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10/10/2022

Masks Off: Progressive Los Angeles Latino — er, Latinx — Leaders Let Fly What They REALLY Think about Blacks, Gays, Whites, and Asians

Filed under: General — JVW @ 6:40 am



[guest post by JVW]

A month ago, an audio recording of an October 2021 meeting between three Los Angeles City Councilmembers and some local labor bigwig was leaked on Reddit. Participating in the meeting were Council President Nury Martinez along with her colleagues Kevin de León and Gil Cedillo in discussion with Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron Herrera, and that audio recording was reported on by the Los Angeles Times earlier this evening. Would you believe that when speaking to each other in private, woke progressive lefty big city Democrats might not be as open-minded and tolerant as they pretend to be in public?

Behind closed doors, Los Angeles City Council President Nury Martinez made openly racist remarks, derided some of her council colleagues and spoke in unusually crass terms about how the city should be carved up politically.

The conversation remained private for nearly a year, until a leaked recording reverberated explosively Sunday and turned the focus of a sprawling metropolis toward Los Angeles City Hall.

What sorts of remarks were enough to incite this brouhaha? It’s not pretty:

Martinez and the other Latino leaders present during the taped conversation were seemingly unaware they were being recorded as Martinez said a white councilmember handled his young Black son as though he were an “accessory” and described Councilman Mike Bonin’s son as “Parece changuito,” or “like a monkey.”

During the conversation with Councilmembers Gil Cedillo and Kevin de León and Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron Herrera, Martinez described Bonin at one point as a “little bitch,” according to a recording of the meeting reviewed by The Times.

Councilwoman Martinez turns 50 this coming year, so rest assured she is old enough to understand how historically problematic it is to compare African-Americans to simians. Mike Bonin is gay, and therefore describing him as a “little bitch” seems more than a wee bit homophobic, no? But it gets worse in terms of ugly racism. Here is how LAT columnist Gustavo Arellano, who listened to the tape, describes what was said about Councilman Bonin’s adopted son:

Herrera suggested that Bonin effectively puts his young son, who is Black, out in public like a lawn jockey, the racist statues used to invoke the antebellum South. De León compared the son to one of Martinez’s Louis Vuitton bags.

Hay trae su negrito,” Martinez added — there he goes, bringing his little darky. Later, she said the boy’s behavior on a float during a Martin Luther King Jr. Day parade made him seem like a “changuito.”

In response to the behavior of the boy on the float, the council president expressed a rather disgusting opinion, as thuggish as it is racist:

“They’re raising him like a little white kid,” Martinez said. “I was like, this kid needs a beatdown. Let me take him around the corner and then I’ll bring him back.”

The boy was two years old at the time.

Beyond the ugly racism and homophobia, the three lawmakers spoke in backroom bare-knuckle terms about the power dynamics of intersectionality in the City of Angels. It will surprise no one to learn that they believe that Latinos — who now make up about half of the population of the city — are being denied proportionate power due to the continued influence of blacks, who are now under ten percent, and white progressives like Bonin who vote with them:

At one point in the conversation, De León referred to Bonin as the council’s “fourth Black member.”

“Mike Bonin won’t f—ing ever say peep about Latinos. He’ll never say a f—ing word about us,” he said.

And with a city redistricting commission which had just published a draft plan for new council districts which the four Latinos hated and were determined to fight, a discussion of how to handle the district of disgraced councilman Mark Ridley-Thomas, recently indicted and likely headed for jail. Naturally, it first had to have a dollop of anti-white racism:

Martinez said she explained to another councilmember that if Ridley-Thomas were to be suspended, City Controller Ron Galperin would decide whether he still gets paid.

“You need to go talk to that white guy,” she says. “It’s not us. It’s the white members on this council that will motherf— you in a heartbeat.”

Once that was out of the way, talk turned about how to take advantage of Ridley-Thomas’s absence and at the same time deal a blow to socialist councilwoman Nithya Raman, who is too much of a lefty true-believer to be useful to the Latino bloc’s machine politics:

Later in the conversation, the group talked about how Koreatown — a largely Latino neighborhood — should be handled in redistricting.

