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8/25/2008

Day 1 of the Democratic National Convention (Updated)

Filed under: 2008 Election — DRJ @ 7:07 pm



[Guest post by DRJ]

This is an open thread for comments on Day 1 of the Democratic National Convention. Click here for the full Monday schedule.

Day 1 has been broken down into segments. Nancy Pelosi and Howard Dean opened the Convention and took care of business matters in the pre-7PM segment. It seems President Jimmy Carter was relegated to an honorary video without any/extensive live remarks.

However, in the coveted 7-9PM segment, I count 17 speakers or videos including:

Senator Edward M. Kennedy Tribute by Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg
(Daughter of the late President John F. Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy)

The Honorable Claire McCaskill, US Senator, Missouri

Video – Michelle Obama Package

Introduction to the Michelle Obama Package – Craig Robinson
(Older brother of Michelle Obama)

Remarks – Michelle Obama
(Wife of Presidential Candidate Barack Obama)”

The “Michelle Obama Package“? I assume this is a reference to her segment but did they really need to phrase it like that in the official schedule?

UPDATE: CBS posted a “sneak peek” of one paragraph of Michelle Obama’s speech. Unlike Michelle Malkin’s version, this one is apparently for real [emphasis supplied]:

“Barack and I were raised with so many of the same values: that you work hard for what you want in life; that your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do; that you treat people with dignity and respect, even if you don’t know them, and even if you don’t agree with them. And Barack and I set out to build lives guided by these values, and pass them on to the next generation. Because we want our children – and all children in this nation – to know that the only limit to the height of your achievements is the reach of your dreams and your willingness to work for them.”

“[T]hat your word is your bond and you do what you say you’re going to do …”
Except when it comes to public campaign financing, FISA, DC handgun, off-shore drilling, …

— DRJ

357 Responses to “Day 1 of the Democratic National Convention (Updated)”

  1. Just reported: Camo fatigues, high power rifles, kevlar vests and more were found. I believe the report said two men were in custody. Apparently they claim there was a plot to assassinate Obama while he spoke thursday night with a rifle sighted to 750 yards…

    I’ll be the first to say it…

    Who ever is connected to this to further such a plot should die.

    Slowly.

    I would like to listen to their screams.

    As much as I dislike Sen Obama, he is MY Senator, and he’s running for President. Don’t like that? work to convince others to not vote for him. This shit? Pure bushleage…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  2. Sounds a bit whacky to me, Scott. I’ve seen the local coverage here about the arrests and it does not really add up. Sure it is Colorado, but camo fatigues don’t really blend in to Invesco Field unless they are in orange and blue.

    We’ll have to see what really turns up. Denver PD also arrested a guy downtown over the weekend who was carrying rifles for a safari to Africa.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  3. Folks, you cannot get the full effect without watching MSNBC.

    JD (5f0e11)

  4. http://www.denverpost.com/livecam

    Police have pepper sprayed protestors. Isn’t that special?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  5. 750 yards puts them outside the field… Likely a tall building with LOS…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  6. I’m sure you people are quite disappointed that Michelle didn’t come off as a castrating harridan.

    That’s Michelle Malkin’s job anyway.

    The Obama girls were major adorable.

    And Teddy Kennedy actually mentioned gays.

    David Ehrenstein (1d6679)

  7. Scott, there really isn’t one. The nearest is a hotel but it does not have a line of sight to the field.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  8. Scott Jacobs @ 7:50 pm

    I know what you mean. But you’re protecting him more in life than he protects half-born babies, gasping on the clinic shelf.

    No harm his way. But no regrets if he’s just a national footnote next year. Truth.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  9. I only heard the last few minutes of her speech…well presented, yet, if you actually listened to what she was saying, you heard so many government programs to be provided along with a booming economy….

    Does either of them, Barack or Michelle, even consider you can’t have both??? That there isn’t enough money in the economy to do both???

    If the economy is booming, and the government takes too much of it to give all the benefits, the economy will slow, stagnate….and there won’t be enough money…..

    Or, is it possible that my thoughts are so completely wrong???

    reff (b68a4f)

  10. But you’re protecting him more in life than he protects half-born babies, gasping on the clinic shelf.

    That is, really, not a very honest description of an abortion, and I suspect you know it, VN…

    And his stance on any issue does not abate my rage at the idea of any plot to murder him…

    Though as I saw images of Ward Churchill amongst the protestors, I must admit I was hoping to see a little laser dot on his forehead.

    Yes I’m a horrible person. This shouldn’t surprise any of you… Need I remind you of my opinion on Torture?

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  11. reff, neither of them have any clue about economics.

    Scott, in this case, we’ve just got a couple of meth addicts who told a story to Aurora PD. Aurora wants to make sure it gets a piece of all the Federal funds floating around. And they’ve got some recent incompetence to cover up with some sensationalist press.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  12. That is, really, not a very honest description of an abortion

    Partial birth? I guess we have to agree to disagree. Torture without the fatigues..

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  13. This is terrible, not to mention ‘unnecessary’ — as it relates to the mindset of these scumbags.

    John McCain is going to win.

    To anyone out there with the same lunatic ideas as the disturbed individuals,

    Calm down. Check yourself into the nearest hospital with the shirts that tie in the back. Kick back and relax for awhile. The rest of us will vote John McCain into office, and everything will be okay. . . .

    Unless you have a problem with him too.
    In that case, fuck off and die.

    Icy Truth (b746b7)

  14. Only a few papers appear to have picked up the AP report about another rally today in Denver, that one an anti-illegalimmigration rally featuring BobBarr that was attended by a whopping few dozen people.

    What they should have done is described at my name’s link, and doing that is going to be required before we can “deport the criminals first”. That’s also what non-Dem bloggers who are there should be doing instead of the low-hanging fruit of taking pictures of the extremist protesters.

    The details (e10679)

  15. Michelle Obama was fine but I thought Ted Kennedy did the best of the major speakers this evening.

    Thanks to JD, I watched the after-party at MSNBC. Keith Olbermann is not a journalist. Tom Brokaw must be embarrassed to work with him.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  16. DRJ – I liked Jimmah Carter’s speech 😉

    MSNBC cannot go 5 minutes without bringing up race.

    JD (5f0e11)

  17. Though as I saw images of Ward Churchill amongst the protestors, I must admit I was hoping to see a little laser dot on his forehead.

    With any luck, they will conduct a waterboarding demonstration and Ward will volunteer.

    Patricia (f56a97)

  18. SPQR….thanks for the reassurance….I’m just a teacher, with minimal knowledge of economics, so, what I know is not extensive, but, simple knowledge tells me that they can’t do what they’re saying, without KILLING the economy in the process…..

    Of course, that could be the plan, since they need more “non-taxpaying, feed at the gov’t trough” citizens….

    reff (b68a4f)

  19. JD, that was racist, you racist….

    reff (b68a4f)

  20. Sorry, DRJ. But it is educational, on some level.

    JD (5f0e11)

  21. Like he’d do that. Man’s one of the biggest cowards I have ever seen…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  22. I have to say, Juan Williams moved me. I can’t stand Michelle O, but I’m glad a lot of people got to see an A-A candidate’s wife up there.

    Patricia (f56a97)

  23. John McCain is going to win.

    Appreciate you guys live blogging for us. It’s never good to feel too complacent or comfortable, though. Make your McCain donation before the 31st. Give time; write letters to the editor, send off envelopes. Because tonight’s escapade was prettily crafted with every bit of homespun Americana squeezed in, right next to the changey dreamy hope stuff.

    Michelle said something about the world could be better? We don’t have to settle? I guess she can settle with Darfur or Saddam or suicide bombers… whatever is off her personal agenda. Elegant looking package of deceit and danger.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  24. Yeah, Ward would force one of his acolytes to do it.

    Patricia (f56a97)

  25. The only lasting organization (KKK) formed by the democrats don’t like the selection for POTUS and has turned against them, what next? Will a media organization other than FOX starts broadcasting unbiased news? Millions of heart attacks are in the making.

    Scrapiron (c36902)

  26. And Scott, I wasn’t trying to diss you, just Obama. He just doesn’t care about people, except as a means to divisive politics and his own victim/savior obsession. He’s a play-ah. That’s as generous as I can be to the Chicago machine. You have more depth and heart, at least when I compare your trail of ideas to his current legacy. (Ironic he wants the DOJ to cover for his past; what could be better than that.)

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  27. #14 – DRJ

    Tom Brokaw must be embarrassed to work with him.

    — Brokaw must be (respectfully) cursing Russert for leaving him stuck with changing Olbermann’s diaper and taking a strap to Matthews’ backside.

    Icy Truth (b746b7)

  28. Tim faked his death to avoid working with Olbie…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  29. This is one of those times when I am glad that I don’t own a TV

    Steverino (1dda08)

  30. I think that the DNC has elevated the most divisive individual to the presidential platform. Hillary has always been called divisive (reasons never truly cited and usually quite subjective). Barack will absolutely be remember as having been THE ONE to have divided the Democratic party in his arrogant selection of Biden. The overarching shame for this convention is that Barack supporters, sharing the same arrogance of their leader, are belittling Hillary supporters into getting with the program to get behind the Party. I have heard them make comments about us being whiners and so on and yet many of us have defected to other party lines. In other words, they have failed to realize that Hillary supporters do NOT care if Barack wins or loses, and would prefer that he does lose to keep the door open for 2012. Come November, Democrats will recognize that “divided we did fall” and it can only be blamed on the hubris, ego and greed of Barack Obama.

    Mark (2f5e7f)

  31. I just found the schedule of events at the convention:

    Schedule of Events

    7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING

    7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.

    7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP – Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton

    7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING – Darryl Hannah

    7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET – Al Gore

    8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING – Rosie O’Donnell

    8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS – John Kerry

    9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon

    10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE – Alec Baldwin

    11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND – Barbara Streisand

    11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn

    11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS – William Jefferson Clinton

    11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS – Howard Dean

    12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD – Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore

    12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    12:45 am NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Nancy Pelosi

    1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    1:05 am CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA

    1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST

    1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hilary home.

    (no, I didn’t write this, just thought it was funny)

    Steverino (1dda08)

  32. Republicans possing as Democrats can stop as you just make us real democrats mad by your trolling.

    Democrats are unified to stop the rule of the few rich men and the tyrany of business you republicans have put in place. Crawl back under your republican rock.

    I am ex-Clinton supporter, and even if I like Clinton more than Obama you dont vote for a person you vote for an idea. The change will be done by the democratic party in congress and the senate not just the President. Clinton will be instrumental in this change.

    Plain and simple McCain has the wrong idea for America.

    Matt (c3de11)

  33. Matt–

    You’ve found us out. Our plans to crush the life out of the working man and to wrest the very bread from the brow of labor are found out.

    Curses! Foiled Again!

    [twists mustache and slinks off]

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  34. Matt (10:47) are you sure you’re in the right place?

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  35. Question: how come the electorate keeps voting for the evil rich guys? How come all the poor folk of the world keep risking their lives to come to this most evil of all places? A mystery to Matt, at least.

    Kevin Murphy (0b2493)

  36. “Matt” is just Levi’s new handle.

    qdpsteve (dc65ab)

  37. Matt, I don’t believe in voting for ideas. An empty suit gets the job done every time. And don’t forget the teleprompter.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  38. you dont vote for a person you vote for an idea. The change will be done by the democratic party in congress and the senate not just the President. Clinton will be instrumental in this change.

    And exactly what ideas has Obama propagated? Seems to me that this is nothing more than a cult of personality — exactly the opposite of what you have declared.

    Please don’t insult us by falling back on “change” and “hope” should you choose to respond.

    JVW (d54fc4)

  39. Michelle Obama is the greatest. It was during her interview with Larry King last yeat that I felt myself shift wholly towards Obama.

    Mikeb302000 (6127bb)

  40. Mikeb302000 – She is great. It was during the speech that she said it was the first time she was proud of her country that she made me throw up for the first time since I was a binge drinking teenager. Memories!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  41. SORRY PEOPLE IT’S OVER. I’M A N.J REPUBLICAN (REGISTERED DEMOCRAT)AND WAS 100 PCT. VOTING FOR OBAMA…NOW 100 PCT. AGAINST.
    I’M A UNION CONSTRUCTION WORKER, UNEMPLOYED CURRENTLY DUE TO BUSHES RAPING THE ECONOMY, CONSTITUTION AND OUR WORLD STANDING YET I CAN NOT VOTE FOR A FAR LEFT CANDIDATE.
    BUSH IS AN ABOMINATION BUT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS AN ATROCITY..GIVEN THE CHOICE I AND MY WHOLE STATE I’M SURE WILL HAVE TO LIVE W/ THE ABOMINATION.
    BIDENS SPEACH SATURDAY IGNITED HOPE..THE MERE MENTION OF JIMMY CARTER BROUGHT BACK HORRIBLE MEMORIES AND ALL BUT EXTINGUISHED THAT HOPE.
    IT IS A SAD FACT…NEW JERSEY WILL BE COLORED RED ON ELECTION DAY BY 9:30 P.M –
    I’M SHOCKED AND SADDENED AS IT IS ALMOST INCOMPREHENSIBLE TO REALIZE THE TRUTH..THE DEMOCRAT RUNNING AGAINST THIS CURRENT BUSH ADMIN. SHOULD EASILY HAVE A 10- 15 POINT LEAD ALTHOUGH IT’S PROBABLE THAT MCSAME WILL HOLD A FIRM 5-7 % LEAD BY FRIDAY MORNING.
    THIS IS A NIGHTMARE, THANK YOU, JOHN

    JOHN (513ad9)

  42. Do people just respond without actually looking at the type of blog they are on?

    No need for anyone (JOHN) to apologize for BO losing to (most) anyone here

    Lord Nazh (899dce)

  43. Wow, the level of comments here is so low I don’t know why I’m typing.

    It was an amazing evening, with many moving speeches. Maybe the best was Jesse Jackson Jr.’s., though it’s a difficult selection. I think we are seeing a dramatic new campaign development — we see a full family effort here. It’s hard for me to believe that McCain can match this or come anywhere close.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  44. PLEASE GET REAL. I LIVE IN AND NEXT TO 2 KEY STATES AND OBAMA WON’T CARRY EITHER JERSEY OR PENN.- YOUR OWN DAMN RENDELL FROM PA. HAS NOT AND WILL NOT ENDORSE OB- HE’S A HILLARY DIEHARD SUPPORTER.
    HE WON’T CARRY FLORIDA ( HUGE JEWISH AND MILITARY VOTE AND NOT 1 FOR OB- REMEMBER THE “WE SHOULD NEGOTIATE W/ IRAN” STATEMENT FOOLS?? THAT WAS IT FOR FLORIDA.
    NOW TELL ME GRADUATES OF OUR PATHETIC ACADEMIA..HOW DO YOU WIN W/O CARRYING PA, FLA,TEXAS AND THE ENTIRE SOUTHWEST ?? PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME I REALLY WANT TO KNOW.
    IF THERE’S A WAY I’M ALL EARS..HATE BUSH AND MCSAME BUT OBAMA IS GOING DOWN WALTER MONDALE STYLE IDIOTS..
    I KNOW WHAT IDIOTIC BLOG I’M ON AND EXPECTED WAY MORE FROM YOU TREE HUGGERS MY UNION AND CAREER IS DYING UNDER THE FASCIST BUSH. BUT IT’S OVER..PACK UP THE SHOW OB IS WAT TO FAR LEFT- WHAT AN ALL STAR CAST OF SO FAR LEFT CHAVEZ LIKE SOCIALISTS- JESS JAXSON JR.- JIMMY CARTER- TED KENNEDY FOR GOD SAKE. PERHAPS YOUR SUPER-DELS.NEED TO CAST FOR..AS SICK AS THIS THOUGHT IS..HILARY. SEEMS LIKE SHE HAS A CHANCE W/ BIDEN.
    WE ARE AT WAR CURRENTLY LIKE IT OR NOT AND THE PEOPLE WILL NOT ACCEPT A FAR FAR LEFT AFRICAN AMERICAN CANDIDATE.. SORRY IT’S OVER.
    P.S PERHAPS THE DEMS CAN GET THIER HEAD OUT OF THIER WHINY IN-FIGHTING ROSIE ODONNEL ASSES AND GET IN THE MIDDLE OF ROAD.
    DEM CANDIDATE SHULD HAVE NO LESS THAN A 12 POINT LEAD GIVEN THE ENORMOUS F-UP bush made out of our nation but YOU PEOPLE WILL LET MCSAME LANDSLIDE INTO OFFICE..THANKS YOU PATHETIC FAGS YA REALLY F’D UP IN PAST 6 MONTHS ACTUALLY EVEN WORSE THAN SCUM BUSH DID IN 8 YEARS- YOU REALLY DID IT AGAIN I CAN’T BELIEVE IT. IN FACT IF JESUS RUNS AS A DEM. IN 2012 I CAN’T VOTE FOR HIM NOW..SORRY J.C

    JOHN (513ad9)

  45. CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN…JESSE JACKSON..OMG-TED KENNEDY AND JIMMY CARTER ???????? LONGTIME LEFTIST PILLARS OF NON-CHANGE! JFC..WHILE YOU AND ROSIE ODONNEL ARE PATTING EACH OTHER ON THE BACK ON HOW ELOQUENT MICHELLE WAS AND HOW GOOD TEDDY LOOKED W/O BOOZE AND COKE- MCSHAME HAS TAKEN A 7 POINT LEAD BY FRIDAY.
    THIS IS AN EPIC DISASTER..NO KIDDING. IT’S THIS VERY DEMOCRAT DENIAL OF THE OBVIOUS THAT ALLOWS IDIOTS LIKE bush get 2 terms..once again thank you very much..when your country NEEDED YOU TO BE WISE AND STEADFAST YOU DID EXACTLY THE OPPOSITE..AGAIN !! YOU FAILED THE PEOPLE.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  46. P.S YOUR HIGH AND MIGHTY COMMENTARY ON ” THE LEVEL OF COMMENTS HERE” IS EXACTLY THE POMPOUS ATTITUDE THAT OBAMA HAS AND WHY HE’S GOIN OUT MONDALE STYLE.
    YOUR IDIOTS THROWING ABOUT 50 CENT WORDS DRIVING.WHILE YOU WATCH SPEECHES ON A 65 INCH WITH YOUR AIR CONDITIONING ON CONSUMING AS MUCH ELECTRICITY AS ANYONEELSE BUT YOU HAVE A HYBRID CAR W/ A GREENPEACE BUMPER STICKER SO YOUR ABOVE IT ALL. ASSHOLES YOU FIDDLED WHILE ROME JUST BURNED YOU POMPOUS, CODDLING, ELITIST PRODUCTS OF
    TODAYS U.S UNIVERSITIES…THEY EVERYTHING YOU DON’T NEED TO KNOW.
    YOU HAVE 4 YEARS TO RE-INVENT YOURSELVES COMPLETELY- 180 DEGREE ABOUT FACE AND GET W/ THE PROGRAM OR YOU’LL BE EXTINCT ALONG W/ MY UNION AND CAREER.
    2 PARTY SYSTEN FOR SURE- INDEPENDENTS AND REPUBLICANS..AND NADER OF COURSE.
    GET IT TOGETHER YOU HAVE 4 YEARS TO GET IT RIGHT PLEASE. SINCERELY, BEN FRANKLIN

    JOHN (513ad9)

  47. P.S I’M A OLD STYLE REPUB.- NOT THE NEO-CON, BIG CORPORATION LOVING, PATRIOT ACT INVENTING RUSH LIMBAUGH LED PARTY LEAD BY A FAT PILL DOPE POPPING RADIO HOST BASTARD SACK OF SHIT REPUB.
    I’M LAYING INTO AND BERATING THE CHAVEZ-LIKE LEFTISTS IN THE DEM. PARTY- YOU NEO-CONS NEED TO HANG FROM HIGHEST TREE IN ARLINGTON CEMETARY AS YOU ARE 100 PCT. GUILTY OF HIGH TREASON..WAR PROFITEERING.
    WHY IS IT THAT THE REPUB MEN ALWAYS GET CAUGHT W/ BOYS AND THE DEMOCRAT MEN GET CAUGHT W/ WOMEN ?
    NEO-CON DOUBLE SPEAKING , BLOOD ON YOUR HANDS PIECES OF SHIT. INDEED YOU ALL ARE MY HEDGE FUND MANAGING, MARKET SHORTING ,BANKS FAILING, OLD AGE PENSION WALL STREET THIEFS AND 7 HOUSE OWNING SHITRAGS..HOW DARE YOU ATTEMPT TO COME OFF LIKE YOU IN THE LEAST BIT IDENTIFY W/ THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE IN OUR GREAT NATION !

