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10/2/2020

Trump Leaves White House for Walter Reed

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 5:43 pm



New York Times:

President Trump received a promising experimental drug to treat Covid-19 on Friday, according to a memo from his doctor, and later went to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center for what was expected to be a stay of a few days.

In a brief video message the president tweeted shortly after arriving at Walter Reed, he looked tired. He declared that he is “doing very well” and suggested that he was visiting the hospital only as a precaution.

. . .

The president has a low-grade fever, nasal congestion and a cough, according to two people close to Mr. Trump.

Jim Acosta has a concerning report about the president having trouble breathing:

I think we have to take media reports with a grain of salt. As Allahpundit has said many times, the problem we have is the problem of the two unreliable narrators. One, Trump, downplays coronavirus news to avoid panic. The other, Big Media, may have a tendency to sensationalize for eyeballs.

In the end, we must remain patient.

UPDATE: Meanwhile, Mike Lee and Thom Tillis, two members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, have tested positive. Sen. Lee was hugging everyone in creation without a mask at Barrett’s nomination ceremony.

UPDATE x2:

132 Responses to “Trump Leaves White House for Walter Reed”

  1. Trouble breathing is not good, if true.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. UPDATE: Meanwhile, Mike Lee and Thom Tillis, two members of the Senate Judiciary Committee, have tested positive. Sen. Lee was hugging everyone in creation without a mask at Barrett’s nomination ceremony.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  3. Yes, any breathing issue is concerning. I hope he has an easy go of it. It’s incredible how quickly this has spread through the White House:

    In the past 24 hours, the total of confirmed cases now includes President Trump, the first lady, a senior White House aide, two Republican senators who sit on the judiciary committee and the head of the University of Notre Dame.

    All have links to Saturday’s White House event.

    Three White House journalists have also tested positive in the past 24 hours. How many people have these individuals with confirmed cases been in contact with?

    Dana (292df6)

  4. UPDATE x2:

    Patterico (115b1f)

  5. The price of wellness is internal (sic) vigilance.

    They were politically predisposed to treat Covid lightly, and got even more lackadaisical as time went on.

    nk (1d9030)

  6. “The President is strong, healthy and fit.” – “Doctor” Sean Hannity, 2 AM, EDT, October 2, 2020

    “Nothing to see here. Move along. Move along.” – Frank Drebin [Leslie Nielsen] ‘The Naked Gun: Files from Police Squad’ 1988

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  7. The way I see it, this goes one of three ways:

    1. Trump has minor symptoms, he comes back and is able to show everyone that COVID is not as bad as Biden and the Democrats say. Advantage: Trump

    2. Trump has major symptoms and has trouble recovering. Biden and the Democrats point out that COVID is as dangerous as they say. Advantage: Biden.

    3. Trump dies from COVID. Pence is now the Republican nominee for president. Biden’s camp has to pivot to a whole new candidate, who is nothing like Trump. Pence, though, has to run for president the first time with only a month before Election Day. Advantage: who knows?

    Hoi Polloi (dc4124)

  8. I think we have to take media reports with a grain of salt.

    And w/a Diet Coke chaser 😉

    CNN reports Trump is on ‘experimental drug.’

    A mix of sodium hypochlorite, sodium chloride, sodium carbonate, sodium chlorate, sodium hydroxide, sodium polyacrylate and water, perhaps?

    You know it as Clorox.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  9. If two or more GOP Senators test positive, McConnell may have to delay the vote on Ms. Barrett until enough folks get out of quarantine.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  10. Mark Steyn brought up a salient point on Tucker Carlson’s show. He was very close to Boris Johnson at one time and he is insistent that BJ has changed since he fought the Covid. Granted, BJ was hit very hard and we don’t know what it has in store for DJT.

    Yet the question of vigor is rather large. Nobody has ever seen a reduced DJT. Ever. Could we be in for the alltime most ironic twist in presidential electoral history with a more vigorous Biden winning on that basis?

