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10/11/2017

TRUMP THUGGERY: Trump Takes a Page from the Left, Threatens NBC License

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:00 am

As Susan Wright noted earlier, NBC reported this morning that Donald Trump “wanted what amounted to a nearly tenfold increase in the U.S. nuclear arsenal” — a ludicrous request that appears to be what prompted Rex Tillerson to call Trump a “moron.” In typical authoritarian style, Trump is responding by denying the story . . . and also by threatening NBC’s broadcast license:

I believe the NBC story because Trump is a) a liar and b) a f*cking moron. But that’s not the point.

The point is that we should all come together — all of us, every single one of us — to oppose this sort of anti-speech thuggery.

The left has a long and rich history of using the power of government regulation to threaten speech they don’t like, with threats to broadcast licenses being a particular favorite of the thugs. I documented just a few of the examples in a post from 2010:

Whether it’s Democrats’ threatening to pull Fox News’s broadcast license because they don’t like the content; or Harry Reid & Co. writing a mafia-style letter threatening ABC’s broadcast license over “The Path to 9/11″; or the DNC threatening Sinclair Broadcasting’s broadcast license over an anti-Kerry documentary; or Obama’s thugs threatening networks’ broadcast licenses over criticism from the NRA; or, most recently, Kathleen Sebelius suggesting that insurance companies had better not claim they’re raising rates because of ObamaCare, or they may find themselves regulated out of existence . . . based on these examples and many more, the public has a special need to fear Democrats’ bringing down the hammer when they engage in free speech.

Now this is officially going to become a position of the “right” as well. As least the idiot portion of the right — a group too large for comfort. And don’t kid yourself. With all the “fake news” caterwauling we constantly hear, Trump’s latest suggestion is sure to appeal to the dimwits who make up a part of Trump’s base. These would be the same authoritarian and reactionary types who shrug at Trump’s praise for Putin and Duterte, and applaud his calls to “open up the libel laws.” The Trumpers will laugh and clap wildly . . . while the anti-anti-Trumpers — the would-be “intellectuals” of the populist movement — will also laugh and clap wildly . . . but will then also say “come on, Trump is not being serious, but he has a point, doesn’t he? Plus we need to use the tactics of the left against them!”

Neither Trumper nor anti-anti-Trumper will spend a single solitary moment denouncing the thuggery on full display here. And Americans will look from Trumper to anti-anti-Trumper, and from anti-anti-Trumper to Trumper — but already it will be impossible to say which is which.

I’ve been documenting and railing about these sort of abuses for the greater part of my adult life. Until now, I have never seen it happen on the right. If it did, I missed it. I used to think of this sort of threat as an exclusively leftist tactic. And it is. But now it will be cheered by the right, because Trump.

There are few things I hate more than seeing the power of the government used to threaten or squelch speech. That behavior has been characteristic of every murderous authoritarian regime in modern history, and any politician taking even a step down that road should greatly concern every American citizen.

If you are defending this because it’s Trump, I have nothing in common with you. You are part of the problem.

To the rest of you: join me in denouncing this. I don’t care if the left denounces it too (as they inevitably will). The Trumpers and the anti-anti-Trumpers don’t understand this, but what’s right is right . . . even if the left happens to agree!

If you don’t understand that, then you’re letting the left dictate your belief system. You’re a sheep, and you deserve to be led to the metaphorical slaughter.

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

568 Responses to “TRUMP THUGGERY: Trump Takes a Page from the Left, Threatens NBC License”

  1. excellent question

    at what point do sleazy NBC fake news propaganda sluts become unworthy of a broadcast license

    or do they have carte blanche to do fake news all up in it?

    this is a good discussion to have

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  2. interesting how none of this would’ve happened though if sleazy-slimy hyper-entitled Rex Tillerson had behaved like a professional

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  3. You would think having prevented ronan from airing the harvapalooza on their own network would do it, but the peacock is not a real network, its just a tax dodge

    narciso (d1f714)

  4. “liar”…”fucking moron”…”the idiot portion of the right”…

    Your over the top bitterness often obscures whatever decent point(s) you occasionally make.

    Bill Saracino (ad0096)

  5. Trump’s latest suggestion is sure to appeal to the dimwits who make up a part of Trump’s base.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  6. I am outraged! NBC has never faked polling results, they’ve never knowingly lied in any news reporting

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  7. at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License?

    When you finally manage to hand over the U.S. government to your buddy Vladimir Putin?

    nk (dbc370)

  8. Happyfeet doesn’t seem to get it, but Trump will not president for very long. I concede his judicial appointments have been great, but that will not last.

    What happens when the next president simply quotes Trump’s precedent? This will happen all the time. When the left does something that should outrage, but the fashionable are saying it’s no big deal, the citizens are yawning and playing Candy Crush, and the right wants to point out how outrageous the conduct is, the left will easily use their favorite argument: that the right are hypocrites. The headlines on Yahoo news or wherever will simply frame every conservative criticism of the next democrat president as “Republics hypocritical about president shutting down broadcast license.”

    That’s a pretty safe prediction.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  9. You would think having prevented ronan from airing the harvapalooza on their own network would do it, but the peacock is not a real network, its just a tax dodge

    narciso (d1f714) — 10/11/2017 @ 9:17 am

    Um, they seem to reach a lot of houses. How do you think we got to this point, where our presidential choices were so poor? We as a society have a crippled popular culture, a crippled education system, and a crippled media, all overrun by massively powerful companies including GE.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  10. how weird is it though to hear a gullible drooling climate change pansy / iran deal cheerleader like rexy tillerboobs call the president of the united states a moron

    i bet exxon and its shareholders were thrilled to pawn this anti-semitic loser off onto the state department

    Tillerson’s dramatic plan to save Iran deal, keep up pressure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  11. I think this isn’t the first time Donald Trump has said soemthing like this. It’s been ignored the other times, too, because I think he doesn’t have the power to do this.

    And besides, networks aren’t licensed, only television stations. The networks (or maybe everbody) used to be limited to owning only five.

    Now Ted Kennedy was accused of trying to force Rupert Murdoch to sell a newspaper in Boston, although I don’t think anyone knows (maybe they know by now) who was behind the insertions into the 1987 continuing resolution.

    I wrote about this here at comments 28 and 29: (a few typos corrected)

    http://patterico.com/2017/01/03/garry-kasparov-the-united-states-has-a-putin-and-a-partisanship-problem/.

    Doo-Dah, Doo-Dah (3e9ab6) — 1/3/2017 @ 11:47 am
    “When did Congress relax the rules on media consolidation” I got results dating from 1975, 1996, 2001, 2003, and more recent. It’ll take me a week at least to read the most-likely Top 20 articles.

    They toughened the rules in 1987, to prohibit the FCC from granting a waiver for anyone to own both a television station and a newspaper in the same media market. (The FCC had control over television licenses, not newspapers.)

    The “inside story” is that this was put into the continuing resolution by Senator Ted Kennedy to force Rupert Murdoch to sell the Boston Globe [sic]. But I think more likely the aim was to kill the New York Post. I’m not sure whose idea this was.

    Rupert Murdoch sold what he called his little (UHF) TV station in Boston instead, and the New York Post was bought by Peter Kallikow. The New York Post was in crisis in 1993, but saved by the intervention of New York’s Governor Mario Cuomo (he said for the jobs, maybe also because he really didn’t like Bill Clinton) by which time it was legal for him to own both. I think Congress had corrected that law pretty quickly …. (omitted)

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea) — 1/3/2017 @ 12:28 pm

    * 29. I mean the Boston Herald. Rupert Murdoch owned the Boston Herald. Murdoch had a waiver both in Boston and New York City.

    Sammy Finkelman (eb0eea) — 1/3/2017 @ 12:33 pm

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  12. Mr. Dustin didn’t you swear to high heaven way up in the sky that President Trump would never be president to begin with

    i remember you asserted this for months and months

    so there are salty grains here what are apply

    but the interesting thing is

    President Trump did NOT threaten NBC’s broadcast license

    this is fake news!

    he’s asking if there aren’t any responsibilities what attend the having of that license to go along with the privileges

    and it’s a good question

    do we really even need broadcast networks at all anymore?

    is there perhaps not a better use for that part of the spectrum?

    as I said this is a very good and timely discussion to have

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  13. Conservatives do better using Ayers strategemsthan do leftists. They are far too touchy feely to carry it off.

    Ben burn (428214)

  14. 8. Dustin (ba94b2) — 10/11/2017 @ 9:32 am

    How do you think we got to this point, where our presidential choices were so poor?

    Campaign finance regulations, which severely limit the amount of money that can be given to a campaign by one person, except by the candidate himself.

    This limits the choices almost entirely to professional politicians, who have to decide much too far in advance, and also causes candidates to drop out early.

    A 1976 U.S. Supreme Court decision allowed very rich people to fund (or at least jump start) their own campaign, saying the First Amendment meant you couldn’t stop that.

    So we can get candidates like Perot. Or Trump. Or Bloomberg, could have been too. Or Mark Zuckerberg.

    That’s the actual answer.

    You could say this was just another eample of Democratic party snake oil (a bad answer to Watergate, which was not about money)

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  15. The camoaign finance :”reforms” of the 1970s actually institutionalied corruption, because they allowd for the creation of PACs which could give larger sums of money than any individual. Candidates can also gte money from their party.

    None of this is any good.

    Sammy Finkelman (9f1a19)

  16. this sort of anti-speech thuggery

    remember pickleheads a broadcast license just gives you the right to broadcast

    if NBC were to do so much fake news that their license were forfeit they’d still be seen on cable satellite and fiber

    the question President Trump asks us to consider is whether there may not be better uses for our finite spectrum than to use it as a toilet for NBC fake news propaganda sluts to make tinkle in

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  17. at what point do sleazy NBC fake news propaganda sluts become unworthy of a broadcast license

    Never, unless you want all the conservative-learning shows and networks eliminated when the Democrats are in charge.

    If you’re not in favor of free speech and free press for the organizations you disagree with, then you’re really not in favor of either.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  18. Kellyanne has to up her game, I think. Maybe learn Shiatsu or get a copy of the Kama Sutra from Nazi-sympathizer Jeff Bezos. Whatever she’s doing, it’s not keeping him pacified.

    nk (dbc370)

  19. Patrick doesn’t remember “The Fairness Doctrine.”

    Mike K (b3dd19)

  20. This is a molehill and the author sees the Himalayas.

    Color me gullible but I have no fear of the Trump admin. ever becoming a “murderous authoritarian regime”, that’s the sort of stuff the Resistance sputters.

    When Trump actually starts a process in motion to silence NBC or any other network, let us know.

    “You’re a sheep, and you deserve to be led to the metaphorical slaughter.

    Goodness.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  21. If you’re not in favor of free speech and free press for the organizations you disagree with, then you’re really not in favor of either.

    i love free speech so much!

    and please to understand, this is not good logics what you are offering above Mr. Bartowski

    if it lost its broadcast license NBC would still be free to freely have the same free speech freedom as CNN and Lifetime and ESPN and Fox News

    but why, given its abysmal record of spewing our nasty fake news, should it be entitled to MORE free speech than CNN and Lifetime and ESPN and Fox News?

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  22. oops!

    given its abysmal record of spewing *out* nasty fake news i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  23. That being said, what is the alternative.

    narciso (d1f714)


  24. I’ve been documenting and railing about these sort of abuses for the greater part of my adult life. Until now, I have never seen it happen on the right. If it did, I missed it. I used to think of this sort of threat as an exclusively leftist tactic. And it is. But now it will be cheered by the right, because Trump.

    First of all Patterico, one incident or statement by Trump does not mean it’s happening on the right or is cheered by the right. It may be cheered by avid Trump supporters but certainly not by “the right”. Secondly, if it’s cheered at all as you submit it is not being cheered “because Trump”. It’s being cheered because it will not stop from the left until they have it thrust upon themselves as well. It’s not “because Trump” it’s because it’s about time.

    And I’m not saying it’s right, I’m just a tad more understanding of why it is cheered. I don’t want anybody’s rights diminished. I wish I could say that about the left. They shut us up at every opportunity.


    To the rest of you: join me in denouncing this. I don’t care if the left denounces it too (as they inevitably will). The Trumpers and the anti-anti-Trumpers don’t understand this, but what’s right is right . . . even if the left happens to agree!

    Patterico, the left only agrees because it’s directed at them. If they really agreed they would have investigated Obamas lawfare against conservatives by the IRS etc.. They would demand an end to the nonsense of “hate speech” and demand that all universities have free speech. They do none of these things because they know they don’t have to since the good people on our side, like you, will give them credit which they don’t deserve. When you awaken to the culture war please let us know. You are defending the left that had 97% o all media outlets supporting Hillary and who since her defeat have held an ongoing hissy fit 24/7 for ten months. They disrespect the country and the symbols that represent it and you want to continue to allow taxpayer funding for a bunch of spoiled millionaires who work for a bunch of leftist billionaires? Forgetaboutit!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  25. but why, given its abysmal record of spewing our nasty fake news, should it be entitled to MORE free speech than CNN and Lifetime and ESPN and Fox News?

    White privilege?

    nk (dbc370)

  26. why is it when you make one typo that’s the only thing people gonna quote i’m calling my union

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. Better if we’d opposed Trump, let Hillary win, and had her threatening Fox’s license. That would be OK per the NT’s.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  28. Also: maybe a threat to NBC et al., is beneficial: it reminds what’s left of the honest left that “this can happen to you too.”

    For those horrified by the very idea of “tit for tat,” a reminder: remember how the left delighted in using Special Counsel to harass every republican in sight during the 80’s? That stopped by agreement ONLY when the GOP started using them in the Clinton years. Miraculously, democrats saw the light and the special counsel law was not renewed.

    Sorry NT’s, but the noble and Romneyesque idea that you can keep your hands in your pockets in this endless mud fight is quaint and nice but the left takes advantage of you every time.

    Harcourt Fenton Mudd (5e0a82)

  29. Ronald Reagan wanted to rid the world of nuclear weapons and damn near got rid of ballistic delivery systems at Reykjavik. He and Gorbachev STARTed the world on the path to deep reductions in missiles and throwweight and today we have about 10% on each side compared to 1985.

    Now Trump wants to build back up to the insane levels of the 1980’s?

    They compare him to Reagan. I remember Reagan and Trump is no Reagan at all. Anyone who wants to go back to the days of 20,000 H-bombs IS a fukking moron. I don’t see how you could debate the point.

    Kevin M (752a26)


  30. Trump’s latest suggestion is sure to appeal to the dimwits who make up a part of Trump’s base.

    Did you copy that comment from a Hillary speech? That’s just the sort of attitude and statement that turns a voter into a Trump supporter. Instead if “dimwits” use Deplorables, you know you want to.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  31. And don’t tell me “it can’t happen here”. It hasn’t been all that long that thousands of Trumpkins and other gonsels complained to the FCC about Stephen Colbert’s “cock-holster” tirade (and the FCC told them to go pound sand).

    nk (dbc370)

  32. 26, Hillary wouldnt waste her time on Fox, maybe just Tucker himself – Breitbart and Alex Jones would be her white whales.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  33. The MiC would never, ever slaughter sheep. At least not while they’re still producing wool. He knows he can continue to shear them, season after season, just as he has since he inherited his father’s clippers.

    Rick Ballard (ada478)


  34. I don’t see how you could debate the point.

    North Korea, Iran. I win.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  35. Probably the stupidest argument the Trump diehards have is “I guess you would have preferred ______” when we tried so very hard NOT to have to make that choice.

    There were worse candidates, but that does not mean we needed to choose the worst ourselves. We had some stellar choices to run against the Hildabeast, but we chose Yosemite Sam. Given our druthers it would have been a landslide in the GOP favor instead of the ass-backwards and unconvincing win Trump achieved.

    Kevin M (752a26)


  36. 31.26, Hillary wouldnt waste her time on Fox, maybe just Tucker himself – Breitbart and Alex Jones would be her white whales.

    Tucker would be found after committing suicide by shooting himself in the head. Twice.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  37. North Korea, Iran. I win.

    If you need 20,000 H-bombs (enough to dig a hole to the planet’s core in either one of those countries) than you’re a moron, too. I don’t think you are, but that’s an asinine statement.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  38. There are such things as double barrel handguns, though.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  39. Yrs lets keep then in the hands of north Korea and china, I would have said ‘your damn right inordered the code red, tjm. This whole grishenko nonsense, is just the sort of junk the soviet’s used to do, meanwhile the awan matter and the menendez trial might as well not existence.

    However, no net work should be at the mercy like the dogans were, remember his properties were part of a modest suggestion from the nash fellow

    narciso (d1f714)

  40. there’s absolutely no way to know if NBC has for real sources or not (they lie a LOT)

    but what’s extremely likely is that failmerica’s incompetent corrupt military has let the nuclear stockpile degrade to where we could actually *use* a ten-fold increase in the number of deliverables in our sadly decrepit nuclear arsenal that we can be confident are still in good reliable working order

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. Ot is mostly to replenish the old stockpile of .missiles, going back to the 80s, of course networks that dint deign to inform us over the miniaturized warheads after 4 years won’t tell you this.

    Charles sakes who thinks one should sacrifice the second amendment, the Stephens chap.

    narciso (d1f714)

  42. Folks clutching their pearls whilst Trump brings up valid point. Sadly Happy is correct, again.

    Who knows maybe this is on of Harvey,s pearl necklaces …

    Ironic CA is allowing a predator to run free, imprisoning people for pronoun use and allowing people to spread communicable diseases wantonly while arresting parents who don’t vaccinate.

    But this is a threat to Democracy!

    KRS One (9a3073)

  43. The more Trump poops in the mouths of the intellectual class, the better.

    You have ruined the Country with your smug disdain for the hard working folks who sustain you.

    KRS One (9a3073)

  44. The FCC is still trying to after drudge, yet Yahoo and google are free to dump their sludge.

    narciso (d1f714)

  45. Of course it raises the question where Tina covered for her friend, inconceivable

    https://www.thedailybeast.com/how-nbc-killed-ronan-farrows-weinstein-expose

    narciso (d1f714)

  46. When Trump actually starts a process in motion to silence NBC or any other network, let us know.

    Not to pick on you, harkin, because others have said essentially the same thing, but if Obama had threatened the broadcasting license of a conservative network, Trump supporters would be calling for his impeachment.

    I guess it’s easier to have ethics that adapt to the situation.

    Chuck Bartowski (bc1c71)

  47. He didn’t have t, the younger murdichs took much of the teeth out of the network, and they still keep defenestrating.

    narciso (d1f714)

  48. @29 Actually I copied it from Patterico’s blog post.

    Davethulhu (fab944)

  49. oh my goodness

    President Trump simply asked at what point it might be appropriate to challenge a broadcast license

    but did filthy anti-speech thug Ted Cruz actually threaten a broadcast license?

    Your failure, as an FCC licensee, to fulfill this obligation, may be deemed an “underlying abdication” of your duties as such a licensee and result in the loss of your station’s license.

    He did!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  50. happyfeet makes a good point. Who gets such a license and how? Highest bidder? Lottery? Good luck? First in line? Bribes?

    I’m guessing there is some legislative piffle about the limited spectrum is to be licensed so as to be used for the public good. If so, how are Trump’s comments out of line?

    Fred Z (05d938)

  51. So the solution is more speech, but how is that working out when a mere commentator like Shapiro, needs a security convoy to get to Berkeley.

    narciso (d1f714)

  52. Shocking they dint pint this out:
    dailycaller.com/2017/10/11/us-military-in-a-death-spiral-after-obama-era-cuts

    narciso (d1f714)

  53. It’s laughable to think Trump is a threat to free speech. Seriously, how could a lying moron who’s not running our federal government accomplish that? Does he suffer bouts of malevolent competence between idiotic tweets?