    JOHN (513ad9)

  48. What’s the record for the fastest banning here?

    CUZ JOHN IS TRYING TO OMG!!!11!!ELEVENTY!! BRAKE IT TOO SMITHEREENS!!

    (I vote we let him. Win/win, y’know?) 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  49. BAN ..A DEMOCRAT INVENTED CONCEPT…THAT’S RIGHT BAN EVERYTHING..BAN IT…I DON’T LIKE IT , BAN IT..BAN BOOKS WHILE YOUR AT IT LOL.. YOU PEOPLE ARE PATHETIC. GEORGE WASHINGTON AND BEN FRANLIN ARE GOING TO COME BACK AND SMACK THE SHIT OUT OF THE MOUTH THAT UTTERS THE WORD BAN.
    SINCERELY, EVERY NAME AT BOTTOM OF DEC. OF INDEPENENCE

    JOHN (513ad9)

  50. I must beg the right of reply here. I watched the convention tonight on what, a 9 inch Dell Latitude I bought in Moscow in 2003, not quite a 65 inch megatv. In fact, the biggest tv in this house is 25 inches, but I just watch my computer.

    One special feature my computer does have, though. It has LOWER CASE. You might get a keyboard that has them; they come in handy.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  51. I know what . . . blog I’m on and expected way more from you tree huggers
    Is there anybody here who’s a tree-hugger? Anybody who “is or has been a member of or affiliated with” tree-huggers?

    m (0c346f)

  52. I COULD WIN MORE STES THAN OBAMA OR MCSHAME..I LIVE AND AS A CHILD PLAYED IN CENTRAL N.J- EVERY OTHER HOUSE IN MY AREA HAS A HISTORIC SIGN ON IT STATING ” G. WASHINGTON SLEPT HERE” , THE CONTINENTAL ARMY CAMPED HERE” DAMN WASHINGTON ROCK IN WATCHUNG MOUNTAINS IS 400 FEET BEHIND MY BACKYARD I DON’T WANT TO HEAR SHIT FROM ANY OF YOU PANTY WASTE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE AISLE.
    I’M A CONSTITUTIONAL PUREST..LIVING DOCUMENT MY ASS BUSH FEAR MONGERED OUR RIGHTS AWAY AND G. WASHINGTON HAS A SIZE 12 CONTINENTAL ARMY BOOT FOR HIS ASS AT THE PEARLY GATE YA BATHROOM STALL ,LOOKIN FOR GAY SEX IN AN AIRPORT SHITHOUSE NEO-CONS.
    NO NEED TO SUGAR-COAT OR USE PROPER GRAMMAR AS FRANKLIN SAID.
    WHILE YOUR SPELL CHECKING THE POINT IS GOING RIGHT OVER YOUR PATHETIC HEADS. MY MOTHER IS FROM LONDON, BORN DURING WHILE FASCIST SCUM BOMBED HER HOME.
    I LIVE WHERE THE CONTINENTAL ARMY MARCHED FUCKING BAREFOOT THROUGH N.J FROM MORRISTOWN TO PRINCETON , ACROSS THE DELAWARE BARE FUCKING FOOT IN THE SNOW DURING THE COLDEST N.J WINTER ON RECORD..IT’S WRITTEN THAT YOU COULD FOLLOW THEM NOT BY THIER FOOTPRINTS BUT BY THE BLOOD FROM THIER BARE STARVING FEET !!
    I HAVE A 165 I.Q AND CAN DEBATE AND SHRED TO BITS ANY OF YOU SUPPOSED HOT AIR, SHORT ON FACTS, MAKE IT UP AS YOU GO MORONS. YOUR BOTH GUILTY- BOTH PARTIES.
    I’LL RESPOND AND RESPECT YOUR ANALYSIS AND OPINIONS OF MY STATEMENTS AS IT YOUR BLESSED RIGHT TO VOICE WHATEVER THOUGHTS YOU HAVE ANY TIME OR FORUM YOU WISH :)
    FURTHERMORE IT’S MY PLEASURE TO REMIND YOU OF THE FACT THAT I’M QUITE WELL AWARE OF THE SACRAFICES MADE 225 YEARS AGO BY A GROUP OF MEN THAT WALKED 65 MILES W/O FOOD OR SHOES AND DYING ALONG THE WAY TO VALLEY FORGE TO LAY THE FINAL SUPRISE ATTACK THAT SENT THE WORLDS MOST POWERFUL AND TYRANICAL GOV’T./MILITARY HOME ACROSS THE ATLANTIC CRUSHED, BATTERED AND BROKEN. KING GEORGE..SOUND FAMILIAR PATRIOT ACT LOVING NEO-CONS ???
    KING GEORGE IS GOING REGARDLESS…THAT IS THE BEST PART OF ALL THIS B.S AND OUR DEMOCRACY..A 2 I.Q MORON HAS TO LEAVE AFTER 2 TERMS NO MATTER WHAT, PACK YOUR REDNECK ASS UP AND GET BACK DOWN TO WHERE THE UNION ARMY KICKED YOUR COUNTRY ASS TO..TEXAS.. AND TAKE MINI-ME ,DARTH VADER- CHENEY..ARCHITECT OF THE IRAQ CORPORATE MIL./INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX , CORPORATE GOLDMINE, 1 TRILLION DOLLAR COLIN POWELL UNCLE TOM LYING WAR .
    CHENEY, ROVE AND THE BOY FROM TEXAS( REMEMBER THE ALAMO? WE FUCKING LOST! SEEMS LIKE THEY ENJOY CELEBRATING LOSING WARS IN TEXAS ? )-CHURCH AND STATE COMBINING, GAY ON SATURDAY, JERRY FALLWELL CRYIN FOR FORGIVENESS ON SUNDAY FORKED TONGUE FILTH- TAP A GAY FOOT IN A TOILET STALL LOOKING FOR HOT GAY SEX DO NO WRONG, OFFER NO SYMPATHY, HOLIER THAN THOU, CHURCH INDOCTRINATED PINNACLES OF HYPOCRACY. JOHN

    P.S REALLY, WHAT IS WITH THE REPUBLICAN CHENEY QUEER DAUGHTER, FLORIDA SENATOR AND TOILET MAGGOT AIRPORT SHITHOUSE STALL GUY???..THERE GO THEM REPUBLICANS AGAIN W/ THE GAY THING. PERHAPS IT’S CHURCH INDUCED SHAME I DUNNO BUT IT IS THE STRANGEST FALWELLIAN THING HOW THE HIGH AND MIGHTY BECOME THE LOW AND WEAKLY REPUBS.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  53. I like trees, but nothing serious, just as friends.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  54. Yeah, trees are nice. I like a mix of uppercase and lowercase letters, too.

    m (0c346f)

  55. SPELLCHECK THAT REDNEK NEO-CONS AND TREE HUGGING LIBERALS..YOUR BI-POLAR OPPOSITES YET EXACTLY THE SAME IN YOUR PURSUIT TO ATTAIN POWER… AND BOTH UTTERLY MISS THE POINT OF OUR LITTLE 225 YEAR EXPERIMENT HERE.
    KEEP BATTLING INTERNALY LIKE CHILDREN ON A PLAYGROUND SPOUTING ” MY DADDY CAN BEAT YOUR DADDY UP” BULLSHIT OVER 2 CANDIDATES THAT SHOULD BE IN DUMB AND DUMBER RATHER THAN RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT IN WHAT AMOUNTS TO LITTLE MORE THAN A PERSONAL “POWER GRAB” IN WHICH YOU EXPEND TIME AND ENERGY TO GET ” YOUR GUY/GAL” THIER SWEETLY CRAVED POWER- 1600 PA. AVENUE.
    WHILE YOUR DOING THAT CHINA WANTS HAWAII AS ONLY PAST DUE INTEREST ON 2 TRILLION WE OWE THEM AND THE RUSSIAN NAVY IS FISHING OFF THE COASTS OF CUBA AND MAINE UNOPPOSED..KEEP IT UP BICKERING CHILDREN AND YOU WON’T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT FREE ELECTIONS- CHINA AND RUSSIA DO NOT OFFER THEM. JOHN D.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  56. CUZ JOHN IS TRYING TO OMG!!!11!!ELEVENTY!! BRAKE IT TOO SMITHEREENS!!

    Comment by Stashiu3 — 8/26/2008 @ 2:39 am

    One special feature my computer does have, though. It has LOWER CASE. You might get a keyboard that has them; they come in handy.

    Comment by Gene Venable — 8/26/2008 @ 3:25 am

    LOL. Too funny, both a yez.

    John, seriously – you’re killin’ our eyes here. Please hit the caps lock button again. It’s on the left side, in the middle. Thanks.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  57. SMITHEREENS!!

    Didn’t love2008 say “smitherings” that one time? That was a pretty funny typo – have made some whoppahs myself.

    Whatever happened to her, by the way?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  58. “I’m just a teacher, with minimal knowledge of economics, so, what I know is not extensive, but, simple knowledge tells me that they can’t do what they’re saying, without KILLING the economy in the process…..”

    If you look at the Obama plans vs the McCain plans, you will see as many reputable and non-partisan economists have seen, that McCain’s plans are way more expensive than Obama’s. That’s because McCain would continue the tax cuts for the wealthiest, which the Economist itself singled out as disastrous years ago, whereas Obama would not.

    What I always want to ask Bush and the others who supported the tax cuts on the wealthy to begin with is this:

    I thought these cuts were to make sure that prosperity continued? (That’s what Bush said at the time.) Instead, the rich are getting richer and the middle class and poor are getting poorer. That’s not continuing the prosperity as far as I’m concerned.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  59. I’LL DO THE THINKING EINSTIEN ,YOU JUST KEEP WIPING MY ASS AND SPELlcHeCKInG MY BRILLIANT, PROFOUND AND MOST IMPORTANTLY..TRUE STATEMENTS.
    now make me breakfast.. all this teaching you shit you should already know has made my tired and hungry…thinking tends to do that.
    you should try a bit of thinking yourself being that you are told what to think by fox propaganda and rush shitrag and simply repeat it convincing yourself you formulated your own free thoughts.
    it’s a race to the bottom my friends..the truth is they are both power fiends owned by special interest groups etc. and either way our country loses each election that passes we inch closer to fracture. good day, poor richard

    JOHN (513ad9)

  60. Holy Jeebus. Matt, Mark, and JOHN so far. We just need Daniel, Luke, and Thomas to drop by.

    ALL CAPS JOHN is kind of fun.

    JD (5f0e11)

  61. Gene – Riddle me this. If the gap between the rich and poor is getting wider, why is it that your first instinct is to take from the rich and simply redistribute their earnings?

    JD (5f0e11)

  62. 1st sentence i neednot read anymore to shoot your genius ass down..did i hear your an ANALyist? great exactly what our nation needs another ANAList.. also economics??/ let me tell you a joke about YOU.
    3 MEN APPLY AT HARVARDFOR A JOB AS A PROF.
    1ST MAN IS A MATH TEACHER, SECOND IS AN ACCOUNTANT, 3RD IS AN ECONOMIST.
    DEAN CALLS IN MATH TEACHER FOR INTERVIEW AND SAYS ” I HAVE 1 QUESTION ONLY..WHAT DOES 2+2 EQUAL”? MATH TEACHER SAYS.WELL..IT MAY VARY BUT THE ANSWER IS 4. VERY GOOD WE’LL CALL YOU.SAYS FINE AND LEAVES.
    NEXT CALLS IN ACCOUNTANT..SAME THING. 1 QUESTION, WHAT DOES 2+2 EQUAL? ACCOUNTANT SAYS WELL W/ NEW TAX CODES ETC. IT COULD VARY BUT THE ANSWER IS 4. VERY GOOD, WE’LL CALL YOU. ACCOUNT SAYS FINE AND LEAVES.
    LAST IS THE ECONOMIST, WALKS IN AND SITS DOWN. I HAVE 1 QUESTION FOR YOU THAT’S ALL…WHAT DOES 2+2 EQUAL ?
    ECONOMIST JUMPS UP FROM CHAIR, RUNS TO WINDOW SHUTS AND LOCKS IT, PULLS DOWN THE SHADES, RUNS TO DOOR AND LOCKS IT, SLIDES HIS CHAIR REAL CLOSE TO DEAN AND WHISPERS…” WHAT DO YOU WANT IT TO EQUAL”. :)
    NOW GO FUCK YOURSELF YA GLORIFIED MATH TEACHER

    JOHN (513ad9)

  63. LOL..THEN WE WOULD BE CHURCH AND STATE COMBINING , FORKED TONGUE NEO-CAONS :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  64. I often think that it’s not the power fiends that we need to be afraid of. It’s the incompetent power fiends, like the current Bush. He has not done a good job for conservatives or Republicans or for himself. And McCain seems to have no new ideas. I look forward to seeing what ideas he does have, the minute he expresses one.

    What I like about Obama, on the other hand, is his openness to ideas from both parties. I hope he means it.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  65. OBAMA’S , THE ULTRA LEFTIST IS NOT GOING TO RAISE TAXES ?????????
    WE NOW KNOW WHY OUR SCHOOL SYSTEM IS RANKED 16TH IN THE WORLD ..HOLY SHIT MAN

    JOHN (513ad9)

  66. YOU SHOULD LISTEN TO YOUR DOCTORS JOHN THEY HAVE YOUR BEST INTERESTS AT HEART

    JD (5f0e11)

  67. There is a disturbance in the Force… it’s like millions of neurons crying out… then silence.

    I’ve got a bad feeling about this.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  68. INDEED YOU ARE CORRECT. IT IS A RESULT OF “TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS” – GIVE THE MIL./INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ALL THE MONEY AND THEY WILL SURELY DISTRIBUTE IT FAIRLY RIGHT? THE TRICKLE IS YELLOW AND WARMBY THE TIME IT REACHES LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR..AND IT SMELLS LIKE PEE TEACH.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  69. Gene – Despite your assertion. there is no evidence that Baracky is willing to reach across the aisle.

    JD (5f0e11)

  70. I KNOW THEY DO..I’M AN IRONWORKER FIRST RESPONDER AT GROUND ZERO AND I’LL BE DEAD ACCORDING TO MY DOCS BY NEXT ELECTION. WAS KINDA HOPING WE WOULD GET THIS ONE RIGHT..YA KNOW..FOR THE FOUNDERS AND THIER SACRAFICES.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  71. I am still trying to figure out what the Revolutionary War has to do with the Dems dog and pony show.

    JD (5f0e11)

  72. “Gene – Riddle me this. If the gap between the rich and poor is getting wider, why is it that your first instinct is to take from the rich and simply redistribute their earnings?”

    To a certain extent, the economy is like a game of Monopoly. If one side gets all the money, it’s time to declare a winner and start a new game with a more equal distribution of cash.

    Of course, we can’t quite do that with a real economy, but one job of the government is to make the playing field fair and not let one side get all the cash.

    The reason America was such a hopeful place historically was that there was a lot of land for everyone (if you didn’t count the Indians, which isn’t my responsibility) so everybody had a shot. The more the economy gets controlled by a few, the less real economic freedom there is. Redistribution is a crude way to fix things, and I am open to better suggestions. However, in the meantime, it’s a start.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  73. Gene – Outside of hope and change, can you outline for us a position where Baracky has reached across the aisle, and a position that has not been subject to countless revisions.

    JD (5f0e11)

  74. never learned how to type and didn’t complete 9th grade..but read every book in school library by age 12. decided to carry on as 3rd generation Ironworker as I found it to be greatly rewarding seeing the fruits of my labour at days end and knowing the buildings,power plants and refineries i worked on will be here serving my countrymen/women long after i’m gone :)
    we have been reduced to a paper pushing country that produces nothing the world wants or needs saddly it seems.
    w/ the possible exception of huge quantities of hot air ??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  75. Gene – Our econmy is not like Monopoly. The economy is not finite, unlike the bank in a Monopoly game. This whole zero-sum assumption is the kernel of lousy economic policies. But kudos to you for being honest about being a collectivist.

    JD (5f0e11)

  76. our true debt including derivatives/r.e market fannie and freddie- trade deficit is closer to 40 trillion right now..cant be a start we are still accruing debt at an exponential rate.
    where do we stop it seems would be the question..would you agree ??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  77. JOHN – The hot air you have produced this morning has opened its own hole in the ozone layer, and is going to increase the ongoing catastrophic global warming.

    JD (5f0e11)

  78. The economy is a zero-sum game where it’s impossible to create new wealth… got it Gene. *yawn*

    Why don’t Socialists ever move to a Socialist country? Probably because they’d be even bigger losers there and end up shot in the back of the head by other Socialist losers.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  79. Of course, we can’t quite do that with a real economy, but one job of the government is to make the playing field fair and not let one side get all the cash.

    Equality of opportunity doesn’t equal equality of outcome. I’m sure you understand this.

    The reason America was such a hopeful place historically was that there was a lot of land for everyone (if you didn’t count the Indians, which isn’t my responsibility) so everybody had a shot. The more the economy gets controlled by a few, the less real economic freedom there is. Redistribution is a crude way to fix things, and I am open to better suggestions. However, in the meantime, it’s a start.
    Comment by Gene Venable — 8/26/2008 @ 4:20 am

    I would put it a little differently. THe reason America was such a hopeful place in the beginning was that people if they were willing to put in the effort required (we won’t know how many people were offered land – aka opportunity – that didn’t take it because they weren’t willing to do the work required to build a house on it, work the land, etc. The current economic structure is different (most people don’t work their own land and build their own house) but the choices made to get property still hold.

    Also, “redistribution” means “stealing from the wealthier to give to the poorer.” With the exception of help for those who can’t work and need money (i.e. welfare for the disabled, uncared for children, etc), which most people, liberal and conservative, agree we should provide, it is wrong to just take what some have earned and give it to others.

    Am not rich by any American standard (though am by the world’s average standard) and I would object to someone taking a rich person’s money and giving it to me. I didn’t earn it, I’m not disabled, I chose a low paying but satisfying job, I made my choices. The thing you support is not just “crude,” it’s called “socialism.”

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  80. JD, ignore John… it’s not even challenging. You’ll lose range-of-motion if all you pick is low-hanging fruit. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  81. ohh sorry- the rev. war was fought right here where i live..we used to find musketbals and indian arrows everyday so i figured i would begin..at the beginning.
    where this 225 year experiment started,,point being ” compromise is the cornerstone of negotiation” according to Franklin and that statement sums up this schoolyard 2 party “my daddy can beat up your daddy” fiasco we go through every 4 years w/o compromising to solve the real issues/problems that CAN be solved andwould benefit all citizens…compromise. like the founders did 225 yrs. ago to achieve this great gift we squander.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  82. No one you know – “I’m sure you understand this”.

    What, so far, leads you to believe that?

    Stash – Too funny.

    JD (5f0e11)

  83. we know your specialality is ” low hanging fruits of all sorts”..my low hanging fruit promotes solutions..your banter is frankly..irritating

    JOHN (513ad9)

  84. John – What do you think the Founders would have thought about progressive taxation, or national healthcare.

    JD (5f0e11)

  85. Holy Jeebus, JOHN. Point to one solution you have led us to. All you have done is rant, aimlessly.

    JD (5f0e11)

  86. my 165 i.q can tear ya apart or offer solutions and build ya up..you illustrate my point perfectly my good man…lotta einstiens here yet not 1 proposal of a united front w/ disregard for spoon fed 2 party hot air , smoke and mirrors and diversions from the true issues.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  87. No one you know – “I’m sure you understand this”.

