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Pressing Super Bowl Debate: Should Richard Sherman Leave The Game If His Girlfriend Goes Into Labor?

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:14 am

[guest post by Dana]

Yesterday, I caught a surprisingly heated debate on the radio about whether or not Seattle Seahawks player Richard Sherman, who will be a key player in tomorrow’s game against the New England Patriots, should leave the field if girlfriend Ashley Moss goes into labor with their first baby. The baby is due February 12.

Arguing that he should leave the game to be with Moss were several men who expressed their regret at not being able to witness the birth of their own children due to business commitments that kept them away from home and/or military service that kept them out of country. They deeply regretted they missed such a significant moment. Callers also said he should be there because the birth of one’s baby and a lifetime of fatherhood far outweighs a few-hours long football game in terms of importance.

Arguing that Sherman should not leave the game were several callers who believed that his first priority was to the team. Further, they argued that as this is his job, he has an obligation to meet the expectations of his employers. They also felt that Sherman isn’t unique in this as there are many fathers unable to attend the births of their children because of critical obligations (two callers cited military service) which left them no choice in the matter. And finally, the argument was made that the decision to stay on the field and fulfill his commitment would be a good example of a solid work ethic that Sherman could later share with his child.

For his part, coach Pete Carroll is supportive if Sherman opts to skip the game altogether:

“It’s about family first and we will support his decision,” Carroll said before adding that he “can’t wait to see little Petey.”


98 Responses to “Pressing Super Bowl Debate: Should Richard Sherman Leave The Game If His Girlfriend Goes Into Labor?”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  2. I guess they don’t know about inducing labor in Portland.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  3. I heard that Sherman said that the child is already so full of wisdom and thoughtfulness he/she knows enough not to be born until after the game.

    I think it largely depends on what she wants and whether there is any evidence of possible complications.

    I guess he could have a chartered jet sitting on the tarmac ready to whisk him back asap.
    I suppose there are regs against having a high ranking air force officer with his own designated fighter taking him home at mach 2.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  4. Who cares, the Pats have a lock on the game (wink, wink).

    askeptic (efcf22)

  5. DRJ, that wouldn’t square with the “naturalness” of Portlandia.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  6. Well, that’s a good point, DRJ. Not that I know directly, but I guess some docs do feel free, hopefully with patient’s request, to tweak the timing a little as possible.
    But other docs frown on that, thinking that such a decision is better left to Mother Nature/ the sovereignty of God, unless there is a reason in addition to convenience.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  7. It would seem unethical to induce for a Super Bowl game when it doesn’t present any clear medical benefit to mother or child for delivery at that point in time.

    But then again, women are controlling what was once nature’s timetable, for a myriad of reasons:

    Studies have found that from 1990 to 2006, the rate of induced labors more than doubled—in large part due to “on-demand” induced labors. A full-term pregnancy lasts 40 weeks but induced labors are being done on-demand, meaning out of convenience rather than medical necessity, as early as 37 weeks. Sometimes it’s scheduling: the doctor the mother wants is only available when the baby is 38 weeks old, the mother’s mother can only be in town to help when the baby is 37 weeks, the father of the baby has a business trip when the baby is full-term. Other times, it’s a decision to opt out of the last couple weeks of a pregnancy because they are the most uncomfortable and debilitating.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  8. i could write a heart-felt country music song either way

    happyfeet (831175)

  9. What a crock ! When my third child was born, I was on duty as a surgery resident at County Hospital. My wife called at 3 AM to tell me she was in labor and I had my hands deep in the belly of a guy who had accidentally shot himself. I told her to call friends and went back to work. I finally finished at 7 AM and had time to go to the hospital where I borrowed enough money from her to buy myself breakfast, as they wheeled her into the delivery room. In those days, fathers were not allowed in delivery even if they were doctors.

