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8/16/2011

MSNBC, ABC smear Perry as racist: They waited this long?

Filed under: General — Karl @ 3:24 pm



[Posted by Karl]

If it’s the second full day of TX Gov. Rick Perry’s presidential nomination campaign, it must be time for the establishment media to deal the race card.  It’s posted a few places now, so I’ll send you to Allahpundit for the video of MSNBC’s Ed Schultz deceptively editing video of Gov. Perry saying a “big black cloud” hangs over the country.  Perry is referring to the debt, but MSNBC edited the video — and ABC News’ Michael Falcone and Arlette Saenz baldly quote Perry out of context — to suggest Perry was referring to Pres. Obama.

Having just written about the establishment media’s new obsession with discrediting Perry, I was loath to immediately return to the subject.  However, there are good reasons to do so.  First, this example is even worse, as Perry’s comment was completely non-controversial.  Second, to emphasize Allahpundit’s point that we have another 14 months of the left and the stablishment media hearing racist dog-whistles ahead of us.  Third, following from the second point and my prior post, it is to be expected precisely because the President Obama, the Democrats, the left and the establishment media have virtually nothing to run on.  Killing Osama bin Laden is about the only broadly popular issue Obama can raise, which is why Hollywood is rushing a movie out two weeks before the election.  If the economy remains largely stalled — as most think it will — they have nothing else.  And it won’t be enough to get Obama to 270 electoral votes.  Thus, the ritualized demonization of any possible opponent.

Update: MSNBC’s Chris “Tingles” Matthews says Perry “could be Bull Connor with a smile.”

Update 2:  The ABC News story now states: “Perry warned that a ‘big black cloud’ – the national debt – hangs over the country.”  The story adds “This post has been updated” — without noting that what was added was “the national debt.”

Update 3: Ed Schultz apologizes for editing the video… but not for the bogus charge of racism. Stay classy, MSNBC!

–Karl

165 Responses to “MSNBC, ABC smear Perry as racist: They waited this long?”

  1. MSNBC’s Ed Schultz

    Stupid is, as Stupid does.
    And Ed, has been Stuck on Stupid for years.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  2. The Left’s worst nightmare…

    They make the movie for $50MM or so, it tanks at the box office (even free tickets won’t fill the seats),
    and people are further reminded why they are disgusted with this administration’s reckless spending, borrowing, and prevaricating.
    Then, they look at the unemployment numbers that come out the Friday before the election…

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  3. Rick Perry must really scare them. Imagine the hate a Perry/Ryan 2012 ticket would generate.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  4. #3,
    It makes me smile a bit.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  5. I think Ryan would make a crackerjack OMB Director in a Perry Administration.
    He could do a lot more valuable work there than presiding over the “cat house” known as The Senate.

    For real over-the-top angst, a Perry/Palin ticket.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  6. You mean tingles moved on from his tuxedo and boots fixation? Because that had Pulitzer written all over it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  7. You know, I think “Tingles” should ensure that his travel itineraries avoid any stops in the Lone Star State after that remark –
    some casual bystander might take extreme umbrage with his presence.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  8. Denounced. Denounced and condemned.

    Note how they are actually doing what they falsely accuse others of doing.

    Racists

    JD (0d2ffc)

  9. A story Preston won’t be retweeting.

    koam @wittier (7b067e)

  10. And, we’re absolutely certain Osama bin Laden is dead because…………someone completely untrustworthy and hugely self-interested said so but then strangely refused to prove it, or even to show us a picture of the deceased terrorist mastermind, next possible eyewitnesses died under somewhat curious circumstances. Hummmmm.

    ropelight (c63139)

  11. @8
    Note how they are actually doing what they falsely accuse others of doing.

    To be fair, they only do that on days of the week ending in “y”.

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  12. #7


    You know, I think “Tingles” should ensure that his travel itineraries avoid any stops in the Lone Star State after that remark –
    some casual bystander might take extreme umbrage with his presence.

    Pretty unthinking thing to post on the blog of someone who has recently had to deal with ugly threats. Chris Mathews should be able to travel anywhere in America without fear of being subjected to violence over his opinions. I’m confident there is no jurisdiction in Texas that would let such violence go unpunished.

    angeleno (e91900)

  13. Ropelight, @10: al Qaeda confirmed OBL’s death. Since they have very little incentive to lie about such a confirmation, I think it’s reasonable to conclude that it really happened.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  14. Sure thing aphrael, al Qaeda is universally regarded as an infallible source.

    ropelight (c63139)

  15. It makes me smile a bit.

    Comment by Machinist — 8/16/2011 @ 3:34 pm

    Care to share some Johnnie Blue with me along with our schadenfreude, Sir Mac 😉

    The more they flip out, the bigger my grin…

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  16. Taking umbrage now means violence? BS

    APHRAEL in the house !

    JD (822109)

  17. ABC Evening News just did a segment on the flashmobs that are vandalizing and stealing from stores across the country and the flashmobs attacking innocents at public events and tourist areas such as Philadelphia and the Wisconsin State Fair. The piece had lots of video and cellphone pictures which showed clearly who the rampaging criminal hooligans are–and surprisingly even mentioned that “some” of the attacks had a “racial component”.