    What, so far, leads you to believe that?

    Comment by JD — 8/26/2008 @ 4:38 am

    “Equality of the benefit of the doubt.” Which, as you’ve seen on these boards, does not always lead to equality of outcome. 😉

    At least John is in lower case now. My eyes thank you, John.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  88. Gene is much more interesting coherent intelligent thought-provoking fun… at least he spells better.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  89. Clearly, John missed the decimal point on his IQ results. I’ve gotta say though, 16.5 beats out Keith Olbermann, so he’s got that going for him.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  90. in ww2 did we seperate repub. from democrat or did we fight together ? one would think that in the ungodly year of our lord,2008 we would have learned how to make politicians fear us the people instead of the people fearing and becoming co-dependent on government ??
    i’ll get ya a bib and spoon feed ya if you like? i find it’s best to stand on my feet and feed myself..need no assistance from a beurocracy..i understand some do

    JOHN (513ad9)

  91. my 165 i.q …

    Comment by JOHN — 8/26/2008 @ 4:42 am

    Fascinating. Have never had my IQ tested, but is your IQ higher than most others on this board, do you think, John?

    Was sorry to hear of your bad report from your doctors, BTW. Seriously, wouldn’t getting exercised and upset be bad for your health? You’re welcome to comment here but please take care of yourself.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  92. See ..my point is always illustrated instantly by my fellow americans in the form of infighting childish retorts regarding spelling, who’s smarter than who..it’s a joke lol have we disussed health care, war, we did touch upon national debt perhaps we should move forward on that topic as it realates to our national security ?? anyone interested in solutions or is this simply a genius pissing contest? ..like the race for 1600 pa. ave has become

    JOHN (513ad9)

  93. Meh I’m a democrat and only watched some of the news coverage, i’ll admit michelle had a great speach. However i have no intention of voting for Obama simply because hes a dem, and though i supported Hillary in the primary i’m not going to blindly follow her advice and support Obama when its clear he lacks the experience to lead this country. Now dont get me wrong im not HAPPY about voting McCain and in neither election did i vote for the train wreck that is Bush, but its kinda the lesser of two evils in my opinion. Plain and simple since Hillary didnt get the nomination my decision was made *sigh*.

    Redjeepaz (b8d693)

  94. who’s smarter than who..

    Am sorry you think this. Who brought up IQ again?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  95. til my last breath i would like to solve something lol we all have a dream. it was tested few times when i was 10 or so lol..here’s the deal i don’t know how to fix my car, barely know where the gas goes…do i care what the mechanics i.Q is whenn it breaks down…or do i simply respect his talent to fix it ?? that’s all i’m saying here..it’s so basic we tend to over hype/complicate things here in the land of abundant hot air.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  96. I am happy to put forth a united front JOHN. The Dems are welcome and encouraged to join us in supporting individual liberty, lowering taxes, actually reading the Constitution, and promoting a robust national security.

    JD (5f0e11)

  97. Where did all of the Moby’s come from?

    JD (5f0e11)

  98. thomas payne penned a little brochure in 1775 called” common sense” ..within 3 weeks everyone in the colonies had a copy and most importantly read it.:)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  99. or is this simply a genius pissing contest?
    Comment by JOHN — 8/26/2008 @ 4:53 am

    Well, since my last IQ test was 172 and I’m in MENSA, I guess you lose. I have to admit though, I probably lost a couple of points from reading your stream-of-consciousness drivel. Actually, responding to you is proof of it. Hope you’ve had fun, I’ll let others bash you for a while until Patterico gets around to banishing your IP.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  100. Moby’s are liberal pretending to be conservatives and saying outrageous extreme-rightwing inflammatory garbage so they can point to it later as “proof” of how crazy conservatives are. They’re called that because the singer Moby suggested that strategy.

    These are just ordinary, everyday trolls. Not very good ones at that.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  101. J.D we must go back to the start..Franklin..THE FOUNDERS. NO GROUP OR PARTY HAS EXCLUSIVE RIGHTS TO ANY IDEOLOGY..IT’S COMPROMISE THAT WILL GET THINGS DONE. FOR EXAMPLE THE COLONIES COULDN’T AGREE ON WHETHER TO BREAK THE CHAIN OF A TYRANT…SO FRANKLIN LOCKED EVERYONE IN CONT. CONGRESS IN PHIL. ON A 95 DEGREE DAY AND CLOSED THE WINDOWS..MIND YOU WINDOWS WERE WOODEN LOL..TO PRESERVE THE FRAGILE NATURE OF THIER BUSINESS UNTIL THEY COMPROMISED…AND THEY DID ..THAT DAY A NATION WAS BORN.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  102. I HEARD THERE WAS SCREAMING FIGHTING TEMPERS FLARING AND UNBEARABLY HOT…FRANKLIN ALWAYS KNEW 1 THING ” COMPROMISE IS THE CORNERSTONE OF NEGOTIATION”. WE CAN’T BEGIN TO NEGOTIATE HEALTH CARE OR ANYTHING ELSE AS LONG AS WE MUST FIRST APPEASE HILARY, BLOW SMOKE UP HER ASS SO SHE DOESN’T FRACTURE A PARTY’S HOPES OF WINNING AN ELECTION OF WHICH THEY SHOULD ALREADY HAVE AT LEAST 12 POINT LEAD..IF IT WERE NOT FOR THIER INFIGHTING AND PISSING CONTEST.. WOULD YOU AGREE JD??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  103. Comment by Redjeepaz — 8/26/2008 @ 4:55 am

    That didn’t include you Red… and I feel your pain. I won’t be voting for McCain or Obama (sorry Xrlq, still not convinced… although calling me a baby was compelling 😉 ) and will end up voting third-party this election.

    I’m considering Zombie Reagan/Patterico ’08, but I haven’t decided which one to put on the ticket in the top spot. Must think on this.

    (Just kidding Patterico… I’d put you on as Vice President for the experience. Then, in 2012…) 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  104. So, JOHN, a little bit of socialism is alright in the name of compromise?

    JD (75f5c3)

  105. WE NEED CHANGE NOW..WE WILL NOT GET IT BECAUSE WE DON’T DESERVE IT. WE NEED TO GET OVER OURSELVES AND SEE THAT THIS DESIGN WAS ” BY THE PEOPLE, FOR THE PEOPLE”. NOT BY HILARY FOR OBAMA OR BY BUSH FOR MCAIN..I COULD BE MISTAKEN I GUESS..NO ONES PERFECT AND I’M QUITE TIRED LOL ZZZZZZZZZ

    JOHN (513ad9)

  106. PERHAPS A LITTLE OF EVERYTHING IS REQUIRED..FRANLIN ALWAYS SAID ” EVERYTHING IN MODERATION”..HE COINED THE PHRASE AND MANY OTHERS STILL IN USE. EARLY TO BED, EARLY TO RISE…ETC. WAS HIS ALSO :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  107. I disagree, JOHN @ 101. Shocka.

    JD (75f5c3)

  108. DON’T START W/ SPelINNG.!!! been awake 30 hours waitin on test results..ease up i’m on all your sides :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  109. then you disagree w/ franklin. that’s o.k but hinders progress if we can’t agree on essential basic truths

    JOHN (513ad9)

  110. in summation fellow citizens i’ll quote a wise sage of our time..mr. ferris bueller.. ” i don’t believe in ism’s ” :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  111. WE NEED CHANGE NOW..

    Baracky says this all the time. Change for the sake of change is pretty meaningless.

    Ben Franklin also said that beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy.

    JD (75f5c3)

  112. if your name is stosh your polish and that makes it an impossibility for you to be accepted as a member of mens.. didn’t i state that i.q does not matter 1 bit..refer to car mechanic analogy above sir..another example of genius pissin contest that prevents compromise and progress…goin to russia before they expand pat. act and tax air and water here. like little girls , hopeless

    JOHN (513ad9)

  113. So, if your name is JOHN, that means you’re… a commode? Nice reasoning there. And as noyk mentioned, you’re the one who brought up IQ. More than once actually.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  114. here’s the last bit of wisdom..i’ll borrow mcsames straight talk express…” we spent 4 hours here and never broached an issue, not 1 but everyone made it clear who they are, what they do like i’m comin over to meet your sister.
    now the straight talk…been here, first time on a blog and it appears all this b.s is over a woman, a black guy and an 80 year old p.o.w from a war that ended 40 years ago and who deserves what amounts to a figurehead position w/ veto power…is that correct?
    is any one of these 3 people able, on his/her own to solve anything ?????
    or , perhaps it is ultimately up to the people to not ask for change but demand it?
    are we all mensa members so bright that we believe that on 20 january the person that takes the oath is going to wave a magic wand and end war, bring better health care, solve world peace and bake us all brownies ?????
    opinions- 1. are like assholes
    2. when i want yours i’ll tell it to you
    3. not needed

    JOHN (513ad9)

  115. o.k i admit i’m the smartest human ever created. now that that fact is out of the way…can we get on with any 1 of the 30 major and dire problems our country is facing ??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  116. So, solve these problems for us, JOHN. Lead us. Break the mold.

    JD (75f5c3)

  117. opinions- 1. are like assholes
    2. when i want yours i’ll tell it to you
    3. not needed
    Comment by JOHN — 8/26/2008 @ 5:34 am

    Let me fix that for ya…

    “JOHN” 1. is an asshole.
    2. When we want you back, we’ll beam it to you through your television. Don’t worry, it will be a strong enough signal to make it through the tinfoil.
    3. is not needed.

    Buh bye.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  118. still nothing profound out there? solutions ? time is wasting and this 225 year experiment is evaporating rapidly. i’ll vote for mcsame only because he is the one that most resembles a founding father and only one that doesn’t act like a bitch..no need to be p.c or drive a fag eco car..i guess 1 want a gas guzzler, my cigs every drop of oil in iraq..too late they sold it to china last week..do your homework it’s true..so i guess i’ll settle for some quiet and turn the idiot tube off until this ” race of the retards is over’ hey at least the people are getting exact representation in any 1 of these 3 power mad bastards..good night and good luck.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  119. Ok, I was wrong JD. Bashing the low-hanging-fruit is fun. I denounce myself.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  120. i’ll vote for mcsame only because he is the one that most resembles a founding father and only one that doesn’t act like a bitch.

    Now that was funny, I don’t care who you are… that’s funny on multiple levels.

    good night and good luck.

    Courage.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  121. Stashiu – How can you not? Regardless of ideology, it is so profoundly and unabashedly arrogant, without apparent reason.

    JD (75f5c3)

  122. now that’s ” common sense ” like mr. franklin stated.. ” is not that common” lol that old ben he was quite the idiot..inventing all that stuff never asking a dime or patent..half u hebes out there make a paper airplane and want to get it patented and sell it for 10.95
    sick country due to it’s sick narcesistic people…the system as the founders designed it is in perfect working order !!!! lol
    any 1 of the 3 stooges is perfect for not solving anything, just like the people the represent, arrogant, selfish narcesists…trust the founders lol they knew 1 thing 4 sure…ya get what you deserve :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  123. everything i wrote was pretty funny lol but true..scroll up for more i have to crash now :) enjoy it if i thought it mattered i would be writing to the n.y times lol

    JOHN (513ad9)

  124. I was really going to resist bud… really and truly I was. I held back so much snark I may have sprained a toe and both earlobes. Then, overwhelmed by temptation… I sinned and had to repent. I was weak and that’s why I had to denounce myself.

    If I had known all this when JOHN first arrived, heck… I’d have just jumped in with both feet from the get-go. Then I still could have denounced myself and had pain-free toes & lobes to boot.

    Lesson learned.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  125. read between the lines..better yet ..read it backwards like a beatles record there’s a secret message in all my drivel lol take care fellow americans :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  126. p.s ben stole the beer thing from the bible 😉

    JOHN (513ad9)

  127. everything i wrote was pretty funny lol but true

    No, you pretty much capped out with the one line. The rest was just stupid. You had best get to bed now, they’re watching you already.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  128. Of course I understand that the economy is not a zero-sum game, but it is theoretically possible for only a few people to control everything (even if they got it honestly) and that wouldn’t be acceptable.

    I don’t know what a collectivist is, so I don’t think I r one.

    These kinds of discussions can turn into typing contests. I know all the usual arguments and have probably read more of the usual books than most people I’m typing to. For example, I’ve been a devout reader of the Economist since the late 1960’s.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  129. but one job of the government is to make the playing field fair and not let one side get all the cash.

    Please show us all the clause of the Constitution which embodies your assertion.

    No, it is NOT the job of government to take property away from people simply because they’ve earned more than one person’s notion of “enough”.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  130. I don’t know what a collectivist is, so I don’t think I r one.

    If you don’t know what one is, there’s no way you can state that you aren’t one.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  131. Sheesh, besides a loon with a caps key disorder and a socialist who pretends he isn’t one, it was a wierd night.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  132. By the way, someone up there suggested I move to a Socialist country. I did live in Moscow for a few years, does that count? Before that I worked in Manhattan. I liked Moscow much more than Manhattan. In some ways, I wish I was living in Moscow now, rather than Agoura Hills, Ca.

    Unfortunately, that Putin guy makes me nervous.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  133. If you look at the Obama plans vs the McCain plans, you will see as many reputable and non-partisan economists have seen, that McCain’s plans are way more expensive than Obama’s.

    That would be because they assume savings where there would be none. The “savings” from healthcare are vaporware, and he’s dropped any reforms he had suggested for Social Security (thus the loss of more possible savings).

    Add to that increased taxes on the very people who provide the jobs and income of so many americans (taxes which would be, I assure you, transfered on to consumers), and you have the lovely result of an economic downturn.

    The government takes enough of my money as it is, and does a very poor job of spending it wisely. I would rather see spending cut (when was the last time this was even seriously considered?) first. If they can show me that they can control spending, then I will be willing to talk about maybe giving them more.

    The issue at stake is that we are rapidly approaching the state where over 50% of the voting population has no stake in the money their reps vote for. By this I mean the fact that very, very soon 50% of Americans will pay no taxes or very little taxes, and what they spend will by FAR be outstripped by direct benifit from government programs.

    Guess what happens when we cross that magic line. Hint: It ain’t good, borther…

    my 165 i.q

    If your IQ is 165 JOHN, why the heck did it take you so long to find the capslock key?

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  134. I guess that if you consider the US government Socialist now, I could be considered a Socialist, yes. I love libraries, for example. And I really liked the Moscow Metro, and all those nice buildings in Moscow. I also like public highways, are they Socialist?

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  135. Gene, that was me who wondered why Socialists don’t move to Socialist countries. Putin makes you nervous? I’m not surprised (read the rest of the comment above.) Yet you want to implement the basic tenets of that system here. The cognitive dissonance required to be a Socialist is amazing.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  136. Comment by Gene Venable — 8/26/2008 @ 6:18 am

    You just pegged the whacko-meter with that one. Hold on while it resets. It may take a while… metal-fatigue from JOHN you know.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  137. Come on. These CAN’T be real people, right? Right?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  138. I’ve been asked to show where in the Constitution it says that the government’s job is to stop a few people from amassing all the cash.

    The American system is based on compromise. There are many unwritten rules that, if violated, could cause the whole system to come tumbling down. One such rule is that people need to perceive that they have a fighting chance to prosper in this system. If all the wealth were owned by a few families and they had the right to pass all of it on to their children, and the rest of us had no chance to get any of it, chaos and revolution would result.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  139. The basic tenants I believe in are already in effect here. We live in a “mixed economy,” all the textbooks say. What’s in the mix? Government control and individual enterprise. Another way to say it: socialism and individual enterprise.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  140. Not even one day over of the DNC and Obama is trying to censor critics by banning them from the airwaves.

    Obama tries to censor ad tying him to Weather Underground founder Ayers.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  141. If all the wealth were owned by a few families and they had the right to pass all of it on to their children, and the rest of us had no chance to get any of it, chaos and revolution would result.

    Comment by Gene Venable — 8/26/2008 @ 6:34 am

    All due respect, this is why people keep bringing up the term “zero-sum game” to you. Capitalism means that “the rest of us” will NEVER not have a chance to “get any of it.” I know that you don’t imagine “wealth” just means a static pile of dollar bills that some can hoard and others can never get, like in an actual Monopoly game.

    Here’s a really simple and I’m sure very flawed example. Imagine a very poor person who has the ambition adn talent, and acquires the ability through hard work to design the best, coolest cars and yachts on the face of the planet. Some wealthy people are gonna give him/her money to make them, for a cut of the profits, and other wealthy people are gonna buy them. Soon Mr. or Ms. Enterpreneur is going to be – um, not poor anymore. Go figure. And it all happened without stealing from the ones who had a lot of money in the first place.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  142. Comment by Gene Venable — 8/26/2008 @ 6:34 am

    The only true sentence in that entire comment that was that you were asked a question. Too bad you didn’t answer it and veered off into propaganda that is clearly untrue.

    This has to be a put-on, right? Come on, you can tell us. Then we can all laugh together instead of just at you. A joke is a joke.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  143. The American system is based on compromise. There are many unwritten rules that, if violated, could cause the whole system to come tumbling down. One such rule is that people need to perceive that they have a fighting chance to prosper in this system. If all the wealth were owned by a few families and they had the right to pass all of it on to their children, and the rest of us had no chance to get any of it, chaos and revolution would result.

    And if they had thought for one second that the Govt could, by virtual fiat, take away from someone what they had earned in order to give it to someone else who hadn’t, this whole great nation would never have happened…

    Because no one would have agreed to that.

    The system is supposed to provide exqual oppertunity. But the ability to go to the dance means you actually have to show up.

    People in the inner city, the poor, they had a chance to go to the dance… But they opted not to. Either they dropped out of school, or never applied themselves, or maybe the just weren’t all that smart (like JOHN), but they had the option to show up. They CHOSE no to.

    Oppertunity, not outcome. Their failure to forsee the result of their short-term decision making (“this benifits me for the moment, so I will do it”) does not place upon me the burden to share that which *I* have worked for. *I* showed up. *I* worked for what I have. I shuld not have to give up what I have because they want it.

    They is already a system for passing on the insane wealth of the rich. Teddy Kennedy and his family have been abusing that loop hole in the Death Tax for decades.

    You say you understand that the economy is not Zero-sum, but you continue to speak as though ALL the money could be held by a few… It isn’t possible… There is no such thing as “all the money”. Not zero-sum, remember?

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  144. noyk, your patience is amazing. Just wanted to say that before I take off for a bit.

    You could add an artist who takes $100 of material and turns it into something people are willing to pay thousands of dollars for. Literally creating wealth.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  145. And if they had thought for one second that the Govt could, by virtual fiat, take away from someone what they had earned in order to give it to someone else who hadn’t, this whole great nation would never have happened…
    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 8/26/2008 @ 6:44 am

    That’s kind of what that whole pesky “American Revolution” thing was about, wasn’t it? Boston Tea Party and all that?

    I’m off. Be well.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  146. McCain’s plans are way more expensive than Obama’s. That’s because McCain would continue the tax cuts for the wealthiest, which the Economist itself singled out as disastrous years ago, whereas Obama would not.

    Laughable idiocy. A tax cut is ‘expensive’. There ya go with that Govt- centric view. Not a single TAXPAYER considers tax cuts to be expensive, and anyone who calls it a bad idea has not looked at the numbers. The Bush tax cuts helped the economy and tha cap gains tax cut paid for itself; BLS and Don Luskin have the numbers. Also, the lie that this is about tax cuts for the wealthy is another Boner – Bush cut taxes for everyone who paid income taxes. All those liberals who want to pay more to the Govt – Take your checkbook out and write the check to the IRS, nobody is stopping you!

    Freedoms Truth (cfa2f1)

  147. These folks have to be a joke … wonder where they wandered in from?

    JD (75f5c3)

  148. “will end up voting third-party this election.”

    Wussie.

    C’mon, eat the worm!

    Freedoms Truth (cfa2f1)

  149. “For example, I’ve been a devout reader of the Economist since the late 1960’s.”

    This line made me laugh out loud – truly hilarious.