    The other thing that has struck me is the virtual silence as to Melania’s illness. She has remained in the White House. What are the reasons for this disparate approach/treatment? With alllll the repetitive extemporaneous speechifying by the various reporters, no references to our FLOTUS? I would think any new data points would be welcomed by those stuck saying nothing of note for hours on end.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  11. The president has a low-grade fever, nasal congestion and a cough, according to two people close to Mr. Trump.

    It’s just the flu.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  12. Yeah, Acosta has a “Trump advisor” as a source. Who believes that. Maybe it’s the bathroom attendant.

    beer ‘n pretzels (8608d7)

  13. Trouble breathing is not good, if true.

    If you are ever waiting in an ER, and you say “I am having trouble breathing” you win triage.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  14. Trump dies from COVID. Pence is now the Republican nominee for president.

    Those are not the RNC rules. There is a selection process at that point, and they may well pick someone else.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  15. Yeah, Acosta has a “Trump advisor” as a source

    Define “Trump advisor.” I’m sure Pelosi has offered advice.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  16. Wht coincidence: Joe Biden had his brain surgeries at Walter Reed.

    Remember when LBJ showed the press his gall bladder surgery scar? Show us your brain surgery scars, Joe.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. The “experimental drug”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/REGN-COV2

    REGN-COV2 is an experimental drug developed by the American biotechnology company Regeneron Pharmaceuticals. It is an artificial “antibody cocktail” designed to produce resistance to the SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus responsible for the COVID-19 pandemic. It consists of a mixture of two monoclonal antibodies, REGN10933 and REGN10987. The combination of several antibodies is intended to prevent mutational escape.

    As of September 2020, REGN-COV2 is being evaluated as part of the RECOVERY Trial.

    Regeneron has a deal in place with Hoffmann-La Roche to manufacture and market REGN-COV2 outside the United States.

    Regeneron Pharmaceuticals provided “a single 8 gram dose of REGN-COV2″ in response to a “compassionate use” request from the president’s physicians after President Donald Trump tested positive for COVID-19.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  18. 8 grams is a lot of dose.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  19. Regeneron Pharmaceuticals provided “a single 8 gram dose of REGN-COV2″ in response to a “compassionate use” request from the president’s physicians after President Donald Trump tested positive for COVID-19.

    That’s why he’s in the hospital. They’re not going to give him an experimental drug at home. And that should answer Ed’s question about Melania too.

    nk (1d9030)

  20. Herman Cain was a wealthy man, and presumably had access to the best medical care. It gives me pause.

    norcal (a5428a)

  21. And that should answer Ed’s question about Melania too.

    Won’t Trump share?

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  22. Melania reportedly ‘has a headache.’

    Wonder how many times The Donald has heard that one?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  23. @19 NK What is Melania, chopped liver? I get that the toned and younger Melania has a phenomenal expectation of a good outcome. Why not give her the best of the best treatment regimens?

    So, why so aggressive with DJT, who has been hailed by his physician as of his last physical as a particularly robust man?

    Where is the curiosity from our intrepid press corps?

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  24. Melanie is a disposable accessory.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  25. Melania. Darn autocorrect.

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  26. Why not give her the best of the best treatment regimens?

    The jury is still out on the Regeneron drug. It is still only experimental. I wonder if Trump made them pay an endorsement fee before he agreed to have his name associated with it? 😉

    Melania and her doctors may otherwise feel that she is getting all the care she needs at home, without lying in a hospital with a needle in her arm and peeing in a bottle (they do that even if you can go the bathroom so they can monitor the urine).

    nk (1d9030)

  27. What is Melania, chopped liver? I get that the toned and younger Melania has a phenomenal expectation of a good outcome. Why not give her the best of the best treatment regimens?

    Gee whiz, maybe Melania said she didn’t want to have the treatment. She’s a grown woman with agency, and could have said no – with or without her doctor’s blessing. She’s only 50 years old and obviously physically in very good shape and takes care of herself. She’s not a 74-year old obese man with high blood pressure.

    Dana (292df6)

  28. Breaking: Kelly Anne Conway test positive for Covid 19. S

    She was at the SCOTUS event last Saturday.

    Typhoid Amy strikes again!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  29. @27 Dana – Thanks for dotting the i on the point I was making with the Melania observation. There is something not good which is being withheld from us. The docs suspect or fear something they are not publicly owning.