Martinez said the area was in Council District 10, which was Ridley-Thomas’ district. Martinez then noted that Raman “wants a play for K-Town” but said that would not happen because she didn’t want “beef” with Ridley-Thomas.

Martinez said that giving Raman what could amount to a safer council district would not be good for Martinez and her allies.

“It serves us to not give her all of K-Town,” Martinez said, referring to Raman. “Because if you do, that solidifies her renters’ district and that is not a good thing for any of us. You have to keep her on the fence.”

And, finally, the group made it clear how little they care for Karen Bass, who may end up being the next Mayor of Los Angeles, and whose corrupt political machine is far more influential than their own:

Herrera then said, “You just gotta combat CoCo with that seat. That seat has to be anti-CoCo.”

He was referring to Community Coalition, the nonprofit started by mayoral candidate Karen Bass and once headed by Councilmember Marqueece Harris-Dawson that has spent the last three decades trying to improve relations between Latino and Black folks in South Los Angeles. Bass and Harris-Dawson are Black; Community Coalition’s current chief executive and executive vice president are Latinos.

For good measure, the quartet even indulged in some anti-Mexican bigotry, expressing disdain for those from Oaxaca who tend to have darker skin than their countrymen from the north, with Ms. Martinez declaring “tan feos” — “they’re ugly.”

As you can imagine, the three politicians now find themselves trying to get back in the good graces of their party. Council President Martinez has apologized, chalking up her comments to a moment of “frustration and anger” (remember that she joked about smacking around a two-year old boy) and insisting that she was just concerned about redistricting and that her work on the council “speaks for itself.” Less interested in the banalities of self-aggrandizement, Councilman de León declared that “I regret appearing to condone and even contribute to certain insensitive comments made about a colleague and his family in private.” Councilman Cedillo, who was defeated for his reelection bid in the primary race this past June, had the best response, insisting that he couldn’t recall any of the conversation.

Councilwoman Martinez and Councilman de León will probably survive this mess, despite calls from their nominal allies for them to resign. It’s possible that Ms. Martinez will be forced to give up the council presidency, but I would imagine she will come up with some sort of tearful public apology and will cut a deal with the city’s black leadership which will strengthen their political hand even as their percentage of the population continues to drop. And I’m sure she and Mr. de León will attend some sort of sensitivity training seminar and emerge from it fully cleansed of their racist attitudes, or so at least we will be told. But this was a very important insight into what progressive Democrats in a one-party town really think about each other and about intersectionality, and I for one am going to remember it next time some time-serving hack politician lectures me about not having the proper views on race.

– JVW

71 Responses to “Masks Off: Progressive Los Angeles Latino — er, Latinx — Leaders Let Fly What They REALLY Think about Blacks, Gays, Whites, and Asians”

  1. I really think that folks need to review “Animal Farm.”

    I am unsurprised by all of this. However, our current societal summary is that only white people can be racist. Um. Not so much.

    Probably xenophobia is one of those human universals.

    JVW, thank you for a great essay on a not so great topic.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  2. They all must resign. Maybe especially Cedillo, who is clearly addle-brained and unfit to serve if he thinks anyone will buy his pathetic “I can’t remember” excuse. Which no one does . Not even him.

    Dana (1225fc)

  3. Sadly, Dana, my guess is that some of them will survive this, politically. Our sick society is a mirror that shows us our worst being defended…and both the Right and Left. It all comes down to power, and I suspect it always has.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  4. You don’t find roses growing on stalks of clover. Their constituencies will keep them up there because they talk the exact same way too, and the wokes can just keep on munching their avocado toast.

    nk (01186a)

  5. So you’re saying that racism isn’t the exclusive sin of white people?

    Radegunda (f34f44)

  6. A sad state of affairs… racism in the bones of the Democrat Party… who knew!?!?

    Only anyone old enough to have witnessed their behavior over decades…

    KKK… Jim Crow… segregation/serial lynching in the South…

    Get your minds and hearts right, Democrats. Until you do… 🍿🍿🍿

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  7. I’ve had meetings with Bonin. He is a little bitch, and about as far left as one can be in this country. He managed to get 9 1/2 years out of 2 4-year terms and would have run for a third term (the voters traded a 2-term limit for “ethics rules (Bwahaha)). After narrowly avoiding a second recall attempt, he quit the race and endorsed someone as far left as he is (her opponent is only mildly left).