    Dmac (874677)

  150. Dmac – I merely chuckled, but understand the sentiment.

    Economistist

    JD (75f5c3)

  151. I kept waiting for him to say in his next post how edumacated he considers himself to be – because he really loves him some libaries.

    Dmac (874677)

  152. People in the inner city, the poor, they had a chance to go to the dance… But they opted not to. Either they dropped out of school, or never applied themselves, or maybe the just weren’t all that smart (like JOHN), but they had the option to show up. They CHOSE no to.

    What has directly contributed to the increased numbers of those opting out is the simultaneously increase of the financial provision of the government to fill the gap.

    Through a plethora of social programs and bailouts there is now a multi-generational population who take full advantage of this opportunity while opting out of the other opportunity that most of us choose (which involves the hard work of going through school and getting a job) because we desire to be financially indpendent and not dependent on the government.

    Dana (b4a26c)

  153. All these self-described geniuses here today on this thread are rather uneducated ones since they be clueless about spelling and grammar, let alone showing the least amount of common sense. Mostly what I see are big jackasses. The original Moby was a pussy whom Marshall Mathers easily intimidated by threatening to kick his ass.
    Nobama 2008!

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  154. How hilarious.
    This has been better than listening to Mad Howling Howie.
    Anyone who has been a dedicated reader of the Economist since the sixties definitely needs to be sent to a re-education camp – are we sure that Gene is not a screen-name for Bill Ayers?
    And John, what a loon!
    Reminds me: Jim Braddock was a dockworker who never finished school, took his boxing winnings and went on to start a heavy-equipment company that helped build the Verrazano Narrows Bridge.
    Too bad John couldn’t have read about him for inspiration.
    Well, this has been much nicer than listening to talk-radio blather about the convention.
    Fun, Fun, Fun.

    Another Drew (630659)

  155. Dems did OK for their first day, nothing special, and no big screw-ups. The Party big shots and old war horses put in the obligatory appearancs. So far, so good.

    Michelle’s performance was certainly an improvement over her past gaff filled outings. She failed to mention her Ivy League education, Princeton and Harvard Law, but that would have introduced an eliteist element into the pollyanna profile she pushed. Ditto for the fancy jobs, not to mention the mansion, and $100,000 raise after Bambi got elected.

    She did look great, much better than ever before. Her smile seemed warm at times, she’s obviously bright, and is capable of learning. She dissembles with facility.

    Her speech was well written, well delivered, and well received. It attempted to re-invent her image and lay the foundation for her cult of personality, designed to replace Hillary as queen bee of the donkey clan.

    Bambi, on TV from either St. Louis or Kansas City, seemed strangely ill at ease. He wasn’t comfortable and it showed. There was something not right about that whole song and dance, it struck me as contrived. What was he doing, where was he, why did they go to such lengths to conceal his location, and why wasn’t he in Denver?

    Bambi is scared to death to give Hillary supporters an opportunity to denonstrate enthusiasm on the convention floor. The backroom fighting, and resultant “hotel roll-call” vote is an example of how fear paralyzes the mind. The best is yet to come.

    I give it a C+ overall.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  156. Rush just quoted Carville as saying last night that it takes a certain amount of digging to uncover the message the Dems were pushing.
    Or, “Keep digging, there’s got to be a pony in there somewhere”.

    Another Drew (630659)

  157. Just out of curiosity, did everyone watch the convention on Fox?

    Oiram (983921)

  158. I watched it on MSNBC with Olberman and Mathews, Oiram.

    JD (5f0e11)

  159. “Just out of curiosity, did everyone watch the convention on Fox?”

    Oiram – Why does it matter what channel you watched it on unless you want to pay any attention to the commentators?

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  160. It was FOX. The others make me nauseous, and I can only take FOX in small doses, way too much effort to be fair and balanced.

    When the issues are clear-cut, it’s silly to pretend the idiot nonsense Dems spew is worth airtime, which in my world is my time.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  161. Scott:

    If your IQ is 165 JOHN, why the heck did it take you so long to find the capslock key?

    Intellect and common sense don’t correlate as closely as one might expect. Think Rainman. JOHN is like an idiot savant, only without the savant part.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  162. Stashiu3:

    That didn’t include you Red… and I feel your pain. I won’t be voting for McCain or Obama (sorry Xrlq, still not convinced… although calling me a baby was compelling ) and will end up voting third-party this election.

    Fair enough, but if Obama wins, and when your third-party paper candidate doesn’t, put a bumper sticker on your car that says “Blame Me – I Threw Away My Vote.” Because you did, and I will.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  163. “Just out of curiosity, did everyone watch the convention on Fox?”

    Hey, how’d you guess? I never watch either convention (but a special medal here should go out to JD, for watching the twatwaffles on MNSBC) – too much blathering and never any substance. Just out of curiosity, can you ever come up with one original thought on this site, one that doesn’t assume we’re all lockstep Rethuglicans?

    Dmac (874677)

  164. Will not watch the convention, but do watch Brit Hume’s daily show, mostly for the round-table.
    I find the commentary here, plus the coverage by talk-radio quite enough (it also saves me the expense of buying a new TV every day).

    Another Drew (630659)

  165. Even the Yahoo headline writers are getting into the partisanship today. I just noticed on the Yahoo homepage that the following top news headline:

    “Clinton facing new GOP attacks ahead of speech”

    actually has nothing to do with GOP attacks and instead leads to a story about internal democratic bickering with the following headline:

    “Democrats bicker over how hard to hit McCain”

    Stay classy Yahoo.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  166. I flipped between FOX and CNN, but didn’t watch a whole lot of it on either…

    I have to say that I still like Hannity and Colmes…

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  167. I don’t find it necessary to have commentators interpret what someone just said for me, unlike my bretheren on the left. I’m perfectly capable of understanding spoken words. The network doesn’t matter. I don’t get cable so I don’t have Fox or PMSNBC as choices, although for some reason I receive CNN, TNT and TBS with my television hookup.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  168. Dmac – 4 hours straight MSNBC. It was brutal. Better Half kept asking me why I was doing that to myself. I also liked to watch them on the primary night election coverage. It saved me having to guess what the Leftist spin would be the next day.

    JD (75f5c3)

  169. Just browsing over at HH, and found a string of comments re a commenter named “gus” who, it seems, left an anti-semitic screed in ALL CAPS that was pure rant, and has been taken down.
    Gee, could that be anyone we know over here?

    Another Drew (630659)

  170. JD @ 10:37…
    I hope your Better Half suitably denounced you?
    Bigot!

    Another Drew (630659)

  171. Michelle Obama as First Lady would greatly help bring back our standing in the world and resurrect our American spirit of hope, and, a “yes, we can do this”-attitude. Get things done without destroying the state, without sacrificing American lives in wars based on lies and concoctions, without torturing people in the name of “national security” and without shredding the constitution.

    She is a genuinely warm and loving human being, a mother, daughter, sister and wife, radiating enthusiasm and positive energy, all the same time sharp, curious and insightful, and undoubtedly deserving where her talents propelled her.
    THIS ought to be the big news being reported from the convention.
    I cannot imagine anybody with a spark of life and hope inside their hearts whose heart is not touched by this Great American.

    Michelle Obama – we want to see more of you in the coming weeks so that people will see with their own eyes what is their choice, which family ought to move into the White House to get us out of the current nightmare and multi-faceted disaster.

    Wolfgang Liedtke (bb51fe)

  172. WL @ 10:47…
    and, what PR firm do you flack for?

    Another Drew (630659)

  173. Oiram,

    I watched about 2 hours of the Convention Monday night and I watched it on MSNBC. I don’t think I watched Fox News at all on Monday. However, I like to listen to Fox Business in the mornings – it’s on in the background when I get dressed.

    DRJ (a5243f)

  174. Wolf Gang,

    No one ever said these 2 don’t put on good party clothes. If Obama were the ‘real’ Obama he wants us to believe, he wouldn’t need to ask the DOJ to censor campaign ads which reference his own past and personal choices. (!)

    And yes, you’ll be seeing much more of the Michelle you like. It’s the flip side of the wife who spoke about her lack of pride in America, while sucking at the teat of its best eoe opportunities, making the most of herself and her career. You won’t hear too much now of the wife who tried to hide her thesis topic – or the downtrodden poor she steered to other clinics while working at the Chitown hospital. You won’t hear of her nice home or the illegal deal via Tony Rezko, an old family friend. You won’t hear about any of it if Obama can just get the DOJ to jump in and protect his lifetime of radical politics and various far-left loon friends.

    Looking and sounding great for the camera is what this couple excels at. Duplicitous; fake. Eye candy.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  175. What a thread, what a thread.

    Hmmm… that seems to say it all.

    Since I’ve got nothing else to say, I’ll say this: the Pixies rule.

    Leviticus (650240)

  176. Bambi’s friends, Frank and Bill, are perverts. His grandfather, who was also friendly with Frank, was so obsessed he gave his daughter a boy’s name: Stanley.

    Bambi says he wasn’t listening to Reverend Wrong, but he was close to the chior director, who’s recently deceased. Michelle seems like the sort of domineering woman a soft man might be able to get along with.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  177. Thanks JD #158, Another Drew #164, Scott #166, Daley #167 and DRJ #173. All intelligent answers to a simple question of my curiosity at #159. I learned a lot :)

    #160 Rope, Thanks for letting me know it was Fox, but I could of done without the anti Democrat Rant, (your telling me something about the way you feel that I was well aware of.)

    #163 Dmac writes: “Just out of curiosity, can you ever come up with one original thought on this site, one that doesn’t assume we’re all lockstep Rethuglicans?”

    It was just a question Dmac. I know your not all lockstep “Rethuglicans” as you put it. But when your rude like that, how else are libs going to perceive you?

    Peace Everyone

    Oiram (983921)

  178. AD – Better Half is a minority, so she knows I am no racist 😉

    JD (75f5c3)

  179. What kinda bugs me is women are minorities, in context to the pay and benefits awarded to men.

    Women are minorities but generally passed over for society’s preferred minorities (of color).

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  180. I would like to see Laura Bush, Cindy McCain, or any of these “intelligent” critics and bloggers to do what she did- speak in front of that kind of audience with grace, eloquence, and intelligence. People who have commented on her dress, hair, etc. should go back to American Idol.

    Nancy McCullough (9c5626)

  181. Wow, I need to see a doctor. I read through this whole thread!

    Well, OK, I skimmed through JOHN’s stuff. How long before somebody confesses to this? My guess is that JOHN is either Stashiu or Venable. Or maybe, since his IQ is large enough, Stash was playing both parts.

    Hey, as a parish pastor I’ve dealt with my share of eccentric nutcases (both upper and lower) and I’ve never met one who could be as clever at being an idiot as JOHN. His random meanderings included more fragmentary literary and historical referents than you usually get from your typical ironmonger.

    Thanks to whoever you are for the great laugh.

    Don (0c42a2)

  182. But please, JOHN, don’t do it again. Once is funny. More is just pathetic.

    Don (0c42a2)

  183. Michelle speaks well, which is nice. It actually has nothing to do with her value system. I do like and enjoy a good speaker and in that respect she’s a benefit to the campaign. Emil Jones chose someone with a media-friendly look and good teleprompter skills. Thus, the ascension of BHO.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  184. #159 Daley Asks:
    “Oiram – Why does it matter what channel you watched it on unless you want to pay any attention to the commentators?”

    In a perfect world, you are correct Daley. But unfortunately all the networks are going to show you there side of the convention. Even if you make a point of muting the commentators, the cut away shots of the audience could be very telling.

    I watched a Fox the audience seemed bored, where as CNN showed a tearer eyed audience. Both are probably misleading exaggerations.

    I’m guessing the same will happen with The RNC.

    Perspectives are everything my friends.

    Again just curios, I don’t have any axes to grind with Fox, Cnn, Republicans or anyone here at Patterico.

    Oiram (983921)

  185. Thanks JD #158, Another Drew #164, Scott #166, Daley #167 and DRJ #173. All intelligent answers to a simple question of my curiosity at #159. I learned a lot

    Anything resembling an intelligent answer from me should be regarded as an occurance due to mere chance. :)

    speak in front of that kind of audience with grace, eloquence, and intelligence

    Not to pick nits, but frankly almost anyone could give a speach with grace, eloquence, and intelligence is it was prepared beforehand and vetted by staffers…

    put her in a chair with a mic, and have her speak off then cuff. then I’ll be impressed.

    Scott Jacobs (a1c284)

  186. Eva Peron was a good speaker, too.
    What does that prove?
    Policy! Policy! Policy!
    That is the criterion that needs to be used to gauge the words of The One (and his acolytes) by.

    Another Drew (9b55da)

  187. #185 Ronald Reagan was the first to perfect exactly what your talking about.

    So The F what?

    We will have a chance to see what’s what in the upcoming debates.

    Oiram (983921)

  188. Michelle speaks well, which is nice. It actually has nothing to do with her value system. I do like and enjoy a good speaker and in that respect she’s a benefit to the campaign.
    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 8/26/2008 @ 12:36 pm

    Exactly. She’s a gorgeous woman and an excellent speaker. Her politics and attitude, both clearly on display from nearly Day One in this campaign, are terrible.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  189. #185, Oh wait, are you already covering up for McCain’s future gaffs by taking an “Anyone could prepare a good speech” attitude?

    Hope not.

    Oiram (983921)

  190. My guess is that JOHN is either Stashiu or Venable.
    Comment by Don — 8/26/2008 @ 12:34 pm

    I can’t take credit Don. I’ve never sock-puppeted anywhere except Ace’s where it’s part of the culture to use fake names like “John Bolton’s mustache” or such. I agree that once like JOHN was funny, but more would be overdoing it.

    Comment by Xrlq — 8/26/2008 @ 10:10 am

    Since you saw fit to remove the winky-face in my comment when you copy & pasted it, in the future I’ll assume that any effort to joke with you and agree-to-disagree will be likewise wasted and refrain. Nice to know that I’m personally responsible for an Obama win if it happens.

    Zombie Reagan/Patterico ’08!!

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  191. Since you saw fit to remove the winky-face in my comment…
    Comment by Stashiu3 — 8/26/2008 @ 12:54 pm

    I don’t think those copy, to be fair. Let’s try. Here’s a smiley: :)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  192. I don’t think those copy, to be fair. Let’s try. Here’s a smiley:

    Comment by no one you know — 8/26/2008 @ 12:57 pm

    And here’s me copying it.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  193. Didn’t copy. Unless you were joking in the first place. In which case I apologize :( :( :(
    :)

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  194. Here’s a cat if you need one.
    v. .v

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  195. Nope, didn’t know they didn’t copy… thank you very much noyk. :)

    I’m still assuming he was serious though since his response was the same as before and he didn’t put a smiley or sarc-tag on his comment either.

    No worries… my vote won’t be wasted or thrown away. Saying that is like saying anyone who doesn’t vote for the eventual winner “threw away” their vote. I made that point before, but apparently it wasn’t accepted. His problem, not mine.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  196. Dogs too.

    U. .U _______/

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  197. Dogs too.

    U. .U _______/

    Comment by Vermont Neighbor — 8/26/2008 @ 1:10 pm

    Had seen a cat but not a dog. Fun!

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  198. We will have a chance to see what’s what in the upcoming debates.

    Not Baracky’s forte’, unless they allow teleprompters.

    Oh wait, are you already covering up for McCain’s future gaffs by taking an “Anyone could prepare a good speech” attitude?

    There is a difference between preparing a good speech and delivering same. Baracky can read a teleprompter with the best of them.

    JD (75f5c3)

  199. Thanks. I just did that for this thread.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  200. Gee, isn’t it great to have a potential First Lady who’s so clean and articulate?

    BTW, she wears dresses because her rear end is so big she looks like a bowling ball in pants suits.

    Ropelight (4a83c9)

  201. I was rooting for it to be you, Stash. Your replies were droll, and so nicely timed.

    But somebody was having fun with us. I’ve actually known people who talk like that. In fact, I recently did a funeral for a woman whose husband could have given JOHN a run for his money with Will Rogers type pithy statements and off the wall comments. But even he couldn’t keep up the running string of non sequiturs, the hilarious mix of mispellings and loony typing.

    Don (c7af67)

  202. I once got an envelope marked “donut seeds” from a visitor to church. It had Cheerios in it. When he came he would put an envelope in the offering plate containing a fake $5 bill and some paper clips or rubber bands. He quit coming when we failed to thank him for an unmarked “gift” he left laying under the coat rack in the narthex.

    JOHN, was that you?

    Don (c7af67)

  203. #198, “There is a difference between preparing a good speech and delivering same. Baracky can read a teleprompter with the best of them.”

    Again JD we shall see, or better yet we shall spin what we see……. right? I mean lets call it correctly. We will spin what we see for sure.

    By the way again, Ronald Reagan read a teleprompter with the best of them.

    And sometimes he needed Nancy to help him deliver a speech.

    Great President though.

    Oiram (983921)

  204. It was like he went to a “moonbat phrase-generator”, then a “wingnut phrase-generator”, mixed’em all together with the “Politically Incorrect Guide to the American Revolution” and had his cat decide when the caps-lock key should be used.

    I really hope it was a sock-puppet, but sadly… I’m still not sure. Actually, I’m unsure about both most of them you. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  205. And sometimes he needed Nancy to help him deliver a speech.
    Comment by Oiram — 8/26/2008 @ 1:40 pm

    Umm… no, don’t think so. Try reading “Reagan’s War” or “Dutch” sometime. You’d be surprised at what is true about Reagan (and what is not).

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  206. Stashiu #205. What is true, is what I saw. Nancy helped him answer questions addressed to the press back in the eighties. I don’t remember what year it was, but it did happen.

    I’m not knocking him for that mind you. I meant it when I said he was a great president.

    Careful what you read out there Stashiu, it may be severely slanted.

    Oiram (983921)

  207. I can usually do a pretty good parody, but JOHN is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond what I am capable of. That would take a bottle or real German Jaegermeister, a handful of tequila worms, sOmE uPpErs, SoMe DoWnErS, an 8-ball of Peruvian Gold, and a few hammer blows to the head.

    JD (75f5c3)

  208. A joint interview where the First Lady actually speaks is not a speech. What speech did she help him with?

    I made two book recommendations, take them for whatever you feel they’re worth. I wasn’t soliciting for advice though. That was a pretty arrogant statement coming from someone who parrots left-wing talking points and never backs them up. I know you believe all conservatives are brain-dead morons marching in lockstep as Big Brother announces the daily agenda over the loudspeaker, but believe it or not, it’s not a choir or echo-chamber here (unlike many leftist sites). If you don’t know that yet, you might never get it.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  209. Comment by JD — 8/26/2008 @ 1:58 pm

    I can’t sock-puppet for more than one snarky comment. I’m more a counter-puncher than originator.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  210. I remember a campaign stop by RR in 1966 when he was running for Gov.
    He did 15-20 minutes off a small stack of 3X5 cards held in the palm of his hand.
    Then he did the same amount of time taking questions from the audience. Everyone got an answer.
    After the event, I asked him about the cards. He pulled them out of his jacket pocket, and riffed through them. Each one had one or two subject lines, that was all. Just a prompt to get him where he wanted to go.
    Read Peggy Noonan’s book about when she was a speechwriter in the WH for RR, also Pat Buchanan’s.
    They mention how their drafts would come back with complete passages re-written by the Boss.
    He knew what he wanted to say, and he knew how to say it.

    Another Drew (9b55da)

  211. “So The F what?”

    I see – so this is your classy and polite response, but I’m the rude one? Oiram, you’re a hypocrite.

    Dmac (874677)

  212. Hillary better be careful although she had 18,000,000 votes she still did not win! If she does not rally aroung Obama she can forget ever making it to the White House as President. If she doesn’t really show she’s really working for “unity” in the party – she will be remembered as the divisive one. If it costs Obama the election then Obama’s supporters surely will not support her in the future. However, if she works to unite the party; when his 2 terms are up – his supporters will rally around her. Afterall, had she gotten out of the race earlier the party would be closer to being healed than they are now. Hillary supporters – get over it and move on! If you can vote for McCain; who stands for nothing Hillary does over Obama who has very similar ideas and goals as Hillary; then I think your reason for supporting her must not be based on what she stood for! Maybe because she is a “white female”.

