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11/5/2020

Election Day 3: Open Thread

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 8:29 am



Wisconsin and Michigan are clear. Arizona and Georgia are razor-thin. Nevada and Pennsylvania are slow. It’s Election Day, Day 3!

I’m still unsure what the heck is going to happen.

Leave your comments below, as long as you are not spreading unsubstantiated rumors about election fraud. They’re counting ballots marked with Sharpies, people.

410 Responses to “Election Day 3: Open Thread”

  1. I think it’s best to start a new one of these every day, because long threads tend to devolve.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. Never understood why, but they clearly do.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. Heh. I just trashed a new thread based on Trump’s latest tweet:

    All of the recent Biden claimed States will be legally challenged by us for Voter Fraud and State Election Fraud. Plenty of proof – just check out the Media. WE WILL WIN! America First!

    Keeping the MAGA crew fired up, I see. The thing is, neither Trump nor his people can decide whether to keep on counting or to stop counting. Craziest thing…

    Dana (6995e0)

  4. Year 6, Day three of the 2016 election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  5. I’m waiting for Trump to try to send the military in to “restore order.” You might think that’s silly, but he seems keen on setting a shark-jumping record.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  6. . They’re counting ballots marked with Sharpies, people.

    They so designed the ballot is Arizona, that if it bled through to the other side of the ovals (and regular pens supposedly have more of a chance of doing so, or of leaking anyway, that’s why they chose Sharpies as their pen of choice) it would not stain any place on the other side of the ballot that would cause an overvote there.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  7. Giuliani is the spokesman for Trump on election matters, at least in Pennsylvania.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  8. Wisconsin is pretty thin, actually. About half a percent. I think that Trump should spend some of his own money on a recount there. Michigan is solid.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  9. Silly rumor contest!

    I heard that, if you made a secret mark on the outer envelope, they would accept any signature.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  10. I’m still unsure what the heck is going to happen.

    Wall Street is acceptably bullish and what drives it is stability. I figure that they figure like I figure, that sooner and not later Baby Donnie will have had his fill of tantrums, sobs, nose-wipes, hugs, and ice cream; the Electoral College will elect Biden; and we’ll finally get on with the business of the country.

    nk (1d9030)

  11. I remember the terrible disaster when I took the SATs with a No. 3 pencil.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. I heard that, if you made a secret mark on the outer envelope, they would accept any signature.

    Aw, fer …. Some people! All you need to do is vote to retain the incumbent Board of Election Commissioners. That’s what I did.

    nk (1d9030)

  13. comedian Angelo Tsarouchas, is worth a read:

    Early November is finally here. I have seen a lot of hate spewed in recent days about a man who is a constant winner and overachiever, and that’s what the people who support him like about him. Yes, he’s been caught in some lies and maybe twisted the truth a little but he’s still out there proving his haters wrong time after time. Some people are just jealous of someone who is successful and has money. Throw in a hot foreign underwear model at his side and they hate him even more. You may not have wanted him in his role, but he’s there now and there’s nothing you can do about it. I know it’s possibly just going to get worse over the next several days, but like him or not, Tom Brady is turning things around in Tampa.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  14. nk,

    The market was worried about Biden’s plan to make cap gains taxable as normal income, and to raise normal income taxes. As things looked last week, with what the lying polls were saying, Biden elected with a Dem Senate and a mandate was not all that great for market players, even with SfB gone from the WH..

    But now, with a GOP Senate and no Biden mandate AND Trump gone too? It’s all good man.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. Silly rumor contest:

    “When my Federalist colleague Sean Davis noted this, Twitter was quick to censor his tweet, even though all he had done was compare two sets of vote totals on the New York Times website.

    And he wasn’t the only one who noticed—although on Wednesday it appeared that anyone who noted the Biden vote dump in Michigan was getting censored by Twitter.”

    https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/04/yes-democrats-are-trying-to-steal-the-election-in-michigan-wisconsin-and-pennsylvania/
    __ _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  16. 5, does the DOJ count?

    urbanleftbehind (be8d73)

  17. @10: Oh, so we’re now stressing market signals.

    Dow Nov 8, 2016: 18,300
    Dow Nov 3, 2020: 27,800

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  18. 5, does the DOJ count?

    urbanleftbehind (be8d73) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:34 am

    People with badges and guns are scary.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  19. Recounts didn’t help Al Gore in 2,000, when the margin on Florida was less than a thousand votes. (The margin was even smaller in New Mexico, 366 if I remember correctly, but nobody wanted to Count Every Vote in New Mexico because a change there didn’t change the electoral vote calculation.)

    And unless fraud can be legally demonstrated, the margins of several thousand votes, into the tens of thousands of votes, President Trump will not get any states reversed.

    He lost. Not by much, and it’s not even official yet, but he lost, and our country will be worse off for it. But I will not riot, I will not demonstrate, and I will not take up arms and kill people over it.

    The real question is: will the Republicans be as vile to the Democrats as the Democrats have been as vile toward republicans over the last four years?

    President Clinton’s two Supreme Court nominations received heavy support from Republicans in the Senate. They knew that Justices Ginsburg and Breyer would be bad, but there were only three votes on the confirmation of Mrs Ginsburg and only nine against Mr Breyer.

    When the younger President Bush made his two nominations, Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito, the Democrats showed far less courtesy. Mr Roberts drew 22 negative votes and the Democrats even tried to filibuster Mr Alito’s nomination; the filibuster failed, but he was confirmed only 58-42.

    President Obama’s two nominees received significant Republican opposition, but each received some Republican votes; President Trump’s three nominations received almost universal Democratic opposition.

    Assuming the GOP retains control of the Senate, will Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-KY) allow any confirmation votes on a Joe Biden nominee to the Supreme Court? If Justice Breyer retires quickly, 2021 or 2022, I would imagine that he would, because it would be the replacement of one liberal with another. If Justice Clarence Thomas passes away in 2024, Mr McConnell might refuse to confirm any nominee of Mr Biden’s, hoping that a Republican would win the 2024 nomination.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  20. Of course, my guess is that the 2024 Democratic presidential nominee will be Kamala Harris Emhoff. Even if he’s still President come November of 2024, Mr Biden will be 82 years old, and probably volunteer to retire.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  21. How many states are close right now?

    Will Trump ask for a recount in every state where he is losing if the margin is small? What about lawsuits to stop counting in states where he is winning?

    DRJ (aede82)

  22. @21: Looks like Trump is learning how to play the lawfare game.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  23. “And he wasn’t the only one who noticed—although on Wednesday it appeared that anyone who noted the Biden vote dump in Michigan was getting censored by Twitter.”

    There wasn’t a vote dump.

    Davethulhu (64a023)

  24. @15:

    Three things to note in that Federalist article.

    One, PA has decided to count late ballots without postmarks as valid.
    Two, those reports of 138K-to-zero updates are supported by screen grabs. Explained by state officials as a “typo”, where a report had added an extra zero.
    Three, users who have attempted to relay this information have been throttled by their site’s management.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  25. mr. beer ‘n pretzels, mr. future-ex-president donald trump, who turns from the crowd stumbles and falls but gives you it all, invented the lawfare game

    he and mr. roy cohn

    4,000 lawsuits, mr. beer ‘n pretzels

    whom do you know who’s been in 4,000 lawsuits?

    and i don’t mean presidents

    i mean anybody

    nk (1d9030)

  26. There wasn’t a vote dump.

    There’s a before/after screen grab. Maybe you’d choose different words, but it DID happen.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. Looks like Trump is learning how to play the lawfare game.

    … after publicly declaring — before the vote counting even started, and when polls consistently had him well behind — that the only possible legitimate outcome would be a win for himself.

    And while making categorically false declarations about what election law actually requires.

    Also, Trump obviously isn’t big on learning things.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  28. donald trump … invented the lawfare game

    The Concerned League of Concerned Lawyers would beg to argue.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  29. And while making categorically false declarations about what election law actually requires.

    Trump always comes off like that loud guy at the end of the bar, and it amazes me that he doesn’t drink. Maybe he should.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  30. “Looks like Trump is learning how to play the lawfare game.”

    – beer ‘n pretzels

    Hopefully he’ll play it as incompetently as he plays every other game (except for throwing red meat to morons, if that can be called a “game”).

    Leviticus (efada1)

  31. and i will tell you something else too, mr. beer ‘n pretzels

    if mr. on-his-way-out president donald trump, who can tell by the way you walk you have no time to talk, had spent half as much effort protecting america from the coronavirus as he did propping up the stock market, i would have tattooed his name on the back of my hand to remember to vote for him

    nobody questions his devotion to wall street

    it’s enough to make kim jong un jealous

    nk (1d9030)

  32. This makes sense.

    U.S.—A new report has found that Democrats performed so poorly among Latinos because they kept addressing them as “Latinx” people, a bizarre nonsense-word Hispanics had never encountered before.

    And so does this.

    This week, the American left clambered out of hell, only to find itself condemned to political purgatory.

    Barring an act of malign intervention, Donald Trump will be a one-term president. As of this writing, Joe Biden has won 253 Electoral College votes, with expected wins pending in Nevada, Arizona, and Pennsylvania, and decent odds of eking past the president in Georgia. If you’d told Democrats one year ago that their nominee would reassemble the party’s “blue wall” in the Midwest – and make long-awaited gains in the Sun Belt, to boot – they would have been ecstatic. Today, they’ve brought less ecstasy to blue America than an amalgam of relief and despair. And for good reason: The 2020 election was likely a nigh-catastrophic setback for progressive politics in the United States.

    Yay, divided government. Assuming Biden comes out on top, this is a loss for Trump adorers and progressives and a win for NeverTrumpers and moderates. Biden was the least liberal of all the candidates and he still got branded as a socialist and barely squeaked by.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  33. But now, with a GOP Senate and no Biden mandate AND Trump gone too? It’s all good man.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:25 am

    Yes it is. We should all be happy. Yeah I wanted Trump defeated hilariously, but Biden having no mandate is a great consolation prize, a GOP obstructing him will be handy on spending. Nevertrumper conservatives definitely won the election.

    Trump and his fans crying about it like Al Gore’s fans used to is just the cherry on top.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  34. You could’ve been done with Trump after four more years. Thanks to the mail in chaos pushed by knuckleheads, looks like he’s never going away. Way to go.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  35. The Republican Party in Nevada is claiming that the “Harry Reid machine” included ballots from non-residents and wouldn’t let them look at it.

    https://www.fox2detroit.com/news/trump-campaign-files-lawsuit-in-nevada

    Former Director of National Intelligence Ric Grenell, who also spoke during the press conference, said ballots are not necessarily legal votes, and says that the ‘Harry Reid machine” threw ballots in the mail without checking. [harvested ballots? If so, how could they not mail them?]

    …At the conclusion of the press conference, the campaign did not answer questions from local reporters. They also said the evidence they have will be released later in the day when they formally file the lawsui

    A oldtime caller to Rush Limbaugh (who called him when he was doing his show in Sacramento and she lived in its listening area and who now lives in Nevada) says the hope for stopping anything wrong is the Secretary of State, a Republican woman who was elected by a small margin. She’s the only executive who’s not a Democrat.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  36. but Biden having no mandate is a great consolation prize

    He has received more votes than anyone in US history. You can bet Democrats are going to use that figure as a mandate. Sure, smarter people will point out that the US population has grown, that voter participation was higher, etc. But those facts and nuance won’t stand in the way of the Narrative.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  37. “There’s a before/after screen grab. Maybe you’d choose different words, but it DID happen.”

    You understand that the NYTimes web page is not the official count, right? It’s updated, manually, from the official count.

    Davethulhu (284dab)

  38. nk —
    How could I have forgotten that Trump has a history of using the instruments of law to take advantage of other people? Trump-skeptics know what I mean, and Trump defenders will make excuses or say it’s all lies to make DJT “look bad.”

    In past elections I would have been more on the side of “Oh look, the Dems are doing sneaky things.” But when those charges are made by people who have constantly defended an egregiously self-serving and dishonest man with an openly solipsistic view of right and wrong, I have to doubt that they arise from a genuine commitment to the integrity of the process.

    I’m still more on the R side on policy, and on the appropriate attitude toward rioters, but I can’t put my heart and soul behind the side that sees DJT as the champion of its values.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  39. @36 The GOP keeping the Senate and the GOP unexectedly gainning house seats, such that the majority in the house would be the smallest margin since the New Deal…

    Yeah, reasonable people are not going to push this “mandate” thing. If anything, it shows that the electorate prefers divided governance AND that the whole leftwing BS is not popular.

    whembly (c30c83)

  40. PA has a great dashboard.

    It shows 581K Votes outstanding.
    It shows they’ve been going to Biden by 73%, Trump by 27%

    If the trend continues Biden get’s 425K, Trump get’s 156K

    Biden has 3,117,148 and would go to 3,541,000
    Trump has 3,231,161 and would go to 3,387,000

    This is votes that PA has already received. Not ‘found’ or ‘created’
    It’s not over yet, but it’s getting close.

    Time123 (f5cf77)

  41. They’re counting ballots marked with Sharpies, people.

    On July 21, 1969, Buzz Aldrin used a Duro Marker felt pen to close the ascent engine circuit breaker, allowing ignition that rocketed Eagle off the moon to return he and Neil Armstrong to Earth. People.

    Sharpies are the writing utensil of choice by astronauts aboard the ISS because of their usability in zero-G. People.

    President Donald Trump has a well-known preference for using Sharpies to sign official government documents. People.

    People! Sharpies are making America GREAT. Again! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. Will Trump ask for a recount in every state where he is losing if the margin is small?

    ‘You have to break a few eggs to make the cookie crumble.’- Joe Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  43. It would be classic if President Own-Goal is so obsessed with fighting his personal lost cause to the last bullet that he throws the two run-off elections in GA, and the Senate with them, to Team Joe.

    Unlikely, but karmic.

    Dave (1bb933)

  44. Our female posters should cast votes and compare this long, painful exercise to child birth.

    [ ] easier

    [ ] harder

    [ ] the same

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. There’s a before/after screen grab. Maybe you’d choose different words, but it DID happen.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 9:54 am

    Had you done a little research, you might find that the original tweet which was deleted by the author, after he learned that the New York Times had updated their data based on an data entry error in Shiawassee County, Michigan that was corrected within an hour of being made. Something DID happen, but it was literally NOT a vote dump.

    You could’ve been done with Trump after four more years. Thanks to the mail in chaos pushed by knuckleheads, looks like he’s never going away. Way to go.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:04 am

    Ah, Trumptopia: where the way to get rid of the bad man is to give him what he wants, and where it’s always someone else’s fault when things go wrong!

    Luckily for me, I’m a citizen of the United States.

    Demosthenes (fdb2d4)

  46. Do folks simply just vote for Presidential candidates and NOT vote anything else?

    To me this is strange behavior:

    @USRebellion1776
    Pattern in swing states w/ Senate races.

    Michigan

    Trump: 2,637,173
    GOP Sen: 2,630,042
    Dif: 7,131

    Biden: 2,787,544
    Dem Sen: 2,718,451
    Dif: 69,093

    When you account for 3rd party vote, seems like tens of thousands of mysterious Biden votes w/ no down ticket votes.

    Replying to
    @USRebellion1776
    In Georgia, it’s even worse.

    Where they’re currently “finding” new Biden votes.

    Trump: 2,432,799
    GOP Sen: 2,433,617
    Dif: 818

    Biden: 2,414,651
    Dem Sen: 2,318,850
    Dif: 95,801

    Again, after accounting for 3rd party vote, HUGE amount of mysterious Biden votes w/ no down ticket.

    @USRebellion1776
    ·
    3h
    For comparison, check out a non-swing state, like Wyoming.

    Trump: 193,454
    GOP Sen: 197,961
    Dif:4,507

    Biden: 73,445
    Dem Sen: 72,720
    Dif: 725

    No massive flood of mysterious empty Biden votes.

    It’s fraud.

    The Democrats are committing voter fraud in the Swing states.

    @USRebellion1776
    ·
    3h
    Another control state, which Dems aren’t currently trying to steaI.