    I finally pulled the guy through who had been the object of my attention at 3 AM. For years after, he would call on my son’s birthday to tell the baby sitter the story of how I saved his life. In actual fact, we finally decided the story of how he shot himself was too unlikely and that the wife had shot him.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  10. the rate of induced labors more than doubled

    This is especially true in Brazil which has the highest C-section rate in the world, much higher than the US.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  11. Sounds like abortion lite @ Dana. Whatever’s convenient for the baby momma. Wouldn’t want sweetums uncomfy.

    But not so concerned with her wellbeing to actually enter into marriage, to give her contractual peace of mind.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  12. Mike K,

    Great story. Up until the 70’s, fathers were not typically allowed in delivery rooms. Does that mean that generations of men missed out on having a more unique relationship and special closeness to their children because they didn’t watch their entry into the world? Of course not. With that, while there is certainly something utterly wonderful about having one’s mate there to support and witness and revel in the new life together, it does not determine the sort of father that man will be, nor the sort of adult that baby will grow to become. There’s plenty of time for the inevitable good parenting and bad parenting to take place in the next 18 years.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  13. I suspect doctors have been inducing labor for convenience for decades. My oldest was induced 28 years ago today. (Happy Birthday, honey!) I was post-term when I showed early signs of labor. The doctor on call who was filling in for my regular OB/GYN didn’t want to wait all weekend for me to deliver, so he induced.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  14. There are times when I think the Caliphate would be a really, really good thing for America.

    nk (dbc370)

  15. He also tried to get me to agree to a C-Section so he could get home at a reasonable hour, but I refused.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  16. Meh, if she goes into labor shortly before or during the game she should drop the kid on the 50 yard line on live TV. That way hubby can be there with her.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  17. That’s not a bad idea. Except Sherman would probably body check the doc out of the way and intercept the kid.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  18. If there are drugs or something (jumping jacks?) to induce labor, what about drugs or something (standing her on her head?) to delay?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  19. Induction rates more than doubled between 1990 and 2006, but the rates stabilized after the ACOG revised its induction guidelines in 2009. In general, induding for convenience before 39-40 weeks probably isn’t desirable, but I know many people do it.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  20. There are drugs to do both things, papertiger, but I don’t think they would try to delay her labor at this point.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  21. What a non-story. He should do whatever he and his wife decide. None of my beeswax.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  22. “That’s not a bad idea. Except Sherman would probably body check the doc out of the way and intercept the kid.”

    papertiger – She could use one of Brady’s deflated balls as a pillow.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  23. Gazzar,

    I agree, overall it should be a non-story, however that the debate was so heated and on a sports radio station, i looked further into it and found that it’s become a story. Clearly there is a lot of money involved in a Super Bowl and Sherman is a key player. In any other world, it should be between he and his girlfriend, but there’s a lot at stake in this.

    Of course, who knows, she could go another 4 weeks and all of this would be moot.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  24. What if Sherman’s mother has a heart attack during the game? Should he hop on a plane to LA at halftime?
    What if Sherman’s brother has a car accident? What if Sherman’s Dad get’s a HANGNAIL? What if Sherman’s sister get beat up by a boyfrind during the game?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  25. Seems like Sherman spells team with a whole bunch of iiiii’s

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  26. This is a big story and a good one to blog on. I think the NFL has to act concerned because of all the problems it’s had with wayward or criminal NFL dads and husbands. I doubt past NFL management/teams gave much thought about players who had conflicts like this, but they are now because of recent bad PR.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  27. “This is a big story and a good one to blog on. I think the NFL has to act concerned because of all the problems it’s had with wayward or criminal NFL dads and husbands.”

    DRJ – They could ask Ray Rice to be her emergency labor coach!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  28. She’s not due until the 12th, so I doubt it’ll matter.
    Although if need be, it seems like there might be enough time to get the whole thing over with during Katy Perry’s halftime show

    steveg (794291)

  29. If he really wanted to do the right thing, he should have married his girlfriend.

    The notion that he should stay at he game, because it will teach his son that “he has an obligation to meet the expectations of his employers” sort of pales in comparison to not marrying his mother and making his son a bastard.