    The worst LA City Councilmember, a liar, hypocrite and most likely a crook.

    I have no doubt that he treats his son as an appendage.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  8. They all must resign.

    This is power politics, and a private conversation. In calling for them to resign, you rely on the assumption that any of this is unusual and that other council blocs are not as frank in their private conversations.

    In the end, it is up to the voters in their districts to decide their fates, not some editorial writer or blogger. There’s an ele3ction next month, which I doubt is any coincidence.

    As for the comments about Bonin and his behavior, there is nothing that has been said against Bonin that I have found false.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  9. Bonin: Think of a gay MTG who turned all public spaces in his district into transient encampments and protects the RV flophouse nightmare everywhere except around his own house, where they are prohibited.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  10. * …gay far-left MTG who …

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  11. Kevin M @ 8,

    This is power politics, and a private conversation. In calling for them to resign, you rely on the assumption that any of this is unusual and that other council blocs are not as frank in their private conversations.

    In the end, it is up to the voters in their districts to decide their fates, not some editorial writer or blogger. There’s an ele3ction next month, which I doubt is any coincidence.

    As for the comments about Bonin and his behavior, there is nothing that has been said against Bonin that I have found false.

    I don’t care if it was a private conversation. They were caught on tape. I don’t care if this is not unusual either, and that others have had similar convos. Of course, ultimately it will be up to the voters to recall them or vote them out since the election is next month.

    I don’t care if Bonin is a jerk, as you say. That does not minimize anything that was said. These are elected officials, let them be held accountable. Maybe Los Angeles voters won’t care, and maybe they won’t resign and won’t even be recalled. That’s fine because that will be the will of the voters represented. But that doesn’t excuse anything of their cmments. Not in my book.

    Dana (1225fc)

  12. This is all related to something no one wants to talk about: what we value in our “leaders.” To me, temperament matters. Why should we not insist on decent and well-spoken leaders? Putting us into a situation where, if we dislike “the other side,” we accept horrible people to represent us? Flawed and doomed to an every faster race to the bottom of a political cesspool.

    I know lots of folks don’t agree with me on this. That’s fine. But I have stated the real problem.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  13. I think that we’ve recently seen what voters value in our “leaders” and what they don’t. Temperament doesn’t matter to a huge swath of voters. Today, being decent and well-spoken equates to such perceived weaknesses as being diplomatic and willing to compromise to get something done. These are not the fighters and avengers many voters demand and rally behind.

    Dana (1225fc)

  14. They all must resign. Maybe especially Cedillo……


    Cedillo lost his bid for a third term, so he won’t be in office after December anyway. His opponent won more than 50% of the vote, so there is no runoff.

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  15. The pinnacle of African-American political power in Los Angeles was between 1973-1993, when Tom Bradley was mayor, and has gone downhill ever since.

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  16. Martinez has just resigned.

    DCSCA (b8edf4)

  17. Gil Cedillo, one of the councilmembers on the tape, was defeated for re-election, although the revelations of this tape had nothing to do with it.

    I believe Mike Bonin is as bad as Kevin M. says. Apparently many of his constituents agree, judging by the “Recall Bonin” graffiti I’ve seen sometimes in West LA. But the reprehensible comments about his son went way over the line. Unfortunately, JVW’s prediction as to what will happen is probably entirely correct. I don’t want Bass to be elected mayor, but if she is it might be fun to watch Martinez et al squirm as they deal with her over the next few years.

    RL formerly in Glendale (48bc71)

  18. Los Angeles, you say? Welcome to Sparta.

    In her resignation statement- [aka, baloney and cheese on white bread with mustard] the usual: “I’m sorry… I’m so ashamed…” etc., etc., etc., – Los Angeles City Council President Nury Martinez.

    The tape was made a year ago… and only ‘ashamed and sorry’ now because she was caught.

