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8/11/2011

Obama’s vacation blows a Truman moment

Filed under: General — Karl @ 7:22 am



[Posted by Karl]

HotAir’s Allahpundit and Ed Morrissey were just having an interesting Twitter discussion with the Daily Caller’s Mary Katharine Ham about Pres. Obama’s planned vacation on Martha’s Vineyard later this month.

They began where a lot of conservatives end, with the notion that the attacks on a vacationing president are generally unfair, but that the double standard imposed by the establishment and its media — here perfectly personified by White House flack Jay Carney — is the root of conservative complaint.

However, Allahpundit then added: “Disagree. This is an extraordinary economic moment. Not only is he disengaged, he doesn’t even care if he looks it.”  Ed picked up the point: “He is missing an opportunity to stay in WH and point out the fact that Congress went home.”  Allahpundit then added a seemingly comic spin: “It’s an opportunity for him to finally finally put out his own plan and push it. He has DC all to himself.”  The joke, of course, is that Obama has no plan to address either the medium-term debt bomb or the shorter-term (one hopes) weakness of the economy. 

This vacation is a missed opportunity for Obama, both substantively and politically, though the latter is the focus here.  Obama currently finds himself at a low in the polls; the economy remains in bad shape.  In modern history, only Truman managed to eke out re-election from a position this bad.  Truman did so in part by calling a special session of Congress to highlight a divided and obstructionist Republican party in 1948. 

In recent weeks, Obama has feinted in the direction of such attacks from time to time.   However, he finds himself unable to truly dramatize his argument because he has no plans of his own.  I have suggested that this is primarily due to the apparent failure of his Keynesian “stimulus” program.  Robert Reich claims Obama has no economic plan because the White House believes “the only jobs plan that could get through Congress would be so watered down as to have almost no impact by Election Day” and that Obama would be (rightly) tagged as a big spender.  What’s more, according to Reich, the administration has apparently decided it’s politically wiser to continue fighting about the deficit:

The idea is to keep the public focused on the deficit drama – to convince them their current economic woes have something to do with it, decry Washington’s paralysis over fixing it, and then claim victory over whatever outcome emerges from the process recently negotiated to fix it.

Reich, we must remember, has a history of inventing conversations like this.  But assuming for the sake of argument that this is Obama’s political strategy (which is not unreasonable, even if Reich is imagining the conversation), he remains unable to fully exploit it due to his own failures of leadership.  Indeed, by placing his trust in a Congressional “supercommittee,” he has tied his fate to those whom he could otherwise cleanly attack.

–Karl

570 Responses to “Obama’s vacation blows a Truman moment”

  1. Obama is so far in over his head that the fish swimming around his head make their own light. I almost feel sorry for the poor bastard, but I’ve felt that way about every President I can remember…why anybody wants that job is beyond me.

    C. S. P. Schofield (8b1968)

  2. Perhaps he’s decided to borrow a page from Silent-Cal, the one that says when you see a problem coming down the road, just wait until it is right in front of you before you take any action, for the odds are, it will fall into the ditch before it gets to you?
    Unfortunately for Our Vaunted Leader, there are so many problems coming down that road, that as their wheels wobble about, they keep bumping into each other and preventing any one of them from falling into that ditch.

    Anyway, can’t the man just finish his waffle?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  3. CSPS, so, you aren’t a jihadi sociopath with a megalomaniacal Messiah complex out to demonstrate his impending apotheosis by bankrupting the Great Satan, and who just happens to dearly love hearing himself give speeches (ad nauseum), playing golf, going on expensive vacations, and riding around in a bigger private jet than all those uppity Arabian potentates put together.

    ropelight (ffa587)

  4. I want him (and congress) out of my face so I’m happy to see him go on vacation.

    The where is really the problem. If he were going to his own home in Chicago, or to Camp David, or even to a cabin in the woods, it would be ok. But he’s going to the playground of the wealthy, and it just looks unseemly.

    MayBee (081489)

  5. Exactly, Karl.

    How does someone with no actual plan complain that it’s being obstructed?

    He can’t demand we all work together to help him lead us, because there is nowhere specific he’s going.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  6. He’s probably planning a plan to work on a plan to address the deficit…give him a break!

    Deborah (ebd176)

  7. It is not the debt, however, but the lack of global aggregate demand that is at the heart of the crisis. As the entire world strives to put its own people to work before other nations do, policymakers constructively lower interest rates and delay sovereign, corporate and household defaults to provide breathing room. Fiscally, however, an anti-Keynesian, budget-balancing immediacy imparts a constrictive noose around whatever demand remains alive and kicking. Washington hassles over debt ceilings instead of job creation in the mistaken belief that a balanced budget will produce a balanced economy. It will not.

    The president and Congress must recognize that an AA-plus country, to remain AA-plus, must focus on growth, not debt reduction, in the short term. We have a debt problem — but primarily a crisis of aggregate demand. A 21st-century Keynes would have recognized this and sounded the alarm, pointing out that policymakers from a fiscal perspective are pointing us toward recession and the destructive 1930s instead of a low-growth but still breathing U.S. economy of the 21st century.

    Google it

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  8. Hey, Stashiu3? How many names has this character tried to use?

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  9. Keynes was wrong, and reality is proof.

    The debt is actually a problem. Like I said, how can Obama whine about obstruction when he and his fanboys don’t even bother taking the problem seriously? Their plan is to say the debt isn’t a problem?

    2012 will not get here soon enough.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  10. Apparnetly, it hasn’t occurred to Sparty that Pimco has market positions that might benefit if people followed the opinions of, say, Bill Gross.

    Karl (f07e38)

  11. Google is an anti-Liberty tool of the ChiComs.

    Carlos (6bc30f)

  12. Karl, don’t confuse Hax. His head hurts.

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  13. Karl, don’t confuse Hax. His head hurts.

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  14. Over and above the vacuousness of Obama’ MIA policy, for someone supposedly so cool and awesome he shows a tonedeaf arrogance that suggests someone who listens to no one’s advice.

    SPQR (c45ef8)

  15. Obama is the only one qualified to advise The Obama!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  16. The presidency travels with Teh One, but it did not with Bush.

    Spurty is an imbecile. Objectively.

    JD (b98cae)

  17. but obama isn’t a for reals president it’s more like he’s a julie-your-cruise-director to Truman’s Captain Steubing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  18. The endless vacations annoy me, I’ll admit, but there is a much more annoying aspect to it. Namely, that he keeps coming back from vacation! I would be worth it if he would simply stay gone. Maybe ICE can revoke his passport next time he leaves the country…

    alanstorm (cb237b)

  19. The idea is to keep the public focused on the deficit drama – to convince them their current economic woes have something to do with it, decry Washington’s paralysis over fixing it, and then claim victory over whatever outcome emerges from the process recently negotiated to fix it.

    Interestingly enough, this is the same game plan they ran with during the Obamacare legislation process.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  20. The funny thing is that lots of people pointed out how utterly unqualified he was back in 2008 and now even many on the left are reaching the same conclusion.

    It’s not like they can say they were not warned.

    To be fair, though, who else could they nominate? Hillary? I don’t believe the hype, she handled her campaign incompetently and would have been an incompetent President as well (unless maybe the plan was to let Bill run things. John Edwards? Bill Richardson? Dennis Kucinich? Please.

    Obama will be remembered as our first and last affirmative action president.

    Chris (5fc583)

  21. You can contrast The Hawaiian Blowhole’s vacation time with the absence of Congress, and point out it’s inappropriate in time of economic crisis.

    To me, the most infuriating contrast is to the vacation time of average Americans. Nobody who works 40hrs/wk for a living is getting the amount of time off that President Miserable Failure gets. Even when he’s at home in the WH, BHO throws frequent parties and private concerts. We’re struggling out here, he’s screwing us up, and yet he ostentatiously enjoys the leisure of a fricking king.

    He and his people have to be blind not to see that. Or they don’t care.

    gp (72be5d)

  22. A 21st-century Keynes would have recognized this and sounded the alarm, pointing out that policymakers from a fiscal perspective are pointing us toward recession and the destructive 1930s instead of a low-growth but still breathing U.S. economy of the 21st century.

    Your debt cannot expand at a faster rate than overall growth, because mathematics eventually renders the approach irrelevant, as is currently happening.

    We’re spending a deficit of 12% of GDP to get a growth rate of around 1-2%. Anyone who took exponential functions in high school knows what happens when those two trends are allowed to run on a long enough timeline.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  23. You mean people like Cantor Karl?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  24. Comment by alanstorm — 8/11/2011 @ 9:03 am

    Who says Obama has a passport? The last guy who tried to look up Obama’s passport records turned up dead in circumstances so suspicious that no one’s been bold or stupid enough to risk making further inquires.

    ropelight (ffa587)

  25. people like Cantor

    What the hell is that supposed to mean?

    Show your work.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  26. The ‘stimulus’ was inadequate, that much is obvious now given the revised numbers on the downturn in ’08. Every sane politician knows what we have to do to get the economy going again – More Fiscal Stimulus. Unfortunately Washington is locked in a different conversation over the debt, because we just don’t have enough sane politicians in the current Congress but plenty of insane ones, starting with the teabagger caucus. The economy won’t improve until the distracting political argument on the debt is through, because it can’t improve with the stranglehold Republicans led by the teabaggers, have put on it.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  27. no one tells me anything so I googled the internet and it says it’s a 10-day vacation he’s taking

    The leadership vacuum here and abroad is both absolute and astounding. “President Obama is fundraising in New York today as the rest of us are losing funds,” Macke quips. This hobnobbing comes just a week ahead of the President’s scheduled 10-day vacation on Martha’s Vineyard.

    Ten days is many they must be very excited they’re gonna get to really get away and have some fun and eat tasty foozles and it’s cheap for them I bet.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  28. The ‘stimulus’ was inadequate, that much is obvious now given the revised numbers on the downturn in ’08. Every sane politician knows what we have to do to get the economy going again – More Fiscal Stimulus.

    “MONEY COMES FROM ELVES AND WORMHOLES A BLOO BLOO BLOO!”

    The economy won’t improve until the distracting political argument on the debt is through, because it can’t improve with the stranglehold Republicans led by the teabaggers, have put on it.

    Wrong. The math is obvious and in your face.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  29. Now that Clyburn, Becerra and Van Hollen are Pelosi’s choice for the Super Committee what could possibly go wrong, ‘facepalm with an octopus’

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  30. 26.The ‘stimulus’ was inadequate, that much is obvious now given the revised numbers on the downturn in ’08. Every sane politician knows what we have to do to get the economy going again – More Fiscal Stimulus

    The stimulus wasn’t inadequate so much as it was ineffective. It was a bunch of spending on liberal causes, back-loaded, and didn’t provide cash to the consumers.

    If you want a *real* stimulus, eliminate the employee contribution for Social Security and Medicare for one year. That will put an extra 7.65% into every working person’s paycheck, giving them money to increase demand.

    But that would be a tax cut, and we all know that you are all about tax increases.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  31. Spurty should just pass a law that mandates everyone must spend 10% more than they are currently spending.

    JD (b98cae)

  32. Chuck – because we all know that you are all about de-funding SS & Medicare.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  33. Spartacvs is being teabagged.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  34. Chuck – because we all know that you are all about de-funding SS & Medicare.

    Comment by Spartacvs —

    What funds, though?

    How does the right defund something the left already pissed all the funds away from?

    Thank LBJ, all the way up to the Pelosi congress. We are not talking about DEfunding entitlements. We are talking about something that would need new funds we actually can’t find.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  35. Dustin, did you see the “rap fight” between Keynes and Hayak on YouTube? There are two parts, and look at their faces at the end of Part II.

    http://youtu.be/d0nERTFo-Sk

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  36. If you want a *real* stimulus, eliminate the employee contribution for Social Security and Medicare for one year. That will put an extra 7.65% into every working person’s paycheck, giving them money to increase demand.

    No, the only thing it will do at this point is provide a temporary boost to consumer spending (and more likely, people will end up paying down current debts before shifting that excess to consumer goods) before the math takes over and renders it impotent. It will also increase the deficit even further by blowing the short-term balance sheet on obligations to Medicare and Social Security completely to hell. Since SS will be running in the red, the Treasury will have to sell debt-bearing bonds to cover the obligations, further increasing the debt burden over the long run due to interest. You might as well end Medicare and SS altogther, as provide a “tax holiday” of the kind you describe.

    Both Team Red and Team Blue need to accept the reality that the shopping mall economic model, driven by 35+ years of ever-expanding cheap credit across all sectors of the economy from government borrowing to real estate to personal credit cards, can no longer be used to artificially prop up the economy anymore.

    As I’ve pointed out before, we are addicted to debt, and the longer we play the “extend and pretend” game, the harder the landing is going to be when we can no longer kick the can and the retraction begins for real.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  37. Every sane politician knows what we have to do to get the economy going again – More Fiscal Stimulus.

    au contraire, moose breath: all the sane politicians know that the “stimulus” helped further strangle the economy already reeling from the housing bubble your fellow Demonrats first created then prevented Bush from addressing.

    the only thing likely to fix this economy in our lifetimes is to gut the federal government’s budget and its regulatory stranglehold on free enterprise, as well as reducing and eventually eliminating “entitlements”.

    of course, this will destroy the socialist utopia your kind wants to inflict on us all, but i see that as a feature, not a bug.

    redc1c4, proud AoS moron (fb8750)

  38. Vacation? I mean get real folks. This ginned up ‘controversy is nothing but the worst kind of partisan sniping.

    President Bush spends most of August 2001 at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, nearly setting a record for the longest presidential vacation. While it is billed a “working vacation,” news organizations report that Bush is doing “nothing much” aside from his regular daily intelligence briefings. [ABC NEWS, 8/3/2001; WASHINGTON POST, 8/7/2001] One such unusually long briefing at the start of his trip is a warning that bin Laden is planning to attack in the US (see August 6, 2001), but Bush spends the rest of that day fishing. By the end of his trip, Bush has spent 42 percent of his presidency at vacation spots or en route. [WASHINGTON POST, 8/7/2001] At the time, a poll shows that 55 percent of Americans say Bush is taking too much time off. [USA TODAY, 8/7/2001] Vice President Cheney also spends the entire month in a remote location in Wyoming. [JACKSON HOLE NEWS AND GUIDE, 8/15/2001]

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  39. What funds, though?

    How does the right defund something the left already pissed all the funds away from?

    That’s the other aspect of this–these programs are NOT going to get any cheaper over the next 15-20 years. The Baby Boomers and inflation will increase the obligations to a point that politicians will finally have to face up to the fact that the promises which were made were really just one big Ponzi scheme.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  40. SpartacBS please eff yourself hypocrite.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  41. _____________________________________________

    “…Not only is he disengaged, he doesn’t even care if he looks it.”

    I notice that even a variety of conservatives — much less centrists and, of course, liberals — seem to gloss over the guy’s background as apparently the most leftwing, “goddamn America” president in the history of this country. Is that because there have been other White House administrations with the particular, peculiar disreputable history and nature of Obama? Possibly, but I’m not aware of it. IOW, has any person who has ever occupied the Oval Office been aligned with someone analogous to Jeremiah Wright, among others?

    Obama sat in a church for 20 years listening to rhetoric that slammed the US and snickered about its “chickens coming home to roost.” The promoter of such words struck a chord in the guy now in the White House. The person who’s often out on the golf course and into taking vacations, and who embraced Reverend “Goddamn America” only until publicity over the relationship turned negative.

    Mark (411533)

  42. moron @#38

    gut the federal government’s budget and its regulatory stranglehold on free enterprise

    So that’s why businesses are booking record profits and sitting on all that cash? Are you trying to argue Federal Govt. spending is crowding out private investment? Free enterprise isn’t free, someone has to pay for the excesses and it usually ends up being the consumer/taxpayer.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  43. I love how spurty manages to decry this as the worst kind of partisan sniping, then proceeds to do just that, proving Karl’s point for him.

    JD (b98cae)

  44. SpartacBS is a POS.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  45. 33.Chuck – because we all know that you are all about de-funding SS & Medicare

    Fuck you. That’s not what I said. What I said was temporarily halt the tax collected. Didn’t say anything about defunding Social Security or Medicare.

    So, fuck you.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  46. So that’s why businesses are booking record profits and sitting on all that cash?

    Small businesses are the primary driver of jobs and they aren’t hiring–nor are they sitting on a pile of cash like Scrooge McDuck.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  47. Oh, I don’t think that Hax has ever had to run a payroll.

    Simon Jester (5124f8)

  48. Comment by Chuck Bartowski — 8/11/2011 @ 9:48 am

    Jeb Hensarling (R-TX) proposed that back in the Spring of ’08, after the failure of Bear-Sterns.
    IIRC, he advocated a 2-yr payroll tax holiday for both employees and employers.

    And now, he’s Co-Chairman of the Super Committee.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  49. Simon, that video was a treat.

    Spartacus should watch it and join the Tea Party. All he’s asking for is to use the printing press into pretending we have wealth we don’t have, as though that will magically pay for itself.

