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10/20/2023

Weekend open thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:36 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

Last night, President Biden made his case for support and funding to Ukraine and Israel. Here are a few excerpts from his speech tonight. I’m posting a generous portion:

The terrorist group Hamas unleashed pure unadulterated evil in the world, but sadly, the Jewish people know, perhaps better than anyone, that there is no limit to the depravity of people when they want to inflict pain on others.

The President also recognized the Palestinian people’s right to live free of Hamas:

I also spoke with President Abbas, the Palestinian Authority, and reiterated that the United States remains committed to the Palestinian people’s right to dignity and to self-determination. The actions of Hamas terrorists don’t take that right away.

Like so many others, I’m heartbroken by the tragic loss of Palestinian life, including the explosion at the hospital in Gaza, which was not done by the Israelis. We mourn every innocent life lost. We can’t ignore the humanity of innocent Palestinians who only want to live in peace and have an opportunity.

The President also tied Israel and Ukraine together. Effectively so, I think:

Hamas and Putin represent different threats, but they share this in common. They both want to completely annihilate a neighboring democracy — completely annihilate it. Hamas’ stated purpose for existing is the destruction of the state of Israel and the murder of Jewish people. Hamas does not represent the Palestinian people. Hamas uses Palestinian civilians as human shields, and innocent Palestinian families are suffering greatly because of them.

Meanwhile, Putin denies Ukraine has, or ever had, real statehood. He claims the Soviet Union created Ukraine. And just two weeks ago, he told the world that if the United States and our allies withdraw — and if the United States withdraws, our allies will as well — military support for Ukraine would have, quote, a week left to live.

But we’re not withdrawing.

On why it’s vital that Putin not succeed in his quest to destroy Ukraine:

Why does this matter to America? So let me share with you why making sure Israel and Ukraine succeed is vital for America’s national security.

You know, history has taught us that when terrorists don’t pay a price for their terror, when dictators don’t pay a price for their aggression, they cause more chaos and death and more destruction. They keep going. And the cost and the threats to America and the world keep rising.

So if we don’t stop Putin’s appetite for power and control in Ukraine, he won’t limit himself just to Ukraine. He’s — Putin’s already threatened to remind, quote, remind Poland that their western land was a gift from Russia. One of his top advisers, a former president of Russia, has called Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania Russia’s Baltic provinces.

These are all NATO allies. For 75 years, NATO has kept peace in Europe. And has been the cornerstone of American security. And if Putin attacks a NATO ally, we will defend every inch of NATO, which a treaty requires and calls for.

We’ll have something that we do not seek. Make it clear — we do not seek — we do not seek to have American troops fighting in Russia or fighting against Russia.

Beyond Europe, we know that our allies, and maybe most importantly our adversaries and competitors, are watching. They’re watching our response in Ukraine as well. And if we walk away and let Putin erase Ukraine’s independence, would-be aggressors around the world would be emboldened to try the same.

About Israel:

In Israel, we must make sure that they have what they need to protect their people today and always. The security package I’m sending to Congress and asking Congress to do is an unprecedented commitment to Israel’s security that will sharpen Israel’s qualitative military edge, which we’ve committed to: the qualitative military edge. We’re going make sure Iron Dome continues to guard the skies over Israel. We’re going to make sure other hostile actors in the region know that Israel’s stronger than ever and prevent this conflict from spreading.

About Ukraine:

On Ukraine, I’m asking Congress to make sure we can continue to send Ukraine the weapons they need to defend themselves and their country without interruption, so Ukraine can stop Putin’s brutality in Ukraine.

Second news item

Always courageous, feminist Phyllis Chessler pulls no punches:

I have pioneered women’s rights for more than 50 years.

Sadly, I must conclude that what was once a diverse and independent-minded movement has become hijacked by a “woke” death cult.

Those American feminists left standing, including the icons among us, primarily favor gender over sex identity; are pro-trans rather than pro-biological-womankind; and are more obsessed with the alleged occupation of a country that has never existed (Palestine, Gaza) than they are with the occupation of female bodies in Gaza — where girls and women are forced into child and polygamous marriages, made to veil and, together with male homosexuals, “honor” killed by their families.

At this horrifying moment in history, when Hamas, an ISIS-like, Taliban-like terrorist group, has savagely and sadistically murdered, tortured, mutilated, raped and burned Israeli civilians alive, including babies, young women and grandmothers, I note a terrible silence, a moral failure, among those women, including women activists, who live in freedom in America.

The bottom line:

We cannot believe feminists’ almost absolute silence after Hamas launched its terrorist attack against Jews this month — which included raping young women next to their dead friends and then parading them, bloodied between their legs, through Gaza streets.

Rape in a war zone is considered a crime — as long as the victims are not Jews.

Third news item

Just heartbreaking:

Tearful mourners on Monday gathered in prayer at a mosque and placed white and yellow roses at the gravesite of a 6-year-old Muslim boy stabbed to death by a man who police say targeted him and his mother because they were Palestinian Americans.

Police said the 6-year-old and his mother Hanaan Shahin, 32, were attacked by their landlord on Saturday in Plainfield Township, about 40 miles (64 km) southwest of Chicago. The boy was stabbed 26 times while his mother suffered multiple wounds. She was expected to survive.

The assailant attempted to choke the mother and said “You Muslims must die,” CAIR said, citing text messages that Shahin sent to the boy’s father from the hospital. The man then stabbed the woman and child repeatedly with what police described as long, military-style knife with a serrated edge.

From one of the mourners:

“It’s heartbreaking. This child did not deserve to die from what happened overseas,” Juhie Faheem, one of the mourners and neighbor of the family in Plainfield Township.

“What happened in Plainfield is going to make people understand that this hits closer to home and this child was murdered for being Muslim, but he easily could have been any race, any ethnicity.”

The brutal killing of the little boy took place a week after the Hamas terror attack on Israel.

Fourth news item

Sidney ‘Release the Kraken’ Powell pleads guilty:

Sidney Powell, who advised Trump during the final frantic weeks of his bid to remain in power despite losing the election, pleaded guilty Thursday to six misdemeanor counts of conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties…Powell’s guilty plea, which she entered in a court hearing in Atlanta, makes her the first member of Trump’s close advisers to admit to crimes related to the 2020 electio…Powell was sentenced to six years probation and will be left without a criminal record if she complies with all aspects of the agreement, Judge Scott McAfee indicated. She also must write an apology letter to Georgia citizens.

Powell also agreed to “testify truthfully” against her co-defendants, which could be very bad news for Trump.

Fifth news item

Term limits on Supreme Court?. Playing politics:

A group of Democratic senators introduced a bill Thursday that would radically change the makeup of the Supreme Court, amid ongoing concerns over court ethics and its increasingly conservative makeup.
The legislation would appoint a new Supreme Court justice every two years, with that justice hearing every case for 18 years before stepping back from the bench and only hearing a “small number of constitutionally required cases.”

Only the nine most recently appointed justices would hear appellate cases, which make up a bulk of the court’s work. All living justices would participate in a smaller subset of cases under the court’s “original jurisdiction,” such as disputes between states or with foreign officials.

Sixth news item

A solid analysis of the massive media failure this past week and a half:

Other media outlets didn’t exercise the same patience. Instead of waiting for more information, nearly all of them ran with the accusations from the terrorist group as if they were facts. That’s how eager they were to create a moral equivalency between Israel and Hamas.

The result of their careless journalism was actively misinforming millions about a serious situation and triggering a chain of deadly consequences. Even as the story developed and more information came out, the outlets were slow to react, much less issue corrections. By Wednesday there was overwhelming evidence that Israel was right and almost everything these outlets had originally reported was straight-up wrong. There is even clear evidence the casualty count was not remotely accurate, as confirmed by multiple intelligence agencies from other countries.

Seventh news item

Over at The Bulwark, Jonathan V. Last points to the reasons why he believes President Biden has done a stellar job with Israel:

Given Israel moral, rhetorical, and concrete support.

Rallied Europe to Israel’s cause.

Pulled the main body of the Democratic party even further away from its radical, anti-Israel fringe.

And pushed Israel to be more attentive to humanitarian concerns in its campaign against Hamas.

Eighth news item

Ninth news item

If you haven’t yet heard NYC Mayor Adams’ speech on Israel, do so:

Have a good weekend.

—Dana

406 Responses to “Weekend open thread”

  1. Happy Friday!

    Dana (0e9337)

  2. the United States remains committed to the Palestinian people’s right to dignity and to self-determination.

    Insanity is repeating actions and expecting different results. Gaza needs to spend some time as a protectorate of a stable Arab nation that has reason to prevent a re-emergence of something like Hamas.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  3. We need to call Trump, Vivek, Jordan and other appeasers just that. Appeasers, no better than the cowards who let Hitler have Czechoslovakia.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  4. A group of Democratic senators introduced a bill Thursday that would radically change the makeup of the Supreme Court

    Odd that the Democrats were fine with the heavily liberal Courts of the 60’s and 70’s, where ethics was so poor that LBJ was getting weekly reports on the Court’s Conferences from one of the justices, who he later attempted to elevate to Chief, but was only stopped when it became clear the man was a crook.

    How did the Right take over the court? Fifteen GOP appointments over 50 years, versus 4 for the Democrats, and many of those GOP appointments turned Left the moment they were confirmed (Blackmun, Stevens and Souter to name three). The Democrats want a quick fix, no better than the “Impeach Earl Warren” crowd of the late 50’s.

    Bah.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  5. Good news regarding Jordan and Chesebro.

    Regarding term limits on judges, it seems to me that any legislation that curtails judges’ terms is unconstitutional. Per Article III, Section 1, they “shall hold their Offices during good Behaviour”, which is taken to mean a lifetime appointment. It’s too bad our founding document didn’t say “good Behaviour and Health“, but the latter would open a can of legal worms.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  6. Gotta love the Democrats and their new Court-packing lite scheme. True to form, there’s apparently no problem we face as a society which can’t be solved by hiring more government employees, at least according to our progressive friends.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  7. Kenneth Chesebro takes last-minute plea deal in Georgia election interference case

    Rejoicing in the DA’s office. No October trial, no early discovery for Trump. I doubt that Cheseboro is much of a witness against Trump, but maybe his fellow election-machine raiders will start pleading guilty now.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  8. any legislation that curtails judges’ terms is unconstitutional.

    They would argue that the legislation doesn’t do that, just moves them into “senior” status after 18 years. Note that the first 3 to go would be Thomas, Roberts (maybe) and Alito.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  9. “Good behavior” includes stepping down when they can’t remember where the Court is.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  10. the United States remains committed to the Palestinian people’s right to dignity and to self-determination.

    Of course the President has to say that. However, as with any oppressed people controlled by maniacal and religious radical thugs, there are some that don’t want to live under the boot. We can only hope that at some point, a rebellion takes hold. It seems nearly impossible but even China, Iran, and Russia have their resistance.

    Dana (8bcc83)

  11. I expect that Powell and Cheseboro, both unindicted co-conspirators in Trump’s election subversion case, will be indicted by Jack Smith.

    I think all of those indicted by Fulton County and are unindicted in federal case will eventually be indicted by Jack Smith.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  12. Heh:

    Judge Arthur Engoron threatens to imprison Trump for violating the gag order in NY fraud trial:

    “Despite this order, last night I learned the offending post was never removed from a website. This is a blatant violation of the gag order. I made it clear that failure to comply will result in serious sanctions.”

    Now let’s see the Judge do it

    Dana (8bcc83)

  13. Odd that the Democrats were fine with the heavily liberal Courts of the 60’s and 70’s……..

    Back then it was the Republicans attacking the Court; remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” movement? Or William O. Douglas?

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  14. Here are the numbers: 20, 22, 25. If there is a fourth vote, I fearlessly predict there will be 29 Republicans voting against Jordan.

    (Are there are more willing to vote against him, if there is a fourth vote? Probably.)

    Does the Little Loser still have the Big Loser’s backing? Proabably.

    Reminder: According to some reports, the Big Loser was encouraged to run for president by his friend, Democrat Bill Clinton.

    Jim Miller (19045a)

  15. So far in the past 10 months there have been 18 votes for House Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  16. More good news. Two American hostages released by Hamas, but 18-20 to go.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  17. Back then it was the Republicans attacking the Court; remember the “Impeach Earl Warren” movement? Or William O. Douglas?

    Not only did I remember it, but I mentioned it in my post.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  18. If there is a fourth vote, I fearlessly predict there will be 29 Republicans voting against Jordan.

    I’d say 30, not 29. Fibonacci sequences (2, 3, 5, 8, 13) are more interesting than simple increments (2, 3, 4, 5, 6).

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  19. AllahNick trashed Jordan last night.

    As I write this on Thursday afternoon, the only certainty about Jim Jordan’s candidacy for speaker is how humiliating the process has been for him. A third House vote was supposed to be held this morning but was canceled when he still couldn’t find the votes he needed. Republicans proceeded to hold a long, angry conference meeting instead, which may or may not have involved someone lunging at Matt Gaetz. Jordan remains far short of 217 votes and is poised to shed further support on the third ballot, which might happen tonight. Possibly.

    At one point this afternoon he reportedly wanted to invest acting speaker Patrick McHenry with power to run the House until January, leaving Jordan as the GOP’s official “speaker-designate” and free to lobby for votes behind the scenes before a permanent speaker is chosen next year. That felt like a satire of how populists approach politics. The unassuming McHenry, with the support of a majority of the House, would do the actual work of legislating on hard matters like Ukraine and government funding, while Jordan—lacking anything close to a majority—would preen about his purity in appearances on Fox News and exult in the leadership stature that the title of “speaker-designate” had granted him.

    It would have felt a bit like a father setting up an office playset alongside his own desk in his home office for his 3-year-old. While dad conducts business, Junior gets to pantomime him, banging around with his plastic phone.

    (Gleeful emphasis mine)

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  20. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/20/2023 @ 10:41 am

    My bad. Ford’s attempt to impeach Douglas is more relevant today, since he alleged financial improprieties.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  21. It’ll be great news if a majority of House Republicans, by secret ballot, vote against Jim Jordan’s run for Speaker.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  22. Eventually Douglass’s mental infirmities became an issue for the other Justices, and they told him to resign. Had he not, that impeachment might have happened after all.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  23. If the MAGA fever breaks, we may look to this week as the break point.

    Appalled (d8bfb3)

  24. Dana (8bcc83) — 10/20/2023 @ 9:59 am

    Any sanctions will be monetary. Former federal prosecutor and CNN legal analyst Elie Honig said on Dan Abram’s Sirius XM show he’s never heard of anyone being incarcerated for violating a gag order.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  25. Again, this reflects the weakness of parties generally. There’s should be a compromise candidate that would not be viewed as too close to McCarthy or too close to Gaetz/Jordan. This is one of those service moments when it’s time to take one for the team….meaning who would want to try to lead such a divided caucus let alone Congress. I would almost prefer someone from outside coming in and trying to diffuse some of the animosity. Normal outsiders will probably not appeal to the MAGA side of the aisle.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  26. If the MAGA fever breaks, we may look to this week as the break point.

    Appalled (d8bfb3) — 10/20/2023 @ 11:31 am

    MAGA fever will only break when Trump leaves the political scene permanently.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  27. Something about SALT deductions…cue the Denzel Washington Training Day Ride Along Meme with an objectional 6 letter slur:

    https://news.yahoo.com/jim-jordan-trying-buy-speakership-145332002.html

    urbanleftbehind (cea89b)

  28. McHenry or Scalise will do. Even McCarthy.
    As long as a Speaker is elected and it’s not Jordan. Or Marge. Or Gaetz. Like that.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  29. Trump’s lawyer Christopher Kise made this apology:

    Kise said the post was taken down from Trump’s Truth Social network after the judge’s ruling, “and Trump never made any more comments about court staff, but it appears no one took it down on the campaign website. It is unfortunate and I apologize on behalf of my client.”

    That probably will appease Judge Engoron (and it should).

    I agree that the Judge should follow through on any new outbursts. I’ve been a big proponent of the school that says all this simply makes Trump stronger and causes his base to burrow in like a tick on a dogs butt, but we seem stuck in this place where we are trying to appease by not escalating, which is not serving us well because in the end we will never win any war from Trump to Ukraine to Hamas decisively. The decision is made to have an indecisive conclusion.
    We have slow walked weapons to Ukraine out of fear of what Putin will do if his army is crushed decisively and expelled completely from Ukraine.
    We are afraid that by allowing Israel to crush Hamas, this will draw Hezbollah, other assorted Iranian proxies, led by imbedded Iranians, into the fight.
    We are afraid of what Trump will do in court and what his crazies will do. We went down this road with a former President and now have to finish stronger than before. It will be hard because what is the Judge really going to do with Trump after another outburst? Trump won’t be shipped off to Rikers Island. He will at worst get sent to an interview room for a few hours. The Secret Service will be with him and they’ll bring whatever Trump says he needs, short of a firearm

    steveg (f167f4)

  30. If the MAGA fever breaks, we may look to this week as the break point.

    If not, we may look to it as the point where the GOP finally split, into a Conservative Party and a MAGA party.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  31. he’s never heard of anyone being incarcerated for violating a gag order.

    It depends on what happens after a fine. Trump has issues with authority.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  32. #19 Good point. (I almost wish there will be another vote, so we can test our predictions.
    Almost.)

    Jim Miller (a4e134)

  33. Bring back Newt.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  34. @22

    It’ll be great news if a majority of House Republicans, by secret ballot, vote against Jim Jordan’s run for Speaker.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/20/2023 @ 10:48 am

    …and there you have it. Jordan’s no longer the candidate.

    I wonder if there’s a respectable GOPer who could do the job who doesn’t hold that seat….

    whembly (5f7596)

  35. Not enough, nowhere near enough. The judge should’ve had added a couple extra zeroes to the fine.

    NEW YORK (AP) — Judge fines Donald Trump $5K but won’t hold him in contempt after post disparaging court clerk lingered on campaign site.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  36. 🚨 BREAKING 🚨

    We have found a $200,000 DIRECT payment to Joe Biden.
    @RepJamesComer lays out the money trail. 👇 pic.twitter.com/0vq3lqhRHz

    — Oversight Committee (@GOPoversight) October 20, 2023

    The Biden defenders are saying that these was a loan repayment.

    Cool, cool… is there documentation that substantiate that? Should be easy to prove it so…right?

    whembly (5f7596)

  37. #37

    In this case, the story is plausible. (It took the court a while to find it, after all.) so I am good with the smallish fine. After all, this trial is going to reduce Trump’s net with by 3 or 4 billion at least.

    Appalled (bdb40d)

  38. The known Republican candidates for speaker are Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, Austin Scott of Georgia, Jack Bergman of Michigan and Byron Donalds of Florida, while Mike Johnson of Louisiana and Tom Emmer of Minnesota have been making calls about potential bids.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  39. Oversight Committee

    Expect that to get busy again, now that members aren’t distracted.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  40. Well, Hunter is reported to have looted his high school age daughter’s college fund in 2018-9 when he was running short of money, so he might have used money belonging to his father also, which was later repaid by a political donor.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12598997/Hunter-Biden-withdrew-20-000-daughter-Maisys-college-fund-spent-hookers-drugs-bankers-warned-just-44-cents-left-account.html

    In late 2018 Hunter Biden withdrew his $20,000 from daughter Maisy’s college savings to help fund a months-long drug and hooker binge

    His private bankers at Wells Fargo sent him an email [on December 17, 2018] warning that he had just 44 cents left in his account

    Hunter responded with a jumbled reply, ordering them to transfer $20,000 from Maisy’s account ..

    …..Hunter’s assistant Katie Dodge plaintively emailed him on December 28 that year that he had University of Pennsylvania tuition bills of $27,945 due (likely for his eldest daughter, Naomi), a $1,700 payment for his Porsche, $4,244.70 for Maisy’s high school Sidwell Friends, her $3,000 paycheck and $1,000 for another employee.

    Hunter tersely told Dodge to pay for the Porsche and his health insurance, but that she would only be getting half her paycheck – and that he would ‘deal with tuitions when time comes.’

    He added: ‘If you haven’t noticed Katie my business partner is now a prisoner on death row in China,’ referring to Chinese government-linked oil giant CEFC chairman Ye Jianming, who had been arrested on corruption charges in Beijing that year.

