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9/4/2017

Trump’s Rumored DACA Abolition Is the Right Thing to Do and the Right Way to Do It

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:02 pm



streiff covered the POLITICO story earlier about Trump’s rumored abolition of DACA. Stories based on anonymous sources are worth nothing without corroboration — but if the rumors are true, Trump is finally acting correctly here, and we should say so.

DACA was an unconstitutional move by President Obama. He caused this problem because he issued an imperial order that had no basis in our Constitution, and could be reversed by any future president. Our Constitution gives primary authority over immigration to Congress, not the President. Obama had no business announcing and implementing this policy. Congressional Republicans were right to challenge it in court, and Jeff Sessions should not be defending a policy he rightly believes is a violation of the separation of powers.

However, Trump is also right to give Congress time for a legislative fix. The issue is a thorny one.

On one hand, people who came here as children are not wrongdoers. Unlike people who deliberately cross the border as adults, children cannot make such a decision, and there is a moral issue involved with punishing them for a situation they did not knowingly cause. For many “DREAMers” this country is all they have ever known.

But that’s not the only policy issue. I’m old enough to remember the summer of 2014, when there was a humanitarian crisis at the Texas border — a scene of utter chaos caused by the announcement of Obama’s DACA program. That summer, the DACA policy was widely if incorrectly interpreted in Central America as providing a “get in the U.S. for free” card, to be claimed by anyone who made it into the country by the end of June 2014. Unintended consequences like this are always going to happen whenever there is an amnesty, no matter how limited or targeted.

In the end, there will have to be trade-offs and judgment calls. The Constitution says Congress should be making these decisions. Trump is right to give them time to do so.

I doubt Trump is taking this action because he respects the Constitution. At Hot Air, Allahpundit says Trump is just looking to pass the buck, and that’s probably right. Trump does almost nothing for the right reasons.

That said, this is still the right call — if the anonymously sourced rumors are true.

We’ll see.

UPDATE: What a sucker I was to believe he meant it when he said he was abolishing DACA:

[Cross-posted at RedState and The Jury Talks Back.]

246 Responses to “Trump’s Rumored DACA Abolition Is the Right Thing to Do and the Right Way to Do It”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (115b1f)

  2. As I posted on the previous thread: Well said, counselor.

    This has always been a job for Congress. Obama had this right before deciding to whip out his feel-good pen and leave this mess for others to clean up.

    I would add that you can sense a bigger deal coming if Congressional leadership wants to actually accomplish something.

    crazy (11d38b)

  3. Greetings:

    Con los pauvres de la tierra, ahora y siempre.

    Me, I’m thinking that letting a Congress that couldn’t find its way to a courthouse when the President of the former USofA overstepped his bounds should indeed be charged with resolving the continuing malfeasance.

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  4. DACA was an unconstitutional move by President Obama. He caused this problem because he issued an imperial order that had no basis in our Constitution, and could be reversed by any future president.
    Patterico

    Funny that I haven’t heard a single news report that points this out.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  5. Yes, indeed. The right thing to do.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  6. Almost exactly a year ago, Trump falsely promised his supporters that he would get rid of DACA “immediately”. Another promise unkept.

    We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the Constitution to give amnesty to approximately five million illegal immigrants, five million.

    In that same speech, he promised that Mexico would pay for “one hundred percent” of the cost of the wall. LOL.

    Dave (445e97)

  7. Trump is just looking to pass the buck, and that’s probably right.

    Which is par for the course– at Bedminster and Mar-A-Lago. There’s bigger things on his plate besides DACA and scoops of delicious Breyer’s French Vanilla. No, not nuclear issues w/NK, but whether that flood insurance is all paid up at Mar-A-Lago… Darlin’ Irma may be payin’ a call but she don’t pay no $200,000 dues.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  8. Funny that I haven’t heard a single news report that points this out.
    AZ Bob (f7a491) — 9/4/2017 @ 1:21 pm

    That’s not funny AZ Bob, that’s sad. That’s the reason so many people (including me) don’t believe anything the media says, does, reports on or fails to report on unless we get some sort of *outside the bubble* confirmation. Patterico is a lawyer so I assume he is correct on this point. But even if it goes to 11B40’s point that the damn congress hasn’t the balls to get a court order to stop Obama’s malfeasance either way it’s illegal.

    Rev.Hoagie® (630eca)

  9. Funny is an expression.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  10. But you are right. It was legal as long as Congress acquiesced.

    AZ Bob (f7a491)

  11. President Trump’s masterfully set us on a road what has the most promise of arriving at some semblance of a consensus on immigration of any we’ve explored in literally decades in this country.

    What i shall find curious will be if we find that the corrupt and trashy McConnell Senate is more readily able to come to agreement on this issue than they were on obamacare.

    Curious, because so many more of these trashy-assed Republican senators have lied to their voters about their positions on immigration than ever dissembled about Obamacare.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  12. 3- 11B40
    Wished I’d said that

    mg (31009b)

  13. Funny that I haven’t heard a single news report that points this out.

    I’m not defending the policy (in fact I am opposed to it, and have been since it began), but there is no conspiracy to conceal anything. The original DACA policy memorandum clearly stated:

    This memorandum confers no substantive right, immigration status or pathway to citizenship. Only the Congress, acting through its legislative authority, can confer these rights. It remains for the executive branch, however, to set forth policy for the exercise of discretion within the framework of the existing law.

    It is bad policy, and certainly violates the spirit of our immigration laws.

    Whether it is “unconstitutional” to systematically exercise prosecutorial discretion in such a way as to temporarily exempt a certain group of people from enforcement of the law (in order to – ostensibly – focus resources on higher priority cases) is less clear to me.

    Dave (445e97)

  14. It is the job of Congress, and it’s about time they start doing it and stop passing the buck to nameless, faceless bureaucrats or to some egomaniac president. I’m sick of them punting to someone else and then having show trials in some hearing room. If they can’t spell out a bill, they should not pass it!

    I hope Trump makes a speech to that effect. Hey, I can hope. I fear though we are in for six months of violent protest and then the status quo.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  15. Tradeoffs:

    I’ll give you (a) one DACA amnesty (including right to work) for those ALREADY on the DACA list as of [some date in the past], and (b) one [regular-no going to front of line] application for citizenship, if you give me (i) money for one wall, (ii) no chain migration (including none for the DACA kids), and (iii) no birthright citizenship unless at least one parent is a U.S. citizen.

    Take-it or leave-it offer is good until [___, 2017]. Deal?

    ColoComment (e457e2)

  16. Small amendment to #15..allow applications postmarked SAT September 2. That I know of, there was no midnight madness at SoCal post offices as with April 15 or 18 or whatever wrinkle comes up. Other than that, Colo nailed it,.

    urbanleftbehind (e8118a)

  17. Deal?

    Seems pretty doubtful, since you’re talking about a constitutional amendment.

    Oh, and Mexico is supposed to pay for “one hundred percent” of the wall, remember?

    Dave (445e97)

  18. Good point, Dave!

    I’ll settle for an undertaking to submit an appropriate, single-topic proposed amendment for ratification by the states within a reasonable deadline. Or maybe SCOTUS would weigh in on “…and subject to the jurisdiction thereof…,” if it hasn’t already (IANAL & have no idea on that.)

    Any legislatively authorized method for obtaining the money for the wall would suffice: a small tax on remittances to Mexico sounds ok to me, or some alternate creative funding plan. …like a surtax on residences with a market value >$x million? …or maybe just residences in gated communities? There are unlimited possibilities! 😉

    ColoComment (e457e2)

  19. This is the right thing to do though I wish he would’ve announced it on January 20th. Then we could see which of our Flake’s support amnesty and which don’t.

    No more pretending to support border enforcement when you’re running for office then claiming you need to make sausage when you get there.

    NJRob (89e97f)

  20. A pox on promises is consistent with Trump. In the US it’s not enough to get it in writing.

    ‘Nuff said..

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  21. I can see Trump doing this, but not to pass the buck, but rather to force the hand of congressional Republicans. It would be a way for Trump to remind them of his position, and to compel them to push the big rock uphill and solve this vexing issue, while he appears to be doing what he promised he would. It also would serve as a way to buck the establishment wing of the party. A thing he seems to enjoy doing.

    Dana (023079)

  22. Congress has had plenty of time to authorize DACA.

    To me, this is DJT pulling an Obama by refusing to enforce a distasteful, to him, law. It’s that simple.

    I do not for a nanosecond dispute that enforcement of the law against those who entered the USA under this rubric would be a wrenching experience. The world at large sucks for billions. Billions. But if we are to have any hope of maintaining the culture and structure which has allowed for the most relief and elevation of the most in history, we must draw lines. If those lines are not respected, it’s all over. For billions more.

    DJT is the latest/greatest who wants it all ways. Would that humanity could operate well with such behaviors. We do not.

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  23. The Pew Hispanic Center May 2016 Study found that at the end of President Obama’s second term, the middle class had been shrinking in the vast majority of metropolitan areas of the US.

    The importance of the metropolitan areas is that 1) 76% of all Americans live in metro areas, 2) metro areas are the areas where most jobs are located, and 3) illegal immigration is promoted in metro areas all across the nation.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  24. What if they’re gay transgender Dreamers who want to enlist in the Navy SEALs and be waterboarded?

    nk (dbc370)

  25. That’s a niche market,

    Its not a law, bannon remember persuaded him to keep dacha, you could hear the crickets at that moment

    narciso (d1f714)

  26. randy tranny-loving US Army General AngryPuppy Mattis will overheat with excitement

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  27. oopers AngryPuppy actually hails from the “marines”

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  28. I sure would like to see Congress demand increased civil rights for US citizens in Mexico, including the right to own property wherever and of whatever kind.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  29. You know, Kevin M., one of my favorite tricks is to get my progressive pals to tell me that our treatment of illegal immigrants is better than Mexico’s. They have real trouble saying so.

