Patterico's Pontifications

10/4/2010

“I’m You”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:52 pm

No, it’s not Linda Tripp. It’s Christine O’Donnell, denying she is a witch, and asserting that she is you:

Embedding the Monty Python bit feels like too much of a cliche. So what do you think? I just have one question: the white smoke behind the woman in the black dress . . . that’s not coming from a cauldron, is it?

UPDATE: For an “I’m not a witch” clip that is slightly less hackneyed than the Python bit above, enjoy this bit from the Princess Bride. The key line is at 3:09.

106 Responses to ““I’m You””

  1. Dude, if she was a witch, you would be a frog. Come to think of it.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (aac558)

  2. first she had this degree, then she went to Oxford, then she said she was a sincere conservative, and now she’s claiming to actually be me?

    Just kidding.

    It’s a good ad. Owning up to the mistakes she’s made is intelligent. It’s not exactly what Rove called for, but it’s along those lines.

    She probably has enough money to saturate the state with her messages. But once folks decide you will say whatever you need to, to get ahead, it becomes hard to talk your way up.

    This is a campaign that has played hardball, crying uncle. It’s a smart call, and it will improve her standing in the polls, but if she wins I will go shoot a crow and eat it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  3. Um, give it a rest?

    Rather than focus on how flawed a candidate like O’Donnell is, why not reflect on why a candidate like O’Donnell is even in the running: the political class has failed and random candidates seem like a better idea.

    Kevin Murphy (298030)

  4. Dude, if she was a witch, you would be a frog. Come to think of it.

    Did Castle vote for the stimulus, as you claimed, Zelsdorf Ragshaft III?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  5. Um, give it a rest?

    Um, no?

    People want to see this ad.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  6. Rather than focus on how flawed a candidate like O’Donnell is

    I do not in this post focus on how flawed a candidate like O’Donnell is.

    I embed her own ad and crack a lighthearted little joke.

    So: the stuff about giving it a rest? Give it a rest.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  7. O’Donnell looks very pretty. There’s that. (What? Not enough?)

    Not much else: It feels cloying and forced, and I feel like I’m supposed to be relieved that she is just like me,except I’m not.

    I’m annoyed because instead of this manipulation, let me see and hear something, anything substantive and real that convinces me her half-truths were a figment of media imagination.

    Make me believe you, Christine.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  8. I do not in this post focus on how flawed a candidate like O’Donnell is.

    Well this little vid didn’t help convince me she isn’t. In fact it reminded me that she is because it’s a blatant attempt switch gears – which is fine *if* you’ve cleared the air with the people you hope to vote for you. And I don’t think she has cleared the air. Not at all.

    (I know Patterio was not using this vid to remind us of her flaws.)

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  9. I think it’s a good ad. She’s attractive and comes across as someone likeable, and from what I’ve seen she supports conservative policies. I suspect we’ll hear more about those policies in the coming weeks.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  10. Sadly, Chinese agent Daleyrocks was in place early enough to begin a career prosecuting jaywalkers and jacking asses. Now, he has funded his new servers on his ‘patterico’ blog, with which he shall destroy America’s only hope, Oxford educated super spy, Double O’Donnell.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  11. She’s attractive and comes across as someone likeable, and from what I’ve seen she supports conservative policies.

    To me, she comes across as extremely difficult to like. She knows who her supporters are, so she’d probably be no more squishy than Castle (expecting more than this is unrealistic, given her character). Anyhow, she comes across very well in this ad, but I don’t forget how she’s come across elsewhere. If this were my first impression of her, I’d like her plenty.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  12. Dustin – Don’t look out your window right now. Trust me on this.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  13. I was thinking along the same lines, Dustin. Likeable might cut it if there weren’t such negatives already known about her.

    Andlikeable has it’s place, certainly, but at this time, more frankness would seem to have a bigger impact and maybe bring back those doubting and edging away from her.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  14. Dana, your impression is more articulate than mine, but it touches that ‘forced’ nerve for me. I don’t know that it’s reasonable to grade her ad based on my impression. My mind is pretty well made up about her honesty, after all.

    Ian asked ‘where do you go to get your integrity back’ in a previous thread. The answer is: people who don’t know you very well. Those people will love this ad. People who are somewhat aware that she’s been through the ringer, but don’t dig into it, will probably love this ad.

    She’s been playing hardball for months, and I don’t know how many people that is, now. But her funding level is extremely high when you consider how few eyeballs she has to reach.

    Patterico’s second link (awesome, awesome movie, even better book that nobody reads) talks about the difference between all dead or mostly dead. Double O’Donnell’s mostly dead.

    BTW, I am referring to the recent story about O’Donnell being privy to classified intel on the Chinese conspiracy to take over America.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  15. Did you see Mark Levin’s new ad? He starts out by saying “I am not a jackass” and then he says he’s you.

    Northeast Elizabeth (24fc2b)

  16. Yeah, I left that one alone, because I kind of do think the Chinese are out to take us over. They own all our debt and we will never pay it off. So it will probably work.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  17. Where did she get access to classified information though?

    Patterico (c218bd)

  18. When Ting challenged O’Donnell’s claim about having secret information, O’Donnell didn’t answer specifically but suggested she had received it through nonprofit groups she worked with that frequently sent missionaries there.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  19. The Chinese are purchasing Australian businesses and land in very much a similar way to their dealings with America.

    What I love is how China is the major profiteer of every conflict America has been involved in recently.

    Christian (c92ec1)

  20. Well there you have it then.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  21. Well, the Chinese illuminati briefing she attended at Oxford was classified, so the Secretary of Defense has disavowed any knowledge of her actions.

    I know I’m being immature, but it’s been a long lame spectacle and I’m beyond caring.

    I thought it was unfortunate that Christine was using her special classified knowledge (that she made up) to attack someone else as accommodating enemies of the state. One of the reasons I find her unlikable is that she fights dirty at the drop of a hat.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  22. One of the reasons I find her unlikable is that she fights dirty at the drop of a hat.

