Weekend Open Thread
[guest post by Dana]
Here are a few news items to chew on. Feel free to share any news items you think might interest readers. Please remember to include links.
First news item
Oh, please, Tucker Carlson, stop embarrassing yourself:
TUCKER CARLSON: …in fact, the official message from the Democratic party is that Donald Trump had it coming.
CUT TO NANCY PELOSI: We all received that news with great sadness. I always pray for the President’s family that they’re safe, and I continue to do so, more intensified. This is tragic. It’s very sad. But it is also something that, again, going into crowds, uh, unmasked, and all the rest. It’s sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.
TUCKER CARLSON: Brazen invitation. He asked for it. He was dressed provocatively.
Seriously?? He dressed provocatively is the garbage you’re pushing?? What willful dishonesty to ignore that the President has been rolling the dice on this for half a year. He has continually put himself and others at risk when it wasn’t necessary. He has not only refused to mask-up whenever he has been in close contact with people outside of his immediate family members with whom he lives, but he has pooh-poohed masks in general and even mocked and shamed those who have worn them! So, yes, in a sense the President of the United States brazenly invited something like this to happen. Tucker Carlson needs to stop making excuses and blaming Pelosi for something she didn’t do or imply, and let this man straight-up own his own behavior like an adult. I used to think that the Republican Party was all about self-responsibility.
Second news item
Another Republican tests positive:
Republican Sen. Ron Johnson of Wisconsin has tested positive for coronavirus after being exposed to someone with the virus earlier this week, according to his spokesman, making him the third GOP senator to test positive in 24 hours and threatening the quick confirmation prospects of Judge Amy Coney Barrett to the Supreme Court.
Third news item
McConnell before Sen. Johnson’s positive test results::
Just finished a great phone call with @POTUS. He’s in good spirits and we talked business — especially how impressed Senators are with the qualifications of Judge Barrett. Full steam ahead with the fair, thorough, timely process that the nominee, the Court, & the country deserve.
— Leader McConnell (@senatemajldr) October 2, 2020
Fourth news item
Ford Foundation president takes a bad tumble down the rabbit hole of wokeness:
In a recent interview, I used the term “tone deaf” inappropriately & out of context from its literal definition. I am deeply sorry for using this ableist language & apologize to the millions of people with disabilities and the disability community.
Since becoming the president of the Ford Foundation, we have committed to advancing justice and dignity for all people. Through this process, I have been on my own change journey to learn & understand more about the critical nature of justice and disability.
We are taking steps to center disability in all of our programmatic work to address inequality, our operations & hiring practices, but this is not enough. My use of this phrase as a pejorative was insensitive & undermines our intent to advance disability justice & inclusion.
I am deeply sorry and personally pledge to do better.
Fifth news item
I just received word that I am positive for COVID-19. I want to thank all of my friends and colleagues who have reached out to ask how I was feeling in the last day or two. I will be receiving medical attention today and will keep the necessary folks apprised of my condition.
— Governor Christie (@GovChristie) October 3, 2020
Sixth news item
[A] 13-year-old Nigerian boy, Omar Farouq, has been sentenced by a Sharia court to ten years in prison after reportedly using blasphemous language about Allah in an argument with a friend. Omar Farouq’s lawyer told CNN the punishment goes against the Nigerian constitution and the African Charter of the Rights and Welfare of a Child…Piotr Cywinski is director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum in Poland… didn’t write a pointed tweet or stern op-ed. He sent an open personal appeal to President Buhari for Omar Farouq to be pardoned.
“However,” he said, “if it turns out that the words of this child absolutely require 120 months of imprisonment, and even you are not able to change that, I suggest that in place of the child, 120 adult volunteers from all over the world — myself personally among them — should each serve a month in a Nigerian prison.”
Seventh news item
Matt Gaetz is on Fox arguing that Trump getting COVID is proof that social distancing measures are ultimately futile and we should just continue reopening. pic.twitter.com/KtBA3pDYhF
— nikki mccann ramírez (@NikkiMcR) October 3, 2020
“If the President can get this virus, then it tells us a lot about our ability to protect ourselves from it.”
Eighth news item
A sourced timeline of events surrounding Trump:
Question:
If this is how Conley supposedly does "math," does his statement that the president has been "fever-free for 24 hours" actually only mean that he's been fever free since the start of today? https://t.co/ZPBa2T5YVn
— Josh Barro (@jbarro) October 3, 2020
Note:
Who you gonna believe?
Have a good weekend. Stay healthy.
–Dana
Good morning.
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:53 amHas anybody already posted this?
Weird Al Yankovic: “WE’RE ALL DOOMED”
Brilliant. Terrifying, but brilliant.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:05 amGood morning, Dana!
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:05 amWhat it tells us is, don’t be an idiot and not take the social distancing measures we’ve known about for months on end to protect ourselves. The President has steadfastly refused to take the necessary pre-cautions and now has the virus. I would wager that the vast majority of Americans who do take the necessary precautions are not going to become infected. Tucker Carlson seems determined to relieve Trump of any personal responsibility.
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:18 amPrayers that Chris Christie, who is clearly a high-risk individual, comes out of this without complications.
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:19 am‘It’s a hoax. There’s no pandemic’: Trump’s base stays loyal as president fights Covid
His vote counts as much as Dustin’s.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:25 amStephen L. Miller
harkin (6a5785) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:28 am@redsteeze
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Watching the press grill a Walter Reed doctor and question his motives and ethics more than the Democrat nominee for President is a sight to behold.
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With 31% of democrats glad he got it, i sense that here, go with the flow.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:29 amThe obsession with Trump’s heath, time lines and tick-tock of events is laughable– an infuriating.
What about Hidin’ Biden? His uneven public performances, his questionable health status… is h on any meds? Why keep giving Plagiarist JoeyBee a pass on this? Why??? Where’s the hard-hitting questions about the multiple brain surgeries at Walter Reed for a POTUS candidate?
BIDEN RESTING AFTER SURGERY FOR SECOND BRAIN ANERYUSM
Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. underwent surgery today to correct an aneurysm in an artery that supplies blood to the right side of the brain, a spokesman for the Walter Reed Army Medical Center said.
The spokesman, Peter Esker, said Senator Biden was awake, resting comfortably and talking with his family after the operation, his second this year to correct an aneurysm. An aneurysm is a ballooning of an artery.
The 4 1/2-hour procedure was similar to that performed Feb. 12 on the left side of Mr. Biden’s brain. Under the procedure, a surgeon using a microscope pinches the aneurysm with a clip, bringing the walls of the artery together. The clip remains in the patient.
Mr. Esker said there are no signs of any other aneurysms, adding that the second was much smaller than the first.
”The Senator is awake and alert, oriented, moving all extremities well and is conversing with his family,” Mr. Esker said. ”He is expected to be hospitalized about 10 days and then would go home to recuperate.”
Senator Biden, a 45-year-old Delaware Democrat, is chairman of the Judiciary Committee.
– https://www.nytimes.com/1988/05/04/us/biden-resting-after-surgery-for-second-brain-aneurysm.html
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:31 amScrew your ‘thoughts and prayers’ part those hair plugs— show the world your brain surgery scars you got at Walter Reed, Joe!
Another Chris Wallace failure.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:34 amIf the timeline being reported by Trump’s doctors is correct, he received an antibody treatment one hour before leaving for his NJ fundraiser, where he warned no one he was exposing them to infection.
That’s the behavior of a psychopath.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:34 amBut it is also something that, again, going into crowds, uh, unmasked, and all the rest. It’s sort of a brazen invitation for something like this to happen.
In two brief sentences, Pelosi placed more blame on Trump than she’s directed at China in nine months. But, she’s not alone.
beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:36 am@11. And Plagiarist JoeyBee??
That’s the behavior of the brain-damaged.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:41 amTucker Carlson seems determined to relieve Trump of any personal responsibility.
Right! BTW, don’t call it the Wuhan Virus or Chinese Virus.
beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:41 amSince Trump is known to have previously dictated false statements to his physician for the express purpose of deceiving the American people about his health, on multiple occasions, the press is absolutely justified in pursuing any loose ends or inconsistencies.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:42 amI would wager that the vast majority of Americans who do take the necessary precautions are not going to become infected.
Once he’s president, how long do you think Biden can hide in his bunker?
beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:45 amthe press is absolutely justified in pursuing any loose ends or inconsistencies.
Now do Biden.
beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:46 amI have no idea what Pelosi has or hasn’t said. If she’s let China off the hook, she should be criticized for it. But here’s the deal: China’s lies and Trump’s lies are each responsible for tens of thousands of needless deaths. I’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility. Why do you suppose that is?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:48 amConservatives should be pleased if he goes four years that way. I don’t need the president to be a presence in my life. Trump’s need for attention put him in the hospital. Biden may not be much of a leader, but the basement campaign was much wiser. You better hope the polls are way way way off because it looks like there was no downside.
Honestly don’t you want the federal government to cool it generally?
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:52 amSo youre in the 31%,
I dont want court packing end of fossil fuels o rourkes gun confiscation, and police defunding you do
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:54 amWhich is sadder? Trump getting Covid-19 or that more people will vote (yes, they will) for Obama’s impeachment insurance than will for Trump?
If you’re inclined that way, which is funnier?
As long as they vote in the swing states. As long it’s in the swing states.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:55 amI’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility.
Are you new here?
If all you read were the comments here for the past nine months, you’d think Trump concocted the virus himself and shipped it to China. If you’re starving to hear an iota of blame directed at Trump, you can OD on that just by turning on your phone or teevee. Try it.
beer ‘n pretzels (0b60f3) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:59 amIn the second week of January, China’s government waited a week too long before initiating an all-out response to the virus, which had been identified for the first time during the first week of January.
Now, in October, ten months after it was discovered, and more than nine months after China started taking the virus seriously, Trump still has yet to do so, and is now infected due to willfully ignoring everything learned about containing it in those ten months.
Who deserves more blame?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:02 amRon Johnson tests positive for Covid 19. Third GOP senator. He attended Typhoid Amy’s Rose Garden Bugfest, too. Tat’s three GOP senators sidelined; Senators must show up to vote, too– so Amy’s confirmation vote may end up circling the field, burning fuel, waiting to land.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:03 amOn February 29, 2020, Trump made a beautiful trade deal with Xi Jinping who assured him that China had the virus under control. He then let in, and went on to convince his base that it was a Democrat hoax while it decimate America. And these are facts.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:05 amDavid French:
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:05 am@17. You mean brain-damaged plagiarist, hiden’ Joe Biden???
Ohhhh, THAT guy. Isn’t he running for POTUS and nearly 78? 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:05 amDavid French is irrelevant.
He has been Bill Buckley’d.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:06 amThat’s very nice, but what does it have to do with anything I said? I know there are plenty of honest, intelligent, normal people who comment here. I was talking about Trump apologists.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:08 amOnce he’s president, how long do you think Biden can hide in his bunker?
If he took any unscreened questions he’d surely be asked to explain the difference between a bunker and a tomb. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:09 amDo you have evidence that Biden ordered his doctors to release false information about his health? And done so multiple times?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:10 am*did so…
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:12 amTo you, maybe. But conservatives will need all the David Frenchs they can get when it comes time to build a new movement on the ashes of what Trump did to the old one.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:13 amIs Biden still shuffling around with a piece of metal in his brain, implanted in 1988? Does it affect his speech and thought patterns? Does he hear voices? Or Beau? Does he set off airport security devices? Does it disrupt his cellphone reception? Do refrigerator magnets stick to his hair plugs? These are the sort of questions today’s hard-hitting media should be pummeling Biden with, daily. Just like they do to Trump.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:16 am“Dressed provocatively” applies to the powerless girl, where the predator tries to excuse his assault by saying that the girl showed him a leg and enticed him into rape. Trump is not the powerless girl, he’s the predator. He forced his stupid foolish buffoonery onto others.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:17 amPelosi controls behavior in the House of Representatives, so she can order masking and social distancing within her realm, and she can push through legislation to help abate, and that’s about all she can do. Trump controls the executive branch and all the departments under him, including CDC and FDA, and he has the bully pulpit to communicate a singular message. So while we can criticize Pelosi for her miscues, she’s not the problem, Trump is.
Jon Adler has a piece on the confirmation hearings on Ms. Barrett. Unless McConnell changes the rules on remote voting, it may be a challenge to confirm her.
@33. To the world, certainly. Conservative whine is merely bitter dregs in 2020. He’s been Bill Buckley’d.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:18 amCocaine Mitch could change the rules to allow remote voting, but to do so would require an in-person vote…
They’ll bring the whole GOP caucus onto the floor of the senate in hazmat suits if they need to.
Watching that on TV the week before the election would be the piece de resistance…
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:18 am@37.Might wan to check on the Senate dress code– it’s pretty strict: Hazmat suits and flip-flops ain’t on the list.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:24 amA White House official is disputing Dr. Conley’s timeline, saying Trump wasn’t diagnosed and treated until Thursday night. I’m inclined to believe the correction, but then my middle name is Charlie Brown.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:29 amI am going to go out on a limb here and that anyone who got this after, oh, the end of April, did so by being stupid, and/or being around people who had been stupid.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:32 amHere’s the deal. Trump is faking it. He does not have Covid-19. We learned from Bronstein and the Rear Admiral that what his doctors say is as meaningless as what he says. They’re in on the hoax.
The other people around him who are testing positive for Covid-19? He had some stooge cross-infect them for corroboration. Do you doubt that he would?
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:32 amMight wan to check on the Senate dress code– it’s pretty strict
One of the reasons I’ve never been a senator.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:33 am@31. You’re kidding, right? In February, ’88 Biden attributed his Monty-Python-‘my-brain-hurts’ episodes to episodes of increasingly severe neck pain; a pinched nerve and a viral infection.
The result: multiple brain surgeries.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:33 amIf he’s sick, then they planted it when they tested him.
The Doctor’s Plot!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:34 amDo you have evidence that Biden ordered his doctors to release false information about his health? And done so multiple times?
Do you have evidence you won’t be shaking your pom poms for four years while the media lobs nothing but beach ball questions to Biden?
beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:34 amAs long as 51 Republicans are physically present, the rules are whatever they want them to be.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:34 amU mad?
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:35 amI’ll take that as a “no.”
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:37 am@45.Four years????? Have you heard and see him??????
There has to be a Vegas line on this already: President Harris; 24 months or less.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:38 ammultiple brain surgeries.
For an aneurysm.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:38 amAt the tone, the year will be
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:41 am19882020.@50. Multiple brain surgeries— he ain’t factory- fresh;there’s a reason they put those stickers on your computer hard drive warning you not to pen the as it voids the warranty.
Seems there’s at least one foreign object still in his head– and it ain’t intellect.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:42 amPresident Harris; 24 months or less.
There is great incentive for them to wait 24 months and a day, so that Harris can run as an incumbent twice.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:42 am@51. No doubt Biden ‘hears’ those GMT tones in his head– hourly. Turns on the sprinklers for the hair plugs.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:45 amMultiple brain surgeries
What are you implying? Or do you just prefer to leave it unstated and sinister?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:45 am@53. Hot flash: or she’s through menopause by then.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:46 amIts mild chortle
https://babylonbee.com/news/party-that-wants-to-run-your-healthcare-roots-for-political-opponent-to-die
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:56 amI find hilarious the suggestion that the entire Democratic Party, including many of her rivals who garnered more support from voters in this year’s primaries, has unanimously decided to convert itself, totally, unconditionally, and permanently, into an organization whose sole purpose is to advance Kamala Harris’s career…
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:58 am@55. The implication of multiple brain surgeries is self-explanatory.
What are you implying?
Don’t pull the factory-sealed sticker off your computer hard-drive when you open it; it voids the warranty.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:02 amI’ve updated the post with an eighth news item: a sourced timeline of the events surround Trump and his positive test.
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:03 amWhy do you hate America?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:06 amThis explains the Remdesivir.
As I understand, they only administer that drug if the patient is on oxygen, and it was reported elsewhere that they’re giving Trump Remdisivir. The problem is that we’re not getting this from official sources, it’s from establishment media working theirs.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:07 amGee, Kevin, if Plagiarist JoeyBee had the courage to take unscreened questions,followed his ‘be honest’ pledge, maybe the press chould grill Biden about those brain surgeries for 10 or 20 minutes. Or would 220 volts going through his 120 volt lines short him out?
What’s to hide?
Oh. Right. Multiple brain surgeries.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:07 am@63 Just keep yapping man.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:11 am@60.CNN is reporting a source says Trump rec’d supplemental oxygen. A nurse would know better whether this is SOP or just more catnip for a frisky press.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:11 amTrump’s COVID Diagnosis Spooks Russia: ‘Our Candidate is Sick’
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:13 am……..
…….. [I]nitial reactions in the Russian state media encompassed a full spectrum of emotions—ranging from sympathy to schadenfreude. Discussing Trump’s COVID-19 diagnosis, Evgeny Popov, the host of Russian state media news talk show 60 Minutes, said, “Our candidate got sick.” …….
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The participants of 60 Minutes didn’t limit themselves to well-wishes and kindest regards. Deputy of the State Duma Aleksey Zhuravlyov smugly noted, “I’m glad that COVID got involved in the presidential race and it will most likely win. Not Joe Biden or Trump, but COVID will win.” Popov pondered out loud, “So we’ve been interfering and interfering, but all of that was for naught?”
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Russian state media outlet RT published a cartoon image of U.S. President Donald J. Trump in a coffin, after the image made the rounds on the internet. Pondering about the worst case scenario, 60 Minutes described the unfolding situation in the United States as “the perfect storm.” Popov speculated that President Trump had infected the U.S. government in its entirety and cheerfully expressed Russia’s readiness to take control over America’s nuclear button.
@64. Do left side and right side brain surgeries affect “yapping”– Mr. Biden?
