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10/31/2010

Charles Johnson Shreds the Last of his Credibility Discussing the Stewart Rally (Update: Charles Responds)

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 6:05 am

[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; send your tips here.]

Update: Johnson responds.  Basically he doubles down, saying I was lying about the Bush Bow and as far as crowd size is concerned it’s Science! Basically he has gone from tearing down Dan Rather, to becoming Dan Rather, refusing to even deal honestly with the criticism.  Show the picture, Charles and let your audience decide who is telling the truth.  I dare you.

Update (II): I have been reminded via email that Legal Insurrection exposed Johnson’s dishonesty on the Bush Bow at the time.  And he noticed the magically changing post, too.  Finally, a question for all the refugees from LGF coming today.  Why isn’t he even talking about the inclusion of an Islamofascist at the Stewart Rally when only four years ago he denounced the man?

A long time ago, Charles Johnson’s Little Green Footballs was one of my daily reads.  He confronted Islamofascism and dishonesty in the media.  He earns a place of honor as being vital in the Rathergate scandal.  But man, has he slipped off. It wasn’t just a matter of changing his mind, but erasing the past.  It was intellectual dishonesty, for instance in the controversy when Barack Obama bowed to the King of Saudi Arabia.  First he posted video that supposedly showed that “Bush bowed too.”  Then when called on the lie he told, he added the word “metaphorically” without noting the change in his post.  I watched him do it in real time and called him on the change.  He lied to my virtual “face” about it with a comment directed at me, and my account was banned, a familiar story.  Now he has completely rewritten that post.

And the latest from Johnson is now he is bull___ting about Stewart’s rally.  Like I said, I don’t care about crowd size at these things, but I do expect honesty on the subject.  So as of now, Johnson has a post that proclaims that 215K attended the Stewart rally.  And to prove it, he quotes CBS news:

An estimated 215,000 people attended a rally organized by Comedy Central talk show hosts Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert Saturday in Washington, according to a crowd estimate commissioned by CBS News.

The company AirPhotosLive.com based the attendance at the “Rally to Restore Sanity and/or Fear” on aerial pictures it took over the rally, which took place on the Mall in Washington. It has a margin of error of plus or minus 10 percent.

CBS News also commissioned AirPhotosLive.com to do a crowd estimate of Glenn Beck’s “Restoring Honor” rally in August. That rally was estimated to have attracted 87,000 people. Amid criticism from conservatives that the estimate was low, CBS News detailed the methodology behind it here.

Well, which should we believe, Charles?  CBS news or our lying eyes?

About six years ago, Charles, you knew the correct answer to that question.

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Oh, and don’t bother “disappearing” this post, Charles.  I have the screen shot.

Update: Minor corrections.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

509 Responses to “Charles Johnson Shreds the Last of his Credibility Discussing the Stewart Rally (Update: Charles Responds)”

  1. You mean the CBS accidentally caught electioneering against Miller in Alaska? THAT SHOULD LEAVE A MARK!

    MunDane68 (54a83b)

  2. Mundane

    thanks for the pointer. i mean off-topic, but still thanks.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  3. The Stewart picture is obviously bogus. It’s not even good photoshopping. I was there. See the white thing with arm that points towards the stage? That is the park police’s observation pod that lifts up over the crowd so they can watch. I was standing not far in front of that one. Behind that, there was at least another section or two with another police observation pod. I know this because my friends and I were onsite the night before picking out meeting places because we suspected that cell phones would be worthless. Our primary meeting place was that observation pod, out backup was the one behind it. Is this picture there is nothing behind it.

    Shame on you. You embody the lack of sanity. I would like to see a retraction, please.

    shameonyou (0770fa)

  4. Fox News headline: Stewart’s Rally for ‘Sanity’ Draws Insane Crowd – FoxNews.com.

    Insane? Ever talk to a tea partier?

    Stewart and Colbert did not speak from the Lincoln Memorial. They instead spoke from the other end of the Mall at 3rd Street, NW with Capitol Hill behind them. Their attendees filled the Mall between 3rd Street, NW and 7th Street, NW — and beyond.
    You can fit vastly-more people into the Capitol end of the Mall because it’s simply bigger than the grassy areas in front of the Lincoln Memorial. The area between Jefferson Drive, NW and Madison Drive NW is significantly wider than the demonstration space along the Reflecting Pool. You can see for yourself by looking at an enlarged view of the Mall area.

    No less important, there’s no Reflecting Pool in the Mall area where Stewart and Colbert spoke — and the Reflecting Pool measures roughly 2,000 feet long and 165 feet wide. That’s a huge space that was entirely unoccupied at the Beck event.

    Lastly, the Stewart and Colbert rally was not restricted to the Mall. It spilled over for blocks onto the nearby streets. Seventh Avenue, NW, as one example, was jammed up to E Street, NW — that’s three lengthy Washington blocks from the Mall. Constitution Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue were both filled with people.

    Stewart rally crushed the Beck rally.

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  5. Fear of being wrong does terrible things. Think it over: why so angry?

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  6. On closer examination of this low-res image, I think that image wasn’t photoshopped but it was actually taken early in the day. It’s easy to find other aerial images on the web where it shows those empty areas full of people.

    With so much evidence to the contrary, perhaps you should try to understand why this image is inconstant with that evidence before leaping to a conspiracy explanation. The obvious answer is usually the sane answer.

    shameonyou (0770fa)

  7. Charles Johnson had credibility? News to me.

    Patterico (9ba384)

  8. Aaron, if you weren’t banned from LGF before, you are now.

    Patterico (9ba384)

  9. Oh. I missed that you already were.

    Patterico (9ba384)

  10. I wonder what CJ thinks about Cat Stevens being the “sane” entertainment? Someone should buy him a toy backhoe.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  11. Patterico

    Heh.

    Eric

    Well, he hasn’t said anything about it. And that silence is deafening.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  12. btw, its funny that all the people supposedly refuting me… can’t agree on what is wrong. one says the picture of stewart’s rally is fake. another says it is the wrong time of the day. a third says that in fact this area holds alot more people, even though it is obvious by the picture that the stewart rally picture was taken is much, much closer to the crowd.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  13. I did wonder what happened to Johnson at the time. He was always kind of odd for a pundit, even on the internet. He finally lost it and I haven’t looked at his blog in years. The same, sort of, applies to Andrew Sullivan.

    Mike K (568408)

  14. How the rallies compare in diversity? Beck’s “whitestock” seemed to be a much older, less diverse crowd, less reprentative of America.

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  15. The crowd comparisons and estmates were done by a company independent of media – AirPhotosLive.com. Why are you attacking CBS?

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  16. If we point how that Stewart’s rally was “mostly white” the retort will be that it was all just for fun, so the crowd size is irrelevant. Or was it a serious rally? Which is it?

    Rob (8d6b87)

  17. Libtards are emotionally disturbed.
    Even a moron would notice the difference in crowd size. Beck’s crowd is close to double the size of The Libtard Central crowd. But not the common LIBTARD. When faced with an actual picture, the garden variety Libtard lies anyway. It’s pathetic.

    gus (36e9a7)

  18. AirPhotosLive.com does crowd estimates for the Pentagon as welll. I think think you should attack the Pentagon too.

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  19. no comp

    So your argument is… trust the government, not your lying eyes?

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  20. shameonyou, so why did you not supply a link to these alleged photos?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  21. Forget about reality and a scientific approach. Do like John Boehner in his approach (that doesn’t pass 8th grade math) to solving America’s economy:

    ” Well, I don’t need to see GDP numbers or to listen to economists; all I need to do is listen to the American people.”
    — John Boehner, cigarette smoking anti-intellectual teabagger

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  22. no comp

    So your argument is… trust your government, not what you see all around you?

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  23. Maybe it’s like Fringe, and the alt Charles came over here, or the brain slugs drilled into his skull

    ian cormac (c07a45)

  24. no comparison, and this is supposed to impress us how compared to “jobs created or saved” ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  25. First he posted video that supposedly showed that “Bush bowed too.”

    Bush held hands with and kissed the Saudi prince you jackass.

    Oh and 215,000, not bad. 87,000 for a hate filled festival of ignorance and 215,000 for a rally to restore sanity.

    Maybe there is hope for our country.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  26. Nocomp: cBS (the same cBS owned by the same parent company as Comedy Central)commissioned the company. And they have defended their “fake but accurate” analyses to the hilt.

    But that’s OK. Nice to see that Johnson sent you here, but you are too chicken to use your “lizard” name for fear of being humiliated as you get beaten around the field.

    eddiebear (a1339e)

  27. 27: you really believe the 87K? Heck, even MSNBC, claimed Beck drew more than that.

    But that’s OK. Tuesday night will be fun watching you thrash about in defeat.

    eddiebear (a1339e)

  28. If any of you intellectual types here, I know the number is close to zero and those few are blatant liars, care to see the research and methodology of ascertaining Stewart’s 215K and Becks’s 87K, here it is.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10005388.html?tag=page

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015214-503544.html

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  29. jharp, self-delusion is an ugly thing.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  30. “you really believe the 87K?”

    Yes. The proof is right here.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015214-503544.html

    Where is your “proof”? The Gateway Dumbshit, Jim Hoft claimed 500,000 for the Beck rally. Is he your source?

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  31. Oh and 215,000, not bad. 87,000 for a hate filled festival of ignorance and 215,000 for a rally to restore sanity.

    Sounds like your whole life has been a hate-filled festival of ignorance.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  32. “jharp, self-delusion is an ugly thing.”

    Yes it is. But just like looking at a horrible car accident I can’t help but stop by here to see it.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  33. jharp: ummm..that’s the same cBS that published “fake but accurate”.

    But defending them means you are calling MSNBC liars. WHich is it?

    eddiebear (a1339e)

  34. Jharp

    > Bush held hands with and kissed the Saudi prince you jackass.

    Which is something I said to Charles at the time. I said it is perfectly reasonable to say that bush was being too defferential, but that was not a bow.

    And I don’t care how you spin it, but clearly Beck’s rally was at least twice as large as Stewart’s. Again, who should we believe? CBS news or your lying eyes.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  35. jharp:

    “For instance, Liz Pifer, a student at Robert Morris University in Pittsburgh, Pa., told The Daily Caller that though she plans to vote in the midterm elections on Tuesday, she didn’t even know who was running for Pennsylvania’s open Senate seat. She later said that she thought Joe Sestak was running, and that she’ll probably vote for him because he’s a Democrat. As for House candidates, she said, ‘I don’t know who’s running.’”…

    From Daily Caller.

    You mean as stupid as the typical Stewart Fan?

    eddiebear (a1339e)

  36. eddiebear

    Are you being serious? Please.

    To find one person who didn’t know who was running for Senate somehow means something?

    I’ve got news for ya buddy, their are hundreds of thousands of them on both sides.

    God you people are stupid.

    “Keep your government hands off my Medicare” cried the teabagger.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  37. Charles Johnson should join Sen. John AristoSlacker Kerry and Charlie Christ in the Flip Flopper Hall of Fame.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  38. umm ….Bush didnt just bow..he gave tongue.
    :)
    havent you EVAH wondered why 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Sauds and we attacked……Iraq????
    shut up and swallow, ‘slines.
    happy halloween!

    your tears are delicious.

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  39. It’s also nice to see that time has not made jharp any less unhinged or more intelligent. Grade school as ever.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  40. I’ve got news for ya buddy, their are hundreds of thousands of them on both sides.

    God you people are stupid.

    Maybe so. But I try to use spell check

    eddiebear (a1339e)

  41. “And I don’t care how you spin it, but clearly Beck’s rally was at least twice as large as Stewart’s. Again, who should we believe? CBS news or your lying eyes.”

    Me? I believe in science. And scientific estimates.

    Now go read both of these. This explains Becks 87K http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20015214-503544.html

    And this Stewarts 215K http://www.cbsnews.com/2300-250_162-10005388.html?tag=page

    It really isn’t that complicated.

    What is YOUR source? Jim Hoft? And his 500K estimate?

    You gentlemen should really try this science thing. It works so much better than pulling numbers out of one’s ass.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  42. “havent you EVAH wondered why 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Sauds and we attacked……Iraq????”

    nishi you two digit slut. We attacked Afghanistan after 9/11, LULZ!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  43. I love this comparison the left is having.

    In every way it reeks. It wouldn’t really matter if they could get more liberals to rally in a liberal city than Beck could get conservatives to rally in a liberal city. But even short of this mark, they are relying on a count of facebook ‘will not attend’ RSVPs while photos show a drastically smaller rally than Beck’s.

    And why? Because they are drowning in the wake of poll after poll after poll. If anything, this Stewart rally will make it harder for democrats, who lost many weekend volunteers.

    Please, hard left, think the Tea Party is just a flash in the pan of a few people. If anything, focus on this rally instead of election results for a few years more. Have another rally the Saturday before the 2012 election too, please.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  44. @daley
    they didnt come from A-stan either.
    shut up and swallow, cudlips.

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  45. 19 of the 9/11 hijackers were Sauds

    This seems like a bigoted argument, doesn’t it? I’ve noticed it many times and it just stinks. The problem was Al Qaida and the Taliban and radical Islam. The problem is not a nationality.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  46. Jharpy is still the same hate filled pig ignert asshat he always was. Unbanning people was a great idea 😉 harpie is a perfect example of the modern leftist.

    JD (206902)

  47. “I said it is perfectly reasonable to say that bush was being too defferential, but that was not a bow.”

    Hilarious. Just look at yourself.

    You defend kissing and holding hands with the Saudi prince by saying at least it wasn’t a bow.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  48. #42, I believe the picture so long as they are accurate. And Beck’s crowd is lots bigger, not only that the picture for Stewart is cropped smaller in comparison to Becks’

    Like the difference between taking a picture of a man at the Grand Canyon Observation station 1,000 feet away versus 5 feet away.

    Whether the Photog did it on purpose for some Political reason I will leave it to others.

    Kendrick Meeks (a8a9b2)

  49. There is something fascinating about reading the delusional postings of angry liberals.

    Despite empirical evidence to the contrary, they cling bitterly to their leftist assumptions and talking points.

    It’s awesome entertainment.

    RogerCfromSD (46c147)

  50. dustin, the fat lady hasnt sung yet.
    dont forget me an my homeslices– we dont have landlines.
    robots cant call cells.
    we are 25% of the electorate, and you aint gonna know how we are gonna vote until we vote.
    :)

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  51. You can sorta tell, when someone starts making arguments based on race or nationality or sex, that you’re dealing with a democrat.

    Osama and pals picked Saudis for the attack, from an organization with plenty of people from other countries, because he thinks a lot like Wheeler does, and assumed we’d leave the Taliban alone.

    Too bad for him Gore lost the election, which I’m sure was a tactical factor.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  52. “I said it is perfectly reasonable to say that bush was being too defferential, but that was not a bow.”

    Oh, and eddiebear. Aaron Worthing didn’t use spell check either.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  53. “Keep your government hands off my Medicare” cried the teabagger.

    To be a little fair to jharp, I too would like to see those in favor of smaller government advocate the phasing out of Medicare, say over 4 years, for example. Ditto Social Security. However, most self-identified Tea Party members don’t want to go down that road.

    Horatio (55069c)

  54. we are 25% of the electorate, and you aint gonna know how we are gonna vote until we vote.
    :)

    Comment by wheeler’s cat — 10/

    I predict 70 house seats and 9 Senate seats. We’ll run about 30 states, and most of the ones gaining House reps. I know how you’re going to vote very well. You, personally, didn’t vote yet, and probably won’t. You might lie, but I can smell an unregistered voter a mile away.

    What’s your prediction? I bet it’s not as accurate as mine is.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  55. Afghanistan/Pakistan Taliban, same thing.

    Why argue how much more chocolatie Breyer’s is versus Hagen Daz.

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  56. “they didnt come from A-stan either.”

    nishi you two digit slut, remember Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. It was an Al Qaeda operation, which was based in Afghanistan. They were Muslims. You claim to be a Muslim. Jihad is Muslim obligation.

    Why do you hate America?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  57. “we are 25% of the electorate,”

    Composed mostly of child molesters, welfare recipients, and ethnic groups looking to get them some on whitey. Hell of a voting tent!

    BARTENDER HIDE THE TIP JAR!!!!

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  58. Medicare and Social Security can be phased out but it will take lots more than 4 years and it will require compulsory savings.

    I am all for taking the same amount of cash out of the Fed’s hands and putting in private sector collateralized bond portfolios.

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  59. #58, I forgot College Kids who have never paid a bill and Stoners.

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  60. Being liberal is a state of grace only reserved for those without accountability, empathy or reason.

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  61. “we dont have landlines.”

    Latest loser meme!

    Remember 2004 when the exit polls were wrong and the left determined the election was stolen, OMG LULZ!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  62. Saudis staff the top ranks, Egyptians and South Asians the middle ranks, The former had easier access in getting a visa, and nominally are a US
    ally

    ian cormac (c07a45)

  63. well….what WAS the Mission?
    if we went there to “promote” democracy an’ get rid of shariah law Saud is orders of magnitude worse– Saud is 100% muslim– have to be a muslim to be a citizen. They are a theocratic monarchary JUST LIKE the caliphate. They cut peoples heads off.
    we couldn’t do Saud because Prince Saud and Prince Bandar swapped saliva with that WEC retard Bush.
    An’ you’re all butthurt over bowing cuz Charles got the truthsay?
    grow up.

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  64. We don’t have landlines either, therefore nishidiot is certifiably insane. Gawd, sharpie, you are angry and stupid, an ugly ugly ugly combination.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  65. You really like that pic don’t you? I like how it. Circles way more than the pic shows on the left. And doesn’t include the times for when the pics were taken — to wit, the stewart rally filled their permit area before it even started, and began overflowing.

    WWTD? What would Tufte do?

    imdw (c982ed)

  66. “we dont have landlines.”

    one of four American households has no landline….in 2010.

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  67. Savor the desperate whining of nishi, jharp, Willie Yelverton as the Democrats drown in a deluge Tuesday.

    Of course it’s not because of bad policy by the smug elites in Washington, it’s because Obama and Democrats have not done a good enough job explaining the policies to the stupid American voters so that they know what has been done is really what is best for them. Insulting the voters is always a winning strategy! LULZ!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  68. #66, All have landlines, but some folks don’t use them.

    Torquemada (a8a9b2)

  69. nishi – Are you still on your parents’ health care?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  70. “btw, its funny that all the people supposedly refuting me… can’t agree on what is wrong. one says the picture of stewart’s rally is fake. another says it is the wrong time of the day. a third says that in fact this area holds alot more people, even though it is obvious by the picture that the stewart rally picture was taken is much, much closer to the crowd.”

    It can’t be that there are lots of reasons. No. The people disagreeing with you must agree on one. Nothing gets by you, huh?

    imdw (7c85b9)

  71. one of four American households has no landline….in 2010.

    Comment by wheeler’s cat

    I’d say at least 75% of Tea Partiers I know only own a cell phone.

    Anyway, I put up. You put up or shut up. You said my predictions aren’t reliable. Are you willing to make a guess as to what the election results will be? My guess is that you have no idea what’s up. Pollsters aren’t perfect, but the best ones have been considering this factor for many years, and I imagine this year is not particularly worse than 2006 or 2004.

    Maybe you’re so behind the times you finally got rid of your landline, but most of my friends haven’t had on in a decade.

    The Tea Party is powered by a facebook poster and some twitter messages. We’re not talking about people reading dead tree newspapers and chatting over rotary phones.