    I don’t see how someone can really believe that after watching the economy tumble. There is no magical trick to cure this problem. The shame is that we are a rich nation, and if we balanced our government’s budget, the currency would be worth quite a lot. The poor and middle classes would be much better off, and it would work relatively quickly.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  50. A question:

    Doesn’t Congress traditionally, and historically , take August off to return to their Districts, press the flesh, and have Meet-&-Greets; things that their constituents expect since it is – for the most part – impractical for voters to travel to DC to meet with their Congress person?

    In fact, before the advent of refrigerated air conditioning, Congress did not meet in the dead of Winter, nor in the “Dog Days” of Summer, but scheduled their business for late Spring and early Autumn.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  51. Mr. Spork, This is Ms. Blackburn here. I admire your attempt at doing homework. I give you an A+ for your mad cut and paste skillz. I would like to grade you on your reading comprehension but so far I don’t see any.
    Bonus question: Where does a job come from?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  52. Thanks for watching it, Dustin. I think it promoted both world views accurately (at least it seems that way from an Econ class point of view). The end of Part II is disturbing—how the “winner” was declared.

    http://youtu.be/GTQnarzmTOc

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  53. Oops…

    It was the Freedom Agenda of the George W. Bush administration—delineated and formulated as a conscious alternative to jihadism—that showed the way. Indeed, the costly American nation-building in Iraq has now led to the creation of the world’s first and only functioning democratic Arab state. One popular indictment of Bush maintains that he settled on the Freedom Agenda as justification for war after U.S. forces and inspectors found no Iraqi weapons of mass destruction. The record shows otherwise. “A free Iraq can be a source of hope for all the Middle East,” he said before the invasion, in February 2003. “Iraq can be an example of progress and prosperity in a region that needs both.”

    http://www.commentarymagazine.com/article/what-we-got-right-in-the-war-on-terror/

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  54. A real Keynesian economic policy would entail the US government maintaining a 2-5 trillion dollar surplus sitting around in cash – no debt of any kind.

    Then when a rough patch comes, they can ‘stimulate’ the economy inefficiently to move things along without ever going into debt at all.

    We are quite a ways from that initial state. Real Keynsianism would say, “Pay off your 14 trillion dollar debt and change the structure that got you there, idiots.”

    luagha (5cbe06)

  55. Amusing that Spartacvs signals his lies with the phrase”we all know”.

    SPQR (52c835)

  56. “we all know” it’s the fault of Boooosh!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  57. Partisan sniping JD?

    hardly:

    President Bush spends most of August 2001 at his Crawford, Texas, ranch, nearly setting a record for the longest presidential vacation. While it is billed a “working vacation,” news organizations report that Bush is doing “nothing much” aside from his regular daily intelligence briefings. [ABC NEWS, 8/3/2001; WASHINGTON POST, 8/7/2001] One such unusually long briefing at the start of his trip is a warning that bin Laden is planning to attack in the US (see August 6, 2001), but Bush spends the rest of that day fishing. By the end of his trip, Bush has spent 42 percent of his presidency at vacation spots or en route. [WASHINGTON POST, 8/7/2001] At the time, a poll shows that 55 percent of Americans say Bush is taking too much time off. [USA TODAY, 8/7/2001] Vice President Cheney also spends the entire month in a remote location in Wyoming. [JACKSON HOLE NEWS AND GUIDE, 8/15/2001]

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  58. Indeed, the costly American nation-building in Iraq has now led to the creation of the world’s first and only functioning democratic Arab state.

    Show your work Drew.

    Arab Spring

    Strange, no mention of the springboard effect of GW’s war there. I wonder why the flagship of neoconservatism is the only place pushing this nonsense?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  59. Did someone shout, I thought I heard an echo?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  60. Simply copypasta all over again does not change the fact that you are actively engaged in the partisan sniping that you claimed to decry above.

    JD (d56362)

  61. ^ repellant. Blaming Bush for 9/11 is repellant.

    Obama’s golfing and vacationing are entirely different from how Bush would operate from Crawford. Obama’s primary job duty right now seems to be going to an unprecedented number of fundraisers, too.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  62. 63…addendum…
    I doubt if any troll would bother to read this article, as it goes to about 5M words.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  63. The same war Obama is continuing you sycophantic cocksucker?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  64. Note how spurty tosses that leftist canard in there about the PDB, and then goes all partisan trying to link inactivity to the longest vacation EVAH. Lies on top of lies.

    JD (2da347)

  65. Sparty,

    I never occurs to you that you’re proving the opposite? For example, it never occurs to you that the failure of the MSM to poll about Obama’s vacationing and golfing — or to critcally cover them in the manner you just excerpted — is evidence of a partisan double-standard in coverage? Really?

    Karl (f07e38)

  66. At the time, a poll shows that 55 percent of Americans say Bush is taking too much time off.

    This does sound an awful lot like a push poll. Where are the polls on Obama quote “taking too much time off”?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  67. The media can’t have a double-standard, as that would imply that it actually has standards, other than the unequivical advancement of the Left at all costs, and the denigration of the Right at all opportunity.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  68. Karl – the presidency did not travel with Bush. It does travel with Teh One.

    JD (d56362)

  69. Well, it couldn’t travel with him, because it was being held in escrow for AlGore.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  70. I sure hope Teh Won takes some reading material with him to The Vineyard….

    TheDC’s Alexis Levinson reports: “Three-quarters of Americans now believe the country is on the wrong track, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released Wednesday. The poll, conducted from August 4 through August 8, a period during which the stock market plunged and Standard & Poor’s downgraded the United States’ credit rating, found just 21 percent saying the country is heading in the right direction, and 73 percent concerned that it’s on the wrong track.

    I’m sure he’ll find something along this line quite uplifting.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  71. Karl: remember that accuracy is not Sparticvs/Hax strength. Remember when he claimed that NONE of the Founders dud anything to oppose slavery? Just an unfunny clown, he is.

    Simon Jester (2d39f1)

  72. Keynesianism worked — sort of — during the Depression (the one in which we were finally saved by Hideki Tojo and Adolf Hitler) because we were borrowing the money from ourselves. As T-Bills had to be paid back, we were still paying back those notes within our own economy.

    That isn’t the case today, where 46% of our national debt is owed externally. Keynesianism holds that you borrow in bad times, to spike up your economy, and after the bad times are over, you can address deficits and debts. The trouble is that, now, once our economy is recovered and is humming along, we are going to be taking away part of our productivity and sending it overseas, to enrich the Chinese; today’s stimulating effects — few in actual evidence as they were — are tomorrow’s depressing effects, as we have to export the rewards for future productivity.

    So, even if Keynesian stimulus worked, to improve the economy today, the opposite side of Keynesian economics is that they will depress our economy in the years to come.

    The economist Dana (3e4784)

  73. It should be the National Policy of the Federal Government to:
    1- Reduce the size of government relative to GDP;
    2- Allocate $100B of operating revenues to reduce the National Debt, each and every year; which means you have to run a real surplus,
    not some phoney-baloney AlGore/LockBox scam.
    And, this must be done with no increase in overall taxation; in fact, growth which would enable a surplus would be greatly encouraged and enhanced by an overall tax reduction – especially of such investment-inhibiting taxes such as the Corporate Income Tax, and the Estate Tax.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  74. As the size and scope of the Federal Government receeds, the Liberty & Freedoms of Americans expand.

    This is one of those zero-sum games.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  75. In modern history, only Truman managed to eke out re-election from a position this bad.

    And which one of the alternative smurfs assembling in Iowa (or having his dress greys dry cleaned in Austin) plays the role of Tom Dewey– oh, that’s right, none, as the highly credentialed Dewey, who would tower above all of them, lost to FDR in ’44 and lost to Truman in ’48.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  76. So what Obama is doing today- flying to Holland Michigan to give the 100th iteration of the same speech, and then flying to NYC to have dinner with the Assad-worshiping Anna Wintour…

    Is that vacation or presidenting or something different still?

    MayBee (081489)

  77. #77 – I’d like to have some of whatever you’re smoking, dude. 🙂

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  78. “Some favored an economic supercouncil which would ignore Congress and issue edicts; Henry Hazlitt proposed abandoning Congress for a directorate of twelve men.” -Source, ‘Without Benefit of Congress’ by Henry Hazlitt, 1932, footnoted in ‘FDR And The New Deal’ by W.E.Leuchtenburg, 1963

    Super Committee!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  79. your an tard DCSCA.

    Anna Wintour is an Assad supporter?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  80. Well…Vogue carried a glowing essay about the sophisticated and beautiful Mrs Assad in February.

    MayBee (081489)

  81. The President and First Vacationer are going to Martha’s Vinyard because the guy is pussy whipped.

    Sam (026d7f)

  82. Ignore DuckCraps delusions.
    Next he’ll be telling us of his encounters with Werner Von Braun and Dan Blather.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  83. Obarfy is accusing others of wanting him to lose instead of america winning.

    Irony much?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  84. DCSCA has a great point … well, except for the fact that the committee wouldn’t ignore Congress and couldn’t issue edicts … you know, except for that part.

    Sheesh, still a clown DCSCA.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  85. He’s just Commander McBragg. I pretty much don’t believe anything he writes, based on his history. He keeps hoping that people don’t remember his, um, multiple acts of…creative storytelling about himself.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  86. Results of a study done by Alberto Alesina and Silvia Ardagna of Harvard – Large changes in fiscal policy: taxes versus
    spending

    Our results suggest that tax cuts are more expansionary than spending increases
    in the cases of a fiscal stimulus. Based upon these correlations we would argue that
    the current [2009] stimulus package in the US is too much tilted in the direction of spending
    rather than tax cuts. For fiscal adjustments we show that spending cuts are
    much more effective than tax increases in stabilizing the debt and avoiding economic
    downturns. In fact, we uncover several episodes in which spending cuts
    adopted to reduce deficits have been associated with economic expansions rather
    than recessions.

    LarryD (feb78b)

  87. DCSCA @ #77, That “smurf” getting his dress greys dry-cleaned in Austin is going to hand Obama his ass in a landslide election, and you damned well know it, unless you are a fool. Just say’n

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  88. Rich elitist leftys like Anna are in for a rude awakening.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  89. Small businesses are the primary driver of jobs and they aren’t hiring–nor are they sitting on a pile of cash like Scrooge McDuck.

    Comment by Another Chris — 8/11/2011 @ 10:17 am

    Right on the money! I have not hired a single new (or old) employee in the last 3 years, nor am I sitting on a pile of money. I must first have adequate consumer demand to support hiring another employee before doing it. Although, if I were to put the question to my crew, my employees would rather I give them raises than obtain a new hire.

    felipe (2ec14c)

  90. As the owner of two small businesses…
    Wait can someone give me hand getting down off of this huge pile of money I’m sitting on. I may be too high up for you to hear me.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  91. @#89- Doubtful.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/08/05/rick-perry-college-transcript_n_919357.html

    “A&M wasn’t exactly Harvard on the Brazos River,” recalled a Perry classmate in an interview with The Huffington Post. “This was not the brightest guy around. We always kind of laughed. He was always kind of a joke.” Fool indeed.

    He doesn’t measure up to Tom Dewey, who lost– twice. But by all means, please, nominate him. What a gift. BTW, remind the secessionist the position is for CIC of the USA, not the CSA.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  92. Obama doesn’t care. Now his staff doesn’t care either. “Flak” Carney hasn’t said anything believable in several months.

    The Dude (d2e817)

  93. DCSCA is a treacherous elitist.

    Anyone who donates to Obama is an idiot.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  94. IMP is nothing if not predictable.

    JD (d48c3b)

  95. So is a day like today a vacation day, or a work day?

    MayBee (081489)

  96. I wonder how different the debate might be, and how different the American populace might feel about Washington, if the Dems would get off the ridiculous track that a couple earning $250K is “wealthy” and needs to pay their fair share– and if the Repubs could maybe tack away from the concept that all multi-millionaires (think LeBron, Michael Moore, and Paris Hilton) are “job creators” who must be protected from tax increases.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  97. NBC News reports Perry is in.

    “Don’t be a sap. You’re taking the fall.” – Sam Spade, ‘The Maltese Falcon,’ 1941, (Shamus & RNC ghost chairman.)

    What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  98. #93 – (yawn)

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  99. ==“Flak” Carney hasn’t said anything believable in several months==

    You’re right. What does he care? Carney gets to stand at a podium and cashes a nice paycheck every month one way or the other.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  100. @#100- Perry sure is. What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  101. elissa- I do often wonder why Obama doesn’t try to actually sell his tax raise ideas with detail rather than hyperbole (rich people need to kick in!). I suspect it is because not all that much money can be raised just by taxing real millionaires and billionaires more.

    MayBee (081489)

  102. Disco Stu & His Ad Hom Spew!

    Icy Texan (44e997)

  103. Oh! And I agree with you about the job creator thing. There are other good reasons not to raise random taxes, and history shows us it can rarely be done without unexpected consequences. The yacht tax is one example. Personally, the idea of limiting the home mortgage interest deduction scares the dickens out of me. Can’t some good Republican take a minute to explain what that could do to middle class people in high cost of living/high mortgage areas?

    MayBee (081489)

  104. #102 – LOL – If you believed that, you would feel a need to keep repeating it, presumably to convince yourself.

    I’ve read your posts without commenting on them until now.

    [All] of your opinions are based [entirely] on your wishful thinking, on contrived, bogus bullsh*t, on misinformation born out of ignorance, on distortions and exaggerations …, and on your screwy rationales which reinforce your screwy delusions. No substance. No facts. Just bullsh*t.

    Now run along, junior. This is a website for adults.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  105. people what get a deduction now should keep it for the life of the mortgage I think and we can do away with it going forward

    that seems fair to me and I am a very judicious person

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  106. * wouldn’t feel a need *

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  107. @#106- A ‘D’ in economics. Embrace him. Yes, what a gift.

    “Don’t be a sap. You’re taking the fall.”…

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  108. Remind me what Obama made in Econ 101, DCSCA.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  109. happs- the problem is the deduction has always been built in to what people are willing to pay. So it’s an immediate hit to the value of a house.

    MayBee (081489)

  110. They never really change. They pick someone they are scared of, and either they call them dumb, or they call them weird. If it’s a woman, they also add in crazy.

    It’s like they have the mentality of a ten year old.

    Rick Perry is not perfect, but his performance is amazing. He’s good at running a government. If you think he’s stupid that says more about you than him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  111. @110- =yawn= His grades have not been leaked as you know, like Perry’s- which speaks volumes about Perry’s ‘security team.’ Besides, Obama has the job– Perry’s the fall guy this cycle… and BTW, its CIC of the USA, not CSA.

    What a gift.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  112. So is a day like today a vacation day, or a work day?

    It is a day like all day’s that alter and illuminate our times; and,
    You Are There!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  113. #109 – More of your wishful thinking, oh delusional one.

    Get real. Are you so stupid and so neurotic that you really believe that the voters will give a rat’s ass about that?

    What they will care about, you dimwit, is that, in the past two years, the highest number of new jobs created in this country have been created in Texas, and it isn’t just a coincidence that Rick Perry is the governor of that state.

    Your cheap shots are, at best, juvenile and neurotic, and your ignorance is stunning. (Never mind that you’re embarrassing yourself with your crackpot opinions.) Again, no substance. No facts. Just more of your usual irrelevant bullsh*t.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  114. Let’s be kind. Perry looks good in grey.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  115. And the best you’ll ever look is in black with your hands across your chest.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  116. His grades have not been leaked as you know

    Leaked? Since when are college grades some kind of national security issue?

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  117. @109- Great! Fight it out with Romney and nominate him. A Dubya clone will make for some great TV spots. Can’t wait!!

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  118. 119 was for 115, sorry.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  119. So, DCSCA–what are the primary factors in his performance and what are his obvious strengths and successes which you think will get Obama handily elected in 2012? At what juncture do you see him overcoming his increasingly poor poll numbers especially among independent voters?

    I asked a similar and quite sincere question of Sparty here yesterday, and he seemed to flounder a bit in coming up with an answer. What are your thoughts?

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  120. LOL, if you’re the best that the Democrats have, DSCSA, to debate the issues on blogs, defeating that pretentious, decadent dilletante, Obama, and his merry, little band of other chronic screw-ups is going to be even more of a breeze than I thought. This is too funny

    Hey goofy, call for reinforcements. You’re drowning already, and I haven’t even gotten started. LMAO here.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  121. Yoohoo, DSCSA, peekaboo, come out, come out wherever you are?

    Ole, ole, olson free! Come out and play. I’ll be gentle with you. I promise. LOL

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  122. His grades have not been leaked as you know, like Perry’s- which speaks volumes about Perry’s ‘security team.’

    You’re right. Perry clearly doesn’t have a goon squad of loyalists picking through the private files of his opponents the way… someone… ahem… just did to him, Joe the Plumber style.

    No surprise.

    Obama admits he was an awful student and on the road towards being a junkie. I doubt he even remembers his time at Columbia because of all the cocaine.

    I guarantee if DCSCA could choose his opponent he would pick Perry last or nearly last. He is a formidable opponent.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  123. #124 – Did you mean to say, if Obama could choose his opponent?

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  124. IMP – what were Barcky’s grades?

