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5/13/2021

For Liz Cheney, Silence Is Not An Option (ADDED)

Filed under: General — Dana @ 11:09 am



[guest post by Dana]

ADDED: I’m putting these two snippets at the top of the post because I think Rep. Elise Stefanik, who has been voted in to replace Rep. Cheney, makes it clear that the Republican Party will continue to embrace Donald Trump as a “critical part of the Republican team” and as the leader of the Republican Party. It’s a stunning contrast with what Rep. Cheney said below. Moreover, it’s a sad reminder of just how far a once solid, viable party that valued the Rule of Law and founding principles has fallen. Apparently, the Party is no longer concerned with conservatism, given that Club for Growth awarded Stefanik a “35% CFGF lifetime rating, 4th worst in the House GOP”. But hey, Trump.

At the end of the day, the lifelong conservative and Republican who spoke the truth no matter the cost, and who refused to bend her knee to Trump and go along with his big lie was punished by the Party. And yet, the big liar pushing the big lie remains the leader of the Republican Party.

And look who’s feeling pretty smug about the MAGA leadership in the House GOP:

Congratulations to Elise Stefanik for her Big and Overwhelming victory! The House GOP is united and the Make America Great Again movement is Strong!

*****************************************************************

It’s unfortunate that the majority of her colleagues choose to remain deaf, dumb and blind to the very real and long-lasting damage from the threat before us:

For reasons that I don’t understand, leaders in my party have decided to embrace the former President who launched that attack [Jan. 6]. And I think you’ve watched over the course of the last several months, the former President get more aggressive, more vocal, pushing the lie, and I think that’s a really important thing for people to understand. This isn’t about looking backwards. This is about the real-time current potential damage that he’s doing, that he continues to do. It’s an ongoing threat, so silence is not an option.

–Dana

132 Responses to “For Liz Cheney, Silence Is Not An Option (ADDED)”

  1. Courage is in short supply on the right side of the aisle.

    Dana (fd537d)

  2. . This isn’t about looking backwards. This is about the real-time current potential damage that he’s doing, that he continues to do.

    Listen to radio station WABC today at 5 pm EDT

    https://wabcradio.com

    To be rebroadcast at 10 pm.

    You will Donald Trump saying whatever he is going to say. To be followed by the syndicated Mark Levin show.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  3. This is a different question than “should she be the chair of the GOP caucus?” That requires the consent of the governed and she doesn’t have it. But I hope that she shoves this up their asses until they see the error of their ways or are defeated by better Republicans.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  4. Off-topic: CDC now says that the fully-vaccinated can go without masks in most situations. My question: Does this mean that Covid-deniers will start wearing masks in protest?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  5. As long as Trump’s words control a significant base of the GOP voters, GOP politicians have to listen to them. Democracy sucks when a demagogue is acendant, but making demagogues impossible means that authoritarians have no real opposition. For every Trump there is an MLK or Gene McCarthy.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  6. Good for her. Iron Lizzie is now the face of the Dissenting Wing of the GOP, sacrificing her leadership role to stand up against a bully.

    Paul Montagu (26e0d1)

  7. Off-topic: CDC now says that the fully-vaccinated can go without masks in most situations. My question: Does this mean that Covid-deniers will start wearing masks in protest?

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/13/2021 @ 11:32 am

    You mean they’re finally recommending that the shots work? Wow. That’s amazing.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  8. Kevin, Unless they can find a better way to express rage at the people they feel look down on them.

    Time123 (c9382b)

  9. cheney frames a vote to remove her from leadership as embracing trump

    ok

    do those who voted against trump in the election frame their vote as embracing biden harris?

    JF (e1156d)

  10. “For reasons that I don’t understand…”

    Funny how the rest of us do, dear. It’s the singular reason you’ve been jettisoned, Neocon .

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  11. Iron Lizzie is a more a Tin Lzzzy; a rusty relic in the age of Teslas and Titanium Trump.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  12. @9, Some do. Some don’t. Was anyone talking about getting rid of her for non-Trump related reasons?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  13. @12 so, those that voted to remove her from leadership must lay out their reasons else it’s assumed they embrace trump

    even though there’s no indication you or anyone else would accept those reasons at face value

    sure, let’s apply the same to those who didn’t vote for trump at the polls

    so, why did you embrace biden harris?

    JF (e1156d)

  14. Daughter Darth, a Force you couldn’t reckon with has caught up with you-and swopped ends; welcome to 1964, dear:

    https://www.nytimes.com/1964/07/16/archives/nixon-opposes-gop-birchers-but-says-fringe-group-will-pass.html

    History rhymes.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  15. It seems like the Republican Leadership wants to move the conversation away from Trump, while Cheney is focused like a laser on Trump.

    Mike S (4125f8)

  16. JF,I haven’t heard anyone propose a reason for removing her other then Trump. I’ve heard that as the reason from many people. Are there other reasons people have put forward that aren’t about Trump?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  17. Mike, makes sense. The GOP wants to stay close to Trump, but not talk about him. She’s fine talking about him, but wants to actually move away from him. But I could be wrong, Maybe JF will have another explanation.

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  18. Daughter Darth, remember the three “Young Guns?” Kantor, Ryan and McCarthy??

    Which one survives to thrive- and which one sent you to Political Boot Hill to join the others.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  19. @17. Trump is a Hitchcock “McGuffin.”

    It’s the simmering opulism of the 74 million that matter. Daughter Darth is wholly myopic, completely obtuse and utterly tone deaf about it. Such is the mindset of the neocon and devotee to Bill Kristol’s ‘New American Century’ idiocy.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  20. @16 sure you have

    only cheney and her fans have made it about trump

    the decision to remove her from leadership is about cheney, and not embracing her derailment of a united opposition to biden

    JF (e1156d)

  21. Third and final time JF, do you have some non-trump related reason on why she was voted out? If not the evidence that it was about Trump seems pretty compelling.

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  22. @21 i just gave you one @20, in addition to the one from Mike @15, in addition to all the other ones you’ve heard before and ignored

    i get it though

    you’ll keep putting your hands to your ears so you can claim you never got an answer, and so it’s all about embracing trump ya know

    JF (e1156d)

  23. Meanwhile, silence is an option for the Biden Administration. Seems pretty clear from their reticence to answer questions that Colonial paid the ransom after the Biden Administration advised them to do it.

