Patterico's Pontifications

12/19/2011

Major Boo-Hooing Over Kim Jong Il

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:38 pm



Via Hot Air, it’s North Koreans apparently going nuts with grief over the death of the guy who starved a bunch of them:

What causes such an outpouring of wailing? Is it that the totalitarian regime really successfully managed to brainwash all these people? Is it the awareness that they’re being filmed and that they had best show the tears or get killed? Did someone just tell them Ron Paul is favored to win the Iowa caucus?

In any event, the next guy shows every sign of being a puppy-torturing whack job. Better, once he gets in power he’ll have to engage in some major show of force to show he has Daddy’s Balls of Brass. Think missile launch at a minimum.

Never fear, however. Barack will put him in his place.

77 Responses to “Major Boo-Hooing Over Kim Jong Il”

  1. Never fear, however. Barack will put him in his place.

    Do you mean the White Hosue?

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  2. Heh.

    Patterico (f724ca)

  3. I notice these people are neatly lined up in ranks to express their grief. It’s almost as if — you know — they were instructed where to stand and how to grieve.

    But that could never happen in a People’s Republic, could it?

    navyvet (0204f3)

  4. if our president died here in America I wouldn’t act like those people

    I would act differently

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  5. it’s neat how in North Korea there’s never any smog

    good on them

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  6. ______________________________________________

    What causes such an outpouring of wailing?

    If they were normal people, one would assume it was crocodile tears streaming from their eyes. But since we’re dealing with ultra-leftists in an ultra-leftist land, politics in their mind is better than traditional religion, ideology is better than theology, and a politician is better than a deity.

    Dial it down a few notches, and you have the specter of, say, Al Gore (one of the many semi-holy figureheads in places like Manhattan, SF and Hollywood) and the emotions of his devotees, prostrating themselves in front of, and wailing about, the cause of global warming.

    Yea, there are rightwing variations of the same thing, but more folks of conservative bent have not just the halls of government and the people inside those places to genuflect in front of or fuss over. They also have churches, temples or synagogues to occupy their time and mind.

    Mark (411533)

  7. That sounds like something a cocksucker would say Crappy.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  8. The best thing is that despite Li’l Kim’s attempts to glorify himself, history at large will still know him best as a lisping, singing marionette in a Trey Parker movie.

    No amount of weeping will change that.

    LYT (191703)

  9. Wider angle shot shows secret police with truncheons behind grieving crowd, mysteriously not grieving.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  10. I’am not a big fan of Mitt Romney but if mormons were so awful as presidents why would you leftys vote for Harry Reid.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  11. this is one of those people where even average leftists here in America are glad this guy is dead

    and not just cause he made them look bad

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  12. North Korea now is how it was 2,000 years ago. Only the labels have changed. An emperor, with multiple wives, and tiers of concubines, supported by a bureaucracy, a personal military and police, and feudal lords in charge of the general armed forces and regional governance. All elevated, demoted, exiled or executed at his whim. The population little more than slaves.

    The public expression of grief may well be crocodile tears but it is traditional including the orderly manner in which the mourners line up. In former days they would all be dressed in white rags, the traditional mourning clothes. We may see that on the higher ranking attendees at the funeral.

    nk (1346e5)

  13. other things what are just like they were 2,000 years ago are include plankton, most of Australia, the Moon, and Andrea Mitchell

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  14. ______________________________________________

    where even average leftists here in America are glad this guy is dead

    But I bet a good portion of them are less glad by that than they were by, as one example, the end of apartheid in South Africa. IOW, think of all the liberals who would perceive the following as less controversial or foolish than if the scenario involved a special visit to South Africa over 15 years ago.

    nytimes.com, February 26, 2008

    …North Korea presented a lavish welcome on Monday to its latest visiting delegation, the New York Philharmonic: a gala performance of traditional music and dance, and an endless banquet with quail eggs, roast mutton and pheasant-ball soup.

    …[T]he orchestra’s heavily choreographed visit — to include master classes, tours of the town and a concert on Tuesday night — is the first hint of a broader thaw in a half-century-long cultural standoff.

    The North Koreans opened the door to some 400 people, the largest contingent of Americans to visit this isolated, totalitarian state since the Korean War ended in 1953. The group includes musicians, orchestra staff, television production crews and 80 journalists, as well as patrons who paid $100,000 a couple.