    Montana

    Trump: 340,635
    GOP Sen: 330,317
    Dif: 10,318

    Biden: 243,278
    Dem Sen: 270,735
    Dif: 27,457

    Stable numbers for GOP, and when you factor in 3rd party vote, no mysterious Biden-only ballots like the swings.

    I’m not quite on board that this is evidence of fraud, but I do find it strange the folks takes the time for these polls, and only just vote for Presidential candidates and leave the rest blank. I don’t think normal folks would ignore the other races and leave it blank, especially since you leave it open for someone else to use it unmarked choices for their own agendas…

    Does anyone find that strange or no?

    whembly (c30c83)

  47. I hadn’t check to see if this is true… but, if it is this is amazing for GOP;

    HotlineJosh
    · 55m
    This is hard to believe: Dems didn’t pick up a single state legislative chamber in 2020.

    Republicans, against expectations, won the New Hampshire state Senate and the Alaska state House.

    The blue wave expectation was certainly a bust.

    whembly (c30c83)

  48. GOP obstructing him will be handy on spending.

    Oh, I’m sure they can cut a deal on important things like that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  49. He has received more votes than anyone in US history.

    So did Trump, except for Biden.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  50. You understand that the NYTimes web page is not the official count, right? It’s updated, manually, from the official count.

    Yes, but it stayed like that for a while, and saying that people who referred to it are rumormongers is a bit much. If it had been the other way you’d have been digging up your guns.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  51. @49. … and Hillary cried.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  52. It’s updated, manually, from the official count.

    And, it WAS the official count. The “error” was at the state level.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  53. “And, it WAS the official count. The “error” was at the state level.”

    No it wasn’t. It was an error in the file that was sent to the NYTimes (and others) site.

    Davethulhu (7c71b8)

  54. “Yes, but it stayed like that for a while,”

    It stayed like that until a corrected file was sent.

    “and saying that people who referred to it are rumormongers is a bit much.”

    You’re still referring to it, so I disagree.

    Davethulhu (7c71b8)

  55. “It was a simple error from a file created by the state that we ingested. DDHQ does not correct / amend / adjust any state provided file. The state noticed the error and produced an updated count. This happens on election nights and we expect other vote tabulators in MI experienced this error and corrected in real-time as we did.”

    https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/janelytvynenko/election-rumors-debunked#125898666

    Davethulhu (7c71b8)

  56. PA has a great dashboard.

    Thank you for that. They now have 369,364 left as of this post.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  57. the “Harry Reid machine”

    Didn’t that snap and partially blind him?

    “It was a one-eyed one-horned flying purple people eater….” – Sheb Wooley, 1958

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  58. However, if I take just the counties that leaned Biden last time, and multiply those counties outstanding ballots by the spread from 2016 as a percentage (i.e. the net gain expected), I get a net Biden gain of abut 73,000 votes — before counting what Trump might gain from HIS counties, where there are more votes outstanding.

    The spread is currently (NYT) 114,000. I don’t see it.

    I understand that my method neglects some issues with vote lumpiness, but I think the impact is negligible. By far the biggest Biden-leaning district is Philadelphia County (91,000 ballots left). I give Biden a net 67% of those, since the county is currently at +61 which is reasonable close. But even if I gave Biden 30,000 more votes there, it still doesn’t quite make it and Trump is going to get some gains, too (he should get 10K out of Cumberland and Crawford counties, for example).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  59. In MI, the GOP senate candidate was African-American and the Dem candidate was white.

    It could be that some African American Biden voters split their ticket, giving the appearance of a difference in the number of blank senate ballots, but really reflecting people of both parties leaving some races blank while some Biden voters supported the GOP senate candidate, while many fewer Trump voters supported the Dem.

    The faulty assumption with the analysis, in both MI and GA, is that you don’t know the correlation between senate and presidential ballots.

    A similar pattern can emerge anywhere there is ticket-splitting, but this year there aren’t so many states where Trump ran ahead of a competitive GOP senate candidate while Biden ran behind a competitive Dem. Iowa is one example I found:

    Trump: 896,304
    GOP Sen: 863,679
    Diff: 32,625

    Biden: 757,588
    Dem Sen: 753,324
    Diff: 4,264

    Dave (1bb933)

  60. @59 See that’s really weird to me. Why only vote for President?

    whembly (c30c83)

  61. Do folks simply just vote for Presidential candidates and NOT vote anything else?

    Yes. There’s always a dropoff. In some cases, the reverse, and someone may not vote (or vote third party) fr president and yet vote for Senator.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  62. Oh, I’m sure they can cut a deal on important things like that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:50 am

    LOL

    I am really hoping that the GOP recognizes it’s on thin ice. Perhaps it will get stupider. They are a decent minority party sometimes.

    I’m not quite on board that this is evidence of fraud, but I do find it strange the folks takes the time for these polls, and only just vote for Presidential candidates and leave the rest blank. I don’t think normal folks would ignore the other races and leave it blank, especially since you leave it open for someone else to use it unmarked choices for their own agendas…

    Does anyone find that strange or no?

    whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:47 am

    I agree that is odd. If I went to the trouble of voting this year (of course I did), am masked up or filling out a mail-in ballot, why not finish the ballot? I have left races blank many times, but it’s never occurred to me to just vote president and not for more of the other races.

    On the other hand, a few people will do odd stuff. Interesting the GOP gained in the house and lost the presidency.

    I think we all can agree we can do better for election integrity.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  63. Once the ballots are removed from the envelope, there is no recourse for DJT to have them spoiled. The die is already cast.

    The only remedy that gives him 4 more years is a re-vote in at least two states. Kemp (immediate past SoS) and the current SoS are very savvy when it comes to metro Atlanta shenanigans. They are essentially powerless to stem the tide which is about to wash over DJT and Perdue.

    The Nevada governor is arguably the biggest Dem tyrant. There is no chance DJT can overcome him.

    If AZ goes Red, with a friendly Governor running things, there will be great satisfaction that Fox and the AP got it dead wrong, but it won’t be enough to elect DJT.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  64. I remember when Trumpers were outraged at the idea of faithless electors. Now Trumpers are demanding that GOP-majority legislatures choose electors who will go against the choice of their state’s voters.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  65. However, if I take just the counties that leaned Biden last time, and multiply those counties outstanding ballots by the spread from 2016 as a percentage (i.e. the net gain expected), I get a net Biden gain of abut 73,000 votes — before counting what Trump might gain from HIS counties, where there are more votes outstanding.

    The spread is currently (NYT) 114,000. I don’t see it.

    But the outstanding ballots are far more Dem than the spread of the entire county in 2016. That’s why Trump was ahead – sometimes by very large amounts – initially in counties he lost in 2016 and will end up losing this year.

    It’s what happened in every state with a “Blue shift”, and I explained it quantitatively in the election night thread.

    The same mechanism worked in reverse in OH, where the order of reporting things was opposite.

    Dave (1bb933)

  66. Out of 369,364 votes outstanding,

    141,833 are in counties that Hillary won by 10% or more margin.
    126,019 are in counties that Hilly won or lost by less than 10%
    101,512 are in counties that Hillary lost by 10% or more margin.

    All counties are statistically similar in spread, 2016 to 2020.

    There’s a bit more to come for Biden, as there are a lot of votes in one heavily Biden county. But not enough. Trump will take PA, barring a flood of new mail votes*.

    ———-
    *which they are now accepting with no postmark.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. But the outstanding ballots are far more Dem than the spread of the entire county in 2016. That’s why Trump was ahead – sometimes by very large amounts – initially in counties he lost in 2016 and will end up losing this year.

    Not any longer. Everything is now well within expected. I get that criticism, but any such divergence is at best a second order effect now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/11/03/us/elections/results-pennsylvania.html

    (hit the EXPAND on counties)

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  68. Question: Would Trump or the GOP (which is separately affected) be “suppressing votes” to insist that the postmark rules be followed? If you say that the Post Office is committing fraud 1) state your side and 2) show some evidence.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  69. ———-
    *which they are now accepting with no postmark.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:27 am

    How so – is that being reported? Never heard of a state election law saying a non-postmarked ballot can be counted after Election Day.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  70. He has received more votes than anyone in US history. You can bet Democrats are going to use that figure as a mandate. Sure, smarter people will point out that the US population has grown, that voter participation was higher, etc. But those facts and nuance won’t stand in the way of the Narrative.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac) — 11/5/2020 @ 10:15 am

    I guess they must try.

    But Biden was supposed to be ten points ahead and instead it’s a nail biter. The fact is, as frustrating as I might find it, that many, many Americans either love what Trump was, or hate the democrats more. Respecting that is a political law of nature, whether anyone really wants to.

    2022 will be here soon enough.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  71. For those favoring a national popular vote for President….if you look at what’s going on with the vote counting in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona and still favor electing the president by a national popular vote, you’re an asking for chaos on such a scale that will destroy the country.

    Just imagine EVERY big cities nationwide going through this sort of nightmare.

    whembly (c30c83)

  72. @59 See that’s really weird to me. Why only vote for President?

    The method you (or whoever) chose to present it makes it appear to be a much bigger deal than it is.

    In Michigan, for example, there were 67,000 fewer senate votes than presidential votes, out of roughly 5.5M presidential cast. That’s only 1.2% of presidential ballots with the senate left blank.

    If the blank senate ballots were split evenly between parties, it would only take about 30,000 voters (out of 5.5M) splitting tickets to account for the numbers you posted.

    Dave (1bb933)

  73. Question: Would Trump or the GOP (which is separately affected) be “suppressing votes” to insist that the postmark rules be followed?

    You mean in a state which took the Green Party candidate off the ballot for the most frivolous of reasons?

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  74. For those favoring a national popular vote for President….if you look at what’s going on with the vote counting in Georgia, Pennsylvania, and Arizona and still favor electing the president by a national popular vote, you’re an asking for chaos on such a scale that will destroy the country.

    Why would there be any chaos?

    Biden would have (legitimately and undeniably) claimed victory on election night under a popular vote system. There would be no doubt whatsoever about who the winner was right now.

    Dave (1bb933)

  75. @69 Hoi Polloi – The Penn. Supreme Court ruled that any ballot without postmark received until, I believe, tomorrow, is to be considered to have been mailed in time to be counted. John Roberts and the gang voted 5-3, with ACB recusing herself, to leave this ruling intact, subject to revision post- election day. There was no order demanding segregation of said ballots.

    Ballgame.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  76. @74 You’re not comparing apples-to-apples as had we been under the popular votes system, the numbers in each state would be different than today.

    There’s a large segment of voters who DON’T votes because they feel that their votes don’t matter in extreme partisan state.

    Also, every major cities would be seeing litigation out of the wazoo instead of just a handful of states now.

    whembly (c30c83)

  77. How so – is that being reported?

    From the concluding order in the PA Supreme Court ruling(pp62-63):

    IV. CONCLUSION
    Based on our disposition of all of the claims set forth above, we grant relief on the
    claims set forth in Counts I, II, and V of the Democratic Party’s petition for review as
    follows and hold that: (Count I) the Election Code permits county boards of election to
    collect hand-delivered mail-in ballots at locations other than their office addresses
    including drop-boxes as indicated herein, see supra. at 20 n. 15; (Count II) a three-day
    extension of the absentee and mail-in ballot received-by deadline is adopted such that
    ballots mailed by voters via the United States Postal Service and postmarked by 8:00
    p.m. on Election Day , November 3, 2020, shall be counted if they are otherwise valid and
    received by the county boards of election on or before 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020;
    ballots received within this period that lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for
    which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible, will be presumed to have been
    mailed by Election Day unless a preponderance of the evidence demonstrates that it was
    mailed after Election Day
    ; (Count V) the poll watcher residency requirement set forth in
    Section 2687(b) of the Election Code, 25 P.S. § 2687(b), is constitutional. Also, for the
    reasons set forth herein, we deny the relief sought in Count III and IV of the petition for
    review.

    http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Supreme/out/J-96-2020mo%20-%20104548450113066639.pdf?cb=1

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  78. Per the PA site Biden needs to gain 110K votes…or 66% of the uncounted ballots.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  79. He needs 13K in GA with 50K ballots uncounted.

    Time123 (b4d075)

  80. Just imagine EVERY big cities nationwide going through this sort of nightmare.

    Think of it as a firewall. But there was another reason: it’s a tie-breaker that works against candidates with concentrated support, factionalism and regionalism. The candidate who takes the most states has an edge. This is not accidental.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. You’re not comparing apples-to-apples as had we been under the popular votes system, the numbers in each state would be different than today.

    Sure, but with a popular vote you have a single election which is highly unlikely to be (and never has been) very close, and which it would take a huge number of ballots to change the outcome of.

    In the Electoral College system, you multiple (typically a dozen or so) smaller elections that can each determine the outcome, and the number of ballots needed to change the outcome of any one of them – and the national election with it – is (on average) 50 times smaller. So you multiple the number of opportunities for chaos, and make the scale of chicanery required to throw the election much lower.

    Many other countries have presidential elections with a nationwide vote count – France for example – and they do not have chaos. Germany elects some of their parliament based on a national vote – and they do not have chaos.

    There are reasonable arguments for Electoral College, but yours isn’t one of them.

    Dave (1bb933)

  82. There’s a large segment of voters who DON’T votes because they feel that their votes don’t matter in extreme partisan state.

    I am willing to bet that GOP participation on the Left Coast was lower than Democrat participation.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  83. Trump’s percentage o/t popular vote has actually grown since 2016. Those voters aren’t ideologues; the Lincoln Project crowd failed. Those 70 or so million who’ve voted for him aren’t suddenly going to embrace Plagiarist JoeyBee or the rejected Tedtoo, or Little Marco- etc., etc. Even Bloomberg failed after pumping millions into Florida. A younger fresher face will pickup the Trump banner if it comes to that.[Nikki, dress for success!]

    Aside from the death of polling and the crippled credibility of America’s news media outlets, the real clean-up job is w/t failed ‘Blue Wave’ strategy. For God’s sake, Graham was reupped; aside from Biden, the poster child for the hypocritical slime of Washington swamp creature; McConnell slithered to another win, too. The Ds lost 5 house seats. Schumer and Pelosi have to go. The Brits do this so much better; short campaigns, polite returns read clearly in the shires and losers are jettisoned from party power positions almost immediately.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  84. I find this disturbing with 72% reporting…

    44% of California voters were FOR proposition 16 to End Diversity Ban:
    Repeals a constitutional provision that made it unlawful for California’s state and local governments to discriminate against or grant preferential treatment to people based on race, ethnicity, national origin or sex.

    That’s… a lot of folks okay with bigotry.

    whembly (c30c83)

  85. Sure, but with a popular vote you have a single election which is highly unlikely to be (and never has been) very close

    Define very close. The 1960 margin as 112K votes out of 70 million cast, and the story is (never investigated but widely accepted) that a million Kennedy votes were generated by the Daley machine to swing Illinois to the Dems (turned out not to matter).

    Garfield won with a margin of 0.17% (about 1200 votes at the time)

    What would you do if the election was withing 10K votes in 150 million cast? The state threshold is usually something like 0.5% which is 750,000 votes. I don’t think the country has enough lawyers.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  86. How so – is that being reported? Never heard of a state election law saying a non-postmarked ballot can be counted after Election Day.

    I blogged about that a few weeks ago.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  87. Since my terrible guessing is well documented, I’ve got nothing to lose, so here’s my next big whiff: Philly is holding their final round of counted ballots until they’re for certain that their tranche will put Biden over the top, and then they’ll make their big announcement that Biden won the presidency.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  88. What would you do if the election was withing 10K votes in 150 million cast?

    Recount the votes and declare whoever ends up with most the winner.

    Dave (1bb933)

  89. Dave,

    The firewall argument has several factors, one of which is avoidance of a national recount. Other involve making fraud meaningless in most cases. The Daley/1960 case was an exception and had it mattered would not have succeeded.

    But even more than that they allow states to have somewhat different laws so that ballots in one state may be more freely cast than in another (or conversely, more sanely restricted) without the differing weightings having to matter. The electoral college matches all impedance.

