Patterico's Pontifications

10/3/2010

Mexican Pirates Kill American Citizen

Filed under: General,Immigration — Patterico @ 11:48 am

The San Antonio Express-News recently reported:

Gunmen presumed to be Mexican drug gangsters opened fire Wednesday on a couple riding personal watercraft on the binational Falcon Lake reservoir, striking the husband in the head and chasing his frantic wife into U.S. waters.

Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo Gonzalez said the McAllen tourists were exploring the area around Old Guerrero, a once-submerged town on the Mexican side of the lake, when they came under a spray of bullets by two boatloads of men.

David Michael Hartley, 30, was shot in the head. His wife, Tiffany Hartley, 29, circled back to pull her husband onto the watercraft, using it as a shield, but the gunmen continued shooting at her, even after she crossed back to the U.S. side, Gonzalez said.

A subsequent story by the Denver Post makes it clear this sort of violence is not isolated:

The trip was ill-advised, [Zapata County Sheriff Sigifredo] Gonzalez said, because of a recent spate of robberies by Zetitas, younger members of a regional drug cartel. In April and May, the pirates robbed tourists on the lake, which is the site of nationally televised largemouth bass fishing contests. Falcon Reservoir, created by a dam on the Rio Grande, at times is filled with hundreds of fishing boats.

Gonzalez had been regularly appearing on national news programs in recent months warning people not to cross over to the Mexican side of the lake.

This link lists details of several recent incidents:

Previous pirating incidents

April 30: Four heavily armed men boarded two boats near the Old Guerrero area demanding money. The bandits were given $200 in cash and tried to follow the U.S. boats as they sped back to U.S. waters. The bandits stopped once they reached the U.S. boundary.

May 6: Two armed men approached a boat near Marker 14 on the north side of Salado Island on top of the ruins at Old Guerrero. The men demanded money, which the fishermen gave them.

May 16: Five armed men boarded a boat on the United States side of the lake near Marker 7. Investigators have no further information on the incident.

Aug 31: Falcon Lake pirates, using a small boat marked “Game Wardin” with duct-taped letters to possibly mimic Texas Parks and Wildlife vessels, attempted to stop a Texas fisherman. His knowledge of previous DPS safety warnings about Falcon Lake and the misspelling of the word “Warden” alerted the fisherman that something was wrong and he outran the Mexican vessel to safety.

Source: Texas Department of Public Safety.

Isn’t the federal government supposed to protect us from piracy?

Meanwhile, Mexican mayors are upset that we are sending Mexican criminals back to Mexico:

A coalition of Mexican mayors has asked the United States to stop deporting illegal immigrants who have been convicted of serious crimes in the U.S. to Mexican border cities, saying the deportations are contributing to Mexican border violence.

I can think of one thing the U.S. should stop sending to Mexico: money. Until they help us control our borders, crack down on their own criminals, and stop whining when we send theirs back.

71 Responses to “Mexican Pirates Kill American Citizen”

  1. Too right we stop sending them money. We don’t send them squat but their own people back until they enforce their side of the border AND help us build a wall on the north side of their border. THEY are building a wall to their south because of illegals traveling into Mexico. WTF?

    Vivian Louise (c7cad6)

  2. Wouldn’t it be nice, Vivian Louise, if the MSM had some good front page stories on how Mexico, specifically, handles its Southern border?

    Ah, but that is different.

    Me, I am a big believer in reciprocity. We can change our rules as they change theirs.

    Eric Blair (2e5551)

  3. the flow of the snow
    from below’s steady as she
    go there will be blood

    ColonelHaiku (fb9945)

  4. I didn’t read where the Mexican mayors noted that it’s monetarily way more convenient for the U. S. courts to deal with these criminals rather than their own country. Apparently the United States should be willing to assume their responsibility to try them, sentence them and incarcerate them if necessary because if they go back to Mexico, it will just be more unemployed, uneducated and unmotivated citizens demanding government help, or worse, joining the cartels because that’s where the money is. Either way it points to the severe shortcomings of Mexico’s ruling class.

