Patterico's Pontifications

If he really believed that these folks represented a patriotic uprising against a rigged vote, he should have pardoned them all before leaving office. He didn’t, of course, and the reason why he didn’t is unclear. Maybe

1) He didn’t really believe the lie that set them on this path, and viewed them as marks.
2) He was concerned that a pardon would have left him, and only him, holding the bag.

Which is it? I’m thinking “both.”

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:03 am

Of course, should it be absolutely proven that the election was rigged and that Trump really won, Trump is still out of office since the matter was closed on Jan 6th.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:05 am

“Five people later died after thousands of his supporters beat back police to storm through barricades and charge inside the Capitol”

Lie

JF (e1156d) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:08 am

The putative leader of the GOP is unfit, unhinged and untethered to facts or reality, yet elected Republicans are making pilgrimages to Mar A Lago and Bedminster to appease him and curry his favor. My party is so awesome right now.

Paul Montagu (5de684) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:08 am

Listen here.

I think this is behind a paywall. (Washington Post) Maybe you can get a better link.

Who’s the “they?”

Was Trump talking about the crowd at the Ellipse or those who stormed the Capitol? Because the two are not the same. as much as Nancy Pelosi would like to confuse them.

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:15 am

Even more dangerous are the critters in Congress that give free reign to the former President. If things continue going down that path, with his enablers(Election truthers or not) winning up the primaries, then I can’t see how I could vote Republican in the 2022 midterm elections.

HCI (92ea66) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:18 am

I think this is behind a paywall. (Washington Post)

You can subscribe to nearly any newspaper for $1/week. I do this with the NYT, WaPo, LAT and WSJ. I think you can get the LAT for $1/YEAR if you hold out long enough.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:52 am

More dangerous than Carlson?

mg (8cbc69) — 7/22/2021 @ 9:59 am

If you want to talk about the human impact, what Biden/Democrats are doing at the southern border as a policy matter is x1000 impeachable than whatever Trump has done.

The human cost, lives destroyed, public cost and enriching of the cartels is going to be something that we won’t have full accounting for years.

And I say that as someone who thought Congress simply should’ve impeached/removed Trump for his dereliction of duty post Jan 6th. (all he had to do was to order security/military to secure Congress when it was happening).

whembly (1fe49d) — 7/22/2021 @ 10:15 am

@9 what biden wants is what they want

JF (e1156d) — 7/22/2021 @ 10:39 am

a ragtag insurrection that had zero chance of getting anywhere and happened on one single day will always be superhyped above rampant lawlessness sanctioned for political gain going on at the border every single day

JF (e1156d) — 7/22/2021 @ 10:48 am

11… or the actual insurrection(s) during the Summer of 2020 in blue-governed cities across America.

MOAR felony Selfies and Violent Hanging Out!

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 11:12 am

8… c’mon, man! Avenatti put Carlson in his place 2years ago…

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 11:14 am

When our premier law enforcement institution – the FBI – works to cook up events to depict their fellow citizens as enemies of “The State”, our problems run deeper – much deeper – than the former POTUS.

YMMV

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 11:33 am

a ragtag insurrection that had zero chance of getting anywhere

Except for quick action by some capitol police, the mob could have gotten hold of some legislators or staff. And the people at the forefront were zealots, so there could have been any number of killings.

Trump delenda est.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 12:06 pm

@15 a true statement which applies to every violent protest in DC or anywhere else for that matter

but i guess this was the only one

JF (e1156d) — 7/22/2021 @ 12:14 pm

Keep on with the rationalizations. Eventually you might convince someone.

Tell me, when you saw the protestors go inside, did you think “Oh, fu*k!” or did you think “Go get ’em!”

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 12:20 pm

Think?

Time123 (4258aa) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:10 pm

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 11:33 am

– the FBI – works to cook up events

Mpst of the terrorism cases they brought after Sept 11 were like that – even when they went after people who had been guilty of previous offenses – like that retired bomb maker from Iraq who had come to the United States.

Cooking up cases – that’s what the people indicted in the plot to kidnap the Governor of Michigan say happened to them.

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:19 pm

When our premier law enforcement institution – the FBI – works to cook up events…..

So are you saying that the FBI directly incited the violence at the Capitol? Or the FBI faked the video and text messages?

Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:23 pm

8. More dangerous than Carlson?

Or John Drake?!?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Man‘

Now there’s a man who leads a life of danger…

Or a ‘Prisoner’ of his own success, perhaps?!?! That ‘cult’ has quite a sizable following.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Prisoner

‘Be seeing you’… at the next rally. 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:28 pm

@17 unlike you and most others here, my reaction was the same as when antifa set fire to and tried to take over the federal courthouse in portland

and unlike you i’ve never tried to rationalize the collective shrugging of shoulders about lawlessness at the border

JF (e1156d) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:28 pm

“So are you saying that the FBI directly incited the violence at the Capitol? Or the FBI faked the video and text messages?”

I think he’s referring to Gov Whitmer kidnapping plot, that Sammy mentions @19. This has been the FBI’s modus operandi post 9/11, but they mostly targeted Muslims, so the usual suspects have been silent or supportive up until now.

Davethulhu (aa6793) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:43 pm

@23-
It’s hard to tell, as Tucker Carlson has accused the FBI as being behind the Capitol insurrection as well. Let Cpl Haiku defend himself.

Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/22/2021 @ 1:58 pm

Interesting how elected officials are labeled ‘dangerous’ — more so than, say, unelected contract players at capitalist corporations. Like a Rush Limbaugh.

He was a ‘dangerous man’ — until God decided to disarm him.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 2:00 pm

Trump’s PAC collected $75 million this year, but so far the group has not put money into pushing for the 2020 ballot reviews he touts
Former president Donald Trump’s political PAC raised roughly $75 million in the first half of this year as he trumpeted the false notion that the 2020 election was stolen from him, but the group has not devoted funds to help finance the ongoing ballot review in Arizona or to push for similar endeavors in other states, according to people familiar with the finances.

Instead, the Save America leadership PAC — which has few limits on how it can spend its money — has paid for some of the former president’s travel, legal costs and staff, along with other expenses, according to the people, who spoke on the condition of the anonymity to describe the group’s inner workings. The PAC has held onto much of its cash.
…….
Trump has told some advisers that he wants to keep a large bank account to show strength for a potential 2024 campaign. He continues to tell advisers that he is likely to run for president again, though some in his orbit suspect he will not. Some advisers have also urged him to save the money for travel next year to barnstorm the country on behalf of candidates he has endorsed.
…….
Besides fundraising, Trump has begun renting the massive trove of data that his campaign amassed to other candidates he supports in exchange for a share of their fundraising revenue, according to people familiar with the deal. That could ultimately prove another valuable cash flow for him.
……..
Grifters are still gonna grift the suckers.

Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/22/2021 @ 2:08 pm

Grifters are still gonna grift the suckers.

Reaganomics.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 2:11 pm

… The implications of these facts are obvious. It seems extremely likely that the FBI had numerous ways to know of any organized plots regarding the January 6 riot (just as the U.S. intelligence community, by its own admission, had ample advanced clues of the 9/11 attack but, according to their excuse, tragically failed to “connect the dots”). There is no doubt that the FBI has infiltrated at least some if not all of these groups — which it has been warning for years pose a grave national security threat — with informants and/or undercover spies. It is known that Proud Boys leader Enrique Tarrio has served as an FBI informant in the past, and the disrupted 2020 plot by Three Percenters members to kidnap Gov. Gretchen Whitmer (D-MI) was shaped and driven by what The Wall Street Journal reported were the FBI’s “undercover agents and confidential informants.”

What would be shocking and strange is not if the FBI had embedded informants and other infiltrators in the groups planning the January 6 Capitol riot. What would be shocking and strange — bizarre and inexplicable — is if the FBI did not have those groups under tight control. And yet the suggestion that FBI informants may have played some role in the planning of the January 6 riot was instantly depicted as something akin to, say, 9/11 truth theories or questions about the CIA’s role in JFK’s assassination or, until a few weeks ago, the COVID lab-leak theory: as something that, from the perspective of Respectable Serious Circles, only a barely-sane, tin-foil-hat-wearing lunatic would even entertain.

This reaction is particularly confounding given how often the FBI did exactly this during the first War on Terror, and how commonplace discussions of this tactic were in mainstream liberal circles. Over the last decade, I reported on countless cases for The Guardian and The Intercept where the FBI targeted some young American Muslims they viewed as easily manipulated — due to financial distress, emotional problems, or both — and then deployed informants and undercover agents to dupe them into agreeing to join terrorist plots that had been created, designed and funded by the FBI itself, only to then congratulate themselves for breaking up the plot which they themselves initiated. As I asked in one headline about a particularly egregious entrapment case: “Why Does the FBI Have to Manufacture its Own Plots if Terrorism and ISIS Are Such Grave Threats?”