    “Man, you’re just like the rest of us, ain’t ‘ya?” – Chief Gillespie [Rod Steiger] “In The Heat Of The Night” 1967

    DCSCA (b8edf4)

  19. Never be surprised about what is discussed in the back room with these people.

    I think the default position that we ought to hold is that it’s *THAT* bad everywhere.

    whembly (b770f8)

  20. @12

    This is all related to something no one wants to talk about: what we value in our “leaders.” To me, temperament matters. Why should we not insist on decent and well-spoken leaders? Putting us into a situation where, if we dislike “the other side,” we accept horrible people to represent us? Flawed and doomed to an every faster race to the bottom of a political cesspool.

    I know lots of folks don’t agree with me on this. That’s fine. But I have stated the real problem.

    Simon Jester (c8876d) — 10/10/2022 @ 9:16 am

    I 100% agree with you. It is a problem, and there IS a solution.

    However, my position is that if your goal is to see your preferred policies being advanced, then yes, you may need to pinch your nose and vote for those “horrible people to represent us”. Just consider those politicians “temporary house sitters” for that office, until we get a better candidate lined up.

    Most of us don’t have the clout to influence current politicians, except when we vote.

    There’s a time and place to articulate for what kind of leaders we want and to do that, we must be actively engaged at the grassroots/primary stage of the election cycle to ensure the kinds of leader we’d want. “Paying attention” only during the General Election is way too late to have a say in what kind of leadership you’d want.

    To put it in a numbers context, in 2016 only about 57 million voters participated in their state’s primaries.

    For the 2016 general election, over 128 millon voters casted their votes.

    In other words, less than 50% of the GE voters participated in the process to SELECT the candidates. Now Trump was kicking arse in 2016 primaries, but there were extremely large number of voters would didn’t participate in the primaries that may have been “gettable” by the non-Trump candidates that could overcome Trump’s lead.

    Furthermore, that primary was a failure by the GOP leadership to assess whether or they’d want Trump and to seek out candidates to drop out earlier so that folks could coalesce behind a non-Trump option. I know that some of you don’t like Cruz now, but he could have been that “not-Trump” option had the rest of the field dropped out earlier as he wasn’t too far behind.

    I know hindsight is 20-20, but there are lessons to be learned here.

    whembly (b770f8)

  21. R.I.P. Nikki Finke, 67

    She was a player: ‘Inside Baseball’ for entertainment biz folks.

    DCSCA (b8edf4)

  22. Martinez has resigned only as City Council president, not from the Council itself (which she should do).

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  23. @23. Welcome to Sparta:

    “It’s gonna be hard keepin’ you in your job.” – Mayor Schubert [William Schallert] ‘In The Heat Of The Night’ 1967

    DCSCA (b8edf4)

  24. From the link in post 23:

    Martinez’s resignation arrives at a key moment for City Hall. As many as five council members could depart by the end of the year, depending on the outcome of the Nov. 8 election.

    Four council members are stepping down while a fifth, Councilman Mitch O’Farrell, is in a tough reelection fight.

    Councilwoman-elect Eunisses Hernandez, who defeated Cedillo in June, said she wants to see the council have “an intermediate caretaker” as president until the end of the year, when she and the other new council members will be seated.

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  25. At the risk of offending the pronoun police, let me point out to Kevin M that the candidate Bonin endorsed, Erin Darling, is a he.

    JoeH (19a7e6)

  26. Also, it is well worth noting the moral and ethical morass that is the L.A. City Council.

    3 Indictments In 2 Years For Current Or Former LA City Councilmembers. Here Are The Cases

    JoeH (19a7e6)

  27. I don’t care if Bonin is a jerk, as you say. That does not minimize anything that was said.

    I have said worse things about Bonin, but not in reference to his gender. If he were straight, he’d still be a flaming assh0le. I lived with him as my councilman for a number of years. He has nearly destroyed Los Angeles with his homeless pets.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  28. The pinnacle of African-American political power in Los Angeles was between 1973-1993, when Tom Bradley was mayor, and has gone downhill ever since.

