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10/31/2023

The pressure is on president biden

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:35 pm



[guest post by Dana]

A warning to the President from the National Muslim Democratic Council, wherein they demand President Biden commit to a ceasefire now:

The National Muslim Democratic Council (NMDC), Democratic Party activists, and voters from across the nation and pivotal battleground states write to express our deep concern regarding the ongoing massacre in Gaza. The massacre of over eight thousand Palestinians and the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza are unacceptable. We call on the White House to urgently advocate for an immediate ceasefire. Your administration’s unconditional support, encompassing funding and armaments, has played a significant role in perpetuating the violence that is causing civilian casualties and has eroded trust in voters who previously put their faith in you.

The situation in Gaza has reached a critical juncture, nearing a complete humanitarian catastrophe, and we implore you to take immediate action to secure a ceasefire by Tuesday, October 31st at 5 p.m. EST.

We pledge to mobilize Muslim, Arab, and allied voters to withhold endorsement, support, or votes for any candidate who did not advocate for a ceasefire and endorse the Israeli offensive against the Palestinian people. We will mobilize increased voter turnout to make our voices heard. The State of Michigan, in the 2020 election, was decided by a mere 2.6 percent margin of victory and holds 16 crucial electoral votes. We emphasize the significance of Michigan, Ohio, Iowa, Florida, Arizona, Nevada, Georgia, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Tennessee, where many of our voters reside. We hereby demand an immediate ceasefire in the Gaza Strip, the establishment of a humanitarian aid corridor to assist the people of Gaza, and the lifting of the siege that has deprived innocent men, women, and children of basic necessities like food and water. The inhumane weaponization of water and the dehydration of children as a military strategy must cease immediately, and all communication channels must be reinstated.

(Gosh, it’s as if the 200+ hostages held by Hamas in the tunnels under Gaza don’t even exist, let alone matter. And it’s as if the devastation of the terror attack by Hamas on Oct. 7 didn’t even happen either.)

Anyway, as with Ukraine, Israel cannot agree to a ceasefire. If they did, it would be a gift to the terrorists. Consider:

Why the Gaza ground invasion is necessary:

What people need to understand from Israel’s perspective is that this is a cost calculation.

Until October 7th, the calculation in Israel was that Israel was that the country was better off putting up with occasional attacks and rocket volleys. That they were better off trying to encourage a better situation in Gaza with work visas, providing electricity, providing water etc. Even if the actual government of Gaza was doing nothing to help the situation and often undermining it. Those were efforts to avoid war.

Having kids grow up running to bomb shelters or fearing a random shooting or knife attack isn’t a small price, but it was better than a full war.

That equation changed on October 7th. When thousands of your people are tortured, raped, taking hostage or murdered by the group you allowed to stock up on weapons and plan because you avoided taking action for years, that choice is no longer available. Hamas took it away. War is here.

At the time of the attack, Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza were still technically in a ceasefire from the last attack earlier in 2023. Those calling for Israel to just abandon their hostages and allow Hamas to continue to restock weapons and prepare another attack are vounteering for Israelis to pay the price without asking them.

No country would ever accept such an attack without taking out the group responsible and ensuring it can’t happen again. No other country would be expected to do so. There is no doubt that Israel’s actions in Gaza will have costs for years to come, but there is no choice now. Hamas cannot be allowed to continue to stock up weapons, plan attacks, and terrorize Israelis. So the only choice now is victory or surrender.

We should pray for a swift victory with as little collateral damage as is possible.

Just two days ago, National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby reiterated the White House position that a ceasefire would only serve to benefit Hamas:

“We do not believe that a ceasefire is the right answer right now. We believe that a ceasefire right now benefits Hamas.”

Kirby added that “temporary localized humanitarian pauses,” however, should be considered to get aid to Palestinian civilians.

“What we have said should be considered and explored are temporary localized humanitarian pauses to allow aid to get to specific populations and maybe even to help with the evacuation of people that want to get out,” he said.