    That they assign slightly more weight to smaller states is not an accident. Remote urban voters should not ride roughshod over rural voters nationally as freely as they do within a state (e.g. Oregon).

    Sure, maybe there are better ways that retain the firewall benefit while avoiding the unit-rule. Probably a lot of Republicans who would like to see CA’s bloc broken up. Maybe giant states need to be split. Maybe a proportional system (although minor parties would get their votes that way and 2000 (and this one) would have gone to the House. Maybe CDs — any state can do that now, and two states do. Fine for small states, but gerrymanders are an issue in large states.

    It’s not clear. In some of the systems, Gore wins in 2000, but Romney wins in 2012.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  90. Recount the votes and declare whoever ends up with most the winner.

    Best 2 out of 3?

    You may think I’m joking, but I’m not. Also, how do you maintain any kind of common counting procedure with 43,789 different ballot forms and 7532 different election committees? Wasn’t Florida bad enough?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  91. Philly is holding their final round of counted ballots until they’re for certain that their tranche will put Biden over the top, and then they’ll make their big announcement that Biden won the presidency.

    Even if there are more ballots to count from those horse-and-buggy counties.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  92. I can’t imagine that we would ever go to a national popular vote without making some serious changes to the election process, including the following:
    * limits on mail-in voting, including requiring voters to request a ballot each time there is an election
    * requiring most voters to come to the polls, show an ID, and be logged into a ledger which is then compared with the number of ballots cast
    * end of same-day voter registration
    * strict and nationalized procedures for counting and reporting

    The Democrats’ dream that we’ll have a national popular vote and that voting will be open for an entire month and ballots will be sent out far and wide to everyone 18 and over whether they want them or not and then collected and delivered by ballot harvesters is a massive pipe dream.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  93. shall be counted if they are otherwise valid and
    received by the county boards of election on or before 5:00 p.m. on November 6, 2020;

    The good news is it sounds as if ballots not signed will be thrown out. I would assume PA will check all the “slow” ballots against voter rolls, check signatures, etc.

    If not, that’s pretty bad.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  94. Also a pipe dream: the conservative idea that only those who have paid income or property taxes can vote, in person, after paying a fee and demonstrating literacy and numeracy.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. @92.Yep. And with this widening window of ‘election month’ rather than ‘election day’ it’s heading in the wrong direction. How many early and mail-in voters in PA would change their ballots if they’d heard Biden’s energy/fracking slip in the debate? No in person early voting; a week for mail-ins- no after or day of post-marks, you show up w/ an ID and you’re done.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. The Democrats’ dream that we’ll have a national popular vote and that voting will be open for an entire month and ballots will be sent out far and wide to everyone 18 and over whether they want them or not and then collected and delivered by ballot harvesters is a massive pipe dream.

    Other than the national popular vote part, we’re already there. Thinking we’re going back to what we had, plus any semblance of voter ID, is the pipe dream.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  97. Garfield won with a margin of 0.17% (about 1200 votes at the time.)

    Won him six months; Garfield Administration: March 4–September 19, 1881.

    Life of the Party was a pistol, wasn’t he. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. If you’re an overseas observer and watching this chaos you’d never consider adopting this system for your government.

    Xi is the smiling one; Putin is outright laughing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  99. I agree that uniform national standards and procedures would be highly desirable under a popular vote system.

    It’s important to remember, though, that RIGHT NOW we accept a system where voters from one state – who constitute one EIGHTH of the population – have 30% of the weight of voters from another state. It seems highly unlikely that any form of fraud could reach the same magnitude or extent of disenfranchisement.

    If we are putting reform on the table, presidential and congressional elections should be administered by the federal government and federal courts for the sake of equal protection and due process. The states can run state and local elections as they choose.

    Dave (1bb933)

  100. @84 More probably it’s that 44% of Californians think that black and latino people start with an unfair handicap and need to be given an advantage to make up for that. Characterizing those voters as OK with bigotry isn’t an accurate read of the situation. (and no, I wasn’t in that 44%)

    Nic (896fdf)

  101. Come on, man! Here’s the deal: If integrity in elections is your goal, Trump is the last person to look to for a leader or exemplar.

    nk (1d9030)

  102. @87. A ‘cheezy’ move w/a lot at ‘steak.’ 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. @92 One thing that boggles my mind is the avoidance of using technology. We just ATMs to freaking handle our withdrawls/deposits.

    If we’re that comfortable of using that for our own freaking MONEY, we should be comfortable to use these technologies for handling our votes.

    whembly (c30c83)

  104. Also a pipe dream: the conservative idea that only those who have paid income or property taxes can vote, in person, after paying a fee and demonstrating literacy and numeracy.

    Now that is a bigoted idea.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  105. Laura Ingraham actually brought up the 2022 election last night.

    She has earned an honored seat tied to the Monty Python and the Holy Grail catapult and launched into the castle along with the cow for bring up the next election already.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. 87 and 102,dickish either way. Maybe they (respective Bds of Election) are not getting any takers for who actually stands at the podium when countvis done. Had it gone the other way in a state, maybe you get Rush Limbaugh with nothing left to lose making that announcement.

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  107. @103. Have you perused the ages of some of those poll workers on the TeeVee?

    Sure, the ‘kids’ have smartphones– but a lot of those little old ladies likely still can’t stop the clock from flashing on their VCRs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  108. Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:50 am

    – The Penn. Supreme Court ruled that any ballot without postmark received until, I believe, tomorrow, is to be considered to have been mailed in time to be counted.

    There are only maybe a few hundred of such ballots.

    Someone just called up Giuliani’s radio show on WABC and says that they are stalling in Pennsylvania – what they are busying themselves with now is alphabetizing ballots.

    I suppose the official reason for that would be is that that may make it easier to check if the provisional affidavit ballots of persons who voted in person but were not in the list of voters eligible to vote on Election Day because they had requested an absentee ballot should be counted.

    If the absentee ballot will not be there by the end of Friday (something that can be determined without going through signature verification) the provisional ballot is valid; if it is there and fails the signature match or has some other external defect, or arrives after the deadline, whatever the deadline is eventually determined to be, the provisional ballot is also valid. If the absentee ballot is valid, then the provisional ballot is not used.

    They were also reported the other day to be weighing absentee ballots. If it weighed too little that meant it was missing the cover envelope, and there was apparently some way to go back to the original voter and have that ballot verified as being sent by him or her. That could be construed as voting after Election Day, because the voter has a decision to make even if nothing is altered in the ballot; and also this is not being done in Republican leaning counties but only in southeastern Pennsylvania.

    It could be that they will act differently depending upon whether anything they do matters to the result. Pennsylvania might not matter to the result, or the little things they could do might not matter to Pennsylvania result.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  109. Trump aides are reportedly discussing a possible 2024 ‘resurrection run’ if Biden wins

    This comes after The New York Times on Wednesday similarly reported that “in private lately [Trump] has broached the idea of running again in 2024” and for months, he’s reportedly suggested, at times jokingly, that he might “promptly announce that he was running again” were he to lose.

    No.

    Just no.

    Dave (1bb933)

  110. @107 I find it hard to believe that those little old ladies are unlikely unable to use the ATMs.

    whembly (c30c83)

  111. Especially before hitting the casino.

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  112. 109, on that note…tomorrow…will there be a procession?

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  113. whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:59 pm

    If we’re that comfortable of using that for our own freaking MONEY, we should be comfortable to use these technologies for handling our votes.

    If an ATM makes mistake, you know, and even then you can’t always prove it. A vote is supposed to be anonymous.

    I once or twice got cheated of $20 by an ATM years ago – also I once deposited a check for someone else which was rejected a week later – it turned out, when I helped him figure out what happened, the scanner didn;t properly photograph the account number on the check. It had a blur on one number.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  114. a lot of those little old ladies likely still can’t stop the clock from flashing on their VCRs.

    In the forty years that we’ve had VCRs, you haven’t figured out the reason? It’s because the instructions start out as Japanese which are then translated into English and printed by Chinese.

    nk (1d9030)

  115. >If we’re that comfortable of using that for our own freaking MONEY, we should be comfortable to use these technologies for handling our votes.

    the technology we use to make transactions involving money secure require that the identity of the person authorizing the transaction be known throughout.

    that technology would make a secret ballot impossible.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  116. Most Electoral vote counts give Donald Trump 213 Electoral votes and Joe Biden 253, (the New York Times gave Donald Trump 214 in today;s paper) and I think hasn’t changed in maybe a day. Only Fox News projects Arizona.

    To Trump’s 213 we can safely add the 2nd district of Maine [1] and Alaska [3] which gives you 217.

    To which you can add North Carolina [13} and Georgia [16] for a total of 248.

    Trump is leading in Pennsylvania by a big margin and, as for the late arriving allots he wants to exclude, there are only a few hundred of them. Trump got what his lawyers were asking in court for in Pennsylvania – closer observation of the vote count.

    Trump is generally favored in Pennsylvania [20] which would give him 268, and Biden in Arizona [11] which would give him 264.

    It’s all up to Nevada [6] although Trump is asking for a recount in Wisconsin [10], and still claiming Michigan [16]

    They are by separated by a little over 10,000 votes with about 600,000 cast for each.

    No more results expected from Clark (Las Vegas) and Washoe (Reno) counties.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  117. @115 There’s ways to obscure the actual vote itself and still confirm the users at the user end to the back end.

    You can programmically do that no problem. Hell, the blockchain technology could be used as well.

    The only thing that wouldn’t be anonymous is whether or not you’ve actually voted.

    whembly (c30c83)

  118. Other than the national popular vote part, we’re already there. Thinking we’re going back to what we had, plus any semblance of voter ID, is the pipe dream.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 11/5/2020 @ 12:43 pm

    There was a time when Democrats could get behind a National ID system, but now, no way.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  119. @108 Sammy – It’s the gift that opened the door for a boatload of fake ballots being wheeled in/harvested on election day/night. No signature check, No return address, no postmark. I have no specific proof that it happened in significant numbers. I have deep (state) suspicions.

    This does bring up a point not being addressed by our intrepid media: Just what would be involved in any given conspiracy to get ahold of blank ballots, vote them, and then transport them. Just how many folks would be in on such? The Veritas dude had video of such a conspiracist/operator in Minnesota. But, I really do wonder how big or alternatively, closely held this type of fraud would have to be.

    The Nevada issue of non-residents voting is very real. But, here again, once the ballots are separated from the envelopes and mixed in, there is no way to spoil them.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  120. There was a time when Democrats could get behind a National ID system, but now, no way.

    Compromise is about getting people to agree to some things they don’t want to get other things they do.

    Combine Voter ID with popular election of the president, and many Dems might support it as an overall improvement.

    Dave (1bb933)

  121. @59 See that’s really weird to me. Why only vote for President?

    whembly (c30c83) — 11/5/2020 @ 11:21 am

    I recently started dating a Chinese woman who immigrated to the U.S. thirty years ago. She told me that she used to go to the polls only to vote in the Presidential race. I suspect that many immigrants do the same. They’re not dialed in enough to care about state and local races, but the Presidential race gets a lot of attention. And, in the case of Chinese people, it’s natural to think that everything depends on who is at the top.

    norcal (a5428a)

  122. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z92avHmgDRA

    Still counting, still counting, still counting . . .

    Facts are simple and facts are straight
    Facts are lazy and facts are late
    Facts all come with points of view
    Facts don’t do what I want them to
    Facts just twist the truth around
    Facts are living turned inside out
    Facts are getting the best of them
    Facts are nothing on the face of things
    Facts don’t stain the furniture
    Facts go out and slam the door
    Facts are written all over your face
    Facts continue to change their shape

    Still counting . . .

    The odd irony of this election is that Biden could lose Pennsylvania and still win the election. Trump absolutely must win Pennsylvania to win the the election. Hence, the hysterics and dystopia.

    As more and more mail-in ballots are counted, Biden eats away at Trump’s lead in several states. He’s ahead in Arizona and Nevada, and gaining in Georgia and Pennsylvania. But there remains several hundred ballots to count. We won’t know the outcome until maybe Friday, probably not until next week.

    Trump’s lawsuits are frivolous, flimsy and hollow. They’re not going anywhere. His whining and complaining about voter fraud, illegitimacy and theft, are the cries of a spoiled child. His threats are empty. No one cares anymore. He is a has been, soon to be out of office. People are tired of him.

    As things look now, Biden will win the presidency, but not with a mandate. The Republicans will gain a few seats in the House, but not enough to gain a majority. The Senate may end up tied or with a very slim Republican majority.

    In other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything. The far left agenda has been rejected, as has the far right agenda. So the American people decided to take a breather and evaluate. Their main concern is the pandemic, because the economy cannot recover unless we constrain the coronavirus.

    As long a Trump is out office, I’m fine with that. I’ll give the incoming administration and congress two years to correct the horrific mistakes of the Trump administration. Otherwise, the midterms will be brutal, and 2024 will be up for grabs.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  123. Believe it or not, Gawain’s Ghost, there are people (presumably) writing in the English language and everything, who claim that the Democrats, Biden included, would have done better if they had gone farther to the left. SMH

    nk (1d9030)

  124. In other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything.

    Thank God. Do we really need more government in our lives?

    norcal (a5428a)

  125. @114. Actually, have, nk; forty years ahead of you: first job at Panasonic was literally translating what the company called called ‘Japlish’ into colloquial English.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  126. 111.Especially before hitting the casino.

    Nickel slots; complimentary buffet; bus home.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  127. This comes after The New York Times on Wednesday similarly reported that “in private lately [Trump] has broached the idea of running again in 2024″ and for months, he’s reportedly suggested, at times jokingly, that he might “promptly announce that he was running again” were he to lose.

    Dallas was rebooted and J.R. Ewing had his last run as well.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  128. CNN so wants Trump to lose. It’s hilarious.

    Election night ratings said it all: Fox won, CNN a lagging second, MSNBC literally half of what Fox drew in third.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  129. I think there’s an opportunity for some compromises. For example, nailing down the size of the Supreme Court while dealing with situations like Garland. Such as:

    1. The Supreme Court shall consist of nine Justices.

    2. When an Executive or Judicial office requiring the consent of the Senate occurs, and the President submits a name for the Senate’s consideration, and 180 days has passed since the day the Senate has received the nomination, consent is granted unless the Senate has previously determined the issue.

    3. If the current term of Congress ends prior to 180 days, without consent being determined, the nomination expires.

    4. Nothing in this admendment shall be construed to alter the President’s power to make temporary appointments during the recess of the Senate.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  130. Dallas was rebooted and J.R. Ewing had his last run as well.

    It ended badly for J.R.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  131. there are people (presumably) writing in the English language and everything, who claim that the Democrats, Biden included, would have done better if they had gone farther to the left.

    The fact that it’s semantically impossible, even for the most MAGA butt gerbil, to formulate a sentence expressing the analogous but opposite opinion about Trump (i.e. that he would have done better to run farther to the right) is even more telling…

    Dave (1bb933)

  132. Combine Voter ID with popular election of the president

    The two issues have totally different weights. That’s like saying “Combine a higher minimum wage with banning abortion.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  133. In other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything.

    Well, strap me to the Monty Python and the Holy Grail catapult and hurl me into the castle behind Ingraham: by 2022, Congress can- and will- change again, esecialy w/a President Kamala Harris in charge by then.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  134. @130. But he had his second run. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. President Trump to speak at 6:30 PM, EST.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  136. Uday is displeased:

    Donald Trump Jr.
    @DonaldJTrumpJr
    ·
    2h
    The total lack of action from virtually all of the “2024 GOP hopefuls” is pretty amazing.

    They have a perfect platform to show that they’re willing & able to fight but they will cower to the media mob instead.

    Don’t worry @realDonaldTrump will fight & they can watch as usual!

