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9/13/2015

Labour Goes Hard Left

Filed under: General — JVW @ 12:00 am



[guest post by JVW]

In an outcome that was nearly unthinkable just eight weeks ago, Jeremy Corbyn, Member of Parliament from Islington North, has become the head of Britain’s Labour Party and the Leader of Her Majesty’s Most Loyal Opposition. Mr. Corbyn’s agenda includes ending austerity such as it is in Britain, fighting attempts to reform welfare (as Mark Steyn likes to remind us, about one in ten adult Britons has not done a day of work since Tony Blair took office eighteen years ago, and one in five children are being raised in a home where no adult is employed), apologizing for Labour’s (i.e., Blair’s) support of the Iraq War, pushing Britain to admit more refugees from the war-torn Middle East (on the grounds that the war is Britain’s fault), and delegitimizing Israel and forcing it to accede to the demands of a fanatical group that wants to destroy the Jewish state. He would possibly support removing Britain from the EU (yay!), but would definitely support her leaving NATO (boo!). Whereas Bernie Sanders is trying to get America to at least wade into the shallow end of socialism, Corbyn would no doubt feel right at home at a Code Pink rally or a faculty meeting of the Sociology Department at Columbia or Brown. For a right wing appraisal of Corbyn, check out Andrew Stuttaford’s sketch in National Review, and to see a more flattering appraisal from the left head over to D.D. Guttenplan’s article at The Nation.

First up for Corbyn will be to build his shadow cabinet, as the more moderate holdovers from Ed Miliband’s leadership appear to be resigning en masse. Once that is done, it will be quite interesting to see if Corbyn can unite and revive the British left, or if he just oversees its fracturing into regional parties and a mass exodus of members to the Liberal Party. Can the falcon hear the falconer?

– JVW

84 Responses to “Labour Goes Hard Left”

  1. Dong. Dong. Dong.
    Dong. Dong. Dong.
    Dong. Dong. Dong.
    Dong. Dong. Dong.

    [midnight]

    JVW (ba78f9)

  2. the number one baby name in the uk is mohammed

    so there’s hope yet!

    especially if you’re all up in Kate Middleton’s pants

    there’s gold in them there malnourished hillocks

    ok why do we care about england again?

    does it involve Russell Brand?

    i swear to the queen’s grimy hootenanny I’m not getting all the memos

    to be honest I’m a whole effing season behind on downton

    happyfeet (831175)

  3. a fanatical group that wants to destroy the Jewish state

    merica!

    happyfeet (831175)

  4. the UK is going to be hard pressed to find another Maggie Thatcher to pull them out o the mess this idiot will put them in…

    kinda like the US in 2016.

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  5. Bloody Left.

    sickofrinos (31009b)

  6. Attempting to beat America’s GOP to extinction.

    DNF (7c0dd2)

  7. The UK has the uncanny ability to show us where we’ll be in about 15-20 years.

    What mental disease is inherit in Western Civilization that attracts it to the most destructive form of economics, socialism, and the most destructive method of population growth, immigration?

    Once again Trump is correct. We should charge these countries for their defense or make them defend themselves. Then we’ll see if they can afford 3 months vacation, free health care and the rest of their cradle to grave nonsense when they have to pay 100 billion a year in defense that we currently provide.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  8. Salman Rushdie misses the point as he did with the iron lady.

    narciso (ee1f88)

  9. So, I guess the question is; is this the beginnings of a Leftist revival in Britain, or are we seeing what happens when all the sane people abandon a party and it lurches off into irrelevancy?

    C. S. P. Schofield (ab2cdc)

  10. ..or are we seeing what happens when all the sane people abandon a party and it lurches off into irrelevancy?

    We’ve already seen that here with the communist, I mean democrat party and the socialist, excuse again I mean Republican party. This clown Corbyn is a dyed in the wool communist and always has been. The attempts by the media to soften his hard line communist beliefs by renaming him a socialist is a disingenuous lie. But then the hard left press is a cabal of liars all covering each other a$$es.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  11. “A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear. The traitor is the plague.”

    CICERO

    sound awake (beb21b)

  12. Besides, the press is used to covering for hard line communists they’ve been doing it for Obama his entire career. When guy makes statements like “you didn’t build that” and “we want to spread the wealth round” he’s not a “liberal” as the press would have as believe, he’s a commie just admit it and be done already.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  13. Hey sound awake, do you think Cicero meant guys who encourage us to take in those poor “refugees” from the ME, 75-80% of which just happen to be 17-35 year old MEN the perfect terrorist age and 100% who happen to be moslems when it’s the ME Christians who are being persecuted? Or are they the folks who want a fast track to citizenship for about 20 million Mexicans? What’s the rush? Why Mexicans why not Swedes or Irish? Ya think maybe because the Mexicans won’t “assimilate” and therefore will be easy for the leftist democrats to manipulate?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  14. Great use of that poem, JVW.