    As the article states, […] if they are wanted for crimes in Mexico, they are also met by representatives from the Mexican Attorney General’s Office.

    But if they don’t have charges pending against them in Mexico, they are free men and women once they cross the border regardless of what they have done in the U.S.

    I just don’t see how this is our problem and I resent the impotent mayors attempting to make it ours.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  5. The Arizona Republic constantly carries sob stories on the front page about Illegals (they don’t ever call them that of course) and bleat about how hard done by they are. Last week a woman was blaming America because her 14 year old son is missing, presumed dead, after attempting to cross the border. That would be the son she abandoned in Mexico and then allowed to cross the border to re-join her with someone from their village. Nice parenting skills. She also bemoaned the lack of opportunities in Mexico and stated she came to America to start her own business: her self-admitted eighth grade education notwithstanding.
    And it’s all our fault, natch!

    Gazzer (c062b1)

  6. Meanwhile, a large percentage of the Mexican electorate — year after year, decade after decade — continues to think and act like the stereotypical voter throughout urban America—ie, giving a million benefits of the doubt to parties and politicians of the left, not so much (if any) to others.

    They reap what they sow.

    wnd.com, June 30, 2006

    Mexico will be holding its presidential election on July 2, which will determine whether Mexico, with its nearly 2,000 mile border with the U.S., joins an emerging anti-American Marxist alliance in Latin America.

    Ultra-left Marxist candidate of the Party of the Democratic Revolution, or PRD, Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador, continues to outpoll his more mainstream socialist PRI [Mexico’s version of the Democrat Party] and center right PAN party opponents in the in the final run-up to the Mexican presidential election scheduled for Sunday.

    Obrador is a close ally of Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez who is himself a close ally of Communist Cuban President Fidel Castro.

    Even under the relatively friendly government of [PAN-affiliated] Vicente Fox, as Heather Mac Donald pointed out last November, “Mexican officials here and abroad are involved in a massive and almost daily interference in American sovereignty.” Imagine what representatives of an unfriendly Mexican apparatus might do.

    ^ The candidate from Mexico’s PAN Party, current Mexican President Felipe Calderón, won the election in 2006 — but just barely (by only a 0.58% margin) — because his ultra-liberal competitor, Obrador, split the left with the candidate from the PRI Party.

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  7. Patterico, horrible story- if it’s true.
    Have they found a body yet? Other than the
    wife, were there any other witnesses? The
    stories I’ve seen are pretty sketchy. The
    story could be 100% true but, in most instances like this, isn’t the spouse the first suspect?
    Were there bullet holes? Instead of pirates, could it have been some drunken Americans?.
    Aren’t you somewhat jumping to conclusions?

    Jimboster (fe0b27)

  8. A bit surprised not to be reading about gun battles on the water. Most fishermen I know are also avid hunters, and not likely to be very forgiving of people who patrol the lake to commit robbery.

    Of course, when an American shoots back and kills a Mexican pirate, then we’ll hear about the violence of our 2nd Amendment culture, and the racism of American fishermen.

    Gesundheit (aab7c6)

  9. By the way, Jimboster, the article claims of the sheriff that, “He said an independent witness corroborated the attack and its incursion into U.S. waters.”

    Read first. Before suggesting that the grieving widow is a murderer, you might pause, especially if you’re thinking of accusing others of jumping to conclusions.

    Gesundheit (aab7c6)

  10. Sometime soon the Mexican military is going to have to act decisively. The Mexican government has utterly failed and the rule of law has collapsed. Large portions of the country are ruled by gangs. At some point either the Mexican military acts or the US military will have to.

    Kevin M (298030)

  11. Those pirates were only trying to support their families and build a better life. It is cruel to infer that they did anything wrong….They didn’t mean to shoot someone in the head and chase the wife far into our border. Their guns got out of control and kept firing. They acted out of pure well-meaning intentions and their work as drug couriers and cartel stooges is not their fault.