    And no, I am not arguing that we are entitled to know such. Not at this point, for sure. I’ll be quite happy if my suspicion is a big, fat, nothingburger.

    Ed from SFV (f64387)

  30. Three White House journalists have also tested positive in the past 24 hours. How many people have these individuals with confirmed cases been in contact with?

    Dana (292df6) — 10/2/2020 @ 5:51 pm

    Weren’t they wearing masks???

    BuDuh (e749c6)

  31. @30 I believe Dana was countering your point, not dotting the i.

    norcal (a5428a)

  32. Lemme ax you, Ed. Would you share your medical care with people who write or read this kind of stuff:

    Dream Kardashian, 3, Gets So Excited WhenShe Gets The Answer Right At ‘CousinPreschool’ — Watch

    nk (1d9030)

  33. Kellyanne Conway tests positive too:

    Tonight I tested positive for COVID-19. My symptoms are mild (light cough) and I’m feeling fine. I have begun a quarantine process in consultation with physicians.

    As always, my heart is with everyone affected by this global pandemic. Red heart

    Dana (292df6)

  34. I believe Dana was countering your point, not dotting the i.

    norcal is correct about this, Ed from SFV.

    Dana (292df6)

  35. Trump’s WH was a target-rich environment as soon as the virus got inside.

    There was an interesting article on Putin’s apparently extremely robust precautions that came out on the morning before Trump’s positive test.

    Russians Were Urged to Return to Normal Life. Except for Putin.

    Russian journalists who cover Mr. Putin have not seen him up close since March. The few people who meet him face-to-face generally spend as much as two weeks in quarantine first. The president still conducts his meetings with senior officials — including with his cabinet and his Security Council — by video link from a spartan room in his residence outside Moscow, which has been outfitted with Ms. Izranova’s disinfectant tunnel.

    Sounds almost … Biden-like, doesn’t it?

    Proof once again that, unlike his special friend Donald Fyodorovna, Vladimir Vladimirovich is nobody’s fool.

    Dave (1bb933)

  36. For Kellyanne, I do feel bad. She has young children to raise.

    nk (1d9030)

  37. The way I see it, this goes one of three ways:

    1. Trump has minor symptoms, he comes back and is able to show everyone that COVID is not as bad as Biden and the Democrats say. Advantage: Trump

    I’d say his almost immediate, and likely extended, hospitalization already discredits any possible “I was right all along, it’s not even as bad as the flu” narrative.

    Dave (1bb933)

  38. Biden pulling all negative ads

    A Biden campaign official confirmed to NBC News that the campaign is pulling all of its negative advertising from their rotation of paid media. The news comes as the president is transported to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center as a precautionary measure.

    Dave (1bb933)

  39. So many people at Amy’s outing weren’t wearing masks. They have a tight video record of the Rose Garden event and the face-to-face interactions [Kellyanne was literally in the face of Attorney General Barr – it was so ‘intimate’ in discussion it was a memorable visual.] So it should be easier to contact trace the pattern of infection, at least there.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. Biden pulling all negative ads

    For anyone who thinks Trump will reciprocate, I have some 100% guaranteed COVID-free seats to sell you at Trump’s next super-spreader event.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  41. “Weren’t they wearing masks???”

    Masks protect the people around you if you have covid. Surprised you don’t know this after all this time.

    Davethulhu (f7bb9b)

  42. A Biden campaign official confirmed to NBC News that the campaign is pulling all of its negative advertising from their rotation of paid media. The news comes as the president is transported to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center as a precautionary measure.

    A good move. Compared to Trump mocking Hillary for getting sick during their campaign, a great move.

    Weren’t they wearing masks???

    BuDuh (e749c6) — 10/2/2020 @ 7:31 pm

    Stop spreading misinformation. Masks are to protect others. Don’t ask what a mask can do for you. Ask what a mask can do for your country. It is actually a legitimate complaint that Trump’s confused COVID response got a lot of people sick lately. They even hid awareness of the start of the spread again.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  43. @39. Don’t change the subject w/a head fake! Let’s see Biden’s brain surgery scars from his operations at Walter Reed! 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. My mask protects you.