    That he sentenced to death could only have been a guess

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  41. @40

    The known Republican candidates for speaker are Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, Austin Scott of Georgia, Jack Bergman of Michigan and Byron Donalds of Florida, while Mike Johnson of Louisiana and Tom Emmer of Minnesota have been making calls about potential bids.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (817b4f) — 10/20/2023 @ 12:49 pm

    I actually like Byron Donalds, but he’s too much of a Trump mouthpeice imo, so he’s zero chance while Trump is running. But, he’s a guy who can wrangle the factions together and campaign/raise money.

    I kinda want Mike Johnson to throw his hat in the ring.

    Otherwise, bring back McCarthy (I think he’s sincere in that he doesn’t want it anymore).

    whembly (5f7596)

  42. https://www.newser.com/story/341670/hamas-says-it-freed-us-woman-daughter-held-hostage.html

    …Martin Fletcher, a former network correspondent, announced their capture Thursday night on MSNBC, saying they’re part of his wife’s family…

    Sammy FInkelman (c5132f)

  43. Kevin McCarthy was prepared to make the nominating speech for Jim Jordan

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  44. The attempt to impeach Supreme Court Justice WilliamO. Douglas was in 1970.

    Douglas had a stroke in 1974.

    His colleagues agreed to not let any case be decided by his vote.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  45. What Sidney Powell was charged with in Georgia was not related too much to most of the attempts to charge the election was stolen, but she could testify about all that. Cheesbro was at the heart of the legal maneuverings with counting the Electoral votes, where the facts are basically not in dispute – the law is.

    But Cheesbro may know something about somebody’s plans for the storming of the Capitol. He went there and documented Alex Jones(using a bullhorn) and Ali Alexander (who got what permits he could) telling people not to go in but instead go to where Trump was going to speak..

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  46. The 2nd paragraph below from Catoggio made me laugh, for the visual.

    At one point this afternoon he reportedly wanted to invest acting speaker Patrick McHenry with power to run the House until January, leaving Jordan as the GOP’s official “speaker-designate” and free to lobby for votes behind the scenes before a permanent speaker is chosen next year. That felt like a satire of how populists approach politics. The unassuming McHenry, with the support of a majority of the House, would do the actual work of legislating on hard matters like Ukraine and government funding, while Jordan—lacking anything close to a majority—would preen about his purity in appearances on Fox News and exult in the leadership stature that the title of “speaker-designate” had granted him.

    It would have felt a bit like a father setting up an office playset alongside his own desk in his home office for his 3-year-old. While dad conducts business, Junior gets to pantomime him, banging around with his plastic phone.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  47. Who added the music to Mayor Adams’ speech?

    Captions were added in Hebrew so this probably comes from something somebody prepared in Israel for TV or more likely, just the Internet…

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  48. https://carolineglick.com/hamass-deception-and-our-self-deception

    …Five days after Hamas’s slaughter of more than 1,300 Jews in southern Israel, and on the eve of his meeting Friday in Amman with U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken, P.A. chairman and PLO/Fatah chief Mahmoud Abbas released a statement.

    “We reject the practices of killing civilians or abusing them on both sides because they contravene morals, religion and international law.”

    Abbas’s statement is notable for many reasons. It doesn’t name Hamas. It draws a moral equivalence between Israel’s counterattack in Gaza and Hamas’s orgiastic rape, torture, murder, immolation and kidnapping of babies, children, women and men. And it came after five days in which Abbas and the rest of Palestinian society did nothing but celebrate and defend Hamas’s atrocities while blaming Israel for the crimes against humanity Hamas conducted against its people.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  49. Kevin McCarthy was prepared to make the nominating speech for Jim Jordan

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a) — 10/20/2023 @ 1:07 pm

    McCarthy nominated Jordan before the “three strikes and you’re out” vote today.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  50. But, (Byron Donalds) a guy who can wrangle the factions together and campaign/raise money.

    Evidence? He’s a real newbie-only in his second term. What are his accomplishments?

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  51. Self-styled expert on what to after Hamas is defeated

    https://www.foreignaffairs.com/israel/what-comes-after-hamas

    Another expert – involved in drawing up the plan for Iraq that Donald Rumsfeld discarded:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/16/opinion/israel-gaza-iraq-iran.html

    The self-defeating mind-set that took hold in the United States not long after Iraq’s occupation was that the decision to invade Iraq was an original sin — something so wrong that it could never have come out better than it did. That mentality is damaging because it cuts off any serious effort to understand what went wrong and why.

    he most important thing that went wrong is that they didn’t figure that other dictatorships – and not just Iran by the way -would try to make any good outcome fail.-

    There are some possible insights included in what they write – and errors too.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  52. @53 My opinion.

    His background is prior to politics is in the banking, finance, and insurance industries.

    He’s an impressive conservative with a pragmatic streak. That pragmatism, which he articulates really well, suits him well in working with others.

    Currently, though, he’s a Trump mouthpiece so he really doesn’t have a lane in the near-term. Trump is that toxic imo.

    Frankly, I don’t think he’ll be a lifer in politics, unless he climbs that ladder somewhere (ie, Senator/Governor/etc…).

    whembly (5f7596)

  53. Supreme Court lifts restrictions on Biden administration communications with social media companies
    ………
    The court’s move pauses rulings from a federal trial court and a conservative appeals court that severely limited the ability of the White House, the surgeon general, the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the FBI and a top US cybersecurity agency to communicate with social media companies about content related to Covid-19 and elections the government views as misinformation.
    …………
    In agreeing to pause the rulings on Friday, the high court also said it would take up the case, though it didn’t say when it would hear oral arguments in the dispute.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  54. David French on not limiting yourself to abiding by the laws of war:(although in his examples, it would be possible to have better judgment in assessing the situation)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/15/opinion/gaza-israel-war-morals.html

    As a former JAG (or Judge Advocate General’s Corps) officer embedded with a combat arms unit in Iraq during Operation Iraqi Freedom, I know that you can’t simply merge law and tactics and declare that everything that is legally and tactically sound is also moral, much less wise….

    ….To illustrate the depth of the problem and its deadly stakes, I want to share two stories from my unit’s deployment in Diyala Province, Iraq, in 2008. The first occurred on the night of Feb. 10. A roadside bomb had claimed the life of a young sergeant, Corey Spates. He died a week after his first wedding anniversary. Other soldiers were wounded by the blast, and medical evacuation helicopters were coming to collect the wounded.

    I was at our headquarters monitoring the unfolding situation through video feeds from nearby aircraft, and that’s when we spotted a small group of what appeared to be young men hiding in an irrigation ditch, directly in the path of the incoming helicopters. We didn’t see weapons, but our video feed was grainy and blurry. Their prone posture matched enemy tactics. We knew insurgents of Al Qaeda in Iraq often infiltrated our area of operations by crawling through irrigation ditches, and these men were perfectly positioned to make a terrible night even worse, by shooting down the low-flying helicopters that were minutes away.

    What do you do? Under the general principles of the laws of war, we had the ability to make sure the helicopters could land safely by opening fire on those shadowy figures. They were exhibiting what we called enemy T.T.P.s (tactics, techniques and procedures). But just because you can shoot doesn’t mean you should.

    My commander chose a middle way. He ordered a detachment of cavalry troopers to quickly move to investigate, opening themselves up to potential ambush. And when our troopers arrived, they found not armed men, but a small band of terrified middle-school-age boys who had heard the blast and run outside to see what happened and now were cowering in fear. I shudder to think of the consequences had we chosen to open fire — both in the pain we would have inflicted on a community we were trying to protect and in the hearts of the men who would have killed children, even if the law would have permitted the attack.

    Does this always mean that the lesson is to demonstrate patience and take extraordinary risks? No. On Sept. 24, 2008, our troopers pursued a car that had escaped from a cordon of soldiers who were seeking to isolate and capture a small group of suspected Qaeda insurgents. As the car sped away, the question arose: Could our soldiers engage?

    The answer again was no. Though there was a strong argument that the laws of war would permit our troopers to attack, caution was again the order of the day. So they pursued the car and cornered it, and my friend Mike Medders moved to investigate and detain the occupants. This time there were no boys present, only terrorists. One of them was wearing a suicide vest. He blew himself up, and my friend suffered mortal wounds. He died as his comrades desperately tried to render medical aid.

    And he says you can’t say it’s better not to engage in combat.

    …a large portion of Diyala Province was in the grip of Al Qaeda in Iraq. In 2008 its weapon of choice was the female suicide bomber, and the carnage the suicide bombers inflicted on Iraqi civilians was beyond horrific. It was a moral imperative to defeat them and to give the people of the province the chance to live safe and free.

    In Diyala in 2008 we made our moral choices. We defeated the terrorists, and when in doubt our soldiers risked their own lives to protect civilians. The pride and sorrow of those decisions remain with so many of those who served.

    Sammy FInkelman (c5132f)

  55. The 2nd paragraph below from Catoggio made me laugh, for the visual.

    Yeah, me too. I bolded it in #20.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  56. 200k direct payment to Joe Biden from his brother the same day Americore loaned his brother 200k.

    Corruption beyond belief

    NJRob (ef977b)

  57. Oh no Byron… what is you do’n?

    He just threw his hat in the ring.

    He’s not going to shake off the Trump stench… if Jordan can’t win, what makes you think you can?

    whembly (5f7596)

  58. Being a “Trump mouthpiece” and “pragmatic” seems oxymoronic, except in Donalds case it probably isn’t, since he represents a district that is close to Mar A Lego.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  59. Mar A Lego=Mar A Lago

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  60. @60

    200k direct payment to Joe Biden from his brother the same day Americore loaned his brother 200k.

    Corruption beyond belief

    NJRob (ef977b) — 10/20/2023 @ 1:51 pm

    Woah, woah NJRob… let’s not be hasty!

    The memo literally states it’s for “loan repayment”.

    So, all Joey Joe needs to do is to show documentation that this was a loan.

    Easy-peasy.

    whembly (5f7596)

  61. Self-styled expert on what to after Hamas is defeated

    The group would develop a plan to transfer control of Gaza from Israel to the UN once combat operations have ceased. This would be an enormous undertaking for the UN, whose institutional capacity is already strained, encumbered by a rigid and complicated bureaucracy. Setting these defects aside…

    Blind wishing. A better plan would be making Rachel Maddow Queen of Gaza.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  62. The assailant attempted to choke the mother and said “You Muslims must die,” CAIR said,

    You have to be careful about what CAIR says. In court, prosecutors said it was triggered by the call for a “Day of Rage” which would make this more paranoia than hate.

    This is based on what the mother said:

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/fatal-stabbing-6-year-palestinian-refugee-wadea-al/story?id=104008295

    In court, Will County Assistant State’s Attorney Michael Fitzgerald said the boy’s 32-year-old mother, Hanaan Shahin, told investigators that when first confronted by Czuba over the violence in the Holy Land, she told him, “Let’s pray for peace.”

    “He didn’t give her time. He then attacked her with a knife,” Fitzgerald said.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  63. @62 Rip, as I said, it’s my opinion as Byron is someone I follow quite a bit.

    whembly (5f7596)

  64. So, all Joey Joe needs to do is to show documentation that this was a loan.

    Easy-peasy.

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 1:54 pm

    Or that Hunter had stolen money from him.

    Sammy FInkelman (1d215a)

  65. Mar A Lego

    If only.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  66. @62 Rip, as I said, it’s my opinion as Byron is someone I follow quite a bit.

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 1:56 pm

    That’s fine, I just never heard of him until now, and his qualifications to be Speaker just seem rather thin. I can’t find any reference to him as being a particularly high fundraiser for other GOP candidates.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  67. @70 I’m confident he could do it. But he has that Trump baggage currently that I think makes the same Jordan-malcontent hold him against.

    I’m actually surprised he’s throwing his hat in the ring, as like you, he needs to be in politics a wee bit longer imo.

    whembly (5f7596)

  68. I’m actually surprised he’s throwing his hat in the ring, as like you, he needs to be in politics a wee bit longer imo.

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 2:23 pm

    It’s like the Senate, where every Senator thinks they can President. In the House every Representative thinks they can be Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  69. I note that Chesebro had to take a felony, while Powell got off with misdemeanors.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  70. In agreeing to pause the rulings on Friday, the high court also said it would take up the case, though it didn’t say when it would hear oral arguments in the dispute.

    The problem is not that the government talks to these companies, but that it is asking them to do things that the government cannot do by itself. Absent coercion that may be fine, but government has a lot of power and isn’t shy about using it. Musk and Twitter, um, X may be a case in point. Censorship by proxy, “or else” may be worse than flat out censorship.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  71. @73

    I note that Chesebro had to take a felony, while Powell got off with misdemeanors.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/20/2023 @ 3:02 pm

    Quite a step down from RICO…

    However Powell/Chesebro would need to take the stand as a witness for prosecution.

    whembly (5f7596)

  72. There are also two cases this term about states (TX and FL) attempting to block companies from placing content restrictions on those using their public services.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  73. Quite a step down from RICO

    Yes, but a felony has severity that a misdemeanor does not.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  74. The check was dated March 2018, after Joe was VP, when he was a private citizen, so it’s not a bribe.

    Was the check to Joe illegal? Unknown, and that’s on Comer to prove.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  75. Some folks at The Dispatch like Mike Gallagher. More of the middle-ground-to-attract-Dems theory, but that may be where we finally are.

    Those Republicans who deposed McCarthy are clearly not interested in supporting a consensus candidate willing to pass compromise legislation through a divided government and stake out a general-election friendly GOP message. And it’s grown increasingly clear in recent days that the firebrand political personalities this faction might support—Jim Jordan—are nonstarters for the GOP’s more pragmatic wing. Given Republicans’ narrow majority, any candidate looking to hit the requisite 217-vote threshold will therefore need some amount of bipartisan backing: a Republican who can position the GOP for 2024 while also being palatable enough to receive some Democratic support.

    Rep. Mike Gallagher of Wisconsin is that kind of Republican—and we aren’t the only ones to think so. Between failed speaker votes on Wednesday, Punchbowl News’ Jake Sherman reported that the 39-year-old Marine Corps veteran was receiving some encouragement to throw his hat in the ring once it becomes clear Jordan doesn’t have the votes. Earlier in the day, GOP Rep. Jim Banks of Indiana had re-upped a piece Gallagher wrote for The Atlantic in 2018. The title? “How to Salvage Congress.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  76. when he was a private citizen, so it’s not a bribe.

    Does the check have to come before the action?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  77. @77

    Quite a step down from RICO

    Yes, but a felony has severity that a misdemeanor does not.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/20/2023 @ 3:09 pm

    True, but still no jail time? Weakest of weak felony severity.

    A reminder: just because someone pleads guilty, it still doesn’t actually mean what they did was illegal or they thought so (even theough they have to tell the judge that they do).

    People plead guilty for many reasons and people plead guilty to things that courts later say are not crimes all the time.

    whembly (5f7596)

  78. Oh no Byron… what is you do’n?

    He just threw his hat in the ring.

    He’s not going to shake off the Trump stench… if Jordan can’t win, what makes you think you can?

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 1:53 pm

    He’s black but not not black conservative nerd (i.e. Daniel Cameron?) and with some urban agenda BS might wrangle in some CBCers?

    urbanleftbehind (f0fc0f)

  79. Does the check have to come before the action?

    Before what action?
    Assuming Joe actually did lend his brother $200k, I don’t see an illegality. Where James got the funds to repay his brother is a James issue, not a Joe issue.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  80. 6th item Hamas releases to hostages to red cross after cong. Rashida Tliab asks for release of hostages.

    asset (fe401c)

  81. James comer finds $200,000 check payment to joe biden from bankrupt company seeking govt. help laundered thru his brother james. James sex it was repayment of handshake loan (no evidence of loan exists) (ACE.)

    asset (fe401c)

  82. It’s as if no one but Ms. Tlaib were demanding the release of Hamas hostages, asset.

    On the subject of hostages, Graeme Wood is a stellar journalist, especially when it comes to militant Islamist affairs, and he found a Hamas hostage-taking handbook, part of which says to “kill the difficult ones” and use hostages as “human shields”. Some excerpts.

    The Atlantic obtained a copy of the manual from an IDF official, who vouched for its authenticity and who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the materials. Israeli President Isaac Herzog had earlier referred to the document in an interview on CNN, calling it “an instruction guide, how to go into civilian areas, into a kibbutz, a city, a moshav [agricultural co-op].” He said it described “exactly how to torture them, how to abduct them, how to kidnap them.”
    […]
    “It specifically notes the need to separate women and children from men—confirmation that the snatching of children was planned from the start, and not the product of some kind of excess fervor following battlefield success.”

    Unfortunately, it’s behind a paywall.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  83. whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 3:18 pm

    Felony guilty pleas never look good to a bar disciplinary committees.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  84. @86 I hope your not upset cong. Tlaib called for their release and Hamas released the hostages.

    asset (fe401c)

  85. The known Republican candidates for speaker are Kevin Hern of Oklahoma, Austin Scott of Georgia, Jack Bergman of Michigan and Byron Donalds of Florida, while Mike Johnson of Louisiana and Tom Emmer of Minnesota have been making calls about potential bids.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f) — 10/20/2023 @ 12:49 pm

    None of these candidates will be the next Speaker, as they are all McCarthy or Trump/Jordan acolytes.

    Hern, Bergman, Donalds, Johnson, and Emmer are election deniers, having signed onto an amicus brief supporting Texas in Texas v. Pennsylvania and/or voting against ratifying the 2020 election results.

    Mike Johnson also served on Trump’s impeachment legal defense team.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  86. Donalds has stated as recently as July 2023 that he doesn’t believe that Biden is the “legitimate President.”

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  87. We now are told the incident off the coast of Yemen went on for 9 hours with 3 cruise missiles and several drones shot down using SM-2 missiles which according to this site cost $2.1M each
    https://missiledefenseadvocacy.org/missile-defense-systems-2/missile-defense-systems/missile-interceptors-by-cost/

    The US Military needs to develop cheaper weapons for the cheaper drones quickly

    steveg (f167f4)

  88. Stepping into this late, but: the idea for yhe 18-year SCOTUS term came from Rick Perry in 2011 during his campaign for president.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/perry-term-limit-judges-make-congress-a-part-time-job/

    SamG (4e6c22)

  89. Re: the check from James to Joe – it’s from 2018. Joe was neither an elected official nor a candidate. Another nothingburger.

    SamG (4e6c22)

  90. @90

    Donalds has stated as recently as July 2023 that he doesn’t believe that Biden is the “legitimate President.”

    Rip Murdock (817b4f) — 10/20/2023 @ 4:27 pm

    And?

    A lot of people feel that way.

    So do I.

    And he’s not saying Joe Biden isn’t the President…that’s obvious.

    No one can convincingly state that the last election was conducted fairly. The sheer number of mail-in ballots stipulates, alone, lack of chain of custody.

    There’s no way to know, that Biden won fair in square or if any fraud made up his margin of victory. That’s impossible. Folks can conduct all the forensic they want, and even if such investigation can show a likelihood of fraud after the fact, there is zero appetite to overturn it because folks are going to want a smoking gun sort of evidence to overturn the election.

    This is the “messy” part of our elections, and going forward we have to hope additional safeguards are put in place so that these sort of things don’t happen again.

    Like I said, Donalds is a Trump mouth-piece.

    He got zero chance for Speakership with this House. Especially if the malcontent’s rejection of Jordan is also a Trump mouth piece.

    whembly (5f7596)

  91. @93

    Stepping into this late, but: the idea for yhe 18-year SCOTUS term came from Rick Perry in 2011 during his campaign for president.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/perry-term-limit-judges-make-congress-a-part-time-job/

    SamG (4e6c22) — 10/20/2023 @ 5:27 pm

    Requires a constitutional amendment.

    whembly (5f7596)

  92. whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 5:36 pm

    Glad to know where you stand.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  93. @95 I know. It’s just important to note that this was most prominently proposed by a GOP candidate for POTUS.

    Judge the idea on the merits, not the source.