    Esther (9476b8)

  213. See JD? That’s different than a Moby… but it certainly sounds an awful lot like Mark/Matt/John in trying to sound so partisan/crazy they get snarky responses. It would be funny if they were all the same person.

    Come on, fess up whoever you are. 😉

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  214. #208, No Stashiu, it was not a speech. But it was not a joint interview either. It was a reporter asking him a question. He used a teleprompter for his speeches like all Presidents do now, that was my point to a previous commenter.

    Stashiu,
    It’s obvious you don’t read all of my comments, that’s o.k., I don’t read all of yours either, if you just read all of the ones here, you will see that I don’t think conservatives are “Brain-dead morons marching in lockstep” as you put it.
    I even said more than once that Ronald Reagan was a great president.

    I guess I struck a nerve when I told you not to believe everything you read “it could be slanted” sorry about that. You were thinking I meant Nancy helped our President with a speech, not with press questions so you cited books apparently debunking Reagan myths ……. misunderstanding is all.

    Oiram (983921)

  215. Frankly, I think you guys are all the same person. One with loads of time on his/her hands and a slammin’ sense of humor.

    no one you know (1f5ddb)

  216. #212- as if Hillary will be viable candidate in 2016 or want to wait that long. I hope the emperor with no clothes, the lightworker Obama faces a coup.
    #213 and why wouldn’t the recently departed or strangely absent usual suspects be candidates for sock puppetry? It’s difficult to keep up with all the threads when only the last ten are highlighted at upper side margin.

    Mr. Patterico recently posted that Levi won’t be back in any case because of some egregious comment in moderation that went over the line. Sadly, I suppose we’ll never know. I’m all for free speech, unlike Lord Baraky, the crybaby. Let the likes of Mikey Moore and Jimmy Carter spew their nonsense for all America to hear. As one exmaple of offensive speech, I did think Levi’s equating American soldiers to “cum rags” was beyond the pale.
    Is it so hard to switch computers or use one at library to send out a different IP address?
    Haven’t seen Love1008 lately either, but recall DRJ warned him/her to apologize or go into moderation after one of her/his insults.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  217. You were thinking I meant Nancy helped our President with a speech, not with press questions so you cited books apparently debunking Reagan myths ……. misunderstanding is all.

    Forgive me for reading what you wrote as it was written.

    And sometimes he needed Nancy to help him deliver a speech.
    Comment by Oiram — 8/26/2008 @ 1:40 pm

    Silly me, misunderstanding you like that. A reporter asking a question that the First Lady is there and can answer… not a joint interview. By your memory no less.

    I don’t remember what year it was, but it did happen.

    Of course it did.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  218. Haven’t seen Love1008 lately either, but recall DRJ warned him/her to apologize or go into moderation after one of her/his insults.
    Comment by madmax333 — 8/26/2008 @ 3:24 pm

    She did right here. Hasn’t been around much since though.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  219. Esther – You are an idiot.

    JD (5f0e11)

  220. #211 DMAC.

    How convenient, you call me a hypocrite without citing the numbers on my comments. Is that to avoid looking ridiculous?

    If you look at comments #185 and #187, you will see that you completely regurgitated what I said only changed the words, hence “What the F”.

    Am I classy….. maybe not, Hypocrite? I try not to be.

    Oiram (983921)

  221. Oiram – You should pay attention to your own assertions.

    JD (5f0e11)

  222. YOUR ALL PATHETIC AND BLIND BLIND FAITH MEMBERS OF BOTH INSOLENT AND IN NEED OF A “PEOPLES BITCH SLAP” ..SEE BACK AND FORTH IDIOCY ON HERE LAST NIGHT 3:00 A.M THROUGH 7:00 A.M E.S.T
    RETARDS FROM AMERICA’S 16TH WORLD RANKED UNIVERSITY AND OVERALL EDUCATION SYSTEM. POMPOUS, ARROGANT AND UNBELIEVABLY STUPID.
    BEN FRANKLIN AND FOUNDING FATHERS INSIST YOU NEVER BLINDLY ATTACH TO ANY PARTY /IDEOLOGY AND AT TIMES YOU YOU MUST COMPROMISE YOUR WEAK NARCESISTIC VALUES THAT CHANGE AS OFTEN AS THE WIND BLOWS…AS THE FOUNDERS DID TO BREATHE LIFE INTO 13 DIVIDED COLONIES.
    DID YOU MISS THAT IN ACADEMIA ? THEY REPLACED U.S HISTORY WITH ” SALLY HAS 2 MOMMIES, FEEL GOOD POLITICALLY CORRECT BULLSHIT.
    PANTY WASTE TREE HUGGING DEMOCRATS W/ A 60 INCH ELECTRICITY SUKIN T.V AND A.C CRANKED UP TO 10..( BUT YOUR COVERED BECAUSE YOU HAVE A PINK TRIANGLE AND GIVE PEACE A CHANCE STICKER ON YOUR 1884 TOYOTA… TO WATCH YOUR PARTY CHOOSE NOT TO MENTION EVEN 1 OF THE 30 ENORMOUS PROBLEMS OUR COUNTRY AS A WHOLE FACES ..AND MOST ARE GRAVE NATIONAL SECURITY PROBLEMS..NOT ONCE DID YOU FIGHT OR EVEN STATE THE OBVIOUS…YOU NOW LOOSE, IT’S OVER MY GREENPEACE, TREE HUGGING ROSIE ODONNEL DOMINATED WIMPS, DIKES AND PUSSIES….IT’S OVER IN 1 NIGHT JUST AS IN 2004- HILARY NEEDS TO REACH THE EARS OF PARTY SPLITTING VOTERS AND AFTER LAST NIGHT NARY AN EAR OR EYE WILL TUNE INTO TONIGHTS LINE UP OF ..I SUPPOSE.. THE MOST LEFT WING SOCIALIST ,OLD WASHINGTON STAPLES SUCH AS JESS JACKSON, JIMMY FUCKIN CARTE..MY GOD AND TEDDY ” CAN YA SWIM?” KENNEDY ..WHY DON’T YA ROLL OUT CHAVES AND STALINS BODY TONIGHT ?????????
    I HAVE HEARD ALOT OF SELF PROCLAIMED GENIUS’ HERE AND QUITE PLAINLY NONE OF YOU MAKE A PIMPLE ON MY ASS AS I HAVE NOT FORMULATED MY OPINIONS FROM WOLF BLITZER, CNN OR FOX..I HAVE LIVED THE TIMES SINCE 1967 AND READ THE GREAT WRITINGS OF OUR FOUNDING FATHERS AS WELL AS LIVED MY ENTIRE 41 YEARS IN CENTRAL N.J WHERE HISTORIC SIGNS HANG ON EVERY OTHER HOUSE..” CONTINENTAL ARMY CAMPED HERE 1775 “.. GEORGE WASHINMGTON SLEPT HERE 1776″ ALL VERIFIED.
    MY PLAYGROUND IN SOUTH PLAINFIELD WAS A DRY LAKE BED WHERE WE FOUND MUSKET BALLS AND INDIAN ARROW HEADS ON A DAILY BASIS . WE WOULD BRING THEM TO OUR CATHOLIC SCHOOL WHERE NO ONE WAS ” DIDDLED” AND THEY SENT OUR ARTIFACTS OFF TO RUTGERS UNIVERSITY FOR DISPLAY AND DATING.
    SO TELL ME OH GREAT MINDS OF ACADEMIA..AM I NOW QUALIFIED TO SPEAK ON THE TOPIC OF FREEDOM, OUR GREAT COUNTRIES FUTURE BEING DESTROYED BY BOTH PARTIES BLIND LOYALISTS AND ERROSION OF OUR STANDING BY FOWL NEO-CONS ?
    WILL YOU INDULDGE MY FACTS ON YOUR BLOG THING WITH ONLY THE FOUNDERS PURE WORDS IN MIND ??
    NOW I’LL DESCRIBE THE CORPORATE OWNED , NEO- CONSERVATIVE NEW WORLD ODOR DOUCHE BAGS THAT HAVE RAPED OUR CONSTITUTION, INVADED A SOVERIEGN NATION THEREBY WRITING CHINA AND RUSSIA A LITERAL ” BLANK CHECK’ TO INVADE ANY SOVERIEGN THEY LIKE.. OH THE RUSSIANS DID ALREADY AND JAKED 6 OF OUR HUMVEES AND 1 BILLION WE GAVE THAT GEORGIAN WESTERN PUPPET IDIOT LIKE OURS PRESIDENT..NOW WE PLEDGE ANOTHER 1 BILLION YEATERDAY..PAY ATTENTION TREE HUGGERS WHILE YOU WERE WATCHING THE WALTER MONDALE STYLE COLLAPSE OF YOUR AFRO , SELF PROCLAIMED MESSIAH SAVIOR OF THE COUNTRY SOCIALIST ELITIST..WE DID PLEDGE YESTERDAY TO GIVE GEORGIA 1 BILLION TO REPLACE BRIDGES AND INFRASRUCTURE RUSSIA JUST TOOK OUT BECAUSE CHENEY THAT FUCK ENCOURAGED THEM TO ENCROACH ON 2 STRONGLY PRO- RUSSIAN TERRITORIES.
    MCSAME WILL IGNITE A NEW COLD WAR AND THIS TIME WE ARE THE WEAK. HE IS A P.O.W FROM A 40 YEAR OLD LIFE WASTED, FAMILIES DESTROYED, MISTREATED HONORABLE VETERANS ( WALTER REED ) MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX MONEY GRAB CORPORATE PROFIT WAR ” HARVARD PUKE MACNAMARA AND THE WIZ KIDS” ..JUST LIKE THE MCDONALDS, CITIBANK, PAWN SHOP, GAS STATION, STRIP MALL, REPEAT , REPEAT AD INFINITUM ACROSS THE U.S AND HOPE, HOPE WE CAN DELIVER THE SAME STRIP MALL CORPORATE OWNED BUSH/MCSAME TAG- TEAMING MAKE THE COMMON MAN /WOMAN ” AIRTIGHT- 3 HOLES FILLED BY THE NEO-CON DICK ” CORPORATE SHILL OWNED HOLY AND DIVINELY ANNOINTED THREESOME OF CHENEY, ROVE AND THE REDNECK 2 I.Q BOY lil bush.. CHURCH and state combining ,not seperating ..constitution shredding SYSTEM TO IRAQ !
    NOT WORKING, WILL NOT WORK IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY OHH BLINDLY PATRIOTIC FOOLS..NEVER IN A MUSLIM COUNTRY AND A SOVERIEGN ONE AT THAT..WE WILL PAY A DEAR PRICE FOR THAT ” DADDY’S PAYBACK” WAR ONE DAY..EVERY ACTION HAS AN EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION.
    WHICH BRINGS ME TO MY CONCLUSION THAT BOTH BLINDLY LED PARTY LOYALIST ARE MISSING THE POINT OF THE FOUNDERS AND DEMOCRACY COMPLETELY! WHILE YOU SPELL CHECK AND CORRECT EACH OTHERS GRAMMAR RIGHTS ARE LOST, HOMES AND FAMILYS ABANDONED IN FORECLOSURE AND NATIONAL DEBT INCREASES EXPONENTIALLY IDIOTS !!!
    KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE BALL BASTARD CHILDREN OF RECENT PRESIDENTS AND BABY BOOMERS THAT TAKE , TAKE TAKE..NEVER GIVING ONE BIT TO THIS COUNTRY.
    BLIND FAITH HAS CAUSED MORE DEATH AND DESTRUCTION ON THIS PLANET THAN ANY DISEASE, WAR OR FAMINE EVER COULD..PESTILIENCE, IGNORANCE AND BLIND FAITH OH SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF LIBERTY.
    JOIN WITH ME NOW IN CALLING OUT THE POWER LUSTING/HUNGRY, NOT ACTING IN THE PEOPLES INTERESTS ONE BIT..BUT THIER OWN PERSONAL ASPIRATIONS AND DRAG YOUR SORRY SHEEPLE ASSES ALONG FOR THE RIDE AS IF YOUR TO SHARE ONE MORSEL OF THIER PERSONAL POWER GRAB.
    OHH SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF LIBERTY YOUR INTENTIONS AND EFFORTS ARE GOOD AND WORTHY OF THE FOUNDERS ATTENTION..YET FALL STUNNINGLY FAR AND DISTANT FROM THE CORE INTERESTS OF THE PEOPLE AS A WHOLE, NOT 1/2 OF THE CITIZENRY…ALL..100 PERCENT OF THE CITIZENRYS INTERESTS BY WISE COMPROMISE.
    EACH PROBLEM WE FACE AS A UNITED FREE PEOPLE IS IS TO BE ADDRESSED AND RECTIFIED WITH INTELLIGENT DEBATE, RAPID DUE PROCESS AND COMPROMISE.
    13 SEPERATE COLONIES COMPROMISED SOME OF THIER MOST ARDENT BELIEFS TO ATTAIN FREEDOM AS A WHOLE. WHILE YOU SPELL CHECK THIS TO AFFIRM YOUR SUPERIOR INTELLIGENCE BY POINTING OUT MY GRAMMAR ERRORS AND CONCERN YOURSELVES WITH THE DRAMA OF A FOWL CARPET BAGGING, POWER LUSTING, STOP AT NOTHING CORPORATE LAWYER, SCORNED TO THE POINT OF TEARING HER OWN PARTY APART AND LOSING WHAT SHOULD BE A 12 POINT MIN. LEAD GIVEN CURRENT SHIITE STATE OF AFFAIRS KING GEORGE AND CO., COULDN’T FUCK UP MORE IF THEY TRIED LEFT US DID I MENTION POWER HUNGRY TO THE POINT OF RABID WOMAN?
    ALONG WITH A SO FAR OUT OF TOUCH 80 YEAR OLD P.O.W EAGER TO START A COLD WAR AND SERVE SOME RAMBO STYLE PAYBACK ON RUSSIAN COMMIES THAT BACKED THE PEOPLE THAT STUCK BAMBOO STIX UP HIS ASS WAVING HIS CLENCHED OLD WRINGLED PALE FIST AT RUSSIA AND CHINA LIKE THE OLD MAN THAT CHASED YOU W/ A PITCHFORK TO GET OFF HIS LAWN WHEN YOUR BASEBALL LANDED IN HIS GARDEN ..’ HOW MANY HOUSES DO I OWN ? MARRIED HUGE MONEY ..SUMS OF WHICH THE MAJORITY OF YOU PEOPLE WILL NEVER KNOW CORPORATE OWNED SHILL.. BUT HE AND FAT ASS PILL POPPIN RUSH LIMBAUGH AND REPUBLICANS LOOKIN FOR GAY SEX IN AIRPORT SHITHOUSES HAVE THE PEOPLES INTERESTS FOREMOST IN THIER DIMENTIA LACED ,ONLY SEE DOLLAR , DOLLAR BILLS Y’ALL MINDS ..I’M SURE.
    AND FINALLY THE ALMIGHTY, WENT TO ISRAEL LAST MONTH TO VISIT THE MANGER HE WAS BORN IN ELITIST ,I’LL SHOW WHITEY HOW SMART I AM”, POWER MAD HUSBAND AND WIFE “CHIP ON THE SHOULDER” DYING TO BE THE FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILY IN WHITE HOUSE TEAM THAT CAN’T WAIT FOR A HURRICANE TO HIT WHITE SUBURBIA SO THEY CAN DELAY RELIEF AS PAYBACK FOR THE REDNECKS DELAY IN KATRINA THEREBY REAFFIRMING TO BLACKS ACROSS THE LAND THAT THEY ARE ” STILL BLACK AND DOWN WITH THE HOMIES”.
    (BET THEY PAINT IT PURPLE IF GOD HITS MCSAME WITH LIGHTNING AND OBAMA WINS ..HEY IT’S THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN NOW DUE TO INFIGHTING AND ROLLING OUT THE MOST LEFT -LEANING SOCIALIST CHAVEZ SYMPATHIZERS NAMED CARTER, JACKSON JR. AND KENNEDY ON FIRST NIGHT OF CONVENTION INSTEAD OF HITTING THE NEO-CONS SQUARE IN THE NUTS WITH FACTS AND FIGURES FROM MINUTE 1 THEREBY SYSTEMATICLY DISMANTLING THE ” NEW WORLD ODOR” AND CURRENT TYRANT WE HAVE BEEN OPPRESED AND BANKRUPTED BY AND SEALING THE WIN BY LANDSLIDE..BUT NO..THEY DECIDE TO SWING THE GAME TO THE BI-POLAR OPPOSITE LEFT…BRILLIANT !
    THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DO NOT SWING WAY LEFT OR RIGHT WHEN IN THE BOOTH THEY TEND TO ADHERE TO THE FOUNDERS COMPROMISE EXAMPLE AND STAY AS CLOSE TO THE MIDDLE AS POSSIBLE ..WITH THE EXCEPTION OF EXTREMISTS FROM CHURCH ON THE RIGHT AND FREE EVERYTHING FOR EVERYONE VIRTUAL COMMUNIST/SOCIALIST , CHE GUAVARA LOVING ,SEXUAL GENDER EXPERIMENTING AND MINORITIES ON THE LEFT.
    BOTH EQUALLY , PERSONAL IDEOLOGY DRIVEN, NOT 1 BIT BETTER THAN ANY MUSLIM EXTREMIST..KILL THOSE WHO OPPOSE ,DAMN NEGOTIATION, FREE AND OPEN DIALOGUE AND COMPROMISE.
    AFTER ALL…THEY WENT TO A 16TH IN THE WORLD RANKED U.S UNIVERSITY AND WERE GRANTED BY GOD HIMSELF THE GIFT OF IRREFUTABLE DIVINE KNOWLEDGE OF WHAT’S BEST FOR 300 MILLION OF OUR COUNTRYMEN RIGHT..WE MUST TRUST ACADEMIA TO GUIDE US THROUGH THESE COMING DARK HOURS OF OUR NATION FOR IT WAS THEY THAT PUT US IN THIS MESS AND THEY WILL SURELY BE QUICK TO OFFER UP THE ABSOLUTE SOLUTIONS ALL IN 1 DAY FOR THE NIGHTMARE BUNDLE OF PROBLEMS WE FACE…OBAMA WILL..ON 20 JANUARY, 2009.. GOD WILLING WAVE HIS MAGICAL TRIBAL WAND BY DIVINE RIGHT OF BIRTH IN THE MANGER… BRING RACIAL HARMONY, INSTANT ECONOMIC HEALING AND WORLD PEACE TO OUR PITIFUL, LOWLEY, UNEDUCATED, MISINFORMED AND NON-ANNOINTED BY GOD HIMSELF GREAT ..BUT GROSSLY LACKING UNENLIGHTENED POPULUS AND COUNTRY..ALL HAIL THE SAVIOUR? OF DEMOCRACY ?
    THE CLINTONS, OBAMA’S, CHENEYS, BUSHIES, KENNEDYS, CARTERS AND OTHER TOO FAR LEFT OR RIGHT TO EVEN FATHOM COMPROMISE..OF WHICH THE STUPID , IGNORANT, STUBBORN , ARROGANT AND SELFISH BENJAMIN FRANKLIN STATED ” IS THE CORNERSTONE OF NEGOTIATION”..COMPROMISE ALWAYS GETS IT DONE.
    JUST ASK ALL THE NAMES AT BOTTOM OF DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE THAT ARGUED BITTERLY YET WISELY THIER POSITIONS IN A LOCKED, OVER 105 DEGREE CONTINENTAL CONGRESS IN PHILADELPHIA FOR 3 DAYS STRAIGHT W/O A BREAK FROM 29 JUNE, 1776 THROUGH 2 JULY ( NOT AN ERROR, JULY 2ND, NOT 4TH WAS DAY DEC. WAS SIGNED BY ALL) TO ACHIEVE …
    SAY IT ALONG WITH ME OHHH SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF LIBERTY, LOVERS OF FREEDOMS AND A GOVERNMENT BY AND FOR THE PEOPLE….COMPROMISE !!!
    SINCERELY, POOR RICHARD
    P.S POOR RICHARDS E-MAIL ADDY IS johndall67@hotmail.com he lives in central n.j on the very hallowed ground the continental army marched , some w/o shoes, mere rags on thier bloody barefeet in the snow and starving during the still coldest winter on record in n.j…lead by the only the 2nd man in world history to abdigate total supreme power of a nation freely and willingly to deliver the most powerfull, oppresive ,tyrant led military on earth the final death blow at valley forge pa., a mere 26 miles from where i sit today.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND GOD BLESS THESE HOPEFULLY ONE DAY.. UNITED STATES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    JOHN (513ad9)

  223. #217, thank you Stashiu for believing what we all saw in the eighties……. very refreshing for you to believe me.