    Yeah, but you say that because you’re on Coons’s payroll. That’s what people keep telling me: I hear Dustin is on Coons’s payroll. I sure hope you’re not, but people keep saying it.

    /O’Donnell

    Patterico (c218bd)

  23. WOW.

    This woman really pushed your buttons. (and/or her nomination).

    You don’t seem to be able to stop yourself, which indicates some kind of emotional involvement concerning her or what she represents to you.

    The last time I saw this kind of snarky obsession with a person or topic was Charles Johnson who would post at least one anti-creationist post every day. (you’re not posting quite so often but often enough to be noticeable. Especially for such an insignificant race.)

    One could almost call it ‘O’donnell Derangement Syndrome’.

    I would counsel you to elicit someone you trust to evaluate how much you’re obsessing about this woman.

    Really dude, it’s unseemly.

    jakee308 (f64000)

  24. “17.Where did she get access to classified information though?”

    At Oxford, honors program

    EricPWJohnson (5895a8)

  25. It will be much lamer, if Coons is in the Senate, selling out your freedom, your job and your birthright, but he has those degrees from Amherst
    and Yale, so he knows what he is doing.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  26. Ref PRC:
    Who owns how much of Hutchison-Whampoa (which owns the Panama Canal)?
    Could a thermite grenade in a lock hinge screw things up?

    Richard Aubrey (11352a)

  27. WOW.

    This woman really pushed your buttons.

    Yeah, something about her rank dishonesty, coupled with the way that people insisted I stop talking about it, has made me desire to keep talking about it.

    There are many topics that I cover on a rolling basis, but usually I do not have a commentariat flecked with spittle insisting that I STOP talking about it. It does happen from time to time, though — and my reaction to people telling me to stop posting about something is generally to post more about it.

    Then again, if you read the post, it links HER OWN AD and makes a gentle joke about it.

    I can ceertainly resume critical posts every day if I’m going to be treated like that’s what I’m doing anyway.

    I would say: WOW. It seems like I really pushed YOUR buttons. You don’t seem to be able to stop yourself from telling me to stop posting anything about her — even if I’m linking her own propaganda.

    Really, dude. It’s unseemly on your part.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  28. Rico prefers his liars skillful, he’s embarrassed by rank amateurs.

    While the uninitiate might allow his obession with this broad could be satisfied with a loathing of her ditziness it’s obvious now, three weeks past its expiration date, we’ve a shortcoming greater than lack of candor.

    Attempting the deceit of developing evidence of the LinkedIn variety, nasty digs like “Weasel”, refusal to entertain criteria of the Tea Party, all point to something unspoken fueling his mania.

    Jackass.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  29. Pat, I don’t believe I have said for you to stop posting anything about her, just stop being so MAINSTREAM MEDIA about it. (I also haven’t posted a comment every other day about it.)

    I’ve expressed my concern at the extent and snark of the coverage and just now the appearance of obsession and advised that you might want to get a third party’s opinion.

    Ed Shultz and many others say things all the time just as goofy, stupid and irrelevant as anything O’Donnell has and I don’t see you posting a thread about him every other day.

    Just because of my comments, don’t lump me into those who are her cheerleaders solely because she’s running as an R.

    I think she’s a distraction and not worthy of the attention. It’s sad that the R’s may not win the seat now but would Castle have really been a reliable vote for the direction most believe the Country should be taking and is it really in our interest to give the R’s control of the Senate AND the House? I’ve read some good arguments about NOT giving the R’s the Senate until they’ve proven they’ve REALLY heard what the People are saying.

    If so many are advising/demanding you stop, isn’t it just possible that they’ve got a point?

    Sometimes it’s easy to be blindered by one’s own viewpoint and when someone has a strong and stubborn personality it’s difficult to admit one’s wrong so if you keep hearing people say you should stop, maybe you should at least get a second opinion?

    Meanwhile, snark on if it pleases you (it’s your blog after all) but look around at who else seems pleased about all her stuff. Me; when I find myself on the same side as people I despise, I take a second look at what I’m doing or thinking.

    jakee308 (f64000)

  30. Yes, four threads about Coons that could be considered critical versus 10-12 that are practically off the Journolist

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  31. Ed Shultz and many others say things all the time just as goofy, stupid and irrelevant as anything O’Donnell has and I don’t see you posting a thread about him every other day.

    While that may be true, Ed Shultz is not running for public office.

    I don’t understand why people keep pulling lefty nuts out of the hat and use them as the standard for the right: Well O’Donnell may have a few issues but at least she’s not like….

    Wasn’t a major point of the forming of the Tea Party is to strike back against the corruption and recklessness of government?

    If so, why is it so difficult to understand that our candidates should not have evidenced their own recklessness and corruption of truth in their personal lives? What else are we to judge them on – what they say, and not what they do; their words and not their actions? Really?

    *Now, understanding human nature and all of it’s foibles, there would be far less a problem if at some point in time O’Donnell had come out forthrightly and without hesitation, and publicly went down the list and cleared up each issue – either with an apology for tweaking the truth and/or an acceptable explanation that passed the smell test. America is a very forgiving people. We just need to see some level of acknowledgment and remorse first.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  32. “Wasn’t a major point of the forming of the Tea Party is to strike back against the corruption and recklessness of government?”

    1.) The Tea Party is about results.

    2.) We are setting aside any social agenda, reserving that authority to the States, agreeing to dismantle the largesse of Federal government.

    Plan A is through the Republican party via hostile takeover. Following 2010, regardless of party count in the Senate, all legislative, investigative and litigative action will be in the House.

    Gridlock in the Senate, will be an order greater than in the 110th & 111th Congresses.

    Now your issues regarding integrity are an ingredient but you are asking for a compact to blackball a candidate. You ain’t going to get it. WTFU.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  33. What I love is how China is the major profiteer of every conflict America has been involved in recently.