    JD (109425)

  125. “So, DCSCA–what are the primary factors in his performance and what are his obvious strengths and successes which you think will get Obama handily elected in 2012?”

    elissa – Obama is a world class ditherer! How’s that for a strength to run on?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  126. LOL – Obama had a 4.0 in Affirmative Action.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  127. Well, at least it is nice to know that DCSCA is out of rehab again. There is that.

    But let’s not forget the long, long history of bizarre tall tales from this guy. It’s really pretty sad.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  128. Karl @67

    It never occurs to you that you’re proving the opposite?

    Vacationing was a feature of the Bush presidency, so much so the media felt compelled to comment on the amount of time he spent on vacation. I don’t believe a comparison of how much time Obama has spent on vacation thus far as compared to Bush, would do your argument any favors.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  129. Now THAT is funny. In #93, did DCSCA actually call anyone else a “fool”? Really?

    What is the list of your bizarre stories, again? I think it ranges from hanging out with von Braun in your underwear, to smelling Rush Limbaugh’s armpits, to playing soccer at the US Embassy in Moscow, to hawking Beatles Breakup newspapers in London (you put it thusly “..for quite a few quid,” as I recall). Puh-leeze.

    Up your meds.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  130. “Vacationing was a feature of the Bush presidency”

    Evidence please.

    Just because the liberal media (BIRM) writes stories about it does not make it a feature.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  131. And of course Hax chimes in. Tick tock, Hax. Tick tock.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  132. Daley, what are the stats on golf again?

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  133. Obama headed the dirtiest campaign I can remember. Private citizens who spoke against him were mugged and humiliated publicly. Overseas contributions. Confabulations about his background and work record. Opposition research lies and unjustifiable attacks. Voter intimidation rackets. Illegal voting and concerted vote suppression. Carl Rove and Lee Atwater were softies compared to Plouffe’s and Axelrod’s thuggery.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  134. Leaked? Since when are college grades some kind of national security issue?

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski — 8/11/2011 @ 2:46 pm

    Apparently since 2008 *sigh*

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  135. –How’s that for a strength to run on–

    Now daley, that’s a good one, but don’t you be passing answers to DCSCA. He needs to come up with answers to these important test questions all on his own. It will be difficult for him, I know, but he will be a better man for thinking this through in a logical and forthright manner.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  136. Spartacvs, your claim is as usual simply horse manure. The President is never on “vacation”, Bush or Obama. The difference between the two has been the fact that Obama’s vacations have gotten a free pass from the biased media and incompetent partisan hacks like yourself while Bush’s were blown into a huge fake issue.

    Your commentary shows only

    SPQR (26be8b)

  137. #124 – Did you mean to say, if Obama could choose his opponent?

    Comment by Summit, NJ

    I meant DCSCA (to choose who his party runs against), but the same applies to Obama.

    And here’s what’s amusing: Perry has been planning to run for at least two years. At least that’s my belief based on his tone, events, and especially international relations. Yet he has successfully fooled the democrats into basing their strategy on Romney. It’s no secret they planned an amazingly evil and nasty attack on how ‘weird’ Romney is. They now have to regroup and come up with an equally pathetic and childish attack on Perry.

    My guess: they will ramp up anti-Texas bigotry, like everyone from Texas is Bush 43, racist, and in the confederacy. And of course they will have lots of sober boneheads moan about how stupid Perry is despite a record Obama will never come close to matching.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  138. Leaked? Since when are college grades some kind of national security issue?

    Comment by Chuck Bartowski

    Yeah, you’re right. This is a legitimate thing to look at because hiring someone.

    It’s a shame, though, that it’s cherry picked entirely based on what is thought to help democrats. I personally do not concern myself with the grades of someone who has significant work history, but in Obama’s case, it would be particularly informative.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  139. Just because the liberal media (BIRM) writes stories about it does not make it a feature.

    Just because you label any source that isn’t Fox or Limpdough as ‘the librul media’ doesn’t make it so. Check the citations in my post and use the Google.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  140. birdbrain –

    Obama headed the dirtiest campaign I can remember. Private citizens who spoke against him were mugged and humiliated publicly. Overseas contributions. Confabulations about his background and work record. Opposition research lies and unjustifiable attacks. Voter intimidation rackets. Illegal voting and concerted vote suppression. Carl Rove and Lee Atwater were softies compared to Plouffe’s and Axelrod’s thuggery.

    Got any cites for any of that?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  141. Just because you label…doesn’t make it so

    If only you would listen to your own advice. You have got to be the least self-aware poster in the history of this site.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  142. It’s no secret they planned an amazingly evil and nasty attack on how ‘weird’ Romney is.

    If that were true, pastor Perry is far more weird than the Mormon so…

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  143. Got any cites for any of that

    Well, for starters, “Joe the plumber”.

    He was dragged through the mud and government employees broke the law disseminating information about him, all because he had the guts to ask Obama tough questions on the campaign trail.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  144. Dustin the “bush redux” thing has been simmering on the back burner for awhile. I expect the boil over to commence in 3, 2, 1

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  145. #139 😉

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  146. Lee Atwater was da man.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  147. A joke that isn’t so funny, really:

    I met a fairy today that said she would grant me one wish.
    “I want to live forever,” I said.

    “Sorry,” said the fairy, “I’m not allowed to grant wishes like that!”

    “Fine,” I said, “then I want to die after Congress gets their heads out of their asses!”

    “You crafty bastard,” said the fairy.

    Sigh.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  148. It’s what Ted Kennedy’s people did in ’94, what Lawton Chiles did against Jeb, that same year,

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  149. Spork, Spork, Spork you disappoint me 🙁 You must do your homework before coming to class. I have asked you nicely on several occasions.
    1) Where does a job come from
    2) How many times has O played golf so far vs W
    3) Does being a Christian automatically make one a “radical”
    Or does it matter?
    Remember. Red pen is hovering. Extra points for honesty. Space cookies are fattening so we are not serving them any longer.
    Best
    Ms. Blackburn

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  150. Spartacvs, cites? Already you’ve forgotten that the private information of “Joe the Plumber” was publically released by Democrat operatives in his home state? Your little “cites please” as compared to your fraudulent “everyone knows” only reinforces your basic mendacity.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  151. chuck:

    government employees broke the law disseminating information about him

    Cites please. I would agree Joe the Plumber was something of a tragicomic figure, but he has no one but himself to blame for much of that, thing is he just didn’t quite have the same talent for grifting as someone like Sarah. More of a Kenneth Gladney type, Shame.

    Ms. Blackburn

    Employers, golf isn’t the issue vacation time is and no.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  152. Just prior to the 2008 Election, some pretty savvy Democrats were haunting conservative blogs.

    If these lightweights, DCSCA and Spartacus and a few other lightweights which I’ve seen here are all that they have now, that could be an indicator that those aforementioned savvy Democrats have become as disgusted with this current administration as we are.

    In any case, I’m optimistic that [a lot] of Democrats will show their eagerness to dump Obama, either by not bothering to vote or by voting for the Republican candidate. Obama is done. Stick a fork in him.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  153. I hope he dies screaming of rectal cancer.

    That’s the 2nd time.

    My father died of colon cancer, so there’s always a chance, asswipe.

    Any moderators working today?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  154. There is your cite you lying little piece of crap.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  155. Summit I think these are just the seatholders

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  156. Seat space holders sorry typo

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  157. #158 – Badda-Bing!!!

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  158. Cites please.

    Here’s one

    Now shut your pie hole.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  159. @158 I had forgotten about that, seems the people responsible were dealt with adequately. But it hardly seems to rise to the seriousness of say Brightfarts attack on Shirley Sherrod for example.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  160. #162 – You’ve got to get up early in the morning to get ahead of SPQR.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  161. So it’s an immediate hit to the value of a house.

    this is true. I don’t know how to fix that. Other than this all has to be part of a much larger fairer flatter simpler tax code reform.

    My hopes aren’t high. Especially after seeing that super committee fiasco.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  162. I’m sorry but your guy Sean Penn wished someone die of rectal cancer first fag.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  163. friend of terrorists
    fundamental transformer
    King Barry the Putz

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  164. Spartacvs and his ilk wish death on people and play the victim when their words are trounced back on them.

    Still going for the ad hominem right you egotistical prick.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  165. should be an ? there.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  166. rank partisanship
    King Barry blames all but him
    he wants to build roads!

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  167. Spartacvs is a little fascist ain’t he?

    The brat has the audacity to complain abut echo chambers.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  168. These trolls aren’t being paid, no one would pay someone to post such stupid drivel. They are just in search of sick kicks. They are masochists, and come here to get verbally bitch-slapped, and in reality are crying out, “Spank me daddy, spank me hard.”

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  169. #172 – LOL!!! Now [that] was funny!!!

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  170. full lock vapor swoon
    overwhelms m00nbattery
    spurty sniffs the throne

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  171. @158 I had forgotten about that, seems the people responsible were dealt with adequately. But it hardly seems to rise to the seriousness of say Brightfarts attack on Shirley Sherrod for example.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 4:39 pm

    You are a liar. You never forgot about it. And having a government employee searching state records for information to discredit someone exercising their free speech rights is infinitely more serious than a private party doing nothing more than discussing a video in the public domain.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  172. See, here’s a key difference, Spartacvs. Your opinions are based on fraud, deceit, and fantasy. We know what we are talking about and back up what we claim.

    And that’s going to always be the difference.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  173. 🙂 Summit

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  174. What flavor kool ade
    soros serving spurty and
    DCSCA?

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  175. The Bloom is off the Rose…

    @ http://www.npr.org/2011/08/11/139506429/president-gets-big-megaphone-but-may-be-tuned-out

    “…Trey Grayson of the Harvard Institute of Politics has a theory about why: “I think it’s because the problem we have right now is … both political parties are so governed by the extreme voices on either end that those are the voices that they’re listening to.”…Grayson believes the persuadable centrist Americans are those with the least clout on Capitol Hill…”

    I guess those “persuadable centrists” don’t include the TEA Party which draws from all sides,
    and sent 80+ Representatives and one or two Senators to Capitol Hill last Fall.
    A generation+ ago they said the same thing about the “Silent Majority”.
    This is the usual suspects talking to each other in their little echo chamber where they practice reinforcing each other’s understanding of the conventional wisdom.
    It is what they were saying in October of 2010, much to their later chagrin.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  176. Oh, I don’t know. He is so ditzy that he might have forgotten about it. He can’t decide which sock goes on which foot when he gets dressed in the morning.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  177. wearing “kick me” sign
    and spurty is all bidness
    bidness is booming

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  178. #177 – You have a sick mind, you know that, don’t you? 🙂

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  179. Everyone knows that in troll circles, socks are worn over your head.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  180. Comrade Jan Schakowsky volunteered, but was not selected for the super committee. So that’s worth at least one clink of the ol’ snifter after dinner.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  181. spurty drinks deeply
    somewhere in Hell a smile cracks
    Reverend Jim Jones

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  182. Puddles

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  183. Dumbass Spartac is an insane rabid troll.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  184. #187 – Aren’t we all? 🙂

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  185. #187 – Aren’t we all? 🙂

    Comment by Summit, NJ — 8/11/2011 @ 5:11 pm

    Naaah. No bridges, and no signs of excessive foaming mouths 😉

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  186. 186.. No fair. I was just passing on a funny joke that was dirty clean that I received via email.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  187. @121- This writer has made no secret of the belief that the nation needs another JFK/FDR; a ‘Captain Kirk’ on the bridge. Instead, Americans elected a ‘Mr. Spock.’ And the poor perspective of the alternative presented in 2008, shows, in part, why:

    “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.”
    —Sen. John McCain, Republican Presidential Candidate, Sept. 25, 2008

    ‘On a day when unemployment was 6.1 percent and the Dow at 10,918, [today, unemployment is 9.1% and the Dow closing about the same, at 11,143.41] John McCain said, “The fundamentals of our economy are strong.” With America facing a credit crash, McCain’s words sounded tinny…’ – Source, Karl Rove/Newsweek
    http://2010.newsweek.com/top-10/most-memorable-quotes/mccain-the-fundamentals-of-our-economy-are-strong.html

    As FDR asserted in his ’33 inaugural:

    This Nation asks for action, and action now. Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our natural resources…There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped merely by talking about it. We must act and act quickly.” – source, FDR Inaugural Address, 1933.

    http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Franklin_Roosevelt's_First_Inaugural_Address

    It’s a good read and echoes of its pragmatic, proactive tone need to be heard again these days.

    There’s little doubt the ‘fascinating’ Mr. Ospocka is vulnerable and deservedly so. To be sure, global events- quakes and such- beyond his control have been wild cards but not the place to lay blame. Obama is not radiating the kind of expected optimism and confidence (a la FDR and Reagan) these trying times demand. Over sold, under-delivering, surprisingly passive, he is a disappointment thus far. So, for that matter, is Congress and the opposition party there in; its obstructionist position voiced through, ‘I want him to fail’ Rush Limbaugh. Action is needed, not the analytical observations of a ‘first officer’– or a law professor lamenting the give and take of the political process. And speeches such as Monday’s ‘America will always be ‘triple-A’ [in our hearts, ugh,] malarkey and today’s hot air in Michigan aren’t cutting it, as the large market fluxuation have shown. Hoover tried to talk his way out of the depression, failed and got the boot. And tonight, in seeming disconnect, Mr. Ospocka is at a $35,000/plate fundraiser in NYC. Rich food, poor planning.

    Americans know the previous administration carries much of the blame for elements of this mess but in mid-2011, there’s no point in reminding them over and over, as the dying dregs of supply-side economics, -Reaganomics- plays out. The three decades of disasterous, financial deregulation, debt-burdened, ‘deficits-don’t matter’ policies have failed the nation and the final chapter is playing out. You cannot negotiate or compromise with idealogues. But blaming Reagan, Bush, Clinton and especially Dubya, nearly three years into the Obama presidency garners little sympathy anymore than it would have if Churchill kept faulting Chamberlain in the summer of 1940 as London was blitzed.

    We’re at war on several fronts and our people, on all political points of the compass, are being figuratively and literally battered and bombed. Action is needed. Not words, Mr. Ospocka. Action. In short: grow a pair.

    The ill-conceived brinkmanship of recent days coupled with plans for a ‘super committee’ generates little confidence that definitive ‘action’ is forthcoming. Accordingly, the opportunity exists for a fresh direction. Offer independents a sane, viable, alternative and they’ll swing the election. But who? Bachmann? Pawlenty? Cain? Huntsman? Gingrich? Paul? Santorum? Romney? Palin…. now ‘Johnny Reb’ Perry? And what of Jeb? Reads like the bulk ingredients on a bag of mixed nuts– or more accurately, a tea bag. The nation is crying out for decisive, intelligent, assertive, executive leadership as the changing times of the 21st century unfolds. Action. Instead, the caricatures on parade are simple entertainment. Smurfs on Fox.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  188. 🙄 No I do not suck Obamas weenie like spartac does.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  189. Will not cite, Mr. Spartacvs.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  190. DCSCA the copy and paste bandit strikes again.

    peedoffamerican (ee1de0)

  191. but if it brownish
    and not sweet then maybe it
    not really kool ade?

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  192. There was a great commenter around here for a long time, fellow named “Dmac.” When these giant Wall O’ Texts would appear, Dmac would simply write in response:

    Could I please subscribe to your newsletter?

    Always made me laugh.

    DCSCA has issues, as anyone can see…even without delving into his history of posting here.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  193. I just watched the Romney clip from today. I am not a big fan but I didn’t see him flub up. I thought he did well considering lefties sent their ill-mannored goon squad.

    AZ Bob (7d2a2c)

  194. FDR’s 1st Inaugural…
    He spent all of 1932 compaining that Hoover was spending too much money, just sloshing the Red Ink around Washington, got Elected, and
    Then came a Horseman called the New Deal…

    No one had ever seen so much money spent so fast on so much accomplishing so little!

    Well, until Obama.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  195. #190 Hey, timing is everything. It cracked me up.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  196. DCSCA @ #191 – Snappy come-back, dude, snappy. 🙂

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  197. Snappy comeback my left ventricle.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  198. We need another FDR? Sure, another fast talking conman … just what we need.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  199. Sarcasm, #201, sarcasm.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  200. Sparticus,
    1) CO-rrect. Employers. Bonus question: Do regulations and taxes effect the ability of employers to hire employees?
    2) True. It’s not a 10 day vacation but the comparison btwn MSM portrayal of even “Golf” outings for GWB and BO is…Crickets. Does BO bring his jobs lazer on his golf outings?
    3) Gold star for honesty. Sorry no space cookies or lemonade. The former is too high in trans-fats and the latter we need a costly permit for.
    Ms. Blackburn

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  201. We need another FDR like we need Obama to give us a ritual teabagging.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  202. King Barry buh bye
    we’re livin’ liberal lie
    had enuf buh bye

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  203. DohBiden wrote:

    We need another FDR like we need Obama to give us a ritual teabagging.

    Well, our friends on the left won’t really mind it that much; they’re already used to a similar flavor from continually kissing President Obama’s ass.