What’s to hide, Davey?
Oh. Right. Multiple brain surgeries.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:14 amSomebody should point at Bien’s head and shout- “Hey Joe, you get Beau and Netflix on that thing?”
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:16 amTrump’s COVID Diagnosis Spooks Russia: ‘Our Candidate is Sick’
Trump’s DontCallItWuhanFlu Diagnosis has China High Fiving: ‘We Got Our Candidate’s Opponent Sick’
beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:21 am@67 I’ll defer to your familiarity with brain damage, which is clearly extensive.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:22 amWhite House doctor says Trump coronavirus symptoms improving while sidestepping questions
White House physician Sean Conley said Saturday that President Trump is doing “very well” after being hospitalized with coronavirus and that his symptoms of a mild cough, nasal congestion and fatigue are improving, while sidestepping questions about Trump’s treatment and creating uncertainty about the timeline of his diagnosis.
“At this time the team and I are extremely happy with the progress the president has made,” Conley told reporters outside Walter Reed Medical Center, where Trump was hospitalized Friday evening. “Thursday, he had a mild cough and some nasal congestion and fatigue, all of which are now resolving and improving.”
At the same time, a source familiar with the president’s health told reporters that the president’s vitals over the past 24 hours were “very concerning” and described the next 48 hours as “critical in terms of his care.”
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Conley did not give a date when he expects Trump to be released from the hospital, but said the president has been fever-free for over 24 hours after experiencing a fever “Thursday into Friday.” Conley declined to disclose the specific temperature of the president’s fever.
At the first press briefing from a doctor since Trump announced his positive test early Friday morning, Conley danced around questions about whether the president had ever been on oxygen, repeatedly saying he was not currently on it. He later said that Trump had not been on it Thursday, Friday or Saturday. Conley also said that Trump has not experienced difficulty breathing.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:32 am………
The doctors did not give a date of the president’s last negative test, which is important for understanding when exactly he contracted the virus and conducting contact tracing of those who might have become infected from contact with him.
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The more that leaks dominate the news the worse it is for the White House. The doctors and the White House need provide clear and accurate information, even it’s bad news. The more “happy talk” from them the bigger the shock when things go bad. But they won’t.
@67. Personal attack betray a lost arguement, Davey.
Joe knows why to avoid questions on multiple brain surgeries.
Same reason he avoid qustions on plagiarism, faked stories about military award ceremonies, his college credentials, going to prison w/Mandela– and growing up in Scranton– which he left at age 10 and has not lived there in 67 years.
His campaign pledge: ‘Be honest’– is a lie.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:51 am^69.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:51 am^70. Davey gets it.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:52 amHunter Biden’s network of wealthy, corrupt foreigners stretched from Moscow to Beijing
The Senate Republican report this week on Hunter Biden shows he amassed a network of shady foreign clients who pumped millions of dollars into his bank accounts — all while his dad, Joseph R. Biden, served as vice president.
The report traced the bank transfers based on U.S. government reports that “show potential criminal activity” by Mr. Biden, other family members, and business partners. The report’s phrasing is a sure indicator that Hunter Biden and his associates showed up by name in confidential Suspicious Activity Reports (SARS) issued by the Treasury Department.
In one instance, after Hunter Biden transferred nearly $2 million to his uncle––the money ultimately connected to Chinese businessmen––the bank inquired about the large amount. It then closed the account when the Bidens were not forthcoming, the Senate report said.
Hunter Biden’s financial sources: a Russian oligarch; a Ukraine oligarch; a Kazakhstan holding company and Chinese businessmen tied to the Communist Party and People’s Liberation Army (PLA).
Meanwhile, Hunter Biden, who has fought drug addiction, sent thousands of dollars to Russian and Ukraine women tied to human trafficking and prostitution, the report said.
Here are Mr. Biden’s major sources of big money, according to the senate report.
The Ukraine energy firm Burisma Holdings and its oligarch boss, Mykola Zlochevsky.
The State Department views Mr. Zlochevsky as one of the most corrupt men in Ukraine. He paid a $25 million bribe to the public prosecutor investigating his alleged money laundering, the Senate report said.
In April 2014, Vice President Biden became the Obama administration’s point man on Ukraine. His mission: convince the former Soviet state to tamp down rampant corruption.
The next month, Hunter Biden showed up on Burisma’s board of directors. He joined his business partner Devon Archer.
On the day in 2014 that Vice President Biden addressed the Ukraine parliament as the new Obama administration point man, Novatus Holding, a private company in Singapore, used a Latvian bank to wire $142,300 to Rosemont Seneca Bohai. The transaction report said “for Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC for a car.”
The sole shareholder of Novatus is Kenges Rakishev who has ties to Kazakhstan’s power elite. He sent the money to Hunter Biden’s partner at a time when the country was debating whether to approve of Russian’s invasion of Crimea that February.
Mr. Biden gleaned millions of dollars from China.
“Hunter Biden has extensive connections to Chinese businesses and Chinese foreign nationals that are linked to the Communist government,” the Senate report said. “Those contacts bore financial fruit when his father was vice president and after he left office.”
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:02 pmPoliticians In Line Behind Trump Say They’re Coronavirus-Free. But It May Be Too Soon To Know If That’s True.
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………[N]egative results, especially in the first few days of being infected, are not as conclusive as they may seem. Medical experts caution that they can’t be taken as a definitive sign that people are not infected, and operating under a false assumption of a clean bill of health could put others at risk.
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“There’s no single test that you can give someone and have absolute certainty they don’t have COVID,” Bill Morice, chair of laboratory medicine and pathology at the Mayo Clinic, told BuzzFeed News.
Under the 25th Amendment to the Constitution, Pence is next in the line of succession, followed by Pelosi and then Chuck Grassley, the Senate president pro tempore (a position generally given to the most senior senator in the majority party). Grassley had not come into contact with the president as recently as the others, but he did attend a hearing this week with Sen. Mike Lee, who tested positive Friday. Grassley, who has said he will not be tested, is followed by the secretary of state, Pompeo, and then the Treasury secretary, Mnuchin.
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Whether leaders in the line of succession and other members of Trump’s administration got infected would depend on factors such as how much time they spent with someone who tested positive, whether they were indoors or outdoors, and whether they were masked and keeping a distance from one another. But whether a test would pick up on that infection depends on when they got infected.
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What’s risky is if people get tested too early on, like within the first one or two days of an exposure, when the amount of virus in the body is too low to be detected. A person could get an inaccurate negative result and then, falsely believing they are healthy, possibly spread it to others.
“A negative test early after exposure tells you nothing about whether you’re infected or not,” said Ashish Jha, dean of the Brown University School of Public Health, in an interview Friday. “If somebody walks over right now and coughs in my face and I get the virus, it’s going to take a while for the virus to infect the tissues and replicate. A test today would be 100% negative. A test tomorrow would be close to 100% negative. A test on Sunday might be positive. But I would probably turn positive three to five days after exposure.”
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:08 pm………
@75-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:11 pmWell, I certainly won’t be voting for Hunter Biden for President…….or anyone else in 2020.
Not too concerned about what the doctors are ‘reporting’ about Trump.
Reagan was a lot closer to death than was revealed an reported at the time– something his doctors and family kept from the public for years. There’s a lot to consider beyond the supposed ‘right to know’– market reactions, national security issues and so forth. Go back and review how many CICs had ‘issues’ which were kept or cloaked from the public in the immediacy only to be revealed much later. Start w/Wilson.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:14 pmI agree, though we all assume the worst about Trump. The instability is baked in the cake because this administration’s spokesmen are so dishonest to their country, day in an day out. We have an election coming.
I’m not sympathetic to market reactions though. The president needs to stop caring about it, because it is no longer meaningful. Care about whether people can get a decent job, nothing more or less.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:18 pmLooking at Covid from a non-US viewpoint.
Marci (3afcd8) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:21 pm
Covid in 7 graphs
Sorry, forgot to close the link.
Marci (3afcd8) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:22 pmThe more positive descriptions of Trump’s health (without details) the worse things really are. Especially given his own dissembling about COVID as revealed by the Woodward tapes.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:27 pmAh Tucker, the man that should not be held responsible for defamation because everyone knows he’s a bloviating liar who can’t be taken seriously. At least that’s what Fox testified to in court.
@39 Even if you believe their timeline, Trump still met with a bunch of donors when he wasn’t feeling well AND they still failed to inform anyone who was at the debate or the subsequent fundraisers that they all could’ve been exposed.
@75 Guess we shouldn’t elect Hunter Biden to be President.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:32 pm@79. All the more reason to grill Biden on his own medical status brain surgeries and so forth. Don’t really think the ‘market’ reaction comes from Trump– it’s part of his act but that’s ‘baked in’ to the bigger picture by his economic team- and Wall Street input. That would go for whoever is in office, a D or R. It effects both the U.S. and int’l markets. Global economy; it’s not just a Trump thing.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:35 pmAs the last few months have shown, a strong stock market is no guarantee of a strong jobs market. But a weak stock market does virtually guarantee a weak jobs market. So he can’t ignore stocks entirely. It’s just that, as usual per this SOB, he’s got the corrupt Mar-a-Lago tail wagging the working class dog. To which injury he then adds the insult of scamming his credulous blue collar base into thinking it’s them he’s fighting for.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:36 pm@82. And what do Woodward’s tapes reveal about the health and multiple brain surgeries of Plagiarist Joe Biden?????
Oh. Right.
Joe’s a record player guy, anyway. Like his age: 78s
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:38 pmFor you, BnP-
Trump Allies: China Infected Trump With COVID-19
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“The Chinese Communist Party has biologically attacked our President,” declared Blair Brandt, a top Trump campaign fundraiser and an adviser to Lara Trump, the president’s daughter-in-law. “China must be held accountable,” he added. “From Wuhan to the White House, China must pay for what it’s done.”
While she stopped short of accusing China of biological warfare, Sen. Kelly Loeffler (R-GA) also pinned blame for the president’s diagnosis on the Chinese government and demanded retaliatory measures. “Remember: China gave this virus to our President @realDonaldTrump and First Lady @FLOTUS,” Loeffler wrote on Twitter on Friday morning. “WE MUST HOLD THEM ACCOUNTABLE.”
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:39 pm……..
Exactly how was this done? Did someone plant the virus in a White House take out order?
The more positive descriptions of Trump’s health (without details) the worse things really are.
Wishcasting on overdrive.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:39 pmTrump’s ego being impossible to sate, the prevarications/lies of omission by his care team are perfectly understandable.
It’s beyond stupid, though. Once legitimate concerns arise as to the veracity of the data we are given, THAT becomes a huge issue of itself.
The sympathy angle is greatly enhanced if the nature of the illness is known to be more severe than benign. It pays to exaggerate, not reduce, the actual peril.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:39 pm@82.The more positive descriptions of Reagan’s health (without details) the worse things really are.
Flashback, 1981: FIFY.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:46 pmExactly how was this done? Did someone plant the virus in a White House take out order?
Love the incredulous response, from someone who has blamed Trump for every Covid death.
beer ‘n pretzels (042d67) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:50 pmThe definitive Joe Biden interview:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrCPIrs90eg
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:52 pm‘ God-tier genetics’: A stunned MAGA world offers blame, adulation after Trump’s diagnosis
Donald Trump’s coronavirus diagnosis has stunned MAGA world, but it hasn’t changed how it reacts to bad news: blame others, accuse the left of craven behavior and cling tighter to the president.
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Out on the MAGA world fringes, people were divided. Some swiftly predicted rosy outcomes — the president was already healthy, he could take hydroxychloroquine, a much-hyped drug Trump has touted as a Covid-19 treatment with no conclusive evidence. Others concocted theories that the Democrats were, somehow, trying to steal the election once again.
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Yet the base’s response mirrors the way Trump has instructed his followers to react to any pandemic-related news: downplay, craft optimistic storylines and accuse the Democrats and media of obfuscation and vitriol. It’s how the president has reacted to nearly every unwelcome pandemic-related development in recent months, whether it was early concerns over personal protective equipment and hospital space, or a death toll that recently surpassed 200,000.
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“He works 20 hours a day. I think he’ll be tough,” said Mike Lindell, CEO of MyPillow and a Trump surrogate flirting with the Minnesota governorship, in an interview. “He’s a fighter. It’ll be tough to keep him down.”
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“ You’ve never seen him sick. You’ve never seen him without energy,” Brenden Dilley, a self-described “MAGA life coach,” told his viewers on his radio show Friday. “[He’s] not walking around with weak-ass, p—- f—— genetics. He ain’t got those liberal genes. These are, like, god-tier genetics; top 1-percentile genetics.”
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……… Trump’s most fervent supporters could hardly accept that Trump caught the disease in the first place, with some suggesting the Democrats — or perhaps the “deep state” — were somehow to blame.
“Does anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?” tweeted DeAnna Lorraine, a former congressional candidate who has backed baseless theories from the QAnon conspiracy movement, going on to blast masks as a Democrat-backed lie and questioning whether China had technically made an “assassination attempt” on the first family.
In the conspiracy swamps of QAnon social media, there was, oddly, a sense of elation: Trump’s infection was, in their opinion, another sign that Trump’s plan to purge the government of pedophiles was about to reach a culmination.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 12:57 pm………
And on Friday, according to various QAnon theorists, Trump had left a secret message to his followers in his announcement on Twitter that he had tested positive for Covid-19. Some suggested that his use of the word “together” was, in fact, code for “to get her,” a reference to attacks on his 2016 rival, Hillary Clinton. Others thought Trump’s quarantining was part of a broader plan to isolate the president from potential violence associated with the upcoming election.
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This would be Comedy Gold! if there weren’t so many people who actually believe this and are willing to act upon it.
This:
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:00 pmLove the incredulous response, from someone who has blamed Trump for every Covid death.
It’s called sarcasm. Trump is responsible for the ACB Covid Party, and it backfired bigly. He could have easily enforced mask wearing on the White House and Air Force 1, but chose not to. His national coronavirus policy is non-existent, resulting in some states opening themselves to escalating infection rates. It is his own fault.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:13 pmDoes God have bone-spurs too?
It’s funny how the MAGA-heads are so eager to parrot Trump’s own claims to be naturally, genetically superior to everyone else — at the same time as they’re decrying the arrogant “elites” who think they’re better than others.
There’s always an exception for Trump.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:14 pmPer Ben Collins (who follows conspiracy movements so we don’t have to), QAnon are feeling betrayed that Trump isn’t taking hydroxychloroquine.
Lol.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:20 pmAbout Swiss Policy Research…
Why are all the participants anonymous? More…
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:27 pmLet’s review Trump’s observations about genetic superiority:
Dana (292df6) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:30 pmDana, that quote is amazing.
He looks and acts like you crossed dwight schrute with jared loughner, and then put him 400 million in debt.
It’s inconvenient to political entities over history, but mutts are genetically superior for the most part. Those pure racehorses don’t actually have a great life, they wouldn’t be the best horse in the world.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:38 pm99. You can add to those what he said at a recent rally in Minnesota:
After which he informed the genetically blessed crowd that Joe Biden would turn Minnesota, which has a sizable Somali population, into a refugee camp.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:43 pmHe sounds more like a retarded, sorry differently abled, Goebbels.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:49 pmso who screwed up here
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/bethbaumann/2020/10/03/cleveland-officials-say-at-least-11-coronavirus-cases-can-be-traced-back-to-debate-planning-n2577413
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 1:54 pmIt’s weird how someone who boasts of having “great German blood,” and who warns heavily Nordic Minnesotans about an influx of a different sort of people, might be considered racist.
There are reasonable concerns about the results of a large and rapid infux of people from a very different culture who believe that the host country should adapt to them, not vice versa, and I’ve seen lots of evidence of the problems that arise in that situation (e.g. more violence in European cities that used to be quite safe; more restrictions on what the indigenous population may say or do). But the idea that Trump had any deep understanding of those issues was always fantasy.
He has made it all about genetics — while boasting of his membership in the Master Race — thus discrediting any discussion of the cultural questions.
And some people who used to be insightful on the cultural questions have discredited themselves with their insistence that Trump was the best answer, or the only answer.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:02 pmThe squirrels, obviously.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:03 pmReuters
@Reuters
Pope signs new encyclical, but is title inclusive enough? http://reut.rs/2GdIDLt
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Being Italian I can assure you that we use the word “Fratelli “ to mean brothers and sisters so it is inclusive.
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American liberalism sets its sights on the Italian language
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Looking forward to Reuters’ next linguistic critique of a fatwa.
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Troll Not A Bot
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Is it written in Latinx?
harkin (6a5785) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:04 pm__ _
But the idea that Trump had any deep understanding of those issues was always fantasy.
Taking issue with that might provoke a very deep “you ain’t black” response.
beer ‘n pretzels (59865f) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:07 pm“Clearly the doctor must think journalists are stupid. He keeps dodging and dodging their questions.” – Wolf Blitzer, CNN 5:05 P EDT, 10/3/20
Well, Wolf, if the shoe fits. When was the last time “journalists” quizzed brain-damaged Plagiarist Joe Biden about his multiple brain surgeries, his history of plagiarism, his faked stories about military award ceremonies, arrest w/Mandela, faked college credentials and, again, his multiple brain surgeries.
Where’s Sam Donaldson when you need him?
Ask Joe, Wolf. ASK HIM… stupid.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:15 pmTaking issue with what? And who would be “taking issue”? And who would be responding thus?
Is it your belief that Trump has actually studied the cultural (and historical) questions I’m referring to?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:22 pmYou know, if only someone–anyone–would bring up Biden’s “multiple brain surgeries” in order to squirrel attention away from a fat 74-year old in the hospital with CV19, on supplemental oxygen.
But there was the release of a three-page summary from Biden’s doctor, and it addresses those brain surgeries. I suppose his detractors could chant, “We demand an update to his 2014 CT angiogram!”
