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12/6/2011

Obama embraces liberal fascism in Kansas speech

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 3:00 pm



[Posted by Karl]

As Business Insider reports, President Barack Obama is in Kansas, channeling Teddy Roosevelt with a huge class warfare speech in the same town where T.R. gave his “New Nationalism” speech:

For many years, credit cards and home equity loans papered over the harsh realities of this new economy.  But in 2008, the house of cards collapsed.  We all know the story by now:  Mortgages sold to people who couldn’t afford them, or sometimes even understand them.  Banks and investors allowed to keep packaging the risk and selling it off.  Huge bets – and huge bonuses – made with other people’s money on the line.  Regulators who were supposed to warn us about the dangers of all this, but looked the other way or didn’t have the authority to look at all.

It was wrong.  It combined the breathtaking greed of a few with irresponsibility across the system.  And it plunged our economy and the world into a crisis from which we are still fighting to recover.  It claimed the jobs, homes, and the basic security of millions – innocent, hard-working Americans who had met their responsibilities, but were still left holding the bag.

The crass hypocrisy would be stunning if we had not seen it so many times before.  Team Obama is run and funded by those evil banksters he now condemns, even as they continue through the revolving door between Wall Street and his government.  Could someone read our president Reckless Endangerment?

The authors, Gretchen Morgenson, a Pulitzer Prize-winning business reporter and columnist at The New York Times, and Joshua Rosner, an expert on housing finance, deftly trace the beginnings of the collapse to the mid-1990s, when the Clinton administration called for a partnership between the private sector and Fannie and Freddie to encourage home buying. The mortgage agencies’ government backing was, in effect, a valuable subsidy, which was used by Fannie’s C.E.O., James A. Johnson, to increase home ownership while enriching himself and other executives. A 1996 study by the Congressional Budget Office found that Fannie pocketed about a third of the subsidy rather than passing it on to homeowners. Over his nine years heading Fannie, Johnson personally took home roughly $100 million. His successor, Franklin D. Raines, was treated no less lavishly.

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The authors are at their best demonstrating how the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington facilitated the charade. As Treasury secretary, Robert Rubin, formerly the head of Goldman Sachs, pushed for repeal of the ­Depression-era Glass-Steagall Act that had separated commercial from investment banking — a move that Sanford Weill, the chief executive of Travelers Group had long sought so that Travelers could merge with ­Citibank. After leaving the Treasury, Rubin became Citigroup’s vice chairman, and “over the following decade pocketed more than $100,000,000 as the bank sank deeper and deeper into a risky morass of its own design.” With Rubin’s protégé Timothy F. Geithner as its head, the New York Federal Reserve Bank reduced its oversight of Wall Street.

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Morgenson and Rosner are irked that their key players got away with it. American taxpayers have so far shelled out $153 billion to keep Fannie and Freddie afloat and are still owed tens of billions from bailing out other financial institutions. Yet today James Johnson is a rich and respected member of Washington’s political establishment (although he was forced to resign from President-elect Obama’s advisory team after the press got wind of his cut-rate personal loans from Countrywide). Franklin Raines retired from Fannie with a generous bonus. Henry Paulson became a fellow at Johns Hopkins. Robert Rubin is affiliated with the Brookings Institution. Timothy Geithner remains Treasury secretary.

Could someone fill Obama in on the role of Clinton HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo in plunging Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the subprime markets, or the Fed’s role in dumbing down lending standards

Then there’s Obama’s new love for Teddy Roosevelt:

At the turn of the last century, when a nation of farmers was transitioning to become the world’s industrial giant, we had to decide: would we settle for a country where most of the new railroads and factories were controlled by a few giant monopolies that kept prices high and wages low? Would we allow our citizens and even our children to work ungodly hours in conditions that were unsafe and unsanitary? Would we restrict education to the privileged few? Because some people thought massive inequality and exploitation was just the price of progress.

Theodore Roosevelt disagreed. He was the Republican son of a wealthy family. He praised what the titans of industry had done to create jobs and grow the economy. He believed then what we know is true today: that the free market is the greatest force for economic progress in human history. It’s led to a prosperity and standard of living unmatched by the rest of the world.