    This is because they have to hate their own, and put The Other on a pedestal. Oikophobia.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  30. I would also like to see “birthright” citizenship interpreted by the courts to require a clear intent to immigrate. Just as it was “obviously” not for the children of diplomats, it should also not be for the children of mere passersby.

    Perhaps a provisional citizenship dependent on several years of residence before the age of 5.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  31. SJ,

    And actually, I’d like to see them demand Baja. We were supposed to get it back in the 1840’s.

    OF course, Jerry Brown would move there, run for governor, and ruin that state, too.

    Kevin M (752a26)

  32. The Mattis/Kelly dynamics have something in common. You see, I think maybe your guy has had a confrontation with the real tough guys who don’t blink when he’s acting out. He’s the bully who’s bluff has been called maybe for the first time. That weakness worries me most but Kelly/Mattis seem ok, so there’s that.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  33. It does seem to violate civilian control of the military but now thats another one of those fake laws, or promises broken from which we extract our pound of flesh.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  34. Is Trump becoming a figurehead, or is it just a trend for the Presidency?

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  35. That’s right, narciso, it is not a law. It is an exercise in prosecutorial discretion that Obama exercised through, or over the heads of, his AG and DHS Secretary. All Congress has to do is do nothing except tell Trump: “The law is what it is. Enforce it!”

    nk (dbc370)

  36. FWIW, here’s a post by Ilya Somin at WaPo’s Volokh Conspiracy blog on the DACA question. Ilya is an open borders type. I disagree with much that he writes on this topic (but I won’t reveal which parts, heh.)
    Do follow the comments for the back ‘n forth arguments on the issues. The commenters are, for the most part, addressing the issue (not partisan political pedestals.)

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2017/09/04/the-case-for-daca/?utm_term=.f890ddc9480f#comments

    This is a terribly divisive situation. There is NO good, happy answer. How far, though, are you willing to compromise to reach a resolution?
    Forget Trump’s promises. Forget Obama’s pen and phone. Address the ISSUE. You are president of the entire country: what do YOU do?

    PS: apparently DACA does not reach even the level of executive order, merely executive action, although I do not quite understand the difference, evidently there is one, with “order” proclaiming somewhat more authority?

    ColoComment (e457e2)

  37. It’s at the same level as a traffic cop saying “Please drive carefully, sir” instead of giving you a ticket for running the stop sign, ColoComment.

    nk (dbc370)

  38. Promise-keepers screw dreamers

    News @ 11

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  39. “I doubt Trump is taking this action because he respects the Constitution. At Hot Air, Allahpundit says Trump is just looking to pass the buck, and that’s probably right. Trump does almost nothing for the right reasons.”

    Amazingly bitchy, mean spirited and small minded

    Bill Saracino (ad0096)

  40. Senator Cotton comes very close to a good, happy answer here.

    “In any legislative fix, I would like to see them receive a green card,” Cotton said. At the same time, he continued, “We ought to recognize that giving them legal status has two problems. First, it creates a whole new class of people who will then be eligible for a green card and citizenship — namely, the extended family members of those who will receive legal status who can, through chain migration, get legal status themselves.”

    “Second,” Cotton said, “it will encourage more illegal immigration.

    The first problem can be fixed by passing the RAISE Act, Cotton said — the bill Cotton has sponsored with fellow GOP Sen. David Perdue that would strictly limit chain migration as well as re-balance current immigration policy in favor of skilled immigrants.

    The second problem could be addressed by extending E-verify across the country, which Cotton called “the best way to reduce more illegal immigration.”

    i despise e-verify but c’mon – the trash what run failmerica’s “Homeland Security Department” can’t be relied upon to enforce it, so this point’s rather moot

    but the RAISE Act is meritorious

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  41. An honorable man’s word is Law of a sort not contemplated by this sort.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  42. Like thieving lawyers conspiring to break a Trust.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  43. ohnoes the obnoxious freedom filth are at it again

    this time they want to hold up Harvey aid so they can force failmerica into default

    better defund Planned Parenthood while you’re at it, little boys

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  44. #abortionismurder

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  45. Yeah, right, because Cotton did such a sterling job repealing and replacing Obamacare. All he’s doing is straddling, weaseling and obfuscating.

    Just enforce the danged law! As it is! What’s so f***ing hard to understand?

    nk (dbc370)

  46. i think he’s making a good faith effort to move President Trump’s agenda down the field

    as long as the Senate’s filled with disgraceful cowardly trash like John McCain, enforcing the law will never be an option

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  47. as long as the Senate’s filled with disgraceful cowardly trash like John McCain, enforcing the law will never be an option

    So if President Trump fails to do his job, it’s John McCain’s fault?

    Dave (445e97)

  48. Yeah, to expand on my traffic cop comparison at Comment 37, it’s like the traffic cop saying “I’ll give the legislature six months to tell me whether I should write you a ticket for running that stop sign”.

    Do you get it, Mr. Bill Saracino @ 39?

    nk (dbc370)

  49. It should come as no surprise to anyone that 8 years ago, Trump was in favor of letting these folks stay:
    https://twitter.com/KFILE/status/904791884672925697

    Davethulhu (3a2442)

  50. lots of things changed after food stamp and daddy soros decided illegal aliens were something they could profitably weaponize against america and europe

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  51. Good luck on that, Dave.

    But you aren’t wrong.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  52. 48/nk, its a dice roll; some traffic cops dont show up at your court appointment and you get off, others like my cousin the tac unit CPD guy at Harrison district show up for the OT pay.

    urbanleftbehind (c817df)

  53. So if President Trump fails to do his job, it’s John McCain’s fault?

    filthy disgraced war hero John McCain voted for a border fence and then voted not to fund it

    he’s a liar and a coward, you see

    he approaches immigration with the same lying sniveling deceit he demonstrated with his vote to do obamacare all up in it

    the man has no class

    he has no honor

    he is filth

    and this is the context in which President Trump is gamely attempting to fulfill the agenda the american people voted for

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  54. Well, at least you have class. It would be awful if you were just a profane troll, with disgusting personal habits, homophobia, and misogyny.

    And this illustrates the problem. It isn’t enough for lying immature profane trolls to say they disagree—heartily—with decisions. It has to be personal. And nasty.

    Because that’s how lying hypocritical trolls with bad breath and worse taste have to roll.

    See how that works?

    This is why the filter is necessary.

    Simon Jester (f0f1c8)

  55. yes yes it’s important to speak clearly in these matters

    it’s important we see how it happens and who played which part

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  56. Senator Cotton comes very close to a good, happy answer

    So you want President Trump to break his promise to end DACA?

    We will immediately terminate President Obama’s two illegal executive amnesties in which he defied federal law and the Constitution to give amnesty to approximately five million illegal immigrants, five million.

    I guess he’s broken so many promises already, what’s one more, right?

    Dave (445e97)

  57. It’s right for the right reasons-Congress in the form of Thom Tillis and Paul Ryan was good and ready to say WE’VE GOT YOUR MODIFIED DACA LEGISLATION RIGHT HERE JUST IN TIME TO SHOEHORN INTO THE FEDERAL BUDGET WITHOUT DEBATE and Trump kicked it down the road to where they’d have to vote on it during an election year.

    Something that forces the paid-off traitors to reveal who’s paying them right when the people have the chance to decide is making what we call a GOOD DEAL FOR EVERYONE.

    “The Constitution says Congress should be making these decisions. Trump is right to give them time to do so.”

    Trump has by now figured out that Congress is absolutely useless and taking advantage of it by putting them in charge of coming up with legislation on Dreamers that they’ll have to pass independently of anything else, and face the full political consequences for (HA HA HA THIS WILL NEVER EVER HAPPEN.)

    Congress will remain divided and continue to schizophrenically lust after the cheap labor lobby cash while mouthing MAGA platitudes and not accomplishing anything, eventually forcing the President to take executive action anyway.

    Really, how can you make a donor-free analysis of Congressional interests in this day and age?

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  58. Mr. Dave i want to undo the evil weaponization of illegal aliens perpetrated on America by Obama

    and I want America to move forward in a way such that the “immigration debate” plays a substantially lesser role in our politics

    Senator Cotton, I think maybe he wants the same things I want

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  59. Meanwhile if you wanted an actually useful analysis on DACA and the people who now claim that it’s SETTLED LAW THAT WE WILL SUE TO THE DEATH TO DEFEND you could just read Federale:

    http://www.vdare.com/posts/cultural-marxists-seeking-to-impose-daca-on-the-nation

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  60. @58

    So in other words, yes, you want President Trump to break his promise to end DACA…

    Dave (445e97)

  61. no that is not what i said

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  62. Simon, I emailed the code to Patrick. You can ask him to email it to you in an attachment. Open the attachment and replace the “Name1, Name2, name3, Name4, with the names of the commenters you wish to filter, then re-save the text file. Leave the text file open on your desktop, and open your browser.

    Open your bookmark sidebar by right-clicking your browser’s show bookmark icon to show your bookmarks, or show bookmark sidebar. Right-click anywhere over your bookmarks to open a menu and choose new bookmark, or create new bookmark. Then you copy/paste the text of the code form the text file into the location box. Name your new bookmark and save it. Leave your bookmark side-bar open.

    To use the code you simply go to any post, and then, before reading the comment section, click on the bookmark you created. The only tedious thing about using the filter is that you must re-click the filter every time your page refreshes.

    felipe (023cc9)

  63. @59

    CULTURAL MARXISM!!!

    Cultural Marxism generally refers to one of two things:

    First — extremely rarely — “Cultural Marxism” refers to the general application of the Frankfurt School’s Marxist ideology to the social sciences.
    Second — in common usage in the wild — “Cultural Marxism” is a snarl word used to paint anyone with progressive tendencies as a secret Communist. The term alludes to a conspiracy theory in which sinister left-wingers have infiltrated media, academia, and science and are engaged in a decades-long plot to undermine Western culture. Some variants of the conspiracy alleges that basically all of modern social liberalism is, in fact, a Communist front group.