And as for Benjamin Netanyahu, he is, of course, adamantly against a ceasefire:

“Just as the U.S. wouldn’t have agreed to a cease-fire after the bombing of Pearl Harbor or after the terrorist attack on 9/11, Israel will not agree to a cessation of hostilities with Hamas after the horrific attacks of Oct. 7…Calls for a cease-fire are calls for Israel to surrender to Hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism. That will not happen.”

In the meantime, President Biden has to navigate the complicated waters of not losing the Jewish or Muslim vote. This especially as Democratic members of Congress are voicing their disapproval of the President’s views on a ceasefire.

—Dana

23 Responses to “The pressure is on president biden”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (932d71)

  2. Dear Muslim Council:

    Please send us a list of your membership.

    Thanks,

    The Government.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  3. In my earlier post I reported in the latest poll 66% of americans want a ceasefire. I disagree ;but thems the facts. Where would the muslim vote go to trump? Another republican who are just as anti-hamas? The muslims some of which are democrat party elected officials and many in Biden’s state department are pro-palestinian and some are pro-hamas. A few of us on the left like the late Christopher Hitchens and Bill Maher are not fans of the muslim religion. That being said they have no place to go. Only the democratic party is interested in the muslim community not the republican party. They will have to get what they can. Its called real politik.

    asset (a5c34b)

  4. Just imagine if, after Pearl Harbor, Japanese-Americans demanded that the US not react to this terrible accident. Oh, wait. Bad example. (And they didn’t.) But you get my point.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  5. Imagine if this becomes a wider shooting war, with the US and Iran involved. This kind of talk will quickly seem subversive instead of merely bad taste as it is now.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  6. A ceasefire doesn’t release hostages, it doesn’t stop Hamas rocket attacks, it doesn’t cause Hamas to surrender, so there’s no point. It’s effectively a pro-Hamas initiative, so now we know where the National Muslim Democratic Council stands, and it’s with the terrorists.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  7. The four videos in this post are worth watching, too.

    1. Build the military headquarters from which you plot the mass slaughter of civilians under a hospital and hide amidst the civilian population — a war crime

    2. Livestream the mass slaughter of civilians

    3. Publicize the civilian deaths that ensue as a result of the war crime you committed by placing the infrastructure from which you plotted the mass slaughter of civilians amidst your own civilians

    4. Wait for the world to take your side and demand that you be given impunity from reprisal for the mass slaughter of civilians because you committed a war crime by hiding amidst the civil population

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  8. A warning to the President from the National Muslim Democratic Council,

    All five of them?

    They must think that Biden is a Republican.

    nk (bb1548)

  9. There was a ceasefire on Oct 6th. Then Hamas broke it and massacred thousands. They must be destroyed completely and utterly.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  10. Not trying to be flippant, but does anyone think that the National Muslim Democratic Council (NMDC) has that much of a political sway?

    Are they assuming that their allies will honor their request to not vote?

    I’m not sure I’d buy that…

    whembly (5f7596)

  11. @Dana, straight from the horse’s mouth that Hamas isn’t going to stop:

    Hamas Official Ghazi Hamad: We Will Repeat the October 7 Attack Time and Again Until Israel Is Annihilated; We Are Victims – Everything We Do Is Justified #Hamas #Gaza #Palestinians pic.twitter.com/kXu3U0BtAP

    — MEMRI (@MEMRIReports) November 1, 2023

    whembly (5f7596)

  12. https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/israel-hamas-gaza-war-latest/card/israel-goes-unnamed-on-china-online-maps-aY5VjRWIlsnSMuASZNF2?

    Israel Goes Unnamed on China Online Maps

    Internet users in China are expressing bewilderment that the name Israel doesn’t appear on leading online digital maps from Baidu and Alibaba, an ambiguity that matches Beijing’s vague diplomacy in the region and contrasts with its attentiveness to maps generally.