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:25 pmharkin,
I responded to your question about Mormons and Coke on the preceding thread.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 2:35 pm@109. Are you high or just hate Trump so much you’re in a blind rage? There is no third option. Trump’s doctors put out ‘releases’ about his health repeatedly long ago and the press hounds and hounds the doctors. It doesn’t stop the press badgering. The multiple brain surgeries of Joe Biden are hardly squirrel attention– unless you are nuts, too. Wallace should have asked him about his heath right off.
Biden’s cranium has been pried open and his brain tissue tinkered with multiple times. He has some medical device still implanted in his brain tissue per the NYT report in 1988. The status of Biden’s brain, his thinking processes, his mental acuity and his emotional mindset are fair game for a 78 year old seeking the presidency. Unless you hate Trump so much you’re willing to risk having another Wilson. Or a President Harris. American voters deserve to hear from Biden’s own mouth, in his own words, the status of his head today and his overall health andif he can’t stand up- kiterally and figuratively– to a 45 minyute press conference on it he sure as hell won’t be able to stand up to China– or Russia.
… and Putin smiled.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 3:32 pmBREAKING NEWS:
qdpsteve (8d496a) — 10/3/2020 @ 3:43 pmThe strain of CV19 currently infecting PDT has just signed up for its own Twitter account.
Perseveration definitions
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:00 pmin other news a lot of formerly Godless Democrats are re-thinking their theology.
JRH (52aed3) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:23 pmnk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:00 pm
Heh! Quite an ostinato, sir! I swear I heard Boléro in the background.
felipe (023cc9) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:30 pmGOP Sen. Ron Johnson Went to Oktoberfest Party While Awaiting COVID-19 Test Results
U.S. Senator Ron Johnson tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. But, after finding out he had the virus, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans to date, the Wisconsin Republican still chose to attend an Oktoberfest fundraising dinner that evening.
Johnson, who didn’t reveal his diagnosis until Saturday, justified his behavior in comments to the Madison, Wisconsin Capital Times by saying he only took his mask off when it was time to address the crowd. He also insisted that he was “at least 12 feet from anybody” during his speech at the event, which was sponsored by the Ozaukee County Republican Party……
“I feel fine, I feel completely normal,” he said in a conference call with reporters, adding that he didn’t “stick around” to mingle at the dinner.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:33 pm………
News of Johnson’s diagnosis comes as Wisconsins’ COVID-19 cases and deaths have risen to record levels.
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What a f****king idiot. I’m sure all his fellow attendees feel the same way.
Thank you, felipe.
Incontrovertibly the introduction of the personal equation leads to lamentable inversions, and the perceptive faculties when contemplating phenomena through the lens of ego too often conceive an accidental connotation or manifest distortion to be actuality, for the physical (or personal) too often beclouds that power of inner vision which so unerringly penetrates to the inherent truths of incorporeity and the extramundane.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:48 pmNow CNN whiners are probing Melania and her time at WR for a kidney ailment.
All kidding aside, this isn’t right. Biden had multiple brain surgeries at WR and has been given a complete pass by today’s press on his health and status.
It’s clearly biased; and just not right.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:51 pmI’ve yet to see you or any other Trump apologist direct an iota of blame at one of them, while pretending the other bears all the responsibility.
If Bernie had been president we’d probably have blamed it all on them and seized their bonds.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:51 pmHe has been Bill Buckley’d.
That RINO wimp!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:53 pm@121. Buckley chased out the WACKOS– not the RINOS, Kevin.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:55 pmHot flash: or she’s through menopause by then.
Spoken like a true Trump fan.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:55 pm@123. It’s a fact of life, Kevin; goes with the territory.
Dressing like man won’t make you one. Ask Hillary.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 4:57 pmSo, the more we hear about Hunter (“Bagman”) Biden, it seems the wrong Biden released his tax returns.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:01 pmTrump Allies: China Infected Trump With COVID-19
Not just doctors!
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:02 pmJewishChinese doctors!Well, Wolf, if the shoe fits. When was the last time “journalists” quizzed brain-damaged
Because they aren’t crazy people who obsess over the most silly things?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:05 pmGOP Sen. Ron Johnson Went to Oktoberfest Party While Awaiting COVID-19 Test Results
U.S. Senator Ron Johnson tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday. But, after finding out he had the virus, which has killed more than 220,000 Americans to date, the Wisconsin Republican still chose to attend an Oktoberfest fundraising dinner that evening.
Which is it?: awaiting results or had results?
Not that the basic point is wrong.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:08 pmCan we add “multiple brain surgeries” to the
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:09 pmidiotfilter?Just how bad was that debate performance? This bad.
This was my immediate reaction to the President’s 90-minute tantrum. Senate candidates are now in a terrible bind: disavow Trump and lose the hard-core Trump vote (who would rather elect a Democrat than an apostate) or lose everybody else.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:20 pmSorry, link: https://www.axios.com/gop-great-depression-trump-coronavirus-covid19-74bcbf69-d14a-40a1-9867-ff7a277a0f68.html
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:20 pm@129. Truth bothers you, doesn’t it, Kevin. Common with Nixon apologists.;-)
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:27 pmYep, the press gaggle this AM with Trump’s physician was a complete cock-up.
Paul Montagu (4c5375) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:32 pmhttps://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/white-house-spreads-covid-19-and-lies-about-trumps-health.html
Cleveland Clinic:
“Most importantly, everyone permitted inside the debate hall tested negative for COVID-19 prior to entry. Individuals traveling with both candidates, including the candidates themselves, had been tested and tested negative by their respective campaigns.”
and
It’s important to clarify the 11 people who tested positive never accessed the debate hall. These individuals were either members of the media or were scheduled to work logistics/set-up in the days prior to the event. Individuals did not receive credentials or tickets to enter the debate hall until they had a negative test, and all were advised to isolate while they awaited their test results.”
steveg (43b7a5) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:33 pmThis raises the questions of what size group of people yielded 11 positives and while we understand they did not personally enter the debate hall, did they handle/touch anything that went into the debate hall?
@127. Because they aren’t crazy people who obsess over the most silly things?
Of course they’re crazy people, Kevin; do pay attention:
“I’m MAD as HELL and I’m not going to take this any more!” – Howard Beale UBS News anchorman [Peter Finch] ‘Network’ 1976
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:33 pm“What a tangled web we weave, once we practice to deceive.” They can’t even agree to one story and get it straight.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:34 pm@136. Reaganoptics. 😉 See Iran-Contra for details.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:36 pmI wonder (but not much). Should Trump die from this will he “die” like Elvis did to his fans? Will there be a mythology that he is alive and hiding out with a new identity in Outer Idaho to avoid assassination by Deep State? Will there be sightings? Statues of him found on Mars? Inquiring minds want to know.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:39 pmAs legit as the atlantic piece (did goldberg apologize, sarc) i see why axios earns ppp money while other didnt.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:42 pm“This raises the questions of what size group of people yielded 11 positives and while we understand they did not personally enter the debate hall, did they handle/touch anything that went into the debate hall?”
Trump almost certainly had covid prior to the debate. He wasn’t tested before the debate because he arrived late.
Davethulhu (47d7cb) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:42 pm@138. Inquiring minds wonder who’ll play him in the movie of himself.
If he could; he would.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:43 pmAs virus spreads across GOP ranks, some Republicans say party will pay price for ‘stupid’ approach
1) Make an aggressively ignorant con-man your standard bearer
2) Spinelessly defend his criminal insanity at every opportunity
3) ?????
4) Become “the stupid party”.
Own it, brothers.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:44 pm@140. Which means Plagiarist JoeyBee was exposed on stage for 90 minutes to an asperating Trump, inhaling his exhaled bug -along w/Wallace– w/o a mask only 4 days ago and there’s a 14 day incubation period.
There has to be a Vegas line on when Biden contracts Covid.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:49 pm@142.Shorter:Reaganoptics.
He is you.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:50 pmIs Patrick also Trump, Deezy-eska?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:56 pmTrump almost certainly had covid prior to the debate.
Almost certainly this is BS, like that other gun in the Portland shooting you were almost certain about, Davethulhu.
beer ‘n pretzels (7af8c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:02 pmHere’s the full Quote
Small problems…
1) They didn’t enforce the masks, as every Trump guest besides Melania was unmasked, and she took of the mask when she went to touch her diseased husband.
2) Relying on the “campaigns” to test doesn’t seem to have work out that well, since they’re obviously not actually doing any testing consistently on the Trump campaign, or White House.
3) Those 11 don’t include the Trump campaign folks, or anyone else that actually attended the debates, because that is in reference to a previous news release from the city of Cleveland.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:04 pmDon’t you guys understand? Trump had himself infected in order to pass it on to Biden. The collateral damage was planned to provide obfuscation/cover for the “plan.” Whether it worked, or not, remains to be seen. Nothing is as it appears. Not even this comment. :-O
felipe (023cc9) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:04 pmRadegunda,
I loved your comment at 104. It is about culture, not about race.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:04 pm“Almost certainly this is BS, like that other gun in the Portland shooting you were almost certain about, Davethulhu.”
What is the incubation period for covid, bnp?
Davethulhu (47d7cb) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:08 pmI don’t think Trump has Covid at all. I agree with just plain Dave. I think he has become a big liability to Senate Republicans. In 1974, they were able to talk Nixon into resigning. Now, all these crapweasels could do is talk Trump into faking Covid and checking into a hospital, away from debates and the media focus on his health instead of his tax returns and his son’s MILF.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:09 pmMike K., a doctor who used to comment on this blog, once stated that two groups of people don’t get the best medical care–the poor, because they can’t afford it, and the rich, because they think they know better than doctors, or can afford to hire a doctor who will do their bidding. See Steve Jobs and Michael Jackson, for example.
I wonder if Trump is doing the same thing.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:11 pmAlmost certainly it is not, you believe that Trump is the one person to have symptoms within 2 days of being exposed on the planet?
Or that maybe he was infected along with the mass of others at the ACB event last Saturday…you know, the last time Kellyanne was around the Trumpz.
Or maybe the fact that the White House and campaign have ignored common sense, reality, and their own experts for months, that the inevitable happened at a pretty inopportune time for them personally? Weird how the folks that didn’t ignore all of that, also haven’t become infected.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:11 pmTrump’s 4-minute message about his fight with “coronavirus or whatever you want to call it” sounded okay, reasonable even. Multiple times he said the next couple of days will be important to his prognosis. His breathing sounded slightly labored.
However, today’s messaging exemplifies this administration, with happytalk propaganda and off-the-record conflicting statements. We’re not getting relevant information officially, and mainstream media has ply their sources to find out what’s really going on. The ultimate result is that, yes, you basically have to presume what they’re saying is false until you can confirm it’s true, as well laid out by Mr. Sherman:
Trump should feel fear, and not just the fear of losing an election. It’s the same fear that 7.5 million of Americans felt upon learning their tests were positive.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:12 pm@145. He’s disowned him; he has made no secret of leaving the party.
He has principles and is sticking to them.
That is admirable, Davey.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:16 pmTrump looks completely unhealthy in that video he posted…just like last month and last year. His spray tan looks to need an update, and he picked the wrong wig too.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:20 pmYou heard it here first: won’t be surprised if Biden contracts Covid… and they count it back to the debate night time frame. And given his frailty and age– and that pesky cough he already has… he is likely at very great risk.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:21 pmTucker is so full of it. His analogy falls apart when you consider that a rapist has a choice when confronted with a provocatively-dressed woman. The virus doesn’t have a choice when there is an opportunity to infect a person, because viruses cannot choose. They aren’t sentient organisms, you dumb f***.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:23 pm@156. He did look a tad gaunt in the cheeks. Needs a few cheeseburgers and a 2-liter IV of Diet Coke to buck him up.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:24 pm@157-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:26 pmWishcasting?
@159 What is up with people who consume a big meal and wash it down with Diet Coke? It seems like cognitive dissonance to me.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:28 pm@160. Reality TeeVee.
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@161. ?????
‘You’re gonna drink it just for the taste of it!’ :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMTrnulJQ8
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:35 pm@154 He’s definitely having trouble breathing. It’s both distinctive and audible when he stops every few words for a shallow inhale.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:36 pmLittle evidence that White House has offered contact tracing, guidance to hundreds potentially exposed
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The crisis within a crisis is emblematic of an administration that has often mocked or ignored the coronavirus guidance of its own medical experts. In this case, the failure to move swiftly potentially jeopardized the health of their own supporters and those close to them, who might fall ill and unwittingly spread the infection to others.
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The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention had a contact tracing team ready to go, according to multiple sources, but had not been asked to mobilize, even though White House physician Sean Conley said at a press briefing that his team was working with the agency.
Conley also said he was coordinating with local health agencies, but officials in Minnesota, Ohio and New Jersey, where Trump held events in recent days, said they haven’t heard from the White House and are racing largely on their own to find people potentially exposed to the virus.
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No one, however, had received expert guidance, which generally urges people with known exposure to an infected person to remain quarantined for 14 days regardless of a negative test result. Exposure is generally defined as contact within six feet for more than 15 minutes.
The crisis has exposed anew how the White House has operated as if it were insulated from a virus officials regarded as overhyped and not nearly as contagious as the one scientists and doctors have been meticulously studying since January.
But now the White House and the president’s reelection campaign appear to have become superspreading operations, with the case count climbing seemingly by the hour.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:37 pm…….
QAnoners are rallying behind Trump with some new conspiracy theories.
And here’s a choice chin-rubber.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:37 pm@164. CSPAN has it covered.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:40 pm@165 No, no one finds it odd. The Dems are masking and social distancing and not holding golf fundraisers and dinner fundraisers and unmasked parties in the Rose Garden. No one finds it strange that the people following medical advice aren’t getting sick as much.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:40 pm@161. ?????
‘You’re gonna drink it just for the taste of it!’ :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RMTrnulJQ8
Yet another manifestation of the Big Lie propaganda technique.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:41 pmWhile his brother was a one man vector
https://pjmedia.com/news-and-politics/rick-moran/2020/10/03/it-never-happened-cuomo-says-about-causing-covid-nursing-home-deaths-n1001026
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:47 pmI know you like to mimic other comments just to say the opposite. I’m not sure why you do that a lot, but it’s either to muddy the waters or to be obnoxious. If Trump tested positive on Wednesday, he had the virus on Tuesday. You are wrong.
This has nothing to do with the Portland Shooting. You Trump fans need to recognize that cataloguing everything someone says to quote it back months or years later is creepy and irrational. Portland and guns have nothing to do with the incubation of a virus in Trump’s body. Trump fan (who totally isn’t a Trump supporter)
Trump’s family obnoxiously refusing to wear masks at the debate is how a royal family would act 400 years ago. That he has anonymous fans fighting tooth and nail to defend their COVID approach is honestly amazing. why not just admit the error this time? He is in the hospital.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:48 pm@168. You have to be dead inside [or in Forest Lawn] to not feel the life in these spots…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lkSBNfYCQ
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:49 pm165. MAGA tweeter @AnthemRespect, whose profile includes the banner, “hydroxychloroqhite — what have you got to lose?”, and who brags of five retweets by Trump, is offering a $250,000 reward for information leading to the arrest of whoever dosed the boss. (My money’s on George Conway).
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:52 pm(Sorry, that hydroxy typo was mine, not the MAGA ding-dong’s.)
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:53 pmTruth bothers you, doesn’t it, Kevin. Common with Nixon apologists
Who’s apologizing. Nixon was a great president brought down by the Deep State.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 6:59 pm@171 Oh, I admit they’re great ads.
For a crappy product.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:02 pmMake an aggressively ignorant con-man your standard bearer
The GOP did not do that, voters inflicted that. But come 2021, no one will admit to being a Trump supporter.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:03 pmDoes anyone else find it odd that no prominent Democrats have had the virus but the list of Republicans goes on and on?
Yes! I also find it odd that only skydivers have their chutes fail.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:07 pmThey aren’t sentient organisms
The aren’t even organisms. They are loose genetic material.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:09 pm(My money’s on George Conway).
No way! My money is on Trump’s KGB handler. Mela-a-nia? Putin knows that Trump in the hospital has a better chance of reelection than on the campaign trail. And there has been no poisoner like Putin since the Borgias.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:09 pmWhat is up with people who consume a big meal and wash it down with Diet Coke? It seems like cognitive dissonance to me
It’s harm reduction.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:11 pm@178 Good point. That makes Tucker even more ridiculous!
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:12 pmThat assumes she would be in close enough physical contact with her husband, but she doesn’t want his small hands near her. My nickel is on Hicks.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:15 pm@180. No. It’s marketing. American as lard-laden, sugary, Mom’s Apple Pie.
Reaganomics.;-)
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:16 pmOops, link.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:16 pm@175 Aspartame: terrible yesterday, terrible today, terrible tomorrow.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:18 pmCarlson Tucker is not dumb, only his audience is. He knew exactly what he was saying and to whom he was saying it. The precise word is “disingenuous” but “lie” will do as well.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:18 pmWho’s apologizing. Nixon was a great president brought down by the Deep State.
And here we thought it was Sony, Memorex….and his own words. Voice-Activated-Microphones do make bigoted crooks ‘perfectly clear’.. don’t they. 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:20 pm@185. Now you know why ‘MadMen’ rebranded it with healthy sounding name… NutraSweet 😉
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:23 pmNixon was the worst Republican president prior to Trump.
Had he not opened the door to China, that country might still be an economic backwater. Had he not signed the Shanghai Communique, the U.S. could have supported de jure independence for Taiwan.
He started the lamentable War on Drugs, which has been a complete failure, and has ensured lasting corruption in Mexico from top to bottom.
