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Truly Frightening — Hillary Clinton Says: Don’t Let Anybody Tell You Corporations and Businesses Create Jobs

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 3:06 pm


At a Democratic rally in Massachusetts, Hillary Clinton’s attempt to attack “trickle-down economics,” resulted in a spectacularly odd statement.

Clinton defended raising the minimum wage saying “Don’t let anybody tell you that raising the minimum wage will kill jobs, they always say that.”

She went on to state that businesses and corporations are not the job creators of America. “Don’t let anybody tell you that it’s corporations and businesses that create jobs,” the former Secretary of State said.

I really wish they had let the clip run longer. Does she articulate some bizarre theory by which jobs are created by something other than corporations and businesses? I wonder what that is. Government? Martians?

This person might be president?

103 Responses to “Truly Frightening — Hillary Clinton Says: Don’t Let Anybody Tell You Corporations and Businesses Create Jobs”

  1. We are so screwed.

    Patterico (9c670f)

  2. Well, Hillary Clinton said it so the opposite must be true*. It is corporations and businesses that create jobs.

    *(Credit Sammy Finkelman)

    nk (dbc370)

  3. Clinton defended raising the minimum wage saying “Don’t let anybody tell you that raising the minimum wage will kill jobs, they always say that.”


    Democrats should not be content to stop at raising the minimum wage to $10 or $15 an hour. They should raise it to $50 or $100 an hour and create even more jobs through the invisible job monster in the sky and lift even more people out of poverty.

    Smart take!

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  4. She is running against Warren and is going to occupy the Left if she can.

    The Democrat Party as we used to know it: McGovern, Carter, Mondale, Gore, Bill Clinton is gone and the party of The Omnipresent State has taken its place. You will know its adherents by their political correctness and their desire to replace people’s morality and sense of justice with legalisms and artificial ethics; in short: Sociopaths.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  5. Yup. It’s great to say the two parties are the same. Right?

    We had better all vote. And not be all sniffy about it.

    HRC doesn’t believe in anything other than what she thinks will give her power. An angry and vindictive woman.

    It’s going to get nasty.

    Simon Jester (1d5945)

  6. Clearly it is poor people and the working class that create jobs. Percolate-up economics, if you will.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  7. “Yup. It’s great to say the two parties are the same. Right?”

    Simon – I can see no daylight between the two.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  8. :)

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. Simon,

    Another way to put that is to note that so-called RINOs are not Democrats because the Democrats have completely lost the plot. We should instead woo the political middle, mainly by sharing the Occupy Democrats every statement with them.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  10. we’re all #Failifornia now…

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  11. red–

    California is well to Hillary’s right.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  12. she’s one of the least qualified to speak about this subject, as she’s been on the public teat for nearly all of her adult life.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  13. Err, who created the $27,000.00 per minute job for Chelsea?

    nk (dbc370)

  14. Kevin, I completely agree. A decent press would ask the politicians to explain themselves. Less adulation. More tar and feathers.

    And that should be a point of bipartisan agreement.

    HRC is scary.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  15. Crony Crapitalism, that’s who!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  16. California is well to Hillary’s right.

    you must not live here… 😎

    redc1c4 (cf3b04)

  17. Like Patterico I, too, am quite curious as to just who she (and all the clapping people) thinks does creates jobs if not corporations and businesses.

    elissa (c16d80)

  18. The media will no doubt ask her!

    Patterico (9c670f)

  19. you must not live here

    I live in LA. I admit that she may not be to SF’s left. But then, Cuba might not be to SF’s left.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  20. They should change their name to the Occupy Party.

    No wonder she wants to “ban Bossy.”

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  21. The MSM will forget this clip faster than you can say “47%”.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  22. That whole segment of her speech was idiotic and incoherent.

    JD (3253c2)

  23. “The power of the State compels you… the power of the State compels you.”