    What I love about this narrative is the complete ignorance of China’s own looming massive debt problem, and that visitors to that country have remarked about the thousands of new skyscrapers going up in their major cities, all with no tenants with none on the immediate horizon. All financed by their own government – yeah, they’re definitely in awesome financial straits, look out!

    http://chinesepolitics.blogspot.com/2010/02/looming-problem-of-local-debt-in-china.html

    Dmac (84da91)

  34. first speaking of Fast Eddie Schultz, here is him being a completely dishonest idiot when it comes to his rally v. the beck one. http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2010/10/04/ed-schultz-one-nation-rally-had-just-many-people-glenn-becks

    who are you gonna believe? Fast Eddie or your lying eyes?

    as for this ad, the other mccain makes a good point. its not really about what she says, its about body language and using her natural magnetism. he writes:

    > Forget the words. Just turn off the sound and look at it. The moment she flashes that first smile, the average person likes her. They can’t help it. It’s an autonomic response.

    He isn’t sure if that translates into votes, but he is arguing that it plays into her best strength. i think there is merit to that, even if that is kind of a crappy reason to pick a senator.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  35. jakee308,

    I am obsessive about truth. Read here long enough and you’ll see accusations that I am obsessed with Radley Balko, Michael Hiltzik, Glenn Greenwald, the L.A. Times, etc. etc.

    Look for the common thread and you’ll see that in every such case I am calling out dishonesty.

    I tend to see such calls for me to STFU as protective of dishonesty. Why is it that those who issue the accusations never grapple with the dishonesty I am discussing?

    Moreover, you see this as a distraction, but the level of interest you see in the comments proves that not everyone agrees. People tend to see this race as symbolic. I do too, but I see the symbolism in a different way. I think the race symbolizes how people will overlook electoral weakness, dishonesty, and odd statements when they have a pretty face and claimed conservative beliefs.

    In any event, accusations of obsession when I’m after someoe who is dishonest usually cause me to dig in my heels. It would be nice to get some credit for caring about the truth, but the fact I don’t get that credit from you won’t make me stop caring.

    Patterico (48300d)

  36. Let’s say we developed a TP metaCongress, a shadow government. We agreed to let in everyone who wanted-using consensual selection.

    At the grassroots level, say the district level, we have a membership class. Everyone votes on each individual. Everyone must have a sponsor.

    Should a voter happen to know a pledge does not wipe adequately they turn a thumb down and the novice is turned out, generally w/out recourse or future consideration.

    Now I say this can’t work for the TP, cannot feasibly envisioned, but even if it obtained it’s a perverse, additional impediment to good government.

    Motion denied.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  37. Dmac

    are you telling me that Chinese urban development is taking, ahem, a great leap forward?

    And yes, i know about all the ugliness that this term implies. That’s exactly why your comment makes me really nervous.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  38. jake,

    This is not ‘such an insignificant race’.

    It’s one of the most interesting races in the country for one of the most powerful positions.

    You’re saying it’s insignificant because you want to pretend someone is unusually obsessed, yet just about every major news outlet has covered this race many, many times.

    You folks insisting we shouldn’t talk about it are the truly oddball ones. Why do you even care? Some people really want an ethical and conservative government, and obviously those people won’t like O’Donnell very much.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  39. Yes, the media has strived to dig up any conceivable
    comment she’s made in 15 years, throw out every allegation, including those who have been debunked, and scarcely touched Coon’s record of mismanagement,
    what’s new about that.

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  40. Well, Patterico has touched on Coons’s record, Ian. I don’t think Coons’s record is so juicy and ripe with stories (though his policy statements are quite bad).

    Coons is a genuinely good politician, and he’s probably been dreaming of high office all his like (just like O’Donnell, career politician), only he was smart enough not to claim to have been Dean of the School of the Americas on his application to IHOP. Did you catch the debate? Reid was right that he is a skilled and smooth politician.

    Granted, the MSM is much, much more interested in destroying the conservative than covering the democrat. We already know the rules they play by. While it’s smart of you to point out the unfairness, it’s smarter still to *listen to me* when I say the conservatives should try very hard to select excellent candidates, and vet them hard.

    The game is unfair to reformers, and we should run clean, honest candidates, who don’t weasel like 4 year old children. If you really wanted to replace John Mccain and Mike Castle and Lindsey Graham, we have to absorb this lesson.

    O’Donnell has so much baggage, and absolutely no relevant experience. She’s not intelligent or sincere. She’s probably agnostic about politics. Compare her to Joe Miller, an example of Tea Party success.

    Anyhow, there’s simply less of this crap to honestly lay at Coons’s feet, but this site covered it. The attack that this site is shilling for Coons is really dishonest.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  41. The Tea Party is, and will remain, a leaderless movement in large part because when any of needs steps forward to assume a mantle a thousand arms will reach out to drag them down.

    And this is how we reliably identify the enemy.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  42. Gary, I don’t understand what you’re saying.

    It seems like you’re saying the Tea Party sucks because it won’t accept some people as its leaders. And somehow that is how you know who the enemy is (the leaders? The thousand arms?).

    Why does there have to be a head tea partiers, anyway? I know a lot of the screamers lately are mad at Beck, I guess for showing them up. A lot of Tea Partiers reject O’donnell. A lot of Tea Partiers are not sure about Palin. I don’t think this matters too much. It’s a protest movement, not a political party.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  43. “Dude, if she was a witch, you would be a frog. Come to think of it.

    Did Castle vote for the stimulus, as you claimed, Zelsdorf Ragshaft III?

    Comment by Patterico — 10/4/2010 @ 10:05 pm”

    Castle is now history. There two candidates running and one will be the winner. To paraphrase the long ago election between Edwin Edwards and David Duke (‘this time it’s important, vote for the crook”) this time it’s important, vote for the kook and not for the communist.

