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8/21/2011

Does Obama’s personal favorability rating matter?

Filed under: 2012 Election — Karl @ 6:00 am



[Posted by Karl]

I really don’t want to single out National Journal’s Reid Wilson, because he’s far from the only one in the establishment media selling the idea that Pres. Obama’s personal approval ratings may save him:

President Obama, whose job-approval ratings are mired well south of 50 percent, has an important factor breaking his way as he seeks another term: Americans still overwhelmingly like the guy.

There is a partial correlation, pollsters say, between a politician’s job-approval ratings and favorability ratings. Favorability ratings generally represent a ceiling, above which job-approval ratings do not rise. And poor job-approval ratings, over the long term, can prove a drag on an incumbent’s favorability ratings. A short-term drop in approval ratings doesn’t portend a corresponding drop in personal favorability—but when favorable numbers begin to descend, it’s an ominous sign for anyone planning to run for another term.

Polling consistently shows that the majority of Americans view Obama favorably, even while they increasingly disagree with his job performance. There is a nuance to voter sentiment, pollsters say, one that provides Obama with a path to reelection. But the disconnect between the two numbers, if it ever shrinks, could also become a leading indicator that the president’s chances for a second term are headed south.

In a related vein, we find Larry Sabato shrugging off Obama’s sagging approval numbers:

The current White House certainly wouldn’t claim that President Obama is riding a crest of popularity just now. And there’s no guarantee that his wave will ever return. Nonetheless, it’s worth noting that three predecessors — Truman, Reagan, and Clinton — were reelected after having suffered the dirty 30s in the first term. Three others were not reelected — Ford, Carter, and Bush 41 (and arguably LBJ as well, though he withdrew before facing the voters in 1968).

However, as John Podhoretz notes, Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford, Jimmy Carter and George H.W. Bush went on either to lose the next election or to not run again; Reagan and Clinton hit the 30s, but their numbers rebounded because the economy improved.  (Sabato is thinking of Truman in 1948 , which technically was not a re-election campaign and where Truman was buoyed by a rising economy more than most remember).

Moreover, Princeton political scientist Larry Bartels will tell you that a candidate’s personal favorability only matters at the margins:

Using survey data from the six most recent presidential elections, the contours are examines [sic] of the candidates’ images (traits), the bases of those images in voters’ more fundamental political predispositions, and the impact of voters’ assessments of the candidates’ personal qualities on individual voting behaviour and on aggregate election outcomes. In stark contrast with the popular conception of contemporary electoral politics as candidate–centred and image–driven, it is argued that candidates’ images are largely epiphenomenal and have only a modest impact on election outcomes. This conclusion is underlined by the analysis given of the 2000 (Bush vs. Gore) presidential election, in which the estimated impact of voters’ assessments of the candidates’ personalities was even smaller than in the previous five elections considered here, although quite probably large enough to be decisive in an election decided by a few hundred votes in a single state.

At this juncture, Pres. Obama and the Democrats have to hope that the sputtering economy only dials back the electorate from 2008 (where Democratic turnout exceeded GOP turnout by five percent) to a more evenly split electorate along the lines of  2000 or 2004.  Under those cirumstances, the GOP’s candidate selection — and the Democrat Media Complex’s ability to demonize that nominee — could make a difference in enough swing states to eke out a second term for Obama.  Otherwise, the public’s cognitive dissonance between Obama’s personal and job approval ratings will be resolved by people deciding they do not like a guy who fails.

–Karl

230 Responses to “Does Obama’s personal favorability rating matter?”

  1. Baracky’s religion SHOULD HAVE mattered: Black Liberation Theology is anathema to the USA’s operating system. But, no one of import made it an issue.

    BHO’s ‘likeability’ factor should NOT matter, but it will. He is the consummate Community Organizer of our age; he will attract votes with his charisma (and with monies he finds in Hobbitses’ pocketses).

    Likely he will be re-elected by the same moochers who elected him in the first place.

    Ron Paul's Confuzzled Mind (2e8839)

  2. Popularity rankings won’t matter much at all in 2012. Heck, they’re pretty much irrelevant now because polls can’t measure what respondents fear to reveal. With opposition to Obama’s policies taken as proof of racial animosity toward ‘people of color,’ who in their right mind is going to voluntarily report they harbor a personal dislike for America’s First Black President? Nope, far better to lie or to remain silent than to suffer a false accusation of racism.

    ropelight (058c66)

  3. Urkel wants to take an Incomplete for his work ‘Goofing at the Presidency’ and somehow swing that B+ in a second try. Good luck with getting Dimmis to appear in the same state when he’s on the stump.

    His floor in job approval is his ceiling in popular vote, now 39%.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  4. colonel about pukes
    every time he see this
    guy strut up to mic

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  5. arrogant disdain
    messiah to pariah
    mighty have fallen

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  6. colonel think many
    of those peeps polled just don’t want
    to be thought racist

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  7. after all you can’t
    abhor this clown’s policies
    and still like the clown

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  8. Big Zero’s losing supporters faster than a clown with Tourette Syndrome loses kids at a birthday party.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  9. Colonel: do you mean his supporters “polled” or do you mean “rolled”?

    They were played by a Chicago pol. As Glenn Reynolds says “Heeeeyyy Ruuuubbbe!”

    Simon Jester (5ab1ab)

  10. Oh, and Colonel? Did you see this? Maureen Dowd wants BHO to be more of an “alpha male.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/21/opinion/dowd-of-dystopias-and-alphas.html?_r=1&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss

    I can’t wait to see what your mad haiku skillz do with that bit of cognitive dissonance.

    Simon Jester (5ab1ab)

  11. polled rolled it all same
    maureen dowd’s come hither look
    leave colonel retching

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  12. barack obama
    incredible lightness of
    being like feather

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  13. Empty suit of wind
    Expectations of Lefties
    Unfulfilled so far

    Simon Jester (5ab1ab)

  14. I was all set to believe Ms Dowd had realized the truth about Obama, but after suffering thru that syrupy mess, it’s the same old thing with her. She loves him as much as she did Clinton, or maybe even more.

    As for: “Americans still overwhelmingly like the guy”, I wonder who they are asking. None of my immediate family or any of my friends like him. No one has ever asked my opinion.

    PatAZ (da3db7)

  15. +10 Simon!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  16. I love it when he blames his bad luck on the Arab Spring. Didn’t he take credit for that earlier?

    Now if we could get rid of the liberal media and him.

    AZ Bob (807a39)

  17. Unemployment up
    POTUS is riding girl’s bike
    And feeling our pain

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  18. I’m kinda baffled. What’s personally likable about this guy? In all seriousness.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  19. He makes the oceans stop rising, SPQR. If that dosnt make you swoon or faint, then you are just a racist.

    JD (318f81)

  20. Honestly, SPQR? Because if you don’t like him, you must be a racist. Look around at the meme that the MSM is pushing.