    – Hillary Clinton in “The Lobotomist”… from American International

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. It mighta coulda been the botox, JD

    elissa (c16d80)

  25. It depends on what the definition of “job” is…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  26. I live in LA.

    Hiya, neighbor!

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  27. here’s a dream ticket: Clinton/Warren 2016

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  28. What’s so funny is that she probably desperately wants to run as a competent centrist, but she is so freaked out by the de Blasio/Warren wing of her party that she is going into full pander mode to try to head off any potential challenges from the left. She probably couldn’t pull this off if she wasn’t completely sure that the media would cover for her once the primaries are over. In the meantime, however, I wonder if her Wall Street buddies are taking notice.

    JVW (60ca93)

  29. question: if Shrillery attacks Fauxcahontas, would that be a “War on Warren”?

    (i denounce myself %-)

    redc1c4 (34e91b)

  30. (and all the clapping people)

    As with Obama, that is the problem, along with that clip about Nikki Haley,

    There are too many people who have already been assimilated by the Borg without even knowing it.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  31. that notion, really has to be slapped down, like the knight with the mackerel, really Madame Secretary, where do jobs come from?

    narciso (ee1f88)

  32. Remember, MD, that the Borg wished to assimilate the “effective” parts of the species they conquered. This is a weird “anti-Borg” that takes all Teh Crayzee that does not work and makes it into one Sphere of Incoherence.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  33. If she were a ‘normal’ person, one would think that she might have sustained more damage than has been admitted to when she had her ‘episode’ causing her vision problems; or that maybe that ‘tarmac shelling’ made a hit; but being Hillary, a Progressive through and through, she’s just another economic moron.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  34. She is making sure she is on Lieawatha’s ticket.
    Lieawatha\Clinton 2014

    mg (31009b)

  35. I doubt she runs. She is just making sure she stays on the speaking for $ circuit.

    mg (31009b)

  36. This is the distilled essence of the political philosophy of the Left, although, it really is nothing quite so grand as a true “philosophy,” and, is more properly referred to as the same tired, recycled tropes that have long been stock tools taken from the well-worn pages of the neo-communist playbook. To wit, everything that is good flows from the “benevolent” and paternalistic hand of the State, according to neo-communist-Democrat apparatchiks such as this vile, power-mad crone. Of course, the self-perceived “expert” centralized planners of the Central Committee know best how to manage our lives, despite the fact that almost none of them have ever worked outside of government in the private sector, what constitutes “the real world” for most of us.

    So says the woman who has never spent one minute actually working at a merit-based job in the private sector, who has never actually managed or founded a small business, much less worked at one! A woman who, along with her equally vile husband, has managed to milk her mediocre political career into obscene amounts of lucre that she never would have been able to amass in the private sector as a result of entrepreneurialism, sweat equity and actual accomplishment.

    Two things are really quite remarkable, here: 1) That Clinton would actually casually (and, perhaps, calculatedly) regurgitate the abject stupidity and transparent demagoguery of Obama’s “you didn’t build that” comment of 2012; and, 2) That she is totally unabashed and comfortable spewing this communist narrative. The Left is becoming more and more comfortable about openly displaying its totalitarian centralized planning bent, and not even engaging in a pretense of being pro-free market and pro-capitalist. This is food for thought, because, it suggests that Clinton knows her audience, and anticipates that most of the populace — far from rejecting this tupe of pandering and demagoguery — will, in fact, be receptive to it. She may be right, inured as most Americans are now to receiving their “free” goodies from the State.

    And, of course, the final irony is the gaping chasm that exists between neo-communist-Dem utopian ideals, and, the deleterious real-world consequences that ensue, once those utopian, ill-conceived machinations are put into effect. Apparently, the examples of Cuba, North Korea, Cambodia, the Soviet Union, France and Communist China don’t suffice to get the point across, with respect to statism/socialism/communism’s representing an utterly bankrupt ideology (in more ways than one) which has brought nothing but death, impoverishment (intellectual and fiscal) and misery to countless hundreds of millions of people over almost 100 years.