    The very traditional Dana (1b79fa)

  30. Vince Lombardi would not approve.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  31. Very Traditional Dna,

    Not one caller brought up that point. However, Ashley Moss would have been smart, if for financial reasons, to have made sure she had a ring on her finger before the bun in the oven.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  32. The girlfriend says “As soon as it’s over, he can be there” so they’ve made their decision on how to handle this as a couple. Maybe the media and the NFL want the good PR of a Super Bowl baby and a coach who talks PC.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  33. I agree with DRJ. This is supposed to be positive pr.
    I don’t mean to make light of as a blog topic.

    there’s just so much in your face wussification on this thing. Why don’t they go the full monty and make them wear pink knee socks. Put cute little storks on the side of their helmets?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  34. It looks kinda like a stork that thwapped into a windshield beak first on there now

    steveg (794291)

  35. Dana (8e74ce) — 1/31/2015 @ 9:47 am

    Don’t know/remember who it was, but on a FoxNews show yesterday jawing about this, one elderly gentleman responded to a remark about how important it was to having the dad there for the delivery to bond with his child, that what was important was not his presence in the delivery room, but his presence in his child’s life for the next 21 years.
    I think he’s a ‘contact hitter’ who put it ‘downtown’.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  36. The very traditional Dana (1b79fa) — 1/31/2015 @ 10:36 am

    Now, that’s cold!

    askeptic (efcf22)

  37. People who get paid to talk about sports or write about sports need to talk about something other than, “This is the first Super Bowl that Russell Wilson has played in since 2014!!!”

    Yes, they do have ways to slow labor as well, though it’s been a long time since I’ve had first hand knowledge of such a thing. Slowing labor for 8 hours while he is on a plane coming back might be “conceivable”.

    Mike K. but you know that’s different, you were doing something important, not performing a scheduled (and not necessary) tonsillectomy on somebody. Sherman is “just playing a game”. Even though the amount of earnings of his teammates is on the line, if anyone on the team needs the SB winnings for financial security they have a problem bigger than Sherman showing up; but as mentioned above, people in Vegas and elsewhere betting on the game, that’s a different story.
    I wonder if less betting will be done on the game this year as some more restrained and professional about it realize there is a factor that odds-makers can’t account for.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  38. hey, I found it.
    Some would say that the truly “traditional” thing to do would be for Sherman to play the game:

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  39. i guess he didn’t have that much faith that his team would go all the way. they should have thought of the timing when they got pregnant…

    take your butt to w*rk.

    and yeah, having w*rked L&D, neither a live birth, nor a C-section, is anything i’d look forward to seeing again, any time soon, let alone see the whole event, all the way through.

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  40. To the point about the NFL and its image regarding criminal dads and husbands, they are sponsoring a PSA addressing domestic abuse and sexual assault. After the Ray Price scandal and NFL Commissioner Goodell’s behavior through the ordeal, it has become nearly impossible for the NFL to appear as if they are looking the other way regarding their players’ behavior towards women. They at least have to appear concerned and as if they are working to holding their players accountable.

    This Sherman/baby issue is the perfect PR for the league. It’s warm and fuzzy and works to distract from the historical stigma associated with the NFL.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  41. I should add that the NFL’s PSA will air tomorrow during the Super Bowl.

    Dana (8e74ce)

  42. This is simply the by-product of a 24 hour news cycle that needs filling.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  43. I bet Sherman just didn’t want to have to listen to Paul Allens band again, and throwing the game was out so…

    steveg (794291)

  44. I hope the mom and baby are healthy and everything goes smoothly.
    Enjoy the Cuban. Churchill I presume.

    mg (31009b)

  45. You really need to check out the link above if you haven’t.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  46. If they change the name of the Redskins to the Storks I’m demanding a royalty.