    Your mask protects me.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  45. My N95 mask protects both of us.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  46. Allahpundit and several MD’s opine that you don’t use the President of the United States as a guinea pig for an experimental treatment if he only has “minor symptoms”.

    We’ll see what happens.

    Dave (1bb933)

  47. I’m wondering why and how the White House, Congress, all the staff and the media have access to rapid return tests while all the rest of us do not.

    https://reason.com/2020/10/02/its-way-past-time-for-the-rest-of-us-to-get-the-same-access-to-covid-19-testing-that-the-trump-family-enjoys/

    Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1)

  48. Allahpundit and several MD’s opine that you don’t use the President of the United States as a guinea pig for an experimental treatment if he only has “minor symptoms”.

    We’ll see what happens.

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/2/2020 @ 8:31 pm

    Normally I agree, but this is Trump. He likes to think he has better than the rest, so he’s probably not going to accept a regular treatment. They have to wave something shiny.

    And though I don’t subscribe to this theory, it is possible this is all a lie. Trump does lie a lot and he is afraid of the debates.

    I’m with DCSCA on this. Let’s start hassling Biden, since he’s probably going to be president and he does happen to be unfit for office. Where the F are the brain damage scars? The people have a right to know I guess.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  49. I’m with DCSCA on this. Let’s start hassling Biden, since he’s probably going to be president and he does happen to be unfit for office. Where the F are the brain damage scars? The people have a right to know I guess.

    Will you shut up man.

    ;p

    Dave (1bb933)

  50. LOL

    Dustin (4237e0)

  51. Masks are to protect others.

    Has this been verified in a double blind study?

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  52. Has this been verified in a double blind study?

    BuDuh (5f7a1d) — 10/2/2020 @ 8:53 pm

    I want to be friendlier.

    I hope you and BoP are just Biden fanatics deeply invested in making Trump fans look … like you look when you say things like that.

    You sound like Kellyanne Conway demanding someone answer her if they are a doctor, when they say COVID hasn’t been contained. So sure of yourself you seize the Grand Inquisitor role, so we have to satisfy your tests before you agree that water is wet.

    People are getting hurt over this stuff, so come on man.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  53. 1. Trump has minor symptoms, he comes back and is able to show everyone that COVID is not as bad as Biden and the Democrats say. Advantage: Trump

    I worry about this, because if he has minor symptoms and comes back, idiots will conclude COVID is not as bad as Biden and the Democrats say. Trump beating it does not change anything about the 200k+ who have died or the ones who will die going forward — unless it adds to that number through the mechanism you have described.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  54. So, no study…

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  55. Masks are to protect others.

    Has this been verified in a double blind study?

    Masks are to protect others.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  56. According to Trump’s physician Trump is doing well. He is not in need of supplemental oxygen and is getting a dose of remdesivir.

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  57. You sound like Kellyanne Conway demanding someone answer her if they are a doctor, when they say COVID hasn’t been contained. So sure of yourself you seize the Grand Inquisitor role, so we have to satisfy your tests before you agree that water is wet.

    She tested positive too.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  58. According to Trump’s physician Trump is doing well. He is not in need of supplemental oxygen and is getting a dose of remdesivir.

    I would not characterize that as “well” but rather as “not doing horrendously” but I am glad to hear it.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  59. Maybe there was a shortage of masks at Gov. Northam’s offices?

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  60. He is doing typical for a person who has been hospitalized with Covid. Most cases by a long shot never go to the hospital.

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  61. He is doing typical for a person who has been hospitalized with Covid. Most cases by a long shot never go to the hospital.

    Hopefully the hospitalization is prophylactic and would not occur with a normal citizen, because as soon as you are hospitalized (for the normal citizen) at that age with those conditions the survival rate goes down quite a bit.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  62. I hope you and BoP are just Biden fanatics deeply invested in making Trump fans look … like you look when you say things like that.

    Hope is a virtue, but I am not virtuous and I suspect them of being deeply invested in promoting the spread of the disease, as well as wasting Patterico’s bandwidth.

    nk (1d9030)

  63. She tested positive too.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 10/2/2020 @ 9:04 pm

    I guess she was mistaken about it being contained.

