A Surprising Critic of Presidential Vacations
The Obamas have a nice vacation ahead — their third of the year:
White House spokesman Josh Earnest defended President Obama’s weekend vacation in Key Largo, despite the ongoing crisis in Ukraine, arguing Obama would be able to monitor events from Florida.
“What the president will be doing this weekend in Florida is essentially what the president would be doing back at the White House. It’s just that the weather will be a little warmer,” Earnest told reporters aboard Air Force One.
“The president is looking forward to spending some time with his wife and daughters, who are traveling down to Florida as well,” he continued. “There are some recreational amenities on the property, including workout facilities, tennis courts, a couple of golf courses.
“If there is an opportunity for the president to enjoy some of those amenities, then he’ll do that. What he will do, and what he is looking forward to doing, is getting a little downtime in the warm weather with his wife and daughters.”
Earlier this week, there was speculation the president could scrap the trip — his third vacation of the year — because of the crisis. But Earnest downplayed the suggestion, saying deputy national security adviser Tony Blinken is traveling to Florida with Obama, along with the “regular assortment of communication tools” allowing the president to attend secure briefings.
Hey, at least he’s being frugal about it. The rooms are only $2500 per night.
There is at least one critic of the idea that a president should be taking a lot of vacations: this guy.
Essentially the bargain that any president, I think, strikes with the American people is: “you give me this office and in turn my fears, doubts, insecurities, foibles, need for sleep, family life, vacations, leisure is gone. I am giving myself to you.” And the American people should have no patience for whatever is going through your head because you’ve got a job to do.
What a churlish person. Who is it? Read on:
And so how I think about it is that you don’t make that decision unless you are prepared to make that sacrifice, that trade off, that bargain and I think that what’s difficult and important for somebody like myself who has a wonderful forbearing wife and two gorgeous young children is that they end up having to make some of those sacrifices with you,” he continued. “And that is a profound decision that you don’t make lightly.
You guessed it, right?
That’s Barack Obama from 2006.
Look at it this way: it’s hardly the first “bargain” he’s made with the American people that he has reneged on. If it makes you feel any better . . .
. . . and I’m guessing it doesn’t.
Patterico (9c670f) — 3/8/2014 @ 11:19 amWell Carney, also coined this tactic, back when he was at Time.
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 11:24 amscary how he reflects almost perfectly the whorish cowardly self-indulgent nature of the american people
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 11:56 amwtf about bengazzara? monitor my ass…who t f voted for this guy?
pdbuttons (f79f91) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:04 pmPretty sure he ragged on Bush’s golfing, too.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:09 pmIt’s not fair to say that he’s taking the vacation. He may just be borrowing it, temporarily, by accident, to keep it safe, until its rightful owner shows up to claim it. Those pants the vacation is in, are not even his. They were lying on the floor in some guy’s house when he woke up and he just happened to put them on thinking they were his. If you do see him in Florida it won’t be because he was taking a vacation, he was there to buy some fresh grouper.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:12 pmour SCOAMF wouldn’t recognize sacrifice if he was beaten around the head and shoulders with it.
his entire worthless existence has been one of lazy self-indulgence and indolence, and he’ll never willingly change.
hell, he could wind up in prison, where he so richly belongs, and still expect others to cater to him, just because he’s JEFH.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:15 pmit’s all part of the jedi mindtricks, they’ve been pulling since 2001,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:16 pmI’m growing more and more concerned that TFG seems to need all these vacations. It would be different if he was also doing “teh People’s Work”.
Colonel Haiku (2603b5) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:23 pm— I’ve been working like a dog since I woke up at 3:37 this morning.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:35 pm— But nk, you fell asleep again and woke up at 7:00; talked on the phone; surfed the internet; drank coffee and smoked cigarettes; brushed your teeth and showered; and cleaned out the lime buildup in the shower head.
— That’s what I said.
Thank God Obama is conducting “telephone outreach” from his hotel! Not to worry.
Colonel Haiku (2603b5) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:36 pmUp is down; black is white; water is dry; in Doublespeak.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:37 pmThat sounds exhausting, nk… You should slow down, smell teh roses…
Colonel Haiku (2603b5) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:37 pmI’m growing more and more concerned that TFG seems to need all these vacations. It would be different if he was also doing “teh People’s Work”.
Consider it a positive that when he vacations his ability to do the “People’s Work” is less apt to occur. Thus far, I have not been impressed with the “People’s Work” he has done.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:47 pmI guess this isn’t a vacation.
It’s “work” “created or saved.”
Just like the “jobs created or saved scam”…and like we are seeing right now with folks signing up for the ACA.
Sure, I wish that the press held this administration to the same standards they had when Team R was in the White House. But that isn’t going to happen, sadly.
What I don’t understand is why someone isn’t running commercials compared what this gentleman said during or before campaigns, to what he does after elections.
And it should be nonpartisan: “Voters, make sure you hold politicians accountable for their statements and promises, no matter what letter comes after their names. The word of a politician should matter to every single voter. To borrow a phrase: the outcome of every campaign promise should count. Pay attention and keep track, voters. Because the politicians are laughing at you. And no one likes to be laughed at. Do you?”
Maybe folks like Rand Paul, who want to chart a different course, should keep this in mind.
Simon Jester (c8876d) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:51 pmWith him, “Teh People’s Work” has a much more Marxist taint than ever before in our nation’s history.
Colonel Haiku (2603b5) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:52 pmSimon Jester,
Excellent idea. However, one thing the R’s consistently do is miss golden opportunities. I was reading last night where a suggestion was made that as soon as the IRS scandal unfolded, the R’s should’ve jumped into that perfect set-up to campaign for a flat tax or a simplifying of the tax code. Yes, of course something like that would not happen over night but rather years down the line, however, that is how the move starts and momentum builds.
Taking advantage of opportunities handed to the right by the left should be a given. Unfortunately, they’re not. We seem, so often, to be asleep at the wheel.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:58 pmWhen Obama said that remember that president Bush was not hampered by a divided congress with only one house of congress in the hands of the opposing party, the job was much easier because there were budgets instead of a constant stream of allocations, the government had much less spending for Bush to keep track of, and the DOJ (and IRS and HS and CIA and so on) just turned documents over when requested by congress of FOIA instead of fighting tooth and nail to protect the sanctity of unaccountable government. Obama’s presidency is much more demanding than the one Bush had, and when Obama puts down his phone and pen it is for much needed respite from his onerous duties in traditional vacation areas, opposed to Bush who took unnecessary vacations at his personal luxury resort in Crawford.
max (131bc0) — 3/8/2014 @ 1:02 pmBarack Obama’s veracity has a shelf-life of a nano-second, or past-his-lips; whichever comes first.
askeptic (2bb434) — 3/8/2014 @ 1:08 pmComment by Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 12:58 pm
They would do that if they were more concerned with the direction that government is headed than with the TEA Party.
askeptic (2bb434) — 3/8/2014 @ 1:12 pmThere are priorities, after all.
Comment by max (131bc0) — 3/8/2014 @ 1:02 pm
We’ll said!
Colonel Haiku (2603b5) — 3/8/2014 @ 1:15 pmObama is a pathological liar. Anything he says can be reliably determined to be the opposite.
Tom (bea0bc) — 3/8/2014 @ 2:54 pmWhat is the carbon footprint of AF1 and two dozen plus support craft to travel round trip to Florida?
PerfectSense (4d5c72) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:10 pmIt turns out that Barack Obama will say anything at any time based on political considerations.
He is truly a vile individual.
Jack (a1d158) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:23 pmWhat are we supposed to do? Vote for a weak kneed candidate from team r such as mittens. lmao at this banana republic.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:35 pmIt is nothing new. It’s the Adam Clayton Powell playbook. His constituents loved it.
By the mid-1960s, Powell was increasingly being criticized for mismanaging his committee’s budget, taking trips abroad at public expense, and missing sittings of his committee. He responded,
“I wish to state very emphatically,” he said once when under attack for personal conduct (he had taken two young women at government expense with him on overseas travel) by Congress and the press, “that I will always do just what every other Congressman and committee chairman has done and is doing and will do.”[12]
Opponents led criticism in his District, where his refusal to pay a 1963 slander judgment made him subject to arrest. He spent increasing amounts of time in Florida.
He was also adept at defending himself.
In 1960, Powell, hearing of planned civil rights marches at the Democratic Convention, which could embarrass the party or candidate, threatened to accuse Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. of having a homosexual relationship with Bayard Rustin unless the marches were cancelled. Bayard was one of King’s political advisers and an openly gay man. King agreed to cancel the planned events and Rustin resigned from the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.[14]
He was the model of the modern black politician.
MikeK (cd7278) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:43 pmmg,
Why, yes, if that’s the choice.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:52 pmBlasphemer!!!