    The Bush administration has kept its distance from the event. Condoleezza Rice, the secretary of state, visited Seoul on Monday for South Korea’s presidential inauguration, but said she had no plans to come to Pyongyang and sought to play down the performance as a diplomatic instrument.

    Whatever the political results, the visit will take its place with other orchestral diplomacy, including the Philadelphia Orchestra’s concert in China in 1973 and the Boston Symphony’s triumphant appearance in the Soviet Union in 1956. The New York Philharmonic also visited the Soviet Union in 1959.

    ^ Limousine liberals — certainly in places like New York City — truly must have been the type that Lenin had in mind when he supposedly said “the capitalists will sell us the rope with which we will hang them.”

    Now with various folks on the left also getting soft and gushy over the rise of Islamic fanaticism — because in their eyes it involves sad, pitiful, noble people from the Third World or Emerging World!!! — they truly are nitwits when it comes to BOTH ends of the cuckoo-fanatic meter.

    Mark (411533)

  15. happyfeet,

    If I may say so, “Sir, you are indeed a delight”.

    As for poor Andrea Mitchell, waking up next to Allen Greenspan …? I give her the benefit of having already transversed most of Purgatory.

    nk (1346e5)

  16. Hey, Look over there, The Beatles.

    Simple: Cry OR Die

    PC14 (738e3d)

  17. If the left really cared about oppression, the whole OWS bunch would be screaming about the North Korean government.

    That would be hard, though. It’s a lot easier to protest in countries that, you know, let you protest.

    Ag80 (866cca)

  18. The nomenklatura, which is what most of these “mourners” probably are, are so dependant upon the structure of the state as embodied in Dear Leader, that they can seem to be completely “at sea” at the thought that he is no longer available to provide them guidance.
    It is the “Stockholm Syndrome” writ large.
    Not only are they not able to take a dump without instructions, they most likely are scared to attempt it without permission.

    AD-RtR/OS! (dadeb3)

  19. AD,

    Believe or not in the Ripley sense, under neo-Confucianism which was imported into Korea (then Chosun) there was a prescribed way on how to take a dump.

    nk (1346e5)

  20. “Now with various folks on the left also getting soft and gushy over the rise of Islamic fanaticism — because in their eyes it involves sad, pitiful, noble people from the Third World or Emerging World!!! — they truly are nitwits when it comes to BOTH ends of the cuckoo-fanatic meter.”

    Mark – In the 1980s our leftist elite all had pet agrarian reformers (read murdering communist scum) to trot out on the cocktail circuit. The useful idiots don’t change, only their causes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  21. There is a prescribed way on how to take a dump in Islam as well and there is at least one documented story of American and Turkish POWs getting into fights over it in North Korean prison camps where they had to share latrines.

    nk (1346e5)

  22. Dohbiden – speaking as a lefty I would never vote Harry Reid as president and I doubt most people would either.

    Ag80 -“If the left really cared about oppression, the whole OWS bunch would be screaming about the North Korean government.”

    Why? Nobody here is able to do anything about it. Seriously. There’s nothing to be gained from a war with North Korea, and China would put the kibosh on it. Both GWB and Clinton got nothing done in this area.

    Give a realistic proposal on what can be done. Covert ops? Guarantee you that’s happening to the extent possible. Overt policies? What’s the upside? We can’t exactly threaten to nuke them, as radiation from that would harm South Korea pretty badly too.

    What are our realpolitik options?

    LYT (191703)

  23. How about putting all your energy against Wall Street into actually protesting something that matters?

    Thousands of people starve in North Korea every year. But, you don’t care. You just want to make sure some rich guy is bothered. Your only response is, well, we can’t do anything about it, so those people should die?

    If your voice is so strong, make a difference. If the world really cared about poverty and children, it would be doing everything it can to alleviate the problems.

    But, that would be imperialism and subjecting cultures to our misguided political system.

    I tell you what, defund the useless UN. It’s only point is to criticize Israel.

    Set up an OWS camp at the border on the DMZ between the Koreas. Decry the useless fools of Chavez, Castro, Assad and the military in Egypt.

    If you really care about democracy, support it.

