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9/13/2008

Extra: L.A. Times Reports Howard Rosenberg’s Cat’s Reaction to Palin Interview . . . But the Cat Didn’t Get the Whole Story!

Filed under: 2008 Election,General,Morons — Patterico @ 3:33 pm



Howard Rosenberg, writing in the L.A. Times:

Later, after Palin claimed that advocating energy independence somehow gave her national security chops, Gibson asked, “What insights into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks” — he meant the Russia/Georgia fracas — “does the proximity of the state give you?” She explained, “They’re our next-door neighbors,” then added, “You can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska.”

Even my cat, who never laughs at my jokes, laughed at that.

More important to me than whether Howard Rosenberg’s cat laughed is whether that exchange fairly sets forth Palin’s response. As Allahpundit put it right after the interview: “Did she really give a non-answer that goofy or did they just smear her by editing it that way? I would have given them the benefit of the doubt earlier but not after botching the prayer quote.”

We now have the answer: they smeared her by editing it that way.

Let’s go to Newsbusters’ complete transcript, with the edited-out parts placed in bold type:

GIBSON: Let’s start, because we are near Russia, let’s start with Russia and Georgia.

The administration has said we’ve got to maintain the territorial integrity of Georgia. Do you believe the United States should try to restore Georgian sovereignty over South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

PALIN: First off, we’re going to continue good relations with Saakashvili there. I was able to speak with him the other day and giving him my commitment, as John McCain’s running mate, that we will be committed to Georgia. And we’ve got to keep an eye on Russia. For Russia to have exerted such pressure in terms of invading a smaller democratic country, unprovoked, is unacceptable and we have to keep…

GIBSON: You believe unprovoked.

PALIN: I do believe unprovoked and we have got to keep our eyes on Russia, under the leadership there. I think it was unfortunate. That manifestation that we saw with that invasion of Georgia shows us some steps backwards that Russia has recently taken away from the race toward a more democratic nation with democratic ideals. That’s why we have to keep an eye on Russia.

And, Charlie, you’re in Alaska. We have that very narrow maritime border between the United States, and the 49th state, Alaska, and Russia. They are our next door neighbors.We need to have a good relationship with them. They’re very, very important to us and they are our next door neighbor.

GIBSON: What insight into Russian actions, particularly in the last couple of weeks, does the proximity of the state give you?

PALIN: They’re our next door neighbors and you can actually see Russia from land here in Alaska, from an island in Alaska.

GIBSON: What insight does that give you into what they’re doing in Georgia?

PALIN: Well, I’m giving you that perspective of how small our world is and how important it is that we work with our allies to keep good relation with all of these countries, especially Russia. We will not repeat a Cold War. We must have good relationship with our allies, pressuring, also, helping us to remind Russia that it’s in their benefit, also, a mutually beneficial relationship for us all to be getting along.

If your brain isn’t already addled by hatred for Palin, you can easily see how the question and answer make a lot more sense when placed in the full context.

Someone read the whole passage to Howard Rosenberg’s cat and let us know if that changes anything for the little kitty.

55 Responses to “Extra: L.A. Times Reports Howard Rosenberg’s Cat’s Reaction to Palin Interview . . . But the Cat Didn’t Get the Whole Story!”

  1. The cat was laughing at Rosenberg for being so gullible as to believe what the MSM attempts to pass off as ‘news’.

    Why does the media have to resort to outright lies in their blatant attempt to elect Barack Obama?

    Apogee (366e8b)

  2. If I was famous and giving an interview, I would ALWAYS make at least an audio recording (video if possible) of any interview without telling the interviewer. When discrepancies like this came up, I’d put the interview on the web.

    liontooth (0edfdb)

  3. One good use for the LAT is to shred it and use it in a litter box. Our cats especially like the bits from Rosenberg’s screeds.

    Old Coot (2f3a50)

  4. Patterico:

    Don’t forget: Rosenberg also talked about putting makeup on Quasimodo, but still not wanting to date him. After the pig on a lipstick situation, I would think that editors would be a little more vigilant about these kind of comments that might be “misinterpreted.”

    joeschmo1of3 (e246b9)

  5. “Why does the media have to resort to outright lies in their blatant attempt to elect Barack Obama?