    DRJ (521990)

  15. I’m afraid I don’t understand: I thought our wicked white people countries were just terrible, terrible places for People of Colour? So, why do they keep coming?

    As for Mr Corbyn, well at least he’s telling the truth about himself. And millions of Brits will vote for him, because there are millions of stupid people who somehow think that they can vote themselves Other People’s Money rather than work for it themselves. It does work, at least for a little while, until you become Greece.

    The Anglophile Dana (1b79fa)

  16. The UK has the uncanny ability to show us where we’ll be in about 15-20 years.

    Actually, for demographic and socio-cultural reasons, I think Mexico is a better glimpse into our future. IOW, Euro-sclerotic Europe, including the UK, has a tendency of being not much less foolishly liberal than a Central or South American society — or a typical entrenched-true-blue urban American area — but the extra baggage of Third-World idiosyncrasies (perhaps a bit worse than the quirks of Islamo-ization) will add another dimension to the US as we enter the latter half of the 21st century.

    Buckle up, folks, we’re in for a long, bumpy ride.

    Mark (dc566c)

  17. I was at a small dinner party in England Friday night and the consensus was that Labour has lost its mind. Of course the dinner guests were attending a class car show during the day soma not be representative of the Midlands oh polloi beloved by Theodore Dalrymple but it might push Cameron right to keep UKIP from swamping the Tories.

    Spent the day at Ypres today and there are thousands of British who visit the war dead memorials and cemeteries all the time. My guess is that most do not vote Labour and may do so less endless as Corbyn talks about giving the Falklands away.

    Mike K (d45bd4)

  18. a classic car show during the day and may not be representative of the Midlands hoi polloi

    Damn autocorrect !

    may do so less less as Corbyn

    Mike K (d45bd4)

  19. until you become Greece.

    Or Venezuela.

    The people of that nation were able to experience for several years the debacle brought upon them by Hugo Chavez, but they doubled down on stupid and voted for his successor not all that long ago.

    When a society becomes increasingly socialistic and liberal, the only thing left for it to hang onto — as a safety vest — is the characteristics of its population. Or whether enough people in such places are intrinsically stable, skilled and reliable. But much of humanity isn’t made up of that, referring to a rare confluence of dumb politics but uncommon demographics (eg, the limousine-liberal enclaves of the SF Bay area, New York City or a Scandinavian nation).

    Mark (dc566c)

  20. Actually, for demographic and socio-cultural reasons, I think Mexico is a better glimpse into our future.

    I’ll tell you where you go wrong, Mark. Mexico has never enjoyed the social, cultural, economic, political or military prestige of either the UK or the US. There is no commonality even in racial make up. Now, perhaps if you leap 50-75 years into the future we will be Mexico del Norte. Once the commie elites here manage to brown out the races with Mexicans and Arabs, and manage to criminalize, marginalize and delegitimatize Christianity and completely eliminate Constitutional law thereby removing the last obstacles to their desired goal then we most likely will be Venezuela not Mexico.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  21. Funny Mark, as I was typing #20 you were doing #19.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  22. BTW, I do hope you don’t consider my use of the term “brown out” to be some insensitive racist remark. I a not a racist, I even married out of my race but I am a race observer. The elites in this country have been softly, almost silently promoting interracial marriage for decades. ( If you don’t believe me look at TV shows, commercials and movies and see how many “mixed” coupes are promoted). At the same time they have been promoting unlimited immigration both legal and illegal from every non-Caucasian area on earth. This is an observable (yet unspoken for fear of being called racist) fact. When was the last time a politician called for immigrants from England? Switzerland? Even Greece or Italy? We wouldn’t even take Jews after WWII, they were too white. If you think about our immigration policy it boils down to this question: will this or that immigrant be more likely to vote democrat or not? If it’s or not, we don’t need them. The democrats have spent decades encouraging the murder of black American babies in the womb and now they need a new crop of brown people to replace the carnage. They have selected the Mexicans and Africans to fill the order. The moslems are the icing on the cake to destroy the Christians and create civil unrest so the elites can create their one true desire: a National Police Force “as well equipped and trained as the army”. Hubba-hubba, just the idea gives leftists a woody.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  23. Hoagie, but I also should never marginalize the negative effects of idiotic ideology — all by itself — on a populace, regardless of the nature of its demographics, using Argentina as a prime example. That part of South America is more mono-ethnic, mono-racial, if you will, than the US — with a very high percentage of people of European extraction, but decades of Peronist leftism have resulted in a reportedly worn-out, crime-ridden culture.