    I am well and truly concerned about the cumulative psychological effects of these thug mobs on normally law abiding citizens, coupled with the agenda driven media’s race bating and unfounded accusations of racism toward candidates. This is going to get very ugly before 2012. I do not think the police or the citizenry in America are going to let our cities burn like London and the banlieus of Paris, but it’s going to get ugly.

    elissa (ba6b85)

  18. Comment by angeleno — 8/16/2011 @ 4:00 pm

    Texans believe in personal responsibility.
    If anyone was so brash to confront “Tingles”, I’m sure he/she would be cognizant of what is involved.
    You seem to think that an angry word of rebuke is an assault – many of us think that it is a deserved response to such an unthinking thing as to accuse someone of being “Bull Conner” (and all that that entails) without a shred of proof or justification.
    All I’m saying is that “Tingles” should avoid letting his mouth write any checks his a$$ can’t cash – in any manner.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  19. Brightfart finds a nugget.

    Not nice, obviously I don’t condone the likes of MSNBC or ABC adopting Brightfart’s modus operandi. Ed schultz, MSNBC and ABC should at minimum issue an on-air apology for the misleading segment they aired.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  20. as Obama destroys businesses small, medium and large… as he destroys jobs or does his best to create conditions for them to move overseas, we can only look forward to the media going into full attack mode. They fool only themselves if they think the majority of Americans aren’t fully aware of their game.

    Anything they can do to try to divert attention away from the sorry-assed record of the Obama administration.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  21. Well, Mr. Passive chimes in;
    when will we hear from Mr. Aggressive?

    Are we sure the evil TP’ers didn’t make them do it?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  22. In an interview on Fox News, Rove said today that Perry “is going to have to fight the impression that he’s a cowboy from Texas. This simply added to it.”*

    Rove is sort of a whore I think

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  23. Ropelight: nonsense, al Qaeda isn’t universally regarded as reliable.

    however, there’s a general rule that when someone makes a public statement which is obviously not in their interest, it is more likely than not true.

    claiming that the US killed OBL is not, generally speaking, in al Qaeda’s interest. it would much rather have everyone believe that OBL is still out there, leading the jihad against the evil Americans, thumbing his nose at our incompetence and arrogance.

    so, if the US has announced that we’ve killed OBL, and al Qaeda *agrees*, then it’s probably true. At the very least, I think that shifts the burden on the doubter to back up their doubts with some sort of substantiation.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  24. look for diverticulitis to continue his diversionary tactics… his stench is making me clench.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  25. Ed Shultz needs a good 12 step program and New Horizons.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  26. aphrael, ropelight @ 16 was using just a touch of sarcasm.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  27. Another Drew – yeah, he was. But he was also missing the point. :)

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  28. Col, how about a good size-12 brogan to his backsides?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  29. Well, AQ has made many statements over the years that have had varying relationships to the truth.
    They have, FTMP, been reduced to “noise”, sort of like MSNBC.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  30. One thing we don’t need are the remnants of the GWB administration telling us who is acceptable as a candidate, what constitutes rude or otherwise unacceptable behavior or anything else. They helped to create the conditions that led to this incompetent leader of the Pity Party’s election and it’s been an absolute disaster for America.

    Just go away.

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  31. They don’t care if they have to retract. They already have their Republican racists meme out there.

    JD (2da347)

  32. roll out the Shultzie
    we’ll have a barrel of laughs
    wet-brained uberdouche

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  33. Why aphrael, are you claiming the burden of proof resides somewhere other than with the ones who said they killed Osama bin Laden?

    They made the claim, let them prove it.

    Seriously, now, who has the evidence, and who is in a position to prove their claims?

    Cut the crap. You know better.

    ropelight (c63139)

  34. First racism now “dominionism”

    The AxelPlouffie journolistas are busy in the pigpen.

    Vnjagvet (cf1fc3)

  35. Vnj – the trolls have been pushing that all day. They have their talking points from the unholy trinity of thinkregress, mediamatterz, and rawstory.

    JD (109425)

  36. O/T, but maybe not…
    The Winner of the Powerline Prize was “Doorbell“!

    I wonder when we’ll see it in a campaign commercial?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  37. but rope!… Obama
    made the brave call no one else
    could/would ever make!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  38. The Obama media had all this Perry info in the can, just waiting for him to announce. They could hardly wait to start spewing.

    PatAZ (da3db7)

  39. The folks obsessing over “dominionism” had no issue with 20 years of black liberation theology.

    They. Got. Nothing.

    Karl (37b303)

  40. Ropelight: i’m saying that the combination of the US saying they offed OBL and al Qaeda *agreeing* is enough for me. Al Qaeda’s certification of a fact which is harmful to them is enough, in my mind, to corroborate the claim made by the US. This is especially true since the US and al Qaeda cannot be presumed to be colluding; absent collusion between them, the likelihood that both of them would simultaneously lie about it – and that al Qaeda would lie in a way which *hurts them* – is so small as to render the claim that they are an “extraordinary claim” deserving extraordinary proof.

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  41. Hey, Hax’s Dumber Brother:

    “… Ed schultz, MSNBC and ABC should at minimum issue an on-air apology for the misleading segment they aired….”

    I’m more interested in your apology for lies and slanders you have written on this blog, and then run away from like the lazy and ignorant troll you are.

    Man up or go away.

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  42. aphrael @ 4:45 pm, I’m well aware that you’re willing to accept the combined assurance of Obama and al Qaeda for the reasons you list. I’m not.