    No imagine a pollster comes and asks you if you personally like the President. What are you going to tell them? You don’t want to seem rude or…racist…or something.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  21. I’m not kidding, JD. I’ve never seen any sign amongst the independents that anyone likes Obama. Bush, Clinton, Reagan, these guys all knew how to project a low level friendliness to greater or lesser degrees. Obama’s most fanatic acolytes projected all kinds of silly characteristics upon him, but the sit down and have a beer with him kind of friendliness never seemed to be a part of that. Wasn’t the “beer summit” between the cop, the professor and the President an example of just how awkward Obama was at projecting that kind of personan?

    I don’t think even at his most popular that Obama seemed likable in a personal sort of way.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  22. Lefties imbued him
    With all their dreams and desires
    But woke up alone

    Concerned Conservative (6048a8)

  23. Doggone sock! And just when I wanted to play.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  24. This thread is en fuego!

    Looks like the Pattericans are all wee-weed haikued up this morning.

    elissa (5d6a92)

  25. more than just bad luck
    so no four leaf clover can
    help bumblef*ck now

    elissa (5d6a92)

  26. I could not say it better myself, SPQR.

    JD (318f81)

  27. Teh One rules and you
    Racists drool. November will
    Suck for Team Denier.

    Concerned Christian Conservative (318f81)

  28. obiwan the worst
    says bad things were said about
    the GOOD presidents

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  29. ______________________________________________

    I’m kinda baffled. What’s personally likable about this guy? In all seriousness.

    The guy is a “goddamn America” ultra-liberal, but there are intangibles about people in general, Obama included, that make them likeable to me or not. When it comes to the guy now in the White House, I do admit to not wincing or shuddering when seeing him on the TV the way I did when Clinton was in office, or the way I still react when I see images or camera shots of Obama’s Democrat predecessor.

    However, when Obama talks, I don’t listen and can’t help snickering. And, hell no, I’d never vote for him in a million years. But he does have a schmoozy-sloppy likeability about him.

    Call it the dynamics of successful salesmen throughout the world, the ones in the used-car or aluminum-siding business, or who run boiler-room operations. Such people are aware of the way that people’s personalities, their own and others — can make or break a sale or, for that matter, a vote on election day.

    That notwithstanding, I continue to say that those people who are centrists or conservatives (or certainly who aren’t ultra-liberals) who voted for Obama in 2008, and who even at this late date find themselves slightly pausing over whether they’ll vote for his competitor next year, the following applies to them…

    “The danger to America is not Barack Obama but a citizenry capable of entrusting a man like him with the Presidency. It will be far easier to limit and undo the follies of an Obama presidency than to restore the necessary common sense and good judgment to a depraved electorate willing to have such a man for their president.

    The problem is much deeper and far more serious than Mr. Obama, who is a mere symptom of what ails America. Blaming the prince of the fools should not blind anyone to the vast confederacy of fools that made him their prince. The Republic can survive a Barack Obama, who is, after all, merely a fool. It is less likely to survive a multitude of fools such as those who made him their president.”

    Mark (411533)

  30. bumble’s favorables matter a lot I think cause there was such a reticence about criticizing him … for the longest time it was like he was a parched crippled flat-headed toddler what a lot of people couldn’t bring themselves to criticize no matter how badly he was misbehaved especially when you tried to feed him his peas

    that’s changed now – it’s acceptable to speak your mind about bumble now, and that’s very bad news for him because he’s a remarkably cowardly useless and whiny little man

    who’s effed up our economy something dreadful

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  31. @ SPQR,

    I don’t think even at his most popular that Obama seemed likable in a personal sort of way.

    I think it’s a definition problem: there was such a desperation about getting a black man in the WH, that it was easy to gloss over any flaws. As time went on and his flaws became much more apparent – his sneering attitude toward half the country, his arrogance, his narrow-minded bigotry toward Tea Party members, etc, there was still the hesitancy to be critical of Obama, the person, because who wants to be labeled racist? And that is precisely what the prescribed leap is: criticism = racist.

    So, the definition of likable or favorable translated into something even more basic and rudimentary, like, he is a good father and is committed to his wife and family. And that’s where it stands. He’s a good father and husband. Apparently that is enough for his supporters – which perhaps might speaks to the rarity of such admirable behavior in certain communities. They can’t and won’t let themselves be honest about him – there’s too much at stake. And moreso, the world is watching.

    Of course, too, he’s clean and articulate. That makes some people like him even more.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  32. Obama is losing supporters faster than a fugly prostitute loses customers.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  33. Kinda begs the question. Do voters blame Obama for the current state of the economy? And do they believe electing Republicans would lead to an improvement in our economic situation or make things worse? Jury’s still out.

    Spartacvs (419992)

  34. “Do voters blame Obama for the current state of the economy?”

    Obama’s at 26% approval for his handling of the economy. Clearly voters believe he is blameless.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  35. Never liked him from the get go. Call me a racist if that helps Chrissie Matthews to ejaculate while looking at ObaMao. Seriously, his carpetbagger opponent in his last Senate campaign would make a better potus. Yes, I know the people of Chicago would never go for Keyes. Wonder how well a Mike Ditka would have done or Ryan, had not Obama’s minions had his divorce files opened up. Seven of Nine herself would be more presidential than this current joke. Can’t stand to hear him, Clinton, Gore, Lurch, Fatass Mikey Moore, Jeananne Garofolo etc ad nauseum open their pieholes. Yeah, baba Streisand, the skanks of the view, keith olberdouche, rachel Maddow and so. And yet they are successful. Please..no Mitt Romney as opponent in 2012. Any jackass that buys into the agw algore BS hoax is a loser moron. I think maybe Chris Christie is in there also.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (2cc74c)

  36. Spurtycuss p3wnd you racists.

    concerned christian conservative (306f5d)

  37. 26% disapproval with who? Daley.

    As usual, cite please.

    Spartacvs (419992)

  38. Spurtycuss p3wnd you racists.

    Yeah, he’s just too clever for us.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  39. spurty must have blood
    stole some while their heads were turned
    down at da bloodbank

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  40. atrophied brain cells
    very hard to overcome
    spurty keeps trying

    elissa (5d6a92)

  41. I question those figures as well. Outside of the algore olbergasm network, where could you find a sample of people where 26% thought The Messiah was doing a good job?

    concerned christian conservative (b98cae)

  42. Remember it is not Obamas fault for this deficit it is your fault because you wanted your jobs to stay in america and lower taxes for everyone.

    /Unhinged jew hating lefty

    DohBiden (d54602)

  43. Questions may be raised
    Begging them is different
    Logic fallacy

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  44. spurty can reduce
    painful swelling of hem’rrhoids
    he applies his lips

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  45. that’s gross

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  46. Quite right Pious.

    Figure of speech, sorry.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  47. I question those figures as well. Outside of the algore olbergasm network, where could you find a sample of people where 26% thought The Messiah was doing a good job?