    There are more worrisome developments to be concerned about:

    http://www.nationalreview.com/article/452506/donald-trump-courts-lawyers-legal-resistance

    Fortunatley, Leo is on it, as is McConnell, who believe it or not just announced a streamlined process for appointing federal judges to the lower courts.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  54. abcnews.go.com/Politics/white-house-immigration-priorities-call-strict-regulation-wall/story?id=50367654&cid=social_twitter_social_twitter_abcn

    narciso (d1f714)

  55. …….but if Obama had threatened the broadcasting license of a conservative network, Trump supporters would be calling for his impeachment.

    I guess it’s easier to have ethics that adapt to the situation.”

    Why waste time on hypotheticals? Obama didn’t just threaten, he violated the rights of Americans by using the IRS to stifle free speech.

    I have no idea what your ethics blast is about but in my case I would argue just as hard if Trump did the same or similar to liberals. A twitter rant IMO does not compare to Obama’s very real crimes which were ignored by the media.

    So, once again, when Trump actually puts in motion moves to silence NBC or any other network, let us know.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  56. People have no clue what thuggery in.

    Or they do and are simply engaging in hyperbole for clicks.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  57. Harkin,

    Why stop there … subpoena and investigate Reporters.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  58. ohnoes

    is sleazy-ass general mattis doing LIES all up in it?

    if he is he should lose his license

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. ‘A page from the left?’

    Howzabout the whole playbook from the Right; you really need to bone up on your Watergate:

    https://www.nixonlibrary.gov/forresearchers/find/tapes/watergate/trial/transcripts.php

    DATE: Friday, September 15, 1972

    Cassette Number / Minutes: E – 3 Segment 1 (34 minutes) | Adobe Acrobat PDFTranscript | Listen
    Conversation Number: 779-2
    Location: White House Oval Office
    Exhibit Number: Exhibit 4 – U.S. v. John N. Mitchell, et al.
    Abstract:
    A discussion of press treatment of the break-in and lawsuits; discovery of another bug in the DNC; bugs in other political campaigns; DNC lawsuits; Edward Bennett Williams; RNC countersuits; election law violations; Congress; the burglars’ civil rights; the Washington Post’s TV & Radio licenses; depositions on sex-lives of DNC members.
    Participants:
    President Nixon
    H.R.Haldeman
    John W. Dean III

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  60. 57 – “Harkin
    Why stop there … subpoena and investigate Reporters.”

    No clue which “there” you refer to.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  61. Hoagie says:

    Patterico, the left only agrees because it’s directed at them. If they really agreed they would have investigated Obamas lawfare against conservatives by the IRS etc.. They would demand an end to the nonsense of “hate speech” and demand that all universities have free speech. They do none of these things because they know they don’t have to since the good people on our side, like you, will give them credit which they don’t deserve. When you awaken to the culture war please let us know. You are defending the left

    I totally agree that the left will criticize Trump over this only because it targets them.

    But I am not defending the left in any way, shape, or form in this piece. I say they have done this for years, and it is wrong for Trump to do what they are doing, and the fact that the left will criticize him does not make the left wrong. None of that is a defense of the left. If you re-read the piece fairly you will see that I nowhere defend the left on this issue.

    The only way I can make sense of the accusation is if you think literally any criticism of Trump is, by nature of it being a criticism of Trump, the same thing as a defense of the left.

    Is that what you think?

    If not, where does this “defending the left” accusation come from?

    Patterico (03f629)

  62. President Trump simply asked at what point it might be appropriate to challenge a broadcast license

    but did filthy anti-speech thug Ted Cruz actually threaten a broadcast license?

    Your failure, as an FCC licensee, to fulfill this obligation, may be deemed an “underlying abdication” of your duties as such a licensee and result in the loss of your station’s license.

    He did!

    This. Would any Cruz Never Trumpers who are all hyperventilating over this care to respond to this? Certainly you don’t all have your fingers in you ears. OK, maybe not so certain…

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  63. Re this from our host:

    To the rest of you: join me in denouncing this.

    Okay, I hereby join you. You’re right that Trump either doesn’t understand or doesn’t care about the First Amendment (I think it’s both). You’re right that it’s another of the many things that makes him unfit to be POTUS, and it was another reason I could not bring myself to vote for him even against an abhorrent alternative like Hillary Clinton.

    But this is just everyday idiocy from Trump. He does things that I could just as well “denounce” on just about an hourly basis; I certainly could assemble a new and revised listed every day of his presidency, even of his presidency-elect period.

    He can’t repeal the First Amendment. He can’t stop the courts from enforcing it. He can’t get judges confirmed who’d change that (Gorsuch certainly wouldn’t!). So this is low on my list of things that might drive me to more than this internet denunciation in the comments to your blog. When and if he does something more substantive than stupid tweets to rouse the stupider portions of his base, then I’ll reconsider.

    I’m not discouraging you, by any means, from pointing out Trump’s continuing failings, this among them. But I do think you are right up against, and perhaps beyond, the point of effectiveness as an advocate for your views by trying to blame or shame anyone who fails to join you in today’s denunciation.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  64. btw speaking of broadcasts if you have the Amazon Prime watch the pilot for The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel

    there’s everything right with this show

    it got picked up and the first season starts this November, but the pilot’s strong enough to stand on its own

    and if you have some NYC under your belt you’ll like it even more

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  65. Gonna have to see if the script works on my phone. So far, actually reading the comments here, including those of people I usually mute, just confirms that I am missing nothing. In fact, my mute list is very well calibrated.

    (I don’t mute Hoagie, to be clear. I take issue with his characterization of my post here but I respect him.)

    Patterico (03f629)

  66. 63 – Beldar

    Well said.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  67. Misguided and anti-democratic.

    But why does NBC need/have a license from the federal government?

    Beyond that, your diatribe against “Trumpers” and “Anti anti-Trumpers” — the latter I guess fits me — is simply more of the same.

    Over-generalizations, mis-characterizations, and resort to ad hominem attacks by a virtue signaler who has become unwilling to engage with anyone who makes factual challenges to his own unassailable world view.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  68. Nixon Is Gone, but His Media Strategy Lives On; Forty years after Watergate, presidential suspicion of reporters and attempts to keep the press at arm’s length remain high.

    -The perpetually insecure Nixon was sure reporters were out to get him. After voters rejected his 1962 bid to become California’s governor, he accused journalists of being “delighted that I lost,” ignoring the fact that most of the state’s major newspapers endorsed him. “You won’t have Nixon to kick around anymore, because, gentlemen, this is my last press conference.”

    – Nixon’s way of handling the press has prevailed in American politics. Intimidating journalists, avoiding White House reporters, staging events for television—now common presidential practices—were all originally Nixonian tactics.

    – In 1969 Nixon directed Vice President Spiro Agnew to make speeches attacking newspapers and the television networks as if they were rival political parties. Agnew said the president was the victim of “a small and unelected elite” who controlled the media. Agnew’s popularity soared after these speeches, and the intimidated networks backed away from critically analyzing Nixon’s speeches. [Agnew later resigned due to kickback and corruption charges.]

    – Nixon read a summary of each morning’s news and then directed his staff how to respond, noting in the margins which reporters he liked and disliked. Example: When Stuart Loory of the LA Times wrote about how much Nixon’s vacation home cost taxpayers, Nixon angrily told his staff to ban Loory from the White House.

    – JFK, FDR, and other previous presidents had wooed reporters, but Nixon made media manipulation a central focus of his administration. For his chief of staff, he picked H.R. Haldeman, a former advertising agency executive. To shape the president’s public image, Nixon and Haldeman created the first White House communications office. Large communications offices have since become White House staples. Ronald Reagan’s communications team was especially adept at creating TV scenes of the president surrounded by American flags while shielding him from reporters’ questions.

    – Presidential attacks against journalism, of course, can go beyond words. Nixon’s anger against the media led his administration to wiretap reporters’ phones and order the IRS to harass journalists he disliked.

    – Some of Nixon’s team had even more violent ideas. The reelection campaign’s general counsel, G. Gordon Liddy, and White House aide E. Howard Hunt hatched a plot to assassinate muckraking columnist Jack Anderson after he infuriated Nixon by publishing embarrassing leaks.

    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/08/nixons-revenge-his-media-strategy-triumphs-40-years-after-resignation/375274/

    “And that’s the way it is.” – Walter Cronkite, journalist, CBS News anchor signoff, 1962-1981

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  69. But I do think you are right up against, and perhaps beyond, the point of effectiveness as an advocate for your views by trying to blame or shame anyone who fails to join you in today’s denunciation.

    That right there is disturbing itself. The insistance that the failure to see things “my” way constitutes agreement with the other side. Isn’t this itself a valid argument against the never-never-trumpers? Against the anti-NFL positions? It is one thing to disagree, another thing to state that if Someone disagrees with you they help the other side, but to say that disagreement with you IS a form of treason against an idea or to tell people that they MUST agree with you or they are effectively nothing, non-persons to some extent, is its own movement toward a totalitarian culture.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  70. @65. “This is Radio Moscow. The air is always fresh and clear in East Berlin.”

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  71. But I do think you are right up against, and perhaps beyond, the point of effectiveness as an advocate for your views by trying to blame or shame anyone who fails to join you in today’s denunciation.

    I’ll take that under advisement. But I am increasingly sick of partisanship so rank that it defends even attacks on the fundamental principles of our country. And if you peruse the blockquote from 2010, and follow some of the links, you’ll see that this particular issue has always incensed me. Nobody ever criticized me for my furor then.

    I’m not looking to persuade people who would make excuses for thuggery like this. I am looking to identify them and disassociate myself from them.

    And I am not as confident as you are in the ability of our institutions to deal competently with this sort of threat. Even the threat itself is chilling and frightening even if your confidence is vindicated. Having been through an experience where he courts IMO failed to fully vindicate my free speech rights, I know that even if you get to the right result in the end, the cost of getting there can be too much for many people. I have seen people cave to that pressure. I think everyone needs to raise their voice at a time like this, and I do indeed feel a deep and bitter contempt for anyone who would make excuses for it. That includes some of my former friends here, I am sad to say. They disappoint me deeply — or would, if they hadn’t already accomplished that long ago.

    I have reached a sort of inflection point here. People who defend Trump on this are now my political enemy, just as the left is. I might as well be clear about it.

    Patterico (03f629)

  72. But I am increasingly sick of partisanship so rank that it defends even attacks on the fundamental principles of our country.

    Then change your header.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  73. Why does NBC need a license to broadcast anymore than I need a license to carry a gun? I’m sure they are as responsible as I am.

    Pinandpuller (129d44)

  74. @1. Mr. Feet, you are free to challenge FCC broadcast newtork license renewals, station by station.
    Compile your list of grievances and start writing your letters.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  75. saint nbc spiked the harvey wienstein story and the reporter had to go to the new yorker to run the audio tape.

    nbc sucks (7d1c56)

  76. Then change your header.

    Heh. Gotta give you well deserved gotcha points on that one.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  77. How about a U.K./NFA style TV tax stamp for journalists? Chief Justice Roberts ought to have no issues with that.

    Pinandpuller (129d44)

  78. Off topic: The other member of the Axis of Evil also threatens the United States:

    http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13960716000613

    ….if the US new sanctions act comes into action, the country (the US) should transfer its regional bases to 2,000km away, that is as far as the range of Iranian missiles,” General Jafari said on Sunday…

    …”The Islamic Republic of Iran intends to solve the regional issues somewhere else other than the negotiating table; (the US should know that) there is (absolutely) nothing and no one to negotiate about or with,” the IRGC chief commander stressed.

    He said any new US sanctions would ruin the chances for any kind of interaction “forever”. “These sanctions accomplish the experience of the nuclear deal for us. An experience that showed that the US makes use of talks as a means of pressure and hostility rather than interaction or problem solving.”

    “The Americans should know that the Islamic Republic of Iran will use the opportunity provided by the Trump administration’s stupid behavior towards the nuclear deal to make a leap in its conventional defense, missile and regional programs,” he added….

    …Hours after the stern warnings by the IRGC chief commander, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif also warned of Tehran’s tough response if Washington labels the IRGC as a terrorist group.

    “It will certainly be a very harsh reaction,” Zarif said in response to a question asked by reporters in Tehran on Sunday on how Iran would react if the US president designates the IRGC as a terrorist group in his new strategy.

    He declined to elaborate on the details of Iran’s response, and said, “God willing, you will come to see (Iran’s reaction).”

    That sounds like Donald Trump except that Donald Trump does’t say “God Willing” or anything like that, but just “You’ll find out.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  79. Why does NBC need a license to broadcast anymore than I need a license to carry a gun?

    Because we each can gets our own holster. Government is protecting them from getting their spectrum(s) walked on. Though you may have a point as I personally don’t understand how NBC overall has a license to broadcast. Local stations are the ones who do the actual broadcasting. I’m not clear on how independent each of them may be.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  80. Let me be clear: I am not demanding that all my friends be as upset about this as I am. I am saying that if you are one of those people who is using a partisan argument to actually justify Trump’s threats here (something Beldar is certainly not doing, for example), then you and I no longer have enough in common for me to me to consider you an ally. In fact, you are more of a political opponent than an ally. It’s high time I acknowledged it and I will treat you as such.

    Patterico (03f629)

  81. It seems Mr. Tillerson is correct; Mr. Trump truly is a fu-king moron:

    “The FCC, an independent federal agency, issues broadcast licenses to stations and oversees license holders. It [the FCC] does not license networks. NBC is owned by Comcast, which holds broadcast licenses for several stations. NBC also airs on affiliate stations owned by other companies.

    Local residents or competitors can file a challenge to a station’s license renewal, [hop to it, Mr. Feet] but the basis for such a challenge is extremely limited — it must be a case where the station systematically violated the FCC’s rules or lacked the requisite “character” to hold the license.
    That is usually defined as a felony conviction, said Andrew Schwartzman, a communications lawyer with the Institute for Public Representation at Georgetown University Law Center.

    “It’s an empty threat. The last thing that NBC is going to worry about is whether its broadcast licenses are in jeopardy,” Schwartzman said.

    Schwartzman said the only time he could remember a large broadcaster losing its license was in the 1970s, after a New York station’s management was convicted of bribery. The license renewal issue surfaced in 2012, when Rupert Murdoch’s News Corp. was facing controversy over a phone-hacking scandal in Britain, but Fox’s U.S. television licenses were not revoked over the issue.

    http://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/11/trump-nbc-broadcast-license-243667

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  82. Then change your header.

    That is a dumb comment.

    Patterico (03f629)

  83. ” I don’t care if the left denounces it too (as they inevitably will). The Trumpers and the anti-anti-Trumpers don’t understand this, but what’s right is right . . . even if the left happens to agree!”

    Well you’ve certainly confused me..unless you’re just conflicted over any agreement with the Left.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  84. It seems Mr. Tillerson is correct; Mr. Trump truly is a fu-king moron:

    He’s a vicarious warrior/fu<lee. IOW: he just likes to watch.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  85. @1. Mr. Feet, you are free to challenge FCC broadcast network license renewals, station by station.

    you’d probably start here Mr. DCSCA

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  86. I don’t think I could duplicate that typo if I tried.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  87. This what happened in the last administration to Rosen, who was treated worse than the Kim dynasty, to risen, who thought that scoop from sterling to the entire ap news directory, re the body bomber, they are still silent about that.

    narciso (3751b0)

  88. Dustin @7

    Say, you didn’t come out of a five year coma with psychic powers, did you?

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  89. but Mr. DCSCA this is very disingenuous, this suggestion that President Trump has threatened a license

    this is what he said:

    With all of the Fake News coming out of NBC and the Networks, at what point is it appropriate to challenge their License?

    at what point is it appropriate to challenge a license he says

    spectrum is finite, and at what point is it appropriate to adjudge someone (NBC Fake News, for example) as being a deficient steward of that spectrum, and to entertain the idea of allocating that spectrum to someone more responsible, or to allocate it to some other purpose altogether?

    and this is a good question

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  90. Let me be clear: I am not demanding that all my friends be as upset about this as I am.

    See #81. You’re tilting at windmills. Media people know the Captain is off course on this one.

    “Take the tow line. Defective equipment; no more, no less. But they encouraged the crew to go around scoffing at me and spreading wild rumor about steaming in circles…” Captain Queeg [Humphrey Bogart] ‘The Caine Mutiny,’ 1954

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  91. @82. Except it’s not. And you know it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  92. I don’t mind denouncing the f*cking moron today but I don’t own enough pixels to denounce the f*cking moron every time he bangs his sippy cup on the high chair. The Punch and Judy show with Trumpkins doesn’t lack clarity but I’d like to see a few swings of the whiffle bat based upon the f*cking moron’s blatantly obvious (and completely justifiable) contempt for his jock sniffers.

    Rick Ballard (ada478)

  93. Dumb comment #2, DCSCA. If you have a point, make it. Otherwise I’ll follow Beldar’s example and add you to the mute list.

    Patterico (03f629)

  94. nk @17

    Fun Fact: The Kama Sutra was the world’s first choose your own adventure book.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  95. Sara Paulson should probably stay off Face the Nation. She’s become entirely too accustomed to dropping the F Bomb.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  96. I love how Patterico gets up in arms about a tweet yet NBC fabricating a false story does not even register.

    Again, either folks don’t know what thuggery is or are engaging in trolling while pretending to be virtuous.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  97. harkin @19

    How can David Gregory hold off Federal troops with his dinky 30 round magazine?

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  98. Yes the sepah has been racking up a death toll equivalent to aq from Beirut to Kabul and baghdad, and corker signed off on a 150 billion dollar tip

    narciso (3751b0)

  99. The ‘threat’ nature of script blocking is more of a Nerf bat than the imagined truncheon.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  100. I think DCSCA is right. Nixon started the thuggish threats with the media. To single out Democrats for it, as if they were first to resort to them, is not accurate.

    Tillman (a95660)

  101. Yes you were dealing with a cult leader empowered by all the right thinking people, probably because of his many trespasses doesn’t see any problem with attacking an officer of the court.

    narciso (48ecae)

  102. @93. Points scored: #59, #68, #81. #90.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  103. Although my condemnation is unwelcome and underappreciated, I am compelled to register my Lefty Poutrage..

    Duly noted!

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  104. Kevin M @28

    Maybe Trump means H Bomb redistribution. We build back and everyone wets their beak.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  105. @100. Shhhhhhh! Nixon was a lefty, dontcha know?!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  106. Reaching absolute poutrage exhaustion.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  107. Certainly the reality is that among Americans the commitment to liberty has always been astonishingly superficial. But I guess its my cranky old age, but I find myself far quicker to anger when I see people that I believe know better so quickly abandon principle and compromise liberty for temporary advantage or a brief faux moral preening.

    The reality is that in the past, such compromises of liberty were justified by faux claims to a moral superiority or a “more important” right. If there was any acknowledgement of an intrusion on liberty at all.

    But now, it is not even covered with a fig leaf of excuse making on the margins. The core individual liberty itself is directly attacked. “F*ck your free speech” we hear chanted by left wing activists.

    Sure so I’m called names for not agreeing within hours to a compromise on bump stocks by people who don’t actually own one, wouldn’t own one and see no effect on them.

