Patterico's Pontifications

5/23/2012

Well . . .

Filed under: Brad Friedman,Brett Kimberlin,General,Neal Rauhauser,Ron Brynaert — Patterico @ 9:45 pm

. . . it looks like we’re all pretty much undeterred and focused on telling the truth. Harassment notwithstanding.

Fancy that.

Friday’s the blogburst. I plan to contribute in a major way.

Did I say major?

Yeah. Major.

In the meantime, who knows what tomorrow may bring in the area of criminal harassment?

89 Responses to “Well . . .”

  1. And, uh . . .

    Ding.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  2. Hey, look. It’s just me! And then there was one.

    And the “one” seems kinda laser-light focused on one particular topic these days.

    Well, guess what? If you’re interested in that topic, you’re in luck. Major freakin’ luck.

    If not, you’ll have to wait a while. In the meantime there are many other blogs in this fine blogosphere to enjoy. I’m kinda without help here, so my topics are limited to what interests me.

    And yet, you know? I feel so totally not without help.

    Kinda nice, that.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  3. Pat: you has e-mail traffic, offering what help i could.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  4. Friday I’m a be in Boise, which is in Idaho, which is far

    but I’m a check in from me hotel

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  5. Praying…
    That’s the help I can give, and it’s ongoing…
    Everyone please be careful and stay safe…

    Sue (0b79ba)

  6. Sounds scary. I’m sure you know what your doing, but I’m nearby if help is needed.

    LASue (ba1869)

  7. Brett Kimberlin seems like a read dick.

    Random (fba0b1)

  8. As others are saying, Patterico:

    http://youtu.be/Jmg86CRBBtw

    Simon Jester (5a80f4)

  9. Keep the Faith.

    mg (44de53)

  10. Boise was a nice town, when i was there around the turn of the century…

    i hope success hasn’t ruined it.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  11. The topic is hitting all the major conservative bloggers.

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  12. His attempts to silence a few have led to the shouting of many.

    Keep the faith.

    Dustin (330eed)

  13. I am beginning to suspect that Brett Kimberlin and their crew doesn’t understand the internet.

    Just a hunch…

    Aaron "Worthing" (73a7ea)

  14. Wonder if all of this is going to his head and he’s getting some sort of “Jessie James” complex or something.

    crosspatch (6adcc9)

  15. And remember: Google is forever.

    Kevin M (bf8ad7)

  16. Looks like Brett is going to be filing lots of lawsuits after this Friday.

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  17. I can’t wait to read what you have Patterico.

    Ipso Fatso (7434b9)

  18. for Brett Kimberlin
    an epitaph is written
    “I Work Here is Dun”

    Colonel Haiku (09eba7)

  19. All this proves to me is that sometimes violence is the answer.
    .
    .
    .
    .
    But this is what a “law and order society” descend into. Using the lawsuit (indictment) as a battering ram to get what one wants regardless of truth or justice.

    Bill (cd1593)

  20. Domestic terrorism, pure and simple.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  21. A weakness of our system is that if one has enough funding, you can hire lawyers to do stuff without any reasonable foundation that defendants and courts need to deal with instead of ignore. Drying up the funding sources by appeal to the truth seems like a good answer to this.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  22. I’m staying through Sunday Mr. red since it’s so unlikely I’m ever gonna get back there… they have a large basque community there what is very community-minded and I’m very excited to see what that’s all about, plus it just seems like a neat place

    plus I’m packing super light so I can buy stuff what I don’t have to pay california sales tax on

    that’s always a treat for me

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  23. I’m no blogger, but for the first time I wish I were just so I could pitch in to nail these loathsome characters. Can’t wait for Pat’s story.

    radar (257ad5)

  24. Chris Muir Day by Day cartoon mentioning this.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  25. Patterico,

    Your response to this abuse and harassment – and the general, concerted response to this abuse and harassment – has been admirable. The concerted response in particular has been eye-opening.

