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9/21/2014

The Threat Of ISIS And al-Qaeda: Two Views

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:01 pm



[guest post by Dana]

Today Sen. Dianne Feinstein appeared to contradict those who have steadfastly maintained that ISIS and al-Qaeda do not pose a direct threat to the U.S. as she warned that there is indeed an increasing threat from these terrorist organizations:

The Islamic State terrorists, she said, “have killed thousands, they are marching on, they have an army, they’re well-organized. Many of us believe they’re aimed at Baghdad, perhaps our embassy there, and who knows what else.” Feinstein also said AQAP has tried to sneak bombs into the U.S. on four occasions, and poses a threat to national security alongside the Islamic State.

This comes on the same day that editor of The Nation Katrina vanden Heuvel claimed that ISIS does not pose an immediate threat to the U.S. and that “regional diplomacy” or a “political solution” is the appropriate way to combat them:

“The president articulated what I think is a pretty good foreign policy organizing principle: don’t do stupid stuff…He resisted military strikes in Syria last august. He said at West Point in May that our biggest mistakes have been willingness to rush into military adventures without thinking through the consequences.”

“I regret, I think the president has surrendered to war party in both parties, to a media that has lathered up hysteria about a threat that is not an immediate threat to this country. There is a barbarism and a gruesomeness to the video tapes that have moved the American people at this stage to support strikes, but the support for ground troops is not there. The support is very thin.”

The main problem is that too often in this country that we equate doing something with doing something militarily, when what is needed now is tough regional diplomacy, political solution. We’ve spent 13 years of military misadventure in this region. Let us find a different way. Don’t do stupid stuff.”

–Dana

51 Responses to “The Threat Of ISIS And al-Qaeda: Two Views”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (4dbf62)

  2. So….Katrina vandel Heuvel thinks that what these folks in the Oval Office have been doing in terms of foreign policy has been “smart”?

    Um.

    There is devotion to a political ideal, or a politician. But that’s…well, kind of embarrassing.

    Simon Jester (9848db)

  3. entrusting national security issues to food stamp is not wise smart astute clever or otherwise commendable

    we just have to hope that food stamp’s cowardly inept uselessness lulls the terrorists into dithering away the next couple years

    obama simply can’t be entrusted with the deployment of meaningful military resources and people’s lives and that sort of thing

    all he knows to do with any skill is squander

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  4. And the Katrina went and did “stupid stuff”. Gotta get through rhe mid-terms, cost in human life be damned. I guess Bergdahl will be cleared after the mid terms, too.

    Gazzer (2c8ed2)

  5. Obama going for preemptive strikes in the absence of an imminent threat sounds familiar. Didn’t another recent president do that and didn’t a lot of prominent Democrats criticize him for it?

    Right, it was called the Bush Doctrine.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  6. The time for air strikes was weeks ago when ISIS was on the move in an orderly file. Now they are sleeping with an infant on their heads and a video camera nearby to shame us.

    Gazzer (2c8ed2)

  7. “We see, therefore, that war is not merely a political act, but also a real political instrument, a continuation of political commerce, a carrying out of the same by other means.”
    – Clausewitz

    Sam (e8f1ad)

  8. Katrina vanden Huevel sees Sarah Palin as a bigger threat to America and the world than ISIS/Al Qaeda.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. Two Jewish women disagreeing. That’s not news; that’s the reason there are 13 parties in the Knesset. 😉

    nk (dbc370)

  10. On the one hand the lib who sits on the Senate Intelligence Committee and has access to all the classified information says ISIS (and similar groups) pose a direct threat to the US.

    On the other hand the lib in the LHMFM* who doesn’t have access to the intel but if she did couldn’t read it anyway because with her lips firmly planted on a particular part of Obama’s anatomy his buttocks block her view both ahead and to either side of her face says ISIS (and similar groups) do not pose a direct threat to the US.

    Gee. How to choose between these two “expert” opinions? Tis a dilemma.