    It would be fascinating to see what would happen to, for example, a city like Detroit, Michigan if its demographics remained exactly as they are, but if 90-plus percent of its populace suddenly became conservative or no less than devoutly centrist instead of mindlessly liberal or leftwing. It perhaps wouldn’t become an overnight Paradise Lost, but I bet it would become far less of an interminable socio-economic mess.

    Mark (dc566c)

  24. There Will Always Be An England

    I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
    I give you a toast, ladies and gentlemen.
    May this fair dear land we love so well
    In dependency and serfdom dwell.
    Though nations burn and innocents are killed
    While the voice of freedom must be stilled
    There’ll always be an England

    While there’s a couch to lay on
    Wherever there’s a hovel small
    And all hope is gone
    There’ll always be an England

    While there’s a dirty street,
    Wherever there’s an idled wheel,
    A million shuffling feet.
    Red, white and blue; what does it mean to you?
    You once were proud, shout it aloud,
    “Britain’s asleep!”

    The Sun has set, let us not forget.
    Freedom’s taken leave. These are the chains
    Nothing can break.
    There’ll always be an England,

    The England that once was free
    Does England mean as much to you
    As she once meant to me.
    There will always be an England

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. Can you picture the proud Englishmen of yesteryear living in the UK today?

    When can their glory fade?
    O the wild charge they made!
    All the world wonder’d.
    Honour the charge they made!
    Honour the Light Brigade,
    Noble six hundred!

    Where the left prevails, ne’er can the proud nobility of free men survive.

    The Anglophile Dana (1b79fa)

  26. Since no one seems to learn from history (or learn much about history, from what I observe), I love the idea of states and such trying out new ideas. What worries me are large nations trying out odd ideas. Historically, that doesn’t’ work well.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  27. Ah Mark, you mistake my racial comments to be pro mono-ethnic or mono-racial as you so eloquently put it. That’s not what I meant. I meant white, cracker, Caucasian, honkey if you will. In other words, pro-white. Although there are prosperous societies which are both mono-racial and mono-ethnic (if there is a difference) like Japan, Korea, China, and most of Africa, none are as productive or prosperous as the US and few of those would be anywhere if not for the actions of the US in recent history.

    The browning of America along with it’s ideological twin sister the feminization of America have only one goal: The destruction of America. Western Civilization in general and American creation, growth and dominance in particular are due almost entirely to the Caucasian, Christian man. Not the Asian, Hindu woman. Not the Arab, moslem, girl. Not the Black, heathen homosexual. Not to any shuffling of all of those identities and more. We are here because white Christian men got us here.

    And you should take note, Mark, the type of people the leftists want to bring here do not come from free societies nor capitalist societies. They come from dictators and socialists. So which party do you think they will naturally gravitate to when they get to America? If you said democrat go to the head of the class. That’s why when you hear the siren song of the RINO saying “the Mexicans are Catholic so they’ll be conservative” all you need to do is ask if the head Catholic who is Argentinian sounds conservative when he talks. He, like all the other South Americans comes from a socialist background with huge government control. It’s what they’re used to and believe me they will bring it to America with them. So basically we are importing future democrats who will in time fully convert to commies with the party.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  28. I was born British, although I am now a very proud American. I tell people I am from the place where England used to be.

    Gazzer (a2251b)

  29. Colonel Haiku, Ross Parkers asks how England could destroy the Nazi’s but it can’t win over itself.

    Does England mean as much to you
    As she once meant to me.

    Interesting. Replace England with America. Seeing the crap who call themselves “Americans” today I should have gone to Canada instead of Vietnam. Seems I did a lot of bleeding and a boat load of killing for a bunch of ungrateful b!tches. However, we still have our house in Hamilton, Bermuda to retire to.

    I hate almost everything this country’s become. But what I hate most is hating America!

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  30. However, we still have our house in Hamilton, Bermuda to retire to.

    Corbyn will probably hand Bermuda over to Argentina at the same time that he hands over the Falklands, if given the chance. Penalty and interest will be the rationale. But hey, I’m sure the Kilchner government will totally respect the property rights of Yanquis.

    JVW (ba78f9)

  31. Thanks for the uplifting thoughts, JVW. I guess Bermuda would be a prime target for a commie pig like Corbyn. Lots of wealthy people from all over the globe. He can do an international screwin’ to a bunch of capitalists.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  32. We wouldn’t even take Jews after WWII, they were too white.
    No, they were allowed in after WWII. They weren’t allowed in before WWII because they were Jews. And the opposition to them and to allowing Catholics in came from people who said things remarkably similar to what you said in comment 27.