    That’s a shame. It’s hit a lot of the White House at the worst moment for them. The subject had shifted, but we’re all thinking about the pandemic when we think of Trump, like we should.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  64. One of his conditions is that he is not in need of supplemental oxygen. Survival concerns are not on the radar for his situation.

    Full disclosure; I spent several days in the hospital due to covid and did require oxygen. My family lived the lives of hermits(is plural allowed for hermit?), full masks when we went out for supplies from places that employed fully masked people. Hand sanitizer, wipe the groceries, etc. Still got it.

    Everyone seems to think that Trump brought this on himself by flouting the science. Maybe. What I see is someone that lived more fully before the inevitable.

    BuDuh (5f7a1d)

  65. I suspect them of being deeply invested in promoting the spread of the disease

    What if it’s not Putin who has the tape? What if it’s some strange alien mother-virus?

    Dustin (4237e0)

  66. Trump campaign manager tests positive for Covid-19

    Donald Trump’s campaign manager has tested positive for Covid-19, dealing another blow to his reelection effort on a day that saw the president and the head of the Republican National Committee report contracting the disease as well.

    Bill Stepien received his diagnosis Friday evening and was experiencing what one senior campaign official described as “mild flu-like symptoms.” People familiar with the situation said the 42-year-old Stepien plans to quarantine until he recovers.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  67. What I see is someone that lived more fully before the inevitable.

    It is so weird that you guys get starry eyes for any politician. Obama girl, but for Trump? Insane.

    He hasn’t lived more fully than others. This is a man who never won a fight, never really earned friendship with a fellow man through loyalty or adventure, never served in a good military unit, never put a bad guy where he belonged, never saved the day, hands on. He’s never changed a motor. He’s never turned someone around by mentoring them. He is deeply in debt, has to lie about himself, tell us who he wishes he had been, every day. He even tries to fool us about having a woman who loves him. It isn’t like he can hop in his Ferrari and go get an ice cream cone. He is a prisoner.

    Do not elevate him as your role model by buying lottery ticket. You want a home of laughter, not a house of golden chandeliers.

    When Biden pushed Trump, just a little push, at the right moment, with a “do it” Trump pushed back.
    He let us know those Proud Boys are ready to tear it up. Trump will show us. That’s not Hugh Heffner. That’s Jared Loughner. That’s not how a fulfilled person thinks.

    lived the lives of hermits(is plural allowed for hermit?), full masks when we went out for supplies from places that employed fully masked people. Hand sanitizer, wipe the groceries, etc. Still got it.

    I don’t want to call BS. Everyone I know who stayed distanced and did curbside or delivery for stuff, has stayed healthy. But if you have a family, and they are moving around, it can happen. I’m sorry you went through it. But I disagree with your implication that taking things seriously is useless.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  68. Jennifer ‘Vote Early’ Rubin
    @JRubinBlogger

    with Trump seriously ill why is Pence traveling ANYWHERE??
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    He’s going by motorcade. It’s fine.

    __

    harkin (902cc1)

  69. Chris Christie tested positive too. Also, apparently that idiot was prepping Trump for the debate and so was Giuliani. No wonder Trump did so badly! They are ass-kissers!

    Jennifer ‘Vote Early’ Rubin
    @JRubinBlogger

    with Trump seriously ill why is Pence traveling ANYWHERE??
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    He’s going by motorcade. It’s fine.
    __

    harkin (902cc1) — 10/2/2020 @ 9:45 pm

    I read a few Rubin tweets today and she’s worse than ever. Just unhinged. But she’s got a point on this. Pence is the Vice President. If he’s not sick, he should try to stay very isolated, since so many around the White House are sick. It could make a big difference if Trump is incapacitated, if Pence is also sick. This is common sense.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  70. I don’t think we know about Chris Christie yet.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  71. My idea of living life more fully is not brunch at Denny’s. It’s more along the lines of Kellyanne quitting her job to raise her kids. But different people have different priorities.

    nk (1d9030)

  72. I don’t think we know about Chris Christie yet.

    Patterico (115b1f) — 10/2/2020 @ 10:02 pm

    My mistake. This is a popular rumor online, but it’s not confirmed.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  73. What I see is someone that lived more fully before the inevitable.