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/questions-about-the-fbis-role-in

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:00 pm

I used to wonder how Greenwald could be on so many different sides, from Muslim terrorists to Donald Trump. And then I realized that he was always on “Czar” Putin’s side and, as a result, always against America.

Jim Miller (edcec1) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:16 pm

The ‘Danger List.’

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_conservatives

Yes, the ‘dangerous man’ is on it. He’s one of you. And, of course, add Daughter-Darth-in-drag, Liz Cheney.

“She’s a man, baby!” – Austin Powers [Mike Myers] ‘Austim Powers’ 1999

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:34 pm

Flashback: So is it fair to ask if Biden is on the payroll of Putin? As Walter Russell Mead wrote in 2017:

‘If Trump were the Manchurian candidate that people keep wanting to believe that he is, here are some of the things he’d be doing:

Limiting fracking as much as he possibly could
Blocking oil and gas pipelines
Opening negotiations for major nuclear arms reductions
Cutting U.S. military spending
Trying to tamp down tensions with Russia’s ally Iran.’

You know who didn’t do those things? Trump. You know who is doing those things? Biden.

https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/463098/

Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:42 pm

GOP conservatives need reminded, blamed or smacked w/a newspaper on the snout for their part in the damage they have done creating the hellish world of modern American society on so many levels and acknowledge responsibility for it. Or they’ll keep getting their noses rubbed into the carpet like a bad puppy peeing on it as well. They railed again FDR for decades– well into the 1970s–as blame for all the national woes… yet 32 of the past 52 years have been GOP/conservative administrations w/GOP CiC’s. Trump is a Reagan Creation– spawned out of a cesspool of your own making– he is ‘you.’ So stop whining– or just stop peeing– on Uncle Sam’s carpet.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:45 pm

There is reason Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil. He can’t be extradited.

Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:54 pm

I think I finally understand you, DCSCA. Your view is that the GOP train derailed by nominating Goldwater instead of Rockefeller in 1964, and you would like to see a return to the Eisenhower/Rockefeller style of Republicanism. Am I right?

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 3:58 pm

Here’s an example of Greenwald’s propaganda.

Jim Miller (edcec1) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:07 pm

@34. Was raised in a ‘Rockefeller Republican’ environment, norcal- until the late mother went off the reservation, became a Goldwater Girl and worked on his campaign. The family never let her forget it. But the greatest ‘horror’ was when the grandfather showed up in ’64 and attended the DNC convention w/t PA delegation in Atlantic City- and was caught on NBC cameras applauding RFK’s speech. It was a business decision- as a banker, he wanted PNB to handl the DNC state accounts. LOL

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:08 pm

I’m sure Greenwald misses Philip Agee.

Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:15 pm

This reaction is particularly confounding given how often the FBI did exactly this during the first War on Terror, and how commonplace discussions of this tactic were in mainstream liberal circles

The FBI< when it really infiltrates a potentially violent group, never lets someone get hurt. They roll them p before with an indictment, and have plenty of recordings.

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:17 pm

I think I can one-up you, DCSCA. My mother first became active in politics by also supporting Goldwater. But it didn’t stop there. She became a Bircher, and remains one to this day. I think she has been paying dues for over 50 years, and is leaving part of her estate to them. The Birchers should have a bronze statue of her outside their headquarters.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:20 pm

@39. If memory serves, we had a local ‘chapter’ head, a wackjob Bircher living close by in the Basking Ridge/Liberty Corners, NJ area back in the day- the folks were aware of him and often pointed out his “estate” on drives to the grocery store. One afternoon, was thirsty and found this can of ‘Goldwater ginger ale’ on the mantle at home– obviously a campaign keepsake, got some ice, a church key and opened it up on the bottom– it was flat, lacking effervescence, like the candidate himself. Made the mistake of replacing the can back on the mantle. Weeks later it was discovered empty– and opened on the bottom… let’s just say Mom was ‘not amused.’ 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:33 pm

#34 norcal – You may be looking for coherent thoughts, where there are none. If someone actually believes that the United States is “hellish” or that “Trump is a Reagan creation”, then they are either just throwing mud to be nasty, or so detached from reality that they should seek treatment.

If he feels this assessment unfair, I have this challenge for him: Be positive. Tell us what policies we should be following, and which American leaders now in office he admires. And do that without any childish insults.

Or, he could challenge Trump to a mud wrestling contest, which might, at least, be entertaining.

(Recently, Gallup found that about 40 million of those living in the Caribbean and Central and South America would come to this “hellish world” if they could.