    Kudos to A.W. for kicking this off, to you for implementing Laser-like Focus Protocol, and to the wider community for backing you up. I hope you lay a whuppin’ on these guys, in whatever arena they’re dumb enough to step into.

    Leviticus (e445f5)

  26. Bill,

    Ace has suggested responding to this by pushing for reforms to Maryland law. That’s a great place to direct energy. I would also like to see MD authorities do something, but we’re powerless as far as that goes. Push them to do the right thing and I suspect it won’t be very productive. I can only hope they organically wake up before things escalate beyond lawfare.

    Brett’s argument is that he’s being threatened and thus our free speech needs to be restricted. Even though he is infuriating, please don’t make comments suggesting violence is the answer. It’s not. The problem is systemic to the Maryland legal system and also the lack of willpower and diligence on the part of Maryland’s law enforcement. Until those problems are addresses, people like Brett will abuse the process.

    This story is a lot bigger than Brett, in my opinion, anyway.

    Dustin (330eed)

  27. What he said. Leviticus #26.

    Anita Busch (a025dd)

  28. I endorse Leviticus’ comment, too. I’m also anxious to read Patterico’s post to learn everything that happened to him, his family, and others. Sunlight really is the best disinfectant.

    The only negative is that it will undoubtedly be a disturbing tale that I hate to see happen to anyone, but especially to someone I admire and like as much as Patterico.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  29. Dustin and others–

    While Maryland is the state in the current spotlight and appears to have many systemic problems, it is important to keep in mind that individual law enforcement personnel, and people in the judicial system everywhere are not themselves immune to intimidation tactics by bad guys (as Patterico has found.). Some people are more prone under pressure to cave and ignore things than others, and some are less brave than others with respect to doing their jobs and standing for what’s right.

    The Chicago police who wore their badge numbers and name plates in public during encounters with NATO protesters are another case in point-(while the violence-inciting black bloc hid inside the crowd and covered their own faces with masks and bandannas). The Chicago police chief reported on Tuesday that the wife of a high ranking officer who had been videoed directing things on the front lines received a telephone call from an anonymous person who told her that her husband had just been shot dead and that she was next. Of course he had not been shot dead as she soon found out, but now many minutes of hell did she endure in the meantime, and how scary it must be for them to know they are being targeted.

    elissa (35e94b)

  30. That’s a sad but intelligent observation, Elissa.

    I pray that is not the issue here, however it’s true that police said they found Brett planning attacks on law enforcement in the past and he did set a bomb on a police car. If the prosecutor in this case did decide to press charges (and he has very substantial evidence that would justify it), he would be attacked by Brett. I have no doubt about that.

    Your story of the wife learning from a phone hoaxer her husband was murdered is frankly not that far from what’s been going on in this case.

    I do not envy those in law enforcement whose responsibility it is to give Brett his day in court, but imagine what it’s like for those who aren’t in law enforcement and engage Brett with the truth. This is a task that bloggers and commenters and tweeters are poorly equipped for, and knowing that the prosecutor has the evidence to do something, but hasn’t, is difficult for me to accept. And that’s just one case. There is another, and it’s even more frustrating.

    Dustin (330eed)

  31. Here’s Patterico’s resident hammer troll: Is there any possibility that this will translate to acta non verba ?

    nk (875f57)

  32. NK – what deeds exactly do you mean?

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  33. Anyhow, had a chance to pore over Singer’s book.
    BK’s tells – the WAY he lies, how he reacts when caught, confronted or suspected, or trying to prevent others believing it is exactly the same. THe playacting is the same. The methods of lying are the same. The slip-ups are the same, the whines,the sneaky boasts he can’t resist slipping in accidentally on purpose. He’s actually a terrible liar.

    It was really freaky, man; I have to say. I think it took some time and cross referencing before Singer flunked him on the Voight-Kampff test.

    The Barton story is a microcosm of what he is now. In fact, I think his fascination with peace orders begins with Barton/scyphers plans to cut him off from her daughter.