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 3:58 pmmartin and bayard sittin in a tree
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:00 pmThose pants the vacation is in, are not even his. They were lying on the floor in some guy’s house when he woke up and he just happened to put them on thinking they were his.
Not sure if you meant that as an allusion to his reported homo- or bisexuality, but what’s disturbing is that in Obama’s case, such mockery can inadvertently hit very, very close to the truth, to an actual, real-life situation. In a similar vein, max’s post at 1:02 pm might easily be treated by the left as a non-sarcastic, valid excuse for Obama, where they’ll nod in agreement and say “yea, so, everyone, please lay off the guy. He deserves his rest and vacation time!”
Mark (2908bc) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:02 pm27-Dana – I forced myself to vote for mitty. My gut still aches.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:11 pmMissed golden opportunities are a daily happening for team r.
If they want to win these elections, team r should rap themselves up in the 2nd amendment. It’s the one thing the republicans can agree on.
28. Like smoking dope, voting Republican, is a victimless crime.
You live your life saving money in your IRA whose maintenance fees eat any earnings under ZIRP. The next step will be to force much or all of that $5 Trillion be mandated invested in risk-less US Treasuries.
The IRS will be cowed with more regulations and end its use as a political tool of coercion.
The hidden fees, counter productive taxes and useless coverages enforced in 404Care will be incrementally discovered and repealed.
All by virtue of Congress’ willingness to put aside their factionalism and get things done in bipartisan pragmatism.
So be an adult in the room and vote for another spoon of arsenic in your coffee. It’s just a few minutes every 2 years and it will not hurt a bit.
gary gulrud (ef5550) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:12 pmNo, Mark. All three are allusions to lies commonly told by lowlife criminals, that have become cliches. The pants one is when they’re caught with contraband in their pocket, such as drugs. They didn’t even know it was there … because … because those aren’t their pants.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:18 pmVote Odin!
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:19 pm32. e.e. Cummings
Its always us mg, that have to keep behaving as we have.
All so others can stumble blindly on their appointed rendezvous with the Reaper.
gary gulrud (ef5550) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:21 pmhttp://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/sarah-palin-president-obama-vladimir-putin-104218.html
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:31 pmThe Republicans have no path to success.
Tho I have an uncertain memory, I only know of one reliable conservative Congressman from CA, McClintock.
I’ve an idea NJ has one, but I can’t name him. IL, NY, CT, MA I’m disposed to doubt.
Republicans from these states are not allies, are not support, add no value. If we are to right Amerikkka we need to give up the idea that a process of selection for candidate to POTUS include the chaff.
gary gulrud (ef5550) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:34 pmmg,
A lot of us did, mg. I believe he would have been far better for the country than our current president because I don’t think he would have done the long-term damage that this president has. I also don’t believe his intent was to transform America into a quasi-socialistic state. I still believe his goals would not have inflicted hurt on the middle class. Mostly because he has a solid grasp on economics and business.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:42 pmBeing raised in farmland [foc], I never imagined being taken down by the govt. swinging a scythe.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:42 pmI was blind, I’m no ones lamb anymore.
I’m pretty sure Janet Yellen, Jamie Dimon and Bill Gross have what anyone can point to as “a solid grasp on economics and business”.
I think we may need to be more specific in our search.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:48 pmYes, Gary, but it was Mitt we were talking about. I was actually comparing his economic acumen versus that of our president. Perhaps who had a better grasp of reality is more apt.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 4:53 pmNot my idea, Cruz’s, but top priority has to be a Flat or similar Tax and the dismantling of the IRS.
404Care is not fixable. The Department of Education is merely a Federal thug. The DHS needs repeal, we were better off without. The EPA should merely gather information and be stripped of its regulatory function. The Postal Service needs to immediately layoff 200,000. The SEC needs to replace 90% of its lawyers with accountants at reduced pay. The Federal government must surrender its Western state landholdings outside National Parks and Monuments in existence before 1970, the Ethanol mandate must be rescinded, etc.
This is a minimal platform of the sort that must be committed to by someone worthy of my vote.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:05 pm… and we’re back to square one,
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:16 pm42. Not exactly, you and mg were parrying over the selection of a candidate such that the both of you can support the endorsed candidate.
We have been over this many times. Republicans are not satisfied that their primary process is perfect but they are committed to it in its present form.
From our point of view it is hopelessly flawed. And, moreover, we have been spinning our wheels, the Republicans and its base, since 1992 without a shred of resolution.
Saying, as you do, “That’s the way it is”, has run to the end of its persuasive efficacy.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:17 pm44. We never left square one.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:18 pmI’m proposing, half-tongue in cheek, that CA, for example, be eliminated from the primary process, which renders the selection process not a national one per force.
CA Republicans are interested, as humans are wont, in the sort of candidate that is attractive to them, whatever that might be.
Unfortunately, while the exercise an inordinate weight in the selection, they are no help whatever in the general election. And their input poisons the well among states that can usefully contribute.
You aren’t just unnecessary, you are not just a liability, you are Diptheria Mary.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:25 pm38- Dana-
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:30 pmAgreed.
The gutless manner in which his progressive handlers allowed the media to control the election has soured me on team r. They need to show some American kick ass attitude and cover some of the basics which gary has stated in comment 42.
gg – perhaps we should return to trial by fire in selecting candidates.
askeptic (2bb434) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:32 pmAt least those who are found wanting won’t be around to bedevil us in the future.
If the Republicans cannot on their own see the writing on the wall and deliberately choose a TEA candidate to run under their banner, then its the end of their competitiveness in National elections.
And very frankly, we’ve been given no reason whatever, to expect such an happy outcome.
Its time to pull the plug and replace the opposition Party. Winning will have to wait until the collapse of US government financing of the Democraps client classes. But one of the early refugees will be the working classes.
The Republicans will be the very last place those folk will look to for leadership. They will find friends and open arms among TEAs.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:36 pm49. Absolutely, contribute good ideas, this is a brainstorming session.
April 15th approaches and at that point some bad news will be met in DC.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:44 pmLike the Quarter Quell, could get messy though,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:48 pm52. Definitely messy. 404Care and the IRS guarantee it.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:53 pmMy Rheumatologist retired, my daughter’s pediatrician, all of 46, is talking retirement.
The good news is we won’t be among the 60-90 million losing their plan around November.
All I can say is I really do feel your pain, just not as badly.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 5:57 pmIts not like TEAs would be hard to please. Jindahl has fight, Walker a spine, Ben Carson is a uniter.
Its just that the Republican rank and file is interested in a return to yesterday, and are in the rut of 1st stage denial.
It really is over, and apart from Abe, Teddy and Ronnie a pretty sh^tty run at that.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:11 pmJust finished watching “12 Years a Slave”… a great movie.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:13 pm56. I’m watching MN state HS hockey championships. A rare pleasure.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:18 pmI’ll probably go see 300 RoE, tomorrow, because you know Eva Green, Colonel, any thoughts,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:19 pmGotta say I don’t know Eva Green, narciso, I’ll have to do a little research. Other movies I thought were tops were Dallas Buyers Club and American Hustle… excellent acting.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:29 pmShe was in Casino Royale, I’ll get around to AH eventually,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:31 pmHmmm, she looks beautiful and it says she’s cornered teh market on foxy femme fatales… what’s not to like!
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:33 pm@ gary gurlund,You aren’t just unnecessary, you are not just a liability, you are Diptheria Mary.You do realize, gary, that a number of us here are Californians, right? And, a large number of Californians are not pleased with the left leaning politics of our state and keep fighting for a more centrist rule, as well. It’s a tough place to make inroads, but I am seeing at the local levels that very change is occurring, which makes me optimistic. The change will be slow and long-fought for, but perhaps makes it all the more worthwhile and rewarding.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:35 pmA dame to
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:35 pmkillinvade Persia for.Eva Green vs.Naughty Nina? Hmmmm…
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:36 pmOkay, I’ll stop now.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:37 pmHaiku, a lady like Nina still has a lot to offer a man. Warmth in the winter, shade in the summer ….
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:39 pmPoint taken, nk… just hands off her Mars Bars.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:42 pmYou mean Lena don’t you, I’m afraid to ask,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:44 pmsince we need a sudden thread drift, allow me to deposit some schadenfreude for your Caturday night pleasure
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/03/chickens-come-home-to-roost-rev-jeremiah-wrights-daughter-convicted-on-11-counts-of-fraud/
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:51 pmShe was in Casino Royale,…
Comment by narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 6:31 pm
From the rest of the comments, I take it you are not referring to the original.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:05 pmYou’re correct, she was also in Kingdom of Heaven, but who saw that.
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:10 pmIt’s Nina, narciso. http://imgur.com/rvBm5Vn
I’m very, very sorry.
nk (dbc370) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:11 pm62. It had not escaped my notice.