    If you note the context of my comments, you will see that I was not disrespecting Reagan.

    Oiram (983921)

  224. JOHN 3:42pm

    You’re on the wrong blog.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  225. #222, Say what you want about me, at least I don’t do what John just did.

    John, you are not going to get any message across that way.

    Try editing……. a lot.

    Oiram (983921)

  226. #221 I Try JD, I really do.

    Oiram (983921)

  227. YOU CAN COMMENT ON GRAMMAR AND MISPeLinGSeD now instead of the issues..let’s see that 3rd grade grammaticly correct,,,perfect puncuation….. and razor sharp wit geniuses…don’t worry about the 40 trillion total debt, 40% of gdp that currently goes to interest alone on our debt..the power mad millionares that thirst and lust for a job that pays $400,000 a year job.
    I’M QUITE SURE THEY THINK OF YOU AND I, OUR CHILDRENS FUTURE AND THE FOUNDERS PRINCIPALS EVERY DAY THEY SIT IN THE PEOPLES HOUSE..QUITE SURE INDEED :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  228. “Is that to avoid looking ridiculous?”

    Au contraire – I’d say you’re doing a very good job of beclowning yourself daily on this blog.

    Dmac (874677)

  229. The Cretinous John is back. Didn’t bother reading his drivel. Can someone with a masochistic streak give us a brief synopsis of the psychosis? You know dipshit, lots of people don’t even try to read all caps, let alone try to understand moronic spewings. bioya,mfer and gfy

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  230. #228, Very Funny DMAC,
    So I see your o.k. with the French now? “Au contraire” Are they no longer “Freedom Fries” too?

    Oiram (983921)

  231. #210

    I remember a campaign stop by RR in 1966 when he was running for Gov.
    He did 15-20 minutes off a small stack of 3X5 cards held in the palm of his hand.
    Then he did the same amount of time taking questions from the audience. Everyone got an answer.
    After the event, I asked him about the cards. He pulled them out of his jacket pocket, and riffed through them. Each one had one or two subject lines, that was all. Just a prompt to get him where he wanted to go.
    Read Peggy Noonan’s book about when she was a speechwriter in the WH for RR, also Pat Buchanan’s.
    They mention how their drafts would come back with complete passages re-written by the Boss.
    He knew what he wanted to say, and he knew how to say it.

    Great post, AD. And it ties in with his early radio work. His sportscasting was supposed to be pretty remarkable, at least as far as bringing a game to life. Nimble with words/ quick with humor.

    Oiram can try to infuse Nancy into it if he wants. She wasn’t the Dick Cheney character he implies, but did have tremendous influence on hirings, firings … the business of the business.

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  232. What can I say, Sarko’s awesome – he puts the “Gaul” back in the French, IMHO.

    Dmac (874677)

  233. Since you saw fit to remove the winky-face in my comment when you copy & pasted it, in the future I’ll assume that any effort to joke with you and agree-to-disagree will be likewise wasted and refrain.

    Then you’ll assume wrong. A more accurate assumption would be that I am too lazy to re-create that which does not copy and paste easily.

    But no, I didn’t assume you were kidding when you reiterated your plans to throw your vote away, nor was I kidding when I described voting for a third party candidate in a two-way race as throwing one’s vote away. Sorry if the truth hurts.

    Xrlq (62cad4)

  234. Let us pray!
    If you feel the need to vomit, check out the latest video homage to Obama called American Prayer with an assortment of Hollywood Obama fellators, including Jason Alexander and Forrest Whittaker, Whoopi, Manilow and Pamela Anderson ..all PRAYING to Obama. It is the cult of personality on steroids. The corner at NRO has the You tube video.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  235. O heavenly father who art in Chicago, save us from our celebrities and excesses for we have sinned by believing in a well-dressed huckster selling Socialism in a shiny suit. Let us call the DOJ for guidance and prayer in pursuit of our hopes and dreams ………

    Vermont Neighbor (a066ed)

  236. LOL..IT’S NICE TO SEE THAT MY NAME IS MENTIONED MORE THAN OBAMA’S, HILARY’S AND MCAINS COMBINED…AND YOU THOUGHT I WAS SSSTTTUUPID LOL..I SAID READ BETWEEN THE LINES OR READ IT BACKWARDS LIKE A BEATLES RECORD FOR THE SECRET MESSAGE :)
    ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL HAVE TO GRAB THE GROSSLEY DIVERTED AMERICAN ATTENTION SPAN W/ DivvvERSSIOn , rhetoric and a few caps n belligerent statements :)
    see how easy the sheeple are led ? viva la FRANKLIN !!!!

    JOHN (513ad9)

  237. THE 50 CENT WORDS ARE STUNNINGLY IMPRESSIVE..TOO BAD I’M NOT IMPRESSED – PERHAPS I’LL SUBMIT TO YOUR THESAURUS LIKE WIT LOL.
    JUST SAY WHAT THE FUK U MEAN, SPEAK ABOUT ISSUES/SOLUTIONS…WHILE YOU STILL HAVE THE RIGHT TO.
    WASTE TIME ON MICHELLES SPEECH, JIM “THE WORM”‘S COMMENT LAST NIGHT..A HALF -ASSED MADISON AVE. ATTEMPT TO BREATHE LIFE INTO THIS PARTY’S DEAD CARCASSE AND THE ” BEACON OF INTEGRITY” TEDDY F’N KENNEDY. IT’S OVER TREE HUGGERS AND HAVE FUN RAPING THE ECONOMY AND CONSTITUTION ANOTHER 4 YEARS NEO-CONS LOL.
    IT’S A LOOSE-LOOSE AGAIN..FOR YOUR NATION AND YOUR CHILDRENS DIMINISHED FUTURE.
    ” HE WHO HOLDS THE GOLD MAKES THE RULES”- CICERO

    JOHN (513ad9)

  238. NOW SAY GOODNIGHT GRACIE…….

    JOHN (513ad9)

  239. TONIGHTS Schedule of Events is as follows:

    7:00 pm OPENING FLAG BURNING
    7:15 pm PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE TO THE U.N.
    7:20 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    7:25 pm NONRELIGIOUS PRAYER AND WORSHIP – Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton
    7:45 pm CEREMONIAL TREE HUGGING – Darryl Hannah
    7:55 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    8:00 pm HOW I INVENTED THE INTERNET – Al Gore
    8:15 pm GAY WEDDING PLANNING – Rosie O’Donnell
    8:35 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    8:40 pm OUR TROOPS ARE WAR CRIMINALS – John Kerry
    9.00 pm MEMORIAL SERVICE FOR SADDAM AND HIS SONS – Cindy Sheehan and Susan Sarandon
    10:00 pm ANSWERING MACHINE ETIQUETTE – Alec Baldwin ( called his own daughter a little pig lol )
    11:00 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES Another TOAST
    11:05 pm COLLECTION FOR THE OSAMA BIN LADEN KIDNEY TRANSPLANT FUND – Barbara Streisand
    11:15 pm FREE THE FREEDOM FIGHTERS FROM GUANTANAMO BAY – Sean Penn
    11:30 pm OVAL OFFICE AFFAIRS – William Jefferson Clinton
    11:45 pm Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    11:50 pm HOW GEORGE BUSH BROUGHT DOWN THE WORLD TRADE TOWERS – Howard Dean
    12:15 am TRUTH IN BROADCASTING AWARD – Presented to Dan Rather by Michael Moore
    12:25 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    12:30 am SATELLITE ADDRESS – Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ( pres. of iran )
    12:45 am NOMINATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA – Nancy Pelosi
    1:00 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    1:05 am CORONATION OF BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
    1:30 am Ted Kennedy PROPOSES A TOAST
    1:35 am Bill Clinton asks Ted Kennedy to drive Hillary home.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  240. #231, guysgotta love you Vermont.

    Your even spinning what I say.

    I never said Nancy was the Dick Cheney character or implied it. I even meant what I said that Ronald Reagan was a great president (4th time saying it now).

    I was referring to one Ronald Reagan incident, and it was in context referring to a commenter here stating that Obama needs a teleprompter (As if he’s the only one who uses one).

    In case anyone else wants to spin……

    Try spinning a Democrat saying “Ronald Reagan was a great president and I truly mean that”.

    Sheesh.

    Oiram (983921)

  241. FROM NOW ON WE WILL ALWAYS BE AT WAR..OUR PAPER PUSHING ECONOMY AND MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX ( OF WHICH YOU WERE WARNED ABOUT IN EISENHOWERS FAREWELL ADDRESS) HAS FIRMLY SEEDED ITSELF IN EVERY FIBER OF OUR LIVES.
    DO YOU THINK WE WENT TO WAR FOR OIL , PROMOTE DEMOCRACY OR SOME PATRIOTIC PAYBACK FOR 9/11 ?
    TRY …CRINGE WHEN I SAY IT.. THINKING OUTSIDE THE BOX PEOPLE/SHEEPLE.
    FOR STARTERS WHAT WOULD 160,000 MOSTLY NON-SUPER LIFERS + 80,000 PRIVATE CONTRACTORS DO FOR EMPLOYMENT HERE AT HOME ?????? FOR STARTERS..SEE ” THEORY OF PERPETUAL WAR”

    JOHN (513ad9)

  242. Sorry if the truth hurts.
    Comment by Xrlq — 8/26/2008 @ 4:07 pm

    Opinion as truth. Where have I heard that before?

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  243. That email addy in 222 is eerily similar to mine. johndall…

    JOHN – You are a priceless gem.

    JD (5f0e11)

  244. LAST ONE..HAVE TO GET TO MY PUREST JOY IN LIFE..HOME MADE ICECREAM AT THE GERMAN ICE CREAM SHOP NEXT TOWN OVER..
    WHERE , INDEED, GEORGE WASHINGTON SLEPT..IT’S OFF OF WASHINGTON AVE. WHICH LEADS TO WASHINGTON ROCK…TOP OF WATCHUNG MOUNTAINS WHERE GEORGE SAW THE BRITISH ARMADA SAILING INTO N.Y HARBOUR.
    HE ISSUED THE BRILLIANT ORDER TO ABANDON STATEN ISLAND THEREBY SAVING 60 PCT. OF CONT. ARMY AND PERHAPS THE ENTIRE EFFORT TO DEFEAT THE CLAP RIDDEN KING OF ENGLAND.
    I ASK YOU NOW…CAN WE FIND A WASHINGTON AMONG US NOW ?
    AFTER ALL, OUT OF 305 MILLION PEOPLE THERE MUST BE ONE SELF-SACRAFICING PURE SOUL THAT PREFERS FREEDOM OVER ADHERENCE TO ONE POLITICAL PARTY’S IDEOLOGY AND SELF SERVING INTERESTS.
    PERHAPS I HAVE IT ALL WRONG..SURELY WOULDN’T BE FIRST OR LAST TIME :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  245. John, take your medications after eating.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  246. JOHN, you can’t even quote Cicero competently. Spare us the nutty conspiracy comments.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  247. Hi everybody.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  248. Since it’s impossible for a rich person to monopolize the wealth because there is no zero sum game, what if I am king and I say that all wealth created belongs to me? You are saying that is impossible? How so? I agree that there is not a zero sum game, but it’s possible to be so situated that all the invented wealth gets assigned to you.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  249. LOL FIRST TIME ON A AIMLESS BLOG..TALK IS CHEAP, WHAT DO THE SHEEPLE PROPOSE WE DO ABOUT OUR FEAR OF GOV’T INSTEAD, AS IT IS WRITTEN ,GOV’T/POLITICIANS FEARING NOT UPHOLDING THE PEOPLE’S INTERESTS ??
    MCSAME BUMPER STICKER- 10 BUX
    OBAMA BUMPER STICKER- 15 BUX
    KNOWING THE FACTS – PRICELESS :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  250. Anyone who uses the “MCSAME” formulation is just showing how completely ignorant they are of modern politics.

    Good job, JOHN.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  251. SHUT UP W/ THAT ” ZERO SUM FACTOR ” AND YOUR WEAK ATTEMT TO APPLY IT TO WEALTH..USE PLAINSPEAK IT USUALLY DRIVES THE POINT HOME..THEN MOVE ON TO YOUR NEXT COHERENT THOUGHT PLEEZ.
    HOW BOUT YOU ENVOKE THE 80/20 RULE ? MAYBE NEWTON’S LAWS OF PHYSICS/MOTION.
    IF OBAMA AND MCAIN STOOD ATOP LEANING TOWER OF PISA AND DROPPED A BALL THE SAME SIZE AND SHAPE..WHO’S BALL WOULD HIT THE GROUND FIRST?
    ANSWER : NIETHER ONE OF THESE ELIST FUCKS GIVES A SHIT ABOUT YOU, ME, THE FUTURE SECURITY OF OUR NATION OR THE CONSTITUTION- AM I SCRATCHING THE SURFACE ?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  252. John –
    Your getting ice cream in the next town over?
    It frightens me to think you have a drivers license.
    OBAMINATION dude.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  253. I’m watching the convention on CSPAN.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  254. John askes:
    Q: If Obama and McCain stood atop (the)leaning tower of Pisa and dropped a ball (at) the same time and shape…who’s ball would hit the ground first?

    A: Obama. Affirmative action dictates that all else being equal, the minority candidate must be selected first.

    Perfect Sense (9d1b08)

  255. YES FORGIVE ME I’M FOOLISHLY ABIDING BY THE CONSTITUTION AND FOUNDING FATHERS. IT’S MY PATHETIC ERROR OF NON-ADHERENCE TO A UNIVERSITY PROFS. VERSION OF ” MODERN POLITICS” ….WHOEVER THE FUCK DREAMED/ HATCHED THAT ” MODERN” TOTAL BULLSHIT PHRASE.
    FORGIVE MY USE OF PROFANITY TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT..IT’S COVERED UNDER FIRST AMENDMENT..WHAT’S LEFT OF IT. BEST TO EXERCISE IT NOW WHILE IT’S FAIRLY INTACT WHILE I’M ALIVE LEST I LAY IN THE BOX FOR ETERNITY WISHING I HAD SAID SOMETHING USEFULL?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  256. LOL….NOW THAT WAS QUICK AND HILARIOUS !!! GOOD JOB PERFECT SENSE… BY GOD SOMEONE IS THINKING RAPIDLY, THERE IS A GOD AND FAITH IS RENEWED ! BRAVO !!!

    JOHN (513ad9)

  257. Why is he using caps?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  258. I don’t know, but I don’t read the all-caps stuff, so at least it makes it easy to skip.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  259. HI LOVE 08 – WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND..SPEAK UP INDEED WE PRACTICE ALL FORMS OF FREE SPEECH HERE !!
    YES I’M GETTING ICE CREAM TREATS RIGHT NOW. WATCHING DISCOVERY..AT LEAST THE ANIMALS HAVE INUITION AND BEHAVE IN A RELATIVELY SENSIBLE MANNER UNLIKE THE 3 DAY ” ME” SHOW THIS AND NEXT WEEK- IT’S NARCESIST WEEK/FORTNIGHT UNTIL 3 SEPT. !!! NEW JERSEY ABSTAINS !!!
    CARRY ON LADIES N GENTS – I SHALL RETURN , NOT IN 2 YEARS LIKE MCARTHUR, POOR FILIPINOS THOUGHT HE MEANT LIKE 2 WEEKS, MAYBE A MONTH AT MOST ?
    KINDA LIKE IRAQI’S THAT HAD ELECTRICITY AND 10 FAMILY MEMBERS BEFORE THE INVASION OF A SOVERIEGN NATION THAT WAS NO THREAT TO OUT NAT. SECURITY WHATSOEVER, BUT HAVE ONLY 5 FAMILY MEMBERS NOW AND SIT IN THE DARK PRAYIN FOR THE WISE AND BENEVOLENT SADDAM TO RETURN- I’M SURE THE 5 DEAD ONES WOULDA REALLY HAVE ENJOYED DEMOCRACY AND THE 2 WEEK ME SHOW ?? ..THIS IS KINDA FUN.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  260. sorry..i don’t have my crayolas ..kept trying to use them on my laptop screen..quite MESSY ! my glasses are in the car so it’s easier to see in caps.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  261. BECAUSE IT IS A FARKIN IMBECILE LULZ IT REMINDS ME OF A VERBOSE MISS CLEO DAVID PETRANOS ESP MKSP ALL WRAPPED UP IN ONE OR A PUNCH DRUNK FIGHTER WITH EARLY ONSET DEMENTIA STUCK IN AN ENDLESS FEEDBACK LOOP ABOUT MUSKETBALLS VALLEY FORGE AND THE PRIDE OF THE USA CAMDEN AND NEWARK NJ IT SEEMS TO ATTRACT GENE VENABLE WHO MAY BE ITS MEEK SOCIALIST ALTER EGO PERSONALITY #7 OR IT IS JUST YOUR NORMAL EVERYDAY RUN-OF-THE-MILL BARKING LOONWAFFLE

    JD (5f0e11)

  262. because his glasses are in the car.. i must now adhere to someones demand of lower case..as if what i’m typing is any more or less profound in upper or lower case letters…or in crayons for that matter for all the slow kids in the class.
    am i in compliance with the herd now mam ???
    have i fallen properly in line ??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  263. #260
    Oh. That’s ok.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  264. Well, if you’re only reading your own comments, that makes sense. But what’s the use of being here if you can’t read the comments of other people?
    I’m glad you have relented.

    Gene Venable (86f20c)

  265. JD – I was thinking it might be MKDP’s hubby on new meds. I pretty much skipped everything, so I don’t know whether John mentioned snipers, frogmen, service horses, yacht hijackings, roast beast carvers impersonating oceangoing captains, porn firewalls, eavesdropping interns, the Americans with Disabilities Act, or other assorted Petrano looniness.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  266. Don’t forget the dislocated uteruses and self-immolating protest moms.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  267. YOU ARE STIFLING JOHN’S FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION YOU FASCISTS !!!

    VIVA LA ALL CAPS !!!!!!ELEVENTY!

    YYYYYEEEAAAAAGGGGHHH !!!

    JD (5f0e11)

  268. YOU ARE THE PROBLEM YOU INSOLENT AND INTOLERANT FOOL..GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE RIGHT NOW. WHEN I WANT YOUR 2 I.Q OPINION…I WILL TELL IT TO YOU…GO BACK TO MOTHER RUSSIA OR MAKE A COHERENT STATEMENT.
    WHEN I GET BACK I WANT SOLUTIONS UP HERE..PROPOSALS OF CHANGE.. GOD DAMN USEFULL FREELY THOUGHT OUT STATEMENTS NOT COMMENTARY ON MICHELLES SPEACH OR PARTY SPLITTING CARPET BAGGER HILARY ASSHOLES.. USE YOUR OWN BRAIN ..DO NOT REPEAT WHAT WOLF BLITZER SAYS AS IF IT WERE YOUR OWN THOUGHTS.
    VANILLA OR CHOCALATE- FUCK IT YOU IDIOTS WILL TAKE AN HOUR TO DECIDE WHICH IS BETTER…THEN THE SHOPPE WILL BE CLOSED…..AN ANALOGY FOR THE FUTURE OF OUR COUNTRY AND CURRENT MASS THINKING.
    I PREFER TO DECIDE ON THE WAY TO THE PRIZE…OR IT MAY BE GONE…CLOSED.
    READ BETWEEN THE LINES :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  269. JD – DON’T YOU JUDGE HIM. DON’T YOU DARE JUDGE HIM.