    You’re my witnesses.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  47. Come on. It’s not like it’s going to work.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  48. you were doing something important, not performing a scheduled (and not necessary) tonsillectomy on somebody.

    When my wife was in labor with the fourth child (now 34), I had a scheduled pacemaker to do. She was being induced because her membranes had ruptured the night before and, when nothing much was happening, I ran over to the other hospital and made it back in time to be there. Could have missed the whole thing.

    The little kid waiting to have a tonsillectomy has as much claim on my time as the guy who shot himself (or whose wife did so). Ditto for the old lady waiting for her pacemaker to be implanted. I did delay it for a couple of hours until it was apparent that the baby was not going to be there immediately.

    I would say Sherman has an obligation to his teammates.

    That fourth child was the first one where I was allowed in the delivery room, by the way.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  49. NBC and the NFL should want the baby to come during the game. I’d have a cameraman assigned to watch Sherman and catch him racing to his limo and the hospital. They don’t want all the post-game press to be about the Budweiser and GoDaddy commercials.

    DRJ (a83b8b)

  50. Sherman’s teammates are supportive if he opts to skip the game:

    Seahawks defensive end Michael Bennett: “But I think Sherm will make the right decision. It’s only once in a lifetime you get to see your kid born, but it’s only once in a lifetime you get to the Super Bowl. It’s a hard decision.”


    One of his teammates thinks it could work to the Seahawks’ advantage if Sherman’s son is born Sunday.

    “That would be a special birthday,” Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson said. “If Richard’s son is born on Sunday, I would be so happy for him. I know he would have a great game. I know if I’m Tom [Brady], I’m not throwing his way if [Sherman’s] son is born on the same day. Richard will want to make some extra plays for him. But I’m excited for him. Richard will be a great father.”

    Dana (8e74ce)

  51. Mike K.
    When our last was born, I had a position that entailed a lot of home visits on chronically ill folks. I made a brief visit to a patient on the way to the hospital while my wife waited in the car…
    I do not understand, though, why you say a person in need of an elective tonsillectomy has the same immediate priority on your time as an emergent trauma victim. If I have a patient in the hospital who is stable and I need to make rounds on that day, I see my obligation in any given moment different from a patient in septic shock.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  52. There is a big difference between “making rounds” and a little kid who is waiting to have surgery, even a tonsillectomy.

    My first memory was of having a tonsillectomy at age 3. It was that traumatic.

    I’m kind of surprised you didn’t realize this.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  53. I guess I was thinking of rescheduling the tonsillectomy ahead of time, not letting the child be in pre-op.
    My tonsillectomy was done in the doctor’s office. When the mask for anesthesia was put over my face I balked at the smell. The doc said something to the effect, “Yes, I know it smells bad, take a deep breath and blow it away…” The visit started like any trip to the doctor. I’m guessing it didn’t make much difference to me whether it was done one day or another.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  54. i almost had to have my tonsils out cause they ruptured and i didn’t realize it and i kept swallowing the blood and started feeling more and more nauseous then i threw up and all this blood gouted everywhere it was like the exorcist

    my poor mom

    but yes yes it was a memorable day indeed

    somehow they got it under control and i kept them bad boys

    happyfeet (831175)

  55. I guess I’ve had too much experience (as a family member of a patient as well as a physician) with someone scheduled for the 2nd case of the day or getting bumped because of an emergency or whatever. I’ve never expected a scheduled surgery to necessarily start when it was “scheduled”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  56. If Sherman skips the game or leaves early Belichick and Brady will target whoever takes Sherman’s position. Should the Pats win on a late 4th qtr pass over Sherman’s replacement, both players and the coach will never hear the end of it. And the child will be forever known as the kid who cost the Seahawks the crown.

    Sherman should play, the odds are in his favor, and the downside is just too damn steep.

    ropelight (015535)

  57. My best pal used to feign a sore appendix every time he didn’t want to go to school. One time he pushed it too far and they rushed him to hospital. All the way there, he kept saying “I was faking it”, even on the table before they took it out. Ha!
    The boy who cried, “Appendicitis!”