    Come on, like the Narcocorrido drug ballads glorify: murder, torture, racketeering, extortion, drug and human smuggling, illegal immigration and racism? Oh, come on. They’re just high spirited! Their misdeeds, insane violence and thuggery are only misguided conduct.

    The perps are so young…. only 35!!

    dudeabides (92beba)

  12. Mexico is in worse shape than Iraq right now and, if the leftist candidate wins the presidency, we will really have a border problem. I remember when a leftist, I think it was Echevaria, was elected. He had campaigned on a promise of land to the campesinos. Once he took office there were huge migrations of campesinos onto private land, especially the big farms in the central north which are the exporters of vegetables. Lots of violence. That was 20 some years ago.

    Mike K (568408)

  13. Gesundheit, Patterico,
    I did miss the Sheriff’s comments about the the witness- mea culpa, mea maxima culpa.

    Jimboster (fe0b27)

  14. WTF was the point of your comment, Jimboster?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  15. Isn’t the federal government supposed to protect us from piracy?

    Don’t worry, I’m sure the feds will take care of this pronto.

    Patricia (9b018a)

  16. #12

    Echeverria was also the architect of the Tlateloco massacre in 1968, something many on the left will never forget.

    Angeleno (196ff8)

  17. Outrageous.

    Terrye (7c855d)

  18. Jimboster – This is probably part of the same International Jewish Conspiracy that caused CNN to fire Rick Sanchez on Friday, the smartest news anchor on cable television.

    daleyrocks (940075)

  19. Daley, I thought it was part of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy… did I miss a memo somewhere?

    ConservativeWanderer (b8d454)

  20. daleyrocks : You’re a sharp cookie. Hee!e Hee! Hee!

    Jimboster (fe0b27)

  21. I blame the couple for making such a trip into such a dangerous territory. While I sympathize with her, Mrs Tiffany Hartley, for her loss, I think this could have been avoided.

    The Emperor (6e616b)

  22. Does the Texas State Police/Rangers have a Marine Department?
    And, if so, perhaps they need to outfit a few small boats as Q-ships for use in these waters.
    The best way to end piracy is to end pirates!
    Some Predator drones might come in handy also – if they come with Hellfires.
    How long, Gov. Perry, are you going to tolerate this crap?

    AD-RtR/OS! (b5fc01)

  23. Sad to say, but a big part of the problem here is the drug trade. Millions of drug-using Americans have no respect for the law, and couldn’t care less about the violence that the drug trade causes. This disrespect for law has grown over the years, as our intelligentsia has espoused the notion that no law is really binding if it’s not a reasonable and moral law that respects everyone’s privacy and doesn’t inflict much punishment. Of course no criminal believes that the law he’s violating satisfies all these requirements. The “law” in America is increasingly a joke, and we may as well go ahead and repeal the drug laws, if our judiciary doesn’t get to it first (I can already envision the 5-4 Supreme Court decision declaring that if our founders had been wiser they would have explicitly forbidden these wanton and irrational invasions of individual privacy which are henceforth barred by the 14th Amendment).

    Andrew (22f2c5)

  24. I await Calderon’s severe scolding once again, this time for allowing our citizens to violate Mexican territory.

    Dmac (84da91)

  25. It’s all the fault of Texas gun-dealers for selling those guns into Mexico used by the thugs…
    Oh, wait, they probably stole them from a Mexican Army arsenal…
    Well, there goes that Calderon, SCM excuse.

    AD-RtR/OS! (b5fc01)

  26. “I can think of one thing the U.S. should stop sending to Mexico: money. Until they help us control our borders, crack down on their own criminals, and stop whining when we send theirs back.”