    The Dana who tells it like it is (f68855)

  204. Barry bemoans, “Just one term?”
    The libs, they get heartburn
    They had such high hopes
    For the big dope
    Now it’s the GOP’s turn!

    The Limerick Avenger (f68855)

  205. Simon Jester, I’ve often wondered what happened to Dmac – do you know if he’s still around?

    Teabagging is so yesterday.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  206. Dana, I get e-mails from him from time to time. I’ll tell him to write to you. I think he got tired of the trollery…even though his responses to them always tickled me.

    As for epithets, don’t forget the ever-classy “teatard” and I’m sure they will come up with more.

    At least we didn’t get played by our candidate. Most of us voted holding our noses. They believed in that silly Hope and Change stuff…from a Chicago pol. No wonder they are cranky.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  207. Comment by The Dana who tells it like it is — 8/11/2011 @ 6:44 pm

    They do it to get the taste of Stimulus and ObamaCare out of their mouths.

    ropelight (ffa587)

  208. Ms. Blackburn – is that why we have so many unemployed, because of high taxes and oppressive regulations?

    Forget golf, they both play golf. Stick to a comparison of the amount of time each spent on vacation at the same point in their presidency. That after all, is the thrust of Karl’s misleading rant.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  209. Simon Jester, please give Dmac my best. His absence has been noticed.

    Dana (4eca6e)

  210. Fox’s Chris Wallace is a hardcore, liberal Democrat. Of course, he is going to play gotcha to embarrass Republican candidates. That is a no brainer.

    Michelle Bachman should not have taken the bait, and she should not have attacked Pawlenty, and visa versa. That was stupid, [very] stupid.

    Newt Gingrich and Mitt Romney were the only credible candidates in that debate tonight, imo.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  211. Why, Hax! Why should we forget golf? I seem to remember the Left going on and on about GWB and golf. Have you forgotten?

    But then, you are just…a hack.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  212. Ms. Dana: Dmac is a great fellow. I miss him too.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  213. King Barry is half white it’s true
    under the bus his white granny he threw
    his cad daddy, a funster
    mom looked like Ed Munster
    Commie pinkos and Alinsky he knew

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  214. _____________________________________________

    @121- This writer has made no secret of the belief that the nation needs another JFK/FDR;

    That writer, therefore, is a fool and an idiot…

    newsroom.ucla.edu, Meg Sullivan, August 10, 2004

    Two UCLA economists say they have figured out why the Great Depression dragged on for almost 15 years, and they blame a suspect previously thought to be beyond reproach: President Franklin D. Roosevelt.

    After scrutinizing Roosevelt’s record for four years, Harold L. Cole and Lee E. Ohanian conclude in a new study that New Deal policies signed into law 71 years ago thwarted economic recovery for seven long years.

    “Why the Great Depression lasted so long has always been a great mystery, and because we never really knew the reason, we have always worried whether we would have another 10- to 15-year economic slump,” said Ohanian, vice chair of UCLA’s Department of Economics. “We found that a relapse isn’t likely unless lawmakers gum up a recovery with ill-conceived stimulus policies.”

    In an article in the August issue of the Journal of Political Economy, Ohanian and Cole blame specific anti-competition and pro-labor measures that Roosevelt promoted and signed into law June 16, 1933.

    “President Roosevelt believed that excessive competition was responsible for the Depression by reducing prices and wages, and by extension reducing employment and demand for goods and services,” said Cole, also a UCLA professor of economics. “So he came up with a recovery package that would be unimaginable today, allowing businesses in every industry to collude without the threat of antitrust prosecution and workers to demand salaries about 25 percent above where they ought to have been, given market forces. The economy was poised for a beautiful recovery, but that recovery was stalled by these misguided policies.”

    In the three years following the implementation of Roosevelt’s policies, wages in 11 key industries averaged 25 percent higher than they otherwise would have done, the economists calculate. But unemployment was also 25 percent higher than it should have been, given gains in productivity.

    Meanwhile, prices across 19 industries averaged 23 percent above where they should have been, given the state of the economy. With goods and services that much harder for consumers to afford, demand stalled and the gross national product floundered at 27 percent below where it otherwise might have been.

    …Without the policies, they contend that the Depression would have ended in 1936 instead of the year when they believe the slump actually ended: 1943.

    …As union membership doubled, so did labor’s bargaining power, rising from 14 million strike days in 1936 to about 28 million in 1937. By 1939 wages in protected industries remained 24 percent to 33 percent above where they should have been, based on 1929 figures, Cole and Ohanian calculate. Unemployment persisted. By 1939 the U.S. unemployment rate was 17.2 percent, down somewhat from its 1933 peak of 24.9 percent but still remarkably high. By comparison, in May 2003, the unemployment rate of 6.1 percent was the highest in nine years.

    “The fact that the Depression dragged on for years convinced generations of economists and policy-makers that capitalism could not be trusted to recover from depressions and that significant government intervention was required to achieve good outcomes,” Cole said. “Ironically, our work shows that the recovery would have been very rapid had the government not intervened.”/b>

    Mark (411533)

  215. Spartacvs stop teabagging us with your drivel.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  216. the King Barry strut
    skinny-ass mack daddy mutt
    street corner hustler

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  217. “Ms. Blackburn – is that why we have so many unemployed, because of high taxes and oppressive regulations?”

    Short bus answer yes.

    Challenge me any day of the week. Because I live it.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  218. Fox’s Chris Wallace is a hardcore, liberal Democrat. Of course, he is going to play gotcha to embarrass Republican candidates. That is a no brainer.

    Wtf?

    Quick, someone call Roger Alies.

    Newt Gingrich and credible candidate, two things that do not belong in the same sentence.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  219. WTF?

    For once i agree with you.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  220. Comment by Mark — 8/11/2011 @ 7:04 pm

    “The Depression wasn’t so bad, if you had a job!”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  221. Ms. Blackburn – how so? corporate and personal taxes are at their lowest level for 35 years. Taxes were far higher under Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  222. Thanks to your ilk we had higher taxes under Reagan.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  223. and oppressive regulations?”

    Oh, look, Bunnies.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  224. Ah but you left out regulations and other money grubbing scams didn’t you?

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  225. Ha. Bunnies. So cute!

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  226. Sputrty – integrity check. What names have you commented under?

    JD (822109)

  227. #222 – You aren’t even rational. You’re nuttier than a squirrel turd.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  228. #223 – That figures.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  229. At least squirrel turds will grow something.
    spvrty is barren.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  230. I miss Dmac as well. Not sure what happened to him.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  231. @218- a fool and an idiot =sigh= Don’t be so hard on yourself. After all, a ‘Mark’ is just a blemish you can live with.

    The right-wing New Deal conniption fit
    Revisionist historians and economists keep trying to stomp on FDR’s legacy. But declaring that WPA workers were unemployed is just silly…


    http://www.salon.com/technology/how_the_world_works/2009/02/02/the_new_deal_worked

    Always a joy to see the Desperate Right desperately rewriting to ‘re-Right’ history. And it’s spelled ‘Great Depression’ not ‘Great Deception.’ Best you get to work on Reagan, fella. Now there’s a real ‘WPA’ project for ‘ya.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  232. Given your history of outright lies and bragging, don’t you think your writing this…

    “…desperately rewriting to ‘re-Right’ history…”

    …is pretty funny? Such a silly person, you are.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  233. Hey, DCSCA, care to list your wonderful accomplishments? We could do it for you, after all. New people will not believe it.

    And neither do the rest of us.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  234. Ah but you left out regulations and other money grubbing scams didn’t you?

    What regulations/scams have driven unemployment so high?

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  235. Spartacvs, well closing the Gulf to new drilling put a quarter of a million out of work.

    Sheesh, you really are a blithering idiot.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  236. “America needs to learn how to take a joke.” -Herman Cain 8/11/2011

    And tonight’s GOP comedy of errors has been quite an educaton, indeed. Smurfs on Fox. Memo to Bret & Chris: Alex Trebek called. Jeopardy! wants it’s bell back.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  237. And then Hax needs to chime in.

    Say, how about that lie of yours about the Founders? Care to correct that, or just poop some more elsewhere?

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  238. And it wasn’t even a good lie. It was a lazy and ignorant lie.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  239. Hey, DCSCA? A village needs it’s…well, you know the rest.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  240. *muttering* really hate that damn bell. my dogs will not stop barking.

    Sorry- carry on.

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  241. Spartacvs, well closing the Gulf to new drilling put a quarter of a million out of work.

    Cite please.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  242. @243- Yeah, was trying to have dinner w/family watching this and all complained it sounds like someone ringing the doorbell.

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  243. Sparticvs/Hax: what about your cites regarding the Founders? No, you just lied and crapped some more in another thread. And hilariously, you ask other people to prove their statements. You?

    How many names have you posted under? What games have you played to avoid the ban that you richly deserved? And the amusing part is you trying to act all honorable and establishment.

    Hack.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  244. Spartacvs, no. I’ve kicked yer ass on every time you pulled that “cite please” BS. Prove different, you lying POS.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  245. Cite please.

    You can Google it.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  246. *muttering* really hate that damn bell. my dogs will not stop barking.

    Sorry- carry on.

    Comment by ppk_pixie — 8/11/2011 @ 7:55 pm

    LOL.

    Really wish Perry had been part of it. It’s early yet, I know. It was a pretty asinine debate in my opinion.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  247. Sarah arrives tomorrow!

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (6bc30f)

  248. JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls is quite relevant here.

    JD (318f81)

  249. Really wish Perry had been part of it.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/11/2011 @ 8:07 pm

    You and me both! I especially want to hear his responses on foreign relations and immigration.

    Of course, the dogs would have been pissed to be evicted from the den for the whole thing, though.

    Noisy gigantic huffalumps but I am safe from that damn bell, by gawd *eye roll*

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  250. Really wish Perry had been part of it.

    All hail the new saviour. You guys never learn.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  251. Sparticus,

    I issue you an open and fair fight over:

    What regulations/scams have driven unemployment so high?
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 7:48 pm

    These subjects are very low on the MSM meter so they will challenge you. Are you ready.

    1) What effect does new CPSIA regulation have on small business/craftsmen
    2) What have NOAA regulations/litigation done to the Northeastern Seaboard.

    These are only two small things. I welcome you to cite places high taxation/regulation has been a success.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  252. @249/252 Perry won by not showing up. Everyone who did, lost. Including the ‘moderators.’

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  253. All hail the new saviour. You guys never learn.

    Comment by Spartacvs

    LOL. Obama is practically a religion to some democrats. Sea levels. Foam columns.

    I want Perry in the debates so I can learn more about his take on issues that I’m not yet clear on. I actually think about this stuff and go for the most fiscally conservative guy who is sane on foreign policy and will win.

    I think you’re projecting.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  254. Gingrich tells people to call their congressmen “now” and tell them to “repeal Sarbanes-Oxley”. Oh yeah that’ll do it – mentioning 10-year-old legislation that most voters have never heard of.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  255. I guess that discussing lies about people two hundred years dead is better, Hax? Seriously, dude.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  256. spurty gets busy
    does whiskey tango foxtrot
    how ’bout Shy Tuna?

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  257. Dear Blackburnsghost:

    Good luck with that. All the guy does is (as he himself put it) leave burning bags of poo on your metaphorical doorstep.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  258. As do many others who comment here I regularly read left leaning news and magazine sites so I can better understand the thinking that goes into some of the progressive talking points and policy positions. (I am referring to such sites as Mother Jones, Salon, New Republic, and of course the NYT and LATimes.) I think it is interesting and enlightening to read opposing viewpoints on what is going wrong in our country and consider suggestions on what needs to be done about it. There are some good writers on the left even if I often think they are misguided.

    My suggestion to you, Spurty and DCSCA and others who come to this site mostly to instigate and snarl, is that (in reverse) you might occasionally check out Weekly Standard, National Review, Reason, Forbes, and the WSJ just to name a few. There is some very good writing there. As is, your ignorance of conservative positions makes you look so off base, and your obliviousness to many quite basic historical events shows that your knowledge of economics and U.S. history is so skewed, that it is as if you are fighting blindfolded and with one arm tied behind your back. I’m not saying that broadening your horizons will change your minds about politics, but it sure as hell might make your comments more interesting and more nuanced and more worth reading and debating than the stink bombs you throw and the clueless questions you ask here. Just sayin’.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  259. These are only two small things. I welcome you to cite places high taxation/regulation has been a success.

    Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  260. I think Congress should be subject to Sarbanes Oxley.

    JD (318f81)

  261. Spork
    Pay attention in class!
    Thwak

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  262. it sure as hell might make your comments more interesting

    Yeah, that would be nice. There’s a drought of interesting lefties on right leaning blogs lately.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  263. Fox News put the rest of the networks to shame. They did everyone a service by asking most of the questions that will be asked by what passes for a moderator these days. ICHO

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  264. You read Washington Monthly elissa?

    Here’s Ezra Klien

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  265. With our without Journolist Juicebox?

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  266. You failed your integrity check, spurty.

    JD (318f81)

  267. Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton.

    Comment by Spartacvs —

    Not bad. Not bad at all. Let’s pass the 1998 budget for today, inflation adjusted, verbatim. Keep the post 9/11 reorganization of intel agencies, and otherwise, revert completely.

    Do you realize how much money we would save?

    Dustin (b7410e)

  268. I want Perry in the debates so I can learn more about his take on issues that I’m not yet clear on. I actually think about this stuff and go for the most fiscally conservative guy who is sane on foreign policy and will win.
    Comment by Dustin — 8/11/2011 @ 8:20 pm

    Well stated. And pretty much what I would have said, but you said it, so I say…what he said 😉

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  269. Blackburnsghost

    You asked for a cite of places where high taxes/regulation have been a success. I gave you the USA under presidents Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton. You disagree?

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  270. These are only two small things. I welcome you to cite places high taxation/regulation has been a success.

    Reagan, Bush 1, Clinton.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 8:24 pm

    Are you high? Reagan cut taxes and regulations. Bush 1 raised taxes and introduced significant new regulations, such as the second clean air act, Americans with Disabilities and major new wetlands regulations. According to Clinton in 1992 we had “the worst in economy in 50 years” if you recall, although if you’re doing bong hits you may not recall that.

    Clinton raised income taxes and cut capital gains taxes. In any case the best years of his time were due to the internet bubble and we were in a recession when he left office.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  271. Do you realize how much money we would save?

    Do you realize what proportion of such savings would come from the defense dept.?

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  272. ______________________________________________

    =sigh= Don’t be so hard on yourself.

    Wow, that’s the best you can do? But that’s okay. I don’t mind, just as long as you don’t fall for the notion that liberal bias — in you and others — infuses one with great compassion, generosity, humaneness and sophistication. It sure as hell doesn’t.

    BTW, the two UCLA economists didn’t even take this into consideration…

    ashbrook.org: Presidents Hoover and Roosevelt extended the Great Depression by passing large tax hikes on America’s major entrepreneurs. In 1932 Hoover signed a bill raising the tax on top incomes from 24 to 63 percent. Three years later, FDR raised the top marginal income tax rate to 79 percent.

    ^ So even a Republican identified with the Great Depression actually was anything but a 1930’s version of a Tea Party-er. Hoover instead had plenty of foolish liberal sentiment influencing the way he dealt with economic policymaking. And his successor, Roosevelt, took those leftist trends and, no surprise, one-upped them.

    Meanwhile…

    Taxhistory.org: Tax Analysts has recently acquired from the National Archives copies of the tax returns that Roosevelt filed between 1913 and 1937. And as a group, they reveal something striking: Roosevelt — a vicious and moralistic scourge of tax avoiders everywhere — had a penchant for minimizing his own taxes.

    During his first term in office, FDR repeatedly claimed that he was exempt from the high tax rates on personal income that Congress had enacted — and Roosevelt had approved — in the revenue acts of 1934 and 1935.

    In a series of letters to internal revenue officials, Roosevelt insisted that he could not be taxed at the heavy rates imposed on rich taxpayers during the mid-1930s.

    Liberal bias and liberal sentiment: A lack of common sense combined with a lot of phoniness, meshed together with no more generosity and humaneness than the average person. Truly worthless!

    Mark (411533)

  273. Simon thank you. I know.

    Sparticus,
    Please review the two things I asked you to. If for nothing else than for enlightenment.

    Really

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  274. I want Perry in the debates so I can learn more about his take on issues that I’m not yet clear on

    So what are you not clear on, maybe I could help?

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  275. You asked for a cite of places where high taxes/regulation have been a success. I gave you the USA under presidents Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton. You disagree?

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 8:38 pm

    There was no significant deregulation under Bush II although he did cut income taxes. Bush II added Sarbanes Oxley. So if Clinton was a high regulation regime then was Bush II even more so. Moonbats all think the economy was terrible during Bush II right?

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  276. Do you realize what proportion of such savings would come from the defense dept.?

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 8:41 pm

    Insert EPA et al

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  277. Gerald A – corporate and personal taxes were higher under Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton than they are today. True.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  278. EPA?

    You don’t like clean air, water, unpolluted rivers?

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  279. Does this troll have an “off” switch.

    Oh. Yeah, I guess he is kind of off.