He implemented wage and price controls, evincing an inability to grasp even the basics of economics and capitalism.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:27 pm@188 Just like rapeseed oil became canola oil.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:31 pmSometimes Trump’s style is malevolence tempered by incompetence, but sometimes it’s just plain old incompetence.
While the truest believers will tell you that it “appears to almost be targeted strike of Covid-19”, the likely reality is that crap testing allowed infected people to get too close to POTUS.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:36 pm@186 You got me there, nk. Tucker isn’t dumb. He has become rich and famous with his crafty rhetoric.
He has even managed to brainwash this lefty guy I knew at BYU who went on to open a counterculture bookstore right in the heart of Mormondom. I was so shocked when I heard that he had a falling out with another lefty friend, and that he was a Tucker fan! This guy is a self-described pothead!
I wonder if his moving to Portland had anything to do with it. Maybe he saw the loony people up there and decided that Utah culture wasn’t so bad after all.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:46 pmHad he not opened the door to China, that country might still be an economic backwater. Had he not signed the Shanghai Communique, the U.S. could have supported de jure independence for Taiwan.
And we would not have been able to squeeze the breath out of the Soviet Union, which was the whole point of the exercise. Nixon was a deep strategic thinker.
Yes, of course, 50 years on, we have consequences. Most politicians grand schemes break down much sooner. And the jury is still out on China … they are still afraid of democratic change, so much so that they constantly weed it out. This isn’t an act of strength.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:46 pmAnd now for something completely different…..
Top aides accuse Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton of bribery, abusing office
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In a one-page letter to the state agency’s director of human resources, obtained Saturday by the American-Statesman and KVUE-TV, seven executives in the upper tiers of the office said that they are seeking the investigation into Paxton “in his official capacity as the current Attorney General of Texas.”
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The letter to human resources was signed by Paxton’s first assistant, Jeff Mateer, who resigned Friday, and Mateer’s deputy Ryan Bangert. It is also signed by James Blake Brickman, Lacey Mase, Darren McCarty, Mark Penley and Ryan Vassar, who are deputy attorneys general overseeing the divisions of policy, administration, civil litigation, criminal investigations and legal counsel.
“We have a good faith belief that the attorney general is violating federal and/or state law including prohibitions related to improper influence, abuse of office, bribery and other potential criminal offenses,” the letter states.
Their decisions to report possible illegal activity involving their employer represents a stunning development in an agency that prizes loyalty, particularly from within Paxton’s inner circle. It places a renewed spotlight on Paxton, who is already under indictment for alleged securities fraud.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:46 pm…….
The complaint concluded by saying that they notified Paxton in a text message Thursday that they had reported the alleged violations to law enforcement.
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He implemented wage and price controls, evincing an inability to grasp even the basics of economics and capitalism.
We were all Keynesians then (although Keynes would have objected to what they called Keynesian).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:48 pmThe complaint concluded by saying that they notified Paxton in a text message Thursday that they had reported the alleged violations to law enforcement.
“Sir, we are shocked … SHOCKED … to find that bribery is happening here!”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:49 pmSurprise
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/vatican-cardinal-spent-800000-to-discredit-cardinal-pell-during-sex-abuse-trial-report
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:57 pm@193 I’m not sure that opening up relations with China helped squeeze the breath out of the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union didn’t fall until 1991, and I’m fairly certain China was trading with it in the years leading up to the fall.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 7:57 pm@197 Who needs The Da Vinci Code when there is real-life skulduggery like that going on?
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:03 pmMaybe, but I’m not forgetting. If they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote. If they’re pundits or just regular folk, I’ll never take them seriously.
Believe it or not — and I can practically hear the howls of laughter as I type this — it isn’t a personal thing. It’s about credibility, not character. I have Trump supporters in my life who I’m certain are decent to the core. They’re pillars of everything Trump is an affront to. I refuse to throw them overboard for defending someone I’m equally certain violates every precept their own commitment to makes them so admirable. I just have to live with that cognitive dissonance. I take it as a reminder there are lots of things beyond my modest ability to understand.
But even those people, as much as I respect and even love some of them, I’m done taking their opinions seriously. As far as I’m concerned, standing behind Trump is a lifetime credibility killer. And to be clear, I’ve stayed open to the opinions of people who believed the Clintons killed Vince Foster and Bush was behind 9/11 (different people, obviously). But this is worse. I don’t see how you come back from this.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:03 pmSome people claim
That there’s a woman to blame
….
Yup. It was Hillary.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:07 pmThat got Trump elected I mean. And he knows it.
nk (1d9030) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:07 pmIf they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote.
Maybe some of the people who went along were just practicing realpolitik.
Did you see where Patrick made a distinction between pragmatic Trump voters and Trump fans?
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:11 pm203. I’m talking about Trump supporters, not Trump voters. I make the same distinction Patrick does.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:16 pmMao left a red ledger of 40-60 million, they sponsored the khmer rouge they provided material amd personnel to the north korean program (as well as the soviets) they were the model for zinbabwe they contributed to the pakistani nuclear program and we handed our industrial plant to them
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:33 pmCan one think of a more cynical bargain, cgn was trafficking in nuclear secrets for 20 years, huawei has been around nearly as long.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:35 pm@204 I make the distinction when it comes to politicians as well. It’s more than possible that some of them did the math, and realized that they could cooperate with Trump and get some good policy enacted, or ride a high horse and get primaried out of their seat by a true believer, who would either go on to win or lose to a leftist.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:38 pmThat was the wisemen from nixon to obama, who didnt have a random remark but set policy. The ones who handed hong kong over to china (the iron lady doesnt come ofc that well, neither here nor in zimbabwe)
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:43 pm@188 and yet, still terrible. Aspartame by any other is still as vile.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:52 pmI knew the Senate race in SC was close but, after watching this, it’s the first time that I’m thinking Graham is going to lose. Terrible boilerplate answer by Graham, perfectly contrasted answer by this opponent.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:52 pmAspertame is terrible, id rather have natural flavor.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:54 pmA suspected russian spy was shoveling the garbage at you for three years, while another real agent peter dobbins was given free reign.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:58 pm@208 Well, considering that Britain waged war against China because China didn’t want to buy any more opium, and then forced China to sign over Hong Kong, it wouldn’t have been seemly to try and keep it as a colony.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:59 pmThe chinese havent forgotten see michael pillsburys thesis, see the work of marshal chi haotian, this is why were short sided.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:02 pm@209 Yes. For me, it’s either real sugar or no sweetener at all.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:02 pmAnd dont even get me started on splenda, how was that even legal?
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:04 pm@215 I agree, though I’ll take honey too, depending.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:05 pm207. A person can vote for Trump without lying for him or about him, being a dick, or otherwise aping him. And many do. GOP politicians seem to have a harder time keeping that separation, maybe because Trump turns on those who try, or maybe because they really are dishonest, unprincipled hacks. Either way they’re dead to me.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:27 pmBreaking- with so much to work with SNL season opener and its new spin on dark humor really, genuinely, truly sucks.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:29 pmAsk steven scalise about that
https://mobile.twitter.com/CurtisHouck/status/1312611965605425153
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:53 pmBut you know tucker carlsom was too sensitive.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:55 pmMaybe, but I’m not forgetting. If they’re in politics they’ll never get my vote
And the Trumpies say the same thing about your guys. And the Democrats chortle and make popcorn.
Why do you hate liberty so?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:59 pmI’m talking about Trump supporters, not Trump voters. I make the same distinction Patrick does.
A professional politician has two choices when guy like Trump takes over their party (well, three, but not everyone has a gimme seat like Romney). They can quit and go home, like Ryan, or they can smile, nod and make nice when the guy is looking, and work around him best they can.
Ryan’s move was principled and selfish. The ones who remained were the profiles in courage. Because they stood there and kept things together while people like you were calling them names from your comfy armchair.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:03 pmTrump will be remembered for all the things he said he’d do, but didn’t.
Reagan moved the world, Left to Right, with an opposition House and courts. HE didn’t blame everyone else, and he didn’t claim the credit if someone else got the thing done. But he got the thing done.
I have nothing but contempt for Donald Trump; he was the worst thing that could happen to the causes he claimed to believe in. He failed EVERYWHERE.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:07 pmAspartame by any other is still as vile.
Stevia, especially as a cut for sugar, isn’t so bad.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:09 pmKept things together? They enabled a demagogue, and autocrat wannabe. Screw your keeping that together.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:09 pmQuestion, for anyone but DCSCA: What about Nikki Haley? She serve Trump for 2 years as UN Ambassador, parted on good terms, spoke up for Trump a few times when Trump was right, and never knuckled under.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:11 pmKept things together? They enabled a demagogue, and autocrat wannabe. Screw your keeping that together.
And your way would have a 8-1 Leftist supreme court, the guns rounded up and tax rates in the sky.
But you’d be pure. It’s all about you and how you see yourself, right? Never willing to be the guy to take the hits for the team.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:13 pmThe day that Trump had the nomination locked up was the day professional politicians had to make a choice. Run home to mommy or deal with the card they were dealt.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:14 pmScrew your keeping that together.
Screw your sanctimony. Nobody buys it.
beer ‘n pretzels (e0f083) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:27 pmSomething equally absurd
https://youtu.be/eTEeIuVLUVg
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:36 pmTrump Aide Luna Tests Positive for Virus in New White House Case
White House aide Nick Luna, who serves as a personal attendant to President Donald Trump, has tested positive for coronavirus infection, according to people familiar with the matter.
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Known as one of Trump’s so-called body men, Luna is the latest member of Trump’s inner circle of White House personnel to contract coronavirus…….
Luna, who runs Oval Office operations for the White House, accompanied Trump on his trip to Cleveland for the presidential debate on Tuesday and was also aboard Air Force One on the Minnesota trip when Hicks first began experiencing symptoms.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:37 pm…….
In his job as a body man, Luna travels closely with the president, holding papers and helping keep Trump’s schedule.
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@217 Oh, yes. By real sugar I mean anything that is not too far removed from nature–evaporated cane juice, honey, date paste, agave syrup, etc.
I’m skeptical of something as new-fangled and highly processed as stevia, even if it tastes good.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:43 pmLook, we live in a country where, for better or worse, the People elect their leaders. We have a party system. In the moment, this is headed by the worst president we have ever had, and I pray the worst president we will ever have.
But Trump was elected according to the rules, and at that point the GOP members of Congress had two choices: they could abandon their jobs and find something else to do with their lives. Or, they could deal with the situation as it was, not how they wished it to be.
Most of them decided to make the most of a bad deal, primarily by seating judges that Trump appointed from a list he was handed. And they tried to outlast the man-child. Those that quit, well, they are out of politics, so their choices don’t really matter any more. They were ultimately the ineffective ones.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:52 pm@232
What’s really odd is that most people prefer soft drinks with HFCS instead of sugar, because “sugar tastes funny.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:54 pmReagan moved the world, Left to Right, with an opposition House and courts.
ROFLMAOPIP. “Aspartame by any other is still as vile.”
Reaganoptics can lead to diabetes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:16 pm@224.I have nothing but contempt for Donald Trump; he was the worst thing that could happen to the causes he claimed to believe in. He failed EVERYWHERE.
Failed everywhere?
Where do you park your helicopters? Are you between mistresses or on hot sexy trophy wife number 2 or number 3? Which of your golf courses, mansions, name-saked buildings and hotels/casinos worldwide do you like best– and which banks have you suckered thanks to Reaganomics to shoulder the debt to finance it?
Don’t hate yourself, K: Trump is a Reagan Creation. He is you.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:25 pmShe went on TV many times to whitewash his Ukrainian crimes when she could (and should) have kept her mouth shut.
When she had a choice between America and Trump, she chose Trump.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:31 pmWTF are you talking about, and what team am I supposed to take a hit for? I have neither a party nor an ideology to be pure to or to take hits for. I’m a registered independent and the closest thing I have to an ideology is the Golden Rule. And yes, Trump is the foulest insult to that ideology I’ve ever seen in public office.
If being adamantly opposed to a human trash heap of historical dimensions makes me a purist in your book, I’d love to see what your book has to say about unprincipled quislings who used to think character and decency mattered. Oh wait, I know, it says “but my tax cuts and judges.” Well excuse me for not thinking that justifies putting the worst person ever to get near the White House in charge of the greatest country in the world.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:50 pmIf you mean you and other Trump fans, I’ll give your opinion the consideration it deserves.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:52 pmSure, he picks off and torments lone dissidents. How does that make obsequious surrender the only option. For one thing, if they’d stood up en masse it might have reminded them they actually have some of the power in that relationship. How voters would have reacted to that we’ll never know.
But let’s say putting country over party would indeed have meant losing their seats in the next election. So? I’m supposed to care that a politician has to make an honest living because he did his job of standing up to a malignantly disordered demagogue? Sorry, not sorry.
And not that it matters, but you know nobody’s next job would have meant a pay cut unless they wanted it to.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:25 amGreat comments lurker.
I agree that a properly assertive GOP could have read Trump the Riot Act early on, and backed it up with the power of the purse (e.g. cutting budgets for travel and White House luxuries) if necessary.
The ironic thing is that Trump would have understood that transactional approach, while (as subsequent events have shown clearly) any other was doomed to failure.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:42 amDave’s right: lurker those are great comments.
It’s not sanctimony when the principles are so basic, the application so regular. It only seems extreme or sanctimonious to those who have worn Trump as a badge of honor, and tried to blame all his failures, such as contracting COVID, on everyone but Trump.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:54 am@239/240/241.
The Golden Rule: A CIC has to be a SOB.
Trump is.
Biden is not.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:26 amWe will just have to disagree. If the people who you are so disappointed in had cut and run, their seats would have been filled by Trump’s picks. But go ahead with your insane war of retribution. You may yet do more harm to the conservative cause than Trump did.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:36 amIt is always a pleasure to read such a well-reasoned comment. Thank you, lurker.
felipe (023cc9) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:57 amPope Francis closes the door on the death penalty in ‘Fratelli Tutti’
You heard it from me first, on the day Amy Barrett was inaugurated (and don’t be surprised by the decision in Barr v. Seven Unnamed Mackerels which will soon follow it, either).
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:40 amAnd, I completely agree with lurker. I mean, really, seriously, Trump as President is the price we have to pay to keep Kelly Loeffler in the Senate and Elaine Chao in the Cabinet? It does not compute.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:47 amTrump in Walter Reed Photo-Op Appears to Sign Blank Paper to Show He’s Well and ‘Relentless’
They also had a costume change in those ten minutes to create the illusion of time passing.
And (of course) he isn’t wearing a mask in either photo, despite being infected and in proximity to at least one other person.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:11 am“The Apprentice: Part Duh!”.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:16 amAnyone who thought that the most dishonest and corrupt administration in American history would suddenly start playing it straight during this, its greatest scandal, is out of their mind.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:28 am248, that is like walking AND chewing gum – something I wish about 1/2 of Biden’s Cook County vote would learn to do with regard to the Cook County SA race.
Though if the Senate is flipped (and there could be “cushion” if Graham goes down in the electoral sense), I wouldn’t mind “Trump from day 1” Collins beating Loeffler. What did she expect with buying a WNBA franchise?
urbanleftbehind (727795) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:55 amSome patriot needs to retrieve that blank page Trump signed from the toxic waste disposal bin, and print the words:
“I hereby resign the office of the presidency, effective immediately.”
across the top.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:02 amAnd when they try to claim it’s invalid, we can point to the photo of him signing it.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:05 amSome comrades don’t understand that a son-of-a-b!tch is still a dog. Have I told you that my neighbors’ five-pound Yorkie actually says (and I know what “says” means) “Arf!”?
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:08 amBiden’s national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in NBC News/WSJ poll
Joe Biden’s lead has nearly doubled since Tuesday’s debate with voters saying by a 2-to-1 margin that he has the better temperament to be president.
Anybody really doubt that Trump is malingering and that Walter Reed is his bunker that he slinked to like a kicked dog?
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:12 amHoly Angels retail businesses in Belmont close as precaution after Ivanka Trump visit
Cherubs Café, Cotton Candy Factory and Bliss Gallery in downtown Belmont closed for deep cleaning on Friday after a visit from Ivanka Trump.
Trump visited those three retail establishments, all operated by local nonprofit organization Holy Angels, on Thursday. Her father, President Donald Trump, announced early Friday that he and First Lady Melania Trump have contracted Covid-19.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:24 am………
“As a precaution, we will be performing a deep cleaning of Cherubs Café, Cotton Candy Factory and Bliss Gallery today. While our protocols have always exceeded the CDC Guidelines, we want to ensure the safety of our employees and customers,” nonprofit Holy Angels posted on Facebook.
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Holy Angels provides a full slate of services, from residential and medical to educational and employment, for adults and children with disabilities.
The real giveaway will be when they start work on a golf course at Walter Reed next week, comrade.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:27 amNearly 3 in 4 think Trump did not take appropriate virus precautions: POLL
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In two separate questions, an identical 72% said that Trump did not take the “risk of contracting the virus seriously enough,” nor “the appropriate precautions when it came to his personal health.” The poll was conducted by Ipsos in partnership with ABC News using Ipsos’ Knowledge Panel on Friday and Saturday, following Trump’s positive test early Friday morning.
In each of the two questions, over 2 in 5 (43%) Republicans hold the negative sentiments about Trump’s mindset and preventative actions regarding the coronavirus, compared to 95% and 94% of Democrats, respectively.
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In the wake of Trump’s diagnosis, the survey also found an increasing number of Americans concerned that they, or someone they know, will be infected with the virus. Eighty-one percent are either very or somewhat concerned about contracting COVID-19, compared to 72% two weeks ago. The percentage of “very concerned” respondents rose 8 percentage points, from 29% to 37%.
The overall jump can be almost entirely attributed to Republicans, whose net concern increased 18 points (52% to 70%), and independents, whose concern increased 13 points (69% to 82%). Democrats held steady at 86%.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:30 am………
Lurker: “But even those people, as much as I respect and even love some of them, I’m done taking their opinions seriously. As far as I’m concerned, standing behind Trump is a lifetime credibility killer.”