    Let’s see if Wheeler even has the gumption to make a prediction about the election results.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  72. Your desperation is palpable. Nishit and sharpie and imdw have to cover their monitors in Saran Wrap to keep the spittle from shorting it out.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  73. OTP OTP OTP OTP OTP OTP OTP OTP

    daleyrocks (940075)

  74. Best line, from Charlie Marton on PJM:
    “The “Rally to Restore Sanity/Fear” in Washington, D.C., on Saturday looked like it was probably generally a lot of fun. The crowd looked cheerful, and I generally like Jon Stewart and sometimes like Stephen Colbert. The music was okay — I’m a big fan of Cat Stevens, and the guy with the beard (Yusuf something?) who sang “Peace Train” did a pretty credible cover version.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Gosh, folks, I wonder why the trolls are so posty right before this election?

    And the psychological projection is teh funny. Look at the fake Sufi who claims to know physics (apparently from comic books):

    your tears are delicious.

    As I say: projection, thy name is progressivism.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  76. Obama won’t even be the nominee in 2012. He hates being the President and the last place he wants to be is in the White House, or in a tough meeting.

    The country would be materially better if he simply wanted to do his job. Some aspects of his job are not particularly partisan, but require leadership. His own chief of staff has joined the flood of resignations. It’s pure chaos and Obama is getting a lot better at golf these days.

    If Hillary runs against Obama, his first reaction will be euphoria.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  77. By the way, Martin in the link above does a good debunking of CBS’ numbers.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  78. I’m getting a similar feeling off of Obama, Dustin. The problem right now is that Obama needs a good excuse to duck the 2012 election. What do you think it would be?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  79. How about this, the Dems can claim some kind of moral victory for having the Dems and their union buddies bus in more people to this rally.Team R gets the House of Representatives, and a near tie in the Senate.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  80. I just remember how bolstered Bush was in 2002 when Delay gained seats, and then in 2004 when redistricting and a few more elections helped even more.

    If Bush had been kneecapped in 2002 with 60-70 seats lost (plus ten more from the census) I’m pretty sure the party would have rejected him instantly.

    There will be more time to talk about this on Wednesday. We won’t win every seat I’d like to, but this wave is crashing through state assemblies and the House pretty hard. This was perhaps the worst year for the democrats to fall on their ass.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  81. “I’d say at least 75% of Tea Partiers I know only own a cell phone.”

    I don’t know a single teabagger. Not one.

    But I have a serious question for any out there or for Dustin who knows some.

    T.E.A. Taxed. Enough. Already. This after Obama cut taxes for 95% of us.

    Could someone explain what the hell that is all about?

    It makes no sense. None. The teabaggers are idiots and have no idea what they are protesting other than a democrat is in the white house. Same shit as when they accused the Clintons of murder and all of the other spurious claims.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  82. JD, I can live with that deal! I think you’ve pegged what’s up. This is their moral victory to focus on because reality is too base for their community.

    “What do you think it would be?

    Comment by SPQR ”

    He’s not a healthy man. He could also have some kind of crazy scandal so his not running is blamed on judgmental conservatives.

    If I were writing this into a fiction novel, I’d say he quits because of birther laws requiring more documentation for entry on primary ballots. Then he could run for the UN and urge UN monitoring of our elections/communities/etc. That seems like a good job to do from a golf cart.

    But that’s obviously unrealistic. It’s hard work to win an election. Mccain didn’t want to win badly enough, and I don’t think Obama will in 2012. We’re so worried about what kind of candidate we run against a juggernaut that might be demoralized.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  83. Obama’s approval rating is higher than Ronnie Reagan’s at the same point of his 1st term.

    You people know nothing.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  84. “Obama’s approval rating is higher than Ronnie Reagan’s at the same point of his 1st term.”

    jharp – Who gives a sh*t?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  85. I know you are getting you arses kicked in a couple days, jharpie. And I know you are a hatey hater what hates, and a pig-ignert douchenozzle.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  86. LOL. Obama isn’t Ronald Reagan. They are actually similar in the way they seem to be able to convince people of their sincerity, but one of them was actually sincere, did his work, didn’t need a teleprompter, etc.

    The other is playing golf 5 days a week and leaves meetings before they resolve anything.

    Obama’s approval is worse than Bush’s right now. He’d lose to the guy who was so bad any Democrat would have won 2008. I am hoping more democrats wake up to their situation and repudiate Obama.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  87. jharp – Who gives a sh*t?

    I do. The last republican President we had nearly drove us into a depression. And did drive us into the worst recession since the great depression.

    We don’t need any more of that. And Obama’s approval rating is a pretty good gauge to insure that doesn’t happen again.

    Dumbass.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  88. Jharpie is a hate filled hilljack, what prolly thinks william the plagiarist yelverton is a thinker, and Barcky is smart.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  89. “Obama’s approval is worse than Bush’s right now.”

    And Dustin is a liar.

    Bush wrote the record book on the lowest approval rating. No one had one lower. Ever. Unless you’d like to include Cheney.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  90. We should let jharpie take solace in some irrelevant approval rating. I will gladly take the House and make complete gridlock in the Senate.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  91. “what prolly thinks… …and Barcky is smart.”

    Yes he is quite smart.

    It’s kinda sorta what GETS YOU INTO HARVARD.

    And gets you elected PRESIDENT OF THE HARVARD LAW REVIEW.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  92. jharp – Isn’t it about time for you to start insulting Trig Palin again?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  93. Jharpsicord has that “whole goawd you people are stoopid” thingie saved so he just copies it over and over and over. It makes him get a tingle.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  94. “And Dustin is a liar.”

    And jharp can’t read.

    Obama versus Bush right now. Get it?

    beer 'n pretzels (3d1d61)

  95. Jhatey is a hate filled hating hater what hates people because he is a hating hater of people.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  96. Dumbass.

    Comment by jharp —

    What a compelling point, jharp.

    Tell me, how did Bush drive us into a near depression? Remember, you can’t rely on spending levels post 2006, since that’s the democrats’, such as Obama’s fault. You also can’t mention housing, since that’s the democrats’ too. Probably should note that he saved us from the Clinton mess, exacerbated by 9/11.

    BTW, Clinton’s (projected) surplus = Thanks to the GOP, of course.

    See, I read my constitution. This kind of propaganda is age-old, but it’s 2010 and Tea Partiers have access to better information now. It’s not possible to confuse them this way. They understand tricks like Obamacare not coming into effect for years, so as to pass blame onto the GOP. They understand democrats spent our social security away while pretending the GOP was a threat to it.

    It’s excellent to see a democrat try to make the ‘arguments’ they do, especially when you start cussing up a storm in frustration. That froth means more votes for the GOP, so thanks.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  97. Seems like Jon Stewart’s for plea civility went right over our troll’s heads. Hey guys, aren’t you supposed to be playing nice now? Jon won’t be pleased.

    Jim R. (691129)

  98. Repeating the same phrase over and over makes jharp think he is right. Maybe his mother is reading the comments.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  99. cellphone bias – the last refuge of the troll.

    I’ve already covered this, so perhaps I’ll just have to post a thread on Wed. for the trolls to come by an explain why they got pasted on Tues. Perhaps their wildly inflated view of cellphone bias will be the kernel around which they build a conspiracy theory of how the election was stolen. That would be entertainining to read.

    Karl (83846d)

  100. http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j186/DonaldDouglas/Second%20Americaneocon/beck-stewart-1.jpg

    sure, believe cBS, not your own eyes. such hacks and such morons they assume their viewers to be…i guess many are though

    e mark (0bcd11)

  101. “They are actually similar in the way they seem to be able to convince people of their sincerity, but one of them was actually sincere, did his work, didn’t need a teleprompter, etc.”

    One of them was an actor that was good at delivering lines.

    imdw (017d51)

  102. ___________________________________

    Well, which should we believe, Charles? CBS news or our lying eyes?

    There’s something peculiar going on here.

    I know unnamed National Park Service sources estimated to the media that Beck’s rally attracted over 300,000 people and the “Sanity” event yesterday drew over 200,000.

    If, by contrast, AirPhotosLive.com is estimating not just the opposite, but a greatly reversed number, then I’d like to see their aerial shots of Comedy Central’s jokeathon to figure out just how reliable (or not)their methodology is based on the images they’ve obtained.

    CBS News, notorious for accepting a fake letter on George Bush’s military service, isn’t an operation that gives me too much confidence. And I don’t know how much spin and BS gameplaying their people will be guilty of on any occasion.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  103. Just a second ago, very low approval wasn’t a problem if a democrat suffers from it. Oh, what a difference a “w” makes for some of these folks.

    Don’t be surprised when W takes full advantage. There are a few swing states where he’s polling better than he did in 2004. Nothing could drive the left off message faster than W showing up for a patriotic speech or two in 2012. W won a lot of elections by being smart… I think he has yet more froth to spill from the mouths of nuts.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  104. “Perhaps their wildly inflated view of cellphone bias will be the kernel around which they build a conspiracy theory of how the election was stolen.”

    Karl – Just like the exit polls in 2004. Ohio was stolen in 2004! The GOP murdered the guy who was going to spill the beans!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  105. And the other read his lines from a TelePrompTer.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  106. “Seems like Jon Stewart’s for plea civility went right over our troll’s heads.”

    Stewarts rally was to restore sanity you dumbass. And restoring sanity often requires tough love you mamby pamby wuss.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  107. Jim R has a point.

    I don’t love Beck, but his rally did inspire me to be pursue a different tack with progressives. Respect for even those folks is patriotic.

    Why are the lefties fired up even more? I suppose because Obama calls conservatives “your enemies” to “punch twice as hard” and all that nonsense.

    “why they got pasted on Tues.” -Karl

    The answer will be some kind of conspiracy theory, of course.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  108. Karl

    please do. i’d love to see it.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  109. Why are you so angry and hatey and full of piss and vinegar and hate, jharpsichord? Tuesday is just tearing you to shreds, isn’t it?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  110. I love how the capitol dome in the photo above is elongated (stretched). Obvious photoshop of some type.
    Classic.

    DJ (b6c445)

  111. “Tell me, how did Bush drive us into a near depression?”

    A three trillion dollar unnecessary war against the wrong country. All borrowed. Another 3/4 of a trillion handout to the drug companies. All borrowed. And another few trillion handed to the wealthiest Americans. Again all borrowed.

    And I must have missed the teabaggers protesting passing this debt on to our children.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  112. Your Stewart circle is too long. Note that Stewart’s stage is a ways in on the first square after the pool in front of the capitol. Your oval is 33% too big

    AJStrata (083265)

  113. One of them was an actor that was good at delivering lines.

    Comment by imdw

    He was also a great president.

    Any democrat wanting even an ounce of credibility realizes that Reagan was a very clever and forward thinking leader, who managed a lot of chaos without the kinds of problems Obama has shown.

    Clinton was also a good manager. He could show confidence in tough times.

    Reagan won the most perilous war in human history without firing an overt short. I know some particularly screwball lefties pretend that isn’t so. They also think 9/11 was an inside job. Do you think 9/11 was an inside job?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  114. Hey Frey, you gotta keep this Worthing guy. He’s a real catch. Like Jim Hoft, but with more retard.

    Well done.

    TBogg (d0d7dd)

  115. jharp, your numbers are pulled out of your ass. And you call us stupid?

    Grow up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  116. Tsk tsk, jharp.

    Jim R. (691129)

  117. ZOMFG – The trolls are coming out of the woodwork. Tbogg?! Jharpie is just depressed that he is going to lose Bayh’s seat, and that the Dems in his State are not even willing to admit it.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  118. Hey guys, alot of comments are getting caught in filters. This happpens i think mostly for political content neutral reasons like that you put in a link. so if you link to something and your comment doesn’t show up, that is why.

    I also think some words get you in trouble. For instance, tbogg’s use of the r-word. Even though it was insulting to me, i let that through.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  119. ______________________________

    And Dustin is a liar.

    No, he isn’t. Polling data after 2 years of the Bush White House did show a higher positive rating than the rating 2 years into the Obama administration. However, Reagan and Clinton did have lower favorability ratings 2 years into their presidencies than what the guy now in the Oval Office is getting. In that regard, President “Goddamn America” is receiving quite a bit of benefit of the doubt.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  120. Jharpie is sure to denounce the trillions of dollars in deficits and debt that Barcky has run up in 2short years, and for years to come, based on his silly economic schemes, BarckCare, etc …

    JD (c8c1d2)

  121. “Why are you so angry and hatey and full of piss and vinegar and hate, jharpsichord? Tuesday is just tearing you to shreds, isn’t it?”

    I’m not angry. I don’t hate anyone.

    And Tuesday really doesn’t matter to me much at all. You tell me why I should care about Tuesday.

    I got what I wanted from this group. ObamaCare. And how sweet is that? The rest of the noise means little to me.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  122. And another few trillion handed to the wealthiest Americans. Again all borrowed.

    The rest of your points were wrong, too, but you obviously know that, based on the defensive tone you’re taking.

    I just wanted to note this wasn’t a handout. The government doesn’t own all of our wealth, and the money it doesn’t tax is not a gift… it was already our money.

    And revenues went up thanks to the tax cut. This is well known, even though it was called ‘unexpected’ but the New York Times types.

    Other unexpected things are that when you tax more, we lose jobs. Jobs are created by wealthy folks hiring manpower to make services or goods for profit. The more you tax that process and its profits, the less of this process and profit you get. You have to tax some to build a society of roads and laws and defense, but your dumb ‘handout’ terminology shows you’re a true Obama disciple.

    He’s already on record not caring if a tax increase hurts the economy, because the goal is to stop giving those damn rich people so much of their own money.

    At any rate, it’s strange you completely ignored my rule. Obey it: without citing powers of the House (all spending), how is this Bush’s fault? The House was elected by the people. Blaming Bush for what they do is stupid.

    In particular, your screaming about spending (with wrong numbers you didn’t, can’t, and won’t link) is hilarious since spending exploded in 2006. GOP spending was bad, at an average deficit of $104 billion from 1994 to 2006, but it was not causing a depression. In fact, GOP spending levels led to a booming economy with 5-6% unemployment.

    You want to scream instead of dig into information, because you’d have to admit it’s congress who controls spending, and spending changed for the worse the instant the dems got control over it, and the economy was excellent until that happened.

    You might think Bush is the devil, but he’s not.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  123. And Tuesday really doesn’t matter to me much at all.

    bwahahahahahahahaha

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  124. Your anger and hate is palpable, jharpie. And, you are a liar.

    If your goal was BarckyCare, then your prior wailing about deficits and spending was objectively dishonest.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  125. jharp: Those grapes were probably sour anyway!

    I don’t hate you stupid dumbass liars!!!!!

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  126. JD.

    What was the Federal deficit for the last fiscal year of the Bush presidency, and what was it for the first full fiscal year of the Obama presidency?

    In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion. In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion. Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit.

    And the dumbass teabaggers are out protesting Obama cutting the deficit by $125 BILLION. Whilst at the same time cutting taxes for 95% of us.

    The stupidity is breathtaking. American teabaggers are the dumbest f*cking people on the planet.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  127. How do those balls taste in your mouth, jharpie, you angry hate filled lying liar?

    When did Pelosi and Reid take over the House and Senate?

    The idea that barcky has reduced the deficits and debt is a lie lie lie lie lie lie lie. You should be embarassed to even try.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  128. Wow, jharp, you’re just ignoring the truth.

    Bush cannot set the budget. It’s just not a power the president has. That’s the Democrat House deficit, not Bush’s.

    The best you can do is say he was president at the same time, while ignoring who set the budget. Not that the rest of your information is accurate either.

    It’s actually pretty breathtaking how dishonest you’re being while trying to prove how ‘stupid’ we all are. You say you wanted Obamacare, but it’s not coming to fruition for years yet, and the democrats spent so much money it’s unlikely we will be able to fund it.

    I guess nothing matters to you aside from blaming Bush. These lies of yours just won’t confuse people like they used to. We know who voted in the House and Senate for spending hikes.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  129. “You might think Bush is the devil, but he’s not.”

    I do not believe in spirits. That’s you dumbasses schtick. Bush was nothing more than a puppet for corporatism. And he didn’t fail. Many profited IMMENSELY, exactly as they planned.

    And the sooner you dumbasses figure that out the better off we’ll all be.

    And tell me again how the Bush tax cuts did creating jobs? The worst since Herbert Hoover, you dumbshit.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  130. _______________________________________

    I suppose because Obama calls conservatives “your enemies” to “punch twice as hard” and all that nonsense.

    Don’t forget this memorable line:

    “If they [McCain’s people] bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun,” Obama said in Philadelphia last night.

    BTW, I know a phony-ass liberal (ie, limousine liberal) who several weeks ago became quite upset with me when I carpooled him from LAX using the 110 Freeway to downtown LA. He was fretting about how that corridor is notorious for drive-by shootings.

    I was tempted to retort, “hey, fool, this freeway you’re so spooked by goes through neighborhoods where over 90 percent of the residents think just like you do: Blindly, stupidly pro-liberal, blindly, stupidly pro-Democrat-Party!”

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  131. “Bush cannot set the budget. It’s just not a power the president has. That’s the Democrat House deficit, not Bush’s.”

    Ssshhhh, it’s more fun when jahrp thinks he’s the smart one.

    Jim R. (691129)

  132. The idea that barcky has reduced the deficits and debt is a lie lie lie lie lie lie lie.

    Amen.

    It’s one thing to say he’s justified, and quite another to lie about it. Democracy doesn’t work if you lie about reality. It’s not like we’re OK with the $104 Billion GOP House average deficit either, but we’re not stupid. Jharp and those like him have to win millions of Tea Party votes over, or he loses Obamacare. And you can tell he has given up hope of doing it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  133. Yup. The Trolls are certainly scared and angry. And I am particularly impressed by anyone calling another person a “dumbass” who attacks bad economic policies that are much, much worse now.

    Projection again.

    Trolls, you were played by the DNC. No hope and change. Just Chicago politics. And you are forced to defend things that you would never, ever tolerate from a Republican.

    No wonder your heads are exploding.

    But no worries. Tuesday you will see genuine hope and change. And since you love people with Ds after their names, you can start looking for such people who aren’t corrupt hacks like Pelosi, Reid, etc. Maybe you could find some good centrist Democrats to support.

    And that would be a good thing for everyone.

    But by all means, do continue flinging insults. It really makes you look calm and confident about Tuesday.

    Oh, I forgot: you don’t care about Tuesday.

    C’mon. Your side blew it, big time. And you know it.

    So find some non-hacks with Ds after their name to support. Harry Reid as head of the Senate? Really? Nancy Pelosi in the House? Honestly?

    No wonder you are angry.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  134. jharp, Obama added spending to FY2009. So you’ve demonstrated your utter incompetence at even trolling. Not to mention your basic dishonesty.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  135. SPQR, you know that these trolls don’t actually read anything or think deeply. They are just alphabetists. All they care about is D versus R. Anything else is just a detail to be shrugged off.

    Sort of like POTUS carrying on about carbon footprints while preparing to fly 40 aircraft to India. Rules are for other people.

    And trolls are just posting to stir the pot normally. Now, however, they are scared. They bought into something that didn’t pay off.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  136. And you are forced to defend things that you would never, ever tolerate from a Republican.

    Eric’s obviously right. Jharp is complaining about spending levels while championing Obama’s spending cuts (I know, they aren’t even real).

    Partisanship is not worth personal integrity.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  137. jharp, Obama added spending to FY2009.

    And he cut the deficit, you idiot.

    And there was this pesky thing called a complete global economic collapse that he averted with his spending.

    You see that’s the difference between us. You think it’s OK to blow $3 trillion on a war for nothing but saving America jobs makes Obama a Marxist.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  138. The difference, Dustin, between the Left and the Right at present is that Rightists have no trouble saying that they hold their nose while voting for someone who isn’t “right enough” to suit their agenda.