    Although she is cute and is probably as dumb as a box of rocks (considering Boxer and Murray among others that is not a disqualification) the only thing that counts is how will she vote versus how her opponent will vote. An Ivy league educated communist is still a communist and no good can come from having another communist in the Senate. This time it’s important. Vote for the kook.

    cubanbob (409ac2)

  44. Why do you Californians insist on interferring in the electoral choices of other states;
    first in Alaska in the vile manner you’ve attacked our very own Lisa, and now with this infernal meddling in Deleware?

    Haven’t you make your own state bad enough, you have to try to impose your choices on others?

    Come on up sometime, we’ll do lunch and talk about it.

    The Kodiak Griz (adf61c)

  45. Vote for the kook.

    That isn’t the worst advice cubanbob, but there’s more to O’Donnell than what votes she has promised. We also have to consider her as a liability, the same way people considered Castle as a liability to the GOP brand (for different reasons).

    Hell, I’d be shocked if she voted more conservatively than Castle anyway. And remember, Coons is no worse than Castle, a moderate Republican, according to a lot of folks a month ago.

    Anyhow, didn’t Zelsdorf get a major fact completely wrong? Is it reasonable to dismiss that because Castle’s history? The point isn’t to defend Castle so much as to note that Zelsdorf’s not very accurately informed. I think that has something to do with his reaction to info he doesn’t like.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  46. “42.Gary, I don’t understand what you’re saying”

    Oh dear. Are you seated? I’m afraid the diagnosis is thusly definitive.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  47. Tea Party leaders…
    I thought the major plus of the TEA Party is that it was without hierarchy? That it is a true, grass-roots movement.

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  48. No, Gary, you were just being extremely unclear.

    because when any of needs steps forward

    What does that mean?

    I make typos a lot, and am not bashing you for an error. What did you mean?

    BTW, I would bet my house I’ve been to more Tea Party rallies, and given at least ten times as much time to helping elect Republicans, than have you or *any* of the people in these recent threads telling Patterico to shut up, or posing as arbiters of who is or is not the Tea Party. I’m the Tea Party because I’m actually motivated. I don’t take a back seat to people who are afraid of scrutiny for candidates, that’s for sure.

    But I don’t know exactly what you meant, so maybe we agree. Probably not, though. Sounds like you can’t distinguish between someone disagreeing with you and a mental illness, so you’re probably just a moron.

    ——–

    Coons’s latest is pretty weak tea. He’s claiming to support gun rights and be a fiscal conservative (the latter has been a constant refrain by his campaign), but again, I see no specifics. It’s amusing that he’s distancing himself from Obama, in a deep blue state.

    Still, he’s constantly noted his interest in balanced budgets. How is he planning to achieve one on the Hill? They always ask Republicans who promote deficit reduction what they mean, implying they will gut Medicaire and Social Security, but is there any conceivable plan for Coons to balance the budget?

    I guess he could do that ‘cut waste’ tapdance. Anyway, if he’s a communist, he’s hiding it really well.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  49. Coons’ history in his present position would be the best indicator of his future performance, would it not?
    In his present position, how has he balanced the budget of the unit of government that he oversees?
    Did he increase taxes thereby depriving his constituents of the earnings and property, or did he limit the size (and incursion into the lives of liberties of the citizens he represents) of that government.
    What has he said in his present position re the 2nd-Amendment? What votes has he cast on issues of self-defense?

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  50. How is he a good politician, he’s raised the rates on property, and he’s actually gone after activists that have crossed him, this is probably from the same media that touted Biden as some kind of sage.

    Speaking of Miller, they are throwing everything including the kitchen sink, at him in the local papers, at him. It doesn’t matter his West Point and Yale degrees, his Army commendations, his service as a Superior Court Judge. Every tiny detail about his life is torn open, meanwhile Lisa
    Murkowski is pampered by the press as some kind of
    princess

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  51. Daddy still has a lot of friends who will protect his Princess.

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  52. In his present position, how has he balanced the budget of the unit of government that he oversees?

    I think the way he balanced his country’s budget speaks well for him, but it’s soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much different a task from balancing the fed budget. After all, Castle balanced Delaware’s state budget 8 times, and yet he supported a lot of lame policies for the federal government.

    Ian, you ask how he’s a good politician and then note policies you don’t like. I think he’s a good politician because he is likable and nice. Did you catch the debate? Watch it, and I think it speaks for itself. He has O’donnell spontaneously applauding and smiling at him. I don’t say he’s a good politician as an argument to support him; quite the contrary.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  53. erm, he balanced the county budget, not the country. Of course, he’s smart to sell himself as a fiscal conservative, but he’s doing this the way Obama did. Obama promised all kinds of goodies, and deficit reduction. That’s dishonest of Coons.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  54. Dustin

    coons has not been a fiscal conservative. his record has been literally, taxing and spending. but hey you ever heard of deathbed conversions? i guess this is a election conversion. i am sure it is sincere.

    also “fiscal conservative” to alot of liberals means “we are going to tax the crap out of you.” They often claim it is irresponsible to say that we reduce taxes and increase revenues. There are two fundamental premises underlying the claim that it is irresponsibility. the first is a rejection of the laffer curve. i disagree, but you can be a serious person and discount the theory. okay.

    But the second premise is a bit hard to swallow: that the government is so lean that you cannot cut spending enough so that you can cut the deficit (or better yet, the debt) while while cutting taxes at the same time. Which is bull.

    Let me illustrate my point. imagine that we didn’t have a deficit at all, just for simplicity. so imagine the budget was for $1 trillion in spending. Imagine taxes were set so they would raise $1 trillion in revenue. Now, imagine that $500 Billion of that was waste. Then you could easily cut taxes by 1/4, and cut spending in half, and still run a $250 billion surplus.

    Now if you adjust the scenario to reflect that we are in deficit mode the math is harder, but still doable. i believe that we can cut spending so that we are running a surplus. and i believe that surplus would be large enough to allow for a tax cut.

    yes, it would require very painful cuts, but at some point we will have to make them. the danger is by then we might fail the way all those big companies failed, only this time, there is no one to bail us out.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  55. Dustin, my larger point remains:
    Did Coons, as a County Executive, rein in the powers of government, or did he further extend them into the lives and livelihoods of his constituents, thereby reducing their liberties & freedom?