    They were actually more opposed to Italians than Jews. Steve57’s grandparents (he has mentioned his Italian ancestry) faced bigotry by people who thought they were not white enough and not Christian enough.

    When was the last time a politician called for immigrants from England? Switzerland
    Uh, how many people migrate here from UK compared to Mexico? Such people exist (witness Gazzer) but not many.
    No doubt the fact that very few if any Englishmen live in huts with tin doors and no floor except the natural soil, and lots of Latin Americans live that way has an impact on that. So too does the lack of political liberty in Latin America, and the fact that the UK has it.

    kishnevi (31ba4e)

  33. Ah Mark, you mistake my racial comments to be pro mono-ethnic or mono-racial as you so eloquently put it.

    Hoagie, actually I didn’t want my own comments to be too focused on the demographics of a society based on race or ethnicity as much as based on politics or ideology. Hence, my comment about the city of Detroit, either as what it currently is (and, no, not predominately black as much as predominately liberal or leftwing), compared with what it would be like if it were suddenly (no, not predominantly white) predominantly conservative or rightwing, or even truly centrist.

    The innate ideological biases of humans and societies don’t receive enough attention as far as I’m concerned, in which too many people — particularly among the cocktail-circuit crowd in places like NYC or DC — tend to say, “shhh, don’t talk about his (or her or their political) orientation! That’s rude, intrusive or overly personal!!”

    Mark (dc566c)

  34. He’s not a Socialist, he’s a Trotskyite. He’d make Clement Atlee look like a centrist.

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  35. No, they were allowed in after WWII. They weren’t allowed in before WWII because they were Jews.

    There’s the infamous story of a ship full of Jews escaping from Nazi Germany during the 1940s nearing the shoreline of the US but being forced to turn around at the last minute, apparently based on the edicts of a federal government run by Franklin D Roosevelt. It wasn’t too long ago that I suddenly read about how blatantly bigoted FDR was toward Jews, and not “bigoted” in the way that word has been inflated in the politically correct atmosphere of 21st century America. Simply put, one of the heroes of the Democrat Party and left was an out-and-out, garden-variety anti-Semite, who said in the 1930s that Jews themselves were to blame for the rise of Hitler.

    Mark (dc566c)

  36. Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/13/2015 @ 10:55 am

    I get where you are coming from, brother in Christ, and your points are well taken, even your point about the Pope, because The Catholic church promotes what I call “familial socialism.” This is (I believe) the socialism that is foundational to every functioning family. Beginning with the covenant between a man and a woman, to the procreation of children, the caring and rearing of children, to the education and and orientation of children for the common good of society. But this kind of socialism frees individuals to take their places as adults instead of enslaving them by rendering them dependent children for the rest of their lives. The Church has always said that the family is the Domestic Church. So when the Pope encourages the faithful to engage in what are easily identified as acts of socialism, he is encouraging individuals to take action in their respective domestic churches. Yes, he also urges these actions on a larger scale because we live in a larger world. But the Pope is the shepherd of many souls, but the master of none.

    However, and True socialists will never forget this, Socialism is the enemy of the Church. So when the Pope is perceived to spew “socialist” ideas, the True Socialists pounce on the chance to twist his words to further their agenda, hoping to pick off not a few weak minds as collateral damage.

    The Church has seen many attempts, both without and within, to hijack the faithful for a worldly agenda. The Church has seen the birth of many regimes and has presided over the funerals of of all of those that have broken on the shield of the Holy Spirit. The Church will bury this newest onslaught against the faithful. Jesus promised us that the gates of hell will never prevail against His church. You and I both pray right alongside Jesus that we may be One as he and the Father are One, so that we may all be One together. Here’s to the unity of all Christians. Amen.

    felipe (56556d)

  37. Good to see that they’ve finally gotten rid of all those LINOs and eLabourites!

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  38. It wasn’t too long ago that I suddenly read about how blatantly bigoted FDR was toward Jews, and not “bigoted” in the way that word has been inflated in the politically correct atmosphere of 21st century America. Simply put, one of the heroes of the Democrat Party and left was an out-and-out, garden-variety anti-Semite, who said in the 1930s that Jews themselves were to blame for the rise of Hitler
    Sad to say, he was rather typical for his era. Gentleman’s Agreement was made in 1947. Father Coughlin was immensely popular until he began to openly support the Nazis. The Holocaust made antisemitism verboten. It is probably no coincidence that it is returning now that the last survivors of that era are dying off. (Anyone born in 1945 would now be 69 or 70…add five or ten years to be old enough to have coherent memories of that time.)

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  39. No, they were allowed in after WWII. They weren’t allowed in before WWII because they were Jews. And the opposition to them and to allowing Catholics in came from people who said things remarkably similar to what you said in comment 27.