    You may consider my position on the matter as somewhat akin to that of Missouri’s Congressman Willard Vandiver when he famously said “…frothy eloquence neither convinces or satisfies, I’m from Missouri. You have to show me.”

    ropelight (c63139)

  43. So I’m curious, then: does your skepticism apply in general to the analytical theory that a statement against interest is likely to be truthful, or just to this specific instance?

    If it’s just this specific interest, why?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  44. Rove is sort of a whore I think

    Comment by happyfeet — 8/16/2011 @ 4:19 pm

    I’m amazed at his comment. I shouldn’t be, I guess, but I really am.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  45. Aggies are not racist. Heck Perry was in the Corp of cadets and one of five yell leaders for Texas A&M. All are traditionally men… I would like him to become the yell leader in chief, channeling Reagan’s hope and optimism for our country! Think he could take some of his successes like tort reform nationally and the whole country would benefit…
    Just saying!
    I have heard some of his speeches that sound like Reagan and Palin. She would make a great VP, maybe second term? Put Cain or Rubio or even better Ryan as VP. Guiliani to replace Holder and clean up the mess at Justice like he did NYC! We have a wealth of young new talent just wanting to help our country recover from Obamanomics.

    Texas Mom 2012 (cee89f)

  46. –Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/16/2011 @ 4:11 pm–

    That sounds like a delightful plan, Ma’am. I must admit, they are already more hysterical than I expected. That ticket would just make heads explode for sure.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  47. aphrael, in general, I don’t regard a statement against interest, in the absence of definitive evidence, as being either more or less likely to be truthful. I regard it as a matter for further inquiry.

    ropelight (c63139)

  48. Bet that HDB isn’t reading carefully. Again. After all, why should anyone take anything you link to seriously, given your performance art?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  49. Simon, he wants reactions. I’m not arguing to ignore him because he will inevitably get nastier until he gets his attention, but his arguments are not intended to make sense. Quite the contrary.

    Aphrael, I agree with your reasoning on AQ and OBL, however some reject them out of hand and note that the circumstances of OBL’s death are very suspicious. I do not believe in conspiracy theories about this, but they disposed of the proof in the dead of night and their story evolved.

    The truth is they just didn’t handle this triumph with solid leadership and seriousness. They (the admin) actually seem to be a parasite sucking credit from those who really deserve it. Because of their failure, many in the world will entertain suspicions something about the OBL story is a lie.

    We have to act as though our propaganda efforts hit many who do not trust us. We didn’t, in this case, and it’s a blessing that AQ was willing to agree OBL was gone. No doubt, this was for security reasons.

    So consider that, too. In our handling rush, we probably lost some opportunities.

    but hindsight is 20:20. I’m proud of the OBL success and how relentless we were as a country.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  50. Man up or go away.

    Comment by Simon Jester — 8/16/2011 @ 4:45 pm

    Didn’t leave poor Spittlepvs much wiggle room, there Simon 😉

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  51. Karl’s update reports that “MSNBC’s Chris “Tingles” Matthews says Perry “could be Bull Connor with a smile.”

    Matthews apparently overlooks the inconvenient fact that Bull Connor was a lifelong Democrat, just like “Tingles.”

    ropelight (c63139)

  52. Presidential Race Election Rules

    – Only people from Chicago can make mention of “the Chicago way” in any form, no matter how obviously rhetorical or funny. (“We bring guns” is allowed only if your initials are Barach Obama)

    – Realize that unless you are a Republican, “facts” don’t have to be true. (Just saw a Dem accuse Perry of working for Gore in 2000)

    – Remember that “Palinization” (otherwise known as “Advanced Borking”) is to be expected. Right now they aren’t even able to focus on one target yet.

    – Expect a release of the recently discovered “The Protocols of the Elders of Republicanism”.

    – As anti-Repub claims come to resemble, then be more outrageous than The Onion articles, how will we be able to tell them apart?

    (Aside, listening to Obama and other Dems talking about the financial irresponsibility of Republican Congressmen is like… I’m out of descriptors)

    I’ve seen more mention of Ryan running for president. He has one proven credential, that in a face to face with Obama, he gets under Obama’s skin, it’s obvious to see, and Ryan is seen as the one who knows what he is talking about. The face to face debate, no matter what Obama brings to it, needs to be won by the Repub.

    Looking to see what the results are of todays Wisconsin recall.

    MD in Philly (91c28c)

  53. I have encountered many Democrats, especially younger ones, who are so ignorant about that, they think I am lying to them when I point out that Connor, Wallace, and Maddox were Democrats. I guess we will soon be teaching kids that Lincoln was a Democrat and the evil Republicans in the South wanted to succeed.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  54. Breitbart exposes NBC…
    Ed Schultz used a deceptive edit to misinform his audience about the content of Gov. Rick Perry’s speech in Iowa yesterday. Schultz claimed that Gov. Perry was calling President Obama a “black cloud hanging over America” when in fact, the governor was talking about the national debt.”
    http://www.breitbart.tv/outrage-nbc-news-ed-schultz-uses-deceptive-edit-to-paint-rick-perry-as-racist/

    H/T- Instapundit

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  55. Sadly, Machinist, that is true. I think that our new Establishment likes people not to read and think about history. Seriously, have you read Zinn’s tripe?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  56. Do you tell them about Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” Machinist?

    angeleno (e91900)

  57. Is that kind of like a “Chicago Strategy”?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  58. Ah, that argument has been so discredited, it’s no longer even worth dealing with.
    You might as well have just cried: Bunnies!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  59. 61/59

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  60. Comment by Simon Jester — 8/16/2011 @ 5:47 pm–

    No, but I am familiar with it. You name it well, Sir.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  61. BTW, I agree that Schulz is out of line. Perry’s metaphors may be stale, but there’s no reasonable basis for imputing racism over talk of a “black cloud,” an extremely common expression to describe concern over the future. It’s a smear and ridiculous. Breitbart is not always wrong. He’s right on this one.

    angeleno (e91900)

  62. angeleno, if you’re so concerned about the rhetoric being toned down, why don’t you start with Chris “Bull Connor remark” Matthews himself?