    Guy Jones (df6cf0)

  37. It really is a sad state of affairs. Eight years of Obama’s arrogance, vanity, incompetence and utter detachment, plus, the ceaseless fallout from his ruinous policies, followed by four or eight years of the insufferably self-aggrandizing and self-enriching Clintons taking the reins of power, sixteen years after Bill was mercifully put out to pasture. The country will survive, but, not in a form that supporters of individual liberty and limited government recognize. What is the last bastion of freedom left on Earth? I will remain living here only because I don’t have the means to look at other options abroad.

    Guy Jones (df6cf0)

  38. to-
    Carlos just nailed the National Anthem.
    Thank You, Mr. Santana

    mg (31009b)

  39. not too mention, the loss of jobs at Simon and Schuster, for that senseless tree murder, a little knowledge is a bad thing, but no knowledge is worse:

    narciso (ee1f88)

  40. You know, I learn a great deal from recommendations made by Patterico, and some of the commenters. Thank you all, by the way.

    The Popehat blog had an interesting article recently:

    Now, it is about GamerGate (and don’t roll your eyes; people are angry about this topic). “Clark” at Popehat lays out the situation pretty clearly…and then the article expands out until the topic is an example of our current cultural war in the West. I sat up and took notice.

    Then , “Clark” wrote this:

    “…Robert Conquest wrote a great book We and They: Civic and Despotic Cultures. He divides societies into two types: those that allow the vanquished their survival, their honor, and another bite at the apple, and those that seek to crush, in perpetuity, the temporary loser.

    I’m certainly not asserting that GamerGate rises to the level of a totalitarian threat against all that we know and love. That would be ludicrous.

    GamerGate is, however, a small battle in a thousand year war. The Blue team is neither entirely sympathetic nor entirely unsympathetic. The Red team is neither entirely sympathetic nor entirely unsympathetic.

    However, the Blue team is ascendant, and it’s a valid question as to whether it wants a peaceful rise. It’s not crazy to note that Blue Team has used policies that arrest, deport, and kill “thought leaders” from Red Team on occasion (in Ireland, in France, in Mexico, in Germany, in Russia, and so forth) and to note that the ascendant Bright majority today is happy to talk about imprisoning or killing people who disagree with their conclusions on, say, global warming. Sure, the slickly produced videos of AGW deniers being exploded for their thought-crimes are meant as a light hearted joke, but many a truth is spoken in jest.

    All things being equal, I’d prefer to live in one of Conquest’s “civic” cultures, and not one of his “despotic” cultures. But if I’m forced to live in one of the latter, then it behooves me to play a game of realpolitik and back the weaker side.

    I don’t play video games, and I don’t care about video game journalism. But I know a culture war when I see one, and I’ve chosen
    my side. It might be the losing side, but I’m still not convinced it’s the wrong one….”

    Now, I read that Conquest book when I was in college (along with Milton Friedman). It really moved me. And Conquest (and “Clark”) are right. I would much rather live in a Civic society.

    Also, it is a warning. When we all agree within a “tribal” group, pretty soon the “other” is seen as so thoroughly evil it is okay to attack, first verbally, and then worse. It’s primate politics. And we are at our center primates (who glance upward toward Grace from time to time). If it is wrong when the Left does it, it is wrong when the Right does it too.

    Conquest’s book is worth reading. “Clark”‘s post definitely is…

    Wow. I hadn’t thought about that book in many years. Again, thanks to Patterico for providing such a space.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  41. According to the Althouse Blog the Hitching Post controversy has been resolved in the owners’ favor. I’m not sure if that update was already covered here. But just in case:

    What had happened was something I’d believed I could assure people was not going to happen, and I’m glad to see the local authorities — on receipt of a little push back from the country at large — gave matters a second thought and reversed their position:
    The city of Coeur d’Alene, Idaho, says the Hitching Post, a for-profit wedding chapel owned by two ministers, doesn’t have to perform same-sex marriages.

    elissa (c16d80)

  42. What’s so funny is that she probably desperately wants to run as a competent centrist

    But that’s obviously not who she really is. Based on her gut biases, she oozes and bleeds liberalism. But not just as a leftist, but a weirdly dishonest one at that. Or a reference to her brandishing the escaping-sniper-fire-as-First-Lady line even after her lying about that was publicly revealed, and she knew it too but still kept up the charade. That all by itself illustrates not just a form of blatant dishonesty, but an almost sociopathic one at that (then again, look at who she’s married to).