It has shown me how easy it is for good people to be cowed and manipulated by propaganda. The Right created its own media industrial complex without recognizing the risk of it being coopted, distorted, and used for personal gain. It’s been an interesting…if not depressing….expose in the use of conspiracies and hate….to rationalize lowering expectations, jettisoning norms, and accepting the unacceptable.Some will explain that most of this is just irrelevant theater….but this trivialization only works up until the country hits a problem where our political process must actually work…..and few seem to want to contemplate that….we’re too content in our bubbles
AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:34 amShe did great at the job. She didn’t sell her soul to Trump until after she left office, regrettably. She should’ve just shut her mouth after November 3rd, but it’s clear she was signaling her readiness for 2024.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:35 amThere are the Republicans who kept their heads down and tried to do their work on policy, and I respect their dilemma, and then there are the sycophants and true believers who defended his lies. The latter are the ones who should face a reckoning.
‘Absolutely Reckless’: AG Barr’s Refusal to Quarantine After Rose Garden Superspreader Event Sparks Backlash
Attorney General Bill Barr is facing a mounting avalanche of criticism and concern over his decision to forego quarantine procedures after he was recently in close contact with several people who have since tested positive for the novel coronavirus (COVID-19).
“Absolutely reckless behavior from the AG,” former federal prosecutor Jennifer Rodgers, a CNN legal analyst, said via Twitter on Saturday. “Unacceptable.”
On Sept. 26, Barr attended the by-now infamous superspreader event in the White House Rose Garden where Seventh Circuit Judge Amy Coney Barrett was formally nominated for a position on the U.S. Supreme Court following the death of Ruth Bader Ginsburg.
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Presidential counselor Kellyanne Conway confirmed that she tested positive for COVID-19 on Friday evening–and several videos and photos show Barr mere inches away from Conway’s at the so-called and gallows-humor-denominated “Rose Garden Massacre.”
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“Barr’s refusal to quarantine after exposure is not ‘toughness,’” said University of Michigan Law Professor and former U.S. Attorney Barbara McQuade via Twitter. “It is arrogant, irresponsible, and reckless behavior from our nation’s attorney general.”
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According to CNN, the DOJ said that Barr is refusing to quarantine because he tested negative on Friday, despite his being immediately adjacent to Conway. Barr tested negative again on Saturday, according to a DOJ spokeswoman.
The Barrett event was not entirely outdoors. Barr was photographed feet away from President Donald Trump and First Lady Melania Trump, both of whom have since tested positive.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:41 amTrumpworld coronavirus tracker
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:47 am“The student government at the University of Wisconsin Madison on Tuesday approved a vote of “no confidence” in UW’s campus police department.
In its decision, the Associated Students of Madison cited UWPD’s role in aiding the city of Madison’s police department in quelling the George Floyd protests that took place on Madison’s State Street in May and June……
…… The report goes on to note that the student government was also split on whether to allow Chief of UW Police Kristen Roman to address members before the vote; it ultimately decided against allowing her to speak prior to the vote…..
….. “I am so proud to see my colleagues on the Student Council stand up for justice with the outcome of this vote,” said ASM Chair Matthew Mitnick in a news release about the “no confidence” vote. “No longer will student voices be silenced.””
https://www.thecollegefix.com/student-government-refuses-to-allow-police-chief-to-speak-before-no-confidence-vote-in-campus-police/
harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:03 am_
Regarding Trump’s ridiculous photo op where he was signing a blank piece of paper with a Sharpie, the Soviets were way better at this. Putin clearly didn’t train him up.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:17 amNo mask. Was the photographer in full PPE? The Secret Service? Are they going to disinfect the rooms? Or are they all in on the hoax?
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:25 amI appreciate early Trump supporters who wanted to restore some self-interest. I get it. But no, I don’t really think the president should be quite this far down that path.
But that is basically what this election is about, so at least we have a choice.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:04 amI assume the photographer was in a hazmat suit, along with anyone else in proximity, but Trump not wearing a mask at his current viral load does send a message that he is still not taking it seriously.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:17 amYou may yet do more harm to the conservative cause than Trump did.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:29 am251.Anyone who thought that the most dishonest and corrupt administration in American history would suddenly start playing it straight during this, its greatest scandal, is out of their mind.
ROFLMAOPIP
The-Forever-Creed of-Crazy-Minded-Nixon-Watergate-Apologists.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:33 amA magnanimous “get well” from Puerto Rico. Well done.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:45 am@255. Some conservatives don’t understand that a son-of-a-Birch is still a dog. Have I told you that my neighbors’ five-pound Russian wolf-hound actually says (and I know what “says” means) “товарищ!”?
FIFY.
Paging Mr. Buckley! paging Mr. Buckley!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:55 amThere are non-stupid people who have accepted Trump’s dishonesty and callous selfishness, but in a way it’s more puzzling that they aren’t bothered by his absurdity. Are they conned by his transparently phony gestures? Or does it not offend them that either he’s really dumb or he assumes his supporters are very gullible?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:58 am256.Biden’s national lead over Trump jumps to 14 points after debate in NBC News/WSJ poll
Joe Biden’s lead has nearly doubled since Tuesday’s debate with voters saying by a 2-to-1 margin that he has the better temperament to be president.
LOLOLOLOLOLOL ROFMAOPIP
Hillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points: Poll | Time
time.com/…/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-lead-poll
October 26, 2016 5:49 PM EDT Hillary Clinton has widened her lead over Donald Trump, polling 14 percentage points ahead nationally, according to a new Associated Press-GfK poll, which comes 12 days before the general election. -source, TIME.com
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Hillary Clinton has opened up a 14-percentage-point lead against Donald Trump nationally, according to an NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Monday.- source, CBSNews
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:05 amOnly one elected Republican in Washington, out of 254 at the time, was prepared to put America before Trump.
With the lonely exception of Mitt Romney (and Justin Amash, who like many of us left the party), they are willing accomplices to his rape of our country.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:18 am@259.Nearly 3 in 4 think Trump did not take appropriate virus precautions: POLL
Nearly six in ten (57%) believe in spirits and ghosts, and a majority (52%) believe in the existence of UFOs. 48% Of Americans Believe UFOs Could Be ET Visitations. A significant percentage of Americans (35%) report they have personally experienced the presence of a ghost or spirit. One quarter of Americans (26%) believe in spells or witchcraft.
9% of Americans think Elvis is alive.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:32 amI know, I know, DCSCA. Although I do not agree with you, I sympathize.
I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race and imposing draconian trade and currency barriers.
Oh, well. Conservatism happened, Goldwater happened, Reagan happened, and what’s done is done. We can only look forward to the 67-year old Vladimir Putin having another good fifteen years left to accomplish what Stalin, Beria, Khrushchev, Brezhnev, and Gorbachev were stymied from doing by the capitalists.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:33 am@277. Yes. It’s done.
Glorious.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:35 amTrump’s doctor today: Yeah, I was trying to deceive the country about his condition yesterday
I’ll bet he was downplaying it to avoid a panic!
Lies, lies and more lies.
It’s a shame there’s nobody to remind this fine gentleman that he works for the American people, not the germ-infested pile of sewage that he’s destroying his reputation to impress.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:36 amwho is the 1 in 4? hahaha
Goes to show, a lot of people will just say silly stuff to polls.
Yeah, exactly, you never know. But Biden’s lead has doubled ever since that debate you think Trump won. That’s momentum. Is it enough?
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:37 am“ I have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race…….”
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Some people have never grasped the reality of people preferring individual freedom over being slaves of the state.
Some riot masked and dressed in black to exhibit this lack of knowledge.
harkin (f2bc98) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:45 am_
Sorry, Dustin, the opposite has occurred. DJT gained 3 points, or has actually pulled even if you go with IBD, after the debate and prior to the Covid diagnosis.
The lies from DJT’s care team ought to be criminally prosecuted. Their medical licenses should be yanked.
Ed from SFV (f64387) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:51 am@279-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:51 amObligatory Kevin Bacon reference.
Sigh. I hope you’re mistaken, but the press’s unreliability is exactly how a guy like Trump is possible, so perhaps you are right.
all I know is they were saying the same stuff when Trump beat Hillary. It will be a dark day if Trump wins.
You’re insulting nk as a person who doesn’t grasp liberty. Cheer up. Maybe Trump will live.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:54 amNBC New York
@NBCNewYork
#BREAKING: Mayor de Blasio, pending approval from state, announces plans to close non-essential businesses, public and private schools in nine ZIP codes starting Wednesday in an attempt to contain COVID clusters
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Tom
@nooktastical
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Is now the time to tell de Blasio that the movement of people through NYC is facilitated by a subway system that traverses multiple zip codes?
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@tbone_631
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Who authorized us going from “flatten the curve” to oh God dont leave your house til corona is gone
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Chuck Nelson
@NelsonResource
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Biden preview of what he wants to do nation wide
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DeadwoodBullock
@DeadwoodBullock
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Look on the bright side NYC real estate is about to become affordable.
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Libertarian Film
harkin (f2bc98) — 10/4/2020 @ 11:01 am@libertarianfilm
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This thing has done so much damage to NYC! Unfortunately, it will hold the position of mayor for some time to come.
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Is very good to thump chest about Joseph Vissarionovich when up for promotion, comrade.
Of course, all comrades know that in reality, during 1947-48, bloody capitalist assassins of proletariat from Amerika offered same massive economic assistance to Soviet Union and fraternal socialist countries of Eastern Europe as they did to Britain, France and 14 others in so-called Marshall Plan.
Naturally, Comrade General Secretary Stalin saw through this transparent attempt to lower the proletariat’s standard of living down to the level of their oppressed brethren in the West, and he refused (he was also kind enough to refuse on behalf of fraternal socialist countries). Trade barriers obviously originated on eastern side, since capitalists had surplus of higher quality goods to sell and socialists had nothing to offer in return.
All comrades also know that arrogant capitalists disarmed almost immediately and totally after 1945, and so-called ruinous arms race began after Berlin blockade and North Korean fraternal socialists – with Comrade Stalin’s blessing and aid – tried to take advantage.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 11:08 amWallace bit-chs-lapped on his own show.
Glorious.
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It’s a shame there’s nobody to remind this fine gentleman that he works for the American people, not the germ-infested pile of sewage that he’s destroying his reputation to impress.
James Baker says he was sorry he misled everyone and kept how close Reagan really was to death in 1981, too.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 11:16 amBeto O’Rourke, of all people, makes a good point:
Joe Biden can end the drama on election night. All he has to do is win Texas.
This sounds attractive, but it’s the same strategy Hillary tried in 2016 – trying and failing to put away the election by flipping Trump must-win states Ohio, Florida and NC – instead of shoring up the states she needed to win.
Biden is in a much stronger position this time around, so with Trump’s campaign in complete disarray, and fraud/ballot-suppression probably the GOP’s only remaining hope, it might make sense to put a little more effort into Texas due to its election night potential.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:01 pmIt’s hard to believe Trump will lose Texas. I’m doing my part though. A lot of my neighbors have Trump signs, a lot have Biden signs.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:18 pmTrump as President is the price we have to pay to keep Kelly Loeffler in the Senate and Elaine Chao in the Cabinet?
If you want to blame people, blame Sessions and Gingrich and Priebus. Maybe Hillary for seeming even worse. But once Trump was elected, asking Republicans to pretend someone else was president wasn’t realistic.
I truly hope that no one finds themselves working for a total assh0le in a job they cannot easily quit. Because then you will know what it’s like. Hint: dissing the boss, undermining the boss, disobeying the boss isn’t going to work.
Sure, Senators and Congresspeople are theoretically independent, but Trump has his minions who will cause your defeat. It’s pretty cavalier to say that they should just quit, but it ain’t your career and ambitions you are giving up.
If you want to be pissed at people, be pissed at folks like Mark Meadows and the House Freedom Caucus, who were willing minions of the great Trump. But leave alone the people who had guns to their head (and who may still lose for being insufficiently loyal).
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:22 pmIt’s hard to believe Trump will lose Texas
He may lose Utah at the rate he’s going. I cannot believe that the Mormon faithful liked what they saw at that debate. Which, it appears Trump hid a known positive test so that he could attend.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:26 pmI have also wondered, many times, if Communism might not have succeeded in the Soviet Union after WWII if not for the Cold War. If we had treated the Soviet Union, if not the way we treated England, at least refrained from forcing it into a ruinous arms race and imposing draconian trade and currency barriers.
Maybe if Stalin had not gone back on his agreements to respect the central European nations, that might have happened. But he didn’t, and his ambitions were clear. We did the only thing we could. Of course, if FDR had died a year earlier, we would have had President Wallace and you would have had your wish.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:32 pmBiden superfans just hate all that grifting and lying.
The Senate report says, “On Feb. 14, 2014, Baturina wired $3.5 million to a Rosemont Seneca Thornton LLC (Rosemont Seneca Thornton) bank account for a ‘Consultancy Agreement.’ Rosemont Seneca Thornton is an investment firm co-founded by Hunter Biden that was incorporated on May 28, 2013 in Wilmington, Del.”
Russia invaded Crimea in Ukraine the month Ms. Baturina sent the money.
“Why did he get it?” Mr. Trump asked.
“That report was written for political reasons,” Mr. Biden said.
Mr. Trump asserted, “Once you became vice president, he made a fortune in Ukraine, in China, in Moscow and various other places.”
Mr. Biden responded, “That is not true.”
According to the senators’ Treasury records, it is true.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2020/sep/30/hunter-biden-burisma-payments-detailed-treasury-de/
beer ‘n pretzels (f87cf5) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:33 pm@290
Don’t worry, there’s plenty of ignominy to go around.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:35 pmJames Baker says he was sorry he misled everyone and kept how close Reagan really was to death in 1981, too.
Until they got Reagan into surgery, no one knew how close it was. They originally went towards the WH, but had they not turned around Reagan probably would have died.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:37 pmHillary Clinton Leads Donald Trump by 14 Points: Poll | Time
She probably would lead him by as much today. As does Biden, whose ENTIRE campaign is “I am not Donald Trump.” People are voting him for that alone, even though they oppose him on every policy issue.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:39 pmBTW, what’s with the baseball schedule that doesn’t have weekend games?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:45 pmBiden was right:
Putting aside the evidence-free claim that Biden’s son was somehow involved, the committee also cited no evidence of any illegality or impropriety.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:46 pm@296 Part of the problem with the polling last time was that a lot of people said “Johnson” and then voted “Trump”. That isn’t an issue this time, so the polls should be a better read of voters now than they were in 2016.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:54 pm297, they rolled over for non-Rose Bowl conference college football and the NFL.
urbanleftbehind (727795) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:54 pmSpeaking of conflicts of interest:
President had stakes in Regeneron and Gilead, makers of antibody cocktail, Remdesivir
I predict Trump superfans will find this entirely untroubling!
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 12:58 pmWe should have known – his infection (and maybe the whole pandemic?) is just an elaborate product-placement scheme like the ones he cashed in on during The Apprentice…
Dave (1bb933) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:02 pm@295.Oh please. They knew within minutes after he collapsed in the hospital lobby, had his suit cut off, X-rayed, and they cut into his chest.
‘The Powers That Be’ knew. His family knew.
America–indeed the world, did not. For months if not years how close he was to dying.
Wilson was stroked out… FDR’s ticker was toast on top of his polio… Ike’s heart was eggcrate fragile… JFK was on painkillers virtually daily [and a woman almost hourly 😉 ]… LBJ had heart ad gallbladder issues… Nixon had phlebitis; was on Chivas Regal, ketchup and cottage cheese…
That’s why these doctor reports and this bogus ‘right to know’ a CiC’s condition is crap; and pretty useless in the immediate. It’s less about him and more about stabilizing markets and nat’l security situations. And the clucking hens who love to speculate on cable news hate being not fed.
“I’m in control here…” Alexander Haig, Secretary of State, Reagan Administration 3/30/81
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:06 pmCovid-19 Continues Its Ever-Changing Onslaught on the U.S.
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Some of the country’s least populous states are now seeing its highest infection rates.
When coastal cities suffered in the spring, cases remained relatively scarce across most of the Northern Plains and rural West. But since late summer, North Dakota and South Dakota have added more cases per capita than any other state. Nebraska, Wyoming and Montana have set troubling new records as well.
In North Dakota, state officials met with hospital executives recently to ensure there would be enough space in hospitals as cases surged around Bismarck, and health care workers said they were working overtime to meet the sudden rise. Leaders in Montana urged residents to take precautions as they warned of an uncertain new phase.
“COVID-19 is still in our midst — more so than we’ve ever seen before since this virus first entered our state,” Gov. Steve Bullock of Montana, a Democrat, wrote on Twitter the other day. “If public health guidelines are followed, like masking up and social distancing, we can prevent the strain on our hospitals.”
Northeastern Wisconsin, a politically mixed region that also happens to be crucial to both parties’ hopes of winning the presidency, is facing one of the country’s most widespread, uncontrolled outbreaks right now.
…….. Three of the four American metro areas with the most recent cases per capita were in northeastern Wisconsin, with the Oshkosh area faring worst of all.
“I’m honestly not sure that anything we do right now will make a difference,” the mayor of Oshkosh, Lori Palmeri, said recently. “It’s too late.”
Across Wisconsin, warning signs mounted with few glimmers of progress. More than 3,000 new cases were announced in the state in a single day for the first time. The state set single-day records for deaths and hospitalizations. Its test positivity rate reached 20 percent, a loud signal that the outbreak in the state has spun of control.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:25 pm………
Florida is now averaging about 2,300 new cases a day, roughly one-fifth of what it was seeing at its worst. In Arizona, where overtaxed hospital capacity was once a concern, intensive care beds are now plentiful, and daily case reports have dropped to about 500 on average, down from more than 3,600. New infections have also plunged in California, Georgia, Louisiana and South Carolina. Mississippi, Texas and Alabama have made significant progress since midsummer as well, though case numbers there remain persistently high.