    Comment by Apogee — 9/13/2008 @ 3:52 pm”

    It’s all they have?

    Dan S (ca8a95)

  6. Well, so much for giving Gibson the benefit of the doubt, eh?

    Infidel (56a0a8)

  7. Based on my interactions with the local obamatards, they buy the media’s adoration of obama as being rational and objective. I found one woman who thought Palin ok enough, but lacked the experience to be VEEP. Naturally no arguments that the #1 dem slot was less experienced made any difference. Most of the women I know are beyond child-bearing eyars and yet they are adamantly upset that Palin is pro-life and actually embraced having a child with Down’s. Some liberals thought McCain might be ok as Potus but that Sarah Palin was far too radical right and it would surely mean new justices at SCOTUS who would overturn Roe v. Wade and take away women’s choice of what to do with their wombs. Doesn’t matter that Obama is defective in demonstrable ways, he gets their vote and kudos for being AA (magic negro). Oh, I’m asked how can the Dalibama be considered elitist when his father’s side were goat herders while McCain was a child of military privileged elite?

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  8. OK, not to start some kind of comment war here, but doesn’t Howard Roesnberg just seem like the kind of dude that would have cats? I’ll leave it at that.

    JVW (6c4300)

  9. The “you can actually see Russia” line was somewhat on the doofus side. People who live in the higher floors of some condos around here can see the Bahamas from their living room (or at least the Nassau lighthouse), but I don’t know of any that claim any special knowledge based solely on that. That’s the line that should have been edited out; the rest was solid enough.
    However, I would submit that the ABC editing was not nearly as bad a hachet job as the AP headlines that claimed Palin was ready to go to war with Russia, even though they included quotes that directly contradicted that idea.

    kishnevi (aea3ff)

  10. JVW–I’d just like to know what sort of cat consents to have Howard Rosenberg as a pet.

    kishnevi (aea3ff)

  11. How about… This land used to BE Russia? 🙂

    Dan S (ca8a95)

  12. #9 kishnevi:

    The “you can actually see Russia” line was somewhat on the doofus side.

    Somewhat, I suppose. However, last time I looked (and its been a while) some of the Russo-Alaska border was in dispute (and some maritime borders with Canada as well) arising from the fad of states unilaterally declaring EEZs back in the 1970s. Something the governor of Alaska would be well aware of, and given her apparent thoroughness in understanding economic factors affecting the state, I’d be willing to venture that she has investigated the current state of Russia in order to understand them as an economic opponent, if nothing else.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  13. #10 kishnevi:

    I’d just like to know what sort of cat consents to …

    Totally, totally agree with you there. Sounds like duress to me.

    New campaign slogan:

    Free Rosenberg’s cat!!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  14. It may have been silly to say that you can see Russia from land in Alaska, but it is probably true. Here is a picture.

    LTEC (440c5d)

  15. #13 LTEC:

    but it is probably true.

    LOL! Yes, its true. I’ve seen Russia a few times myself. (Not surprising, I guess, when you’re on the Russian border patrol.)

    It’s also true that you can frequently walk to Russia in the winter time over the ice.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  16. I’m sure it is true. Just that it’s a silly thing to say. I put it down to a momentary inability to think of something substantive to say, and popping off the first thing that came to mind, before recovering her footing and reverting to substantial statements. (Given how often I do that in everyday conversation, that’s not a criticism. And the line is the only sentence in the entire unedited excerpt that I think is less than intelligent.) Which is why, in a properly edited interview, it would have been left on the cutting room floor. Or least reserved for the blooper reel.

    kishnevi (aea3ff)

  17. As Babs would sing, “On a clear day you can see Siberia…”

    kishnevi (aea3ff)

  18. #15 kishnevi:

    and reverting to substantial statements.

    Fair enough, and most of us do try to “buy time” even in normal conversation in attempting convey our ideas.