    SPQR (240837)

  108. @104. It was slightly disheartening to learn Mr. Trump had to be schooled that the reason his charts for A-bomb stockpiles went up then dipped was due to all those weapons treaties in the 60s, 70s and 80s. If only Hef had run a few articles about that in Playboy.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  109. Staying on out of a sense of duty to Ciuntrymen…Kelly, Mattis and Tillerson should be nominated for Silver Star and Purple Heart. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/10/donald-trump-is-unraveling-white-house-advisers

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  110. @100- postscript, Til- there’s a difference between being angry in the moment at ’em and going full bore thuggish. JFK cancelled his sub to the Herald Tribune and LBJ called CBS head Stanton to try to get Morley Safer fired after his Zippo-Vietnam report. But the Big Dick made an art of it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  111. DC: Don’t forget the most trusted man in America, Walter Cronkite the Leftist, worked stealth campaign for Eisenhower over the Leftist Adlai Stevenson in 1956.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  112. Conservatives tend to depart the field at halftime, while declaring victory.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  113. I wouldn’t call JFK cancelling a subscription thuggish, but fair enough on the other points DCSCA. It looks like there have been media threats from both sides. But we should still object to the last thug doing it now. ‘Sure smells like Russian Totalitarianism.

    Tillman (a95660)

  114. The Media, much like lawyers and politicians, love to stack the rules in their favor so that way they can lie, cheat and steal with impunity. Something the rest of us can’t do without serious consequences. They do it and eh ….. I get to hear about the Constitution and the such.

    All Trump is doing is pointing out the obvious.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  115. Beldar

    I join you in not getting riled. But posts like these could be useful data points-like pencil marks on a doorway charting Mr Trump’s growth or decline.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  116. “Richard, is your name?”

    “Call me Dick”

    “I’m sorry!”

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  117. Let’s wait to see if Trump Dumps “You could learn a lot from a dummy” ads.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  118. 109 – Now that’s a huge concern.

    Lenny (5ea732)

  119. @111. Ben, desperation is to be expected when the arc of history is bending away from you. ‘In-case-of-emergency- break-glass-and-shout-Reagan’ doesn’t work anymore. Last time he was on the ballot was November, 1984- 33 years ago. Do the math and figure out how old you are now to have actually voted for him. Hint: closer to the end than the beginning.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  120. CFarleigh

    The thing is, now you can take your NBC to town, son.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  121. But it’s the same anti-intellectualism then, as now.

    “There you go again” is what Patterico said to you. No back-up. Just bluster.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  122. @113. Right, Til,– but there’s a difference from reacting to individual incidents as opposed to establishing it as administration policy from the executive, which the Big Dick obviously did; similarly, Reagan opted for heavy duty image managing w/Deaver as part of selling policy. Not worried about Trump outgasing about this; in today’s media universe, w/so many platforms available and growing, nothing is going to stay hidden for long. but every time he cracks wise about this, it’s that much less air devoted to hurricane relief, bump stocks, North Korea and, of course, the Russia mess, whichj in the end, will likely bring him down in the end.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  123. Heh…yeah, I ain’t no Ruby and NBC is mighty damn far from being my love. But I think I get your drift.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  124. @83 Ben Burn

    The Trump/anti-Trump containment vessel is rupturing! She canna hold captain!

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  125. 118..you betcha! I’m glad the Majestic Three are there to catch the ‘football ‘

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  126. Pin

    It’s more dramatic..like Solomon offering to solve the dispute by halving the child.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  127. What happened to that internet off switch? That’s the real threat-isnt it?

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  128. Ben burn, at 109:

    if that report is true, this is an extremely dangerous situation, because even if in this case it’s better for the appointed officials to treat the elected official as a Merovingian puppet, doing so creates a precedent that threatens to destroy the principle of democratic control.

    aphrael (b953f5)

  129. Yes Aphrael. But civilian control over the military doesn’t seem wise at this juncture.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  130. Never thought I would support a military coup.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  131. Did NBC say Solomon was going to cut the baby in half? Fake News. In my day we had half a dead baby and we were glad for it.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  132. @121. Ben, like a rocks in a stream, facts are stubborn things. But the water moves around them as it flows down hill.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  133. 131

    I thought we were talking about Pattericos splitting headache.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  134. @131. John Chancellor pretty much handled The Spiro back in the day; NBC will manage The Donald as well, today.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  135. @103 Ben Burn

    Get out of the Trump outrage market. Counterfeiters have debased it.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  136. 135

    Supply exceeds demand for the market. I

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  137. @85. No, Mr. Feet.

    Prefer a free press and Oktoberfest in West Berlin.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  138. Octoberfest? I’ll drink to that!

    Tillman (a95660)

  139. Ben Burn @112

    Idling in a parking lot for two hours after a game isn’t environmentally friendly.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  140. Ben Burn @121

    Pol Pot was anti-intellectual.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  141. DCSCA

    You do know water erodes rock, right? And scissors and paper.

    Pinandpuller (c8c8b2)

  142. when the NBC fake news propaganda sluts do fake news all up in it at what point is is appropriate to challenge their license?

    some people say never ever ever

    but NBC is corrupt partisan and america-hating just like the national NFL pedophile league

    both of these institutions have fallen to the long march

    and everyone knows it

    so the question of how people can push back against that kind of corruption and fascism is a good one to ask

    and I applaud President Trump for asking it

    he’s a dilly bar and a loaded baked potato that’s for sure

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  143. @141. It rounds the sharper edges over eons but the core remains rock solid.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  144. @Patterico,

    The other and huge elephant in the room since 2008 is the infamous Citizens United ruling and the law that it challenged. That the left has been against free speech before it was for free speech that it agreed with it. Have some fun and stroll Wikipedia [yes Wikipedia] connections of 1st amendment challenges that are tangential to the CU vs DEC case. It’s amazing how many of these are attempts to shut down speech or association by left wing organizations under the guise of saving the country, constitution [purposely uncaptialized because they don’t view it the same way as most conservatives], and those affected by “free speech advocates”.

    That said, the worst part about this lashing out by the white house is it tried to claim the moral high ground from Obama. So either the high ground is a mole hill now or it’s on top of the digger that has created the hole of the government/nation now. This isn’t 4d CHESS or whatever it’s pure stupidity. This just reinforces my growing belief that Trump and his inner circle are as much GOPe as the ones they rail against and politically are more in line with Southern Agrarian Liberal Republican ideals.

    I sense it will get worse before it gets better.

    Charles (fb4eda)

  145. at what point is *it* appropriate to challenge their license i mean

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  146. @ Patterico (#60): Thank you, I think that’s a useful clarification to your argument.

    I further agree with Pin’s observation (#115) that “posts like these could be useful data points-like pencil marks on a doorway charting Mr Trump’s growth or decline.” My only criticism was intended to be non-substantive, a matter of emphasis and tone — and even that limited to the last bit beginning with “To the rest of you:”

    This wasn’t a surprise. Trump has filed and lost frivolous litigation that demonstrated utter ignorance of the First Amendment as a private citizen, so of course this won’t be the last time Trump tweets hysterical threats at any opponent upon whom his gaze settles (or, I suppose, his TV remote brings before his eyes).

    And I don’t even dispute that threats from him, empty or not, themselves have a corrosive effect on civil discussion and civil liberties. We’ve had a corrosive POTUS since January 2009 IMHO, and this particular aspect of Trump’s corrosiveness — the NY limousine liberal’s contemptual oblivion (or oblivious contempt) for civil liberties — is something he indeed shares with Obama, the Clintons, and sizeable numbers of other leftists. (Not all, by any means; and I have no hesitation acknowledging and saluting honest voices from the Left who do still understand and support civil liberties, e.g., Allen Dershowitz.)

    So I predict and expect no “growth” from Trump. One can but hope, and trust in both fallible humans in high positions around him and, ultimately, in the core mechanisms of government created by the Founders.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  147. She knows the game, that’s an automatic didqualifier.

    Ah Mr. Peabody’s* appearance reminds me why hasn’t vanity fair done an expose of weinstein, rhetorical of course?

    * at new York he orchestrated Murdoch fils of ailes and o’reilly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  148. Any conservative who can’t vitiate his/her critique of Trump without a rabbit punch on Obama is not worthy of the name conservative.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  149. No one but the 22nd Amendment fired Obama, Ben

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  150. Mr. Ace has a good post up

    i think he gets one thing wrong though

    i think the fcc has moved to an auction-based allocation of broadcast licenses already

    maybe

    it could also be that they’re slicing the spectrum with more granularity as people shift to digital broadcasting from analogue, but i need to do a lot more click click click to understand where we are

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. Stephen Bannon, who was fired as White House chief strategist in August, once served as a member of Cambridge Analytica’s board of directors. Hedge fund billionaire and Trump backer Robert Mercer has also invested significantly in the company.

    http://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/355010-cambridge-analytica-asked-to-provide-info-to-house-intel-committee

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  152. Yes citizens united provided the wrong remedy to the problem, remember Obama made much better use if the packs, which weinstein probably watered like a plant, like Maher and freeman did.

    narciso (d1f714)

  153. @145. Go read the FCC rules and regs Mr. Feet and quill your letters accordingly.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  154. Trump and his inner circle are as much GOPe as the ones they rail against and politically are more in line with Southern Agrarian Liberal Republican ideals.

    Who are some modern day examples?

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  155. NBC will manage The Donald as well, today.”

    Will they make him explode like a GM truck?

    “Dateline’s report on Nov. 17 featured 14 min. of balanced debate, capped by 57 seconds of crash footage that explosively showed how the gas tanks of certain old GM trucks could catch fire in a sideways collision.

    Following a tip, GM hired detectives, searched 22 junkyards for 18 hours, and found evidence to debunk almost every aspect of the crash sequence. Last week, in a devastating press conference, GM showed that the conflagration was rigged, its causes misattributed, its severity overstated and other facts distorted. Two crucial errors: NBC said the truck’s gas tank had ruptured, yet an X ray showed it hadn’t; NBC consultants set off explosive miniature rockets beneath the truck split seconds before the crash — yet no one told the viewers.”

    From hiding fireworks to spiking stories about Harvey Weinstein…..Katie Couric even left and did her slick edit job on NRA members, she’s like a carrier for NBC fraud.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  156. @150– Now Ben, O’s admimistration was hounding reporters as well- but certainly not on the policy scale of the Big Dick.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  157. Don’t tempt the “Get yo hand out of my pockets” memes.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  158. Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and that chameleon Kennedy were the bare majority on Citizens United so you reconstructions can go fish..

    Ask yourself the salient question…CUI BONO?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  159. @157. Would prefer they play him like a quiz show, ‘Twenty-One’ and give him all the correct answers ahead of time.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  160. DC. Obama pissed me off many times doing his Jackie Robinson when we needed Cassius Clay.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  161. Mr. DCSCA the important thing is our president has once again given us the catalyst for a necessary conversation about things we’ve been talking around and not about for far too long

    he’s a magnificent leadership and a doughty ship’s captain that’s for sure

    we have strawberries and eggs and pickles and yams for lunch and lamb belly with wild mushrooms for dinner

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  162. HEDONISTS FOR TRUMP, eh happy teeth?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  163. @162. It’s always perilous incorporating ‘flag waving’ as part of your marketing strategy. Back in the day, int’l carriers discovered displaying a flag legend on aircraft tails and fuselages became a dubious attention getter.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  164. i love him so much

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  165. @164. Yes, Mr.Feet, it’s been the most entertaining year in decades! Here’s to seven more seasons of ‘Dallas’!

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  166. http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-20150125-column.html

    The most shocking finding is that spending by so-called Super PACs — organizations whose contribution limits have been eviscerated by Supreme Court rulings — has reached $1 billion since Citizens United. Worse, more than $600 million of that total has come from just 195 donors and their spouses. That’s why Georgetown University law professor David Cole recently labeled Citizens United the Supreme Court’s “billion-dollar mistake.”

    Ben burn (428214)

  167. Mistake? That’s called Triumph in their little circle

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  168. @163. Ben, reflecting IMO, too much Spock, not enough Kirk.

    Still, Osama’s dead.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  169. SCOTUS: Job Creators.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  170. And Anwar Alwaki..but Trump hasn’t killed off healthcare yet.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  171. Taken down NYT..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  172. Michael hilzik? Snorfle,

    Oddly he had let Al Baghdad and al joulani build up there franchise along with the likes of bin qumu.

    narciso (d1f714)

  173. Mr. Feet, in 2024, TeeVee America will look forward to the New GOP looking back, shouting ‘Reagan! Reagan!’ in 2024. Nostalgia is always big w/t elderly.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  174. So taking the Peabody’s piece at face value, an alleged conversation by chiller and trump whoncomesvfrom neither source.

    narciso (d1f714)

  175. “Nostalgia is always big w/t elderly.”

    Especially those of a certain Party who tend to forget the bad sh*t

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  176. he’ll cast a long shadow, our tawny shaihulud

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  177. Unlike traditional presidential libraries, the Obama Presidential Center will not actually have library materials. That is—it will not house former President Obama’s manuscripts, documents, letters, and gifts from his tenure in office—items presidential centers around the country all have.
    Instead, it will include space for outdoor functions and picnics, a basketball court, recording studio, sledding hill, children’s play garden, and more.”

    https://pjmedia.com/blog/liveblogevent/wednesdays-hot-mic-28/entry-215429/

    harkin (7dcbff)

  178. Puerto Rico outbreak of a bacteria that doesn’t need an opening as it still through the skin.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leptospirosis

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  179. You mean kwizach haderach,

    narciso (d1f714)

  180. Drills through the skin.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  181. I’m with Patterico 71.

    DRJ (15874d)

  182. he’s a pretty awesome guy Mr. narciso

    disruptive some say

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  183. So if no one cares about HF’s reference above to Ted Cruz’s threat to SC broadcast licensees, does anyone have the guts to ask Patterico how his concerns, passionately expressed above, may or may not be relevant to the Communications Act of 1934? Don’t be afraid. He doesn’t ban people at all, ever, for asking impertinent questions so this one should be quite safe.

    Surely I’m not the only one here who reads Ace of Spades. Hell, Patterico even has it listed on the side bar as a favorite site. And I believe Ace reciprocates.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  184. Mr. Ace has a good post up

    A very careful explanation of why those in charge should be able to gently remind broadcasters who run afoul of the authorities that their right to speak is a privilege granted through the good graces of those in government. Harry Reid could not have put it better.

    Patterico (03f629)

  185. His a blunt instrument, I think what is required.

    narciso (d1f714)

  186. DCDCDSDA and Ben burn,

    I once again read some of your comments on the phone, unable to filter them out. What in the name of all that is holy are you talking about with all this sad shaking of the head about how I am ignoring facts? That is something I never do. Let’s have some clear explanations pronto.

    Patterico (03f629)

  187. Missed hf’s reference to Ace. Hey, I can’t read every single thing here. Somebody’s gotta work in the real world to pay lawyer’s salaries. My deepest apologies.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  188. An addendum,,of course ypi can’t expect honesty from the rizzotto press

    https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewBeatty/status/918186529029226502?p=v

    narciso (d1f714)

  189. I’ll get to that now that the light switch is on but first…

    “right to speak is a privilege granted through the good graces of those in government. Harry Reid could not have put it better.”

    Citation for Harry Reid’s concurrence?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  190. Carrying over from the lastvthread;

    http://saulmontes-bradley.com

    narciso (d1f714)

  191. Surely I’m not the only one here who reads Ace of Spades.

    I don’t read him. A fifty-year old virgin (with the possible exception of the occasional potted plant) could not possibly have perspectives that would interest me.

    nk (dbc370)

  192. The wok, blows hot and cold, he was elaborating on harsanyi’s rather idealistic take.

    narciso (d1f714)

  193. Citation for Harry Reid’s concurrence?

    If you can’t be bothered to read the posts you comment on, why are you here?

    Now answer the question I asked, or get moderated.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  194. If the “public trustee” provision of the Communications of 1934 does not, first and foremost, require broadcasters to inform the American people about the antics of a demented baboon in the White House, it does not require anything.

    nk (dbc370)

  195. Mr. Ace gets close to the most best questions of all i think Mr. Patterico

    are broadcast networks necessary

    and are they useful

    and to whom

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  196. This is just bad on Trump’s part and he does need to be called out for it. Isn’t there anyone in this Administration who can give him sound advice? And will he take it if he gets it?

    ROCHF (877dba)

  197. “” I don’t care if the left denounces it too (as they inevitably will). The Trumpers and the anti-anti-Trumpers don’t understand this, but what’s right is right . . . even if the left happens to agree!”

    Well you’ve certainly confused me..unless you’re just conflicted over any agreement with the Left.”

    IS this the comment in question?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  198. What exactly is your specific question?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  199. @Patterico:A very careful explanation of why those in charge should be able to gently remind broadcasters who run afoul of the authorities that their right to speak is a privilege granted through the good graces of those in government.

    I think I would characterize Ace’s post as “if your business model depends on a government-granted monopoly, don’t be surprised when the government meddles in it”.

    NBC has a right to speak. They do not have a right to exclude other people from the broadcast spectrum. Their monopoly, like all real monopolies, was granted and enforced by the government and their business is rent-seeking.

    Frederick (63491b)

  200. The Dems will always have their JFK and his Spamelot and FDR and his baggage. Talk about ancient history.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  201. Is anyone is LAPD or Attorney’s Office looking into Harvey Weinstein raping women and using his Staff to aid and abet in these attacks?

    Asking for a friend who wants to make sure THUGS get what is coming to them.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  202. #182 Will the Obama Library also have a Social Services Offices to apply for Food Stamps, Medicaid and Section8 Housing? And a Civil Right Office to file grievances against white people?

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  203. Ben burn’s:

    But it’s the same anti-intellectualism then, as now.

    “There you go again” is what Patterico said to you. No back-up. Just bluster.

    and DCSCSCDCSA’s

    @121. Ben, like a rocks in a stream, facts are stubborn things. But the water moves around them as it flows down hill.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  204. Ok. I gotta go. If you must moderate..moderate.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  205. What is, NBC which thought Reagan was going to start world war 3, so this an old complaint re Robert schemer and strobe talbot, enbiggened a suggested rebuilding of our nuclear triad, remember when that was deemed important.

    Personally I would suggest he bring attention to the awan case. But as with Charlie gard those posts go down the mrmiry hole first

    narciso (d1f714)

  206. If Broadcast NBC had a right to free speech, they’d wouldn’t need a license to speak to begin with.

    So clearly removing their license is not infringing on their speech.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  207. Is all of this dangerous? Yes it is. One man’s propaganda is another man’s truth, and vice versa. And there is no doubt that liberals attempt to use these same “public interest” requirements to deny licenses to Fox TV and get Rush Limbaugh taken off the air.

    But the left is already doing these things. Why can’t the right call the left’s propaganda for what it is and demand that they, too, “serve the public interest,” the whole public’s, and not just White Gentry Liberals’ interests?

    I don’t think I actually want to go down this road, but I’m not sure I object to the networks being reminded that their broadcast licenses are granted by the government — but they don’t have to be.

    I’m sure I do object to it. And people who defend it are not on my side.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  208. Ok. I gotta go. If you must moderate..moderate.

    You got it. Moderation will stop when you answer my questions. Same goes for DCSCA.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  209. NBC has a right to speak. They do not have a right to exclude other people from the broadcast spectrum

    Bingo. Why, it’s as if many of the legal beagles here do not understand that our rights are not GRANTED by the Constitution but are RECOGNIZED as unalienable. NBC has no rights to the broadcast spectrum. They rely on the government to protect that spectrum based in the fact that they pay a licensing fee. Their right to speak, their right to broadcast on a network owned by others, be that the public airwaves or CableCorps is not inalienable. It is, by very definition, alienable.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  210. those posts go down the memory hole first

    not unlike a certain hateful san juan mayor’s emblazoned boobs

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  211. If I had a right to drive, then I want not need a drivers license.

    Therefore taking away my license is not infringing on my rights because I never had the right to being with.