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  280. Sparticvs–Yes, I do frequently read Ezra, but usually in the Wapo. I consider his work to be somewhat shallow due to his age and inexperience, but it’s still interesting to see what the world looks like to someone like him. Thanks ever so much for the thoughtful link. But the point of my lengthy yet sincere comment was not to ask you to provide me with material. Rather, it was to suggest that you occasionally look for and find things for yourself to read from the right side. Articles that could be of interest to you and that you could use to broaden your knowledge base about the 50% or more of your fellow American citizens who politically lean right.

    elissa (7e8c9c)

  281. The EPA hates jobs.

    JD (318f81)

  282. Gerald A – corporate and personal taxes were higher under Reagan, Bush 1 and Clinton than they are today. True.

    That may be so but regulations most certainly were not higher and businesses, especially S Corp small businesses, anticipate the expiration of the Bush tax cuts. It’s known that the anticipation of tax and regulatory changes have an impact before they actually happen.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  283. Well Ezra, like Drum, Benen, Yglesias, are interesting only to gauge their failure to understand basic concepts,

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  284. Dude if Zimbabwe had an EPA their waters would still be polluted because they lack money to clean it.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  285. So what are you not clear on, maybe I could help?

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/11/2011 @ 8:43 pm

    You do not have any credibility for analysis. If Perry can’t make his own case then I won’t vote for him. It’s not complicated. I wish you democrats would figure that out. I have no idea why you elected someone who promised to cut the deficit in half while dramatically increasing spending, or was anti and pro war. It’s like you guys are fools.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  286. The regulations are coming! The regulations are coming!

    I hadn’t realized the ‘job creators’ were such pantywaists.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  287. Sparticus,
    Just look into the two things I asked you to. Ok? Not a lobotomy.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  288. I wasn’t aware SpartacVS had an lobotomy?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  289. Gracious, the term pantywaist sure has changed. Last I knew it was more about whining individuals that need nanny government to hold their wittle hands because fire’s hot, water’s wet and if you spend all the moolah, yer ass is broke.

    Who knew?

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  290. elissa – more like 40%, regular conservatives are fine. It’s the tea bagger types that concern me, because they are not only destroying the republican party but they are dragging the whole country down the nihilist path with them.

    Spartacvs (05cc44)

  291. SpartacVS hates america and the GOP.

    Just ignore the POS.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  292. The regulations are coming! The regulations are coming!

    I hadn’t realized the ‘job creators’ were such pantywaists.

    Devastatingly logical argument there.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  293. I have no idea why you elected someone who promised to cut the deficit in half while dramatically increasing spending

    The main thing they were sure of was that the “rich” were going to get thrown in jail and farms collectivized or something. Details like deficits were beside the point.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  294. Did ya hear that? Sparticles is concerned for the health of the Republican Party.

    Icy Texan (bd8473)

  295. Tea Partiers are nihilists?

    Inigo Montoya would like a word with you.

    Sorry. This is what democracy looks like. They pledged not to raise taxes. To balance the budget, they intend to cut spending. That is not nihilism.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  296. @#258 Jester, kind sir. Thy charming affinity for Ye Olde Anglo dudes, clad in powdered wigs, silk frocks, hosiery and knee high britches, quilling parchmented prose by lantern light in a corner booth at yonder tavern is quaint. Dress up and join us. The lads be swilling warm ale from pewter tankards, snorting snuff and puffing on clay pipes full of my Virginia tobacco between wenches and frequent visits to see a stable boy about a horse into the wee hours. And they truly be wee. Come, buy a round or two. Nay, three! But Hear Ye! Hear Ye! There be a fresh two-holer back of said tavern and hear by, be it known that copies of Federalist Number 5 therein are for reading purposes only. Now I must be off. The wife has a new pleasure on which we shall dine this warm night- a curious concoction she has named after her own person. Such a fuss she makes over this Dolly Madison Ice Creame. At times, a real Payne.

    Jimmy Madison (9d1bb3)

  297. “The nation is crying out for decisive, intelligent, assertive, executive leadership as the changing times of the 21st century unfolds.”

    But, instead they got the Great Black Dope.

    The poor old nation can’t get a break.

    Dave Surls (ca157a)

  298. Irony, it’s what’s for dinner:

    His toughly worded message – he said there was frustration in his voice, in case anyone missed the point – came amid a series of polls showing that people are disgusted with political dysfunction and are dispensing blame all around, including on Obama.

    Obama aired his frustration with the ways of Washington at an event in Michigan before pivoting to his re-election campaign and a pair of big-money fundraisers in New York City.

    He delivered a condensed version of that message at a fundraiser at the lower Manhattan home of movie producer Harvey Weinstein, where celebrities Gwyneth Paltrow and Jimmy Fallon, were among the approximately 50 guests who paid $35,800 each to attend.

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  299. synapses misfire
    hurky jerky spasticles
    bought tank of bad gas

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  300. #294 – And yet, when it suits you for no rational reason, you agree with that “POS”. Go figure.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  301. in martha’s vineyard
    oysters will be well-shucked
    cast pearls before swine

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  302. common sense return
    rational go national
    Zero truly fookt

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  303. With respect to the Republican Presidential Candidates’ Debate on Fox last night, all four Fox News Analysts agreed that Newt Gingrich “won the battles”, but that Mitt Romney “won the war”, and that Bachman and Pawlenty hurt each other when they foolishly allowed liberal Chris Wallace to goad them into attacking each other. Although he wasn’t even there, clearly Rick Perry was the 800 pound gorilla haunting that room, imo.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  304. The GOP is obviously not serious about debt reduction:

    Fox debate clip

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  305. SpartacBS your 57 flavors of irony.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  306. The back and forth between Bachmann and Pawlenty didn’t help either but at least Bachmann’s critiques of Pawlenty made some sense. Pawlenty blamed Bachmann for not changing legislative outcomes like Obamacare. Pawlenty seems a little desperate.

    Gerald A (9d78e8)

  307. Spurty is desperate

    JD (318f81)

  308. Stick a fork in Pawlenty, he’s done.

    The crazy lady will stick around until the final act, but even republicans aren’t dumb enough to nominate her, not quite yet.

    That leaves pastor Perry, running the GW playbook and hoping everybody has forgotten all about the failed experiment in democracy that was the recent Bush presidency (say, how did we get here America?) and the Mormon.

    Fun times.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  309. All 6 Dem members of the super committee are giant tax and spend leftists. Murray, Van Hollen can leverage their roles as campaign chairs, and Becera is already using it to fundraise. And spurty wants to talk about someone else not being serious?

    JD (318f81)

  310. That leaves pastor Perry, running the GW playbook and hoping everybody has forgotten all about the failed experiment in democracy that was the recent Bush presidency

    Yeah, when unemployment was only between four & six percent, we didn’t have deficits in the trillions, and the United States wasn’t a laughingstock with an in-over-his-head dumbass trying to pass himself off as a president.

    Yeah, Short Bus – please run against Bush again in ’12. Please. (guffaw)

    Darth Venomous (c8614a)

  311. Here’s looking at you teabaggers:

    A Standard & Poor’s director said for the first time Thursday that one reason the United States lost its triple-A credit rating was that several lawmakers expressed skepticism about the serious consequences of a credit default — a position put forth by some Republicans.

    Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said.

    “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

    Not serious about the debt. Own it.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  312. TEA Partiers aren’t nihilists, and they aren’t Republican shock troops either, they’re Independent voters with their own agenda. And they don’t give a damn what stupid accusations mud slinging partisan fools throw around, or what absurd categories MSM uses attempting to define them, or what threats bullies make trying to intimidate them.

    Such nonsense only demonstrates how unprincipled, frightened, and ineffective the entrenched oppressors have become. They know for whom the bell tolls, and they can read the handwriting on the wall. The enemies of freedom know a real change is coming, they don’t like it, but they can’t stop it.

    The TEA Party represents the mobilization of the spirit of American independence and freedom. It’s an honest and direct expression of the principles of self-reliance and self-governance. The TEA Party is America on the march, it’s going from one victory to the next, and it’s not going away.

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  313. sounds like America’s thuggy thuggy crack whore of a president has had his people lean on the monkeys at Standard and Poor

    but none of the teadoodles ever said that we should default… they said that not raising the debt ceiling would not lead to a default… which was true

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  314. Spartacvs, the actual release from S&P says something different but you ignore that because you are the Nutty Spartacvs. And you are dishonest.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  315. I think this is his source SPQR person

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  316. @313:

    Yeah, when unemployment was only between four & six percent, we didn’t have deficits in the trillions, and the United States wasn’t a laughingstock with an in-over-his-head dumbass trying to pass himself off as a president.

    Ask yourself where did that unemployment and the deficits come from.

    Unemployment rate

    US National debt by presidential terms

    We are still dealing with the fallout from 8 years of the idiot from TX.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  317. =All 6 Dem members of the super committee are giant tax and spend leftists=

    Oh JD, I never saw that one coming. Any objective yet keen observer might think the Dems were throwing red meat and bones to their rabidly angry base rather than trying to solve the nation’s urgent problems with good faith effort. (You know, the balanced approach idea.)

    elissa (986262)

  318. Yes they did give him the full Luigi Vercotti treatment,

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  319. Spurty is desperate. A whiny bitchy little child, except kids are not usually so dishonest. Rather pathetic.

    JD (318f81)

  320. Mr. Bush’s worst annual deficit is a whisper of a fart set next to the torrent of debt diarrhea Obama has unleashed year after year

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  321. The TEA Party represents the mobilization of the spirit of American independence and freedom.

    Did you get that from a Freedom Works press release?

    Who is doing the mobilizing and who is paying for it and who gets to benefit the most? As always in politics in the good ‘ole US of A in recent times, follow the money.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  322. Exactly elissa. Now you tell me, where exactly is the balance in the republican approach so far?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  323. Its is Spartacvs who is not serious about the deficit, here are the tax increases that would have been necessary to close it under what were two years ago more favorable deficit numbers. Massive tax increases on all taxpayers in all brackets.

    The Democrats can’t do basic math. There must be large spending cuts from their profligate spending. Spartacvs just shows his ignorance and his dishonesty with every single comment.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  324. Mr. Bush’s worst annual deficit is a whisper of a fart set next to the torrent of debt diarrhea Obama has unleashed year after year

    Can you not read charts happy? or follow links?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  325. Yeah, follow the money, the labor unions put tens of millions into the Wisconsin recalls, and flopped.

    The postal service just announced a plan to lay off 120,000 workers and pull out of the Federal health plan to save money.

    The union backbone of the Democrats is dead meat. And without them, the Democrats can’t win elections (indeed, they are already losing elections with them).

    SPQR (26be8b)

  326. ==follow the money==

    That’s actually pretty easy. Just follow air force one’s destinations and the Washington cocktail party circuit for the next 15 months..

    elissa (986262)

  327. SP – that’s not a balanced approach, but then neither is all spending cuts and no revenue increases. A balanced approach, by definition has some of both.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  328. happyfeet, I know. I read the actual release however, because I actually do my own homework. Unlike Spartacvs who just shills the same hack websites.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  329. Spartacvs, “balanced approach” is rhetoric. You can’t do basic math. The Democrats and you are simply lying. You can’t close the deficit by even a fraction with any realistic tax increases. There are going to have to be probably 5 to 1 spending cuts over taxes to get real traction on the outrageous deficit numbers that Democratic spending has created.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  330. Yeah, follow the money, the labor unions put tens of millions into the Wisconsin recalls, and flopped.

    Where the unions the only people putting money into the WI elections? where they even the largest single source?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  331. Spartacvs sneering about reading links is pretty hilarious since he once gave a link claiming it refuted my claims, when all it did was confirm them. Clown.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  332. Spartacvs, yes the unions were the single largest source in Wisconsin. They picked the fight, they created what they thought was the battle on their best ground – low turnout special elections where their GOTV efforts would prevail and they failed.

    Unions are dead men walking. Democrats will fade away in the future as a result but not fast enough to save their country from their folly and incompetence.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  333. Anyone who looks at the Tax Prof blog link I supplied above knows that Spartacvs is full of crap and the Democrats are intentionally lying to the American people.

    There is simply no other conclusion.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  334. elissa –

    Just follow air force one’s destinations and the Washington cocktail party circuit for the next 15 months.

    Is it your understanding that GW never did fundraisers during his presidency and never used AF1 to travel to a fundraiser?

    You can’t close the deficit by even a fraction with any realistic tax increases. There are going to have to be probably 5 to 1 spending cuts over taxes to get real traction on the outrageous deficit numbers that Democratic spending has created.

    Republicans aren’t even willing to go to 5 to 1, that’s why we got the fake debt ceiling crisis that morphed into hostage taking. You might want to examine exactly who’s outrageous spending has created our current debt levels. See the data in post 319 above.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  335. Balance? We don’t need no stinkin’ balance. We need to focus on the debt problem, keep our eye on the ball. Balance is diversionary bullshit, it diverts attention from the root cause of our financial difficulty.

    Balance is Demo-speak for strangling the economy with more tax burdens. Balance kills jobs and puts working families on welfare and food stamps.

    Balance is the road to failure, that’s why Democrats are kicking and screaming, they’ll do anything to avoid facing the fact their spending agenda is falling apart in their faces.

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  336. Anyone who looks at the Tax Prof blog link I supplied above

    will understand that you can’t close the deficit with only tax increases. So what’s your point?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  337. Spartacvs, wikipedia is a joke source. The page you linked puts all of FY 2009 deficit on Bush’s administration when there was in fact no budget adopted until after his term, and Obama put hundreds of billions of debt into the FY2009 budget with the faux stimulus.

    Either you know this and are a liar or you are incompetent. Frankly, I long ago concluded both were true.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  338. Venkman is just too ridiculous,

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  339. ropelight, “balanced” is Democratic speak for raising taxes on those evil rich people for class warfare purposes while failing to cut spending at all. “Balanced” is Democratic rhetoric for failing to address the deficit at all except as an excuse for punitive taxation and economy-destroying policies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  340. We need to focus on the debt problem

    Depends what your priorities are.

    If your priorities are economic recovery and getting people back to work in order to grow the economy, then short focusing on the debt with 9+% unemployment, zero interest rates and a stagnant economy is exactly the wrong prescription.

    What are your priorities?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  341. Milton Wolf piece:

    What’s worse, Obamacare is a parasite that threatens the very survival of its host economy. When Mr. Obama signed his namesake health care takeover into law in March 2010, he converted his wishful-thinking “recovery summer” into the Obama Depression. This before-and-after moment of the Obama presidency saw private-sector job creation plummet from a modest 67,600 new jobs per month to a flat line of 6,500. Compare that with the 285,800 jobs created per month under President Reagan during the similar time period in the 1980s.

    Those are Democratic policies. Kill your job for ideological reasons.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  342. nobody ever downgraded the United States’ credit rating when Bush was president

    but boy Obama sure blew it now America has the credit rating of a second-rate country

    how embarrassing

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  343. If a dishonest troll lies on a blog, does it make any noise?

    Simon Jester (0a2e6a)

  344. Priorities? When the economy was first in the depths of recession, Democratic policies were to spend an entire legislative year focused on …. massive attack on the health ins industry and a new mandate on employers.

    You are a clown Spartacvs.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  345. SP – Who’s the idiot again?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  346. SPQR – Incompetent liar, spurty is. He has trotted that BS out repeatedly, and timmah tried a mendoucheous version of that as well. They are dishonest at a very base level. Aggressively and brazenly mendoucheous.

    JD (318f81)

  347. Spartacvs, you are the idiot. From your article:

    With projected receipts less than projected outlays, the budget proposed by President Bush predicts a net deficit of approximately $400 billion dollars, adding to a United States governmental debt of about $11.4 trillion. Actual tax receipts totaled approximately $2.1 trillion – significantly less than the $2.7 trillion expected. The actual deficit in 2009 was $1.4 trillion.

    So Bush’s budget would have been $700 billion ($400 billion proposed with an add’l loss of $300 billion in revenue) in deficit, but after Obama added stimulus and other spending it was 1.4 trillion.

    Once again, you “proved” me wrong by proving me right.

    You are an incompetent clown.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  348. “What are your priorities?”

    Keeping the government from stealing my money and giving it to scum like you.

    Dave Surls (2f179e)

  349. Spartacvs, I get enormous amusement by the fact that you can’t understand the fundamentals of this issue at all. That everything I write and link to goes over your head. And everything you find to link to goes over your head as well.

    You are an incompetent clown, Nutty Spartacvs.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  350. SP – forget the jobs created under Reagan, lets see a comparison between W and Obama.

    Unemployment Bush v Obama

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  351. Spartacvs calls me an idiot and links to a Wikipedia page that establishes that Obama doubled the FY 2009 deficit that a previous “proof” of Spartacvs’ had ascribed entirely to Bush.

    Flaming incompetence.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  352. Spartacvs, the comparison to Reagan was to equivalent positions in the post-recession recovery cycle. Again, a point you can’t understand.