    Maybe that’s what I’ll write about tonight. I feel tapped out on
    the big picture. I’m thinking other people will have that down.

    Sarahw (b0e533)

  34. Well, guess what? If you’re interested in that topic, you’re in luck. Major freakin’ luck.

    I am so ready for this. What a nightmare. It’s got to feel good for all the victims of these thugs to get the story out.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  35. Sarah – does it say how he ends up getting caught? Does it give clues as to how he finally slips up? Perhaps we can use that info to our collective advantage.

    The blog that looks on first glance as Mike Stacks (The crying wolfe) has decided I must be probed for amateur google sleuthing and reading his own archives. He says he was attacked by me. Crazy train. Makes me think it’s a fake site run by Ron to out folks over here. Anyway, can’t hardly wait for tomorrow. Big Day.

    Elle (a745d4)

  36. Elle- if I understand your question correctly, the newspaper site for the Indianapolis Star is a treasure trove of both contemporary and followup news stories about the old crimes and victims and punishment. You might find some of the info you seek there –in safety and without bias.

    elissa (35e94b)

  37. Deep breath.

    My best to you Patterico, and to AW. To all of you.

    MayBee (6fd0ce)

  38. Thank you Elissa.

    Elle (a745d4)

  39. Not to make light of maybe being sued by Kimberlin, but I found some humor in the information on his site about this. He refers to the “prestigous firm” of Leiderman and Devine.

    In looking them up, it looks pretty much like two guys who went to Univ. of San Franciso Law School together and graduated in 1999, who have now hired one associate who went to the Ventura College of Law.

    One guy is listed as the “Managing Partner and Head of the Business Law Department.”

    Pretty impressive title for a 2 partner firm with one associate.

    I guess the other parnter would be succintly described as “Not”.

    Their vanity stories listed on their Attorney pages are pretty funny too. Didn’t know you could write that much about not very much at all.

    shipwreckedcrew (fe3b5b)

  40. it looks like we’re all pretty much undeterred and focused on telling the truth. Harassment notwithstanding.

    The problem probably came from the lawyers and the insurance companies. If something happened, maybe Aaron’s employer could be accused of negligence. The law is not like that, but an insurance company could settle and raise premiums.

    There is almost no otehr way to understand the reaction of Aaron’s employer. Of course there is also Kimberlin’s lying.

    Did somebody supply an argument to the employer?

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  41. The Ventura College of Law ? Bwaahaaahaaa.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  42. Comment by Aaron “Worthing” — 5/23/2012 @ 11:34 pm

    I am beginning to suspect that Brett Kimberlin and their crew doesn’t understand the internet.

    Just a hunch…

    The Internet is basically after their time.

    They also failed to take into account video cameras in courthouses.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  43. Didn’t know you could write that much about not very much at all. – shipwreckedcrew

    Maybe Bill Ayers helped them with their website. Bombers, would-be bombers, and friends of bombers all in league.
    (hint, for legal reference, not a serious allegation that Bill Ayers has anything to do with this.)

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  44. That’s not far from th truth, Antoni Negri, one of the major figures behind the Brigatte Rossi, reinvented himself as one of the leading inspirations for the anti globalist movement.

    narciso (1c125b)

  45. Leiderman also has a few fibs on his Attorney Bio page — maybe its just outdated, but he claims he is one of only 2 certified criminal law specialists in Ventura County. In fact, there are 7. I’m pretty sure there are more than the 335 state wide that he claims, and while he describes the group as “small and elite”, the fact is that you get that designation by being willing to take a pretty simple test and pay the State Bar an extra $360 a year to call yourself that.

    shipwreckedcrew (fe3b5b)

  46. Comment by shipwreckedcrew — 5/24/2012 @ 2:05 pm

    No besmirching of a small firm; that means little. – but the puffery is hilarious

    SarahW (b0e533)

  47. 35 Well, guess what? If you’re interested in that topic, you’re in luck. Major freakin’ luck.