    Have you ever heard (except for the murmurs of HRC supporters) the same kind of thing from the Left? A few people on the Left here have said that, and it is hopeful.

    Most of the Left is just cheerleading right now.

    And the MSM doesn’t “get” that it isn’t about D versus R at present. It’s about statism. The RNC will discover that soon.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  139. “I love how the capitol dome in the photo above is elongated (stretched). Obvious photoshop of some type. Classic.”

    Chances are the two originals weren’t the same size, so they had to be manipulated to fit into this composite. Who made it?

    imdw (017d51)

  140. And the Angry Troll Who Will Lose™ once again creatively calls opponents “stupid.”

    Nicely played. Very confident. You look great. Keep it up; I love how you make “your side” look by your actions.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  141. Saving jobs? He has lost over 8,000,000 jobs. Jharpie’s dishonesty is breath-taking. As is it’s hatey hate.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  142. “Chances are the two originals weren’t the same size, so they had to be manipulated to fit into this composite. Who made it?

    Comment by imdw ”

    Not sure it matters, but it appears to overstate the Stewart rally’s size. It’s useful anyway by using context buildings to then compare in overhead views, showing just how much bigger the Beck rally was.

    Not that this is a big surprise, given how much more popular Republicans are than Democrats this year. You’re practically arguing that the earth is flat to pretend otherwise.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  143. Also, I love the comments about the deficit from the ATWWL.

    Maybe it is a “jobs created or saved” sort of piece of partisan sophistry?

    Boy howdy, he makes the Left look grand, doesn’t he? I hope the talks this way wherever he goes; it will help on Tuesday. But not the way he wants…

    So rage away, scared little troll.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  144. jharp, you are making up stuff. Obama did not “cut” any deficit at all. He did in fact add to FY 2009 spending. And in fact, he added to baseline spending year over year.

    Utter fabrication does not make you look smarter than anyone else. Especially when you do it so incompetently.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  145. Careful, SPQR. He’ll call you “stupid” again.

    Or hold his breath while insisting that Obama did too cut the deficit.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  146. ________________________________________

    Your anger and hate is palpable, jharpie.

    Come on, he can’t help reflecting what is the essence of him (or her). Unless he’s somehow unusual — ie, he didn’t start off leaning to the left early on in life, as is true of most people — and certainly if he’s past his “young” years, this (which I hereby reprise) is at the core of his ilk:

    Reason.com, December 2006:

    The people who give the least are the young, especially young liberals. [Arthur C.] Brooks Brooks [public policy professor at Syracuse University] writes that “young liberals — perhaps the most vocally dissatisfied political constituency in America today — are one of the least generous demographic groups out there. In 2004, self-described liberals younger than thirty belonged to one-third fewer organizations in their communities than young conservatives. In 2002, they were 12 percent less likely to give money to charities, and one-third less likely to give blood.” Liberals, he says, give less than conservatives because of religion, attitudes about government, structure of families, and earned income.

    He writes that young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too. Compared with young conservatives, “a lower percentage said they would prefer to suffer than let a loved one suffer, that they are not happy unless the loved one is happy, or that they would sacrifice their own wishes for those they love.”

    ________________________________________

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  147. “Obama did not “cut” any deficit at all.”

    Yes he did. The facts.

    FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  148. Doubling down on a lie does not make it true, jharpie.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  149. jharp, the facts are that Obama added spending to the FY2009 budget. Repetition does not improve your fraudulent claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  150. I’m having too much fun watching the ignorant Texas rednecks at the Cowboys game getting their asses handed to them.

    I’m outta here. It’s been fun.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  151. How much did Barcky add to that budget of which you speak, jharpie, or are you completely ignorant? Or just dishonest?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  152. Everyone not named jharpie is an idiot.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  153. “jharp, the facts are that Obama added spending to the FY2009 budget.”

    So what? You dumbshit.

    He cut the deficit. That is the point. You know, the bottom line. I made that quite clear.

    The facts. Again.

    FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  154. “Not sure it matters, but it appears to overstate the Stewart rally’s size”

    How? There’s at least one other picture that shows more areas covered. That argues for an understatement in this composite.

    imdw (8bb588)

  155. one of the analyst whores the airphotoslive losers buy for analyzings is Stephen Doig who is of the enduring conviction that Bush Stoled Teh Election

    Doig’s analysis of voting patterns in Florida in led him to believe that had there been no errors in vote counting in Florida during the 2000 U.S. presidential election, Democratic Party candidate Al Gore would have won the state’s electoral votes instead of Republican Party candidate, and, thereby, the ultimate winner of the U.S. Presidency, George W. Bush.[3]

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  156. A blast from the vile jharp past:

    7. You’re funny Karl.

    Good one. Making an issue of Biden’s response to Couric’s question….

    When Palin’s son Trig could have answered more intelligently than Palin did to Couric’s questions..

    Comment by jharp — 10/1/2008 @ 6:58 pm

    daleyrocks (940075)

  157. Imdw care more about how many people got bussed in to a concert than things that actually matter. LOOK BUNNIES !!!!

    JD (c8c1d2)

  158. It’s amazing to me that conservatives rally around someone like Beck. A one-semester college dropout, former alcoholic, said he smoked pot every day of his life for 15 years. A guy who not only calls the President a racist but says he has a “deep seated hatred for white people and white culture.”

    An apt leader of the tea party, manufactured by Fox News.

    no comparison (0e8cd6)

  159. Daley, we just need to send these people a nice fruit basket on Wednesday. Don’t you think?

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  160. A.W. – You should feel honored. TBagg the teabagee, the Truman Capote of the internet, felt it necessary to rake a break from sexually abusing his dogs to drop by and make a substance-free comment on the thread.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  161. _____________________________________

    ignorant Texas rednecks

    I know a variety of leftists ascribe conservatism and negative stereotypes to white Southerners. But do such “lefties” ever consider that a far higher percentage (up to or over 90 percent) of black America truly is ideologically monolithic? That it’s devoutly, blindly, foolishly liberal?

    And how much of that part of society is always bogged down by various dysfunctions, including schools full of rowdy kids who love the notion that “education is for Uncle Tom sell-outs and whites!”, obnoxious, if not illegal, behavior in the community in general, flakiness gone off the deep end, a lack of balanced, honest introspection, etc? IOW, self-destructive, pro-loser characteristics that the left loves to toy with and exploit—-and limousine liberals love to weep and cry about, but also steer clear of as far and wide as possible.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  162. “no comparison”, good point – with a personal history like that, Beck would make a typical Democrat politician.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  163. jharpie

    > When Palin’s son Trig could have answered more intelligently

    Wow, don’t you love it when the left uses a child with down’s syndrome as a punch line?

    Hey, I got an idea. let’s let them run health care!

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  164. “How?”

    You’re asking how stretching a picture to make objects look larger (Y axis) would make the crowd look larger?

    Are you serious?

    Oh wait, of course you aren’t. You just want me to respond to you. Pretty sure everyone can see why the stretched image would make everything in it look larger.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  165. “A one-semester college dropout, former alcoholic, said he smoked pot every day of his life for 15 years.”

    no comparison – I guess Beck should have done coke and smoked dick like Obama, right?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  166. Is smoking dope only okay, depending on what your political viewpoints are?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  167. Aaron Worthing,
    Please tell us about your personal relationship with Christ.

    w (0e8cd6)

  168. JD – Did I miss something? Is Beck running for office?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  169. JD, have a drug or alcohol problem, but unless you’ve driven a car off a bridge in a drunken stupor and killed a passenger, you are only not fit to be a Republican.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  170. How the rallies compare in diversity? Beck’s “whitestock” seemed to be a much older, less diverse crowd, less reprentative [sic]of America.
    Comment by no comparison — 10/31/2010 @ 8:11 am

    Perhaps I missed it reading through the comments here but I don’t see where you noted Stewart’s “whitestock” – from the photos I’ve seen on the web, the audience seemed predominantly (by far), white. Where is the diversity? Perhaps if you shared your links, you might be taken a bit more seriously.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  171. Did someone spray troll attractant on this post?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  172. Dear Professor Yelverton:

    Please tell us about your personal relationship with eating nuts every day.

    Also, I enjoyed your science-free discussion of food additives. I don’t mind it normally; I don’t expect people to have actually taken genuine chemistry classes (as you have claimed, oddly). What I mind is when people like yourself—lacking any scientific knowledge—them criticize others for their lack of knowledge.

    It’s the hallmark of a troll.

    Go back to playing panpipes and get drunk on Tuesday. You’ll need to do so.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  173. Yeah, LGF is pretty pathetic.

    I think the part I find most offensive is how he and his sycophants wrap themselves in the flag of “science” and intellectualism. I find no evidence that either scientists or intellectuals frequent his site.

    I used to read LGF to keep up on the evolution/creationism stuff, but there’s so little intellectual honesty there that I’ve come to sympathize with (even though I do not agree with) the creationists.

    CJ, I’m thinking that when you’ve lost an actual scientist who does not want to see creationism taught in a public school science class, that’s probably a sign that you’ve lost your credibility.

    Plus, he really is a bully.

    Y-not (5c451e)

  174. Dana – Some are calling Stewart’s rally Wadstock, for jerkwads or dickwads it attracted.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  175. w…please tell us about your personal relationship with mass murderers, pedophiles, and child rapists.

    AD-RtR/OS! (a25a44)

  176. Dana, you know the answer: only the Right is racist. The Left is exempt.

    Which is ironic, considering history.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  177. William the plagiarist Yelverton – please explain why you hate and lie, and why you plagiarize, and why you bugger cats.

    Daley – was not suggesting Beck is running, just noting the abject hypocrisy of the leftists. Apparently, smoking dope is only bad is you are a conservative.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  178. CJ has become the darling of the NYT; he is their go-to conservative when they attempt to give equal representation. That’s really all one needs to know regarding his credibility factor.

    Besides which, what sort of man deletes and revises posts on the spot just to cover his ass – without any correction/update note to readers, as well as banning commenters who challenge and push him to think through an issue, or reconsider assumptions he’s made? The question rather answers itself, no?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  179. _________________________________________

    “deep seated hatred for white people and white culture.”

    Actually, not the part of “white people” and “white culture” that is of the left, if not ultra-left. However, it’s not too much a stretch to assume the guy now in the Oval Office, who happily belonged to a church presided over by Jeremiah Wright, will inadvertently spread that hatred over to white liberals too.

    Speaking of which, I did overhear some black guy a few months ago speaking in very exasperated, aggravated tones about how “white liberals” were too demanding of Obama. That they weren’t being patient and faithful enough to the president.

    The clincher was this guy also sputtered about how Latinos were loyal only to their group and didn’t mind running roughshod over blacks in the process.

    I was both amused and disgusted by the way this guy — who was black but more crucially was a classic limousine liberal (and you don’t have to be rich to be one of those) — was so guilty of cognitive dissonance. When I observe that, I can’t help but think of the following…

    young liberals are less likely do nice things for their nearest and dearest, too.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  180. “Imdw care more about how many people got bussed in to a concert than things that actually matter. LOOK BUNNIES !!!!”

    Bunnies? Did you read the post you’re commenting on? Quite a bit of it is about crowd size. Weren’t you even commenting on the picture? What’s happening to you man?

    “A guy who not only calls the President a racist but says he has a “deep seated hatred for white people and white culture.””

    Maybe Beck thinks Obama plays golf sarcastically.

    imdw (c5488f)

  181. “Besides which, what sort of man deletes and revises posts on the spot just to cover his ass”

    Jeff Goldstein?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  182. Dana, you know the answer: only the Right is racist. The Left is exempt.

    Which is ironic, considering history.

    Which is ironic considering I myself am a conservative and minority. It can only be self-loathing, I’m sure… heh.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  183. “no comparison – I guess Beck should have done coke and smoked dick like Obama, right?”

    I thought beck actually abused cocaine. As for smoking dick, is he married? MAybe his wife takes care of that.

    imdw (c5488f)

  184. Dana nailed it. I actually contend the Restoring Honor rally was more diverse. And it wasn’t based on demonizing the other rally, of course.

    All the left has is demonization right now, which has to be very annoying for some lefties who don’t see the world hatefully.

    ‘Restoring Sanity’ from the get-go was about insulting those who don’t agree with democrats. It was about lying that democrat policies are non-partisan. I saw ridiculous USA flag pajamas meant to mock the actually patriotic (from rally speakers). The signs were far uglier than any other rally’s have been recently.

    And now, as Obama loses his congress, the left can only bash Bush as Bush rockets up in popularity.

    Wheeler likes to boast out a demographic time-bomb, which is very typical of democrats. Each race is the assigned property of some political faction. People are not that stupid. The real time-bomb is the information age timebomb.

    People can see the democrats have destroyed social security and can’t save the economy or their jobs. People can see Beck isn’t a racist. As we become more informed, we become a nation of individuals wanting individual rights instead of class and race warfare. If CNN doesn’t want to cover Move On beating up a protester, the protester can cover it. If the Alaskan media wants to lie about Joe Miller, he can put proof on youtube.

    This ‘restoring sanity’ rally is a last ditch cry for help from Viacom.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  185. LOOK BUNNIES !!!!!!!!!!!!! Willaim the racist hilljack Yelverton wants to talk about Jesus, and be an aggressive bigot towards Christians. iamadimwit wants to talk about photoshopped crowd pictures and Beck. I say go ahead.

    We get the House.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  186. I thought beck actually abused cocaine

    I didn’t know that. Then again, people should remember that imdw is absolutely deranged when it comes to Beck, having joked that he rapes children (only attempting to say it seriously).

    I know Beck had some kind of problem in his past, but imdw could be making up his claims. If he did, he will then pretend it’s funny, like when he insisted Beck raped and murdered a child.

    Now, I do know Obama admitted to abusing cocaine. I don’t think people who do that should be president. Beck is just a showbiz talent, coke or not, but Obama is the commander in chief, and he used to snort coke.

    Ah, the never ending moral compass motion of imdw.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  187. Where are the breathless reports of mean signs in the MFM?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  188. I would put it this way regarding the rally yesteray: If that is what Restoring Sanity looks like, I’ll happily keep shopping on the crazy aisle.

    The clips I’ve watched and from what I’ve read, it was akin to being high school all over again – idealistic, naive, angry, self-indulged, and too cool for one’s own good.

    But then I’m just a minority and conservative. What do I know?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  189. Dimwit hates beck, the joooooooooooos,and luvs posting Patterico’s address.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  190. Yeah, a quick google of Beck and cocaine yields a lot of imdw style 9/11 truthers joking about it.

    I think Beck was an alcoholic rather than a coke-head, and indeed, that’s significantly better.

    Will imdw prove his claim?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  191. jharp

    did i see you claim that Obama REDUCED the deficit?

    Wow, talk about bizarro world.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  192. btw, holy crap we are up to almost 193 comments on a sunday.

    cool.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  193. “was not suggesting Beck is running, just noting the abject hypocrisy of the leftists.”

    JD – So was I. Not very Christian of them to be so unforgiving.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  194. Dustin – I would hardly call that “better”.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  195. “did i see you claim that Obama REDUCED the deficit?”

    Yes. It is a fact. And it is public record.

    In FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion.

    Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  196. Tripling down on a lie does not make it true. It makes you dishonest, or stoooooooopid.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  197. “I know Beck had some kind of problem in his past, but imdw could be making up his claims. ”

    What kind?

    “Now, I do know Obama admitted to abusing cocaine.”

    I have read he used it. Do you consider any use to be abuse?

    “I don’t think people who do that should be president. ”

    Do what? Admit it? What other presidents do you think have used blow?

    imdw (8a8ced)

  198. jharp – It would be more honest to measure from when the Democrats took back Congress, but then you have never been a fan of honesty.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  199. Dustin – I would hardly call that “better”.

    Comment by JD

    It’s not high praise. And alcoholism is a big problem. As far as I know, Bush and Beck are outspoken about recovering from that kind of thing.

    Cocaine takes law breaking to be addicted to. It’s simply amazingly stupid to become Obama-style addicted, and he’s not really explaining his turnaround from such a low point.

    Both are serious flaws, but I wouldn’t vote a coke-head into office unless I had no choice. At any rate, imdw was probably trying to slip in a lie in hopes people would be fooled. Is he going to show me some evidence for his nasty claim?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  200. “I know Beck had some kind of problem in his past, but imdw could be making up his claims. ”

    What kind?

    “Now, I do know Obama admitted to abusing cocaine.”

    I have read he used it. Do you consider any use to be abuse?

    “I don’t think people who do that should be president. ”

    Do what? Admit it? What other recent presidents do you think have used blow?

    imdw (16090e)

  201. Wait, is jharp claiming Obama has the power to set the budget?

    And is he claiming a budget was ever actually set?

    Or is he just that angry at Bush that he’ll believe anything.

    Jharp: did Bush let 9/11 happen?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  202. Let’s not get all judgey.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  203. it was my understanding that this thread would feature bunnies

    happyfeet (42fd61)

  204. “What other recent presidents do you think have used blow?”

    Clinton – Big time.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  205. I have read he used it. Do you consider any use to be abuse?

    If you read it then you can tell me where you read it. I suspect if I push you on this it will have the same result as the last time I pushed you, where you admitted you read that Beck raped and murdered a child on a website meant to smear him as a joke. You knew you were lying then, and I just don’t trust you.

    “What other recent presidents do you think have used blow?”

    None. Why? Are you one of those truther morons who pretends Bush was on cocaine? Got any evidence for that? Of course not. I have evidence Obama abused cocaine.


    Barack Obama had this to say about himself: “Junkie. Pothead. That’s where I’d been headed: the final, fatal role of the young would-be black man. . . . I got high [to] push questions of who I was out of my mind.”

    So when you call Beck a coke user, you have nothing to back it up but your own word. When I call Obama a junkie, I have Obama’s own claim that he is a junkie.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  206. And just imagine if Palin or Beck called the final role of the would-be black man “junkie pothead”.

    Obama was trying to pick whether to be a stereotypical white or a stereotypical black, relying on dumb stereotypes. If he had been smarter, he’d have said he was not confined to race, and could just be a individual.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  207. First he posted video that supposedly showed that “Bush bowed too.”

    Bush held hands with and kissed the Saudi prince you jackass.

    Oh and 215,000, not bad. 87,000 for a hate filled festival of ignorance and 215,000 for a rally to restore sanity.

    Maybe there is hope for our country.
    Thats what you said.

    These brain deads represent hope? ROFLMAO
    There is hope and it is coming on tuesday. Get ready to cry baby.

    Grimcargo (a74167)

  208. Let’s not get all judgey.

    Comment by JD

    Well, fair enough. I’m straight as an arrow, and I’ve got some idiots in my family who weren’t, so I take a particularly uncharitable view on hard drug use.

    Anyone can turn their life around and accomplish something, even if they made mistakes. You can be a junkie and still wind up as President of the United States, after all.

    But just to be honest, I take alcoholism seriously but not as seriously as being a junkie.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  209. “If you read it then you can tell me where you read it”

    If you google “obama cocaine” you’ll find articles discussing him having used it. Most based on his book, which I have not read.

    “When I call Obama a junkie, I have Obama’s own claim that he is a junkie.”

    Actually that text says he was headed that way. Not that he was there.

    imdw (16090e)

  210. All that is different is the delivery system.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  211. If you google “obama cocaine” you’ll find articles discussing him having used it. Most based on his book, which I have not read.

    all I found was idiots asking if Palin did coke too, claims about pods on the bottom of airplanes proving 9/11 was an inside job (do you think it was, imdw?), etc

    I provided a link proving Obama used cocaine. You can’t meet my standards because you aren’t as honest as I am. Now, your reply is to ‘google it’, after I show I did google it.

    All that is different is the delivery system.