    Icy Texan (9cf674)

  63. Or Biden agreeing with calling Republicans terrorists.

    JD (318f81)

  64. Fair enough, Icy Texan. I don’t see any justification for Mathews’ remark. I dislike Perry, but see nothing in his career that resembles Bull Connors, his trashing of civil rights or his violent suppression of demonstrations in Birmingham.

    Mathews’ remark is unfair to Perry. And the suggestion that he should be subject to violence if he visits Texas remains out of bounds.

    angeleno (e91900)

  65. Machinist, here’s a few interesting tidbits on the political career of one of America’s most prominent racists, Democrat George C Wallace.

    He served four terms as the Democrat Governor of Alabama, and he ran for U.S. president four times, running officially as a Democrat three times, and once as the nominee of the American Independent Party.

    To be fair, Wallace did renounce segregation in 1972 and he later apologized to blacks for standing in the school house door.

    ropelight (c63139)

  66. Wo suggested violence? Taking umbrage is not a call to violence. This leftist bibble babble is tiresome, given what you throw at us. Giffords, Norway, punch back twice as hard, we will kill Romney, racist, terrorist, teabaggerz, and on and on and on and on ….

    JD (318f81)

  67. Mr. Governor Perry will create jobs for you no matter what race you are or whether you’re gay and he doesn’t care what your religion is either. Jobs jobs jobs he just likes to make them. You can’t say the same about America’s useless and cowardly president.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  68. I think this is a golden moment and opportunity for President Obama to step up and remind the nation – especially as the campaigning picks up steam – that we are a post-racial nation.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  69. Democrats and the liberal media (BIRM) are now operating in full panic mode over the 2012 election. I hope the Democrats run Obama.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  70. Comment by angeleno — 8/16/2011 @ 6:07 pm

    Hey, Richard Cranium, where did I say anything about violence?

    “You know, I think “Tingles” should ensure that his travel itineraries avoid any stops in the Lone Star State after that remark –
    some casual bystander might take extreme umbrage with his presence.”

    Please, point it out to me.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  71. Comment by Dana — 8/16/2011 @ 6:12 pm

    …and he should repeat his calls for civility –
    so that we can remind him of what he said in ’07-’08.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)


  72. This leftist bibble babble is tiresome, given what you throw at us. Giffords, Norway, punch back twice as hard, we will kill Romney, racist, terrorist, teabaggerz, and on and on and on and on ….

    You talking to me, JD?

    I think the Giffords shooter is clearly a schizophrenic. This was not a political shooting.

    The killer in Norway is a right-wing ideologue, but that doesn’t suffice to explain his violence. Nor do the actions of this one individual by themselves discredit right-wing views.

    I think “extortion” would provide a better metaphor than “terror” for what the Tea Party faction did in the debt ceiling debate.

    I don’t approve of the use of “teabagging” to describe the Tea Party. I can see why conservatives find it very offensive.

    I think anyone who threatens violence against Romney or any other candidate should get a visit from the Secret Service.

    Anything else?

    You’ll excuse me, I’m off to an event with family members.

    angeleno (e91900)

  73. “Everybody who runs for president, it probably takes them a little bit of time before they start realizing that this isn’t like running for governor or running for senator or running for Congress, and you’ve got to be a little more careful about what you say,” Obama said on CNN’s “The Situation Room with Wolf Blitzer.”

    I suppose those remarks back in ’08 about bringing a gun to a knife-fight, and getting in people’s faces, must have been in that period where he hadn’t quite realized he wasn’t running for Senator.

    H/T- Instapundit

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  74. Mr. Governor Perry hasn’t said anything wrong… he’s doing a great job in fact and oh my gosh he’s scaring the piss out of bumble.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  75. Or what that Massachussetts congressman, who said a little blood was in order, cApuano, right

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  76. –Comment by ropelight — 8/16/2011 @ 6:09 pm–

    I remember, Sir. The civil rights marches happened at a time I was just becoming aware of such issues. I remember how embarrassed my parents were to have to explain prejudice and bigotry to me, like the first time you have to explain to a child about molesters, adults who would want to hurt a child. I had grown up in a home without hearing racial slurs and the like.

    I remembered quite well some of the Southerners saying how it was unfair to put black children in school with white children as they were not smart enough to compete. I found bitter irony in hearing black leaders say the very same words in the Prop. 209 debates in California many years later. I don’t know how to say how sad it made me.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  77. Wallace was not a good word in our home.