    It is a privilege to have a driver’s license.

    Ergo taking away Broadcast NBC license is a suspension of a privilege they were given.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  212. @191. ????

    #59, #68, #81, #90 and #158 are fairly self-explanatory from my POV. Ben can speak for himself. My chief point is this is not strictly ‘a page from the left’ thing but a complete chapter and verse from the Nixon Administration– a fella our Captain admires and who, if memory serves, has a note from the Big Dick himself framed on his wall suggesting he’d make a good president.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  213. That was my impression of your comments at 82 an 93 which I saw as non-responsive, Patterico.

    IS dumb #1 And dumb #2 worth your effort?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  214. Is anyone is LAPD or Attorney’s Office looking into Harvey Weinstein raping women and using his Staff to aid and abet in these attacks?

    Curious about this as well. Hearing most of this sort of news coming out of NYC. Seems Hollywood being where it is, surely some of these nasty goings on must have occurred in the general LA legal dominion.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  215. Moderation will stop when you answer my questions.

    this is kinda like when NBC has to reapply for its broadcasting license

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  216. Ace glosses over the whole evolution of radio spectrum management by the government. Regulations go as far back as 1912 with the Commerce department being the regulation body. The need for regulation came from the fact that some folks would routinely jam via more powerful signals in the same band, radio stations they disapproved of and/or were in commercial competition. This band width attacks also blocked early ship board wireless radio/telegraph from working to summon help. There are a couple of good books on the evolution of radio and electromagnetic spectrum law. A place to start is “The History of US Electronic Warfare vol. I” by the Association of Old Crows. I have a few others but am traveling and don’t have ready access to my shelf.

    That said the government interest is broadcast networks (radio and TV) relay timely information to the population in the need of disaster and civil defense.

    Charles (cf134a)

  217. #59, #68, #81, #90 and #158 are fairly self-explanatory from my POV. Ben can speak for himself. My chief point is this is not strictly ‘a page from the left’ thing but a complete chapter and verse from the Nixon Administration– a fella our Captain admires and who, if memory serves, has a note from the Big Dick himself framed on his wall suggesting he’d make a good president.

    The Watergate point is a good one. I acknowledge that you are right about that.

    I don’t know WTF the “then change your header” comment means, and this whole thing:

    @121. Ben, like a rocks in a stream, facts are stubborn things. But the water moves around them as it flows down hill.

    I don’t remember responding to the Watergate point or even seeing it until just now. Are you talking about the Watergate point or something else?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  218. Trump’s threats aren’t limited to over-the-air broadcast networks. Those networks and their federal licensee stations are indeed in a unique position, legally and practically — but it’s also a position of increasing irrelevancy, a trend that is not going to reverse itself but rather accelerate as we receive more content via internet and (still to a continuing extent) satellite and cable competitors.

    If we were to re-do from scratch the system for allocating frequencies in the public airwaves, I’d choose something quite different from the system that actually evolved, which has indeed been abused for political purposes, mostly by the left lately, but with countervailing examples from the right less recently. Nevertheless, I’d work very hard in that system to ensure that it did not become (more of) a tool by which one party, when in power, could dictate content regulation — especially political content regulation — of the broadcast networks. I’d be inclined to rely on markets rather than diktats to correct for that, but I concede that the exclusive franchises now in place only do that slowly and imperfectly, albeit, I’m quite certain, inexorably.

    Regardless, I view Trump’s current fulminations as bullying, not a serious threat in the short term to either those broadcast networks nor the public welfare generally. Depending on what else he does beyond tweeting, and what traction it threatens to get, I might revise that impression. I don’t watch the broadcast networks unless practically compelled to do so, e.g., to watch a presidential debate not carried elsewhere. I can’t remember — but I’m sure it’s been at least ten years — since I watched a single hour of regular network programming, and not even much network news except, perhaps, when flipping channels to survey the network reporting on election nights. Even my sports viewing is increasingly on non-over-the-air network channels.

    I mentioned earlier that Trump can’t possibly appoint and get confirmed federal judges who would agree with any efforts by him to reduce the First Amendment’s strictures against government interference with free speech, especially political speech. He couldn’t get support for that in Congress, either. But he’d also run up against the state laws of fifty different states, each of whom define their own libel and defamation laws, and each of which has parallel free speech protections in their own state constitutions, over which neither Trump nor the SCOTUS have any power to control or overrule.

    Our host mentioned that as the target of Kimberlin’s vexatious litigation, he’s been subjected to a great deal of vexation — emotional and otherwise — while the system cranked around to a final but inevitable set of rulings against Kimberlin. That our host maintains his faith in the First Amendment despite such vexation is, in my opinion, a tribute to him, not only to his intellectual honesty but to his genuine zeal for civil liberties and the restrictions that must be imposed upon government generally, and the federal government in particular, to preserve those liberties despite the acts of miscreant exploiters like Kimberlin. Kimberlin, thankfully, is a very rare and particularly ingenious and toxic breed of vexatious litigant — one of whom the rest of us should take note and be glad we’ve not been vexed by first-hand.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  219. Unmoderate according to your own credo…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  220. #218 … with all the concern about thuggish behavior by men in power you’d think they’d must some outrage there in LA.

    You’d think with a woman in charge they’d show interest.

    Asking for a friend.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  221. Gotta go..cheers.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  222. @Charles:Regulations go as far back as 1912 with the Commerce department being the regulation body. The need for regulation came from the fact that some folks would routinely jam via more powerful signals in the same band, radio stations they disapproved of and/or were in commercial competition.

    I’m not convinced that with modern technologies the need for the government to confiscate and allocate the EM spectrum still exists.

    Frederick (63491b)

  223. the government interest is broadcast networks (radio and TV) relay timely information to the population in the need of disaster and civil defense

    let us devote them to this austere and needful purpose

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  224. Damn…124 should read “Unlike their right to speak…”. Which hopefully should be an obvious mistake but i guess I’ll find out shortly…

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  225. Moderation will stop when you answer my questions.

    this is kinda like when NBC has to reapply for its broadcasting license

    It’s not remotely close, since this blog is not the government.

    You are both an idiot and my political enemy.

    I am only sad I didn’t deploy the comment script before seeing your stupid comment. I’ll not make that mistake again tonight.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  226. Alito, Roberts, Scalia, Thomas and that chameleon Kennedy were the bare majority on Citizens United so you reconstructions can go fish..

    Ask yourself the salient question…CUI BONO?

    The problem with Citizens United is that the alternative to the ruling would be government censorship of political publications based on the identity of the publisher. I am 100% opposed to that, just as I am opposed to Trump threatening NBC.

    Chuck Bartowski (211c17)

  227. It seems bhaara was hear no evil, although it probably goes back to fitz’s time at the Sdny.

    narciso (d1f714)

  228. i was kinda perplexed by the header thing too btw

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  229. * Adds Harcourt Fenton Mudd to script*

    My script now coincides almost exactly with my political enemies on this thread: those who support Trump on this. You are all poor citizens who are beneath my attention.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  230. If you need a license to broadcast then you don’t have the right to do so.

    Not hard to get.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  231. The sophistry, the sophistry. Which is why I don’t read Ace (besides that he takes the best parts of the hobo and hogs the Valuright bottle).

    The source of the broadcaster’s license, or its God-given right to it, is a moot point. The discussion is whether the license should be threatened arbitrarily and capriciously by a badger-headed, orange-skinned, New York pansy who didn’t like what the holder of that license said about him?

    What’s next? Take away the driver’s license of the kid who delivers my family’s Sunday New York Times because of an editorial Trump doesn’t like?

    nk (dbc370)

  232. You are all poor citizens who are beneath my attention.

    Well, there it is. Say no more.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  233. I suggest a new name for the site with all this censorship thing going around ….

    Patterico’s Echo Chamber.

    Bye Happyfeet!!!!!!!

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  234. #235 … A window into the underlying character of the person who wrote it.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  235. I regret having taken the trouble to figure out who asked the question that CFarleigh reposted in #218. Friends and neighbors, if you will take a nano-second to reflect, or if you’ve read any of the previous posts over the last decade and a half in which our host has mentioned his job, you’d instantly realize that this is an entirely inappropriate question which presumes that our host would betray the confidential inner workings of his employer. Please get a clue and stop embarrassing yourself by asking questions which any fool should know that he cannot possibly answer, and won’t.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  236. Sorry, #219 (or maybe something came out of moderation); it’s the question about the LAPD & DA’s office.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  237. Trump should go to the DMZ and peer into north korea and let someone else take care of nbc.

    mg (31009b)

  238. The source of the broadcaster’s license, or its God-given right to it, is a moot point. The discussion is whether the license should be threatened arbitrarily and capriciously by a badger-headed, orange-skinned, New York pansy who didn’t like what the holder of that license said about him?

    Speaking of sophistry.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  239. 198 – Patt, wow Blue Crab Blvd. A blast from the past.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  240. I recently heard the Yellowstone Caldera can wake up and explode in as little as a few years, they used to think it would take hundred to get from woke to mass eruption.

    SarahW (3164f0)

  241. #234

    Well NK, licenses to drive are taken away from people all the time for lots of thing.

    If a News Network can not be counted to tell the truth then how isn’t that like having your license taken away for too many moving violations?

    Trump isn’t proposing doing the judging. He is questioning why it is not being judged.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  242. What do y’all think he is, some kind of Jim Comey blabbermouth? Geez.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  243. I regret having taken the trouble to figure out who asked the question that CFarleigh reposted in #218. Friends and neighbors, if you will take a nano-second to reflect, or if you’ve read any of the previous posts over the last decade and a half in which our host has mentioned his job, you’d instantly realize that this is an entirely inappropriate question which presumes that our host would betray the confidential inner workings of his employer. Please get a clue and stop embarrassing yourself by asking questions which any fool should know that he cannot possibly answer, and won’t.

    That’s nicer than what I was going to say, which was going to be along the lines of: “You think that if I knew, I would tell you?”

    Patterico (115b1f)

  244. Yeah, I pulled some comments out of moderation.

    Ben burn:

    Nonresponsive to WHAT? You remain in moderation until you answer this PLAINLY.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  245. 198 – Patt, wow Blue Crab Blvd. A blast from the past.

    The post was from 2010, and it was gathering posts that were already in the past at that time.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  246. #241 Please get a clue and stop embarrassing yourself by asking questions which any fool should know that he cannot possibly answer, and won’t.

    Please get a clue that no one here actually thought anyone would answer it.

    Do you really think you are that bright and everyone else that dumb?

    LOL, talk about going over one’s head. Trust me, no one comes here to get the skinny on LA Crime Fighting. LOL.

    Poor Biggie..

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  247. ”You think that if I knew, I would tell you?”

    Get over yourself. It’s a legitimate question that wasn’t necessarily directed directly at you but a curiosity in general, though raised by someone who possibly was directing the question at you, given how this news item has run.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  248. @213. ???? Believe it was answered.

    Suspect you’re misunderstanding what we– or a least I- was discussing w/Ben; my reference #119 w/him and an earlier comment on Cronkite as well.

    My POV in discussing the issue on this thread, per your request in #93, was made w/was made #59, #68, #81. #90. And you’ll likely find the major media outlets concurring. This ramped up w/Nixon- hardly a lefty.

    Maybe it’s just a simple matter of cross-posting.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  249. @Frederick,
    So modern technology is a fickled thing. The need to manage the EM spectrum came from folks abusing it a century plus ago, think modern day troll/4chan types with homebrew radios pretending to be police dispatchers or US Rescue Service or even Fleet HQ for US Naval forces afloat. That said with our modern tech is fragile and a good amount of sunspot or even an EMP device could render our modern tech useless. Heck, you could even look at the failure of the government in PR and await delivery of information over AM/FM broadcast networks and relief efforts are in other freq bands.

    In addition government EM spectrum management is supposed to help stop problems like cell phone jammers, garage door devices operating correctly even when near radars and to prevent interference in aerial and nautical navigational systems.

    So there is a “societal need for government regulation” also, the spectrum is finite with current tech. want to make Musk like cash? Figure how to use bands above 300 GHz and under 300Hz useful in commercial applications.

    Charles (cf134a)

  250. 235 – “My script now coincides almost exactly with my political enemies on this thread: those who support Trump on this. You are all poor citizens who are beneath my attention.“

    Does saying that this is just Trump talking out his backside on Twitter and rather than starting the slide toward death camps will instead amount to nothing, count as “support Trump”?

    harkin (7dcbff)

  251. Speaking of which iarecwevever going to see those memos, comedy wrote, which prompted thecspecial.prosecutor, or are they stored innthe same place as the ark. Same for fusion Gus’s founders and sources, the ones they probably share with derwick partners

    narciso (d1f714)

  252. #253 Folks, I am mocking a phony. I am not here for “Inside LA Crime News”

    Still haven’t found poor Mr Wallace’s killer.

    Imagine how long it will take them to get Harvey Weinstein.

    Oooffaaaaaaa!!!!!!!

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  253. If LAPD and DA is looking for a witness and victim list for Harvey I suggest they read a (one) British Tabloid.

    About like 50 women listed.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  254. Remember this warning?

    I could write a book about what a narcissistic, nasty, self-absorbed, vapid, shallow, statist, Constitution-stomping prick Donald Trump is. But let’s just consider two issues — just two! — that should be near and dear to the hearts of anyone who cares about liberty: his love of dictators and hatred of free speech.

    TRUMP LOVES DICTATORS
    ***
    TRUMP LOVES THREATENING TRUTHFUL SPEECH WITH LAWSUITS (*)

    (*) And now that he is President, government action.

    DRJ (15874d)

  255. 246 – I recently heard the Yellowstone Caldera can wake up and explode in as little as a few years, they used to think it would take hundred to get from woke to mass eruption.

    Speaking of; good thing the NYTimes got rid of all those editors:

    “An earlier version of a home page headline for this article misstated the location of a supervolcano that drives geological activity. It is beneath Yellowstone National Park, not Yosemite.”

    harkin (7dcbff)

  256. 223 is my simple answer Patterico. Either read the complete comment or don’t bother. Have a bad day, did we?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  257. Good point about potential prosecution of Weinstein, I’m sure they’ll get right on that.

    As for NBC, just another fake news story put out there for the willfully gullible to embrace. Until the next one tomorrow. Tune in, same time, same station.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  258. Trump’s remarks are foolish and off the cuff. But he will get NBC to think a bit more before reflexively posting anti-Trump propaganda. They’ll still post it, with anonymous sources though. Those are good enough to bash Trump, but not good enough to go after Weinstein. Even when they had the women on video saying he abused them.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  259. They would have, and probably did of Reagan, (Marcos pinochet rios mont) whereas the last afministratiom was solicitous ofvthe ayatollah, the Castro regime, whoever the former select to run caracas) while throwing shade on Poland

    narciso (d1f714)

  260. I know you fear my words perhaps even more than Maguire. You must ban me or allow me my say. I am not one of your vessels who must knuckle under to your authority. You already use your limited power to bully those under your flag. I will have to share my opinion somewhere. Perhaps I serve your interests better here.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  261. No they all played the Victorian gent, while looking the other way as the maidens were thrown to the minotaur.

    narciso (d1f714)

  262. @223I don’t know WTF the “then change your header” comment means, and this whole thing

    You posted “But I am increasingly sick of partisanship so rank that it defends even attacks on the fundamental principles of our country.” yet your provacative header is phrased to do just that, in my POV. This is not a ‘page from the left’ thing- but totally Nixonian, chapter and verse; hardly a lefty and Trump ‘yugely’ admires him.

    Maybe it’s an age thing but every move he makes on the media would make Nixon and Agnew proud. From from my POV, the rock /stream note was a Watergate, Nixon, Reagan reference. I think Ben just misinterpreted it or you did. I’ll take the hit either way, but from my POV, the earlier posts answered your questions on the topic of this thread.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  263. You posted “But I am increasingly sick of partisanship so rank that it defends even attacks on the fundamental principles of our country.” yet your provacative header is phrased to do just that, in my POV. This is not a ‘page from the left’ thing- but totally Nixonian, chapter and verse; hardly a lefty and Trump ‘yugely’ admires him.

    What header? “Harangues that just make sense”? What about that suggests support for rank partisanship ignoring facts? You’re making no sense to me.

    I have already conceded the Nixon point — and not even grudgingly. You’re totally right about it.

    But I don’t get this thing about the header.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  264. @ NJRob, who wrote in part (#263):

    Trump’s remarks are foolish and off the cuff. But he will get NBC to think a bit more before reflexively posting anti-Trump propaganda. They’ll still post it, with anonymous sources though.

    Yes, no, yes: They do not take this seriously as anything except another Trump tweet to rail against and thereby prop up their ratings/readership and to thus preserve their sinking relevancy. They understand that these are mostly empty threats. It won’t slow them down a bit.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  265. 223 is my simple answer Patterico. Either read the complete comment or don’t bother. Have a bad day, did we?

    When I release things from moderation it screws up the numbers, so please don’t refer to comments by numbers. What is your point? Link the comment or make the argument.

    I know you fear my words perhaps even more than Maguire. You must ban me or allow me my say. I am not one of your vessels who must knuckle under to your authority. You already use your limited power to bully those under your flag. I will have to share my opinion somewhere. Perhaps I serve your interests better here.

    LOL. I couldn’t care less what you say generally as you bore me. But you post too many damned comments and I think you degrade the experience for a lot of people here as a result.

    You will, in fact, knuckle under to my demands that you explain yourself, or the moderation remains permanent. Because it’s my blog and I make the rules.

    The next comment from you that is published will explain what you think I was being nonresponsive to. If you don’t want to do that, then no more comments get published.

    Also, it’s vassal, not vessel. Now knuckle under.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  266. Heh! Ben burn/Semanticleo is an experienced ban-ee. He had a new IP address in reserve, ready to go.

    nk (dbc370)

  267. @ Patterico: I’m only reading one side of the conversation, but I think the reference to “header” might have instead been meant to read “headline,” and to object to your attribution of Trump’s threats as being a page from the Dems’ books.

    Or it might be a reference to Captain Queeg again, I just don’t know and really don’t care.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  268. No, he is kinda sorta replying to me so I have been releasing the comments.

    He looks like he is about to be a return ban-ee though. Because I have told him to explain himself fully and completely and it appears he doesn’t want to, deeming that “knuckling under.” But when someone accuses me of dishonesty in some form, I have the right to demand that they fully explain themselves, and so knuckle under he shall — or remain silent here from now on.

    FEAR MY WRATH!!! KNUCKLE UNDER!!!!!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  269. @270. The language in the header: “TRUMP THUGGERY: Trump Takes a Page from the Left, Threatens NBC” License”

    What he did was lift chapter and verse from Nixon; hardly a lefty.

    And my point again is it contradicts your own words- ‘“But I am increasingly sick of partisanship so rank that it defends even attacks on the fundamental principles of our country.”’ as CFarleigh bothered to post in #77.

    Wouldn’t make a big thing out of it as a lot of language gets lost in the crossfire.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  270. @ Patterico: I’m only reading one side of the conversation, but I think the reference to “header” might have instead been meant to read “headline,” and to object to your attribution of Trump’s threats as being a page from the Dems’ books.

    Maybe that’s it. I kept reading “header” as a reference to the blog’s tagline. It made no sense to me.

    DCSCA does have a point about Nixon, for sure.