    Very disingenuous, kishenvi. Some Jews, their ranks considerably thinned by socialist murderers were allowed in after WWII. Feel better kishnevi? And don’t start leading a race card on me with that cute “opposition” saying “similar things” crap. Can’t anyone have an onest conversation about race, religion and what actually is of benefit to the US without attacking on race?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  40. This is (I believe) the socialism that is foundational to every functioning family. Beginning with the covenant between a man and a woman, to the procreation of children, the caring and rearing of children, to the education and and orientation of children for the common good of society. But this kind of socialism frees individuals to take their places as adults instead of enslaving them by rendering them dependent children for the rest of their lives.

    Wow, filipe, that’s a lot to contend with. First, I fail to see what socialism has to do with the foundation to every functioning family. Makes no sense. The covenant between a man and woa is basically a dictatorship, biblically. And all that care and rearing may be good for society but it is there to support the family. If every family supported itself socialism would be extinct. Finally, there is no “kind” of socialism that frees individuals for or to do anything. That’s the idea of socialism, each bound to the other and dependent and specifically does enslave children for the rest of their lives. That’s why it’s so paramount to leftists to control education from birth till college now a days. Remember: “Give me a child till ten and I have him for the rest of his life”? They aren’t kidding that’s why leftists send their kids to private schools while denying vouchers for the people which would enable the people to escape the grasp of leftist union teachers. Or haven’t you noticed?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  41. Sad to say, he was rather typical for his era.

    And this one too, kishenvi.

    theblaze.com, February 2014: The author of a German study that examined thousands of anti-Semitic hate messages told an Israeli newspaper that she was “very surprised” to discover that only 3 percent came from those described as members of the political “far-right.”

    Monika Schwarz-Friesel, a linguistics professor at the Technical University of Berlin, and her team read 14,000 letters and emails addressed to the Israeli embassy in Berlin and to Germany’s Central Council of Jews, Haaretz reported. “I wanted to find out how modern anti-Semites think, feel and communicate,” Schwarz-Friesel told Haaretz.

    The study concluded that a majority of the messages – 60 percent – were sent by educated Germans, including university professors and priests. That finding shattered the research team’s initial assumptions.

    “At first, we thought that most of the letters would be sent by right-wing extremists,” Schwarz-Friesel said. “But I was very surprised to discover that they were actually sent by people from the social mainstream – professors, Ph.D.s, lawyers, priests, university and high-school students.”

    Efraim Zuroff, Israel office director of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, a Jewish human rights group, told TheBlaze “there’s no question that there is an undercurrent [of anti-Semitism] in respectable German society and it’s very often people who would be shocked to be called anti-Semites.”

    The letters examined were sent between 2002 and 2012. The study was conducted jointly with American historian Jehuda Reinharz.

    “We found that there is hardly any difference in the semantics of highly educated anti-Semites and vulgar extremists and neo-Nazis,” Schwarz-Friezel told the American Jewish news site the Forward in December. “The difference lies only in style and formal rhetoric, but the concepts are the same.”

    Mark (dc566c)

  42. What’s funny there , Mark, is these guys consider them damn neo-Nazi’s as the far right which Nazi’s are not so even their 3% is off.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  43. Rev.H, your comment at 27 was so full of ignorance and stupidity, and so different from your usual level of intelligent comment that I was forced to assume you are coming down with the flu, and suffering the mental results of running a fever.

    And since I have to get ready for Rosh Hashanah.. May you have a complete and full recovery, and I wish you and everyone else “l’shanah tovah tikotevu” May you be inscribed on the Book of Life.

    kishnevi (28fa9f)

  44. 43. Rev.H, your comment at 27 was so full of ignorance and stupidity, and so different from your usual level of intelligent comment that I was forced to assume you are coming down with the flu, and suffering the mental results of running a fever.

    kishnevi (28fa9f) — 9/13/2015 @ 2:10 pm

    What in particular was ignorant or stupid? Western civilization is a product of Christianity and white Europeans. Which is precisely why the left, the product of Marxism although I doubt they know it, hate it with a passion.

    Europe is committing suicide with this fictional migrant crisis. It’s actually a Hijrah; that’s why approximately 75% of the “refugees” are military aged young men.

    http://quran.com/4/100

    And whoever emigrates for the cause of Allah will find on the earth many [alternative] locations and abundance. And whoever leaves his home as an emigrant to Allah and His Messenger and then death overtakes him – his reward has already become incumbent upon Allah . And Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

    http://www.qtafsir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2492&Itemid=77

    Allah tells us that those who migrate for the sake of Allah, seeking to earn His pleasure and that which is with Him, leaving behind their homelands, families and friends, leaving their countries for the sake of Allah and His Messenger to support His religion, then they are killed, i.e., in Jihad, or they die, i.e., they pass away without being involved in fighting, they will have earned an immense reward. As Allah says:

    Europe, Germany in particular in this case, is committing suicide because our ruling elites can’t defend any of Western civilization’s defining features; capitalism, Christianity, the enlightenment, nothing. And they can’t defend it because they hate it.