I am sorry, we have no more pocket change, and certainly no water. You’re condition is indeed pitable but we are all tapped out.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:16 pmBtw, they are making a series out of Fargo,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:17 pm69. She was in his home for 20 year’s but never paid attention to those proscriptions against stealing.
If only the Down-Low initiative had not taken all of his time and attention.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:19 pmmg, gg, dustin– Dr. Ben Carson has a message for you:
http://www.businessinsider.com/ben-carson-cpac-speech-2014-3
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:21 pmMn. State High School Hockey tourney is the best High School tourney going.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:26 pmAin’t nobody got time for that, Elissa!
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:26 pm76. Yeah, Daniel Hannan, whose link I botched, gave a very similar exhortation in 2012.
What’s good for the gander is good for the goose, ‘lissa dear. You first.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:27 pmI have absolutely no idea what that comment @78 means gg or what message you are trying to convey.
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:29 pmTo cutt one’s nose off to spite one’s face, or not, is the question. If conservatives cannot coalesce behind a candidate, we’re going to lose another election. If we cannot agree that we all lose if we go over the falls, then what chance have we got?
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:31 pm77. You tell it brother. This year a couple walkovers but better hockey than most college games.
I remember freshman year of college watching International Falls versus Roseau as my first exposure.
Edina was in that tourney too, and won big tonight.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:31 pmeh, cut, not cutt...
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:32 pmWorks both ways, elissa.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:32 pmxbox and internet porn are passably good for the gander but
they’re not particularly salubrious for the goose
more research is needed
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:34 pmWhat works both ways mg? I thought Dr CArson was on your favored list. I’d most certainly vote for him were he to become the nominee.
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:38 pm80, 81. Its plain as that nose holding its own on your faces.
Hope has had its day. We TEAs are now results oriented. Candidates entering primaries with a GOP endorsement are anathema–with the possible exception of a TX or UT or SC.
If there is a doubt in your mind that a candidate that they might not run strong in the Heartland then vote for someone else or stay home.
You are cutting off your nose to spite your face choosing otherwise.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:41 pm85. Now is that helpful?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:43 pmDr. Carson lol
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:44 pm@ gary gulrud,
I understand this, gary, but there us a possibility that the candidate who takes the primaries may well be one with GOP endorsement – then what do you do? Sit out an election to prove a point?
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:47 pmGlad to hear you would vote for him, elissa. I wish I could say I would do the same for jebby, chrissy or whatever piece of trash the media picks for team r.
mg (31009b) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:49 pm#79…It’s the long winters up there, elissa…
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:49 pmSo Dr. Carson is not on your favored list? Is that what you are saying? That you would not vote for him if he came out of the nominating primaries and was the nominee running against say Hillary!?
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:51 pmDr. Carson… you are a wise man.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:51 pm90. No, you may do as you wish. I know I’ll be voting fourth party.
MN you see, has the DFL, GOP and Independence parties all crowding the left margin so its the only option.
You lose and I lose. That is the way it is.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:53 pm==Glad to hear you would vote for him, elissa. I wish I could say I would do the same for jebby, chrissy or whatever piece of trash the media picks for team r.Comment by mg ==
I see. So you were being purposefully untruthful upthread when you wrote “it works both ways.”
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:57 pmAnd yes indeed the first stage is disbelief, the second anger, the third bargaining, etc.
At the rate you people learn acceptance should come,…
Well I don’t think me and mg will see that day, but already you are nominally a measly quarter of the electorate.
Not waiting on the asteroid.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:57 pm96. We’ve paid our dues, you owe us.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:58 pmIt’s like DRJ says… it’s their choice to vote or not vote. Elections have consequences. I know that the people who would normally vote for a center to right presidential candidate and chose to sit the last one out helped to re-elect Obama, which I believe is both a bad consequence and a terrible choice to make. But I guess they made their point.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 7:59 pmgary gulrud,
Would you mind responding with names? Your numbering is off and it’s getting confusing.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:01 pmDana, my numbering is fine, but as you wish.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:03 pmI think he responds to his own posts. Or something.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:03 pmLike in his post 97 he’s responding to his post 96
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:04 pmTake the 112th Congress. You did not build that.
The TEA revolt did. And in return we get a war on our priorities.
Elections have consequences unless you don’t want more of the same.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:07 pm102, 103. La, la, la I can’t hear you Colonel.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:08 pmbuildeth it, you did not
and now the season of repentance dawns
you should probably go get something nice to wear from marshall’s
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:09 pmI’m getting bugged talkin’ ’bout teh same old stuff
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:10 pmI’m gonna find a new place where I don’t get no guff
I get around.. round round get around I get around
Dr. Carson is a nobody with a public appearance agent
not unlike david sedaris and susan powter
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:11 pmstop.
the.
insanitah.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:12 pmActually he’s a very accomplished surgeon, pikachu;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/malaysia/10685413/Malaysia-Airlines-crash-terror-fears-over-stolen-passports-used-on-missing-plane-MH370.html
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:14 pmI know that the people who would normally vote for a center to right presidential candidate and chose to sit the last one out helped to re-elect Obama
There is scant evidence of this.
JD (25d342) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:14 pmHe’s my little Duece g you doan know what I gotq
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:14 pmFew would argue that the energy of the nascent Tea Party activists fueled excitement and energized and helped coalesce the whole party toward the 112th congress win. But the 112th was elected by Teas and Teas alone, Gary? There were no voters or contributors or volunteers other than Teas, Gary? That’s what it appears you are saying and that is obviously total BS.
elissa (e7d53c) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:16 pmMore likely the folks looking for the crease in Mitten’s slacks, who bought the ‘binders full of women’
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:16 pmPeople who would normally vote as described and did not vote actually helped the Republican candidate? I’ll have to ponder that one for a while… doesn’t sound plausible.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:17 pmit was the strongest faction, which was hobbled by the IRS, and in Engelbrecht’s case, OSHA, EPa et al,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:19 pmPower corrupts. Getting jobbed by a candidate who says things you want to hear, like “Build the damn fence”, happens.
But when Republicans just ignore the Indie who’s warning you ahead of time, “Don’t do it, don’t nominate that ________”, it prolly isn’t a great move.
Coming along after the fact, saying, “Well you voted for him too” and “He won the primaries” doesn’t quite cover over the fail.
Blaming the voter for your repeated face plants is so old we don’t give a sh^t what you say anymore.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:19 pm111. Something like 47% of the electorate did not vote.
And they know which ones ‘owed’ them victory.
Oh really?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:22 pmTurn all that hostility and anger into a positive force for change, gg. You can do it!
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:23 pmG’nite, all! Sleep tight.
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:24 pmwell since nothing else is happening;
@FoxNews: BREAKING: Moscow mulls freeze on US military inspections under arms control pact Russian news report
narciso (3fec35) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:26 pm112. ROTFL. Stop it, you’re killing me.
113. Artistic liberty, ‘lissa.
There, don’t say I never support your point.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:28 pmAnother win! Thanks all who helped re-elect this bum of a president… U.S.: No Need for PA to Recognize Israel
Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:29 pmState Department spokeswoman says the U.S. believes there is no need for the PA to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
Honestly, what is so abstruse about the idea that the toxic husk of the GOP is the recalcitrant vehicle one must browbeat and bludgeon into submission?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:42 pmThis must be 300 I’m watching on TNT right here.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:43 pmfeat. Miranda Lambert
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:57 pmGentlemen, I saw more of Eva Green in 300 ROE than I deserved. IYKWIMAITYD!
felipe (6100bc) — 3/8/2014 @ 9:02 pmMoscow mulls freeze on US military inspections under arms control pact Russian news report
What makes them think they’ll survive a second Cold War? Last time we left them with food and heat; no reason to expect they’ll get that kind of break next time. Not every president is Obama.
Kevin M (dbcba4) — 3/8/2014 @ 9:23 pmHappy is right that medicine is not politics.
It’s too bad normal people are no longer considered capable of being able to represent, you know, normal people.
Ag80 (eb6ffa) — 3/8/2014 @ 9:39 pmIndeed it is up to the RINOs, esp the bitter partisan RINOs, to go ahead and back a candidate the conservatives will love. That’s the compromise they have to make if they want to win.
Too many conservatives just won’t bother with another progressive nominee. Complaining about this reality is fine, but it’s not going to change. We need to accept it and nominate an awesome candidate instead of another Diet Obama. I don’t disagree with you that Diet Obama is less bad than Obama Classic. I voted for Romney because I accepted that grim truth. But another grim truth is that a GOP that counts on my vote will refuse to be the solution that this country needs as soon as possible. Long term, there is no reasonable way to fix this unless a real alternative to deficit spending and intrusive government can be created. Right now one doesn’t really exist, in my opinion. I consider those who actually thought Romney an ideal candidate to be the political opponents of conservatives, and their claims to the contrary to be nothing more than lies.
Hell yes.