    Good speakers (and interviewees) are just more artful at it than most of us.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  19. Kish,

    I live close to Mexico. Not close enough to see it, although I’ve been to the border many times, but I am close enough to have a good understanding of the Mexican economy, culture and government, as well as border issues and the pros and cons of immigration.

    I think that makes my views about Mexico more informed than average non-border-state US citizens. If I’m right, why isn’t the same true of informed Americans living near Canada, informed Hawaiians’ views of Pacific issues, and informed Alaskans’ views of Canadian/Russian issues?

    DRJ (7568a2)

  20. #16 kishnevi:

    As Babs would sing, “On a clear day you can see Siberia…”

    Back in my Cold War days, the possibility of a port call in Vladivostok was floated by. Unfortunately it never came to pass, and the closest I came to coming aboard a Russian naval vessel was at a Seafair in Seattle.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  21. #6 – Well, so much for giving Gibson the benefit of the doubt, eh?

    Actually, not to take Gibson’s side on this, but editorial is carried out by an operator that, more often than not, is under orders from someone else higher up the ABC brass staircase than the interviewer. It is possible that Gibson may not be happy with this edit, but may not state so publicly. To do so would give the impression of a random and uncoordinated output from a major network, and that impression could cost him an advancement. It is strange, but they fear appearance of incompetence over appearance of bias.

    I don’t know Gibson’s deal with ABC regarding content approval, but sometimes things aren’t as straightforward as they seem.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  22. True, Apogee, the producer is the one who controls content. But as Dan Rather learned, its the anchor who has his name on it.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  23. madmax….”Military privileged elite”???? I know that is not your words, but I have to respond to those idiots who say that to you….

    As a Marine….even Generals are not “privileged elite”….yes, they live better than the enlisted, but not so much better as to be “elite”…

    And, yes, Sen. McCain was an Annapolis grad, and the son of an Admiral, but that meant posting everywhere, moves several times, new schools, churches, worlds…

    That is not a “privileged elite”…

    reff (4ab894)

  24. DRJ #18 – …informed Alaskans’ views of Canadian/Russian issues?

    I would say that your views of Mexico are better informed due to the interaction of the Mexican population with the US border, as that is a financial gateway for all of Mexico. I don’t know this for sure, but the distribution of Russians seems to be concentrated towards the Western portions of the country. I would think there is very little interaction across the Bering Strait, and the largest town in the region has a population of 15,000.

    You have a much better idea regarding Mexico’s politics and culture because the politics and cultural clash of Mexico are at your border and in your streets.

    Regardless, all this ‘interest’ in Palin’s ‘credentials’ regarding Russia are a distraction from her executive experience actually running something, as opposed to Obama, who has none. Even McCain has made this point regarding himself, Biden, Obama and Palin.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  25. Filter done eat me comments up.

    [I stepped away and there were a dozen comments in the filter when I returned. Hopefully yours are back now. — DRJ]

    Apogee (366e8b)

  26. #Apogee:

    Filter done eat me comments up.

    Yeah, I lost one a bit ago too.

    I’m pretty sure it’s because I mentioned that right wing hate monger M c C a i n on this here commie lefty blogsite, though.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  27. Now its munching digits right out of my comments that do make it past the filter!