    This conspiracy theory hinges on the idea that the Frankfurt School wasn’t just an arcane strain of academic criticism.[note 1] Instead, the Frankfurt School was behind an ongoing Marxist plot to destroy the capitalist West from within, spreading its tentacles throughout academia and indoctrinating students to hate patriotism & freedom. Thus, rock’n’roll, Sixties counterculture, the civil rights movement, the anti-war movement, homosexuality,[1] modern feminism, and in general all the “decay” in the West since the 1950s are allegedly products of the Frankfurt school.[2] It’s also the work of the Jews.[3][4]

    The conspiracist usage originated in Nazi Germany, where Kulturbolschewismus (“Cultural Bolshevism”) was used to abuse political opponents. In particular, Jews purportedly were secretly orchestrating the spread of Communism (Jewish BolshevismWikipedia’s W.svg) as well as promoting sexual & gender permissiveness (“sexual Bolshevism”).[5]

    If anyone rants about “Cultural Marxists taking over culture!”, feel free to remind them that they’re literally spouting Nazi propaganda updated for the modern era.

    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism

    Davethulhu (3a2442)

  64. My comment at 62 is for everyone who is interested in using the filter. It sounds like a headache to set up. But once it is done, you will find it handy.

    felipe (023cc9)

  65. Meanwhile, here’s a flashback to what strong, honest leadership looks like:

    Ted Cruz to DACA recipient: “Yes, I will deport you”

    ANONYMOUS WOMAN: As a DACA holder myself, I am worried about whoever comes next in the presidency and what’s gonna happen to people like us? I think of myself as a part of this community and, you know, first day in presidency you decide to deport, you know, people like myself — it’s just very difficult to process it.

    TED CRUZ: I would note, if you’re a DACA recipient it means that you were brought here illegally, and violating the laws has consequences. And one of the problems with our broken immigration system is that it is creating human tragedies and there are human tragedies when people break the law, but I can tell you what the law is in every country on earth.

    If I illegally emigrate to England or Germany or France or China or Mexico, and they catch me, they will deport me. That’s what every other country on Earth does, and there’s no reason that America’s laws should have less respect than the laws of every other country on Earth.

    We should welcome people who come following the laws, but there are consequences for breaking the laws, and that is part of what makes America the nation that we are.

    Dave (445e97)

  66. My apologies to our host for the headache I may have cost him in emails. The filter is best for individual use, rather than implementation by a site.

    felipe (023cc9)

  67. 63. Dave, RationalWiki is an argument-free site that should never, EVER be cited as authoritative, Cultural Marxism is literally baked into the AP style guide for journalists to parrot unthinkingly, this isn’t complicated or difficult to see:

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/904075130112020481

    65: What matters is not Ted Cruz saying ‘I WOULD DEPORT YOU!!!’ but Ted Cruz actually forcing Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnel and the entire Treason Lobby to do it. Trump DID bully them into submission and impotence on this and a host of other issues…just like he bullied Hillary! Ted talked a big game but can’t put together a voting or Congressional coalition absent a Trump-sized threat.

    That’s fine. Realizing where you stand is the first step to victory.

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  68. As it turns out Marcuse, godfather of the new left, was a student of martin heidegger, the Nazi who was big in deconstruction. ‘Repressive tolerance’ is virtue signaling and microagression, his colleague adorno created the f scale and the authoritarian personality, the latter was the filter through which goldwater. Nixon, Reagan wAs seen.

    narciso (d1f714)

  69. @67

    Congress did not create or sanction DACA, and no congressional action is necessary to end it.

    That it has not ended, despite Trump’s explicit promises that he would do so “immediately” if elected, is entirely Trump’s responsibility and nobody else’s. Your “Treason Lobby” is based in the White House…

    Dave (445e97)

  70. @67

    “It’s totally not a conspiracy theory.”

    *Links to a conspiracy theory twitter*

    Aww he even has a frog in his twitter name.

    Davethulhu (3a2442)

  71. Dysphoria Sam, I ecognize the words you wrote but have no clue what they mean when they’re all put together. It’s simple:
    1. There’s a law that says illegals get deported.
    2. Obama said, “I’ll defer action on childhood arrivals”. That is not a law and not a regulation, neither. It just meant that Obama would not enforce the law on certain illegals.
    3. All Trump has to say is, “I am now the President and I will not defer action. I will enforce the law on all illegals.”

    What’s so complicated?

    nk (dbc370)

  72. *recognize*

    nk (dbc370)

  73. 67. He also has sources and an argument, and probably passed the bar exam, unlike your idiotic, low-wattage self.

    71. Well, nk, there’s this gigantic web of money, favors, corporations, and connections that PROFITS VERY HIGHLY from commons-screwing actions like letting in and making friendly noises about cheap Third World labor, sometimes you call them the Treason Lobby, or the Slave Power, but ‘the Swamp’ will also suffice, and they will fight to the heat death of the universe over small legal changes that allow them to make big money reliably.

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  74. 3. All Trump has to say is, “I am now the President and I will not defer action. I will enforce the law on all illegals.”

    Unless, of course, he never had any intention of doing as he promised, and was merely making a race-based appeal to his less-educated supporters’ bigotry.

    Dave (445e97)

  75. Well, nk, there’s this gigantic web of money, favors, corporations, and connections that PROFITS VERY HIGHLY from commons-screwing actions like letting in and making friendly noises about cheap Third World labor, sometimes you call them the Treason Lobby, or the Slave Power,

    … or “Mar-a-Lago”

    Dave (445e97)

  76. Well, nk, there’s this gigantic web of money, favors, corporations, and connections that PROFITS VERY HIGHLY from commons-screwing actions like letting in and making friendly noises about cheap Third World labor, sometimes you call them the Treason Lobby, or the Slave Power, but ‘the Swamp’ will also suffice, and they will fight to the heat death of the universe over small legal changes that allow them to make big money reliably.

    — “Mr. President, be afraid, be very afraid!”

    — “Oh, I am, believe you me, I am. That’s why I’m throwing it in Congress’s lap.”

    Like that?

    nk (dbc370)

  77. 74: …or he’s not an everyday idiot, knows that there are still far too many compromised RINO representatives and senators who’ll sell out on a dime, and wants to bait them into running their mouths and campaigns on PROETECTING OUR LOVELY DREAMER CHILDREN until he or Sessions can kill it dead in public for everyone to see.

    For he is a dealmaker, and burning the bad-faith losers in the great bonfire of public opinion is part of the deal.

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  78. @73 He does have a pyramid, which I appreciate in any properly formed conspiracy theory. I also appreciate that he starts off complaining about the Jews.

    I’m repeating myself from an earlier post, but if you actually believed that your government was co-opted by shadowy (((GLOBALIST))) forces, would you limit yourself to posting on internet forums? If you want an explanation as to why, despite having control of all branches of government, you are not getting the results you were promised, here it is: You voted, top to bottom, for a bunch of liars and con men. The advantage of my explanation over your conspiracy theory is that it does not require a hidden cabal pulling strings, just a basic understanding of human nature. The disadvantage of my explanation is that it requires that you accept responsibility for your poor choices.

    Davethulhu (3a2442)

  79. Anyway. It looks like the ’73 Pinto is not going to make it through this stretch of the road.

    nk (dbc370)

  80. 78: I said that CULTURAL MARXISM WAS IN THE AP STYLE GUIDE, you read the word “Jew” and immediately segued into WELL YOU’RE JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORIST.

    You can barely read a single 140-character tweet without getting frantically triggered into half-baked monologuing on a scarecrow no one mentioned. Maybe you’re the one with the problem?

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  81. For he is a dealmaker, and burning the bad-faith losers in the great bonfire of public opinion is part of the deal.

    Ah, so you think he’s out to cripple his own party. Brilliant strategy! What could go wrong?

    Dave (445e97)

  82. 81. Yes, just like the Republican party was crippled by Eric Cantor losing to Dave Brat, thus causing the entire Gang of 8 bill to go DOA.

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  83. @80 The words “Cultural Marxism” appear nowhere in the tweet you linked, or in any of the associated tweets.

    The primary tweet is gibberish.

    The next two tweets are complaining about the Jews.

    The next few are complaining about the alt-right being conflated as racist. Despite whatever point this guy is trying to make, the alt-right had its origins in /pol/ on 4chan, easily one of the most profoundly racist locations on the internet.

    Then there’s some tedious comparison to the modern American antifa and the original anti-nazi-hitler-germany antifa, but there’s really no point in going on any more because this guy is a nut.

    Davethulhu (3a2442)

  84. If you want an explanation as to why, despite having control of all branches of government, you are not getting the results you were promised, here it is:

    I’ll offer an even simpler one: 52 senate seats is not “control of all branches of government,” and neither is a half-staffed, rudder-less executive branch led by an ignorant, lazy, mentally-unstable grifter.

    Dave (445e97)

  85. I’ll offer an even simpler one: 52 senate seats is not “control of all branches of government,”

    That’s where the “great deals” come in. If you have the winning hand, and cannot make deals with the democrats (a party Trump has very close, even intimate ties to, and has for many years), then maybe the deal-making thing was oversold a bit.

    Dustin (ba94b2)

  86. this isn’t just the “right” thing to do, it is the brilliant thing to do. Congress cannot get it done in 6 mo. If the RINOS were for DACA under Obambi, they had plenty of time with a Pres who would sign it in a heart beat to make it legal. No the RINOS are just for power and they think their current position “against Trump” gives it to them. Lets see them take the bait.

    SD Harms (84960b)

  87. The reason the DREAM Act didn’t pass under Obama was because John McCain and others insisted on tying it to border security and employment enforcement measures, and Reid/Obama wouldn’t make that compromise.

    Dave (445e97)

  88. That’s where the “great deals” come in. If you have the winning hand, and cannot make deals with the democrats (a party Trump has very close, even intimate ties to, and has for many years), then maybe the deal-making thing was oversold a bit.

    The Democrats are just ingrates. Trump donated so much money to them!

    Dave (445e97)

  89. ship em all to south St. Paul

    mg (31009b)

  90. congress will never get daca done. These a-wholes hate us, they will never help us only penalize us.
    This Congress is the biggest mistake in my lifetime. They all need to go over a cliff.

    mg (31009b)

  91. congress will never get daca done

    So you want them to pass a huge amnesty?