    Dave (1bb933)

  137. Since #66, they have counted 43,016 ballots and the spread between Biden and Trump has narrowed by 27,000 votes. I guess it depends on where those votes came from and how much of the votes outside Biden’s core areas are from Democrats. 2/3ds of absentee votes came from registered Democrats, but we have to assume they mostly came from places where Democrats predominate since there is no wild difference between 2016 and 2020 results by county.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  138. Still, that much movement cannot be good for Trump.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  139. Oh please, the runt protesteth too much, according to several people, he was the least confident in his dad’s reelection and was passing around a #____Jr2024 days before the election.

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  140. I thought he was Qusay. Or is he the one married to Trumpirella.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  141. I thought he was Qusay. Or is he the one married to Trumpirella.

    Jr. and Uday were the elder sons, and the playboys.

    Qusay was the political heir, though, so it’s a subject on which reasonable people may differ.

    Dave (1bb933)

  142. @138.Still, that much movement cannot be good for Trump.

    “It ain’t over ’til it’s over-easy with a side of bacon and my overly buttered English muffin.” – Yogi Biden

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  143. Fun fact: I found out the other day that Ivanka’s real name isn’t Ivanka, but Ivana.

    The “-ka” of course is a diminutive slavic ending. Hence, “Little Ivana”.

    I knew that but thought it was her real name.

    Dave (1bb933)

  144. President Trump to speak at 6:30 PM, EST.

    I’m giddy with anticipation.

    Dave (1bb933)

  145. Were those “President only” ballots only for Biden, or did Trump get some too? Cause I’m wondering how many disgruntled Bernie Bros, Greens, and other assorted Left thought it smart to protest Biden by voting for Trump.

    nk (1d9030)

  146. Combine Voter ID with popular election of the president, and many Dems might support it as an overall improvement.

    I don’t see the Dems taking that deal because they only get one thing they want out of the compromise – popular election of the president. On the other hand, Voter ID (presumably through a national ID card), hurts them on several fronts – ID cards disenfranchise the poor, illegal immigrants, stave off graft, etc.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  147. Best case scenario for the GOP is a 51 seat majority. Guess what that does?

    It gives Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, a veto over every floor vote.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  148. At this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  149. Channeling my inner harkin:

    Nikki Haley @NikkiHaley
    2h

    We all owe @realDonaldTrump for his leadership of conservative victories for Senate, House, & state legislatures. He and the American people deserve transparency & fairness as the votes are counted. The law must be followed. We have to keep the faith that the truth will prevail.

    —-

    Matt Gaetz @mattgaetz
    US House candidate, FL-1
    2h
    While some of us are fighting for President Trump…

    Nikki Haley is eulogizing him.

    Sad!

    ——

    The Hoarse Whisperer @TheRealHoarse
    51m

    The utterly predictable end of the Trump presidency:

    Nikki Haley fleeing the body; Matt Gaetz humping the corpse.

    Dave (1bb933)

  150. Best case (and probably most likely) is 52-48 for the GOP, isn’t it?

    Dave (1bb933)

  151. I’m giddy with anticipation.

    You should be; so far, best Queeg impersonation since Bogie.

    Oscar be damned; give him that Emmy!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  152. 3500 vote margin now in GA…

    Dave (1bb933)

  153. @150 – Nope. James losing gives the GOP zero room for error. Harris as Senate President breaks all ties. Assuming a Tillis win, Schumer has 49 votes.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  154. There was nothing good about Trump’s little speech. It was lie after lie, in a pathetic attempt to steal an election by accusing others–without a shred of evidence–of stealing an election. This undermining the integrity of our election system is completely contemptible and condemnable.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  155. Assuming a Tillis win, Schumer has 49 votes.

    I think you’re mistaken. In called races (including MI), it is 48-48 right now.

    NC, two seats in GA, and AK remain.

    The GOP is leading in NC, and AK is not in doubt. The GOP would also favored in the two GA runoffs, although they aren’t a sure thing.

    Dave (1bb933)

  156. It was lie after lie, in a pathetic attempt to steal an election by accusing others–without a shred of evidence–of stealing an election. This undermining the integrity of our election system is completely contemptible and condemnable.

    In other words, pretty much what MAGA Nation voted for.

    Dave (1bb933)

  157. PA now within less than 1%.

    Dave (1bb933)

  158. It gives Romney, Collins, and Murkowski, a veto over every floor vote.

    Ed from SFV (f64387) — 11/5/2020 @ 3:53 pm

    In that case, get ready for more bridges to nowhere.

    norcal (a5428a)

  159. Xi is the smiling one; Putin is outright laughing.

    Perhaps, but the people of those countries know that we really take this thing seriously. If either side was actually caught cheating, as policy, the people would unite against them. Even the Great Trump.

    As for those under Xi, and probably Putin, they don’t have to worry about choosing their leadership. We may do a crappy job of it, but they aren’t even asked.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  160. The fact that it’s semantically impossible, even for the most MAGA butt gerbil, to formulate a sentence expressing the analogous but opposite opinion about Trump (i.e. that he would have done better to run farther to the right)

    Well, you must not know where the “right” is, or you just don’t think that Trump’s supporters can form sentences. Trump isn’t even conservative. Ask our host.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  161. We all owe @realDonaldTrump for his leadership of conservative victories for Senate, House, & state legislatures.

    Said the lady ready to pick up the policy mantle, if not Trump’s Bag of Hammers brain trust.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  162. PA is not updating their dashboard, so it’s really ahrd to tell what they have counted and what they have not. They also say that some counties have not reported their updates (these are not the Philly counties).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  163. the right is nothing more or less than what flows out of president donalds facial sphincter mr kevin

    Dave (1bb933)

  164. @159. They know suckers when they see them– and how to play them. If they want a President Harris to outwit- just overstress the multiple brain-surgeried JoeyBee into stroke city.

    Biden turns 78 years old in just 15 days.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  165. President Trump to speak at 6:30 PM, EST.

    Sadly, he has ordered General James Matoon Scott to activate ECOMMCON, in order to stop the vicious rumor-mongering among dangerous elements hidden among us. Also, all fluoridation of water must stop to preserve our precious bodily fluids.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  166. At this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.

    “Trump Russia collusion”

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  167. “I agree that is odd. If I went to the trouble of voting this year (of course I did), am masked up or filling out a mail-in ballot, why not finish the ballot? I have left races blank many times, but it’s never occurred to me to just vote president and not for more of the other races.

    On the other hand, a few people will do odd stuff. Interesting the GOP gained in the house and lost the presidency.”

    Yes, a ‘few’ people. But when it’s late at night and you’re pressed for time and the Zoom orders go out and you’re not thinking straight, you might, in fact, do something stupid on a scale no normal person would do! Especially when you’re expendable and no one’s going to risk themselves checking!

    This was very obviously a clumsy midnight steal attempt, it’s well past time to CLEAN THE ROLLS, and the Democrats have provided us with the perfect excuse to do so and a man motivated enough to do it thoroughly.

    Chaddicus (10e327)

  168. the right is nothing more or less than what flows out of president donalds facial sphincter mr kevin

    That he can’t tell it from Shinola is obvious. That you can’t is sad.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  169. It was lie after lie, in a pathetic attempt to steal an election by accusing others–without a shred of evidence–of stealing an election. This undermining the integrity of our election system is completely contemptible and condemnable.

    pee dossier

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  170. One of the things I like about NM is that there are NO non-partisan races. Such honesty.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  171. The fivethirtyeight livecast seems to have pretty up to date info, Kevin. This is from 20 minutes ago:

    Here in Pennsylvania, Trump’s margin continues to narrow, with ballot counts updating in multiple counties, including a bunch from Philadelphia; his lead now stands at 64,237 votes. On its own, Philadelphia should still have something at or above 60,000 mail ballots left to count. Allegheny County (Pittsburgh) has 35,000 mail ballots it is legally not allowed to count until tomorrow. And the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette’s Julian Routh estimated less than an hour ago that there were on the order of at least 255,000 mail ballots still outstanding statewide, although that number has dropped since. And there are provisional ballots still to count as well.

    Dave (1bb933)

  172. This election was stolen by Covid, if you want to be honest about it. Despite his stunningly clownish response to the virus, Trump nearly wins. Suppose it had been an otherwise normal year.

    Of course, one might also ask “why on earth did we almost elect a guy who couldn’t deal with a manageable crisis?” We should have docked his pay.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  173. Tim Alberta
    @TimAlberta

    I mean, if you spend all your time around people who won’t believe a word of what Trump just said, good for you. But that’s not the real world. 70 million people just voted for a man who insists that our elections are rigged. Many of those people will believe him. It’s harrowing.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    So he’s Hillary Clinton.
    __ _

    Benjamin Morris
    @skepticalsports

    At least she conceded that she lost when it was obvious she lost.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Hillary Clinton said *last week* the election was stolen from her and he was an illegitimate president and you guys said jack sh*t about it.
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze

    You guys did this to yourselves. You could have condemned this kind of stuff for the last four years but you didn’t. In case you haven’t noticed from Tuesday’s results, no one is listening to you anymore.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  174. Well, you must not know where the “right” is, or you just don’t think that Trump’s supporters can form sentences.

    Depends how you define “right” and “left.” There are distinct vectors of ideology and partisanship that get sloppily intermingled when we talk about how right or left somebody is. On the one hand it’s true, he has no consistent right-left ideology. His only ideology is what profits or flatters Donald Trump. But on the partisanship vector, he’s is the God-King of extremists who define their politics by hostility to liberals and Democrats. In that sense he’s extremely right wing.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  175. Governor Kristi Noem
    @govkristinoem
    ·
    South Dakota requires voter ID (even for early voting.) Ballots must be received on or by Election Day. All paper ballots, which are easy to verify. Counting is bipartisan and open to the public.

    We have an EXCELLENT system. Every Democrat-run state should imitate it.
    __

    lol if you think Dems want an excellent system.
    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  176. @159- postscript. One of the more admirable accolades grudgingly granted to the ‘ugly Americans’ by foreigners I recall from my time living -not visiting- overseas was America’s ‘can-do,’ hurry up and get it done zest for accomplishments; the young-minded forward moving energy of its people and leaders. That’s been evaporating for several cycles now as the rebuilt world simply nods, and passes by. Even running Biden is just another benchmark of that passing. It’s rather sad. But inevitable. The American Empire is following a similar pattern to the British Empire as it began to wane 125 years ago. It’s not a perfect overlay- but the patterns are in place. Kamala, AOC, Bernie– even ol’Biden are poised the move the next pieces.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  177. I watched that to see if the Donald was ordering out the troops. I was relieved to see he was just wasting time with lies.

    I would love to have Georgia — with a GOP Secretary of State running the show — be the state that puts Biden over. Margin of Trump over Biden is now less than 4,000 votes.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  178. Hillary Clinton said *last week* the election was stolen from her and he was an illegitimate president and you guys said jack sh*t about it.

    Damn that Clinton, undermining America’s confidence in the Russian intelligence services!

    Dave (1bb933)

  179. @165. Nah. That was pure Queeg: “They fought me at every turn! I tried to reason with them,but they wouldn’t listen…” etc.,etc.

    All that was missing was the rolling of the little metal marbles.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  180. @72. Well, it’s not over yet. But the door is closing.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  181. ^172.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  182. The fivethirtyeight geeks think Biden is pretty much certain to win GA:

    Folks, Biden just managed to net votes out of mail-in ballots in *Forsyth*, which is a massively red county that Trump is winning by 34% overall.

    It’s also Georgia’s red county with the biggest number of ballots left. And yet Biden won this batch by 5%. Mail is very blue indeed.

    (Nate Silver): One thing to consider about mail ballots is that the share of mail ballots that go Democratic doesn’t vary that dramatically relative to Democrats’ overall share of the vote in that county. In a county that’s 20 points more Democratic than the state, Democrats might win the mail vote by 40 points, say. But in a county that’s 2 points more Republican than the state, they might still win the mail vote by 30 points or something. This may not seem intuitive, so here’s a little thought experiment to help explain it. Think of a state where only Democrats vote by mail. In such a state, 100 percent of the mail ballots will be for Democrats in every county by definition, regardless of how Democratic or Republican it is, so the share is exactly the same from county to county. The difference is that in the predominantly Democratic counties, there will be lots of mail ballots, and in the Republican ones, there won’t be that many.

    Dave (1bb933)

  183. So is our Boer War in the lower 48, in a territory, or on foreign land with our bases?

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  184. What a shameful display that was.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  185. At this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.

    Indeed.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  186. > Hillary Clinton said *last week* the election was stolen from her and he was an illegitimate president and you guys said jack sh*t about it.

    It’s almost as if the standards of behavior for a President and for a failed Presidential candidate are different, and it’s almost as if a President’s behavior has an impact on the public beyond the impact that a candidate has.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  187. “pee dossier”

    “Hillary Clinton”

    Just imagine what Trump could have done if he didn’t like with every breath.

    Davethulhu (097dec)

  188. Davethulhu (097dec) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:00 pm

    Autocorrect to the rescue! 😉

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  189. It’s almost as if the standards of behavior for a President and for a failed Presidential candidate are different, and it’s almost as if a President’s behavior has an impact on the public beyond the impact that a candidate has.

    It’s almost as if the last four years never happened.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  190. It’s almost as if the standards of behavior for a President and for a failed Presidential candidate are different, and it’s almost as if a President’s behavior has an impact on the public beyond the impact that a candidate has.

    aphrael (4c4719) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:58 pm

    To say nothing of the fact that Hillary has become a bitter, reclusive, enfeebled drunk with zero coattails.

    I have friends who still shout, ‘lock her up!’ I tell ’em, HRC doesn’t need to be locked up. Every day she wakes up, she’s in hell.

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  191. Patterico —

    I have lost my capacity to be outraged by Trump. I can only be relieved that he seemed depressed and kind of low energy. Of course he lied and blamed everyone else. That’s what spoiled toddlers do.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  192. there were on the order of at least 255,000 mail ballots still outstanding statewide, although that number has dropped since. And there are provisional ballots still to count as well.

    Yes, but about 90% of the counties in the state are R+40.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  193. #193

    I am sure ACB enjoys being reminded that she’s supposed to be bought and paid for.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  194. Trump lawyer: “And hopefully Amy Coney Barrett will come through.”

    Speaking of lies, she is not a Trump lawyer.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  195. Mr M wrote:

    There’s a large segment of voters who DON’T votes because they feel that their votes don’t matter in extreme partisan state.

    I am willing to bet that GOP participation on the Left Coast was lower than Democrat participation.

    I had thought that most of the Left Coast conservatives had moved to Texas.

    The locked-in partisan states allow the luxury of voting for a third party candidate. I was able to vote for Gary Johnson in 2016 and Jo Jorgensen this year because I knew my vote didn’t matter. In the direct vote races here, for senator, congressman, state senator and state representative, though there were Libertarian Party nominees for each race, my vote counted in a way in which I could not, and did not, risk giving the Democratic nominee a chance.

    Fortunately, all of the Republican candidates on my ballot won quite easily.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  196. I’m pretty sure that ACB will vote against Trump if she sees the case that way, and recuse herself if she doesn’t. Unless it’s something outrageous like filmed ballot stuffing.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  197. Speaking of lies, she is not a Trump lawyer.

    LOL.

    Harmeet Dhillon | Lawyers for Trump Co-Chair Committeewoman: “I will tell you that in Pennsylvania, we have hundreds of lawyers…”

    Dave (1bb933)

  198. What a shameful display that was.

    Nixon, who actually was cheated in 1960 (although the cheating did not cause his loss), never said a thing, took the loss and planned for the future. Yes, he got a bit testy after losing in CA in ’62, but it was the press he took it out on, and they probably deserved it.

    But he is doing one good thing here: he is making it easy for the Party to disown him, if it ever finds the nerve. Even his supporters cannot like what they see.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  199. “I have lost my capacity to be outraged by Trump.”

    Good, now you can start to feel normal human feelings instead of manufactured outrage again.

    “At this moment, the President is once again shamelessly disseminating disinformation about the election, in the process undermining confidence in the most essential pillar of our constitutional republic. What an odious POS.”