But Roosevelt also knew that the free market has never been a free license to take whatever you want from whoever you can. It only works when there are rules of the road to ensure that competition is fair, open, and honest. And so he busted up monopolies, forcing those companies to compete for customers with better services and better prices. And today, they still must. He fought to make sure businesses couldn’t profit by exploiting children, or selling food or medicine that wasn’t safe. And today, they still can’t.

In 1910, Teddy Roosevelt came here, to Osawatomie, and laid out his vision for what he called a New Nationalism. “Our country,” he said, “…means nothing unless it means the triumph of a real democracy…of an economic system under which each man shall be guaranteed the opportunity to show the best that there is in him.”

For this, Roosevelt was called a radical, a socialist, even a communist. But today, we are a richer nation and a stronger democracy because of what he fought for in his last campaign: an eight hour work day and a minimum wage for women; insurance for the unemployed, the elderly, and those with disabilities; political reform and a progressive income tax.

Obama’s embrace of T.R. is unsurprising, given that T.R. was a pioneer of crony capitalism and regulatory capture, even during his supposed trust-busting phase.  Aside from Obama’s obligatory beatdowns of an army of strawmen, Jonah Goldberg further notes in Liberal Fascism that T.R. had abandoned his fondness for trust-busting by the time he ran as a Progressive in 1912: 

Teddy, the famous trustbuster, had resigned himself to “bigness” and now believed the state should use the trusts for its own purposes rather than engage in an endless and fruitless battle to break them up. “The effort at prohibiting all combination has substantially failed,” he explained. “The way out lies, not in attempting to prevent such combinations, but in completely controlling them in the interest of the public welfare.” Teddy’s New Nationalism was equal parts nationalism and socialism. “The New Nationalism,” Roosevelt proclaimed, “rightly maintains that every man holds his property subject to the general right of the community to regulate its use to whatever degree the public welfare may require it.”

Thus, Obama channels the liberal fascism of not only T.R., but also current US Senate candidate Elizabeth Warren (D-MA) whose camaign slogan could be, “All Your Wealth Are Belong To Us.”  Also, note Obama’s identification of T.R. as “the Republican son of a wealthy family,” because I’m sure that’s not a set up for a potential campaign against Mitt Romney. Not at all.  Finally, wasn’t the Frank-Dodd bill he signed into law supposed to have fixed this problem?  If not, can Obama tell us why not?

–Karl

56 Responses to “Obama embraces liberal fascism in Kansas speech”

  1. Ding!

    Karl (f07e38)

  2. Obama’s embrace of T.R. is unsurprising, given that T.R. was a pioneer of crony capitalism and regulatory capture, even during his supposed trust-busting phase.

    ******

    And here is an interesting quote from Newt Gingrich in the Ripon Forum 1989:

    Ripon Forum: But what happens on such issues as urban development, where conservatives historically have opposed government spending? Will the center-right coalition hold? Or will it splinter when more activist, government-oriented solutions are needed?

    Gingrich: There’s going to be a lot of arguing, but I don’t think it will splinter. In Teddy White’s “The Making of The President” from 1960, you will find a description of Theodore Roosevelt and an active conservatism. That is the model I’ve had in my mind for 28 years.

    madawaskan (89a442)

  3. Gingrich is a dumbass.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  4. Rich people should get tax increases……………but doesn’t that include Michael Moore?

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  5. Obots accusing the rich of wanting to wipe out the middle class………..meanwhile small businesses get taxed out of their butt.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  6. High speed rail which nobody will ride is the solution to the unemployment problem our banana republic faces!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  7. Even if we taxed every rich person in the world the middle class would be wiped out in the eventual economic collapse.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  8. Obama has chased more people out of the work force than tertiary syphilis and alcoholism combined

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  9. Record numbers of people have armed themselves during this dolts presiduncy.

    sickofrinos (44de53)

  10. Once again the libturds try and lay the housing failure on republicans, but it was Bwawney Fwanks and the other craphead liberals that insisted that Fannie and Freddie did not need more oversight, after all the evil republicans just wanted to deny minorities a home of their own. I swear that I will blow my left and right balls off before I will ever vote for a demonKKKrap libturd.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  11. Your GOP primary posts are excellent but your Obama posts are epic, Karl. I can’t wait to read your posts when the general election starts.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  12. EPIC!!!