    Baidu’s Chinese language online maps demarcate the internationally recognized borders of Israel, as well as the Palestinian territories, plus key cities, but don’t clearly identify the country by name. The same is true with online maps produced by Alibaba’s Amap, where even small nations like Luxembourg are clearly marked. Neither company responded to questions on Monday. It is unclear whether the development is new, though it has been discussed by Chinese internet users since war broke out.

    China’s government has over the years cried foul and levied fines over maps published elsewhere online, such as on hotel websites, for failing to strictly adhere to Beijing’s territorial claims, like leaving off a nine-dotted line stretching around the South China Sea that isn’t internationally recognized.

    China showing whose side it is on.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  13. https://twitter.com/GoldsteinBrooke/status/1719498254365114395

    Absolutely shocking testimony from Eli Beer of United Hatzalah who shares how he found an Israeli baby who had been baked alive in an oven in southern Israel. These are the Nazi barbarians Israel is fighting against!

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  14. BTW, Hamas says ixnay to easefiresay, and that will be more “al Aqsa Floods”, i.e., more 10/7s. They deserve to be crushed into oblivion.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  15. Windex weighs in on the Israel-Hamas War, and their take is, uh, refreshing. The opening paras…

    In recent years, it’s become common for companies and institutions to make statements in response to world events. Covid, the death of George Floyd, and the Supreme Court decisions on abortion and affirmative action all compelled companies, universities, and other organizations to go on-record.

    The horror in Israel and Gaza is the type of event that one would expect to prompt an avalanche of statements. And yet, many groups that previously spoke of a moral imperative to denounce injustice have fallen silent. Some have professed a newfound commitment to institutional neutrality, while others have been torn apart by internal dissent. They likely fear a misstep that could damage their standing.

    Let it be known: Windex — America’s #1 glass and surface cleaner — will not succumb to such institutional dicklessness. We are sickened by the cowardice of companies who strutted around like they were Nelson f-cking Mandela after issuing pro-forma George Floyd statements but have now fallen silent on Israel-Palestine. Windex will not make that mistake. We are, after all, known for two things: 1) Being the multi-purpose cleaner that brings a streak-free sparkle to any surface, and 2) Big, pendulous balls. We would no sooner compromise our reputation as a cleanser with cojones más grandes than we would surrender in our eternal struggle against fingerprints, dirt, and grime.

    Therefore, here is our statement on Israel/Palestine…

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  16. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 11/1/2023 @ 7:22 am

    BTW, Hamas says ixnay to easefiresay, and that will be more “al Aqsa Floods”, i.e., more 10/7s.

    Actually, Hamas’s official poasition is to call for a ceasefre, and what you quoted about more 10.7’s does not contradict that. It was posted on \X-Twitter to make sure that no one in \israel even thinks about a ceasefire, so they can blame Israel for all the people killed in the war. Sso that Iran will have some international tolerance for its attacks on U.S. assets and some reluctance among Arab states to side with the United States.

    There is some kind of Iranian master plan, which they may have confidence in because of their spies, but they may already be out of the “book”.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  17. Netanyahu statement (what was linked here was not it)

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/31/opinion/israels-war-with-hamas-is-your-war-benjamin-netanyahu

    Excerpts:

    …The horrors that Hamas perpetrated Oct. 7 remind us that we won’t realize the promise of a better future unless we, the civilized world, are willing to fight the barbarians….

    Rest assured, Israel will fight.

    Since Oct. 7, Israel has been at war.

    Israel didn’t start this war. Israel didn’t want this war. But Israel will win this war.Hamas launched this war by perpetrating the worst savagery our people have seen since the Holocaust….

    ….Iran has formed an axis of terror by arming, training, and financing Hamas in Gaza, Hezbollah in Lebanon, the Houthis in Yemen, and other terror proxies throughout the Middle East and beyond.

    In fighting Hamas and the Iranian axis of terror, Israel is fighting the enemies of civilization itself.

    Victory over these enemies begins with moral clarity.