    SamG (4e6c22)

  94. Asia Times disputes USN claims by saying that the Cruise missiles could not have been aimed at Israel due to the distance being at the far end of their range. USN also does not explain the eight kamikaze drones.
    Says only logical explanation is that they were launched at the USS Carney. The Houthis tactic against the Saudi’s has been to launch a swarm of kamikaze drones to try to hit the anti air radar system and then follow quickly by hitting the now blind target with the cruise missiles.

    It is possible the US is lying by being nonchalant, or maybe the Houthi’s were over enthusiastic about their chances given the boost Allah might give the cruise missiles if they all chanted Allah Akbar enough times in a row to get his attention. If the kamikaze drones were brought down by Phalanx/SeaRAM CIWS type systems then they had to be passing fairly close because those have a effective range of 9000 meters(although that number is usually a lowball). It looks like the drones might have been within 6-7 miles of the USS Carney.

    The USS Carney is an anti ballistic missile destroyer that is described as “always looking up” which makes it vulnerable to low flying systems

    I think the USN is going to start traveling in pairs in the Red Sea for a while because it could be a disaster if a defensive system goes down at the wrong time.

    That said, well done to the crew of the USS Carney.

    steveg (f167f4)

  95. Glad to know where you stand.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f) — 10/20/2023 @ 5:43 pm

    How’s the human vegetable “President” doing?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  96. https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2023/10/11/rand_paul_anything_fauci_and_his_cohorts_were_saying_publicly_they_were_saying_the_opposite_privately.html

    “Everything that Anthony Fauci and his cohorts, these other virologists were saying publicly, they were saying the opposite privately,” Paul said. “Then it turns out that many of the people that were appointed to be part of this all had quiet interests that they weren’t willing to reveal. Including Anthony Fauci. When I asked him directly under oath whether or not he was receiving royalties from any of the companies manufacturing vaccines, he refused to answer. When I asked him whether anybody on the committee was receiving royalties he lashed out and accused me of something but would never answer the question.”

    “So there really are some big, big questions and some reforms that should be obvious to everybody,” Paul said. “You shouldn’t be allowed to be voting on a committee if you’re receiving money from the companies that are going to make billions of dollars because of your decision. We have uncovered a lot of conflicts of interest here. There’s much to be done. I’ve referred Anthony Fauci twice for criminal prosecution by the Department of Justice. As you know, Merrick Garland will probably not go down in history as the most objective of Attorneys General. So I don’t have much luck. But other than prosecuting Anthony Fauci, it is important to remember that the truth be told and that people see the evidence laid out as that this virus did come from a lab. It came from gain of function research that we were funding, that Anthony Fauci was funded.”

    Massive fraud from the government. Who knew?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  97. I have shown on this site before how the 2020 election was illegtimately stolen not only from trump ;but from the voters who had the candidate they wanted to vote for removed from the ballot in az, ga, mi. and wi. by the democrat party so voters did not have their prefered candidate on the ballot. Republicans don’t complain because they were trying to get the libertarian party removed in the same way! Even those who claim the election was “fair” don’t deny this happened to prevent voters from voting for their candidate.

    asset (c8d5e4)

  98. House GOP votes Jordan out as its speaker pick

    Rip Murdock (817b4f) — 10/20/2023 @ 11:10 am

    Jordan’s mistake was that he called for a secret ballot vote without knowing if he would win. He didn’t have the experience of whipping a vote. He assumed the public roll call votes reflected his true support, when in fact it represented a only a minority view. Reportedly, he lost the secret ballot vote 86-122, with the 86 yeas roughly equal to the House Freedom Caucus membership.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  99. How’s the human vegetable “President” doing?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/20/2023 @ 6:05 pm

    Israelis love him more than Netanyahu.

    Rip Murdock (817b4f)

  100. Rip
    That is what happens when Great Grandpa shows up and showers the kids with $100B in gifts

    steveg (f167f4)

  101. Felony guilty pleas never look good to a bar disciplinary committees.

    Or federal firearms dealers.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  102. One way to know you’re talking to a circus performer versus a politician: The number of times they appeared on FoxNews.

    James Comer: 200 times in 2023 alone.
    Jim Jordan: 565 times from 2017-2022.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  103. Requires a constitutional amendment.

    Don’t think it does. They still have their jobs, but Congress can regulate the courts.

    Article III, Section 2, Paragraph 2:

    In all Cases affecting Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, and those in which a State shall be Party, the supreme Court shall have original Jurisdiction. In all the other Cases before mentioned, the supreme Court shall have appellate Jurisdiction, both as to Law and Fact, with such Exceptions, and under such Regulations as the Congress shall make.

    The older justices remain on an enlarged court that handles original jurisdiction cases — something that COngress cannot change. But they CAN regulate how the Court acts on Appellate cases, and limiting those to the most-recent Nine would seem to be within their power.

    I’m not saying it’s a good idea, and may be too cute by half. It’s reminiscent of Gingrich’s plan to disband Circuits (and thereby making their judges redundant), and later adding new Circuits with new judges. Of course, the current Court would have to rule on it….

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  104. Reportedly, he lost the secret ballot vote 86-122, with the 86 yeas roughly equal to the House Freedom Caucus membership.

    While the actual membership of the HFC is unknown, there are 43 who claim to be members, and 46 were members in 2022. Ken Buck of Colorado, an HFC member, voted against Jordan three times.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  105. @107: You lawyers out there, am I missing something here?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  106. Of course, the current Court would have to rule on it…. – Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/20/2023 @ 10:49 pm

    I think this covers anything you missed, Kevin M.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  107. Israelis love him [Biden] more than Netanyahu.

    Another stab in the heart to poor Mr. Former President Donald Trump who is nourished by love the way a budding blossom is nourished by the morning dew and the glow of the breaking dawn.

    Seriously, Israel suffers a pogrom not seen since 1945 and the orange baboon’s response is to badmouth Netanyahu for congratulating Biden after the election? Wingnut Central should pray for a cult leader who is only as cognitively diminished as Biden.

    nk (011e83)

  108. Should congresscritters who refuse to do their jobs, for example, AOC, MTG, Gaetz, and more, refund their paychecks?

    I think so. (And, though it is unlikely to happen to many of them, voters should fire them in 2004.)

    Jim Miller (99a2be)

  109. Gaza invasion delayed so Biden can pay more ransom to terrorists. Israel goes along because otherwise the American taxpayer ATM stops dispensing.

    Yet another war bankrolled by future taxpayers not even born yet, and $100B can’t even buy straight up honesty. These wars will be going on for years and years and years, and $100B is just the promotional introductory rate, and our investment will underwrite the killing of good people. But, good luck finding anyone in this administration or their fan boys admitting it. And you’d have to be on fentanyl passed through Biden’s southern border (for which $10B for a wall is just way too much) to pretend the target is Israel, when it’s really us and we’re playing right into our enemy’s game plan. History is filled with evil doers who went unchecked, and it’s also filled with top dogs who allowed themselves to get stretched too thin.

    The squad and the radical left hates Israel and the US. Biden and his fans hate the US only, and for that he’ll always get good marks from the usuals.

    lloyd (7c49a3)

  110. lloyd (7c49a3) — 10/21/2023 @ 8:30 am

    Yes, good people are getting killed, but let’s put the blame where it belongs, the terrorist Russian state and the terrorist Hamas organization.
    Both Ukraine and Israel have every right to defend themselves from their enemies’ attacks, and we’re in the right for helping them defend themselves. This isn’t Iraq or Afghanistan.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  111. @114, is the alternative allowing Ukraine to be subsumed by Russia…with a fair number of good Ukrainians paying the ultimate price?

    We are not losing young men and women in combat. We are allowing Ukrainians to fight for their country and in the process hollowing out Russia’s war machine. For a military budget north of $700B, that seems like a pretty good return on investment. Putin’s Russia is evil. It’s a cancer that needs to be aggressively opposed….with the hope that the Russian people can get something better.

    Population normalized, on October 7th, Israel faced a senseless slaughter that was 13x that of our 9/11. Babies butchered, people lit on fire, women raped, and hostages terrorized. Is there not a right side to choose here as well? Describing previous Gaza as an open-air prison insults the normal Palestinians who were going to school, working businesses, raising families, and peacefully coexisting. But a terrorist organization was in charge and now needs to be rooted out. It’s an immense job that the Israelis are taking on. I’m still struggling to understand why we wouldn’t help them.

    We certainly need to pressure the Arab world to be constructive. It’s unclear to me that Trump has the intelligence, discipline, or character to be relevant to a solution. The GOP needs to choose better…or else Biden will win again. We don’t need to get involved in every world dispute but morally I think Ukraine and Gaza should be easy calls.

    AJ_Liberty (3f500a)

  112. Meir Kahane is looking down, shaking his head, and reminding Israeli leaders that they should have listened to him decades ago. There is no peace to be had, and since Israel is worse than North Korea in the minds of many worldwide, the Israelis might as well do in Gaza what Kahane suggested as they will be condemned no matter what they do.

    Ex Pat (5b7af8)

  113. “No justice for Palestine, no peace for the world” dates back to Black September (1970) when Jordan expelled the PLO. They were not going to make war only against Israel but against everyone, everywhere. Dramatically at the Munich Olympics in 1972.

    So, yes, good people are being killed. By the Palestinians. Wherever they can be reached and are a soft enough target. Including Gaza, where if they are not adequate human shields, they can still be used for propaganda.

    nk (d21096)

  114. Rip
    That is what happens when Great Grandpa shows up and showers the kids with $100B in gifts

    steveg (f167f4) — 10/20/2023 @ 10:07 pm

    Do you object to Biden’s political and military support of Israel after 10/7?

    Rip Murdock (b72d38)

  115. Just for comparison, Joe Biden is worth $10 million (according to Forbes), and around three-quarters of that wealth was acquired after he left public office, and Trump is worth $2.6 billion (also according to Forbes), which is over 260 times more than Biden, yet Biden paid $4.1 million more in taxes than Trump in the years 2015-2020.

    One could say that Trump has better CPAs than Biden, and that’d probably be true, but it seems like a member of the “Biden crime family” would do a better job at minimizing his tax liability.

    BTW, until there’s some real evidence, I still maintain that “Biden crime family” is a right-wing trope to deflect from Trump (the Real Criminal) and his most corrupt presidency in American history.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  116. Does this mean that I support Biden? No, I’m just as much NeverBiden as NeverTrump, and I’m hoping there’s a path for Ms. Haley after Trump’s criminality is adjudicated in courts of law.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  117. Tom Emmer’s speaker bid In trouble even before it begins:

    Former President Donald Trump privately conveyed to allies on Friday he does not back House Majority Whip Tom Emmer’s bid for speaker, throwing another wrench into an already chaotic process to find the next person to hold the gavel.
    ………….
    The former president’s top allies are already working to thwart Emmer’s candidacy. Trump supporters have begun passing around opposition research on the congressmember……….

    “If somebody is so out of step with where the Republican electorate is, where the MAGA movement is, how can they even be in the conversation?” (Trump adviser Boris Epshteyn said on Steve Bannon’s “War Room” podcast.) “We need a MAGA speaker. That’s what it comes down to. Because if you look at the numbers, if you look at the energy, if you look at the heat, this is the Trump party, this is the MAGA party. It is no longer the old-school khaki establishment Republican Party.”
    …………..
    ………….. Trump made clear he was concerned by the prospect of Emmer in the speaker’s chair, telling people he believed the Minnesota Republican was not a fan, according to two people familiar with those private talks. Trump has complained, they say, that Emmer has not forcefully defended him against the indictments he is facing. He has also pointed to Emmer’s criticism of him following the Trump-inspired Jan. 6 Capitol riot……….
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  118. steveg (f167f4) — 10/20/2023 @ 10:07 pm

    Israelis support for Biden also reflects the lack of empathy from Netanyahu as well as lack of assuming responsibility for the security failures.

    Biden’s popularity has soared in Israel, with the president’s staunch support for the country’s response to Hamas’s Oct. 7 attack earning him widespread praise. That stands in contrast to the bitter criticism directed at Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu for the failure both to prevent the assault and to comfort Israelis shaken by the massacre.
    ……….
    Israelis were first captivated by Biden in a speech he gave from the White House on Oct. 10, said Aviv Bushinsky, a political analyst and former chief of staff and media adviser to Netanyahu.

    Until that point, Netanyahu hadn’t managed to connect with civilians in an emotional way, said Bushinsky. Then, Biden gave what Bushinsky called “the most memorable speech ever delivered by a foreign leader.”
    ………….
    Netanyahu has neither met with the Israeli public in an open forum since the war began, nor taken questions from the press. His ministers have been greeted by shouts and catcalls at public appearances at hospitals where injured Israelis are being treated.
    ………….
    Netanyahu’s personal ratings have fallen sharply. In a poll released on Oct. 13 by Israeli newspaper Maariv, two-thirds of respondents said they would like someone other than Netanyahu to be prime minister, while 21% wanted him to continue.

    By contrast, on Wednesday, when Biden arrived in Israel, he was greeted with large billboards alongside the highway in Tel Aviv with his image, the American flag and the words, “Thank you Mr. President.” During the visit, Biden met with around a dozen people who had been affected by Hamas’s assault.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  119. Link for post 123.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  120. Tom Emmer’s speaker bid In trouble even before it begins

    So, with Republicans alone, no one will vote for a Trumpbot, and Trumpbots will not vote for someone who is not. Time to form the coalition of the willing. The Congressional GOP is dead. Accept that and move on.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  121. BTW, my take on the hostage releases: It’s propaganda using people as pawns. Those who want to distract from the Hamas savagery, or that want to undermine Western resolve, are going to try to focus everyone on some extended “hostage-release process” with murderous kidnappers and rapists.

    Don’t be fooled. It’s a cruel stalling game and aimed at torturing families further.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  122. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 11:19 am

    Should the West reject any hostage releases?

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  123. The Congressional GOP is dead. Accept that and move on.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 11:10 am

    Declaring the Congressional GOP “dead” still doesn’t resolve selecting a Speaker, unless they are willing to concede the Speakership to the Democrats.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  124. Rip

    I’m going to wait and see how Biden does in the long game.
    Predicting there will be at least 1-3 more large scale war crime, genocide claims that come out of Gaza in the near future if Israel invades.
    We will see how resolute Biden and his handlers are then.

    If Biden was coming through my town with $100B, I’d put up a billboard too, and my town doesn’t have any billboards. The sign ordinance here is 4 feet high max, but I’d gladly build an illegal billboard, slab a 2000 era photo of Joe on it (for the flattery) and probably get more jail time for the illegal sign than criminals in LA get for a smash and grab because priorities

    steveg (b621d6)

  125. Predicting there will be at least 1-3 more large scale war crime, genocide claims that come out of Gaza in the near future if Israel invades.

    “War crimes” are an illusion because there is no enforcement mechanism (the post war tribunals in Tokyo and Nuremberg are the exceptions). Both sides (in any conflict) commit atrocities that go unpunished. They are a fact of life in wartime.

    The left is already screaming about Israeli “war crimes”, but they have been doing that since 1948.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  126. And Israel (like the US) doesn’t recognize the jurisdiction of the International Criminal Court.

    Call a cop if Israel commits a war crime.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  127. Appeals court upholds broad use of obstruction law that prosecutors have deployed against Trump
    …………
    A divided panel of the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, in a long-awaited opinion, ruled that there are numerous ways for the government to prove that Jan. 6 defendants acted “corruptly” when seeking to obstruct Congress’ proceedings. ……….

    The judges ruled, 2-1, that efforts by some Jan. 6 defendants to sharply limit the conduct covered by the federal obstruction law were misguided. ……….

    Prosecutors have routinely used the statute as the leading charge for those who breached the Capitol intending to disrupt Congress’ session to certify the 2020 election results. Defendants who have challenged the law say they were not acting “corruptly” because they believed Trump genuinely won the election and therefore didn’t intend a “corrupt” outcome.
    …………..
    The majority opinion Friday was written by D.C. Circuit Judge Florence Pan, who was appointed by President Joe Biden, and joined by Judge Cornelia Pillard, an appointee of President Barack Obama. ………

    But precisely what conduct does meet that standard is fairly broad, the judges ruled. For example, the ruling Friday concludes that defendants who committed other felonies on Jan. 6 can be convicted of the obstruction of Congress charge — and subject to its 20-year maximum sentence — without prosecutors proving that they knew specifics about that day’s congressional proceedings.
    …………..
    The majority opinion Friday also held that interfering with or impeding the electoral-vote certification on Jan. 6 in a bid to get Trump declared the victor of the 2020 election would be enough to sustain a conviction for obstruction of Congress.
    ………….
    In dissent, (Judge Karen LeCraft Henderson, an appointee of President George H.W. Bush) said a conviction under the obstruction statute should be allowed only when a defendant is seeking to obtain a “financial” or “professional” benefit or to improperly escape justice either for himself or another person.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  128. unless they are willing to concede the Speakership to the Democrats.

    They already have. The extremist wing of the GOP refuses to accept the party consensus, so to get a speaker they will need Democrat votes. The HFC has chosen to be its own party and there is no majority.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  129. Should the West reject any hostage releases?

    They should not stand around, hat in hand, in hopes that the killers will dribble out hostages over the next 6 months.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  130. The majority opinion Friday was written by D.C. Circuit Judge Florence Pan, who was appointed by President Joe Biden, and joined by Judge Cornelia Pillard, an appointee of President Barack Obama

    And there we have it. The Supremes will take the case.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  131. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:04 pm

    When I said the House Republicans “are willing to concede the speakership to the Democrats” I meant that Hakeem Jefferies would be elected Speaker. I think the prospect of that should force the Republicans to come up with a compromise candidate.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  132. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:06 pm

    What interpretation of the obstruction statute do you favor?

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  133. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:05 pm

    You didn’t answer my question.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  134. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:05 pm

    You didn’t answer my question.

    Rip Murdock (23618e) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:22 pm

    I would say yes, the West should refuse any additional hostage releases from Hamas.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  135. You didn’t answer my question.

    Well, I did, just not a yes/no. They should accept any such release, but it should not alter what they have to do, nor should they wait around for the next release. Hamas’ game here is to divide public opinion, left-brain vs right-brain.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  136. What interpretation of the obstruction statute do you favor?

    If the statute requires “corrupt” motives (intended, I think, to differentiate that from demonstrations), then there should be evidence that the individual was acting for some corrupt purpose. The DC Circuit seems to have whited out that “corrupt” word.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  137. Jewish leader samantha wolff found dead outside her detroit home. (DU)

    asset (ac31a7)

  138. The west should reject freed hostages. Really? I am sure the families of the hostages. the media, most americans and their politicians wont say Oh. OK! Think about the consequences of your suggestions Oh I forgot the rest of the world too!

    asset (ac31a7)

  139. They already have. The extremist wing of the GOP refuses to accept the party consensus, so to get a speaker they will need Democrat votes. The HFC has chosen to be its own party and there is no majority.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/21/2023 @ 2:04 pm

    Yes, the 20 Republicans that refused to support Jordan are extreme and harming the party.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  140. The mother and daughter who were released before were released to the Red Cross but it was not clear how or where they would get out of Gaza

    They might be out by now, since 20 trucks crossed the border from Egypt.

    If Hamas thinks it is postponing an attack, it’s best to let them continue to think so. The preparations are being revised. There are medical preparations being made.

    Sammy Finkelman (f6bb19)

  141. I thought the vote on the floor is by name, and the vote in the Republican conference is by secret ballot. Was there any exception in either case?

    Sammy Finkelman (f6bb19)

  142. @145 20 had the courage to stand up to the death threats. In secret ballot only 86 supported pedo “gym” jordan. Update. Jewish leader samantha wolff was srabbed to death in detroit similar to 6 year old palestinian boy stabbed to death in chicago. Your side is always threatening to kill AOC and the squad now the wolves are devouring each other! (darkness at noon.)

    asset (2ce084)

  143. @146 Sammy they are in Israel now, home soon. Just saw them on CBS news.

    asset (2ce084)

  144. Yes, the 20 Republicans that refused to support Jordan are extreme and harming the party.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/21/2023 @ 4:49 pm

    Apparently those 20 (25 in Jordan’s third election attempt) weren’t the only ones who didn’t want Jordan in the end, since lost his Conference’s confidence vote 86-122.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  145. asset (fe401c) — 10/20/2023 @ 3:33 pm

    Rashida Tliab asks for release of hostages.