    Machinist (b6f7da)

  78. Boy howdy, I’m tellin’ ya, Perry Derangement Syndrome™ has the potential to make the earlier Bush and Palin variants seem like relatively minor maladies in comparison. On election night in November 2012, I would advise you against standing anywhere within the blast radius of liberal heads when the returns are announced; serious injury or death from flying skull fragments may occur.

    The liberal tears are going to taste so delicious on that night and for many nights thereafter.

    And I am so very, very thirsty.

    Major Kong (f4574f)

  79. Well, Machinist, here’s a little something on the lighter side of Southern Democrat politics.

    Following the end of Lester Maddox’s term as Democrat Governor of Georgia, and in debt from a failed attempt to win another elected office, Maddox began a new career in nightclub comedy.

    In 1977 Maddox and his former employee, Afirican-American Bobby Lee Sears, who had worked as a busboy in his famous restaurant performed comedy acts with Maddox playing harmonica and Sears on guitar. They called themselves The Governor and the Dishwasher. Sears had served time in prison for a drug offense before Maddox, was able to get him a pardon.

    ropelight (c63139)

  80. But Wallace was a democrat then. Let there be no mistake about that.

    Vnjagvet (cf1fc3)

  81. Shame, they don’t know what it is.

    htom (412a17)

  82. do people understand that if they pay a cable bill, they’re supporting MSNBC and any number of other whores besides whether they watch them or not?

    I don’t think they do.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  83. Even when he ran on the American Independent Party line, Wallace was still a “Yellow-Dog Democrat”.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  84. @75

    So did you contact any of the politicians and journalists which you claim to disagree with, to let them know they were out of line?

    Or do you hold conservative blog commenters to a higher standard of behavior?

    malclave (4f3ec1)

  85. ropelight, and anyone else – the team (according to the Navy Times) that took out Bin Laden was not the section that went down in the chopper.

    Let’s not play “who can build a better conspiracy” on this one, all right?

    Dianna (f12db5)

  86. Texas league chucklehead?

    #2

    “If you’re a tractor driver, if you drive your tractor across a public road, you’re gonna have to have a commercial driver’s license. Now how idiotic is that? What were they thinkin’?”

    Perry points to ‘Idiotic’ rule that doesn’t exist WSJ.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  87. I think there’s an exemption for corpsemen

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  88. Notice what spurty left out of that?

    JD (318f81)

  89. In all 57 states, Mr. Feet.

    Not that I necessarily believe anything that silly dishonest trolls write.

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  90. It was a proposal, and there was a Public Comment period…these were public comments about brain-less rule proposals.
    You are aware of the process for the promulgation of new regulations by the Federal Government, aren’t you; or haven’t they covered that yet in Sophomore Civics?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  91. JD, tell me it ain’t so: Hax’s Dumber Brother didn’t actually read or understand a link?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  92. What about the WSJ Jester, do you believe them?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  93. So, will Sir Robin apologize for getting something wrong again—while criticizing others for not doing so?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  94. There was notice for public comment, and they backed off after outrage from the farming community.

    JD (318f81)

  95. Oh, my little troll. Tempery, are you? You. Get. Things. Wrong. But it’s not your fault: you are just a lazy dishonest troll.

    Besides, those long words are so confusing. Confuzzling even, to quote Mr. Feet.

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  96. Yes Drew, there was a proposal. By the state of IL which the Feds ruled against.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  97. we expect such foolishness from Venkman, but what of the Journal, epic facepalm.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  98. From the Comments at the WSJ on this article…

    “The proposed guidance recommends that commercial driver’s licenses be mandatory for driving or hauling a long list of farm equipment, including horse trailers as short as 16 feet. “FMCSA also suggests doing away with the 150-mile exemption for hauling commodities. FMCSA asserts that because those commodities are likely to cross state lines at some point, trips to the grain elevator count as part of the journey and are therefore interstate commerce.”
    See http://baucus.senate.gov/?p=news&id=614

    Oops, a Senate Cmte Chairman spoke out against a “non-existant” rule….What a dummy!
    Who knew that Max Baucus was another RW Tejadist?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  99. But Another Drew! That’s different! Only the opponents of the LightBringer can be criticized. Didn’t you get your orders?

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  100. I couldn’t read them, they changed the color of the crayon.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  101. this is what the fascist hoochie what runs the “department of transportation” said

    In many cases, farmers and farm equipment don’t come under federal truck safety regulations when they are transporting products short distances, either within the farm or to a local market. This allows farmers to do business without meeting the same requirements as, for example, a company shipping goods across the country.

    However, the lines of distinction aren’t always clear. So in May, USDOT’s Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration (FMCSA) published a notice in the Federal Register seeking public feedback on how existing commercial truck safety regulations impact the agricultural community.

    “We may not ultimately agree on every issue, but we will always listen,” said Anne S. Ferro threateningly. And America’s farmers shivered as a big black cloud of fascism threatened to descend on their farmy little heads.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  102. feets, that’s Racist!
    Consider yourself denounced (again).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  103. Yet another epic spurty fail.

    JD (318f81)

  104. If nothing else, he is consistent.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  105. And notice that:

    1. Sir Robin/Sparticvs/HDB claims that he wasn’t lying out of his ass on any threads.

    2. I demonstrate that he was, and he—once again—refuses to deal with it. Just runs away to dump more nonsense elsewhere.

    http://patterico.com/2011/08/16/president-downgrade%E2%80%99s-pity-party-continues/#comment-835207

    Who is this sad person?