    This lawyer wants us to think that a boring but serious list of well-documented abuses and usurpations is more suspicious and undermining to a testimony than hourlong gaps, constantly changing stories, and constant denials of leave to observe the evidence.

    Sneaky Votesack (0d7ebb)

  200. Yes Dave, you confirmed she doesn’t represent Trump.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  201. It’s almost as if the last four years never happened.

    If only. Me, I am still looking for the door to the world where Romney is finishing his second term, South Korea is picking up the pieces of the north, the Dow is at 40,000 and Trump is rotting in jail for bank fraud.

    I may get some of those eventually.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  202. But on the partisanship vector, he’s is the God-King of extremists who define their politics by hostility to liberals and Democrats. In that sense he’s extremely right wing.

    “Right” is not the same as “opposes the Left.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  203. In video interview, Steve Bannon calls for Trump to behead Fauci and FBI Director Wray, and put their heads on pikes outside the White House:

    Bannon started off by saying that Trump’s “second term kicks off with firing Wray, firing Fauci.”

    “Now I actually want to go a step farther but the president is a kind-hearted man and a good man. I want to go back to the old times of Tudor England,” the former Trump aide said.

    “I’d put the heads on pikes, right, I would put them on the two corners of the White House as a warning to federal bureaucrats—you either get with the program or you’re gone. Time to stop playing games.”

    This guy had an office in the West Wing just a couple years ago…

    Dave (1bb933)

  204. Again, I think it’s even money that Trump leaves office early.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  205. Yes Dave, you confirmed she doesn’t represent Trump.

    LOL.

    Dave (1bb933)

  206. I want to go back to the old times of Tudor England

    I’m not aware of a lot of heads/pikes/walls in Tudor England. Heads, yes. Burning at the stake, yes. But not that meme.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  207. Romney calm, reliable, and spot-on:

    Counting every vote is at the heart of democracy.That process is long and for those running, often frustrating. The votes will be counted. If there are irregularities alleged, they will be investigated and ultimately resolved in our courts. Have faith in our democracy, in our Constitution, and in the American people.

    Dana (6995e0)

  208. The Ghost of Mr Gawain wrote:

    In other words, this will be a transitional administration, unable to really accomplish anything.

    Sadly, I think you’re wrong, as Presidents Obama and Trump both proved, a lot, far too much, can be accomplished by decree executive order. Mr Biden won’t be able to repeal the Hyde Amendment, banning the use of federal funds to pay for abortions without Congress, but he can change the government’s policies to require Catholic nuns to provide health insurance which covers abortion. Watch for the repugnant “dreamers” executive order to be restored.

    President Trump issued the executive order banning so-called ‘bump stocks,’ which tells us that incoming President Biden could issue his own executive orders doing all sorts of mischief to our Second Amendment rights, and even if the Supreme Court eventually ruled such unconstitutional, it would take years for such cases to work their way through the federal courts, years in which our rights would be violated.

    Without any action by Congress, President Trump seriously weakened ObysmalCare; President Biden — and how I despise typing that name — can just as easily change executive policies to restore as much of ObaminableCare as possible.

    President Obama’s foreign policy was very much anti-Israel, while Mr Trump was the most pro-Israel President we’ve ever had. What Mr Biden will do, we just don’t know, but the Democratic Party in general is far too pro-Palestinian.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  209. Hmmmmm

    “How does Mike Pence stay so calm and polite even though he is actually way more conservative than Trump? He’s pretty much a fundamentalist right winger.”

    https://qr.ae/pNgkF6

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  210. qdpsteve wrote:

    I have friends who still shout, ‘lock her up!’ I tell ’em, HRC doesn’t need to be locked up. Every day she wakes up, she’s in hell.

    One wonders: will she expect to return to her job as Secretary of State under Mr Biden?

    And though we didn’t lock up any of the pre-Trump Democrats, we can count on the left — and I suspect a few of the Never Trump conservatives — to scream “Lock him up!” about President Trump after he leaves office.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  211. And those campus inquisitions will resume.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  212. *sigh*

    > An election judge supervisor who had tested positive for COVID-19 broke quarantine, worked on Election Day and has since died, St. Charles County health officials said Thursday.

    https://www.stltoday.com/news/local/stcharles/st-charles-county-poll-worker-tested-positive-for-covid-19-worked-election-day-and-has/article_f1020900-1956-5456-9340-fb379d4482bb.html

    aphrael (4c4719)

  213. Kevin M, just have to say, it’s refreshing to read someone who’s anti-Trump but can still stay fair-minded about him, his admin and accomplishments (or lack thereof).

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  214. we can count on the left — and I suspect a few of the Never Trump conservatives — to scream “Lock him up!” about President Trump

    Trump is going to have few friends in either party come next March as they clean out the stables. ANd if he keeps talking about running again in 2024, he may have none at all.

    Luckily for everyone else he is making himself a laughingstock, a cry-baby isn’t what those manly men who seem to support him seek in a leader.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  215. I’m not aware of a lot of heads/pikes/walls in Tudor England. Heads, yes. Burning at the stake, yes. But not that meme.

    Thomas More’s head was displayed on a pike above London Bridge for a month after Henry removed it.

    Dave (1bb933)

  216. It’s refreshing to read someone who’s anti-Trump but can still stay fair-minded about him, his admin and accomplishments (or lack thereof).

    Oh, I can lose it on a bad day, and I have trouble being objective when Trump starts talking about haunting the rest of us forever.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  217. Thomas More’s head was displayed on a pike above London Bridge for a month after Henry removed it.

    More deserved it. Book-and-blasphemer-burner. Sure he stood up against Henry for “principle” but he also burned a lot of heretics for principle, too.

    As for the heads and pikes, it’s not what comes to mind about that period.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  218. 122. Gawain’s Ghost (b25cd1) — 11/5/2020 @ 2:22 pm

    But there remains several hundred ballots to count.

    The several hundred (only) are the number of ballots some election official in Pensylvania said – I’m not sure exactly what , but I think came in/would come in and would be counted only because of the court decision. That means I think delivered from Wednesday November 4 through Friday November 6, but without postmarks. November 4, of course, almost had to be put in the mail no later than November 3.

    There are plenty of other mail in ballots that need to wait so that provisional ballots can be checked against them.

    Trump’s lawsuits are frivolous, flimsy and hollow.

    Mostly. What is not frivolous is probably trivial.

    They’re not going anywhere. His whining and complaining about voter fraud, illegitimacy and theft, are the cries of a spoiled child. His threats are empty. No one cares anymore. He is a has been, soon to be out of office. People are tired of him.

    Nobody is going to help him damage government of the people.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  219. Over at Powerline, Steven Hayward has a good line about the grifters of the Lincoln Project:

    Has it occurred to anyone on the left that the Lincoln Project was actually a false flag operation from the beginning, intended to soak up millions of liberal dollars that might have been more productively spent on important races. Like the Kentucky and South Carolina Senate races. Nah. Republicans could never be that devious. Could they?

    The post points out that Trump won 93% of the Republican vote this year, up from 90% four years ago. The idea that a bunch of “Biden Republicans” were created seems to be a myth. But hey, all those Lincoln Project guys got paid, didn’t they?

    JVW (ee64e4)

  220. Things Trump did well:

    1. Betsy DeVos.
    2. Judges.
    3. Shelter-in-Mexico border policy.
    4. Killing ISIS.
    5. Israel.

    Things he did poorly: Everything he turned his mind to, rather than letting grownups handle.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  221. @183. Well, ‘Perpetual Afghanistan’ has some rhyme to it. Up the Khyber Pass and so forth.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  222. But on the partisanship vector, he’s is the God-King of extremists who define their politics by hostility to liberals and Democrats. In that sense he’s extremely right wing.

    “Right” is not the same as “opposes the Left.”
    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 11/5/2020 @ 5:30 pm

    Depends who you ask. Lots of people do use the term that way. Same for “Left” equaling “opposes the Right.”

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  223. all those Lincoln Project guys got paid, didn’t they?

    Those are the same guys who get paid in every election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  224. Depends who you ask.

    I try to be selective in who I ask questions of.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  225. Kevin, I would add, stimulus relief this past summer.
    Too bad there probably won’t ever be a Part II on that, but oh well.

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  226. @209 No one is required (or has been required) to have health plans that pay for abortion.

    Nic (896fdf)

  227. Twitter just banned Bannon’s account, the one that called for the murders of Fauci and Wray.
    Swell guy. I hope there’s enough evidence to convict and jail him.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  228. Georgia is at +3500 for Trump with only three counties left to go and a swing somewhere between 2000 and 5000 votes towards Biden depending on the mix of the remaining ballots.

    Out of 5 million votes. If it matters it will have to be recounted; a margin less than 0.1% is an automatic recount everywhere.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  229. but it was the press he took it out on, and they probably deserved it.

    Not quite- his career is loaded w/Tricky Dick stuff; Gahaghan… his treason through Chenault and, of course, putting America through hell hiding what he knew the Pentagon Papers revealed, went into Cambodia and Laos, got 30,000 Americans killed for nothing, and, of course, his Watergate crimes. No apologies for The Big Dick, please.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  230. @224. Those are the same guys who get paid in every election.

    Just like pollsters.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  231. Kevin, I would add, stimulus relief this past summer.

    I would not — his contribution was to muddle. I might give him points for blocking Pelosi’s bail-out-the-pensions “stimulus relief” recently. Mucking things up in chaos is his superpower.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  232. Only idiots blame Nixon for Vietnam. Some pooches come screwed.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  233. 208.Romney calm, reliable, and spot-on…

    Dogs disagree.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  234. 226, a lot of that was prodded on by Steve Mnuchin, who didnt initially strike me as that type with his stern stewardship of IndyMac bank during the Great Recession.

    urbanleftbehind (386524)

  235. @233. Only fools make excuses The Big Dick and hs responsibility for half the dead and the hell he caused on his watch, Kevin. Don’t play the fool, Kevin–you’re smarter than that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  236. I received this e-mail from a friend today:

    Let me recap what I have told you for months:

    The election was going to be close. It would not be decided on election night. It will take over a month to be decided in court. The national polls were all wrong. The popular vote would go to Biden by 2 to 3 points. The Dems would retain the house and Republicans would pick up seats in the lower chamber. The Republicans would retain the Senate and the Dems would pick seats in the upper chamber. Trump would get 10% to 20% of the black vote. Trump would improve his vote totals among Hispanics and Asians. There would be rampant fraud by Democrats in swing states. (I believe there is and will be proof of such in Michigan, Wisconsin, Nevada, Pennsylvania and Georgia and possibly even in North Carolina and Arizona.)

    Nowhere am I wrong. I know absolutely nobody who had this many points as accurate as I have. Now, I still am sticking by my call that Trump will be the person sworn-in as President when this all gets shaken out eventually, by the Supreme Court.

    I should be working for the networks and maybe create my own polling company!

    norcal (a5428a)

  237. It’ll be over in about three hours. Trump’s lead is only 2,497, and there are 5,726 votes remaining in Clayton County, which has voted 80% Biden. Using 75%, Biden will be ahead by around 300 votes, and with all the trends still pointing in his direction.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  238. I hope there’s enough evidence to convict and jail him.
    Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:03 pm

    I assume (and hope) you mean for his fraud and money-laundering, not for his idiotic and obnoxious hyperbole.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  239. Worm wriggling on hook.

    nk (1d9030)

  240. @238. … and heart-beat-away-Harris smiled.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  241. Georgia is another state where the Green Party was kept off the ballot.

    In 2016, Stein was on the ballot in 44 states. In 2020, Hawkins only got on 28 — because the Dems are all about voting rights, or something.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  242. Biden leading by 503 votes in Georgia? And after Kemp went to all the trouble to flood the Fulton County (that’s Atlanta) election offices, too. He should have flooded the post offices, that’s where the Biden ballots are coming from.

    nk (1d9030)

  243. It’ll be over in about three hours.

    So it looks like Biden is headed for at least 306 electoral votes.

    306. Landslide. Blowout. Historic.

    Somehow Biden has equaled President Trump’s historic landslide in 2016!

    Dave (1bb933)

  244. Don’t play the fool, Kevin–you’re smarter than that.

    And yet I argue with one.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  245. A country that re-elects the likes of Lindsey Graham deserves to have it’s ass kicked into the middle of the next decade.

    The Ukraine awaits; ‘Tanks a lot,’ says Vlad.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  246. @245. Then put down the mirror, sweetie.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  247. JVW wrote:

    Has it occurred to anyone on the left that the Lincoln Project was actually a false flag operation from the beginning, intended to soak up millions of liberal dollars that might have been more productively spent on important races. Like the Kentucky and South Carolina Senate races. Nah. Republicans could never be that devious. Could they?

    The post points out that Trump won 93% of the Republican vote this year, up from 90% four years ago. The idea that a bunch of “Biden Republicans” were created seems to be a myth. But hey, all those Lincoln Project guys got paid, didn’t they?

    Here in the Bluegrass State, Amy McGrath Henderson blew $88 million, versus $55 million for Mitch McConnell, and wound up with the worst performance of any of Mr McConnell’s previous opponents save the sacrificial lamb candidate of 2002, Lois Combs Weinberg.

    96.9% of McGrath’s campaign donations have come from outside of Kentucky, with folks associated with the University of California at the top of her top 20 contributors with $109,857.

    Mrs Henderson has proved to be a fund-raising machine; she outraised, and outspent, Rep Andy Barr (R-KY 6th District) $8.2 million to $5.5 million in her 2018 campaign, but won the silver medal in that race, too.

    The Kentucky Senate race was always a foregone conclusion. Mitch McConnell has never lost an election, and Mrs Henderson, a loser in the Commonwealth’s second most liberal district, never had a chance statewide.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  248. It’ll be over in about three hours. Trump’s lead is only 2,497

    It cannot be decided by a literal handful of votes in 5 million. No counting system is that good, and the uncertainty on signatures matching is at least 1%. If Georgia decides it, we are in for a recount. My guess is Trump won’t concede.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  249. I assume (and hope) you mean for his fraud and money-laundering, not for his idiotic and obnoxious hyperbole.

    Exactly. The man is literally and criminally indicted.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  250. So it looks like Biden is headed for at least 306 electoral votes.

    Don’t you mean at most? And I suspect he loses AZ, so my bet is 295.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  251. @245. Nixon’s War (1969–70) | Encyclopedia.com

    http://www.encyclopedia.com

    “You fool! To cross da vire ist death!” — ‘The Great Escape’ 1963

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  252. I kind of noticed that the seasoned professional political class handily kicked butt across the board against ambitious young upstarts, Dana in Kentucky.

    nk (1d9030)

  253. CNN reporting Biden’s lead in Arizona is narrowing. Don’t know if there are enough outstanding ballots to swing the state, but CNN doesn’t sound confident.

    Hoi Polloi (66077a)

  254. My God. Ted Cruz is on Fox defending Trump’s presser today. Can The Donald have him and Lindsey surgically removed from his rectum at Walter Reed before he leaves office?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  255. @254. The fella at Fox who called it is likely sweating bullets.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  256. In AZ, where they will not report again until morning, they have 200,000 votes to count and Biden’s lead has slipped to about 46,000. I am effing amazed at all the people who can psychically count, or perhaps manipulate ballots with their minds to get the result the want.

    Georgia is so close it must be recounted. Nevada might be callable soon for Biden. NC should have been called for Trump yesterday. PA may make it all moot if it goes for Biden decisively, but it looks like it’s headed for a recount, too.

    THIS WILL TAKE TIME.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  257. No counting system is that good

    From your post to Deutsche Bank’s ears.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  258. Recent updates from NYT:

    Alicia Parlapiano, in Washington 17m ago:

    Maricopa County will post its next report Friday at 11 a.m. ET. Officials there say they have 204,000 more early ballots to process, and a smaller number of provisional and other ballots.

    Alicia Parlapiano, in Washington 26m ago:

    With the update we just got from Maricopa County, Biden’s margin over Trump in Arizona has narrowed to 1.5 points from 2.4 points this morning. About 46,000 votes separate them.