    But you don’t. You want a safe, secure world where the latest version of whatever government program you support makes you feel good about yourself and your friends.

    Doing the hard work of creating your ipad and your yogurt and your car and your home and your food is too much to ask. And teaching others how to do the same is too much to be bothered about.

    And caring enough to feed a baby is above your pay-grade. All because some rich guy gets to eat steak while you eat bologna.

    Jerk.

    Ag80 (866cca)

  24. I’m with LYT. Ain’t nothing serious gonna come out of North Korea because none of those bastards wanna take a cyanide pill in a bunker.

    Just like the USSR. Reagan had the Brezhnevistas down pat. He did not threaten MAD. He threatened them losing their dachas.

    nk (1346e5)

  25. Seriously?

    Ag80 (866cca)

  26. other things what are just like they were 2,000 years ago are include plankton, most of Australia, the Moon, and Andrea Mitchell

    — Mr feets, you owe me a new iPhone!

    And a replacement for the Diet Pepsi what just got spritzed all over it.

    Icy (b15d2e)

  27. I’m with Ag80. It’s the Homer Simpson’s (“Yeah, but what are ya gonna do?”) and Ron Paul’s of this world that allow longstanding problems to fester. No, everything cannot be fixed, but NOTHING gets fixed when all you do is sit on your ass complaining about how lousy things are!

    Icy (b15d2e)

  28. To answer Pat’s question, it’s the brainwashing — all the way.

    Icy (b15d2e)

  29. When the Koreas are finally reunited in freedome, it will be simple to sort out the criminals from the victims: who is starving and who is well-fed.

    These folks look well-fed.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  30. O’Brien: Tell me, Winston – and remember, no lies – what are your feelings towards Big Brother?
    Winston Smith: I hate him.
    O’Brien: You must love him. It is not enough to obey him. You must love him.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  31. What are they crying for?

    Don’t they realize a commie just croaked???

    Dave Surls (46b08c)

  32. Will they bury this turd in s. korea?

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  33. I don’t think I saw this in the comments, but keeep in mind that the common North Korean does not have free press – nor do they have access to the internet where they could have known ahead of time that their leader had been ill for a long, long time. I imagine this had the same unexpected effect on them as any sudden death would have.

    Brotherico (5ea774)

  34. They are not so far removed from some elements here;

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/12/potus-has-coffee-with-progressive-media-stars/

    narciso (87e966)

  35. Consider the risk reward analysis these people must make.

    Case 1: if the new regime is democratic and freedom blooms like a flower then there is no risk in a bit of fake wailing.

    Case 2: if the new regime is like the last one, they will comb through every video from every newscast, every security cam, every international report and the entire internet and kill everybody who failed to wail. The smallest smile will lead to torture before death. A big smile will lead to the wife and kiddies getting the .22 to the back of the head as well.

    What would you do?

    Fred Z (cd57b8)

  36. @ Brotherico,

    but keeep in mind that the common North Korean does not have free press – nor do they have access to the internet where they could have known ahead of time that their leader had been ill for a long, long time. I imagine this had the same unexpected effect on them as any sudden death would have.

    Very good point. Combine the shock of discovering that he had been ill and subsequently passed away with their standard required meek submissiveness and the wailing makes sense. An extreme lifetime of Stockholm Syndrome run amok.

    Again, these are a people who are ill prepared to live independently of a supreme leader directing their every move while simultaneously knowing that consequences for disobedience being swift and severe. These are not an independent minded people familiar with the concept of acting independently in freedom – whether individually or collectively. They must feel at a complete loss. Also, those younger population has known nothing but his totalitarian leadership. This is “normal” for them.

    The thoughts of this are so antithetical to life in America, it’s hard to understand that this public boo-hooing could be very sincere. Which again points to the sickness of their mindset. Dear Leader….

    Dana (4eca6e)

  37. John Bolton has an interesting look at who the real successor might be… and confirms that it is the military that holds the real power. In any case, the chubby third son may not be accepted as next ruler,

    There is no reason whatever to believe that opinion among the military leadership will be unanimous, either to support or oppose the regime’s succession plan. In fact, the early reports are that Kim Jong Il’s death went undisclosed publicly for days, perhaps indicating a power struggle already under way. Many generals may simply not accept that Leader 3.0 is competent or merits their support.