    But I have to say, it is funny to watch him get skooled, and slowly get angry, and then post more nonsense he didn’t think through.

    Somebody is worried about 2012.

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  106. So how long do we have to wait to hear Schultz denounced for the deceptive editing that he did do, versus the deceptive editing Breitbart was accused of but didn’t do?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  107. Mr. Drew the Wall Street Journal person what reported this, propaganda slut Jonathan Weisman, wasn’t very honest about the context

    but yeah you’re right that’s no call for racisms

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  108. Comment by Dianna @ 7:35 pm

    You are correct Dianna, that’s what the Navy Times, and a good many other papers and TV news shows reported.

    Now, if it was my comment @ 3:53 pm that occasioned your #88, please note that I did refer to “possible eyewitnesses” who “died under somewhat curious circumstances.” I acknowledge my statement was made in the context of calling attention to the fact that verifiable evidence for Osama bin Laden’s death has yet to surface. Which is not in dispute even at the Navy Times.

    Check out my back and forth with aphreal to get a feel for how I view the matter, especially my comment at @ 4:48 pm which pretty much sums up my thinking on the matter.

    ropelight (c63139)

  109. And did I see that Kman posted again? When will he post his blog address, since we are in an “echo chamber” here? Hey, wait! I know where Sir Robin can post! Seriously, Kman, I know that no one posts on your blog, but I’ll bet that Sir Robin will!

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  110. Update 3

    With all the Liberal back-biting of Jay Carney for the superlative job he’s doing communicating Teh Won’s message to the American People, can it only be a matter of time before he is replaced by Sgt. Schultz?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  111. Simon Jester, that story has been repeated so often, you’d think there was a pattern with Spartacvs …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  112. Sonia Satanmayonnaise saying she has more experience
    than her white male ccounterparts is not racist or anti-man whatsoever,right SpartacSummit?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  113. The feedback we’ve received so far has reflected significant concern among the agricultural community. So we wanted to be clear about the purpose of this notice. We are not proposing new regulations for the farming community. What we are doing is seeking input and solutions from the community on three important issues.

    USDOT statement posted July 22, 2011

    During his debut in Iowa Sunday night in Waterloo, then again at on Monday at the Iowa State Fair Monday, Gov. Perry brought up the phantom “obscene, crazy” regulation in Texan terms. WSJ

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  114. I want to seek public comment on something we have not considered and have no plans to implement.

    JD (318f81)

  115. What’s next, JD? All caps?

    By the way, Sir Robin? How about owning your mistakes about the Founders? I mean, since you are so concerned with accuracy and people saying “dumb” things?

    I didn’t think so. Lazy troll.

    Seriously, dude, go to Kman’s blog: you two have a lot in common.

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  116. Dates fool, dates.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  117. They first opened a comment period back on the end of May when they published a rough outline in the Federal Register; now they have opened a new comment period 22 July.
    The only conclusion that most watchers of the bureaucracy can conclude is that they are revising, but still considering, some form of regulation for the operation of farm equipment/vehicles, both on and off highway, and they will announce their intentions (unless they get clobbered by additional Congresscritters, which they will) after the conclusion of this comment period.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  118. I swore off dates after the monkey died in “Raiders”.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  119. You still won’t own your dumb, lazy statements. No wonder people don’t take you seriously.

    Go to Kman’s site. He’ll understand you. And it certainly won’t be an echo chamber for you there!

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  120. Spurty hearts beclowning himself. It is perverse.

    Even some of the leftists in the WSJ comments noted how horrible spurty’s choice od journolistism is.

    JD (318f81)

  121. Anyway, have fun playing whack-a-troll, folks. Though I suspect he will start posting in all caps soon.

    I like what the much missed Dmac said to people as odd as this guy: “Could I subscribe to your newsletter?”

    Simon Jester (cdcfc2)

  122. Big Zero victim
    believes own bullsh*t that he’s
    Abe reincarnate

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  123. Yeah, it’s been fun today.
    But, my mind is so drained from dealing with spvrtles and summit, I have to go get an IQ transfusion by watching an old episode of Star Trek.
    Nighty-nite.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (ce6d84)

  124. #111 – ropelight, fair enough.

    I just wanted to be sure the facts are referenced.

    Dianna (f12db5)

  125. whack-a-spurty
    diverticulitis and
    other circus folk

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  126. So sporty criticizes Perry for misinterpreting a poorly written regulation and the walls will come tumbling down.

    Despite LaHood’s ministrations, let’s see how this plays out. Bureaucrats love nothing more than regulation and if they get a chance to put the hooks in farm equipment, they will.

    I’m kind of surprised the administration has not introduced new mileage and emissions restrictions on farm and industrial machines.

    But this is the kind of crap we’ll have to put up with until election day.

    Because, you know, the President is busy governing the 57 states.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  127. Karl should get an award like something even better than 90s dance party or summer lemonade cupcake

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  128. Isn’t Texas where someone got in trouble for using the phrase, “Black Hole?”

    All my ex’s live in Texas, for a reason.

    AZ Bob (aa856e)

  129. I don’t really see Obambi as a cloud, ’cause he’s kind of too scrawny to be a full blown cloud.

    He’s more like a black contrail.

    Dave Surls (185519)

  130. I swear Spartacvs is like a black eye on Patterico.

    OMG he said black eye. OMG OMG aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  131. Watching trolls post self-refuting links is always amusing.