    *I added LH for “Leg Humping” to my usual acronym for the press for greater accuracy and precision.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  11. What is going on there is a civil war between Sunni and Shia. The nutters want to be martyrs and I say it’s OK to help them. I don’t think they can be restored to any civil society. It might have worked if we had kept a force there in Iraq but Obama ended that and I think the situation is not fixable. I would arm the Kurds who seem the most logical although they are by no means philosophers. The rest I would let kill each other. We went into Somalia in a CNN Syndrome and we need to avoid that.

    The best option is large amounts of large munitions. The alternatives are napalm and the MOAB. I don’t want to see our guys getting shot at for Obama’s TV photo ops.

    The Iranians will require Bunker Busters but Obama would need a fainting couch before that would happen.

    Mike K (90dfdc)

  12. 11. What is going on there is a civil war between Sunni and Shia. The nutters want to be martyrs…

    In other words, tomorrow will be a day just like every other day in the M.E. since the Battle of Karbala in 680 A.D.

    I don’t think they can be restored to any civil society…

    Mike K (90dfdc) — 9/21/2014 @ 9:31 pm

    Restored would be the wrong word. That would imply that Sunnis and Shias ever willingly existed in harmony with each other. Allowing for local aberrations (and dictatorships that forcibly kept them from each others throats don’t count since the peace wasn’t willing) as a whole they have never existed in peace since the split 1334 years ago.

    You can’t restore something if it never existed in the first place. In this case before you can restore a civil society between Sunnis and Shias you’d have to first create one. Professor Ditherington Redlines McMomJeans is the furthest thing from a statesman I can imagine, and not even real statesmen have been able to pull that off.

    Steve57 (e9e6e7)

  13. vanden Heuvel is expressing the considered opinion of the base, which Ogabe is bowing to, no boots.

    That his bid as Caliph has fallen flat and Islam is in meltdown is just icing on the cake.

    This weeks catch and release boosters the appearance of anarchy on our way to intervention by the state.

    Bend over Amerikkka, you ain’t been loved enough.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  14. The democratic party will get you long before isis or al quida will! !00,000 minority kids turn 18(voting age) every month and everyone of them hating conservatives so who needs isis” Do you think isis will be looking for you in the re-education camp the minor it democrats will put you in?

    the angel of death (f68829)

  15. Seek help, Perry.

    JD (38d44a)

  16. Drudge has a New York Times article by David Kirkpatrick dated 9/20/14 reporting the widespread belief in Iraq that Barack Obama’s CIA created ISIS. An excerpt follows:

    Suspicions Run Deep in Iraq That C.I.A. and the Islamic State Are United

    BAGHDAD — The United States has conducted an escalating campaign of deadly airstrikes against the extremists of the Islamic State for more than a month. But that appears to have done little to tamp down the conspiracy theories still circulating from the streets of Baghdad to the highest levels of Iraqi government that the C.I.A. is secretly behind the same extremists that it is now attacking.

    “We know about who made Daesh,” said Bahaa al-Araji, a deputy prime minister, using an Arabic shorthand for the Islamic State on Saturday at a demonstration called by the Shiite cleric Moktada al-Sadr to warn against the possible deployment of American ground troops. Mr. Sadr publicly blamed the C.I.A. for creating the Islamic State in a speech last week, and interviews suggested that most of the few thousand people at the demonstration, including dozens of members of Parliament, subscribed to the same theory. (Mr. Sadr is considered close to Iran, and the theory is popular there as well.)

    ropelight (7bd20a)

  17. Why do leftists like Vanden Heuvel and Barcky think that there is some magical political solution to the Middle East? It is dogma for leftists to state that, in the face of hundreds if not thousands of years of history. When they talk about inclusive governments, they should be laughed at.

    JD (38d44a)

  18. He resisted military strikes in Syria last august.

    actually what happened is Putin ran circles around him and then cut his nuts off

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  19. Frankly, I don’t think she’s much of a revolutionary wheel,..

    http://freebeacon.com/politics/the-hillary-letters/

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  20. ISIS seems to have listened to Barack Obama’s advice after all, that the way to not get attacked is not to kill or hold any prisoners.