    Spoken like a true denizen of the echo chamber, reality shall not penetrate.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  48. I think a section of Obama’s personal approval rating being higher than his job approval rating is just human nature in answering polls. People always answer general questions one way and on specific personalities another:

    “Congress is horrible, but my Rep Joe? Well, he’s fine.”

    “I’m against the War in Iraq, but I support the Troops!”

    Another factor to a small degree has to be race. Obama (for better or worse) is the first Black President elected in a country with a history of racism. He does get karma points for that irregardless. Also the reverse is true, some people are terrified of being called racist and no matter what Obama does – they will answer he is terrible “oh, but I like him personally”.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  49. Also on that point of personal approval versus job approval, Obama can have all the fluffy personal ratings he wants but when it comes time for people to vote, they are going to pull the lever on the job approval rating and not the side of him having a winning smile.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  50. It is echo chamber thinking to note that The Messiah’s approval rating on things like the economy is dismal. Spartacvs is well and truly uninformed, he appears to revel in his ignorance., and ignoranus, if you will.

    concerned christian conservative (b98cae)

  51. I’m sure he’s a nice guy, loves his wife and kids, is nice to the dog.

    But as the leader of the free world? Nah, he’s doing a sucky job.

    I’m hiring someone to do the job.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  52. “26% disapproval with who?”

    Reading is fundamental. Only 26% approval for handling of economy, duh.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. #42..here in Palm Bch. Fla. the Jews continue to idolize OmaMao, from what I’ve heard. He has charisma according to the japs whose panties get wet thinking about the magic negro. Anyway, nothing is POTUS’ fault- blame it one the arab spring, tsunami, BP oil spill, GOP failure to “compromise”, the terrorist tea party and W.

    And what is the excuse for overwhelming black support? Dude is not even majority black. Was not his father part-Arab? I suppose fact that black unemployment in Detroit at 30% is no fault of O’s and wonder how much of those are on welfare with multiple kids by multiple absent fathers.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (2cc74c)

  54. Spurt kisses butt

    Obama had enough of his smut.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  55. No concerned, It is echo chamber thinking to assume Obama’s approval ratings presume a victory for whoever the R party happens to vomit up from its nomination process.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  56. I agree with Dana #31. And I worry that people who voted for Obama will be desperate to find a reason to vote for him again, if only to prove to themselves they weren’t wrong the first time.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  57. ‘with who’ not ‘for what’ daley you nutter.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  58. So Sparticvs the Liar writes:

    “…Spoken like a true denizen of the echo chamber, reality shall not penetrate….”

    Teh Projection is strong. Tired of carrying water yet, little troll? You love accusing others of rejecting reality and being in an echo chamber…but what are you, precisely?

    You have demonstrated, time and time again, that you are not (i) honesty, (ii) mature, (iii) thoughtful, and (iv) accurate.

    Kman’s website awaits you. Maybe you can be co-blogger there! You two have so much in common.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  59. here in Palm Bch. Fla.

    Another Limpdough listener is heard from, spare us. Thx.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  60. DRJ #56: exactly! Many folks voted for BHO because of how it made them feel about themselves to do so.

    Admitting that they were, p0wned, voting for an inexperienced Chicago pol who cannot follow up on his campaign promises…well, no one likes to admit that they were played.

    On the other hand, given how some people wrote about BHO, I would simply observe that Hell hath no fury….

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  61. now spurty bemoans
    the echo chamber thinkin’
    from KosKids’ bowels

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  62. Always so classy, little troll. How about your dishonesty earlier? Remember? We all do.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  63. “But as the leader of the free world? Nah, he’s doing a sucky job.”

    I totally agree but I wonder about that huge block of nonpolitical/uninformed voters that will no doubt be the swing block in the next election. I’ve thought for a while that Obama had no chance whatsoever of winning in 2012 but I could see the media “Palin-izing” someone like Perry. Not so much in what he says, but in ridiculous distortions of something he said in the same way that half the country currently believes Palin actually said “I can see Russia from my house”.

    At that point (for those casual voters) it not about a guy who will fix the economy against the incompetent Obama, its about an “extremist” vs the “nice” Obama. That really is my only fear about 2012.

    Kaisersoze (298188)

  64. “Many folks voted for BHO because of how it made them feel about themselves to do so.”
    Wishful thinking :)

    tifosa (fed93f)

  65. 59 bioyamf…continue to fester amongst the dingleberries dangling from your idol’s anus. Yes, I know, there should be NO debt ceiling and the fed should just print all the money Obama wants to buy votes. Afterall, Krugman has a Nobel prize as do algore, obama and carter peace prizes. What a frackin’ joke those Norwegians truly are. Well, Jo Nesbo is ok, I suppose.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (2cc74c)

  66. spurty been debagged
    for quite some time now he sings
    the castrato parts

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  67. hi colonel! Remember mine?:
    tifosa had one
    too many mimosa and
    m00nbat crash and burn
    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 8/7/2011 @ 12:44 pm

    tifosa (fed93f)

  68. King Barry deserves
    same respect he shows those who
    don’t worship the King

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  69. 26% disapproval with who? Daley.

    As usual, cite please.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/21/2011 @ 11:15 am

    Unbelievable. After the many ass-kickings you’ve had on your own fraudulent “cites”, you still run that crap here?

    There is no limit to your dishonesty.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  70. Suppose we had another 911 prior to elections or rioting in the streets? Is there doubt that Obama would call for martial law and suspension of election? What happens if a fate similar to what happened to Clinton’s Ron Brown befalls Obama? I love how the assclowns on the left belittle Perry for having Texan swagger, etc. and yet anything negative about the big zero is racist.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (2cc74c)

  71. The problem with Perry isn’t his “swagger”

    tifosa (fed93f)

  72. Dear Colonel:

    Your haiku accurate
    But Spurty’s manhood given
    For new Hope and Change

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  73. No DRJ, the desperation is to not let the GOP have the reigns of power again. Not in their current debilitating state of reality denial.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  74. There were enough stupid Americans to elect Obama; there are still enough stupid Americas to re-elect Obama. I think it will happen.

    Rome has fallen. Time to play the barbarian.

    Jones (0a69fd)

  75. Post after post here
    Spurty unclear on concept
    Hope and Change cheerleader

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  76. Leftist partisans are concerned more with their own power than with the welling of the nation. Naturally, they are desperate that the GOP not be elected to the presidency.

    The vast majority of Americans, however, don’t piss themselves at the thought of it.

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  77. wellbeing, not welling,

    Pious Agnostic (6048a8)

  78. Yet another Moronic Convergence.

    JD (318f81)

  79. I think this, unfortunately, sums it up nicely.

    President Obama vacations at a playground for the very wealthy while his constituents (and yes, I’ll say base) line up in the sweltering heat of Atlanta for the mere possibility of getting a job.

    Now if you asked these people about Obama’s favorability ratings, I would venture to guess that publicly they would resoundingly endorse him on every level. Privately, perhaps, it might be a different matter.