    I guess that “reset” button didn’t work. Maybe Biden should deploy another one. Strange. We heard nothing about how bad Russia was when Trump was president, but now Biden and Co. go strangely silent about this hack.

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  24. We heard nothing but how bad Russia was when Trump was president,

    Hoi Polloi (15cfac)

  25. You mean they’re finally recommending that the shots work? Wow. That’s amazing.

    When you finally admit that you don’t understand what vaccinations are about, we’ll all see how silly your comment is.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. Third and final time JF, do you have some non-trump related reason on why she was voted out? If not the evidence that it was about Trump seems pretty compelling.

    I’ll play: She could not set herself apart from the Caucus and at the same time run it. That is independent of the underlying issues. It’s like being a D.A. but not believe in prosecuting criminals. Oh, wait…

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. Hey Kevin, that’s a reasonable theory. Any public statements from people that it’s what was motivating them? Because everything I’ve seen was about Trump?

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  28. @21 i just gave you one @20, in addition to the one from Mike @15, in addition to all the other ones you’ve heard before and ignored

    i get it though

    you’ll keep putting your hands to your ears so you can claim you never got an answer, and so it’s all about embracing trump ya know

    JF (e1156d) — 5/13/2021 @ 1:33 pm

    You misunderstood, I’m not asking for plausible reasons unsupported by facts. We can list those all day long; because she’s a woman, because her fundraising wasn’t high enough, because her voting record was too conservative, because she supported the the Iraq war. All of those are plausible, but I didn’t see anyone who called for her removal pointing to them as the reason. Also, Mike’s at 15 was about Trump.

    Time123 (ca85c9)

  29. non-trump related reason on why she was voted out:

    She’s a perpetual, warmongering N-e-o-c-o-n.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  30. But mine at 15 was not about voting to impeach Trump, or about opposing the insurrection AT THE TIME. It was about not letting it go 5 months later.

    The GOP needs the Trump voters, and Cheney seems determined to drive them away.

    Mike S (4125f8)

  31. Mike, I understand. But the debate with JF was if removing her from leadership meant embracing Trump. Unless I’m badly misreading you that’s in line with what you’re saying.

    Time123 (653992)

  32. Mr M wrote:

    Off-topic: CDC now says that the fully-vaccinated can go without masks in most situations. My question: Does this mean that Covid-deniers will start wearing masks in protest?

    I am hardly a “Covid-denier,” and got my two Moderna shots on, coincidentally, April Fool’s Day and Cinco de Mayo, but I never wore a mask outside, and only wore one inside if the property owner demanded it. I did everything I could to resist the distinguished Governor of Kentucky’s authoritarian dictates.

    My question now is: since the CDC and the Governor have said that “fully vaccinated” people can dispense with masks, are they going to try to mandate some form of ‘vaccine passports’ to enforce it? Wir müssen Ihre Dokumente sehen.

    The Dana in Kentucky (e9cac9)

  33. If Trump supporters understood that 1 + 1 does not equal Article 11, they would not be Trump supporters.

    nk (1d9030)

  34. President Trump did one thing that Miss Cheney and the rest of the GOP establishment hate: he empowered the conservative populist voters in the GOP. Most of the Republican elites would be perfectly happy with another George Bush, but they are now seeing what the voters want, and that’s why they are going along with it.

    The party are not the leaders; the party are the voters.

    The Dana in Kentucky (e9cac9)

  35. There’s a little French verse that applies generally here:

    Cet animal est très méchant,
    Quand on l’attaque, il se défend.

    (This animal is very wicked,
    When attacked, it defends itself.)

    When Trump attacks Liz Cheney, some think it wicked of her to defend herself.

    When Saddam attacked Kuwait and then refused to keep of the terms of armistice after he was defeated, some think it was wicked of those “neocons” to force him from power.

    When al Qaeda committed the 9/11 attack (after earlier attacks), some think it was wicked of the United States to reply.

    When Putin attacks our interests and values all over the world, some think it wicked of us to want to defend ourselves.

    That kind of argument was often used by the Soviet and Chinese Communists during the Cold War, and had more propaganda success than it should have.

    Finally, this observation: Those making that wicked argument often said “neocons” when they meant conservative Jews.

    And here’s a simple question for Mike S – If Trump attacks Cheney with his endless lies, as he frequently does, is she entitled to reply?

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  36. By the way, if you would like to see a great picture of a RINO, try this search string: “Ramirez cartoon + RINO”.

    The picture I am thinking of came up second when I did that search with Google, just now.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  37. The interview with Trump on radio station WABC 770 on the AM dial today at 5 pm EDT lasted only half an hour. It will be repeated at 10 pm

    https://wabcradio.com

    Rita Cosby asked him leading questions, some of which Trump didn’t pick up on, and most of which he didn’t quite bite. He actually tried ti give truthful, or at least not self promoting, answers to around two thirds of the questions (his feelings etc about seeing X or Y)

    I actually got the feeling he feels his political career is over, and he’s not going to run for president again, maybe because he can’t win, or because he’s too old.

    When the opportunity presented itself, he claimed several times that the election was stolen. In his version of reality, he got 75 million votes, the most of anyone running for president, so presumably by him the cheating was adding votes for Biden, done by ghosts (no one has been accused) who created millions of ghost voters but didn’t bother to fake down ballot races.

    He sounded as if he truly believed it (?!) because when talking about “the border” or immigrants he said that they say that Democrats want extra voters but said he didn’t believe that because the Democrats showed in the last election they didn’t need voters. (words to that effect) He said it was just incompetence.

    Trump said again they’d be happy with his decision, which Rita Cosby and others are taking as a sign he will announce for president eventually, but I think his plans are to endorse somebody else – probably the leader in the polls if he or she is not antagonistic to him. Although it might be a surprise candidate.

    Interestingly, Trump claimed that his best decision on the virus was buying the vaccines before they approved. Had he not done so, he said, they would have begun vaccinating people in October (2021) He said they placed a big bet. He said they had a good idea that the vaccine would probably work (but it was still a gamble)

    (This was also done by several other countries – especially the UK, and Israel – except that Israel was merely following the U.S. lead on many things – and also enrolled its entire population on a study by Pfizer to guarantee getting the vaccine.