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  28. It appears to me the ever snooty elite media got a geographical lesson from the “small town hockey Mom” – after they bided their time to attack and openly make fun of that which they hadn’t a clue about.
    One of my friends at Fort Greely tells me “the Russians are everywhere” up there… take that as you will, I have no idea if they float across or walk across (one here mentioned a seasonal icebridge).
    It wouldn’t surprise me one bit if they are brought in by our wonderful Federal masters. What comes to mind is when I saw a top US official (Robert Gates) proclaim on national TV that the missile defense shield is no problem, since we had already given Russians and the Chinese a full access tour to the sites, including those in Alaska.
    Yes Sarah, it is a small world, and a small mind the reporters have, small enough to make sure the citizens stay just as uninformed watching the TV talk gotcha crud they push constantly.
    I am very happy to see the various self proclaimed port side media circus “geniuses” falling all over themselves about being able to see Russia from Alaska, then claiming it doesn’t matter. Maybe their 30 dropped in by air researchers will run into a few ruskies, and of course, will fawn and drool, and feel themselves well rounded travellers and important worldly people after the encounter ensues. Then they will only whisper amongst themselves that maybe Sarah had a tangental point.
    They won’t ever think about the bigger picture, the government ignoring immigrations problems. The Russians, according to my friend, “crawling all over the place” (whatever) , or their hated Bush Ad. Offical ” We’ve already given the Russians a complete tour of the Missile Defense Facilities”.
    ” The American people” are “dumb” – because our pundits and commentators are DUMB, and talk only of the most idiotic things one could possibly imagine, IMO. Otherwise of course, it is supposed to be, “boring”.
    Maybe someday Charlie or Howard or another twaddle will talk to one of our troops, an Alaskan or Fort Greely personnel or even Alaskan citizen, and learn something.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  29. #22 reff-
    I called the simple baitch on it. She sent me an e-mail purportedly from a “conservative friend” whose bonafidesinclude having served as a law clerk for Chief Justice Berger. I responded that she and the conservative dude should continue to enjoy fellating obama. She says that makes me a very sick person. Of course I had enumerated my own questionsabout Wright, Ayers, Rezno, etc. The moonbats never want to respond to facts; it is always about their “feelings”.
    Anyway, the “real conservative” states that despite being born to military nobility,McCain did poorly at every school he attended, but moved along because of his elite connections. But he did marry a rich woman who keeps him so well that he can’t even remember how many homes he owns. On the other hand, Obama grew up in modest circumstances with no elite connections, but worked hard, got into some of the finest schools in the country. Anyway Obama is an achiever yadda yadda, more dem talking points and no mention of affirmative action, big shot at law review despite not publishing squat, etc. The Rethugs are the elitists. Obama is being ATTACKED by a woman who went to FIVE MEDIOCRE colleges in six years, compiling a forgettable record even there. SHE HAS CONTINUED THAT SAME MEDIOCRITY IN EVERY FACET OF HER LIFE (according to this conservative/obama fellator). This is the first time in this country that being competent and good at what you do (Obama) is considered a detriment. We now pick people specifically because they are dopes (Bush, McCain, Palin). That is the gist of what I was talking about. I’m sure that you (reff) or someone like Icy Truth or Mr. Smithee could take the BS apart, but this is the kind of crap that the Obama campaign and the media are foisting on the public and what is endemic to conversations about Sarah Palin in my local upscale feverswamp. Many Jews around here and for some reason they march to Wexler’s commands. Everyone I talk to seems to think the Messiah is the answer to world peace and harmony. I really don’t understand the mindset, but have to laugh because outside of a few south Florida counties, I think Baracky will have his ass pummeled in the general election.
    I’m sure Peter, lovetron,mario backwards, i like crapping on amerikkka and other trolls will agree with the thoughtful former law clerk to chief justice Berger conservative.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  30. Well, ” It may have been silly to say that you can see Russia from land in Alaska, but it is probably true. ”
    I say the only reason it’s silly, is if, forgive the attack, you are.
    Most people think of heading toward Russia – to the east, across that region of Europe – that’s how the NEWS almost always shows the movement, 99.9 percent of the time (their favored map has the USA on the far left, Africa and Europe centered, Russia on the right)- maybe the location of Moscow is influential, as well as all the little subliminal inputs the intervening nations on that map scan can imbue to the viewer in the commentary.
    Only very slightly is Russia thought to be to America’s west, to the left, or even less so I imagine, over the pole.
    I think it was a very astute comment and delivers a good lesson to the mindless gibbering media class, who as they decieve the public in their newscasts, become brainwashed as well.

    SiliconDoc (8160ec)

  31. I just love the “military privileged elite” thing…

    I didn’t go to Annapolis (wish I had) but, as a Marine, I know many men and women who did….

    That is not an easy school….I know several Navy officers who have attended both Annapolis and an Ivy School, the Ivy for grad school, and all have said the Academy is harder….for McCain to be “carried” along in the Academy would also mean he passed, because you don’t get to advance to your third year without passing, and then choosing to continue….