Dustin (f5d273) — 3/8/2014 @ 10:03 pm130. Amen.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/8/2014 @ 10:11 pmAs CPAC ends, rival Republican factions remain adamant in opposition, according to the WaPo. The divisions were acknowledged and no one seemed to have an answer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/as-cpac-ends-republican-factions-remain-adamant-in-disagreements/2014/03/08/fc6b1ff2-a708-11e3-bf3d-63f593e487a9_story.html?hpid=z4
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/8/2014 @ 10:33 pmsmirk… someone on his staff *hates* him.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-03-08/nobel-peace-prize-winning-caption-contest
either that or they’re all dumber than i think, and that’s FING dumb.
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/8/2014 @ 11:58 pmit’s not a civil war per se: conservatives have been given a clear choice.
We can either be conservative, or support amnesty for illegal aliens, entitlements for damn near everybody, plus a smart phone but no national defense, not to mention a foreign policy that’s designed to weaken our country AND its interests, and internal policies that attack the basic freedoms this country was founded to enshrine & protect, just to hit some of the high points.
DAMN: what an irresistible offer… where do i sign up?
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:18 amand yes, there are certain issues which, no matter how awesome you are, you will lose a large portion of the base on.
http://twitchy.com/2014/03/08/deal-killer-heres-why-dana-loesch-cant-support-a-ben-carson-campaign/
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:35 amit’s been a long strange trip;
http://www.americanthinker.com/2014/03/well_ill_cry_tomorrow_medea_debo_get_no_rspect.html
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:50 am133. Yeah, sometimes I say stuff I don’t know anything about.
I’m weak that way.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/8/cpac-2014-straw-poll-results/
Drudge is weak too, why report this top left in main body? 75 votes?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:09 am132. There persists a high-level of cognitive dissonance within the Republican party ranks.
If one continues to heap praise on one’s child for bring home report cards with nought but Bs and Cs and the occasional F,
why indeed should you hope for better?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:19 amIt’s never been clearer where the GOP stands…
“I think we are going to crush them everywhere,” Mr. McConnell, the Senate Republican leader, said in an interview, referring to the network of activist organizations working against him and two Republican incumbents in Kansas and Mississippi while engaging in a handful of other contests. “I don’t think they are going to have a single nominee anywhere in the country.”
The escalating tension between party leaders and Tea Party-aligned activists in groups like the Senate Conservatives Fund, the Madison Project and FreedomWorks arises from the activists’ view that some top elected Republicans are major obstacles to enacting conservative policies and need to be replaced.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/us/politics/leading-republicans-move-to-stamp-out-challenges-from-right.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:59 am136. Caroline Glick, Melanie Philips, Clarice Feldman, the bestest.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:03 amDana,
That is proof that GOP leaders like McConnell know how to fight, and fight hard, when they want to. That they will only fight hard against Tea Party conservatives — instead of liberals in the White House — proves all they care about is their own re-election. How sad and shameful for the GOP.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:17 amGreat find, and thanks for linking it.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:18 am“I think we are going to crush them everywhere,” Mr. McConnell, the Senate Republican leader,
A recent poll indicates McConnell is trailing the Democrat candidate for the US Senate race in Kentucky. Assuming that state isn’t becoming a purple one (shudder) or, God forbid, blue, but remains still nicely red, I’m not totally sure how to read that.
As much as I find McConnell to be a joke (even more so in light of his disdain for the Tea Party or staunch conservatism), I like to think it’s a wake-up call to him that his squishy ideology and ruling-elite tactics are a growing turn off to many of his constituents. Unfortunately, he may instead see such surveys as a sign that he has to become squishier and tilt even further to the left.
Mark (2908bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:22 amIf Barrack Hussein Obama, the first African American President of the United States of America, needs a vacation, how dare you question his need.
You do know he is the first African American President of the United States, right?
It is not like he is some shiftless, lazy, slow witted cracker.
highpockets (3534c2) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:30 am“what he is looking forward to doing, is getting a little downtime”
My question is, “When is he ever going to get a little “uptime?”
Hangtown Bob (a9a260) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:37 amI don’t usually respond to comments like 143, but I am compelled to ask the commenter, how does your comment contribute value to the discussion? How does it enrich, challenge, or expand the thread? And mostly, why do you feel the need to post something like this?
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:56 amDRJ, what is also sad about it, is that it reinforces the old white guy meme, stuck in the mud, stuck in history, stuck in old guard money.
Worst of all, they have no confidence in fiscal conservatism and don’t understand how everyone benefits from it. They are afraid of losing a few squishes or whoever, instead of enthusiastically showing voters how fiscal conservatism can bring freedom as well as increased personal wealth. The lack of confidence in this basic tenet is a no-win.
The longer you try to balance on the wire, the greater the risk of falling off.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:01 amteam r should ask Americans if they like their guns, and if they would like to keep them?
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:02 amAutomatic Victory in 2014.
Dana, I have been thinking what you wrote for a very long time. Folks got irritable about it when I expressed it. Fair enough; it’s not my blog, nor my cocktail party. . But I agree with you. This kind of thing works against the goals we supposedly share in common.
Simon Jester (3c9dc1) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:03 am147. Agree completely, especially the sentiment.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:04 amHere ya go. Sarah Palin for president, as the Russians respect the Huntress/Mama Bear, and Ben Carson for VP, as he can focus on domestic issues, like rebuilding the health system.
Making the Pres+VP actually a team of competent individuals, like the Bush/Cheney ticket.
That way everyone against the ticket is racist and sexist, unless you are on the left, in which case they scream Uncle Tom and not our kind of female.
It won’t be boring.
And easy to establish a security zone in Alaska.
I could respect the likes of McConnell if he simply disagreed with some of the tactics and emphases of the Tea Party, but I can’t if he says the things quoted above…
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:05 ambut then again, the link is to the NYT.
Everyone who thinks the NYT is above being dishonest in order to weaken the Repubs raise your hands.
I don’t see a single hand raised. I agree.
Absolutely, Dana, and I love your high wire metaphor. Mind if I borrow it now and then?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:08 amI think making the 2nd. Amendment the main issue is a huge advantage. It also reminds the rest of the world that more than just tea-baggers could be carrying the next time they visit.
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:09 amYes, it’s a little too obvious, this concern on the Times part, so it’s an interesting jedi mindtrick, Clinton or Obama, can grift off any retainer on the East or West Coast, indulge their various fixation,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:10 amRepublicans are barely tolerated like swamp weasels,
“…people don’t question where I stand on principles. But I don’t spend a lot of time trying to drag people down… I realize the party has to get bigger, not smaller…. the party’s gotta get bigger or we won’t win again.”
– Rand Paul, today on FNS
Colonel Haiku (70ed68) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:21 amThat was Rand Paul when asked how to differentiate his style from Ted Cruz’s
Colonel Haiku (70ed68) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:23 am145 I find racism to be the most evil form of thought. I live in society today which embraces racism, which celebrates it, which empowers some based on race while excluding others.
What in my comment was a lie? Is not Barrack Hussein Obama not the first African American President?
Do you not find it odd that I can use a racist and vile word such as cracker but I may not use another word which begins with an “n”?
My comment was meant to make you think. Which thought did you have? That Obama is not the First African American President of the United States of America?
highpockets (3534c2) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:26 amYes, about that;
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/200292-king-pauls-scare-tactics-appeal-to-the-lowest-common
who’s calling who, wacko birds again,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:29 am156. I like them both, but neither would be my first choice in a President. Cruz would be a first choice for Chief Justice.
Due to events, we will be casting about for Churchillian qualities in 2016.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:31 amDoes Peter King have a following, any traction outside of NY?
Colonel Haiku (70ed68) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:33 am158. We keep hearing about desperately ill paleo Pat Buchanan, but it’s Peter King(R-NY) with the open mike.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:35 am160. Do The Hill and Fox News count?
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 11:37 amTeh liberal”men”
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:09 pmthe low spark of low-T boys
bunch of Nancy-boys
may detest your take
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:13 pmbut I’ll defend to death right
to shoot you in ass
still miss her sweet kiss?
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:20 pmdo you look like Fred Flintstone?
try a Burma Shave
don’t make me go all Naughty Nina on yo ass!
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:22 pmThree vacays so far? Talk about lame ducking it.
Kenneth Simmons (a10c17) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:23 pmKenneth,
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:36 pmI think Michelle bought him a membership in the “Vaca of the Month Club”.
I think she’d want to be the only “vaca” in his life, MD. http://www.spanishcentral.com/translate/vaca
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:43 pmso where are the strong?
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:51 pmtell me who are the trusted?
in this wicked world
I’m little lost lamb
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 12:58 pmin teh heart of teh city
alligator roam
Colonel Haiku,
It’s interesting to see the dynamic between Cruz and Rand Paul as they position themselves for 2016. Cruz is betting that being the DC outsider is the best way to appeal to primary voters, and that Paul’s libertarianism will bite him on foreign policy. Paul is betting on not alienating the Beltway insiders, while retaining his father’s young/libertarian supporters by embracing Ron’s isolationist foreign policy. I don’t know which one has the better strategy but I know which one has the positions that suit my views.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:01 pmyou know bird in hand
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:02 pmis now worth two on teh street
Stop! Look! Double back
I like ’em both, but I like the inclusive guy the best.