    Dave (445e97)

  92. No ratify trumps decusion, you just remove all doubt.

    narciso (d1f714)

  93. Every time Trump does something cowardly, incompetent, or just outright stupid, he’s just playing three-dimensional chess, according to Trumpkins.

    The truth is that when it comes to DACA, Obama had balls, big ones (you know what they say about black people), and Trump ain’t got none at all. Obama didn’t wait for Congress to give him a DREAM. He went and ordered DACA. Now, Trump can un-order DACA. But he punted it to Congress. No balls. It’s that simple.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. We will see if congress wants to cut their throat with the silver dagger, magic eightball saysmaybe.

    narciso (d1f714)

  95. Nk,

    do you want all illegals deported? Do you support giving illegal aliens that were minors when they entered the USA amnesty?

    Why or why not?

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  96. Yes. No.

    They’re illegal, and we should control our border not they. They’re illegal, and we should control our border, not their parents.

    nk (dbc370)

  97. Put, the 25th anniversary of Munich has come and gone, and abu mazens part in financing it, somehow escaped notice.

    narciso (d1f714)

  98. illegals are no good cause of they’re a knife held to the throat of america

    Jeff Flake holds a knife to the throat of America

    like John McCain, he is filthy, and he is holding a knife

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  99. And Trump could take the knife away but he doesn’t because he’s afraid he’ll ruin his nail polish.

    nk (dbc370)

  100. 84: You can’t read, your judgment is terrible, you aren’t debating in anything resembling good faith, and I’ll repost this link to support the point again because this guy is both a lawyer and a Jew and framing arguments for maximum profit is just everyday best practice in these industries:

    https://twitter.com/FrameGames/status/904075130112020481

    “MSM lost control over defining “fake news.” So they want to destroy the words but keep the idea in a form they control. Here’s the AP.”

    “They literally created a new term NOT REAL NEWS to mean the same thing as “Fake News” but where they can keep control of its definition.”

    “Now witness THE CONTORTIONS the Associated Press must endure to express the concept of Fake News without saying the words “fake news:”

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIwkalhW0AAm_sC.jpg

    Cultural Marxism is 100% enforced by managerial dictates and style ‘guidelines’ (actually directives) at the major newswires. This is not up for debate, and denying it is idiocy at best or mendacity at worst.

    Dysphoria Sam (dbb233)

  101. there’s no greater friend to the American citizen than President Trump that’s for sure

    if he were truly in league with petty treasonous cowards like the revolting John McCain and his soppy girlish friend Jeff Flake

    we would have seen the signs and the portents

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  102. Dang it, happyfeet, you just lost me a bet with myself. I had bet you would write:

    mr. Trump is a plum lolly

    not like pervy mitt romney and his poofter boy paul ryan

    nk (dbc370)

  103. Yes haslell, is like a guest star on game of thrones. Mittens keeps getting the wrong cue cards

    narciso (d1f714)

  104. i’m a lil off my game today

    there’s a foreboding chill in the air this morning

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  105. We’re getting all the cold weather so Houston can have the hot to dry out — 93 degrees today and high 80s all week.

    nk (dbc370)

  106. It is a little cooler outside for me, too.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  107. narciso, sometimes I wonder if it would be worthwhile to watch GoT just to understand the many comments referencing it that people make around me: Sometimes.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  108. Yes. No.

    They’re illegal, and we should control our border not they. They’re illegal, and we should control our border, not their parents.

    nk (dbc370) — 9/5/2017 @ 5:03 am

    Thank you for answering clearly. We’re in agreement.

    My tepid support for the 6 month provision is to allow us to see which leftists in Republican clothing are going to once again ignore the rule of law and the platform they ran on to support the leftist agenda.

    Makes it easy to determine who to primary.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  109. Most mild summer in NJ that I can remember. So many 70 degree days in August I was pleasantly surprised. Too rainy though.

    Likely going to be a miserable winter.

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  110. Makes it easy to determine who to primary.
    NJRob (7f4bec) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:18 am

    That is a heartening thought, NJRob. A record of those worthy of being primary’d can be found their votes.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  111. Nk, what the hells the damn difference between you and happy (or for that matter NJRob) on tbis issue, except he risks death by food poisoning if those supermercado clerks ever figure out who he is.

    But back to “ball-less”: http://www.yahoo.com/news/donald-trump-making-someone-else-032219167.html

    urbanleftbehind (c817df)

  112. after last year I’m looking forward to a fierce winter

    it could always be my last one, and Chicago’s so beautiful in the ice and snow

    and what of Christmas?

    the Macy’s windows last year were a thorough disappointment – i can’t remember even a one

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  113. nobody adores immigrants legal and otherwise more than me Mr. leftbehind

    and that’s why i recoil at the perversion of them by Barack Obama and a filthy white supremacist like Jeff Flake

    turning them into a weapon aimed at the middle class

    a weapon aimed at suffocating what few non-automated opportunities remain for young black kids in chicago, already so viciously raped by the fight-for-15 fanatics

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  114. i’m not giving HBO my monies Mr. felipe

    they’re not good people is why

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  115. happyfeet (28a91b) — 9/5/2017 @ 6:25 am

    HF, I only recently began reading your comment. I am curious; what was it about Macy’s windows that disappointed you?

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  116. Black kids stifle their own opps in Chicago with that awful trap house / drill music (violent rap) life style which even the structure of legacy gangs is of little effective ness along with the petty crime on tourist s and hipsters. Your kind of done in if you havent escaped to Bolingbrook or a collar county suburb

    urbanleftbehind (c817df)

  117. About HBO, I applaud you, HF.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  118. It was on a&e before OT became an unreality TV channel,

    narciso (d1f714)

  119. the year before i remember they were creative and fun

    a christmas tour of the solar system

    if i remember right

    last year lacked a compelling theme tying the windows together

    i shrugged and crossed the street

    magnolia bakery never disappoints

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  120. Im too lazy to cut cord and get this box for that streaming service etc…thats a millenial thing, which makes ESPN look really dumb for going on the SJW/flava jag (the cord keeping audience tracks largely to Fox News and heartland reality show demos).

    urbanleftbehind (c817df)

  121. That banana pudding at Magnolia is bomb, though.

    urbanleftbehind (c817df)

  122. A Christmas tour of the Solar system sounds fun. Was there a subtext of Faith and Reason, Reason vs Faith? It could have gone either way.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  123. Has Asimov written a story called “A solar system carol?”

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  124. Beats me, ulb.

    nk (dbc370)

  125. No he wrote the Christmas stR, about the civilization that was extinguished by the nova.

    narciso (d1f714)

  126. no not much in way of subtext

    but there were some christmas ants!

    and some of the planets were given an interpretation in accord with their mythologies

    and it managed to evoke a sense of playful wonder

    nicely done

    from googling it looks like Chicago 2015 got a regurgitated and somewhat scaled-down version of the Macy’s windows in NY the prior year (2014)

    here’s a youtube of the 2014 NY display

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  127. Thanks, HF, that video is fun.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  128. not sure where this came from

    but it’s cuter than pickles

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  129. So, this is a policy decision that was left to Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III and it involves depending on the Republican congressional majorities to do the decent thing in the face of the party’s fire-eyed, drooling base. I would certainly feel confident if I were one of the nearly million Americans who voluntarily handed over all my personal information to the Feds on the promise that it would not be used to send me back to a country where I don’t even speak the language. Sunday was one of those days, I guess, when we can all be thankful that the country was rescued last November from the neoliberal cabal led by Hillary Rodham Clinton.

    http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a57329/daca-texas-effects/

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  130. Does this make Gen. Kelly the last of the San Patricios?

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-asked-way-out-daca-pledge

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  131. I would certainly feel confident if I were one of the nearly million Americans who voluntarily handed over all my personal information to the Feds on the promise that it would not be used to send me back to a country where I don’t even speak the language.

    The one constant thing about pervy poofter boy lefties is that they lie.

    “Americans!” Pftui!

    nk (dbc370)

  132. No regard must have invoked the hated OBAMA! like a hunnert times..

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  133. Our Constitution gives primary authority over immigration to Congress, not the President. Obama had no business announcing and implementing this policy.

    Actually, it gives it to neither; it gives it to the states. Congress has authority over naturalization which is not the same as immigration. What word is used in the constitution?

    Whatever powers the federal government has is derivative of the power to regulate foreign and interstate commerce, and national defense. Nobody ever thought the federal government had any power to regulate immigration, once you got past entry, until the 1870s.

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  134. Urban:
    As nk says ‘No Balls!’

    Jefferson Beauregard has no qualms, does not equivocate even with his diminutive stature.

    We should have his statue at every border crossing or underground railroad station.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  135. I was surprised, taken aback that Trump shows signs of human empathy in his capitulation to the midget and fellow moral lions.

    But maybe it’s just an expression of Trumps beaten upness.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  136. Looks like Mr. Sessions has set off on a journey down the long road of repentance and rehabilitation.

    I wish him fortitude and a speedy journey, but this road has many forks and bends what test even the most determined penitent.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  137. I doubt Trump is taking this action because he respects the Constitution. At Hot Air, Allahpundit says Trump is just looking to pass the buck, and that’s probably right. Trump does almost nothing for the right reasons.

    Some states were threatening to sue, if Trum didn’t revote this by the day after Labor Day, although sommme were starting now to back off. . Attorney General Jeff Sessions said he would not defend DACA in court. Chief of Staff John Kelly said it was not necessary to do anything the first day.

    Trump seems to have pushed this off as much as he could.

    It’s not clear yet what the six months mean. Does that men that 2-year renewals will continue for the full six months, or that no permits will be issued but the old ones will stay in force for six months? Another question is will employers be required to fire people when the permits expire, or be in violation of law? And if they will be in violation of aw, will anything happen to then?