    We are governed badly because we are governed by people who intensely dislike the people they govern and everything about us, from our history to are religion to our values such as free speech and due process. In other words, for what Hoagie said.

    Steve57 (a07e69)

  45. Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27) — 9/13/2015 @ 1:45 pm

    I believe you are confusing “socialism” with Socialism” the same way people confuse “catholic” with “Catholic.”

    A covenant is not a dictatorship. A man has his place in the Lord’s plan just as a woman has her place in the Lord’s plan. Anyone who believes that the fundamental role and responsibilities that go with that role are somehow beneath the “dignity” of either the man or woman are listening to the father of lies.

    Likewise children are very much a part of the Lord’s plan. If you are a family man then you are well aware that a father is engaged in socialism with respect to his family. Or are you in denial? The parents (as dictators) get tp lay down all the rules, own the means of production, centrally plan everything. Sound familiar? When parents do this, it is “good.” When governments do this it is catastrophic. I believe you and I are separated by a common language where the same words having different meanings. But I can deal with that. Sloow and steady wins the race.

    felipe (56556d)

  46. ” If every family supported itself socialism would be extinct. Finally, there is no “kind” of socialism that frees individuals for or to do anything.”

    If every family supported itself, then indeed, Socialism would be extinct because no one would buy into the idea that “it” could do anything for them. I prolly should have called “familial socialism” by a name you would have found inoffensive. I accept that failure.

    felipe (56556d)

  47. upon further reflection, I am saddened that the word “covenant” has been likened to “dictatorship.” This is definitely the fruit of evil. Especially when you take into account that one of the central ideas in the Bible is that of “Covenant;” foremost between God and His people. Is God a dictator? Would it sadden you, Hoagie, if in this instance, you and Gil were in agreement?

    felipe (56556d)

  48. I have to apologize to you filipe. Upon rereading your post #36 I realized I completely skimmed over the word “covenant” and misread the post itself. That error on my part completely changed my understanding of what you were trying to convey and it was completely on my part. I just returned from my one outing per week for dinner with my wife ( I’m hooked up to oxygen in a lengthily process of tests awaiting a lung volume reduction surgery) and when I can actually get out of the house any more I go, go, go! I’m reading now to catch up and if I can I’ll be back after a rest. I need to sit and breathe for a while so I’m watching War Stories: Peleliu slowly regaining my breath.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  49. so which way is he leading:

    http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-34240869

    narciso (ee1f88)

  50. Cowboys just scored from the 2 yard line after officials made an obviously bad pass interference call. 4 minutes left in the 3rd, NY Giants up 16 to 13.

    ropelight (bfb097)

  51. 5 minutes remaining in regulation time. Cowboys trailing Giants by 3 points – 20 to 23.

    ropelight (bfb097)

  52. Cowboys win by one point in seven seconds,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  53. Cowboys score TD with 7 seconds left to win game. Giants left time on the clock by throwing incomplete on previous 3rd down allowing Cowboys to win because of stupid play-action call by Giants coaching staff and Eli Manning throwing incomplete rather than taking sack.

    ropelight (bfb097)

  54. I humbly accept your apology, Hoagie. No worries. I thought something like that had to have happened. I hope you had a grand time with your bride.

    felipe (56556d)

  55. 11. Thank you.

    DNF (7c0dd2)

  56. Covenant. Entertain the notion of a ‘suzerainity treaty’ as the context behind God’s covenant of faith with Abraham, where He swears by walking the smudge pot among the sacrificial victims.

    DNF (7c0dd2)

  57. there is no falconer

    happyfeet (831175)

  58. Kishnevi, apparently my comment #27 caused you great consternation. Would you explain how my personal observations and opinions upset you so? Without a broadside of insults if possible. I figure since sharing opinions is not a personal attack, responding to them shouldn’t be either. What do you think?

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  59. yeah i was uncomfortable with 27 too but I think it’s good we have a place where people can get that stuff out in the open to where we know these ideas are out there

    happyfeet (831175)

  60. The next big question is has labour gone antisemitic with Cobyrn’s election. There are questions about his association with more radical elements in British and European mideast/near east terror groups.
    http://tinyurl.com/Terrorismties

    Which has made the Jewish community in British Isles question what is going on and have people forgetten that the European Socialism bend of political theory wasn’t friends to the Jews anymore that fascism was.