    It was done by other countries, but still it’s the case that not every president would have done that. *bought in advance)

    Trump thought the virus could have killed many more people.

    Prompted, he said he recommended the vaccine, – several times – but said it shouldn’t be forced on people and people have a point of view. He also seemed to say that Biden had forgotten at one point that he’d taken the vaccine while Trump was still president (a bit less clear than that)

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  38. My question now is: since the CDC and the Governor have said that “fully vaccinated” people can dispense with masks, are they going to try to mandate some form of ‘vaccine passports’ to enforce it? Wir müssen Ihre Dokumente sehen.

    The Rothschilds’ AI-operated facial recognition technology works just fine with unmasked people. Matching them to the biometric photos that were clandestinely taken of them when they went to get vaccinated. (And tested, BTW.) So it’s the masked people who will be asked to produce identification. Or take off their masks and face the camera.

    nk (1d9030)

  39. nk (1d9030) — 5/13/2021 @ 3:53 pm

    are they going to try to mandate some form of ‘vaccine passports’ to enforce it?

    No, it’s on the honor system. Does not apply to planes, trains and buses. Of course, nothing the CDC says has the force of law.

    In the United States, per the 10th amendment, all residual powers belong to the states (not cities or counties by the way) , which have usually delegated them to the Governor.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  40. When you finally admit that you don’t understand what vaccinations are about, we’ll all see how silly your comment is.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/13/2021 @ 1:38 pm

    I understand just fine. It’s the government and people who afraid that don’t seem to understand.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  41. Mr Finkelman wrote:

    In the United States, per the 10th amendment, all residual powers belong to the states (not cities or counties by the way) , which have usually delegated them to the Governor.

    In the Commonwealth of Kentucky, those powers were delegated to the Governor under KRS 39A. Then when the Honorable Governor Beshear abused his authority, the legislature limited his authority under 39A. The Distinguished Mr Beshear¹ vetoed the legislation, but the General Assembly overrode his vetoes. Our Wonderful Governor then found a Democratic judge to enjoin enforcement of those laws. It seems that the Magnificent Mr Beshear thinks that once delegated, the legislature can no longer undelegate.
    ________________________
    ¹ – I hope that those offended by my past references to our Noble Governor as Reichstatthalter will be mollified that I have chosen much nicer adjectives, and know how sincerely I mean them.

    The Dana in Kentucky (e9cac9)

  42. I was never offended by your term for Beshear, Dana. People take themselves too seriously sometimes.

    By the way, it was great to see most of the 50,000 people at the Derby without masks on.

    norcal (696d0b)

  43. WABC re-running the Trump interview.

    In that interview, Trump said he loved what he is doing – which I interpret to mean he is happy with his life (which would be disturbed by becoming president again. The station didn’t pick up on this.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  44. Except for those who think that no one has gotten the message that

    1) Trump is a low-life,
    2) The GOP is running scared, and
    3) Liz Cheney wants them to stand and fight,

    what is the point here? While we are fighting over the menu, the Democrats are eating our lunch. THEY know what they want to do.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  45. I understand just fine. It’s the government and people who afraid that don’t seem to understand.

    Then you would not be saying the things you say. Vaccination is a gestalt. My vaccination and your vaccination don’t matter unless lots of people are vaccinated. It’s a WE thing, not a ME thing, which you still have not understood.

    What has happened is that adding those who have acquired immunity the hard way, to those vaccinated, we have reached a level of herd immunity (60-70%) that protects vaccinated people adequately; but not the unvaccinated as yet.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. My question now is: since the CDC and the Governor have said that “fully vaccinated” people can dispense with masks, are they going to try to mandate some form of ‘vaccine passports’ to enforce it? Wir müssen Ihre Dokumente sehen.

    The only reason they would is that some fools just won’t do things the easy way. For example, they expose other people to risk as a political statement. YOUR mask was never for you. It was to protect the grandma you coughed on.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  47. Any public statements from people that it’s what was motivating them?

    I got that drift from some of the people who really didn’t want to talk about it. The short version is “you can’t lead the team if you aren’t a team player.”

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  48. She’ll be a stale loaf of pumpernickel a dozen news cycles from now.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  49. Buh Bye Biotch

    mg (8cbc69)

  50. Well, supposedly, the GOP just wants to move beyond talking about Trump, effectively oppose Biden’s agenda, and introduce an alternative that will allow them to win back seats. Everyone needs to be a team player and they cannot afford distractions.

    The only problem with this narrative is that in order to persuade voters, you must convince them that you are straight shooters, honest assessors of facts and evidence, scrupulously attentive to the Constitution and the country’s laws, not just governing what you do but how you do it, and courageous actors seeking to do what is right, even when it is personally difficult. In short, the GOP needs credibility. Cheney wants to address that by addressing the biggest issue, the credibility of its leading voice and his central theme.

    Out of power and neutered by social media, Trump is obviously quieter, but when he is heard from, it’s not about moving forward a Republican agenda or objectively criticizing Biden’s initiatives, rather it’s about stolen elections and personal vendettas. If the party wants to move forward, shouldn’t its presumptive head be leading the way by example? The clear challenge is that 70% of those identifying as Republican agree that the election was likely stolen or, at minimum, that the matter must be thoroughly investigated…I guess again. So, GOP messaging sources are salting the ground and trying to reinvent history by silencing the critics. This pervasive dishonesty is becoming the GOP brand and it’s difficult to win hearts and minds without the power of truth….

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  51. norcal wrote:

    By the way, it was great to see most of the 50,000 people at the Derby without masks on.

    The Honorable Governor Beshear had previously relaxed the mask mandate for outdoor gatherings of 1,000 people or fewer, but that did not apply to the 50,000+ at Churchill Downs.

    The Dana in Kentucky (e9cac9)

  52. It’s amusing to read the arguments here by people insisting that Cheney was removed for reasons other than having the temerity to call Trump’s lies for what they are. Her ousting just makes it crystal clear that kissing Trump’s posterior is essential to maintaining one’s position in the party. She won’t “move on”? The one who won’t “move on” is Trump himself.