    I’m unmoderating him, now that I understand what his point was. Thank you, Beldar.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  271. It’s a “headline.” But never mind, Beldar explained it. I get it now.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  272. Nixon abused his power, no doubt, but if you want to see a politician who made himself a vast personal fortune and used a government license to reward friends and punish enemies, go read Caro’s series about LBJ, particularly “Path to Power.” Nixon was an amateur.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  273. He was a jackalope at Mcguire’s site, no matter how many times the host gave him latitude, he follows the mo of a certain dismissed college lecturer from the clarmont circle.

    narciso (d1f714)

  274. FEAR MY WRATH!!! KNUCKLE UNDER!!!!!

    That’s Trumpian. It’s catchy, isn’t it. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  275. FEAR MY WRATH!!! KNUCKLE UNDER!!!!!

    There is a certain tongue in cheek quality that you may have missed, responsive to Ben burn’s defiant “I WILL NOT KNUCKLE UNDER!” attitude.

    It’s not that hard. I don’t have to agree with whatever his point is. I just want him to explain it to me because, like your point, I am confused by it, and consequently annoyed.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  276. He was a jackalope at Mcguire’s site, no matter how many times the host gave him latitude, he follows the mo of a certain dismissed college lecturer from the clarmont circle.

    He has 41 comments on this thread. And it’s not like they’re all gold, adding to the discussion and causing people to think and reflect. He needs to settle down. And if he is going to make accusations about me he is going to have to be clear about what they are.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  277. I would taken ‘kneel before zod,’ snorfle.

    What exactly was nixons great abuse of power again, that required his removal from office.

    I know it is catechism now, but remind me again?

    narciso (d1f714)

  278. Trump’s latest suggestion is sure to appeal to the dimwits who make up a part of Trump’s base.

    Did you copy that comment from a Hillary speech? That’s just the sort of attitude and statement that turns a voter into a Trump supporter. Instead if “dimwits” use Deplorables, you know you want to.

    Hoagie:

    Do you deny that dimwits make up a portion of Trump’s base? Come on. Dimwits make up a portion of any politician’s base.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  279. “Nixon abused his power, no doubt, but if you want to see a politician who made himself a vast personal fortune and used a government license to reward friends and punish enemies, go read Caro’s series about LBJ, particularly “Path to Power.” Nixon was an amateur.”

    The Clintons consider LBJ small potatoes in using govt service as a going concern.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  280. Hoagie says I am defending the left on this post, DCSCDCSA says (with more justification) that I am smearing the left.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  281. Hat tip Jim Morrison

    Poor Ronan dead and gone, Left me here to sing his song
    Pretty little man with the blue shirt on
    Poor Ronan dead and gone
    Yeah, back down, turn around slowly
    Try it again, remembering when
    Truth was easy, try it again
    Much too easy, rememberin’ when
    All right, look at the news, Not quite the gospel truth
    Don’t fight you’ll lose it all, can’t fight City Hall
    Well, I’ve got the pukin’ blues
    Runnin’ away, away from L.A.
    Got to find the dock of the bay
    Sure won’t find it back in L.A.
    Runnin’ scared, runnin’ fast
    Scales of justice, law’s an ass
    Well, I’ve got the pukin’ blues
    Runnin’ away, away from L.A.
    Got to find the dock of the bay
    Sure won’t find it back in L.A.
    All right, look at my shoes
    Can’t fight the pukin’ blues
    Don’t fight, too much to lose
    Can’t fight the pukin’ blues
    All right, look at my shoes
    Can’t fight the pukin’ blues
    Don’t fight, too much to lose
    Can’t fight the pukin’ blues

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  282. I really, really wish that Knopf would release a Kindle version of Caro’s The Power Broker: Robert Moses and the Fall of New York. Moses was the real estate mogul upon whom Trump’s daddy, and then Trump, modeled themselves — but smarter, richer, classier, and until recently, more powerful. New York politics has been a sewer practically forever, and government regulation/facilitation of real estate deals and rent control and all the rest has always been a mechanism for graft and corruption. If you’re so inclined, you might click the link I just left and look for the box to check on the right side of the page, across from “More about the Author,” which reads: “Tell the Publisher [you’d like this on Kindle].”

    Someday someone will do as good a job exposing the occasional genius and continual corruption of Bill Clinton in as fine and granular detail as Caro has already done for LBJ — and he’s not quite finished with the series.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  283. I would taken ‘kneel before zod,’ snorfle.

    What exactly was nixons great abuse of power again, that required his removal from office.

    I know it is catechism now, but remind me again?

    I feel like DCSCDSCSA is eager to handle that one, so I’ll leave it to him.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  284. @ narciso (#284), who asked “What exactly was nixons great abuse of power again, that required his removal from office[?]”

    The official version wasn’t ever quite voted out of the House, but would have looked very much like this one. There were lots of people who wanted Nixon removed from office before, and regardless of, any of these specifications — which I’m guessing might be more to your implicit point, yes?

    Beldar (fa637a)

  285. 258, meh…. will we start getting an Eric B or Big Daddy Kane?

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  286. The whole flashback quality of burns long jeremiad, ignores the subsequent research on the matter:
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/19/opinion/was-vietnam-winnable.html?mcubz=0&_r=0

    narciso (d1f714)

  287. FBI’s on teh case. Sure hope it’s not the LA office.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  288. Nixon was a dipstick anyway. Price controls, affirmative action, bigotry, and general shadiness — what wasn’t to love?

    Patterico (115b1f)

  289. FBI, DOJ, SNL – all the same

    mg (31009b)

  290. And how many of those charges would have applied tomthe last administration? Fast and furious, IRS, enabling sundry islamists. The truth is that bill of goods happened because the democrats willed it.

    narciso (d1f714)

  291. Nixon should have started a program to build factories in Mexico to make our goods. Instead China.

    mg (31009b)

  292. The first two, are no doubt, the third debatable. The fourth in the eye of the beholder.

    narciso (d1f714)

  293. What exactly was nixons great abuse of power again, that required his removal from office.

    If memory serves, he wasn’t ‘removed;’- he quit.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  294. Re 295, don’t forget the EPA.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  295. @ harkin, who wrote (#286): “The Clintons consider LBJ small potatoes in using govt service as a going concern.”

    No doubt! My point about LBJ, though, was specific to his acquisition of (what was renamed) KLBJ-AM in Austin and eventually a string of other radio properties, all acquired using his inside information and extremely brazen influence as a congressman over the unprepared and little appreciated FCC, playing dirty tricks on competing bidders when the license suddenly came up for re-award. LBJ had tons of people eager to give him money, but believed for most of his career that he couldn’t accept money from the most conspicuous and promiscuous source, the oil & gas industry. So he used his radio empire — in Lady Bird’s name! — to build their personal fortune. He also used his radio empire to cement his practical political control over the Democratic Party in Texas, which is the only thing he brought to JFK’s ticket as Veep, so in a very real sense LBJ rode that FCC license right into the White House.

    Say what you will about “Celebrity Apprentice,” but it never did that.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  296. Mitt Romney holding doors open for women and talking of binders full of women to interview for jobs is relentlessly hounded and these soulless, pontificating Hollywood frauds rule what remains of American culture. Only a merciful God stands between a decadent LA and a glassed-over existence.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  297. mittens unloaded Jonathon Gruber into our lives.
    Only a republican could achieve such a debacle.

    mg (31009b)

  298. @295. Yes but on an earlier thread many, many moons ago you professed to be a ‘Nixon’ man. Not that there’s anything wrong with that– you were likely too young to vote for him anyway– but a lot of people did- including myself. He betrayed a lot of Americans but still left office w/an approval rating in the mid-20s– not that much lower that Trumps– and the tapes are a gift that keep on giving.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  299. Patterico,

    Thinking about this issue some more this issue some more and the history of the EM spectrum management legislation. Trump might actually lead to a bipartisan support to bring back the infamous “Fairness Doctrine” rule or even equal access/Mayflower Doctrine that was around from earlier legislation. This might be an issue for conservatives and conservative media types.

    Charles (cf134a)

  300. LBJ also parlayed the radio licenses into a TV station, KTBC-7 in Austin — which is now the local Fox affiliate.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  301. “Fast and furious, IRS, enabling sundry islamists.”

    Equally as despicable was using the rare innocent, unarmed black male shot by police and using it as political agitprop as diversion from failed democratic urban policies and toxic cultural pathologies, inflame racial strife and oh yeah start a war on cops.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  302. 272 — I did chuckle, I have to admit it. Well played.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  303. 283 — isn’t there a portion of every political base across the ideological spectrum that consists of dimwits??

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  304. That should have been 285.

    shipwreckedcrew (56b591)

  305. Well I was speaking of official action, holder using the community relations board for thaturposr is notable.

    narciso (d1f714)

  306. Trump might actually lead to a bipartisan support to bring back the infamous “Fairness Doctrine” rule or even equal access/Mayflower Doctrine that was around from earlier legislation.

    Not w/this Congress– or likely any other in the future.

    The FCC killed the FD in ’87 under the Reagan administration w/intent, doing away with a policy — put in place in 1949 — requiring broadcasters of that era to cover controversial issues of public importance and offer contrasting viewpoints on those issues. It opened the floodgates for talk radio and the talking hotheads on the teevee. Then cable blossomed into its unregulated own.

    It’ll never make a come back in this multi-platform media environment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  307. @295. Yes but on an earlier thread many, many moons ago you professed to be a ‘Nixon’ man.

    Because I like you, I won’t say you made that up. I’ll say your memory is faulty. I’m getting soft in my old age. I have never called myself a “Nixon man” in my life.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  308. One winders how they balance this,
    http://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2017/10/11/menendez-trial-prosecution-rests-judge-hear-arguments-dismissing-charges/754258001

    Theccaee might as well not be happening as far as the major outlets are concerned. There is some resemblance to the Raul martinez prosecution nearly 30 years ago

    narciso (d1f714)

  309. @DCDSA,
    First off never say never. Remember almost 20 months ago it was “Trump will never be POTUS”. That said, just like last week there was steam for a civil arms control bill. That concept was considered dead in committee since the end of the FAWB.

    The idea of the Fairness Doctrine being codified law could get traction in an attempt to fight “fake news” and the foreign revelations of influences in news aggregators like FB and others social media.

    Charles (cf134a)

  310. Fake news defined as what ever doesn’t follow the template of the titled piece, yes I can see Mcdonnell and Ryan going along.

    narciso (d1f714)

  311. The piece, rests on one obvious truth, the previous administration and predecessors dos allow thevtriad to degrade, while powers like Russia went on a build up, and smaller rogue states like n Korea expanded their fledgling stockpiles contract the framework

    narciso (d1f714)

  312. Maybe Trump means H Bomb redistribution. We build back and everyone wets their beak.

    Great idea. Idi Amin with an H-bomb. I guess it’s OK if the teachers unions don’t get one.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  313. Since you don’t remember. It was a Judge who ordered a halt to a video of an abortion providers convention apparently because the conventioners came off as possibly the most horrible people you’ll ever meet in your life.

    I said the Judge should be put down like ol’ Yeller. Honest to God I was trying to convey the idea the Judge should be expelled from office, not that Travis should, with a tearful sorry, take him behind the shed, and shoot him with the family flintlock.

    When you’re married do they issue a family flintlock at the courthouse? Did you provide your own? Is it mandatory? She has a lot of cats. It could become an issue.

    Of course I’m sorry. Just because a Judge selectively violates the first amendment to aid his political allies is no excuse to murder him. Even in allusion. Promise you I won’t do that again.

    papertiger (c8116c)

  314. Am I too late to mention that Fox news doesn’t have a broadcast license to pull nor did the linked post mention Fox News?

    Davebo (d1016a)

  315. One this is just responsible journalism:
    https://mobile.twitter.com/MsBreadling/status/914299129970520064/photo/1

    narciso (d1f714)

  316. I do not think that it is thuggish to say:

    “You are lying about the administration and you are doing so with reckless disregard for the truth. Furhter, you refuse to present our views on the matter fairly or accurately. Apparently the government cannot sue for libel, although you libel us.

    We would like to point out that your soapbox was granted you, for free, by this same government and that there are others who would like us to give it to them. Could you please explain to us why we should be so incredibly stupid as to renew your license, failing some moderation on your part?”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  317. @314. Honestly, believe it was in a conversation between you and DRJ many months ago. Wouldn’t lie about that but the reason it stuck w/me was you surely were a youngster during his time in office. Not that there’s anything wrong w/that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  318. Am I too late to mention that Fox news doesn’t have a broadcast license

    The Fox conglomerate does though, and they simulcast Fox News over the airwaves in places.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  319. @316. Charles, Congress would never legislate it with so many media platforms; not in this media environment.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  320. I have never called myself a “Nixon man” in my life.

    A Nixon child, perhaps. It should be remembered that Nixon imposed wage and price controls. This isn’t exactly conservative.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  321. I don’t think broadcasters are licensed, only stations. NBC does own stations but Trump hasn’t complained about the stations or what they published (as Cruz did). Trump has complained about the broadcast networks.

    DRJ (15874d)

  322. Nixon implemented the Great Society.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  323. DRJ,

    Details. The Trump is not interested in petty details.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  324. I do not think that it is thuggish to say:

    “You are lying about the administration and you are doing so with reckless disregard for the truth. Furhter, you refuse to present our views on the matter fairly or accurately. Apparently the government cannot sue for libel, although you libel us.

    We would like to point out that your soapbox was granted you, for free, by this same government and that there are others who would like us to give it to them. Could you please explain to us why we should be so incredibly stupid as to renew your license, failing some moderation on your part?”

    I do. I think it is the essence of thuggery.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  325. @314. Honestly, believe it was in a conversation between you and DRJ many months ago. Wouldn’t lie about that but the reason it stuck w/me was you surely were a youngster during his time in office. Not that there’s anything wrong w/that.

    Never supported the man in my life. You are remembering wrong.

    As for being a child: yes. Watergate reports interrupted my Saturday morning cartoons and annoyed me.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  326. I do. I think it is the essence of thuggery.

    Why? You feed them, they bite your hand, you stop feeding them.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  327. I don’t think broadcasters are licensed, only stations. NBC does own stations but Trump hasn’t complained about the stations or what they published (as Cruz did). Trump has complained about the broadcast networks.

    I think you’re right, but it’s a small step from threatening the broadcasters to taking action against the stations.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  328. He was a dissapointment in many ways, he though he could feed the crocodiles, and they wouldn’t come after him. He signed up too many Rockefeller wing folks like kissinger, and iconoclast democrats like moynihan and garment.

    narciso (d1f714)

  329. I would never mistake you for a Nixon man, Pat. Dole was a Nixon man. Schumer would have been a Nixon man.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  330. The point is though, neither is NBC news.

    narciso (d1f714)

  331. OTOH, it maybe counter-productive to make these threats since revoking the license of a flagship network station would be a BFD and Trump doesn’t have the political capital (FDR in 1943 could have done it no problemo, but not Trump now). So the threat just makes them mad. Like carrying a revolver in bear country.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  332. I this k we can safely concur there was more wisdom in bugs and daffy, than what passes for Saturday morning fate today, even the sleestaks.

    narciso (d1f714)

  333. more wisdom in bugs and daffy, than what passes for Saturday morning fate today

    Or the Sunday morning talk shows for that matter.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  334. Kevin M., I wrote a post a while back that read like this:

    As a staunch advocate of the First Amendment, I have to say that this is one of the scariest things I’ve seen since . . . well, since the last time Democrats used thuggery to try to squelch free speech.

    Here’s the rundown. NRA does commercial highlighting Obama’s anti-gun record. Biased “fact-checking” site falsely claims that the NRA is being deceitful. Obama’s lawyer sends thuggish letter to networks threatening to try to get their license pulled.

    Dat’s a nice broadcasting license you got dere. Sure would be a shame if anything was ta happen to it.

    As Allahpundit once said about a similar situation:

    My only question is this: was that letter typed, or did they use letters cut out from magazines?

    Let’s face it: this kind of thuggery is standard operating procedure for the left. In 2006, when ABC ran “The Path to 9/11,” Harry Reid & Co. wrote a mafia-style letter threatening ABC’s broadcast license. In 2004, a group of Democrat lawmakers wrote Rupert Murdoch and threatened Fox News’s broadcast license over what they believed was skewed reporting. And the DNC threatened Sinclair Broadcasting’s broadcast license over an anti-Kerry documentary called “Stolen Honor.” Kerry spokesthug Chad Clanton was quoted as saying: “I think they’re going to regret doing this, and they better hope we don’t win.” He hastened to add that it wasn’t a threat.

    [UPDATE: Beldar adds that the DNC and the Kerry campaign initially responded to the Swift Vets by threatening TV stations that might dare to air Swift Vet ads — telling them that they should refuse the ads or be held “responsible.”]

    As Allahpundit said after the Reid episode:

    If the GOP pulled this crap, it’d be top of the f’ng fold tomorrow in the Times. As it should be.

    Yes, but we never do pull this crap. It’s always those tolerant Democrats.

    In comments, a fella named Kevin M. called Obama a student of Putin.

    I don’t know, maybe that was supposed to be a compliment.

    But anyway, it’s funny how much Obama’s friendly letter reads like yours. It’s all: hey, you don’t have a right to broadcast facilities, and you have a duty to use them responsibly, and gee, it kinda seems like you’re not being responsible here.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  335. Why they will be more unsubtle than they are now. The anchors of that era chancellor Reynolds even heard k Smith (I left out cronkite) had more gravitas, now gimme a break.

    narciso (d1f714)

  336. My licensing comment wasn’t about what Trump did as much as what Cruz did. Cruz’s threat made sense. Trump’s didn’t, although when a President threatens someone it does get their attention.

    DRJ (15874d)

  337. A “Nixon Man”. That’s about as relevant at this point in history as being known as an Adlai Stevenson supporter.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  338. 142… Ye gods, narciso! Probably around Day One.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  339. Well Humphreys seems mostly harmless from this vantage point, but Mcgovern dangerously naive.

    narciso (d1f714)

  340. There are five commissioners on the Federal Communications Commission. Trump had two vacancies to fill and was in no big hurry about it. One of them he filled with a Republican lawyer, Brendan Carr, who’d previously been general counsel to the FCC. For the other, Trump re-appointed Democrat Jessica Rosenworcel. I don’t understand why he did that. Would any Trump supporter care to enlighten me?

    Both Carr and Rosenworcel were confirmed by the Senate on August 3. If any of these people are inclined to threaten NBC’s affiliates on Trump’s behalf, we’d likely hear of it. But I think these are just volcanic eruptions of steam and frustration and rage — combined with very cynical calculations about how to keep the base sufficiently boiling along with him — and they’re almost entirely empty threats.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  341. In principle, after a long train of abuses, I do not have a problem with a bad actor losing a license. These things are government monopolies, less valuable as time goes on, but they are grants based on good behavior. Public service. They are not simply cash cows and they are not completely free agents.

    A guy puts up a cable channel and hawks it to cable companies and he is not getting a government land grant. He can be as dishonest and one-sided as the market will bear. Freedom of speech/press/etc. Same with a newspaper. But using allocated frequencies, where the government will arrest anyone broadcasting in your channel, and you should expect that government will feel some paternal interest. Don’t like it? Create MSNBC and rant to your hearts content. But if you want to use 6MHz of VHF spectrum with the government protecting that by force, expect some rules.

    I agree it is thuggish to say “you run that ad”, or “you say that thing” and I’ll send the boys over, but a long and tiresome pattern of lies and failure to live up to the license rules would be another matter entirely.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  342. I didn’t get there till 150,

    narciso (d1f714)

  343. This is similar to why I think “copyright” is justly limited to set terms.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  344. It is also a matter of political capital to revoke a broadcast license. It will cause a stir, and you’d better be able to meet it. Right now, Trump (domestically, at least) has little authority. He can’t even get his own party to be nice to him. Can you imagine the sh1tstorm that would happen if he tried to kill an NBC station license?