    What’s the matter with Kansas Obama?

    Colonel Haiku (b19539)

  13. Karl, you forgot to mention that Franklin Raines agreed to a give-back on his compensation in the amount of $24.7MM in order to settle the SEC’s action against him.
    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/washbizblog/2008/04/regulator_to_dismiss_charges_a.html

    I guess the statute-of-limitations prevented action against Johnson?

    AD-RtR/OS! (76ba29)

  14. Did I hear Barney Frank’s name in there, anywhere ?

    Mike K (9ebddd)

  15. In Obama’s mind borrowing trillions from China to pay for all this spending is somehow different from all that bad stuff that caused this. It’s as if if some 3rd party is president and he is merely an aggrieved victim.Obama as a memebr of the professionally and perpetually victim class, has internalized victimization to the point that he cannot see he himself is this country’s victimizer. And this is the same man who voted against giving President Bush authorization to raise the debt limit. And at that time, he was right, or at least he told the truth, that borrowing by the feds is out of control, then and now.

    It’s not leadership. The GOP nominee may lose to him, but Obama will never be a leader.

    And if he really cares about the middle class, he could tomorrow approve the Canadain pipline-cheap energy and jobs. And he won’t.

    Bugg (ea1809)

  16. And if Obama wins, he’s going to claim he has a mandate to drive capitalism out of the, um, marketplace.

    Kevin M (4eb9c8)

  17. Actually, borrowing from China is not that big of a deal.
    The #1 holder of U.S. Sovereign Debt today is the Federal Reserve.
    They print it, and then lend it to the Treasury in exchange for bonds, at very favorable rates.
    How long this shell-game can continue is anyone’s guess.

    AD-RtR/OS! (76ba29)

  18. Comment by Kevin M — 12/6/2011 @ 4:33 pm

    Is he going to “drive” it out with a Volt, or one of those jumbo-head, titanium drivers?

    AD-RtR/OS! (76ba29)

  19. Nothing that happened was the result of too little regulation, and nothing that has been enacted since would have made a difference.

    If they REALLY wanted to spend $1 trillion to fix the problem, they would have just paid down all home mortgages by 10% in October of 2008, making the derivative market whole and helping the banks only to the degree that they helped homeowners. But no, they had to target it all at deadbeats and graft. And have a crisis to “manage.”

    Kevin M (4eb9c8)

  20. I think that the Republican Party should send a copy of this speech to their entire mailing list.

    Title: “Why We Fight”

    Kevin M (4eb9c8)

  21. It combined the breathtaking greed of a few with irresponsibility across the system.

    This is the theme of the Obama campaign. Class warfare is a cover up the failings of the Obama economic policies.

    The idiotic Occupy movement was trumped up by the liberal media to be something it wasn’t in order to make people feel that the Republican special interests are to blame.

    One thing is for certain. The economy and unemployment will NOT improve before the election. And Demonizer-in-Chief knows it.

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  22. If we could back to TR’s laws and regulations … I would buy the speech. No IRS, No EPA, No DoEs ….. nice.

    But comparing the need for Government in 1902 to 2012 is rather stupid beyond belief and any rationale human would get that part.

    ODB (dcf97e)

  23. Teddy’s New Nationalism was equal parts nationalism and socialism.

    hmm nationalsozialistische deutsche arbeiterpartei

    newrouter (b9b577)

  24. #22 Also the 1902 Government Budget would be great ….. hey I would even double it on an inflation adjusted basis.

    I think Repub should point this out as the media masturbates to Obama’s folly of comparing himself to a Mt Rushmore figure.

    Obama is an imbecile and a abortive stain on the Republic.

    ODB (dcf97e)

  25. the rich get richer because of the free market…………we buy stuff for these people if you do not like it move to zimbabwe leftys.

    Dohbiden (ef98f0)

  26. Careful! Republican strategists say that there are people out there that feel sorry for the guy.

    Colonel Haiku (b19539)

  27. “Nothing that happened was the result of too little regulation, and nothing that has been enacted since would have made a difference.”