    Roger (e34354)

  53. Kevin M @46.

    herd immunity (60-70%) that protects vaccinated people adequately; but not the unvaccinated as yet.

    Herd immunity prevents chains of transmission, which in turn prevents almost all serious cases of this disease, except for when someone with a well developed case coughs onto someone with no immunity. (serious would equal more than two weeks sick at home or worse)

    AS for how well the vaccine works: One problem is that they almost never (not at first anyway) distinguish between mild infections and serious ones. But, as more and more cases occur in a city or region, more and more of them and a higher percentage of them are serious. It is probably not just individual super spreaders. Although maybe it could be that people release more virus into the air.

    There were seven (now eight) New York Yankees coaches and players, all vaccinated with the Johnson and Johnson vaccine, and one of them who on top of that actually had Covid before, who tested positive for Covid. They call them breakthrough cases, but they are probably not extremely rare.

    Six out of the first seven were asymptomatic, which means that the only reason they know s that they were tested for it, because a baseball team tests everyone. The J&J vaccine is of lesser potency or success than even one shot of Pfizer or Moderna. But the J&J completely or almost completely prevented hospitalization. Two shots of Pfizer or Moderna still don’t mean

    The heath experts are semi-ridiculous and don’t think things through. Two international reports were released this week, one or both of which aid they should have cut off travel and locked down sooner. If they had done that they could never ever let it go. You could think you could say maybe after one and a half years, after everyvbody on the world got vaccinated, but the truth is, under current vaccine approval standards, it is mathematically impossible to develop a vaccine unless the diease is allowed to run rampant, somewhere in the world for at least a period of months. For the way they prove a vaccine works is to give half the test group the vaccine (a standardized dose) and half a placebo and then wait and see how many of each group come down with the disease – but if the disease is contained by lockdowns and isolation and PPE, nobody in either group will come down with the disease.

    You could use the presence of antibodies as a metric, but no, they want somethng that is scientifically irrefutable.

    Or you could give pepple challenge tests – injecting them with the virus, and seeing if they get sick, but that is considered unethical, although letting the disease run loose is not.

    They have been too long talking only among themselves, and they are making compromises with reality actually.

    Another thing:

    R0 is considered 2.5 for Covid but to use an average is misleading. (R0 is 15 for measles, but there used to be herd immunity after an epidemic. You needed some 200,000 people on an island for measles to indefinitely maintain itself)

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  54. When Trump was asked on his interview on WABC radio if he would run again, the first thing he said was he loved the life he leads – which means he doesn’t want to or expect to run.

    Trump is interested in getting back on Twitter or the equivalent.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  55. When Trump was asked on his interview on WABC radio if he would run again, the first thing he said was he loved the life he leads – which means he doesn’t want to or expect to run.

    Trump is interested in getting back on Twitter or the equivalent.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 5/14/2021 @ 6:37 am

    Leading is hard. Influencing is easy. And more lucrative.

    Hoi Polloi (121542)

  56. Mike, I understand. But the debate with JF was if removing her from leadership meant embracing Trump. Unless I’m badly misreading you that’s in line with what you’re saying.

    Time123 (653992) — 5/13/2021 @ 2:46 pm

    No, I’m saying it is more about Trump’s voters, not about Trump.

    Mike S (4125f8)

  57. Suzanne Morphew’s husband, accused in her murder, charged with submitting presidential ballot in her name

    “Just because I wanted Trump to win…I know she (Suzanne) was going to vote for Trump anyways,” he told investigators. He also said he thought the “other guys’” were cheating so he would “give him (former president Trump) another vote.”

    https://kdvr.com/news/local/more-charges-filed-against-barry-morphew-after-murder-arrest/

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  58. #35 And here’s a simple question for Mike S – If Trump attacks Cheney with his endless lies, as he frequently does, is she entitled to reply?

    Jim Miller (edcec1) — 5/13/2021 @ 3:17 pm

    Yes. She is absolutely entitled to reply. It would be wise to try to make her point while pissing off as few Trump voters as possible.

    Mike S (4125f8)

  59. I’ve added a few video clips of the new #3 Republican, Elise Stefanik, to the post. In the clips, she confirms that Trump is a “critical part of the Republican team,” and declares that he is the leader of the Republican Party. This while the true conservative is punished for not going along with the big lie and refuses to bow down before the big liar.

    Dana (fd537d)

  60. Hey JF, you should call Rep Stefanik and let her know she’s wrong and this isn’t about Trump.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  61. @58, Mike, I’m not trying to troll you, play dumb, or argue socraticly. I honestly don’t see how that distinction makes much difference and I’d be interested in understanding what I’m missing.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  62. 54.It’s amusing to read the arguments here by people insisting that Cheney was removed for reasons other than having the temerity to call Trump’s lies for what they are. Her ousting just makes it crystal clear that kissing Trump’s posterior is essential to maintaining one’s position in the party. She won’t “move on”? The one who won’t “move on” is Trump himself.

    And it’s hilarious to cling to the belief that Neocon Daughter Darth represented the majority mind set of the GOP. She doesn’t. She represents Wyoming. For now.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  63. I think Rep. Elise Stefanik, who has been voted in to replace Rep. Cheney, makes it clear that the Republican Party will continue to embrace Donald Trump as a “critical part of the Republican team” and as the leader of the Republican Party

    Because, well, he is.

    Denial of Trump’s appeal to GOP voters is not a reasonable position to take. Until those voters (who still have some say in how this country is run) decide that Trump is not part of the way forward, the party they collectively embody will have to respect that decision.

    I don’t think that Cheney says otherwise, actually. What she says is that she abhors Trump, thinks he is toxic to the party, and intends to make that case to her party’s voters. Her perfect right, but she cannot continue as an officer of the party when she is hostile to its current direction. Voters matter in a democratic republic, even when they have their heads up their ass.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  64. It’s amusing to read the arguments here by people insisting that Cheney was removed for reasons other than having the temerity to call Trump’s lies for what they are.

    No, she was removed because being a team leader requires one to be a team player. If they were actually hostile to HER, they’d be kicking her off committees, and they are not doing that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  65. @62 lol she responded to a question specifically about trump

    you guys really don’t like that we don’t share your obsession

    it’s weird

    JF (e1156d)

  66. I find it easy to separate my fairly open hostility to Donald Trump from the issues of Cheney’s leadership position. I’m surprised that so many people think those two things are equivalent.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  67. I’ve updated the post with Trump’s response to the Stefanik vote.