    Flaming incompetence continues.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  353. From the Tax Foundation; (h/t William Jacobson)

    Recently released IRS data for 2009, shows that taxpayers earning over $200,000 paid 50 percent of the $866 billion in total income taxes paid that year, or $434 billion. Skeptics will say, “That’s because they earn the majority of the income in America. Not so. These taxpayers earned 25 percent of the $7.6 trillion in total adjusted gross income in the country that year.
    The 2009 IRS data also shows that a record 58.6 million tax filers had no income tax liability that year. This means that 42 percent of the 140 million Americans who filed tax returns that year contributed nothing to the basic cost of government.
    Millions of people received cash “refunds” in 2009 even though they paid no income taxes: Some 21 million nonpayers received $27.5 billion in refundable credits from the child credit; Obama’s Making Work Pay program gave out $12.8 billion in refundable credits to 32 million filers; The Earned Income Tax Credit program doled out $54 billion in refundable credits to 24.9 million filers; and, nearly 5 million filers received $3.9 billion in refundable Education Credits and roughly 1 million filers got $4.65 billion in refundable credits under the First Time Homebuyers credit program.

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  354. Here’s the bottom line, the terrible and outrageous budget deficits of Bush would be an huge, outstanding and probably unattainable improvement over our situation today – and as far as the eye can see with Democratic budget projections.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  355. Crassus, I’ve often pointed to that data and Spartacvs can’t understand it, much less realize that it refutes all of his “fair share” rhetoric.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  356. happy – the downgrade is just one more consequence of the stinking turd W left on Obama’s doorstep. That and the teabagger revolution of 2010, which infused the Congress with the worst America has to offer in terms of adult representation.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  357. yes I’m an American but I pay my credit card off every munf we’re not all trash like the Obamas I swear to God

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  358. SP @350 was the crash of ’08 in W’s budget?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  359. More from Wolf’s piece:

    n Reagan’s recovery, we averaged 285,800 jobs each and every month. That was working from a population of 235 million, and a labor force almost exactly the same percentage of the population as it is today. So the overall population has increased by almost exactly 30% since 1984, and the labor participation rate has declined (dramatically) back down to where it was in 1984.

    Do the math.

    Starting in the “Recovery Summer” of two years ago, the Obama recovery should have been generating 371,540 jobs, on average, each and every month. Today, we still have fewer people working worse jobs for less pay than we did in 2009.

    It’s no coincidence that the 371,540 figure is pretty much right in the middle of Joe Biden’s 2009 estimate that any month now, the economy would be generating between 250,000 and 500,000 jobs each month. “Any month now” was 28 months ago.

    They really thought the jobs would come. They really did. They thought they could jump up and down on this economy and threaten its castigate the entrepreneurs and embolden the union leaches and swell the debt and everything would still come roaring back to life.

    Well, it hasn’t Jobs creation is off by a factor of almost five, compared to 1984. And total full-time employment has actually decreased since then — the net gain has been in part-time work that nobody wants, but anyone will accept.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  360. Oh Spartacus, shut up. You don’t have [any] understanding of the issues which you raise here. You’re obnoxious just to get attention. Children outgrow that. You haven’t.

    diabolical sock puppet (maniacal laughter) (75c9eb)

  361. Now we see Spartacvs going for “squirrel!” after getting his ass kicked again, with his own link.

    With your own link, you incompetent clown, I showed how your basic claims were frauds.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  362. With your own link, Nutty Spartacvs, I showed that you did not understand the fundamental data of the budget process. I showed that your attempt to blame Bush was a lie.

    With your own link.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  363. (In a Rob Schneider voice)

    Spartacvs … the link meister.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  364. Democratic budget projections that incorporate fixing the mess W left behind in his wake. The American people understand this and polling strongly reflects the fact that the public does not blame Obama for creating the current economic situation but they are critical of Obama for not fixing it sooner, some from the left and predictably everybody on the right. Look it up why don’t ya.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  365. Spartacvs, you can’t even cut and paste competently.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  366. By the way, the “fixing the mess W left behind” is a Democratic lie.

    Nothing in the budget excessive spending, “fixes” any “messes”. Not a dollar.

    The budgets are out of control because of out of control spending on the same things that Democrats were overspending upon before the recession.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  367. The Nutty Spartacvs, Master Linker.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  368. I am almost embarrassed for spurty. He is too dumb to insult, as he does not even understand when he is being insulted.

    JD (b98cae)

  369. “A Standard & Poor’s director said for the first time Thursday that one reason the United States lost its triple-A credit rating was that several lawmakers expressed skepticism about the serious consequences of a credit default — a position put forth by some Republicans.”

    Spvrty – It’s too bad that’s not even a quote from S&p, you serial plagiarist:

    “McClintock said that S&P executive David T. Beers told congressmen the key to sustaining a top-notch rating was $4 trillion in deficit savings.

    He recalled asking Beers at a meeting, “Well, how about $3 trillion?”

    “Beers’ response was emphatic — ‘No,’” the congressman said.

    The debt compromise failed to meet S&P requirements.

    S&P’s Mukherji said the trajectory and amount of deficit savings factored into the downgrade decision, along with the slow response to the potential crisis by the nation’s leaders.

    “What S&P wanted to see from the deal was a stabilization in the debt-to-GDP ratio over time,” he said. “We wanted to see something other than a line that kept going up. That’s what we didn’t see.”

    S&P publicly released its criteria for sovereign ratings on June 30, so there would some degree of transparency in how the decision was made.”

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61147_Page2.html#ixzz1UpRKPQTZ

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  370. JD, Nutty Spartacvs knows just how dishonest he is. The incompetence is a bonus that makes me laugh every single time he links to something that proves me right.

    And he does it regularly.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  371. With their outrageously irresponsible and excessive spending during those recent four years (2007-2010) when Democrats controlled both house of Congress, they [doubled] our debt to a whopping debt that now exceeds the debts of all previous presidential administrations combined, going all of the way back to the founding of this country. That is mind-boggling.

    Yeah, blame that on Bush. Congress spends our money, not the president, you dolt. You don’t even understand Basic Civics 101. What a fool.

    diabolical sock puppet (maniacal laughter) (75c9eb)

  372. Spvrty is a shovel ready lying liar troll.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  373. Spvrty – I hope the Democrats run Obama in 2012.

    Perhaps he will finally reveal his secret plan for America living with its fiscal means.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  374. #363/#374 – Rats, I forgot to drop my sock puppet.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  375. Without specifically mentioning Republicans, S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said.

    “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

    Teabaggers, who else?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0811/61147.html

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  376. most AAA sovereigns don’t have a ghetto trash president prosecuting a deadly war on his little country’s jobs and brutally raping his little country’s treasury several times a day

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  377. “most AAA sovereigns don’t have a ghetto trash president prosecuting a deadly war on his little country’s jobs and brutally raping his little country’s treasury several times a day”

    Mr. Feets – True dat.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  378. Spvrty @379 – I already quoted the relevant parts of that story @372 above. WINNING!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  379. The Nutty Spartacvs, Master Linker.

    Actually, SPQR, his expertise looks to be at baiting us.

    Which would make him a…

    Darth Venomous (c8614a)

  380. happyfeet @380

    ghetto trash president

    Another dumb ass racist is heard from.

    Are these threads moderated at all??

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  381. Yeah, Sparacus, it’s all the fault of the Tea Partiers. LOL

    You retard. It was Nancy Pelosi’s and Harry Reid’s Congress that doubled the debt from 8.1 trillion to 16.4 trillion.

    But you don’t care. It doesn’t affect you, you parasitic, little rodent.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  382. “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

    Own it daley

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  383. Spartacvs continues, dishonestly, to deny that the S&P release does not match his claims.

    But I’m sure he’ll give us another link that in fact proves he is wrong.

    After all, he’s Nutty Spartacvs, the Master Linker.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  384. Spartacvs, the link you provided to prove that FY 2009 deficit was all Bush’s fault proved the opposite.

    Own it, incompetent clown.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  385. They’re also arguing that the passage of a balanced budget amendment would have prevented the downgrade, even though a day after the announcement S&P Managing Director John Chambers stated without equivocation that a balanced budget amendment would hurt, not help, the government’s ability to respond to the fiscal crisis.

    Own it!

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  386. Spurty – integrity check. What are all of the names you have commented under?

    How do my ballz taste?

    Ironic that barcky threatening to default gets blamed on the teabaggerz. Teh One, your personal jesus, has now threatened to not pay the military, default, and to stop SS checks, none of which were necessary other than for the worst kind of partisan sniping, the kind you heart.

    JD (29e1cd)

  387. Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 8:45 am

    We expect the debt trajectory to continue increasing in the medium term if a
    medium-term fiscal consolidation plan of $4 trillion is not agreed upon. If
    Congress and the Administration reach an agreement of about $4 trillion, and
    if we to conclude that such an agreement would be enacted and maintained
    throughout the decade
    , we could, other things unchanged, affirm the ‘AAA’
    long-term rating and A-1+ short-term ratings on the U.S.

    http://www.standardandpoors.com/ratings/articles/en/us/?assetID=1245315237257

    Another Chris (c04459)

  388. the ghetto is where our Harvard boy went right after graduating. The is the exact opposite of the American dream I can’t help but notice.

    he organized it! He made himself a ghetto superstar while going to some weird hate America cult church.

    It’s just a coincidence he headed straight for the community where it’s easiest to score weed I think.

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  389. hmmm. *This* is the exact opposite of the American dream I mean

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  390. LOL, Spartacus can’t even read. His reading comprehension is so low that I suspect that he is dyslexic, probably with ADD, also. Liberalism is, indeed, a mental illness. Spartacus should be pitied. He is SUCH a retard, and a neurotic one at that.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  391. Own it!

    And the master debator backs up his “impeccable” logic with…yet another link from a MediaMatters sockpuppet site.

    YeahRight™, Short Bus. Pull the other one.

    Darth Venomous (c8614a)

  392. Bush was an idiot for vacationing. Obama a good family man.
    .
    .
    .
    Got it?!?!?

    S. Carter aka J-Z (786e37)

  393. Actually, SPQR, his expertise looks to be at baiting us.

    Which would make him a…

    Comment by Darth Venomous — 8/12/2011 @ 8:54 am

    Yeah, but he’s getting tedious and boring. He is so dense, shallow, ditzy and clueless that it’s gotten to be what it must be like to roll drunks or to take candy from babies.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  394. Another Chris – can’t get there without revenue increases, which is S&P’s whole point. Obama put a 4T deal on the table but Boner walked away because he couldn’t get revenue increases of any magnitude past the teabaggers.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  395. #398 – In the words of Dan Ackroyd, “You ignorant slut”, again you show that you don’t know squat about these issues. You never have your facts straight, and with good reason: You make them up as you go along, fooling only yourself with your lies.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  396. “You know, this is a critical issue, which is, how big is the government going to be?” “Back in the days of John F. Kennedy, the federal government took up, along with the state and local governments, 27 percent of the economy. Today, government consumes 37 percent of the economy. We’re inches away from no longer having a free economy.”

    Either Romney is (a) much dumber than we’ve been led to believe; (b) convinced GOP voters are easily fooled and he’s shamelessly lying to them, assuming they won’t know the difference; or (c) five consecutive years on the Republican presidential campaign trail have driven him to madness.

    Judging from the few days I’ve spent at this place, I’d go for (b)

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  397. (yawn)

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  398. Who won last nights debate?

    Obama, thx guys y’all did a great job.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  399. Judging from the few days I’ve spent at this place, I’d go for (b)
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 9:25 am

    Liar.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  400. “Anyone stupid enough to vote for her (Bachman) doesn’t have enough sense to run the slurpee machine in Des Moines”!

    Joe Scarborough.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  401. Obama’s Presidency is a miserable failure because his socialist agenda is destroying the American Dream, and everyone with open eyes and a clear grasp on reality knows it. It’s only a matter of time till we rid our nation of this noisy pretender. Obama and his pack of co-conspirators will be turned out of office in the next election. Good riddance to bad rubbish.

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  402. Yeah, but he’s getting tedious and boring.

    “Getting”?

    Darth Venomous (c8614a)

  403. No Stashiu3, (b) would definitely be my pick.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  404. ropelight get a clue.

    If you heard anything during last nights debate likely to fire up anyone outside the rabid republican base, please let the rest of us know.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  405. The Black Knight continues to demand to fight.

    And Spartacvs continues to misrepresent the S&P statement with brazen misquotes, misrepresentations and outright lies.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  406. Who won last nights debate?
    Obama, thx guys y’all did a great job.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 9:30 am

    — Aw, isn’t he precious?

    And to think, he’s all ours …

    Icy Tex (bee204)

  407. I’s right there in the text of the quote SP, what did I misquote, misrepresent or lie about?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  408. No Stashiu3, (b) would definitely be my pick.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 9:33 am

    Droll. (okay, I grinned b/c I opened myself up to it… well-played.)

    Hax, why the pretense? You’ve gotten the benefit of the amnesty and can safely spew your nonsense all day long if you follow the rules. Several of us can’t stand your lying butt, not that it matters to you, but I follow the rules and won’t treat you any different than a regular when I’m around.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  409. Spartacvs is an idiot?

    Wow that is like saying water is wet.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  410. Another Chris – can’t get there without revenue increases, which is S&P’s whole point.

    No, S&P’s point was that they didn’t care how it happened, just that it happened.

    As has been pointed out repeatedly, we could cut government back to 2003 levels and have a surplus. The fact that Democrats are saying that cutting back to those levels would cause life on this planet as we know it to end, shows just how unserious they are about curbing the debt.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  411. SpartacBS is shilling for S&P while his Pres is wanting to investigate them.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  412. I take it back.
    spvrty isn’t truthnjustice,
    he’s Levi!
    Has to be.
    No one else has ever been this relentless, or stupid.
    Glad to see that he’s cleared up that foul mouth at last.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  413. Levi isn’t relentless and stupid he’s very much of his generation I think

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  414. Stashiu3 – amnesty?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  415. No, S&P’s point was that they didn’t care how it happened, just that it happened.

    Doesn’t read like they don’t care to me:

    S&P senior director Joydeep Mukherji said the stability and effectiveness of American political institutions were undermined by the fact that “people in the political arena were even talking about a potential default,” Mukherji said.

    “That a country even has such voices, albeit a minority, is something notable,” he added. “This kind of rhetoric is not common amongst AAA sovereigns.”

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  416. Perry:

    “I don’t think our founding fathers, when they were putting the term ‘general welfare’ in there, were thinking about a federally operated program of pensions nor a federally operated program of health care. What they clearly said was that those were issues that the states need to address. Not the federal government. I stand very clear on that. From my perspective, the states could substantially better operate those programs if that’s what those states decided to do.”

    Get that? SS & Medicare are unconstitutional.

    Oh please, please give pastor Perry the nomination.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  417. While you were in “transition”, Patterico gave a blanket amnesty to everyone who had been banned or moderated. Free to return and comment.

    I’m not aware of any exceptions, but Patterico is aware you’re back and hasn’t mentioned doing anything. I haven’t asked either. I’m fine with you getting your butt kicked over and over, just as long as you follow the rules. So far, you have.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  418. Oh, but wait, Romney is going there too:

    “There are some similarities between what we did in Massachusetts and what President Obama did, but there are some big differences. And one is, I believe in the 10th Amendment of the Constitution. And that says that powers not specifically granted to the federal government are reserved by the states and the people.”

    Looking forward to either one of them explaining this further to the blue hairs in the general.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  419. The following excerpt is from the NY Post:

    NY turns negative on Bam
    Poll slip amid $$-raiser, by Geoff Earle, Post Correspondent, August 12, 2011

    WASHINGTON — President Obama might need to start taking a few more campaign trips to New York — and not just to raise cash.

    A stunning new survey gives the president a negative approval rating in the Empire State for the first time, with just 45 percent approval and 49 percent disapproval among voters, according to the latest Quinnipiac University poll.

    That’s a sharp turnaround from June, when Obama’s New York popularity was a healthy 57-38.

    In the 2008 presidential election, Obama carried New York with 63 percent of the vote…”

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  420. “Get that? SS & Medicare are unconstitutional.”

    Duh.

    Dave Surls (2f179e)

  421. He sells cartoon balloons in town, ya know

    Icy Texan (bee204)

  422. Patterico gave a blanket amnesty to everyone who had been banned or moderated

    I don’t believe I have ever been banned or moderated here, so the amnesty wouldn’t apply. I commented here for about a day perhaps a year ago, can’t remember the handle. Probably ‘Spart’.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  423. Judging from the few days I’ve spent at this place, I’d go for (b)

    Back in Kennedy’s day, at tax rates far higher than today, the amount of government spending was roughly $760 billion in today’s dollars, or $4,133 per capita, with the share of debt at $12,353 per capita.

    http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/year1960_0.html

    In 2010, that rose to $3.8 trillion in spending, or $12,262 per capita, but now with a greater share of debt at $49,695 per capita.

    In other words, in 50 years we’re now spending the same amount of money per capita that was owed in debt in 1960, adjusted for inflation, and the share of debt has skyrocketed.

    But no, Sparty, keep pretending that the government’s share of spending isn’t a problem.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  424. #412 – Rules? What are the rules?

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  425. ropelight – in which case, Obama is blessed by having the political enemies that he has. How are the teabaggers polling in NY? republicans in Congress? republican presidential candidates?

