Think Progress Hillary Shill Upset That Hillary Not On Sunday Talk Shows…No, Make That Upset That *Other Women* Not On Sunday Talk Shows…(Because Hillary Might Actually Be Forced To Answer Direct Questions About Pesky Issues She Is Working To Avoid And We Can’t Have That!)
[guest post by Dana]
There was an amusing twitter exchange this morning between Think Progress legal brain, Judd Legum (whom I have previously written about), and CNN’s Jake Tapper:
Featured guests on big 5 Sunday shows today (ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, CNN):
11 Men
1 Woman
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum we had two presidential candidates on. The woman running for the Democratic nomination hasn't sat down to do one Sunday show yet.
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper If/when Hillary does your show, that won't solve the problem
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum c) reducing Bernie Sanders as a guest to "just another white male" reinforces that think progress just a pro Clinton organization
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper when did I say that? This is absurd
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum he was one of my two guests today and you are classifying him as just another white male
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper You somehow turned that into an argument specifically against Bernie Sanders which I think you know is ridiculous
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum you brought up the guests on the Sunday shows today and gender diversity – the guests on SOTU are running for president
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper congrats! Do you think Sunday Shows should make an effort to book more women as featured guests? Or is there no issue at all?
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum I think that your diversity counts would be impacted if your chosen candidate Hillary Clinton did more interviews
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper My only point is that the Sunday Shows should consider booking more women as featured guests. Sorry if that offends you
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
@JuddLegum I think pretending as though the presidential field isn't the issue here versus guests is dishonest
— Jake Tapper (@jaketapper) July 5, 2015
@jaketapper I think pretending this is only an issue during presidential election years is dishonest or intellectually lazy
— Judd Legum (@JuddLegum) July 5, 2015
So, what was Legum’s girl, Hillary, up to? Well, she was making sure no solid reporters worth their mettle confronted her with any substantive questions about any number of current scandals involving her – unless of course, they were about ice cream:
Nothing says freedom on Independence Day like corralling reporters with a rope to keep them away from Hillary Clinton as she marches in a July 4th parade.
Clinton’s advance team used a rope to separate the press from the Democratic presidential candidate as she walked the parade route, at times dragging the cranky reporters down the road.
The decision to lasso the media was a reminder of Clinton’s fraught relationship with the press. Pictures of the reporter-roping took on a life of their own on social media and overshadowed what was supposed to be a news-less holiday photo-op in the early primary state.
Republican candidates marched in 4th of July parades “without obstruction from their staff.”
–Dana
Hello.
(Pre-emptive strike: yes, post title is clunky, but if just one point can be taken away from headline scanners, let it be this!)
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:12 pmHello, Dana.
I wonder if even the slavish media lefties aren’t getting tired of the incessant whining from the social justice warriors. I mean, it was all fun and games when they turned their fire exclusively on conservatives, but now that they have started biting the hand that has fed them. . . .
JVW (8278a3) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:25 pmThat’s not to lump Jake Tapper in with the slavish media lefties by the way. He’s been pretty good in the Age of Obama at playing it straight and honest.
JVW (8278a3) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:26 pmDadgum has me confuzzled, I’m sure he wasn’t enthusiastic when Geller or Hirsi Ali was on deck,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:32 pmEvery time I read one of the exchanges, I’m so glad I have nothing to do with Twitter.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:32 pmJVW,
I think it’s going to be interesting to see how long Hillary’s dismissiveness toward the Merida will be tolerated. And that it’s Jake Tapper pushing back so publicly is a big step and boldly makes the point. Frankly, the more Judd Legum pushed back, the more foolish he appeared.
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:33 pm*meant “these exchanges,” sorry. See, even that brief exposure to Twitter killed several hundred thousand of my neurons and prompted me to make a stupid typo.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:33 pmBeldar,
Like it or not, social media has become a powerful tool in modern politics. I think, that as such, the right would be foolish to ignore it or refuse to participate.
With that, do you believe there is no benefit derived from it in general, or just in this particular case?
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:41 pmtwitter can be useful, a debate with Dadgum is a total waste of time,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 3:44 pmFrom the look of things, Hillary has more than one favorite flavor of ice cream.
AZ Bob (339ee7) — 7/5/2015 @ 4:46 pmI’m more offended by the History Channel describing David Sarnoff as “a pioneer of television who recognised that with great power comes great responsability”.