    Jennifer Medina, in Phoenix 27m ago:

    With another batch of votes in Maricopa County (Phoenix), Biden’s lead in Arizona has shrunk. These are the last votes expected to be reported by Maricopa tonight.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  259. If Biden holds on in NV and AZ, and completes the comeback in PA and GA, Trump would need to steal at least three states to reverse the outcome.

    I’d say there’s still some chance (but less than 50%) that AZ flips in the final count.

    The others, no way, short of some major mistabulation.

    Dave (1bb933)

  260. @bethanyshondark
    I am enjoying watching Democrats who lived in the depths of the fever swamp of Russian collusion conspiracy theories the last four years accuse Republicans of being conspiracy theorists about voter fraud in PHILADELPHIA.
    4:32 PM · Nov 5, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

    Replying to
    @bethanyshondark
    Yes, the president being a Russian operative is far more likely than Philadelphia engaging in some voter fraud. Go with that.

    This… all of this.

    whembly (c30c83)

  261. Devil’s Advocate time:

    Suppose that Trump really IS being cheated. Even paranoids have enemies. What would have to happen for this to be true. Can a small group create the ballots needed and fool everyone else? Does it require too many folks (making it impossible to keep secret)? Are the news media complicit?

    HOW DEEP DOES THIS CONSPIRACY GO???/??!!11!!!

    (much later)

    Have you ever seen a Commie drink a glass of water, Mandrake?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  262. @257 I think someone reported that if Georgia is less than .5% then it goes to automatic recount.

    Nic (896fdf)

  263. @249 There’s still sizable number of military ballots in GA that hasn’t come in yet.

    The military voters may just be what Trump needs to keep GA.

    whembly (c30c83)

  264. Don’t you mean at most? And I suspect he loses AZ, so my bet is 295.

    The pointy-headed types seem to think Biden can hold on in AZ. But it could certainly go the other way.

    NC has been quiet for days, and while it wasn’t looking good for Biden with the last update, the current conventional wisdom might be based on inaccurate or incomplete information. So I think there’s a slim but non-zero chance of a surprise there.

    Dave (1bb933)

  265. @263 …and if there ARE shenanigans, then the recount/recanvasses would suss out any irregularities.

    Nate Cohn opined that they’re had to have been fraud in Atlanta, so I’m not so sure Democrats really wants any recounts.

    whembly (c30c83)

  266. Let’s sweeten this potboiler and see some Electors bribed!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  267. @264 I think they said they had abt 9,000 that hadn’t come in yet and they need to be in by tomorrow? All the rest had been counted.

    Nic (896fdf)

  268. Here in the Bluegrass State, Amy McGrath Henderson blew $88 million, versus $55 million for Mitch McConnell, and wound up with the worst performance of any of Mr McConnell’s previous opponents save the sacrificial lamb candidate of 2002, Lois Combs Weinberg.

    Jamie Harrison in South Carolina allegedly spent $100 million of New York and California money in his futile attempt to dethrone Lindsey Graham. Unlike Ms. McGrath, Dems (thanks to the usual crappy polling) seemed to think that Mr. Harrison had a chance up until election night.

    Maybe Democrats will now concede that elections really aren’t bought by big money, or at the very least that once you reach the $50 million mark or so that the law of diminishing returns strongly kicks in.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  269. The pre-election polls were about a point better for Biden in NC than in GA, and HRC came a point and a half closer to winning NC than GA.

    So it’s mildly surprising for Biden to be doing better in GA than in NC.

    Dave (1bb933)

  270. @268 Yep, you’re right and tomorrow’s the deadline (that deadline was set by Congress to allow late delivering mil ballots time if I remember correctly). Military ballots are bit of a crapshow though, they ALWAYS have issues with it.

    whembly (c30c83)

  271. Nah. Republicans could never be that devious. Could they?

    An unwavering apologist for Donald J. Trump getting on his high horse about devious Republicans is just the kind of hypocrisy I expect from those quarters.

    And isn’t he aware that the Republican Party has lost members because of its craven capitulation to a moral cretin?

    Radegunda (20775b)

  272. Nate Cohn opined that they’re had to have been fraud in Atlanta

    Source?

    Dave (1bb933)

  273. @272

    And isn’t he aware that the Republican Party has lost members because of its craven capitulation to a moral cretin?

    Radegunda (20775b) — 11/5/2020 @ 6:59 pm

    I’m not sure sure you can say that. The GOP gained at the House and is likely to keep the Senate.

    So, if you’re looking for an repudiation of Trump’s populist message, I don’t think it’s there.

    whembly (c30c83)

  274. @273

    Nate Cohn opined that they’re had to have been fraud in Atlanta

    Source?

    Dave (1bb933) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:00 pm

    twitter last night, I’ll see if I can find it.

    whembly (c30c83)

  275. Trump’s lead in PA is now smaller than his margin of victory there in 2016…

    Dave (1bb933)

  276. What I think will happen:

    NV (6) to Biden soon. 259.
    NC (15) to Trump soon. 229.
    AK (3) to Trump soon. 232.

    At this point, any of AZ, PA or GA gives Biden the WH. Trump of course needs all three.

    GA (16) is now at Trump + 1900 out of 5,000,000 votes cast. Unless someone wins by 25,000 (0.5%), Georgia law allows a recount to be requested. There is no automatic recount.

    AZ (11) is now Biden + 46,000, and continuing to narrow. 204,000 votes to count, possibly more. AZ law says a recount is automatic at 0.1%, or about 3000 votes in this case. No telling where this ends.

    PA (20) is now Trump + 42,000 (6 million cast). They show 208,000 left to go. PA has an automatic recount at 0.5%, or 32,500 votes. Plus or minus.

    I hear all these folks loudly claiming The End is Nigh, but I don’t see it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  277. Things he did poorly: Everything he turned his mind to, rather than letting grownups handle.

    That’s what some former insiders have said: If other people were free to work without interference from Trump, there was a good chance of success. Not so much when he tried to steer things by his “instincts” and “great brain.”

    Radegunda (20775b)

  278. @273 Sorry dave couldn’t find it. I wasn’t sure if I saw that on his twitter feed or on the live-blogging when he was discussing with the other Nate.

    whembly (c30c83)

  279. I know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.

    Nic (896fdf)

  280. Just to recap…
    GOP retains Senate Control.
    GOP gains House seats in a presidential election cycle when the other party won the White House (happens rarely; happened with Trump in 2016 as well).
    GOP gains net one governorship.
    GOP gains control of several key state legislatures, positioning them for redistricting next year (and the SCOTUS has fewer lefties on it so the inevitable Dem “gerrymandering” lawsuits are likely to go nowhere).
    GOP loses Pat Buchanan, who was ideologically inhabiting Trump’s body.
    This was a great election for Republicans. We’ll lose a mentally deranged buffoon in the Oval Office and we gained elsewhere, plus we have a nice 6-3 majority in the Supreme Court. The future is looking a lot brighter for my party, brighter than I would have believed.
    On the other side, the Dems have a smaller majority in the House, with geriatric House leadership, and we’ll have a geriatric president with no mandate to speak of, and a not-very-likable VP who will hopefully stay as VP for the whole term.
    What’s more, the influence of the progressive woke left is diminished because of the slimmer House majority and Biden’s narrow victory.
    Even better, Trump will be a one-term loser and history will look poorly on this time in office, so it’ll suck to be a Trump sycophant or true-believer, including all the elected Republicans who carried his water.
    Things are looking up!

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  281. BTW, the margin in Wisconsin is 20,000 votes out of 3.2 million cast. That’s 0.62%, which would be enough in some states, but not in WI. There, a candidate can request a recount if the margin is less than 1%, which it is. Do you think Trump will waive the recount?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  282. GOP loses Pat Buchanan, who was ideologically inhabiting Trump’s body.

    Pat Buchanan, whatever his faults, was never a stupid man. You libel him here.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  283. gets all the negative Trump attention.

    What is he going to do? Bleed on them?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  284. @282 unless there’s some potential fraud, I don’t think Wisconsin is close enough for a recount. The Madison county liberals really turned out and they’re known for their animus towards GOP. Madison is the “San Francisco” of the north. (with Austin being “San Francisco” of the south).

    whembly (c30c83)

  285. @274

    I’m not sure sure you can say that.

    I said party “members,” not numbers who voted for the party.

    And I’ve seen breakdowns where GOP down-ballot candidates significantly outperformed Trump — demonstrating that a lot of people who generally favor GOP policies do not like Trump. So that looks like R-leaning voters repudiating Trump’s “message.”

    Radegunda (20775b)

  286. @282 unless there’s some potential fraud, I don’t think Wisconsin is close enough for a recount.

    The threshold I see is 1%. Trump would have to PAY for it unless some conditions are met. Recounts can also be ordered with wider margins in the case of fraud. Or I think that’s what the wall of legalese I saw says.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  287. Pat Buchanan, whatever his faults, was never a stupid man. You libel him here.

    Noted. I intended to convey that Buchanan and Trump were in synch on policy, not intellect.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  288. Trump got 11% in SF. He probably did better than that in Austin and probably in Madison.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  289. CA-48
    Coastal Orange County

    Michelle Steel Republican 179,452 50.7 %
    Harley Rouda (i) Democrat 174,678 49.3

    354,130 total votes 97.85% precincts reporting

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  290. CA-39 North Orange Co.

    Young Kim Republican 146,297 50.4 %
    Gil Cisneros(i) Democrat 143,800 49.6
    290,097 total votes 93.22% precincts reporting

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  291. Thomas L. Friedman
    @tomfriedman

    In the 2000 election Al Gore took a bullet for the country. Tonight President Trump put a bullet into the country. Most shameful thing I’ve ever seen.
    __ _

    Geoff Coe
    @wildimagesfla
    ·
    Agreed. I was asked earlier about Watergate, but there’s no comparison. As shameful as Nixon was, he was fraught with demons but he loved his country. And in the final analysis, he did the right thing. Trump? Never
    __ _

    TBD Gritty – Used to Be Political
    @TBDGritty
    ·
    Gore conceded and took away his concession lmfao
    __ _

    BooToYou!
    @boodad12
    ·
    Gore didn’t concede until well in to December so maybe give Trump a couple weeks??
    _ _

    Walton
    @WaltonBuzzGT
    ·
    Gore’s actions led directly to Trump’s. Gore lost by the rules, fair and square but dragged the country through the recount spectacle anyway and the media cheered him the whole way. Dems still reference a stolen election BUT Trump is “different”.

    __ _

    Ryan Lane
    @RealRyanHLane
    ·
    The most atrocious fiction in modern politics is the narrative around Bush vs. Gore that the media and Democrats have spun for the past 20 years.
    __ _

    Ape City on the Edge of Forever
    @apecityroller2
    ·
    “This is the worst, most outrageous, most divisive thing Trump has ever said.”

    -Our mainstream media firefighters every single day for the last four years
    __ _

    BTito
    @BTito99
    ·
    Don’t worry …we’re going to be underwater because of global warming in ….oh wait, that didn’t happen either, did it?

    _

    harkin (7fb4c9)

  292. @284 clog up their courts and cost them lawsuit money and create protests in front of the state house and governor’s mansion. Also, ongoing public shaming and bad publicity.

    Nic (896fdf)

  293. In other news, new record number of COVID cases. 120,000+. Sigh. Keep them in your prayers.

    Nic (896fdf)

  294. There’s good reason to be leery about all the social media noise about electoral fraud.

    Mr. Trump’s false declaration of victory in the small hours of Wednesday morning quickly united hyperpartisan conservative activists and the standard-bearers of the right-wing media, such as Breitbart, with internet trolls and QAnon supporters behind a singular viral message: #StopTheSteal.

    But its impact has become apparent far beyond the internet, with the theme dominating conservative talk radio and the prime-time lineup on Fox News. There, Trump-aligned hosts pressed the false notion that the vote counting in the crucial, still-undecided states was illegitimate — the sort of message that was drawing flags on Twitter and Facebook but flourishing elsewhere.

    FoxNews–thanks to the Carlson-Hannity-Ingraham triad–has truly become American Pravda.
    P.S. Someone here should mention that we had 118,205 new cases today, and this is the third day in a row where more than 1,100 Americans have perished from CV19.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  295. Trump should request recounts where he can, and they should be done.

    Recounts rarely change anything, *and* they exist for a reason.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  296. The last time WI was recounted, it changed something like 100 votes.

    The thing is, the preliminary numbers released quickly will be vetted even without a recount, and obvious errors (if there are any) corrected before the results are certified.

    The final margin in PA doesn’t look like it will be WI-sized. It should be MI-sized, or larger. From graphic in the WaPo model, I get a 270K/3.8% final margin.

    Dave (1bb933)

  297. In other news, new record number of COVID cases. 120,000+. Sigh. Keep them in your prayers.

    23 New Mexicans died today of COVID. The prior record was 14.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  298. Dave, if they get a flip of 300K+ with 200K left to count, Trump will be all over it and it will be hard to say he’s wrong.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  299. I know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.

    Heh! I was thinking the same thing, but with a different motive: They want to watch the worm wriggling on the hook for as long as possible. The Democrats, well, because they’re Democrats; and the Republicans as payback for him doing the same thing to them or their colleagues in their primaries.

    nk (1d9030)

  300. From what I heard on cable news, Wisconsin will do a recount if requested and at their cost if the spread is less than 0.5%, which it is. Otherwise, the recount is paid for by the requesting party.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  301. 303. It’s currently more than .5%

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  302. What’s more, the influence of the progressive woke left is diminished because of the slimmer House majority and Biden’s narrow victory.

    I read — I think it was on NRO — and interesting suggestion that this is exactly backwards. The commenter posited the idea that a narrow majority for Dems actually gives The Squad more leverage than they would otherwise have, because they can threaten to scuttle legislation they don’t like and to recruit primary challengers to more moderate Dems if they don’t get their way. Aunt Nancy (should she survive as Speaker) will be faced with the task of trying to give them as much as they want without losing more moderate Dems on legislation, or else abandoning them and running the House from the center in an attempt to win over the last few moderate Republicans.

    I’ll make a prediction here: by the time the 2022 midterms roll around at least one House Democrat will change parties and become a Republican.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  303. Dave, if they get a flip of 300K+ with 200K left to count, Trump will be all over it and it will be hard to say he’s wrong.

    Maybe the model is out of date, but it predicts a central value of about 3.67M for Biden and 3.40M for Trump. That would mean there are much more than 200K left to count. The page also says 94% of the votes cast have been counted. That would leave considerably more than 200K to be counted, if accurate.

    The current number of votes shown in the graphic (based on counting pixels) agrees with the actual numbers shown. The projected numbers could potentially be wrong, of course.

    Even if the margin is only 1% (~65K), there no possibility of a recount changing the outcome.

    Dave (1bb933)

  304. Oops, you’re right, lurker, by 0.13%. The CPA in me slaps myself.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  305. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:09 pm

    Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

    qdpsteve (8d496a)

  306. @301 I think the PA dashboard is votes counted rather than votes reported out. The reported out sites seem to think there are 370,000+ left to be reported out in PA.

    @305 I think it might depend on how motivated both parties are to get things done. If McConnell and then the house Rs are willing to play ball, I think Congress could put out some moderate legislation. If the house Rs and then McConnell won’t play ball, I think there will be more liberal legislation getting passed that’s essentially virtue signalling.

    Nic (896fdf)

  307. I would love to see those California Republican candidates hold on to their leads in the House elections, but I remember what happened two years ago when the leads all evaporated in the absentee vote count, and given that our state has decided to once again extend the vote counting into the next month I expect Democrats will somehow come up with the vote needed to win.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  308. CA-48 includes Laguna Beach, where I lived for 21 years until Oct 2018. It was Dana Rohrabacher’s (“Putin’s congressman”) district forever until Rouda unseated him in 2018. It was always going to be a tough hold for Dems against anyone less obviously vile and corrupt than Rohrabacher.

    It looks like Katie Porter, the Dem freshman congress-critter where I live now, will be re-elected.