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That Trump commercial showing Biden as Mr Incarceration and Trump as Mr Black jobs that they’re showing during football games is pretty slick. Wonder how effective it is.
harkin (f2bc98) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:44 pmI predict Trump superfans will find this entirely untroubling!
Gilead has been a poor Covid investment, now at it’s low for the year. In fact, it is back to where it was in 2013. REGN has had a heck of a bump in the last week or so, but is now headed back down. It’s done this before, and then fallen right back. Odds are it will drop to 300 by Halloween; there’s no technical support until then.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:45 pmThat commercial from Biden saying he’ll know what he’s doing when he sends our troops to war……not so much maybe.
harkin (f2bc98) — 10/4/2020 @ 1:45 pmThey knew within minutes after he collapsed in the hospital lobby, had his suit cut off, X-rayed, and they cut into his chest.
Until he collapsed, after walking in and they put in a line and tried to find his blood pressure they didn’t know how badly he was wounded. As it was, he was in surgery in 7 minutes from arrival.
But, no, they did not stop to tell everyone the details, or let the press in on things. They had a million more important things. The first hospital spokesman (and administrator) got a number of things wrong, but by the end of the day every knew that the President had been through several hours of surgery and was recovering. They were seriously NOT trying to hide anything
There’s an entire book on this: Rawhide Down. Pretty good, too. The Secret Service thought he’d broken a rib until they saw blood in his mouth.
https://www.amazon.com/Rawhide-Down-Assassination-Ronald-Reagan-ebook/dp/B00486UB8I
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:06 pm246. Thank you, Felipe. You (and also Dave, Dustin and nk) are too kind. Maybe Trump’s depraved indifference to anyone but himself is my muse.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:09 pmghoul takes a victory lap,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2020/10/iran-seeking-tech-for-nuclear-and-wmd-programs-from-germany-claims-intel-report/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:11 pmGabbard gains GOP supporters for her push for U.S. to drop charges against Assange, Snowden
Rep. Tulsi Gabbard, Hawaii Democrat, has gained support from Republican colleagues in calling for the U.S. government to abandon its criminal cases against Julian Assange and Edward J. Snowden.
Along with Rep. Thomas Massie, Kentucky Republican, she introduced a resolution Friday urging the U.S. to drop all charges and efforts to extradite Mr. Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks.
Rep. Matt Gaetz, Florida Republican, joined the Democrat days earlier by co-sponsoring a similar resolution asking the U.S. to drop its case against Mr. Snowden, who is also wanted for leaking.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:11 pm……..
Ms. Gabbard, who unsuccessfully sought the 2020 Democratic presidential nomination, argued that Mr. Assange and Mr. Snowden each played a part in exposing government wrongdoing and should be spared.
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There’s your first mistake, Kevin. Congress critters don’t work for the president. They work for you and me. Their oath isn’t to Donald Trump. It’s to the Constitution. I empathize with the pickle they’re in, but that doesn’t mean I’ll excuse them selling out the country because they’re afraid what the mean bully will do to them if they don’t.
You know who else has a crappy job? College administrators. Standing up for the First Amendment can raise a stink that gets you tarred a racist and ends in a pink slip. Do I empathize? You bet. Does that mean I should give you a pass for throwing a professor to the wolves for mentioning a Chinese filler word that sounds like a racial slur? Are you kidding me? Nobody ever said standing up to bullies was easy. But if that’s what your job requires and you won’t do it, then I’m afraid your job should probably go to somebody who will. I don’t get to make that choice for the USC business school. I do get to make it, or at least my tiny part of it, for the U.S. Congress.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:20 pmBREAKING – CNN TELEVISING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SUV- HAS LEFT WALTER REED IN MOTORCADE.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:22 pmthey preside over a gaggle of ill educated entitled sjw’s, who are the result of the faculty they hire, who have consumed their portion of mind arson, which originates in soviet educational templates, they go on to media and corporate america, spreading the virus,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:25 pmWhat. A. Showman.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:26 pmanother one of those silver bullets that turned into blanks,
https://spectator.us/melania-trump-tapes-cnn-stephanie-winston-wolkoff/
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:28 pm@308. You’ve made my point. They knew. The world didn’t. For months- if not years.
What the ‘doctors’ and WH staff say in the immediacy of this is all pretty much crap– has little to do w/the guy’s condition and everything to do w/keeping markets stable and nat’l security.
JFK was ‘seriously wounded’ -alive– until he suddenly wasn’t.
In fact his head was blown off; LIFE bought and kept the Zapruder film away from public view f decades after a few press people saw it- and conspiracy theories were born.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:34 pmCovid Trump makes appearance at Walter Reed.
Biden hides in Wilmington bunker.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:42 pmLid on; no events.
Loser.
There’s your first mistake, Kevin. Congress critters don’t work for the president.
Well, maybe if you’d read the whole comment rather than cherry-picking your quoteback, you’d see I know that.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 2:59 pmYou’ve made my point. They knew. The world didn’t. For months- if not years.
We all knew he was in serious shape. Did they release the entire tape of the operation and all the doctor’s notes? No. Trying to compare Reagan’s shooting disclosures to Trump’s lies about the day of the week is really reaching.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:03 pmJFK was ‘seriously wounded’ -alive– until he suddenly wasn’t.
But what? They lied about HOW dead he was? Maybe they just didn’t want people seeing the president’s head blown off over and over again.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:04 pmI don’t get to make that choice for the USC business school.
And neither does anyone else.
I do get to make it, or at least my tiny part of it, for the U.S. Congress.
So, when they don’t want to face the music from Trumpies, who make the exact same threats you do, they are cowering before bullies, but with you they are just avoiding the light from above?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:08 pmOr it’s just TDS … /SARC — of course!
It’s baffling how people can hear Trump regularly speak in terms that put his own ego and benefit first — and still believe that when he makes decisions it’s for the national good, and even that he is making a great patriotic sacrifice for us.
Who else in public life is so widely credited with being a much better person in reality than his/her public self-presentation indicates?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:11 pmI wonder how long it will be before Conley is forced to admit that Trump was diagnosed Tuesday before the debate, and avoided testing by arriving late.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:12 pmBTW, looking at what happened after Reagan was shot, it’s interesting to realize that Haig was quite correct in saying that in any temporary devolution of power, he was next after the VP.
Why? Because neither the Speaker or the President ProTem can succeed to the office without resigning from Congress, which is not done temporarily, and the Secretary of State is next.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:17 pmBREAKING – CNN TELEVISING PRESIDENT TRUMP IN SUV- HAS LEFT WALTER REED IN MOTORCADE.
Uh, no, he’s just doing a drive-by for the crowd.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:19 pmyes jfk was most definitely dead, largely due to the incompetence of the security services, that would recur with mohammed atta and nidal hassan, to cite two examples,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:39 pmWhat the ever-living-feck is up with this a-hole. To do his silly drive around the parking lot, how many people did he have to put at risk with his disease ridden carcas? I’m sure some of the secret service folks, Dr’s, nurses, orderlies, and attendants love having to share the zip code with him.
He’s Typhoid Mary, just with worse hair.
Oh, you don’t have to wonder, we live in the age of the tweeter.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:49 pmHere’s what you said:
I don’t see how grudgingly admitting that they’re “theoretically independent” while excusing their kowtowing to the demagogue because he’ll snatch their jobs if they don’t shows you know their duty is to the Constitution, not to Trump. I mean I know you do know that, but you’re working awfully hard to act like you don’t.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:02 pmKevin, you can’t tut-tut about how historically awful Trump is, as you have, and then imply there’s anything like a moral equivalence between knuckling to his corrupt, overreaching, anti-democratic demands and resisting them.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:03 pmThe Trump propaganda machine is in full tilt.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:09 pmHISTORIC MOMENTS IN HISTORY: PRESIDENT DONALD J. TRUMP DEFEATS COVID WITH ICONS OF HIS ENTIRE FIRST TERM! GIANNINI LIMITED 2500 EDITION ART SERIES COIN
Getting a little ahead of themselves? Hopefully it won’t be a collector’s item.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:09 pmMedical doctor at Walter Reed weighs in and is cited as expert in field he knows little of
https://www.creditloan.com/engineering-the-beast-3d-look-at-presidential-limo/
“Fresh air enters through a series of high efficiency filters. The interior of the vehicle also has a “positive pressure” system (higher pressure inside than outside), keeping unfiltered air outside.”
Its quite possible that the air inside the beast is scrubbed cleaner than the air outside to the point that as air exits the vehicle, it is cleaner than the air outside. The (Medical) Doctor makes it sound like the Beast is sealed hermetically in absolute terms and at all times. No air flow in or out. Ever.
steveg (43b7a5) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:10 pmPaul Montagu-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:10 pmNow that’s timing!
I take it as further proof that Trump is malingering. He does not have Covid-19. He has TDS — Trump Deflection Strategy.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:15 pm@325.Uh, yes, he left WR.
And went back.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:15 pmI take it as further proof that Trump is malingering. He does not have Covid-19. He has [banned acronym] — Trump Deflection Strategy.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:17 pm@320. No, we ‘all’ didn’t. We all ‘knew’ James Brady was dead, too… until he wasn’t.
“Let’s get it right!” – Frank Reynolds ABC News 3/30/81
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:18 pmYou do understand that none of that is how air works right? The molecules don’t magically teleport when you exhale to a magic filter.
Magic isn’t a thing, it’s for children and for the movies. It’s not the plan to respond to a pandemic.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:18 pmNew Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 carelessness and chaotic debate
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The first survey, conducted from Oct. 1 to Oct. 2, found Biden ahead by 8 points (48 percent to 40 percent) after leading Trump by 5 points (45 percent to 40 percent) in the previous Yahoo News/YouGov poll. The debate, held Sept. 29 in Cleveland, may have made the difference.
Among registered voters who watched the raucous clash, 46 percent said Biden won; only 28 percent said the same of Trump. The president’s hectoring performance — a clear majority of debate watchers (59 percent) rated it as “poor,” compared to only 32 percent for Biden — was followed by a collapse in his support among likely independent voters. Before the debate, these independents narrowly preferred Trump (44 percent) over Biden (43 percent). After the debate, they preferred Biden (44 percent) over Trump (29 percent) — meaning the president effectively lost 15 points among independents overnight.
The second Yahoo News/YouGov survey, conducted from Oct. 2 to Oct. 3, found no significant change in Biden’s lead over the president as the cluster of COVID-19 cases among top Republicans started to expand. Nor did it find an outpouring of sympathy for the stricken president or his party.
In fact, a majority of registered voters blame Trump’s infection on his own actions and attitude. A full 59 percent say the president has “underestimated the risks of COVID-19”; just 21 percent say he has “behaved appropriately.” By a 59 percent to 20 percent margin, registered voters say he has not been wearing a mask and social distancing appropriately. By a 61 percent to 23 percent margin, they say Trump’s level of mask-wearing and social distancing has been “too little” as opposed to “about right.” And by a 64 percent to 15 percent margin, they don’t think the president should have attended a New Jersey fundraiser and mingled with top GOP donors Thursday after learning that a top aide, Hope Hicks, had tested positive for COVID-19.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:22 pm……….
This the third poll that shows Biden expanding his lead. It appears that the IBD/TIPP is an outlier because it ended before Trump’s COVID-19 announcement.
334. So you’re saying he left the hospital just long enough to climb into a confined space with his Secret Service detail, exposing them to his highly communicable infection?
What a guy.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:22 pmI’m not ordinarily a conspiracy theorist, but I’m going to throw this one out.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:29 pmTrump is going to return to the White House tomorrow and he’s not going to return to Walter Reed because, as I write this, they’re setting up a COVID ICU in some hidden basement room in the White House, sort of like where the real president was in that movie, Dave. It’ll be like a mini-hospital there, with every person involved or with knowledge under an NDA.
That way, he can get treatment, get intubated, get put on a ventilator and so forth, and no one will be the wiser. His sycophants will say he’s doing great, just “recovering” and “resting” from the long weekend. Not only doing great, but recovering better than any 74-year old in history. The real test is whether he’ll be ready to participate in the next debate, and my guess is he won’t make it.
Lol. Some guy on Twitter I’ve never heard of says it perfectly:
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:34 pm‘This is insanity’: Doctors aghast at Trump’s ‘surprise’ SUV tour
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:34 pmMedical professionals reacted with horror Sunday to President Trump’s decision to leave the hospital in an SUV for an impromptu tour, calling the move irresponsible and saying others in the car are risking their lives for “political theater.”
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“ Every single person in the vehicle during that completely unnecessary Presidential ‘drive-by’ just now has to be quarantined for 14 days,” tweeted James P. Phillips, who is also a professor at George Washington University. “They might get sick. They may die. For political theater. Commanded by Trump to put their lives at risk for theater. This is insanity.”
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The White House did not immediately provide any details on any precautions taken to protect Secret Service members.
I have long admired Kasparov.
https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/ny-oped-we-must-break-the-fever-20201003-coku2scwljf63dzok6cyazv6qy-story.html
So many links, so little space. Too many known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns, but here’s a good summary of what we do and do not know.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/04/what-we-know-trump-coronavirus-426130
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:36 pmAnother bullseye from Twitter:
(Twitter can really suck, but it can also be pretty great.)
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:40 pmDOCTOR: The President broke wind today.
CNN: What TIME today?
DOCTOR: 2:30.
CNN: Is that AM or PM?
DOCTOR: PM.
ABC: Is this unusual?
DOCTOR: Not for a man of his age and diet.
CBS: So you attribute the President breaking wind to his diet and not Covid?
DOCTOR: I didn’t say that.
ABC: But you did raise the issue of his age. Is that a factor?
DOCTOR: Well, I–
MSNBC: Is the president lactose intolerant?
DOCTOR: Huh? Well, he does consume a large amount of carbonated beverages, but…
MSNBC: Is the President’s intolerance to bubbly brown liquids a symptom of inherent racism?
DOCTOR: Uh, well– given his age, carbonated beverages can generate gaseous…
CNN: So the President favors gas over wind power?
DOCTOR: No, I just said he broke wind, not…
MSNBC: So the president generates methane. Isn’t that a pollutant?
THE DAILY SHOW: Does the president light his farts?
DOCTOR: Huh? You’d have to ask Mr. Meadows that…
FOX: Is President Trump healthy or the healthiest man in America?
DOCTOR: All healthy people break wind.
FOX: When was the last time Joe Biden broke wind?
DOCTOR: I wouldn’t know, I’n not his doct–
FOX: But Mr. Biden had multiple brain surgeries here at Walter Reed. Is there a link between that and his history of brain farting?
DOCTOR: I can’t say. I’m not his physician… Thank you– we’re done here.
DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:49 pmthey’re setting up a COVID ICU in some hidden basement room in the White House,
You could be right, Paul. In addition to the reasons you stated, they can bring in the Reverend Doctor Stella Gwandiku-Ambe Immanuel to exorcise the succubi and incubi, something probably not included in Walter Reed protocols.
If you believe his doctors, they have already thrown everything but the kitchen sink at him by way of orthodox treatment.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:52 pmThe case against Trump and all his Republican enablers.
https://reason.com/2020/10/04/the-case-against-trump-donald-trump-is-an-enemy-of-freedom/
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:02 pmTrump Didn’t Disclose First Positive Covid-19 Test While Awaiting a Second Test on Thursday:
And if they hadn’t learned it from the news, Biden, whom Trump shouted at onstage, Biden’s family, who sat in the debate room with the unmasked members of Trump’s family (including infected Melania), and the NJ Trump donors with whom he shared a buffet lunch, still wouldn’t know they’d been exposed.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:02 pmAfter Dr. Upbeat’s press conference yesterday, it was still unclear to me exactly when Trump tested positive, and it looks like the WSJ has an answer.
We still don’t know when Trump was tested previously, the one that was “negative”. The media has asked, but no answer. Am I missing something?
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:04 pmGo ahead and hire an engineer who specializes in airflow and filters to do your next colonoscopy and the MD to design airflow in your lab complex.
steveg (43b7a5) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:04 pmI realize we live in an era where what you believe, represent, is valued higher than core competency in the question at hand. We get state and county health directors who are not MD’s or even Administrators, nope, they just check off a bunch of boxes… gender fluid, tri-racial (no white) former sex worker (midget porn), butt plug of sustainable hardwood, iphome playlist curated by a rotating troupe of drag queens, and they spend six weeks during a pandemic crafting a cease and desist letter to the virus over inequities in racial and socio-economics of the infected… viruses are known by the mowt woke amongst us to be more racist than even math and need to be put on stern notice
Also, since he wasn’t in “the beast” it’s kind of a moot point. He might has well have been in an Accord.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:05 pmI kind of suspect that doctors kind of know how you kind of get germs, although you kind of wouldn’t suspect it from the kind of doctors kind of from the Trump administration who Trump kind of put in charge of kind of informing us about Covid-19.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:11 pmAnswer: They already caught the COVID and are therefore immune.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:19 pmQuestion: Why would Secret Service agents want to be locked in a hermetically sealed car with an actively infected patient, wearing minimal PPE?
It’s the only answer that makes sense.
Jennifer ‘Vote Early’ Rubin
@JRubinBlogger
1st question to Judge Barrett: Is it reckless endangerment when you force an employee into a sealed car with a covid patient who is currently hospitalized?
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What does this have to do with being a Supreme Court Justice?
How is this person actually a writer for the Washington Post?
harkin (f2bc98) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:20 pm__ _
White House physician Sean Conley draws scrutiny for rosy assessments of Trump’s health
This spring, Navy Commander Sean Conley confided to co-workers that he was laboring under intense personal stress in his job as White House physician.