    Uh-huh. Alas, Mexico remains the second largest source of imported oil to the U.S.:

    July 2010 Import Highlights: Released September 29, 2010

    ‘Canada remained the largest exporter of total petroleum in July, exporting 2.534 million barrels per day to the United States, which is a decrease from last month (2.711 thousand barrels per day). The second largest exporter of total petroleum was Mexico with 1.289 million barrels per day.’

    source: http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_publications/company_level_imports/current/import.html

    DCSCA (9d1bb3)

  27. The Coast Guard should shoot the pirates…

    SteveG (cc5dc9)

  28. DSCSA was a pirate too. And, he used to break bread with Blackbeard.

    JD (467394)

  29. If Martha’s Vineyard were on the border, we’d have put the Great Wall to shame years ago.

    Sycophantshateme (4f78d0)

  30. I didn’t realize it but the Obama Administration is withholding 15% of American foreign aid to Mexico under the $1.4B Merida Initiative because of its human rights abuses:

    The Merida Initiative was a 2008 commitment from the U.S. to help Mexico combat drug cartels. Under the rules, the State Department must certify that Mexico is banning torture, prosecuting law enforcement agents and soldiers who abuse civil rights before allocating all of the funds.

    A State Department report sent to the Senate this week commends the Mexican government for cracking down on torture, improving transparency and listening to human rights groups’ allegations that about military abuses.

    But the report, which has not been publicly released, said the government needs to be more public and aggressive when investigating and prosecuting allegations of abuse by security forces.

    I wonder how the Administration arrived at 15%? Given the level of violence and corruption we’ve seen, it seems like Mexico’s human rights problems are far more widespread.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  31. DRJ…That’s their SocSec contribution.

    JD…when Duckcrap breaks bread with Blackbeard, do you think he dresses the same as when consulting with Von Braun?

    AD-RtR/OS! (b5fc01)

  32. ___________________________________

    if the leftist candidate wins the presidency

    Just in case you were referring to the snippet I posted previously, the election involving a ultra-leftist running for Mexico’s presidency occurred back in 2006. I don’t know if the same guy will try to latch onto that office in the future, but beyond him, Mexico’s political scene is similar to the scene found in urban or inner-city America, particularly places like the city of Bell. That’s where the only qualification most voters are concerned about is that a candidate and his or her policies be mindlessly pro-Democrat-Party, mindlessly pro-liberal. Generally, others (certainly rightists and even true-blue centrists too) need not apply.

    Mark (411533)

  33. Mexican Pirates Kill American Citizen

    Methinks we need to turn this around. I mean target practice, boys and girls, I mean target practice. This. Is. War. These sleazeballs have declared it so lets finish it. With extreme prejudice.

    PatriotRider (17f47b)

  34. How close is Mexico to being a “failed state”?

    MD in Philly (5a98ff)

  35. How close is Mexico to being a “failed state”?

    Comment by MD in Philly — 10/3/2010 @ 7:12 pm

    Well given some real effort on the part of the people and politicians there, and more than a bit of good luck, they might improve to ‘failed state’ status in another decade.

    D (43a3c4)

  36. Mexico has socialized medicine. And no death penalty. We can all learn something from this gentle and artistic culture, with great food and music.

    /sarc off

    TimesDisliker (d4a623)

  37. 10. part of Mexico’s problem is that the military has a history of “intervening”. Santa Ana was merely the first of a long line of generals who thought they could be El Presidente.

    BTW, what’s involved here is simply armed robbery and murder, not piracy. Piracy happens on the high seas, which excluded artificial lakes, no matter how big they are. (See the definition in Black’s, fifth edition).

    kishnevi (3a3033)

  38. Mexico is very close to a failed state. They have been relatively lawless for a long time, at least 40 years, but it is getting much worse lately. THe government has little or no control over the northern parts of the country near the US border.

    Mike K (568408)

  39. Are you sure this can’t legally be piracy, kishnevi?

    You may be right but I think piracy is defined as certain crimes committed in international waters, which includes the high seas and other international waters. Apparently Falcon Lake is classified an international reservoir and thus it might be considered international waters.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  40. Wiki has a Failed States Index in which Mexico remains in the ‘Warning’ phase (rankings of Alert, Warning, Moderate, Sustainable ). I’m curious where they would rank without any American aid.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  41. Mexico and its thugs pose a dire threat to the security of the United States, to the safety of its citizens along the border, and to the economic health of border states. We need to go to Defcon One all along our southern border, every inch border. War footing. War protocol.