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:04 pmit never was hit
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:05 pmand someone in newspaper
said that it was sh*t
Note: I think both Cruz and Paul believe in their policies and positions. For instance, I think Rand is really an isolationist and Cruz is really a hawk. Thus, I doubt either is adopting views just to win support or votes, but they are highlighting their differences to win support.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:07 pmfront door’s open wide
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:08 pmwonder who is on my side
lately let things slide
Colonel,
You probably think this is me being pro-Cruz, as usual, but I don’t think it is because I really like Rand Paul. He’s stellar on liberty-related issues.
Every candidate will focus on inclusiveness in the general election. The question is what policies they will be squishy on when it comes time to govern. Rand won’t be squishy on domestic policies or liberty, and generally neither will Cruz. But Rand may very well be squishy on foreign policy and defense. That should bother everyone, especially after 8 years of what Obama is doing to our foreign relations and military.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:12 pmwhen there’s nothin’ new
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:12 pmI love sound of breaking glass
deep into teh night
‘I’ve had more reservations about Rand on that basis, as he still follows his father’s path to an unconfortable degree.
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:18 pmI dunno, if we’re serious about financial straits, a little more
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:18 pmcircumcisioncircumspection on involvement may be a good thing.The plus for Rand Paul is that the country is still war-weary from 8 years of Bush, so isolationism suits the national mood. That benefits Paul far more than Cruz, and could very well help him win the nomination. I just don’t think we can afford 8 more years of not caring what happens in the rest of the world.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:18 pmColonel,
It’s exactly that sentiment — that we need to focus on our own problems and not worry about the rest of the world — that Paul is counting on. Like his father, I think they both believe that because it’s what they think is in the best interests of America.
But that’s also Obama’s view and he’s spent 8 years making sure America will have to turn inward instead of outward. It worries me when Republican policies coincide with Democratic goals, especially Obama’s.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:21 pmPaul Sr. was all to willing to believe the worst about American foreign policy, that instance on the Morton Downey jr show where he believed the crazy Christics, was emblematic,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:23 pmyou say yer my friend
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:25 pmbut now I’m at my wit’s end
shake hands say “howdy”
I’m ready to go
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:30 pmI just can’t take anymore
it comes upon me
So you make me think
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:31 pmYou’re here for real discussions
But that’s not your thing.
I’m all at sea with
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:33 pman ocean of emotion
don’t think it’s funny… no more
Sorry… it’s a Nick Lowe Sunday ’round heyah…
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:34 pmWell I heard they castrated Castro
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:37 pmI heard they cut off everything he had
Nick Lowe… teh Jesus of Cool
Most days I am, DRJ. This just ain’t one of ’em. My apologies.
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:39 pmhttp://youtu.be/N7DbnjszRzk
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:49 pm“Once I was a tax man
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:53 pmCollecting dollars and dimes
l heard the rich man grumble
I heard the poor man cry
Some few couldn’t afford to pay
Were put to a shackle and key
l never got over being a tax man”
Best line from Kingdom of Heaven was “I once fought for two days with an arrow through my testicle”
steveg (794291) — 3/9/2014 @ 1:56 pmWho knew that Hollywood in 2005 could predict the realities of Obamacare in 2014
No problem, Colonel.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:02 pmCruz is ready for a fight for our Liberty.
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:08 pmSign me up.
“Racist tirade” in 1…2…3…
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:10 pmIf ever in Carmel, Ca., try the fried prawns at Aw Shucks… cocktail sauce with healthy dab of horseradish… it’s to get fat for.
“I like my vacation and I’m keeping it.”
navyvet (aca3d3) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:14 pm— Barack Obama, 2014
Will do Col.
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:17 pm#127
steveg (794291) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:23 pmRe: Russia
I read a blog post about how Obama is stuck in Afghanistan without the Russians. The gist of it was that overland through Russia is the key part of our logistics line we supply our troops with and it will be the only way to get our troops and equipment out safely.
Putin can just say “no” if we sanction him and without him we’ll be forced to leave everything in country or fight our way out through Pakistan.
We also rely heavily on Russian subcontractors for resupply as it is.
Basically, we lost out on the Uzbek base, after we protested after Karimov’s internal situation, and we were outbid for Kirgizstan
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 2:51 pm@ DRJ,
In considering this, I tend to think that although the outcomes may be similar, I don’t believe the motivation is.
The president has revealed himself submissive and I would even go far as to say, been willing to subordinate himself (hence, our country) to other world leaders, while at the same time working on reducing our military. His apology tours confirm this role.
None of us know for sure Rand Paul’s motivation and we can reasonably assume they’re similar to his father’s, however, that doesn’t mean that he sees himself (hence our country) in a submissive or subordinate role throughout the world. Given his strong defense of America and his extolling the uniqueness of our country and pride in it, I think although he would likely be somewhat of an isolationist, he would also have troops stand at the ready if there were any threats to our way of life.
Because he is just coming out and making his views more widely known, this is certainly all conjecture, however, I don’t see a shrinking violet when I see and listen to him; I do see just that when I see the *actions* of our president.
And, as someone upthread said, it would be good to be more circumspect with our geopolitical strategies and involvement. Discretion and Prudence are rarely an enemy.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 3:05 pmReason discusses in-depth the accusation of isolationist with regard to Rand Paul. They also discuss the differences between isolationism and non-intervention.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/03/03/rand-paul-is-not-an-isolationist
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 3:10 pmMoreover, I think before throwing the term “isolationist” around, it would be wise for conservative/libertarians to come to a consensus when defining the term.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 3:12 pmWell exceeding noninterventionist, it’s arguable there’s any circumstance in which they would intervene, Latin America, was the site of most of the interventions in the 19th and early 20th century.
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 3:29 pm@ highpockets #156,
Quite bluntly, my first thought was, oh great, another idiot bringing a completely irrelevant issue like color into it.
And then I moved on.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 3:30 pmDana:
Maybe Rand Paul’s foreign policy positions will ultimately look more like non-intervention than isolationism. If you prefer, I’ll be glad to use that term when discussing his foreign policy positions with you. Whether you call it non-intervention or isolationism, it’s the Achilles heel of Libertarians like the Pauls. I fully expect Rand to address and refine his position in the next two years but, as a Libertarian, redefining words to sound more pleasing may be the best he can do.
I don’t think it’s fair to say that we shouldn’t use a word unless everyone agrees on what it means. If that were the standard, I doubt we could use many words.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:10 pmDana:
I agree their motivations are different. I said as much above. But that doesn’t really matter in the foreign policy area where other countries respond to what we do, not what our motivations are.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:12 pmI’d much rather have an experienced Governor.
One who’s put together a team, and a staff(like Senators), produced budgets and run up against their limits, given state of the state addresses, been the defacto party leader, communicating a philosophy of government, being an ambassador of a sovereign, travelling as representative of the sovereign, …
Senators get to say lots of stuff without actually having to do much to back it up.
I know zip about being in any capacity of administering government, its just what I imagine from the outside.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:20 pmThe previous Senator become President was JFK and he had a really uneven hand at Foreign Policy.
And, for that matter, these two are doing well as Senators. It’s a useless body right now, but after a run as President only Cruz would have a career left like Taft.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:28 pmThe Foreign Policy broker jokers in both parties are dead-set against Paul having any success. Ending interventionism are ideas lots of peeps would go for.
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:34 pm211. You’re right that is a fruitful area of discussion I’d like to see continued.
Dana and DRJ please carry on.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:37 pm@ DRJ,
I didn’t say we shouldn’t or you shouldn’t use the word – I said that it would be wise to come to a consensus on the definition of terms before throwing them around. I have seen here where one person uses one with with a different definition than what their fellow commenter means when using the same word.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:37 pmdouble 211… double g
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:40 pm@ DRJ,
Motives always matter – it determines one’s decision making policies to a great extent and. With foreign policy, I really don’t know enough about Rand Paul’s views on this issue other than a few sound bytes and interviews. I don’t know that he has formed a platform yet. I will be anxious to learn more about him.
I am personally avoiding a tag for candidates this upcoming election – no libertarian or conservative or Republican. I want my vote to be issue-based and not collectively based. (I haven’t articulated that too clearly as I’m still ruminating on it…).
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:42 pmDana,
Above, I talked about why I think Rand’s non-interventionism matters from a policy perspective, but here’s a tactical reason why it also matters: The likely Democratic nominee will be Hillary Clinton. She’s vulnerable on foreign policy, particularly because of Benghazi. If the GOP nominee is a non-interventionist who is more likely to oppose getting involved in foreign affairs, that plays into Hillary’s hands because it supports her claim that “What difference, at this point, does it make?”