    It cannot be overstated the degree to which Central American immigration has changed Los Angeles. When Bradly was Mayor, the Hispanic community was mostly in East LA. But now in encompasses most of the near Valley: parts of Glendale, Burbank, North Hollywood, Van Nuys, Sherman Oaks, and filling in the area bounded by 101, 405 and 5 freeways.

    Most of these residents are 2nd generation and later now, making then citizens no matter how their parents got here.

    Blacks are increasingly concentrated in Central and South LA, and whites are pressing in from the West (e.g. into Inglewood) since house prices in the remaining Anglo areas start at $1 million (and in fact some of the Hispanic areas have pricey sections now).

    All the dials are turned up to “11” and Karen Bass is not the person to lean folks out. Caruso might not be either, but I think that a white guy might be seen as more evenhanded in this conflict. God knows that Caruso’s wealth is tied up in Los Angeles, so he’d rather not see it all burn down.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  29. I’ve seen modest ranch houses going for over $1 million in Sunland, which is an area that is far from the sea.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  30. I’m expect some more tapes to drop. This cannot be the only one. Best bet it was recorded by a Hispanic office-seeker clearing a path for themselves. Other camps have the same stresses.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  31. Dana, I think that you and I have different expectations of public officials. You’re upset because your expectations are not met. I’m not because mine were.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  32. Du is reporting martinez has resigned as council chair. Black, white or latinx democrat party prefers establishment stooges, crooks and pseudo militants to electing militants. Look at the way the party treats bernie sanders and the squad.

    asset (691cc6)

  33. At the risk of offending the pronoun police, let me point out to Kevin M that the candidate Bonin endorsed, Erin Darling, is a he.

    You are right. His more reasonable opponent Tracy Park) is a she. For those that care about such things, Mr Darling appears to be straight and I’m sorry if my mistake seemed to be a homophobic insinuation.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  34. The degree to which council members have in deciding land-use issues, paving the way for development or blocking it, is extreme. Mr Bonin has prevented Chick-Fil-A from opening a restaurant in his district as long as he’s been in office. One case was on the premises of a failed restaurant in an area zoned for just such a business (the corner of Manchester and Sepulveda). His official complaint was “traffic.” Instead a 100-unit 7 story apartment building has been put up replacing the restaurant and its parking lot. It is hard to see how this is less traffic.

    Chick-Fil-A opened instead a little ways away in Culver City just over the L.A. border.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  35. The real power player in that conversation was Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron “the bucks start here” Herrera

    steveg (357dd1)

  36. This whole incident should illuminate a few things:

    1) The extent to which minority populations ally with each other are primarily due to a mutual antipathy towards white people that’s driven by cultural elites, rather than an overriding ideology. Neo-marxist consensus is mostly the domain of white academics and NGOs, which then filters through the rest of the socio-economic strata, and there’s nothing that class hates more than “whiteness.” The term “Latinx” in particular is despised, and is mostly used by striver Hispanic kids in academia and mass media who are trying to fit in with progressive whites in those domains. I guarantee when they see la familia on Thanksgiving, they keep that term to themselves unless they want abuela smacking them upside the head with la chancla.
    2) Anyone expressing any kind of surprise that Latino politicians would say these kinds of things about their white counterparts or black people doesn’t really know the culture all that well. Hispanic immigrants especially have a deep-seated contempt for black Americans, either viewing them as lazy and shiftless, as rivals for political and economic resources, or in the case of the drug trade, as enemies to be cleared out.
    2a) This is also only going to become more exacerbated as more Hispanic immigrants migrate to the US. They know how much their population and economic power is growing, and they’ll absolutely use that as leverage over other minority populations. Another generation or two of the kind of immigration we’ve seen since the 1986 amnesty, and in places like Southern California and Denver, it won’t matter how much smack they talk about black kids, or anyone else’s kids, for that matter.
    3) This absolutely is a power-play by someone within the city council to knock off political targets–maybe not a council member themselves, although that wouldn’t surprise me, but certainly someone with ambition and who has access to the conversation recordings. They wouldn’t have leaked it otherwise.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  37. The real power player in that conversation was Los Angeles County Federation of Labor President Ron “the bucks start here” Herrera

    An untold story around these parts is the degree of racial animosity present in the unions, reflecting the same sort of power struggle we see on the city council. I can’t remember where I read it, but a few years back there was a brief mention about the black/Latino ill will that exists within the SEIU. Same dynamic: the union is seeing a formerly strong black leadership presence being eroded as Latinos begin to overwhelm them with sheer numbers.