    I was planning to vote for the Republican in 2018, until I received multiple “ILLEGAL CARAVAN APPROACHING BORDER!!!!” text messages echoing Trump’s lies and sent on their behalf right before the election. So I abstained instead.

    This year, the GOP candidate openly praised Trump, so I voted for Porter.

    Dave (1bb933)

  309. 310: The surprise last time was that there were so many absentees and they were all due to Democrat harvesters who know where the Democrat absentee ballots had been sent. This time there is no such imbalance.

    In both cases above the leads have been expanding for a couple of days as more votes came in. There are two more as well, although one of them seems to be fading.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  310. Nailbiter:

    CA 25 North LA County

    Mike Garcia i Republican 143,059 50.0 %
    Christy Smith Democrat 142,794 50.0
    285,853 total votes 79.74% precincts reporting

    These two met earlier in a by-election for a vacant seat. It was close. Now the real thing is also close.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  311. CA 21 Central Valley, Fresno suburbs

    David Valadao Republican 58,567 51.8 %
    TJ Cox i Democrat 54,553 48.2
    113,120 total votes 44.2% precincts reporting

    This would be a re-flip, but not that many votes in yet. It’s the lower half of the Central Valley, mostly between I-5 and CA99 from the split on north. TJ Cox took it in the 2018 wave.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  312. In CA-21 Valadao held the seat 2013-2019, lost it, now he wants it back. Rematch from 2018 election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  313. So, Dave, in 311 it seems like you’ve been finding a reason to not vote for the Republican for a while now.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  314. It’s narrowed further in PA, with another 33,000 votes counted, mostly in Philadelphia County. 175K left to count. Biden trails by 27,000. If Biden wins (and I hope they don’t call it now until it’s mathematically clear), that’s the election barring recounts. A decisive PA win (> 1%) might avoid recounts. 253+6+20 = 279. Sure would want Arizona, too, since GA is going to be too close.

    I would hope that, should there be no path to victory, even with all allowable recounts that Trump would give up. And resign to let Pence get some traction on COVID.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  315. Secretly, however, I would hope to see Trump demanding Hail Mary recounts to the point where the electoral college certification is endangered and have the Supreme Court rule 9-0 using the Bush v Gore reasoning.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  316. So, Dave, in 311 it seems like you’ve been finding a reason to not vote for the Republican for a while now.

    Since changed my registration to independent the day after the primary in June 2016, yes.

    I voted for every Republican except Trump in 2016.

    In 2018, I abstained rather than vote for Rohrabacher in the primary (I was still living in the 48th then) and in the General Election (in my new district) voted for every Republican except Congress, where I abstained.

    This year I voted for no Republicans, thanks to the state party engaging in illegal ballot fraud and supporting Trump’s efforts to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt by delegitimizing vote-by-mail.

    When the state and national party start acting like and nominating grownups again, I’ll consider voting for them again.

    Dave (1bb933)

  317. Dave,

    did you support all the leftists propositions as well?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  318. …and they lived happily ever after?

    Vladimir Putin, 68, ‘set to resign as Russian president early next year amid fears he has Parkinson’s’

    Gotta give the writers credit – I doubt any of us saw this plot twist coming.

    Dave (1bb933)

  319. did you support all the leftists propositions as well?

    Nope!

    I think the Uber/Lyft proposal is the only one I voted Yes on. Oh, and I guess the electronic privacy one.

    No on discrimination, no on rent control, no on kidney centers, no on stem cell funding, no on the property tax ones.

    Sorry to disappoint you!

    Dave (1bb933)

  320. Okay, okay!

    “Μηδένα προ του τέλους μακάριζε”.

    nk (1d9030)

  321. As of this hour, the 3rd party candidate for Senate in GA has ~113K votes. If he were not on the ballot and those voters just stayed home, or left that race blank, Perdue would be well over the 50% needed (well over 50K above 50% plus one vote). There is no way Ossoff would garner more than half of those disaffected voters who would have chosen one of the D or R candidates.

    The Greens were shut/forced out of the ballot in GA. How many net votes would they have potentially siphoned from Biden?

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  322. Wisconsin GOP urges Trump supporters to continue returning absentee ballots after the deadline, while Trump lies that counting votes submitted before the deadline is stealing the election.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  323. The DUOPOLY won the election. The people lost !

    Knickerbocker Slobberknocker (27d313)

  324. @326 At the rate they’re going, I won’t be voting for Republicans again anytime soon:

    Recently re-elected GOP Senator Lindsey Graham declined to dismiss Fox News anchor Sean Hannity’s suggestion that the Pennsylvania presidential election results should be thrown out over unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud.

    “Everything should be on the table,” the South Carolina Republican said.

    Dave (1bb933)

  325. Pat Buchanan, whatever his faults, was never a stupid man.

    ROFLMAOPIP. Yeah. He was stupid: he worked for The Big Dick. =mike-drop=

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  326. What’s this GOP run PA Supreme Court story buzz about them appointing GOP Electors to throw the state to Trump regardless of the state tally all about??!!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  327. The same media that is lightning quick at labeling election irregularity claims as “unsubstantiated” was pushing Trump Russia Collusion for years.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  328. Allegedly, supposedly, there are ~14K votes remaining in GA. The interesting thing is that there are thousands of military ballots which could not be touched until tomorrow. The number I heard earlier in the day was up to 8K such ballots had been received throughout the state. Any which arrive tomorrow will also be counted. If the 8K are part of the 14K number, look out. DJT just could hold on. If they are separate, Biden is looking pretty good.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  329. Trump will love this:

    Democrats urge Georgia voters to fix their absentee ballots before a Friday deadline.

    With Georgia’s 16 electoral votes likely to be decided by a tiny margin, Democrats are urging voters there to fix absentee ballots that were rejected because of invalid or missing signatures before the deadline on Friday evening.

    Those who voted absentee — a group that this year has been heavily Democratic — can check online to see whether election officials have accepted or rejected their ballots. Absentee ballots are often rejected when the voter forgets to sign or uses a signature that does not match the one on file with the state, possibly because it is many years old. Election officials are supposed to contact voters in such cases but are not always able to do so.

    Voters have until 5 p.m. on Friday to submit a simple affidavit form to “cure” such ballots. With Georgia hanging in the balance as the last votes are counted, national Democrats — including Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez of New York — are amplifying the message in hopes of salvaging every vote possible.

    Quite a few states, including CA, I think, allow this.

    Dave (1bb933)

  330. @321. Now there’s a Chinese Puzzler.

    ‘Man on top of hill not on level.’ – Confucius

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  331. The same media that is lightning quick at labeling election irregularity claims as “unsubstantiated” was pushing Trump Russia Collusion for years.

    It never gets old!

    To: Donald J. Trump, Jr.

    Good morning

    Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

    The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

    This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump – helped along by Aras and Emin.

    What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

    I can also send this info to your father via Rhona, but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

    From: Donald J. Trump, Jr.

    Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

    Best,

    Don

    Dave (1bb933)

  332. And Carter Page is a Russian asset.

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  333. You know collusion happened. We all know it. Just like we all know hunter’s a sleaze who traded on his daddy’s name.

    Give me a break.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  334. Here’s a good round-up of all the allegations electoral fraud, and practically every assertion is full of sh*t. Not to say fraud doesn’t happen, but it’s rare.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  335. And Carter Page is a Russian asset.

    Not sure.

    The FBI had tape recordings of Russian spies discussing how they planned to recruit him, though.

    Dave (1bb933)

  336. Senator-elect Tuberville is wasting no time getting his nose up Trump’s rectum as far as possible:

    Senator-elect Tommy Tuberville, who defeated incumbent Sen. Doug Jones (D-Ala.), made similar allegations, tweeting the same conspiracy theory that the legal counting of mail-in ballots for Biden is proof of corruption.

    “The election results are out of control. It’s like the whistle has blown, the game is over and the players have gone home, but the referees are suddenly adding touchdowns to the other team’s side of the scoreboard,” the former football coach said.

    Explicatin’ it so even the good folks in Bug Tussle can follow along!

    On Hannity, natch.

    Dave (1bb933)

  337. Kevin McCarthy on Fox: “What’s very interesting here and shows more of the fraud: Not one Republican incumbent lost…How would President Trump lose in an atmosphere like that?”

    Clever fraudsters adding their fake Biden ballots knew they should vote for every down-ballot GOP incumbent so … uh … so geniuses would sniff out the fraud?

    Radegunda (20775b)

  338. I posted an e-mail from one of my best friends at 237. Today I’m really starting to appreciate (and not in a good way) the damage Trump, the Fox triad, and much of talk radio have done to this country. I knew my friend liked Tucker Carlson, but I didn’t think he was THAT far gone. He has texted me, e-mailed me, and left a message on my phone. I didn’t have the stomach to call him back.

    Anyway, here are his latest texts:

    U r about to witness something this country has never seen before. It will be incredible. Watch what happens starting tomorrow or as soon as the media claims Biden is the winner. This is an interesting time to be alive! Thanks

    Dems chose the wrong person to steal an election from. He will win.

    I don’t even know how to deal with him at this point. I bet him that Trump would lose his re-election bid. I can’t bring myself to tell him that I voted for Jo Jorgensen, or that he has fallen prey to a false god.

    norcal (a5428a)

  339. Not one Republican incumbent lost…

    Cory Gardner and Martha McSally will be delighted to hear that!

    Dave (1bb933)

  340. Oh wow, norcal – I thought you were agreeing with him when you posted that earlier quote…

    Dave (1bb933)

  341. I have never understood about Tucker Carlson. You get all of these hard working, often blue-collar guys watching Fox news and listening with respect to Tucker Carlson of all people. He’s a trustfund baby who’s never done a day of real work in his life and has spent his entire adulthood as a political commentator. How do they respect that?

    Nic (896fdf)

  342. @344 LOL! I thought the ridiculousness of the e-mail spoke for itself! It just goes to show that one can never assume one’s meaning is clear.

    norcal (a5428a)

  343. From what I’ve seen of the vote count in Pennsylvania, it is only a matter of time before they call it for Biden, making him Prez-Elect. There are still about 1/8th of votes remaining to be counted in Philadelphia County, and some in Montgomery County, a blueish Philly suburban county. One telling sign is that Biden took the lead in Erie County, which Trump won in 2016. Trump is also underperforming in some of the red counties if I remember correctly.

    I have no idea about Arizona, or where the outstanding votes are coming from. Biden still has a 4 point lead in Maricopa County, but is shrinking. I still don’t think any Republican prez candidate wins Arizona without winning Maricopa, given that over 60 percent of AZ’s population lives there. What is interesting is that Sen. McSally’s vote percentage is similar to Trump’s. I think that if Trump is able to pull off a win in AZ, that McSally would have a 90 percent chance of winning as well. If Biden holds on, then Mark Kelly wins it. Time will tell.

    As for Georgia, Biden got a lot of votes from Fulton County(Atlanta), and now the difference is roughly 2000 votes. From what I’ve heard, it will come down to the overseas absentee ballots that still have to be counted. I think that compared to Arizona, Georgia is more likely to go for Trump than Arizona. It is anyone’s guess.

    In Nevada, Clark County has like 3/4ths of Nevada’s population, so even if Biden just maintains a steady small lead there, it will push up his overall margins. His lead there is 9 points, and statewide it is about 1 point. The last GOP candidate to win NV was Bush 43, and that was when Washoe County(Reno) was a Republican county. Ever since Washoe turned into a slightly blue county, the state turned into a light blue swing state.

    I think North Carolina goes to Trump, and Thom Tillis wins reelection.

    At the very least, Biden will win the Electoral College 279-259 assuming AZ and GA go to Trump. If both states go to Biden, then it will be 306-232 in Biden’s favor. Ironically, 306-232 was the electoral vote winning margin for Donald Trump in 2016, before the faithless electors subtracted from the totals. Either way, there will be 75 more days left of presidential rage tweeting and hissy fits. Presidential Tweetdom will quiet down to boredom afterwards.

    HCI (92ea66)

  344. These are not no-names going on TV to spout this seditious lunacy and rile up Trump’s suggestible, gun-loving cultists.

    They are some of the most powerful people in the GOP.

    And the other thing that scares me is that Trump has so obviously lost, yet they seem determined to go to the brink with this.

    Gore made some stupid tactical decisions in 2000, but they had a legitimate chance to prevail. Short of declaring martial law, arresting anyone who won’t bend the knee (which, of course, he’s been promising to do forever) and making himself dictator, Trump has no chance to prevail here.

    What is the endgame here if Trump and a significant number of GOP henchmen continue to double-down on a losing hand? At a certain point, they will have staked so much of their credibility (or what’s left of it) that backing down will be impossible.

    Dave (1bb933)

  345. You know collusion happened. We all know it

    We all know it. I’m not sure they do. They couldn’t possibly all lie this badly. I think they’ve honestly bought Trump’s gaslighting and conspiracy mongering, hook, line and sinker. Which isn’t that surprising. It’s why populist demagogues are so dangerous. They’re very good at persuading their credulous followers that everything they want to believe about themselves, their allies and enemies is true. When Trump says not only didn’t Putin help him, but he actually tried to get Hillary elected, the entire US intel apparatus, Robert Mueller, the GOP-led Senate Intel Committee, and even Putin himself saying “no, the opposite” falls on deaf ears.

    Imagine, and yes it requires an adventurous imagination, if Trump gave a patriotic, George H.W. Bush/ John McCain-type concession speech, praising Biden and urging Trump World to support the new president. The heads exploding from cognitive dissonance would be the super-spreader event of 2020.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  346. @345 Carlson does a masterful job of spinning a web. Besides my friend, he has snookered a lefty that I knew in college who opened a “progressive” type of bookstore in Orem, and sat outside the store smoking, which shocked me because I knew him as a BYU student.

    He later moved to Portland and is now a self-described pothead. And yet he loves Tucker Carlson, which greatly disappoints a lefty friend I have in common with this guy.

    Go figure.

    norcal (a5428a)

  347. As ‘early voting’ is becoming the norm, why wait: I’ll mail my 2024 ballot in to the registrar for Nikki Haley tomorrow on something we call paper.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  348. @343. Sw that; McCarthy was speaking about the House in that interview.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  349. How do they respect that?

    Compared to Donald J. Trump, Tribune of the Working Man, I’d say Tucker Carlson is totally legit…

    Dave (1bb933)

  350. @353 I’d put them about equal in actual cred (maybe slightly more cred to Trump, he’s a good marketer and even though he fails, at least he tries, while Carlson’s never even made the effort), but I get the appeal of Trump for some guys. He’s brash, he gets the chicks, he splashes his money around, there’s something of a fantasy aspect there. Carlson OTOH has no sex-appeal and he looks and sounds like a whiny, often clueless, dweeb.

    Nic (896fdf)

  351. @354 Are you saying that Trump has sex-appeal? 🙂

    norcal (a5428a)

  352. Carlson OTOH has no sex-appeal and he looks and sounds like a whiny, often clueless, dweeb.

    I’ve always loved Patrick’s description of Tucker’s facial expression as “a cocker-spaniel trying to do calculus”.

    I’ll never be able to look at him without seeing that!

    Dave (1bb933)

  353. I thought it was a chipmunk trying to do calculus.

    norcal (a5428a)

  354. @356 IDK about that, but he seems to have had game at some point. Tucker def has no game.

    Nic (896fdf)

  355. oops, @355

    Nic (896fdf)

  356. No worries, Nic. I got it anyway.

    norcal (a5428a)

  357. @355

    First, you get the money.
    Then, you get the power.
    Then, you get the women.

    Dave (1bb933)

  358. Nic,

    I have another mom story for you. You know she’s a jokester, right? She recently went to have her blood drawn. Her veins have always been hard to find. She told the phlebotomist, “Your attempt will be in vein.”

    norcal (a5428a)

  359. @361 Signed, Rupert Murdoch, who has been seen with Jerry Hall, Mick Jagger’s much younger ex-wife.

    norcal (a5428a)

  360. @360 😛 @362 *laughs*

    @361 There is a certain type of woman for whom money and power = sex appeal. Possibly that category might include Slavic nude models.