    They released the 49 Turkish diplomats, without, it is said, conducting any rescue operation or any ransom.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/dozens-of-turkish-hostages-held-by-islamic-state-are-freed

    Turkey said its intelligence agency had led a covert operation to bring home the hostages, who included diplomats and their families, but insisted that no military actions had been taken and that no ransoms were paid.

    But Turkish officials provided no information on why or how the captives were transported from Mosul in Iraq to Raqqa in Syria before being brought to the Turkish border. Nor did they explain how they extracted such a large group, which included women and children, from Raqqa, the de facto capital of the world’s strongest jihadist group, without facing significant resistance.

    “Right now, the government is on top of things because they got the release of the hostages, and they should be congratulated for that, but a lot of people will be asking how this happened,” said Soli Ozel, a professor of international relations at Kadir Has University in Istanbul.

    “I still don’t understand what ISIS got out of this,” he said, using an alternative name for the Islamic State.

    It sounds very much like the way Original al Qaeda ® ™ released Peter Theo Curtis around Aug. 26.

    That was done using the “good offices” of Qatar – so this one probably was too, although Qatar is not supposed to have any relations with ISIS, or at least not support it.

    There must be a really interesting spy story here.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  21. most likely explanation is that Turkey promised their ISIS friends that they’d work to hobble U.S. efforts in the region

    happyfeet (a785d5)

  22. 16. Yes, Iran, in all but its most official statements, says ISIS was created by the United States (sometimes throwing in Israel or Saudi Arabia as co-conspirators.)

    ISIS/ISIL/Daesh/IS/Islamic State/”the” Islamic State/Whatchamacallit itself has a different point of view, as the same article notes:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/suspicions-run-deep-in-iraq-that-cia-and-the-islamic-state-are-united.html

    “The conspiracies of Jews, Christians, Shiites and all the tyrannical regimes in the Muslim countries have been powerless to make the Islamic State deviate from its path,” the leader, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, declared in an audio recording released over the Internet, using derogatory terms from early Islamic history to refer to Christians and Shiites.

    “The entire world saw the powerlessness of America and its allies before a group of believers,” he said. “People now realize that victory is from God, and it shall not be aborted by armies and their arsenals.”

    Interesting that he puts Jews first. The New York Times doesn’t say he used a derogatory term for Jews. Maybe that’s because Yehudi or to say Jews are involved is already
    as derogatory as you can get in the Arab world.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  23. 21. happyfeet (a785d5) — 9/22/2014 @ 8:08 am

    most likely explanation is that Turkey promised their ISIS friends that they’d work to hobble U.S. efforts in the region

    It has to be. And they’re buying oil. There are obviously things going on all the time.

    But what they must have told them, is that if they kept these prisoners hostage, they would STOP.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  24. editor of The Nation Katrina vanden Heuvel claimed that

    How is this statement distinct from “Joe Blow off the sidewalks of Staten Island claimed that”? Katrina vanden Heuvel has no more time in the military, the intelligence services, or the Foreign Service than does Madonna. She studied politics at Princeton, but her thesis was on Joseph McCarthy (perfect for an aspirant red haze opinion journalist). Her husband is a Russian specialist who has published next to nothing on national security studies. She’s known for being articulate and publishing a weekly that’s part of the philanthropic sector. That’s it.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  25. 17. JD (38d44a) — 9/22/2014 @ 6:24 am

    Why do leftists like Vanden Heuvel and Barcky think that there is some magical political solution to the Middle East?

    Because there’s a magical political solution to everything even the war in Syria There is “military solution” to anything.

    Or otherwise you can’t be anti-war.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  26. * There is no “military solution” to anything.

    Or otherwise you can’t be anti-war.

    And they don’t want to say “who cares what happens there?”

    They don’t want to be isolationists.

    And they don’t want to be chicken hawks, either.

    So, given the alternatives, you have to say there can never be a “military solution” to any conflict *, and there is a “political solution” and if there is a military component, it’s not the most important thing.