Is it fair of me to say this? No, but it’s what the Democrats and the media will do, just as the media helped Obama argue that RomneyCare was like ObamaCare. For everyone who argues we have to care how the media will portray things(**), then you should care about this.
(**) For the record, I’m not one of those people. The media will do everything it can to undermine the GOP nominee. I care far more about the GOP nominating someone who is articulate in conveying the conservative message, than a nominee who never says anything controversial that the media can attack. There is no such nominee but, if there were, s/he would be so bland as to be unelectable.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 4:49 pmHere is Rand Paul’s statement on foreign policy issues. It’s a credible foreign policy position, and it’s a popular position after the Bush years.
However,t I’m concerned tha, while Rand acknowledges the President’s primary duty is national defense, what he seems to care is that only Congress can declare war. Liberals and conservatives have been arguing about this for decades, including this NY Times editorial berating the Bush 41 Administration. Members of both parties have been known to switch sides on this issue when control of the White House and Congress changed hands, but in general the GOP tends to believe in more aggressive executive powers over foreign policy. I think that’s with good reason, because the Democrats tend to focus on domestic goals rather than foreign policy concerns.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:02 pmCruz or teh Paul guy
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:04 pmgimme a “T” for Texas
“T” for Tennessee
She’s vulnerable on foreign policy, particularly because of Benghazi.
I would *like* to think she’s vulnerable on Benghazi, but the cynic in me doesn’t believe she is very much. A complicit media has seen to that. It’s off most people’s radar, and only when Darrell Issa convenes a session, no one is talking about it – again, see: MSM.
Also, this happened under Obama’s watch and what has happened to him as a result? Nothing. What has happened to Hillary? Nothing. Benghazi is little more than a memorable blip on the radar to these people – and they’ve made sure of that. So, to tie his potential for non-interventionism/isolationism to her Benghazi statement, is a stretch at best.
Sadly, Darrell Issa’s never ending “investigations” have become background noise – this includes Benghazi, F&F, etc.
http://dallasmorningviewsblog.dallasnews.com/2014/03/darrell-issas-never-ending-investigations-have-become-background-noise.html/
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:05 pmI realize many people are worried about intra-party squabbles that damage the nominees. I’m not, but for those who are: Just because he’s not my first choice, I would trust Rand Paul with foreign policy more than any Democratic President. Overall, he’s probably my second choice Presidential nominee right now.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:06 pmI would add that in a just and fair world, at the very least, Hillary would be vulnerable on Benghazi. But that’s just not how it is in reality.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:07 pmSometimes it takes time to make headway with a corrupt Administration. Even the incompetent schemes of Watergate still took time to unravel.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:08 pmWhen events in the far off Crimean Peninsula may trigger crises in whether Europe can generate heat and electricity and who knows what would cascade after that, if we really want to be aloof from world events we really need to have a fortress USA mentality,
and we don’t.
So, if we want to be rational, we need to change what we are doing.
Of course, being rational is not always very high on any ones agenda.
Speaking of being rational and international affairs, it appears Interpol has a data base of stolen passports and the like, but that most countries don’t routinely check entry documentation against them
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:11 pmhttps://trove.com/me/content/Unt47?chid=70384&_p=article_related%5B1%5D
One article had some person quoted as saying, “Austrian and Italian passports [with appropriate names] for people who look Asian, don’t these people use common sense?!?!”
Apparently the passports had been stolen over the last few years in Thailand, and the travel plans for the two continued directly from China to Europe, which resulted in them not needing Chinese visas or any screening process by Chinese authorities.
I realize many people are worried about intra-party squabbles that damage the nominees.
I see the intra-party squabbles as valuable, instructive and absolutely necessary. A healthy, robust debate cleanses the palate, gets rid of the debris, and brings the substantive issues to the surface and without cloak or disguise. Voters then have a clear view of their options.
Unfortunately, the GOP old guard see this cleansing and refinement very, very differently. And that speaks volumes.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:17 pmHillary and Lois Lerner may have skated so far, Dana, but the tide can turn quickly. For instance, the IRS recently agreed to release Lerner’s emails. Although I’m still concerned the Obama Administration isn’t releasing all of them, I’m optimistic about the investigation. Anything that implicates Lerner makes it more likely she will bargain for immunity.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:17 pmComment by Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:17 pm:
Well said. I completely agree.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:19 pmPaul backing obama’s diplomatic approach to Syria’s chem weapons as a possible model for dealing with future chem and nuke issues is interesting.
mg (31009b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:19 pm@ DRJ,
When the NYT calls for readers to dig up interesting and newsworthy items from Lerner’s emails, then I’ll be optimistic. Not a moment before then. 🙂
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:23 pmHeh. You’ve set a high bar to hurdle, Dana. I’d you settle for a revealing article at CNN or USA Today.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:27 pm==I didn’t say we shouldn’t or you shouldn’t use the word – I said that it would be wise to come to a consensus on the definition of terms before throwing them around. I have seen here where one person uses one with with a different definition than what their fellow commenter means when using the same word.==
I strongly agree, Dana. Yet I fear that is an almost impossible task with this group. There are quite a few obvious words that I think do not have consistent meanings or connotations as they are used among regular commenters here. So it is unfortunate but not surprising that we too often talk past each other, and frequently put words in other peoples’ mouths and put thoughts in their heads that aren’t there, and argue with them over things we think they believe or din’t believe.
Here are a few of those words/phrases and there are many many more.
Tea Party
Tea values
RINO
the elites
isolationist
base
social issues
This is a general observation of the discussions and frustrations, not a criticism of any person or persons.
elissa (6a5f2b) — 3/9/2014 @ 5:51 pmis
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:08 pmWell Issa’s performance was embarassing, he didn’t consider Cummings would ambush him, he didn’t have any rejoinder, to the lies that were disseminated
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:09 pmas they were against Catherine Engelbrecht that spoke truth to power, at no small risk to herself,
Heh, nk.
elissa (6a5f2b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:13 pmDRJ – as they have had over 8 months to scrub the info, I doubt there will be anything there. And something not being there will be treated as the end of a story that didn’t even exist to the MFM anyway. There are so many aspects they ignored- politicization of IRS, targeting anti-Obama speech, rogue agents in Cincy, etc
JD (25d342) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:16 pmOne can’t be cynical enough, the arrest of el Chapo, helped hide the disaster of Fast and Furious, that claimed 300 lives in Mexico,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:23 pmelissa:
I’m glad to see you say this isn’t about one person but it’s hard not to take it that way. I tried to talk to you in a way I thought was fair, honest, and appropriate. After reading this comment, I think it was a futile gesture.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:24 pmHeh, nk, nothing gets past you.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:26 pmBy the way, I assumed you didn’t see my comment on the Stockman thread and that’s why you didn’t respond. Was my assumption correct?
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:26 pmOne article had some person quoted as saying, “Austrian and Italian passports [with appropriate names] for people who look Asian, don’t these people use common sense?!?!”
I’m assuming the passengers who used those stolen passports didn’t look Asian—were not Asian. But who knows? Logic, particularly amongst those in the public sector, is an increasingly rare commodity in today’s age.
If the plane was sabotaged for political reasons, presumably by Islamists, that in itself illustrates just how radical and foolish such terrorists are. IOW, making a statement of protest in a way that isn’t even apparent or obvious is hardly a statement, and when the terrorists lose their own life in the act, that truly is an exercise in futility.
Mark (2908bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:28 pmJD:
I share your concern but sometimes all it takes is a little tug to unravel an entire garment.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:28 pmPlease try to, DRJ. This is not about any one person or persons. It is a general observation about the discussions over time on this blog in general, prompted by your and Dana’s friendly interaction upthread. I do not know how much more clear I can be.
elissa (6a5f2b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:29 pmYou are correct, DRJ. I did not see the comment you are referencing on the Stockman thread. Sorry..
elissa (6a5f2b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:35 pmThey are ruling against the will of the people, this is why they are confortable with phony indictment,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:38 pma fixed election or two, either in Minnesota or elsewhere, a good old fashioned two minute hatred down in florida, a biased SSM decision in California, a little IRS spanner in the works against the Tea Parties
Obama’s not unique in this way, Zapatero drove Spain into the ground, and Rajoy has been left to pick up the pieces. Hollandaise as I’ve dubbed him, is doing the same thing in France, taking advantage of some of Sarkozy’s weaknesses,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:42 pmThank you for responding to my question, elissa, but don’t bother with my question on the Stockman thread. It’s an old thread and the topic isn’t worth pursuing.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:43 pmA good rule of thumb is to charitably give the benefit of the doubt – especially to one who is consistently upstanding and deserving of said benefit. (And please feel free to remind me if I don’t heed my own words).