    New York State’s Attorney General and Governor are threatening to sue, although I’m not sure on what grounds. The administrative Procedures Act? Except this was not a regulation. Some kind of contractual agreement? The only thing that they could sue on maybe is that deportation, on other than national security grounds, or maybe as punishment for crime, is unconstitutional, unless it comes at the request of a state. That argument, I think, would be much more sound than you might believe.

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  138. One of Houston’s heroes is a DACA Dreamer:

    Nearly four days after Harvey’s record flooding slammed a rescue boat into an Interstate 45 frontage road bridge, family members of the final, missing volunteer pulled his body from Cypress Creek in Spring. Alonso Guillen, a 31-year-old disc jockey from Lufkin, disappeared on Wednesday around midnight along with two friends after their boat hit the bridge over the creek and capsized.
    ***
    Guillen’s father, Jesus Guillen, said he’d asked his son not to try and rescue people in the storm, but he insisted, saying he wanted to help people. He cried and prayed on Sunday afternoon as they pulled his son’s body from the water. “Thank you, God,” he said, “for the time I had with him.” The recovery of his body brings the number of people who have died or are feared dead from Harvey to nearly 60, and officials warn that more could be found.I

    Guillen, who was born in Piedras Negras, Mexico, and moved to Lufkin as a teenager, headed south with his friends toward Houston after Hurricane Harvey, towing a borrowed boat. They were near Interstate 45 and Beltway 8 and trying to reach an apartment complex when they hit the bridge, relatives said.

    Alonso Guillen was a recipient of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which temporarily lifted the threat of deportation for immigrants brought to the U.S. before they were 16, family members said.

    His father is now a legal resident. His mother lives in Mexico but hopes to get a temporary visa in order to attend the funeral.

    DRJ (15874d)

  139. It’s too bad that the Washington Post is not the Supreme Court and Ilya Somin the Chief Justice, Sammy. (That’s sarcasm.)

    So if California decided to allow the “immigration” of say 100 divisions of Chinese Army troops, the federal government would have nothing to say about it, except refuse to grant them citizenship?

    nk (dbc370)

  140. 131. Ben burn (b3d5ab) — 9/5/2017 @ 7:38 am

    So, this is a policy decision that was left to Jefferson Beauregard Sessions III and it involves depending on the Republican congressional majorities to do the decent thing in the face of the party’s fire-eyed, drooling base.

    And they will, with the help of Democrats, but what the Democrats probably want if for up to several hundred to be actually deported. Then the Republicans will be hot from both sides.

    To keep the issue live, Democrats will be proposing legislation that the recently deported Dreamers be brought back.

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  141. Sammy, if it is “today” that applications will not be accepted by – are these done by mail (e.g. yellow packet envelope in mailbox), by submittal in person as if one is pursuing a passport, or via an official appointment? The fact that I have to ask is exhibit one of Coconut-ness/ e.g why do give a spit, I suppose.

    Depending on the answer, could you see a “mad rush” at either post offices or INS offices materializing by late afternoon?

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  142. So if California decided to allow the “immigration” of say 100 divisions of Chinese Army troops, the federal government would have nothing to say about it, except refuse to grant them citizenship?

    They could stop them at the border, interfere with their transport to the United States and payment arrangements, detain them for carrying arms or plotting rebellion or sedition, and they might be in violation of a bunch of other laws.

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  143. 143. President Obama set a cutoff date, both for arrival in the United States and for applying for DACA, and there are no new applications for DACA being accepted. Obama gave all of them 2-year work permits that need to be extended, and they must apply for a 2-year renewal. Which they will get as long as their not convicted of something, and whatever other requiremets he created all by himself, are met.

    Those re-applications can’t be made too early. And also there’s the question if renewals are suspended as of the date of application or the date of processing.

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  144. wha?

    that “hero” rescued no people and actually forced people to risk themselves retrieving his body when there were still other people to rescue (live ones)

    this helps to illustrate how the Houston model of shelter in (an increasingly soggy) place and then haphazardly rescue people has a few kinks to work out still

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  145. “To keep the issue live, Democrats will be proposing legislation that the recently deported Dreamers be brought back.”

    Epic failure on consideration Sammy. But maybe the linchpin will be based on the holy relics known as E Os having a legal impact.

    EOs are Trumps hole card.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  146. The optics of that incident independent of the reason why the victims were out boating bring to mind the Jose Fernandez and the 3 Cleveland Indians (1993) incidents.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  147. I reiterate my solution, those brought here as children, I agree should not be punished for a decision in which they had no part, this country is essentially all they have known, provide a path to citizenship, with he following provisos: HS diploma or GED, pass comprehensive English and US history exams, no criminal activity, offer green card to those who came here with same provisons, and who were over 18 a time of entry but under , say, 25, temp work permit for all other illegal immigrants , using same criterria. two more things, none can sponsor chain migration to extended families, snd all who have been once deported face both a fine and jail time if caught illegally on US soil gain, then deportation again without appeal.

    neoCon_1 (63894c)

  148. nk (dbc370) — 9/4/2017 @ 4:38 pm

    All Congress has to do is do nothing except tell Trump: “The law is what it is. Enforce it!”

    Which it has no intention of doing, since close to 2/3 of the members of Congress probably want the “dreamers” legalized. But they are arguing about what goes or does not go, with it.

    There’s less of a majority or maybe not a majority for other amnesty categories. Obama picked a subgroup where there was great support for amnesty. Then he tried to extend it, but got sued, but note they didn’t sue over this, although the legal issues are exactly the same.

    t

    Sammy Finkelman (bd5b85)

  149. SessionsKellyMattis seem to have tamed the wet crepe-paper tiger.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  150. the Jose Fernandez and the 3 Cleveland Indians (1993) incidents

    link

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  151. In other words, the Confederates and their Irish co-belligerents up in the North won after all. (Keep in mind I am a conditional flag defender).

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  152. 152, thank you for link to support my contention.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  153. Burnie wants republicans to do the right thing and grant citizenship to more socialist, leftist indoctrinated voters.

    Cone on guys, vote against your interests so we can have a viva la revolucion and turn us into a sandista norte.

    NJRob (d582ae)

  154. To paraphrase David Duke: Does Trump know what got him elected?

    But like I have said many times before, I personally asked for nothing and expect nothing from him, so I am not disappointed. On the contrary, when he does something I like, I am pleased as punch.

    nk (dbc370)

  155. Judy too.

    nk (dbc370)

  156. i like Mr. President Trump cause he triggers the right people

    people what want for triggerin!

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  157. Sorry, you’re WRONG! ROB.

    (END OF DEBATE) Heh.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  158. facebook pimp-daddy reginald zuckertwat has a big puffy sad cause of his illegal dream-dream friends are all falled on the floor cause of President Trump pulled the rug out from under them

    i love it

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  159. more from Hillary’s book

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  160. My tepid support for the 6 month provision is to allow us to see which leftists in Republican clothing are going to once again ignore the rule of law and the platform they ran on to support the leftist agenda.

    I don’t support DACA but how would passing a law to make it … a law … be “ignor[ing] the rule of law”?

    Makes it easy to determine who to primary.

    And when Trump signs it?

    Dave (445e97)

  161. http://www.thedailybeast.com/the-trump-administration-now-has-tons-of-daca-data-and-is-poised-to-weaponize-it

    These voluntary personal disclosures are convenient tools of the State to be used as cudgels to the delight of Roman Circus fans.

    Ben burn (7e5fb8)

  162. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 12:06 pm

    I don’t support DACA but how would passing a law to make it … a law … be “ignor[ing] the rule of law”?

    Some people seem to talk as if the immmigration laws of the United States came down from Mount Sinai. They’re man-made, and have no inner logic to them in what they permit and what they forbid. Not at all a malum per se, but it’s all a malum prohibitum.

    Of course you could say giving someone an advantage that is attributable ultimately solely to somebody having violated the law in the past is a violation of the rule of law. But the United States is not England.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  163. Ilya Somin:

    If Trump’s objection to DACA is based on legal concerns, he could easily fix the problem by announcing that he supports congressional efforts to protect DACA recipients, thereby likely removing enough GOP opposition to enable Congress to pass a legislative DACA quickly. But if Trump both cancels executive DACA and continues to oppose legislation to protect dreamers, he cannot legitimately use legal arguments as a justification for his cruel policy.

    He didn’t do either: (and Ilya Somin should have guessed that)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/05/us/politics/trump-daca-dreamers-immigration.html?mcubz=0

    “I do not favor punishing children, most of whom are now adults, for the actions of their parents,” Mr. Trump said in a written statement. “But we must also recognize that we are nation of opportunity because we are a nation of laws.”

    Trump claimed he had to decide now whether DACA was legal or not.

    http://deadline.com/2017/09/donald-trump-daca-statement-punishing-children-1202161542/

    While new applications for work permits will not be accepted, all existing work permits will be honored until their date of expiration up to two full years from today. Furthermore, applications already in the pipeline will be processed, as will renewal applications for those facing near-term expiration. This is a gradual process, not a sudden phase out. Permits will not begin to expire for another six months, and will remain active for up to 24 months. Thus, in effect, I am not going to just cut DACA off, but rather provide a window of opportunity for Congress to finally act….

    But why is that legal?

    ight now he is for legalizing the people covered by DACA, but only part of a bigger law that restricts future immigration, which won’t pass, (he says he’s against an amnesty first approach)
    and he;s pretending that the interests of the Dreamers and unemployed, struggling, and forgotten Americans are at odds. Which only makes sense under the mump of labor theory. he’s also bad when it comes to trade.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  164. If not for Obama’s DACA, Alonso Guillen would still be alive.

    Ingot (e5bf64)

  165. Of course you could say giving someone an advantage that is attributable ultimately solely to somebody having violated the law in the past is a violation of the rule of law.

    By that logic, any change to the law is “a violation of the rule of law”.

    I mean, I think DACA is bad policy. And as executive action, there is a strong argument that it violates (at least) the spirit of the rule of law, if not the letter.

    If Congress passes a law with the same effect, it will still be bad policy, but it is self-evidently within Congress’s power, under the rule of law, to amend the immigration laws that Congress itself created.