    I am so ready for this. What a nightmare. It’s got to feel good for all the victims of these thugs to get the story out.

    Comment by Noodles — 5/24/2012 @ 11:40 am

    Noodles, were you specifically referring to the Barton/scyphers topic? Are you @noodlespool on the twitter?

    SarahW (b0e533)

  48. shipwreckedcrew–is there any mention in his bio about being Cherokee?

    elissa (35e94b)

  49. Or born in Kenya?

    JD (318f81)

  50. No elissa he is probably Creek Creep.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  51. I see they are all about the medical marijuana.

    Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for it, but its an unusual practice focus.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  52. We fight the man for you!

    https://twitter.com/#!/leidermandevine

    Behold le Twitter stream

    SarahW (b0e533)

  53. I guess you have to paste it.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  54. Spuds McFeets – Are those Basque Separatists in Hidey Ho? Learn some good Basque curses while you are there.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  55. @ Sarah #48 Oh, now I see what the confusion was about. No, just everyone he has effected in general, like Aaron, Patterico, Mike, Seth, etc.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  56. @ Sarah Oh, now I see what the confusion was about. No, just everyone he has effected in general, like Aaron, Patterico, Mike, Seth, etc.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  57. Those are some elite Occupy, anonymous and marijuana tweets

    SarahW (b0e533)

  58. I see, Noodles. I was going to defer any attempt to comment on that part of story if persons involved were giving that information.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  59. I thought you sent Dms to the wrong person. Okay, good. I was thinking “this is getting really strange”. =]

    *sorry about the double post above I thought it was caught in a filter or something.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  60. Mah hopes wuz razed

    “If you’re interested in that topic, you’re in luck. Major freakin’ luck.”

    SarahW (b0e533)

  61. @62 That was P’s quote and I was just underlining it because I am ready to read all about it.

    Noodles (3681c4)

  62. I see now it’s a quote. It has an indent.

    SarahW (b0e533)

  63. happyfeet #23 and daleyrocks #56 – I just hope that Mr Feets is careful only to go into buildings with at least two doors …

    After all, everyone knows … it’s not a good idea to have all your Basques ‘n one exit …

    (innocent light-relief smile)

    Alasdair (e7cb73)

  64. shipwreckedcrew, best criminal defense attorney I know in Ventura, made new law in DUI defense in California, is not among those seven. So you can guess what I think of those meaningless certs.

    SPQR (9d1457)

  65. just don’t be ba-a-a-a-a-d feets
    them Basque fellers may grab you
    bite yer sack and spit

    Colonel Haiku (299bb6)

  66. Looks like Brett is going to be filing lots of lawsuits after this Friday.

    Comment by Dave Surls

    Seriously, where does he find the time? And how does he get all that time off?

    While I have no blog, I’m happy to cheer everyone else on.

    Go, Patterico! Ace! R.S. McCain! Michelle Malkin! Aaron “Worthing”!

    You’re great, and I admire you.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  67. #52

    Lots of cash seems to be floating around in medical marijuana cases

    SteveG (831214)

  68. 13.I am beginning to suspect that Brett Kimberlin and their crew doesn’t understand the internet.

    Just a hunch…

    I find it highly amusing and appropriate that Barbara Streisand is one of this jerk’s major contributors, as he seems to have provoked a bit of a “Streisand effect.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

    Major Kong (f4574f)

  69. hah Mr. Alasair – I am loving Boise so much it is very special and magical and warm and friendly and sweet and beautiful, just like America is supposed to be yet too often is not

    In the mountains, there you feel free.

    happyfeet (2e5d84)

  70. “In the mountains, there you feel free.”