    Charles (3cf0f0)

  61. the United States has done a lot to raise the anti-semitism bar this year by giving nukes and cold hard jew-killing cash to the iranians i think Mr. Charles

    what can a bunch of pitiful british backbenchers add to this really

    happyfeet (831175)

  62. Don’t brown me, bro.

    nk (dbc370)

  63. SPF 100 for all right-thinking volk!

    nk (dbc370)

  64. What exactly were you uncomfortable” with happyfeet”? Be specific because heaven knows I wouldn’t want to say or do anything that would make you “uncomfortable”. Your comfort is of utmost importance when posting.

    I particularly like ” I think it’s good we have a place where people can get that stuff out in the open to where we know these ideas are out there. Wow!, you’d think I was booing God, or pro abortion, or persecuting a Christian baker, or rioting in Ferguson or crashing planes into buildings.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  65. Are you another who can’t discuss race or immigration without playing the racist card, nk? You may think you’re cute but you’re boorish. If you have a rebuttal as to why millions of Mexicans and moslems are vital to America’s well being explain it to me and lift the veil of “ignorance and stupidity” kishnevi sees blinding me. I await your enlightenment.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  66. The ignorance is amazing. British history is a series of invasions turned settlements by new people with new languages, new customs and new religions. The British royal family is German. Even if you go back to William the Bastard Conqueror, he was a Frenchified Viking. Their fishbelly skin was only because that’s the kind of skin that promotes survival in places with not enough sunlight. Maybe now that we can synthesize Vitamin D, the descendants of the new British, 1,500 years from now, will still be dark-skinned. But dark or light, they will be the new Anglo-Saxons.

    Very unlike the history of America, the birthplace of the pure-blooded Aryan race.

    nk (dbc370)

  67. i just don’t think the practical implementation of your thinkings takes us to a happy place Mr. Reverend

    i’m in a happy place today i sent bouquets to NG for her new baby she has a houseful of people all month and the new lil girl is perfect like a pickle

    hers a rainbow baby so i sent a bouquet for every color in the rainbow except i doubled up on blue/indigo cause those ones are hard and i found thesers which should get it even if the colors aren’t exactly like in the pic

    also i sent a big ham cause of she has all them people

    i guess it’ll all show up there tomorrow

    the new baby girl is brown cause of her dad is brown and NG is not very brown really but she’s got some brown on her dad’s side whereas her mom was spanish and very fair-skinned like she is

    lil girl’s just beautiful like a pickle-princess

    i didn’t really think about how brown the lil baby picklehead is until i started thinking about my feels about your comment

    in conclusionings all i can tell you is that lil baby wazzle in the next five years will see a whole hell of a lot more of the inside of a church than i will

    happyfeet (831175)

  68. Happyfeet,

    It’s more about how soon till certain laws are passed or agenda items are added to the planks of party platforms? Even if we excuse a certain political party of the 20th century and examine the Soviets instead. We see they snookered the folks for ground support and then passed laws and enacted if not written discrimination at least authorized unwritten discrimination by government at all levels. So that the religious and specifically the Jewish community was persecuted as all that was evil in the world.

    Charles (d4498b)

  69. it’s a bad situation Mr. Charles no lie

    but they don’t need no laws any more or written/unwritten discriminations, not in merkel’s europe

    they have a huge angry dependent muslim population what are already more or less weaponized

    weaponized against them pesky jews

    Angela you did it!

    we finally have the solution!

    happyfeet (831175)

  70. *anymore*

    happyfeet (831175)

  71. The big Russian pogroms were by the Czars. 1821, 1881(?) and 1912. The Bolshevik purges of 1919 were the Jews being caught up in the same net as the rest of Russia. Under Stalin, no more Jews were killed because of his paranoia than any other suspected group. And definitely not on the same scale as the kulaks. For one “positive” example, NKVD death squads that covered the Russian retreat in the Ukraine and Belarus in 1942, slaughtering potential Nazi collaborators by the thousands, were composed mainly of Jews. Stalin thought they could be the most trusted to hate Nazis.

    nk (dbc370)

  72. 69.i just don’t think the practical implementation of your thinkings takes us to a happy place Mr. Reverend

    That’s really not an answer happyfeet is it? What do you imagine are the “practical implementation” of my thinking and where do you imagine it will take us?

    Bear in mind it seems nk already has me goose-stepping in the distance. All I asked was for a discussion and I’ve already got the “SPS 100″ and “right-thinking volk” talk and have been called ignorant and stupid. Simply for pointing out that millions and millions of Mexicans, South Americans, Africans and moslems are being dumped in America some legally but most illegally and asking; Why?