    So I hope NJRob will clarify how such legislation would violate the rule of law, and whether he will go all-in #nevertrump, as promised, when it is signed into law…

    Dave (445e97)

  166. Greetings:

    France24 has been offering up a gordo Argentinian guy who came to America illegally when he was 10 and is now Long Marching through a Miami high school as a Chemistry teacher as its DACA Dreamer horror story.

    How many things do you find wrong with this vignette ???

    11B40 (6abb5c)

  167. SF: Of course you could say giving someone an advantage that is attributable ultimately solely to somebody having violated the law in the past is a violation of the rule of law.

    167. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:14 pm

    By that logic, any change to the law is “a violation of the rule of law”.

    No, this is not like changing the immigration laws so that somne people who previously were not eligible to immigrate were. This is changing it solely for those who previously broke the law. They qualify to stay in the United states becase they broke the law,and for no otehr reason.

    Never mind that they were 3, 5, 8, 13 or 16 years old when they did it.

    That’s what bothering some people.

    It’s like squatter’s rights.

    http://homeguides.sfgate.com/squatters-rights-land-8231.html

    Now the law is replete with things like that.

    But it bothers some people because there’s been a lot of propaganda on this issue since 1974.

    It can be justified, but only if:

    A) It applies also to people who will break the law in the future.

    Then at least you have some kind of a general principle.

    B) You claim it will never happen again.

    That was the approach taken in 1986.

    OR maybe

    C) It was necessary to accomplish something. Like maybe it’s part of a deal to make other changes in law.

    Trump’s going for this.

    It won’t happen.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  168. A missive from my Congressman dated Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 4:12 PM:

    This morning Attorney General Jeff Sessions, a man who once referred to civil rights groups as “un-American” and in the 1980s was deemed too racist to hold a federal judgeship, announced that the Trump administration will be ending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program in 6 months.

    To apply Mr. Sessions’ past words in a way that actually reflects our core values, ending DACA is what is un-American. It flies in the face of the principles this country was founded on.

    Stand with our neighbors for American values and join me in demanding Congress act now to protect DREAMers >>

    The people protected by DACA have been referred to as “DREAMers” and are people who were brought by their parents to America as children, before they were able to make an independent choice to immigrate. These folks are, as President Obama said when enacting DACA, American is every way–except for possessing papers.

    Deporting them back to countries they have no memory of and where they know nobody demonstrates the basic lack of human decency that has unfortunately become the trademark of the Trump administration.

    We know all too well the terrible consequences of national leaders engaging in naked demonization of others for political gain. We have a moral imperative to fight against the cruel treatment of immigrants and show the world that we are better than this. Congressional Republicans must stop blocking the way and take action protecting DACA and the DREAMers.

    Stand with me and my fellow Democrats and urge Congress to pass legislation protecting DREAMers >>

    Your support and involvement is what will help protect our democracy from these forces of prejudice. Thank you from the bottom of my heart for your investments, which helped us hit our critical end-of-month goal last week. Your continued support gives us the resources we need keep up the fight.

    In Solidarity,

    Jerry

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  169. It violates existing law and rewards criminal behavior.

    Criminal aliens are breaking the law every day they are here.

    Republicans who ran under a platform that included deporting criminal aliens and supporting the rule of law would be proving they are just leftists in Republican clothing like yourself.

    NJRob (d582ae)

  170. 168. 11B40 (6abb5c) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:17 pm

    rance24 has been offering up a gordo Argentinian guy who came to America illegally when he was 10 and is now Long Marching through a Miami high school as a Chemistry teacher as its DACA Dreamer horror story.

    How many things do you find wrong with this vignette ???

    Somebody 10 years old:

    1. Does have a memory of the country where he came from.

    2. Probably still speaks the langiage.

    They should have picked someone who came when he was 3 years old.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  171. On the other hand, it’s more typical.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  172. By that logic, any change to the law is “a violation of the rule of law”.

    I mean, I think DACA is bad policy. And as executive action, there is a strong argument that it violates (at least) the spirit of the rule of law, if not the letter.

    If Congress passes a law with the same effect, it will still be bad policy, but it is self-evidently within Congress’s power, under the rule of law, to amend the immigration laws that Congress itself created.

    So I hope NJRob will clarify how such legislation would violate the rule of law, and whether he will go all-in #nevertrump, as promised, when it is signed into law…

    Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:14 pm

    It violates existing law and rewards criminal behavior.

    Criminal aliens are breaking the law every day they are here.

    Republicans who ran under a platform that included deporting criminal aliens and supporting the rule of law would be proving they are just leftists in Republican clothing like yourself.
    .
    .
    Forgot to past the quote.

    NJRob (d582ae)

  173. 171. NJRob (d582ae) — 9/5/2017 @ 1:33 pm

    It violates existing law and rewards criminal behavior.

    That’s the problem. Too many republicans are stuck on stupid.

    Criminal aliens are breaking the law every day they are here.

    By “criminal aliens” Do you mean aliens who are criminals in other respects, or all unauthorized immigrants? Or do you actually think most of them are ordinary criminals?

    By the way:

    Deporting aliens who are criminals in other respects, although everybody seems to be willing to sign on to that, violates the principle of equal justice under law, AND is often applied to people who are thoroughly rehabilitated or who committed only immigration-related crimes. They’re just not enough really criminal aliens to go around. And most of them were brought to the United States as children. We created MS-13 by deporting criminal aliens.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  174. 166, not so sure on that pithy. He wasnt a lower Central American that marched up here post- Obama’s DACA announcement, and the remaining key variable is the manner and speed in which a mass-ier (approaching mass) deportation would be occurring post January 20th, thus he likelier would have lingered in east Texas and still let altruism (or perhaps a search for a gracious wedding prospect) guide him onto that boat.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  175. Mr. Donald is our TeeVee President!

    No fear: he’ll find a solution to North Korea in an episode of M.A.S.H., too.

    “Don’t try to understand ’em; Just rope, and throw, and brand ’em; Soon we’ll be living high and wide. Move ’em on, head ’em up; Head ’em up, move ’em on; Move ’em on, head ’em up; Cut ’em out, ride ’em in, Ride ’em in, let ’em out, Cut ’em out, ride ’em in… Rawhide!” – Frankie Laine, ‘Rawhide’ CBS TV 1959-1966

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  176. It violates existing law and rewards criminal behavior.

    I see. So in your view, any time Congress changes the law such that something illegal is no longer illegal, it is a violation of the rule of law? I guess you’re not a big fan of deregulation then.

    Criminal aliens are breaking the law every day they are here.

    That is a bit of an overstatement. Undocumented entry (or re-entry) is a criminal offense. By definition, DACA’s were underage children when their parents committed that offense, and are not culpable themselves.

    Remaining in the country without documentation is a civil infraction, not a criminal offense.

    Anyone without ACA-mandated health insurance is also breaking the law. By the same logic, is it your position that Congress cannot/should not “violate existing law” by changing/repealing the ACA?

    Republicans who ran under a platform that included deporting criminal aliens and supporting the rule of law would be proving they are just leftists in Republican clothing like yourself.

    And would President Trump also be proving he is just a leftist in Republican clothing if he signs the amnesty bill he just called on Congress to pass?

    Dave (445e97)

  177. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:03 pm blockquote> Anyone without ACA-mandated health insurance is also breaking the law. As originally passed, but Chief Justice John Roberts said no, it’s a tax, not a penalty, and people not buying insurance are not breaking any law, and people are free to pay the tax instead.

    However,

    1. People selling marijuana may be violating federal law.

    2. People binging in prescription medicines from Canada or Mexico are breaking the law.

    3. People registering their cars in other stastes are breaking the law.

    4. People registering their children in school districts wehere they d not actually live are breaking the law.

    And I don’t see any great cry for enforcement.

    Also.

    5. People violate tax law all the time.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  178. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:03 pm

    And would President Trump also be proving he is just a leftist in Republican clothing if he signs the amnesty bill he just called on Congress to pass?

    He called on Congress to pass it as part of abigger bill., but not a stand-alone measure.

    Now what’s going to happen is that the Democrats will go even further in treating the Republican Party as “the evil party.”

    Not the “Stupid party.”

    The “evil party.”

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  179. @179

    OK, pick whatever example you prefer.

    In 1995, Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed law, which (by NJRob’s definitions) also “violated existing law” and had the effect of rewarding behavior that had previously been criminal. In a few cases, people might have even gotten relief from speeding tickets received on roads where the speed limit was subsequently increased. Yet nobody claimed it was some nefarious assault on the rule of law.

    Dave (445e97)

  180. Obama’s full sattement:

    https://www.facebook.com/barackobama/posts/10155227588436749

    He says the action taken today isn’t required legally. That is, trump could get away with doing nothing. he says to to target these young people is both wrong and self-defeating. He joins with those who say Congress should act and ultimately, this is about basic decency.

    Now Obama actually blocked a bill back when he was in the Senate in 2007 on grounds he didn’t like locking eople in jobs, I think. Of course that would have had an earlier cut-off date

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  181. 179. Dave (445e97) — 9/5/2017 @ 2:30 pm

    In 1995, Congress repealed the National Maximum Speed law, which (by NJRob’s definitions) also “violated existing law” and had the effect of rewarding behavior that had previously been criminal. In a few cases, people might have even gotten relief from speeding tickets received on roads where the speed limit was subsequently increased. Yet nobody claimed it was some nefarious assault on the rule of law.

    Not comparable.

    Comparable would be if all people who got tickets before acertain date were exempted from paying fines but people who sped in the future were not. Or better yet, only people who had not paid tickets.

    Similarly, people would be allowed to keep the prescription medicine they brought from Canada even though new medicine could still not be imported. Actually, that’s kind of the law now, but it’s always been that way.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  182. One thing Obama doesn’t say:

    He doesn’t say it’s racist.

    He says, or implies, it violates basic decency, but he does not say it is racist.

    How many other Democrats can avoid that word?