    Nic (896fdf)

  361. Actually, Tucker’s wife of 29 years (and high-school sweetheart) is more attractive to me than any of Trump’s mail-order brides.

    If he treats her with respect, and they’re happy, he’s got all the game anyone could ask for.

    Dave (1bb933)

  362. @364 I guess that includes house-of-cards pretend money and putative power.

    norcal (a5428a)

  363. @365 Did you know that Trump saved the box that Melania came in? That way, when she ages out he can send her back.

    norcal (a5428a)

  364. @365 I agree. Tucker’s wife is cute and natural-looking.

    norcal (a5428a)

  365. @365 It does look like he got a winner.

    Nic (896fdf)

  366. I recall a couple times reading Tucker being interviewed, and it was almost like he dropped out of character and became an honest, reflective person.

    If he *is* an honest, thoughtful person deep down, what a tragedy that he has to earn his living peddling toxic, insipid bullsh!t every night to keep his audience coming back for more of the same.

    Dave (1bb933)

  367. Less than 700 votes now in GA…

    Dave (1bb933)

  368. Less than 14 days… Joe Biden turns 78 year old.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  369. @370. Peddling crap: Tucker Swanson McNear Carlson is an heir to the TeeVee dinner fortune.

    Eat your peas and carrots, Davey. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  370. what a tragedy that he has to earn his living peddling toxic, insipid bullsh!t every night to keep his audience coming back for more of the same

    I think this applies to all media, left or right, who preach to their respective choirs.

    norcal (a5428a)

  371. A sizable chunk of the GOP leadership is putting their courage on display by keeping quiet in the face of Trump’s assault on our national institutions:

    Other Republican leaders have so far been silent in the wake of Trump’s White House address.

    Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell’s office declined to comment to CNN on Trump’s remarks.

    Senate Majority Whip John Thune of South Dakota, as well as Sens. John Cornyn of Texas, Roy Blunt of Missouri, Deb Fischer of Nebraska, Joni Ernst of Iowa and Todd Young of Indiana — all members of Senate GOP leadership — did not respond to requests for comment.

    House GOP conference chair Liz Cheney has also not responded to requests for comment.

    A few are trying to square the circle by paying lip service to Trump without following him down the rabbit hole:

    Sen. John Barrasso of Wyoming, a member of Senate GOP leadership, said in a statement, “As vote totals continue to update, Americans deserve confidence in a fair and transparent election. The President is right to ensure all legally-cast votes be observed and counted.”

    House Minority Whip Steve Scalise responded to a request for comment with a statement from spokeswoman Lauren Fine, saying, “Whip Scalise urges every state to fairly and equally enforce their election laws as written, and only count those ballots that were cast legally. Americans deserve full transparency to have confidence that their votes are being counted accurately.”

    And a handful are actually showing some patriotism:

    A number of rank-and-file House and Senate Republicans have pushed back on Trump’s baseless claims, though most without mentioning the President by name.

    GOP Rep. Will Hurd of Texas, who is retiring at the end of his current term, suggested that the comments are “dangerous.”

    “A sitting president undermining our political process & questioning the legality of the voices of countless Americans without evidence is not only dangerous & wrong, it undermines the very foundation this nation was built upon,” Hurd tweeted.
    Republican Rep. Adam Kinzinger of Illinois tweeted, “This is getting insane,” and said, “if you have legit concerns about fraud present EVIDENCE and take it to court.”

    Several other Republican lawmakers echoed the assertion that evidence should be presented if it exists.

    Michigan Republican Rep. Paul Mitchell, who is also retiring at the end of this term, tweeted, “If anyone has proof of wrongdoing, it should be presented and resolved. Anything less harms the integrity of our elections and is dangerous for our democracy.”

    “If a candidate believes a state is violating election laws they have a right to challenge it in court & produce evidence in support of their claims,” Republican Sen. Marco Rubio of Florida tweeted.

    “If there are irregularities alleged, they will be investigated and ultimately resolved in the courts. Have faith in democracy, in our Constitution, and in the American people,” Sen. Mitt Romney of Utah tweeted.

    Dave (1bb933)

  372. I think this applies to all media, left or right, who preach to their respective choirs.

    Maybe I’m being naive or exercising selective memory, but I don’t remember it being this bad.

    Before my Trump-driven apostasy, I was as deep in the right-wing bubble as anyone. There were a handful of tribe-mates who I recognized as untrustworthy and dishonest (e.g. Mark Levin), and avoided like the plague.

    Dave (1bb933)

  373. GA difference is 463 votes.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  374. @376 No, you’re right. Trump has ramped it up, causing the left to do the same. I agree about Levin. I disliked him even before Trump came on the stage. Levin has no sense of humor. I would listen to Michael Savage before I would listen to Levin. At least Savage wanders into old New York stories on occasion.

    norcal (a5428a)

  375. Before my Trump-driven apostasy, I was as deep in the right-wing bubble as anyone

    All of the jumping on the Trump Train pushed me out of that bubble like nothing else.

    Radegunda (20775b)

  376. Biden up 917 in GA.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  377. @380. And another bastion of Ruby Red conservatism bites the dust.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  378. 378, thank you! I share the exact same sentiment re Savage vs. Levin, and for me at least, Savage vs. Limbaugh.

    urbanleftbehind (ab2a96)

  379. 177. Appalled (1a17de) — 11/5/2020 @ 4:50 pm

    I would love to have Georgia — with a GOP Secretary of State running the show — be the state that puts Biden over. Margin of Trump over Biden is now less than 4,000 votes.

    Biden is now in the lead.

    Calling Georgia [16] now would only create a tie at 269. For Trump t also get 269 he would have to reverse the lead in Arizona [11] and Nevada [6] and won Pennsylvania. If Biden won all tree, he wold have 306 Electoral votes, this duplicating exactly but in reverse (and with different states) the initial outcome (before faithless electors) of the 2016 vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  380. Sammy,

    I predicted to my friend prior to the election that Biden would win by the same electoral count that Hillary lost to Trump! I have the text to prove it!

    norcal (a5428a)

  381. Mr M wrote:

    It’ll be over in about three hours. Trump’s lead is only 2,497

    It cannot be decided by a literal handful of votes in 5 million. No counting system is that good, and the uncertainty on signatures matching is at least 1%.

    Uhhh, please remember that we avoided an Al Gore presidency by 529 votes in the Sunshine State.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  382. JVW wrote:

    Maybe Democrats will now concede that elections really aren’t bought by big money, or at the very least that once you reach the $50 million mark or so that the law of diminishing returns strongly kicks in.

    The population of the Bluegrass State is roughly 4½ million, out of whom 2,100,301 ballots were cast in the senatorial race, in preliminary reports; there may be a few write-in ballots not in that total. Amy McGrath Henderson spent roughly $111 for each of the 793,729 votes she received, while Mitch McConnell spent roughly $45 for each of the 1,222,746 votes he got.

    The airwaves (satellite waves in my case) were flooded with campaign commercials for Mrs Henderson, with less of a flood, though still high waters, for Senator McConnell. After some point, people start to get annoyed by the continual repetition. The Law of Diminishing Returns was once again validated.

    The public were aware of both candidates, not just from this cycle but from the big effort on Mrs Henderson’s behalf in 2018, and the only way Mr McConnell was going to lose this campaign is if he had croaked before the election. Hell, even if he had died, he still might have won!

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  383. nk wrote:

    I know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.

    Heh! I was thinking the same thing, but with a different motive: They want to watch the worm wriggling on the hook for as long as possible. The Democrats, well, because they’re Democrats; and the Republicans as payback for him doing the same thing to them or their colleagues in their primaries.

    Or, perhaps, anticipating a recount, they are being extra careful with the original count to avoid looking like idiots during a recount.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  384. Dave wrote:

    In 2018, I abstained rather than vote for Rohrabacher in the primary (I was still living in the 48th then) and in the General Election (in my new district) voted for every Republican except Congress, where I abstained.

    Rather than abstaining, this was a place to cast a vote for the Libertarian candidate, assuming there was one.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  385. Mr lurker wrote:

    You know collusion happened. We all know it

    We all know it. I’m not sure they do. They couldn’t possibly all lie this badly.

    Really? With a staff full of Democratic leaning attorneys, $35 million in government money and two years in which to do the work, the Special Prosecutor was unable to make the case that such happened. The Democrats in the House of Representatives, who loathed President Trump to a man, could not find enough in the Mueller Report on which to base an article of impeachment.

    Your statement would seem to be in violation of our host’s stated rule, “Leave your comments below, as long as you are not spreading unsubstantiated rumors about election fraud.”

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  386. The only real question is: will President Trump attend Joe Biden’s inauguration? My guess is that he will not.

    The Dana in Kentucky (2e5280)

  387. Or, perhaps, anticipating a recount, they are being extra careful with the original count to avoid looking like idiots during a recount.

    Forgive me for saying so, but I don’t think that’s much of a conspiracy theory.

    nk (1d9030)

  388. CNN reports Philly vote pushes PA to Biden; So far, 87% went to Joe, Trump lost Erie County, too. Early vote by mail before debate fracking gaffe, really hurt Trump. PA only energy producing state going to Joe..

    If trend keeps going, it’s over.

    The Empire Strikes Back:

    Trump loses.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  389. 280. Nic (896fdf) — 11/5/2020 @ 7:09 pm

    I know this probably isn’t true, but it’s starting to feel like all the uncalled states (and Arizona depending on which network you prefer) are slow rolling their recounts so that they don’t have to be the state the decides the election and gets all the negative Trump attention.

    My thought was that the motive for this could be so that there wouldn’t, or almost wouldn’t, be any state that puts Biden over the top, so that you get a rat-a-tat-tat situation. And then, the thinking would be that Trump would feel it was too much to challenge.

    And that this is being co-ordinated mostly by some people associated with the Biden campaign.

    Of course this would generate genuine thoughts in Donald Trump’s mind that the election is being stolen from him somehow. And needing to challenge or reverse the outcome in several states wouldn’t do too much to prevent a challenge – it didn’t in 1876, where the Republican had to get every single contested electoral vote to win the election.

    Here, all that Trump could do, with all that, would be to tie, and throw the election into the House of Representatives. But then he could hope to win because they vote by state delegation, and the Republicans may have 26 states, and if they all vote by party line, he would be elected. But the Republicans won’t do that – you can see that now.

    Although if there is any kind of a deadlock, caused, let us say, by Utah voting for someone chosen by a faithless elector, the Senate, where there are only two choices, and they vote individually, might elect Mike Pence Vice President first.

    (In the House a majority of the total number of state delegations is needed, but only a plurality within each delegation, so for a state not to vote for either Biden or Trump, it must be evenly divided between the top two finishers in that state’s House delegation, or vote by plurality for the third person in the race.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  390. 391, so does he also take a pass on the free helicopter ride home?

    urbanleftbehind (ab2a96)

  391. Early vote by mail before debate fracking gaffe, really hurt Trump.

    Keeping the Green Party off the ballot and keeping Jorgensen on is what killed him.

    But, hey, vote suppression….

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  392. Rather than abstaining, this was a place to cast a vote for the Libertarian candidate, assuming there was one.

    In CA (except for the presidential race), there are only choices in the General Election: the top two vote getters of the “jungle primary”.

    Dave (1bb933)

  393. Watching Trump’s cultists rend their garments over the fate of the Green Party…

    *chef kiss*

    … priceless!

    Dave (1bb933)

  394. …and PA is called for Biden.

    Congrats to everyone who wanted Trump out of office.

    I can only pray that the GOP wins at least one of the GA Senate runoff in January. That’s going to be the most expense senate race in history.

    whembly (c30c83)

  395. Now I’ll be praying that Biden survives all four years, with most of his marbles intact.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  396. @397: Says someone who voted for Kamala. LOL

    And the self-owning begins….

    beer ‘n pretzels (042d67)

  397. whembly:

    Think of the Senate vote as an incentive for Mitch to make sure Trump does not try to stay on as President. Because his power depends on an electorate that went for Biden because just enough people could not abide Trump.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  398. DCSCA (797bc0) — 11/6/2020 @ 6:07 am

    CNN reports Philly vote pushes PA to Biden; So far, 87% went to Joe, Trump lost Erie County, too. Early vote by mail before debate fracking gaffe, really hurt Trump. PA only energy producing state going to Joe..

    Biden is losing a lot of non-legal (not illegal) votes cast by people who failed to enclose their ballot in a security or privacy envelope but instead sent in “naked ballots”

    They are disqualified and not counted.

    I heard that people whose votes are lost that way (which should be around 10% of the total number of absentee ballots) are being notified; but if the system is anything like New York’s, without that envelope there is no clue as to whose ballot that was, but you would only know the precinct, unless somebody write their return address on the most outer envelope, or it is printed there.

    Are people voting by mail in Pennsylvania supposed to use 3 envelopes to send it in? (the outer envelope, the envelope on which they sign their name and a third envelope to enclose the ballot in?)

    No, not three envelopes, but you sign on the back of the outer envelope that says Business Reply Mail. (There’s an alternative witness requirement for someone unable to sign)

    The whole thing is a kind of a general literacy test. Like the Reader’s Digest sweepstakes uses, only harder. The inner envelope hasn’t got any other use, except that it allows the ballot to still remain secret for a period of time after it has been accepted, so that it won’t actually be opened by the same people who verified the signature and know whose ballot that is.

    https://billypenn.com/2020/10/04/pennsylvania-naked-ballot-mail-voting-guide-secrecy-envelope-deadline-signature-philadelphia

    n the past, election boards in Pennsylvania didn’t necessarily toss ballots missing the inner envelope — but it also wasn’t a big issue, because not many people used them. Before this year, you needed a valid reason to vote “absentee,” like being out of town on Election Day, or in the military, or physically unable to make it to the polls.

    But this time they’ll toss them – President Trump made sure.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  399. @395. No. It’s this early voting crap. What’s the point of lengthy, expensive campaigns, void of intense media scrutiny, discussion and debate over issues culminating on an ‘election day’- especially if a candidate running reveals an intent in direct opposition to your self-interests a week before election day after you’ve already voted a month out?

    I’ve already decided I’m voting for Nikki Haley for POTUS in 2024. I’d like to mail my vote in tomorrow– why wait.

    So if she comes out in support of televised gay sex from all public water fountains in America and bans fracking, hot fudge sundaes as well as pepperoni pizzas and cold beer a week before election day in 2024– oops, any early, ‘banked’ vote can’t be changed.

    That’s not ‘democracy’ at work; That’s chicanery at play.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  400. 116. Sammy Finkelman (125d6f) — 11/5/2020 @ 1:24 pm

    No more results expected from Clark (Las Vegas) and Washoe (Reno) counties.

    hat was not correct.

    Some ballots are going to be released from Clark County today, and more on Saturday.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  401. @401 Appalled:

    I don’t think he has much of a say really.

    Trump team is going to contest and ask for recounts/Courts to rejects ballots. So, we’re going to see a redux of Bush vs Gore on steroid in these next few weeks. As someone who didn’t want Democrats in any sort of power, even *I* think it’s a near impossibilty for Trump to flip these states back.

    I’m heartened by the idea that the GOP made gains in Congress and the likelihood of a majority Senate. But, I think GOP voters who refused to vote for Trump will rue this day. A Biden/Harris administration *can* do lasting damage with just the Whitehouse to such degree that folks will have buyer’s remorse.

    We’ll see.

    whembly (c30c83)

  402. Trump’s incompetence is doing the ultimate, irreparable harm to over a thousand Americans a day.

    Dave (1bb933)

  403. @406 Hyperbole. Not even close.

    whembly (a3f260)

  404. Hyperbole. Not even close.

    The equivalent of two 9/11’s every week.

    The equivalent of a Vietnam War every two months.

    Plus the economic damage and all the other disruption of peoples’ lives.

    Dave (1bb933)

  405. There were 100,000 newly diagnosed Covid cases in the United States for the first time on Wednesday.

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)

  406. One place to see what the election results are:

    https://www.nydailynews.com/election-2020-results

    Sammy Finkelman (125d6f)


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