    Also, Bolton posits that the South Korean activists might be ready to make a move as this could be their long-awaited for opportunity,

    Moreover, North Korea’s civilians are not, despite decades of effort by Pyongyang, totally ignorant about conditions outside the hermetic state. Already desperately impoverished and hungry, they may well decide at the first signs of regime collapse, or even before, that their moment is at hand. Aided by South Korean activists, they could begin moving north toward the Yalu River border with China or south to the Demilitarized Zone (DMZ), which has divided North from South since the 1953 Korean War Armistice Agreement.

    South Korean authorities, together with the nearly 30,000 U.S. forces there, have long prepared for the contingency of massive refugee flows toward the DMZ. They also have plans for entering North Korea in force on extremely short notice, to prevent massive instability, to secure the nuclear weapons, and to control the DMZ.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  38. Netflix has available for streaming a National Geographic special in which Lisa Ling brings an undercover camera in to North Korea.

    I cannot recommend it enough.

    MayBee (081489)

  39. We only know what we’re told.

    Amphipolis (b120ce)

  40. this is one of those people where even average leftists here in America are glad this guy is dead

    and not just cause he made them look bad

    Comment by happyfeet — 12/19/2011 @ 8:50 pm

    The left probably defines Kim as a right winger in their typical Orwellian use of language. I recall after the fall of the Soviet Union the people who wanted to restore Communism were called right wingers.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  41. If Obama is re-elected, expect Kim Jong Jung to sleep in the Lincoln bedroom.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  42. There are a few accounts of North Koreans who leave the country for various reasons and often hold some tremendously paranoid views about modern Japan and the USA.

    So there’s definitely successful brainwashing. On the other hand, this brainwashing is reinforced. The sense of dread when knowing the North Korean government is watching you and expecting you to display mourning has to be quite powerful.

    My guess is a lot of people there are afraid to express opinions that most of them share. Their brainwashing isn’t powerful enough that they don’t realize their society is being run into the ground (actually subterranean at this point).

    Anyway, when I was up there, estimates were that a conflict between November and February would result in 50,000+ deaths in the first day (during those months, it’s strategically easier for the North Koreans as the land is firmer). I don’t know how much that’s changed in the past several years.

    They say the military is really starting to feel the effects of their collapse, but technology has improved.

    Anyway, I agree with Patterico that Kim 3.0 will show some force soon, and I’m afraid the last few rounds of saber rattling show how we (won’t) respond.

    You know who (cb3719)

  43. Sloe-Joe just bought a new case of lip-balm to keep his lips ass-kissing soft.

    AD-RtR/OS! (1e1a0b)

  44. Maybe the ROK should offer Kim 3.0 a decadent lifestyle at a resort somewhere if he hands control of his government to the UN.

    The guy is an absolute glutton, so I wonder if he’d rather just live out his life that way.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  45. Whether they are brainwashed or not, whatever they think internally, everybody acts the same way. At least those in public.

    Some people who were young at the time Stalin died have written taht they genuinely mourned. They just didn’t know better.

    This amounmt of wailing is actually itself testimony as how bad the North Korean regime is.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  46. Nobody seems to be lamenting the death harder, by the way, than our State Department, which is all worried about what’s going to happen next.

    http://www.voanews.com/english/news/World-Reacts-To-Kim-Jong-Il-Death-135844653.html

    .S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and her Japanese counterpart, Foreign Minister Koichiro Gemba, on Monday urged a peaceful transition in North Korea following the death of North Korean leader Kim Jong Il. The development has delayed a U.S. decision on whether to provide new food aid to North Korea.

    The meeting, held on Foreign Minister Gemba’s first Washington trip since taking office three months ago, was planned long before the announcement from Pyongyang.

    But the death of Kim Jong Il dominated the discussion, with Clinton emerging to express hope that the transition underway in North Korea does not lead to regional turmoil.

    The big problem is that this won’t lead to enough instability.

    Instability in North Korea is what anybody who cares about human beings should hope for! But it’s Chicken Kiev all over again.

    They admit they actually know nothing about what’s going on North Korea. They are all worried I suppose, in a superstitious sort of way, because they have nothing more than that to go on, that somebody is going to take it into his head to explode some of the nuclear weapons over a populated area, or at least use artillery on Seoul.