    Dana (fd537d)

  68. It would be wise to try to make her point while pissing off as few Trump voters as possible.

    How do you think she could make the point that the election was not stolen from Trump without pissing off Trump voters? They are overwhelming committed to the proposition that it was, and committed to accepting Trump’s word as the truth on any issue, and great many of them identify being Trump-critical with being anti-American. Saying “Trump is wrong” tends to piss off Trump voters.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  69. I’ll point out that the inability to remove Trump from GOP politics may encourage others to remove him through other means. Crimes such as tax evasion, financial fraud or leading an insurrection, for example. Until the rank & file view him, personally, as toxic and allow the party to separate Trump’s issues from Trump the man, the beatings will continue.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  70. I’ve updated the post with Trump’s response to the Stefanik vote.

    Haven’t read it yet, but I’m betting on self-serving lies.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  71. Rep. Elise Stefanik: “I believe that voters determine the leader of the Republican Party and President Trump is the leader that they look to.”

    Is she wrong? Should the Republican Party ignore their membership? Is it still a political party then?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  72. I’ll point out that the inability to remove Trump from GOP politics may encourage others to remove him through other means. Crimes such as tax evasion, financial fraud or leading an insurrection, for example. Until the rank & file view him, personally, as toxic and allow the party to separate Trump’s issues from Trump the man, the beatings will continue.

    Trumpkins will see criminal charges as confirmation of the “deep state” out to get him. An indictment won’t change any minds, they will simply confirm the views of both sides.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  73. Kevin, it might be philosophical. To me it’s pointless to try and separate the the fact that she wasn’t aligned with the caucus from the thing she wasn’t aligned about. I can see the argument. But it seems like word games intended to obscure the motivating issue, especially since this was the only thing I’ve seen where she’s out of step with conservative thought. On all other issues her track record is better the Rep Stefanic.

    At the end of all this the actions are clear; if you want to be a leader in the GOP you have to let Trump’s lies go unchallenged, if not support them whole heartedly. The GOP is Trump’s party. If you don’t support him over other things there’s no place for you in it.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  74. JF, I don’t see how that makes any difference at all. She made it clear, in her mind Trump is the leader of the GOP in all things. It’s not an obsession to pay attention to the leader of one of the two main parties. Why don’t you just embrace it? You seem devoted to him. Own it and glory in the fact that he was able to crush someone that dared not to glorify your tribe.

    Time123 (daab2f)

  75. Purveyors of negotiable affection, and the currency on the dresser is the Deplorables’ votes and donations. They get paid extra for role-play disguising the commercial nature of the relationship: Charles Bronson and Jill Ireland in “The Mechanic”.

    nk (1d9030)

  76. And, yeah, if they didn’t need Trump’s base, they’d throw him away like a used Kleenex. But whom wouldn’t they? Only the intellectually impecunious would think that makes it “not about Trump”.

    nk (1d9030)

  77. Trumpkins will see criminal charges as confirmation of the “deep state” out to get him.

    It’s bizarre how many people adopted Trump’s own view that no charge against him can be morally or legally valid, but only the result of a vicious, baseless hatred or a criminal conspiracy against him — and against “74 million Americans who voted for him!!!”

    People I had thought intelligent basically turned Donald Trump into their measure of rectitude in governance, viewing any agent of government not totally in his corner as ipso facto corrupt. No matter how solid the evidence against Trump, they think the real evil is exposing it and holding him accountable.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  78. 74. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/14/2021 @ 10:47 am

    Trumpkins will see criminal charges as confirmation of the “deep state” out to get him.

    Or partisan Democrats.
    In ew York they seem to have hit upon an unusual angle.

    Trump, or the Trump organization paid private school tuition for the grandchild of, Allen H. Weisselberg. an important person working for Trump. (and possibly some others)

    Q. Shouldm’t income tax have been paid for that “fringe benefit?”

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/13/nyregion/trump-employee-gifts.html

    He’s the one who didn’t pay taxes on it, but they are trying to build a case against Trump.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  79. I think what Trump is likely to do is, sometime between the November 2022 election and March 2023, and most likely near the end of that period, attempt to anoint a successor, after a big build-up in which he will let the media believe he’s going to announce the beginning of his candidacy for the presidency in 2024.

    Everybody thinks he is going to run but I think he’s going to fool people.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  80. Is she wrong? Should the Republican Party ignore their membership? Is it still a political party then?

    Apparently to the minority Lincoln Project devotees, the Charens, Goldbergs, Frenchs and assorted NR types, she certainly is, because it is their “tale” which no longer wags the dog.

    Glorious.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  81. There’s been no comparable post-presidency figure in American politics since Andrew Jackson.

    Well, maybe to some degree, Theodore Roosevelt. (although he lost his bid for renomination in 1912, because Taft now controlled the party machinery, and a neutral figure got the nomination in 1916, he was the favorite for the 1920 nomination when he died suddenly in January, 1919.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  82. Nobody ever has promoted so much nonsense.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  83. Or partisan Democrats.

    There are Republicans who used to talk about how crooked Donald Trump’s business practices have been, and how generally dishonest and callous he is. Then they went all in for Trump – and started saying that anyone who still speaks the way they used to speak about Trump is either a lefty partisan or a “deep state” hack. Even when Trump’s own words incriminate him, they’ll find a way to sanitize it all and huff about how mean Trump’s enemies are being.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  84. 80.

    From the New York Times:

    Fringe benefits are special perks employers give to their employees such as cars, flights and club memberships. In general, those benefits are taxable, though there are some exceptions. Companies are typically responsible for withholding such taxes from an employee’s paycheck.

    If a review of Mr. Weisselberg’s business or personal affairs uncovered tax evasion or any other wrongdoing, the prosecutors could then use that finding to press him to cooperate as they seek further information about the Trump Organization’s financial history. When seeking to turn an insider into a cooperating witness, prosecutors often seek leverage over the person, including any evidence of past wrongdoing, and then typically offer leniency in exchange for testimony or assistance.