It is not a secret that the swamp-dwelling bullfrog was already flirting with the Soviets while Reagan was in office, and that he never supported Reagan, but has always been attracted to dictators, even absurd ones like Kim Jong Un.)

Jim Miller (edcec1) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:34 pm

@41. You must be very young. Or merely naive.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 4:45 pm

@41 ‘At the 1988 Republican National Convention, Donald Trump was asked by Larry King on CNN: “You might be classified as an Eastern Republican, Rockefeller Republican. Fair?”, to which Trump replied: “I guess you can say that”. During his 2016 presidential campaign, Trump was described as both a modern-day Rockefeller Republican (by some conservative writers) and as the heir to the Goldwaterite opposition to the Rockefeller Republicans.’ -source, wiki.heisasseedyslimeyNYCSOB.org

Yes, he’s a scumbag; no he is not a modern ideological conservative. And he felled that hollow, burned out incredibly damaging and idiotic movement from Reagan/Goldwater days like a house of cards.

Glorious.

CiCs need to be sharp SOBs- not shuffling, brain-damaged near DOAs, Jimbo.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 5:00 pm

It is not a secret that the swamp-dwelling bullfrog was already flirting with the Soviets…

ROFLMAOPIP – Capitalist Seeks Capital.

Film at 11.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 5:02 pm

DCSCA @40,

“Whackjob Bircher” is redundant. 🙂

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 5:34 pm

Jim Miller @41, he approaches things differently, that’s for sure. I’ve come to appreciate his sense of humor and stories. He’s very entertaining once you get him off Reagan and Biden.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 5:40 pm

#46 norcal – Agreed. Which is why I suggested the mud wrestling — with, perhaps a preliminary bout between AOC and MTG. In those events, the trash talk is, as I understand it, part of the entertainment.

I’d pay a dollar to see those four rolling around in the mud.

Jim Miller (edcec1) — 7/22/2021 @ 5:56 pm

Onto a more current brazen concern that makes the Trump look surreptitious:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-artwork-for-sale-meeting-buyers/

Hunter Biden to meet/mingle with “anonymous” buyers of his artwork. BAnon?

steveg (ebe7c1) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:02 pm

@47 You’d pay $100,000,000 to see it w/Joan Collins.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:04 pm

@46. ‘once you get him off Reagan and Biden…’

Wreck + Age = wreckage.

Own it. 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:06 pm

@45. Seduced, used and abandoned, norcal. Too many times.

The straw broke. They’re the Trumpist floorboards.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:10 pm

Bring Katie Hill out of retirement, sign up Sinemax and get Palin-esque Bobert as another heel, and I’ll fork over the PPV money.

urbanleftbehind (e4b505) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:10 pm

Good one, UBL. 🙂

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:16 pm

ULB

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:16 pm

You’d pay $100,000,000 to see it w/Joan Collins.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:04 pm

You’d pay $100,000,000 to do it w/Joan Collins!

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:18 pm

@55. LOL Now THAT’S Reaganomics. 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:27 pm

@46. Time to wean Jimbo, norcal 😉 …

https://comicbooksgalaxy.com/joan-collins-hot-pictures/

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:30 pm

@57 BTW, my anti-virus software kicked into high gear once I clicked on that Joan Collins link. Clicker beware.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:37 pm

A black couple died of covid after refusing to be vaccinated because as graduates of tuskeege collage they said they feared the government was infecting black people again like their relatives.

asset (2f71dd) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:52 pm

@58. Bad girl Joan does have that effect, doesn’t she… that’s our ‘evil woman’ for ‘ya. 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:55 pm

@60 Yep.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:56 pm

The government never infected people with syphilis. They just didn’t cure it. The study started when there was no good cure.

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:57 pm

A black couple died of covid after refusing to be vaccinated because as graduates of tuskeege collage they said they feared the government was infecting black people again like their relatives.

asset (2f71dd) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:52 pm

It’s not just the military that’s always fighting the last war.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 6:57 pm

Is Trump more dangerous than fentanyl?

mg (8cbc69) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:03 pm

Is Trump more dangerous than the streets of Los Angeles?

mg (8cbc69) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:05 pm

@64 and 65,

Yes, in the overall scheme of things.