    Did she specifically call for the release just of those two? If so, I’d say she had inside information.

    Hamas may have released them because 1) they were related or known to to media friends, and 2) They were female.

    Sammy Finkelman (f6bb19)

  146. Sammy Finkelman (f6bb19) — 10/21/2023 @ 6:08 pm

    Or a ransom was paid.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  147. Of course Hamas would coordinate their propaganda campaign with their friends in the West, including Rashida Tlaib. The friends in the West know better than Hamas does what strings to tug on. And by elevating their Rashida Tlaibs, they make them more influential and more useful.

    nk (a45df0)

  148. @151 Tliab called for release of all hostages and so did the rest of the squad.

    asset (2ce084)

  149. Ron DeSantis’s Polls Continue to Fall:

    The October Emerson College Polling national survey shows the Governor with 8% support, his lowest level in any national polling we’ve seen thus far.

    It shows a chief rival of his at the same threshold as well. Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, who has been jousting with DeSantis about a range of issues including abortion laws and Gaza refugees, is tied with the Florida Governor. ………..

    Trump continues to dominate the field of candidates, with 59% support in this survey.

    Other candidates in the field are below 5%, with 4% of respondents backing former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, 3% backing former Vice President Mike Pence, and 3% backing author and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy.
    ………..
    Responding to critical questions about his polling problems recently, DeSantis has shrugged concerns off, contending there is no national Primary and that what matters is polling in the early states.
    …………..

    Let’s look at the RCP averages for those early states:

    Iowa: Second place, -33 points behind Trump

    New Hampshire: Third place (behind Haley), -35 points behind

    South Carolina: Third place (behind Haley), -36 points behind

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  150. Rip Murdock (23618e) — 10/21/2023 @ 7:45 pm

    Current RCP Polling Averages-Republican Presidential Primary:

    National

    Trump 59
    DeSantis 19
    Haley 7
    Pence 4
    Ramaswamy 5
    Christie 3
    Scott 2

    New Hampshire

    Trump 45
    DeSantis 10
    Haley 14
    Pence 1
    Ramaswamy 7
    Christie 9
    Scott 4

    Iowa

    Trump 50
    DeSantis 17
    Haley 10
    Pence 4
    Ramaswamy 6
    Christie 2
    Scott 6

    South Carolina

    Trump 48
    DeSantis 11
    Haley 15
    Pence 3
    Ramaswamy 5
    Christie 5
    Scott 10

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  151. This is the day the Lord had made, let us rejoice and be glad. Today i would like to remember those past commenters of good will, who no longer grace us with their thoughtful comments, I shy from naming them for fear of leaving out the most deserving. But I would not wish to fail at my position as President and founder of a certain fan-club. So…

    Official MD in Philly fan-club fan-club song
    [sung to the tune of Big Rock Candy Mountain]

    In the great big MD fan-club
    Our clinics will make you grin
    ’cause you can walk right out again
    As soon as you are in!

    No rectal examinations
    No scalpels, saws, nor pricks

    You get to have your way
    where you sleep all day
    ’cause we hung that jerk
    who invented work

    In the great big MD fan-club!

    God bless you, MD, wherever you are.

    felipe (9bcc73)

  152. Qatar took credit:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Inn-Xl-bUEs

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  153. 154. asset (2ce084) — 10/21/2023 @ 7:38 pm

    @151 Tliab called for release of all hostages and so did the rest of the squad.

    Then what was the point of mentioning it? Did they call for a unilateral end to the rocket fire?

    And for Hezbollah to stop also?

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  154. LA Times article on George Gascón’s challengers. There are nine of them.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-10-22/los-angeles-district-attorney-2024-election-candidates-george-gascon

    Gascón’s positions have motivated one of the largest primary fields in the history of the office, with a mix of former federal prosecutors, county judges and deputy district attorneys taking a run at the self-described “godfather of progressive prosecutors” in 2024.

    District attorney’s elections have become more competitive across the nation in recent years as reform-minded progressives challenge more traditional prosecutors. Gascón’s 2020 tilt with Lacey saw millions raised in a nationally watched race that drew endorsements from presidential candidates.

    Gascón, who announced his own reelection campaign and claimed the endorsement of L.A.’s powerful Federation of Labor last week, still figures to be well-funded and has largely retained the support of the burgeoning L.A. progressive bloc that vaulted him into office in 2020.

    But in a sign of the divide in the race, Gascón declined to attend the first debate last week. Hosted by police unions that spent millions against the progressive candidate in 2020, contenders at the forum spent two hours making the case that Gascón is unfit for office and needs to be replaced.

    Our host is not among them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  155. Yes, the 20 Republicans that refused to support Jordan are extreme and harming the party.

    1. Eff McCarthy!!!

    2. Eff Scalise!!!

    3. If you don’t support the guy behind 1 & 2, you’re hurting the party!!

    Spare me.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  156. Apparently those 20 (25 in Jordan’s third election attempt) weren’t the only ones who didn’t want Jordan in the end, since lost his Conference’s confidence vote 86-122.

    Those 122 were probably relieved by the secret ballot, and were not happy about Jordan’s winged monkeys.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  157. Nice to see Liz Cheney with Jake Tapper this morning. Reading behind her words, it sounds like if Trump is nominated, then a conservative will run to divide the GOP vote. She is also actively campaigning for normal candidates to oppose MAGA-extreme candidates. We cannot have a sociopath in the White House. If the primary process will not work and the legal process is not timely enough, then everything should be done to isolate the MAGA vote.

    AJ_Liberty (6c2151)

  158. Reading behind her words, it sounds like if Trump is nominated, then a conservative will run to divide the GOP vote.

    I think people really overestimate the influence of third party or independent candidates. Ross Perot was a unique case, but it is unlikely that there is someone who has the same name recognition and can self finance their own campaign like him.

    Is there an example you have in mind?

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  159. About the Biden loans.

    I’ve obtained documents showing Joe Biden made two loans to his brother James — one in July 2017 for $40k & a second in January 2018 for $200k — that were paid back in full without interest within two months. The loans took place when Joe wasn’t in office or a candidate for one.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  160. “We cannot have a sociopath in the White House. If the primary process will not work and the legal process is not timely enough, then everything should be done to isolate the MAGA vote.”

    Gaetz tactics seem to be catching on. Pound your feet and pout, and hold the conservative agenda hostage. Then when the other tribe does it, shake your head in disgust. If we want to be honest, this didn’t start with Gaetz anyway. Trump has been NeverTrump’s McCarthy for eight years now, and Cheney your Jordan, though that’s hilariously unfair to Jordan who at least got close.

    Trump is one sociopath. Biden is a sociopath who runs an administration he’s filled with sociopaths, and will appoint sociopath judges as the cherry on top. But two wars, Bidenflation, anti-business regulatory jihad, paragliders running our law enforcement, turnstiles as border security, and prosecutions as a campaign strategy would rightly make sociopaths out of an entire citizenry.

    You can’t win, don’t even know how to win, so make the Republicans lose. Yes, that’s normal thinking. Keep hoping the ransom gets paid.

    lloyd (7c49a3)

  161. Reading behind her words, it sounds like if Trump is nominated, then a conservative will run to divide the GOP vote.

    I think people really overestimate the influence of third party or independent candidates. Ross Perot was a unique case, but it is unlikely that there is someone who has the same name recognition and can self finance their own campaign like him.

    Is there an example you have in mind?

    Rip Murdock (23618e) — 10/22/2023 @ 9:09 am

    And who has the charisma to gain the attention of the voters? I can’t think of anyone.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  162. “I think people really overestimate the influence of third party or independent candidates”

    I’m not saying that a 3rd party candidate will win. It would require a perfect storm. I’m saying get a candidate who will strip off 20% of the GOP vote (or more)….who will be unable to vote for Trump. Though I suspect that Trump’s federal cases will inevitably hit some delays, I think there are strong odds that Trump is convicted of something prior to election day. Polls this summer suggest that that will tank Trump’s electability and that many Republicans will be unable to vote for a convicted felon. Again, Perot is only moderately relevant since his situation did not involve a major candidate facing potentially multiple convictions. I’m skeptical that polling history has much relevant to say about a quite historic situation.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  163. @166, “You can’t win, don’t even know how to win, so make the Republicans lose.”

    The fact that you seem content with a candidate who will likely be a convicted felon….with multiple convictions before election day…I don’t think you should lecture anyone about knowing how to win. Polls right now have Haley decisively beating Biden. DeSantis has a narrow advantage. Yet, 50+% of the GOP want to go with the guy who is neck-and-neck who will crater once his trials begin. Every day from the start of that trial we will be reminded about how awful Trump and his team acted. There’s only so much damage control Sean Hannity and FNC can provide. If you want to beat Biden, could you pick a worse candidate?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  164. Is there an example you have in mind?

    Mitt Romney can self-finance and has great name recognition.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  165. A third party candidate who is NOT in the political middle has little chance. Now, what the “middle” is with Trump running is hard to say, of course, since his only policy is “what’s in it for me?!” BUt nearly every third party ever has been on the fringe (Green, Libertarian, Dixiecrat, etc). The only two broad-based candidacies in the two-party era have been the Bull Moose and Reform candidacies of 1912 and 1992. Wallace was a Dixiecrat.

    A centrist, or even center-right, alternative could have legs. If it has to be extablishment politicians, then a rerun of Romney-Ryan, or either one of them and Manchin as VP, could have a chance. If they got early momentum, they could eclipse one or both party candidates, depending on events.

    A Felon vs Senile election is not similar to previous elections.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  166. @166, “You can’t win, don’t even know how to win, so make the Republicans lose.”

    The one who doesn’t know how to win is the one pushing the false Republican felon and rapist ignoramus.

    Other Republicans can win, even with MAGA staying home. Although in the end I think they’ll punish a GOP that doesn’t nominate Trump by voting for Biden, and the Democrats will pander to them if they have to.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  167. BTW, I think it’s clear that Iran has a bomb.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  168. Other Republicans can win, even with MAGA staying home. Although in the end I think they’ll punish a GOP that doesn’t nominate Trump by voting for Biden, and the Democrats will pander to them if they have to.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 11:35 am

    I doubt Since MAGAWorld views the 2020 election as stolen byghe Democrats, they wouldn’t vote for the “Biden Crime Family” or any Democrat. Not voting at all will be their best option.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  169. Mitt Romney can self-finance and has great name recognition.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 11:12 am

    LOL! He would win far fewer votes than the last time around.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  170. I’m not saying that a 3rd party candidate will win. It would require a perfect storm. I’m saying get a candidate who will strip off 20% of the GOP vote (or more)….who will be unable to vote for Trump.

    If someone runs without intending to win, what is the incentive for a someone to vote for them? If someone doesn’t want to vote for Trump, they easily do so by just not voting for President at all.

    Romney, Ryan, and Manchin are so out of touch with the electorate (of both parties) they would probably only get enough votes in few states to throw the election to Trump. And Romney and Ryan have given no indication that they are interested in running again.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  171. @165

    About the Biden loans.

    I’ve obtained documents showing Joe Biden made two loans to his brother James — one in July 2017 for $40k & a second in January 2018 for $200k — that were paid back in full without interest within two months. The loans took place when Joe wasn’t in office or a candidate for one.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/22/2023 @ 9:10 am

    Did he release the documents?

    Because, I’m not taking Aaron Rupar’s word as he’s a known democrat hack.

    whembly (6df546)

  172. Trump, DeSantis, and Haley are essentially tied with Biden in general election. Haley leads Biden by less than 2%, but polling comparing the two head to head is rather thin.

    Rip Murdock (23618e)

  173. The Biden defenders are saying that these was a loan repayment.

    Cool, cool… is there documentation that substantiate that? Should be easy to prove it so…right?

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/20/2023 @ 12:35 pm

    It should be just as easy for Comer to release his “documentation” that the transaction was corrupt.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  174. Ouch!

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  175. Nice to see Liz Cheney with Jake Tapper this morning. Reading behind her words, it sounds like if Trump is nominated, then a conservative will run to divide the GOP vote. She is also actively campaigning for normal candidates to oppose MAGA-extreme candidates. We cannot have a sociopath in the White House. If the primary process will not work and the legal process is not timely enough, then everything should be done to isolate the MAGA vote.

    AJ_Liberty (6c2151) — 10/22/2023 @ 8:49 am

    Lizzie wouldn’t know a conservative if he smacked her in the face. She’s a DC stooge that got hoist upon her own petard.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  176. Was the world safer and less dangerous under Trump or Biden.

    That’s not a nuance question. No trying to make excuses. Answer it.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  177. Paul,

    how many far leftists do you follow that you always quote them, but you never have a quote from a conservative?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  178. The House Republican Merry-Go-Round:

    The House GOP’s enormous speaker field is officially set, with nine Republicans seeking to somehow unify their splintered party after almost three weeks without a leader.

    It’s the most crowded field since former Speaker Kevin McCarthy’s fall 19 days ago. …………

    But it’s far from clear any of the current aspirants will be able to get the 217 votes needed to officially claim the speaker’s gavel. ……….
    …………
    The full GOP conference will hear from all nine members on Monday night for a candidate forum. And all will be under intense pressure to present a pitch that can bring together an exasperated House GOP that is rife with division. …………
    ………….
    Republicans will then vote behind closed doors on Tuesday morning, where they are expected to slowly whittle down the nine candidates through multiple rounds of voting to two final choices. Whoever ultimately wins a majority in that final round will become the conference’s third speaker-designee since McCarthy was ousted earlier this month.
    …………….
    Republicans haven’t yet said how quickly they will go to the floor for a vote. Some are pushing to wait until whoever their next nominee is has secured 217 votes to avoid another messy public fight. But not all of the candidates have endorsed a pledge to back the eventual speaker designee, leaving open the possibility that a minority of House Republicans could block whoever emerges on Tuesday.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  179. !179 It should be just as easy for Comer to release his “documentation” that the transaction was corrupt.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb) — 10/22/2023 @ 2:01 pm

    That’s why he’s conducting this investigation.

    whembly (6df546)

  180. Rep. McCarthy didn’t deny that he is willing to serve as Speaker again. The problem is that the House Republicans had the opportunity to vote for McCarthy during the last three speaker votes, and he only received a handful of votes.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  181. That’s why he’s conducting this investigation.

    whembly (6df546) — 10/22/2023 @ 2:41 pm

    In other words, the response to Comer’s announcement should be “so what?”

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  182. That’s why he’s conducting this investigation.

    whembly (6df546) — 10/22/2023 @ 2:41 pm

    It’s a bad sign when Reps. Matt Gaetz and Matt Rosendale think Comer’s impeachment investigation is “not legitimate” and a “smokescreen.”

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  183. Gaetz is one of the worst of the people who glommed onto the populist wave. He comes off like a spoiled, rich frat boy (which he may be, I don’t care to look) but he is smart enough for Washington DC because he was smart enough to see what was happening in 2016 and burrow in.

    steveg (2a2f07)

  184. how many far leftists do you follow that you always quote them, but you never have a quote from a conservative?

    I don’t follow Rupar, Rob, and I don’t accept your feelings as to what a leftist is.
    When a professional journalist says he has obtained documents, I’m inclined to believe him.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  185. For example, your idjit remark about Liz Cheney, who voted with Trump 93% of the time.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  186. And I’ll also note your lie that I “never have a quote from a conservative”. I quoted a conservative in this very thread.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  187. Was the world safer and less dangerous under Trump or Biden.

    The world was never under Trump. Neither is it under Biden now. But I would say that Biden is paying more attention to the dangers it poses. Trump only wanted his ego stroked.

    nk (2ae384)

  188. I doubt Since MAGAWorld views the 2020 election as stolen byghe Democrats, they wouldn’t vote for the “Biden Crime Family” or any Democrat. Not voting at all will be their best option.

    If Trump says to do it they will.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  189. Lizzie wouldn’t know a conservative if he smacked her in the face.

    Rob, just because you confuse fascists with conservatives doesn’t mean everyone does.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  190. It should be just as easy for Comer to release his “documentation” that the transaction was corrupt.

    It is easier for Biden to show that it wasn’t than it is for anyone else to track it all down.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  191. Was the world safer and less dangerous under Trump or Biden.

    Biden’s problem is that Trump’s allies are on the other side.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  192. he was smart enough to see what was happening in 2016 and burrow in.

    Like a tick.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  193. Worst case scenarios:

    1. Iran has the bomb.

    2. Israel is attacked by missiles from Hezbollah and Iran, killing 10s of thousands in Tel Aviv.

    3. Russia goes for the Baltic states.

    4. China invades Taiwan.

    5. All of the above.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  194. All this global stuff did not kick off during the tenure of America’s craziest President. It kicked off during the tenure of its most befuddled President (befuddlement punctuated by drug induced scintillas of clarity).
    Russian adventurism in Ukraine has been managed by Biden (and his ventriloquists) with titration rather than toward a decisive Ukrainian victory. Israel is being managed similarly. Granted, Hamas was smart (or lucky, I say smart) to take multinational hostages which moves the Bidenites towards prioritizing hostage rescue which buys Hamas time and draws the conflict out towards no result.
    Bidenites are playing for a tie after initial losses which simply establishes a new status quo.
    Russia looks like it will be able to keep Crimea plus Donetsk and Luhansk (and a bit of buffer here and there)
    Hamas looks like it will be able to stave off a full scale invasion as long as it holds hostages, which it will do until the Bidenites fold.
    Iran, China and Russa… even the hermit kingdom NK emerge as the winners

    What good is an ally who won’t let you beat your adversary decisively

    steveg (2a2f07)

  195. Democrats always go for “proportional responses” and incremental engagement. It’s how they fought Vietnam, and also how you cook a frog. Republicans go for “overwhelming force” and “shock and awe.” Neither is really good at the “after” since they give that to the State Department and the State Department is no good at anything but talking forever.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  196. I suspect that there will be a nuclear explosion in the next year in Iran. I’m just hoping it’s a small bomb in Qom and not a huge one on Tehran. The “why” will have something to do with that, more, I think, than the “by whom.”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  197. Rip Murdock (37fadb) — 10/22/2023 @ 2:37 pm

    Of the nine Speaker candidates, seven objected to the certification of Arizona and/or Pennsylvania’s certified electoral results. The only two which didn’t were Tom Emmer and Austin Scott.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  198. Neither (Republicans or Democrats) is really good at the “after” since they give that to the State Department and the State Department is no good at anything but talking forever.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 5:38 pm

    The “after” of Operation Swords of Iron isn’t our problem-it’s the Israelis.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  199. It is easier for Biden to show that it wasn’t than it is for anyone else to track it all down.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 5:11 pm

    Comer made the allegation, he must have evidence to back it up. He wouldn’t have alleged the payment was corrupt without being able to prove it.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  200. I suspect that there will be a nuclear explosion in the next year in Iran. I’m just hoping it’s a small bomb in Qom and not a huge one on Tehran. ……..

    Why Qom but not Tehran? Why not both?

    I think the “why” and “by whom” is fairly obvious today-and it won’t be the US. It will be the country most threatened by Iran.

    Another baseless, vague, and speculative prediction.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  201. “Comer made the allegation, he must have evidence to back it up. He wouldn’t have alleged the payment was corrupt without being able to prove it.”

    As the pretext which launched the Mueller investigation showed, proof has nothing to do with it.