    That is IMO the benchmark that the TEA Party uses.

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  56. also “fiscal conservative” to alot of liberals means “we are going to tax the crap out of you.”

    An apt description of Sen. Bob Dole, aka The Tax Collector for the Welfare State!

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  57. “47.Tea Party leaders…”

    The Tea Party is loosely analogous to the practice of science.

    Yes members of the community practicing science step forward to administer programs, consult with business, edit journals, run their labs(write grants, pay employees), write papers, attend convocations,…

    People who have never met, never having the same instructor or having been in the same country simultaneously, having at most common acquaintences or correspondents pursue a common goal with methologies in lock-step.

    Outside a given discipline are there leaders, regarded as such?

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  58. cubanbob,

    You’re speaking without knowing the context.

    Ragshaft III made a false assertion about Castle in the middle of a rude comment to me. I asked him where h got this false information and he ignored me. I told him that until he acknowledges his error, I will bring it up each and every time he comments.

    Has nothing to do with Castle, really. Has to do with Ragshaft III’s credibility — specifically his lack of it.

    As for the kook, I was OK with her when I thought she was just a kook who had been dishonest in one interview. Now that I see a pattern of dishonesty by her, I’m done. “Vote for the kook” is a cute slogan. “Vote for the liar,” not so much.

    Patterico (48300d)

  59. Did Coons, as a County Executive, rein in the powers of government, or did he further extend them into the lives and livelihoods of his constituents, thereby reducing their liberties & freedom?

    AD, that’s the right question to ask. At least one account showed Coons being disturbingly intrusive, but I really don’t know enough about the topic to intelligently judge his work. I’d be really happy if someone would put me some knowledge.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  60. i kept having a musical reference rattling in my head from this ad, sort of like obama’s “talk about me like a dog” line, and i finally remembered what song i was thinking of. metallica’s song, “sad but true.”

    I’m not as hard as patterico is and alot of you are on her, but I can’t help but notice how well the lyrics work with what is being said about here:

    I’m your truth, telling lies
    I’m your reasoned alibis
    I’m inside open your eyes
    I’m you
    sad but true

    Aaron Worthing (b1db52)

  61. Yes, four threads about Coons that could be considered critical versus 10-12 that are practically off the Journolist

    Comment by ian cormac — 10/5/2010 @ 7:16

    Four threads, one of which had original reporting on Coons, vs. zero original reporting from Ian cormac (but plenty of whining).

    Patterico (48300d)

  62. “so you’re probably just a moron.”

    So, you do understand. “Integrity, integrity, integrity.”

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  63. Oh, and you know where the idea for that original reporting came from? Commenters.

    So, ian cormac, you can continue to whine, which will not dissuade me in the slightest — or you can try to give me a tip on something about Coons that has been unreported. Which path you choose may depend on whether you’re placing your emotions ahead of what you think needs to happen in this election. So far I have seen nothing from you but unhelpful grousing.

    Patterico (48300d)

  64. AD used the TEA acronym, instead of the “tea” word. Coons’s campaign never uses the acronym, but they are basically running against the TEA party directly.

    I think that’s another good indication of the kind of ‘fiscal conservative’ Coons wants to be.

    It’s amazing to me that anyone would find the idea that we’re Taxed Enough Already to be something to run against. It’s aggressive because democrats think this is one case where they can use a bad candidate to embarrass a great movement. They need to shut down this notion that government isn’t the solution, but a big problem.

    As smart as I think Coons is, he would happily pull the rug out from under O’Donnell by claiming to support the Tea Party on taxation and spending… if he did.

    Here’s his reaction to the I’m You video. Keeping in mind that only polarized partisans see his webpage, I still think it’s low class. She’s saying she’s not this witch weirdo. Coons is saying that people who have different views on abortion, or even social security, are unworthy of saying they are one of us. I guess they are afraid of this ad and want to attack it.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  65. “cubanbob,

    You’re speaking without knowing the context.

    Ragshaft III made a false assertion about Castle in the middle of a rude comment to me. I asked him where h got this false information and he ignored me. I told him that until he acknowledges his error, I will bring it up each and every time he comments.

    Has nothing to do with Castle, really. Has to do with Ragshaft III’s credibility — specifically his lack of it.

    As for the kook, I was OK with her when I thought she was just a kook who had been dishonest in one interview. Now that I see a pattern of dishonesty by her, I’m done. “Vote for the kook” is a cute slogan. “Vote for the liar,” not so much.”
    Comment by Patterico — 10/5/2010 @ 12:36 pm

    Patterico under different circumstances there wouldn’t be an inch of daylight between us. However the primaries are over and these are the two candidates in that upcoming election, an election that can have a monumental effect for the worst for the country. Castle is not in the running. O’Donnell is.
    So to paraphrase General Buck Turgidson (Dr. Strangelove) ” “Gentleman what we have here is two regrettable but nevertheless distinct post election outcomes.”

    Regarding the rude comment made to you, I stand corrected (I did not notice it) if I caused you any offense.
    The context of my comment is about that this time (only) it’s important to vote for the kook (and in truth a liar) for the reaon which is which of the two will do the nation less harm in the end. With Coons there is no doubt on how he will vote. With O’Donnell at best she will vote as she promised ( I know, she is a liar) at middle-best she would vote as Castle would have voted had he been elected and at worst she would be no worse than Coons. Even with her lies and insanities given the fact there is no other alternative in that specific election she is definitively the lesser of the two evils. look on the bright side, even is she wins (and votes correctly) she would still be a one term Senator. I can’t imagine that the country would be in such horrible shape that she would be re-elected six years from now. How awful would her opponents have to be for that to happen? God simply would not do this to us.

    cubanbob (409ac2)

  66. We could do worse than have a succession of one-term Senators holding the seat that Slow-Joe held for 36-years.

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  67. __________________________________________

    Why do you Californians insist on interferring in the electoral choices of other states;

    At least in the case of Delaware, that state and California do have one thing in common: An electorate full of nonsensical “progressives.” So there is a lot of foolishness there, a lot of foolishness here.