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  58. If Sherman were an ordinary player, nobody could fault him for being at the birth. However, some say he is the best cornerback in the NFL. He was the difference in the NFC championship game last year, when Seattle beat San Francisco to make it to their first Super Bowl. Because an NFL team works all year towards the goal of winning a Super Bowl, his absence would not be excusable. Pete Carroll is just a pussy PC artist.

    norcal (b8f701)

  59. I thinks it up to them, I’m not arguing either way,

    but there is a potential downside for him not being there
    the baby is born blue with the umbilical cord around the neck, Apgars of 0 and 4 and in the neonatal ICU on a vent and with brain damage
    and “you were playing your F’ing football game instead of being here”

    There is a much bigger chance that Sherman’s replacement will get beat and they will lose the game
    there being a significant complication with the delivery
    but can you argue that losing the Super Bowl is of more significance?

    I don’t know how to set up the equations to solve for the perfect answer.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  60. dude you should write movies for lifetime

    happyfeet (831175)

  61. 60. happyfeet

    That is funny!

    norcal (b8f701)

  62. I once had a patient with advanced HIV in the hospital hanging on at the edge of death for a surprisingly long time,
    and at the same time I came into the office one morning to find out one of the office nurses who was near term with her first child developed preeclampsia, had a cerebral bleed, and died,
    leaving a widower with a newborn delivered by C-Section with an uncertain future.

    Yes, I often get in the car and go for a drive when I need to without thinking it may be the last time I get in a car.

    I’m just saying you can play the odds, but nothings guaranteed.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  63. Was the nurse in good health up to that point. Was she fit, etc.? How bizarre.

    norcal (b8f701)

  64. If Sherman’s girlfriend were smart, she’d say, “If you really to support me and your baby boy, go get that ring. You can spend plenty of time with him in the off-season.”

    Bird Dog (632801)

  65. Perfectly healthy.
    pre-eclampsia happens, cerebral bleeds happen
    yes, they’re rare
    and the odds are overwhelming, as I said before, that Sherman’s presence on the football field will be missed before there is a problem with the delivery,
    I’m just saying that there is a potential downside either way
    one way more of a chance, but a less sever consequence, all told,
    which is why I won’t tell them what to do
    they have to be willing to live with the consequences no matter what happens

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  66. your tax dollars at work

    Mindy Kaling’s Super Bowl Ad: Are Indian Women Invisible?

    In a commercial, the comedian pretends no one can see her. One Indian journalist says there’s more to the ad than selling insurance. Being visible comes with a risk of violence for women in India.


    that’s National Soros Radio’s super bowl angle today

    sweet beneficent mother of tripe

    happyfeet (831175)

  67. If they’re Hindu, only when their husband’s being cremated.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  68. “It’s all about family”. Very smart non answer by the coach. Football family or real family?

    KGG (9915dd)

  69. Greetings:

    What about leaving the game to marry his pregnant girl-friend (aka baby-mama) ???

    11B40 (844d04)

  70. he kept saying “I was faking it”, even on the table before they took it out. Ha!
    The boy who cried, “Appendicitis!”

    I admitted a kid with classical signs of appendicitis but, when we opened the incision, the appendix was normal. I explored further and found a ruptured spleen. He had been in a football game.

    In another case, I found a normal apply and looked and called my staff (I was still a resident) who said, “Well look around and quit.” I had a big intern who pulled up the incision and I ran the entire small bowel. About a foot from the origin, was a perforation of the small bowel. After we got the kid through recovery, he told us another kid had jumped on his belly earlier that day.

    Rudolph Valentino died of a perforated ulcer after a negative exploration for appendicitis. I actually saw a case of “Valentino appendicitis.” I found a normal appendix but there was bile around it. I forget the rest but I think it was another perforated ulcer.