    Have a nice day!

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  426. 🙄 he must think inflation refers to Michelle Omorons boobs.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  427. That’s correct, Sparticles. Take your money when you’re young so they can dole some of it back to you when you’re old — grandma’s allowance from Uncle Nanny

    Icy Texan (bee204)

  428. this his full time job?
    all day long`spurty always
    here. what’s up with that?

    elissa (986262)

  429. It matters not a bit how many times you point out that spurty is a liar. He just hops along to his next lie like the last one never happened.

    Boehner walked away when Barcky changed the $800B revenue agreement, because that was not sufficient rapage of the actual taxpayer, and Barcky then wanted $1.2T, couple with BS phantom cuts. You have never been serious about this, and never will be. You are a clumsy liar.

    JD (306f5d)

  430. “That’s a sharp turnaround from June, when Obama’s New York popularity was a healthy 57-38.”

    Gallup has the Scumbag-Incompetent-Chief at 41% approve, 51% disapprove as of 8/8/11. Hopefully his approval ratings will nosedive in the months to come.

    If the economy doesn’t pick up by November 2012, my guess is that the Great Black Dope and the Dems are dead meat.

    The Dems are going to get the votes of the “Where’s My Welfare Check?” crowd, no matter what…but, I think the rest of the country is starting to wake up a tad, and are seeing that Obama is an incompetent loser, and that the Dems are screwing everything up both at home and abroad.

    We’ll see in about 15 months.

    Dave Surls (2f179e)

  431. Another Chris – what are the Clinton #’s

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  432. Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 9:56 am

    Your quotation has nothing to do with the $4 trillion in cuts S&P was expecting–and it was Obama and Carney constantly talking about and threatening default, not the Republicans.

    Default would only happen if Obama and Geithner broke the law and didn’t service the interest on the current debt–but that didn’t stop Obama from threatening it.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  433. Fourth Bruce: No. Right, I just want to remind you of the faculty rules: Rule One!

    Everybruce: No Poofters!

    Fourth Bruce: Rule Two, no member of the faculty is to maltreat the Abbos in any way at all — if there’s anybody watching. Rule Three?

    Everybruce: No Poofters!!

    Fourth Bruce: Rule Four, now this term, I don’t want to catch anybody not drinking. Rule Five,

    Everybruce: No Poofters!

    Fourth Bruce: Rule Six, there is NO … Rule Six. Rule Seven,

    Everybruce: No Poofters!!

    Fourth Bruce: Right, that concludes the readin’ of the rules, Bruce.

    Icy Texan (bee204)

  434. “Back in Kennedy’s day, at tax rates far higher than today…”

    No, they weren’t. You can see at the same website how the Feds are spending more money now than they did then…and that means that tax rates MUST be higher now.

    And, they are.

    Federal Government spending was 18.0% of GDP in 1963, the year Kennedy got capped, and it was 23.8% in 2010.

    Your federal tax rate IS higher now than it was then. It’s not a whole lot higher, but it is higher.

    Dave Surls (2f179e)

  435. Another Chris – what are the Clinton #’s

    Numbers adjusted for inflation, from 2000:

    Government spending: $2.346 trillion

    Spending per capita: $8,310.45

    Debt per capita: $26,146.00

    Still doesn’t beat the 1960 numbers.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  436. FOX NEWS reporting Appeals Court rules ObamaCare’s Individual Mandate is Unconstitutional. Details to follow.

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  437. IN state Rep. Phillip Hinkle (R) boy buggery

    Google it.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  438. What are the rules?
    Comment by Summit, NJ — 8/12/2011 @ 10:12 am

    In general, and not directed at you or anyone else in particular:

    “Your comments must follow our copyright policy. Commenters who do not use a consistent name, and/or who use a proxy to post, are subject to banning. Profane language will place your comment in moderation. If you are following the rules and your comment does not appear, do not assume I banned you; instead, e-mail me.”

    Add to that, don’t refer to his job or job performance in a negative manner on the blog. This is not connected to his job in any capacity and he doesn’t comment or post on any connection to his workplace, so he can’t respond in that area. That makes criticisms unfair, so anything like that gets nuked. Want to do it? Fine, email him and I’m sure he’ll discuss it. Don’t do it on the blog.

    Also, any behavior that is so far beyond decency that Patterico decides that person should be banned. It takes a lot for that to happen. I don’t ban people, but I will place them in moderation if it looks like they’re crossing the line. Patterico then decides if they should continue moderation, comment freely, or be banned. It’s his place and he wants it to stay open. I’m just a part-time volunteer who gets his pay doubled every few weeks. 😉

    If I missed anything, which is entirely possible as I’m a bit tired right now, the regulars or Patterico can correct/amend/add to the above.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  439. I don’t believe I have ever been banned or moderated here, so the amnesty wouldn’t apply. I commented here for about a day perhaps a year ago, can’t remember the handle. Probably ‘Spart’.

    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 10:09 am

    Are you using a proxy service via Japan? Have you?

    Why didn’t you respond when people said you were Hax Vobiscom (or whatever that name was)?

    Anyway, I can’t keep up with the trolls. I think you’re a troll, and I recall a while back the trolls were released from their cages with a blanket amnesty in hopes many of them would return and engage in some civil chats. Christoph tried and failed after a little while.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  440. It’s like the Gitmo rehabilitation program, and almost as successful. OT, the 11th Circuit Ct of Appeals has tossed out the individual mandate.

    Crassus (81c5c2)

  441. Another Chris

    I asked because Clinton represents the baseline of a 0 deficit handed to Bush.

    So what did he do with it?

    Spending +1.45T per capita +$3952, per capita debt +$23549 almost double.

    Obama’s baseline? let’s see if anyone can come up with some fair numbers reflecting the economic situation when Obama was sworn in.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  442. If spartacvs is not Hax, he has my sincere apologies for that mistake. There are several things that led me to that conclusion, but I’ll readily admit that his refusal to answer the question about ever having been to Japan is what convinced me he must be Hax. He is not using an anonymizer or he would already be gone.

    Spartacvs also uses many of the same phrases and “debate” tactics that Hax was famous for. He gets slapped down as easily as Hax ever was, but if he’s telling the truth, he hasn’t broken any rules.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  443. Notice how when Obama’s corruption is pointed out SpartacBS brings up bog buggery.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  444. Stashiu3

    any behavior that is so far beyond decency that Patterico decides that person should be banned.

    Well that one doesn’t seem to get enforced much, not judging by the obvious racism that permeates the comments of certain posters here.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  445. Stashiu3, haven’t seen an easier punching bag for awhile. He really amuses me with the link incompetence. Spartacvs’ ignorance of a topic increases with his vehemence in expressing his opinion upon it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  446. Well that one doesn’t seem to get enforced much, not judging by the obvious racism that permeates the comments of certain posters here.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 10:39 am

    Yours?

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  447. …handed a zero deficit…

    in the fallout from the .com bust, and nine-months before the attacks on 9/11, which caused IIRC a $1T loss to the economy.

    The Budget passed for FY-2000, might as well have been written in the term of Hammurabi, as much as it related to the conditions of 2001.

    BTW, just a reminder, the .com bubble burst when the Reno DoJ went after MS for anti-trust violations in ’98, and when it was appearant that MS would lose, The NASDAQ tanked, from which it has never recovered (5,132.52/10Mar00).

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  448. Nobody is forcing you to hang out here spartacvs. Start your own blog and you can make your own rules about what constitutes a racist remark or is beyond decent. I, for one, am tired of people calling others racist just to shut them up. Play the race card somewhere else or ignore the people that are so offensive to your sensibilities… your choice. Continue calling people racist will likely get you put in moderation, not them. You’re responsible for your own comments, they’re responsible for theirs. If they cross the line, they’ll be dealt with in whatever manner seems appropriate at the time. Sometimes it’s moderation, other times an email, or even a banning. It might be a combination of things. None of your business though. Engage them or not at your own peril. I don’t like racists and the worst are those that project it onto others.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  449. I asked because Clinton represents the baseline of a 0 deficit handed to Bush.

    Irrelevant (and wrong, since the national debt never dropped at any point during Clinton’s presidency: http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo4.htm
    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/histdebt/histdebt_histo5.htm )

    The point is that government is spending far more per capita, and has mounted an increasingly greater share of debt burden per capita, than during Kennedy’s time.

    Obama’s baseline? let’s see if anyone can come up with some fair numbers reflecting the economic situation when Obama was sworn in.

    There’s no such thing as “fair numbers.” There’s only simple math. And if Obama didn’t want to deal with the problem, he shouldn’t have applied for the job. Instead, he’s encouraging spending and government expansion at a greater rate than even Dubya dreamed of, even though our economy was far more robust 50 years ago despite spending far less on both a total and per capita basis.

    Another Chris (c04459)

  450. I don’t think calling president bumble “ghetto trash” is racist cause most of America’s politicians are trash these days … on the R side you have your tundra trash and your jersey trash and the Ds have their ghetto trash and their arkie trash and loads of hamptons trash and the Rs have Rick Perry coming down the pike and he’s promising to break new ground in the white trash department and the Ds have Debbie Hoochiecoochie who’s another one what is taking trashy to the next level

    it’s hard to keep up

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  451. “Well that one doesn’t seem to get enforced much, not judging by the obvious racism that permeates the comments of certain posters here.”

    Racism, here?

    I haven’t seen any. You can post here, no matter what color you are.

    Can’t say the same thing for organizations like the Congressional Black Caucus. Have to be black to join that one. They’re blatantly racist, but since they’re also effectively an arm of the Democrat Party (even though there is a token Republican in there from time to time), their racism gets a free pass.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  452. and Joe Biden deserves a mention but he’s more just stupid

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  453. And just for your further education, I don’t do this full-time anymore, so there are large stretches where there isn’t anyone moderating. Deal with it.

    My time is voluntary and unpaid (that’s why it can be doubled so easy and often). I wouldn’t take pay for it if offered. I do it to help, no other reason. If you don’t appreciate that, you can believe that it won’t affect my sleep one wit. If you want someplace with more moderation, go to Huffpo or DU. Of course, you’ll have to toe the party line completely or you’re history. Here, almost everyone gets to comment as long as they follow the rules. The ones who don’t always whine about censorship (hi imdw!), but your comments have been appearing regularly, right? No matter how wrong-headed or dishonest.

    Man up and make your case.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  454. Yours?

    Mine, you jest.

    Try the numerous times I have pointed out the blatantly racist posts of racist dave and summit.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  455. Grown, middle-aged women who wear their hair long and frizzy in public like a teeny bopper and still use the diminutive nickname Debbie instead of Deborah in their professional capacity are just sad. The fact that she is also stupid makes it all so much worse for her and for America.

    elissa (986262)

  456. Nah, you’re just a bald-faced liar, Spurts…like just about all lefties.

    You’ve never heard me say anything racist. Not ever.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  457. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is a racist why not call for genocide against Obama critics Spartac.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  458. Well that one doesn’t seem to get enforced much, not judging by the obvious racism that permeates the comments of certain posters here.

    Show your work, Mr. Spartacvs. Loosely throwing around an accusation like this is highly offensive.

    Birdbath (19803d)

  459. You’ve never heard me say anything racist. Not ever.

    True, as far as it goes. I read it.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  460. Try the numerous times I have pointed out the blatantly racist posts of racist dave and summit.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:04 am

    I’ve talked to pets that had better comprehension.

    Racist.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  461. Yes, it is true. Unlike lefty organizations like the NAACP, the Congressional Balck Caucus or the New Black Panther Party, all of which are blatantly racist, and all of which are joined at the hip with the “liberal” Dems, I don’t play that game.

    Not ever.

    Racism is now, and always has been part of your crew’s schtick, Spurty girl.

    Deal with it.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  462. True, as far as it goes. I read it.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:08 am

    Who knows what you actually read?

    Racist.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  463. Stashiu3 – On this thread:

    happyfeet @380

    ghetto trash president

    Not hard to parse that one, or agonize over if calling happyfeet’s comment racist might be an attempt to shut down a valid opinion.

    I can provide numerous examples from previous threads if you’re interested.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  464. SpartacBS likes to suck Anthony’s weiner.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  465. I’ve talked to pets that had better comprehension.

    Racist.

    Ah, I think we have located the problem.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  466. Who knows what you actually read?

    Racist.

    Yep.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  467. As my wise mom used to say, “If you are not happy with some of the kids you are hanging around with or what they do, then don’t complain to me about it. They’re not going to change. Go find new friends you enjoy being with.”

    Do you think you might be happier and more fulfilled on a different blog, Sparticvs?

    elissa (986262)

  468. Your kind have said a lot worse about Bush so drop dead.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  469. I can provide numerous examples from previous threads if you’re interested.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:15 am

    I’m not. I read every comment on every thread here, just not in real-time as much as I used to. I’ve read every comment here for years. You want to police comments? Again, start your own blog.

    Racist.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  470. I’m not. I read every comment on every thread here, just not in real-time as much as I used to. I’ve read every comment here for years. You want to police comments? Again, start your own blog.

    Racist.

    So you are not going to police the obvious racist comments that appear on this blog quite regularly and in so doing protect Patterico’s reputation. Fine, it’s your blog, but I will continue to point it out as and when I come across the most blatant examples. I consider it a public service that I offer for free.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  471. Go find new friends you enjoy being with.

    I enjoy pointing out the error of your ways.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  472. Recovery Act multiplier

    $2.10 in economic activity for every $1.00 in spending/tax cuts.

    More Federal stimulus please.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  473. #442 – Thanks.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  474. Now’s as good a time as any to thank Stashiu for largely thankless but valuable and time consuming work behind the scenes.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  475. Recovery Act multiplier

    I think it’s pretty dishonest to combine the economic activity from tax cuts with the economic activity from spending.

    Tax cuts obviously produce a higher degree of activity because people are finding the optimal way to spend their own money. It’s more efficient, quicker, less corrupt (not corrupt at all).

    Government spending is the opposite. Every dollar of it costs more than a dollar in economic activity. It produces some, but less than it took. Like feeding grain to a cow and eating a steak, the steak will weigh 1 tenth of the grain.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  476. So you are not going to police the obvious racist comments that appear on this blog quite regularly and in so doing protect Patterico’s reputation.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:24 am

    Assumes facts not in evidence. Overruled.

    Police your own comments. Continue to call people racist here and you will be moderated. I tried to illustrate how stupid you look when you do it, but you’re too dense to get the point. They’re not racists and your continued accusations won’t make them so. Don’t like it? Once again, nobody is forcing you to come here.

    Or perhaps you want to continue implying that I’m racist and covering for them? Let’s see how well that works for you.

    Stashiu3 (601b7d)

  477. You enjoy lying, racist.

    JD (6e25b4)

  478. If Spurty was really against racism then he’d disassociate himself from the racist political party he whores for (badly), and he’d be calling for the defunding of racist organizations that currently recieve government funding, thanks to the political party he whore for.

    But, of course, people like Spurts don’t really object to racism.

    They never have.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  479. One might conclude from Spartacus’s pushiness, rudeness, nerviness and obnoxiousness that he suffers from a delusion that this blog exists exclusively for his benefit. He has the distinction of being the nerviest, the most presumptuous and most obnoxious person that I’ve ever encountered anywhere. His parents must have spoiled him rotten.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  480. He has the distinction of being the nerviest, the most presumptuous and most obnoxious person that I’ve ever encountered anywhere.

    He makes zero effort to persuade anyone. He posts claims repeatedly after they have been debunked while ignoring the argument against him, and he demands people reprove things they proved and he ignored repeatedly.

    He is here to be a jerk, end of story.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  481. Stashiu3 @480

    Well if Patterico doesn’t mind being associated with the occasional racist comment being posted on his blog, then I’m not going to continue asking for some moderation in that area, since clearly you aren’t interested in doing it. But just so as you know, I will continue to point out any racist comments I come across.

    Have a nice day!

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  482. “He is here to be a jerk…”

    You have to admit, he’s doing a fine job of it.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  483. he’s doing a fine job of it.

    Comment by Dave Surls

    Indeed.

    Congratulations, Spartacus.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  484. If Hillarity were prez would she be submissive to her husband right now or the other way around?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  485. CBC

    ‘Over the years, the question has arisen, “Does the caucus allow only black members?” Pete Stark, D-CA., who is white, tried and failed to join in 1975. In January 2007, Josephine Hearn reported in Politico that white members of Congress were not welcome to join the CBC.[8] Freshman Representative Steve Cohen, D-TN., who is white, pledged to apply for membership during his election campaign to represent his constituency, which is 60% African American. Hearn further reported that although the bylaws of the caucus do not make race a prerequisite for membership, former and current members of the caucus agreed that the group should remain “exclusively black.” Rep. William Lacy Clay, Jr., D-MO., the son of Rep. William Lacy Clay Sr., D-MO., a co-founder of the caucus, is quoted as saying, “Mr. Cohen asked for admission, and he got his answer. He’s white and the caucus is black. It’s time to move on. We have racial policies to pursue and we are pursuing them, as Mr. Cohen has learned. It’s an unwritten rule. It’s understood.” In response to the decision, Rep. Cohen stated, “It’s their caucus and they do things their way. You don’t force your way in.” Clay issued an official statement from his office:’

    ‘Quite simply, Rep. Cohen will have to accept what the rest of the country will have to accept – there has been an unofficial Congressional White Caucus for over 200 years, and now it’s our turn to say who can join ‘the club.’ He does not, and cannot, meet the membership criteria, unless he can change his skin color. Primarily, we are concerned with the needs and concerns of the black population, and we will not allow white America to infringe on those objectives.’–wiki

    Now, that’s actual real, live racism as practiced by liberal types (again, with an occaisonal totken non-liberal included…as long as he’s black)…and, it’s funded by your tax dollar.