    * Because if there can be a military solution, that puts them into a dilemma:

    You either 1) opppose it because you are an isolationist 2) support it, but become a “chicken hawk” unless 3) you want your near one and dear ones to get involved, which they also don’t want.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  27. The support for an all out war led by our military would not be so “thin” if we believed that the swells in DC would actually allow an all out war, with WWII-type ROEs.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  28. Yeah, this carpet bombing stuff worked out real well in Cambodia and Laos. The Arab royals and the Israelis wanted Ba’ath destroyed and they got their wish. I say let them deal with the consequences to their region. We should focus on keeping ISIS and Al Qaeda away from America, and not getting mired down trying to drain the pus from boils on Arab butts.

    nk (dbc370)

  29. The New York Times, and I think also the Wall Street Journal, is now, since late last week, referring to Whatchamacallit as “the” Islamic State (with “State” capitalized), sometimes with an extra adjective, as in “the extremist Islamic State.”

    “Islamic State” alone, without the word “the” can be used in headlines.

    Also sometimes it is:

    “the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL” That maybe also could end “also known as ISIS and ISIL”

    When someone is quoted saying ISIS or ISIL, at the end of the sentence qith the quote is: “using an alternative name for the Islamic State.”

    In the article mentioned and linked at #16 and #22 a deputy prime minister of Iraq is quoted as saying “Daesh” to which the New York Times appends:

    “using an Arabic shorthand for the Islamic State”

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  30. 6. Gazzer (2c8ed2) — 9/21/2014 @ 8:46 pm

    The time for air strikes was weeks ago when ISIS was on the move in an orderly file. Now they are sleeping with an infant on their heads and a video camera nearby to shame us. </i?

    Not entirely. They are attacking Kurds in Syria, near the Turkish border.

    Obama, of course, is not ready to bomb in Syria, maybe because he can't figure out a legal justification, although that doessn't really bother him, in fact Samatha Power basically said last week they’d figure it out later.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  31. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/world/europe/isis-forays-send-waves-of-refugees-into-turkey.html

    Fighters from the Islamic State have been storming through Kurdish villages in northern Syria in recent days, clashing with Kurdish militias, terrifying residents and sending tens of thousands of new refugees fleeing across the border into Turkey.

    A United Nations official said Sunday that the refugee crisis near the Syrian border town of Ayn al-Arab, known as Kobani in Kurdish, could be one of the greatest refugee flows since the civil war in Syria began….

    …While the United States is working to build an international coalition to fight the group and has been bombing its positions in Iraq, it has yet to strike the Islamic State in Syria, leaving it free to expand.

    Syrian activists said that the group was attacking villages near Ayn al-Arab with tanks and heavy artillery. Images posted online showed crowds fleeing with small bundles of possessions.

    Meanwhile, Obama waits, while he tried to assemble a “coalition of the
    willing”, as Bush referred to something like that, and tries to figure out what side bombing that would make him be on in the Syrian civil wars.

    Russia and Syria say, no bombing or other intervention without Syrian government permission, which he has no intention of getting or seeking, so that rules out a United Nations Security Council resolution.

    Obama thinks, though, he has come up with a UN resolution Russia won’t veto. (limited to stopping, or encouraging the stopping of, foreign help for ISIL/ISIS. It even says states are required, under the terms of that resolution, to require airlines to share passenger lists, so taht should help Europe get around European privacy laws.)

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  32. Sammy sez ISIS
    Sammy sez ISIL
    ISIS… ISIL
    Tomato… tomahto
    Obama’d rather call teh whole thing off

    Colonel Haiku (86020d)

  33. There is only one guy who can lance that boil, nk… America’s Favorite Carbuncle, Joe Biden.

    Colonel Haiku (86020d)

  34. No Boots On The Ground… Loafers Lightly Mincing Over The Ground

    Colonel Haiku (86020d)

  35. Let’s look again:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/22/world/europe/isis-forays-send-waves-of-refugees-into-turkey.html

    ISIS Forays Send Waves of Refugees Into Turkey

    What!!? Did the New York Times actally use “ISIS” in a headline??

    It’s in the paper that way, too, today on page A8.