    Just when you get to thinking you’ve seen it all, something bites you.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  71. Doc, that was what took Houdini as well after an unexpected blow to the stomach ruptured his appendix. If I recall correctly. From reports, I mean, I am not that old.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  72. Thank you, doctors, for preserving this comment thread from complete and utter [censored] [censored] [censored] [censored].

    nk (dbc370)

  73. From what, nk?

    Dana (8e74ce)

  74. Dana,

    Are you the same Dana who used to comment on Cathy Seipp’s blog? If so, hello!

    norcal (b8f701)

  75. misspell it out, nk!!!

    mg (31009b)

  76. Well, Dana, in place of accusing my friends, I’ll just post a comment a I did NOT make: You know, the NFL would have fewer issues like this if it had more gay players.

    nk (dbc370)

  77. Oh, it’s got them.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  78. you can’t spell homophobia without N F L

    happyfeet (831175)

  79. oh wait

    happyfeet (831175)

  80. Gazzer@57…your friend has good company.

    kishnevi (a5d1b9)

  81. Complete bull. He will play no matter what. If he cared that much about her she’d be his wife.

    Mark Johnson (614e1b)

  82. Thanks Kish, I shall let him know.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  83. This guy would never get any playing time…

    Henry was married once, at age 19, to a woman six years his senior; the marriage was later annulled. He is currently engaged. Henry has fathered at least eleven children by ten different women.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  84. @83 A girl in every stadium?

    kishnevi (3719b7)

  85. He gets about a bit. Must have a bike.

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  86. Now I know why they named a candy bar after him

    steveg (794291)

  87. I missed this part…

    fathered at least

    Gazzer (e441dc)

  88. What is who gives a flying FOCK for $1000 Alex?

    Gus (7cc192)

  89. at least because they don’t know everything – and even Travis Henry might not know about all of them.

    Sammy Finkelman (e806a6)

  90. It’s really not all that likely that a baby is born on its due date. Due dates simply aren’t that precise, only to within a couple of weeks.

    My son was born a couple weeks “early”, but that bun was done.

    Even so, labor can take a long time. My wife’s labor was four hours, which is a bit quicker than average, and it didn’t start until three hours after her water broke.

    As for being there when it happens; to save someone’s life I might miss it. YMMV.

    Gabriel Hanna (aa6d3d)

  91. When my daughter was born, the water broke exactly nine calendar months, to the hour, after the calculated time of conception. Totally unexpected — we had scheduled an induced delivery for two days later.

    nk (dbc370)

  92. I have nothing to say, but to express my certainty that the Patriots are definitely getting pumped up for this one…


    IGotBupkis, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  93. He should play the damn game! This is all PR.

    And if this were such a sacramental moment, why hasn’t he married the baby mama? I am kind of sick of this crap, to put it crudely.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  94. Maybe she’s got better sense than to marry Sherman. With national attention she’ll have the kid and be in-line for substantial financial support without having to put up with the jerk. She wins all around.

    ropelight (9682b2)

  95. Working on tomorrow’s headline;

    Double Digit Inflation Hits New England


    Seattle Couldn’t Deliver

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  96. The much better looking Dana wrote:

    Not one caller brought up that point.

    I wish I could say that I’m surprised, but I’m not, not in the slightest.

    The Dana whose kids were all conceived and born after he was married (1b79fa)

  97. steveg wrote:

    I bet Sherman just didn’t want to have to listen to Paul Allens band again, and throwing the game was out so…

    Apparently no one bothered to inform the Green Bay Packers of that.

    The Dana disappointed that the Packers lost (1b79fa)

  98. “If they’re Hindu, only when their husband’s being cremated.”

    Not any more:

    “Be it so. This burning of widows is your custom; prepare the funeral pile. But my nation has also a custom. When men burn women alive we hang them, and confiscate all their property. My carpenters shall therefore erect gibbets on which to hang all concerned when the widow is consumed. Let us all act according to national customs.”

    General Sir Charles James Napier

    mark (f9c745)

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