    Based on that precedent, a special counsel should be appointed. Anyone who opposes that at this point is a hypocrite.

    lloyd (53f5d2)

  202. lloyd (53f5d2) — 10/22/2023 @ 7:01 pm

    A special counsel’s investigation would be a great opportunity for the Biden Administration to delay Comer’s impeachment investigation; much as the Congressional investigation into Hunter Biden has been hamstrung by that special counsel prosecution.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  203. The normal metric is that the longer the delay, the more casualties when ground operations do finally start.
    We can say the hostages have more value, but have to remember the guys going in, who will take the casualties are aware of the metric.
    They are aware of the risk and willing to take some extra casualties but…
    Then there is the risk of units being rendered combat ineffective due to losses in excess of that metric

    If I was in Israel, sending young people into harms way, I would consider arguments that tell me that the Bidenites would be perfectly content to see hostages returned in exchange for much higher Israeli losses and a stalemate of an outcome.
    The Bidenites get to keep the Jewish voter base and donor base intact for Biden, and prevent any peeling off of (or sitting out the election) of the Arab, Palestinian, Academic special interest groups.
    Always consider their calculations about gaining, holding power in the next 2-4-6 year cycle. It is a predictable cycle, so why wouldn’t the Iranians, Chinese, Russians be able to exploit it?
    I’d still try to deliver a decisive outcome despite Uncle Sugar’s perfidy.

    steveg (2a2f07)

  204. US Military Buildup Continues Supporting Israel

    The U.S. military said it would send more missile defense systems to the Middle East in response to “escalations” from Iran and its allies, who have threatened a broader war in the region. The deployment comes as Israel continues to signal intentions to invade Gaza after Hamas’s deadly incursion earlier this month.

    The United States is sending a Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) missile battery and additional Patriot battalions, two of its most powerful weapons against missiles, to the region, Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III said in a statement on Saturday. He did not specify where or how many battalions would be deployed, nor did he say how many troops would be told to “prepare to deploy.” The U.S.S. Dwight D. Eisenhower aircraft carrier will now be “redirected” to the Central Command’s area of responsibility, the statement said, a region that encompasses much of the Middle East, including Israel and Lebanon.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  205. steveg (2a2f07) — 10/22/2023 @ 7:25 pm

    Would you be okay if “Uncle Sugar”’ stopped providing military aid to Israel? The advantage is that Israel wouldn’t feel constrained by any American squeamishness.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  206. No, but lets admit restraints that come along with it (see Ukraine) may result in an indecisive conclusion

    steveg (2a2f07)

  207. Indecisive being totally on brand for Uncle Befuddled. Verbally project decisiveness but deliver inadequate means to win

    steveg (2a2f07)

  208. “If someone runs without intending to win, what is the incentive for a someone to vote for them?”

    And yet Libertarians and Green Party candidates still manage to get votes. It is a form of protest vote. A non-vote just gets lumped into the bin of lazy, uninformed, and/or serially nihilistic voter-eligibles. If someone like Liz Cheney or Larry Hogan puts forth a platform that is more conservative than Biden and more sane than Trump, it seems rational to express one’s political preference for normal and quasi-energetic. That vote is perceived as winnable back by the GOP; a non-vote conveys much more uncertainty.

    I would also argue that starting in March we will enter into the great unknown. No one knows how these trials will go for Trump though it does not look promising for him. Maybe people circle the waggon, but maybe they lose excitement and it becomes the bridge too far. People could literally have to vote for a felon…who tried to scam the system.

    Saying we know is like polling about the 9/11 attack before the 9/11 attack. Well, maybe not exactly but people don’t want to lose…and a death stench will start to build. Who wants to support a candidate wearing an ankle monitor!? Even if his detention might be more cushy, the impression won’t be.

    Biden looks older by the day. Yes, his recent speeches were effective. Someone wrote them well. But could you imagine him stroking out before election day? I imagine a lot of people can. It’s dead man running…or maybe shuffling is more apt. No one hesitant about Democrat rule will be soothed by Kamala Harris taking the reins. If there was ever a shot for an alternative…it might be 2024.

    AJ_Liberty (5686f3)

  209. The “after” of Operation Swords of Iron isn’t our problem-it’s the Israelis.

    Wishcasting. When have we not butted in?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  210. Of the nine Speaker candidates, seven objected to the certification of Arizona and/or Pennsylvania’s certified electoral results.

    Arizona seemed solid, but PA’s election was conducted contrary to the PA constitution. I might have protested that, too.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  211. Why Qom but not Tehran? Why not both?

    Because Qom is the mullahs and EVERYONE hates the mullahs.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  212. Another baseless, vague, and speculative prediction.

    The clue might ahve been “I suspect….”

    Why do you go all negative on everyone. Do you really think you are God’s gift to Reason? It’s tiresome.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  213. @164 Ralph nader and jill stein.

    asset (ee0076)

  214. @211 Israel who now depends on America’s largess would be far more constrained and at the rest of the worlds lack of interest.

    asset (ee0076)

  215. With now over 2,000 dead palestinian children to avenge the loss of 200 Israeli children is not enough will 20,000 dead palestinian children or 200,000 dead palestinian children be enough to satiate the blood lust?

    asset (ee0076)

  216. How did the world manage to survive before Trump?

    Which particular flea is sucking on a dog’s butt is of great consequence to the flea. It is of little consequence to the dog.

    Only Trump could have gotten Biden/Harris elected. Sure Biden is a befuddled dotard and a second-rater to begin with. But so is Trump, on amphetamines and steroids.

    Given a choice of befuddled dotard and maniacal old loon, I’ll take the one not endorsed by David Duke.

    nk (684ff1)

  217. https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/10/poll-majority-of-muslim-americans-say-hamas-attack-on-israel-justified/

    “Hamas was justified in attacking Israel as part of their struggle for a Palestinian state”

    All:
    Disagree: 75%
    Agree: 25%

    Muslim Americans:
    Agree: 58%
    Disagree: 42%

    Cygnal / Oct 18, 2023 / n=2020

    — Polling USA (@USA_Polling) October 22, 2023

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  218. Of the nine Speaker candidates, seven objected to the certification of Arizona and/or Pennsylvania’s certified electoral results. The only two which didn’t were Tom Emmer and Austin Scott.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb) — 10/22/2023 @ 6:16 pm

    Considering Pennsylvania’s own Court said that the way Pennsylvania conducted the election was illegal, I don’t see what your issue is.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  219. https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/interview-with-german-chancellor-olaf-scholz-we-have-to-deport-people-more-often-and-faster-a-790a033c-a658-4be5-8611-285086d39d38

    DER SPIEGEL: Among those in Germany who harbor hatred for Israel are many people with Arab roots. Did German policymakers ignore for too long the deep hatred entrenched in some groups?

    Scholz: I don’t agree that anyone has ignored that issue. We have been keeping a close eye on it for quite some time.

    DER SPIEGEL: Apparently not close enough. Should Germany be paying more attention to who is coming into the country and who is allowed to stay?

    Scholz: We have been doing that for a long time. But we will now be differentiating even more precisely. On the one hand, there is the immigration of workers that we need. And there are those who are seeking asylum because they are the targets of political oppression. On the other hand, though, that means that all those who don’t belong to one of those groups cannot stay. That is why we are limiting irregular migration to Germany. Too many people are coming. . . And I haven’t even mentioned one important one yet: We must finally deport on a large scale those who have no right to stay in Germany.

    Even Germany is starting to wake up to the danger of immigration from those with a culture different than your own.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  220. The Trump of Argentina did below expectation but it also be where the old right hasn’t gotten its promises in writing just yet and the Peronist ends up like Mary Landrieu 2014.

    But the Swiss will be the Swiss, just like Argentines will be Argentines.

    urbanleftbehind (37a378)

  221. As the pretext which launched the Mueller investigation showed, proof has nothing to do with it.

    The pretext was Papadopolous and the hacked DNC emails, both of which were evidence of Russian meddling in an American election, and it was properly predicated according to the Inspector General who investigated the investigators.

    Comer has to use “Biden crime family” in a dishonest attempt to corral Joe with the sketchy activities of his nephew and brother but, to date, there’s no actual evidence of criminal activity by Joe. It’s an act of political deflection away from Trump’s long litany of lies, corruption and crimes.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  222. With now over 2,000 dead palestinian children…

    How do you know that? Actually, you don’t know that because the people giving you that number are the same terrorists who claimed 500 were killed at Al Ahli Hospital by an Israeli missile.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  223. Hey Rip and NJRob,

    The folks who objected to Pennsylvania also objected to Meuser. The one exception was a Pennsylvania congressman who only objected to Pa.

    Appalled (bdf02c)

  224. The folks who objected to Pennsylvania also objected to Meuser.

    Not sure what you mean by this, Meuser is the Pennsylvania congressman who objected to the Pennsylvania electoral certification.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  225. Considering Pennsylvania’s own Court said that the way Pennsylvania conducted the election was illegal, I don’t see what your issue is.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/23/2023 @ 5:22 am

    Untrue.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  226. Rip,

    your link has nothing to do with what I said. Troll harder.

    NJRob (9900e0)

  227. NJRob (9900e0) — 10/23/2023 @ 8:56 am

    Your claim is unsourced. Try harder.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  228. “Hamas was justified in attacking Israel as part of their struggle for a Palestinian state”

    It’s all in how you ask the question. “Attack” is a pretty mild description. IF they had asked

    “Hamas was justified in murdering a thousand Israeli civilians in their homes, raping girls and killing babies, as part of their struggle for a Palestinian state”

    they might have got a different result.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  229. The Trump of Argentina did below expectation but it also be where the old right hasn’t gotten its promises in writing just yet and the Peronist ends up like Mary Landrieu 2014.

    Being beat by the Economy Minister must hurt as that is a badge of total incompetence, if not abject idiocy.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  230. Untrue.

    Non-sequitur. The claim was that in 2020, PA conducted an election where absentee ballots were sent to everyone, while the PA constitution specifically limits absentee ballots to the disable or actually-absent. And it was an Appeals court that ruled.

    And an AP fact check (about something else)? Really?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  231. Your claim is unsourced. Try harder.

    Nah, it’s been sourced ad infinitum. Sorry you have such a poor memory. You referenced the AP (as Truth!!!) fact-checking something else entirely.

    What is true is that the PA Supreme Court allowed a law to stand that, on its face, was contrary to the state Constitution. An Appellate Court had ruled a year back that the Constitutional language was clear, and that the law was invalid, but the current D-packed Supreme Court ruled (5-2) that they didn’t give a crap. Because!

    Does not mean that the election was valid, only that they felt it necessary to say it was, as it provided significant advantage to their Party.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  232. Kevin, what you’re saying in #237 is very different than what Rob said. If the PA court allowed the law to stand that is the opposite of “Considering Pennsylvania’s own Court said that the way Pennsylvania conducted the election was illegal.

    Laws concerning elections are challenged all the time, sometimes successfully. That does not invalidate elections that occurred before those decisions; these rulings carry weight for how elections are conducted in the future.

    Nate (f52876)

  233. Rip Murdock (23618e) — 10/21/2023 @ 11:39 am

    Declaring the Congressional GOP “dead” still doesn’t resolve selecting a Speaker, unless they are willing to concede the Speakership to the Democrats.

    The logical outcome is Democrats selecting a Republican speaker with no, or very minimal, change in committee assignments, except possibly on the Rules Committee, and/or some change in the rules allowing say, some Democrats to put things to a vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  234. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 10:27 pm

    Because Qom is the mullahs and EVERYONE hates the mullahs.

    You need the people who are actually running things, which is not all the mullahs.

    If things reach that eventuality, Israel is likely to attempt to decapitate the Iranian regime with a number of conventional bombs, which, at a minimum, will chase Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei into a bunker. He won’t be able to show his face, any more that Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi did after his one appearance at a mosque in Mosul.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12657495/Israel-attack-against-Iran-Hezbollah-joins-war-Hamas.html

    In an exclusive interview with The Mail on Sunday, Nir Barkat, Israel’s Minister of Economy, [?? – is he on the Security cabinet?] warned that Iran’s Ayatollahs will be ‘wiped off the face of the earth’ should Hezbollah, their proxy terror group in Lebanon, attack Israel…

    …..In a direct threat to deter Tehran from intervening further, Mr Barkat warned that not only would Israel ‘eliminate Hezbollah’, if it believes the terror group is opening up a ‘northern front’, but ‘we will actually target Iran.’

    ‘The plan of Iran is to attack Israel on all fronts. If we find they intend to target Israel, we will not just retaliate to those fronts, but we will go to the head of the snake, which is Iran.

    If our enemies attack, we will wipe them out
    ‘The Ayatollahs in Iran are not going to sleep good at night, we are going to make sure they pay a heavy price if, God forbid, they open the northern front.

    ‘Lebanon and Hezbollah are going to pay a heavy price, similar to what Hamas is going to pay. But that’s not enough.

    ‘The very clear message is that we are going to be going after the heads of Iran as well. When will we do that? When we decide.

    ‘Israel has a very clear message to our enemies. We are saying to them, look what’s happening in Gaza – you are going to get the same treatment if you attack us. We are going to wipe you off the face of the Earth.’

    Sammy Finkelman (7a85f9)

  235. The only problem with that is that the head of the snake is probably at Latitude 40 degrees North and Longitude 116 degrees and 20 minutes East approximately.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)


  236. Kevin, what you’re saying in #237 is very different than what Rob said. If the PA court allowed the law to stand that is the opposite of “Considering Pennsylvania’s own Court said that the way Pennsylvania conducted the election was illegal.

    No, a PA court did say what Rob claimed, as I pointed out. They had pointed to some VERY clear language in the state constitution, allowing mailed ballots only for certain reasons. The PA Legislature has ignored those provisions in their law, and the Appellate Court had called them on it.

    A lower appellate court earlier this year ruled in favor of the GOP officials, saying that permitting no-excuse mail voting through a statutory change violated the state constitution and court precedent dating back to the 1920s

    But the PA Supreme Court decided to ignore the Constitution as well, since the law as passed favored the Democrat Party, to which five of them (“All five of the justices who upheld Act 77 were elected as Democrats.”) owed more fealty that to some musty constitution.

    One dissent:

    Succinctly stated, the majority overrules 160 years of this Court’s precedent to
    save a law that is not yet 3 years old. It does so not to right some egregiously wrong
    decision or to vindicate a fundamental constitutional right. This is not, as Justice Mundy
    observes, a Brown v. Board of Education1 moment. Honoring our precedent and striking
    Act 77 as unconstitutional would not extinguish the right of people to vote in this
    Commonwealth; rather, it would merely return us to where we were before the 2020
    primary election.

    Since this Court decided Chase and reaffirmed Chase’s holding in City of
    Lancaster, it has never been seriously debated that the phrase “offer to vote,” as it has
    appeared in our Pennsylvania Constitution since 1838, embraces the historical
    preference in our Commonwealth for in-person voting at a polling place, whether “by ballot
    or by such other method as may be prescribed by law.” The phrase “offer to vote” as
    interpreted by Chase survived two constitutional conventions (1873 and 1968).
    Moreover, our current Pennsylvania Constitution—“the 1968 Constitution”—has been
    amended on several occasions. Yet, the phrase “offer to vote” remains. Under
    time-honored principles of statutory construction, this means that the delegates to our
    constitutional conventions and our citizens have accepted that precedent.

    The Supreme Court’s Democrat majority not only erased long-standing words in the State Constitution, but eliminated 160 years of case law, so as to retroactively support the legislature’s gross overreach in 2020 that continues to redound to be benefit of the Democrat machine..

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  237. steveg (2a2f07) — 10/22/2023 @ 7:25 pm

    ++The normal metric is that the longer the delay, the more casualties when ground operations do finally start.

    Where’d you get that? The exact opposite is true. The United States now always precedes aground assault with bombing. It did that in Iraq in 1991, in Afghanistan in 2001, and in Iraq again in 2003. Hamas can;t re-arm and they’ve already made all their preparatons – they expected an invasion. Israel needs to take Hamas “out of the book” and come up with some totally new war plans which they can’t possibly have stolen and/or made counterplans against. And then there’s the matter of deterring Hezbollah and Iran. Israel is preventing resupply by bombing airports, There’s the idea of a pre-emptive strike, but that could only reduce the number of missiles slightly.

    Iran’s going to want to sink a U.S. aircraft carrier.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  238. R.I.P. Dusty Street, DJ, 77.

    https://thiswastv.com/dusty-street-wikipedia/

    I knew Dusty in the late 80s and early 90s. She was a classy lady, one of a kind. Those who know my backstory might be able to guess the context.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  239. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:03 pm

    Your link goes to 404-File Not Found

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  240. Iran’s going to want to sink a U.S. aircraft carrier.

    A fool move.

    Israel is preventing resupply by bombing airports

    They are also concerned about warheads containing Sarin, something that Iran would not provide until time for use.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  241. There’s the idea of a pre-emptive strike, but that could only reduce the number of missiles slightly.

    What do you suppose Israel’s reaction would be to 130,000 missiles raining down on Tel Aviv? They’d want to stop that quick, and wholesale.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  242. Your link goes to 404-File Not Found

    Try it with the “.pdf” that my browser helpfully omitted from the link.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  243. There are some additional United States citizens (of Palestinian origin) being held hostage (although not prisoner) by Hamas in Gaza, but the Administration is being very calm about this and hoping this will go away. And they may succeed.

    They are also in danger in Beirut.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antony-blinken-secretary-of-state-face-the-nation-transcript-2023-10-22

    ECRETARY BLINKEN: We have- you’re exactly right. We have several hundred Americans and other nationalities, other civilians from- from other countries who want to leave Gaza. We’ve had people come to Rafah, the crossing with Egypt. And to date, at least, Hamas has blocked them from leaving, showing once again, its total disregard for civilians of any kind who are- who are stuck in Gaza. This is something that we’re working, again, virtually every single day. We have in the- right now in the region on the ground, one of our most experienced diplomats, David Satterfield, working with the different governments concerned with- with Israel, with Egypt, to make sure that we’re ready to be able to get people out, assuming Hamas lets them move. So really, the ball is in Hamas’ court, in terms of letting people who want to leave, civilians from third countries including Americans get out of Gaza.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Just to be clear, you’re saying Hamas is preventing Americans from leaving Gaza?

    SECRETARY BLINKEN: That’s correct.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: And there are no US personnel who are able to help on the ground?

    SECRETARY BLINKEN: We have U.S. personnel on the other side of the border in Egypt, consular personnel who can immediately help and assist those Americans who want to leave. We’re working this very, very actively every day, including with partners who may have influenced connections with Hamas that we don’t have, to make sure that people can get out. So we’re tracking this. We want to make sure it happens.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  244. Full link

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  245. Nah, it’s been sourced ad infinitum. Sorry you have such a poor memory. You referenced the AP (as Truth!!!) fact-checking something else entirely.

    I’m sorry I don’t keep track of Pennsylvania Supreme Court decisions from three years ago. Even then there were more than one involving the election.

    Since NJR (and yourself) were unable (or unwilling) to provide the name of the case, I may have picked the wrong one to which he referred.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  246. The US is pressuring Israel to delay the invasion, so that hostage negotiation can proceed. Then, after the months that would be required, they’ll say “What difference, at this point, does it make?”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  247. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:15 pm

    What do you suppose Israel’s reaction would be to 130,000 missiles raining down on Tel Aviv? They’d want to stop that quick, and wholesale.

    The problem is,a pre-emptive strike, as some want, would not do too much to limit it and might precipitate it.

    Now the thing is, Hezbollah/Iran has no tanks and can’t occupy much territory, although they can be expected to kill (have to be assumed to want to) any civilians they encounter, so Israel has evacuated its northernmost towns. Hezbollah can only bomb. There’s Iron dome etc, which Biden has promised to add to.

    Israel’s trying to rely on deterrence for now, and has to try to strengthen the effect before doing too much in Gaza, and then the United States wants a little opportunity to get some of its people out.

    It’s a war of nerves.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  248. McLinko et. al. also waited too long to bring their challenges to the universal mail-in voting law:

    The (Pennsylvania State) Supreme Court exercised extraordinary jurisdiction over the matter, and found a “complete failure to act with due diligence in commencing [the] facial constitutional challenge, which was ascertainable upon Act 77’s enactment[,]” as the petitioners waited until the ballots from the General Election were in the process of being tallied, and the results were becoming apparent, to raise their claim. Thus, the Court found the claim barred by the doctrine of laches.

    Procrastination didn’t pay off.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  249. The point, Rip, was not that it was an obscure case, since it wasn’t. It was just one that folks who were concerned about the irregularities and partisan “emergency measures” in the 2020 election noticed, and those who wanted to pretend it was all on the up and up ignored.