    Incidentally, several years ago she arrogantly dismissed the hardship that some businesses would have in meeting things like government-mandated health insurance, proclaiming that if such companies were so undercapitalized, they shouldn’t be in business in the first place.

    Mark (c160ec)

  43. I sure hope we pick a nominee based on electability.

    JD (3253c2)

  44. “I sure hope we pick a nominee based on electability.”

    Yup, a rock-ribbed true conservative who can’t make it through the primaries, but people claim could have won afterward.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  45. that rant, really deserves the Billy Madison treatment, JD,

    narciso (ee1f88)

  46. feeding the crocodile doesn’t get you much:

    did she forgot she won most of the contests in 2008?

    narciso (ee1f88)

  47. 28. What’s so funny is that she probably desperately wants to run as a competent centrist…

    JVW (60ca93) — 10/25/2014 @ 4:21 pm

    She can’t fake the “competent” or “centrist” parts of the act like Bill could.

    The “desperately” part comes in loud and clear, and oddly enough seems to be sincere.

    Who is the real Hillary!? The real Hillary! is the Hillary! constantly redefining herself while she hunts for the fake Hillary! that can get elected.

    Steve57 (e92787)

  48. A stroll down memory lane.

    What Hillary has learned

    By Ralph R. Reiland
    Monday, March 17, 2008

    It’s a different Hillary Clinton who’ll be campaigning in Pennsylvania this time around.

    Observation: it’s always a different Hillary! who’ll be campaigning this time around. By which I mean it’s always the same old Hillary! who didn’t get elected the last time trying to figure out a new way to fool people into thinking it’s a new and different Hillary!.

    “I think she’s learned a great deal,” says Dan Danner, executive vice president of the National Federation of Independent Business (NFIB), the nation’s largest advocacy organization for owners of small businesses.

    Danner is referring to the changes in Hillary Clinton’s approach to health-care reform since 1993.

    As first lady, she produced a 1,400-page health plan, primarily in secret, that was overloaded with central controls, punishments for disobedience and costly mandates for employers.

    Doctors could quit and become architects if they didn’t like the idea of being controlled by bureaucrats in Washington or if they didn’t like the idea of sending a fax to a non-medical clerk in D.C. for permission to order an X-ray.

    Similarly, the attitude from Hillary’s central-planning squad was that small-business owners could toss in the towel if they couldn’t pay the price of providing the government’s newly mandated benefits for 100 percent of their employees.

    “I can’t be responsible for every undercapitalized entrepreneur in America,” Mrs. Clinton said in 1993, …

    No one, of course, was asking Hillary Clinton to be “responsible for every undercapitalized entrepreneur in America.” Just the opposite: It was her plan that would cause the undercapitalization.

    Read more:
    Follow us: @triblive on Twitter | triblive on Facebook

    Wow! The new, improved wiser, more pragmatic, 2008 pro-business Hillary! sure looks like she learned a lot here in 2014, doesn’t she?

    Or, is she the same old alinskyite lefty 1993 model? And by that I mean the same old alinskyite lefty 1974 model.

    …As Hillary Clinton came under increasing scrutiny for her story about facing sniper fire in Bosnia, one question that arose was whether she has engaged in a pattern of lying.

    The now-retired general counsel and chief of staff of the House Judiciary Committee, who supervised Hillary when she worked on the Watergate investigation, says Hillary’s history of lies and unethical behavior goes back farther – and goes much deeper – than anyone realizes.