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  183. I can’t avoid ‘Bigot’ in many instances sammy.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  184. Trump’s tweets on this subject today:

    Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump · 10 hours ago

    Congress, get ready to do your job – DACA!

    —————————————————–

    Make no mistake, we are going to put the interest of AMERICAN CITIZENS FIRST!

    The forgotten men & women will no longer be forgotten.

    5:10 AM – 5 Sep 2017

    [a response to someone who had tweeted: We are a nation of laws. No longer will we incentivize illegal immigration.

    LAW AND ORDER! #MAGA]

    ——————————–

    Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump ·1 hour ago

    I look forward to working w/ D’s + R’s in Congress to address immigration reform in a way that puts hardworking citizens of our country 1st.

    Won’t happen.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  185. 186. It’s not bigotry, or at least any traditional kind. It’s geographicalism and a logic trap.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  186. How about this deal? For every Dreamer we keep, we send a tranny to Mexico to join the Mexican army?

    nk (9651fb)

  187. Just send the bigots to Mexico. Imagine the fertile fields…

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  188. Most parents who brought their minor children illegally into the United States calculated that the benefits — to themselves, and to their children — were worth undertaking what they perceived to be the risks of so doing. Those risks included being injured or killed in the illegal border crossing and transportation inland (as, alas, has happened all too recently and all too tragically), the financial exploitation of the “coyotes” who engage in such illegal trafficking, and, last but certainly least among these risks, the risk of being promptly deported in accordance with American law.

    Conspicuously absent from the current discussion is any attempt to fix responsibility upon these parents for this decision. I understand and can empathize with their motivations; had I been in their shoes I might have made the same decision, especially if my family and I were seeking more than just economic opportunity, but escape from dangerous conditions worse than mere poverty or lack of opportunity. Nevertheless, the primary responsibility for the plight of these “Dreamers” lies upon their parents. It’s understandable that the Dreamers themselves, and those sympathetic to their plight, aren’t much inclined to recognize that, but it’s essential for any assessment of how we — the Dreamers, the parents, the POTUS and Congress, previous Congresses and POTUSes, and the American public as a whole throughout — are now in. Individual circumstances may mitigate the blameworthiness of those parents’ decisions, but they don’t change the underlying, fundamental assignment of responsibility, with or without blame.

    Secondarily responsibility — and in my view, vastly more blameworthy responsibility — must be placed upon the American politicians, including almost every Democrat and no small number of Republicans, in both Congress and the White House, who’ve tacitly or even overtly encouraged illegal immigration precisely to create the difficult circumstances the Dreamers now face. Every year this can got kicked down the road, going back decades, has created new potential victims of the unfairness in being made accountable now for the decisions of those parents. This was exactly the Dems’ cynical intent, of course — not because Democrats are more sympathetic to the Dreamers’ plight than others, but because the Democrats see political gain to be made by vastly increasing the number of illegals in the United States, who will give birth to voters, who may become legal voters themselves someday, and who may now vote illegally (through confusion or otherwise), all of whom the Dems believe are their natural constituents.

    The Dreamers themselves have no legal expectation of anything but deportation, notwithstanding Obama’s blatantly unconstitutional executive orders. They have a moral expectation that their comparative blamelessness will be acknowledged, but that’s not the same as a moral expectation that they’re entitled to have new laws passed for their benefit.

    If Congress does do something to mitigate their unpleasant prospects of being deported back to countries of which they have no memory and to which they no longer have ties, that will be an act, instead, of legislative grace, something conferred upon them which is beyond a legal or moral expectation. Christian dogma teaches that we’re all the beneficiaries of divine grace, regardless of our entitlement thereto — for if we all got our just deserts, as Hamlet said, none of us would escape whipping. But legislative grace which might otherwise be conferred by a generous Congress and signed into law by a sympathetic POTUS is going to be hard to find while so many of the Dreamers, and essentially all of their Democratic sympathizers, are busy accusing Republicans in Congress or the POTUS of being evil racists. For the Dreamers’ own good, they need to stop making baseless charges of racism, and to instead recognize that the primary responsibility for the Dreamers’ plight is indeed on their parents.

    Beldar (fa637a)

  189. I would not be so “heartless”, if there had not already been seven amnesties within the past thirty years. Whose border is it, anyway?

    nk (9651fb)

  190. If we are going to be passing out green cards to people otherwise ineligible for them, let’s give them to students and trainees who have completed their education and are now required to return to their home countries under the terms of their visas. That would be a sensible immigration amnesty.

    nk (9651fb)

  191. “Transgender mils sue the homophobe.”

    Here benburned provides evidence of the usual leftwing attempts to weaken the military and the security of the US of America.

    Colonel Haiku (28a3f0)

  192. Trump is the security threat Goldilocks.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  193. When all is said and done I expect the Dreamers will get full-blown amnesty and permanent residency on a special path to citizenship and the border security and enforcement advocates will get nothing or next to nothing.

    A better solution for these foreign nationals who continue to be illegally present after arriving illegally as minors should be to allow them to stay on NON-immigrant visas as lawful guest workers or temporary residents until they go through the existing lawful immigration process. There are any number of categories they could fit into without legislative amnesty, chain migration, federal benefits and citizenship/voting rights.

    crazy (11d38b)

  194. I find it to be the usual hypocrisy that the Left can change a policy, and within six months everyone who still believed what the Left accepted six months before is a bigot.

    What I can’t figure out is how such people can feed themselves unassisted.

    SPQR (a3a747)

  195. A better solution for these foreign nationals who continue to be illegally present after arriving illegally as minors should be to allow them to stay on NON-immigrant visas as lawful guest workers or temporary residents until they go through the existing lawful immigration process.

    I’d go even further. It should be a fundamental principle that nobody whose present status is other than “arrived legally, remains legally” will EVER have a path to citizenship. Honorable service in the military could remove this barrier, but otherwise no exceptions except (maybe) in bona-fide (and very rare) cases involving political asylum.

    To the extent concessions to allow DACA (or other undocumented) persons to remain in the country are politically expedient, it should be on the basis that any future application for citizenship voids their special status and legal re-entry under normal immigration procedures is required.

    Dave (445e97)

  196. I have a problem with a permanent immigrant class. I don’t like de jure underclasses, they seem un-American somehow. If a person cannot become a citizen, he should not be a permanent resident, either. Like the various guest worker/visitor classes of visas we have, they should be required to leave when there’s nothing more here for them to do.

    nk (9651fb)

  197. I have a problem with a permanent immigrant class. I don’t like de jure underclasses, they seem un-American somehow. If a person cannot become a citizen, he should not be a permanent resident, either.

    There is no underclass. Everybody who lives within the rules has a path to citizenship.

    What we are talking about here is a special dispensation from normal enforcement of the law for certain people – an indulgence that overlooks some problem in their past history. A privilege.

    If they aspire to citizenship, they can decline the privileged status, leave the country, and re-enter by some legal mechanism.

    I think the deterrent effect is important (basically: if you want citizenship, follow the rules; if you already broke the rules, go to the back of the line and start over).

    Dave (445e97)

  198. the pilgrims ate many hearty vegetable dishes

    and they all spoke english

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  199. Does Congress have the power to pardon those who have committed crimes against the nation and her citizens?

    NJRob (7f4bec)

  200. 200, I say do nothing for the Dreamers and speed up the legal queue…how much of the 10 year wait is a result of INS being a 9 to 5 M-F DMV with slightly more interesting people

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  201. @ NJRob, who asked (#203): “Does Congress have the power to pardon those who have committed crimes against the nation and her citizens?”

    That’s actually an interesting question. As I was taught in law school when I was learning proper citation form for original source materials, acts of Congress are sorted in the first instance into “Public Laws” that apply to everyone, and “Private Laws” that apply to specific individuals and that receive much, much less public attention. Usually the “private laws” are for very specific and limited purposes, to address particular inequities that would be created by application of the “public laws,” and typically they are the result of one, or a few, congress-critters specifically going to bat for a constituent or ally, with other congress-critters deferring and going along out of a general sense of “small potatoes” and “go along to get along” and general comity. Some of those private laws thus have similar effect to pardons, but they’re typically remedying civil law rather than criminal law inequities.

    Article I, section 9 of the Constitution provides that “No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.” Thus Congress cannot criminalize, after the fact, conduct that was legal before any particular bill was passed.

    But the obverse doesn’t apply, and I don’t know of any constitutional or other prohibition that would prevent Congress from passing legislation equivalent to a blanket presidential pardon (see, e.g., Carter’s pardon of Vietnam era draft dodgers in 1977). So I think the answer to your question is: “No, the pardon power is exclusive to the Executive, but Congress could do something which had the same practical effect so long as it diminished or eliminated criminal jeopardy after the fact.”

    Beldar (fa637a)

  202. Unlike Beldar, IANAL, but a couple observations:

    Normally, an act of Congress only gains the force of law by assent of the President. Thus, if we exclude the possibility of an overridden veto, any law passed by Congress that purported to pardon someone for violating the law would perforce have the concurrence of the President, whose power to pardon is unquestioned.

    Second, as Beldar notes, there are lots of examples. Robert E. Lee’s citizenship rights were restored by a joint congressional amnesty resolution signed by President Ford in 1975, and having effect retroactively to June 13, 1865 (the date Lee wrote to President Johnson requesting amnesty).

    (Appropriately, the campaign to grant General Lee amnesty was led by an Exalted Cyclops of the Ku Klux Klan, Democratic Senator Robert Byrd…)

    Dave (445e97)

  203. Also, this 1885 Supreme Court Decision is held to affirm the power of Congress to enact amnesty laws that remit penalties under federal statutes, under the “necessary and proper” clause, and that such exercise of authority is “no invasion of the power of pardon granted by the Constitution to the President”.

    Dave (445e97)

  204. Trump’s “cancellation” lasted less than 24 hours…

    Tuesday night, he tweeted that he would “revisit” the issue if Congress doesn’t “legalize DACA” within six months.

    What a decisive and courageous leader!