    Although in the article itself, it’s “the Islamic State” and also, deep in the article at the end of some sentences: “the Islamic State, also known as ISIS or ISIL, and in the last paragraph we have “ISIS fighters”

    Another article, about Obama trying to get a United Nations Security Council resolution passed, at a meeting which he will personally – personally – chair Wednesday afternoon, has “the Islamic state, alternatively known as ISIS”

    This meeting will be just before Rosh Hashonah begins in New York. With the outcome of that vote, we go into the new year.

    It would compel (?) – well, no – all nations to enact laws to prosecute those who travel abroad to join terroist organizations, and also those who help them, including with money – they does that put Qatar or Saudi Arabia in violation if they let anyone give any more money to Hamas? A. Al Qaeda is already a banned group, and the resolution names the Islamic State as another example.

    The teeth is that a UN panel for monitoring sanctions that currently exists would investigate who falls short, and that another resolution might later be imposed imposing sanctions on thosew who finance or facilitate travel or finance.

    It doesn’t so much do anything, as remove legal or political impediments in some countries against legislation or certain regulations, and gives the U.S. a grounds for complaint against, say, Turkey.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  36. re: Boots on the ground:

    Peggy Noonan had it right in her column: The Unwisdom of Barack Obama
    Is he weak? Arrogant? Ambivalent? Don’t overthink the president.

    …His essential problem is that he has very poor judgment….In his handling of the Islamic State the president has been slow to act, slow to move, inconsistent in his statements, unpersuasive, uninspiring. No boots on the ground, maybe boots on the ground but not combat boots, only advisory boots. He takes off the table things that should be there, and insists on weird words like “degrade”—why not just “stop and defeat”?—and, in fact, “ISIL.” The world calls it ISIS or Islamic State. Why does he need a separate language? How does that help?

    As I said, I think ISIL comes from some bureacract in the U.s. government, who preferred that as a translation of al-Sham, because al-Sham means more than what is today Syria, but also Lebanon, Israel and Jordan, and bits of Turkey too (and there is no Palestine, according to the caliph Ibrahim, any more than there is an Israel)

    They stopped saying “No boots on the ground” (about June 15, actually) and started to say “no combat” by troops on the ground. I think they tried not to call attention to the change, but now they blame the media for not noticing.

    Fox News Sunday had something on the screen about “boots on the ground” and I think I heard someone using that term, which is inoperative, now.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  37. ISIS will attack anything that is not defended by an air force.

    Sammy Finkelman (cb098f)

  38. Good allah

    narciso (bcc59c)

  39. Well, so much for that grand coalition. France is a no on Syrian airstrikes.

    When Gay Prostitute really does not intend to do anything, he doesn’t.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  40. Just a word to the wise, while you’re looking at the left hand beware the right.

    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-09-22/chinas-economy-slams-breaks-30-coal-miners-unable-pay-employees-time

    If Japan’s yen continues on to 120 to the dollar that rapid deflation will not help China’s Asian import/export situation.

    Cue the PRC xenophobes re: Amerikkkan hegemony and Nipponese war crimes.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  41. 34. Boots are on the ground just not the way we’re presupposing:

    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2014/09/mn-muslims-demand-pork-free-food-products-from-welfare-food-bank/

    Yeah, even here my head’s on a swivel.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  42. 39. Maybe Bosnia has a Spad available.

    Those who maintain a stance of expecting anything but fail from this WH have either been asleep lo these 6 years or are OFA.

    You know who you is.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  43. Though Adversaries on the Surface, U.S. and Hezbollah Share a Goal

    Mr. Afif, the Hezbollah official, emphasized that Syrian officials will view American attacks without coordination as aggression, and that Hezbollah disapproves of Lebanon’s entry into a United States-led coalition….

    …“What Hezbollah wants to see is a genuine, honest, sincere American military campaign against ISIS,” said Ali Rizk, an expert on Hezbollah who has translated some of Mr. Nasrallah’s speeches for the news channel al-Mayadeen. “But you have to stress the word genuine,” he said….

    …But Mr. Rizk said that America’s entering the fray could bring not only de facto American collaboration with Hezbollah, but also covert coordination through intermediaries, perhaps Iraqi security forces.

    He noted that a top Iraqi security official visited Damascus on Wednesday as the United States scrambled to build its anti-Islamic State coalition, and that in Iraq, American-backed Kurds have worked against the group with Iranian-backed Shiite militias.