Wrong. He was a self aggrandizing theif, and a pioneer in barely legal “lawfare” thuggery. More in common with Bret Kimberlin, than with Farnsworth or Zworykin.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/5/2015 @ 4:52 pmThat a tricky, incompetent scrounge like Hillary is even taken as seriously as she is, based on various opinion polls, says something about us — about the US — as much as it says about her. Then again (assuming the science of poll-taking is not necessary better here than elsewhere), various surveys on today’s vote in Greece indicated the “no” vote would get a bare majority or that the outcome would be too close to call.
Mark (e584c3) — 7/5/2015 @ 4:56 pmThis event occurred on a public street in an American city. I do not understand why the reporters could not go where they want when they want. Why do they let themselves be roped off by Hillary’s flunkies? Is it that Hillary’s revenge for breaching the rope barrier would be too horrible ot contemplate?
Gary Hoffman (1943bf) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:05 pmGary, the reporters were not roped off. Two people carrying a rope walked in front of Mrs Clinton, to prevent people from blocking her way. Anyone standing in front of that rope had to move.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:13 pmReally, Milhouse? You really, really felt the need to belabor the absolute definition of “roped off”? Frankly, I’d rather see someone carrying a rope walking behind Mrs. Clinton. wink, wink.
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:17 pmGeraldine Ferraro had a rope line set up for her visit to Sacramento way back when.
I don’t think the Clinton camps use of ropelines, or herding of bovine tempered news gaggles is as important or unusual as you let on.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:18 pmthey may not be lemmings, but they are certainly cattle,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:20 pmWell, good for Jake! He is an honest man.
Meanwhile, the Hillsters might have another career opportunity when this campaign is put to bed!
http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=sheep+dogs+&FORM=HDRSC3#view=detail&mid=9CF72470729521358AEC9CF72470729521358AEC
Patricia (5fc097) — 7/5/2015 @ 5:34 pmDana, I think that Twitter is shallow and a waste of resources on anyone’s part, left or right.
I think anything important that needs to be said can be said elsewhere, and should be said elsewhere, in other ways, to better effect and ultimately to a broader audience.
I hate trying to follow a rational argument or discussion or debate in these screenshots: There are dozens of inches of screen-space, it takes me 20 seconds just to scroll through it, for what could be more easily read, and more clearly comprehended, in plain text.
I don’t think that’s necessarily the case with all “social media”; that term can include, for example, this blog, the content and variety of which are rich and deep. Twitter is shallow and stupid, would-be stand-up comics shouting one-liners at each other.
And I’m going to go tell this to all those kids as I chase them off my lawn again.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/5/2015 @ 6:42 pmDana: Do you think if Lincoln and Douglas were still alive, they’d be debating on Twitter? I kinda think not.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/5/2015 @ 6:43 pmThere is entirely too much personnel devoted to “solving the mystery” of Great White shark feeding habits.
Hope they aren’t all being paid off in government grants. Any gov grants really. What a waste of a fishing trawler.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/5/2015 @ 6:59 pmBeldar,
I hope you were being humorous in questioning me about a modern Lincoln/Douglas debate. Everyone knows Americans no longer have a long enough attention span to listen to anything for that long. Sound bytes only. It’s a high-tech-short-attention span America we live in.
Given that I believe you and I are in the same age bracket, I understand your feelings about Twitter, and frankly, to a great degree share them. However, it’s simply a fact that Twitter has evolved into an extremely popular medium for politics. Every candidate regularly updates their Twitter account with snippets of policy stands, bills they support, fundraising for campaigns, and endorsements. It may appear unseemly or demeaning, but this is reality.
As to debating on Twitter, I’ve seen Ace, and our host, spectacularly take down liberals in 140 characters or less. If it’s effective in pushing back against those want to transform our country, shouldn’t we accept its usefulness? As well as take full advantage of it?
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:04 pmIt’s not the medium itself. It’s the immediacy and pace of twitter convo which is the problem. People get hot, their Adrenalin going, their hearts pumping, and they lose their s#it. And it’s all out there for the world to see-forever. TV and radio have audio delay that can bleep out a problem, and emails can be quickly re-read just to be sure before hitting send. Some people thrive on the stimulation of twitter like some other people enjoy the stimulation of jumping out of planes. Some people are better at it than others.
elissa (344657) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:26 pma rather dismissive tone to Klobuchar, and Castro ftm, but this is apparently to dismiss any comment out of hand, like Cruz’s strong performance on ‘Meet the Depressed’ that makes two Latinos right?