    You mean like Teddy Roosevelt?

    Rip Murdock (1b7516)

  74. Remarkable:

    Masks were required at the presidential debate. A doctor approached the Trump family to remind them of the rules and offer masks but was declined. “That’s all you can do,” a debate staffer told the doctor

    Dana (292df6)

  75. @52. LBJ’s gallbladder scar won a lot of sympathy– escially when he flashed it for the cameras. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  76. Drama, drama, drama.

    Are you not entertained?!

    You may spin for your politics, but to your own self, be true: you will miss this show when it’s gone.

    Remember— the ‘no miracle is coming’ show has all the entertainment appeal of a kidney stone.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  77. Donald Trump Oct. 2, 2014:

    The Ebola patient who came into our country knew exactly what he was doing. Came into contact with over 100 people.Here we go-I told you so!

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  78. @82. Marla Maples, NY Post, Front Page: February 14, 1990

    ‘Marla boasts to her pals abut Donald': “Best Sex I’ve Ever Had.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  79. you will miss this show when it’s gone

    RUFKM? I’d trade all the entertainment value of Trump’s presidency for five minutes of decency from the White House. I’d trade it ten times over for an even chance that what our president tells us about a deadly crisis is true. I’d trade it a thousand times over to get back the squandered life of even one COVID victim.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  80. @81 With all the entertainment options out there, do you really need to get it from the President?

    norcal (a5428a)

  81. @84 Jinx!

    norcal (a5428a)

  82. @84. No; yo’re in mnority–and history is on my side: J.R. Ewing: 14 seasons. Archie Bunker… etc., etc.

    Americans do love their bad boys.

    Never forget-in this era, Americans don’t want to be governed; they wish to be entertained. That’s why they miss football. And baseball… and will stomach watching soccer from Ecuador. Or Canadian curling. Or Japanese golf. Or ice truckers. Or the Kardashians.

    They wish to be entertained. An you can thank you know who for that:

    Reaganoptics:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  83. DCSCA,

    I have to think you for something. It is now clear to me how Rome fell while the people were enjoying their bread and circuses.

    norcal (a5428a)

  84. @87- ^you’re in the minority

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  85. 86. Mine was two full minutes ahead of yours. You’re worse than Plagiarist Joey B.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  86. @90 Where do I go for hair plugs? :)

    norcal (a5428a)

  87. @88.Reaganoptics: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYeNuISN4Dc

    Ahhhhh, but you loved it then, didn’t you… as it took root. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  88. 91. DCSCA handles all referrals.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  89. @85. Are you kidding? Reagan famously quipped you couldn’t do the president gig w/o being an act.

    Trump is a Reagan Creation-35 years in the making. Sit back and enjoy the show. He is your creation. He is you.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  90. ^an actor.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. @92 Never saw that. It was during the two-year black hole of my Mormon mission. We couldn’t watch TV, read newspapers, or listen to any music other than MoTab or classical. Extra credit if you guess what “MoTab” is short for.

    norcal (a5428a)

  92. @84. Descency is a transient, lurker.

    Or do you hide your eyes seeing Star Trek’s sexy, miniskirted Yeoman Janice Rand [Grace Lee Whitney] strut her stuff in 1968… and who died at age 85 in 2015? LOL

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  93. Yeoman Rand beats Princess Leia every day of the week and twice on Sundays.

    norcal (a5428a)

  94. @96. Guessing Mormon Tabernacle Choir. Lawrence Welk for Mormons;-0

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  95. @98. It’s the ‘indecent’ miniskirt. ;-0

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  96. @99 That is correct!

    However, some would say the term gained more resonance when Gladys Knight joined the church and sang with the choir! Motown-Tabernacle. Get it? (She really did join. Maybe it was the Vegas proximity to Utah.)

    norcal (a5428a)

  97. @101. She was a pip.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  98. And yet, Knight supported Obama over Romney, even after working with Romney during the 2002 Winter Olympics in Utah. Said Romney was all about money. Didn’t Calvin Coolidge say something similar about America?

    norcal (a5428a)

  99. @103. Once you go black; you never go back. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  100. @104 I’ll never understand racial voting blocs. I don’t care what color somebody is. I just want good policy.

    norcal (a5428a)

  101. @83 According to Stormy Daniels (who you have to admit is something of an expert) that says sad sad things about Marla Maples sex life.