    Kevin Stafford (abdb87)

  42. Comment by Kevin Stafford — 10/3/2010 @ 8:06 pm

    You do realize that Defcon one means the nukes are probably bouncing off of the cities across the globe don’t you?

    http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/usa/c3i/defcon.htm

    VOR2 (f73d58)

  43. I’m going to say some things that may piss some people off but, you know, what the hell.

    The immediate problem at our southern border is organized crime. The reason it is so powerful is because we have at least three generations of Americans who like to smoke dope and snort cocaine and a few that like heroin, but they tend to end up dead before they cause a real problem.

    In other words, it is an economic situation. There is a huge market in the United States for the products that Mexico can provide.

    We can all sit around and say Mexico is a failed state, yada yada yada. And it is, but we are complicit in its failure.

    Nonetheless, money follows the easiest path.

    We can say, seal the borders. That’s a good idea, but we’ve already lost the battle because we also say, do whatever you want if it feels good.

    I really don’t care if you smoke a doobie or sniff a few lines, it’s not my business.

    But, it is the problem.

    Ag80 (93f9d9)

  44. Sometime soon the Mexican military is going to have to act decisively.

    You’re kidding, right?

    Blacque Jacques Shellacque (609d83)

  45. DRJ–Black’s talks about the high seas but does not mention international waters. And this paragraph from your link seems to me to be saying a place like Lake Falcon is not the kind of place where piracy can take place.
    In international law piracy is a crime that can be committed only on or over international waters (including the high seas, exclusive economic zone, and the contiguous zone), in international airspace, and in other places beyond the territorial jurisdiction of any nation. The same acts committed in the internal waters, territorial sea, archipelagic waters, or national airspace of a nation do not constitute piracy in international law but are, instead, crimes within the jurisdiction and sovereignty of the littoral nation.

    Of course whatever you call these acts, they are still crimes, and the question remains: what do we do in the face of the fact that the Mexicans can not enforce their own laws in their own territory (ie, the Mexican side of the lake).

    kishnevi (391c85)

  46. _________________________________________

    And it is, but we are complicit in its failure.

    You actually can turn that around and say if we Americans didn’t waste our dollars on narcotics, the gangs in Mexico, deprived of one major source of income, would resort to even MORE of the following:

    NPR.org, August 26, 2010:

    As Mexico pushes forward with its offensive against the drug cartels, violence has spread and the country has been rocked recently by a wave of high-profile kidnappings.

    One of the most powerful political figures in the country, Diego Fernandez de Cevallos, known as “El Jefe Diego,” is currently being held for ransom. Last week the mayor of a small city outside Monterrey was abducted, tortured and eventually killed. Over the weekend Olegario Guzman Orquiz, a prominent construction magnate in Chihuahua state and close friend of the governor-elect, was grabbed from his country club.

    Official statistics on reported kidnappings in Mexico show a 15 percent increase in the crime this year, but security analysts say official figures grossly undercount abductions. Most victims never report what happened to the authorities.

    Kidnapping in Mexico doesn’t only affect the wealthy. People from all levels of society — farmers, street vendors, small-business owners, professionals — get kidnapped.

    There are no codes. There are no boundaries. There are no limits. There is a high degree of impunity. That’s the big worry of all of us that live in Mexico. There were limits in the past; now there are no limits.

    The most high-profile kidnapping case currently in Mexico is the politician Fernandez, 69, who was snatched from his Hummer in May. Fernandez is a leader of President Felipe Calderon’s political party, the PAN. He also was the runner-up in the 1994 presidential election.

    In June, his captors released photos of the man, shirtless, gaunt and blindfolded. The local press reports that the ransom demand for Fernandez started at $50 million.

    Carlos Seoane, vice president of Pinkerton Consulting & Investigations in Mexico, says kidnapping in Mexico is a business. The sophistication of the kidnappers varies, he says, but it’s always an organized crime.