    Jerry Zeifman, a lifelong Democrat, supervised the work of 27-year-old Hillary Rodham on the committee. Hillary got a job working on the investigation at the behest of her former law professor, Burke Marshall, who was also Sen. Ted Kennedy’s chief counsel in the Chappaquiddick affair. When the investigation was over, Zeifman fired Hillary from the committee staff and refused to give her a letter of recommendation – one of only three people who earned that dubious distinction in Zeifman’s 17-year career.


    “Because she was a liar,” Zeifman said in an interview last week. “She was an unethical, dishonest lawyer. She conspired to violate the Constitution, the rules of the House, the rules of the committee and the rules of confidentiality.”

    How could a 27-year-old House staff member do all that? She couldn’t do it by herself, but Zeifman said she was one of several individuals – including Marshall, special counsel John Doar and senior associate special counsel (and future Clinton White House Counsel) Bernard Nussbaum – who engaged in a seemingly implausible scheme to deny Richard Nixon the right to counsel during the investigation…

    Steve57 (e92787)

  49. “I sure hope we pick a nominee based on electability.”

    “Yup, a rock-ribbed true conservative who can’t make it through the primaries, but people claim could have won afterward.”

    I truly hope we learned a lesson and do NOT allow a gun-hating, dog-torturing scion-of-a-wealthy-dynasty socialist get the nod.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. R.I.P. Jack Bruce, bass player & lead singer for Cream

    Icy (fec6f2)

  51. oh, man… that one hurts, Icy.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  52. Hillary has learned a lot from being broke after leaving the White House and having supporters have to furnish the house in Chappaqua.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  53. I need an ice-pack for that one, Icy.

    mg (31009b)

  54. On a better note Royals looking very good.

    mg (31009b)

  55. there’s some music for a Saturday night! Had me trippin’, all the way back to the Spring of ’68.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  56. de Blasio/Warren wing of her party

    Add Obama to that and you have the entire party these days. There are an awful lot of Democrats who are going to wake up one of these days and find the Democrat Party doesn’t speak to them anymore.

    There are two wings left standing in the Democrat: the Socialist wing and the PC wing. One wants to reduce everyone to a chattel of the State, the other one wants to reduce all personal interaction to a checklist. The old coalition can try to find a home in those choices, and no doubt many can, but a lot of people are going to find their ideas of personal freedom, a market economy and a strong government to help the weak just isn’t in the platform any more.

    And Hillary has decided to join the lunatics rather than pull them back of the ledge.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  57. Col.- Were you a nehru jacket, medallion beatnik? or a
    A Merry Prankster?

    mg (31009b)

  58. Fools. Everyone knows that jobs are created by the Jobs Fairy.

    Thanks, Icy.

    htom (9b625a)

  59. nope. mg, just a long haired high school kid, except for basketball season, when our coach demanded a clean, nearly shaven buzz.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  60. why would anyone ever listen to this rapist enabling shrew … she is way past her prime … assuming she ever had a prime … is it any wonder Bill roams …

    JeffC (faa0ee)

  61. b-ball season is what cut my hair as well, col.
    My grandma bought me a wool nehru jacket and I had to wear it to mass every sunday, damn thing itched so bad I had abrasions!!

    mg (31009b)

  62. elissa (c16d80) — 10/25/2014 @ 5:03 pm

    I find it hard to believe that Althouse isn’t smart enough to realize that plenty of people are eager to pursue the forced cooperation with SSM, and I don’t think she is dishonest enough to just lie straight out (though I don’t know her anything other than her blog, which I rarely read), which leaves that she some how naively thinks that people just want to be free to live and let live.

    All the “resolution” of this means is that there isn’t the money and tactical choice to fight on this hill and wait until a different one.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  63. I doubt she runs. She is just making sure she stays on the speaking for $ circuit.
    mg (31009b) — 10/25/2014 @ 4:44 pm

    Agreed. And why not? Mansions don’t furnish themselves.