    JVW (d46947)

  38. What this is, a month before the election, is an attempt to 1) get blacks enraged at Hispanic candidates and 2) to make new openings in the council that would have to be filled at a low-turnout special election. They waited a year; if they were truly outraged, this would have been done in time to get the replacement election in November.

    Now everyone who doesn’t want to be called a racist is demanding that the three resign their seats. Bass, Caruso, Padilla, etc.

    https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2022-10-10/la-city-council-president-nury-martinez-steps-down-audio-leak

    I think that, in the era of cell-phones, politicians need to learn that there is no privacy for them. This isn’t the last of this, and there may be still more before the election. God only knows what Caruso or Bass have said privately.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  39. None of the three is running this year.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  40. Weird how they finger Gascon as with the blacks, when he probably owes his win over Lacey to the accent over the latter vowel in his apellido.

    urbanleftbehind (fbcf2f)

  41. Happy indigenous peoples day! Columbus gave us small pox and we gave him syphilis!

    asset (87ba5d)

  42. There are no indigenous people in the Americas. They all migrated here. The earliest around 13,000-14,000 years ago across the Bering Strait (or Bridge as it pleases you); the latest are still going through customs at O’Hare International Terminal Five.

    nk (6c45b4)

  43. Columbus gave us small pox and we gave him syphilis!

    And Ponce de Leon stopped you from eating your neighbors and you shot him with a poisoned arrow.

    nk (6c45b4)

  44. What bothers me, nk, is the ahistorical conceit that every tribal group in the Americas was peaceful, in tune with the environment, and so on. Trust me, that is the line on campus. Every square inch of human occupied land is of necessity soaked in blood.

    This modern oikophobia is bizarre beyond belief.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  45. The word “cannibal” comes from the Carib Indians.

    And I can’t say that it bothers me, but no insular mesolithics ever developed a dose of syphilis worthy of the name. What they gave Spanish sailors was some mutable strain of yaws which, in Europe, evolved into syphilis. Kind of like burritos and chimichangas I guess.

    nk (6c45b4)

  46. This modern oikophobia is bizarre beyond belief.

    According to their own propaganda organs, which is to say the news media, only “about a dozen (sic) states and 130 cities” call Columbus Day Indigenous Peoples Day. But if your voice is the only one heard ….

    nk (6c45b4)

  47. I don’t care what they call it as long as I get the day off.

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  48. Which I do.

    Rip Murdock (2b4e42)

  49. It may or may not be true, but it has been written that one of the reasons for the English Reformation, besides getting Henry his divorce and his hands on the Church properties, was getting rid of the innumerable Church holidays which kept the English workforce basically on part-time employment.

    nk (6c45b4)

  50. These people are LAstinx

    steveg (d28fda)

  51. What about Bonin adopting a Black kid. Isn’t that cultural appropriation? I think that was one of the complaints being made on the tape. Note: I will see whatever Bonin does in the worst possible light, and probably be right.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  52. AZ. senate candidate blake masters said in march 2022 video said this will get me in trouble ;but I am a fan of the unibomber. (rachel maddow show)

    asset (54022f)

  53. Garcetti, Padilla, Bass and Caruso call for Martinez, other council members to resign

    I guess that 24 hours was long enough to hold their fingers in the air and figure out which way the wind was blowing.

    JVW (0584ae)

  54. No surprise to see the masks come off. It’s shown every time a leftist says they are owed the vote of people due to their skin color.

    It also ties in neatly with the globalists that find it acceptable to express casual racism towards white men.

    https://rumble.com/v1mwqg2-cato-institute-domestic-manufacturing-is-fetish-for-keeping-white-men-in-po.html

    He’s just expressing what leftists have said for years.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  55. Related, nk.

    https://www.thecollegefix.com/gender-confirmation-surgeries-are-like-ecological-restoration-princeton-hosts-queer-trans-feminist-river-scientist/

    Welcome to my world on campus.