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:53 pmI am a stickler for defining the terms because in the past I have assigned a particular definition, argued from that position, and then only later realized the other commenter was defining it differently than me. I think in politics, the danger of doing that increases. That and this being the internet where one can’t see other participants and pick up on nuances, etc., makes it just safer route to agree on definitions ahead of time.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:56 pmSpeaking of a political divide within the party, Ross Douthat’s column discusses the four factions. Here’s a few looks at the 2016 possiblities,
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/opinion/sunday/douthat-four-factions-no-favorite.html
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:02 pmObama’s not unique in this way
I wonder how conservatives or generally sensible people manage to survive in countries like Spain or France, much less Venezuela?
If one thinks things are bad here in the US — and can’t possibly get any worse — you ain’t seen nothing yet. And not just with the gameplaying of outright leftists like an Obama, but with people who aren’t quite as bad and should know better, but don’t.
I’m not even a Spaniard and I recall feeling totally indignant (if not outraged) when I read the following:
I often mention what’s going on in other countries throughout the world — or in US cities like Detroit — because they are similar to canaries in the coal mine, a hint or forewarning of what can easily be duplicated right here in the US or throughout the US.
Mark (2908bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:16 pmin other news, this thread got a link in tonight’s ONT over at Ace’s
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:20 pmone is socially conservative (think Mike Huckabee or Rick Santorum backers),
When I think of Huckabee, I don’t think of him as a social conservative. Perhaps he is to staunch liberals, but he shouldn’t be to anyone who is fully aware of his I’m-okay-you’re-okay stance on capital punishment and kiss-kiss response to Obama’s policy on illegal immigration.
Mark (2908bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:22 pmAgree w/JD on the Lerner emails. Only way to find what truly went down (I’d wager) is if Lerner – like EPA’s Lisa Jackson and several other nitwits – broke the law and conducted business using personal account(s). Otherwise, they wouldn’t be releasing them.
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:25 pmDamn that True Detective series was good!
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:31 pm“But Cruz would need to consolidate the religious faction early” -NYT
I don’t exactly know why, but my Spidey-sense tingles at this “advice”. Would I be wrong to suspect that a leftist media would like nothing better than to see Cruz “consolidate the religious faction early”?
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:54 pmDouthat usually has half a point, at best, that’s the only thing allowed at the Old Grey Lady,
narciso (3fec35) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:56 pmThe Old Grey Lady just ain’t what she used to be.
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 7:59 pmtake advice from Times
Colonel Haiku (b4de1c) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:04 pmwith the smallest grain of salt
known to all mankind
Heh, saying “leftist media” is almost like saying “racist conservative”./sarc (just in case)
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:11 pmNope. Saying “leftist media” is like saying “damp sea”.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:13 pmDracula has bad table manners?
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:14 pmHitler was not a pacifist?
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:18 pmEnglish is not a common Tibetan dialect?
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:19 pmYou mean I could have had a V8?
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:20 pmI’ll take “Duh” for $1000, Alex.
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:25 pmColonel Haiku:
It was awesome, especially the ending. I thought it was going to end with an anti-religion message because that was one of the themes in the series, but this ending was just the opposite.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:28 pmDana:
I don’t think it works to try to monitor or guide people’s choice of words like the speech patrol, but you can use a technique that Patterico introduced us to: Restate the other person’s argument the way you think they would state it; then let them respond and tell you where you messed up; and then continue to go through that process until you have successfully stated the other person’s argument in terms they can accept. Then they do the same for your argument. That’s a more feasible way to come to a meeting of the minds and what I wanted to do with elissa on the Stockman thread.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:33 pmDracula, Hitler, and the Dalai Lama walk into a bar. His Holiness orders a V8.
Vlad: That looks good.
Adolph: That smells good.
Tenzin: Hey! That’s my great grandfather you’re talking about!
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:33 pmToo soon?
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:35 pm@ DRJ,
Oh good lord, I would never try to monitor someone’s speech, or worse, patrol it. Ironically, you’ve overstated my position. I certainly did not intend that to be what was conveyed. I simply want to make sure the person whom I am having a discussion with, and myself, are talking about the same thing. I don’t think it’s cumbersome to find out.
I do remember Patterico’s tip and I have used that on numerous occasions. It is indeed, beneficial.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:42 pmMy comment is not meant to sound abrupt, but in re-reading it, it may have come off that way.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:52 pmPatterico’s tip? “The most important part of speech is the audience?” That they understand what you are saying and that they are receptive to your argument? Yeah, he convinced me too.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:53 pmI’m assuming the passengers who used those stolen passports didn’t look Asian—were not Asian. But who knows?
Comment by Mark (2908bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 6:28 pm
Actually, I think the person was commenting after seeing surveillance photos that showed the imposters using the stolen passports, that they were indeed Asian.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:54 pmAnd while there may be people of Asian heritage with Austrian and Italian passports, the names did not reflect any Asian heritage.
Patterico’s tip Yes, the, “Let me see if I’ve got this right, you said…?” is a good technique whenever there has been a pattern of troubled communication, such as marriage.
Faced a diehard Obamite, today. Got nowhere. I was a bigot fifteen seconds in, and “Bush!” a minute later. 47%, maybe 35% now, but SCOAMF has a constituency.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:57 pmDana:
Earlier in this thread, you said:
That sounds like a speech patrol to me, since I was the one using the term isolationist. And you may find it ironic but, to me, this is a perfect opportunity for you to correct me instead of chiding me. Take this chance to convince me and everyone here that we should define our terms before engaging in further discussion.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 8:59 pmThe sea is damp, nk. You should have had a V8.
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:03 pmDana,
I suspect you, elissa, daleyrocks, and Colonel Haiku think I pick on you. I do, and I do it because I know you are smart enough to respond intellectually. I also do it with Patterico, MD in Philly, Dustin, and nk when I disagree with them — which admittedly is less frequent but it does happen. (I would also pick on felipe but we haven’t disagreed — yet!) I don’t think it’s a bad thing to disagree with people about things that are important.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:04 pmThanks, DRJ, I was feeling left out.
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:06 pmR. Stacy McCain:
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:08 pmDRJ, I believe you’re taking this way more seriously than need be. I don’t feel the need to convince anyone of anything, including you. I’ve stated what I think; no one has to agree with me, including you.
But I believe it is good to be mindful that, in politics, it’s easy for the terminology to get muddied, and depending on one’s pov (or listening skills), that muddiness can indeed confuse a debate.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:09 pmHang around long enough, felipe, and it could happen. You’re like SPQR. It’s hard to find anything I disagree with him about. Of course, I’ve also picked on Beldar a couple of times, but it literally took years to find something on which we disagreed and they were very minor points.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:12 pmDana:
I’ve stated what I think. You don’t need to respond or even read what I write if you aren’t interested.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:12 pmHeh. I can’t think of a time I have felt picked on, DRJ. These are conversations we have where we challenge, debate, get riled, listen, learn to listen better, and ultimately either draw conclusions, or even more frequently with me, dig deeper to find out the whys behind what I believe about any given issue.
This is not personal. Except, of course, when it is. If I didn’t respect commenters here, I wouldn’t engage with them.
If I do ever feel picked on, I suspect I won’t hesitate to make it known.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:14 pmit’s your time what you’ve wasted for your rose what makes your rose so important
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:18 pmbut you knew that
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:18 pmAnd, I would add, that I think this is a moment where we are talking a bit past each other or not quite getting what the other is saying… it’s not clicking. (In real life, this almost never happens with me, however, online I’ve noticed it does occur). Have a lovely evening. I’m going to continue my binge watching of House of Cards.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:18 pmNo, felipe. El mar es mas que humedo. Es mojado.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:21 pmPooter and Urkel, profiles of leadership:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-illustrated-guide-obama-vs-putin.html#more
Its Ok Stash, just a visual account. Click safe.
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:22 pmClaro, hombre, claro
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:24 pmAfghanistan is an important source of pine nuts.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:27 pm(In real life, this almost never happens with me, however, online I’ve noticed it does occur).
That’s because
I don’t feel the need to convince anyone of anything, including you. I’ve stated what I think; no one has to agree with me, including you.
The second requirement for effective speech, after the receptive audience, is that the speaker has to give a hoot.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:27 pmCertain treaties negotiated by tribes and laws in Nevada guarantee Native Americans’ right to harvest pine nuts.
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:29 pmNative Americans and their rights
whatever
I need a drink
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:30 pmIs it in Northern California where they have the right to hunt whales with spears?
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:32 pmWell, at least the heating season will be over.
http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2014/03/the-wages-of-stupidity-chicagoans-face.html
gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:34 pmHave a hot chocolate. The daughter and I made some with a Hershey bar (h/t from you), Nutella and RediWhip.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:34 pmi’m a google a recipe for pesto what avoids using falmerican-indian pine nuts i think
and after that I will make and also enjoy a tasty basil pesto frittata
got your pine nuts right here, Swims with Beaver Farts – or whatever the eff your name is, loser
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:34 pmBut Nutella is hazelnuts, not pine nuts.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:34 pmnk,
I do run out of motivation, especially on work nights… there’s just only so much energy. Plus, I’m not completely caught up with House of Cards yet. Priorities and all that.