    Kevin M – Other than Fannie and Freddie exceeding the functions set out in their charters I agree.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  28. “Kevin M – Other than Fannie and Freddie exceeding the functions set out in their charters I agree.”

    Plus their fraudulent accounting.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  29. “17.Actually, borrowing from China is not that big of a deal.
    The #1 holder of U.S. Sovereign Debt today is the Federal Reserve.
    They print it, and then lend it to the Treasury in exchange for bonds, at very favorable rates.
    How long this shell-game can continue is anyone’s guess.”

    I’m aware of this. Essentially the USA is paying it’s Mastercard bill with it’s Visa card, and paying that with a check on an overdrawn account. Monetizing the debt is worse than borrowing it. At some point, like Germany past week, investors wills top buying US debt-unless the interest rate the government pays them goes up. Which would be an even worse fiscal disaster. Obama is inviting that right now.

    Bugg (ea1809)

  30. facsism makes the high speed trains run on time

    sometime circa 2042

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  31. He’s not a liberal. He’s a leftist.

    Real liberals are not fascists.

    But leftists are.

    BeeKay (a21afe)

  32. Newt Gingrich: My model and favorite President is Theodore Roosevelt.

    Barack Obama: Me, too!! I don’t have to be one of the standard boilerplate liberal ideologue. I can be a Bull Moose too!!

    My Truman strategy isn’t working. It would work if I faced Dewey maybe, but maybe it turns out I’ll be facing, no no, no, I can’t let Newt Gingrich seize the mantle, I can’t.

    I wanna be Theodore Roosevelt in this election. I must trademark him before Newt does, and then I’ll…I’ll…I’ll – accuse him of trademark infringement!

    http://news.investors.com/Article/593938/201112061842/obama-and-gingrich-channel-teddy-roosevelt.htm?src=HPLNews
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    IBD Editorials

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    Both Obama, Gingrich Show Teddy Roosevelt Some Love

    Posted 06:42 PM ET

    Campaign ’12: Two leading presidential candidates wrap themselves in the legacy of Theodore Roosevelt….

    Sammy Finkelman (853752)

  33. http://web.archive.org/web/20080909224217/http:/www.freddiemac.com/corporate/about/policy/policytalk_gingrich_42407.html

    …So while we need to improve the regulation of the GSEs, I would be very cautious about fundamentally changing their role or the model itself.

    Q: This is not a point of view one normally associates with conservatives.

    Gingrich: Well, it’s not a point of view libertarians would embrace. But I am more in the Alexander Hamilton-Teddy Roosevelt tradition of conservatism. I recognize that there are times when you need government to help spur private enterprise and economic development….

    http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/

    Transcript of Newt Gingrich interview
    Tuesday, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:14 AM EST

    Glenn Beck:….Let’s start with ‑‑ let’s start with a piece of audio here where you were talking about health care and you went down the progressive road with Theodore Roosevelt.

    GINGRICH: And for government to not leave guarantees that you don’t have the ability to change, no private corporation has the purchasing power or the ability to reshape the health system, and in this sense I guess I’m a Theodore Roosevelt Republican. In fact, if I were going to characterize my ‑‑ on health where I come from, I’m a Theodore Roosevelt Republican and I believe government can lean in the regulatory leaning is okay.

    GLENN: Regulation and the government scares the crap out of me and I think most Tea Party kind of leaning conservatives, and Theodore Roosevelt was the guy who started the Progressive Party. How would you characterize your relationship with the progressive ideals of Theodore Roosevelt?

    GINGRICH: Well, that depends on which phase of Roosevelt you’re talking about. The 1912, he’s become a big government, centralized power advocate running an a third party candidate which, for example, Roosevelt advocated the Food and Drug Act after he was eating ‑‑ and this supposedly the story, after he was eating sausage and eggs while reading up to [Upton] Sinclair’s [1906 book] The Jungle, which has a scene in which a man falls into a vat at the sausage factory and becomes part of the sausage. And if you go back to that era where people had ‑‑ dealing with the Chinese where the people had doctored food, they had put all sorts of junk in food, they ‑‑ you know, I as a child who lived in Europe and I always marveled at the fact that American water is drinkable virtually anywhere.

    So there are minimum regulatory standards of public health and safety that are I think really important.