    Dave (445e97)

  205. Matt Walsh:

    “Trump’s supporters are celebrating Trump ending DACA while Trump tweets that he wants it codified into law.”

    Dave (445e97)

  206. Yes the next amendment is going to be no elected president shall be 70 or older at time of election. We actually may be dealing with cognitive issues, only now tne Sessions-Miller-Kobach wing might be the ones pushing the 25th as they get left to twist.

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  207. Bizarre. Even if it’s only one of those Trump statements that we “should take seriously but not literally”, why make it?

    nk (9651fb)

  208. Maybe his account is being hacked. Its entirely plausible, actors could be from either side.

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  209. He has to be clearer, because like more yorkie puppies, congress must be handled with a firm hand.

    narciso (d1f714)

  210. It all sucks to begin with. Why should he want Congress to enact DACA/DREAM 2017? He should be threatening to veto it. And deporting Dreamers left and right.

    What was he running on? What was he elected on? Giving Gen X and Millennials more disposable income to spend on sex changes and avocado toast?

    nk (9651fb)

  211. Bizarre. Even if it’s only one of those Trump statements that we “should take seriously but not literally”, why make it?

    17.4-dimensional chess.

    Has to be.

    But just in case, I think somebody should probably remove any sharp objects from Ann Coulter’s immediate vicinity…

    Dave (445e97)

  212. Does the GOP congress realize who voted for them, that isnr clear.

    narciso (d1f714)

  213. Did you notice the comments on Coulter’s tweets? Only one guy gets it. The rest don’t even seem to know what DACA is.

    nk (9651fb)

  214. Yes in Twitter, doubt is removed rather quickly.

    narciso (d1f714)

  215. Ok, I give up. I’m going out for a tofu pate on avocado toast and a Rose Grapefruit Perrier, right now. What Kanye West album do you guys recommend?

    nk (9651fb)

  216. But unless the DNC reverses its current orthodoxies and openly coutenances the running of “anti immigrantes” in the mold of Dan Lipinski, how strong is that threat? You may indeed primary waywards ne t spring, but a lot of those seats wont stomach a hard conservative. That strategy would be valid for 2020, as tose accidental Dems screw up and a contrite Trump or someone else rides the hard-R bounceback wave.

    Multidomensional chess might be right; Trump might have gotten tge Dreamer crowd into the same “Pence might be worse” quandary as the LGBTQs.

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  217. I only like the KW single “Homecoming”, otherwise that dude just makes me wish I went into law enforcement.

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  218. ulb, there is no doubt that until recently social liberals were comfortable with Trump. We have a couple here. DCSCA for one, at least until the election; and happyfeet who understands that you cannot have decadence and hedonism unless you have a wealthy society with a lot of disposable income and leisure across all classes.

    nk (9651fb)

  219. I propose this:

    Look at every Trump maneuver on the domestic front as an effort to make it obvious that the GOP Leadership cannot do their job.

    If you do that, the progression of Trump’s comments make sense. The President has given the Congressional Leadership a job to do in an area that divides the party, and has subtly taken away the deal making tools they need to do the job. And he has set the deadline that makes this a big news item right before the primaries.

    Appalled (d07ae6)

  220. I usually reserve a six letter perjorative starting with f for this guy, but I find this an insightful read http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/09/trumps-impending-immigration-sell-out/538896/?utm_source=twb

    urbanleftbehind (3c62b6)

  221. UPDATE: What a sucker I was to believe he meant it when he said he was abolishing DACA:

    Patterico (115b1f)

  222. that’s in perfect consonance with Mr. Senator Cotton’s plan so I’m happy with that

    President Trump’s determined to do good constitution all up in it, and that just makes me love him even more.

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  223. Date night:

    Teen: Dad, can I borrow the car?

    Dad: No.

    Teen Please, reconsider? I really need the car.

    Dad: OK, I’ll revisit the issue.

    Teen Can I have the car now?

    Dad: NO.

    felipe (b5e0f4)

  224. Republican Sen. John McCain denounced President Donald Trump’s decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program shortly after Attorney General Jeff Sessions announced it.

    McCain, R-Ariz., called Trump’s decision “the wrong approach” to immigration policy.

    “I strongly believe that children who were illegally brought into this country through no fault of their own should not be forced to return to a country they do not know,” McCain said in a statement. “The 800,000 innocent young people granted deferred action under DACA over the last several years are pursuing degrees, starting careers and contributing to our communities in important ways.”

    war heroes love doing illegal immigrants all up in it would be the takeaway here

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  225. what’s with all this zany gun violence at the Ronald Reagan building

    happyfeet (28a91b)

  226. Hey, the Cartels are job creators too.

    Human trafficking? Natch!

    Kidnap for ransom. Many opportunities for Christians to feel good about ceiling Brown people.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  227. I forgot the underground organ market..’git yer kidney here’

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  228. What a sucker I was to believe he meant it when he said he was abolishing DACA

    You’re kinda soft on this Trump guy, but we love ya anyway…

    Dave (445e97)

  229. Today on Air Force One:

    President Trump told reporters on Air Force One moments ago that he believes Congress will “take care” of DACA and that there are no mixed signals coming from his White House […]

    “No mixed signals at all,” Trump said.

    “Congress I really believe wants to take care of the situation. Even very conservative members of congress, I’ve seen it first hand. If they don’t, we’re going to see what we’re going to do. But I can tell you I really believe Congress wants to take care of it. We discussed that also today. And chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I. I said, if we can get something to happen, we’re going to sign it and make a lot of happy people.”

    Allahpundit asks the obvious question: If DACA is “an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch,” as Jeff Sessions said yesterday, how can Trump “revisit” it in six months if congress refuses to enshrine it in law? For that matter, how can he let it continue for six more months?

    But hey, no mixed signals at all!

    Dave (445e97)

  230. Ann Coulter suicide-watch, Day Two:

    Possible 2020 slogan: “I broke my promises, betrayed my friends & used my office to help my family, but, hey — at least I’m not Hillary!”

    Scary. She’s starting to sound an awful lot like … Patterico.

    Dave (445e97)

  231. I hate it when I agree with Ann Coulter. She’s a nasty woman and it makes me question my own thinking. But this is worse than 41’s “no new taxes”.

    nk (9651fb)

  232. He might not need you anyway (there’s a whole morally decrepit party apparatus in search of a sugar daddy), though this is portending a move to the DISCO version of Trump.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/09/06/trump-strikes-deal-with-dems-on-harvey-aid-and-debt-limit-over-ryan-s-objections.html

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  233. @236

    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.
    And Chuck and Nancy would like to see something happen and so do I.

    Let that sink in.

    He’s really a much better fit with “Chuck and Nancy.” He’s never given a cent to Mitch or Paul…

    Dave (445e97)

  234. Chuck and Nancy would have made a great MAD magazine parody of Sid N Nancy whereby Schumer and Pelosi would have had an epic drug binge and Nan’s botox would either start leaking out or exploding while Schumer OD’ed on kosher fare.

    urbanleftbehind (5eecdb)

  235. So much winning:

    The deal President Trump cut with Democratic leaders today is one of the most fascinating – and mysterious – moves he’s made with Congress since taking office.

    Three Republican officials — one close to the White House, two close to Congressional leaders — say they were stunned by the president’s abrupt decision to align with Democrats on the three-month deal. They had no heads up or warning this would happen today, the officials said.

    “The president was in deal-cutting mode,” a Republican familiar with the meeting said. “He was sick of this fight.” Another senior GOP official viewed Trump as in “apprentice mode.”

    Leader McConnell and Speaker Ryan were “blindsided by this,” a Republican official said, a point made clear by Ryan’s own words a few hours earlier, deriding the plan as “ridiculous.”

    Q: “Were you surprised Trump sided with Dems?”
    McConnell: “The president can speak for himself.”

    Dave (445e97)

  236. Not surprised, but thought it would take a little more time to happen…

    crazy (11d38b)

  237. Dave (445e97) — 9/6/2017 @ 11:20 am

    Allahpundit asks the obvious question: If DACA is “an unconstitutional exercise of authority by the Executive Branch,” as Jeff Sessions said yesterday, how can Trump “revisit” it in six months if congress refuses to enshrine it in law? For that matter, how can he let it continue for six more months?

    While the suoreme Court sometimes delays the effective date of a ruling, or does not make it retroactive, it is a little peculiar for a president to do that. Of couyrse opractical, but if he can’t do something because it isn’t legal, how can he do it for a limited period of time? And if he can do why is there a time limit?

    Now the thing is like this: Approximately 2/3 of the members of Congress want to enact DACA, or something approximating it, into law.

    But that overwhelming majority consists of about 40% of the Republicans and virtually ALL of the Democrats.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  238. But hey, no mixed signals at all!

    There;’s nithing but mixed signals oin this issue. Trump seems to want to tie restrcting immigration into this – and at the same maybe he doesn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  239. Senator Schumer said that if a clean bill legalizing DACA was not brought to the floor they wouild attempt to attach it to every bill. Trump didn’t want the debt ceiling to get tied uo in controversy. And he maybe recognizes who he needs to make a deal with for anything to happen in Congress.

    It’s three months, which means it is before March 6, when renewal of DACA will be more critical.

    Sammy Finkelman (02a146)

  240. Ann Coulter should eat a few Rush Limberger meals. Limbog should enroll in Deal A Meal.

    Ben burn (b3d5ab)

  241. No shock here. DJT is as feckless as it gets. Would that he would ter out the ACA if Congress did not act in 6 months (they did not). Where’s the urgency there, Donald? You know all those pieces of the Act which say, “The Secretary shall determine”? Well, where are the new determinations which would vitiate much of the ACA?

    At a minimum, where is the bully pulpit, “revisit” of the ACA? Let us all know, through your virtue signalling, what you really mean! Tweet away!

    Ed from SFV (3400a5)

  242. Trump tells Dreamers not to worry because he will not enforce the law for 6 months.

    Trump may turn out to be better for the Democrats than Hillary. They get all their policies and can still run against The Donald’s rhetoric in the midterm elections.

    DRJ (15874d)


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