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:09 pm

@17 unlike you and most others here, my reaction was the same as when antifa set fire to and tried to take over the federal courthouse in portland

and unlike you i’ve never tried to rationalize the collective shrugging of shoulders about lawlessness at the border

Biden does not justify Trump. We had a choice between a sh1t sandwich and a crazy sh1t sandwich.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:29 pm

We had a choice between a sh1t sandwich and a crazy sh1t sandwich.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:29 pm

I opted for the salad (Jo Jorgensen).

norcal (a6130b) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:34 pm

I think he’s referring to Gov Whitmer kidnapping plot, that Sammy mentions @19. This has been the FBI’s modus operandi post 9/11

There was a case a few years back, also in Michigan where a bunch of militia members were arrested, with all kids of dire charges. They were all set free by an irate judge in a directed verdict.

Arrests: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/03/30/michigan.militia.arrests/index.html

Dismissals: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-crime-militia/hutaree-militia-walk-from-jail-after-charges-dismissed-idUSBRE82S1EX20120329

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:35 pm

I opted for the salad (Jo Jorgensen)

Well, so did I, but it was a fairly crappy salad.

Kevin M (ab1c11) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:36 pm

A black couple died of covid after refusing to be vaccinated because as graduates of tuskeege collage they said they feared the government was infecting black people again like their relatives.

asset

OK, so this is both wrong, racist, and racist/wrong.

First spell Tuskegee correctly.
Second, understand what happened at Tuskegee, no one was infected. Not treated, yes, infected no.
Third, that doesn’t make it not still horrific.
Fourth, making up a story like that specifically to be a racist d-bag is a +10 scumbag score.
Fifth, good lord, what a piece of filth, you are truly a trash person.

Colonel Klink (Ret) (1367c0) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:39 pm

Biden does not justify Trump. We had a choice between a sh1t sandwich and a crazy sh1t sandwich.

They’re call the Democrat Hoagie the Republican Club sandwiches, Kevin.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 7:45 pm

65.Is Trump more dangerous than the streets of Los Angeles?

Is Trump more dangerous than a gas leak?!?

Strike a match and see… 😉

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/22/2021 @ 8:31 pm

@71 sources I did bot make this up : the hill.com, raw story, al.com, msn.com and wsptv among many others. I will leave the race bating to you. I don’t call names.

asset (034e85) — 7/23/2021 @ 1:54 am

Our universe might be a giant three-dimensional donut, really.
-source, https://www.livescience.com/universe-three-dimensional-donut.html

Well, there you have it. God is =gulp= -Jesus Christ Almighty- … Homer Simpson. That should deep-fry Flander’s ass. Explains a diddly-lot, too.

And giraffes.

“Share the wealth, boy!”

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/23/2021 @ 3:02 am

Trump (Jan 6 tweet): “These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away.”

I struggle to see how a rational individual can read that and say “yeah, that’s who I want to support in 2024” or “the liberal will always be worse” or “well, where’s the GOP’s alternative?” I mean, there’s really just two options. Either, Trump is unhinged and really doesn’t have a good grasp of reality….or he is willing to lie to the very end to continue the con against those that are magnetically drawn to him. I think it’s the latter….though the level of narcissism that that takes, I think, does rise to being unhinged….as there is little to no responsibility to the Constitution, to the Presidential office, to the truth, or to his duty as a role model. It screams “Grow the F*ck up!”

This is the President of the United States justifying a siege of the Capitol….and sitting on his hands during the siege to see how it played out. And the bulk of elected Republicans and a huge swath of registered Republicans not only excuse it, but enthusiastically want him at the top of the ticket yet again….and be the shrill dissembling voice of the GOP. I agree with HCI at #6, I’m not sure what the point is of rewarding the enablers. I can somewhat excuse the sheep who are being manipulated by right-wing media for ratings and clicks, but the elected leaders who are either too weak to speak the truth or too corrupt and are exploiting the grift…..aren’t the solution. I’ll wait for better options…..

AJ_Liberty (a4ff25) — 7/23/2021 @ 5:24 am

@76. “A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions tell me that’s true, but the facts and evidence tell me it is not.” – Ronald Reagan, March, 1987

‘I mean, there’s really just two options. Either, Reagan was unhinged and really didn’t have a good grasp of reality….or he is willing to lie to the very end to continue the con against those that are magnetically drawn to him.’

FIFY.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/23/2021 @ 10:06 am

Either, Reagan was unhinged and really didn’t have a good grasp of reality….or he is willing to lie to the very end

It makes no sense, except if you think he meant that he thought he was helping Iranian moderates gain influence, but it looks like all it boiled down to was trading arms for hostages.