    Spuds McFeets – Watch out for the other side of those mountains. You know what they say.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  71. Mr. daley my side of the mountain was my favorite book when I was a wee small child I have a copy in my living room at home even… btw I’m a do Basque-ness tomorrow night – first I go to dinner at a wild-caught fish place, which is very Idaho but not Basque – then I go to the Basque gin distillery – they also make vodka –

    Saturday morning is more Basque-ness cause at 11:00 beef tongue day starts at this other Basque place

    then I will do the whole “Basque Block,” and dinner will be at another Basque place

    also there’s an anime convention I’m a duck into, which is not a Basque thing per se

    hopefully the foods of the Basque people aren’t ridiculously carb-laden

    happyfeet (2e5d84)

  72. happyfeet, you do know what they use to make gin, and wodka right?

    elissa (35e94b)

  73. potatoes on the last, right, among other elements,

    narciso (1c125b)

  74. happyfeet, would you like some ETA 6 slogans for you to shout at the restaurants?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Yes, narciso, grains and potatoes. Gin and vodka are all about carbs carbs carbs carbs carbs. Mr. Feets gave up tasty pancakes on account of too many carbs so he’s committed. But I am very afraid of what will happen to him at the distillery. Very worried.

    elissa (35e94b)

  76. ohnoes

    I will be very disciplined but it would be rude not to sample

    the ETA is sorta the wile e coyote of terrorism, no?

    happyfeet (2e5d84)

  77. A single 1-oz. serving of vodka without ice contains 64 calories and zero fat or carbohydrates. Fat and carbs are absent from vodka due to the distilling process.

    how cool is that?

    happyfeet (2e5d84)

  78. “first I go to dinner at a wild-caught fish place”

    Mr. Feets – Wait, you hafta catch ur own fish if ur gonna eat?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  79. Pretty sure the fact and carbs remain the same whether or not they put ice in it, feets.

    Dustin (330eed)

  80. *fat

    Dustin (330eed)

  81. If you’re a Twitter addict (guilty!) you know what the teenyboppers (or publicists posing as pubescent girls) do to promote their favorite flavors of the month: They pick a phrase to tweet until it shows up in Trending Topics Worldwide.

    When a celebrity from years past dies (for instance, Robin Gibb), people will be curious about who the deceased is and what s/he is famous for. Sometimes, someone will pretend that a celebrity has passed away to see the reaction it causes, and it feeds on itself for an hour or so. My idea is to come up with a phrase about Kimberlin to repeatedly tweet to make him a Trending Topic, which will bring attention to links to who he is, what’s he’s done, and what he’s doing.

    As tempting as it is to make that phrase “RIP Brett Kimberlin,” I wouldn’t recommend it. That might be interpreted as a threat.

    L.N. Smithee (3bd48c)

  82. I like that you aren’t letting Friedman and Rauhauser off the hook – most are just concentrating on Kimberlin. It’s like speaking out against Hitler but ignoring Himmler and Goebbels.

    Estragon (ec6a4b)

  83. Patrick, I am glad you and fellow bloggers have finally thrown down the gauntlet on this pond scum. I believe Lee when he says Kimberlin is very, very dangerous, not just in the legal sense, so you and your family are in my prayers. I have a suspicion that what you post tomorrow will make my skin crawl. Take care.

    sybilll (b5a8a4)

  84. I like that you aren’t letting Friedman and Rauhauser off the hook – most are just concentrating on Kimberlin. It’s like speaking out against Hitler but ignoring Himmler and Goebbels.

    Kimberlin has not acted alone.

    Patterico (feda6b)

  85. good tip about the ice Mr. Dustin Mr. daley everyone here either fishes or does whitewater rafting and for they all make a point of looking like they’re keen on the outdoorsyness except for the people in town for the anime convention, who mostly look like tattooed furries from space

    happyfeet (2e5d84)

  86. “except for the people in town for the anime convention, who mostly look like tattooed furries from space”

    Mr. Feets – I would not be rude and assume each every one of those people are in town for a convention. It could be some kind of a Basque sex fetish or they might be avatars.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. “they all make a point of looking like they’re keen on the outdoorsyness”

    Mr. Feets – The outdoors scares a lot of people. It gets dark and there are animals and strange noises.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


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