    The real opposition to what happened in 2020 has very little to do with vote counting and a lot to do with the special voting rules. Even Putin counts the votes correctly, but the rules are what really matters.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  250. Rip,

    The remedy was not possible, but that does not mean that they had to accept the illegality going forward.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  251. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:03 pm

    I’m sure Republican State Supreme Courts have made rulings that benefit Republicans legislators. We have seen that with redistricting.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  252. Rip,

    The remedy was not possible, but that does not mean that they had to accept the illegality going forward.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:28 pm

    Sadly, Pennsylvania is not one of the states with a citizen initiative process.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  253. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:28 pm

    The solution is for the State Republican party to organize and win legislative elections to repeal the law. It’s doable, Republicans have a slight majority (+6) in the State Senate and the House is virtually tied (Democrats +1).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  254. Iran’s going to want to sink a U.S. aircraft carrier.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:09 pm

    They may want to, but it won’t happen, because if they did, Iran should be turned into glass.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  255. The point, Rip, was not that it was an obscure case, since it wasn’t. It was just one that folks who were concerned about the irregularities and partisan “emergency measures” in the 2020 election noticed, and those who wanted to pretend it was all on the up and up ignored.

    And whose decision was completely opposite of what NJRob said. He must have forgotten too.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  256. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 1:20 pm

    Then, after the months that would be required, they’ll say “What difference, at this point, does it make?

    That’s not the policy of the Biden Administration:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/antony-blinken-secretary-of-state-face-the-nation-transcript-2023-10-22

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Have you asked the Israeli government to delay in order to give you more time to broker the release of these hostages?

    SECRETARY ANTONY BLINKEN: First, step back for a second, because it’s important to remember what happened.

    It’s incredible how quickly that gets lost, because it was only a couple of weeks ago that Hamas invaded Israel with its terrorist fighters and slaughtered – and I use that – that word very deliberately – slaughtered so many people…

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Right.

    SECRETARY ANTONY BLINKEN: … again, men, women, young children, babies, old people, you name it.

    And they continue to rain rockets down on Israel. When I was there. a few days ago, we were in the bomb – we were – we had to take shelter a couple of times, because of incoming rockets from Hamas.

    MARGARET BRENNAN: Understood.

    SECRETARY ANTONY BLINKEN: So, my point is this.

    No country, no country can be expected to tolerate this, to live with this. And, as we said from the start, Israel has both the – the right and even the obligation not only to defend itself, but to try to make sure that, to the best of its ability, this can’t happen again.

    So, we talk to the Israelis about what they’re – what they’re planning. We give them our best advice. It’s important, as we said, not only what they do, but how they do it, particularly when it comes to making sure that civilians are as protected as they possibly can be in this crossfire of Hamas’ making.

    But in terms of what we’re talking to Israel about in their – with regard to their military operations, it really is focused on both how they do it, and how best to achieve the results that they seek.

    And also if you think, there can’t be another round, because surely another round would go nuclear.

    The problem is, Israel has no idea what to after victory, and indeed what would be a victory. That’s one reason why, I think, they are not demanding surrender. They just seem to want to free the hostages and get rid of Hamas and kill or capture or hunt down in other countries chase after all 2,500 or so people left alive who were involved in the mass murder of October 7.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  257. 262. The Department of Defense aims to prevent the sinking of an aircraft carrier. Iran may not have that capability.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  258. Miranda Devine writes about Sidney Powell – that she was not acting on Donald Trump’s instructions. I’d say she was acting on her own but probably somebody was paying her, or promising to pay her, or get her money.

    Miranda Devine says she was fired three times, and Donald Trump called Giuliani to tell him whether what she was saying made sense, and listened to Giuliani.

    You may find this comic, in a way, but it also has the ring of truth. And I’d sure like to find out who was behind Sidney Powell’s efforts.

    Here’s the key excerpt:

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/22/trump-and-giuliani-never-fell-for-sidney-powells-crazy-s-t-but-the-left-sure-did

    On Nov. 13, 2020, 10 days after the election, Powell teased her evidence: “I’m going to release the Kraken.”

    A week later, Giuliani was so fed up with her baseless theories that he issued a statement making clear that she did not represent the president. [You might remember this]

    Giuliani told the Jan. 6 committee: “I didn’t think she was a member of our team even before that, effectively, but from the date she officially was not a member of our team.”

    But somehow, Powell managed to inveigle her way into the White House on Dec. 18, 2020, signed in by a junior staffer.

    Giuliani recalled that he was eating dinner at a restaurant in Georgetown that Friday night while Trump was at the White House presiding over a stormy meeting at which Powell, Gen. Mike Flynn and businessman Patrick Byrne faced off against White House counsel Pat Cipollone and colleagues over various harebrained schemes to overturn the election.

    Trump called Giuliani and asked him to rush over and adjudicate. When Giuliani arrived, the warring parties were in separate rooms.

    “The Powell group wanted the president to sign a document,” he testified, “that would allow seizure of the machines …

    “And then they started really, really fighting, you know, yelling and screaming …

    “Sidney said that she had affidavits … that showed foreign involvement in the election that, therefore, would justify the use of the military.”

    But Giuliani told Trump that he had “a very bad experience with Sidney because she started out as part of our team and she would make allegations, then she wouldn’t give us the basis for it.

    “Then our team would have to go out and try to defend it as best we could. And then it would turn out to be exaggerated.”

    Giuliani told Powell: “I can’t operate like this. I can’t operate with you going off talking about Krakens and all sorts of crazy s–t.“

    He also told her not to go on television before briefing him. “I constantly had to call her. I had to tell her to stay off television. She wouldn’t do it. So it was a terrible experience.

    “And I told the president that every time I challenged her on something and I asked her for support, except one time, I never got it or the support turned out to be totally different than what she was talking about.”

    Once Giuliani arrived, Trump and his White House team went upstairs to the residence and Powell and pals went to the Roosevelt Room while Giuliani assessed her “evidence” alone in the Cabinet Room.

    He went through 12 affidavits Powell had produced to justify using the military to seize voting machines. It took Giuliani 45 minutes to realize they were a joke.

    “She basically had one source that she found a way of repeating 12 different times through other people … I told the president [there was] nothing like would justify using the military …

    “I told the president that he … couldn’t possibly sign these … And he said, ‘Well, if you tell me that, no, I don’t want to do it.’”

    Then they all went upstairs and had a drink “because the president wanted everyone to be peaceful.”

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    But “a big fight started,” Giuliani said, and Trump finally had enough.

    “The president called me over because I was the one closest to him, and he says, ‘Throw them out and I don’t want them back here again.’ ”

    According to Giuliani, Powell, Flynn and Byrne tried to come back “two or three times, but they had put notices at the White House entrances that they weren’t to be allowed in.”

    Sammy Finkelman (7a85f9)

  259. Newt Gingrich said yesterday they should lock all the Republican Congressmen in a room and not let them out except for bathroom breaks and a shower and not leave till somebody has 217 votes.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  260. https://www.wsj.com/articles/why-hamas-atrocities-lead-the-left-to-hate-israel-more-15abdc6

    Why Hamas Atrocities Lead the Left to Hate Israel More

    ‘Cognitive-dissonance reduction’ requires vilifying the victim to uphold one’s prejudices.

    ———

    You might think that an atrocity like Hamas’s Oct. 7 massacre in Israel would lead opponents of the Jewish state to temper their attacks. Instead, from college campuses to mainstream media outlets, elite left-wing circles have responded to the terror group’s barbarism by intensifying their denunciations of Israel. That may seem counterintuitive, but it’s typical. The worst demonization of the Jewish state has typically followed the worst atrocities against it.,,

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  261. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/22/2023 @ 5:16 pm

    1. Iran has the bomb.

    2. Israel is attacked by missiles from Hezbollah and Iran, killing 10s of thousands in Tel Aviv.

    3. Iran uses the bomb and either

    A. It gets retaliated against, massive riots in western countries and and Israel gets condemned and every country swears not to do anything like it.

    OR

    B. Nothing much happens.

    In either case, China later drops the bomb on Taiwan, nuclear deterrence having failed or proved to be a bluff..

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  262. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/22/2023 @ 3:52 pm

    I don’t follow Rupar, Rob, and I don’t accept your feelings as to what a leftist is.
    When a professional journalist says he has obtained documents, I’m inclined to believe him.

    This was clearly a leak from the Biden people, and it is probably accurate as far as it goes, but there must be something very embarrassing about the whole thing for this not to be openly released by Biden.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  263. Here we have what seems to be the closest thing to a beheaded bay. (not axed babies as the headline in the printed paper has it)

    https://nypost.com/2023/10/22/tomer-peretz-describes-horror-of-clearing-bodies-from-hamas-attack

    Among the victims’ bodies he personally recovered were burned babies, a woman who had been “shot in the face about 20 times”, innocent men and elderly people.

    “Everything was kind of blown, there was no face,” Peretz said of the woman who had been shot to death.

    “We picked up body parts like arms … My team picked up a burned baby with an ax in its head. My team leader put the baby inside a bag.”

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  264. Hamas had all sorts of half developed plots. They had a bomb hidden in a girl’s book bag to be triggered by radio – but there was no Hamas person nearby. They had instructions on a USB drive – for thing they didn’t have – there were instructions for a cyanide dispersion device – originally conceived by al Qaeda in 2003.

    This was accelerated. They threw all forms of murder or attacks into this.

    One thing they did was light fires to make people go out of their safe rooms.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  265. On bombardments: In WW II, we generally used very long bombardments against isolated Japanese-held islands — because they almost never could resupply them. (I think, in a few cases, they brought in supplies by submarine.)

    Before the Normandy invasion, we used a very short bombardment, because the Germans could resupply, and move reinforcements in.

    The Hamas terrorist situation is more like those isolated islands.

    Jim Miller (afc9a4)

  266. Since this is an open thread, I’ll pass along this little story, with thanks to Miss Manners, for what she has taught me over the years:

    I was waiting for my hamburger at a local Shake Shack, when I saw a large, middle-aged lady come in, and pick up two large sacks. Since it was crowded, and the door rather heavy, I opened the door for her. She smiled and called me a real “gentlemon” — from which you can probably guess more about the lady.

    (It still surprises me to see how pleased how many girls and women are by such ordinary acts of politeness. I think that’s especialy true of those who aren’t sure everyone thinks of them as “ladies”, because they are too young, or too poor.

    But, as with presents, it probably does more for me, than for them.)

    Jim Miller (afc9a4)

  267. Newt Gingrich said yesterday they should lock all the Republican Congressmen in a room and not let them out except for bathroom breaks and a shower and not leave till somebody has 217 votes.

    Why the shower? Also, I’d feed them only beans.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  268. evin, what you’re saying in #237 is very different than what Rob said. If the PA court allowed the law to stand that is the opposite of “Considering Pennsylvania’s own Court said that the way Pennsylvania conducted the election was illegal.

    Laws concerning elections are challenged all the time, sometimes successfully. That does not invalidate elections that occurred before those decisions; these rulings carry weight for how elections are conducted in the future.

    Nate (f52876) — 10/23/2023 @ 12:33 pm

    Only if you are trying to count the number of angels on the head of a pin. The Court overturned the illegal act of sending out ballots to everyone. They said it was never authorized and not permissible. I never stated that they said the election should be overturned.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  269. @275 why don’t you want ballots sent all registered voters not everyone. Too many democrats voting? The left (we hate the evil bottle deposit crook netanhayu not Israel at least I do.) Is demanding that when we get control of the house they pass a law making it a crime for any american citizen to be prevented from voting by 10 years in prison. You can pass all the voter restriction laws you want ;but if you stop a citizen from voting you go to jail for 10 years!

    asset (e20349)

  270. Many Israeli’s in politics and military like former prime minister ehud barak are calling for the bottle deposit crook netanyahu to resign for not taking seriously egypt and jordan’s warning of hamas attack. Also telling Israeli military and intelligence he was not sending troops protecting settlement building on the west bank to gaza as settlers were part of coalition that got him in power, tell them to say it was only a drill.

    asset (e20349)

  271. There is no Pennsylvania Supreme Court case that says it was an “illegal act of sending out ballots to everyone.” For example, in Kelly v. Pennsylvania:

    On November 22, 2020, U.S. Representative Mike Kelly and six other Republican representatives filed a suit in the Commonwealth Court of Pennsylvania that claims that the Pennsylvania General Assembly had no authority under the state constitution to enact no-excuse mail-in voting. They sued to stop the certification of electors until the issue could be resolved.
    ………
    The Pennsylvania Supreme Court ruled on November 28 to unanimously overturn the Commonwealth Court’s order to block the certification of election results in Pennsylvania. The Pennsylvania Supreme Court also dismissed with prejudice the requests of the Republicans to either invalidate all 2.5 million mail-in ballots in Pennsylvania, or to invalidate all 6.9 million ballots in the state and have the state’s Republican-controlled Legislature choose the presidential electors for the state…….The rationale for the decision was that the Republicans were challenging the law too late; they had been able to challenge the law since it came into force in October 2019, but only filed the lawsuit when the results of the November 2020 election were “becoming seemingly apparent”. Hence, the Republicans had failed to act with “due diligence” in their handling of the case.
    ……..
    On December 8, 2020, the Supreme Court rejected the request in a one-sentence, unsigned order……..

    In fact, all challenges to the Pennsylvania primary election were dismissed.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  272. House Speaker candidates and four key votes: Ukraine aid; debt ceiling; continuing resolution; and certifying the 2020 election.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  273. In fact, all challenges to the Pennsylvania primary election were dismissed.

    An appeals court in 2021 ruled that the election law was invalid. Article VII, Section 14 of the PA COnstitution reads:

    Absentee Voting (a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election, are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

    (b) For purposes of this section, “municipality” means a city, borough, incorporated town, township or any similar general purpose unit of government which may be created by the General Assembly.

    The list of reasons for an absentee vote has always been considered to be exhaustive. But suddenly it is not.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  274. Link to PA Appeals Court ruling (delivered Jan 2022) McLinko vs PA et al

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  275. Biden telling Israel to not defend itself while he “negotiates” is about as big a betrayal as can exist. Keep pretending the left is just politics as usual.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  276. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/23/2023 @ 5:07 pm

    We’ll see what happens in the Pennsylvania Supreme Court. While you may say the result will be entirely predictable, that is the problem of having judicial elections. The courts turn into partisan affairs which achieve partisan results. For example, when the NC Supreme Court recently went from a Democratic majority to a Republican one, the court flip flopped a gerrymander ruling that initially benefited voting rights advocates to a decision that benefited the GOP and prevents future challenges to redistricting.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  277. https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1716521196756541890

    Reporter: “Level of concern right now about potential rise of anti-Semitism in light of everything that’s going on in Israel.”

    Jean Pierre’s response: “So a couple of things. Um look. We have not seen uh any credible uh threats. I know there’s been always questions about uh credible threats. Uh. And so I just want to make sure that that’s out there. But look, Muslim and those perceived uh to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate uh number of hate fueled attacks and certainly President Biden understands that many of our Muslim Arab, Arab American’s and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their community.”

    You’ve got to be kidding me. She was asked about anti-Semitic attacks and she turns that into saying Muslims are the victims who deserve the government’s concern.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  278. https://twitter.com/charliekirk11/status/1716521196756541890

    Reporter: “Level of concern right now about potential rise of anti-Semitism in light of everything that’s going on in Israel.”

    Jean Pierre’s response: “So a couple of things. Um look. We have not seen uh any credible uh threats. I know there’s been always questions about uh credible threats. Uh. And so I just want to make sure that that’s out there. But look, Muslim and those perceived uh to be Muslim have endured a disproportionate uh number of hate fueled attacks and certainly President Biden understands that many of our Muslim Arab, Arab American’s and Palestinian American loved ones and neighbors are worried about the hate being directed at their community.”

    You’ve got to be kidding me. She was asked about anti-Semitic attacks and she turns that into saying Muslims are the victims who deserve the government’s concern.

    (fixed formatting)

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  279. NJRob (eb56c3) — 10/23/2023 @ 6:08 pm

    Unbelievable!

    felipe (9bcc73)

  280. https://freebeacon.com/media/associated-press-wont-let-reporters-call-hamas-a-terrorist-organization/

    The Associated Press instructs reporters and organizations that rely on its style guide to avoid referring to Hamas as a terrorist organization, a Washington Free Beacon review of the organization’s standards found.

    The news outlet states in its “Israel-Hamas Topical Guide” that because “terrorism and terrorist have become politicized, and often are applied inconsistently … the AP is not using the terms for specific actions or groups, other than in direct quotations.” The guidance will affect how dozens of regional newspapers and national outlets like Politico report on the ongoing war in Gaza.

    Hamas, an Islamist militant group dedicated to the annihilation of Israel and Jews around the world, is classified as a terrorist organization by dozens of countries, including the United States and the European Union. Hamas has undertaken hundreds of terrorist attacks against civilians since 1993, according to the Jewish Virtual Library.

    Instead of referring to Hamas—which earlier this month killed hundreds of innocent civilians, including children in an unprompted attack on Israel—as a terrorist group, the outlet says journalists should call its members “militants.”

    “Terms such as Hamas fighters, attackers or combatants are also acceptable depending on the context,” the Associated Press style guide states.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  281. Sammy, you are right, it depends on the war and the battles within.

    An example in todays world are the Russian defenses that are stalling Ukrainian counter attacks and the Ukrainian defenses doing the same to the Russian counter attacks further north. The time both had to prepare has resulted in a “meatgrinder”

    Speaking generally, the longer Hamas has to prepare defenses, IED’s, rig buildings with explosives, the more it will cost the Israelis in blood.
    This would be similar to the American experience in Fallujah II where the US, UK and Iraqi’s fought around 4000 militant fighters with US, UK and Iraqi’s losing 100+ dead and about 600 wounded even with total air superiority

    steveg (31fdd9)

  282. @285 you forgot the 6 year old palestinian boy stabbed to death in revenge for Israel killings. Conservatives: Cancel culture is wrong we all have freedom of speech! Oh and by the way cancel all pro-palestinian speakers on campus and else where! Right NJ Robb

    asset (3c29a2)

  283. You are evil asset.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  284. White House spokesman John Kirby rejects calls from Republicans to cancel student visas for anyone supporting Hamas.

    “I would just tell you, you don’t have to agree with every sentiment as expressed in a free country like this to stand by the idea of the First Amendment and the idea of peaceful protest. I’ll leave it at that.”

    There is no constitutional right to a student visa. You can be denied a green card if you support the communist party, a restriction that has never been unconstitutional. This has nothing to do with peaceful protest. If you are peacefully supporting a terrorist organization, you are a threat to the US.

    As with the southern border, Biden’s policy is about future voters not about the security of the US.

    lloyd (04571a)

  285. @290 Thanks for letting me know I got thru to your soul. Feedback is great!

    asset (3c29a2)

  286. The former Israeli PM pushes back against the BBC.
    If you want to really know how pissed off the Israelis are, Mr. Bennett is a barometer.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  287. Orban can leave NATO anytime he wants, too. Putin won’t mind.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  288. The EU is to NATO as the Ministry of Silly Walks is to Scotland Yard.

    lloyd (b81098)

  289. Hamas frees two Israeli women as U.S. advises delaying ground war to allow talks on captives

    The U.S. advised Israeli officials that delaying a ground offensive would give Washington more time to work with regional mediators on securing the release of more hostages, according to a U.S. official.

    Netanyahu angers Israel’s military chiefs as he delays invasion of Gaza to eliminate Hamas, with western allies in the EU pushing for a ceasefire

    Israel’s Prime Minister clashed with leading figures in the country’s defence forces over his decision to delay the incursion, which his military chiefs are said to be eager to start, the Telegraph reports.

    Meanwhile some members states within the European Union have pushed for a ceasefire in the war between Israel and terror group Hamas in order to deliver more humanitarian aid to Palestinian civilians in the besieged Gaza Strip.

    Josep Borrell, the EU’s foreign policy chief, said he backed a call by UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres for a ‘humanitarian pause’, and added that it would give leaders more time to negotiate the release of the more than 200 hostages held captive by Hamas.

    Israel will not survive if they stand down here.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  290. You can be denied a green card if you support the communist party, a restriction that has never been unconstitutional.

    It also hasn’t been enforced for more than 50 years. Not sure that a security clearance is still refused for that reason.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  291. why don’t you want ballots sent all registered voters not everyone.