    There may be a small risk of that – there is a much greater chance of some improvement for some people and there was a greater risk also if Kim Jong Il had lived.

    But this comes from the idea that use of nuclear weapons, or the start of a war, could only be the result of a miscalculation and inexperienced people miscalculate more.
    ,
    Why all the fear and not any hope?

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  47. Comment by Dana — 12/20/2011 @ 7:40 am

    John Bolton has an interesting look at who the real successor might be… and confirms that it is the military that holds the real power. In any case, the chubby third son may not be accepted as next ruler,

    You know, I really can’t bring myself to believe that Nrth Korea is independent of China. their militaries are intertwined.

    I’m not sure Kim Jong Un could be even a credible figurehead. The country is probably really being run by the People’s Liberation Army of China. MAYBE HAS BEEN FOR YEARS.

    That goes especially for its foreign policy and nuclear proliferation.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  48. NYT: In Kim’s Death, an Extensive Intelligence Failure

    It’s all Scooter Libby’s fault for outing Valerie and forcing her to retire.

    AD-RtR/OS! (1e1a0b)

  49. It definitely makes sense to hold China accountable for North Korea’s behavior, Sammy. The degree of puppet string doesn’t matter because we all know this is their pet, and its creating a tremendous amount of human misery just to keep South Korea and western influences from China’s border.

    This made more sense in the 1980s than it does today. It’s time to pull the plug.

    The scale of human suffering there is hard to describe. The fraction of folks who starved to death (one of the worst deaths). The parents in the gas chambers with their kids, futilely trying to save their kids with CPR.

    This is why I get a little gung ho about outsourcing to China. Which is not really any executive’s fault. It’s America’s choice to consume cheap goods, and that’s where CEOs must go to max out profits (which is their duty).

    It’s not as bad as tolerating slavery, but it’s going to be remembered as a historical travesty.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  50. Comment by Dustin — 12/20/2011 @ 12:11 pm

    It definitely makes sense to hold China accountable for North Korea’s behavior, Sammy

    I know, but how many people understand that. they let China play a sort of shell game. Let them pretend they are trying to influence the government.

    and it’s creating a tremendous amount of human misery just to keep South Korea and western influences from China’s border
    If this is occasioned by China not wanting to have a common border with a free country, the same situation exists now and existed then. They actually had more of land border with a free society then than they do now – with Hong Kong.

    The interesting thing is that the North Koreans Chinese border is more open than the one to South Korea. This may be intentional – China may want people to escape in that direction. Theer’s an awful lot of smuggling and anything that gets into North Korea gets into it from China.

    There are ethnic Koreans in China, and a good number of marriages between refugees (especially women) and people who have alwasys lived north of the Yalu River. Periodically, China threatens to and does send people back, but they don’t want to do it so much that some try escaping directly south. And they don’t want anyone to actually make their way to South Korea, although some defectors do.

    This made more sense in the 1980s than it does today. It’s time to pull the plug.

    What made more sense? Treating North Korea as independent? Back in the 1980’s North Korea had two sponsers: the Soviet Union and the People’s republica of China. now it has only one. It’s always been closer to China anyway. It was the Chinese Army that intervened in 1951. It is a representative of China who is present at Panmunjon.

    China sometimes tolerates dictatorships that are worse than China itself (without trying to modify them.) If it works, it works. If they keep control, they keep control, that’s fine with them. They won’t risk any displeasure. Sometimes their proteges barely know how to run a dictatorship and they wind up killing a lot of people, but they leave good enough alone.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  51. This made more sense in the 1980s than it does today. It’s time to pull the plug.

    The strange cold war era mentality made more sense during the cold war, is what I meant.

    China and the Soviets wanting a front in the cold war to be the DMZ made at least some sense then.

    Now, it’s just pointless.

    Dustin (cb3719)

  52. This it what I imagine the OWS crowd will be like when told they won’t have their student loan debt forgiven.

    …or the Wisconsin Unionistas when Governor Walker wins the recall election.

    Paul (6cb860)

  53. In either case I see a scenario more like the WTO event in Seattle.
    OWS has a strong anarchist base who are not afraid to “act out”.