    Seoane says that one of the difficulties in Mexico is that the drug cartels have now gotten into kidnapping to supplement their income. He says some of these gangs don’t understand the complexity of ransom negotiations and they also tend to be much more violent. Seoane says there used to be a criminal code of conduct in Mexico, but not any longer.

    Politicians have been calling for increased prison terms, and the government has offered million-dollar rewards for some of Mexico’s most notorious kidnappers. Yet according to official statistics the number of reported abductions continues to rise.

    Mark (411533)

  47. kishnevi.

    I’m not sure Black’s is the be-all and end-all and I have heard the term used even to refer to those committing raids across international borders on dry land.

    What the strict legal definition is, I don’t know, but it seems like an appropriate word for the layman. At least appropriate enough that I’m not sure why you’re quibbling over it.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  48. DRJ:
    This lake/resevoir cannot be considered International Waters as there is a Line of Demarcation bisecting it with U.S.Territory on one side (Texas), and Mexican Territory on the other (Tamaulipas).

    AD-RtR/OS! (b5fc01)

  49. I agree with Andrew and Ag80. Let’s call it causation, rather than blame, but part of dealing with the problem has to be dealing with the illegal drug market.

    I’m a sober addict/alcoholic, full disclosure. I see drugs and alcohol as major moral, spiritual, physical, and public hazards. But then, our moral, spiritual, and public life is so degraded, I doubt we are capable of taking a position.

    If we can’t be serious about enforcing drug laws, and kill the market that way, then we should just make everything legal. Prohibition didn’t work, I’m not sure keeping drugs illegal will work.

    But we do bear some responsibility for the situation.

    jodetoad (7720fb)

  50. And therein lies the problem. As we speak drugs are illegal yet we make no effort to secure the border to prevent their entry. In fact as I have often said, there is absolutely, positively, unequivocally no problem on planet earth to which the solution is to secure the border. For this administration and many that have gone before. Yat California has decided to not prosecute marijuana possession if the amount is small. Why? Because they cannot afford to run it through the courts. When we cease enforcing laws for budgetary reasons we are about to enter a world of hurt.
    Plus, what do you think all those drug dealers will do if we legalize drugs. Become model citizens and librarians? We need to grow a pair and enforce both the drug laws and close the border or we may as well disband the police force and descend into anarchy. A nation of laws cannot enforce them randomly or capriciously and expect to survive.

    Gazzer (c062b1)

  51. _________________________________

    then we should just make everything legal

    And I’m sure if Mexico legalized kidnapping, the rate of people being abducted for ransom would go down too.

    Ding, ding, ding!! We’ve found the solution!

    Mark (3e3a7c)

  52. Damned right, Frey. Not one more centavo.

    Mitch (e40959)

  53. 22. I blame the couple for making such a trip into such a dangerous territory. While I sympathize with her, Mrs Tiffany Hartley, for her loss, I think this could have been avoided.
    Comment by The Emperor — 10/3/2010 @ 2:48 pm

    — The Emporer is blaming the victim here? Color me SHOCKA!

    Icy Texan (ec9185)

  54. 27. Patterico wrote: “I can think of one thing the U.S. should stop sending to Mexico: money.
    Disco Stu responded: Uh-huh. Alas, Mexico remains the second largest source of imported oil to the U.S.

    — But, of course, Patterico was refering to foreign aid, NOT oil purchases.

    Icy Texan (ec9185)

  55. so… international talk like a pirate day really was international speak spanish day?

    (sorry couldn’t resist.)

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  56. Claiming that if we all just stopped using illegal drugs the cartels would dry up and suddenly blow away is not only wishful thinking, but hopelessly naive. Who thinks that they wouldn’t just turn to other illegal activities instead? Do you honestly think that they’re going to give up their monstrous profits just because one market is taken away from them?

    Dmac (84da91)

  57. Well, I do have to agree with the Mexican mayors, we shouldn’t be sending these criminals back across the border. We should just kill them.