    Sammy Finkelman (853752)

  34. Rope, lead, needles. Join us in a game, bin Davis, we insist.

    gary gulrud (d88477)

  35. T.R. was a pioneer of crony capitalism and regulatory capture, even during his supposed trust-busting phase.

    What do you mean by “even”? Trust-busting was a core “progressive” policy, with which those in power could punish those they didn’t like and reward those they liked. In other words, it’s a fascist policy.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  36. The #1 holder of U.S. Sovereign Debt today is the Federal Reserve.
    They print it, and then lend it to the Treasury in exchange for bonds, at very favorable rates.

    Yes, but all profits the Fed makes, after it has paid out its statutory 6% so-called “dividend” to its so-called “shareholders”, goes back to the Treasury.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  37. If we could back to TR’s laws and regulations … I would buy the speech. No IRS, No EPA, No DoEs ….. nice.

    Hey, if we could go back to the colonial laws of 1770 it would be nice.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  38. facsism makes the high speed trains run on time

    No, it doesn’t. It just says it did, and nobody dares to contradict it.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  39. oh.

    I feel like such a sap.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  40. Roosevelt advocated the Food and Drug Act after he was eating ‑‑ and this supposedly the story, after he was eating sausage and eggs while reading up to [Upton] Sinclair’s [1906 book] The Jungle,

    Presumably he was unaware that that book is a work of fiction from beginning to end, that Sinclair spent all of a week researching it, and that none of the wild allegations it made turned out to be true. Or that it was enthusiastically embraced and promoted by the big meat processors, who used the public outrage it stirred up to destroy their small competitors.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  41. Srsly, feets, it’s a fact that Mussolini did not make the trains run on time. He just said he did and fools believed him. Also, Hitler did not revitalise Germany’s economy in the mid-’30s. Again, he just cooked the numbers. This is also how Cuba achieves those wonderful medical statistics. When you control the collection and publication of statistics your performance can be whatever you want it to be.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  42. hence the bubble in higher education, no?

    It does worry Mr. instapundit so.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  43. ___________________________________________

    Could someone fill Obama in on the role of Clinton HUD Secretary Andrew Cuomo in plunging Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac into the subprime markets, or the Fed’s role in dumbing down lending standards?

    Even more recently, more ludicrously, more irresponsibly, and certainly more within the circle of influence of the current occupant of the Oval Office:


    finance.townhall.com:

    The Department of Justice is executing a “Witch Hunt” against banks. Through the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, Attorney General Eric Holder is forcing banks to “relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination,” according to a published report by Investor’s Business Daily after reviewing court documents.

    The DOJ has already extorted $20 million for weak and poor credit loans from banks that “settled out of court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist.” The DOJ admits another 60 banks are already under “investigation.” Holder’s demanding the banks sign “non-disclosure” settlement agreements barring them from talking while allowing the DOJ to operate behind a curtain of secrecy.

    The settlements already extracted from banks force them to make “prime-rate mortgages to low income blacks and Hispanics” with credit problems, even if they are living on welfare. According to IBD, the DOJ has ordered banks to advertise that minorities cannot be turned down for a loan “because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.” No job; no problem!

    In other words, the DOJ is forcing banks to make loans to people that they know don’t qualify for them and likely won’t be able to afford to repay them, which is precisely the kind of failed public policy that precipitated the financial collapse and recession in 2008.

    Mark (411533)

  44. Liberal fascism – isn’t that redundant?

    Have Blue (39630e)

  45. Sorry to intrude on your echo chamber, but how is it possible that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac caused the housing crisis, when the exact same bubble formed in many other countries throughout the world? Did our housing policy somehow create bubbles in Europe, too?

    Jonny Scrum-half (55e9f2)

  46. Jonny-

    We welcome intrusions on the “echo chamber”, especially if they are thoughtful.

    I do not know the relation of the real estate market in the rest of the world compared to the US,
    but I do know that one day Barney Frank said all was well at Fanny and Freddie, and it wasn’t too many weeks after that before they were on life support.

    MD in Philly (41d33b)

  47. WE exported all this toxic debt to the UK, where it toppled Northern Rock, to Athens, to Brussels with Dexia, and Corzine was betting on it, through MF Global

    narciso (87e966)

  48. Milhouse at #41

    The Jungle was fiction?!?!