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/23/2021 @ 10:19 am

Iran-Contra was foreign policy run amok….but its goals were to free American hostages in Lebanon using Iran influence and to support insurgents opposing the murderous communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua…and yes, the latter was illegal because of the Boland Amendment….and the former violated Iran trade restrictions. It certainly shouldn’t have happened….and the man at the top always owns it….even if direct evidence of Reagan’s involvement is sketchy at best (most likely he was). But January 6th wasn’t about ideological differences where a President was trying to help American citizen hostages or support anti-communism…..January 6th was more like the Ukrainian shakedown…..it was about Trump’s naked self interest. It was about a vain attempt to short circuit democracy….and to avoid losing to that guy in his basement. There was no nobility of purpose….and in the end, not even a rhetorical acceptance of responsibility.

People do not want their President abusing his power for his own benefit or amusement. Trump is no Reagan…..and Republicans should stop excusing Trump. Reagan-haters are going to hate….Reagan approval rating when leaving office was 63%….Trump’s was 34%…..there’s the verdict

AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/23/2021 @ 11:14 am

@79. even if direct evidence of Reagan’s involvement is sketchy at best…

=yawn=

“President Reagan knew everything,” North wrote. I have no doubt that he was told about the use of the residuals for the Contras and that he approved it. Enthusiastically.” -Oliver North LAT,1-20-91

Own it. If Trump did what Reagan did- he’d have been impeached yet again.

DCSCA (f4c5e5) — 7/23/2021 @ 1:34 pm

President Reagan knew everything,” North wrote. I have no doubt that he was told about the use of the residuals for the Contras and that he approved it. Enthusiastically.” -Oliver North LAT,1-20-91

I don’t believe that at all.

The money never got to the contras by the way. The excuse/reason they gave was that they made a one digit mistake with the account number.

Donald T. Regan, who was familiar with Wall Street auditing, was of the opinion that North and Poindexter intended to pocket the money (some Jan 20, 1989?) But this may be wrong.

Own it. If Trump di

Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/23/2021 @ 2:17 pm

79 AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 7/23/2021 @ 11:14 am

Iran-Contra was foreign policy run amok….but its goals were to free American hostages in Lebanon using Iran influence and to support insurgents opposing the murderous communist Sandinistas in Nicaragua…and yes, the latter was illegal because of the Boland Amendment…

Only for the U.S government and only between October 1, 1984 and Sept 30, 1986.

and the former violated Iran trade restrictions.

Overridden by a Presidential finding.

Poindexter prepared a finding dated Jan 7, 1986 which he had Reagan sign – only to tear it up because Reagan wasn’t ready. Reagan did apporve it at a later meeting Jan 17, 1986.

Casper Weinberger lied in his “contemporaneous” notes which stated Reagan approved it on Jan 7. (and attributed the idea to Israel) Bush was present only at the meeting were it was rejected. Between Jan 7 and Jan 17 the method was changed so that the Defense Dept was not involved.

January 6th was more like the Ukrainian shakedown…..it was about Trump’s naked self interest.

The Ukrainian wasn’t a shakedown until EU Amb Gordon Sondlund made it so. Trump was just not approving aid to Ukraine period Jan 6 was purely a (hopeless)
attempt to short circuit democracy. Trump may not have wanted to try to use it to push Congress, but he didn’t plan it. He had other plans for the day.

Sammy Finkelman (02a146) — 7/23/2021 @ 2:26 pm

Read dark alliance by gary webb and reagan administration’s casey’s secret way to fund the contras.

asset (1a1707) — 7/23/2021 @ 2:32 pm

#76 AJ – Thanks for this quote: “a sacred landslide election victory”.

Sacred? I have never thought that the swamp-dwelling bullfrog knew any more about “sacred” than any other bullfrog, but what a weird word to use in that phrase.

Jim Miller (edcec1) — 7/23/2021 @ 2:46 pm

Trump is saying his victory is sacred – i.e. he can’t give up on it. even if it does him no good.

It’s a lie.

He doesn’t feel that way.

Somewhat similar: “Journalism is sacred work”

Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 7/23/2021 @ 3:23 pm

This is what I need to find. Thank you for sharing!

Things to do (843a1b) — 7/24/2021 @ 5:56 am

“Except for quick action by some capitol police, the mob could have gotten hold of some legislators or staff.”

The ‘legislators or staff’ currently (and previously, let’s all be honest here about what the default attitude toward most legislators among avowed libertarians is) deserve to be treated precisely as the current political prisoners still being held for simple trespass have been treated for the past six months.

Chi variant (7a5ae3) — 7/24/2021 @ 6:25 pm

7/22/2021

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