    The fact that Spvrty is too dumb to realize he is doing it just makes it a whole lot funnier.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  132. Michelle is the one that’s like a big old black rain cloud, constantly raining on everyone’s picnic. Every time you try and chow down on a tasty cheeseburger and some fries, she’s right there saying “No, no! That’s not good for you! Have some of this delicious cauliflower and brussel sprouts casserole instead.”

    What an asshole.

    Dave Surls (185519)

  133. SpartacBS got okie-doked by logic.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  134. OMG he said black eye. OMG OMG aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.

    Comment by DohBiden — 8/16/2011 @ 9:27 pm

    :)

    Dustin (b7410e)

  135. Resist We Much!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  136. Yes we must resist.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  137. spurty sensation
    in da obamanation
    blow it out his ass

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  138. Spurty an obot

    But don’t call him an obot

    Because I said so says SpartacBS

    DohBiden (d54602)

  139. #136, given her fat ass I would have assumed she was on the fried chicken skins diet …

    S. Carter aka J-Z (786e37)

  140. Dude I hate Michelle but that is not true she is on on the Eat Joe Biden diet.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  141. “MSNBC’s Chris ‘Tingles’ Matthews says Perry ‘could be Bull Connor with a smile’.”

    Chris Matthews could be Joseph Goebbels with a perineal nerve disorder.

    pst314 (672ba2)

  142. This story from the Daily Doggie Trainer, really deserves more attention

    Firearms from the ATF’s Operation Fast and Furious weapons trafficking investigation turned up at the scenes of at least 11 violent crimes in the U.S., as well as at a Border Patrol agent’s slaying in southern Arizona last year, the Justice Department has acknowledged to Congress.

    The department did not provide details about the crimes. But The Times has learned that they occurred in several Arizona cities, including Phoenix, where Fast and Furious was managed, as well as in El Paso, where a total of 42 weapons from the operation were seized at two crime scenes.

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  143. Irony is for dinner, with Professor Putnam:

    But Putnam and Campbell bring their own data, which purports to find that the Tea Party is even less popular than atheists and Muslims, that they’re defined by “low regard for immigrants and blacks,” and that their more common characteristic is their theocratic tendences to “mingle religion and politics” which they allege is causing the crash in public support:

    [I]n data we have recently collected, the Tea Party ranks lower than any of the 23 other groups we asked about — lower than both Republicans and Democrats. It is even less popular than much maligned groups like “atheists” and “Muslims.” Interestingly, one group that approaches it in unpopularity is the Christian Right.

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2011/08/17/harvard-hates-tea-party-xenophobic-racist-theocratic-whites-less-popular#ixzz1VIRcyKTv

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  144. Thanks Ed, what is it? Schultz? (Never heard of you before today.)

    Every time the left-controlled media plays the race card and every time they are caught in grotesque lies, they prove lefties are “other” and something America does want to be.

    Personally, I think this goofball and MSNBC must be secret Perry supporters for all the damage they try to do to Barack Obama with this sort of nonsense.

    riograndevalleygirl (fd5f34)

  145. ian, Putnam and Campbell seem particularly will suited for appointment to ObamaCare’s death panels where they can browbeat invalids to reveal whether they are now or ever have been members of the TEA Party.

    ropelight (415ff9)

  146. The left defends Muslims but yet complains abut the Christian rights theocracy.

    And we also love Herman Cain and Marco Rubio too.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  147. I would love to see the questions they used for that survey, to achieve the results they were looking for. Show of hands, when was the last time any of you heard a religious message from the Tea Partiers?

    JD (b98cae)

  148. “Putnam and Campbell wonder what holds us together as a nation in spite of the fact that America is both more devout and more religiously diverse than other modern democracies.

    Part of the answer is that most congregations tend to deemphasize politics. This is even true in evangelical churches, where Putnam and Campbell describe politics as “a sideshow” rather than “the main attraction.” Only 24% of evangelicals report that their churches register voters or distribute voter guides, and fewer than a third say they hear sermons on political topics as often as once a month. Even members of relatively politicized liberal congregations, such as Reform synagogues and black churches, do not report hearing much about politics on the Sabbath. Fewer than half of African-Americans, for example, say they hear a “politically tinged” sermon at least once a month. This does not mean congregations tend to be apolitical, as Putnam and Campbell are careful to stress. Most congregations, for instance, are politically homogeneous places that reaffirm common political beliefs and commitments through informal social networks. Clearly, however, most Christians are not drawn to a political gospel.

    Putnam and Campbell’s findings also remind us that the link between politics and religion would be far stronger if liberal believers and congregations were more numerous. In fact, only 2% of Americans both identify themselves as political liberals and attend a politically active congregation. The Christian Right is far more influential not because it is powered by an unusually politicized gospel, but because the vast majority of churchgoers are conservative. Perhaps Americans United for the Separation of Church and State should take some comfort from the weakness of the religious Left.