    Never heard that, though I am not surprised if it is indeed true.

    It seems that whenever we think “it has never been this bad before”, we are reminded that, au contrare, there is nothing new under the sun.

    Forgive me for saying this again, we need a book letting us know what is false about what we think we know.
    I wonder if in 2020 it will be “common knowledge” that “Bush stole the election in 2000″, along with Gorbachev being “the one who ended the Cold War” when he “told the workers to tear down the Berlin Wall”.

    MD in Philly (41d33b)

  49. Yes it’s classified as a novel,

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jungle

    Sort of turn of the century, James Frey, and I imagine that ’00 falls in the same ‘ignominy’
    as the ’34 race against Sinclair,

    narciso (87e966)

  50. Sinclair’s “The Jungle” is fiction. It is a wonderful piece of failed socialist propaganda. Sinclair wanted to bring attention to the plight of the workers in Mr. Armour’s Chicago abbatoirs. Instead, he brought attention to the lack of quality of processed foods. In his own words (more or less), “I tried to reach their [the people’] hearts, but I only reached their stomachs”. Helped give us FDA.

    nk (cd8f6b)

  51. I knew it was a novel, but I thought it was thought of as “historical fiction”.

    Thank you for your comments.

    How are you doing, nk?

    It would be nice to spend what time we have for reading and learning on things that are true.

    MD in Philly (41d33b)

  52. Add.
    I distinctly remember it being treated as truthful and important when I was in high school.

    MD in Philly (41d33b)

  53. Like the lunacy of An Incovenient Truth and the Day after Tomorrow, one just slightly more insane than the other.

    narciso (87e966)

  54. (Hi Patterico. Saw this gem on the net just now!)

    OBAMAS FULFILLING THE BIBLE

    Emperor and Empress Obama (professional vacationers) can be found in the Old Testament! Read on:

    Proverbs 19:10 (NIV): “It is not fitting for a fool to live in luxury – how much worse for a slave to rule over princes!”
    Also Proverbs 30:22 (NIV) which says that the earth cannot bear up under “a servant who becomes king.”
    And Ecclesiastes 5:2-3 (KJV) advises: “let thy words be few…a fool’s voice is known by multitude of words.”
    Although Obama is not descended from slaves, he may feel that he’s destined to become a black-slavery avenger.
    Or maybe an enslaver of all free citizens!
    For some stunning info on Pres. Obama and his fellow traitors, Google “Imam Bloomberg’s Sharia Mosque,” “Michelle Obama’s Allah-day,” “Obama Supports Public Depravity,” “David Letterman’s Hate Etc.,” “Un-Americans Fight Franklin Graham” and also “Sandra Bernhard, Larry David, Kathy Griffin, Bill Maher, Joan Rivers, Sarah Silverman.” Also Google “Prof. F. N. Lee’s ISLAM IN THE BIBLE [PDF].”
    PS – Since Christians are commanded to ask God to send severe judgment on persons who commit and support the worst forms of evil (see I Cor. 5 and note “taken away”), Christians everywhere should constantly pray that the Lord will soon “take away” or at least overthrow all US leaders (including subversive, America-hating, Jesus-bashing Hollywood shmucks) who continue to sear their conscience, who dangle every unspeakably filthy vice before young people, and who arrogantly trample the God-given rights of the majority including the rights of the unborn. Do we need a second American Revolution?
    PPS – For a rare look at the 181-year-old endtime belief which has long neutralized millions of American patriots by promising them an “imminent rapture” off earth – which has diverted them away from being prepared to stand against all enemies, domestic as well as foreign – Google “Pretrib Rapture Politics,” “Pretrib Rapture Dishonesty,” “Pretrib Rapture Diehards,” “Edward Irving is Unnerving,” “Pretrib Rapture Secrecy,” and “Pretrib Rapture – Hidden Facts” – all by the author of the bestselling nonfiction book “The Rapture Plot” (the most accurate and highly endorsed documentation on the pretrib rapture’s long-covered-up-but-now-revealed beginnings in Britain in 1830 – see Armageddon Books).

    Fran (b7ed67)


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