    Kevin M (752a26)

  345. @ narciso (#342): That Tweet is bs. Akins v. United States (11th Cir. 2009) unequivocally establishes that the ATF can reverse its own internal interpretation of the rules on devices like these, and the existing ruling on the Slidestock bumpstock product can be reversed by ATF exactly in the manner that it reversed its own initial determination on the Akins Accellorator product in that case. The VICE News (ha!) article to which that tweet goes could not possibly be more wrong about the law, but you can’t shame the shameless, and HBO has certainly long been shameless. (Time-Warner after all.)

    Beldar (fa637a)

  346. I guess she seemed mostly harmless:
    https://www.recode.net/2017/6/28/15889538/trump-nominate-brendan-carr-fcc-republican-commissioner

    What file articles of impeachment?

    narciso (d1f714)

  347. I point out, there is bump stock in the piece.

    Speaking of trashy i think ryan Murphy plumbed the bottom of the barrel and then dug under.

    narciso (d1f714)

  348. @247. Yes, well, it’s important to remember that over the evolution of broadcasting, news was chiefly required as a public service compliance w/FCC regs to obtain and maintain a license. It was a loss leader; not a profit center. Broadcasters would have preferred to put revenue geneating programming or commercials in those time slots.

    Even into the late 1950s, CBS’s Paley would remind the Murrow gang at CBS News that their entire annual operating budget was covered by the advertising revenue from one entertainment show- ‘I Love Lucy.’ And as world events grew and America became a major player in those events, network TV news expanded from 10 or 15 minutes into its current half-hour format by the early ’60s- but it was still not a profit center.

    News wasn’t seen as a money maker until the late ’70s as elements of entertainment production increasingly crept in, drawing eyes — as lampooned in the film, ‘Network’ and the financial success in sports programming at ABC Sports was established. These techniques were applied to the flagging ABC News division as well by Roone Arledge when he moved over from sports and he succeeded in turing ABC News around. Then about the same time, cable began to come into its own with more and cheaper satellite technologies coming on line, ESPN began and Turner established CNN as a viable moneymaker. Add to it the networks themselves being sold to corporate conglomerates in the 80s and the seeds were sewn for what we have today. Then the FD was killed, radio and cable outlets expanded, the web was born and now have more and more platforms coming on line.

    If you’d tried to tell a consumer and many executives in 1975 with free TV in their homes that they’d be paying $150/month for television and wifi, they’d have laughed at you- then asked what was wifi.

    The downside is the profit motive in news influences the kind of programming developed to maximize revenue. For instance, even in the early 70s, much to the chagrin of Cronkite the last moon mission broadcasts on CBS (the best in quality BTW) were aired in late night half-hour summaries against NBC’s Johnny Carson. Covering them live drew less viewers than soap operas and viewers called to complain about missing their shows. In the 80’s CBS developed a news magazine show called ’48 Hours’ — and the some early travel budgets were so tight that producers literally gave news crews rolls of subway tokens to do stories in and around metro NYC to save money– viewers didn’t notice.

    So today you have all those entertainment ‘news’ magazine shows and such, angry cable talkers with fewer investigative hard news teams, fewer documentaries and fewer overseas news bureaus. A stringer w/an I-Phone can do the job for pennies on the dollar. And w/24-7 news cycles, and so much information thrown at you at once, it’s almost impossible to digest and edit– stuff just gets aired or posted and revised moment to moment. It’s a disquieting trend which forces us to be increasingly selective in our intake given how valuable our time is, find comfort from same and tend to shut out anything which doesn’t reinforce or challenges existing beliefs.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  349. DCSCA,

    I don’t recall talking to Patterico about Nixon, but you and I may have discussed him. I know I’ve commented that I voted for Nixon. It was my first vote for a President.

    DRJ (15874d)

  350. Let’s see… Patterico never liked Nixon, and DCSCA actually voted for him. So, I think I’ll have that drink now. (It’s Oktoberfest anyway!)

    But by the way Patterico, I appreciate your acknowledgement that DCSCA “says (with more justification) that I am smearing the left” with the headline.

    Tillman (a95660)

  351. @DCSCA,

    Sorry, but there you go using that “never” word again. The expansion granted by Obama to the FCC to regulate ISPs as common carriers and puts them under the regulatory control of the FCC. Add in the Telecom Act of 1996 (who was the majority again??? In both levels of the legislature???). Again, the effects of this legislation and others as well as elements in the GOP that is willing to go along with democratic party members to reform speech would lead to the FD coming back or at worse the Mayflower Doctrine. As well, you missed or have chosen to ignore my original proof that society has changed. That is there is strong bipartisan support with support from industry lobbying groups for a new gun control bill. Given all the hoopla about hackers and privacy releases of electronic communicated PII data, fake news being bought on social media by cyberwarfare/cyber-pysops teams and the opening of the doors with regulatory net neutral rulings. Oh and the use of the presidential view of very fine people have used the various multi-media electronics to organize Congress could well pass something. That would also close the CU loophole, bring the Fairness Doctrine back and expand the powers of the state to police speech. I would note as well the DoJ is currently suing Facebook and Twitter to get the names of the rioters on Jan20 direct action groups. Congress hasn’t done a thing to rein that in via their oversight abilities. So I could full well see a strong enough case made they would limit speech and forget who could come into office next.

    Charles (cf134a)

  352. The j20 story, that dissapeared down the rabbit hole even with data o’Keefe provided. The rest of this is much a do about nothing except democrats always find an excuse , hanging Chad’s diebold, et al

    narciso (d1f714)

  353. @357. DRJ, it was many, many, many months ago on a thread and only came up in an agreeing piece of conversation — and the reason it stuck w/me was the age thing. That’s all.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  354. @359 Charles-

    Not saying there won’t be tries at it but it simply isn’t feasible in this political and media environment. It would be derailed as an attempt by one side or group to infringe speech by another side. What you– and likely most everyone– would prefer is a return to civility in discourse but in the mediums of television and talk radio, it doesn’t succeed — it likes extremes, generating more heat than light– and profits.

    Challenge you to go back and watch a dozen tapes of ‘Meet The Press’ or ‘Issues and Answers’ from pre-FD’s demise and you’ll be bored within minutes.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  355. Narisco,

    That is interesting you bought up the hanging chads and diebold. That evolution of thinking and events and failure to recognize 3rd, 4th or 99th order effects is what gave legs to the “OMG!!!! PUTIN HACKED THE ELECTION!!!!” and confused most of the population that by hacked they changed vote totals. When instead it appears they did a successful psyops campaign.

    Charles (3ed835)

  356. Dimwits represent about 25% of Trump Voters, 50% of Hillary Voters, 75% of Lawyers and 95% of Bernie Voters.

    KRS One (e17f34)

  357. It was great frustratration at the time, my loathing for taper stems from that period.
    https://www.weaselzippers.us/360295-mattis-says-nbc-report-on-trump-is-absolutely-false/

    narciso (d1f714)

  358. The big picture here is that most of us who are not blinded by partisanship agree that Trump has run off the rails, yet again. This is it, we’ve all had enough. So Mr. Prosecutor Patterico, you must have connections. We’re all counting on you to just pick up the phone tomorrow and tell Mr. Mueller that it’s time to get this problem taken care of, and make it snappy!

    Tillman (a95660)

  359. Yes the small discrepancy, was mostly due to key election supervisors ignoring the screen lists, a poorly designed ballot and bob wexler’s involvement in a public relation campaign, i hadn’t really seen the late Vincent bugliosi till then, but he seemed stark raving at the time.

    narciso (d1f714)

  360. DCSCA,

    Could you be remembering this conversation that included several people here?

    DRJ (15874d)

  361. @358. Til, meh. Yes, well, this quote from the Big Dick’s acceptance speech in ’72 still rings in my ears:

    “Years from now I want you to look back and be able to say that your first vote was one of the best votes you ever cast in your life.”

    Alas, no, it wasn’t.
    We all have regrets from our youth. 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  362. @368– DRJ- It had something do w/voting Republican over life or some such fragment of converseation- and it was a matter of agreement between you– it just stuck me about the age thing and the line ‘Nippers for Nixon’ or some such phrase came to my mind. Don’t recall if that was posted.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  363. Off-Topic but my best wishes to the Californians affected by the terrible fires.

    DRJ (15874d)

  364. In 1968, I persuaded my teachers to permit a mock election, held on the day before election day, in which all of us fifth graders would vote; Nixon beat Humphrey narrowly at North Elementary School. In junior high, at the instance of my own parents and with a few peers whose parents were among the vanishingly rare species of Texas Republicans at the time, I helped re-found and reorganize the local Young Republicans Club that had foundered some years earlier. It gave me a chance to go to a state convention in Dallas a couple of years later, at the Hilton on Mockingbird Lane in Dallas, at which my hopes of meeting and maybe making out with a college girl (I was ambitious, but utterly unrealistic; still, a fun trip). Among the speakers was Rep. Ron Paul, whom I found very interesting but slightly crazed even then; I pitched him my libertarian proposal for why driver’s licenses shouldn’t be awarded based on age at all, but only based upon demonstrated proficiency as a responsible driver, and he said he’d think seriously about that. Unlike our host, I was politically aware during Watergate, and in my summer job at KPET-AM in 1973, I read the news of his resignation as it came across the AP wire. My first presidential vote was for Ford.

    Most or all of this I’ve probably mentioned here at one time or another, so perhaps Captain Queeg, or whoever Patterico is conversing with, was actually imputing something I wrote or said to Patterico.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  365. “ Patterico never liked Nixon, and DCSCA actually voted for him. So, I think I’ll have that drink now. (It’s Oktoberfest anyway!)

    Voted for Carter (in ‘76) when I was 18.

    But preferred Nixon to McGovern, plus McGovern’s staunchest supporters were alarming in their ignorance of communism.

    harkin (7dcbff)

  366. I still give Nixon shared credit, with (to varying extents) Truman, Eisenhower, and Reagan, for winning the Cold War.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  367. It was this comment, but I don’t think Patterico was agreeing with the Nixon part of my comment as much as the Trump part.

    DRJ (15874d)

  368. Link.

    DRJ (15874d)

  369. Also off topic: ‘Stros versus Yankees. ‘Stros were 7-1 versus NYY this year, compared to 1-7 versus Cleveland, and we have the home advantage for the playoff series, so I’m liking this. Plus it would be more gratifying to beat the Yankees than any other team in baseball, in either league, just because of their history and because everyone will be watching.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  370. My guess is Pattertico was also agreeing that he had supported and voted Republican, which would not have included Nixon because he was far too young to vote then. Or even care.

    DRJ (15874d)

  371. In guessing the first time he voted was for bush sr.

    Another part of the Peabody’s piece is they actually get tom barrack on the record, but he appatrntly hasn’t been in communication with trump, this is how fake news works

    narciso (d1f714)

  372. @375./@376. DRJ, Yes, that’s it.

    Yes, “Ditto” may have been a broad interpretation and meant for the Trump fragment of your sentence:

    130.I supported every Republican including Nixon, Hoagie. Trump is too much for me to trust, but I have supported him when he does conservative things.
    DRJ (15874d) — 6/10/2017 @ 9:11 am

    132.I supported every Republican including Nixon, Hoagie. Trump is too much for me to trust, but I have supported him when he does conservative things.
    Ditto.
    Patterico (115b1f) — 6/10/2017 @ 9:13 am

    ‘Nippers for Nixon’ still has a nice ring to it; like ‘Trollops for Trump.’ 😉

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  373. @DCSRA,

    You are making assumptions about my view with respect towards Congress and the fairness doctrine. I am old enough to remember when TV stations used to air during the news hour editorials, complete with the disclaimer “The station disavows all knowledge of the following editorial….” and usually followed by “in an attempt to offer air time to be counter point of the preceding per FCC regulations…..”

    I could do without those since they sucked up airtime better devoted towards more news or additional time for entertainment media consumption.

    I also don’t ever believe that the myth of civility in media has existed. There has always been radical elements that have run media empires and been heavily intertwined with politics. Whether it’s Hearst and Pulitzer or even the Chandlers with the LAT. In most cities or large metros served by a number of media groups you could find a middle path with information by reading the various outlets. Come the 60s and TV replacing radio and the paper, you had consolidation. Not even a decade later most radio is out and as “Network” foresaw gonzo journalism and sensationalist takes on news, with most stations having to consolidate to maintain their financial success. Long run by the 90s most print is dead on their feet and most electronic media is so interconnected that you can’t have diverse opinions and you saw the increase entrenchment of ideologically pure news along the way of the media mover and shakers and most commonly DNC/Prog-Left political donors. Which is why the Weinstein fiasco is such an amazing amount of drama.

    So I don’t have any room in my heart for a return of the FD nor civility. Modern news media is so incestuous and one track with political philosophy that I don’t think it will ever return to what people believe was a golden era. That is unless we have some ol’fashion trust busting, but I have better odds on the RSS Titanic making it to port.

    Charles (3ed835)

  374. 374.I still give Nixon shared credit, with (to varying extents) Truman, Eisenhower, and Reagan, for winning the Cold War.

    Truman, Ike, JFK, LBJ, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Reagan all deserve credit with a period between the B- and-the-ush along with the American people and America’s allies for those 40-plus years.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  375. With all that said, I can fully see the right push by the media members to ask for a new FD. Heck just googling the concept seems to find all manner of editorials in the usual mainstream and radical progressive news sites and op-ed sites saying we got the Tea Party and destruction of voters intelligence after the FD was removed.
    Maybe Kimmel needs to cry and ask for it back.

    Charles (3ed835)

  376. @381. I also don’t ever believe that the myth of civility in media has existed.

    For broadcast television it did.
    Suits and ties, too.
    Very male and very white.

    Then came Veronica Corningstone.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  377. Whoniscsupposed to be Barbara Walters or Jessica savich?

    narciso (d1f714)

  378. @385. narciso- One of the most endearing memories of my late father is from one cold winter morning, decades ago, when he was up early getting his coffee and walked by the muted TV with ‘The Today Show’ on as Walters face was full screen, babbling away, and without missing a step, muttered, ‘How anybody could want to wake up and see that ugly woman’s face first thing in the morning is beyond me.’

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  379. A few days ago it was the NFL; now its the media– Trump knows which strings to pluck and make music for the base.

    Wait ’til tomorrow when he tweets he doesn’t like chocolate pudding because it’s brown.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  380. @345. =Haiku!= Gesundheit!

    You do realize Trump admires the insight of the Big Dick; has a note from him predicting a successful presidential win if he chose to run framed in the WH.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  381. @158 harkin

    Don’t forget NBC’s edit of George “Can’t flim flam the zim zam” Zimmerman’s 911 call.

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  382. A lot of people complain about the supposedly low rates ranchers pay for leases on federal land because we all “own” it yada yada yada. Or water companies, mining companies and oil companies.

    So how much do the networks pay to lease our airwaves and how much pollution are they producing?

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  383. @390: Broadcast Spectrum Repacking Timeline, Resource and Cost Analysis

    https://ecfsapi.fcc.gov/file/60001333579.pdf

    Get a public library card and you can read all you want for a lot less $.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  384. If LAPD and DA is looking for a witness and victim list for Harvey I suggest they read a (one) British Tabloid.

    About like 50 women listed.
    Poor Biggie (987b85) — 10/11/2017 @ 5:59 pm

    Page 6?

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  385. Public library? Do I seem homeless to you?

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  386. I know you fear my words perhaps even more than Maguire. You must ban me or allow me my say. I am not one of your vessels who must knuckle under to your authority. You already use your limited power to bully those under your flag. I will have to share my opinion somewhere. Perhaps I serve your interests better here.
    Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 10/11/2017 @ 6:11 pm

    If blogs were horses beggars would post.

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  387. The Clintons consider LBJ small potatoes in using govt service as a going concern.
    harkin (7dcbff) — 10/11/2017 @ 6:35 pm

    Indexed for inflation?

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  388. 283 — isn’t there a portion of every political base across the ideological spectrum that consists of dimwits??
    shipwreckedcrew (56b591) — 10/11/2017 @ 7:04 pm

    Unfortunately they are stepping all over our spectrum.

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  389. Trump doesn’t bother me. In 4 – 8 years, he’s gone.

    What bothers me, is that you keep electing and re-electing the same people (RINOs, neo-cons, etc) who keep screwing you over.

    …and you re-elect them for decade after decade of ‘public service’.

    They retire rich – at your expense – while you keep wondering what happened to the middle class.

    Warren Bonesteel (138dd5)

  390. @372 … in my summer job at KPET-AM in 1973, I read the news of his resignation as it came across the AP wire.

    Musta been a long shift; Nixon announced his resignation the evening of August 8, 1974.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  391. Well Humphreys seems mostly harmless from this vantage point, but Mcgovern dangerously naive.
    narciso (d1f714) — 10/11/2017 @ 8:26 pm

    Everything I know about McGovern I learned in The Ballad of the Uneasy Rider.

    Pinandpuller (528944)

  392. 372. In 1968, I persuaded my teachers to permit a mock election, held on the day before election day…

    ‘Course you’ll never read this, but interesting how geography plays w/priorities. In November,’68, we were in Britain and student focus was less on the American elections state side, mock or real, and more on the very real education of a large anti-war rally in Grosvenor Square and the clash between protestors and police outside the U.S. Embassy the previous week; who went, who didn’t and so forth. Student class debates were as intense as– well– chatter on this blog. It’s quite enlightening witnessing how other people in other lands perceive your country and its policies from the outside in. Every American should try to experience it.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  393. 1 Adam 12 – We have snowflake Ben Sasse in sight.
    https://i.imgflip.com/1c5dhw.jpg

    mg (31009b)

  394. maybe buttman ben affleck and butthurt ben sasse could share a therapy pup this weekend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  395. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/278149/

    Being fueled by NBC, TDS, CNN, is no way to live by the principles you tout, son.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  396. NBC can’t possibly be the highest and best use of the spectrum they pollute

    this is obvious to anyone who is willing to do the analysis

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  397. I can’t believe that Dusty Baker was ever made a manager, personally, but we’ll find out tonight if hope and changeup work if you persist long enough.

    nk (dbc370)

  398. So the premise of the story, was wrong.

    narciso (d1f714)

  399. We need to save this gem from Iowahawk:
    “Journalism is about covering important stories. With a pillow, until they stop moving.”

    nk (dbc370)

  400. Sure so I’m called names for not agreeing within hours to a compromise on bump stocks by people who don’t actually own one, wouldn’t own one and see no effect on them.

    Who called you a name? I’ll speak to them. That should not happen to you.

    My views on bump stocks were always tentative and I benefited from your comments, especially the definitional problem.

    Patterico (03f629)

  401. It was this comment, but I don’t think Patterico was agreeing with the Nixon part of my comment as much as the Trump part.

    Correct; I should not have said ditto because I have never supported Nixon. I have always seen him as an unprincipled creepy guy who did a lot of leftist stuff. But your comment summed up my attitude on Trump perfectly, hence ditto. Not unfair for DCSCDSCDSA to have taken from it what he did though.

    Patterico (03f629)

  402. Since you don’t remember. It was a Judge who ordered a halt to a video of an abortion providers convention apparently because the conventioners came off as possibly the most horrible people you’ll ever meet in your life.

    I said the Judge should be put down like ol’ Yeller. Honest to God I was trying to convey the idea the Judge should be expelled from office, not that Travis should, with a tearful sorry, take him behind the shed, and shoot him with the family flintlock.

    When you’re married do they issue a family flintlock at the courthouse? Did you provide your own? Is it mandatory? She has a lot of cats. It could become an issue.

    Of course I’m sorry. Just because a Judge selectively violates the first amendment to aid his political allies is no excuse to murder him. Even in allusion. Promise you I won’t do that again.