    I think that is because this is about far more than the average issue of candidate/POTUS favorability ratings: this is about race, about supporting the community and not going against the historically aligned democratic support of the black community. While blacks certainly might not be labeled racist for expressing a dislike of him, both in job approval and favorability, it would come with the risk being labeled an Uncle Tom. And that is just as insidious and unacceptable as being falsely labeled racist.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  80. tifosa is back . . .

    Why?

    Icy Texan (aeef33)

  81. But Obama’s not black.

    Jones (0a69fd)

  82. @ spartvcus,

    the desperation is to not let the GOP have the reigns of power again. Not in their current debilitating state of reality denial.

    Considering there is no current debilitating state of reality denial except from the left as evidenced during our budget debacle last month, your statement is false on its face.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  83. Bottom line, there will be a choice, Huntsman or Obama.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  84. Spartacvs:

    No DRJ, the desperation is to not let the GOP have the reigns of power again. Not in their current debilitating state of reality denial.

    That may be true for liberal voters but not for independents. By definition, independent voters wouldn’t be desperate to vote for or against either Party’s nominee. They vote for a specific candidate rather than an ideology.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  85. @ spartvcus,

    the desperation is to not let the GOP have the reigns of power

    it’s ‘reins’ you blowhole

    Jones (0a69fd)

  86. Spurty comes around to deflect discussion and to mock and run down any and all 2012 R candidates. But have you noticed that he never points to accomplishments by his idol Barry as president that warrant praise? Nor, when challenged, could Spurty offer even one logical reason that people with a pulse and a working brain might have to vote for another 4 years of Obama.

    elissa (5d6a92)

  87. Bottom line, there will be a choice, Huntsman or Obama.

    Comment by tifosa — 8/21/2011 @ 12:51 pm

    Care to place a wager on this?

    JD (318f81)

  88. elissa, his (Obama’s) accomplishment is singular:
    He Won!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  89. The Congressional Teapublicons were willing to not just “take the country back” but TAKE THE COUNTRY DOWN (default.) We all saw it. Make the government ‘small enough to drown in the bathtub.’ WE THE PEOPLE want government to be smart! We’re willing to pay our taxes, aren’t willing to let our economic standing in the world tank, and we resented that a minority in the House would do so. I thank the teaparty because I will never again pay a tax bill without appreciating clean air, clean water, safe travel, amazing infrastructure, an exemplary military, safe medicine, assistance for those in need, FDIC protection, beautiful parks… I have the freedom to travel anywhere I want, to choose any mate, (and I mean ANY, I’m in NY 😉 to choose where I live, work, play… The angry, whiny voices are just that.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  90. Bottom line, there will be a choice, Huntsman or Obama.

    When presented with the choice of a Leftist, and a Leftist-lite, the American voter will choose a Leftist.
    For verification of this phenomena, consult with Robert Michel.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  91. Now “tifosa” has resumed making shlt up. Yes, you are an angry whiny voice. Very angry, and very whiny.

    JD (318f81)

  92. 89…Verification as to why NY will never again be The Empire State.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  93. Spurty that’s “reins” of power. I think that after the wild ride on the Pelosi Reid Obama express, folks may well not want to leave the “reins of power” in the hands of the Dems in 2012. And Obama’s continual whiney petulance won’t wear well.

    Comanche Voter (0e06a9)

  94. hahahah “angry” and “whiny” hahahah ~~ uh, yeh.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  95. We’re willing to pay our taxes

    putting a tax-cheating Goldman Sachs whore in charge of the treasury department doesn’t exactly send a “we’re willing to pay our taxes” message I don’t think

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  96. What was “made up” JD?

    tifosa (fed93f)

  97. Mr Feets–
    Based on what we are seeing here I don’t think Mr. Axelrod and Mr Soros are in full control of their marketing message yet.

    elissa (5d6a92)

  98. tifosa had too
    much of the rubber hosah
    from Rubirosa

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  99. The contrasts in 2012 will be clear. The Obama stimulus lead to more job creation than in the entire Bush 8 years. We’re in our 17th straight month of job growth~granted, not enough, but better than the 500,00+ the U.S. was bleeding when Bush left. …and those Bush tax cuts, expire or continue.? yes the choice will be clear…

    tifosa (fed93f)

  100. ahhh haiki-guy. I liked my other one better :(

    tifosa (fed93f)

  101. JD is furiously googling… sweeeeeeet! 😀

    tifosa (fed93f)

  102. The Obama stimulus lead to more job creation than in the entire Bush 8 years.

    Another fantasy. Completely made up ass pull.

    those Bush tax cuts, expire or continue.?

    Those are now the Obama tax cuts, and according to your personal Jesus, it is wrong wrong wrong to raise taxes during a recession.

    This fits well with your prior history of fantasy writing.

    yes the choice will be clear…

    Comment by tifosa — 8/21/2011 @ 1:20 pm

    JD (318f81)

  103. The idea that you could make me do anything is laughable, clown.

    JD (318f81)

  104. Spartacvs and tifosa are freakin desperate to distract from the abject failure of Teh One’s failed presidency. Desperation is an unflattering cologne.

    JD (318f81)

  105. those numbers wrong?

    tifosa (fed93f)

  106. JD, you have to realize that all of those who “dropped out” of the Labor Force have actually taken newly created, underground economy jobs that were inspired by the emanations from the pernumbras hovering about the being of The Lightworker; so therefore, those are “jobs, created or saved”!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  107. Vulgar language is impressive in your world, not in mine. It doesn’t make what you say true.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  108. Tifosa–

    …clean air, clean water, safe travel, amazing infrastructure, an exemplary military, safe medicine, assistance for those in need, FDIC protection, beautiful parks… I have the freedom to travel anywhere I want, to choose any mate, (and I mean ANY, I’m in NY to choose where I live, work, play…

    Then what did the Teapublicans take from you if you still have all this?

    Birdbath (19803d)

  109. Nothing on that chart attribute stimulus dollars to even one job in the private sector. In fact, study after study has shown that government was the primary beneficiary of stimulus money, using stimulus funds to paper over looming budget deficits. Nice try.

    JD (318f81)

  110. I didn’t say they took something from ME. The downgrade is on their backs.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  111. ‘fosa eschews vulgarity…
    he must be from Waldon Pond, certainly unlike any Leftist I’ve encountered over the last 50-years.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  112. Study after study>?

    tifosa (fed93f)

  113. AD – it decries vulgarity, while being aggressively dishonest. Apparently it is worse to be vulgar than dishonest in tifosa’s unicorn and fairy world.

    JD (318f81)

  114. Yur ignorance does not count as a defense against a fact, tifosa.

    JD (318f81)

  115. All you have is ad hominem attacks. Very weak JD.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  116. The downgrade is the fault of the Evil Rethuglicans because they did not assent in the squandering of 6-Trillion Dollars in deficit spending over the last three years.