    P.S. None of my students know the name Lysenko.

    Simon Jester (ff9c91)

  56. Well, yes, of course, if they call sexual mutilation “gender affirming care”, they will call tearing down a tree grove and putting up a parking lot “ecological restoration”.

    These people live a lie. Every moment of their life is a lie. Words are the least of it.

    nk (6c45b4)

  57. It is so heartbreaking, nk. I read “Animal Farm,” “Nineteen Eighty Four,” “Brave New World,” and “The Prince” at far far too young of an age.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  58. if they call sexual mutilation “gender affirming care”,

    Is “Muslim woman” a gender?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  59. P.S. None of my students know the name Lysenko.

    I wonder if they would if an ancestor lived in the USSR then.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  60. Lysenko became most famous after Stalin’s time, as a bad example, and probably more famous in the west..

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=lysenko&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=3&direct_url=t1%3B%2Clysenko%3B%2Cc0

    But they gradually sopped writing about him

    It seems it took off again after the year 2000 and peaked in 2013 (back to where it was in 1952.

    It dropped again and rose and has been on a downward trend since 2018. Data only goes up to 2019 when mentions in books were at the level of 1967.

    .This is just ZAmerican English:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=lysenko&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=28&smoothing=3

    Without smoothing:

    https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=lysenko&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=28&smoothing=0

    I wonder, at this point, how many know much about Abraham Lincoln. There’s a lot of writing about Lincoln now but it is probably inaccurate

    It is well known fact that younger people have a feeling that the Civil War took place before 1850 (more guess 1800-1850 than 1850-1900)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  61. nk (6c45b4) — 10/11/2022 @ 7:30 am

    Well, yes, of course, if they call sexual mutilation “gender affirming care”,

    It is “gender affirming care”, except that the idea probably doesn’t arise independently in the person affected. The important thing is, they shouldn’t affirm it.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  62. The New York Times published an article about this on Tuesday, after Los Angeles City Council President Nury Martinez resigned from her leadership position. I can’t find online a copy of the article printed on page 15 of the Tuesday, October 11, 2022 New York Times.

    This seems to be a slightly updated version of the artivle:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/09/us/los-angeles-city-council-tape-leak.html

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  63. The most interesting part of the article seems to indicate corruption, and that was why it was leaked.

    It seems that city council members (acting perhaps through the Los Angeles County federation of Labor, could hand out jobs, but the job location had to be within their city Council district. It didn’t matter how close (or convenient) the job location was – the jobs “belonged” to that city council district.

    That’s the only way to understand this

    So the councilmembers were complaining about important sources of jobs being moved out of their district:

    The conversation focused on those heated negotiations and on the distribution among the 15 council districts of economic and municipal “assets” such as stadiums, universities and airports. Such assets provide jobs to constituents and can enhance an officeholder’s political influence and fund-raising abilities….Ms. Martinez complained that the commission had recommended moving key assets, such as the Van Nuys airport, out of her district while claiming to back broader representation for Latinos.

    “If you’re going to talk about Latino districts, what kind of districts are you trying to create?” she asked her colleagues. “Because you’re taking away our assets. You’re just going to create poor Latino districts with nothing?”

    The recording was first posted on reddit by an “unidentified, now-suspended user” the New York Times said, and came with an introduction that

    denounced the ties between organized labor and some members of the Council, including Ms. Martinez, complaining that “the labor movement is in bed with City Hall.”

    Before it was taken down it was captured in via screenshot and continued to circulate via email.

    The recording was probably made by Ron Herrera (for his records) and discovered sometime later by someone who didn;t like the jobentitlement system – possibly somebody in the labor movement paid for information.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  64. The NYT called Nury Matinez a Latina. It is not fully revealed that Bonin is a homosexual (that he is married to man anyway) until paragraph 27 of 37, and even his name is not
    is not mentioned at first. Mike Bonin’s name is mentioned about paragraph 13

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  65. One down, two to go ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)


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