    Comment by JD

    I don’t think there’s anything wrong with the vast majority of people who use alcohol. I do think there’s a serious problem with people who choose cocaine. Whether it’s my business is a different matter, but I think there’s a difference.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  212. look Aaron.
    Charles hasnt changed.
    He hates fascists of every stripe just like he always did.
    He has always hated islamofascists…….but now he also hates christofascists tooo.
    :).

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  213. Comment by wheeler’s cat — 10/31/2010 @ 12:46 pm

    Clearly, when Charles looks in the mirror he doesn’t recognize that fascist of another stripe looking back at him.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  214. christofascists

    LOL. I’m sure if pressed, Wheeler will show that he is directly comparing those who murdered thousands of innocent people on 9/11 to Christine O’Donnell objecting to the federal government deciding local education issues.

    Or something even less sinister than that, I guess. If you’re talking about some Christian blowing up a clinic, that’s at least within the realm of reason, even if the death toll is different. But those people are not the targets of LGF’s attacks. He’s attacking those who merely disagree, regardless of what they do about it.

    How is that fair, wheeler?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  215. imdw thinks that ‘using’ cocaine is okay?

    Tells u all that u need to know.

    Icy Texan (8ff635)

  216. Amusing aside, India has to install a teleprompter in its parliament building for the first time in its history because Obama can’t deliver a 20min speech without one.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  217. Nishidiot is mentally unbalanced. Tuesday is going to be fun, nishidiot, no?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  218. _________________________________________

    Yes, that means President Obama has cut the deficit.

    Uh-huh, based on the common sense and logic of a leftist mind—of his, if not yours, too.

    Heritage.org, August 25, 2009:

    Since World War II, federal spending has generally remained between 18 and 22 percent of GDP. During the Bush Administration, spending increased from 18 to 21 percent of GDP. This year, President Obama will spend a peacetime-record 26 percent of GDP. Even by 2019, spending would still be 23 percent of GDP–not even counting the President’s proposed health plan.

    The 22 percent spending increase projected for 2009 represents the largest government expansion since the 1952 height of the Korean War (adjusted for inflation). Federal spending is up 57 percent since 2001.

    President Obama claims that “we have already identified $2 trillion in savings over the next decade.” This is not true. The President first creates a fantasy baseline that assumes the Iraq surge continues forever (which was never U.S. policy) and then “saves” $1.5 trillion against that baseline by ending the surge as scheduled. It is like a family “saving” $10,000 by first assuming an expensive vacation and then not taking it. Another $1 trillion in “savings” is actually tax increases (in other words, savings for government, not taxpayers).

    The President’s budget figures exclude his health care plan, which could add another trillion dollars in taxes and spending.

    Federal spending per household (adjusted for inflation) remained constant at $21,000 throughout the 1980s and 1990s, before President Bush hiked it to $25,000. In 2009, Washington will spend $30,958 per household–the highest level in American history–and under President Obama’s budget, the figure will rise above $33,000 by 2019.

    President Obama’s budget includes $1.4 trillion in tax increases, all of which would go toward new spending rather than deficit reduction.

    Since World War II, the largest budget deficit recorded was 6.0 percent of GDP in 1983. The Bush Administration oversaw budget deficits averaging 2.0 percent of GDP. The projected 2009 budget deficit of 11.2 percent of GDP would nearly double the post-war record. The White House budget proposal would keep the budget deficit above 3.7 percent of GDP indefinitely. It has not reached that level since 1993.

    The 2009 budget deficit will be larger than all budget deficits from 2002 through 2007 combined. More than 43 cents of every dollar Washington spends in 2009 will have been borrowed.

    While President Obama claims to have inherited the 2009 budget deficit, it is important to note that the estimated 2009 budget deficit has increased by $400 billion since his inauguration, and the whole point of the “stimulus” was to increase deficit spending to nearly $2 trillion based on the unproven notion that would it alleviate the recession. This suggests that even if the President had not inherited a big deficit, he would have created one as a matter of anti-recessionary policy.

    The White House brags that it will cut the deficit in half by 2013. The President does not mention that the deficit has nearly quadrupled this year. Merely cutting it half from that bloated level would still leave budget deficits twice as high as under President Bush.

    _________________________________________

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  219. wheeler’s cat hates it the Jooooosofacists.

    Icy Texan (8ff635)

  220. Obama is a TOTUS junkie.

    Icy Texan (8ff635)

  221. cellphone bias – the last refuge of the troll.

    we shall see, Karl.
    wanna bet? i think you will squeak out a House majority….barely.
    that is what happens historically in midterms.
    im huge on a priori data and Bayes, membah?
    but you have no chance at the senate.
    and no chance at the presidency in two years.
    what margin do you want?
    cross my palm with siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiilvah lawl.
    do you membah 2008? i kicked your assssssssssssss because i went with Nate…..he was Poblano still.

    i think there is extraordinarily high uncertainty– in part because of cellphone bias– ill give you 35-38 seats–not 53.
    :)

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  222. “I provided a link proving Obama used cocaine.”

    I know he used it. It’s in his book. You can find articles discussing that. I just wanted to know whether you think any use is “abuse.”

    imdw (8bb588)

  223. JD’s probably got me to some extent, as I think over Obama’s claims to score blow when he could obtain the money for it, and how people shouldn’t be as dumb as Obama was. Part of Obama’s point is that he was hardly abusing drugs because he had the problems many black men in youth deal with… he was actually far more privileged than most Americans, and choosing drugs because he was, quote, “dumb”.

    Is that as bad as the adult drunk driver? Not at all. But it’s interesting how Obama saw drug use as part of his decision to be a certain race. Race politics are killing kids who reject being ‘too white’ the way Obama did.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  224. I just wanted to know whether you think any use is “abuse.”

    Comment by imdw

    Of course any use of a harmful substance is abuse.

    Any use of cocaine or heroin is abuse.

    But it’s so obnoxious how you’ve ignored 90% of the questions I’ve asked you, only to come back with “I just want to know if you’ll ever ask this banal one”. I get it… you made up your attack on Beck.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  225. Catch my wave, Karl!
    its not too late!
    :)

    wheeler's cat (2db2db)

  226. i think you will squeak out a House majority….barely.

    Thanks, Wheeler. I’ll hold you to this claim. That’s 39 seats you’re claiming. You probably didn’t even know the number.

    And I say 70. You called my predictions wrong, and we’ll see whose prediction was better.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  227. Dear Manga-girl:

    “…im huge on a priori data and Bayes, membah?…”

    Really? Are you again claiming knowledge that you do not have? Like physics? Like biology? Like freaking science fiction? Like your supposed Sufi faith?

    Over and over again, scared little girl, you claim knowledge you do not have. You get your head handed to you, you run away in shame, and then you come back claiming you haven’t been skooled.

    That’s the hallmark of a troll, of course.

    And the fake jive you use in your hapless attempts to seem “cool” and “edgy” is particularly grating. But then, that is your goal.

    I would encourage others to bet you—if you lose, you go away permanently—but you would either change the goalposts or sockpuppet.

    That’s just how you roll. Your history of posting says it all.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  228. Mark,

    You are an imbecile. You cite “Heritage.org, August 25, 2009:”

    Get a clue you f*cking dumbass. Fiscal year 2010 hadn’t yet happened, the year that Obama reduced the deficit.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  229. Dustin, we have tried this before with trolls. Pin her down firmly on the bet. And don’t be surprised when she ignores her own word.

    But then, she has great honor as a follower of the Sufi philosophy.

    Right.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  230. Keep up, jharp. You make your own side look so mature and understanding…and so smart!

    We’ll see you on Wednesday. About that election you say doesn’t matter to you.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  231. Dustin – wheelers/nishidiot is full on certifiably nutz.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  232. Jharp is going with dishonest, I see.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  233. Hey, jharp:

    You have written the following ten times in this thread alone:

    “…God you people are stupid….”

    Even without the punctuation, I suspect you are lazy enough to just use cut and paste.

    I wonder why you are so nasty and bitter?

    Oh wait. I know. Tuesday!

    Keep in mind that there are Left of center or centrists who post here who very much want folks with “D”s after their name to win, who do not resort to your kind of very intelligent debate style.

    Seriously: you do “your side” a lot of damage by your silly posts. Be serious instead of insulting. Who knows? You might change some minds.

    But that isn’t why a troll like you posts.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  234. “im huge on a priori data”

    You realize what this means, right? You’re saying you’re relying on absolutely nothing out here in reality, and just things true without information.

    Things like “I think therefore I am” and 2+2=4.

    And this is your argument for why Karl’s wrong about cell phones and why my prediction for the election is wrong.

    Don’t listen to imdw, pal. Drugs are bad.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  235. Even Nate silver thinks nishidiot wheelers is an imbecile.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  236. AirPhotosLive.com does crowd estimates for the Pentagon as welll. I think think you should attack the Pentagon too.

    comment by no comparison — 10/31/2010 @ 8:41 am

    Wow. The Department of Defense has a need for crowd estimates? What’s the source for that claim?

    Gerald A (0843ed)

  237. jharp,

    I’m always curious why people like you, who clearly see the right as dumb and clueless, are so angry and bitter? It seems to be a common thread amongst the left – even when their guy is in office and they hold control of the House and Senate. It’s ironic to me, but I’m very interested in knowing why that is. There doesn’t seem to be any sense of satisfaction or pleasure in believing that things are now indeed better or improving because of the left’s current domination. Am I missing something? Or do you not believe that things are indeed better and/or improving?

    This is what makes the left such a mystery. No matter if they hold all the cards they seem like inherent malcontents. Unless there is another explanation?

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  238. “Any use of cocaine or heroin is abuse.”

    See that’s really all I needed to understand your moralizing on this topic.

    imdw (0275b8)

  239. “Any use of cocaine or heroin is abuse.”

    See that’s really all I needed to understand your moralizing on this.

    imdw (150cd7)

  240. “Wow. The Department of Defense has a need for crowd estimates? What’s the source for that claim?”

    Seriously?

    imdw (150cd7)

  241. “Obama did not “cut” any deficit at all.”

    Yes he did. The facts.

    FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion.

    Comment by jharp — 10/31/2010 @ 11:32 am

    FY2009 included hundreds of billions new spending not in Bush’s last budget request, like the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009 and some of the failed “stimulus” bill.

    Gerald A (0843ed)

  242. “I’m always curious why people like you, who clearly see the right as dumb and clueless, are so angry and bitter?”

    As of today the only thing that angers me are conservatives treating gay people as second class citizens.

    They did the same thing with women. And black people.

    It’s pretty sickening to me. Especially when children are killing themselves as a result.

    And I enjoy calling out liars. Especially here where you make it so easy.

    I heard God is very angry with you bigots and liars.

    And Obama reduced the deficit and cut taxes, for 95% of us.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  243. Fiscal year 2010 hadn’t yet happened, the year that Obama reduced the deficit.

    You do realize that Obama added another $410 billion to FY 2009 spending, which he signed into law back in March, yes? That makes him partially responsible for the deficit for that year.

    According to the Debt to the Penny charts on Treasury.gov, if we take that $410 billion out (leaving just the Bush deficit), the FY 2009 debt additions would have totaled $1.4 trillion.

    The same charts indicate that the debt added during FY 2010 is $1.6 trillion. Add in the extra $410 billion, and that’s $2 trillion in debt that’s been added in less than 2 years under Obama.

    You’re not exactly making your case here.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  244. As of today the only thing that angers me are conservatives treating gay people as second class citizens.

    Note Jharp doesn’t mind democrats like Obama treating gays like second class citizens.

    Which is predictable.

    anyone who still thinks Obama cut taxes for 95% of Americans is a parrot.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  245. _____________________________________

    As for smoking dick, is he married? MAybe his wife takes care of that.

    It’s a given that the guy now in the Oval Office has used cocaine. He admits to that. However, since the following is not acknowledged by him personally, it’s so-called hearsay.

    But since leftism and bisexuality (or homosexuality) tend to go hand in hand, and since Obama and Rahm Emanuel (a former ballet dancer, btw) are certified leftists, this isn’t too much of a stretch to take at face value. More importantly, it merely illustrates that sexuality, in fact, can easily be a matter of free will and free choice. So one of the big celebs of the left (ie, Obama) — the group that loves to shed tears over the unavailability of same-sex marriage — probably confirms that!

    thejaghunter.wordpress.com:

    President Obama and his chief of staff Rahm Emanuel are lifetime members of the same gay bath house in uptown Chicago, according to informed sources in Chicago’s gay community, as well as veteran political sources in the city.

    The bath house, Man’s Country, caters to older white men and it has been in business for some 30 years and is known as one of uptown Chicago’s “grand old bathhouses.” WMR was told by sources who are familiar with the bath house that it provides one-year “lifetime” memberships to paying customers and that the club’s computerized files and pre-computer paper files, include membership information for both Obama and Emanuel.

    Members of Man’s Country are also issued club identification cards. WMR learned that Obama and Emanuel possessed the ID cards, which were required for entry.

    Obama began frequenting Man’s Country in the mid-1990s, during the time he transitioned from a lecturer at the University of Chicago Law School to his election as an Illinois State Senator in 1996. Emanuel, reportedly joined Man’s Country after he left the Clinton White House and moved back to Chicago in 1998….

    ^ Given the history of someone like ex-Senator Larry Craig — a conservative, no less — if I therefore had to bet a million bucks on the above being legit or not, I’d bet it was true.
    _____________________________________

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  246. “FY2009 included hundreds of billions new spending not in Bush’s last budget request, like the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009 and some of the failed “stimulus” bill.”

    Nonsense. FY 2009 was Bush’s budget asshole.

    And none of the stimulus was in it, jackass.

    Do you even know the dates of our fiscal year, jackass?

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  247. Here’s where you can access the public debt reports:

    http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/pd/pd.htm

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  248. Dana, I envy you your calm manner of engagement (like the sainted DRJ, who was and is a wonderful person to all…even those with whom she vehemently disagrees). Your fine manners are a good reminder that I need to improve mine.

    The fact is that there are many committed Leftists who aren’t like the person to whom you addressed your post. Most of them aren’t like that, in fact. The folks who post as jharp does really aren’t interested in facts or debate. They are acting out.

    You have had or have teenagers. You know the drill! It’s all anger, and inwardly directed. So they lash out at others to feel better about themselves.

    Calling a person stupid means that the person saying that must be smart…or so the defective logic goes. I think that a person who doubts her or his own intelligence or decency would want to make other people “look worse.” That makes them feel better, in an odd way.

    I don’t understand the psychology that connects denigrating another with buoying oneself up, but I do think that is the psychology involved.

    But again, I admire how you take the high road so consistently. It’s too bad the trolls don’t appreciate it. Many other people do, including myself.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  249. Nonsense. FY 2009 was Bush’s budget asshole.

    And Obama added another $410 billion to the deficit in March 2009.

    You can ignore the spending figures all you want, the actual data from the Treasury reports is kicking your teeth in here.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  250. Oh, I know it is just trolling, but still, this was amusing:

    “..As of today the only thing that angers me are conservatives treating gay people as second class citizens…”

    Well, jharp must be pretty steamed at POTUS, then!

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  251. “anyone who still thinks Obama cut taxes for 95% of Americans is a parrot.”

    Obama cut taxes for 95% of us taxpayers you idiot. Not all Americans. You can’t cut taxes if none are being paid, dumbass.

    The Making Work Pay tax cuts. $400 for individuals and $800 for couples.

    But you’d have to file a tax return to know that.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  252. And jharp continues to repost the same grammatically challenged phrase:

    “…God you people are stupid…”

    Maybe he should just be called CutNPaste for his new nickname.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  253. ______________________________________

    This is what makes the left such a mystery. No matter if they hold all the cards they seem like inherent malcontents. Unless there is another explanation?

    New York Times, April 2008:

    For three decades, the General Social Survey has asked a nationwide sample of adults, “Taken all together, how happy would you say you are these days? Would you say that you are very happy, pretty happy, or not too happy?” Here is a representative sample of the results:

    • In 2004, 44 percent of respondents who said they were “conservative” or “very conservative” said they were “very happy,” versus just 25 percent of people who called themselves “liberal” or “very liberal.” (Note that this comparison uses unweighted data — when the data are weighted, the gap is 46 percent to 28 percent.)

    • Adults on the political right are only half as likely as those on the left to say, “At times, I think I am no good at all.” They are also less likely to say they are dissatisfied with themselves, that they are inclined to feel like a failure, or to be pessimistic about their futures.

    • It doesn’t matter who holds political power. The happiness gap between conservatives and liberals has persisted for at least 30 years. Indeed, the difference was greater some years under Bill Clinton than it was under George W. Bush. Democrats may very well win the presidency in 2008, and no doubt many liberals will enjoy seeing conservatives grieving out about that — but the data say that conservatives will still be happier people than liberals.

    ______________________________________

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  254. jharp, your name-calling only reinforces your ignorance of the basic facts.

    You intentionally confuse budget years, lie about what spending were included in them, and then call us names for pointing out your dishonesty. Why is it that you think your fraud won’t get called out?

    Yep, that’s the jharp we tired of long ago.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  255. “Well, jharp must be pretty steamed at POTUS, then!”

    Baby steps. Baby steps.

    Of course I’d like to see him do more.

    But here is a clue you fucking dumbass. There is no one I am going to agree with 100% of time.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  256. You gentlemen should really try this science thing. It works so much better than pulling numbers out of one’s ass.

    I will only say one thing – HARPTARD LIVES!

    Remember, this is the same Harptard that has claimed the following:

    – that he’s independently wealthy via an import/export business (this was never clarified);

    – that he currently resides in a mansion with a lawn approximately the size of a football field;

    – ‘his “mansion” is in effect a van DOWN BY THE RIVER!

    Dmac (ad2c6a)

  257. Jharpie just shot his wad when he went all in with the racist sexist homophobe idiocy.

    JD (428a42)

  258. As of today the only thing that angers me are conservatives treating gay people as second class citizens.

    Who is it that is appealing DADT?

    They did the same thing with women. And black people.

    This is so broad brushed and vague, I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but I will remind you that conservatives have been in the forefront of protecting the very right to live for all unborn women, and were frankly leading the way in civil rights. And do you recall which party was it that MLK belonged to?

    It’s pretty sickening to me. Especially when children are killing themselves as a result.

    No clue what you are referring to???

    And I enjoy calling out liars. Especially here where you make it so easy.

    If you are accusing me of lying, please point it out?

    I heard God is very angry with you bigots and liars.

    I heard that God recognizes all have fallen short of the glory of God and that is why He sent a Savior. Perhaps you’ve heard that as well?

    And Obama reduced the deficit and cut taxes, for 95% of us.

    Oh dear.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  259. “I heard that God recognizes all have fallen short of the glory of God and that is why He sent a Savior. Perhaps you’ve heard that as well?”

    Maybe so. Maybe not.

    And you have no idea either way. Just the other piles of ignorance you peddle.

    Accuse you of lying? OK, here is your chance.

    How much of the stimulus was tax cuts. And what percentage of taxpayers had their taxes lowered?

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  260. Oh, and one more Dana,

    What was the deficit of Bush’s last budget, that’d FY2009.

    And what was the deficit for Obama’s first year, that’d be FY 2010.

    And did Obama lower the deficit? Careful now. It’s Sunday and you go to hell for lying just the same as stealing.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  261. It is aggressively ignorant and very angry and ahtey today, Dana.

    JD (428a42)

  262. How many times do you think you can repeat the same completely debunked line, jharp?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  263. jharp, how is that Bush’s or Obama’s budget? Did they pass the budget? How is this the president’s power?

    Did Obama’s proposals add to the amount of money we spent in 2009? The answer is yes, absolutely. Did democrat policies increase taxes? Absolutely, and particularly for people who aren’t in this top 5%.