    That is an unmoderated comment from papertiger. I knew he had made a bad comment about a federal judge to get banned but could not remember exactly what it was. He emailed me to say my banning him was the best thing that ever happened to him, really (I’ll let him tel that story) and to express remorse for the judge comment. I said if he puts that in a comment I would unmoderate the comment and him. Just did the former; will do the latter when I get to a computer.

    Patterico (03f629)

  403. I find the most interesting stories are the ones theynare not covering currently. Like what do the awan bros, rosiak has that all to himself. The menendez trial, it surfaces like a soviet submarine innthe bastion.

    narciso (d1f714)


  404. It’s quite enlightening witnessing how other people in other lands perceive your country and its policies from the outside in. Every American should try to experience it.

    I had the same opportunity as you DCSCA, and it was also 1968. Foreigners are funny people tough. I found about half of them loved me and the very idea of America while the other half loathed both and even tried on many occasions to kill me. I arrived at the largest airport in the country but soon made my “home” in a small village named Bien Hoa. I made several sight-seeing side trips to Hue City, Saigon and several other places of interest. I spent most of my time in what was called “The Iron Triangle” between Tay Ninh and Phum Krek in Cambodia (another lovely country). It was so named because of the roving gang which controlled the area and terrorized and tortured the locals. They were called “Cong”. I had dozens of opportunities to shoot them and they actually shot me twice. If you ever visit DCSCA be sure to take advantage of the helicopter transportation system as the roads are in disrepair, full of mines and tend to incite ambush. But I’m sure that’s all changed by now.

    I will say the locals were wonderful, fun, freedom loving people who loved America and Americans. The Cong, not so much. BTW, the chicks were hot and the food delish!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  405. My late Philly cop friend, was in the airforce at tan son nhut, he had many stories, and not as positive a view of the locals. I wonder what do you think of the moyar piece up thread.

    narciso (d1f714)

  406. All right. papertiger is now officially unmoderated again, thanks to his apparently (and I believe actually) sincere apology and statement that he did not mean what I thought he meant.

    As I said, I’ll let him explain why his previous banning was so wonderful for him. I’m actually very pleased I banned him!

    Patterico (115b1f)

  407. if we banned NBC they could have all the good wonderful too!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  408. You’re getting married, papertiger? Congratulations!

    nk (dbc370)

  409. Also off topic: ‘Stros versus Yankees. ‘Stros were 7-1 versus NYY this year, compared to 1-7 versus Cleveland, and we have the home advantage for the playoff series, so I’m liking this. Plus it would be more gratifying to beat the Yankees than any other team in baseball, in either league, just because of their history and because everyone will be watching.

    Beldar (fa637a) — 10/11/2017 @ 9:42 pm

    You’re obviously not a fan. Yanks were 2-5 versus the Astros this year, not 1-7. Yanks have just defeated the best team in baseball 3 straight which hasn’t been done to Cleveland since July 30-Aug 2.This Yankees team just doesn’t quit. Reminds me of the ’96 team which was the beginning of a dynasty. Let’s Go Yankees!!!

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  410. They retire rich – at your expense – while you keep wondering what happened to the middle class.

    When you work for Gubmint as some here do — that does not bother them one bit.

    The money rolls downhill a bit in the form of annual raises, benefits, over-time (for some) and the many perks of Gubmint.

    So while many proclaim “Conservative” values — in reality they don’t care cuz smaller Gubmint is 100% antithetical to their well being.

    Gubmint Work is the new bourgeoisie.

    Comfortable living. Parasitic economic relationship protected by Gummint Guns. Lots of moral preening.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  411. I’m late to the party, haven’t read the comments, but if the topic is still NBC’s broadcast license, my understanding is that continued access to the nation’s airwaves depends on operating in the public interest.

    Clearly, based on the network’s long histoty of poor quality programming, political bias, and outright dissemination of ‘fake news’ designed to undermine the result of a presidential election, NBC could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a broadcast license.

    ropelight (d782cb)

  412. I’m late to the party, haven’t read the comments, but if the topic is still NBC’s broadcast license, my understanding is that continued access to the nation’s airwaves depends on operating in the public interest.

    Clearly, based on the network’s long histoty of poor quality programming, political bias, and outright dissemination of ‘fake news’ designed to undermine the result of a presidential election, NBC could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a broadcast license.

    You speak thug real good

    Patterico (115b1f)

  413. 419, if the Yankees take it all, people are gonna say its fixed for obvious reasons (e.g. He was too high-class to be a mere Met fan).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  414. They have done far worse, the thing is the demcratis attacked Sinclair, when they shut out of power, harry Reid did so in power, and it worked, because ‘telling the truth in a time of deceit, is a revolutuinary act.’ and therefore crimethink

    narciso (d1f714)

  415. Clearly, based on the trucking industry’s long history of poor quality trucks, poor driving, air and noise pollution, high fatality rates in collisions, and outright dissemination of products which harm the physical, mental and moral health of the country, truck drivers could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a commercial drivers license.

    nk (dbc370)

  416. It’s pretty simple..you were unresponsive to DC when you referred to the many points he made as dumb without any effort to extend remarks as to why.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  417. The guy who likely has imprisoned innocent men to pad his “stats” is calling other people “thugs” for thinking suspending a license is “thuggery.”

    What has this world come to!!!!!!

    Poor Biggie (987b85)

  418. Physician heal thyself.

    Poor Biggie (987b85)


  419. truck drivers could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a commercial drivers license.

    Sure they could: Without their trucks nothing moves. That’s not true for NBC. Even without NBC there is CNNABCCBS to dissipate the lies. Even the Soviets didn’t need five Pravda’s.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  420. too many pravdas spoil the broth

    then your soup tastes funny

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  421. Poor Biggie,

    stop going personal and doing what you can to provoke Patterico to get banned. There is no reason to suggest or think that Patterico has done anything in his professional life that is corrupt. He’s definitely above board. He’s been personally attacked and SWATTED because he speaks the truth loudly and passionately.

    Now I don’t agree with Patterico on many issues since November, but that doesn’t change the fact that he’s a man of character. In time we will find ourselves in agreement once more. But you Poor B will still be a provocative jerk.

    Physician heal thyself.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  422. I’m pretty sure Patterico put Biggie on ignore almost instantly.

    Also lol: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DL5a2azU8AAMMlS.jpg

    Davethulhu (719fd1)

  423. for breakfast i had fish and rice cause of i did a lot of entertaining this weekend and kinda feel like a few days of simplicity and asceticism

    went to publican and TWO both for the first time

    both are very sharey sharey but TWO was the more interesting one for sure

    that’s where i had lamb belly for the first time yum

    got my fried smelt at Pittsfield’s

    did purple pig – kinda regret not getting the tongue

    drinks at sparrow they never disappoint but i had a cocktail called september morn there what I think is really quite lovely

    cable news and network news are not at all the same thing Mr. thulhu

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  424. Don’t forget NBC’s edit of George “Can’t flim flam the zim zam” Zimmerman’s 911 call.

    Nothing adds “legs” to a race story better than a doctored tape to portray someone as a racist!

    In media, that’s called ‘woke’.

    harkin (c81517)

  425. Poor Biggie does seem to want to be banned. His comments 428/429 (that defame Patterico’s performance in his day job) are the perfect way to get his wish granted.

    DRJ (15874d)

  426. I think Biggie feels outclassed and outsmarted, and is looking for a way out that lets him save face. This is a spectacularly poor way of going about saving face.

    DRJ (15874d)

  427. Poor Biggie,

    What you said about Patterico is, IMO, libel per se.

    DRJ (15874d)

  428. Last year, I was making my own version of Viet Cong rice, sticky rice with pickled fish and a hot sauce over it, but I gave it up because, like the Vietnam War, I was not happy with the “exit strategy”.

    nk (dbc370)

  429. i just used up the last of my hot sesame oil i think the whole bottle went more or less on noodle dishes i had delivered here

    they never have enough kick so i throw that stuff in a skillet and do a quick saute of some onions then toss in the noodles and some chipper-choppered greens and bam it more or less comes out like I was wanting plus it makes my kitchen smell authentically ghetto

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  430. @414. Sucks being stuck in war zone, Hoagie. OTOH, one of the first things were asked by some Brits was where we kept our guns. They honestly believed all Americans had them and were surprised we did not.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  431. accessories really do finish the look i think

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  432. My wife buys hot sesame oil and soy sauce like Italians do olive oil, by the 5 gallon drum. And rice by the 50lb bagX2 at a time for her rice dispenser. Yes, a rice dispenser that delivers perfect portions of raw rice for the rice cooker. When she makes kimchee she does two crates of Chinese cabbage worth. Fills a dedicated refrigerator in the laundry room, plus several gallons for distribution to friends who love her kimchee.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)


  433. 442.accessories really do finish the look i think

    Man, that’s the truth happyfeet. When a local would see my M24 SWS (sniper weapon system) Remington 700 instead of the standard M14 or M16 they stepped aside. It sure finished my look, for sure.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  434. Sen. Ben Sasse asks if President Trump is ‘recanting’ his oath of office
    “Are you tonight recanting the oath you took on Jan. 20 to preserve, protect and defend the First Amendment?”

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2017/10/12/sen-ben-sasse-asks-if-president-trump-recanting-his-oath-office/757182001/

    Tillman (a95660)

  435. i have a japanese rice dispenser! – but it just does 20 or 25 pounds i’d have to look

    sounds like Mrs. Hoagie may have the standalone model where it has its own stand mine just sits on top of the fridge

    i’m a get NG one for xmas she redid her kitchen this year and sent a pic and yup she needs one

    but the cups are japanese cups not american cups but that’s ok cause i got the japanese rice cooker too it’s a zojirushi

    for to season the rice all i use is this in the cooker it’s just kinda perfect

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  436. could Ben Sasse be any gayer no

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  437. NBC isn’t a 50,000 watt AM radio station. They need to be held to a much higher standard. Can we at least agree on that!?!?

    Their shoddy, dishonest reporting has been documented over the years. Where and when has any improvement been made?

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  438. Sasse is a soapboxing weezul.

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  439. “You’re getting married, papertiger? Congratulations”

    That is good news! Who’s teh lucky fella?

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  440. Clearly, based on the trucking industry’s long history of poor quality trucks, poor driving, air and noise pollution, high fatality rates in collisions, and outright dissemination of products which harm the physical, mental and moral health of the country, truck drivers could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a commercial drivers license.

    As individual truckers go, and perhaps trucking companies, of course this is done. Not the entire trucking industry, however. Trump did not propse revoking all licenses of all networks like NBC, just NBC. Actually he didn’t even do that much.

    Also, again…I thought that there was no banning. What is with this discussion?

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  441. Yes happyfeet, the rice dispenser is a floor standing model. We had a counter top jobber at our old house but June had a “kimchee room” built with the laundry so she can keep her stuff. The floor model was surprisingly expensive for a bunch of crap plastic but whatever the lady wants. I the her rice cookers are the same brand as yours and she only buys the best so you done well grasshopper. BTW, your link was of ground jalapeño.

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  442. yes yes that’s all i throw in with my rice when i cook it

    it just seems to do the trick for pretty much anything i need rice for

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  443. I just finished making some rice — you guys talked me into it. No rice cooker. Two-quart sauce pan with glass lid. Bring two cups of water to violent boil, stir in one cup of long grain rice, lower gas flame to barely on, cover tightly, let simmer (it should be just barely) for 14 minutes. Turn off heat, let sit with lid on until ready to serve.

    nk (dbc370)

  444. No banning based on opinions, but the rule is and always has been: Don’t use this blog to talk about or criticize P’s job. He posts a Disclaimer and this blog isn’t about his work.

    DRJ (15874d)

  445. my friend F showed me how they used to cook rice in his village he does it kinda like you do except he doesn’t measure anything – just throws in rice and then he covers it with water and i remember he adds water once

    his definitely comes out better than rice cooker rice for a lot of things

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  446. it’s almost halloween DRJ!

    i need to order the fritos for the pickleheads this weekend

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  447. Do you hand out little chip bags? That’s a great idea.

    DRJ (15874d)

  448. I’m tired of candy but I want to give them fun things. Any other ideas?

    DRJ (15874d)

  449. Steam cooks rice. That’s why your water has to be hotter that hot when you put in the rice and the lid has to be tight. The low simmer is “self-stirring” — the steam creates little tunnels in the rice as it gently works its way through it and is absorbed.

    nk (dbc370)

  450. No white rice

    mg (31009b)

  451. Ah, so that’s how people got banned. Did you say that before? Don’t recall specifically. If doing so is a banning offense, prolly ought to have a more specific and obviously stated disclaimer rather from some post months ago reposted by another commenter. Possibly in a prominent locarion? Just a suggestion, not a criticism.

    So hf talked about or criticized P’s job? Was that what he did? But then again, he wasn’t banned. Sorry, i must be confused again.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  452. Fresh baked cookies

    mg (31009b)

  453. oh no this is for my little cousins not for handing out

    it’s from Texas for to help the hurricane recovery!

    it kinda looks like the best thing ever huh

    they’re also famous for this cake what i think i’ll get for the office cometh the tide of the yule

    i always bring the best treats cause i hate most of my co-workers but i don’t want them to know

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  454. CFarleeigh
    One can be banned for being completely out of line to a fellow pontificator. And I deserved the banning.

    mg (31009b)

  455. CFarleigh, at 462: seems to me that the rule is just simple politeness.

    aphrael (b953f5)

  456. Patterico almost always warns people directly when they go over the line and gives them a chance to fix things before banning them, so no general warning is needed. He might moderate their comments in the meantime, so they can post comments but they won’t be released until he releases them.

    DRJ (15874d)

  457. There is also a feature that some people, including Patterico, are using to filter out comments by specific commenters. The comments post but aren’t visible to those who use that feature. It is not a ban.

    DRJ (15874d)

  458. That does look good, hf.

    DRJ (15874d)

  459. i kinda want to get some for me but that’s just never wise

    here’s a great site for to find stuff for to hand out though they have some fun and kinda classy stuff your neighbors aren’t likely to have

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  460. Cookies would be great, mg, but I try to avoid things that aren’t packaged so the parents don’t have to worry who made it. Plus I would have to cook!

    DRJ (15874d)

  461. I forgot times have changed, DRJ.

    mg (31009b)

  462. When I grew up many, many years ago, one house on my block gave out candied apples. It was my favorite treat because it was delicious and special and home-made. I would love to do that but I don’t think it would be something parents would let their kids eat.

    DRJ (15874d)

  463. @nk:Steam cooks rice. That’s why your water has to be hotter that hot when you put in the rice and the lid has to be tight. The low simmer is “self-stirring” — the steam creates little tunnels in the rice as it gently works its way through it and is absorbed.

    We have a Tatung rice cooker that is like a double boiler. It cooks the rice by steam, you load a little water into the bottom part, and then your rice sits in water in the top part.

    Of course you can steam anything in there. It’s also good for warming up food that doesn’t do well in the microwave.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  464. sounds good, DRJ.

    mg (31009b)

  465. @DRJ:When I grew up many, many years ago, one house on my block gave out candied apples. It was my favorite treat because it was delicious and special and home-made. I would love to do that but I don’t think it would be something parents would let their kids eat.

    When I grew up, many years ago, our parents were frightened of apples because someone might hide a razor in them. We did on occasion get caramel apples, but not trick-or-treating. Individually packaged mass produced sugar relieved their minds a bit.

    Frederick (64d4e1)

  466. As Trump slams media, an Indiana lawmaker has drafted a bill to license journalists

    His proposal would require professional journalists to submit an application to the Indiana State Police. Journalists would be fingerprinted as part of the process and would have to pay a $75 fee for a lifetime license. Those with felony or domestic battery convictions would be prohibited from getting a license.

    The proposal is almost an exact copy of Indiana’s law requiring a license to carry a handgun, which Lucas has tried to repeal unsuccessfully for several years. A panel of lawmakers is now reviewing the idea ahead of next year’s legislative session.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  467. for handicrafted things these are pretty easy and they’re just so damn good make it stop

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  468. truck drivers could never present a persuasive case to justify retaining a commercial drivers license.
    nk (dbc370) — 10/12/2017 @ 7:59 am

    Some of the morbidly obese truck drivers I see shuffling around must have a kind of Shallow Hal mind trick they use on doctors.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  469. The Tylenol Killer (fall of 82) dealt a mortal blow to homemade and handmade Halloween treats.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  470. I’m up for a live interactive demonstration of my 2nd amendment rights on that state rep. To be fair he probably tires of all things John Cougar Mellencamp.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  471. I think what Lucas is after is permitless a/k/a Constitutional carry. Not a good idea with Chicago’s South Side a short carjacking drive away.

    nk (dbc370)

  472. Thanks hf, I had no idea there was such a thing as hot sesame oil. What I like to do with store bought mac and cheese is to add sesame oil and feta cheese and sometimes hot sauce but now I can streamline the process. I bet it tastes great in tomato soup as well.

    Hey, have you ever heard of a Gentlemen’s Breakfast? Caution NYT’s

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  473. mg

    You’re a rice traitor, sir! A ricist!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  474. oh that’s interesting

    i bet it’s kinda similar to miso butter, which is super-easy to make

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  475. Ha!! white rice is clogging material

    mg (31009b)

  476. Indeed, Pinpuller. And I say Pardon the Source when in that predicament.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  477. I just went to a close by K&S World Market. I got some more Cafe Du Monde coffee and chicory.

    Chicory contains inulin:

    In addition to being a versatile ingredient, inulin has many health benefits. It increases calcium absorption and possibly magnesium absorption, while promoting the growth of beneficial intestinal bacteria. Chicory inulin is reported to increase absorption of calcium in young women with lower calcium absorption and in young men. In terms of nutrition, it is considered a form of soluble fiber and is sometimes categorized as a prebiotic).

    I looked for hot sesame oil. They had sesame chili oil. What do?

    I just got some pure black tar sesame oil and hot sauce separately for now.

    If your country smells like the inside of a K&S World Market I don’t think I can visit there.

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  478. Miso butter. Me butter you long time!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  479. sesame chili oil may be the same thing

    or it could be a different thing

    is this gonna be on the test

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  480. It’s pretty simple..you were unresponsive to DC when you referred to the many points he made as dumb without any effort to extend remarks as to why.

    Thanks for knuckling under. He and I had a misunderstanding about what “header” means which has been resolved. I will unmoderate you now that the knuckling under has been accomplished, despite the Great Feat I have of your words.

    Patterico (e677b4)

  481. The Tylenol Killer (fall of 82) dealt a mortal blow to homemade and handmade Halloween treats.
    urbanleftbehind (5abba7) — 10/12/2017 @ 12:05 pm

    Have you heard the theory that Ted Kaczynsky may be responsible for that?

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  482. Is hot sesame oil red?

    What’s brown and smells like China?

    Mung!

    Pinandpuller (16b0b5)

  483. The guy who likely has imprisoned innocent men to pad his “stats” is calling other people “thugs” for thinking suspending a license is “thuggery.”

    What has this world come to!!!!!!

    It’s come to your dismissal from this blog. Buh-bye.

    Countdown to CFarleigh claiming Poor Biggie was banned for “disagreeing” in 3…2…1…

    Patterico (e677b4)

  484. papertiger got back with a sincere apology and so can anyone else as far as I am concerned.

    Patterico (e677b4)

  485. Knuckling under is important to you as can plainly be seen. If you’re up to it, in the future you might address those few good points I scribble without all the noise of insurance and outrage.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  486. ..indignance and outrage.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  487. Never ascribe to thuggery what can be adequately explained by incompetence.