    Mary E. Mulligan, a lawyer for Mr. Weisselberg, declined to comment, as did the Trump Organization, though in the past Mr. Trump has claimed the investigation is a politically motivated fishing expedition. A spokesman for Mr. Vance, a Democrat, also declined to comment.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  85. The powers that be have agreed on a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan 6th event. 5Ds and 5Rs, appointed by respective House and Senate leadership. Anyone want to bet on Cheney being a member? How about the Honorable Marjorie Taylor Greene?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  86. There’s been no comparable post-presidency figure in American politics since Andrew Jackson.

    Jackson served two terms, utterly changed the political system (for the better), and got his hand-picked successor installed. Say what you want about him, he wasn’t incompetent, like Mr Born-on-Third-Base.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  87. But it seems like word games intended to obscure the motivating issue

    I suggest that your viewpoint is different. A practical politician views mechanisms and issues as fully separate things. A voter doesn’t usually.

    I have had the opportunity to be a member of an assembly for several years, then later chairing the same assembly. It’s so utterly different a perspective that It’s hard to put into words, but managing a process and participating in the process are wildly different. From the outside that’s hard to see.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  88. @89, that’s a fair point. Would be interested in further thoughts on it.

    Time123 (cd2ff4)

  89. Section 2 starting on page 5) discusses the exclusions

    https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-prior/p15b–2021.pdf

    This is complicated.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  90. Andrew Jackson was incompetent.

    He created a depression (which started as he left office)

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  91. And the spoils system didn’t change anything for the better.

    He made lots of arbitrary decisions, some of them evil.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  92. Elise Stefanik, “We are unified in working with President Trump.”

    As she takes over the leadership position that Liz Cheney was booted from because she wouldn’t move on from Trump — who is no longer the president.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  93. You will Donald Trump saying whatever he is going to say. To be followed by the syndicated Mark Levin show.

    Actuaally the interview was over at 5:30 so there was a dscussion (technically the John Catzimedes show) for half an hour.

    In the 10:00 hour the station did not start the rerun until some time past the start of the program at 19:06 (after the news)

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  94. Andrew Jackson was incompetent.

    He got done everything he wanted done. He brought the franchise to all white males over 21, which was an incredible change that left the country far more democratic than before. That many were still excluded does not change that. He utterly broke the power of the planters and the Boston aristocracy. He wrung corruption out of the federal government, although his “spoils system” later brought it back.

    He failed at some things, notably the election of Supreme Court justices, presidential term limits and the abolition of the Electoral College. But then only one of those has happened since.

    The Panic of 1937 was caused, in part, by some of his policies that favored western banks, which they lent money loosely, and by his veto of the Secnod Bank of the United States reauthorization, but that veto was going to happen after the bank’s directors took sides against him in the 1832 election.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  95. who is no longer the president.

    Neither are Presidents Carter, Clinton, Bush or Obama, yet we still speak of them as President ____.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  96. She’s kind of like the Regional leader of the Baptist church deciding He never liked Moses the murderer and David the murdering philanderer on principle and wants their words and deeds not to be taught from the pulpit.
    Thats fine, but this is the Baptist church and you are welcome to attend, but we aren’t letting you do leadership anymore.

    steveg (ebe7c1)

  97. 87.The powers that be have agreed on a bipartisan commission to investigate the Jan 6th event

    Pfft. Royalists gotta royal.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  98. Neither are Presidents Carter, Clinton, Bush or Obama, yet we still speak of them as President ____.

    Show us where any current congressional leaders have declared that their party is “unified around working with President Carter / Clinton / Bush / Obama.” Or have pronounced any of those people to be “a critical part of our team” or “the undisputed leader” of the party.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  99. … all while saying it was necessary to kick someone else out of leadership because she wouldn’t stop talking about those guys.

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  100. The falsehoods continue:

    Fact-check: Stefanik wrongly says US recently saw ‘worst jobs report in over 20 years’

    In accepting her new position to replace Liz Cheney as conference chair of the Republican party, Rep. Elise Stefanik went after President Joe Biden and what she called his “far-left radical socialist policies.”

    Stefanik argued that because of Biden, the US is in an economic crisis and has just experienced the worst jobs report in two decades.

    “We see the worst jobs report in over 20 years,” Stefanik said in reference to the April jobs report released last Friday. “Unemployment is up, small businesses are struggling to hire workers.” The New York congresswoman suggested that Biden’s extension of unemployment benefits bears some responsibility for the alleged crisis.

    Facts First: It is simply untrue that the April jobs report is the worst in two decades. Just over one year ago, the US economy experienced its largest one-month decline in job numbers in recorded history. The most recent jobs report did fall significantly below forecasts but is in no way the “worst jobs report in over 20 years,” or even the past year.

    In April 2020, the US economy lost 20.5 million jobs, following a loss of 870,000 jobs in March of that year. This was far and away the most significant decrease since the US began tracking the number in 1939.

    Since then, when the unemployment rate hit 14.7%, the US has added jobs back to the economy with the exception of December 2020, when the economy lost 140,000 jobs.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  101. @102 bullcrap

    “worst” is a subjective term, and stefanik stated what she meant quite clearly

    unemployment up while businesses struggle to find workers

    that’s clearly a government problem, except to biden who lies about it and cnn which won’t factcheck him

    but this isn’t about biden, because we so desperately want it to be about trump

    JF (e1156d)

  102. She’s kind of like the Regional leader of the Baptist church deciding He never liked Moses the murderer and David the murdering philanderer on principle

    Actually, she’s more like the regional leader who’s saying that a murdering philanderer should not right now be the undisputed leader of the Baptist Church, while the other Baptists are saying “Why are you so hateful toward our great murdering philanderer?”

    Radegunda (aea52f)

  103. “unemployment up while businesses struggle to find workers”

    Unemployment is not up.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  104. Or is “up” also subjective here?

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  105. @105 “The unemployment rate rose to 6.1% in April, up from 6% a month earlier”

    i read the article for you

    JF (e1156d)

  106. Good point. When I hear “unemployment rose 0.1%” I definitely think “this is the worst job report in 20 years.”

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  107. your fact-check takedown failed miserably

    maybe that should prompt you to actually read the article

    but you do you

    “Oxford Economics, an economic forecasting firm, called the miss in forecast predictions for April “one of the largest on record,” and was the biggest miss in expectations since Refinitiv, a financial data provider, started recording that data in 1999.”