    It’s not impressive that you reply to Dana’s kindness to you with ‘you’re going to go to hell’ arguments.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  264. What was the deficit of Bush’s last budget, that’d FY2009.

    According to the Treasury’s Debt to the Penny records, that would be $1.4 trillion, once you take out the $410 billion that Obama added in March 2009.

    And what was the deficit for Obama’s first year, that’d be FY 2010.

    That would be $1.6 trillion, according to the same records.

    And did Obama lower the deficit?

    Nope, not according to the Treasury.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  265. The CBO says that Obama’s stimulus plan alone added billions to the FY 2009 deficit.

    There, I’ve proven jharp to be lying – for what? The hundredth time?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  266. Careful now. It’s Sunday and you go to hell for lying just the same as stealing.

    Better get your asbestos suit on, you lying waste of carbon molecules.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  267. God you people are stupid.

    You can’t cut taxes if none are being paid, dumbass.

    And none of the stimulus was in it, jackass.

    I heard God is very angry with you bigots and liars.

    Get a clue you f*cking dumbass.

    So what? You dumbshit.

    And he cut the deficit, you idiot.

    American teabaggers are the dumbest f*cking people on the planet.

    Bush held hands with and kissed the Saudi prince you jackass.

    Excellent points, all – can we subscribe to your newsletter?

    Does anyone know of any twelve year – olds who live in mansions down by a river?

    Dmac (ad2c6a)

  268. “They did the same thing with women. And black people.”

    jharp – WTF are you talking about pudding head?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  269. jharp, I’m off to go get a pedicure now but did take the time to read through quite a bit of the Treasury Direct link and it appears you are incorrect. I’m certainly no expert in economics but it would appear you are willfully ignoring that President Obama’s actions did in fact impact and increase 2009 spending. If you also took the time to look at evidence (and not agenda), it might give you clarity.

    Here are several other links that are insightful and certainly worth the time to read through:

    Observations on President Obama’s Budget

    Projected Deficits

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  270. jharp – What is the Federal budget for fiscal 2011?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  271. “FY2009 included hundreds of billions new spending not in Bush’s last budget request, like the $410 billion Omnibus Appropriations Act of 2009 and some of the failed “stimulus” bill.”

    Nonsense. FY 2009 was Bush’s budget asshole.

    And none of the stimulus was in it, jackass.

    Do you even know the dates of our fiscal year, jackass?

    God you people are stupid.

    Comment by jharp — 10/31/2010 @ 1:22 pm

    Yes I know exactly what the dates of the FY are. FY2009 started in October 1, 2008 and ended Sept. 30, 2009. Any additional spending in FY 2009 passed by Obama wasn’t Bush’s.

    Calling people names is not a logical argument. You’re all the things you keep calling everyone here and then some, but that has nothing to do with things like budgets, which is simply a matter of factual record, so I generally don’t inject that into the discussion, but in your case it’s tempting.

    BTW, I think it’s time for Patterico once he gets back to reinstate some bans. This site should be limited to the non-pychotic.

    Gerald A (0843ed)

  272. The CBO says that Obama’s stimulus plan alone added billions to the FY 2009 deficit.
    There, I’ve proven jharp to be lying – for what? The hundredth time?
    Comment by SPQR — 10/31/2010 @ 1:51 pm

    Nice: Short, sweet and to the point. Kudos, SPQR. Not that it will make a difference…

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  273. SPQR – jharp will not admit he’s wrong, he’ll just switch to another talking point. He doesn’t have the testicular fortitude to admit that he’s wrong.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  274. daleyrocks, just what part of his junk is involved in repeating a half dozen times a line he knew was fraudulent?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  275. jharp, all the intellect, and half the charm of Levi!

    AD-RtR/OS! (a25a44)

  276. “The CBO says that Obama’s stimulus plan alone added billions to the FY 2009 deficit.”

    “There, I’ve proven jharp to be lying”

    You are hopelessly ignorant. Of course the stimulus added to the deficit. No one is disputing that.

    Still the deficit was less than it was was under Bush. $125 billion less. Obama reduced the deficit.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  277. “He hates fascists of every stripe just like he always did.”

    nishi you ignorant two-digit slut, Charles loves himself some ecofascist AGW types.

    Ur stepping on ur dick all over the place today, hunee. LULZ!!!!!

    daleyrocks (940075)

  278. “Of course the stimulus added to the deficit. No one is disputing that.

    Still the deficit was less than it was was under Bush. $125 billion less. Obama reduced the deficit.”

    jharp – How many moron pills did you take this morning? I think you overdosed.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  279. __________________________________________

    I’ve proven jharp to be lying

    He’s so dishonest and unhinged (and lazy) that he can’t even respond in a way that at least would give his POV and hero (ie, Obama) some credibility. He could have posted this…

    New York Times, October 18, 2010:

    In a troubling sign for Democrats as they head into the midterm elections, their signature tax cut of the past two years, which decreased income taxes by up to $400 a year for individuals and $800 for married couples, has gone largely unnoticed.

    Actually, the tax cut was, by design, hard to notice. Faced with evidence that people were more likely to save than spend the tax rebate checks they received during the Bush administration, the Obama administration decided to take a different tack: it arranged for less tax money to be withheld from people’s paychecks.

    They reasoned that people would be more likely to spend a small, recurring extra bit of money that they might not even notice, and that the quicker the money was spent, the faster it would cycle through the economy.

    Economists are still measuring how stimulative the tax cut was. But the hard-to-notice part has succeeded wildly. In a recent interview, President Obama said that structuring the tax cuts so that a little more money showed up regularly in people’s paychecks “was the right thing to do economically, but politically it meant that nobody knew that they were getting a tax cut.”

    But at least one prominent economist is questioning whether the method really was more effective. Joel B. Slemrod, a professor of economics at the University of Michigan, analyzed consumer surveys after the last rebate checks were sent out in 2008 by the Bush administration, and after this tax cut, called Making Work Pay, went into effect under the Obama administration.

    After the 2008 rebates, he found that about a quarter of the households surveyed said they would use the money primarily to increase their spending. After the Obama tax cut took effect, he said, only 13 percent said they would use the money primarily to increase their spending.

    ^ This hardly makes up for the current White House’s screw ups and defects in general. But unlike all those partisan leftwingers, I’m willing to give credit where credit is due—although I’d say Obama still is like a broken clock that gives the correct time (or a modest tax cut) twice a day.

    But considering how ridiculously bloated the federal budget has gotten under Obama, the least all we poor-slob American taxpayers can get in return is reduced withholding on our incomes. Even more so since the Bush tax cuts are set to vanish beginning on January 1, 2011.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  280. “jharp – What is the Federal budget for fiscal 2011?”

    Look it up you lazy fuck. I don’t know.

    I am sure you’d call me a liar for it anyways. And besides you dumbasses still can’t figure out which deficit is less the $1.291 trillion under Obama or $1.416 trillion under Bush.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  281. jharp, you misrepresent what you wrote and my reply. You compared FY ’09 and FY 10 budgets and fraudulently claimed that FY ’09 was entirely Bush’s budget.

    I showed you to be a fraud. Obama contributed to FY ’09. So you can’t claim that Obama was responsible for reducing a deficit when he added spending to the FY ’09 budget you claim to be comparing to.

    You repeatedly denied that Obama added any spending to FY ’09 and I proved that claim as dishonest as all of your claims.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  282. “They did the same thing with women. And black people.”

    “jharp – WTF are you talking about pudding head?”

    I’m talking about conservatives denying women the right to vote. And fighting tooth and nail to continue to deny them that right.

    And conservatives succeeded from the union and started a war to preserve slavery.

    And conservatives fought like hell against the civil rights act as well.

    That. Is what I’m talking about you ignorant jackass.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  283. And note that jharp is claiming a $125 billion reduction, but CBO’s numbers that I linked to above quoted a $200 billion addition to FY 09 deficit from ARRA alone.

    Further discrediting jharp, if one’s reputation can reach imaginary numbers.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  284. Still the deficit was less than it was was under Bush. $125 billion less. Obama reduced the deficit.

    God you people are stupid.

    Comment by jharp — 10/31/2010 @ 2:09 pm

    Since when is $1.6 trillion in FY 2010 more than $1.4 trillion in FY 2009?

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  285. Oh, that’s right, it IS more.

    Looks like you’ve been caught lying again.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  286. Frankly, jackasses are smarter than you, jharp.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  287. “Obama contributed to FY ’09.”

    No. He didn’t you dumb fuck.

    The numbers I cited were from Bush.

    I know you ignorant rednecks would like to deny that Bush ever happened but it ain’t working among the educated. Sure a few teatards believe, but those dumbasses believe God sent hurricane Katrina to punish the gays.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  288. Well, I always wondered how old jharp was:

    “…And conservatives fought like hell against the civil rights act as well…”

    Um. What were the vote tallies, Republican versus Democrat, on the Civil Rights Act, again?

    But I don’t blame jharp. He is the product of our current educational system, clearly. Too much Jon Stewart, not enough learning.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  289. Since when is $1.6 trillion in FY 2010 more than $1.4 trillion in FY 2009?

    Comment by Another Chris

    Read my post again you fucking dumbass.

    “And besides you dumbasses still can’t figure out which deficit is less the $1.291 trillion under Obama or $1.416 trillion under Bush.”

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  290. “Um. What were the vote tallies, Republican versus Democrat, on the Civil Rights Act, again?”

    I think you’re mixing up “conservatives” with “republican.” Surely you wouldn’t want to make that mistake, would you?

    imdw (7b0243)

  291. “What were the vote tallies, Republican versus Democrat, on the Civil Rights Act, again?”

    Who said anything about democrats versus republicans you fucking dumbass?

    Conservatives, jackass. Conservatives. The racist redneck Dixiecrats were CONSERVATIVES you stupid fuck.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  292. Hey, look how I was addressed by someone who is a tolerant progressive:

    “..But here is a clue you fucking dumbass…”

    Pure eloquence and class, as always. It surely does convince others.

    Hmm. Mr. Jharp seems touchy today. Or should I say Tuesday?

    And it must sting to say things that get proven wrong, and then let ego paint yourself into a corner. Not very mature.

    Run away, jharp. You are just cutting and pasting.

    I forgot about his mansion and travels. What is it with the Walter Mitty Troll Brigade?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  293. For everyone who might not be aware of the actual numbers, here’s what jharp keeps ignoring time after time after time:

    From 1 October 2008 to 30 September 2009, the national debt went from 10.1 trillion to 11.9 trillion. That’s $1.8 trillion in actual deficit; when Obama’s $410 billion addition is removed, that leaves $1.4 trillion in actual deficit. (as opposed to jharp’s and Obama’s wishcasting)

    From 1 October 2009 to 30 September 2010, the national debt went from 11.9 trillion to 13.5 trillion. That’s a $1.6 trillion deficit (as opposed to jharp’s and Obama’s wishcasting).

    For idiots and liars like jharp, in the real world FY 2010 $1.6 trillion > FY 2009 $1.4 trillion.

    A budget is nice, but the actual spending tells the tale and as anyone with a functioning brain can clearly see, Obama increased the deficit last year by $200 billion.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  294. Imdw, I’m not interested in hearing what you have to say, until you answer the question, directly:

    Did you, or did you not, post Patterico’s address and information about his wife, which is why you were moderated?

    Then:

    Did you apologize to Patterico for your actions, or if you didn’t actually post that material, given him adequate proof that it was not you, but someone using your name? Again, adequate to Patterico?

    And if you haven’t done these things, why are you posting?

    As for the Civil Rights Act, you really don’t want to start discussing that, do you? I mean, given the history of the Democratic Party?

    But then, like your common cause pal jharp, you are just posting to try to fight people. Interesting to speculate why.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  295. You are hopelessly ignorant. Of course the stimulus added to the deficit. No one is disputing that.

    Still the deficit was less than it was was under Bush. $125 billion less. Obama reduced the deficit.

    Yes of course, anything Obama added to the deficit was “under Bush”.

    Gerald A (0843ed)

  296. oh I said it wasn’t me.

    “As for the Civil Rights Act, you really don’t want to start discussing that, do you? I mean, given the history of the Democratic Party?”

    What’s the problem here? Conservative dems were against it, and liberal republicans were for it. You think I’m wedded to the dems on this? I’m happy the dixecrats lost.

    imdw (7b0243)

  297. “As for the Civil Rights Act, you really don’t want to start discussing that, do you? I mean, given the history of the Democratic Party?”

    What is there to debate? It is common knowledge the southern democrats were ignorant racist redneck trash.

    Only today they are conservative republicans. Duh!

    Yes sir, that south, the bastion of liberalness, sending all those liberals to Washington these days.

    God you people are stupid.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  298. Somehow being called “stupid” by someone whose dishonesty is so brazen does not hurt my feelings much.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  299. imkdw trotting out his “back in the day, there were a lot more ‘conservative’ Democrats” meme.

    Icy Texan (8ff635)

  300. Another Chris

    The facts. Again.

    FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    In FY2010, the first budget of the Obama Administration, the budget deficit was $1.291 trillion, a decline of $125 billion.

    That would mean, yes Obama cut the deficit.

    Just curious teabaggers, should the war spending, a few hundred billion at the least, all borrowed, count towards Obama or should Bush kinda sorta be to blame?

    Damn you folks are dumb.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  301. ““jharp – What is the Federal budget for fiscal 2011?”

    Look it up you lazy fuck. I don’t know.”

    jharp – The Democrats have been too cowardly to pass one before the midterm elections, moron. You should know that based on your vaunted fiscal expertise displayed in this thread.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  302. FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the final budget deficit was $1.416 trillion and included of spending authorized by Congress in 2009 after Bush left office.

    jharp – FYFY. Just full in the blank.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  303. The facts. Again

    FY2009, which began on September 1, 2008 and represents the Bush Administration’s final budget, the budget deficit was $1.416 trillion.

    Yes we understand, any spending Obama added in FY2009 was actually Bush’s, because it “represents” the Bush Administration’s final budget. The spending wasn’t in the budget he submitted but the spending still “represents” his budget, as though it has his name on it. Perfectly logical.

    As I said I think Pat should ban this foul mouthed 8 year old not only due to gross incivility but obvious mental health issues.

    Gerald A (0843ed)

  304. ________________________________________

    I think you’re mixing up “conservatives” with “republican.”

    And maybe you should try living in the 21st century and defining ideology based on current parameters. IOW, to have been a liberal (or “progressive”) over 50 to 60 years ago was one thing. To be a liberal today is a whole different matter. It’s analogous to being a conservative in the context of the early 1900s.

    Moreover, the phenomenon of leftism (then or now) doesn’t take into consideration things like FDR in the 1930s railing against the wealthy for not wanting to pay their fair share of taxes. Then his having the gall to tell the IRS that a tax increase he signed into law didn’t apply to his upper-income bracket.

    Or leftists during the 1960s anti-war demonstrations telling fellow female travelers at various gatherings that they (and not the guys) should be the ones serving everyone coffee and food—I still recall reading an article about that traditional “conservative” role playing among leftists and snorting.

    As for today, there are a lot of limousine liberals in cities like Los Angeles who, when it comes to displaying more than superficial pro-diversity sentiment, talk the talk, but don’t walk the walk. For example, I’m referring to a nice part of LA that became predominantly black during the 1960s and has remained so today. Even in 2010 a lot of do-gooder leftists (primarily of white background) still avoid moving to that part of the city. They continue to cling to their protected little enclaves like West Los Angeles. Why?

    As for pro-environmentalism in 2010 among liberals like Al Gore?—when carbon dioxide (the stuff we exhale) now is deemed a horrible pollutant!! Don’t get me started.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  305. “should the war spending, a few hundred billion at the least, all borrowed, count towards Obama or should Bush kinda sorta be to blame?”

    jharp – How do you know what money was borrowed, the war spending, the entitlement spending or discretionary spending? I’ve always wondered how liberals can trace those dollars when money is fungible.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  306. fap-fap-fap

    You wingnuts are teh sux!

    fap-fap-fap

    jfap (aefe1c)

  307. The stupid is thick in this one ObiWan.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  308. Funny. The Angry Troll Who Will Lose on Tuesday writes:

    “…southern democrats were ignorant racist redneck trash..”

    Would that include a certain Senator from West Virginia, whom Harry Reid claimed was one of the greatest living Americans (after Byrd was dead, of course)?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  309. Jharp,

    The facts. Again.

    In FY 2009, which began October 1, 2008 (no, the fiscal year does NOT begin on September 1st; gads, you can’t even get this basic fact correct), the national debt was $10.1 trillion. On Sept 30, 2009, it was $11.9 trillion. That equals $1.8 trillion in actual deficit (since this was what was ACTUALLY spent, not what either administration or the CBO said WOULD BE spent. You DO know the difference between “projected” and “actual”, yes?).

    When Obama’s March 2009 $410 billion addition to federal spending was removed, that leaves a deficit of $1.4 trillion.

    In FY 2010, which began October 1, 2009, the national debt was $10.9 trillion, and on September 30, 2010, it was $13.5 trillion. That means there was $1.6 trillion of ACTUAL deficit, as opposed to PROJECTED deficit(i.e., “a figure made up out of thin air based on certain assumed factors”)

    You can spin all you want, but the fact remains that even from a best-case scenario, Obama spent $200 billion more in FY 2010 than Bush did in FY 2009.

    I can say I’m only going to spend $50 less this week than I did last week, but it’s absolutely retarded to then claim I saved $50 when I spent $200 more than I did the previous week.

    Math clearly is not your strong suit.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  310. I’m thinking that life on the Mansion doth not agree with the ATWWLOT.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  311. I guess Charles Hohnson drank the Obama Kool-aide and has been trying to live it down. There’s no such thing as going home again, Charlie!

    The Last Tradition

    samuel gonzalez (996c34)

  312. Note Jharp has drastically changes his figures for war spending. But indeed, Obama promised warfare in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Why wouldn’t you hold him accountable?

    Indeed, liberal pundits in 2008 said higher spending on Obama programs was mandated by Obama’s spendy promises. Now they want to pretend that’s not the case at all.

    However you slice it… even if you want to blame Bush for Pelosi’s area of responsibility, the people are demanding less spending, tax cuts, and no Obamacare, and that’s what we’re going to get.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  313. Say, Icy? What is that expression in Texas for someone who talks big but lives small?

    All hat and no cattle?

    Sounds like some trolls, doesn’t it?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  314. Eric – He’s always been an angry troll.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  315. Yes, but why, daley?

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  316. Just curious teabaggers, should the war spending, a few hundred billion at the least, all borrowed, count towards Obama or should Bush kinda sorta be to blame?

    Why would Bush be to blame for all of it? Obama could have pulled every single troop out of the Middle East the day he came into office. Those bases are owned by the host countries, and Congress never actually declared war, so it’s not like they could have forbidden him to do so.

    Sure, it would have been a huge PR hit, but if he had said, “Sorry, we are broke and simply can’t afford to keep spending money in these conflicts; we will redploy our troops to the states and work on shoring up our security measures at home,” ultimately he may have even come out ahead.

    Another Chris (2e9afa)

  317. jheap is nothing but “spectacular”, just ask it!

    jfap (aefe1c)

  318. We’re going a far afield, Johnson tried to pull off
    a ‘Comrade Ogilvy’ moment, pretending the left has as much bench strength as they had in 2008, which they clearly don’t

    ian cormac (c07a45)

  319. The most interesting thing about the tough – talkin’ keyboard blowhards like Harptard is that they’d never in a million years talk like that to anyone directly to their faces. Harpy would get to about five words in my hood before he’d be beaten to a pulp – and I’m in the north side of Chicago, aka Obamaland.