    Vivictius (1720ac)

  58. dmac

    Whose to say they would even get out of the business?

    I mean building has never been illegal. But we all know construction has alot of mob infiltration, especially in NYC.

    The key thing to get with criminal organization is it is about profit, not legality. if they could make as much money selling a legal product they would. and if you legalize drugs, they still might be able to.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  59. Just doing the piracy Americans won’t do.

    stari_momak (b9c8e2)

  60. They provoked the pirates with their in your face flaunting of wealth.Poor people can not afford those expensive water toys.Lets all blame the victims.

    dunce (b89258)

  61. “Please don’t squeeze the Charmin.” It’s not the flaunting of wealth, it’s the softness and superficiality.

    nk (db4a41)

  62. Comment by Icy Texan — 10/4/2010 @ 3:12 am

    Yes I am, Icy. Who do you blame? Who is responsible: The lion in his den or the foolish lamb that strayed into his (the lion’s) territory unprotected?

    The Emperor (6e616b)

  63. Well, the seas are not high there then; which I assume settles it.
    But if not,maybe we should go up to the Great Lakes and murder a few Canadians so we can get a ruling… but not during a storm; when the seas are high.

    Plus who ever heard a Mexican say “avast”?
    See?
    They can’t be pirates.

    Can we start dropping deported criminals at the border in the middle of the lake? Make ’em walk the plank?

    SteveG (cc5dc9)

  64. Who is responsible: The lion in his den or the foolish lamb

    When the lion is a human being who shot a person for no good reason, you hold the lion responsible.

    Trust me, Mexicans are normal people, just like white democrats, and just as capable of knowing that murder is wrong. Don’t practice the bigotry of low expectations. Arabs can be fans of democracy, Mexicans can resist murdering people who pass by on a boat, etc. No good reason not to hold these killers responsible.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  65. Look, I’m not that naive. Organized crime is organized crime.

    One thing we have going in our favor is that meth is easily produced and cheap. A whole lot of locally grown entrepreneurs are making sure the drug-consuming public is rapidly being reduced.

    Nonetheless, we can expect our local, state and federal government to enforce our laws.

    Dustin is right, Mexicans are well, people. Does anyone think they like the situation?

    My point is to start taking the border seriously. It’s not impossible, except, we have a whole lot of people in this nation who have other notions in mind.

    Ag80 (93f9d9)

  66. What the strict legal definition is, I don’t know, but it seems like an appropriate word for the layman.

    But you’re not a layman. And not only a lawyer, but a prosecutor. If someone should be able to use the proper terms for a specific crime, shouldn’t it be one of the folks responsible for getting the crime punished.

    Do you honestly think that they’re going to give up their monstrous profits just because one market is taken away from them?

    But they are going to have to work pretty hard to find a market where they can make as much profit as they do with drugs. When’s the last time you saw a black market for margaritas?

    kishnevi (c364a7)

  67. kishnevi,

    I agree that lawyers should use language properly but I think you’re missing the forest for the trees. Even the Texas DPS describes these as the acts of pirates:

    •Aug 31: Falcon Lake pirates, using a small boat marked “Game Wardin” using duct-taped letters to possibly mimic Texas Parks and Wildlife vessels operating in Texas waters, attempted to stop a Texas fisherman. His knowledge of previous DPS safety warnings about Falcon Lake and the misspelling of the word “Warden” alerted the fisherman that something was wrong and he outran the Mexican vessel to safety.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  68. Can’t we just deal with this the old fashioned, Texas way?

    One riot, One Ranger!
    I’d suggest sending him there at the controls of an F-15 Eagle.

    AD-RtR/OS! (878407)

  69. See, if this were a lake on the Afghan/Pakistan border, we would kill the bad guys with an airstrike.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  70. Hey, don’t laugh – who wants to bet that we’ll see an entire armada of Predator Drones on the border by next year (provided they can build them that fast)?

    Dmac (84da91)


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