    It begins with knowing the difference between good and evil, between right and wrong.

    It means making a moral distinction between the deliberate murder of the innocent and the unintentional casualties that are the inevitable result of even the most just war.

    SEE ALSO

    Gaza protest
    Peace can only come by freeing Gaza from Hamas
    It means holding Hamas accountable for the double war crime it commits every day by deliberately targeting Israeli civilians and deliberately using Palestinian civilians as human shields.

    It means not only making clear that the use of human shields is an immoral tactic of war but making certain it is an ineffective one.

    As long as the international community blames Israel for Hamas’ use of Palestinian human shields, Hamas will continue to employ this tool of terror.

    Hamas will continue to use the basements in Gaza’s hospitals as the command posts of its vast terror tunnel network.

    It will continue to use mosques as fortified military outposts and weapons depots.

    It will continue to steal fuel and humanitarian assistance from United Nations facilities.

    While Israel is doing everything to get Palestinian civilians out of harm’s way, Hamas is doing everything to keep Palestinian civilians in harm’s way.

    Israel urges Palestinian civilians to leave the areas of armed conflict, while Hamas prevents those civilians from leaving those areas at gunpoint.

    Hamas is preventing foreign nationals from leaving Gaza altogether.

    Most despicably, Hamas is holding more than 200 Israeli hostages, including 33 children.

    Every civilized nation should stand with Israel in demanding that these hostages be freed immediately and unconditionally.

    I want to make clear Israel’s position regarding a cease-fire…

    ….Calls for a cease-fire are calls for Israel to surrender to Hamas, to surrender to terrorism, to surrender to barbarism.

    That will not happen.

    The Book of Ecclesiastes says there is a time for peace and a time for war.

    This is a time for war — a war for our common future.

    Today we draw a line between civilization and barbarism.

    It is a time for everyone to decide where they stand.

    Israel will stand against the forces of barbarism until victory.

    I hope and pray that civilized nations everywhere will back this fight.

    Because Israel’s fight is your fight.

    If Hamas and Iran’s axis of evil win, you will be their next target….

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  18. Saying “Israel has aright to defend itself” is not a pro-Israel statement.

    It comes with an unstated

    “But…”

    Pro-Israel would be:

    “Israel has a right to destroy Hamas”

    or

    “HAMAS MUST SURRENDER”

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  19. Dear Muslim Community:

    In return for a ceasefire, you must arrange for your co-coreligionists to undertake the following steps:

    * the immediate release of all hostages
    * the peaceful surrender and extradition to Israel of anyone who participated in the atrocities of October 7, including senior Hamas leadership currently living in Qatar, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia
    * the disarmament of all civilians in Gaza, and the removal of weapons from public buildings
    * an acknowledgement of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and a public repudiation of any vows to eradicate Jews from the Middle East

    Once you accomplish these nonnegotiable steps, we can begin the process of arranging a ceasefire.

    Sincerely,
    The Decent People of the World

    JVW (abecd8)

  20. an acknowledgement of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish state and a public repudiation of any vows to eradicate Jews from the Middle East

    More important:

    A statement that they do not desire to be enemies of the Jews or Israel, and, even if many civilians are killed by the Israeli army, they still will not want to be enemies.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  21. Here’s a solid work-up as to why the bombing at Jabaliya was probably not a war crime, despite the dozens of civilians killed.

    Bottom line, if IDF had actionable intel that the High-Value Target was there, it’s not a war crime, especially if civilians had fair warning (which they did, because Gazans were told to move south last week).

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  22. @21 Arab Israeli citizens have a higher birthrate so unless netanhayu and likud plans forced birth control/abortion its long term existence as a jewish state is problematic. Even now likud and the religious parties are worried about the arab israeli vote.

    asset (f09f89)

  23. Hamas killed several Israeli Arab citizens at the music event who were there providing bus transportation. The Israeli Bedouins are not big fans of the Palestinians, so it is complicated

    steveg (8049f1)


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