    Funny thing about this election – I have yet to see one sign for any of the Dem candidates here, except for a former Dem who’s running as an independent reformer against the machine. BTW, Obama’s big hoo – ha tonight for his bestest mob banker buddy is about half sold – out; nice showing in his own home state.

    Dmac (ad2c6a)

  320. It’s Halloween. He may have to skip out early to take his daughters to the apple dunking contest.

    jfap (aefe1c)

  321. Yes, but why, daley?

    Comment by Eric Blair

    I have to assume he thinks it’s funny. It’s hard to imagine he’s really Howard Dean level angry just because we’re talking about politics.

    But I guess I’m limited in my understanding of this kind of anger.

    I’ve seen a few Bill White signs, but that’s it. Until I realized White was a sanctuary city mayor bashing Perry for ‘not generating federal aid for the border’, I didn’t think White was all that bad.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  322. Fact – the CBO says that Obama’s ARRA stimulus alone added more than 200 billion to the FY ’09 deficit.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  323. Yep, SPQR, and it’s much worse than FY2009 now. Our FY2010 deficit is 19.1% worse.

    Obama’s policies, such as Obamacare, have created instability. Not only are we spending 7.5% more, but we’re taking in less revenue. We simply can’t afford another year like 2010, by far the worst ever.

    A tax cut would increase revenue, get more jobs out there, but must be accompanied by massive spending cuts and hopefully a shutdown of several government departments.

    I’m sure a few Republicans are hoping Tea Partiers see Jharp style insanity… actually defending current spending levels, and accept failure from the GOP instead of massive failure. But that won’t work.

    I’m sickened by those who rely on off-budget expenses more than double the GOP House’s average deficit as some kind of justification for what Obama and Reid and Pelosi have done to our future.

    When Social Security gets cut, the GOP might be blamed, but it’s because of this reckless Cloward Pivens spending. The entire Alinsky method is based on the electorate being stupid… but it’s the information age and we realize what’s happening all too well.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  324. Dustin,
    Your hero Beck in fact smoked pot every day for 15 years from the age of 16. It is documented, he admited it. He claims he was in therapy with “Dr. Jack Daniels.” As the asshole he is, he fired an underling for bringing him the wrong pen. And, he once called the wife of a radio rival to ridicule her — on the air — about her recent miscarriage. This all is documented. And now, do what wingnuts do best, go in denial and attack these reports from the ‘liberal media’ because of these inconvenient fact.

    The difference between Beck and Obama is that Obama tried drugs but was never an adict. While Beck was an alcoholic pot smoker, Obama was working his way through Harvard Law.

    I love the comparison.

    w (0e8cd6)

  325. Here is an actual photo of the rally. Compare with the one published above. Just FYI.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021284-503544.html

    Keena (79e279)

  326. Keena, that photo’s angle makes it useless for comparison.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  327. _____________________________________

    The difference between Beck and Obama

    …is that the former, acknowledging the concept of “we’re all born sinners,” admits to his failings. That’s akin to a person admitting when he’s screwed up. Or the type of statement so uncommon in this era of self-esteem, self-entitlement and shamelessness run amok. Or this era of Clintonian type of parsing of words and meanings—or a sort of ambulance-chasing, no-fault-I’m-a-leftist behavior, in general.

    “You get to a place where you disgust yourself,” Beck told me. “Where you realize what a weak, pathetic and despicable person you have become.”

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  328. “Keena, that photo’s angle makes it useless for comparison.”

    You can compare it to the pic above, and note that it shows areas filled in.

    imdw (603c39)

  329. “The difference between Beck and Obama”

    You idiots are unbelievable.

    Obama is the leader of the free world. Arguably the most powerful man on the earth.

    And Beck is a two bit cable TV radio host, alcoholic, religious crackpot who believes the garden of Eden was in Missouri who is nothing but a profiteer off of you ignorant racist rednecks.

    You people are fucking morons. The whole lot of you. You should be ashamed.

    You deserve to be poor.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  330. @ Comment by w — 10/31/2010 @ 3:37 pm,

    Your hero Beck in fact smoked pot every day for 15 years from the age of 16. It is documented, he admited it. He claims he was in therapy with “Dr. Jack Daniels.” As the asshole he is, he fired an underling for bringing him the wrong pen. And, he once called the wife of a radio rival to ridicule her — on the air — about her recent miscarriage. This all is documented. And now, do what wingnuts do best, go in denial and attack these reports from the ‘liberal media’ because of these inconvenient fact.

    This is misleading in the way you present this. In it’s full context, when he did the awful stuff like firing someone for bringing him the wrong pen and ridiculing a rival’s wife on-air was part and parcel of the bad behavior that brought him to the point of recognizing what he had become and as Mark in #326 quotes, “You get to a place where you disgust yourself,” Beck told me. “Where you realize what a weak, pathetic and despicable person you have become.”

    Here is the full text:

    He was in therapy with “Dr. Jack Daniels.” He smoked marijuana every day for about 15 years. He fired an underling for bringing him the wrong pen. And, according to a Salon.com report, he once called the wife of a radio rival to ridicule her — on the air — about her recent miscarriage.

    “You get to a place where you disgust yourself,” Beck told me. “Where you realize what a weak, pathetic and despicable person you have become.”

    Chronology is so important.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  331. keena, I think you help show us what propaganda is like. I compare your pic and it doesn’t appear to contradict anything. If it matters to you, w’s boogeyman Beck had a much more successful rally.

    So Beck drank and smoked pot. He abused these drugs and disgusted himself and recovered.

    Obama drank, smoked pot, and was either a Junkie on on the way there. And Obama’s president, whereas Beck is in showbiz.

    See where I’m going with this? Obama hides his smoking, and who knows what else. If he’s an addict, whoever provides his drug has too much power. It’s interesting that people bashing Beck for less abuse would even consider supporting Obama for the US Presidency.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  332. There is an excellent post on the “event” at the nation’s mall at PJMedia.
    So, How Much Sanity Was There in D.C. Yesterday?
    It not only includes all the CBS photos, but it actually uses…*gasp*…science to estimate the crowd. It also mentions that the group used to estimate both the Beck rally and the insane rally are one and the same, and would not give any clear response to the person writing the article.

    As for Chuckie, I must disagree, his last semblance of credibility was completely destroyed, burned and the ashes scattered after he attacked all in the counter-jihad movement, such as Gates of Vienna, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller.
    Chuckie’s relevance in the post 9-11 era lasted until longer than his sanity, due to so many outstanding people who commented and gathered at his blog.
    Unlike Chuckie, I have retained the friendships of many of the old posters there, all this time.

    no2liberals (1d575f)

  333. #333
    pimf=and they would not
    pimf=lasted until longer than his sanity

    no2liberals (1d575f)

  334. Maggie’s quotes a rally attendee:

    “Socialism is cool, dude. Look at France, everything is free. Free doctors, great unemployment benefits, free housing, great food. You can retire early. It works, man. The government pays, and the people have the good life.”

    Apparently the uber-hipster hasn’t been to Marseilles or Naples lately.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  335. Dustin

    well, with the cigs and obama thing, you know maybe he just likes it. I don’t resent that. its a free country (for now at least).

    But then again, once Obamacare is in full effect, all the vices we have become a matter of public concern. Its the end of privacy, which is why I think Kennedy will vote to strike it down. if obamacare stands, then lawrence is called into question. those private choices no longer only affect the individuals in question. and kennedy loves what he did in lawrence too much to see it go down.

    which is a sh-tty reason to strike down obamacare, but i will take what i can get.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  336. Oh, good Allah. William Yelverton is a gender bending midget hilljack racist who is scared of brown people that can spell and plagiarizes as a matter of practice.

    JD (04ebf2)

  337. You dumbasses don’t even know what socialism is.

    How about it, our National Parks, a republican endeavor? Is that Socialism?

    Or our interstate highway system, another unconstitutional republican socialist plot?

    Please. Ban me. I’m not sure I can take another day of you imbeciles.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  338. @ Dustin — How am I showing what propaganda is like?

    Keena (79e279)

  339. Jharpie is like brokeback mountain, he just can’t quit us. Plus, he is a pig ignert goat buggerer that cannot or will not understand that he is using intentionally dishonest numbers, since the “stimulus” and omnibus spending passed early under Baracky negatively effected the budget he claims to have cared about. And just so we are clear, he doesn’t care about it, or he would have been appalled at the “stimulus”, BarckyCare, etc …

    JD (04ebf2)

  340. “Oh, good Allah. William Yelverton is a gender bending midget hilljack racist who is scared of brown people that can spell and plagiarizes as a matter of practice.”

    Gender bending huh?

    imdw (017d51)

  341. jharp,

    You just continue to get more frustrated by the moment with our collective stupidity and yet you keep coming back – without ever responding to the facts presented you that disprove much of what you claim. In fact, one might even believe you don’t really care about facts.

    Wouldn’t it be far less stressful if you stepped away from the keyboard and actually read some of the comments and links that have clearly refuted your claims? I’m getting concerned you’re going to do irrevocable harm to yourself somehow and end up as imbecilic as us. And gosh, what a loss that would be.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  342. Please. Ban me.

    Why on earth would a conservative ban you. If you didn’t exist we’d have to make you up.

    But obviously you are trying to get banned, apparently in order to whine about censorship. When you have to beg to be banned, being nasty to nice people, the holy martyr routine doesn’t really have that same punch anymore.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  343. Gender bending huh?

    Comment by imdw

    Yeah, some trolls pretend to be girls and then boys and then girls.

    Not really much compared to laughing at child rape, so I’m sure you don’t give w props. Me neither.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  344. “You(jharp) just continue to get more frustrated by the moment with our collective stupidity and yet you keep coming back”

    I also can’t keep my eyes away from horrific traffic accidents whilst I drive past.

    It’s not frustration.

    It’s a morbid curiosity. Dumbass.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  345. FY-2009…
    Another aspect of this that distorts reality is that the Pelosi/Reid Congress only sent to Bush for his signature bills related to National Security, and other non-discretionary spending.
    The Discretionary Spending appropriations were not passed until after Teh Won’s inaugaration
    (spending from 1-Oct to 20-Jan was handled on a continuing resolution from the baseline created in the FY-2008 appropriations).
    This was done since the WH had told Congress that any increase in discretionary spending over ’08 figures would be vetoed by the President.
    So, they passed a Supplemental, Comprehensive Appropriation of around $800B (or more) when Bush was gone, and the O-Man signed it.
    There are several hundred Billion$ of deficit in that one bill.

    AD-RtR/OS! (a25a44)

  346. Jharp: you are the ugliest, most pathetic excuse for a lefty I have ever run across.
    You imagine that when someone is voted as president, as long as he is a lefty like you he is “powerful”. Obama’s only power is deciding his next vacation and ramming legislations that folks don’t want down their throats.

    You imagine that quadrupling spending and then cutting is a bit, is .. well amazing..as long as he is a leftard, like yourself. I swear you are like my niece that thinks that 15 and 7 equals 17 or some new math like that.

    You are poor, and you are pathetic. The really sad part is that someday you will see yourself as you are, and you will disgust yourself as you do now for anyone honest and wanting freedom.

    How in your evil little mind, do you think your behavior here is going to persuade me to want to be like you?? YOU make me ill. You and your leftist crap new math, that makes evil good and good evil.
    Your man WAS an admitted coke-head. He is a narcissistic player that doesn’t even like being president when he figured out he couldn’t just keep running for president as his job, but was expected to DO something.
    Please.. you are the one with no logic, no people skills and NO ability for debate.
    I read this whole thread and the context of your whole argument was to call others what you see in the mirror.
    Grow up little boy. Good is not Evil and your evil is not good. Your new math will NOT improve the horrendous bottom line that was bad enough with bush but now catastrophically horrid now with you libtards in charge. You can sing your lies over and over again, but there is no saving in your messiah’s budget. He has perhaps made it impossible for us to come out the other end whole.
    But for pity sake, quit lying.

    Noelie (257d26)

  347. “Why on earth would a conservative ban you.”

    Ask your the owner of this blog dumbass. I’ve been banned here several times.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  348. Has he defended Dan Rather yet? It’s only a matter of time.

    Jim Treacher (e041de)

  349. @ Dustin — How am I showing what propaganda is like?

    Comment by Keena

    You showed a picture framed in such a way to show high participation, to refute a more accurate measure. CBS has long altered the facts for this kind of silly reason.

    That’s what propaganda is. What CBS did in the 2004 election was pure partisan propaganda. I don’t really think the silly crowd measuring matters, but your picture didn’t contradict what you suggested it did. It’s a bad argument, specifically selected by CBS for propaganda value. CBS makes Fox News look like pure unfiltered truth (which it isn’t, but oh well).

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  350. Ask your the owner of this blog dumbass. I’ve been banned here several times.

    Comment by jharp

    And yet here you are, calling me a dumbass idiot liar who will descend to hell any minute now.

    Help! Help! You’re being repressed!

    And holy crap, is that JTLOL? Wow… it’s like a celebrity sighting. Hope your busted knee is healing.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  351. Comment by Noelie

    Please. Get yourself educated. Learn how to communicate. The paragraph is your friend.

    Dam you folks are dumb.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  352. Jharpie – are you unwilling or unable to acknowledge that Barcky is responsible for literally billions in that budget figure you are using, the one that is so horrible?

    JD (a30317)

  353. jharp,

    You fully and wholly represent why I dislike the left so much. You have foremost been very dishonest, lacking any desire to actually discuss and analyze an issue with any integrity, harp on the acceptable left mantras re various issues (okay, now I get your handle), rude, insolent, childish, very self-indulgent while disappointingly incurious, and willfully ignore evidence before you.

    It’s not a representation of anything I could remotely respect or admire. You do harm to those on the left who are mature enough to actually engage in civil and honest discourse. Because too often (as you have exampled repeatedly here), many people generalize, paint with the broadbrush and lump all people into one category, leaving no individuals. Therefore if I play your game, I would assume *all* leftists are like you.

    You’ve made clearly disproved statements re the Obama’s budget, blacks & minorities, conservatives, and continue to claim no one here knows anything at all.

    You seem very lonely.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  354. Dam you folks are dumb.

    Comment by jharp

    Noelie’s paragraphs were not particularly long. Her longest one too like 5-10 seconds to read.

    She coherently explained your problem, too. Which is why you hate her so much. You know you’re twisting the truth for some stupid partisan reason. Isn’t your country worth more integrity?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  355. Caught lying, jharp continues to call others “idiots”.

    That is nuclear fusion level projection.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  356. BrokeSack Harpie just can’t quit us.

    Dustin – jharpie couldn’t spell integrity.

    JD (ffe6ea)

  357. Please. Get yourself educated. Learn how to communicate. The paragraph is your friend.

    Dam you folks are dumb.

    Comment by jharp — 10/31/2010 @ 4:43 pm

    This one post is beyond hilarious. What.an.asshat.

    Dmac (ad2c6a)

  358. You seem very lonely.

    Not as long as Harpy’s got his bottle of Jergens by his side.

    Dmac (ad2c6a)

  359. Noelie’s paragraphs were not particularly long. Her longest one too like 5-10 seconds to read.

    She coherently explained your problem, too. Which is why you hate her so much.

    Comment by Dustin

    Dustin, please.

    I don’t hate anyone. And for you to accuse me of hating someone because they write like a 6th grader is preposterous.

    And the length of Noelies stupidity has nothing to do with using the paragraph properly.

    Nothing personal but you are as fucking stupid as Noelie.

    jharp (3bd2a1)

  360. @ Dustin

    It’s funny. I read the exchange above:

    #

    ….
    Even a moron would notice the difference in crowd size. Beck’s crowd is close to double the size of The Libtard Central crowd. But not the common LIBTARD. When faced with an actual picture, the garden variety Libtard lies anyway. It’s pathetic.

    Comment by gus — 10/31/2010 @ 8:31 am
    #

    AirPhotosLive.com does crowd estimates for the Pentagon as welll. I think think you should attack the Pentagon too.

    Comment by no comparison — 10/31/2010 @ 8:41 am
    #

    no comp

    So your argument is… trust the government, not your lying eyes?

    =====

    And now you’re saying I can’t trust my lying eyes either? Seems like you want to have it both ways. As someone has noted above, the two rallies were held in different areas so the photo is not meant to be compared with the Beck rally or to prove anything, it’s just a more accurate representation of yesterday’s crowd. It’s got nuthin’ to do with Mr. Beck.

    Keena (79e279)

  361. Then you are missing the entire point, Keena.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  362. By the way — I didn’t mean to imply that Dustin wrote or participated in the exchange I quoted — by “you” I meant commenters on the thread in general.

    Keena (79e279)

  363. Please do tell me what the entire point is.

    Keena (79e279)

  364. Keena, the picture you showed looks like a bunch of folks, and yet I could show you pictures like that from rallies bigger and smaller than the Restoring Honor rally. It’s not a reasonable metric.

    But hey, I don’t really care. Stewart drew a massive crowd of democrats. Good for him. Beck drew quite a few more, and while this is interesting, we all know when the true count is… that’s Tuesday.

    This obsession over beating the Honor rally is propaganda. That’s what CBS is up to. As far as I’m concerned, you’re just noting their argument… it’s one I think is interesting, but perhaps for different reasons.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  365. I didn’t mean to imply that Dustin wrote or participated in the exchange

    Yeah, I’m not really worried about it. It’s a democrat rally in DC. I expected way more than came out, but I guess it’s no surprise that didn’t happen.

    The more people who came here weren’t doing GOTV. These youngins have limited time and money for politics, and it’s good news for dems that the rally didn’t bring more (but bad news that it did pretty well).

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  366. Dam you folks are dumb.
    Comment by jharp

    No greater praise would be possible from this commenter.

    AD-RtR/OS! (a25a44)

  367. @ Comment by Noelie — 10/31/2010 @ 4:39 pm,

    I just saw this – well said. (I didn’t have a problem w/your paragraphing or lack thereof… must be my conserva-superpowers compensating.)

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  368. There were at least 215,000 because that many RSVP’d. It is true. And jharp lies. And the trollz sure are agitated.

    Dustin – midw has used multiple names and identities to try to get around being banned.

    JD (fc59fb)

  369. Keena

    > And now you’re saying I can’t trust my lying eyes either?

    No, you are misunderstanding. It’s a reference to an old cliché: “which are you going to believe, me or your lying eyes.” The person saying it is dishonestly trying to make you disbelieve what you can plainly see. So referencing that phrase is a sarcastic way of saying, “sorry, I am going to believe my own eyes on this one.” Here’s a good example of the cliché, suggesting its origins:

    > You’ve probably seen the cartoon where a woman comes home and finds her husband in bed with another woman? The man looks up and says “No, I’m not cheating!” and follows that up with his favorite Groucho Marx line: “Who are you going to believe? Me or your lying eyes?”

    http://www.redstate.com/imperfectamerica/2010/03/14/america-who-are-you-going-to-believe-me-or-your-lying-eyes/

    The husband in that example is a BSer, obviously. And I am calling BS anyone who claims that the Beck rally was smaller.

    Mind you, if you read the post carefully, I never try to guess how large either rally is. But I can figure out which is bigger, and that is Beck’s.

    And we have been through this before. When Schultz had his rally, he played hide the photo, too. At one point, the rally website carried a picture of the Martin Luther King “I have a dream rally” without labeling it as such, until they were called on it.