    JF (e1156d)

  108. Indeed, the downside miss of the consensus forecast for April’s payroll gain was one of the largest on record. The shortfall also shored up the case for Biden’s expansive fiscal plans, lessening fears that the economy is on the verge of overheating.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  109. I read the article for you

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  110. you could’ve just shortened @110 to “hey, sorry bro”

    JF (e1156d)

  111. Hey, sorry, Bro. I didn’t realize you and Stefanik were supporting Biden’s fiscal plans.

    Davethulhu (6ba00b)

  112. So now Trump is comparable to Moses and David rolled into one. Nah, that’s not cult worship. Nope, not a wee little it.

    nk (1d9030)

  113. They really give themselves away so easily.

    Police Officer: Sir, do you know know why I stopped you?
    Trump supporter: My girlfriend snitched me out about that pound of meth and Tec-9 in my trunk?
    Police Officer: ….
    Police Officer: No, sir. It’s because I clocked you doing 82 in a 70 mph zone. No worries, I’ll just write you a warning this time. I’ll be right back.
    Police Officer: ….
    Police Officer: 92!
    Dispatcher: 92?
    Police Officer: Request backup, Code 2, at mile marker 41 past the Janesville onramp Eastbound on 94.
    Dispatcher: 10-4, 92. All units, officer needs assistance, Code 2, mile marker 41 ….

    nk (1d9030)

  114. @114. Nah, that’s not cult worship. Nope, not a wee little it.

    Cult? Pray tell…

    ‘[T]he cult of Ronald Reagan also came mostly after his time in office, when his administration was adopted by many conservative and right-wing personalities as being the “last good time” in recent American history.’ -source, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cults_of_personality#United_States

    Reaganoptics.
    Reaganaurics.
    And, of course, Reaganomics…

    “Wee” indeed:

    “Senator, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.” – Fletcher [John Vernon] ‘The Outlaw Josey Wales’ 1976

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  115. Donald Trump is to Ronald Reagan what Chelsea Manning is to George S. Patton, and nobody equates Reagan with Moses and David.

    nk (1d9030)

  116. “Senator, don’t piss down my back and tell me it’s raining.” – Fletcher [John Vernon] ‘The Outlaw Josey Wales’ 1976

    No fooling?

    nk (1d9030)

  117. You know that the supposed Colt Walker Dragoons that Clint Eastwood was flipping around in that movie like they were hard rubber movie props weighed 4.5 lbs each in real life, right? So that movie might not be your best source of quotes about “pissing on legs” (the authentic version of the quote).

    Rooster Cogburn : Why, by God, girl, that’s a Colt’s Dragoon! You’re no bigger than a corn nubbin, what’re you doing with all this pistol?

    Mattie Ross : It belonged to my father, he carried it bravely in the war, and I intend to kill Tom Chaney with it if the law fails to do so.

    Rooster Cogburn : Well, this’ll sure get the job done if you can find a fence post to rest it on while you take aim.
    — True Grit (1969)

    nk (1d9030)

  118. The shortfall also shored up the case for Biden’s expansive fiscal plans, lessening fears that the economy is on the verge of overheating.

    You cannot shore up a cave-in. Biden’s plan, which is to print his way out of recession and inflate the debt to something reasonable (think 20% inflation for a decade, while keeping it in control), is sheer lunacy. Keynes would be the first to tell him that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  119. Donald Trump is to Ronald Reagan what Chelsea Manning is to George S. Patton

    I have this picture of Patton confronted with Chelsea Manning and slowly coming to understand that something like that is even possible.

    Donald Trump is to Richard Nixon as John Dillinger is to Honest Abe.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  120. There is a reason the Democrats passed Biden over so many times. They knew what a fraud he was. He only got in this year because everyone they had was worse.

    Not that this means Trump was preferable. Both parties have failed utterly two elections running, but sadly they could not both lose.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  121. If Republicans want to win elections they can’t piss off the Trump supporters, at least not anytime soon.

    Here is the central dilemma:

    Push back against the “stolen” election lie, and Trump will weigh in, with the result that you will lose the votes of many of his followers.

    Parrot the lie, and the foundation of our republic is weakened. (Yes, many Democrats claimed that the Presidential elections in 2000 and 2016 were illegitimate, but does blowing another hole in the foundation help?)

    I suggest the answer is to thread the needle. Be neither Liz Cheney nor Marjorie Taylor Greene. Just focus on current issues and ignore Trump. If Trump attacks you, give an ambiguous response such that neither pro-Trump nor anti-Trump groups get riled up.

    Tell me where I’m wrong.

    norcal (01e272)

  122. @117/@121 ROFLMAOPIP

    Let’s see what Reagan.com has to say about it:

    https://www.reagan.com/ronald-reagan-vs-donald-trump-similarities-and-differences

    “Shortly after Trump’s tenure began, he went to work on an issue that also resonated with Ronald Reagan: government deregulation. Headlines touting that Trump undertakes most ambitious regulatory rollback since Reagan rankled liberals but energized conservatives who had been anxious for a president with the same passion that Ronald Reagan had for removing big government from Americans’ daily lives. Trump and Reagan both understood that bureaucratic red tape that regulates so many industries deprives Americans of job opportunities and stagnates the economy.

    The Trump and Reagan similarities encompass many other policy issues: Both have backed religious freedom, invested heavily in building a strong military, pioneered tax cuts to invigorate job growth and put money back in the pockets of working-class Americans and have supported limiting entitlement programs in favor of back-to-work and job-readiness initiatives. Underlying nearly all of their domestic and international positions has been a shared belief in the “America first” approach—that, first and foremost, the government should be investing in ways to keep the country safe, prosperous and growing.” – source, Reagan.com

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  123. @119. Wee. Point made.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  124. 120. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 5/14/2021 @ 7:20 pm

    Biden’s plan, which is to print his way out of recession and inflate the debt to something reasonable (think 20% inflation for a decade, while keeping it in control), is sheer lunacy. Keynes would be the first to tell him that.

    Maybe that might be a plan somebody else thinks Biden, or one of his economic advisers has, but I don’t think that’s Biden’s “plan” Have you heard or read anybody actually say that?