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:27 pmhttp://therightscoop.com/its-the-justices-that-politicized-the-court-ted-cruz-on-gay-marriage-ruling-and-how-to-fix-it/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:29 pmif one were cynical, I would suspect an agenda, on the part of Dadgum:
http://therightscoop.com/even-commie-leftist-van-jones-thinks-hillarys-reporter-ropin-pics-are-awful-the-worst-visual-image/
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:37 pmGiven that both Beldar and I do not have Twitter accounts, I would like to hear from someone who does and what they think of using it to push back against liberal thought, as well as how they feel about the quick pace of the medium. I suspect age demographics factors in considerably to how one views the medium and its collective elements.
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:40 pmGary was under the impression that the reporters were literally roped off in a separate section which they couldn’t leave, and wondered why they put up with it. I explained what really happened, and thus why there was nothing they could lawfully do about it. Reporters have the same right as anyone else to walk on the street, but so do the people walking a few feet in front of Mrs Clinton, holding the rope. Reporters don’t have the right to block the progress of a parade, or of traffic in general.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:50 pmut gets like thunderdome after a while,
https://twitter.com/jaketapper/status/617726337499930625
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:52 pmIt is remarkable, or it should be, that the MFM allow themselves to be treated like cattle.
JD (3b5483) — 7/5/2015 @ 7:56 pmcattle serve some function, the SRM have yet to prove themselves useful,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:00 pm” factors ” should be “factor”…
Dana (86e864) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:06 pmJD, they were not treated like cattle. You too, like Gary, seem to be under the impression that they were roped off into a section. They weren’t. All that happened was that two people walked down the parade route, at the same pace as the rest of the parade, holding a rope between them. Any reason they shouldn’t do that?
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:07 pmno. they behave like cattle, like the talking one in ‘Restaurant at the End of the Universe’
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:10 pmNo, they don’t, except sometimes to Democrats.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:12 pmwhich is all that matters, to the GOP, they act like wolves, scrambling for scraps,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:16 pmIs that what you think the goal of the reporters was blocking a parade and traffic? Ya think perhaps they wanted to talk to a Presidential candidate? Maybe ask some questions? Or were these the only Republican reporters on earth there to nefariously impede the progress of the chosen one and make her look bad? Blocking parades and traffic, what’s next, getting Americans killed in far-off places? Hiding/loosing illegal e-mails? Collecting hundreds of millions of dollars from foreign countries? Sheesh! And I’d like to ask you Milhouse, what would happen if you or I decided to have “two people walked down the parade route, at the same pace as the rest of the parade, holding a rope between them.”? Do ya think they’d call it “blocking the parade and traffic” or not? An affront to Hillary!, or not? “Treating them like cattle” or not?
Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:26 pmhttp://twitter.com/danmericaCNN/status/617445099342065665/photo/1
It was done for their own good.
JD (3b5483) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:38 pmlike Doug and Dimmesdale Piranha, (the Krays) and their fixation with nails,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:45 pmThat was all the rope prevented them from doing.
How is that wish relevant? If she wants to talk to them she has their numbers. All of them. Right then she was marching, and they were standing in her way.
Um, no, it’s the exact opposite. The people with the rope were preventing anyone from blocking the parade. I see no reason why you or I couldn’t do that at any parade.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:47 pmSometimes Milhouse is just funnin’ with everyone, until you realize he doesn’t have a sense of humor.
JD (addbc4) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:49 pmNot to nit pick but it was Dinsdale Piranha.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:50 pmI have plenty humor, JD, but there’s nothing funny here.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:51 pmwell excuse me, but you get the picture,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:52 pmMess up again and I will send Luigi Vercotti over.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/5/2015 @ 8:57 pmThree channels of shark this-n-that described and semi-justified as investigation of “little known feeding habits” , and you don’t think that’s funny?