    Gazzer (cb9ee2)

  64. Steve57 (e92787) — 10/25/2014 @ 6:06 pm

    The somewhat incredible thing to me is how people like Hillary and Obama and Reid find themselves amidst a planetary alignment of people eager to enable them. At times it is almost enough to think there is a “grand someone” behind them pulling puppet strings.

    Perhaps they are better coordinated by Alinsky’s patron spirit than most in this day and age would ever consider. But that seems a more reasonable explanation than many others.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  65. I don’t know whether to post this OT blurb here or on the Kimberlin thread.

    The Dems want power and don’t care how they get it, and since they can’t get it fair and square, even in a blue state;

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  66. #68

    I just donated again today to Walker. I don’t understand why he can be outspent, which has happened, even given the high priority unions put on his defeat. Conservatives who have money to contribute should be prioritizing his race maybe above any other in the country.

    Gerald A (d65c67)

  67. MD, most courts follow a “don’t kick before you’re spurred” rule. Federal courts under the “case and controversy” clause, and state courts under the common law rule that chancery will not perform a pointless act. If the city gave in, there is not enough for the court to adjudicate. It would be like me suing you for a declaratory judgment that you will not sue me in the future for inflicting emotional distress on you with this comment.

    nk (dbc370)

  68. I remember listening to an interview Hewitt did some time ago, the person seemed to be credible enough, and claimed that Dean was behind the break-in and it had nothing to do with politics but with a call-girl ring…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  69. nk, I think you’re saying that there is no reason to pursue the case if the city is dropping it.
    I understand that. My point was more that maybe we have seen the last of this skirmish, but we haven’t seen the end of this battle.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  70. I agree. Skirmish is the word. Or probe. “They” were testing the defenses, and retreated at the counter-attack.

    nk (dbc370)

  71. related to this venture into lunacy:

    narciso (ee1f88)

  72. Minimum wage hikes cause an instant de facto inflation spike. That is a heavy tax on the people on fixed incomes or on incomes that don’t fully index with the cost of living while suffering a long time lag before any income increase. That means all of you on Social Security or with parents, grandparents, or great grandparents who are alive and collecting Social Security income.


    JDow (770dee)

  73. Don’t let anybody tell you Hillary is intelligent.

    Estragon (ada867)

  74. It would appear that Hillary may be headed toward an incident like Captain Queeg on the witness stand.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  75. Yes, it’s true, DEMAND creates jobs, not companies.
    Any company or entrepreneur can and will find a way to fill the demand.
    We should not bow to companies.
    Bow to the founders of a great system where the people create the demand and the entrepreneurial system ensures that someone will find a way to fill it.

    Coby (36bc15)

  76. Bill Clinton Inc. creates jobs:
    Just think of how many spin-meisters, fixers, and lawyers are needed to deal with and contain Bubba’s ‘eruptions’.

    askeptic (efcf22)

  77. Sorry, Coby, But you can have all the DEMAND on earth however without a company to fill that demand there is no product and there is no job. When “Any company or entrepreneur can and will find a way to fill the demand” they create what?…..Take your time. So then companies and businesses DO create jobs, now don’t they? Please don’t give us the socialists dog and pony show here. We’re way beyond that.

    Hoagie (4dfb34)

  78. I DEMAND you shut yer pie hole… NOW! ………. where’s my job?

    Hillary vs. FauxaLiz in 2016…

    FauxaLiz: “you shut yer hoor mouth”

    Hillary: “bring it, b*tch!”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  79. is not where you want to learn economic theory, Coby.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  80. In the university town I attended college, there was great demand for liquor, yet there was no liquor sold in that town — it was against the law. Demand failed to create liquor store jobs in that town. Now, when they lifted that law, you could say that “government created jobs” or you could say that they stopped blocking them. It’s all very complicated.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  81. “Yes, it’s true, DEMAND creates jobs, not companies.”