    I think you’re right about the election….the 50 state map shows McCain with a slight edge right now in the Electoral College, and that’s the one that matters….I think the lead will grow slightly over the next month, and that there will be a bit of a surprise for the libs in November….

    Of course, that will be because we’ll steal the third straight election….damn, we’re good theives, aren’t we….

    reff (4ab894)

  32. 29 reff- the local libtards are still bitching about Bush stealing the 2000 election. Various liberal newspapers counted ballots over and over and Bush still won. Ok, I agree that some geezers likely mistakenly voted for Buchanan, but how many voters in the Fla. Panhandle central time zone stopped waiting in line because the gore loving media called the state early for him? And then there’s the SCOTUS selected Bush. Of course we were supposed to go along with the very liberal fla. supreme court changing election after the election was already over.
    I do hope that the GOP makes every effort to keep an eye on groups like ACORN stealing votes for the dalibama. I have to wonder why the Justice is impotent in preventing dead people from voting, etc. You know the Daley machine and Obamanation will be more heinous than Gore managed to be in seeking to manipulate the process with lawyers and outright fraud.

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  33. Conservative beliefs….just enforce the existing laws…

    Voter fraud was a bit of a problem in New Orleans, and may have helped Mary Landrieu in her first Senate race, but, (and I await my liberal friends to hammer this!!!) Katrina has solved alot of that, because the power base was destroyed, and new enforcement, along with new interest in the rules, has fixed alot of it….Landrieu is in a bit of a tussel with John Kennedy (A Demo turned Repub turned RINO) but, he would be better than her….

    reff (4ab894)

  34. 33 what did they ever do with that corrupt NOLA police force?
    As far as city corruption goes, it appears to me that Chicago stands out, along with the state government also. And I know Philly sucks, but what about the whole state of New Jersey? One wonders just what jurisdictions are relatively cleanly run. The HBO series about Baltimore- The Wire didn’t do the libs any favors there either.

    Too hot year around where I live, but if I were in Alaska or Wyoming etc. I’d consider one of these Ushankas with Obama Commie on them
    http://www.commieobama.com

    madmax333 (0c6cfc)

  35. NOPD is still having problems….couple of arrests of officers involved in crimes, including one of an officer informing drug buyers of a sting operation against a dealer….couple of others involving an officer abusing her position, pulling a gun at a day care car pick-up line, and the then investigating officer failing to correctly investigate and report that to his superiors….another where an officer late for work takes local bridge police (we have about 6 police departments in Orleans Parish: NOPD, Civil Sheriff, Criminal Sheriff, Harbor Police, Causeway Police, Orleans Levee Police, along with State Police, Border Patrol, and over 1000 LA National Guard soldiers) on a high speed chase while trying to get to work, then slapping the Causeway Police officer who finally stopped him…

    Not any worse than the female State Rep who was speeding to work in Baton Rouge from New Orleans, stopped by an officer, who let her go (speeds over 90) and then did it again the next week, with her “blue lights” flashing in her personal car…

    Or, the Mandeville mayor who broke through a toll booth on the Causeway, 2:AM, drunk, and was released by the officers after their superior told them to…in his personal car with dummy license plates normally used for undercover….

    State Police learned after that that they had “authorized” over 5000 (yes, five thousand) dummy license plates around the state, meaning if the person driving that car/truck/van were to be identified by their license plate, the plate would come back from the check as “unknown”…

    We’re amazing here in Louisiana….

    reff (4ab894)

  36. What, still no clarification from the pussy?

    Born Free (6d00ac)

  37. Owning a cat should disqualify one from being a columnist.

    Especially at the L.A. Dog Trainer.

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  38. #37 Icy Truth:

    Owning a cat should disqualify one from being a columnist.

    Being stupid enough to believe that you own a cat should be grounds for disqualification.

    After all, intelligent people (and cats) know that they just keep us people around to open cans of tuna.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  39. And if you die inside the house, they will eat you.

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  40. Hell, mine make it clear that if I’m not fast enough with the can opener, they are going to take turns experimenting with arcane methods of gruesome murder.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  41. Have you ever awoken to find your nails trimmed, but you don’t remember having done it yourself?