    But it seems Delawareans at least boast a bit more sanity than we do. That’s because polls indicated Mike Castle had a good chance of beating Chris Coons. By contrast, the knuckleheads of the “Golden State” are currently favoring Barbara Boxer over Carly Fiorina, not to mention Jerry Brown over Meg Whitman.

    So even without the excess baggage of flaky O’Donnell — who may be perceived by centrists (and certainly leftists) as an overly dogmatic person (even though I think in reality she’s an ideological chameleon) — and even with Fiorina and Whitman being rather squishy (and therefore hardly in the ultra-rightist category), a good percentage of voters in America’s answer to Greece/Mexico/Spain are finding their hearts going pitter-patter and their minds embracing the notion that:

    “To be liberal, and to vote like a liberal, means one is wonderful, humane, tolerant, compassionate, generous, sophisticated, civilized!”

    In light of such idiocy, if California doesn’t end up like a cross between France and Venezuela (ie, effete Euro-Socialism intertwined with dysfunctional Third Worldism), I’ll be astounded.

    Mark (411533)

  68. I’m glad he mentioned Murkowski when so darn curious why people would involve themselves in other state’s senate elections.

    That pork she (Lisa, not Christine) is waving around to attempt to win election is coming out of my pocket. If we had a federal government, or at least one that doesn’t shower states with wasteful spending, I would probably not be as worried about who gets into the Senate.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  69. Im impressed as hell – in a narcissistic way.

    She’s using my suggested campaign strategery from the 400 comment thread a few weeks ago.

    I may get a kiss yet.

    papertiger (c4e631)

  70. cubanbob says:

    Even with her lies and insanities given the fact there is no other alternative in that specific election she is definitively the lesser of the two evils.

    I can respect this opinion. I get annoyed with the people who pretend she is hunky-dory, and more annoyed still at the people who try to shout me down for pointing out that she is not. But if you want to acknowledge her glaring weaknesses and still argue that she is the lesser of two evils, I can respect that argument. At least your eyes are open.

    Me, I have no vote, and will probably not influence a single vote — so who really cares what I think? — but to the extent we’re all pretending our opinions are important here, mine is that the cost of actively endorsing a horrible liar is likely worse than the cost of losing the seat.

    In the long run.

    Certainly we had people telling us that it was worth sacrificing the seat if it will warn other Mike Castles that squishy Republicans are persona non grata. Why can’t I argue that it’s worth sacrificing the seat to warn other Republicans that we won’t tolerate liars?

    I don’t expect you to agree, but it would be nice if you could at least acknowledge that the argument has some rationality to it, as I have acknowledged with respect to your argument.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  71. If only the MSM had vetted the Presidential candidates in ’08 to the degree that they have Gubernatorial candidates in DE this year.

    AD-RtR/OS! (adf61c)

  72. She’s living rent free in your head Pat.

    papertiger (13fc04)

  73. Looking at that focus group that Luntz rounded up, one wonders if the job is toughter in your neck of
    the woods, your state is going bankrupt,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  74. “Why can’t I argue that it’s worth sacrificing the seat to warn other Republicans that we won’t tolerate liars?”

    Obviously it is Ok, no one 3 weeks back missed that.

    On Sept. 15 or 16 Ace walked it back noting that DE polling showed Coon’s negatives at 50% and admitted his tack that the guy had the seat won against the worst scum ever foisted on us by 53% might have been a bit thin.

    If you weren’t so clearly alone Coulter would’ve eaten you alive by now.

    Your legal dissections are often worth something, the delusions not so much. And cast in the guise of legal dissections they are repugnant.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  75. “admitted his tack that the guy had the seat won against the worst scum ever foisted on us by 53% might have been a bit thin.”

    gary – 53% is a damn impressive number. What is the percentage of Republicans in Delaware? ENTHUSIASM

    daleyrocks (940075)

  76. 75. D&D star.

    53%, by a tragic coincidence, is the number granting us One Big-Ass Mistake America. I trust thought of the former 53% furrowed the latter’s brows as they cast their prayer.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  77. If you weren’t so clearly alone Coulter would’ve eaten you alive by now.

    LOL.

    How? He’s right. O’Donnell is a liar. She is getting her ass kicked in the polls. She will lose the race handily.

    You think people are ‘eating’ O’donnells (many) naysayers alive by calling them names? Unless they can actually make a sensible point, they aren’t doing anything but rubbing egos.

    On the other hand, people who are honest about Republicans with issues have maintained or built credibility, while those who have negotiable principles have burned it away.

    Gary Galrud uses the word ‘repugnant’ to describe someone being honest about things Gary Galrud demands silence on. What a pathetic individual.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  78. You know what bugs me about this crusade to drag down O’D, it’s not really about some egregious lie she told.
    Fact is if Pat were dead set against character flaws, he has a plethora of candidates in California to rail against.
    Gavin Newsom – could there be a more dishonest scumbag. This SOB bedded his campaign manager’s wife, while he was temporarily between concubines.
    Does this asshole belong anywhere near a position of public trust? He can’t even handle private trust.
    But there he goes. Probably going to win another…
    I’m sorry. Did I say win? I meant he’s probably going to buy himself another election. The good old fashion way – with union money.
    Then we have that Candy Maldenado guy – another republican, hand picked by the Los Angeles Times for his defeatability. -(invented a word)

    There’s an interesting topic. How many of the remaining Republicans in statewide races were picked by the LATimes in the primary?

    You want me to get excited about their favorites?
    Their criteria for what constitutes a good Republican are 100% different then mine.
    They’re looking for people who are compromised. They’re looking for people too stupid /and or dishonest/ to see that global warming legislation sucks the life out of an economy, killing and destroying more lives then a change in the weather ever could. They are looking for people who will be easy to beat so that their same plate of defective democrats will have an easy ride to business as usual.