    Nic (896fdf)

  102. Thoughts and prayers. Schadenfrende.

    asset (934a56)

  103. @106 That, or Marla was just repeating lines from The Gold Digger’s Handbook. Unfortunately, it turned out to be fool’s gold!

    norcal (a5428a)

  104. Hey Nic,

    Did you catch my mom’s latest teaching story on the Title IX thread? Can you believe she got away with saying that?

    norcal (a5428a)

  105. Trump is as entertaining as fingernails on a blackboard. They stopped water-boarding at Gitmo when the CIA was finally able to install TVs in the prisoner’s cells showing “The Apprentice” 24/7.

    nk (1d9030)

  106. Trump is as entertaining as a car crash. Sure people rubber neck….but should we?

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  107. If Trump wins in 2020, we get four more years of feckless leadership, scandal, and lowering the bar on acceptable conduct. Trump then is positioned to then groom his successor. If Biden wins in 2020, we have a man well past his prime in a position requiring vigor and competent decision making….with a VP whose primary qualifications are race and gender…who’s been an unexceptional candidate and Senator. We also get a defeated Trump who will still likely try to dominate the coverage by simply not going away, probably promoting conspiracies, and acting as an unfortunate king maker for the GOP….making it harder for traditional Republicans to reclaim the party. If he succombs to the virus, there is a small chance for a complete GOP reboot…..Pence likely becomes the candidate at this late juncture….but could there be a crack of an opening for a universally liked Nikki Haley? No one should wish for outcome three…..but a tiny bit of me wants what is best for democracy and for something to shock our system out of its current partisan pathology….and then there’s karma……

    AJ_Liberty (a4ff25)

  108. “No one should wish for outcome three…..but…”
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    lol
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    harkin (6a5785)

  109. Edward-Isaac Dovere
    @IsaacDovere
    ·
    Trump’s campaign still has not paused negative ads as Biden’s has. This is the Trump campaign’s “question of the day” for Biden, after he wished Trump well:

    “Do you regret repeatedly attacking President Trump in a Michigan speech on the same day he was diagnosed with COVID-19?”
    __ _

    Stephen L. Miller
    @redsteeze
    ·
    Biden has not paused negative ads including online and Facebook. This has been documented and tweeted out. Edward is not a journalist.
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    Edward-Isaac Dovere
    @IsaacDovere
    ·
    It’s definitely the case that Biden gave a speech in Grand Rapids yesterday critical of Trump’s leadership of the economy. But Biden was careful not to attack Trump and spoke about his diagnosis as something he was sorry to see.

    _

    harkin (6a5785)

  110. Extra credit if you guess what “MoTab” is short for.“
    _

    It’s either the tabernacle or a diet cola refill in the 70’s. Wait is coke still forbidden fruit?
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    harkin (6a5785)

  111. “No one should wish for outcome three…..but…”
    _
    lol

    No worries. They say that there are only two things in life which are certain: Death and taxes. And Trump already beat taxes.

    nk (1d9030)

  112. universally liked Nikki Haley

    Another spineless Trump boot-licker and apologist.

    To hell with her.

    Dave (1bb933)

  113. Trump is as entertaining as a car crash.

    Trump is as entertaining as a car crashing into your family and friends.

    Dave (1bb933)

  114. For Kellyanne, I do feel bad. She has young children to raise.

    I want everyone to recover fully, and I feel bad for everyone who caught it, except for Trump. This is Trump’s fault for creating this environment, not so much theirs. I feel bad for Ms. Conway, but she was still foolish for not masking up.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  115. Breaking – Chris Christie has tested positive Covid-19.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  116. @106. OTOH, Stormy 2016 ain’t Marla 1990.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  117. I feel bad for Ms. Conway, but she was still foolish for not masking up.