    Only fools would reason such.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  117. If you’re going to call someone ignorant, spellcheck, just sayin 😉

    tifosa (fed93f)

  118. “unable to connect” hahahahaha~yeh

    tifosa (fed93f)

  119. AD – they get their feelings hurt so easily. Calling them out on their dishonesty is worse than anything they can imagine. Tifosa is getting the vapors because we have the audacity to call it on it’s lies, or question the premise of it’s worldview.

    JD (318f81)

  120. Hey, JD.
    Did you see the link I posted last night on a piece by Walter Russell Meade about dining on Unicorn ribs?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  121. what’s that smell? F*CK!
    what’s that smell? F*CK!
    what’s that smell? tifosa!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  122. Can someone recall the last time Zandi was ring about something?

    AD – unicorn farts and fairy dust are all they have got left.

    JD (318f81)

  123. hahahah “the vapors?” Are you 90? 😉

    tifosa (fed93f)

  124. Huntsman is coming on strong. He’s about to brush the Texan and Bachmann side.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  125. the stench make me clench
    tifosa the liberal
    stinkin’ up da place!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  126. Ah, to be that young, that hip, that stupid.
    It is truly breathtaking –
    or, as the old joke goes, you laugh for five minutes, and you’ll be out of breath too.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  127. Tifosa – I offered a wager on your asspull assertion above about Huntsman. Care to put your money where your mouf is?

    JD (318f81)

  128. Maybe an aversion to facts?

    tifosa (fed93f)

  129. Off to the lake to swim. Someone email me if tifosa mans up.

    JD (318f81)

  130. What’s a Huntsman?
    Is that somebody PETA would support?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  131. Rest assured, JD, your recreation will be undisturbed.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  132. hahahahaha! it’s Romney or Huntsman. Huntsman has just started his media blitz. I’ll bet you a giant concession-type apology. A 10 consecutive compliment run. Things we can actually deliver in chat form.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  133. If Huntman’s “media blitz” is anything like his announcement at Jersey’s Liberty Park, the media will pay him not to book their time.
    His campaign so far has been one long yawn.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  134. Things we can actually deliver in chat form.
    Comment by tifosa — 8/21/2011 @ 1:47 pm

    In other words, his mom won’t give him money to pay off losing bets.

    O/T: Reports that Gaddafi has been shot and killed.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  135. Sunday shows today, Morgan tomorrow, he doesn’t fear the MSM like the nutty-buddies do.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  136. Tifosa should print out in bulk some of his favorite articles about how the recession is over and touting all the great jobs Obama’s policies have created. Then he could pass out copies to the thousands of desperate people standing in lines to apply for jobs (such as the job fair recently documented in Atlanta). I’m sure Tifosa and his propaganda would be quite well received in that milieu and I would love to see the reaction he’d get. Winning!!

    elissa (5d6a92)

  137. ______________________________________________

    the public’s cognitive dissonance between Obama’s personal and job approval ratings

    Speaking of cognitive dissonance, no group is more guilty of that on more occasions that the phony-ass fools otherwise known as “limousine liberals,” including those in the current White House administration.

    Dailycaller.com:

    Although a lot has been said about the timing of President Obama’s vacation to Martha’s Vineyard, not much has been said about the spot itself, other than some criticism about the tone-deafness of a president vacationing at a haven for the well-to-do while so many Americans are struggling financially.

    On his Friday radio program, Mark Levin took a look at the racial makeup of the Obama vacation spot and likened it to the left-leaning MSNBC cable news network.

    “But what about on Martha’s Vineyard?” Levin said. “I’m just asking. Doesn’t Martha’s Vineyard kind of reflect the racial make-up of the hosts on MSNBC, or as we affectionately call them ‘MSLSD’ because they all seem like they’re on some kind of a drug kick? I’m not saying they are. I’m saying they seem like it.”

    Levin criticized the spot because of the lack of economic diversity as well: a place where the rich go, but the average American can’t afford.

    “How about the diversity on Martha’s Vineyard?” he continued. “There’s a reason people go to this island where there’s a lot of rich people. I’m not against islands with rich people but I thought you liberals were. This island with rich people, where the average Joe or Jane can’t get there, can’t afford it — there’s a reason why he finds that so attractive, where that’s where he wants to go for his vacation. The guy says one thing and he does another. He talks about how we should live and he lives a completely different way.”

    “We need to figure out how to integrate Martha’s Vineyard,” Levin said. “We can’t have busing obviously because buses don’t drive on water. How about these water taxis?… Maybe I’ll lead a movement: the movement to integrate the island of Martha’s Vineyard. There should be more than millionaires and billionaires of the Caucasian persuasion there.

    ^ Merely a variation of Obama a few years ago giving a lecture in Illinois on the perils of global warming that he drove to in his…gas-hog SUV. Or the kids of Barack and Michelle — pre-2008 — being sent to schools run NOT by the tax-supported public systems of Chicagoland, but by private, big-buck ones.

    Mark (411533)

  138. tifosa, it is your worldview that is built on fantasy. Obama’s efforts have not merely failed but created the worst recovery post recession in history.

    SPQR (e3ca6f)

  139. Not arguing that he’s done it all correctly. The election will be about the stark contrasts.

    tifosa (fed93f)

  140. When Republicans fall out of power, they get all screamy, whiny, impeachy… it’s a laugh. 😀

    tifosa (fed93f)

  141. I’ll just leave one more nugget, copy of my post from glennbeckistan: .” His policies have created more private sector jobs than IN ALL BUSH’S YEARS in office! Your taxes are the lowest they’ve been in over 50 YEARS! How about expansion of children’s health ins. and insuring more Americans, tax credits for new home buyers, Lilly Ledbetter (fair pay act for women,) VOLUNTARY disclosure of the names of the visitors to the WH, new hate crimes legislation, stopped torture of detainees, expansion of food safety, tobacco regulation, student loan/WallStreet/credit card reforms, lgst investments in clean energy and education EVAH, the stimulus (lgst taxcut EVAH and prevented another GREAT DEPRESSION,) improvemts in the GIBill, the long-overdue elimination of DADT, he put the cost of the wars ON THE BOOKS, signing the START treaty, and the largest elimination of AlQaeda operatives EVER, inc. Osama AND HIS THUMB DRIVES!
    Granted, there are things left, some of them on your list, like CLOSE GITMO, immigration and energy reforms, get our troops home, GET RID OF BUSH TAX CUTS!! And granted, there’s 20-some-odd% of Americans who HATE to see WallStreet regulated…but the majority of people believe that MILLIONAIRES DON’T CREATE A ROBUST ECONOMY, A ROBUST ECONOMY CREATES MILLIONAIRES!

    tifosa (fed93f)

  142. The” stark” contrasts will be between a president who lacked the necessary skills and experience and challengers who have those as well as a fundamental knowledge of economics. Quite stark.

    SPQR (e3ca6f)

  143. Against….?????

    tifosa (fed93f)

  144. Bachmann???

    tifosa (fed93f)

  145. hahahahaha ok catchya Wednesday kids!
    😀

    tifosa (fed93f)

  146. tifosa, it is hilarious how many of those” accomplishments you list haven’t happened.