    Icy Truth (ab2f41)

  42. I have awakened to finding one of my good Henckels boning knives on the pillow beside me.

    Both of them staring at me, sphinxlike, from the other side of the bed.

    EW1(SG) (84e813)

  43. It seems that some people are forgetting that Russia likes to invade its neighbors for superiority over oil exports. The fact that Alaskans can see Russia from their shoreline would not make me very comfortable. What about our oil reserves there? Can it be imagined that Russia would like to have some of that?

    I think her short statement that Russia could be seen from Alaska should have been enough to qualify her implied point to anyone who pays attention to the news coming from outside our borders.

    Irene Flick (e6320f)

  44. The last time I was in Alaska, after the USSR collapsed, Anchorage every weekend had a Russian flea market that stretched along the street across from the Hilton. You could buy anything, probably including a suitcase nuke if you knew the right people (just kidding). Anyway, Russians are all over Alaska and their relationships are far greater than most non-Alaskans realize. Alaska is a front line defense outpost, for example. The Alaska National Guard is a full time active duty service.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  45. #2 liontooth: If I was famous and giving an interview, I would ALWAYS make at least an audio recording (video if possible) of any interview without telling the interviewer. When discrepancies like this came up, I’d put the interview on the web.

    I’m not taking a position one way or another on ABC’s editing of the interview, but give credit where it’s due. ABC isn’t hiding anything: It’s not “Newsbusters’ complete transcript,” as Patterico calls it; it’s radio host Mark Levin’s copy-and-paste of ABC’s own transcript, which ABC itself posted on its website.

    Not Rhetorical (2509d9)

  46. It may not be hidden, but, ABC’s actions show complicitness in their bias….If they had just played the interview, and let the viewer make their own interpretation….

    But, they can’t, can they???

    reff (4ab894)

  47. Why do I get the feeling Rosenberg’s cat will get it before Rosenberg himself?

    I can see the cartoon now — Rosenberg’s cat turning himself at an animal shelter. “I was fed Kibbles and lies my whole life.”

    Arnold (1a3b0c)

  48. Not Rhetorical, thanks for the link to the entire transcript. I didn’t see a retraction that Gibson was wrong about her statement when he said ‘exact words’. Also, why doesn’t ABC post the whole video interview on line? They could put it on youtube and not have to pay the bandwidth.

    liontooth (0edfdb)

  49. It’s not hard for Rosenberg to make a fool of himself, all you need to do is provide a pen and a pad or a computer with Word.

    harkin (f8877d)

  50. “…and that there will be a bit of a surprise for the libs in November….”

    Methinks they’ve got an earlier surprise, right around the end of October – Rezko’s plea sentencing will be announced at that time. Fitz has got something big to reveal – could primarily involve the Governor, but Bambi’s many convoluted ties with Daley and the rest of the Chicago Machine may be finally exposed.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  51. On the one hand, I hope are correct, Dmac. On the other, brace yourself for some kind of gag motion until after the election, for fear of “unfairly prejudicing the electorate.”

    Yeah, I know it is okay when the Left does it, but the real theme of Obama’s campaign (that is, his staff, the DNC, and the MSM) is hypocrisy.

    Eric Blair (36c1a9)

  52. Eric, the fact that both parties hate/love Fitz depending on whose ox is being gored, I have a hard time believing that he’s going to give a rat’s a– about the timing. He works on his own schedule, and has given every indication that when it’s time to move forward, so be it. His recent prosecution (and conviction) of former GOP Governor Ryan was indicative of this tendency – many powerful interests on both sides of the ledger wanted it desperately to go away, and Fitz fought all appeals for leniency and reduced jail time, regardless of the consequences. Not a good omen for Bambi, you could say.

    Dmac (e639cc)

  53. Well thank Christ we have this cat to provide in depth political analsys…

    Lord knows he’s likely do a better job than Olbermann…

    Scott Jacobs (61a241)

  54. Personally, I’d rather kick it up Howard Rosenberg’s ass and see if it came out his ears correctly, but I would never advocate pre=emptive violence.
    /Bush Doctrine

    rhodeymark (6231e5)

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