    You’ll NEVER hear that kind of crap from someone like me, but you’ll sure hear it from Spurty’s ideological brethren.

    That’s ’cause I’m not racist…and, they are.

    Dave Surls (e59f18)

  486. Our tax structure is racist. The nation’s tax burden falls disproportionally on White people, while largely exempting people of color who voted disproportionally for the racist in the White House.

    ropelight (9ee20b)

  487. #485 – LOL, and the Drama Queen sulks and walks off stage in a huff. Unreal. Can’t make this stuff up, folks.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  488. f Patterico doesn’t mind being associated with the occasional racist comment being posted on his blog

    Ah, the old Kilgore Trout argument. The blogger you like must never be associated with comments on his blog. The blogger you hate must be associated with the worst comments, and if you can’t find something really bad, Kilgore (or whoever) can just leave that comment himself as proof.

    Ridicule is too kind.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  489. Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:30 am

    Nope, sorry:

    http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=190082
    http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?singlepost=2626292

    Another Chris (c04459)

  490. Dear Stashiu3:

    “…Continue calling people racist will likely get you put in moderation, not them…”

    Don’t I wish, Stashiu3. Hax only posts to cause trouble. He accused Patterico of using the deaths of Navy SEALs for political purposes. He lies about things consistently (like: stating that NONE of the Founders did anything to oppose slavery) and so forth.

    He just poops from thread to thread. That is his goal. He doesn’t really argue his points: he snarks then moves on. Hence the “poop on your porch” metaphor, which I would remind everyone, he came up with originally.

    So, Stashiu3, what was Hax banned for? Maybe some shame will get him to leave.

    Hax, think of it as an unpaid public service to this blog.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  491. Spartacvs tried that “associated with” argument already with Bachmann. When it was pointed out that Obama “associated” with the racist Rev. Wright, there wasn’t a peep of acknowledgement from Spartacvs the Nutty Master Linking Racist.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  492. SPQR, that is because Hax (Why do we keep calling him “Sparticvs”? It is just one of many names/tricks Hax uses to get around his banning…which seems awfully cowardly to me) is fundamentally uninterested in differences of opinion.

    He is just a pathetic and dishonest troll. He merits little else but scorn and derision.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  493. Shamelessly stolen: “Obama’s been office so long, my AAA batteries have been downgraded to AA+ batteries…..”

    SPQR (26be8b)

  494. this is spart’s moment

    his moment

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  495. this is spart’s moment

    Then this must be a moment of inertia.

    Chuck Bartowski (4c6c0c)

  496. Hax, think of it as an unpaid public service to this blog.

    Comment by Simon Jester

    I seem to recall (And correct me if I am wrong) that Hax stupidly signed Patterico’s email address up for spam emails, and the emails included the IP address of the account which signed him up (which corresponds to comments here).

    Someone did that, anyway. Thought it was Hax.

    Dustin (b7410e)

  497. The Hijacked Crisis

    Has any conservative source produced a more overarching, compelling and accurate summary of what ails us and how to fix the problem? Thought not, carry on. Maybe the answer is in a Palin tweet somewhere?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  498. SpartacVS has your boyfriend produced a more overarching compelling and accurate summary of your home life when you were a child?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  499. Reich, we must remember, has a history of inventing conversations like this.

    LAProgressive.com regularly publishes Reich’s commentary. The man must be on a serious acid trip is all I can think. That this man was a senior economic and labor adviser to the president of the US is scary. Now he is limited to messing with already addled minds at UC Berkeley, but he still needs to seek help.

    in_awe (44fed5)

  500. Krugman, without a doubt, is one of the best humor columnists in the nation, if not world. Dave Barry is a mere shadow of this man’s command of irony. The Onion could print his columns without editing as the most sophisticated satire.

    That last paragraph alone is one of the funniest things I have ever read.

    And sporty thinks Krugman matters and Krugman thinks he’s a serious columnist.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  501. Should be “the world.” Sorry.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  502. The Onion, I like you read it? Doesn’t it bother you that there seems to be a dearth of conservative themed comedy that is actually funny.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  503. Who’s your serious NYT columnist by the way, Brooks? Don’t Do That, or the Mustache of Understanding perhaps?

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  504. Krugman has scary darty eyes. I expect we’ll see him on the cover of Newsweak soon.

    elissa (986262)

  505. Spart,

    Your premise — that there is such a thing as a serious NYT columnist — is flawed.

    Karl (f07e38)

  506. Yes, I read The Onion, and no, your delusion of a lack of conservative humorists doesn’t bother me.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  507. I like Krugman.

    He’s almost as stupid as Spurts.

    And, that makes me feel real, real, real smart.

    Dave Surls (386c9d)

  508. Krugman is not as stupid as the Nutty Spartacvs, but he shares an utter lack of concern with integrity and coherent argument.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  509. O/T….How to fight inflation, and improve productivity…

    “A new rule being proposed by the federal Department of Transportation would require farmers to get commercial drivers licenses…”
    http://www.gazettevirginian.com/index.php/news/34-news/3739-proposed-rule-on-farms-called-absurd?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

    Well, this will take care of a lot of that unemployment as we return farming to “forty-acres and a mule”; won’t do to much for prices of groceries though.

    Then there’s the new proposed mileage rules for HD trucks, like the 18-wheelers that currently deliver all of that farm produce to your local market. Sure, it’ll save fuel, but then those tractors won’t be able to pull such large trailers, so that will require more trips; and we’ll be back to where we were fifty-years ago when the avg semi-trailer was 28′ long, where now they’re between 44′, and 53′, in length.

    Perhaps all of those farm products will move to market via High-Speed-Rail, instead of 18-wheelers?
    Can’t wait for the new tracks to be laid down in the streets of America.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  510. Krugman is dumb enough to believe that government can create jobs, and also that you can tax your way to prosperity.

    We’re talking some industrial strength stupid.

    Dave Surls (386c9d)

  511. …and another thing:

    Reuters/Ipsos:
    3/4 of American’s believe the country is on the wrong track…
    52% disapprove of the job Obama is doing.

    http://dailycaller.com/2011/08/10/three-quarters-of-americans-believe-u-s-is-on-wrong-track/?utm_source=Newsletter&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Morning%2BBell

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  512. OTOH, Krugman doesn’t have drool dripping down his chin, like Spurty-turd, so he looks better.

    Dave Surls (386c9d)

  513. eyes of a weasel
    the financial acumen
    of austan ghoulsbee

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  514. “3/4 of American’s believe the country is on the wrong track…”

    Holy cow! ONLY 75% of the people know that communism/Obamunism can’t possibly work.

    That’s discouraging.

    Dave Surls (386c9d)

  515. Karl @512

    Thx.

    Option 4, re-think the diagnosis or call in an expert like Krugman.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  516. Debunked Andrew, google it.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  517. Andrew, I would count myself in the 3/4 and the 52%, so would a lot of progressives/librulz. Short answer, that poll doesn’t tell you what you think it does. Toodlepip.

    Spartacvs (4576a2)

  518. google this spurty
    come with proof or not at all
    you been debunkt punk

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  519. I am not alone
    in hoping spurty is soon
    gainfully employed

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  520. Comment by Dave Surls — 8/12/2011 @ 3:30 pm

    Dave, it was a Reuters poll after all.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  521. Geez Louise Spork are you still here? Why it’s almost as if this is your job.
    Did you do my homework assignment? You seem to be very good at the google, you can do it!
    Promise we’ll wait

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  522. Spartacvs made sense?

    DohBiden (d54602)

  523. But resist we much
    we must and we will much ’bout
    dat be committed

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  524. spartacvs unmasked…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFoxtb2yFcs

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  525. he keeps deposit
    rooms with no front doors sparty
    will keep a light on

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  526. I know… little bit o’colonel go a long way…

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  527. I am not alone
    in hoping spurty is soon
    gainfully employed

    Mickey D’s already had its hiring fair, too late.

    Darth Venomous (a0b6a2)

  528. he gonna clock out
    got his coat and got his hat
    take spurty for walk

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  529. ever wonder what
    occupation spurty put
    on his 1040?

    elissa (986262)

  530. ==“A new rule being proposed by the federal Department of Transportation would require farmers to get commercial drivers licenses…”==

    Thanks for posting the link at 515, AD. Wow. Just wow. They just never stop do they? Farmers’ wives and teen kids need a commercial DL to help out in the fields at harvest and to participate on the family farm? Hey! Maybe they can unionize them while they’re at it. And think how many new government bureaucrats they can hire on the taxpayers’ dime to “monitor” compliance.

    elissa (986262)

  531. Did Spvrty also express his joy at consumer confidence reaching a 30 year today. Thanks Barcky!

    Spvrty, I hope the Democrats run Obama in 2012.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  532. colonel make a guess
    spurty check “Leftwing Douchebag”
    twenty eightK tops

    ColonelHaiku (d1f5ff)

  533. me personally I have no confidence in this economy and I am nothing if not a consumer

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  534. Comment by elissa — 8/12/2011 @ 5:29 pm

    I just can’t wait to enroll in the Combine Driving School.
    Sure hope I pass the “backing into the barn” drill.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  535. elissa – I know it’s all over the wingnut wurlitzer and now Another Drew is spreading it here, but the story was debunked days ago and DOT has made it absolutely clear there will be no CDL requirement for farmers.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  536. FMCSA launched a review on the enforcement of regulations on agricultural operators to ensure consistent access to exemptions for farmers and to ensure public safety.

    what they mean is our fascist ghetto trash president is looking for ways to grab power any way he can and yeah he may have crapped out on the license thing but he’s still looking to use “public safety” as a tool to make government an ever larger ever more expensive and ever more intrusive prong with which he can ass-rape our once great country

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  537. Spart….have you done my homework yet?
    NOOA northeast
    CPSIA handmade toy alliance

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  538. There you go again with the racist angle happy.

    Blackburnsghost – Couldn’t find anything on NOOA northeast. As far as the lead toy testing issue goes I would say your beef should be with the large toy manufacturers who outsourced to China rather than the government trying to protect children from lead poisoning. Having said that, there ought to be some compromise worked out for low unit producers & small manufacturers/sellers rather than imposing a 1 size fits all solution.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  539. here’s a song for you mr. spartacus it’s old but it’s one of my new faves on my playlist it’s basically about how girls always like rock stars more better than regular guys but you just have to persevere

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  540. spvrty…
    My link was dated 8/12, and your denial was dated 8/10???
    Perhaps the media in VA is making sure that their Congresskritters get an earful from their constituents before returning to the Capitol.

    But, as the old saying goes:
    I report, you decide.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  541. sorry mr. *spartacvs* I mean

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  542. Dog bites Man….
    H/T Hot Air:
    Time Magazine
    Masturbation…teen boys, more so than girls, do it early and often.

    Read more: http://healthland.time.com/2011/08/11/boys-masturbate-more-than-girls-seriously/#ixzz1UsGnJszm

    I’m sure glad they cleared that up.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  543. that seems unfair

    happyfeet (3c92a1)

  544. AD–Makes you wonder if the 1700 comments the “FMCSA received before the Aug 1 deadline” may have influenced the “review” and prompted the assurances to farmers. I’ll be keeping an eye on this. Again thanks.

    elissa (986262)

  545. Another Drew – wingnut wurlitzer is pushing the story, ergo it doesn’t have to be true since most consumers of wingnuttia won’t bother to check.

    elissa – I dare say a good portion of the 1700 were misinformed consumers of wingnut media which has been spreading this nonsense for the obvious reasons.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  546. Ah, Yes, only the True Believers can possess the Wisdom.

    Junior, just who in the Hell do you think you’re impressing?

    Or, are you like the John who drops his drawers revealing his 2″ of manhood, and when asked by the hooker who he thinks he’s going to “satisfy” with that, proudly thumps his chest saying “ME!”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  547. 1) NOAA (typo) go to gloucester daily times fishing industry stories. Start old, go long. Do real research. It’s on the radar. Check B. Fwanks fweqwency on the subject I’m sure you can relate at least to the Fwankenator.
    2) You miss the point 100%, You can no longer DONATE used toys to charities. The Library had to get a special exception to allow children to read untested BOOKS at the library. How is a mother sewing a sweater with organic cotton meant to test her sweater with a 50,000$ gizmo? Why is an intrinsically non toxic element like cotton or wood subject to these tests?
    F$^% China your right. We can’t get work done by normal people in this country because of REGULATION

    You and your ilk are exactly opposite of what you claim to be.
    No no regulatory problems here.

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  548. Not only REGULATION but price, China has the lowest prices AND no regulations.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  549. No, there are cheaper places than China in the world to have stuff made – there is always somebody who will do it for less, if there’s enough money in it.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  550. Sure, but a big part of cheaper is the lack of regulation.

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  551. So, you’re admitting that the high cost of manufacturing in the ‘States is due to overbearing regulations?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic / Obama Sucks! (d5f13f)

  552. Depends, would you consider regulations to ban lead paint on kids toys overbearing?

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  553. China is not without regulations. The problem with China is that it has a more extreme version of the crony capitalism that Obama favors. The executive dispensing “waivers” to the favored cronies of the leadership.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  554. I think China may have a regulation or two.

    They tend to make sure the regime is unquestioned, but regulations, nonetheless,

    The regime must not be questioned. Unless, of course, it’s Democratic.

    Ag80 (9a213d)

  555. ==No no regulatory problems here==

    They’ve even been going after kid’s lemonade stands and shutting down and fining backyard hobbyists and small town teens for raising rabbits to sell for meat (to supplement the family income in these hard economic times). This harassment is all for our own good– licensing and inspection and “health” safety issues don’t you know.

    elissa (986262)

  556. Spartacvs, your comment about regulations banning lead paint on toys is a misrepresentation of the problem with the recent CPSIA legislation.

    Lead paint has been banned on toys for decades. The problem with CPSIA was the sweeping breadth of regulation, where there were no risks, and the extension of the burden of regulation to portions of the distribution chain never bearing them before. Forcing thrift stores to destroy childrens books because they can’t certify what are obviously safe books is not rational.

    But you are not about rational, you are about unfettered, irrational ideology.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  557. Thank SPQR more than you know.

    TOTUS (2ffb0c)

  558. Doh! Damn sock puppet Friday

    Blackburnsghost (2ffb0c)

  559. ____________________________________________

    A stunning new survey gives the president a negative approval rating in the Empire State for the first time, with just 45 percent approval and 49 percent disapproval among voters, according to the latest Quinnipiac University poll.
    — Comment by ropelight

    Well, whaddya know. When a place full of liberals — of stereotypical limousine liberals (and one does not have to be wealthy to be guilty of that common form of two-faced, lazy leftism) — is somehow waking up from ideological-induced stupor (or stupidity), maybe there’s hope yet.

    Until then, and in the immortal words of Obama’s former close adviser and spiritual guide, “America, your chickens are coming home to roost!”

    Mark (411533)

  560. Doh! Damn sock puppet Friday

    Comment by Blackburnsghost — 8/12/2011 @ 8:44 pm

    damn static cling…even strikes online, its insidious 😉

    (I did it too *eye roll*)

    ppk_pixie (1df0c8)

  561. Mark #429 have a nice day!

    Spartacvs (2d9449)

  562. 474. I’m not. I read every comment on every thread here, just not in real-time as much as I used to. I’ve read every comment here for years. You want to police comments? Again, start your own blog.

    Racist.

    So you are not going to police the obvious racist comments that appear on this blog quite regularly and in so doing protect Patterico’s reputation. Fine, it’s your blog, but I will continue to point it out as and when I come across the most blatant examples. I consider it a public service that I offer for free.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:24 am

    475. Go find new friends you enjoy being with.

    I enjoy pointing out the error of your ways.
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 11:26 am

    Those are not the comments of a rational person. As I began to suspect a few weeks ago, his remarks are the senseless remarks of someone who is so unstable both mentally and emotionally that he is, in fact, utterly incapable of comprehending why he has been reprimanded.

    Whenever that psycho is chastised or corrected, his defective brain sings, in effect, la, la, la, I can’t hear you, making it a waste of time and senseless to argue with that psycho, who comes here clearly just to harrass you.

    Summit, NJ (75c9eb)

  563. would you consider regulations to ban lead paint on kids toys overbearing?
    Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 8:36 pm

    — No. But in your case we consider it to be too little too late.

    Icy Texan (793407)

  564. Comment by Spartacvs — 8/12/2011 @ 2:34 pm

    LOL at the goonfiction from both Sparty and Paulie Krugnuts.

    http://www.market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=191576

    Another Chris (c983db)


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