    And its all so stupid, anyway. As I wrote at my own blog once:

    And all of this is silly anyway. Demonstration is the right of the people, but honestly I have been to like one demonstration in my whole life. Oh, right, two. I forgot about the time I participated in a walkout because my school eliminated spring break due to Hurricane Hugo. How many of you ever protested anything, as in a demonstration? Not many, I believe. I mean let’s take the larger estimate of Beck’s crowd: 300K. Okay well there are 300 million people in the United States, so basically Beck’s rally represented about 0.1% of the American population. And Fast Eddie [Schultz]’s represented like 0.05% of it, probably less.

    http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/10/crowd-size-doesnt-matter-but-msnbc.html

    0.1% of the pop? That’s not even the margin of error in a close election. The whole thing is silly. But truth is truth.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  370. JD

    They are agitated because they are coming from LGF.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  371. They are agitated because they are coming from LGF.

    How did I miss this obvious reason?

    Oh yeah, because it’s been months since anyone paid attention to LGF, and I forgot.

    You have to be really intolerant of other POVs to actually enjoy LGF’s atmosphere. It’s like DU… it’s where you go to make weak arguments because you just can’t withstand a real argument.

    No wonder Jharp argues like that. That’s the best he can do. Awwww.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  372. I’m a little late to the party, but keep this handy for future reference when dealing with LGF:

    LGF Memory Hole Mosaic

    Also, CJ recently blocked the wayback machine from his site.

    ChenZhen (736c6f)

  373. Jharpie and william yelverton are not from lgf. They are aggressively stooooopid all on their own.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  374. NAACP was founded by two black Republican women. It was later co-opted by leftist nutjobs.

    KKK was created as the terrorist arm of the Democrat Party.

    Democrats fought all Civil Rights Acts and Constitutional amendments aimed at giving blacks equal rights tooth-and-nail.

    Dixiecrats were created out of southern Democrats, the vast majority of them returning to the Democrat Party.

    Algore’s daddy, Algore Sr was one of the Democrats fighting against black equality, as was Robert Byrd.

    Histofacts are the darndest things. They prove with regularity the leftists are liars.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  375. chen

    i noticed that, if you are referring to google caches.

    but this is how you defeat that. first, you know the cache trick, right. You type “cache:” and then immediately after that, no space, the address you want to see. it goes normally straight into the cache. and for a second, Johnson’s does, too, and then you are redirected.

    So in that second, hit the print screen button.

    Bam, you now have a screen shot of the cache before it diverts.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  376. Damn you folks are dumb.

    Comment by jharp

    Here is the leftist anger that is going to get worse in the next week. Nina Totenberg is afraid. They don’t know what the people could do without the leftist self anointed elite. This comment thread is interesting in that it reveals the irrational reaction of the left to the people.

    Vote fraud is their last hope.

    Mike K (568408)

  377. Keena, I have no idea whether you are a moron or a Libtard or not.

    Look at the pictures. The Beck crowd is twice the Steward libtard Central crowd.

    A moron would see that. Unles he was dishonest

    gus (3c4587)

  378. Dustin

    > because it’s been months since anyone paid attention to LGF, and I forgot.

    Actually this is how it evolved. i was watching the site to see if he would actually say anything about Yusuf Islam, or whether that would screw up “teh narrative” too much for him. then i saw him lying about the crowd size, which at first i thought “typical.” then i remembered how hypocritical that was to push CBS’s bull over what you can see with your own two eyes, and a post was born.

    So i posted and it got enough attention to be really heavily featured on memeorandum and others, and then at some point he learned of it (probably googles his name daily), and voila, we get a trollstorm.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  379. and wow, almost 400 comments on a sunday. wow.

    Aaron Worthing (f97997)

  380. Comment by jharp — 10/31/2010 @ 6:17 pm

    Heh. Mike K, that irrational reaction of the left to the people, why, it’s almost Pavlovian.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  381. “probably googles his name daily”

    Prolly.

    What a pathetic guy. It’s just surprising after I’ve long forgotten LGF. I gave up on them when Killgore Trout started using the N word to describe black people, and Charles Johnson pointedly found that useful.

    It’s a very good thing there are places like Democratic Underground and LGF for those who are compelled to scream about something and can’t tolerate disagreement. Let them have their little corner of the internet to lie about stupid stuff. If you want to poke them with the truth once in a while, be my guest.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  382. I wonder about most liberals i.q.s.
    The picture of the 2 rallies is obvious.
    The TARD rally has a more close up pic and is still half the size of the Beck rally

    gus (3c4587)

  383. Voter fraud is virtually non existent.

    It’s hilarious how they flop from fainting over Diebold to insisting we not clean up elections.

    How many precints will report more votes than voters?

    It happens all across the country, and it sure as hell doesn’t happen on accident. In my opinion, you are a traitor if you abide this.

    How many felons vote for Sen Franken? 11,000 voted, but how many for the democrat? The answer is: it doesn’t matter, because vote fraud is intolerable. It is a huge problem, too. Fix it, or make jharp a very happy kid.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  384. Jharpie gets more and more unglued as the day gets older.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  385. So…tell me again the value of letting angry nasty people like jharp post?

    Other than the fact he will be insane by Wednesday?

    Speaking of slow motion car wrecks.

    Eric Blair (45b68f)

  386. Anybody know if harpie is related to Joy Behar, another fat loudmouthed dumba*s liberal fu*k.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  387. Dana, please fix your link. Thank you!

    reff (176333)

  388. Thank you!

    reff who loves the lovely Dana! (176333)

  389. GAME OVER

    w (0e8cd6)

  390. I’m late to the party as usual and just finished reading this whole thing. Wow, just wow! Come Wednesday morning, Jharp will have the men in white with strait jackets coming after him. He’s gone totally around the bend. To be fair, he didn’t discriminate against anyone in his name calling.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  391. Congrats on not plagiarizing, Yelverton. As many have said, somehow turnout at one event seems to mean something to you. Congrats, you can have a successful event. We get the House. Game over, beeyotch. How many names have you posted under? How many genders?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  392. Professor Yelverton’s “game over” comment makes me uninterested in clicking his link. Probably more Zamfir of the Panpipes videos.

    But “Game Over” for Professor Yelverton will be Wednesday morning. A hearty breakfast of crow will be waiting.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  393. Don’t pay attention to Professor Yelverton. His diet of nuts has done something to his brain.

    That and his daily snorting of aspartame.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  394. It is not panpipes, he plays the skin flute.

    Yelverton – would you prefer to be addressed as Willie or Pam today?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  395. Wow, 393 posts.

    The funniest thing to me, in any political season, is the recurring Democrat allegation that the Republicans are fixing votes.

    It’s funny to me, because Republicans have never had any kind of mechanism to actually get people to vote. They’ve always depended on independents to break their way.

    Sure, the GOP candidates get a lot of money, but so do the Dems. How many people actually vote based on the stupid TV advertisements by both parties, though?

    Democrats always have the unions, the local machine, the poor and disenfranchised and the youth vote to make sure their party wins. Democrats are masters at the GOTV game. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever seen a cemetery to break Republican?

    On a level playing field, I greatly suspect there would not be a Democrat Party in the United States today.

    I’m not saying that’s a good thing. It simply is what it is.

    Ag80 (743fd1)

  396. I’m finding this little ‘we beat Beck’ thing to be absolutely hilarious. It wasn’t even Beck’s rally so much as a rally Beck was a part of.

    These guys, Palin, Beck, Rush… they live rent free in the heads of people who hate them. I guess Rove and Bush were getting lonely?

    I wouldn’t even care if the ‘Sanity’ rally was more popular. It’s democrats in a democrat city enjoying a free concert.

    I see that from the start, the democrat’s goal was to beat the Honor rally. Why? Did you guys not know there was an election going on right now?

    Compare W’s pic to the actual pic of Stewart attenders. It’s hilarious how dishonest W’s being. Why? Is this worth firing up MSpaint, fist shaking in the air, to ‘get Beck’? Every time you idiots scream his name you make him more relevant and powerful. Like Palin, these guys are completely made by the left shrieking in horror.

    Latest likely vote models are really starting to turn even worse for the democrats, probably because you idiots can’t help the angry lying.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  397. It is who they are, Dustin.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  398. Well lets be blunt the GOP has won 7 of the last 10 elections, because at it’s core, it’s patriotic, law abiding, bourgeois, for lack of a better term, and that rankles

    ian cormac (c07a45)

  399. It is who they are, Dustin.

    Comment by JD

    I probably shouldn’t feel sorry for them, but it’s going to be a bad week for these guys. They have set up Beck as some kind of leader of this movement that will crush their entire agenda… when that is overstating things ridiculously.

    I’m sure half the conservative pundits out there are wishing on every shooting star they see that they could get that kind of attention from the left. These idiots just made another Rush Limbaugh.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  400. Today has been an object lesson in JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls, and the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  401. Ok, JD….or should I say Gibbs….what are your rules???

    reff (176333)

  402. Gibbs? Why do you hate me?

    JD (c8c1d2)

  403. Dustin – I don’t know, the recreation crack users I know don’t seem like terribly happy or functional people to me. Maybe the FDA should set a daily suggested rock limit if we legalize it.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  404. recreational

    daleyrocks (940075)

  405. Dustin – I actually don’t agree with that study,and have seen others like it, usually advanced within the context of legalizing marijuana. My point was more general,an addict is an addict. No one is any better or any worse than the others. An alcoholic is no better character than someone doing a line of coke, or dropping a tab, or chewing on some shrooms, or tweaking on meth.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  406. I honestly just don’t know. Those drugs scare the living hell out of me, and have ever since I saw my first addict.

    Want to keep your kids off drugs? Come to Thanksgiving at my place.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  407. But I usually have whiskey in my coffee (am totally not kidding). And I developed a bottle per week habit at one point in my life. So I’m probably the most flaming hypocrite on drugs in the universe.

    Definitely not trying to gin up sympathy here. I’m probably the happiest guy on the planet.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  408. Today has been an object lesson in JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls, and the 2nd Restatement of JD’s 1st Rule of Trolls.

    I really don’t understand why people respond to these clowns. It isn’t as though you’re ever going to change their so-called minds.

    It’s like the old adage about mud-wrestling with a pig: It wastes your time, you end up covered in mud, the pig enjoys it … and even if you win, the only reward you get is that you can say you won a mud-wrestling match with a pig.

    Murgatroyd (fd5fcd)

  409. I have won at least 6 metaphorical mud wrestling matches with metaphorical pigs.

    I don’t know why I respond to them either.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  410. Murgatroyd,

    I understand your point, but for me its a matter of curiosity: Why such immense angst and irrationality – even when things are going their way (House, Senate, WH)? There’s rarely any joy or pride exhibited in the current condition but rather a dissatisfaction fraught with anger which inevitably morphs into ugly outbursts and emotional fits of pique toward any who disagree or question them.

    One imagines they must be equally as unhappy or discontent within their personal lives as well…

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  411. JD…my apologies…the “Gibbs” reference was to Leroy Jethroe Gibbs of NCIS fame….his “rules”

    reff (176333)

  412. I thought you meant Robert. Jethro is a compliment, thank you.

    I will paraphrase for you. #1 – trolls activity increases/decreases in inverse proportion to how the Dems are doing. #2 – trolls tell us what the Dems want to talk about,and what they don’t want to talk about, by where they focus their asshattery, and what they focus on.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  413. I sincerely accept the appropriate “head slap” from you….

    Racist!!!

    reff (176333)

  414. That goes without saying. Plus, jharpieestablished that anyone that disagrees with him is a racist.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  415. I mean, seriously, has anyone ever seen a cemetery to break Republican?

    I believe it used to happen, back in the ’60s and earlier. But the left has now monopolized the election-fraud industry; there hasn’t been any serious R fraud reported in the last 30 years at least.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  416. Haw! Haw! Haw! Man listen to you far out space nuts! Hey, if you didn’t make it to the rally then go to Huffpo to check out the signs. Some were really really funny! My Fave was the person dressed as Skeletor holding up the sign of He-man with a Hitler mustache. It says “Socialist” underneath. Awesome.

    EdWood (b0937d)

  417. Man, check out that photoshop job. Very subtle.

    Keddren (8f8563)

  418. I wish jharp and the other leapin’ lizards would come back to LGF and give me a blow job.

    Charle's johnson (dc2516)

  419. EdWood, my favorite was the NAMBLA dude who was fully supportive of the insanity rally. The communist recruiter came a close second. That’s a good representation of what you moonbats consider moderate.

    John Hitchcock (9e8ad9)

  420. 314. Say, Icy? What is that expression in Texas for someone who talks big but lives small?
    All hat and no cattle?
    Sounds like some trolls, doesn’t it?

    Comment by Eric Blair — 10/31/2010 @ 3:03 pm

    — “An empty bucket makes the most racket.”
    — “He’s trying to throw a wide loop with a short rope.”
    — “If you put his brains in a bumblebee, he would fly backwards.”
    — “He’s studyin’ to be a half-wit, and I’m afraid he ain’t gonna make it.”
    And especially relevant to jharp’s Tourette’s-filled rants:
    — “Figures never lie, but liars can figure.”
    Go figure.

    Icy Texan (418062)

  421. Reminds me of that great book, “Texas Crude.”

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  422. John

    But nothing beats welcoming a man on stage who called for the death of salman rushdie for defaming islam.

    I mean honestly, maybe they were conservatives punking the rally. i wouldn’t put it past them with characters like O’Keefe running around. so then you would have to ask, okay, so how did people react to that sign? did they try to get them to leave? etc.

    But putting an islamofascist on stage? can’t be explained away.

    Btw, this is the sum of everything Johnson has said on the subject of having an islamofascist at a rally to restore “sanity.” Here you go this is all of it:

    [crickets chirping]

    Ah, never mind.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  423. The tone of this post and the thread that follow are exactly what the rally was about. Not that the groupies here will possibly understand that…

    Kman (d25c82)

  424. See you on Tuesday, Kman.

    Also, you do indeed show smugness of those folks. Good luck with that.

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  425. Hush, stalker. Unless you are banging on your fellow leftists who really showed their asses in this thread.

    JD (ffe6ea)

  426. JD, I missed that this character was stalker. He’ll be drunk on Wednesday!

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  427. Eric – kmart is a sophist that follows AW around from site to site.

    JD (6ca166)

  428. Eeewwww….

    Eric Blair (dcced2)

  429. JD:

    kmart is a sophist that follows AW around from site to site.

    Also, I’m a mendacious dissembler, too. Everyone who is left of JD — which is 90% of the country — is a sophist mendacious dissembler.

    Kman (d25c82)

  430. jharp also never had the balls to admit he was wrong on his position on “Bush’s” fiscal 2009 budget, did he?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  431. Nope, not even remotely true. You have no clue what I believe, or why. You argue against caricatures. Tell us, kmart, do you think it was William Yelverton’s plagiarizing and lies that made this thread go bad? Jharpie’s hate fest? The Charles Johnson sycophants? Where did this go wrong, in your so very humble and informed opinion?

    JD (9bc648)

  432. Professor Yelverton:

    Remember this?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyH8FyzswwY

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  433. The tone of this post and the thread that follow are exactly what the rally was about. Not that the groupies here will possibly understand that…

    Comment by Kman

    A personal attack with a massive generalization. Yes, that’s basically what they meant with the rally. Kman doesn’t see Aaron, Dana, myself and others trying to be reasonable, and interlopers being unreasonable, but he just repeated the cycle.

    Was the Restoring Honor rally insane? Are the Tea Parties insane? Is the democratic process insane? That’s the message attempted. It’s projection.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  434. Eric Blair,
    Tell us about your personal relationship with Christ.

    w (9df40f)

  435. Dustin

    Well, presuming you and everyone is quoting Kman correctly…

    > The tone of this post and the thread that follow are exactly what the rally was about.

    Yes, actually this is what it is all about. I am trying to bring Charles Johnson back to sanity.

    And tomorrow we will make a big stride toward restoring sanity by voting in a republican wave.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  436. I haven’t had a chance to read through all this but I am going through and deleting some comments, like one I just deleted that said things like “fuck off” and “you are a lying piece of garbage” and that sort of thing.

    That was jharp. jharp, you need to calm down or your comments will be moderated. If that happens, I will release appropriate ones when I get to them, which sometimes takes hours.

    I don’t know how we got to this point as I am starting at the end of the thread. But I can tell you that that sort of comment has no place here and will not be published.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  437. William Yelverton – how many names do you plan on posting under? When do you plan to go all gender bender and start posting as Pam, or the other girls names you have hid behind?

    JD (a5262a)

  438. Professor Yelverton:

    I’m happy to do so, right after you discuss your feelings about “artificial ingredients” and your thoughts about the effects of aspartame.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  439. Dear Patterico:

    Thank you for that comment. Our dear friend jharp is a bit angry right now, and feeling mas macho. Electronically.

    He is going to explode on Tuesday, I have a feeling. He says he doesn’t care, but birds are nesting at the end of his long wooden nose.

    But he sure is a classy man, exhibiting such acumen and eloquence.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  440. W – I will add a prayer for you when I talk to God tomorrow morning.

    May you find Heaven soon.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  441. But first, daley, he will have to eat some more nuts.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  442. Metro rail ridership data show 315,000 more trips taken on the Stewart/Colbert rally day than the Beck rally day.

    According to Metro, there were 825,437 on Stewart/Colbert day and 510,020 on Beck day. Average Saturday ridership is about 350,000 (both events were on a Saturday).

    If you exclude the average daily riders, and assume two trips per person (one there, one back), that yields 80,010 for Beck and 237,718 for Stewart/Colbert.

    This method corresponds to APL’s analysis of 87,000 for Beck and 215,000 for Stewart/Colbert. But don’t let facts get in the way of ignorance.

    Kind regards

    http://www.wmata.com/rail/disruption_reports/viewPage_update.cfm?ReportID=1919
    http://wmata.com/about_metro/news/PressReleaseDetail.cfm?ReleaseID=4717
    http://www.nationaljournal.com/politics/metro-says-stewart-beat-beck-at-the-faregates-20101031

    Fact Check (d1b29f)

  443. Among educated people, especially in the arts and humanities, it is rare to find conservatives. In a recent gathering, I did notice one conservative and I asked someone, why that person was so conservative? The reply I got was, “well, he’s really a big ‘jesus person’.”

    Yea, that expains it. Authoritarian by nature, belief in tradition and the supernatural, self-righteous, absolute certainty obtained from god.

    Eric Blair,
    Tell us about your personal relationship with Christ.

    w (9df40f)

  444. Willie the racist hilljack Yelverton is a coward and likes to plagiarize and hides behind female sock puppets.

    JD (f15d6b)

  445. Fact Check, if you’re right, that implies Beck’s rally was much larger than Stewart’s. Obviously Beck didn’t draw many people from the DC metro area, but rather drew in people who drove from other states. Stewart’s rally was in a very democrat town, obviously attracting locals.

    And I guess you’re letting your ‘facts’ interfere with the photos, like W did.

    It’s hilarious you guys are this obsessed with beating the Honor Rally. Any strange and unreasonable metric, from W’s MS paint square to facebook to metro rides… you don’t mind!

    As JD said, you’re doing this because you want to project the fact your ideology is losing popularity and Beck’s is gaining popularity, and the actual election is going to prove it. You want to project the fact democrats are being marginalized.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  446. Fact check.

    What unscientific claptrap.

    Does everyone ride the metro? According to you, yes, around 90% of them.

    And you get the same base ridership on a hot august day, as a cool november day, right?

    And of course beck people are just as likely to ride on a government-run transportation as stewart people, right?

    And of course beck people are just as likely to remain in town and spend money in the city, right? for instance, if a person goes to the rally, then goes to some museams, and then goes to dinner at red sage, and maybe takes in a movie, and then home, then guess what? You have one person running up 5 different rides.

    Not to mention Dustin’s point about outsiders v. locals. Now the D.C. metro is actually surprisingly easy to figure out, but if you don’t know that, you are not likely to use the metro.

    But keep telling us to ignore what our eyes tell us.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  447. Professor Yelverton:

    Just as you did on your blog, do tell about your deep knowledge of chemistry as it relates to nutrition.