    That’s why it bugs me that you help them out.

    I mean back during the primary didn’t you post the video of Carly Fiorina appearing on Fox?
    Why?
    Policy wise her only recommendation, besides her not being Boxer, was that the Times called her a moderate Republican – the only type that is electable in Cal.
    Really? So Californians didn’t elect Ronald Reagan, Pete Wilson, George Dukmejian?

    Give me a break.

    No the Times picked Carly because she is the one Rep that Boxer stood an outside chance of retaining her Senate seat against.

    Quit helping them.

    papertiger (15e0b0)

  79. You know what bugs me about this crusade to drag down O’D

    What makes you think this is about dragging down O’donnell?

    It’s about refusing to shut up when a pack of nutcases who pose as tea partiers try to silence dissent.

    You, like many of these people, have absolutely no problem with ‘crusades’ to drag people down. You’re even demanding some of them, just against Republicans you don’t like.

    Again, pathetic. If you want some crusade against Carly, start a blog and rail against her. If you want to defend O’Donnell, however, demanding people shut up about her flaws is a pathetic argument.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  80. gary – Do you always wake up with a wedgie?

    Why don’t you and folks like papertiger and ian figure out some story lines to attack Coons on instead of telling people to shut up who write about O’Donnell? Hey, or start your own blogs or something if you don’t like the subjects written about here.

    I get it though, somebody is forcing you to read this blog. Tell the orderly to click on another url for you, mkay.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  81. As one who watched Pete from inside, he was no conservative, only less liberal than his opponents (he was pro-choice, and very squishy on the 2nd-Amendment).
    And, Deukmejian was a conservative in the Bob Dole sense: another tax collector for the welfare state;
    and again, less liberal than his opponents
    (remember, though he was elected thanks to the efforts of those opposed to banning handguns in 1982, he signed the Roberti-Roos Assault Weapons Ban in 1989).

    AD-RtR/OS! (fe9f09)

  82. BTW, we do get why papertiger and Levin are freaking out so much.

    You realize O’Donnell was the wrong nominee. You are afraid of the idea that moderate republicans could be a popular choice for pragmatic Tea Partiers, going forward, many of whom wish Castle had been the nominee. After all, we keep hearing how Coons is a communist marxist horrible guy who is so awful just about anybody would be way better. Well, we could have had somebody way better than Coons.

    That’s why Papertiger wants to bash Carly and others he deems as a RINO, and why he doesn’t offer an actual defense of O’Donnell other than “look over there!” and “shut up!”.

    We knew a long time ago that if O’Donnell was nominated, her lack of character would lead to a democrat winning the race. Reform candidates have to be excellent, not average, and certainly not career politicians with zero experience or integrity. They also have to be electable in a general election.

    The reason Levin and Heavensent and the rest of these folks are so insecure about this even being discussed is because O’Donnell is a powerful lesson against picking ideology alone. For people with poor character, or gasbags trying to hijack a movement for their own ego and fame, this kind of sober approach to elections just doesn’t favor their personal interests enough.

    They don’t really give a crap that it’s better for the United States in a time of crisis.

    Also, these people who continuously argue that we should compromise on basic ethical principles now were the ones demanding no compromise in the primary. They were insincere. I realize it’s easy to mistake what i’m saying for support of Castle. But what I’m saying is you have to replace RINOs more carefully or we wind up with Coons. Telling us to shut up now doesn’t help O’donnell win the general at all, and it’s really meant to interfere with the case for being pragmatic in the future.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  83. Awww, did the mild Mr. P send his D&D heros out to poke sticks in the wabid wabbits cage?

    I’m busy annoying the Libs up here in Mother B’s 6th?

    The line here is precisely the same: She’s a wacko ditz, an embarrassment, a liar, in bed with donors under investigation, a tool of BP, a JD from Oral is worthless,…

    Brown shirts use the same method wherever they’re found.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  84. Playing real-politik
    Yes, the GOP/TEA Party might have cost itself the chance for a GOP pick-up in DE by nominating COD over Castle;
    but, Castle has been an embarrassement for way too long, and the opportunity to be rid of him was too delicious to turn away from.
    I remember Rick Santorem being a “good soldier” and endorsing/campaigning for Snarlin’ Arlen back in the ’04 primary against Toomey, and that action cost him the support of many conservatives who sat on their hands when it was his turn to be re-elected, and the Dems picked up a seat.
    Toomey will finally get his place in the Senate by taking Turncoat Arlen’s place
    (James Taranto likes to describe Arlen as (R2D2-PA), I prefer the description “R1D2″ as he’s been a Dem twice – at the beginning and at the end of his political career).

    The moral of the story is that the GOP establishment needs to BUTT-OUT of primaries, and let the people decide, for better or worse.
    If they can’t do that, they will go the way of the Whigs which spawned them.

    AD-RtR/OS! (fe9f09)

  85. AD,

    I agree with you. There is a huge silver lining to Castle being out. There’s also a lesson against ousting Castle with someone like O’donnell. I’m happy to see both these lessons absorbed.

    And, of course, the GOP needs to butt out of primaries, but that doesn’t mean electability in the general isn’t a major issue.

    Gary, at this point, is trolling. His paranoia that Patterico is sending me out is bizarre, but he’s probably unserious about that. I think it’s hilarious that he’s here to tell us to stop talking about this topic, while also calling us brownshirts. No, Gary, I’m not a Nazi, and I am not oppressing you. Maybe you should switch to decaf or drink a little less beer with your lunch.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  86. “The moral of the story is that the GOP establishment needs to BUTT-OUT of primaries”

    Right on. The hoped for red card isn’t possible without a party machine. Yeah Ok, the TEA may have to succeed in spite of fail-safes. But the machine, or at least this incarnation, will go.