    She has been out there every day for nine months, parroting the cynical idiocy that encourages people to jeopardize the lives of their family, their friends, and everyone else around them; perpetuating the hell of this American Holocaust for (she hoped) political gain.

    Sympathy is the last thing she and the rest of Trump’s accomplices deserve.

    Dave (1bb933)

  118. Has this been verified in a double blind study?

    Sure, let’s do a double-blind study. After that, let’s do a double-blind study on Russian roulette. The morality of it isn’t all that different. Which is why the question is intellectually dishonest.*
    The best available science supports the contention that masks significantly reduce the spread of transmission.
    *

    The gold standard in science — a randomized, double-blinded controlled trial — is impossible to conduct in a pandemic, so researchers have turned to other analyses, said Andrew Noymer, an associate professor of population health and disease prevention at the University of California at Irvine who was not part of the review.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  119. They should blame the guy who hired Atlas since the Stanford neuroradiologist is just the chucklehead who told Trump what he wanted to hear.

    Paul Montagu (77c694)

  120. A neuroradiologist is exactly the kind of doctor you want if you suspect mini strokes. And now there’s this:

    The president has a low-grade fever, nasal congestion and a cough,

    There is no blood-brain barrier from a portion of the nasal cavity to the brain. Atlas may still earn his pay.

    nk (1d9030)

  121. “No one should wish for outcome three…..but…”
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    lol
    _

    harkin (6a5785) — 10/3/2020 @ 8:03 am

    But it would be good for the country.

    Nikki Haley or Pence would be better in all respects. Anyone having a problem with this comment is simply not conservative. Trump on power grabs, accountability, and objectively on spending, is the most liberal president we’ve had. He is only not liberal on social issues and racism. Those are not priorities to me, cough.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  122. Sympathy is the last thing she and the rest of Trump’s accomplices deserve.

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 9:22 am

    I don’t feel sympathy really, but on a level I feel empathy. We’ve all been proud, selfish children at some point in our lives, so we can understand the series of mistakes, the refusal to admit they were mistakes, that captures most of the Trump administration. Now they pay for it, and I feel pity for them even if this will obviously be remembered as some kind of sick justice.

    Conway was one of the worst spinners of COVID, not just insisting it’s contained by being ugly to those who suggested otherwise. It is still sad if she’s in pain, the same way it’s sad a guy in prison misses his family.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  123. We’ve all been proud, selfish children at some point in our lives, so we can understand the series of mistakes

    I agree with you in general. But we’re not talking about blaming your little brother for something you broke, or refusing to share your M&M’s.

    Dave (1bb933)

  124. @109 I haven’t, but now I have. She never would’ve gotten away with it today. Parents are very easily offended on behalf of their kids.

    Nic (896fdf)

  125. I agree with you in general. But we’re not talking about blaming your little brother for something you broke, or refusing to share your M&M’s.

    Dave (1bb933) — 10/3/2020 @ 10:49 am

    I think you have the stronger point. Pitying an idiot for stubbing their toe doesn’t really capture hundreds of thousands of families unable to attend funerals for needless losses.

    Dustin (4237e0)

  126. @115 You are correct and funny! Actually, neither Coke nor Tab were officially banned by the Mormon church. Coffee and tea were, and still are. Some church members decided that the reason for the ban must be caffeine, so they took it upon themselves to put caffeinated sodas on the black list.

    The church has definitely sowed confusion on this front, however. When I was attending BYU, caffeinated Coke was unavailable on campus. Caffeine-free Coke was, however. In fact, I recall seeing a caffeine-free Coke vending machine that was gold in color, just like the uncaffeinated cans. Have you ever seen such a thing?

    Up until a couple of years ago, one could not buy caffeinated sodas at a BYU football game played at the home stadium, which of course had fans from the visiting team who were not necessarily Mormon. BYU’s spokeswoman blamed “lack of demand”, which was very Baghdad Bob of her, and became a joke amongst the many Mormons who were just fine with caffeine in their sodas, and would have liked to have some real Coke at the game.

    norcal (a5428a)

  127. Our thoughts and prayers. Isn’t that what the right says after the latest school shooting.

    asset (245fb2)


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