    Because voting should take some small effort. Because ballot provenance is important. Because people move and don’t tell the government about it. Because there is, as yet, no strong validation of who filled out the ballot; signatures are a piss poor method.

    Not that you care.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  292. Should the US plan for evacuating the half million Americans in potential war zones in the Middle East? OR should we simply suggest that they leave now, or plan to shelter in place?

    U.S. readies plans for mass evacuations if Gaza war escalates

    I imagine that Americans in Israel have strong connections to Israel and its defense, and these are probably the bulk of the group at risk. Americans in, say, Lebanon or Iran should probably leave, but they probably won’t. Should we care? What about those in Saudi, the Emirates, Egypt, Jordan, etc?

    Considering the record of the Biden administration in evacuations, it’s probably not going to work anyway.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  293. Thanks for letting me know I got thru to your soul. Feedback is great!

    asset (3c29a2) — 10/23/2023 @ 8:56 pm

    You let us know what you were the day you supoorted reeducation camps. Just another Billy Ayers without the writing skills.

    NJRob (d97714)

  294. Four down, fifteen to go.
    The lies that got Ms. Ellis censured in Colorado got her convicted in Georgia.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  295. Trump lawyer Jenna Ellis pleads guilty in Georgia to a felony charge that she participated in an effort to make false statements to Georgia lawmakers about election fraud.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  296. Note to GA defendants: Those that plead first get the better deal.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  297. @301: Four?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  298. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 7:14 am

    Powell, Chesebro, Ellis, and the bail bondsman.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  299. Re-education camps? Either I missed a banger to a comment section or NJRob has wandered even further from the herd.

    Time123 (e195fa)

  300. Going Easy on a Tax-Return Heist

    The Justice Department has finally found the man who stole thousands of private federal tax records and leaked them to the media. But the potential deterrent effect is going to be muted by the plea deal negotiated with Internal Revenue Service contractor Charles Littlejohn.

    In a hearing last week in Washington federal court, Mr. Littlejohn admitted to stealing tax returns for President Trump and thousands of wealthy Americans, before leaking them to two separate media outlets. The hearing didn’t address motives, but Mr. Littlejohn’s aims seem clear. He gave Mr. Trump’s information to the New York Times, even as the President was fighting demands for his tax returns by Democrats in Congress. The leak of wealthy taxpayer information to ProPublica coincided with a progressive campaign to impose a new tax on assets…

    [P]rosecutors in the Justice Department’s public integrity section of the criminal division charged Mr. Littlejohn in September with only a single count of willfully disclosing confidential tax information. This ignores the sheer number of individual taxpayers who were harmed by his theft, as well as his multiple rounds of thievery: filching Mr. Trump’s records in 2018 and early 2020, then information on wealthy Americans that summer.

    The plea deal documents filed with the court note that the government is awarding Mr. Littlejohn extra points for “acceptance of responsibility” of his crime. Add his lack of a prior criminal record, plus the single count, and “the defendant’s stipulated Sentencing Guidelines range is 8 to 14 months,” with a fine range of “$4,000 to $40,000.”

    The good news is that federal Judge Ana Reyes might not go along for this easy ride, given the gravity of the crime. During last week’s hearing, she promised there would be “severe consequences to this illegal act.” She’s still limited by the government’s decision to let Mr. Littlejohn cop to one count, since that means he cannot receive more than five years in jail.

    The White House insists the Justice Department isn’t politicized, but it is growing harder to overlook its unequal pursuit of justice. Mr. Littlejohn’s thievery was a political assist to Democrats. This plea is an affront to honest taxpayers

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  301. The Chaotic Urban Hellscape That Awaits Israel in a Gaza Invasion

    Between artillery and tanks, it will be a pretty flat hellscape.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  302. Re-education camps?

    Asset did advocate them, and perhaps worse, some time back.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  303. @303

    Note to GA defendants: Those that plead first get the better deal.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 7:13 am

    This is FAFO imo, but we should also recognized that its a mostly political prosecution.

    One side is creating new rules and precedents.

    Don’t be shocked if some red-state AG starts prosecuting the likes of this.

    whembly (5f7596)

  304. I can only pray that this drags down Trump’s support so that the other GOP candidates can overtake him.

    It’s still lightyears from now to the first primary/caucus votes….

    whembly (5f7596)

  305. Ballot provenance is made probable by the fact that it was mailed to a specific address; that the exact style of the ballot is different where any ooffce to be voted n is different; and by the fact that there are nt supposed to be two or more ballots returned by the same voter. Authenticity is a problem when another family member can fill out the ballot even of someone who moved or passed away, but this kind of fraud tends to cancel out, and if done on any large scale, get discovered, and most people wouldn’t do that.

    Sammy Finkelman (23306a)

  306. Between artillery and tanks, it will be a pretty flat hellscape.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 7:31 am

    I’m sure you read the article-it will be far from flat and seen the concrete building wreckage throughout Gaza City. The collapsed buildings from the Israel bombings have created myriad sniper positions:

    Urban warfare is considered ideal terrain for snipers. Snipers say buildings give cover and distort sound, making it harder to trace them. Hamas used snipers to kill an Israeli soldier in a 2018 skirmish.

    A good sniper can generally fire three shots before being located, and can conduct reconnaissance, said Walsh, who was an instructor at the Marine sniper school in Quantico, Va. “Urban combat is generally at short ranges and up-close and personal,” he said.
    ……..
    Even when cities are largely emptied of civilians, an urban assault can require three times as many troops as in less treacherous conditions. In open terrain, attackers generally want to have about three troops for every defender, while in urban conditions the ratio can be 5 or even 10 to 1, said John Spencer, chair of Urban Warfare Studies at the Madison Policy Forum, a think tank.

    Destroying buildings, as Israel has been doing, can eliminate some command-and-control centers. That complicates defensive operations, but also creates rubble that can impede a ground invasion.
    ……….
    Rubble has been a problem for attackers in past urban fighting, including during the Nazi siege of Stalingrad during World War II. German bombers demolished large parts of the city, aiming to kill Soviet forces. The resulting ruin gave Soviet troops more hiding places and hindered Germans’ use of tanks in the protracted battle, which Germany lost.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  307. steveg (31fdd9) — 10/23/2023 @ 6:48 pm

    Speaking generally, the longer Hamas has to prepare defenses, IED’s, rig buildings with explosives, the more it will cost the Israelis in blood.

    Hamas has already had 15 years to devise methods of defence and several years to build something v

    This would be similar to the American experience in Fallujah II where the US, UK and Iraqi’s fought around 4000 militant fighters with US, UK and Iraqi’s losing 100+ dead and about 600 wounded even with total air superiority

    The United States is advising Israel to attack Gaza, if it attacks, like Mosul and Raqqa, not like Fallujah.

    Sammy Finkelman (23306a)

  308. It’s still lightyears from now to the first primary/caucus votes….

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/24/2023 @ 8:48 am

    It’s 83 days until the Iowa Republican Caucus and 140 days to New Hampshire primary.

    Tick tock.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  309. House Republican Speaker Vote:

    Only two candidates remain: Reps. Tom Emmer of Minnesota and Mike Johnson of Louisiana.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  310. Byron Donalds withdrew from the race after the 4th round where he received 25 votes (down from a high of 33).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  311. House Majority Whip Tom Emmer has been elected as the GOP speaker nominee. It’s not known if he has the 217 votes required for the floor vote to become House Speaker.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  312. Should the US plan for evacuating the half million Americans in potential war zones in the Middle East?

    Potential? I would say the Middle East (specifically Israel, Gaza, Jordan, the West Bank and Lebanon) are perpetual war zones. For Americans that live in those areas, that’s a risk you take.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  313. @318

    Byron Donalds withdrew from the race after the 4th round where he received 25 votes (down from a high of 33).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2023 @ 9:14 am

    Good.

    He needs my time in Congress and build his fundraising reputation.

    He’ll get his shot if he stays in politics.

    whembly (5f7596)

  314. More F-16s Arrive in Middle East as AFCENT Fighter Footprint Grows to 6 Squadrons
    ……….
    The New Jersey Air National Guard’s 119th Expeditionary Fighter Squadron’s arrival in the U.S. Central Command (CENTCOM) region increases the Air Force’s fighter footprint in the Middle East to six squadrons. U.S. bases in the Middle East have begun to come under attack from militia groups aligned with Iran, and officials have voiced concerned about possible region-wide escalation of the Israel-Hamas war.
    ……….
    The F-16 Fighting Falcons are part of a broader package of forces that have deployed after Hamas’ attack on Israel. F-15Es from RAF Lakenheath, U.K., and A-10 Thunderbolt IIs from Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, Ariz., have already arrived in the region to bolster the U.S. Air Force presence.

    AFCENT now operates three F-16 squadrons, two A-10 squadrons, and an F-15 squadron “alongside several strategic airlift, aerial refueling, and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance platforms,” according to the release. U.S. officials are considering deploying additional military forces to the region.
    ………

    If necessary, B-52 bombers would be available from bases in Europe and Diego Garcia, along with US-based B-1s and B-2s.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  315. whembly (5f7596) — 10/24/2023 @ 9:38 am

    Donalds will also need to develop a legislative record beyond just introducing bills.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  316. House Majority Whip Tom Emmer has been elected as the GOP speaker nominee. It’s not known if he has the 217 votes required for the floor vote to become House Speaker.

    My plan: This is a mandatory vote. Anyone who votes NO will be deemed to have resigned from the Caucus.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  317. But there are about 20 Jordan dead-enders who refuse to vote for anyone not named Jordan.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  318. If necessary, B-52 bombers would be available from bases in Europe and Diego Garcia, along with US-based B-1s and B-2s.

    If Necessary = Hezbollah enters the war. raining missiles down on Tel Aviv. The US will be frantic to avoid Israel nuking South Lebanon.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  319. My only quibble against Tom Emmer is that he advocated for the National Vote Compact to elect POTUS via popular vote.

    Other than that, he’s just a more moderate McCarthy.

    Plus, he’ll be in an even weaker position that McCarthy ever was.

    whembly (5f7596)

  320. @326

    If necessary, B-52 bombers would be available from bases in Europe and Diego Garcia, along with US-based B-1s and B-2s.

    If Necessary = Hezbollah enters the war. raining missiles down on Tel Aviv. The US will be frantic to avoid Israel nuking South Lebanon.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 11:34 am

    All the US/NATO assets in the Meds and the Persian Gulf is for Iran.

    whembly (5f7596)

  321. #327

    It’s not Emmer. Trump just harpooned him. He’s a RINO and internationalist, don’t you know. Now, will the GOP caucus dare defy him?

    I laugh. Back to the drawing board, folks.

    Appalled (a1a6dc)

  322. If Necessary = Hezbollah enters the war. raining missiles down on Tel Aviv. The US will be frantic to avoid Israel nuking South Lebanon.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 11:34 am

    I was thinking more about turning Iran into glass. I doubt the US/Israel would nuke south Lebanon since the winds would blow fallout into Israel.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  323. Given the choices, Emmer is about the only House Republican Democrats might support. Looks like they won’t get the chance.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  324. Kneecapped:

    Rep. Tom Emmer has dropped out of the speaker’s race, a source familiar told CNN, just hours after becoming the House GOP’s nominee for the position.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  325. My only quibble against Tom Emmer is that he advocated for the National Vote Compact to elect POTUS via popular vote.

    Idiotic, unworkable and perilous in a near-tie.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  326. Rep. Tom Emmer has dropped out of the speaker’s race

    There have got to be Republicans threatening to vote for Jeffries if this goes on. There’s more than one way to play “chicken” and we are now down to the choice of suicides.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  327. I was thinking more about turning Iran into glass. I doubt the US/Israel would nuke south Lebanon since the winds would blow fallout into Israel.

    That would result in other nukes flying, and Israel cannot withstand even one H-bomb.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  328. I was thinking more about turning Iran into glass.

    There is a good chance that everyone involved would be hanged, by Israelis.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  329. Emmer drops Speaker bid after winning conference vote.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/us/politics/house-speaker-election.html

    Representative Tom Emmer of Minnesota, the No. 3 House Republican, dropped his bid for speaker on Tuesday hours after securing his divided party’s nomination, after a swift backlash from the right, including former President Donald J. Trump, left his candidacy in shambles.

    Mr. Emmer’s abrupt exit signaled that Republicans were as far as ever from breaking a deadlock that has left Congress leaderless and paralyzed for three weeks. It made Mr. Emmer the third Republican this month to be chosen to lead the party, only to have his bid collapse in a seemingly endless cycle of G.O.P. grievances, personality conflicts and ideological rifts.

    The only way out is to make a deal with the Democrats that doesn’t give away too much. (after all the majority of the House is not Democrats)

    Slightly more than half of the Republican conference will go along.

    It would include no change or almost no change in committee memberships and something like the right to bring anything that had 40% or 45% of a committee support to the floor for a vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  330. This was expected.

    Former President Donald Trump’s final chief of staff in the White House, Mark Meadows, has spoken with special counsel Jack Smith’s team at least three times this year, including once before a federal grand jury, which came only after Smith granted Meadows immunity to testify under oath, according to sources familiar with the matter.

    The sources said Meadows informed Smith’s team that he repeatedly told Trump in the weeks after the 2020 presidential election that the allegations of significant voting fraud coming to them were baseless, a striking break from Trump’s prolific rhetoric regarding the election.

    According to the sources, Meadows also told the federal investigators Trump was being “dishonest” with the public when he first claimed to have won the election only hours after polls closed on Nov. 3, 2020, before final results were in.

    Meadows should’ve cut a deal with Willis, too, but now he’ll likely have to take a plea.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  331. I was thinking more about turning Iran into glass.

    There is a good chance that everyone involved would be hanged, by Israelis.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 1:59 pm

    Huh?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  332. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 1:59 pm

    I assume you quoted the wrong thing here or misread it.

    There is a good chance that everyone involved would be hanged, by Israelis.

    Israel seems to go in much more for extrajudicial executions in foreign countries. They still haven’t maintained the principle of no release of terrorists who have blood on their hands, although that may change now.

    Nobody has been executed in Israel after a trial since Adolf Eichmann in 1962.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  333. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2023 @ 1:29 pm

    Given the choices, Emmer is about the only House Republican Democrats might support. Looks like they won’t get the chance.

    Emmer probably wouldn’t want to do that without an endorsement from a majority of the Republican conference. (and they are not yet ready for that)

    But really, getting some votes from Democrats is probably the only way out.

    Otherwise nobody can win. Unless the Trumpists decide an institutionalist as Speaker is better than a deal where they are cut out/

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  334. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 11:32 am

    But there are about 20 Jordan dead-enders who refuse to vote for anyone not named Jordan.

    And more anti-Jordan or his friends dead enders

    They have to go outside the Republican membership to win the vote for Speaker.

    Sammy Finkelman (e0dccb)

  335. MTG has filed a censure resolution against Rashida Tlaib for “antisemitic activity, sympathizing with terrorist organizations, and leading an insurrection at the United States Capitol Complex.”

    Too bad their isn’t a House speaker so it can go forward.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  336. Tough gig:

    Lukoil, Russia’s second-largest oil company, said Tuesday its chairman had died suddenly, at the age of 66.

    “It is with deep regret that we announce the sudden passing of Vladimir Ivanovich Nekrasov,” the company said in a statement posted to its website. “According to the preliminary conclusion of doctors, death occurred as a result of acute heart failure.”
    ………
    His immediate predecessor, Ravil Maganov, died just over a year ago after falling out of a hospital window in Moscow, according to Russian state media.

    Maganov’s death was confirmed by Lukoil in September 2022 in a statement that said he “passed away following a severe illness” but made no mention of a fall.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  337. There is a good chance that everyone involved would be hanged, by Israelis.

    Genocide is a transcendental crime. Even if it was justified in retaliation (and it would not be here), it’s still one of those things that MUST be punished. Like the old thing about correcting the King — it’s OK if you don’t mind being hanged for it.

    Israelis would be aghast, the nation would be a pariah, with all moral capital destroyed. They would damn sure make an example of the monsters who acted in their name.

    Nobody has been executed in Israel after a trial since Adolf Eichmann in 1962.

    Eichmann was not responsible for murdering 87 million people, but the parallels would be obvious.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  338. And more anti-Jordan or his friends dead enders

    20 people will only support Jordan. 200 would support any of the nominees so far. The majority is not the intransigent ones. I say expel them from the Caucus if they won’t vote with the Party. Might as well make the break now, as McCarthy’s molly-coddling didn’t work.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  339. The proper response to Iran is to put about 10 KT on the Shi’ia holy city of Qom, killing as many mullahs as possible. The Iranians can hang the rest of them.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  340. @338

    Meadows should’ve cut a deal with Willis, too, but now he’ll likely have to take a plea.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 10/24/2023 @ 2:02 pm

    He’ll take the plea for the same reason as to why the others took the plea.

    It’s extremely expensive to mount a defense AND risking jail time if taken to trail.

    All “guilty pleas” are actually deferred adjudications under Georgia’s First Offender Act (§ 42-8-60) which means, as that each defendant will be “completely exonerated of guilt” if they complete probation.

    Zero judgements of guilt. Zero convictions.

    The only thing I’m not sure of, if it includes felony counts.

    Either way, it just shows that Fani Willis doesn’t have a real RICO case and is abusing her office and overcharging.

    Going from RICO (a minimum of 5 years in jail) to plead-out probably seems hella swingy.

    whembly (5f7596)

  341. I was thinking more about turning Iran into glass.

    There is a good chance that everyone involved would be hanged, by Israelis.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 1:59 pm

    Why would Israel hang “everyone involved” if Iran was turned into glass (meaning nuked)?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  342. * 200 would support any of the OTHER nominees so far

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  343. Why would Israel hang “everyone involved” if Iran was turned into glass (meaning nuked)?

    Turning a country into glass is a genocidal use of nuclear weapons. No nation can commit genocide and survive — all men’s hands would be against them — and Israel least of all. Even H-bombing Tehran would be a horrific event, killing mostly (99+%) non-combatants. Aiming is actually important with nukes.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  344. If this goes on in the House, I expect 5 centrist Republicans from D+ districts to switch parties, out of both disgust and self-preservation. The House will go heavily Democrat in 20204, something the Gaetzians actually want.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  345. Either way, it just shows that Fani Willis doesn’t have a real RICO case and is abusing her office and overcharging.

    Going from RICO (a minimum of 5 years in jail) to plead-out probably seems hella swingy.

    whembly (5f7596) — 10/24/2023 @ 2:54 pm

    She’s just gathering witnesses for Trump’s (and Meadows and Giuliani) trial, and from her perspective there is the advantage of not previewing her case against them. I believe part of deals for Powell, Ellis, Chesebro, etc. would include testimony in Trump’s federal election subversion case. Both Powell and Chesebro are unindicted co-conspirators in that case, and they could easily become indicted conspirators if they decline to cooperate.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  346. <blockquote>Turning a country into glass is a genocidal use of nuclear weapons. No nation can commit genocide and survive — all men’s hands would be against them — and Israel least of all.

    I never said that Israel would attack Iran with nuclear weapons.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  347. The House will go heavily Democrat in 20204……

    That’s a long way off……. 😉

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  348. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/24/2023 @ 3:03 pm

    End times wishcasting.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  349. Re-education camps?

    Asset did advocate them, and perhaps worse, some time back.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 7:32 am

    That’s correct. But to be fair, when I challenged him about the re-education camps, he said he was joking.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  350. She’s just gathering witnesses for Trump’s (and Meadows and Giuliani) trial

    So, Meadows has federal immunity for his federal testimony. What happens if some of that bleeds back into the state proceedings, either directly or through some chain of actions? Would that taint any charges against Meadows? And it’s pretty clear why Meadows wanted his case in federal court now. Maybe Willis needs to cut a deal with Meadows to simplify matters.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  351. McCarthy
    Scalise
    Jordan
    Emmer
    some dwarfs

    What a sh1t show.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  352. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 2:53 pm

    The proper response to Iran is to put about 10 KT on the Shi’ia holy city of Qom, killing as many mullahs as possible. The Iranians can hang the rest of them.