    GIVE ME YOUR BAR NUMBER RIGHT NOW!!!!!!

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  270. JOHN, really? I’ve seen no evidence that you have any clue what is actually in the Constitution.

    Especially with that “IT’S COVERED UNDER FIRST AMENDMENT..WHAT’S LEFT OF IT” crap. The First Amendment has never been interpreted as broadly as it is currently.

    Inevitably, the more someone whines about the lack of civil liberties these days, the less they know about the subject.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  271. daleyrocks – Thank you. I am rolling. I bookmarked those threads and read them when I am having a bad day. JOHN is good, damn good, but not in the same league as Petranos Esp grade krazy.

    Wagyu beef is incredible, by the way. It as a carnivore’s wet dream. Think Kobe beef on marbling steroids. I am in heaven. Plus, they just interviewed some PUMA and Olberdouche’s head almost split in half, no small feat.

    JD (5f0e11)

  272. I am not insolent or intolerant. Insouciant, perhaps.

    JD (5f0e11)

  273. MY NAME IS JOHN MY GLASSES DON’T WORK I HAVE TOURETTE’S I LIKE TO SCREAM AT PEOPLE ON STREET WHY THEY ALWAYS STARING AT ME?!!

    Dmac (874677)

  274. JOHN – Chocolate.

    Racist

    JD (5f0e11)

  275. #267
    LOL! FASCISTS !!! Can’t beat that. LOL.

    love2008 (1b037c)

  276. Can’t beat that. LOL.

    Bush-supporter…

    Oh, wait, I repeated you… :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  277. WOW ..LET’S SEE IF THERE’S ANYTHING REMOTELY SENSIBLE..HMMM.
    THANKS FOR RENDERING AID WHILE I FEND OFF THESE ATTENTION SEEKING IDEOLOGISTS MY FRIEND YOU GET IT NOW ! FREEDOM OF SPEECH…A NEAT CONCEPT YET SELDOM PRACTICED.
    I WOULD NEVER STIFLE ANYONES RIGHT TO SPEAK UP FOR FEAR A THOUGHT MAY COME OUT THAT COULD EFFECT CHANGE ..AND WE WOULD NEVER HEAR IT..TO OUR PERIL.
    “I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY BUT I’LL DEFEND TIL MY LAST BREATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT.”

    JOHN (513ad9)

  278. sry miss caps. i know that you prefer lower case because it makes any statement more or less profound or idiotic..i’ll adhere and fall in line to your demand until i feel like switching to caps. you pompous evil communist witch :)
    I’ll choose upper or lower case at my discretion..for now to appease you as i like to be as accomodating as possible :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  279. Next effort for you, JOHN, is trying to write something coherent.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  280. reading bottom to top..defiant huh ??
    UMMM, LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF FACsism- you have been living it for 8 years…come on now get w/ the program and the change you seek is pure socialism bordering on virtual communism..DO YOU LIKE SOUTH AFRICA ???

    JOHN (513ad9)

  281. JOHN, uh, that was a failure on the coherency front. Keep trying.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  282. ELEVENTY CAME FROM LORD OF THE RINGS I WAS WATCHING WHILE TYping lol…IT’S MORE BELIEVABLE THAN THE FACT THAT OUT OF 305 MILLION PEOPLE maybe 100,000 actually get it..the rest repeat what they hear on various propaganda outlets.
    like PRAVDA…ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PRAVDA IS ??

    JOHN (513ad9)

  283. PERHAPS YOU CAN MAKE CHANGE OF THIS NOW WORTHLESS DOLLAR W/ YOUR 50 CENT NON-IMPRESSIVE WORDS… VERBAL GYMNASTICS ARE EXACTLY WHAT THE COUNTRY NEEDS IN THIS DARK AND PERILOUS HOUR…NICE :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  284. ANYONE TELL ME WHAT PRAVDA IS ??

    Comment by JOHN — 8/26/2008 @ 6:26 pm

    Silly. A famous designer. Great handbags, which I can’t afford.

    BECAUSE OF THE FASCISM!!

    Seriously, which of the regulars is havin’ a little fun with us?

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  285. I PREFER GRANMA OVER PRAVDA, JOHN

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  286. WOW… IT’S ODD BECAUSE I BOUGHT A GOLD LEAF SET ON SOLID OAK OF 1. CONSTITUTION 2. BILL OF RIGHTS 3. AMENDMENTS …ONLY COST 1,000 BUX A RARE DEAL FOR RAPIDLY BECOMING EXTINCT DOCS. HUH ??
    THEY ARE PROUDLY DISPLAYED ON MY WALL…WERE AN A LAWYERS WALL BUT HE WAS BEING FORECLOSED ON..GUESS THEY DON’T TECH YA EVERYTHING AT HARVARD ?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  287. HAVE TO USE caps for now forgot glasses and can’t see shit..am i free to use profanity while typing ? or is there a no caps and no profanity law now ? kindly inform me of new rules so i can boldly defy them as rapidly as possible..ty
    CHOCALATE..COOL- IF THAT’S YOUR THING GOD BLESS YA..CHOCLATE IT IS :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  288. PARVDA IT IS A HANDBAG ? ARE YOU SURE ?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  289. WOW AWESOME !!! HOW DID YA GET THAT TO POP UP ???! IS IT CURRENT ? ONLY STAYS UP FRATION OF A SEC.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  290. Obviously, JOHN, you don’t follow popular culture.

    Not a surprise, given that the fascists obviously keep you trapped in mom’s basement.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  291. PARVDA IT IS A HANDBAG ? ARE YOU SURE ?

    Comment by JOHN — 8/26/2008 @ 6:37 pm

    Well, am glad you can read lower case comments now. :)

    I think everyone on this thread knows what Pravda really is, and what Ben Franklin said, and all the stuff you’re assuming no one knows. But I suspect you’re not serious. 😉 Sockpuppeting looks fun; I may try it sometime.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  292. BACKROUND- U WANT TO DO THIS FOR ME NO ONE LOL???
    JOHN DOES NOT ADVOCATE REDNECKS ON CRACK OR REDNECKS ON PRETZELS ON RANCH IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE. HE NIETHER ADVOCATES OBAMA OR MCSAME…HE IS A FREE AND INDEPENDANT THINKER BORN IN THE TERRIBLE WAR TORN YEAR OF OUR LORD..1967..WHICH MAKES HIM 41.
    HE OWNED 2 RENTAL PROPERTIES WHICH HE BOUGHT IN 1991 AT AGE 23 UTILIZING THE V.A PROGRAM THAT A WISE PRESIDENT SIGNED INTO LEGISLATION IN ORDER TO GIVE ACTIVE DUTY SOLDIERS, SAILORS AND AIRMEN SOME BENEFITS AFTER COMPLETING HONORABLE MILITARY SERVICE TO THIER BELOVED COUNTRY FOR WHICH THEY ARE PAID , WITHOUT COMPLAINT, NEAR MINIMUM WAGE.
    HE BELIEVED IN THE AMERICAN DREAM OF RENTING THESE UNITS AND MAKING A PROFIT..WHICH WORKED AS ADVERTISED IN THE AMERICAN DREAM BROCHURE..FOR 17 YEARS HE WAS FAIR AND BENEVOLENT WITH ALL TENENANTS AND EVEN DISPLAYING UNDERSTANDING WHEN A TENANT FELL UPON LAYOFF, DIVORCE OR OTHER UNFORESEEN PROBLEM.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  293. What has become of this blog!? I leave you guys alone for a few days and come back and meet this? Where is everybody?

    love2008 (1b037c)

  294. Comment by love2008 — 8/26/2008 @ 6:52 pm

    We’re here; hello. Trying to figure out whether or not we have additional commenters today. I vote one or two more.

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  295. HE WAS GIVEN 2 6,000 COMMISION DOLLAR CHECKS FROM HIS BOSS AT CENTURY 21 REAL ESTATE BECAUSE HE OBTAINED HIS R.E LICESNE PRIOR TO PURCHASING HIS 2 PROPERTIES AND WROTE HIS OWN CONTRACTS AND REPRESENTED HIMSELF AS BUYER AGENT ON BOTH..NO CONFLICT OF INTEREST AT THE TIME .
    HE WORKED TIL 9 AT NIGHT AT C-21 FOR 6 YEARS P/T AS HE DECIDED THAT HIS FAMILY TRADITION, FATHER, GRANDFATHER AS IRONWORKERS ( UNIONIZED ) WAS A GREAT WAGE FOE A JOB WHERE 1 WRONG STEP AND YOU GET TO MEET ALL OF THE DEAD PRESIDENTS AND ASK HOW DID YOU FEEL ON D-DAY IKE ? HOW COLD WAS IT IN PRINCETON G.W IN 1776 .. ETC.
    THEN..GET YOUR KLEENEX OUT BLEEDING HEARTS..NEXT PART IS REALLY SAD

    JOHN (513ad9)

  296. I’M FILLING IN FOR YA :) IT’S COOL AS I SHALL ABDIGATE POWER BACK TO YOU FREELY AND WILLINGLY :)

    JOHN (513ad9)

  297. FINISHING UP MY STREET CRED. AS SOMEone ASSumed i live in mommies basement lol.
    get ready this part sux..kleenex alert.
    btw i’m watching d-day communist news network re-runs everything later tonight…i’m awake and you’ll understand why next paragraph

    JOHN (513ad9)

  298. how did..omg..can’t believe i’m saying hildog..do?

    super dels. should have thrown her the nom. i swear.. to prevent a sure loss when a dixie cup coulda beat mcsame by 15 points easily..democrats are new york mets of politics…7 game lead for pennant w/ 8 games left..lost all 8 ..worst collapse in sports history..last year lol….2ND PLACE IS FIRST LOSER JOHN WAS TAUGHT AT NASPECWAR SCOOL AT LITTLE CREEK M.A.B NEAR THE VITAL PORT OF NORFOLK AND DIRTY DEEDS DEPT. AT LANGLEY A.F.B

    JOHN (513ad9)

  299. I’ve been asked to show where in the Constitution it says that the government’s job is to stop a few people from amassing all the cash.

    The American system is based on compromise. There are many unwritten rules that, if violated, could cause the whole system to come tumbling down. One such rule is that people need to perceive that they have a fighting chance to prosper in this system. If all the wealth were owned by a few families and they had the right to pass all of it on to their children, and the rest of us had no chance to get any of it, chaos and revolution would result.

    Okay, so you can’t find anything in the Constitution that authorizes the government to seize property legally earned from people because they have “too much” of it.

    The American system is based on capitalism, even if it’s not pure capitalism. The notion that other people have the right to take what’s yours simply because you worked harder than they did flies in the face of what Americans consider fair play. But you won’t phrase it that way, will you?

    Putz.

    Steverino (1dda08)

  300. #294
    Hi NOIK, was beginning to wonder whether I was on the right blog. What with all these rhetorical and freakish comments. Not to mention the caps. Glad to see you, though. :)
    A little breathe of sanity, you bring. 😉

    love2008 (1b037c)

  301. O.K TO SUM UP ..ON A CRISP AND CRYSTAL CLEAR SEPT. MORNING WITHOUT A CLOUD IN THE SKY 19 ARAB EXTREMISTS TOOK OUT 2 BUILDINGS THAT JOHN SAW NEARLY EVERY MORNING AT SUNRISE ON HIS WAY TO WORK FOR 17 YEARS..I WAS ON A BEAM WELDING AT MERK AND CO. PHARMA PLANT..A FINE UNION HIRING COMPANY THAT APPRECIATES THE FACT WE GO TO APPRENTICE SCHOOL FOR 4 YEARS TO MASTER OUR CRAFT AND ARE WORTH EVERY CENT WE ARE PAID.
    SOOO..JOHN AT AGE 33, NEWLY MARRIED TO HIS 24 YEAR OLD BRIDE HAULED ASS TO NEARBY TRAIN DEPOT AND BOARDED FIRST TRAIN TO GR. ZERO .
    DESPITE WARNINGS FROM UNION BOSS THAT IT’S UNSAFE AND AIR IS FILLED W/ TOXIC MATERIAL…NO BOTHER THERE ARE PEOPLE THERE..MY PEOPLE/NEIGHBORS..IT’S MY SPECIALTY- HEAVY LIFT- LOTTA PHYSICS/GEOMETRY..GET TO USE BRAINS FOR A CHANGE INSTAED OF BRAWN AND THERE ARE PEOPLE ALIVE I KNOW IT..HAVE SEEN PEOPLE IN EARTHQUAKES COME OUT DAYS LATER…….THIS ISN’T EASY…

    JOHN (513ad9)

  302. POST SOMETHING WISE AND PROFOUND THAT CAN GET US OUT OF 10.5 TRILLION IN DEBT FOR STARTERS AND AID IN REAGAINING SOME CIVIL LIBERTIES LOST DUE TO PAT. ACT FEAR MONGERING- 19 ARABS HIJAKED 305 MILLION PEOPLES RIGHTS HUN.. FEEL FREE WE LOVE FREE SPEECH HERE..FIRE AWAY

    JOHN (513ad9)

  303. Grow up, JOHN, no one lost any civil liberties. There was nothing in the PATRIOT Act that had not already been part of the law before in terms of tools for law enforcement.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  304. O.K CAN FINISH..SO JOHN HAULED ASS TO GR. ZERO AND WAS ESCORTED BY N.Y NAT GUARD TO BASEMENT OF JAVITS CENT..WEST SIDE MANHATTAN WHERE HIS UNION CARD AND MILITARY I.D WERE VERIFIED ( ONLY TRAINED UNION IRONWORKERS ALLOWED)AND WAS ISSUED A NUMBER AND MAGIC MARKER THEN INSTRUCTED TO WRITE THIS NUMBER ON OUR CLOTHING- ARMS , LEGS, NECK , BOOTS AND A NAT. GUARDSMAN WROTE IT ON OUR BACKS..THIS WAS TO IDENTIFY US DUE TO BUILDINGS AND OTHER PIECES FALLING ON US..THERES MORE AND IT WAS BEAUTIFUL TO SEE AMERICANS..WHITE , BLACK, HINDU, ORIENTAL EVERY RACE AND CREED BRINGING US FOOD WATER AS WE PUT ON OUR 60LB. TOOLBELTS AND OTHER GEAR…SIMPLY AMAZING AS IT WAS THE GREATEST AND PROUDEST MOMENT OF MY LIFE- MY COUNTRYMEN AND WOMEN WERE THERE IN DROVES TO DO ANYTHING TO HELP- STUNNINGLY BEAUTIFUL, UNITY, STRENGTH EVERY ADJECTIVE AND ACCOLADE POSSIBLE APPLIES.
    IT WAS THE WORST OF TIMES , IT WAS THE BEST OF AMERICA..WE WENT IN AND IT WAS NOT GOOD AS YOU CAN IMAGINE…AND THEN X THAT BY 1000 AND YOU STILL WOULDN’T BE CLOSE.
    WHO’S THIS GUY STATING THE OBVIOUS ? FINALLY THE 7 HOUSE THING- HAMMER AWAY AT THAT 7 HOUSE THING 24/7 NON-STOP TIL NOV.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  305. SPQR I’M A DECENDANT OF ALEXANDER- MY LAST NAME- 1/2 ITALIAN AND 1/2 BRITISH.
    YOU SHOULD KNOW ( SPQR IS ROMAN FOR ” SOLDIER OF THE REPUBLIC OF ROME” PEOPLE) YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER ABOUT CEASARS AND HOW LITTLE BY LITTLE THE ERRODED ROMAN RIGHTS-
    UNTIL THE HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE( CHURCH ) TOOK OVER AND ALL RIGHTS WERE LOST AS THE CHURCH PROCEEDED TO DRIVE THE GREATEST FREE EMPIRE INTO EXTINCTION. REFER TO CONSTITUTION SPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE A LESSON LEARNED FROM ROMAN EMPIRE COLLAPSE- WE HAVE HAD THE OPPOSITE FOR MANY YEARS NOW- WHOLE REPUB. PARTY IS OWNED BY CHURCH W/ .
    HISTORY REAPEATS ITSELF..WE LOST RIGHTS FOR SURE MY GOOD MAN. WE ARE ON THE BEST POPULATION CONTROLL DEVICE EVER INVENTED RIGHT NOW.
    SPQR IS PATHETIC AND A HORRIBLE MONIKER FOR A REPUB. YOUR PARTY IS OWNED BY THE VERY FOLKS THAT ENDED A 1000 YEAR FREE EMPIRE-

    JOHN (513ad9)

  306. JOHN, you are as ignorant of Roman history as you are of the PATRIOT Act. SPQR means Senatus Populesque Romanus which translates to “The Senate and People of Rome”.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  307. MY FORMER PARTY IS OWNED BY EVERY OTHER SPEC. INTEREST GROUP- I’M A MAN W/O A PARTY SEEKING A NEW ONE LIKE THE FIRST POLITCAL PARTY IN AMERICA NAMED – THE SONS OF LIBERTY- GET A BOOK.
    HILARY WANTS NOTHING MORE THAN A PURE LOSS WHICH WILL NEGATE OBAMA IN 2012 THEREBY NEARLY HANDING HER THE NOMINATION…NO SHIT SHE WANTS A LOSS AND SO DOES BILL..BET YOUR BOTTOM DOLLAR.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  308. I KNOW THAT SP IT WAS ALSO TATTOOED ONTO EVER SOLDIERS LEFT ARM IN EVERY LEGION- PRETORIAN GUARD AND AND FELIX LEGIONS HAD A DIFFERENT TATTOO…WHAT WAS IT ?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  309. If you knew that, you would not have written the wrong explanation of the acronym. You didn’t know it. You made it up.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  310. THANK GOD FOR BIDEN..AND IF HE OPENS HIS PIEHOLE AND SAYS 1 WRONG THING IT’S TRULY OVER..HE’S PROBABLY NOT ENOUGH.
    CMON A LEFT WING SOCIALIST IS GOING TO WIN FLORIDA ( JEWISH VOTE REMEMBER ” WE MUST NEGOTIATE W/ IRAN? FLORIDA LOST RIGHT THERE)
    ED RENDELL IN PA HATES OBAMAS GUTS FOR THE HIL DEFEAT SO PA IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN- NOT READY FOR AFRICAN AMERICAN PRES. EVER BEEN THERE ASIDE FROM PHILLY ? LOL
    FORGET TEXAS AND MY STATE N.J- NOW HOW DO YOU WIN WITHOUGHT THOSE KEYS STATES ..PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME..PLEASE DO..CMON GET REAL THIS COUNTRY IS NOT READY FOR A ULTRA LEFT AFRO AMERICAN PRESIDENT.NFW..NFW.
    BLACK MIDDLE ROADER PERHAPS BUT IN WARTIME ON 2 FRONTS NOW WAY IS A BLACK JIMMY CARTER GETTIN NEAR 1600…SORRY TO NEGATE ALL THIS DOG N PONY SHOW..NOMINATING A SOCIALIST AF. AMERICAN JUNIOR SENATOR WILL NEVER HAPPEN- I WANTED IT TO BUT HE SHOULD HAVE 12-15 POINT LEAD. REASON HE DOESN’T IS BECAUSE MIDWEST AND SOUTH ARE NOT READY FOR AN AFRICAN AMERICAN WITH A PIOUS ATTIUDE. SORRY

    JOHN (513ad9)

  311. TYPICAL NITPICKING DEM. THATS WHY YOU LOSE- YOU DON’T KNOW..I KNOW EVERYTHING DEMOCRAT..TYPICAL.
    I’M 41 YEARS OLD SUNSHINE OUT OF SCHOOL 20 YEARS DO YOU REMEMBER EVERY GRECO ROMAN TRASLATION VERBATIM ?? OR BETTER YET AFTER 2 WARS, A BROKEN BACK, 20 YEARS AS AN IRONWORKER BUILDING THIS COUNTRIES BUILDINGS, BRIDGES ,REFINERIES AND 3 DAYS AT GR. ZERO YOU WOULDN’T REMEMBER MUCH OF ANYTHING EXCEPT WHAT YOU SAW THOSE DAYS LET ALONE. I LIVED THESE TIMES SINCE L.BJ – DIDN’T READ ABOUT THEM LIVED EM.
    EXPERIENCE IS BEST TEACHER MY MAN.
    WE PUSH PAPER AND HOT AIR..RIGHT HERE IS THE LARGEST RESERVE OF CARPET BAGGING HOT AIR IN THE KNOWN UNIVERSE…A 15 POINT LEAD WILL BE A 4-7 % LEAD FOR MCSAME..DEMS. CAN FUCK UP A WET DREAM..IT’S THIER FORTE-
    MY UNION CAN NOT TAKE 4 MORE YEARS OF MCSAME- I’M FUKED WORSE THAN ANY OF YOU IF BLACK MESSIAH LOSES…THANKS ..UNION MEMBERS HAVE WAITED FOR A DEMOCRAT FOR YEARS..WE GOT WILLIAM JEFFERSON CLINTON– ARCHITECT OF N.A.F.T.A THAT WAS A DEATH BLOW TO AMERICAN WOKERS UNION OR NOT.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  312. WOW SHE GAVE A SHOUT OUT TO UNIONS..LIKE BILL..LET’S SEE WHAT HER FLIP FLOP POSITION ON C.A.F.T.A IS ?