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[L]long before the president contracted a virus especially lethal to older people, some of Conley’s former colleagues said they were disappointed in what they view as his lack of independence from White House politics.
“Every statement he is giving appears to be political, dictated by the White House or the president,” said one person who has worked with him, who, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid angering the White House. “These are not the statements a medical doctor gives.”
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Questions about Conley began bubbling this spring when he treated Trump with hydroxychloroquine, an anti-malarial treatment touted by the president as a wonder drug, even as some studies showed it could increase the risk for some patients………
The White House has also repeatedly cited Conley in statements asserting that the administration was properly mitigating the risks of covid-19, the disease caused by the novel coronavirus, despite the fact that the president and his aides have eschewed masks and held public gatherings. In March, after a Brazilian official with whom Trump had posed for a photo tested positive, Conley issued a statement saying the president was low risk and did not need to self-quarantine or be tested.
And Conley has provided upbeat reports of the president’s health, despite the fact that Trump is 74 and clinically obese, echoing the kind of glowing assessments offered by his predecessor, Navy Rear Adm. Ronny L. Jackson……..
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Conley is a doctor of osteopathic medicine, while his predecessors have been internists or general practitioners. Doctors of osteopathic medicine have similar training to medical doctors and the same authority to prescribe medicines. One key difference is osteopath training focuses on the relationship of the bones and the body and on treatment of the musculoskeletal system.
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:39 pm……..
Someone way over his head
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 carelessness and chaotic debate.
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll: Biden expands lead to 8 points as voters blame Trump for COVID-19 RECKLESSNESS and chaotic debate.
Fixed it for you. I had been considering holding my nose and voting for Trump. Not happening now. Have to figure out who to write in. (Last time I voted for some third party guy who turned out to be a major disappointment.)
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 5:58 pmWhat does this have to do with being a Supreme Court Justice?
Very little, except what you are really asking her is, under the law of most states, didn’t the president commit a criminal act when, knowing he had contracted a deadly disease, he exposed dozens or more people to the possibility of contracting it and dying?
Since I am admitted in New Jersey, I can cite to the NJ criminal code:
I’d go with (3).
Minnesota lawyers may comment on any applicable Minnesota law.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:03 pmIs the new doctor worse than Ronnie Lynn, the previous “doctor”? I wouldn’t let that guy put a band-aid on a booboo.
I’d say he’d lose the guaranteed congressional district he’s running in, but Texas continues to employ Louie Gohmert.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:08 pmIf I’d have put up $250k to meet Trump on Thursday, I’d be looking for a refund and some significant compensation.
Trump likes to talk about suing everyone and their brother, other actual rich people should do the same.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:11 pm358. Do you know what the case law is on whether “knowingly engages in conduct which creates a substantial risk” means he has to know the conduct creates the risk. or just that he knows he’s engaging in the conduct?
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:12 pmAnd now for something completely different: https://greekcitytimes.com/2020/10/05/why-are-greeks-sending-snickers-with-messages-attached-to-armenian-soldiers-on-the-front-lines-photos/
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:14 pmHe has to know the conduct creates the risk.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:17 pmRemember Kurt Eichenwald?
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:22 pm@137-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:37 pmThanks!
@137-Disregard.
@357-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:39 pmThanks!
@361 — LOL. Are you taking a brief for Trump?
From my quick research, there are no cases interpreting the statute, which was only enacted in 2015.
Before then, NJ, bizarrely, only criminalized reckless endangerment in three specific cases:
(1) putting up a false light, which results in the loss or destruction of a vessel; (2) Manufacturing or selling a golf ball containing acid or corrosive fluid substance; or (3) Purposely or knowingly offering, giving or enticing any person to take or accept any treat, candy, gift, food, drink or other substance that is intended to be consumed which is poisonous, intoxicating, anesthetizing, tranquilizing, disorienting, deleterious or harmful to the health or welfare of such person.
One case suggests that your first interpreation is the correct one.
The NJ criminal code has a section that defines various mental states, and it also has a
“gap filler” that where there is no specific mental state, then the default is that the person acted “knowingly.”
In State v. Bryant, 419 N.J. Super. 15, 15 A.3d 865 (App. Div. 2011), the Appellate Division considered a conviction under a child endangerment statute, which states in relevant part:
As there was no mens rea, both the State and the Defendant agreed that the person had to act “knowingly” at least as to the first part, that he “engages in sexual conduct.”
But the defendant argued that the state also had to prove he had acted knowingly as to the second part, that his actions “would impair or debauch the morals of the child.”
The Appellate Division held that the gap-filler statute did not mean that ALL elements had to be done knowingly, only the first one, and that the person did not have to have knowledge of the second part, the result.
So, arguably, the same applies here.
If it ever came to it, I am sure that there would be arguments on both sides. Note also that the staute does not require the person die, merely the the conduct create a substantial risk of death (or serious bodily harm.)
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:43 pm@359-
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:44 pmIt’s Ronny Jackson and he diagnosed Trump from 1,600 miles away.
Trump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out
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On Wednesday, President Trump took a very brief break from tweeting about Tuesday night’s debate (and retweeting other peoples’ opinions about the debate, and tweeting about James Comey) to comment on a 2018 study that suggested a chemical found in McDonald’s fries could prevent hair loss.
“No wonder I didn’t lose my hair!” wrote Trump, who retweeted a link to an ABC7 article about the study first shared by former White House press secretary Ari Fleischer in 2018.
Fleisher, for the record, had originally joked that the chemical “doesn’t work.”
Rip Murdock (1b7516) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:50 pm……..
“(1) putting up a false light, which results in the loss or destruction of a vessel; (2) Manufacturing or selling a golf ball containing acid or corrosive fluid substance; or (3) Purposely or knowingly offering, giving or enticing any person to take or accept any treat, candy, gift, food, drink or other substance that is intended to be consumed which is poisonous, intoxicating, anesthetizing, tranquilizing, disorienting, deleterious or harmful to the health or welfare of such person.”
This is kind of fascinating to me, because of the feeling that this law was updated over time.
(1) was probably the original law and dates back to the 1800s
Davethulhu (47d7cb) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:54 pm(2) as a kid in the 70s, I remember urban legends that the inside of a golfball was filled with poison, I wonder if this was an effort by the (no doubt powerfull) golf ball lobby to quell that
(3) is clearly an anti-roofies law, so probably dates to the 90s or early 00s.
Now do mayor wilhelm and governor cuomo.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:56 pmEither someone has done a very convincing parody of the White House Gift Shop website, or else this presidency is beyond parody. But didn’t we already know the latter?
If SuperTrump has defeated Covid, then either the rest of us can go out and party, or the only person who matters in TrumpWorld is Trump. But didn’t we already know it’s the latter?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:59 pmLlamas with hats. (Video,1.18 mins)
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:00 pmHow full of quarantined Secret Service agents are the Qs at Andrews going to be for the next 2-4 weeks? How tired are they going to be of pizza and salad delivered and left in front of their doors?
Nic (896fdf) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:02 pm@362 — really interesting, nk.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:05 pm367.
No lol. I just like the occasional reminder why I never want to have to take another bar exam (much less the 3 day variety I was subjected to 30 yrs ago). I think your answer did the trick.
Kidding aside, thanks. That was interesting.
lurker (d8c5bc) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:14 pmThat was a child-sex case, following a plea of guilty, concerning the sufficiency of the allocution. The scienter requirements are lower for child sex cases, down to strict liability, and the New Jersey court in fact changed the prior “law” — such as it was, a pattern jury instruction which required that the jury find that the defendant knew that the sexual conduct would impair or debauch the morals of the child.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:30 pmTrump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out
At last! An explanation for my bald head! I have avoided McDonalds like the plague for virtually my entire life (except for their iced tea, and an occasional soft serve or coffee).
norcal (a5428a) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:34 pmTrump suggests McDonald’s french fries are responsible for keeping his hair from falling out
We are living in the world of satire. Franz Kafka would have had a hard time keeping up.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:42 pmIts a joke, you folks make walter peck seem with it.
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 7:47 pmThe Greeks probably dislike Turkish proxies almost as much as the Turks themselves.
steveg (43b7a5) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:00 pmHow does that old toast go? “Here’s to a stick in your eye”
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steveg (43b7a5) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:12 pmI met this Greek-American girl when she was training. Her brother was on the Greek Olympic team
https://utsports.com/sports/track-and-field/roster/stamatia-scarvelis/8034
@382 That girl might be able to kick my a$$.
norcal (a5428a) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:21 pmGreeks havent had a colonial presence sonce the 3rd century thereabout
Bolivar di griz (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:27 pm23. Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:02 am
China reported t to the wrld Health Organization on December 31, but probably only because it had already been detected outside the PRC including in Taiwan. For three more weeks they claimed it was not passed on person to person, even though they had to know that was false. They kept on attributing the cases to a “wet market implying that every person had gotten it from an animal. The “wet market” in question actually was a seafood market, and none of the creatures there should have been infectable by a respiratory virus. It was picked however probably because it was to original source of the infection – which could have been the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention, 300 yards away (not the Wuhan Institute of Virology, 8 miles away) The activities of the Wuhan Center for Disease Control and Prevention were more secret than that of the Wuhan Institute of Virology. These are both alternative English names.
Steve Bannon called it a “Biological Chernobyl” (which would mean it was an accident but one they kept hidden.) They may not have known how dangerous it was at first or even that it escaped (or was discarded) by a lab. It could not have originated anywhere near Wuhan (no bats within about 500 miles) and the Chinese government never traced the outbreak to any other place and in fact the question of the origin of the virus is a top state secret in China, and, as usually the case with secrets in China, the fact that it is a secret, is also a secret.
The local despots may have hidden the extent of the problem from the central government for some time.
China’s main concern, with regard to the rest of the world was that travel restrictions not be imposed on people from China, and its diplomats indicated that any government doing so would be considered unfriendly to China.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:38 pmThe Australian theory about why China tried not to let the world know how contagious it was was that China wanted to buy up personal protective equipment. But I think that makes China out to be concerned about the lives of this people. Yes they were stockpiling PE but that was par for the course and not the reason.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:42 pmThat is definitely a Greek face on that girl, steveg.
As for Greeks and Armenians, there is a strong religious affinity, and a cultural affinity that predates Christianity. Armenians and Pontic Greeks are indistinguishable. Elia Kazan could as easily have been Armenian as Greek.
I have nothing against the Azeris, personally, and I don’t think Greeks generally do, either. They are also a tragic people kicked around for all of their history. In the last century alone by the Big Powers, the Ottomans, and the Bolsheviks. In a sense, they and the Armenians are first cousins, and you’d think that they would both know better.
Is there, by any chance, oil under those rocks they’re fighting over?
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:45 pmLefties squealing that the Secret Service agents were in danger from president when they said nothing about protesters screaming in agents’ faces during DC protests is super lol.
harkin (7fb4c9) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:47 pmI have always wanted the lowest common denominator for President. (No, not really.)
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:52 pm35. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:17 am
She turned down an offer to let Congress use the same kind of rapid test the White House uses.
In spite of the fact that Abbott Lab is rapid the White House did not use it quite comprehensively, but still limited its use. When Hope Hicks felt ill she was not tested until the next morning, which was probably a routine test.
Trump had delivered a less lengthy speech at the rally (it is reported he still verbally attacked people from Somalia) and fell asleep on the plane on the way back, which was unusual for him.
I read a claim that the test was never intended for screening. But that probably means they simply didn’t get it approved for that. I read a claim that it gives false negatives one quarter to one third of the time. But that is probably in comparison to a PCR test and is because it is less sensitive – it’s probably pretty good at detecting when someone is contagious, and may have a slight false positive rate of 2% or so..
The problem was the testing was done too far apart in time, and usually when someone was about to see the president. On long trips the person wasn’t retested.
There clearly was a super spreader somewhere.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 8:56 pmThere were problems with that WH test, Sammy, which I mentioned upthread.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:12 pm60. DCSCA (797bc0) — 10/3/2020 @ 11:11 am
His ocygen level was low.
But then he took the antibodies, and the zinc and the Vitamin C and the Vitamin D – everything except HCQ (pepcid, melatonin, aspirin)
https://www.eatthis.com/trump-covid-supplements
And his condition improved.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:14 pmVladimir Putin sprays disinfectant on everybody visiting him, besides requiring a two week quarantine period.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/30/world/europe/putin-virus-russia-bubble.html
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:18 pmas I said. Trump has mpved om from HCQ. He was pushing for the following to be authorized sooner.
https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/trump-covid-regeneron-drug-cocktail-explained/507-042c6581-af06-450c-9f24-1ff96fc586a3
Some of the news media doesn;t want to give credit to the antibody cocktail, but it’s obviously helpful.
Also “experieental”
The aspirin, by the way, is probably to prevent clotting.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:25 pmChris Wallace said maybe two days ago that he was postponing his Covid test till Monday because of the possibility he could get a false negative. Various news people have tested positive.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:28 pmFrom Woodward’s book Rage, regarding China’s terrible conduct regarding Covid-19:
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:35 pm134. steveg (43b7a5) — 10/3/2020 @ 5:33 pm
Air.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:37 pmPaul Montagu (77c694) — 10/4/2020 @ 4:29 pm
And then in the end, they can report he’s “stable” and “in no further danger” for a few days while they shred.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:40 pmI’m guessing no one has been mailing back those ballots since Thursday.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:46 pmLast time I voted for some third party guy who turned out to be a major disappointment.
What were you expecting from a third party anyway?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:48 pmAt last! An explanation for my bald head! I have avoided McDonalds like the plague for virtually my entire life (except for their iced tea, and an occasional soft serve or coffee).
Sadly, no amount of McDonald’s fries has saved my hair, and I really tried.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:56 pmThis is about Taiwan alerting the world on December 31, 2019:
https://www.the-sun.com/news/681808/taiwan-coronavirus-warning-who-human-transmission-china
https://time.com/5826025/taiwan-who-trump-coronavirus-covid19
Much more in that TIME article.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 9:58 pm358. Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/4/2020 @ 6:03 pm
Substantial, I would think, means something more than a fraction of one percent. To any particular person. Even multiplying by 12 or so, it’s still not substantial.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:32 pmAnd it’s got to be “knowingly”
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/4/2020 @ 10:33 pmSubstantial, I would think, means something more than a fraction of one percent.
Measured by the individual risk. You cannot go by the deaths/individuals exposed when the statistics are not evenly distributed. If you exposed a roomful of Olympic athletes the risk is smaller than if you exposed the day room at a nursing home.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:17 amTrump, the super-spreader.
https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/10/white-house-spreads-covid-19-and-lies-about-trumps-health.html
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/10/trump-super-spreader-disinformation/616604/
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 10/5/2020 @ 1:47 amThe virus was isolated and identified in the first week of January.
The local Wuhan health authorities were slow to draw the right conclusions, and “played down” what they knew (including from their own national government). The high incidence of asymptomatic cases probably contributed to their uncertainty and confusion.
Around January 13, experts from Beijing arrived in Wuhan and quickly realized there was a big problem.
The Chinese government started preparing a national response immediately, but didn’t announce it for about a week. On January 20th, a medical journal article was published in which human-to-human transmission, and China began to impose quarantines.
What puzzles me is why everybody – not just China – didn’t assume it was transmissible until proven otherwise. There was incomplete evidence, so it would make sense to err on the side of caution. The enormous economic costs involved probably had something to do with it.
There was understandable reluctance everywhere to face the unpleasant truth. In China, it took until January 20. Here, it looks like it will take exactly one year longer.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/5/2020 @ 2:02 amShorter Dr. Upbeat: Yeah, in other words, I lied.
In other words, it wasn’t necessarily true that they weren’t trying to hide something. And how does it work in medicine, that giving information to the public can steer the course of illness? Trump has employed a lot Trunts to lie for him, but Dr. Upbeat is terrible at it.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/5/2020 @ 2:16 amAn important piece from Dr. Gottlieb:
Instead, the White House opted for only a couple of half measures, a temperature check and the wrong kind of test for the situation. The incompetency and foolishness are incredible.
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/5/2020 @ 4:32 amWith Trump’s little impromptu Sunday parade, isn’t it time for him start receiving psychiatric care there at Walter Reed?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/5/2020 @ 5:33 amHere’s a good question from a Dispatch comment thread: So which would be worse, using a mask as a prop, or using the Bible as a prop?
Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/5/2020 @ 5:49 am327. bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/4/2020 @ 3:39 pm
The key mistake was they lost a chance to ave his life – he driver of the car, in shock, slowed down after the first shot, (which completely missed the car, according to Case Closed by Gerald Posner – the Warren commission said only two bullets were fired and if there was a third, it was between what was really the second and the third, thus creating an apparent issue of the rifle firing too fast which argument isn’t correct though anyway because there would be only two intervals between shots, not three)
The car continued driving away almost in a straight line from Oswald, except more slowly. It took 5 second for the next shot to be fired It was what is now known as the “magic bullet” that hit both Connally and Kennedy – probably paralyzing him. The third bullet, some three second after the second, went into Kennedy’s head, and contrary to the laws of physics, blew his head back, but Luis Alvarez proved later, by experiment and by motion picture photos of some GIs who were killed by snipers in Vietnam, that, on that point, the Warren Commission was right and the laws of physics were wrong!
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5934694
The Kennedy family (it was bigger than him) to say the least was never particularly honest about his health. – and it did take his people about an hour to acknowledge his death. But tht’s the way it is with many people who are fatally injured.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:07 am408. Paul Montagu (77c694) — 10/5/2020 @ 2:16 am
Well, obviously that doesn’t make sense (unless you want to argue it will cause the doctors to abandon treatment) so what he must have meant was that it would make it appear Trump’s prognosis was worse than it was. The doctor also said he was given antibodies 24 hours before he was diagnosed, obviously garbling his words. He said it was because he “translated” Day 2 and Day 3 wrong.