    Coby – Where can I get a job application for DEMAND?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  82. We should not bow to companies.

    And that needs to go double for the public sector, or the government that, unlike just about the entire private sector (which includes companies and non-profit organizations), forces people to pay for its “goods” and “services,” whether we want or need them or not.

    I guess the closest one can get to companies being analogous to you’ll-pay-or-else! government would be privately owned utilities, since in just about all cases one can’t casually choose to have or not have electricity, etc. But when it comes to most of the hierarchy of the government, local, state and federal? It’s great to be required — REQUIRED!! — to fund the salaries of Joe Blow sleeping in his office cubicle in DC and all the government-only holidays of Jane Doe over there in the state capitol, etc.

    I won’t even say anything about the unholy alliance of crony capitalism, politicians and the government.

    Mark (c160ec)

  83. Hillary is an idiot. And that’s my most favorable opinion of her–it’s usually lower than that.

    Skeptical Voter (12e67d)

  84. 79. It would appear that Hillary may be headed toward an incident like Captain Queeg on the witness stand.

    MD in Philly (f9371b) — 10/26/2014 @ 6:29 am

    What difference, at this point, does another such incident make, doc? (Pounding table, crazy gleam in eye.)

    Steve57 (e92787)

  85. Of course she said something stupid. She’s always said stupid things. But now she has a medical excuse.

    I can’t believe you bigots are making fun of our future historic first concussed-American President.

    With bonus lady parts.

    Steve57 (e92787)

  86. FWIW, I am not sure what Coby’s underlying intent was.

    I think demand is still a free market principle and not suggestive that it is the government that creates jobs, unless the government orders you to buy something, or tells you to buy something and will tax you if you don’t…

    Though I do think at times companies have created a demand by making something people didn’t know they wanted.

    But I know so little about economics and business my opinion doesn’t count except to raise an example of a lack of understanding…

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  87. not bothering to read narciso’s link, though I am sure it is good as always, by the title it seems like an Obama straw man argument
    one could treat them like heroes AND treat them nicely while in quarantine.

    Some isolated compound on an isolated beach in the Bahamas, perhaps.
    maybe that would be an incentive for volunteers to counteract the disincentive of having an additional 21 days away from one’s usual life.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  88. After reading the article at narciso’s link, I can only conclude that it’s a prerequisite to have had a head injury with permanent effects if you want to work for Obama.

    Steve57 (e92787)

  89. Ref #6
    ” Clearly it is poor people and the working class that create jobs. Percolate-up economics, if you will.
    Kevin M (b357ee) — 10/25/2014 @ 3:32 pm ”
    = = = = = = =

    No, no, no!!!! Don’cha see, it’s all the non-English-speaking, “doing it for love” / “just trying to make a better life for their families” border-crossers that create jobs. Humberto and Enrique and Consuelo and Lupita need translators(*), they need bureaucrats to get them enrolled in the various public assistance programs, they need schoolteachers for their kids, and people at DMV to be sure they have driver’s licenses …. that’s JOBS, dude!!!!

    THAT’S why Prog’s like Shrillary insist on having open borders — To Benefit America!!!, yessir.

    (*) – any more, that includes other nationalities too: Wang Chiang, Iqbal, Ngobamabe, and Praveet (and their families) need translators, etc, too.

    A_Nonny_Mouse (c7c5e3)

  90. narciso @92 – I did not read Samantha Power blaming the Ebola on the Jooooos, so perhaps the Administration has put a muzzle on her to some degree.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  91. Inspired by the topic of this thread, Doug Ross has a list of revealing and unintendedly comical Hillary! quotes over the years which will come back to haunt her.

    Now an O/T observation about “fact checkers.” AKA Democratic operatives with bylines. Snopes tries to defend Hillary!

    This list of purported “Marxist” quotes by former first lady, senator, presidential candidate, and secretary of state Hillary Clinton is (like many collections of utterances from various political figures) difficult to rate as strictly “true” or “false”: She did make the statements reported above, but they have all been stripped of any explanatory context, and some of them had portions elided, creating potentially misleading impressions about the nature of those statements.