    JOHN (513ad9)

  313. RIVETING..I’M ALL WEAPY. TOO LATE THE FRACTURE IN THE PARTY REMAINS- SHE WOULD HAVE THE 12 POINT MIN. LEAD RIGHT NOW AND ALL THE WAY TIL NOVEMBER- NOT READY FOR LEFT WING SOCIALIST AF. AMERICAN- 41 YEARS EXPERIENCE DICTATES OBAMA GOES OUT LIKE MONDALE- LEFT WING CARTER DURING WAR ON 2 FRONTS GIMME A BREAK FOLKS- DEMS. ARE DREAMERS GOTTA GIVE EM THAT- PROBLEM IS THAT MEANS YOUR ASLEEP IF YOUR DREAMING RIGHT ? WAKE UP !!!

    JOHN (513ad9)

  314. Good Allah. Verbal diarrhea.

    JD (5f0e11)

  315. SHE IS MODERATE AND POPULAR OBAMA IS SO FAR LEFT IT’S NOT FUNNY.
    MASS PSYCOLOGY STATES ” THE EVIL YOU KNOW IS BETTER THAN THE EVIL YOU DON’T KNOW “.
    TRUST ME I’VE SEEN THIS BEFORE- DUKAKIS

    JOHN (513ad9)

  316. You know, my oldest son does a schtick sometimes with his friends. The kids at college ask them to sing a song in another language – pick any language – and they do it. Hebrew – Italian – Greek. Of course, they don’t speak any of those languages, but their tongues are double-jointed enough to make it sound like they do. Sort of Hebrew sounding gibberish. I think they could imitate glossalalia if they wanted.

    THAT is what JOHN is like. Somehow he’s got the kind of brain that can just spew all kinds of stuff that almost sounds like speech. It has disconnected bits of reason in it, though if you try to parse any of it you don’t get anywhere.

    It was entertaining for awhile. Too bad we’ve got a thread with over 300 comments and most of it is this sockpuppet.

    Don (9ca635)

  317. RENDELL IS THERE RIGHT NOW FURIOUS- HE KNOWS THAT A LOSS FOR OBAMA IS A UNAPOSSED WIN IN 2012.
    TEXAS, FLORIDA AND PA. GO RED- HOW DOES SOMEONE WIN WHEN OPPENENT TAKES THOSE 3 AND THE ENTIRE SOUTH AND MIDWEST ?? CMON NOW.
    SHE WAS A SHUE -IN FOR PRESIDENT AND THEY FUCKED UP ROYALLY. SHE SPOKE W/ HER TEETH CLENCHED- A JUNIOR SENATOR BEAT HER AND SNATCHED THE WHITE HOUSE FROM HER AND THE PARTY.
    PLEEZ DO BETTER IN 2012 ..WE’LL SEE IF SHE CAN BEAT COLIN POWELL IN 2012

    JOHN (513ad9)

  318. Please!! Make him stop!!!

    love2008 (1b037c)

  319. A CATHOLIC AND AN AFRICAN AMERICAN ON 1 TICKET W/O A SOUTHERNER…CMON PEOPLE I WANT IT TO HAPPEN BUT THAT WAS WEAK AND NOT ENOUGH TO OVERCOME THE OUTLINED NEGATIVES ABOVE –
    CATHOLIC V.P- AF. AMER. PRES. – NO SOUTHERNER…..THAT BLACK WOMAN SUPER DEL. ON CNN JUST SAID CRYING SHE WILL CAST HER VOTE FOR HILARY !!!!!!!!!!!!! HOLY SHIT..HE NEEDS TO BACK OFF AND LET HER WIN— OR DEMS LOSE IN LANSLIDE MONDALE STYLE– FRACTURE REMAINS ..HOLY SHIT I CAN’T BELIEVE WHAT I’M SEEING

    JOHN (513ad9)

  320. PUT ON CNN YOU WILL SHIT YOUR SOCIALIST PANTS…. THAT IS MCSAMES WET DREAM COME TRUE..HOLY SHIT..SHE’S THE NEW STAR OF EVERY MCSAME ADVERT OMG

    JOHN (513ad9)

  321. LET’S HEAR THE PEANUT GALLERIES RESPONSE…THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING..HOLY SHIT THAT’S BAD

    JOHN (513ad9)

  322. HEY SPQR .. WHAT DOES S.O.L AND J.W.F STAND FOR ???

    JOHN (513ad9)

  323. I’LL TELL YA.. SHIT OUT OF LUCK AND JOLLY WELL FUCKED…YES IT DOES AND I DIDN’T NEED TO GOOGLE OR WIKIPEDIA THAT ANSWER MY FELLOW AMERICAN

    JOHN (513ad9)

  324. Wow! When ‘love’ thinks it’s bad . . . it’s really bad.

    Icy Truth (1d6b22)

  325. HELLO , HELLO IS THERE ANYBODY OUT THERE….JUST NOD IF YOU CAN HEAR ME…IS THERE ANYONE AT ALL…CMON IT’S TIME TO GO … THERE IS NO PAIN YOU ARE RECEDING THE CRYSTAL SHIP SMOKES ON THE HORIZON..I TURNED TO LOOK BUT IT WAS GONE I CAN NOT PUT MY FINGER ON IT NOW THE DREAM IS GONE…..I I I HAVE BECOME….COMFORTABLY NUMB.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  326. ANYONE WHO’S A STUDENT OF POLITICS KNOWS THAT WAS EPIC, UNSURMOUNTABLE BAD OMG- THE DEATH NAIL.
    SHIT.
    STATED 2 HOURS AGO PARTY IS SERIOUSLY FRACTURED.
    WE CAN ALL TAKE COMFORT IN THE FACT, FOR MULTIPLE REASONS LISTED ABOVE HE DIDN’T HAVE MUCH OF A CHANCE ANYWAY…HOLY SHIT OMG

    JOHN (513ad9)

  327. HIS ELITIST POMPOUS ATTITUDE JUST KNOCKED HIM OUT- HE SENT THAT V.P TEXT OUT EXACTLY AT 3:00 A.M- TO THROW HER 3.00 A.M LACK OF EXPERIENCE COMMERCIAL INTO HER FACE AS IF HE COULD WIN WITHOUT HER..PRIDE COMES BEFORE THE FALL……..SHE JUST THREW THAT INSULT BACK AT HIM- NO WORSE ENEMY THAN A WOMAN SCORNED.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  328. DRY YOUR EYES PEOPLE..LET’S GO TOMORROW IS ANOTHER DAY..HEY MCSAME CAN ALWAYS KEEL OVER AND HE’LL WIN ?? IT’S A LONGSHOT BUT WITHIN THE REALM OF POSSIBILTY ???

    JOHN (513ad9)

  329. Yeah. I remember when I downed my first bottle of Trucker’s No-Doze.

    Icy Truth (1d6b22)

  330. John is yet another DU user who thinks this is what activism is all about. Stiffling free speech with spam. Without a doubt, a die-hard Obama supporter. Well, no worries John, Obama also hates free speech, and even wants people prosecuted for telling the truth about him. He’ll threaten to revoke broadcasting licenses for running the wrong commercials.

    Keep it up John. You’re wasting your like being a punchline. When I work for a cause, I actually do something effective. That’s the difference between Mccain and Obama, and you’ll understand that a lot better on November 5th.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  331. I SAID I AND MY UNION MEMBERS HAVE THE MOST LOSE OUT OF ALL OF YOU…………………….YOU LITTLE PLEBIAN TRUST FUND PUSSIES YOUR ALL IN COLLEGE INDOCTRINATED BY LIBERAL PROFS.FOR NOW.
    THE SECOND YOU ENTER WORKFORCE YOUR AN INSTANT WHITE COLLAR REPUBLICAN AND WILL TURN YOUR BACKS ON US…NEXT TIME DO NOT PICK AN INEXPERIENCED NEGRO WITH A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER TO REPRESENT US PLEASE ????????

    JOHN (513ad9)

  332. SCROLL UP AND READ MY WRITINGS ON FREE SPEACH DREAMER….YOUR ASSUMPTION IS 100 PCT. INCORRECT.
    I STATED BEFORE THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF YOUR ASSumption dreamer…hilary gave a half assed intentional spech for the 3.00 a.m v.p text that woke her up telling her she was not his v.p- his arrogance..her vengence.
    i stated at 7.00 p.m – ” i may not agree with what you say always but i have already and will always defend your right to say it til my last breath”.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  333. that went so well that 10 min. after hilary the hall was empty and cnn was talking about a hurricane in haiti to fill time before larry king.
    this is the worst convention in any race by any party in my 41 years- 0 enthusiasm- 0 substance- 0 attacks omg

    JOHN (513ad9)

  334. John, you can claim all day that you mean the BS you are saying here, much of it ridiculously incoherent and racist.

    The best possible scenario is that you are a Moby (a leftist pretending to be his idea of a conservative, but coming across horribly because that leftist is a sad bigot). If you really are this racist, that’s a bit worse (only a bit).

    No one buys it. Your all caps, repetitiveness, and general inanity demonstrate that you aren’t even trying to convince anyone that you are serious. That’s why this is really just a spam effort. Sadly enough, some moron out there is actually spamming manually. You are wasting your time doing this… that’s all you can do because you are simply too weak to hit the streets and effect the change you want.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  335. juan forgive my candor..i have forgotten more about politics than you will ever know. daddy yankee endorsed mcain yesterday and will campaign in the latino community..i assume juan is latino.. educate yourself for this much is true now 100 pct. no mas hilary y no mas obam por el presidente de la estadios unidos mi amigo..comprende ?? that was worst convention regardless of what he does or says tommorrow.. he is finito..no mas legitimo candititente.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  336. not racist you pol. correct communist indoctrinated left winger- he is too far left… he is afro american- he is arrogant and elitist…he is shallow and lacking substance…he just lost what should have been a lanslide win with hilary…this is political history my friend… i wanted to believe juan but knowing this game as well as i do it was over last night …told ya i’m a democratic 3rd generation union ironworker and have seen the dukakis’, the kerry’s. the carters/maondales all fall down for lack of substance and message.priod.
    my girlfriend is african american sitting here crying and you dare assume and insult me claiming racist…this is why the party has and always been fractured..loaded with millions of geniuses and not one that can deliver a solid message.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  337. Hey, assume I’m latino all day. I certainly love Mexican food. I take no offense.

    And perhaps you think you’ve forgotten a lot about politics. One thing that’s clear is that you don’t know anything about it currently, whether it was ever learned is not an interesting topic.

    Obama is a terrorist sympathizer, and is dumb enough to make an issue of this, so yeah, he’s probably going to lose. Hillary proved tonight that she’s probably going to be a fucking nightmare for the GOP in 4 years.

    You love Obama enough to sockpuppet this desperately. You are seething with hatred of this blog. You want to make it less fun and interesting. Probably you weren’t part of the massive DDOS spam attack last week… there are a lot of liberal fascists.

    One thing that’s clear is that you are not a Republican, and that your kind is a major motivator for Mccain supporters. Thanks to your kind, Mccain isn’t a weak candidate with his base even though he really ought to be. we are just that afraid of the fascism we are voting against come November.

    Juan (4cdfb7)

  338. i’m 41 juan..i’m not here to re-inforce you or educate you i’m here to make sure as a 3rd generation union member that you don’t do what just happened again as i have witnessed so many times…you fucked up with obama for 20 different reasons he’s un-electable and all you fucking know it all geniuses should have known that my friend…thanks for being dreamers instead of realists.
    I’M ALL TO FAMILIAR WITH THIS DEMOCRAT TRAIN WRECK I WAS FRANKLY WAITING FOR IT..THOUGHT IT WOULD COME FROM BIDEN.
    HE SHOULDN’T HAVE SENT THE V.P TEXT OUT AT 3 A.M – THAT EXELIFIED HIS ARROGANCE AND A WOMAN SCORNED IS NOTHING TO FUCK WITH MY FRIEND.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  339. John,

    Would you please avoid the CAPSLOCK? It’s hard to read and that makes it hard to sustain a discussion.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  340. you fucked up with obama for 20 different reasons he’s un-electable and all you fucking know it all geniuses should have known that

    — We do. Around here we call that “Mission Accomplished”.

    Icy Truth (1d6b22)

  341. NOT AT ALL MY MAN…I WAS AT GROUND ZERO WITHIN FIRST 12 HOURS AND STAYED TIL DEHYDRATED 3 DAYS LATER IN AN AMBULANCE LOOKING FOR WHITES , BLACKS, LATINOS, HINDUS , REPUBS, DEMOCRATS , INDEPENDANTS…AND AS OF TODAYS BLOODWORK I WILL 100 PCT. NOT SEE THE 2012 ELECTION.. I WAS HOPING FOR CHANGE. DADDY YANKEE IS SUPPORTIN MCAIN..HE’S SENDING BACK IMMIGRANTS THAT NEARLY DIED GETTING HERE BACK HOME MINUTE HE GETS IN AS A HUGE PART OF SAVING HEALTH CARE AND LABOR MARKET.
    ARE YOU INSANE?? I WOULD NOT SEND 1 IMMIGRANT HOME BY FORCE AS HE WILL BY FEB. MY MOTHER IS A FUCKING IMMIGRANT FROM LONDON..CAME WITH NO PAPERS AND LITTLE MONEY.
    MCSAME IS GOIN TO BE KIKIN DOWN DOORS 100 PCT. FOR SURE DEPORTING HUNDREDS A DAY…IT’S PART OF HIS ECONOMIC RELIEF PACKAGE MY FRIEND…DO YOUR HOMEWORK.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  342. We could just ignore John, you know.

    nk (3c7a86)

  343. AS STATED BEFORE- TYPICAL DEMOCRAT RETARDATION…WORRYING ABOUT GRAMMAR AND SPEEEEELING FLEXING YOUR ACUMEN AND SUPPOSED INTILLECT WHILE FUCKING ROME JUST BURNED AGAIN- IF YOU WANT 4 MORE YEARS OF THIS SCUMBAGGING OF EVERYTHING TRUE AMERICANS HOLD DEAR YOU HAVE BEEN MIND FUCKED BY SOMEONE..BRAINWASHED…MOST REPUBLICANS WOULDA VOTED FOR CLINTON YOU MIS-INFORMED ASS. 4 MORE YEARS OF THIS IS BAD REGARDLESS OF RACE ,COLOR, PARTY OR CREED.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  344. IGNORANCE OF FACT IS WHY WE ALL WILL SUFFER THE NEXT 4 YEARS AND CORPORATIONS WILL HAVE US ON A LITERAL LEASH..FUCK YOU MIS- INFORMED KNOW NOTHING IDIOT HOT AIR BAG.
    A BLIND MAN IN DETROIT SAW THIS FRACTURE COMING- TOO FAR LEFT ETC. ETC. ETC. PERIOD.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  345. Last warning, John. Please don’t use the CAPSLOCK or I will put your comments in moderation.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  346. MY MOTHER IS A FUCKING IMMIGRANT FROM LONDON.

    — For this tidbit alone the prodigious, profligate pronouncements were all worth it.

    Icy Truth (1d6b22)

  347. THE NORTH WON THE CIVIL WAR BECAUSE 100,000 FREE AND ESCAPED SLAVES JOINED THE UNION ARMY AFTER ESCAPING THE DIRTY SOUTH LYNCHINGS AND FOUGHT HARD, DIED ALONG SIDE OF WHITES..SUFFERED TORMENT AND IGNORANCE FOR DECADES AND THIS ARROGANT PRICK IS THE BEST WE CAN DO TO KEEP M.L.K’S DREAM ALIVE ????????????

    JOHN (513ad9)

  348. I TEND TO SKIP 50 CENT WORDS PABLO AS I HAVE A 165 I.Q AND MORE MONEY AND GOLD THAN YOU’LL EVER SEE IN YOUR LIFE…NO CHILDREN TO INHERIT THIS CLUSTER FUCK AND WRECKED CORPORATE OWNED COUNTRY.
    EXCUSE ME IF I SKIP GRAMMAR, PUNCTUATION AND PLEASANTRIES SCUMBAG- YOU FIX THE FUKIN COUNTRY EINSTIEN – YOUR A WISE FUCK HEAD STRAIGHT OUTTA 16TH WORLD RANKED U.S SCHOOL SYSTEM … BECAUSE REPUBLICANS LIKE BEANERS TO CUT THIER LAWNS BUT THIER WORST NIGHTMARE IS A POPPY CHULO W/ AN EDUCACION….OH YEAH IT’S TRU MI AMIGO..SI SI

    JOHN (513ad9)

  349. DRJ,

    Please ban this idiot, capslock or no capslock.

    Patterico (bee44a)

  350. Goodbye, John.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  351. Sweet ass of Moses, thank you…

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  352. Dammit! He was just startin’ ta grow on me. :(

    Icy Truth (1d6b22)

  353. Patterico will be glad to give him your email address, Icy.

    DRJ (7568a2)

  354. He was just startin’ ta grow on me.

    That’s not JOHN, that’s a fungal infection… See a doctor. :)

    Scott Jacobs (d3a6ec)

  355. Ok, who had the over/under? I admit, he lasted FAR (brief all-caps for emphasis only… all right, maybe a bit of satire too 😉 ) longer than I expected.

    Had to be a troll, no regular would have continued sock-puppeting after being warned. Buh bye John… you won’t be missed, but I’m sure you’ll be referenced for months. If not years.

    Stashiu3 (460dc1)

  356. no it’s just dying John from time well spent lookin for all races, creeds, political party members…a constitutional purist and loyal american. son of a British immigrant and 3rd generation Ironwoker ( union).
    frankly i was waiting for the all to familiar train wreck so i must admit i’m guilty of one thing only…believing the democrats could get thier self-centered act together before i die.
    perhaps another place and time.
    nice to know my bi-partison at times comments will be remebered lol for what that’s worth.
    The game will be played again in 4 years..do me 1 favor please..get it right for the preservation of our country by maintaining the all important system of checks and balance, read more of the founders writings and prepare for 2012 as if you were mike phelps looking to sweep 80 outta 100 percent of the vote.
    Thanks for induldging my taunts and truths, good night and GOD BLESS AMERICA..STILL THE BEST PLACE IN THE WORLD !!!
    P.S PLEASE SUPPORT OUR TROOPS AS LONG AS THEY ARE DEPLOYED THEY DESERVE OUR RESPECT REGARDLESS OF POLITICS THEY WILL NEED HELP NOT HINDRENCE..CARE FOR THEM AS THEY CARE FOR OUR FLAG..RIGHT OR WRONG..GOOD NIGHT FRIENDS.

    JOHN (513ad9)

  357. Good Lord, that was excruciating!
    Does anyone really have any idea what John’s point was? Did he just go off his meds and stumble into this site? I don’t think I have seen so much disjointed ranting since….the Dems trying to explain The Messiah’s positions and platform in a way that doesn’t ensure a complete thrashing in the voting booth.

    Just painful to see.

    Jay Curtis (8f6541)


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