    His plan seems to be for 2% – maybe up to 4% – inflation and real economic growth of at least 3.5% a year – and he’d really like to see 6% or 7%.

    I know that doesn’t make the debt shrink in proportion to GDP as much as 20% inflation, but he has no plan to shrink the debt.

    He thinks throwing money out the door can increase economic growth especially if some of t is to support there’s new technology, like “green” jobs..

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  125. Damn Reagan you need to start paying rent at some point.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  126. @127. Hollywood 101, Dustin; pick-up chicks but never pick up a check.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  127. Hollywood 102: Let deceased actors live rent-free in your head ad nauseum.

    norcal (01e272)

  128. Darth Daughter filleted, batter-dipped and deep-fried on SNL.

    “Do you know who my Daddy is?!”

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  129. Some of you just don’t get it. Donald Trump is a vile, pathetic excuse for a man. He lucked into the presidency by utterly corrupting the RNC for the nomination and running against an equally vile and pathetic excuse for a woman, only because she ran a particularly bad campaign. So be it.

    He is not, never has been and never will be a conservative Republican. He is a complete and utter fraud, which is why I would never even remotely consider ever voting for him for any elected office whatsoever. But do not lump me in with the “Never Trump” crowd, who are a bunch of stupid neo-cons (I don’t like them very much either). My rejection of Trump is for completely different reasons, a particular form of revulsion. I saw him for who he is from the beginning. I knew he was inept and incompetent, but I didn’t imagine he would turn out to be a much worse president than even I thought. Nothing good came out of his presidency, nothing. He is a demagogue and a hate monger, want to be dictator for life. I despise him.

    He cannot get over his loss in the election, poor little thing. However, his bald faced promotion of the Big Lie, that election was stolen or somehow rigged, and his insidious incitement of an angry mob of morbid retards to wage a violent, deadly and destructive attack on the Capitol on January 6–five dead, over a hundred wounded, several seriously, $30 million in property damage caused by pipe bombs–was traitorous and treasonous. He should be exiled, if not hung in public, suffer a fate far worse than death. There is no excuse for anything like that, none, and his incipit involvement should be condemned in no uncertain terms to high heaven by every true American and real patriot. That current Republican leadership continues pitifully to embrace this decrepit demagogue, pretentiously promote the Big Lie, and ignorantly attempt to whitewash the insurrection as some sort of peaceful protest by tourist patriots is pathetic. It is poisonous to the republic and a serious threat to American democracy. They should all be condemned to high heaven as well and immediately thrown out of office in urgent recall elections by every state, assuming there are any true Americans and real patriots left in this rotting republic.

    I’m serious. Trump and these rancid Republicans must be condemned, persecuted and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, if the GOP (Grotesquely Obsequious Panty-waste) is to have any, even a sliver, of hope to remain a viable political presence in this country, and if this country is to survive. They are in willful violation of their sworn oath to protect the Constitution and defend the rule of law! It is stunningly recalcitrant and repugnant. These people and their foolish followers, what a waste of humanity they are. Refuse, vile, smelly, stinky refuse, that’s what they are. Hogs niggling in bovine excrement and horse urine would appear as paragons of virtue compared to them. Enough! Enough, I say. Have them drawn, quartered and disemboweled, make them cry, plead for mercy before a cheering council of real Americans and true patriots, then give them a kiss and cast them into hell. Laugh at their demise. That’s what I say.

    Representative Liz Cheney essentially said the same, though not as graphically but more politely, in her final address to the House of Representatives. I watched her speech on CNN, and honestly she was quite impressive. She basically said, the Big Lie is a lie. Rewriting the history of January 6 is dishonest and immoral. That members of Congress have sworn an oath to protect the Constitution and defend the rule of law, and, without naming names, that some members are in violation of their oath and they have a responsibility to speak the truth to the American people. Then she said that Donald Trump and the Big Lie is a serious threat to the republic and American democracy and is flaunting and undermining the rule of law, as are those who repeat his false claims.

    She spoke calmly, with resolution. She didn’t make her speech a personal attack. She simply spoke the truth. I thought, good for her. Maybe the lost leadership will listen now. She can save them from themselves and reground the party in reality.

    Of course, that didn’t happen. The rancid Republican lost leadership can’t have that, someone in a high position exposing them as the hypocrites they are to the people they supposedly represent, and soon began attacking her, personally. Calling her all sorts of names, making false accusations against her, for daring to not follow them along in their pretentious parroting of the Big Lie, and their woefully willful violation of their oath to office and the American people, the Constitution and the rule of law. They can’t have that. They do not want to be exposed to the people for what they are, sniveling cowards, hypocrites, bending their knee to a malignant narcissist, worshipping him over their political graves. Everyone knows it and so do they. They just can’t admit it in their delusion. They really believe they’re doing what’s best for the party, or themselves actually.

    It’s macabre. Grotesque. It is so nonsensical. It’s like they’re possessed by a demon, or something evil. They are willingly submitting themselves to an anti-Christ! It’s pathetic. It’s dishonorable and shameful. How they snivel on their knees, desperately kissing the fake gold ring of a false god. It’s pitiful and disgusting. It fills my mouth with vile and savage fury. I spit on their false shallow faces. They are beyond reproach, worth nothing but indignation.

    These rancid Republicans, they stripped Representative Cheney of her position as quickly as they could. They had to! They resoundingly cast her aside, as if she was getting in their way. That was a mistake, a big mistake. And they will find out soon enough, if they’re deluded minds are capable of understanding. She has more power now. Not over the lost leadership, but over the people. They will listen to her. And Representative Adam Kissinger, bless his soul.

    I would be furious, but I am happy. I am, I’m happy these rancid Republicans are so stupid. They just wrote their own political death sentences, without realizing it. I think it’s funny, and it makes me laugh. I know America will survive and prosper. I know it. This pandemic will pass, and this economy will recover. Biden may not be the best president to guide us, but he’s a hell of a lot better than Trump. He’s not a treasonous traitorous bastard, like him. Some of you just don’t get it, but you will. It makes me laugh, and I can’t wait to vote against the rancid Republicans.

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  130. …and no Cecily Strong as your beloved?

    urbanleftbehind (ff6975)


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