    Which brings up a question: Can a President be impeached for being incompetent? It would seem apolitical to do so, and I am willing to bet that there are enough votes in the Senate now to convict.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  488. BTW, The Post’s Jennifer Rubin is openly calling for impeachment. Sure, she’s not a conservative by any means, but she’s also not Maxine Waters. If the vote came up today in the House, I bet there are 30-40 AYEs in the GOP caucus.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  489. Kevin M: as a *legal* matter, I think the President can be impeached for any reason that Congress wants. I cannot imagine courts hearing a case where the President is arguing that the “high crime and misdemeanor” of which the Senate has convicted him isn’t actually a high crime and misdemeanor.

    Politically, we aren’t yet to the point where Trump can be impeached. But the grounds are shifting.

    Of course, it requires a 2/3 majority to convict.

    aphrael (b953f5)

  490. If you could the Dems to absolutely roll over on topic area (HC-repeal only, tax reform, strict immigration enforcement or other) of legislation in exchange for the number of # of Repubs needed for impeachment, what would that be?

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  491. Urbanleftbehind, directed at me: anything that doesn’t involve violating people’s fundamental civil rights. I would not support either the Republican health care plan OR the Republican tax reform in general, and I would accept a deal that conceded either in exchange for removing Trump.

    This shouldn’t surprise you. I was one of the original anti-Trumpers on the left, and I think I’ve been pretty clear that I think he poses an existential threat to the Republic — both because of who he is and how he acts, *and* because of how other people will react to him. Part of that belief carries with it a belief that even a really high price is worth it, to be rid of him.

    I *do not* speak for a broad cross-section of the left on this, at least not yet. There’s been some movement in this direction in certain circles, but there’s still a large chunk that (wrongly) thinks Pence would be worse because he’d be more effective at undermining liberal policy priorities.

    aphrael (b953f5)

  492. That would be a bad bargain in the long run, Aphrael. I don’t think republicans would cooperate with any compromising changes to their ‘plan’. It would be business as usual.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  493. Ben Burn: if the stories about the Mattis/Kelly/McMaster/Tillerson cabal trying to control the President are true, then *not* doing whatever we can to get rid of Trump is risking catastrophe. Either they fail and something catastrophic happens, or they succeed and the appointed bureaucrats neutering the elected President becomes an accepted part of our political heritage.

    *As a polity* we can recover from a decade or two of bad health care policy. *As a polity* we may not be able to recover from eight years of a Trump presidency.

    aphrael (b953f5)

  494. aphrael–

    The only GOP health care plan I supported was Ryan’s original plan with some modifications for more help at the low end. Something the Democrats could have gotten had they not been on strike. It would have created a plan that helped more people than Obamacare while moving control away from government.

    Everything the Senate proposed was terrible, or worse, and largely unworkable.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  495. but sleazy torture victim John McCain’s obamacare plan’s the worst one of all though

    this is partly why everyone hates him but not the whole reason

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  496. I’m sure you won’t miss me, but this “NeverTrumper” BS of yours is too much. I have stopped visiting so much, but you have jumped the shark. The 4th estate gets some perks from the taxpayer, but if they want to act like an arm of the DNC, then they should not get a dang thing. Go twiddle your tie and impress yourself with how sophisticated you are compared to the deplorables, but you are still a douchebag lawyer who plays with slime every day in the f-ed up state that you apparently enjoy.

    Smarty (4a244d)

  497. @ NJ Rob, who wrote (#):

    You’re obviously not a fan. Yanks were 2-5 versus the Astros this year, not 1-7. Yanks have just defeated the best team in baseball 3 straight which hasn’t been done to Cleveland since July 30-Aug 2.

    I’m a fair-weather fan of MLB, but a long-time fair-weather fan. I’ll cheerfully accept your correction about the Yanks/Astros season record, if you think the difference between 2-5 and 1-7 is significant. As for the Indians being the “best team in baseball,” I am indeed enough of a fan to know that they have something called a “World Series” at the end of every season precisely in order to figure that out.

    Oh, did you mean during August? Yeah, the Indians had a fine streak then, and their fans should be very proud. But they finished the season in a near-tie with the Astros, and then couldn’t hold serve despite their homefield advantage over the Yankees. So yeah, depending on how the Yankees do against the Astros, the Indians will go down in the record books as either the third or fourth best team in the American League for 2017, which is nothing to sneeze at, but not quite “best team in baseball.”

    See, I’m enough of a fan to engage in very polite trash-talk! 😀 Let’s agree to agree that Yanks vs. Astros should be entertaining. Play ball!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  498. @ Smarty, who wrote, referring to our host (#510):

    [Y]ou are still a douchebag lawyer who plays with slime every day in the f-ed up state that you apparently enjoy.

    If by “playing with slime” you mean “prosecuting the most serious crimes and criminals,” you have a strange concept of play. I’d agree with you that California has many problems, but our host isn’t one of them; rather, he’s a candid critic of CA’s problems and one of the genuine public servants who’s keeping Los Angeles from slipping all the way down into an anarchic abyss.

    You’re not very good at insults.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  499. *As a polity* we can recover from a decade or two of bad health care policy. *As a polity* we may not be able to recover from eight years of a Trump presidency.

    aphrael (b953f5) — 10/12/2017 @ 2:18 pm

    Won’t know until we recover from 8 years of Big Zero

    Colonel Haiku (7680d5)

  500. @500. Can a President be impeached for being incompetent?

    ‘Incompetence’ may likely fall more into the 25th amendment area. Apparently Bannon alerted Trump ’bout it. Our Captain’s response: what’s that.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  501. @460- DRJ, back in the day a popular neighborhood house cut to the chase and handed out quarters. The sound of loose change dropping into bags seemed to bring bigger smiles than Snickers.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  502. @ Kevin M, who asked (#500):

    Can a President be impeached for being incompetent? It would seem apolitical to do so, and I am willing to bet that there are enough votes in the Senate now to convict.

    I agree with what aphrael wrote in #502. I don’t think we’re yet to the point that impeachment articles could get the required majority in the House, but we’re nowhere remotely close to the point where they could get two-thirds in the Senate. It’s never before been done in American history, and you’re talking about the same GOP senators who’re insisting on playing Charlie Brown kicking the football yet again — this time their assumption that the Dems might not abolish the filibuster the very instant they are again in the majority in the Senate. If they don’t have the guts and sense to cure their own impotency, they’re certainly not going to unite as a potent force to bring down a POTUS of their own party — with consequences likely to include being primaried from the right by enraged Trumpkins. After all, most of them want to be POTUS, so they’d not be much served by setting a precedent that incompetence is a “high crime or misdemeanor,” even as defined in Congress in a purely political (not legal) determination.

    I’m emphatically not saying we’ll never, ever get to that point. Trump has been unique and uniquely awful, so he might end up as the first POTUS to actually be impeached by the House and convicted in the Senate, in something analogous to Watergate in which members of his own ostensible party turn against him. But at this point, he could probably survive even the proverbial “being caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  503. I pointed out the implausibility of two of Sherman’s premises,

    narciso (d1f714)

  504. Ha!! white rice is clogging material
    mg (31009b) — 10/12/2017 @ 12:42 pm

    You can use it as mortar to build a brick wall.

    nk (dbc370)

  505. Sports teams performance re their compensation is a problem, its particularly acute in professional football, a little in college ball, and even some in baseball.

    narciso (d1f714)

  506. Tonight’s the night!
    Will the Cubs do all right?
    Or will the Senators stop them now?

    nk (dbc370)

  507. “Trust me. This is going to be so much better and….cheaper than anything you have ever seen”
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/10/12/presidential-executive-order-promoting-healthcare-choice-and-competition

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  508. All you need to know about NBC without taking their broadcast license:

    But today, in a rare press availability, Kelly denied a lot of this speculation.

    He said that, actually, his only frustrations are that the media has taken such a hostile view of the Trump administration, and that President Obama left a lot of things to be fixed. He said, “It is astounding to me how much is misreported.” He said that much of what he sees in the news about Trump or himself “is just not true.” And citing the economy, healthcare, and international affairs, he said, “I don’t mean any criticism to Mr. Trump’s predecessors, but there were an awful lot of things that were in my view were kicked down the road that have come home to roost.”

    Lenny (5ea732)

  509. Kelly denies the day following Mattis denials, almost coordinated. But Tillerson is not backing down from ‘moron’ yet

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)


  510. 513.*As a polity* we can recover from a decade or two of bad health care policy. *As a polity* we may not be able to recover from eight years of a Trump presidency.

    aphrael (b953f5) — 10/12/2017 @ 2:18 pm

    *as a polity* we won’t live through a “decade or two” of bad health care policy, but if we can recover from the mess left by several previous Presidents then we can recover from Trump. If by *recover* you mean return to the two party system which is really only one party, the slow unrelenting slide toward universal communism disguised as socialism, the destruction of the sexes, the family, religion, truth in reporting, free speech and on and in then surely recovery is fate. The object of *Trump* is to stop the same old same old like Hillary would have continued in favor of a new way of saying: “America is still a great country even though leftists have been propagandizing through education, the media and entertainment that we are the worst thing to happen to man-excuse me personkind.”

    Trump kicked over the apple cart and the left is still in a panic. Instead of realizing it shows they’re weak you join them of fear of being called a Deplorable rich intolerant bitter clinging hate-mongering war-mongering fear-mongering privileged middle-class micro-aggressing triggering patriarchal straight sexist misogynist cisgendered hetero-normative transphobic homophobic homogeneous hegemonic racist xenophobic jingoistic nativist tea-bagging redneck hillbilly white euro-centric male Zionist Evangelical Christian Far-Right Extreme-Right Uber-Right Ultra-Right Alt-Right NeoCon so-called conservative Republican bourgeoisie capitalist colonialist imperialist fascist!

    Trump is in favor of redefining marriage, has a ten-point plan for renewal of the inner city, employs more women than men as executives in his businesses, has been married to two immigrants, and has a Jewish daughter and three Jewish grandchildren. These would seem to put the lie to claims Trump is racist, xenophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-LGBTQ. So why, given these many things on which his opponents might agree with the president, are they unmoved to acknowledge common ground? Because Trump represents NON HILLARY which is NOT the status quo.

    They hate and fear Trump because they hate and fear you!

    Rev.Hoagie® (6bbda7)

  511. I pointed out the implausibility of two of Sherman’s premises,

    Where? Scrolling through all the chatter about rice, Astros, and impeachment that won’t happen until Jan 2019 at the earliest, I didn’t see any such.

    Mind you, a source who evokes the image of Mattis and Kelly bodyslamming Trump to keep him from pressing the nuclear button carries its implausibility proudly for all to see.

    kishnevi (f62e06)

  512. I think that’s a fair read, the hysteria comers from the usual corners of crazy, but also people who should know better.

    narciso (d1f714)

  513. See, I’m enough of a fan to engage in very polite trash-talk! 😀 Let’s agree to agree that Yanks vs. Astros should be entertaining. Play ball!

    Beldar (fa637a) — 10/12/2017 @ 4:05 pm

    That’s all I was looking for. Just some good natured ribbing before the game
    Play ball!

    NJRob (f7392b)

  514. . But at this point, he could probably survive even the proverbial “being caught in bed with a live boy or a dead girl.”

    I guess we need to find a dead boy, then.

    (my grim humor, folks, my grim humor!)

    kishnevi (f62e06)

  515. Thought so! I’ll buy the first round metaphorically, and you can get the first if we ever watch a ball game together!

    Beldar (fa637a)

  516. “best team in baseball”

    Well, we’ll see later this month, but going into the playoffs the Dodgers had the best record and they took apart the Diamondbacks in 3. Yeah, Cleveland had the best AL record except for the last 3 games.

    I have a friend in Houston who I’d love to bet on a Astros-Dodgers series. Still, Yankees-Dodgers has a familiar ring to it.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  517. “Trump to keep him from pressing the nuclear button carries its implausibility proudly for all to see.”

    Agreed. An earlier comment to Aphrael vanished but was to this point. He’s stupid and venal but not crazee. He’s a barker not the actual attack dog. My concern is over keeping his cake hole shut. He provokes International incidents and some but could be inspired to initiate, requiring a response.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  518. Won’t know until we recover from 8 years of Big Zero

    Consider the possibility that Trump isn’t an improvement, as Obama wasn’t an improvement over Bush. Yeah, judges, but Obama left the house on fire and all Trump does is fiddle tweet.

    Go talk to some honest liberal you know. Ask them if they would trade Trump for W. I bet they say “YES!” almost instantly.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  519. No. Dubya was a different bowl of trouble. He was stage 4 brain cancer to Trumps stage 5 as prognosis for the Republican Party.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  520. @523. Ben, the recent CEO of Exxon/Mobil, which is more or less a nation-state all it’s own, is adept at maneuvering; but he ain’t gonna back down w/t likes of a Trump once his cards have been played. With a BoD and stockholders to deliver for is a safe bet he’s a better businessman – and negotiator- than Trump ever could dream of being. But government service may not be a good fit for him.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  521. The Yankees are the best team in baseball, just as the Packers are the best team in football, from a historical perspective. The Dodgers were bums in Brooklyn and, if not for expansion which diluted the potency of all the teams, they’d still be bums in LA. The Cardinals are what I wish the Cubs were, but I liked to tease JD about them. When he’d say “the best team in baseball”, I’d tell him “I thought you were a Cardinals fan, JD”.

    nk (dbc370)

  522. @533. Look at Trump as a transient; an experiment. Like Prohibition.

    Then go have another beer.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  523. DC: I think TRex would agree.

    Of course I know little of him but what I’ve seen changed my opinion considerably and I don’t think he had a mentor and his learning curve had to be steep.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  524. BGeldar,

    I think it is utterly impossible to impeach Trump for some “crime.” The damage to the GOP would be immense. But a bipartisan effort based on unsuitability and not on criminality might have a better chance. When you have Senators talking about “adult day care” and not a lot of movement to censure said Senator, the SecState saying unkind things, the point will come when the man’s incompetence is so terribly obvious that it would behoove the GOP to get out in front.

    But 67 now? No. A majority though. Perhaps even 60. And if done in a way that leaves Pence uncrippled, maybe more.

    Who? Assuming all 48 Democrats… McCain, Graham, Flake, Sasse, Collins, Corker, Paul seem likely. Maybe Murkowski, Rubio, Cruz, Lee, Cotton, Roberts and ???

    If the GOP Senators see Trump as being ineffectual and burning their future, it will be a preference cascade.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  525. OK, question waaay off topic, but since there has been discussion waaay off topic here regarding japanese cuisine and such…can anyone tell me if 25 year old saki originally bottled in a glass jar is (somewhat) safe for consumption? Asking for a friend, really…also, this might be relevant… the inside of the jar lables have pictures of naked european-looking women on them. My friend waits in anxious anticipation of any feedback.

    CFarleigh (a06bdc)

  526. Or will the Senators stop them now?

    In any event the Dodgers are tan, ready and rested.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  527. No! Don’t drink things you don’t know the provenance of! Tell the cheapskate alky to run down to a Binny’s and spend $10.00 or $20.00 on a fresh, sealed bottle, and leave this one on his shelf as a knicknack.

    nk (dbc370)

  528. Whoops. Missed Rex being trotted out to call Trump ‘smart.

    https://www.google.com/amp/m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_59d4f737e4b0218923e6e8f0/amp

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  529. Trump kicked over the apple cart

    Yes, he did. He bulled right through their china shop. But you don’t ask the bull to put the china shop back together. All he’ll do is stomp on the pieces.

    My problem with Trump is not that he “broke the system” — it needed breaking. It’s that he’s woefully incompetent and cannot build anything that will last. Cruz would have done many of the same things, but he had a clue as to what to do next. Trump doesn’t and the idea that he will “grow in office” has got to be abandoned soon.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  530. I’m sure you won’t miss me, but this “NeverTrumper” BS of yours is too much. I have stopped visiting so much, but you have jumped the shark. The 4th estate gets some perks from the taxpayer, but if they want to act like an arm of the DNC, then they should not get a dang thing. Go twiddle your tie and impress yourself with how sophisticated you are compared to the deplorables, but you are still a douchebag lawyer who plays with slime every day in the f-ed up state that you apparently enjoy.

    I have read and considered your comment, and I have concluded that you are right. If you leave, I won’t miss you.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  531. @537. Remember, Foggy Bottom isn’t structured like Exxon/Mobil nor is it quarterly driven.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  532. I also think that the old medical insurance system needed breaking, and Obama managed to break only part of it. And he, too was incompetent at putting it back together, which is why we have this festering crappile called Obamacare. There’s a difference between “reform” and “destruction.”

    Kevin M (752a26)

  533. Methanol blindness is irreversible.

    nk (dbc370)

  534. Knuckling under is important to you as can plainly be seen. If you’re up to it, in the future you might address those few good points I scribble without all the noise of insurance and outrage.

    I enjoy showing people who’s in charge here when they act like this is my blog and not theirs. As to addressing your points, it’s rather unlikely. I think I will leave you in the “I can’t hear him” script.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  535. Beldar, not BGeldar. Bad fingers. Bad. Bad.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  536. He’s teh Boss with teh Hot Sauce… teh Master Blaster… the Main Boy with teh “La-La-La” Toy…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  537. The Democrats War on Womyn continues apace.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  538. War on Nasty Womyn

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  539. Yes he wanted single point, as Morgan revealed, he knew it would take a decade or more, and it is becoming De fact that,, while kimmel warbles like a mynock.

    narciso (d1f714)

  540. That would be Obama, who lied, bribed and extorted his way, unfortunately he failed much less than we had.

    narciso (d1f714)

  541. Dodgers or Doyers as it were just because of the mayhem potential.

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  542. Cubs 7-4 at top of the 6th. My guess is that the Cubs will win because a Cubs-Dodgers match-up will make a lot more money for the MLB than a Nationals-Dodgers match-up.

    nk (dbc370)

  543. If it’s the Stankees in the WS, does Hank Steinbrenner’s very good friend show up?

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  544. Trump administration ends cost-sharing subsidies due to Congress failing to fund the program. This after they blew apart exchanges with their gutting of the Obamacare rules.

    How long before the Dems are at the negotiating table for health care. They could have had a better deal this year than they’re going to get next year.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  545. will make a lot more money for the MLB

    Which is why we have had such a steady diet of big-city World Series matchups for the last decade or two.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  546. I would bet money that the ’94 strike was allowed to drag the season away because there was real risk of a 3rd world series in a row won by a Canadian team (Expos, following back to back Blue Jays championships).

    urbanleftbehind (5abba7)

  547. Thought so! I’ll buy the first round metaphorically, and you can get the first if we ever watch a ball game together!

    Beldar (fa637a) — 10/12/2017 @ 5:34 pm

    I’m game though you seem to get the better end of that deal.

    I’m grateful the cancer in the NFL hasn’t spread to the MLB, yet. Sports are a useful and fun distraction sometimes.

    NJRob (f7392b)

  548. Only until the second round.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  549. Trump thugs let rapists, pedophiles and disease riddled illegals come to America from Australia. Hey Trump, that is what I call a loss you fu##ing idiot.

    mg (31009b)

  550. Thugs of Trump will never back out of the Iran deal, put your pussy hat on dumb Donald.

    mg (31009b)

  551. President Donald J Clinton is becoming a pantsuit. Soon he will be riding a girls bike with mom jeans.

    mg (31009b)

  552. I’d rather see Donny J Clinton tweeting b.s. than reneging campaign promises.

    mg (31009b)

  553. Touche.

    NJRob (f7392b)

  554. Patience mg, seeing as we are probably pulling out if the Iran deal, reforming robertscare in firs and starts while others were roasting squirrel.

    narciso (d1f714)

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