    Umm, no. It’s not difficult at all. Did she say those things? Yes. Therefore true.

    Ahh, but what about the holy context?

    “We’re going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good.”

    This statement by Senator Hillary Clinton was not (as commonly assumed) addressed to the general public, but rather to a group of relatively well-to-do Democrats attending a June 2004 fundraiser for California senator Barbara Boxer. Her statement specifically referred to a desire to repeal tax cuts that had recently been enacted by the Bush administration, cuts which many Democrats had criticized as favoring the wealthy:

    How brain dead do you have to be to know that it doesn’t matter if she only said this among friends and donors? The tax increases, unlike her confession, will not be directed only to well-to-do Democrats who attend fundraisers for pols for Barbara Boxer.

    Personally I would support that kind of targeted tax cut. But that isn’t the kind of tax increase Hillary! was talking about, as everything she said before or since about wealth redistribution and “income inequality” has demonstrated. If anybody won’t be taxed, it will be Democratic donors. Why else bribe her with outrageous speaking fees?

    But even this limited context Snopes tries to provide doesn’t somehow make anything better. When put into context, the quote is every bit as bad as it appears just on its own. There’s nothing misleading about the quote. Just like Obama’s admission that he’d raise capital gains taxes even if that reduced tax revenues because of fairness, this quote provides a window into the mind of a pirate.

    Then there’s the next quote:

    “It’s time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few … And to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity.”

    This entry is a pieced-together passage from a 29 May 2007 economic policy speech given by Senator Clinton on the subject of “Modern Progressive Vision: Shared Prosperity.” The supposedly “Marxist” nature of this statement is undercut when the sentences that immediately followed it (affirming support for a free market economy) are included for context:

    Umm, no, it isn’t undercut. Because Hillary! doesn’t affirm support for free markets in that next statement.

    Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed.

    When we get our priorities in order and make the smart investments we need, the markets work well.

    Any market that has to follow rules to promote Hillary!’s values and Hillary!’s priorities is not a free market. Anybody who stayed awake during an economics class would know this.

    When I hear businessmen speak eloquently about the “social responsibilities of business in a free-enterprise system,” I am reminded of the wonderful line about the Frenchman who discovered at the age of 70 that he had been speaking prose all his life. The businessmen believe that they are defending free en­terprise when they declaim that business is not concerned “merely” with profit but also with promoting desirable “social” ends; that business has a “social conscience” and takes seriously its responsibilities for providing em­ployment, eliminating discrimination, avoid­ing pollution and whatever else may be the catchwords of the contemporary crop of re­formers. In fact they are–or would be if they or anyone else took them seriously–preach­ing pure and unadulterated socialism. Busi­nessmen who talk this way are unwitting pup­pets of the intellectual forces that have been undermining the basis of a free society these past decades.

    Hillary! being one of the products of and now contributor to those forces undermining the basis of a free society.

    Which is the point of the people who wrote that list!

    The only thing properly within Snopes stated mission was to rate the answer to this question either true or false. Is the rumor true or not?

    Who said it?

    It’s not difficult. It’s true; Hillary! said it.

    But being liberals, they had to somehow influence whatever conclusions you draw from knowing Hillary! actually, no kidding, said those things. Which might lead to conservative thought crime. And we can’t be having that.

    Steve57 (e92787)

  92. *…Personally I would support that kind of targeted tax cut increase….

    If only we could just tax wealthy Democrats…

    Steve57 (e92787)

  93. Some isolated compound on an isolated beach in the Bahamas, perhaps.

    Half at White House and half at the Vice-President’s residence.

    nk (dbc370)

  94. No, papertiger. Not half of each person at each place.

    nk (dbc370)

  95. nk — the empty slots in Gitmo.

    htom (9b625a)

  96. Here is achart showing what usually happens when polls are close:

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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