    Steve57 pointed out the ulterior motive behind the moslems: Hijah. To quietly invade/emigrate in order to subvert and convert an infidels land. Check out the Somali problem in the Twin Cities an other places.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  73. we should secure the border i think

    the low-caliber of immigrants we been getting illegally is for sure targeted at the destuction of failmerican prosperity capitalism and freedom

    this is why you losers should never have elected a p.o.s. like obama

    i tried to warn you

    happyfeet (831175)

  74. And Australia just elected a lefty PM.

    Dave (in MA) (037445)

  75. Okay happtfeet, now you’re addressing the question and the problem. Securing the border will help keep millions more out but it will also seal 11-20 million illegals already here in. (For the sake of argument lets call it 15 million). There is no way a welfare state can absorb that number of beneficiaries. And make no mistake that is the goal. It’s got Alinsky written all over it. Overwhelm the system. There is no way our labor market can survive tat ay entering the lowest level at once. We just don’t need that many entrance level workers when combined with our own.

    So we determined to “secure the border” but have not yet decided how. And we have 15 million Mexicans here we need to do something with. Okay, happyfeet, it’s a start. Seems more than recent politicians were willing to talk about.

    I’d like to point out I’m more concerned about the moslems than the Mexicans. The latter don’t seem to be terrorists. And the idiots in Washington aren’t staying up nights scheming to bring in tens of thousands more Mexicans, but they’re just dying to get those moslems here. Ever wonder why, happyfeet? Ever wonder why when moslems are involved it’s a “humanitarian” affair and they are “refugees”? Ever wonder why other moslem countries, some of the richest on earth, don’t and won’t take in their “humanitarian refugee” brothers? Why is Europe and America chosen to save them? One word: Hijah.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)

  76. the ones that are here we have to put in place real economic policies instead of obama’s job-raping ones

    we have to put them to work and help them contribute

    and we have to create a democracy whisky sexy america for them to want to integrate into not this seedy humorless food stamper trailer park america

    that means we should probably stop elevating dour hateful trashy bigots like Kim Davis to the status of popcultural icons and get out there and have fun and celebrate American life and reinvigorate it – instead of wallowing in hate and fear

    this is our responsibility collectively not just as white people but also as christians but also as americans but also people

    can Trump lead us to where we need to be

    i guess sometimes you go to war with the leaders you got

    i won’t vote for him but you know what he’s a repudiation of the stagnation what afflicts this sad pathetic little country its institutions and its expectations dreams and hopes

    that’s more than you can say about the other Rs, if you honest

    happyfeet (831175)

  77. No, the falcon has not heard the falconer and mere anarchy is loosed upon the world by the likes of Mr. Obama.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  78. So, Labour goes hard left to satisfy the base. To everyone else it looks like crazy people taking their party into permanent minority status.

    Why can’t the people who keep on about “getting rid of the RINOs” see that what they want is just the mirror image of this? And that in a two-party system it is far less forgiving than in a multi-party system where disaffected “LINOs” can move to the centrist Liberals.

    [insert long rant about why two-party systems force both parties to the middle, and when one party heads for the edges the other party will clean up if it just stands pat]

    Kevin M (25bbee)

  79. #80: Kevin, I don’t think that desiring a constitutional Republic is the “mirror image” of Labour going openly communist. If we cannot restore the governance of our country to one constrained by constitutional considerations, then the RINOs and LINOs will just be arguing about who gets the last deck chair on the Titanic. Failure, meaning the collapse of our system of individual freedoms within a circumscribed government, is an option. In fact, such failed systems are the historical norm.

    bobathome (a52abe)

  80. Personally i usually encounter ignorance and stupidity in the eye of the ignorant and stupid.

    Just sayin’.

    DNF (42bbf3)

  81. Amid a new report of Islamic indoctrination in public schools, the American Center for Law and Justice is fighting back with a petition drive that already has garnered 120,000 signatures.

    Earlier this year, public-school students in Madison, Wisconsin, were given an assignment to “pretend you are Muslim,” while students in Florida were instructed to “recite the Five Pillars of Islam as a prayer, make Islamic prayer rugs and perform other Muslim rituals,” ACLJ said Monday.

    Now, parents of public-school students in Tennessee are protesting assignments that include writing a declaration that Allah is supreme and textbooks that recount Islamic doctrines as facts instead of beliefs

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2015/09/students-forced-to-recite-allah-is-the-only-god/#jTj4I352HGcDs1qC.99

    Funny, government run schools kids are basically forced into. Government paid teachers, unionized and predominantly democrats. They seem to have decided that they didn’t want “no prayer in schools” they just wanted to replace which prayers. Just like no God in schools, just which God.

    Rev. Barack Hussein Hoagie (f4eb27)


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