    Though few Americans are pressed into partisan conflict in the course of worship, they are encouraged to share their time and money with others. Putnam and Campbell conclude that “religious Americans are, in fact, more generous neighbors and more conscientious citizens than their secular counterparts.” Religious citizens, for example, are more than twice as likely to volunteer to help the needy than secular Americans, even after controlling for such predictors of charity as education and income. Their annual giving to charitable causes is also “vastly larger,” according to Putnam and Campbell. When charitable giving is measured as a fraction of annual income, “the average person in the most religious fifth of Americans is more than four times as generous as his or her counterpart in the least religious fifth.” Religious citizens give more than secular Americans to nearly every kind of charity, but are especially generous to organizations serving people who are poor, young, or both.”

    http://www.claremont.org/publications/crb/id.1831/article_detail.asp

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  149. Comment by Ag80 — 8/16/2011 @ 8:43 pm

    The Admin. has already announced that they are considering extending CAFE standards to HD trucks (Bob-tails, 18-Wheelers, etc); it would only be a matter of time before these included off-Highway HD equipment too.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (1a601a)

  150. don’t have time to wade through 150+ comments but…..

    BULL CONNOR WAS A DEMOCRAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    just like Robert KKK Byrd

    Frank

    frank drackman (d333d5)

  151. “Not nice, obviously I don’t condone the likes of MSNBC or ABC adopting Brightfart’s modus operandi.”

    Do you honestly believe anyone actually gives a flying F what you think about anything?

    Jack Klompus (c1922b)

  152. It would seem that one of the distinguishing differences between the Evangelical and non-Evangelical spectrums of Christianity in the U.S. is that “E’s” think about their faith and family before politics, whereas the “non-E’s” (and the secular-humanist community) focus to a high degree on politics since it seems to have displaced/replaced faith in their lives.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (1a601a)

  153. “Thanks Ed, what is it? Schultz? (Never heard of you before today.)

    Ed?

    You can’t miss him.

    He’s that big, fat, stupid, WHITE, lefty cloud hanging over America.

    Dave Surls (5ceeed)

  154. “He’s that big, fat, stupid, WHITE, lefty cloud hanging over America.”

    Dave – Ed’s ego is that big, but his audience certainly isn’t.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  155. Ropelight, in that case, would you support changing the evidence code to repeal the statement-against-interest exception tot he hearsay rule?

    aphrael (e0cdc9)

  156. aphrael, I like lawyers, I just don’t like them all that much, so I’ll leave it to them and their associated authorities to sort out the rules by which they contend. Of course, I reserve my right to judge the propriety of their performances.

    ropelight (415ff9)

  157. AL SHARPTON: The George Bush mistakes were not blocked. The President’s grand bargain was blocked. So I don’t think you have the same thing. And I, I, I don’t think that my friend Pat, who had no problem with Mr. Bush in the middle of two wars he created or going to Texas every chance he got, I think his opinion of the President’s vacation, we’ll give you some slack.

    PAT BUCHANAN: Let me correct you here: I opposed George Bush’s war in Iraq. Okay? I was against…

    SHARPTON: Oh, you…

    BUCHANAN: That’s right.

    SHARPTON: But you didn’t oppose his vacations.

    Read more: http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/08/17/al-sharpton-falsely-accuses-well-known-isolationist-pat-buchanan-supp#ixzz1VKB3qOL1

    ian cormac (81c5c2)

  158. Sharpton is a hypocrite what else is new?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  159. Sprouticles:

    Brightfart finds a nugget.

    That’s what gold miners do. And Breitbart’s one of the best.

    Not nice, obviously I don’t condone the likes of MSNBC or ABC adopting Brightfart’s modus operandi.

    The next time Breitbart pulls a stunt like this it will be his first.

    Feets:

    Rove is sort of a whore I think

    You think?

    Aphrael:

    claiming that the US killed OBL is not, generally speaking, in al Qaeda’s interest. it would much rather have everyone believe that OBL is still out there, leading the jihad against the evil Americans, thumbing his nose at our incompetence and arrogance.

    True, if that were an option. But if AQ were to claim that OBL was still alive after the whole announcement of his death, they would have to produce him. A mere statement wouldn’t cut it, and nor would a faked video. Since they can’t do that, I think we can safely rule out that possibility. Which leaves the other one: that he’s been dead for a long time, perhaps even since the battle of Tora Bora. If this is so, they couldn’t admit it, because it would mean admitting that all the recordings since then have been faked.

    Angeleno:

    Do you tell them about Nixon’s “Southern Strategy,” Machinist?

    What about it, Angeleno? What exactly is your objection to it, other than that it worked? Are you going to repeat the usual Democrat lie that it somehow involved embracing racism?

    D criticism of the R “southern strategy” involves an inherent logical problem: Either you don’t want the votes of racists, in which case you should thank the Rs for taking them off your hands; or you did want them, in which case you’re in no position to criticise the Rs for going after them.

    More Spurticles:

    Perry points to idiotic rule that doesn’t exist

    No, you liar, he pointed to a attempt to make a rule that very much did exist, until the public outcry made the feds back down.

    What about the WSJ Jester, do you believe them?

    No, not particularly, is there some reason I should?

    Dave Surls:

    Every time you try and chow down on a tasty cheeseburger and some fries, she’s right there saying “No, no! That’s not good for you! Have some of this delicious cauliflower and brussel sprouts casserole instead.”

    Um, I’d rather have a tasty cauliflower and Brussels sprout casserole than a cheeseburger and fries. <small> Particularly since I’ve never had a cheeseburger and never intend having one, unless either the cheese or the meat is fake…</small> I still don’t want Marie Antoinette telling me what to eat.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  160. That fake set of “small” tags was because real ones don’t work here. They work in the preview, but then you post and they disappear. So I had to fake them.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)


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