Dana (9a8f57) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:35 pmnk,
Speaking of Nutella, have you tried the new Hershey’s spreads that come in chocolate, hazelnut and almond? I want to try them all.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:45 pmJif Whips are are like nine, maybe ten kinds of terribly, terribly wrong
https://www.google.com/search?q=Jif+whips&client=firefox-a&hs=Tmt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&channel=sb&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=qEMdU87UG837oATJ1YCIAw&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAg&biw=1024&bih=508
god bless america
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:48 pmAre you sure about that, HF?
Happy: got your pine nuts right here (grabs own crotch)
Nk: whoah! (covers daughters eyes)
felipe (6100bc) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:57 pmIf this report is correct, the Malaysian Air crash sounds more and more like terrorism:
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:57 pmThe link also says “Many airlines do not check the [stolen passports] database.”
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:00 pmA waxing moon is half hidden in the mist.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:00 pmThe wind has picked up from the southwest
and across Addison Street
it is rolling an empty soda can down the alley between the sushi restaurant and the halfway house.
On my side of the street dirty snow melt floods the mouth of the alley.
I throw the butt of my last cigarette of the day in it.
My internet connection is intermittent.
oh.
*falmerican-indian* was supposed to be *failmerican-indian*
but…
i failed
yeah I got your irony right here, Swims with Beaver Farts
or whatever the eff your name is, loser
yes Mr. felipe. I’m sure
I’ve thought about this a lot, you know
i strive to live a more-considered life
happyfeet (8ce051) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:00 pmIt’s hard to stay serious when I disagree with happyfeet. I think it has something to do with the fact he uses phrases like “Swims with Beaver Farts.”
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:03 pmNo, DRJ. Hershey’s Syrup is what I usually use. The Nutella and ReddiWhip are in the house only for when my daughter visits. Now, she has the occasional mocha coffee, with Nutella and RediWhip, too.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:04 pmYou’re a classicist in every sense of the word, nk. Even when it comes to your chocolate sauce and hazelnut spread.
DRJ (a83b8b) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:06 pmThe daughter sang me a Japanese song “Sakura”. They’re learning it in the school choir. Sakura are cherry blossoms. It was what they called the kamikaze pilots too. Cherry blossoms are very short-lived.
nk (dbc370) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:18 pmBest fake Indian is Tamara K’s: “Tells Jokes To Aspies”
SPQR (768505) — 3/9/2014 @ 10:19 pmSomebody at cpac should have shoved that rifle down McConnell’s progressive throat.
mg (31009b) — 3/10/2014 @ 3:31 amsideways.
😎
redc1c4 (abd49e) — 3/10/2014 @ 6:40 amWe must all respect the calmness with which Ted Cruz treats Beltway wisdom like a urinal cake.
Comment by gary gulrud (e2cef3) — 3/9/2014 @ 9:08 pm
Problem with that is that only about 1/2 of people knows what he is referring to.
Sexist.
ShopRite and even Save-a-lot have imitation Nutella now, taste the same to me.
There was a time when one important HIV med was available in only a liquid form which tasted like “cherry-flavored motor oil”. Coating your tongue with Nutella before taking it was a preferred method of coping with the issue.
All I ever learned about harvesting pine nuts I learned from reading an “American Girl” book about Josefina.
Usually I just look at the pine trees where I’ve lived and wonder where are the nuts, I don’t see anything big enough to bother with.
I guess many countries think they are not a target for terrorists and have not bothered with some of the available security measures. I guess the Uyghurs are become more active against China, like the mass stabbing attack a week ago or so.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:07 am(Not that you would have known that from US media coverage).
To work now.
she was… an American Girl… raised on promises.
Colonel Haiku (224dfe) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:18 amand for one desperate moment there… she voted for John McCain.
Colonel Haiku (224dfe) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:19 amActually, I think the person was commenting after seeing surveillance photos that showed the imposters using the stolen passports, that they were indeed Asian.
Perhaps, at least in this case, the screeners weren’t foolish in a way reminiscent (or worse than) the US military’s approach to a Nidal Hasan.
Mark (2908bc) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:25 amAbout 20 species of pine produce seeds large enough to be worth harvesting; in other pines the seeds are also edible, but are too small to be of great value as a human food.
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In North America, the main species are three of the pinyon pines, Colorado pinyon (Pinus edulis), single-leaf pinyon (Pinus monophylla), and Mexican pinyon (Pinus cembroides). The other eight pinyon species are used to a small extent, as are gray pine (Pinus sabineana), Coulter pine (Pinus coulteri), Torrey pine (Pinus torreyana), sugar pine (Pinus lambertiana) and Parry pinyon (Pinus quadrifolia).
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In the United States, pine nuts are mainly harvested by Native Americans, particularly the Uto-Aztecan: Shoshone, Paiute and Hopi, and Washoe tribes. Certain treaties negotiated by tribes and laws in Nevada guarantee Native Americans’ right to harvest pine nuts.
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The pinyon pine nut (seed) species will take 18 months to complete its maturity; however, to reach full maturity, the environmental conditions must be favorable for the tree and its cone.
Development begins in early spring with pollination. A tiny cone, about the size of a small marble, will form from mid-spring to the end of summer; the premature cone will then become and remain dormant (with a cessation of growth) until the following spring. The cone will then commence growth until it reaches maturity near the end of summer. The mature pinyon pine cone is ready to harvest ten days before the green cone begins to open. A cone is harvested by placing it in a burlap bag and exposing it to a heat source such as the sun to begin the drying process. It takes about 20 days until the cone fully opens. Once it is fully open and dry, the seed can be easily extracted in various ways. The most common and practical extracting method used is the repeated striking of the burlap bag containing the cone(s) against a rough surface to cause the cone(s) to shatter, leaving just the job of separating by hand the seed from the residue within the bag.
Another option for harvesting is to wait until the cone opens on the tree (as it naturally will) and harvest the cone from the pinyon pine, followed by the extracting process mentioned above. Fallen seed can also be gathered beneath the trees.
In which anti-aircraft missile battery’s, ground or ship, range was Flight MH370 in? How do you say “shoot, shovel, and shut up” in Vietnamese?
nk (dbc370) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:26 amDeng su mao
Colonel Haiku (224dfe) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:27 amMake your pesto with walnuts. Its delicious and more better for you than pine nuts.
http://www.food.com/recipe/basil-walnut-pesto-45348
elissa (9cf381) — 3/10/2014 @ 7:34 amYou made that up, Haiku. http://translate.google.com/#vi/en/b%E1%BA%AFn%2C%20x%E1%BA%BBng%2C%20im%20l%E1%BA%B7ng
nk (dbc370) — 3/10/2014 @ 8:19 amYes, Josefina was a Mexican-American girl living in the SW.
MD in Philly (f9371b) — 3/10/2014 @ 1:57 pmSamantha in NYC or Kirsten in MN never collected pine nuts.
He and Mooch take a vacation every 23 days?
Art Deco (ee8de5) — 3/11/2014 @ 10:21 am122. Comment by Colonel Haiku (c48af0) — 3/8/2014 @ 8:29 pm
Another win! Thanks all who helped re-elect this bum of a president… U.S.: No Need for PA to Recognize Israel
A slightly misleading headline. not recognizee Israel as a Jewish state which is, however critical, not just because of the implications you might think it would have on the issue of Palestinian refugee return, but because saying thsi would undermine the casus belli that goves Hamas and hezbollah the right to wage
warwar crimes and terrorism.State Department spokeswoman says the U.S. believes there is no need for the PA to recognize Israel as a Jewish state.
there is,m precisely BECAUSE it is such za problem.
Now Abnbas comes to the United States, and openly declares he is a puppet of the Arab League and “Palestinians” are not in a poisiton to make any decisions. Or concessions anyway.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4210/abbas-refusal
(I don’t read this the way the Gatestomne Institute does. I think he really is apuppet of those Arab states that giove him money and some security)
Also:
The article by Khaled Abu Toameh also notes that Abbas is now in the tenth year of his four year term – how could he be authorized to sign a deal with Israel? But Obama and Kerry are ignoring that..
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/12/2014 @ 2:59 pmSammy… they are pawns of teh prawns!
Colonel Haiku (cb438a) — 3/12/2014 @ 3:02 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prawn
I must be missing something.
This doesn’t help either:
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13600801003743505#preview
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/12/2014 @ 3:11 pmhttp://besacenter.org/perspectives-papers/gcc-peril/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=gcc-peril
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 3/12/2014 @ 4:39 pm