Trump was actually probably heading into very serious danger, but the antibodies made it into a mild case, and if they’d give him some more antibodies they’d probably clear it up in two or three days maximum. But this won’t become standard treatment for up to another six months, and in the meantime people criticize him for pushing it.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/02/us/politics/coronavirus-vaccine.html
so far they’ve kept the FDA from approving it for emergency use, but Trump got to use it. If Trump comes out for making it available to other patients, Biden will probably oppose it, unless he regains some sense.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:24 amDexamethasone Common Side Effects–just the ones Trump needs…
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:32 amAcne
Insomnia
Vertigo
Increased appetite
Weight gain
Impaired skin healing
Depression
Euphoria
Hypertension
Increased risk of infection
Raised intraocular pressure
Vomiting
Dyspepsia
Confusion
Amnesia
Irritability
Nausea
Malaise
Headaches
Cataract (in cases of long-term treatment it occurs in about 10% of patients)
But what they did wasn’t enough. It was, if not not a half measure, and maybe even a 5/6 measure, not enough. It wasn’t rigorously thought out.
It’s probably more like about 40%, but even if it was 52% it is not enough. This figure has probably remained stable since Narch and only 10% to 15% of the people – which would be maybe another 5% to that 40% plus – given that half the population have some sort of immunity anyway to begin with, have been added.
60% isn’t enough fpr herd immunity.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:32 amAnd who was it that rehearsed pulling a mask he never uses out of his pocket as a debate stunt?
Dave (1bb933) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:54 amMan… I don’t think I’ve seen the media lose their mind as bad as we’ve seen.
NOTE: Dexamethasone is a common anti-inflammatory and immunosuppressant medication with NUMEROUS applications. Looking at side-effects on medications to prove that POTUS will have psychic issues is literally pants-on-silly.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 7:59 amI think you misunderstand. Trump doesn’t need any side-effect to be batsh*t crazy.
Dave (1bb933) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:06 amThat’s complete speculation, Sammy, which is a problem that is only exacerbated by White House spin and bullsh*t. Trump works me, and I’d like to know what’s really going on. Maybe he is getting better, but we have no data or vitals, just their word, and I don’t trust the words coming out of Trump’s or Conley’s or Meadows’ mouths.
Paul Montagu (cbbfc4) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:16 amDon’t start from the conclusion the media is being unfair. It’s reasonable to assume they are unfair, but not relevant. I don’t even care or feel any sympathy for Trump. That’s the consequence of his nastiness and constant deceptions to the press. But again, irrelevant.
Trump’s mental health has been an open, reasonable question, ever since Cohen defended Trump for brutalizing his first wife. His bizarre choices all year have consistently made the economy and the health crisis much worse. Recently we learned he’s not a businessman, really. He’s sworn that he failed, big time, every year, at his business. That’s actually pretty crazy because most rich people would have stopped doing the same thing that failed over and over.
Add in his debate performance, easily the worst we’ve ever seen, couldn’t just shut up, asked an org led by Jew hating violent goofballs to “stand by,” basically betraying his oath again. Happily accepts the support of people who try to defend the Proud Boys as anything other than what they are (some of these “people” might even be right here).
And now he’s driving around DC because the doc told him he can’t be discharged. That’s stupid, weirdo behavior, meant to show who the boss is, putting people in danger.
Time for Pence to take charge of the administration. If there’s even a teeny tiny chance of beating Biden, this is it. Unfortunately, Trump fans are kinda religious in their adoration and believe because Trump won in 2016, no poll could possibly be accurate. But this isn’t up to them. It isn’t up to Trump. It’s up to Trump’s cabinet who have known better for years.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:21 amA new Boy Who Cried Wolf. If Trump were indeed doing great, no one believes it. If he has a great vaccine rolling out, no one believes it. The Bagdad Bob act for years, Trump simply never admits anything. He simply does not feel accountable. Integrity is for ‘cucks’. What a weak man.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:25 am@420
Nah. That’s my default position.
They’ve burned their credibility during the Trump era, such that it’s now understood that most of them are advocates, rather good faith journalists.
This is why #FakeNews has legs.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:29 amRemember when, way back less than a week ago, Trump was a historically bad crazy moron person in that “debate” labeled thing. A few days before with his tax scandal…
Hey, we his bosses, decided to give the America’s Lady Friday a drug that may make the crazy man more crazy is a better idea, than just have folks around him wear a simple mask.
What a bunch of morons, collectively, all of America, we’re all tarred with the moron brush.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:30 amNEXT YEAR WILL BE THE BEST EVER. VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!!!!
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:34 amDonald Trump begging twitter for a second chance this morning
Learn how to think. Whether the press is mean to Trump is not relevant to whether Trump is fit for office, based on the facts not in dispute. Dismissing this point with ‘nah, press mean!!!!’ is not a smart way to look at things. This is how Trump fanatics have badly damaged the prestige of a great nation, refusing to think straight.
Watch Pence vs Harris in a couple of days. I bet he impresses. Trump not only failed to beat Biden, he looked crazy.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:38 amFrom three years ago:
I am relieved that pundit doctors and blog commenters are finally concerned about medications and their side effects. I expect Twitter to be jam packed with inquisitions and assumptions regarding congress.
BuDuh (9d1385) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:42 amDo you think Trump has credibility? If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?
If you heard one story from Kayleigh McEnany and Mark Meadows, and the opposite from “the media,” which story would you believe?
When you hear contradictory lines from Trump himself, or his surrogates, do you go with whichever one is the opposite of what “the media” are saying, because they’re always “fake news”?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:44 amOr using a Kente cloth and a knee as a prop?
(I know… whataboutisms are a one way street..)
BuDuh (9d1385) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:47 amMight it be just possible that a mentally impaired president is a more serious problem than a few senile lawmakers?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:48 amKim owns Grubb’s Pharmacy, a 150-year-old DC drugstore that delivers as many as 100 prescriptions a day to Capitol Hill, the outlet reports.
I think that should be: Kim owns Grubb’s Pharmacy, a 150-year-old DC drugstore that until now delivered as many as 100 prescriptions a day to Capitol Hill, the outlet reports. Or at least I know I would switch my prescriptions out of there, right now, and I’m nobody.
nk (1d9030) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:48 amIs the story “Russian collusion?”
BuDuh (9d1385) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:49 amDo you think Trump has credibility? If you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?
Embrace the power of AND. They are both liars, and neither can be relied to get to the truth.
So the answer is I believe neither, until I find credible evidence to support one side or the other. And given that life is complicated, the truth may well lie somewhere in between, or perhaps contradict both narratives.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:52 amActually, I’ve seen criticism of the Kente cloth stunt from people who also criticized Trump’s Bible-holding stunt. But putting on the Kente cloth didn’t require forcefully clearing out Lafayette Square beforehand.
It’s the Trumpists who are fiercely resistant to holding Trump to the standards they demand of others.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:55 amWhat I do know is that Trump and his crew recklessly exposed a group of his own donors ($250k a plate, holey moley, that buy’s a lot of caviar!) to a potentially deadly disease. After they knew he and his assistant, Hope Hicks, had tested positive. That’s borderline criminal, if not criminal.
Sorry, all the BS spin will not change that.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/5/2020 @ 8:55 amWhat if the story is the administration’s pressure on the intelligence community to hold back intelligence on Russian interference because it “made the president look bad”?
What if Trump says he trusts Putin’s word over the U.S. intelligence community? Do you then say “OK, gotta go with Putin then”?
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:02 amThe incompetency and foolishness are incredible.
You misspelled “mundane.”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:02 am@425
Bruh.
Nope. These people are partisan hacks who wants Trump to lose. At this point, they’re the propaganda arm of the DNC. I challenge you to refute that.
For that, alone, is enough for me to do the *opposite* of what they want.
Neither is rewarding their efforts to their desired electoral outcome.
Most everyone during the Trump era need to have a “come to Jesus” moment.
That goes from the Party leaderships, #NeverTrumper and the media.
This is how you get “Trump’ed”.
Dustin, you cannot handwave their behaviors.
For me, my turning point was during the Kavanaugh fiasco and the Convington Pile-on™.
Trump has done enough to alleviate much of my fears in the early days (my fears was that he would “re calibrate” and be that NY Democrat that he was for most of his life and that’s ONLY because the media/Democrat never gave him a “lane”).
The choice now is a POTUS who revels in chaos, but mostly pushes standard GOP/Conservative agendas versus a figure-head who’s party is dominated by radical leftist who I don’t believe has the spine to stand up against his own party’s radicals.
For me, my vote is a simple rational decision.
I’m doing my part to prevent today’s Democrat from having any government powers as best as I can.
He always impresses me. No worries there.
Trump was “Trumpy” and he could’ve been more prepared. But, “he looked crazy” ain’t it chief.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:09 amI’ve been alert to media bias (and simple error) for many years. But it’s astonishing how most of the people who now sound so outraged about “dishonest” media saying unflattering things about Trump are completely unconcerned about the deeper and more routine dishonesty of Trump himself.
If the New York Times says one thing and Trump says the opposite, it’s folly to give higher credence to Trump.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:09 amLearn how to think. Whether the press is mean to Trump is not relevant to whether Trump is fit for office, based on the facts not in dispute. Dismissing this point with ‘nah, press mean!!!!’ is not a smart way to look at things. This is how Trump fanatics have badly damaged the prestige of a great nation, refusing to think straight.
No, this is how the press has squandered any trust (and long before Trump). Once the press is seen as partisan, it will be treated as just more political spin. Doesn’t matter if it’s the WaPo or Fox News. Once objectivity is abandoned by the press, the expectation objectivity by the readers will (and should) vanish.
It’s a problem, and really only solvable by the men and women of the press itself.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:12 am@427
Don’t make this about Trump. Just because Trump does something… doesn’t give you or anyone else “cover” to doing something that burns your credibility to the ground.
The most frustrating about this conversation is that ALL THE MEDIA HAD TO DO IS REPORT IN GOOD FAITH!! That, by itself, ought to be enough for them for Trump regularly steps on his own dick.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:13 amOkay, I’ll give you that. It’s not that he “looked” crazy. It’s that he is crazy — is we’ve heard from some insiders, who attest that there really isn’t a more sober, serious, rational Trump behind that ludicrous public persona.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:14 amseeing as they’ve bought rags from suspected russian spies like danchenko, and fly by night outfits like crowdstrike,
bolivar de gris (7404b5) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:14 am@437, he hates the same people you hate and you’ll tolerate his lies, corruption and incompetence if that’s the price. It’s a coherent stance I’ll give you that.
Time123 (653992) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:14 amThey often do.
Time123 (653992) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:15 amI expect Twitter to be jam packed with inquisitions and assumptions regarding congress.
We demand tax returns, but not medical records. The first is mostly prurient, the latter is important.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:16 amIf you heard one story from Trump and the opposite from WaPo, NYT, NBC, … , would you believe Trump?
Why would one of them be true?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:18 amMost Trump fans do not believe anything negative about Trump no matter how “good faith” the reporting is. They don’t even believe the evidence of Trump’s badness when it’s presented by Trump himself without intermediary.
The spectacle of regular Trump defenders pretending to care about honesty is bizarre.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:19 amMost Trump fans do not believe anything negative about Trump
True. Also, most anti-Trumps believe anything damaging with very little evidence.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:22 amYeah, pretty much.
Dustin (4237e0) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:24 am@444
I disagree.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:26 amTrump is apparently looking to remove Christopher Wray, the head of the FBI because he didn’t like his testimony on the hill and isn’t punishing Trumps enemies well enough. As a reminder, this was under oath and so far there hasn’t been any evidence provided to believe Wray wasn’t fully truthful. Trump just didn’t like it.
Just as an example of Trumps incompetence and corruption. Now imagine the corruption is happening with a president you don’t support. One who isn’t so incompetent that they regularly tell you exactly what, why and how they’re being corrupt.
Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:27 amYes. Reporters may have their ideological blinders, and even agendas, but they are more likely to be trying to get the facts straight than Trump has ever been. And when people who have long presented themselves as media watchdogs become reflexive defenders of Donald Trump, I have to wonder about their biases.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:27 am450, I know you do. And I’m sure our preconceptions make their mistakes look very different.
Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:28 amI don’t automatically believe every anti-Trump story. But I believe what I see directly from Trump himself, while Trump defenders keep insisting that he’s really a much better person than he seems to be.
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:29 amWhen numerous people who chose to work in this administration leave and then say pretty much the same things about Trump’s unfitness, I find the cumulative evidence credible.
Trump defenders, OTOH, will always find or invent some reason to discount it, and then keep saying that those eeevil “anti-Trump” people are always desperate to find some justification for an irrational “hatred.”
Radegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:34 amlike mr. general george s. patton, who was played by mr. actor george c. scott, never said, mr. dustin
nobody ever did the work of the antichrist by getting the covid-19
you do the work of the antichrist by giving a yuge bunch of other people the covid-19
nk (1d9030) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:36 am@451
I actually think this is a Bill Barr thing as he probably want “his guy” for FBI dir.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:42 am@453
Absolutely.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:43 amBored Lawyer, where did you see this timeline. I believe you because your posts are more thorough than many others here. I would like to know where you read this account as I may share this with fellow Trump supporters.
Thanks.
BuDuh (af3778) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:52 amWhen the facts contradict the Trump Narrative, it isn’t media bias, but Trump fans started maintaining that it was, literally on day one, when Trump said that he’d had the largest inauguration ever and then the media went “no” and showed pics from the Obama inauguration taken at the same time, at the same place, with more people. Then the Trump fans had a hissy fit about the press being biased and undermining the president and came up with 850,000 conspiracy theories. That’s not bias, it’s just facts.
Nic (896fdf) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:59 amRadegunda (e1ea47) — 10/5/2020 @ 9:09 am
That’s the New York Times. But what about the Washington Post?
If the New York Times doesn’t say it also, whom do you believe, or more precisely, which way would you bet??
By the way, you have to read the NYT very carefully. Pay attention to solid facts and ignore generalizations.
Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:28 amTry any of these:
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/bedminister-trump-fundraiser-coronavirus/index.html
https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/10/trump-held-nj-fundraiser-hours-before-testing-positive-for-covid-19.html
https://www.wsj.com/articles/inside-trumps-last-public-event-before-disclosing-he-has-coronavirus-11601833568
There seems to be some confusion as to when Trump himself tested positive, but Hope Hicks definitely tested positive well before the event, and attended anyway.
(And some of the plates were cheaper than $250k. Some as low as $2600. Of course, those donors got hot dogs with sauerkraut.)
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:30 amWell, Trump best make it out of Reed before the Veep debate, if Pence impresses, there might be a Hyman Roth incident.
urbanleftbehind (fa9363) — 10/5/2020 @ 10:36 amMaybe, but there’s a lot of reporting about Trump opinion on this none that I’ve seen about Barr. Also, Wray *is* a Trump appointee, Trump got to pick his guy. Even if it is about Control for Barr I think that’s also a corrupt reason to remove Wray. The head of the FBI shouldn’t be a political appointee.
Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:13 am@464
The FBI director *is* a political appointee.
Many on this board (including you I believe) believe that there need to be absolute demarcation between the Whitehouse and the DOJ (which includes the FBI).
That is the wrong way to look at that.
Positions like the AG and FBI Directorship works *for* the President. (not independently *for* the US). If any of them is not performing as the President wants, the President can (and should) find someone else.
Otherwise, you’re advocating an untenable situation where these positions are not held accountable to anyone.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:32 amPositions like the AG and FBI Directorship works *for* the President. (not independently *for* the US). If any of them is not performing as the President wants, the President can (and should) find someone else.
Otherwise, you’re advocating an untenable situation where these positions are not held accountable to anyone.
This is all true, but sidesteps the point. The president, and his appointees, are supposed to be exercising their duties for the public good, not to advance the political position of the president, at least not directly. (Of course, if the president is seen as doing a good job, that helps his re-election chances.)
And Congress does have oversight, so the testimony to them has to be above-board. If you mislead Congress under oath, then you are going over the line.
Bored Lawyer (7b72ec) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:54 am@466 I’m not sidestepping the point. The “go-to” response has been that action is “corrupt”…
I agree with your overall post, but there’s a wide gulf between replacing someone for corrupt reasons vs the POTUS’ desire for certain job performance.
whembly (c30c83) — 10/5/2020 @ 11:59 amWhembly,
I think we’re close.
You are 100% legally correct and I admit that. Just as Trump and McConnel could legally have added a dozen new judges to the supreme court this year and made 3 of them Trump’s kids.
But there is a norm that the law enforcement agencies don’t act as political agencies of the executives that are in charge of them. It’s part of why the FBI director is nominated for a 10 year term. It’s just a norm, and Trump is within his right to fire Wray and replace him with political crony, say Roger Stone. If the Senate approved it would be totally legal.
This isn’t to say that Wray couldn’t or shouldn’t be accountable to elected officials. He should be, but having that take the form of politically motivated investigations or prosecutions and message discipline is IMO corrupt.
It’s fine for the president to set broad priorities. Saying “The FBI needs to more focus on child sex trafficking and Terrorism.” is fine IMO. Saying “The head of the FBI needs to publicly state that my political opponents are terrorists who traffic children.” is not.
It was corrupt for Loretta Lynch to meet with Bill Clinton on the tarmac. It would have been more corrupt for Obama to contact Comey and tell him to announce that Hillary did nothing wrong, or even to tell him that no announcement ahead of the election was permissible. It would have been in between for Obama to openly rage about what Comey was doing and make it clear that he would fire him if damaging information wasn’t stopped.
Time123 (441f53) — 10/5/2020 @ 12:03 pm