    SPQR (e3ca6f)

  147. Tifosa and his gang don’t care how many people starve as long as the rich are marched to the gas chambers.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  148. Economists Timothy Conley, University of Western Ontario, and Bill Dupor of Ohio State University found that the stimulus resulted in a net loss of 595,000 jobs from April 2009 to September 2010

    a link to their actual report would be nice.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  149. a link to LGF would be nice

    FIFY

    DohBiden (d54602)

  150. Spartacvs’ pathetic act fools only himself.

    SPQR (e3ca6f)

  151. Look at all those jobs Food Stamps are creating!!!!!!11ty!!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  152. _______________________________________________

    When Republicans fall out of power, they get all screamy, whiny, impeachy… it’s a laugh.

    And when Democrats get into power, they become what? Limousine liberals? Latte leftists?

    Even if Obama were a rightist instead of an ultra-liberal (ie, Jeremiah Wright’s pal), I’d still be pissed off at the following. So the Lord and Lady of the White House Manor couldn’t be bothered to do something as simple as coordinating or reconciling their schedules?


    Daily.co.uk:

    Michelle Obama was revealed to have arrived at the Massachusetts retreat, only 500 miles from Washington, four hours before her husband yesterday. She was accompanied by their daughters and landed at around 2pm – four hours earlier than the President.

    The extra transport to get the the First Lady to the island for only a few more hours of vacation time will have cost taxpayers thousands in additional expenses.

    The costs related to Mrs Obama’s solo trip mainly include the flight on the specially designed military aircraft she took instead of Air Force One, as well as any extra staff and Secret Service that had to be enlisted to go with her. She would also have had her own motorcade from the airport to her vacation residence.

    The President had already drawn scorn for using two helicopters and Air Force One to get to Martha’s Vineyard.

    Barack and Michelle: “Let them eat cake!”

    Mark (411533)

  153. food stamps are awesome you can buy tasty watermelons and honey roasted peanuts and apricot preserves and roast beefs and greek yogurt and pork rinds and applesauce and taramasalata and kettle chips and spaghettini and wasabi gourmayo and coconut water and lunchables!

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  154. What is it about Obama lickspittles that they list his many “accomplishments” … and so many never happened. I don’t mean that the “accomplishment” is arguable, I mean it did not happen at all.

    Guantanamo bay is not closed and in fact there isn’t even a closure date set. Two and a half years after taking office. DADT is still the policy in the military because the administration still hasn’t certified that its repeal can take effect. If DADT is no longer in effect, it will be because of a Ninth Circuit decision in a case brought by Republicans …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  155. I’ll just leave one more nugget

    Is this, as another commenter observed about one of our other trolls,
    a “butt nugget”?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  156. So, tifosa went ALLCAPS while flouncing? SHOCKA

    AD – you were right.

    JD (318f81)

  157. SpartacBS hypocrite.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  158. The libyan rebels only love america because a dem is in office.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  159. I would like to see if they would make up their mind, is it government jobs or minimum wage jobs
    that is at the heart of what Obama wants to claim
    as his part of the Texas miracle, and why does it work so well in Texas, and not say California

    ian cormac (0bd903)

  160. this just in… Rambobama has just surrounded Ghagdaffi and is going in for the kill…

    ColonelHaiku (8211ab)

  161. Oops….

    “…[B]ased on 2009 IRS figures,…the number of taxpayers reporting annual income over $1 million fell 39 percent between 2007 and 2009; the number of super-wealthy individuals making over $10 million annually plunged 55 percent.

    The carnage wasn’t confined to millionaires. The number of taxpayers earning over $200,000 per year also decreased by 612,000 – or 13 percent…”

    Damn, how disloyal is that?
    How dare they not make as much money as before.

    John Galt, call your service.
    H/T- Powerline

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  162. Another Drew – 2008, ring a bell?

    Spartacvs (9a5563)

  163. Spartac does 2010 ring a bell or are the voters just racist zionazis?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  164. 2008?
    Oh, Yes.
    The great financial collapse brought on by the disastrous policies promulgated under CRA, and enabled by the Dem pols running Fannie and Freddie.
    All while being protected by their paid hand-maidens upon Capitol Hill;
    The favoured few included Chris Dodd (#1` on the Fannie hit-parade for campaign contributions), Barney Frank, Barack Obama (#2 on that cc list), and of course, the leaders of the House (Nancy Pelosi) and the Senate (Harry Reid)…
    I’m starting to detect a pattern here.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  165. Huh, I woulda thought Soros BlogBucks could buy a better grade of talent than tifosa and Spartacvs. Maybe if Georgie has to reach that low for help, it’s a sign the economy IS improving.

    Here’s the deal, babies. Obama and his knucklehead policies aren’t helping things, but Bammy didn’t cause the recession, even if it seems politically expedient to say so. He may be contributing further impediments to recovery, but it won’t be robust no matter what. We’re in a “reap the whirlwind” situation, and have been for quite a long time: we’re only just doing the reaping part now. Why?

    The US is up against aggressive mercantilist policies from Asia and we aren’t responding in a realistic fashion. And we’re managing our internal affairs stupidly. And fighting expensive pointless wars. Our economy is over-reliant on consumption, distribution, and services: “post-industrial” has its drawbacks. Granted we are still strong in manufacturing in absolute terms, but on our current trajectory we will continue to slip, unless and until we awaken and recognize the true nature of the forces arrayed against us. Meantime our insane immigration policies are not helping matters. The American people are susidizing their own destruction.

    Think of the W Bush economy: over-reliance on the housing, construction, and finance sectors. Housing is not a productive asset, yet we acted as if it were. This is casino thinking.

    Obama is not at all good for America. Neither was W. And yet the fault, dear Brutus, is not in our rock stars, but in ourselves.

    d. in c. (ae55d7)

  166. Damn, how disloyal is that?
    How dare they not make as much money as before.

    This is another situation where basic math just doesn’t work in the progressives’ favor.

    If the government took every single penny from “the rich,” (those making $200,000 or more, according to Obama) we could pay down the deficit–for exactly one year.

    What happens the year after that? “The Rich” now have no more money to give, and the bills aren’t going away.

    The financial situation won’t get resolved unless we can slash government spending back to 1960 levels–raw or inflation-adjusted, doesn’t matter, they’re both lower on a per capita basis. Yeah, that would mean nuking the Great Society, but I’m fine with that. I’d even be willing to cut defense spending, and pulling all of our troops out of the Middle East and BRACing our European bases would work just fine as a starter for that.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  167. Spurty is but one of the mopes who still vote for the party that:

    * Fought to keep slavery legal.
    * Founded the KKK.
    * Imposed Jim Crow laws.
    * Created the Jim Crow Minstrel to boot
    (Thomas D. Rice – D)
    * Imposed the Dred Scott Decision.
    * Revoked special field order 15, or “40
    Acres and a Mule.
    * Revoked federal positions for blacks.
    * Pro segregation in schools and military.