    Plan B is ready, and C.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  87. “I’m busy annoying the Libs up here in Mother B’s 6th?”

    gary – Then why don’t you annoy some Coons supporters instead of conservatives? Gave you gotten hit in the head by too many pucks or something?

    daleyrocks (940075)

  88. “the opportunity to be rid of him was too delicious to turn away from”

    And the whole point going in, bird in hand worth two… Yeah, the chameleons say it was positive now, but they’re just saving face. Their position is effectively the same, O’D is verboten, Coons tainted, but we can live with him.

    Frankly I fear the lies my toddler makes less than someone who can steal her college education before I can detect them.

    Dustin’s good, but there’s nothing right with that.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  89. Hey Gary, you say I’m tolerating Coons, but I’ve been going out of my way to discuss his problems, link his own campaign site, etc, quite a lot. I believe in this very thread.

    You guys said he was no worse than Mike Castle, and you now say he is far worse than even a normal democrat. I point that out because it’s proof you are not reliable.

    Again, you just want to shut down the lesson learned from the huge mistake of nominating O’donnell when RINO hunting. We’re not helping elect Coons. In fact, I think I’ve been much more effective at criticizing him than you have been.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  90. Recent Poll shows she is losing by about 18 points.

    She could get about half of that gap closed by simply convincing a lot of Republicans to support her.

    But a lot of those people are going to be difficult to reach, because they probably didn’t like O’Donnell’s primary tactics (accusing reporters of being on the Castle payroll, the ‘is he gay?’ thing, the shift from Coons being the same as Castle to now being Joe Stalin).

    What I think is interesting is that she’s lost ground on the right, but is still doing about the same (badly) as she did in 2008. I think a lot of independents are trying to vote against the democrat. Hopefully there are two silver linings in this race. Squishes are pressured towards reform, and more and more people are sold on limited government, even in blue states.

    However, this is not a close race and there are many closer ones we could use a little more money and support in. I’d actually hope O’Donnell sends some of her campaign money to places like Nevada, but I’m sure people would totally flip out.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  91. You know what Dustin, I’m sure the people of Delaware will be able to bear it, ‘when electricity
    prices naturally skyrocket,’ they can amuse themselves with wow, she was a witch, now let me
    burn this desk for fuel

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  92. LOL.

    That’s a very good point, Ian. Cap and Trade was an absolute abomination of a vote, and while it justifies the passionate booting of Castle and opposition to Coons, I note that the ultimate end, if we do not carefully boot Castle types with better candidates is not a Senator O’Donnell, but rather this mess.

    Damn, that’s one sentence. I suck.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  93. Shocking headline … Dustin does not like O’Donnell.

    JD (a61253)

  94. I don’t mean to yammer on endlessly about O’donnell, JD. I sincerely am trying to argue about a more important point.

    But indeed people can weigh my views knowing I have a personal dislike of Dr. O’Donnell, Esq.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  95. “I’m busy annoying the Libs up here in Mother B’s 6th?”

    Somehow I doubt the Libs up in Mother B’s 6th understand gary’s comments any better than the folks here, but I’ll bet they find them equally annoying.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  96. The last word???

    Just got around to reading Mark Steyn’s column in Sunday’s OCRegister, where he finished with this:

    “…Two thoughts:
    First, any young woman (as she then was) willing to go on MTV, before a live audience, and attack masturbation certainly doesn’t want for courage.
    As to her alleged dabbling with “witchcraft”, so what?
    Several readers suggest Ms O’Donnell use Sinatra’s “Witchcraft” as her campaign theme song.
    No, no, no.
    She should use the theme from “Bewitched”:
    All she had to do was twitch her nose, and Mike Castle vanished.”

    AD-RtR/OS! (fe9f09)

  97. “a JD from Oral”

    – Courtesy to translate that into human talk, Gary?

    Icy Texan (40606d)

  98. “I’ll bet they find them equally annoying”

    Flatterer.

    “a JD from Oral” Law Degree. Now, was that really hard? Would you like me to be more verbose? I think not.

    gary gulrud (790d43)

  99. Salieri had a less jaundiced view of Mozart, Dustin,

    ian cormac (6709ab)

  100. O’Donnell winning would be icing on the cake. Mike Castle is not a rino, not with the work he did on the (totalitarian) DISCLOSE act. He’s co-sponsor of DISCLOSE. ACU gave him something like a 52 for off-year votes. Like McCain, he tightens up around election year. Michelle was first to endorse followed by Palin, then DeMint. I viewed the guy as a real danger. As the most liberal GOP in the house (again, ACU), am delighted he was ousted. His support of disclose completely negates political opposition:

    >> the idea that moderate republicans could be a popular choice for pragmatic Tea Partiers, going forward, many of whom wish Castle had been the nominee. <<

    Castle is not a rino.

    Vermont Neighbor (81a42e)

  101. Castle is not a rino.

    Huh? He didn’t call himself a Republican??

    Patterico (c218bd)

  102. Well, he’s certainly a Republican with totalitarian instincts. AGW… DISCLOSE… and now, a new bank rescue bill just reported on. I think with the nation more involved with elections, the next few years should propel some worthy candidates. I sure as heck would rather have COD in the Senate in exchange for the serial robbers infesting the hill (Dodd, Frank, Rangel, Waters, Pelosi etc.). Not that the DE race delivers that option; I’m okay with that. Would like a Senate majority but suspect Castle would’ve switched if the Chicago mob needed him that badly.

    Vermont Neighbor (f89659)

  103. Salieri had a less jaundiced view of Mozart, Dustin,

    Comment by ian cormac

    I really love this comment.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  104. WITCH !!!!!!!! BURN HER !!!!!!!!!!

    JD (0b7af0)

  105. You can burn them because they float, which means they are made of wood, which weighs as much as a duck.

    Dustin (c16eca)

  106. If we end up like argentina with people getting their pensions confiscated to fund the partyholic lfestyles of the rich and greedy leftwing politicians the shinola will hit the fan.

    DohBiden (984d23)


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