    I only write this because you looooove telling people that they are ignorant and stupid. I would never call you stupid; I would call you remarkably ignorant of science.

    Yet you seem quite open about attacking other people for their supposed lack of knowledge regarding science.

    You can try to bring up religion all you want. The fact is, you are a leftist poseur. Angry about tomorrow.

    Go eat some more nuts. You might be building up more “toxins.”

    Really, dude. Go play some music. True, it will be dirge like because of tomorrow, but you do have talent in the music arena.

    In science? Not so much.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  448. “…Among educated people, especially in the arts and humanities…”

    That was just teh funny, right there.

    What a snob.

    Eric Blair (c8876d)

  449. I don’t have a dog in the ideology fight. This post is about crowd numbers — the Metro ridership data is unbiased, objective counting.

    Obviously, the data does not count people that walked there or drove. But as a DC native, there is MINIMAL parking near either rally spot.

    If you contend 500,000 attending Beck (as Beck does), and we know only 80,000 (roughly) took Metro, where did the other 420,000 park or walk from?

    Fact Check (d1b29f)

  450. The metro ridership numbers have nothing to do with attendance, and people have pointed out the variety of reasons why. that you choose to ignore them is more telling.

    JD (f15d6b)

  451. Metro was a mess all over on saturday. If you tried to drive in, it would be a bad idea. Because of the crowds.

    “And of course beck people are just as likely to ride on a government-run transportation as stewart people, right?”

    Actually yes. I think they are.

    “But keep telling us to ignore what our eyes tell us.”

    Like numbers?

    imdw (017d51)

  452. fact

    if you read my post, you will notice that i never assert how many people attended. my guess is beck was more like 300K. Beck’s own estimate of 500K was made clearly in an unserious fashion.

    So starting with beck as 300K, i figure stewart was around half to one third of that. 150K-100K. which, btw, is respectable, and as i have said repeatedly irrelevant, except on the topic of Johnson’s (and CBS’) honesty.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  453. The Stewart rally had to be larger than the Beck rally;
    Just look at how much more trash was left!

    AD-RtR/OS! (273260)

  454. “where did the other 420,000 park or walk from?”

    Fact Check – Obviously Jesus transported them there.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  455. “The metro ridership numbers have nothing to do with attendance, and people have pointed out the variety of reasons why. that you choose to ignore them is more telling.”

    How many people traveled has nothing to do with how many people are there? That’s really odd dude. Don’t bunnies this one.

    imdw (017d51)

  456. “if you read my post, you will notice that i never assert how many people attended. my guess is beck was more like 300K. Beck’s own estimate of 500K was made clearly in an unserious fashion.”

    Stewart said there were 10 million. I think he was making fun of glenn beck’s “unseriousness.”

    imdw (3bac64)

  457. Since a significantly large number of Beck participants came from outside the Beltway, and (from available surveys) are relatively affluent, would it not be reasonable to assume that a large number of them stayed in DC hotels and walked or taxied to the event.

    AD-RtR/OS! (273260)

  458. “Among educated people, especially in the arts and humanities, it is rare to find conservatives.”

    Willie – Thank you for admitting the obvious discrimination in hiring against conservatives in academia. Liberals love to hire people like themselves and hate competition. The concentration of liberals in “secure” professions like government and teaching is a direct result of these traits.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  459. Comment by imdw — 11/1/2010 @ 10:56 am

    Are we sure that Stewart wasn’t making an envious reference to Katie’s salary?

    AD-RtR/OS! (273260)

  460. The same CBS that is claiming 215,000 for Stewart’s rally claimed only 87,000 for Beck’s.

    That discrepency alone is enough to destroy what little credibility SeeBS had left.

    OxyCon (ab857b)

  461. “Since a significantly large number of Beck participants came from outside the Beltway, and (from available surveys) are relatively affluent, would it not be reasonable to assume that a large number of them stayed in DC hotels and walked or taxied to the event.”

    Metros were crowded in suburban stations too. Lots of hotels are outside of town — like crystal city.

    imdw (0275b8)

  462. “Since a significantly large number of Beck participants came from outside the Beltway, and (from available surveys) are relatively affluent, would it not be reasonable to assume that a large number of them stayed in DC hotels and walked or taxied to the event.”

    Metros were crowded in suburban stations too. Lots of hotels are outside of town — like in crystal city.

    imdw (8222e7)

  463. Lots of hotels are outside of town — like in crystal city.

    If you flew in, Crystal City makes sense. But my guess is the vast majority drove up, attended, and drove home.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  464. Anyhow, it’s not a reasonable metric, since the politics of the town, and the people familiar with the red line, are overwhelmingly democrat.

    It’s no big deal to me that Stewart attracted a huge crowd of democrats in DC. Good for him. Huge rally. The picture with the largest Stewart crowd shows his rally was less popular than the one more consistent with the most popular political movement right now… this is not a very surprising development. The left has been crazy about this sort of ‘if you aren’t a democrat, you are weird, rare, insane’ for a while, and that just doesn’t work this year.

    Your rally was smaller, and you’re losing the election.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  465. “If you flew in, Crystal City makes sense. But my guess is the vast majority drove up, attended, and drove home.”

    And parked at a metro station outside of town or downtown?

    imdw (ca9f6c)

  466. “Anyhow, it’s not a reasonable metric, since the politics of the town, and the people familiar with the red line, are overwhelmingly democrat.”

    Why just the red line? The orange line was a mess too. Turns out actually the rally day set an all time saturday record.

    imdw (ca9f6c)

  467. And Aaron’s point is pretty specific that Johnson and CBS used unreasonable arguments. This would be true even if Stewart somehow did have a bigger rally. An unreasonable, biased, dishonest argument sucks… even if it’s accidentally got the right conclusion. In this case, it’s also wrong there too, but that wasn’t Aaron’s point.

    Go check DC’s election results and see just how silly a metro based analysis is. Hell, even if Stewart had matched Beck, Beck comes out looking more impressive. If Obama matched Bush 43 for a rally in Dallas, that would be amazing… and this is basically less than what Beck accomplished.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  468. And parked at a metro station outside of town or downtown?

    Comment by imdw

    Sorry, most of the people who would do that are probably democrats. Just as most of the people who would know to effectively use DART in Dallas might be familiar with Dallas.

    We actually have great evidence I’m right, since it’s been shown how much larger the conservative rally was while metro ridership was not up to that proportion.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  469. “Go check DC’s election results and see just how silly a metro based analysis is”

    Silly? 240,000 votes for obama in 2008. If each one of those people took 3 trips that day, we’d still not have metro’s numbers. This is sillyness. People take metro to get around. Even tourists. On the mall? Specially tourists.

    imdw (ce700c)

  470. “Go check DC’s election results and see just how silly a metro based analysis is”

    Silly? 240,000 votes for obama in 2008. If each one of those people took 3 trips that day, we’d still not have metro’s numbers. This is sillyness. People take metro to get around. Even tourists. On the mall? Specially tourists.

    “Sorry, most of the people who would do that are probably democrats. Just as most of the people who would know to effectively use DART in Dallas might be familiar with Dallas.”

    So let’s say you expect 300,000 people coming to the mall, where would you tell them to park?

    imdw (043f60)

  471. “Go check DC’s election results and see just how silly a metro based analysis is”

    Silly? 240,000 votes for obama in 2008. If each one of those people took 3 trips that day, we’d still not have metro’s numbers. This is sillyness. People take metro to get around. Even tourists. On the mall? Specially tourists.

    “Sorry, most of the people who would do that are probably democrats. Just as most of the people who would know to effectively use DART in Dallas might be familiar with Dallas.”

    Let’s say you expect 300,000 people coming to the mall, where would you tell them to park?

    imdw (c5488f)

  472. Why just the red line? The orange line was a mess too

    That’s why I’d take the red line and walk it. Few better walks, IMO, in the country.

    See, the people who have used the metro more than ten times in their life are democrats. The town is 77.9% democrat. It’s hilarious to see this used as a metric. You may as well count how many F-250s show up for a rally in Dallas. We have photos… Stewart’s rally was huge anyway.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  473. “That’s why I’d take the red line and walk it. Few better walks, IMO, in the country.”

    That was a mess too. People waited in long lines just to get farecards. But… they’re all from in town and already have farecards, right?

    Did you go the beck thing? I’m wondering if he counseled people to take the metro. Unfortunately he took down his website.

    imdw (150cd7)

  474. Yep, cody, it makes sense to just post that picture again after I refuted it, because you can’t really challenge the point I made that the field of blue does not match that photograph showing Stewart’s rally to be much smaller.

    Just post it again, I guess. It really is important that you prove how out of touch with America the Honor rally is.

    oops. Freaking Sanity-Truthers.

    I love the idea that it’s not sane to be opposed to the massive deficit and expansion of government, problems that are unsustainable. Your reply is that we’re not sane? No wonder the Sanity rally was half the size of the Honor rally. No wonder you’re resorting to proof that relies on your word.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  475. BTW, Cody and W provided a URL with their photo, but that URL does not have any information about this matter.

    It’s a complete lie that their argument is supported by that URL. So why is this such a commonly distrubuted URL to support Cody’s claims?

    Because this completely terrible manner of proving a point is the best Cody and W could do.

    And the reason that’s the best they can do is because they are wrong.

    The best I can do is compare the actual photos of each event, using the areas they occupy, and note the Sanity rally is about half the size of the Honor one. Why would Cody argue something that isn’t true, with such desperation? Isn’t this issue already polled relentlessly on the cover of every major media outlet? Isn’t it obvious that the cry ‘You’re insane’ at the Tea Party is actually just wrong and unpopular?

    You won’t win again, democrats, until you win the Tea Party over to your side.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  476. Damn, The amazing Harpo is back trolling around these here parts!! I thought he was banned from sharing his stupidity with the adults!!
    Still an asshat!!!

    SacTownMan (e0b388)

  477. SacTownMan – I know you folks had the pleasure of his company at Riehl World View for a while, but it looks like he infected a wide variety of sites over the course of the past two years.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  478. Aaron Worthing @12:

    Your claim is quite easily refuted by the aerial photos posted by Airphotoslive:

    http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=3c6784b6-4e50-4f3a-8fc7-b60cba169384

    A little comparison:

    http://photosynth.net/view.aspx?cid=3c6784b6-4e50-4f3a-8fc7-b60cba169384

    And geeze, when the the Freeper’s photo and graphic you rely on are ripped apart by other Freepers, you know you have a bit of a credibility problem:

    http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2617813/replies?c=82

    But thanks for reminding me how truly stupid this place is. You’ve worked hard for your reputation.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  479. itsme, did you actually look at those photos?

    The crowd dwindles in front of the Hirshhorn museum. That’s your end point. Yet the diagram, with no people on it, claims the crowd is double that size.

    How “truly stupid” this place is to believe our lying eyes while LGF nut after LGF nut throws their integrity out the window over the dumbest bragging point the day before an election.

    Your own link proves you’re wrong, itsme.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  480. Everybody click itsme’s links. The first one is perfect.

    Compare the crowd in an actual photo of the crowd, to the crowd in the diagram W and Cody and many other liberals are claiming this photo has proven.

    Not because it matters that Beck or Stewart attracted a certain amount of support, but because these LGF nuts are completely dishonest.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  481. These aren’t all LGF nutters. A lot of them are just repeats of banned trollz, lashing out before their beating tomorrow.

    JD (803412)

  482. Dustin @487 and 488:

    Please re-read my comment and what I was actually responding to.

    Oh and by the way, I am not an LGF commenter nor have I ever been banned here.

    As I said, this site’s reputation is well-earned.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  483. You are a stupid doo doo head because you do not believe my distortions, and you have a reputation of being stupid poo poo heads because you are stupid doo doo heads.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  484. I stand correct on the LGF aspect.

    itsme, I read your comment and I looked at your photo and it’s quite clear you’re wrong and Aaron’s right.

    Look at your first picture. And then look at a map. Look at cody’s map. Look at the buildings and see that the Stewart rally was less than half the size claimed by Cody’s map. Even if you don’t support Cody’s map to start with, this resulting rally size, while impressive in size, is smaller than Beck’s rally.

    You bothered to post those links. Why not actually consider the information they give us?

    You say this proves this site’s reputation for being stupid. Why? Because I actually looked at your evidence, but can think for myself?

    The rally in your pics ends around the Hirshhorn museum, and while you can’t even see the other side of it, if it goes all the way to the capitol, which it didn’t, then it’s a smaller area than the image Aaron showed of the Beck rally, both in width and depth.

    You just announcing I’m stupid is a predictable reply.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  485. JD @491:

    Exactly what distortions are those?

    Be specific.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  486. Dustin outlined it quite nicely, troll. You are a stupid doo do head. But, I am willing to give you a victory on crowd size. In turn, you will get waxed tomorrow, as America is going to flatly reject your noxious ideology, in a big way.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  487. Dustin @492:

    Seriously dude, read my comments. I wasn’t responding to Cody or anyone else but the author of this post and his reliance on pictures and graphics that are patently wrong. As shown by the Airphotoslive pictures.

    Get it? Somehow I doubt it.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  488. So what did Dustin say that was wrong. Be specific.

    Good Allah, these trolls are tedious.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  489. JD @494:

    In other words, you had nothing to say. Got it.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  490. No, itsme, you grossly overestimate your importance. Point and laugh. Mock and scorn. That is the extent of your importance to me, an object lesson in what the modern left has become. Just like all of those that came before you. congrats on the big crowd. Big offing deal. I would rather have the House, and a stalemate in the Senate.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  491. Auto spell check is teh suck.

    JD (c8c1d2)

  492. Seriously dude, read my comments

    I specifically said your pics vindicated Aaron’s claims. And you specifically said they did not. I also noted your pics disprove Cody’s pic, which you have not discussed, but Cody’s pic has an overhead view that is very helpful because you can see the buildings and compare the actual crowds’ locations.

    “Get it?”

    Yeah, I get it. You can’t comprehend the possibility that I am refuting both your claims and the more general aura of disinformation about how amazingly massive this rally was.

    Because I’m relying on your link, I am forbidden from showing that it completely contradicts a repeated claim in this thread.

    Well, guess what my point is? I don’t think you “get it”. My point is that the left is acting ridiculous in its attempts to inflate the size of their rally. Relying on facebook? Metro tickets? Shots from the middle of a rally, so as to be impossible to see the whole extent?

    And yes, Cody and W’s image, which your link proves is a hysterical exaggeration.

    My point is not that Stewart’s rally was small (it wasn’t). My point is that you guys are being really, really silly to try to flail over such a silly issue. At best, it was a proxy for the support for democrats, and it’s the day before an election. It’s pathetic.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  493. Seriously, folks. click Itsme’s first link, and click Cody’s.

    Someone tried to pretend the Stewart rally was drastically bigger than it was in the most pathetic way possible. There’s no doubt about it. Just look for the Hirshhorn museum on both images.

    I guess this isn’t nearly as egregious as claiming Obama reduced the deficit, though. It’s a distraction.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  494. Aaron Worthing – Btw, this is the sum of everything Johnson has said on the subject of having an islamofascist at a rally to restore “sanity.” Here you go this is all of it: [crickets chirping]

    In the comments of his original post on the rally, Johnson criticized the decision to include Cat Stevens.

    Scrutineer (e1f362)

  495. Dustin @500:

    This will be my last response, because I’m not sure I’m getting through.

    Aaron relied in his post on pictures and graphics put up by Free Republic commenter keypro (see link @485). While Aaron insisted that he would rely on those pics and graphics (ie, his “lying eyes”) rather than the Airphotoslive estimate, it’s clear that the photos and graphics he’s relying on are just plain wrong; even the other FR commenters pointed this out to keypro.

    Aside from the fact that Aaron/Keypro’s photo of the Stewart rally is inaccurate, showing a much smaller crowd than shown in the Airphotoslive shots, the ovals in Aaron/Keypro’s graphic showing the area covered are completely off. Look at the Beck rally pictures – the Beck crowd did not extend to the Washington Monument, but was almost nonexistent after the WWII Memorial. So the oval is much too big. As you yourself say, the crowd was dense right up to and including the Hirschorn Museum, which means the Stewart oval on the graphic just over half the size it should be.

    Of course Aaron’s graphic also doesn’t account for the fact that the Reflecting Pool negates a large part of the area, or that the pictures show that there was a huge section in the middle of the area that was nearly empty. While in contrast, the Stewart crowd was almost uniformly shoulder-to-shoulder until it began thinning out at the Hirschorn. And that included the overflow crowd on 7th Street.

    So, perhaps you understand my point now? Aaron has been relying on pictures and graphics that are simply incorrect, yet he insists that he’d rather rely on those than the Airphotoslive estimate which was based on actually counting the people in the pictures. (Try the zoom function at Photosynth – you can actually count individuals.)

    I doubt this will dissuade you from your opinions. So I’ll just say good night and good luck.

    itsme (c5ff01)

  496. Correction @ 503

    the crowd was dense right up to and including the Hirschorn Museum = the Stewart crowd was dense right up to and including the Hirschorn Museum

    itsme (c5ff01)

  497. good luck

    Thanks! Same to you.

    However, look at your pics again, plot the only extent your pics show on a map, and notice they support Aaron’s claims. Or don’t.

    When you say you’re not getting through to me, perhaps you mean I do not understand the point of trying to prove this rally was much bigger than it was.

    I’m guilty as charged.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  498. Are you guys STILL flailing away at this? Well then, how about the other problem in estimation of attendance which of course is that crowds are dynamic so that their size increases and decreases as the day wears on. So you need multiple photos of all crowds at multiple times of day less places where people cant stand plus places where people were hidden by trees etc.etc. and then add up all the estimations, take a mean estimated number of attendees who never left, argue over which group would have more people staying all day and then pull a number out yer buttsky that sez you win!!!!!! Really, go over to Huffpo for a good laugh at all the signs (ok, most of the signs, some weren’t all that).

    EdWood (b0937d)

  499. edwood, it is pretty silly, I agree.

    But I gotta assume the democrats picked the actual photos of the event, proving the massive size of it, according to your point that the crowd gets bigger or smaller. I’ve seen a few pictures of the crowd so far, itsme’s and Aaron’s included, and they show the rally went from some point short of the capital to the Hirshhorn Museum, which is less than half what some are claiming.

    some of the signs were funny, but for the most part, they all seem to be claims of superiority or attacks on the other rally.

    The other rally’s claims are that we need to love people for the content of their character rather than the color of their skin, and that the government is growing in size and deficit so much that we’ve got a serious problem. It’s hard to understand why all these Stewart fans think that’s insane. Belittling a national emergency like our deficit, when Obama himself admits it’s a huge problem, seems unreasonable.

    But Huffpo had some funny signs, anyway. the best ones weren’t attacking but rather self mocking, like the ‘mom told me there’d be candy here’ sign.

    I think there’s something really interesting about this obsession the Sanity rally had with a completely benign Honor Rally. They have to be smarter, bigger, more popular, even the only “sane” rally. It’s really amazing how far these folks are going to ‘win’.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  500. Most disturbing in this matter is the gigantic hired website that uses a microsoft program install before it allows you to view their covered and indiscernible “evidence”.
    I see the pictures and clearly Beck’s rally is much larger, but we apparently see how the truth is not necessarily available from even government hired crowd counters, with elaborate ruses and schemes for warping the facts to “their agenda” or whomever is paying them the most to do so.
    I find it quite disturbing the higher and higher levels of sophistication in lies I encounter – the coverups, the not accessible data – the massive disparity in what people believe to be true, all because there are so many willing to be absolutely and entirely dishonest, no matter what.

    SiliconDoc (7ba52b)


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