    All these things Democrats were for and Republicans against.

    http://bighollywood.breitbart.com/arachel/2011/08/19/janeane-garofalo-upholds-the-racist-traditions-of-the-democratic-party/

    ColonelHaiku (8211ab)

  168. When Republicans fall out of power, they get all screamy, whiny, impeachy… it’s a laugh.

    That has to be one of the most unself-aware comments I’ve ever seen.

    In an ocean of retards, tifosa, you truly are Poseidon.

    Another Chris (c983db)

  169. The great financial collapse brought on by the disastrous policies promulgated under CRA, and enabled by the Dem pols running Fannie and Freddie.

    Hey, if you really believe that crap, I have a potentially lucrative investment position in a bridge in Brooklyn you might be interested in.

    Spartacvs (9a5563)

  170. Do you dispute that played a role in the financial crisis?

    JD (318f81)

  171. Another Chris – careful, no naked flames with all that straw you’re erecting.

    Spartacvs (9a5563)

  172. This has been epic BUNNIES from tifosa and spurty.

    JD (318f81)

  173. Spurty calling someone else out for strawmen is rich. Also note how it ignores that taking every penny from those making 200k+ doesn’t even fix the structural problems for a full year.

    JD (318f81)

  174. I certainly dispute the wing nut meme that either the CRA or F&F played any significant role worth debating.

    Spartacvs (9a5563)

  175. Also note how it ignores that taking every penny from those making 200k+ doesn’t even fix the structural problems for a full year.

    More straw, from the straw man.

    Spartacvs (9a5563)

  176. 179…Deliberate Stupidity!
    Must be a product of a public-school education, with graduate work courtesy of Mr. Rogers (or was it Mr. Ed?).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  177. So, sporty the sudden economist, what did indeed cause the problems we’re in. I think I know your response, but we can all laugh when you say it.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  178. I certainly dispute the wing nut meme that either the CRA or F&F played any significant role worth debating.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/21/2011 @ 6:23 pm

    Not that it was up for debate, As it has long since been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, but you just admitted that you are proud of your ignorance.

    How much money could you raise if you stole every penny from everyone making over 200k, spurty?

    JD (318f81)

  179. stupidicvs rex
    the King of Stupidity
    a liberal natch

    ColonelHaiku (8211ab)

  180. Spartac your one to talk about strawman you psycho.

    And I certainly dispute the jew haters who claim Bush created this deficit despite being out office for 31 months.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  181. I certainly dispute the wing nut meme that either the CRA or F&F played any significant role worth debating.

    Given how often things you claim as “facts” turn out not to be true, Spartacvs, your “dispute” ain’t worth crap.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  182. ==I certainly dispute the wing nut meme that either the CRA or F&F played any significant role worth debating==

    Reckless Endangerment–a great new book. You might want to read it before you spout out your nonsense and look even more like a total idiot.

    elissa (70aa6d)

  183. look even more like a total idiot.

    I would think that would be an achievment even the greatest gladiator in the world would not be able to achieve, and for this poor imitation?
    Impossible!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  184. Not that it was up for debate, As it has long since been proven beyond a reasonable doubt

    Then I expect there’s a link to that proof JD, if you’re not to embarrassed to produce it.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  185. AD – I had a 2 mile lake swim earlier, and despite the difficulty, it was blissful in the lack of idiocy from the likes of spurty and tifosa, or MFM blather.

    JD (318f81)

  186. Well, we have to find our bliss where we can.
    As for me, I do around 8-miles on my bike 3 or 4 days a week – it helps to organize the mind and sweep out the cobwebs.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  187. We are certainly open to any information to the contrary, spartacvs. However, you offer nothing but evidence to reinforce the obvious conclusions.

    JD (318f81)

  188. AD – the bike leg is the only one I do not struggle with. I just got a new time trial bike, and it is fast fast fast.

    JD (318f81)

  189. I would like to see a link from sporty the sudden google master.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  190. A demand for a link from the troll that supplies links that in fact prove his opponents’ points for them.

    Hilarious.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  191. If you don’t have the money to buy the book Reckless Endangerment, Spurty, they prolly have a copy you could borrow at a library somewhere near you. It’s a little more thorough than a link from one of your lefty blogs. I am not being facetious. You really should familiarize yourself with the actual circumstances and complexities of the economic crisis if you are going to persist in trolling the intertubes.

    elissa (70aa6d)

  192. JD, never was much of a swimmer, and the knees are to the point that running is not going to be engaged in (unless there’s a large brown involved – but if I were in Bear Country, he’d have something to worry about too); so, for just general exercise, I do an 8-mi loop here in the city where I can do half of it on a bike-way.
    Got to get my cardio in.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  193. elissa, it would behoove our proud gladiator to also pick up a copy of Amity Shlaes’ The Forgotten Man to learn a new, and more accurate perspective on the events of The Great Depression.
    It’s even written to a level that even he might comprehend, though the footnotes can be confusing.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  194. Proud gladiator? Only in his own mind. He reminds me more of Daryl and his other brother Daryl.

    elissa (70aa6d)

  195. Reckless Endangerment – or how reckless loans made to poor minorities brought down the titans of Wall St. And plunged the nation into a deep recession – racist lunacy of the worst kind, no surprise it has a big following here. No surprise at all.

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  196. You’re right to be suspicious Spurty. Bill Moyers is one of our heroes here.

    “Even before Reckless Endangerment, Gretchen Morgenson was my nominee for Reporter of the Decade for her forensic and prophetic coverage of Wall Street. Now, she and the equally talented sleuth Joshua Rosner, like Holmes and Dr. Watson, have pieced together the clues to a seminal mystery of the financial debacle: how American taxpayers were suckered by the shenanigans, greed, egos, back scratching, and guile of financial and political elites who swarmed like vultures around Fannie Mae, picking it clean of oversight and accountability while its executives gorged themselves on the spoils. Naming names and taking no prisoners, they drill deep into one of the most disturbing scandals of our time, perpetrated in the name of helping “the little guy.” Read it and weep. Read it and vow: Never Again!—Bill Moyers, journalist, and President, Schumann Media Center

    elissa (70aa6d)

  197. Spvrty’s cardio is making knuckle babies.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  198. Is Hax’s Dumber Brother still posting his nonsense? He is truly pathetic.

    Simon Jester (c7bf9d)

  199. Spartacvs, how amusing that everything you don’t understand is “racist”.

    Its the kind of refuge I expect from the ignorant.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  200. Personally, I think that HDB is getting tired.

    “…racist lunacy of the worst kind, no surprise it has a big following here…”

    I mean, calling people here racist—would you include Patterico and Aaron and Karl in that, little troll?—is a sure fire route to a well deserved banning.

    And such a ban wouldn’t be part of an echo chamber. You are nothing if not an echo of Media Matters, for example. There is far more diversity of opinion here than among your silly cohort.