    AD-RtR/OS! (1e1a0b)

  54. Comment by Paul — 12/20/2011 @ 1:00 pm

    I hope you’re right about the recall. The polls seem to be against him at the moment. I think he has to be on the offensive to have a chance.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  55. Which reminds me….

    China wants to be treated as a Player in world politics, yet its clients are countries like NorK, Burma, Zimbabwe and Sudan, which aspire to be merely shameful.

    Kevin M (563f77)

  56. Biden is a nappy headed politician.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  57. If you oppose the democraps are you really like the Unabomber?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  58. No your not.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  59. NYT: In Kim’s Death, an Extensive Intelligence Failure

    It’s all Scooter Libby’s fault for outing Valerie and forcing her to retire.

    It’s actually all Frank Church’s fault.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  60. I don’t think that what Church did had any impact on our intell ops in NoKor, since we had none in the first place.

    AD-RtR/OS! (1e1a0b)

  61. 1. How do you know what we had?

    2. If he hadn’t castrated the CIA it might one day have established some.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  62. Remember North Korea offered to stop producing nukes.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  63. The left have an extreme love for Obama like fascists did with Hitler.

    B-but Hitler was no socialist he killed socialists /Lefty

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  64. Gorebull Warming isn’t real it is based on faulty science.

    Greenhouse Gases are at it’s lowest rate.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  65. Remember North Korea offered to stop producing nukes.

    So it did. Repeatedly. And Clinton and Carter were fools enough to believe them.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  66. The same trick was pulled in 2007, with the bogus NIE on Iran, that declared they had shut down their nuclear program, some of the top people responsible
    like Van Deepen, were promoted to higher ranks in
    the State Department (as the wikileak on Chinese
    missile proliferation) the full extent of the deception I didn’t know until I read Sanger’s ‘the
    Challenge’

    narciso (87e966)

  67. And I should add, the details of Project 110 and 111, and the director of said project, Fekrazadeh
    came to light, the Times knew all this, or could have waited, Ironically, wikileaks cables showing
    the concerns of the Saud and other emirate princes,
    to the looming threat, proved the point.

    narciso (87e966)

  68. You really think that people have gotten a clue, then this appears;

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/19/vaclav-havel-another-side-to-story

    narciso (87e966)

  69. Havel’s anti-communist critique contained little if any acknowledgement of the positive achievements of the regimes of eastern Europe in the fields of employment, welfare provision, education and women’s rights. Or the fact that communism, for all its faults, was still a system which put the economic needs of the majority first.

    that’s very thought-provoking but the filter won’t let me articulate the thoughts it provokes

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  70. Well I think expressing in Spanish, is the best way, but the gist is !@#$$@%$%# $%^$%^$%&%^*%^*
    !@#!@$#@@%$#^, or ‘things of that nature’

    narciso (87e966)

  71. Just substitute Bonhoeffer for Havel, and “National Socialism” for “Communism” and watch lefty heads explode.

    Milhouse (d7842d)

  72. Remember North Korea offered to stop producing nukes.

    Comment by daleyrocks — 12/20/2011 @ 11:12 pm

    I sure hope the democrats have learned their lesson on this one. But have they? I mean, another accord with the North Koreans could provide a short term boon politically, if our leaders are so shameless as to kick the can down the road.

    Did Clinton and Albright really think North Korea was being honest? Or did they just think this was good politics either way?

    that’s very thought-provoking but the filter won’t let me articulate the thoughts it provokes

    Comment by happyfeet — 12/21/2011 @ 7:50 am

    hahaha

    Dustin (cb3719)

  73. Hillary is going to double-down on kow-towing to the NoKor’s and Kim-3 so as to protect the legacy of Bubba and Half-Bright.

    AD-RtR/OS! (c22768)

  74. 74-…more…
    and the institutional insanity running rampant throughout Foggy Bottom.

    AD-RtR/OS! (c22768)

  75. As has been referenced, I heard that people would need to stand and clap until their hands bled if Stalin did not give permission to stop, so who knows what combination of coercion, Stockholm Syndrome, cultural heritage, and ignorance would lead to such behavior.

    As far as instructions on defecating, I believe in the Old Testament it says to do so “outside the camp” and to cover it up. The reference was in the front-matter of my parasitology book in med school.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)


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