    The honest mullahs aren’t with the government, and there are lots of them. And their real holy city is in Iraq.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  353. This is good news. The Franklin TN mayoral candidate who was openly endorsed by actual Nazis lost her race, and badly. The campaign became so prominent that John Oliver talked about it. And Mrs. David French made it a thing, too.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  354. RIP Richard Roundtree (81); Star o Shaft.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  355. Even if the rocket that hit the parking lot near Al Ahli Hospital came from Israel’s Iron Dome, responsibility still lies with Hamas because the Israeli rocket was defensive.

    This is akin to the Ukrainian rocket that inadvertently killed a couple of Poles, because it was fired in self-defense at offensive Russian missiles.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  356. 20 people will only support Jordan. 200 would support any of the nominees so far. The majority is not the intransigent ones. I say expel them from the Caucus if they won’t vote with the Party. Might as well make the break now, as McCarthy’s molly-coddling didn’t work.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/24/2023 @ 2:51 pm

    If the 20 Republicans that refused to vote for Jordan had switched their botes, we’d already have a Speaker.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  357. For some years I have thought that we should understand that Iran was waging a low-level war against us, mostly through proxies. Columnist Josh Rogin thinks we should respond more to their recent attacks:

    The Biden administration often says it wants to prevent the Israel-Gaza war from expanding across the region. But the near-daily attacks by Iranian-backed militias on U.S. troops in several Middle Eastern countries demonstrate that President Biden’s containment effort is cracking. Iran is already attacking U.S. bases using its proxy forces — and the United States has yet to formulate a proper response.

    I agree, but think we must be very smart about how we respond.

    Jim Miller (05bdb7)

  358. @365

    I agree, but think we must be very smart about how we respond.

    Jim Miller (05bdb7) — 10/25/2023 @ 7:44 am

    Best thing to do, imo, is to bankrupt Iran with effective sanctions and the likes.

    What the Biden Administration, in continuous of Obama Iranian foreign policy… ain’t it.

    whembly (5f7596)

  359. Xi Jinping is purging people he himself promoted last year. He now fired the Defense Minister who was last seen in public at the end of August, and he’s been removed from the Central Military Commission. That makes three out of the six members other than Xi himself.

    All these purges in China are gradual – only announced or made official after one or two months

    Sammy Finkelman (ebe4de)

  360. If the 20 Republicans that refused to vote for Jordan had switched their botes, we’d already have a Speaker.

    Won’t vote for McCarthy … patriot!
    Won’t vote for Scalise … patriot!
    Won’t vote for Emmer … patriot!
    Won’t vote for Jordan … dirty low-down traitor!

    I’ll also point out that a month ago we HAD a Speaker.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  361. I agree, but think we must be very smart about how we respond.

    I’m reminded of the newspaper headline in “Wrong is Right!”: “WAR AT LAST!”

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  362. Left to his own devices, Xi Jingping will destroy everything Deng built. He won’t last out his current term and should avoid high windows.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  363. Donald Trump cannot die soon enough.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  364. Israel Agrees to Delay Invasion of Gaza So U.S. Can Rush Missile Defenses to Region

    Israel has agreed, for now, to a request from the U.S. to get its air defenses in place to protect U.S. troops in the region ahead of an expected ground invasion of Gaza, according to U.S. officials and people familiar with the Israeli planning.

    The Pentagon is scrambling to deploy nearly a dozen air-defense systems to the region, including for U.S. troops serving in Iraq, Syria, Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, to protect them from missiles and rockets. U.S. officials have so far persuaded the Israelis to hold off until those pieces can be placed, as early as later this week.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  365. U.S. officials have so far persuaded the Israelis to hold off until those pieces can be placed,

    That’s one reason to delay, but not the only reason, but it’s a reason that would convince anyone. Another is that their plans are not worked out, are probably the wrong plans – and Lloyd Austin should know – he was in charge of defeating Isis in Mosul and Raqqa – and there is no clear political objective or goal in mind – and there are people who don’t want to bother their heads about it now.

    The Israeli military is more hawkish than Netanyahu, and, probably also, Aryeh Deri of the Shas party, who although he is not in he government, his advise on matters of war and peace is cherished by Netanyahu, so much so that he was called out of a synagogue when the attack happened.

    Prohibiting him from being in the government was one of the two underlying issues in the fight about Israel’s Supreme Court they had earlier this year. The other was the drafting of yeshiva students. In both cases the Supreme Court won but yet did not win.

    Sammy Finkelman (e0dccb)

  366. https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/house-speaker-vote-10-25-23/index.html

    Rep. Mike Johnson voted new House speaker

    By Mike Hayes, Kaanita Iyer, Elise Hammond and Shania Shelton, CNN

    Updated 4:18 p.m. ET, October 25, 2023

    The stories are all within the hour, but I think I heard it on the radio before (but not completely)

    It must be they knew before the vote was taken or before it was complete.

    This story dates from 2:40 pm EDT:

    https://www.newser.com/story/341861/meet-the-houses-most-powerful-republican.html

    With Republicans keen to move on from the weekslong effort to elect a new speaker, he needed 217 votes and received 220.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  367. That’s one reason to delay, but not the only reason, but it’s a reason that would convince anyone.

    The US needs to get that other carrier there, the Marine forces in place, and any number of air assets moved to Diego Garcia and the like. If Hezbollah/Iran enters the was, the US will do so as well and want to be able to act.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  368. Isrel has cut off the electricity, and most of the water (water to southern Gaza was restored some time ago) but not telephone service because they listen in or in some cases, telephone warnings..

    Hamas probably has fuel, but of course they won’t divert any of that to hospital generators.

    The tunnels, or some of them, can function as bomb shelters but only the hostages have been put in there. They are grouped according to where they came from, what kibbutz for instance, soldiers probably treated differently..

    Sammy Finkelman (7a85f9)

  369. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/04/world/middleeast/isis-documents-mosul-iraq.html

    Meetings like this one occurred throughout the territory controlled by the Islamic State in 2014. Soon municipal employees were back fixing potholes, painting crosswalks, repairing power lines and overseeing payroll.

    “We had no choice but to go back to work,” said Mr. Hamoud. “We did the same job as before. Except we were now serving a terrorist group.”

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  370. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/us/politics/israel-us-gaza-invasion.html

    The Biden administration is concerned that Israel lacks achievable military objectives in Gaza, and that the Israel Defense Forces are not yet ready to launch a ground invasion with a plan that can work, senior administration officials said.

    In phone conversations with his Israeli counterpart, Yoav Gallant, Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III has stressed the need for careful consideration of how Israeli forces might conduct a ground invasion of Gaza, where Hamas maintains intricate tunnel networks under densely populated areas.

    Biden administration officials insisted that the United States had not told Israel what to do and still supported the ground invasion. But the Pentagon has sent a three-star Marine, Lt. Gen. James Glynn, along with other officers to help the Israelis with the challenges of fighting an urban war.

    A Pentagon official said on Monday that the deployment of General Glynn, reported earlier by Axios, did not mean the Pentagon was making decisions for Israel. General Glynn, the official said, would not be on the ground in Israel if an incursion into Gaza begins.

    Israeli officials in Washington did not immediately respond to requests for comment. But on Sunday, a diplomat from the Israeli Embassy denied that the U.S. government was advising the Israelis to delay the ground invasion. “The U.S. is not pressing Israel in regards to the ground operation,” the diplomat said….

    Not pressing, but asking tough questions and reviewing plans

    In his conversations with Mr. Gallant, Mr. Austin has described the hard-fought campaign to clear the Iraqi city of Mosul of Islamic State fighters in 2016 and 2017. At the time, Mr. Austin was the head of United States Central Command, and American troops were backing their Kurdish and Iraqi counterparts in the fight.

    “The first thing that everyone should know, and I think everyone does know, is that urban combat is extremely difficult,” Mr. Austin told ABC News’s “This Week” on Sunday.

    He said that he had “encouraged” Mr. Gallant to “conduct their operations in accordance with the law of war.” American officials have become increasingly concerned that a ground invasion in Gaza could lead to a huge loss of civilian lives.

    He was on the phone again with Mr. Gallant on Monday, Pentagon officials said, emphasizing “the importance of civilian protection.” In an emailed statement, Brig. Gen. Patrick S. Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, said that the two men also discussed American security assistance to Israel.

    But the administration is also concerned, the officials said, that the Israel Defense Forces do not yet have a clear military pathway to achieve Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s goal of eradicating Hamas. In conversations with Israeli officials since the Hamas attacks on Oct. 7, American officials said they have not yet seen an achievable plan of action.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  371. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-invasion.html

    …Urban warfare studies and American officials offer dire comparisons to Iraq: Think of Falluja in 2004, the most intense battles that American troops had faced since Vietnam, or the nine-month fight to defeat the Islamic State in Mosul in 2016, which led to 10,000 civilian deaths. Then multiply the destructive toll, possibly exponentially.

    Hamas has three to five times as many fighters — perhaps 40,000 in all — as the Islamic State had in Mosul. It can draw reserves from a young, restive population, and has international support from countries like Iran. Even on its own, Hamas’s leadership has had years to prepare for battle across Gaza, including in city streets, where the superiority of tanks and precise munitions can be stymied by guerrilla tactics…

    ….Benjamin Netanyahu, Israel’s prime minister, has vowed to “demolish Hamas.” Without sharply defining what that means, he pledged to remove the group from Gaza after its Oct. 7 attack on Israel killed 1,400 people and led to the kidnapping of more than 200 others.

    But Gaza, heavily urbanized, with Hamas deeply entrenched, is an especially complex battlefield. Concerned about the challenges ahead, the Biden administration has sent senior military officers to provide advice to the Israelis, based on their own experiences in Iraq, while pressing Israel to delay the invasion, to leave more time to negotiate the release of hostages taken by Hamas and to deliver more humanitarian aid. American officials worry that Israel lacks a plan with clear, achievable objectives that would prevent an enormous loss of life among Gaza’s more than two million Palestinian civilians.

    “I’ve encouraged them to conduct their operations in accordance with the law of war,” Defense Secretary Lloyd J. Austin III said on Sunday.

    ….The Gaza Strip is about 140 square miles, a narrow band slightly larger in area than Las Vegas, with a cluster of urban population centers. Gaza City, the capital, has around 700,000 people packed into around 20 square miles, with more tall buildings than U.S.-led forces faced in the battle for Mosul, creating a more dangerous three-dimensional front.

    Many urban invasions — from the Middle Ages to modernity — have started off with a rapid advance, only to later bog down in districts that favor defenders. Mosul is a prime example; another is last year’s siege of Mariupol. A few thousand Ukrainian soldiers held the city for nearly three months against an advancing Russian force five to eight times as large….

    …. In 2004, the Bush administration gave U.S. Marines only 72 hours to plan an invasion of Falluja after four American contractors were killed, their mutilated bodies lashed to a bridge. Commanders warned that a revenge-driven operation would endanger civilians and fail, and they pulled back after heavy losses, giving Iraqis six months to flee before a second push.

    An estimated 30,000 to 90,000 stayed.

    “A lot of the innocent civilians were not allowed to leave,” said Freddie Blish, a retired U.S. Marine lieutenant colonel who was deployed to Falluja as a combat engineer. “And that’s what’s going to happen with Hamas — they’re going to use them as human shields.”

    ….e tolerance for troop losses tends to decrease as urban warfare drags on. In Mosul, after casualty rates for Iraqi troops reached 50 percent, airstrikes increased. The Iraqis often demanded that their American partners take down more than just one building.

    “They wouldn’t move forward until we leveled the block,” said Amos Fox, a U.S. military planner in Iraq during the Mosul operation.

    It took 252 days and 100,000 Iraqi troops, with American air support, to rid Mosul of ISIS. Along with 10,000 civilian deaths, 8,200 Iraqi soldiers suffered casualties, and at least 13,000 buildings were made uninhabitable, according to the United Nations.

    Israeli troops, while better trained than the Iraqi Army, with years to prepare invasion plans and special engineering units for challenges like tunnels, will face a tougher adversary.

    There were 3,000 to 5,000 ISIS fighters in Mosul at the start of the operation, according to initial U.S. military estimates, and a few thousand more came later. Hamas’s military wing, the Al Qassam Brigades, is estimated to number 30,000 to 40,000, not including thousands of militants with other groups like Palestinian Islamic Jihad.

    Most ISIS fighters were also from other countries. Hamas fighters grew up in Gaza. Their units are bonded together by location, family, faith and shared frustration with Israel.

    “They know the streets, they know the tunnels,” said Mr. Blish, the retired lieutenant colonel. “It’s going to be a tough slog.”

    ….In the current case, Israeli officials have warned that they are expecting several months of fighting, if not years….

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  372. NYT still brooding over the hospital story:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/middleeast/gaza-hospital-israel-hamas-video.html

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  373. WSJ Op-ed says Israel should ask for unconditional surrender:

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-needs-unconditional-surrender-from-hamas-c56d725d

    The problem is, for this to work, you’d probably need unconditional surrender from Iran also, or a complete cutoff of contact (like the Vichy French surrender in North Africa in 1942, but it would be hard to make that believable to their forces.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  374. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/24/world/europe/israel-hamas-gaza-war.html

    Israel Says It Will Destroy Hamas. But Who Will Govern Gaza?

    Israel has set itself a stiff challenge in aiming to vanquish Hamas. But an even bigger question looms: Once in Gaza, how and when does Israel get out?

    ….Israel tried to rid itself of responsibility for Gaza once before and failed. Its political answer to who would run Gaza proved faulty, and it essentially tossed the keys to Gaza into the street.

    In 2005, when Israel withdrew all its troops and citizens from Gaza, it handed over power there to the Palestinian Authority of Mahmoud Abbas, dominated by Fatah. But Fatah lost a legislative election the next year to Hamas, and in 2007, when Fatah broke an agreement with Hamas, Hamas seized power in Gaza in a short and brutal civil war, dividing the Palestinians not only territorially, but politically.

    In the current conflict, Israel will need to control what’s left of Gaza and garrison Israeli forces there until a political solution of some kind allows them to leave, which will stretch the army, especially if Hezbollah opens a second front from southern Lebanon or if there is a surge of violence in the occupied West Bank between Israeli settlers and Palestinians.

    Sammy Finkelman (e0dccb)

  375. @375

    That’s one reason to delay, but not the only reason, but it’s a reason that would convince anyone.

    The US needs to get that other carrier there, the Marine forces in place, and any number of air assets moved to Diego Garcia and the like. If Hezbollah/Iran enters the was, the US will do so as well and want to be able to act.

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/25/2023 @ 1:38 pm

    This is kind of harrowing if you think about it.

    The US has massive interests and assets in the region, yet they’re telling Israel to hold off until we move ADDITIONAL assets to protect our interests.

    This tells me, that despite the Biden Administration of their dovish handling with Iran… they’re expecting Iran (Hezbella) to join into the fray when Israel destroys Hamas.

    whembly (5f7596)

  376. The US has massive interests and assets in the region, yet they’re telling Israel to hold off until we move ADDITIONAL assets to protect our interests.

    It’s called blowback, the unintended consequences and unwanted side-effects. The US is Israel’s biggest patron, so whatever Israel does the US will get blamed for it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  377. whembly (5f7596) — 10/25/2023 @ 2:46 pm

    yet they’re telling Israel to hold off until we move ADDITIONAL assets to protect our interests.

    Not to hold off altogether – the U.S. is not telling Israel not to shoot down rockets, or halt the bombing altogether or restore electricity etc – just nit to escalate or commit troops into Gaza, which might prompt Iran/Hezbollah to escalate.And presumably, not to play into Iran;s possible war plan. Whicch might have an element of thinking that response is less likely if it looks like it was sort of unplanned,

    The United States is holding off too – not responding when missiles are fired at its troops by Iranian proxies,

    Sammy Finkelman (1f563c)

  378. Israel Says It Will Destroy Hamas. But Who Will Govern Gaza?

    There are a number of answers, but the MSM just wants to ask questions. Is EVERYONE a back-seat driver?

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  379. This tells me, that despite the Biden Administration of their dovish handling with Iran… they’re expecting Iran (Hezbella) to join into the fray when Israel destroys Hamas.

    It also tells me that McClellanism is rife in the Pentagon.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  380. The United States is holding off too – not responding when missiles are fired at its troops by Iranian proxies,

    Doing wonders for the morale of our troops.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  381. The US has massive interests and assets in the region, yet they’re telling Israel to hold off until we move ADDITIONAL assets to protect our interests.

    Emphasis in original.

    .

    Protecting our interests should be paramount.

    Rip Murdock (37fadb)

  382. If there is a wider war, regime change in Iran needs to be on the table.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  383. “If there is a wider war, regime change in Iran needs to be on the table.”

    yes it has worked so well in the past

    Davethulhu (34559a)

  384. Gunman on the loose: 22 reported killed, 50-60 wounded by a mass shooter in Lewiston, Maine, but those numbers are not firm. Shooting was at at least two different places – at a bar and a recreational center and for some reason they were worried he was heading toward a hospital. Gunman appears to be white – later identified as 40 years old with a record for child molestation (?) .

    Sammy Finkelman (1f563c)

  385. yes it has worked so well in the past

    This time the war will come to us, and there is no way we would allow the Iranian regime a mulligan.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  386. 4.9% GDP growth in Q3.

    SamG (4e6c22)

  387. @395

    4.9% GDP growth in Q3.

    SamG (4e6c22) — 10/26/2023 @ 7:15 am

    We’ve have had consecutive quarters where they were positive only later to be massively adjusted downward.

    I’d wait a few months before considering chiseling that in stone.

    They do this, because they’re playing the PR game of avoiding to announce that we’re in a recession.

    whembly (5f7596)

  388. Once again Biden fails, this time at stagflation.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  389. SamG,

    heavy inflation and government spending. Expect future downward adjustments.

    NJRob (ae6822)

  390. Details on gunman

    The Army confirmed that Card has been an Army Reservist since December 2002. His current rank is as a Sergeant First Class and his job is a Petroleum Supply Specialist, the Army said.

    A state police intelligence bulletin states Card had been committed to a mental health facility for two weeks in the summer of 2023. It did not provide specific details about his treatment or condition.

    The document also said Card had reported hearing voices and had threatened to carry out a shooting at the military training base in Saco, Maine.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  391. heavy inflation and government spending.

    The 4.9% number is seasonally and inflation adjusted. But it’s not great news, as that rate of expansion reflects continued inflationary pressure.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  392. They report growth in gdp but lower tax revenue for the government, One possible partial explanation is that the beginning of 2023 saw a tax cut – income tax brackets indexing kicked in.

    Another statistic has inflation up 18% since the beginning of 2021 and wages up 11%

    If anything is wrong with the inflation adjustments that could make economic growth or decline statistics wrong too,”Meanwhile rents and housing prices go up. There is an algorithm increasingly used by landlords that tends to slightly increase vacancies but also increases total income from a building. There’s an antitrust law suit against that sand also against real estate brokers,

    Sammy Finkelman (1f563c)

  393. One thing that happens with inflationary periods is that people save less and spend more. This drives up both interest rates and GDP.

    Kevin M (ed969f)

  394. Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/20/2023 @ 9:18 am

    Gaza needs to spend some time as a protectorate of a stable Arab nation that has reason to prevent a re-emergence of something like Hamas.

    Can’t be done without ending the regime in Iran.

    Something like Hamas also exists in Lebanon, Yemen, and parts of Syria.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  395. SF: Another statistic has inflation up 18% since the beginning of 2021 and wages up 11%

    Kevin M (ed969f) — 10/26/2023 @ 8:45 am

    One thing that happens with inflationary periods is that people save less and spend more.

    Yes, that could account for the contradictory statistics.

    This drives up both interest rates and GDP.

    It can drive up GDP but not interest rates. Interest rates are controlled by the federal reserve Board, which overwhelms any market factors.

    Maybe only the lowest most short term interest rates are controlled by the Fed (when it says out of long term markets) but that rate determines all other rates.

    Sammy Finkelman (e0dccb)

  396. I have lots of different topic things to say but will see if I can do tomorrow in the new weekend thread.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  397. So, will the attack on Israel turn out to be like:

    1. The Mayaguez
    2. Grenada
    3. The Maine
    4. 9/11
    5. Sarajevo

    Kevin M (ed969f)


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