They have so many shark taggers in the water the fish look like porcupines.
papertiger (c2d6da) — 7/5/2015 @ 9:00 pmEngaging in a debate with a JAYVEE azzwipe Marxist flack is useless. Did/Does Jake Crapper think for a moment that this driveling pile of SCAT is HONEST and in any way interested in anything other than furthering the POWER GRAB by CANKLES and her pathetic Husband?? You CANNOT win a debate with someone who is not honest. The LEFT, the FUXING DEMOTARD PARTY is 100% dishonest. It’s who they are. Until such time as WE, recognize that these people are anti-American Marxist bastards, we CANNOT DEFEAT THEM. Keep playing nice with LYING MARXIST HACKS AMERICA!!! Take the high road!! And allow the KICKS TO YOUR BALLS and your CHILDRENS BALLS to continue. Play by THEIR RULES FOOOOOOOOOLS.
Gus (7cc192) — 7/5/2015 @ 9:16 pmRollin’ Rollin’ Rollin’
Rollin’ Rollin’ Rollin’
Rollin’ Rollin’ Rollin’
Rollin’ Rollin’ Rollin’
Hill hides!
Rollin’ Rollin’ Rollin’
Though cankles are swollen
Keep that money rollin’,
Hill hides!
lies, hot wind, skin’s leather
Light as a feather
Wishin’ her gal was by her side
All the shows she’s missin ‘
And still her ass they’re kissin’
The press’re givin’ her a free ride
Move ’em on
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/5/2015 @ 9:50 pm(Head em’ up!)
Head em’ up
(Move ’em on!)
Move ’em on
(Head em’ up!)
Hill hides!
Cut it out
(Write ’em off!)
Write ’em in
(Cut it out!)
Cut it out
Write her off,
Hill hides!
H.C is raking in the dough for her campaign, much more than the major GOP candidates.
seeRpea (0cf003) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:03 pmSo don’t be smug. Excellent chance she will be next PotUS.
He’s a big fan…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:13 pmseeRpea, money doesn’t often buy elections. It’s necessary, but by no means sufficient. If it were, Meg Whitman, Linda McMahon, Steve Forbes, Tom Golisano, would all have won hands down.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:14 pmIt is called Rope A Dope.
AZ Bob (34bb80) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:17 pmColonel, you’ll like this. Clint has said that there were many scenes on Rawhide where they would be sitting around at Breakfast and describe the previous night’s bar brawl.
“Then you hit upside the head with a chair.”
“And he smashed him with a bottle.” Etc, etc.
The reason was that the show had no budget to film the fights, so they had to describe them.
Gazzer (ee3742) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:18 pmre #51: there is money and there is MONEY.
you think we would have our present PotUS if his campaign hadn’t raised such a large amount in 2008?
If she raises enough by Jan 2016 she can choose the same route as B.O. did in 2008 and just spend,spend,spend. She doesn’t need to convince people who are un-sure about it, she needs to get out the vote from her party and the dependents in her party.
What I don’t get is why are so many people contributing now? I already get that there are plenty of people who won’t look past her gender and the “D” next to her married name. but why give so much now?
seeRpea (0cf003) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:36 pmYes, I do. He couldn’t have done it with no money at all, but he could have done it with a lot less than Hillary or McCain had, let alone with a lot less than he raised.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/5/2015 @ 10:43 pmThat’s funny, Gazzer. Leather shoestring, no doubt.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/6/2015 @ 6:27 amshe’ll have problems turning out her vote again,
narciso (ee1f88) — 7/6/2015 @ 6:38 amSo, dare I ask, what happens if one ducks down under the rope to walk as a human might, where one desires, without harming anyone? What legal power does this rope and those aides holding it have?
I know Hillary has Secret Service protection, which argues that she shouldn’t be marching in any kind of parade.
luagha (1de9ec) — 7/6/2015 @ 7:41 amPerhaps they were frightened by the sound of clapping.
CrustyB (69f730) — 7/6/2015 @ 9:44 amThe rope doesn’t need any legal power. The people holding the rope have the same right to march in the parade that anyone else does. And a normal person standing directly in the path of a parade walks in the same direction as it, not in the opposite direction, walking into people and obstructing their progress.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/6/2015 @ 2:40 pmUm, whyever not? Candidates march in parades all the time. That’s what they do.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/6/2015 @ 2:41 pmAnd nobody had the stones to just duck under the stupid rope. Truly pitiful.
mojo (a3d457) — 7/6/2015 @ 3:49 pmAce is a better stand-up comedian than most Twitter users. But he’s vastly more effective in other media.