    Pathetic.

    Simon Jester (c7bf9d)

  201. AD #200: remember that HDB snarked about Shlaes’ book. Because he is so much smarter and well read.

    Notice, of course, he cannot even debate details. That’s because he hasn’t read the book. He just knows what MM tells him to think.

    But the echo chamber is here.

    SIlly little troll.

    Simon Jester (c7bf9d)

  202. Well, once he stops being amusing, he will always have pathetic.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (c036f1)

  203. Racist nonsense

    Dean Baker: “There’s a small problem in this story. The worst junk mortgages that inflated the housing bubble to extraordinary levels were not bought and securitized by Fannie and Freddie, they were securitized by Citigroup, Merrill Lynch, Goldman Sachs, Lehman and the other private investment banks. These investment banks gobbled up the worst subprime and Alt-A garbage that sleaze operations like Ameriquest and Countrywide pushed on homebuyers.”

    Spartacvs (d05556)

  204. Awwww, the little one brought his mother. Mother Jones.

    elissa (70aa6d)

  205. Dude everything to Spartac is racist.

    How is that racist I don’t hear black people being blamed do you?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  206. “Gretchen Morgenson and Josh Rosner show us how, over the last fifteen years, the mortgage lending industry used money and political influence to escape regulation, enrich itself, and create a catastrophe. Particularly in its dissection of Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and their enablers, this book is unmatched in its depth and invaluable to anyone interested in the causes and lessons of the financial crisis.”—Charles Ferguson, Academy award-winning director of Inside Job

    elissa (70aa6d)

  207. SpartacBS is no fan of the first amendment which is why he believes that the race card is perfectly alright.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  208. ____________________________________________

    The great financial collapse brought on by the disastrous policies promulgated under CRA, and enabled by the Dem pols running Fannie and Freddie. All while being protected by their paid hand-maidens upon Capitol Hill;

    Your cast of characters in the banking debacle that goes back several years needs to be updated to include Obama’s Attorney General, and it also definitely needs to be expressed in present-tense terms.

    Townhall.com, August 2011:

    The Department of Justice is executing a “Witch Hunt” against banks. Through the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division, Attorney General Eric Holder is forcing banks to “relax their mortgage underwriting standards and approve loans for minorities with poor credit as part of a new crackdown on alleged discrimination,” according to a published report by Investor’s Business Daily after reviewing court documents.

    The DOJ has already extorted $20 million for weak and poor credit loans from banks that “settled out of court rather than battle the federal government and risk being branded racist.” The DOJ admits another 60 banks are already under “investigation.” Holder’s demanding the banks sign “non-disclosure” settlement agreements barring them from talking while allowing the DOJ to operate behind a curtain of secrecy.

    The settlements already extracted from banks force them to make “prime-rate mortgages to low income blacks and Hispanics” with credit problems, even if they are living on welfare. According to IBD, the DOJ has ordered banks to advertise that minorities cannot be turned down for a loan “because they receive public aid, such as unemployment benefits, welfare payments or food stamps.” No job; no problem!

    In other words, the DOJ is forcing banks to make loans to people that they know don’t qualify for them and likely won’t be able to afford to repay them, which is precisely the kind of failed public policy that precipitated the financial collapse and recession in 2008.

    Mark (411533)

  209. “There’s a small problem in this story.”

    The problem is that Dean Baker and Kevin Drum don’t understand Fannie and Freddie facilitated the development of the non-GSE market for subprime and Alt-A mortgages. That is what the problem is. Like Spvrty, they are idiots.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  210. daley–I can sort of understand how a person can hang on to a failed candidate or a lost cause if it’s one they’ve been emotionally invested in or have contributed money to. But for the life of me I can’t figure out the rationale for somebody defending to the death a bureaucratic entity, a GSE, for gosh sakes. Going to the mat for Freddie and Fannie? I mean what kind of person even does that?

    elissa (70aa6d)

  211. Non-partisan community organizing groups such as NACA and ACORN Housing were able to extort billions of dollars of subprime lending commitments out of banks under the CRA. The loans were initially sold to Democrat friendly managers at Fannie and Freddie, who cooked the books at those GSEs. Later other credit enhancement tools developed which enabled lenders to bypass the GSEs in selling their loans.

    Now in a beautiful irony, folks like NACA are suing banks for making the types of predatory loans they extorted them into making in the first place. Nothing wrong with this picture. Move along.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  212. elissa – I was pretty close to it and most people commenting on it really do know jack sh*t. Dems are trying to cover their butts, even Bent Dick Bill admitted that.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  213. Fannie and Freddie were operating way outside their original charters. They sicced their enormous army of lobbyists on anyone who tried to rein them in and absolutely had Dems in their pockets and scared a lot of Republicans with some very very hardball tactics.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  214. Well, I do really love my dog but I don’t think I’d vote for her as President. No matter how cute and no matter how well behaved.

    cedarhill (742618)

  215. @cedarhill. How racist of you comparing Obama to your dog?? What’s the matter? Scared to compare him with your monkey? :)

    The Emperor (5647ed)

  216. To answer the question of the post, I think it goes both ways. The favorability of a president can affect the way people view his job approval. We as humans are disposed to see people the way we want to see them. If we like them we tend to be subjective about the way we view their lives and work. If we dislike them nothing they do will be enough. So the most important thing is to be liked. So in Obama’s case, those who like him will still vote for him, notwithstanding his job ratings. And those who hate him won’t still vote for him even if his job rating hits 90!It’s a likeability war. On the other hand, consistent failure might affect ones likeability over time.

    The Emperor (5647ed)

  217. spurt your sweat shine sweet
    and strong but we know there’s a
    part that’s not screwed on

    ColonelHaiku (8211ab)

  218. Trolls gather to this blog
    Fears of two thousand twelve grow
    Bad penny returns

    Simon Jester (c7bf9d)

  219. It’s a wonder, really the likes of Gzmendi’s (sic)
    Greenlining institure, featured in ‘Inside Job’
    presented as the firemen, were much more like their
    role in Fahrenheit 451, setting the place ablaze.

    One can’t forgot that Obama early on, in a little remarked case against Citicorp, brought the first
    can of gasoline,

    ian cormac (0bd903)

  220. Another Chris – careful, no naked flames with all that straw you’re erecting.

    Sparty- careful, you don’t want to expose your inability to do basic math yet again.

    Another Chris (6c8528)

  221. You really should familiarize yourself with the actual circumstances and complexities of the economic crisis if you are going to persist in trolling the intertubes.

    Asking Sparty to read anything more complex than “Hop on Pop” is probably asking too much.

    Another Chris (6c8528)

  222. “One can’t forgot that Obama early on, in a little remarked case against Citicorp, brought the first
    can of gasoline,”

    ian – Really quite a scam.

    Extort lenders into making loans to unqualified buyers.

    Unqualified buyers default on loans in large numbers.

    File suit against bankers for making predatory loans.

    WINNING!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)


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