There’s nothing you can say on Twitter that you can’t say on a blog. Nothing prevents anyone from being concise and snappy on a blog. If you’re trying for some reason to hold yourself to 140 characters, you can do that on a blog.
I think Twitter’s influence is vastly overrated, and its statistics include tons and tons of “bots” and abandoned accounts. I’m hard-pressed to think of anything significant in American public life that Twitter’s actually influenced, much less changed.
I don’t condemn anyone for trying to use it, but I think it’s foolish. I very, very seriously doubt that any GOP candidate will actually lose a voter, or fail to influence a voter, by focusing instead on other media instead of Twitter. Put another way, I think the power and influence of shallow would-be stand-up-comedians is likely greater among Dems and the left. Those campaign staffers whom the GOP candidates are paying to be their “social media” consultants would probably do better knocking on doors or making cold calls.
Dang it, while I was typing this, those kids got back on my lawn. Gotta run, but don’t tweet me later.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/6/2015 @ 4:09 pmIf Twitter really were “effective,” there’d be no need for you to have made this post, Dana, nor for our host to have made other such posts. We’d all have already read it on Twitter, and drawn our own conclusions from that.
If you measure “effectiveness” by the feeling of self-satisfaction both sides feel after a shouted conversation between heckler and performer — neither of whom can agree which of them is which — then yeah, I guess Twitter is effective. It’s a conversation I’m disinclined to subject myself to, though.
Dangit, those kids are quick — back on my lawn already, faster than one of them could even have composed and sent a tweet, I think.
Beldar (fa637a) — 7/6/2015 @ 4:15 pm==The rope doesn’t need any legal power. The people holding the rope have the same right to march in the parade that anyone else does.==
You seem willfully clueless about why people are reacting to this. It’s the horrible creepy optics of this rope scheme that you refuse to acknowledge despite people attempting multiple times to explain it to you. That is the issue. In every parade I’ve ever attended where a significant candidate or current senator/representative/governor is marching, there have been two or three people spaced to span the entire street width-marching about 10 feet ahead- and jointly holding a cable with a large banner attached announcing, “Governor of Illinois Pat Quinn” or some such. It manages to keep the media and eager citizens at bay just like the obnoxious rope trick, in addition to helpfully saying who the person behind, smiling and waving, is!
elissa (dc3fe2) — 7/6/2015 @ 4:20 pmElissa, of course it looks bad, but a lot of people here are under the impression that it was bad. A lot of the comments here make no sense unless the commenters thought there was an actual roped-off area where the press were voluntarily corralled, and that just isn’t so. I agree that the addition of a sign would have made it look better in the pictures, but that wouldn’t have affected the rights and wrongs of the situation.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/6/2015 @ 5:40 pmGood Allah, Milhouse.
JD (3b5483) — 7/6/2015 @ 7:05 pm“Good Allah” what? You seemed to think they were “treated like cattle”, so I corrected your misapprehension. I expected you to appreciate that, not to attack me.
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/7/2015 @ 12:21 am== “I corrected your misapprehension. I expected you to appreciate that,….” Milhouse==
== “You would think they’d be saying thank you,” President Obama told a Dem fundraiser in Miami while falsely claiming that he’s cut taxe.==
elissa (8f9698) — 7/7/2015 @ 12:14 pmWell, if he had cut taxes, we would thank him, wouldn’t we?
Milhouse (a04cc3) — 7/7/2015 @ 2:20 pmI suspect that any of our lawyers on here can correct me, but … in such a situation, with the Her Royal Clintoness ropewalkers accompanying HRC in the parade, if a few of the journalists being herded away from Her Royal Clintoness had simply stood still without blocking the humans, what could the ropewalkers have done ? Those standing still do not block the humans, just the rope …
I do that occasionally, when folk walk four abreast, side-by-side taking up an entire sidewalk, sweeping all before them … I simply stop just off centre of the sidewalk until they move aside round me, and then I walk on … as far as I know, that is the courteous and legal non-confrontational thing to do – to presume that they will equally-courteously adjust their course so as to avoid a collision …
Alastor (2e7f9f) — 7/7/2015 @ 4:05 pm