    While the United States cannot ally publicly with Hezbollah without angering allies and appearing to take sides against Syria’s Sunni majority, Mr. Rizk said, “What happens underneath is something totally different.”

    …Hezbollah has clashed little with Islamic State fighters in Syria, fighting around Damascus and near the Lebanese border, where the militant group is less prevalent. But it often fights the Nusra Front, the Qaeda affiliate in Syria, as well as less extreme, Syrian-led insurgents.

    The analysts said Hezbollah might move its fighters east to battle the Islamic State in its strongholds, though Mr. Rizk said it would keep its role quiet and portray the fighting as being done by Syrian forces….

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  44. Of the 14 Afghan security officers, thoroughly vetted and brought to a Cape Cod base for training, 5 went on the lam.

    Two were found in DC, the other three just found at the Canadian border.

    Unexpectedly!

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  45. Looks like IA is the clincher in the Battle to Retire Accused Pederast.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  46. .

    He said at West Point in May that “our biggest mistakes have been willingness to rush into military adventures without thinking through the consequences.”

    Let’s see. Vietnam and, looming, Iraq.

    It strikes me that our biggest mistakes have been much more founded in a willingness to BUG OUT of military situations without thinking through the consequences

    I mean…

    Jus’ Sayin’…

    .

    Smock Puppet, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  47. —–actually what happened is Putin ran circles around him and then cut his nuts off

    Pardon me, but for that he’d actually HAVE to have nuts in the first place.

    Anyone with any sense knows that to become a duly elected Democratic Party Federal-level politician, you have to demonstrate they were removed years before.

    —–There is only one guy who can lance that boil, nk… America’s Favorite Carbuncle, Joe Biden.

    I say we send him there with as many men for protection as were in the Embassy at Bengazi.

    Those men can be reporters for the New York Times.

    After all, the pen is mightier than the sword, and, and, who would DARE kill any reporter for the Times?

    Ol’ Footinmouth ought to be safe as houses…

    —–re: Boots on the ground

    To be honest, I don’t think boots on the ground is the real solution to this issue, either.
    It can only be fixed by putting boots in a slightly higher location, in the approximate vicinity of 32″ higher, offhand….

    I mean, does anyone here really disagree with that?

    Smock Puppet, "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses." (225d0d)

  48. There is also the Khorasan Group (a spinoff of al Nusra, which is itself a branch of Original al Qaeda ® ™ although the United States seems to be linking it directly to core al Qaeda ® ™)

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/21/world/middleeast/us-sees-other-more-direct-threats-beyond-isis-.html

    American officials said that the group called Khorasan had emerged in the past year as the cell in Syria that may be the most intent on hitting the United States or its installations overseas with a terror attack. The officials said that the group is led by Muhsin al-Fadhli, a senior Qaeda operative who, according to the State Department, was so close to Bin Laden that he was among a small group of people who knew about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks before they were launched….

    …According to the State Department, before Mr. Fadhli arrived in Syria, he had been living in Iran as part of a small group of Qaeda operatives who had fled to the country from Afghanistan after the Sept. 11 attacks. Iran’s government said the group was living under house arrest, but the exact circumstances of the Qaeda operatives were disputed for years, and many members of the group ultimately left Iran for Pakistan, Syria and other countries….
    …It is difficult to assess the seriousness and scope of any terror plots that Khorasan, the Nusra Front or other groups in Syria might be planning. In several instances in the past year, Nusra and the Islamic State have used Americans who have joined their ranks to carry out attacks inside Syria — including at least one suicide bombing — rather than returning them to the United States to strike there.

    They were attacked now on the grounds that something was imminent.

    If attacks by the Khorasan Group are imminent, how could attacking their headquarters stop it?

    They are supposed to have been at the end stages of plotting (= planning)

    This reminds me: Any time a jihadist group undertakes a risky activity, it splits, so that if it is bad for the organization, only part of the organization suffers, and the other part continues as before.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  49. The first attack, by over 40 Tomahawk misisles, was against Khorasan compounds, manufacturing workshops and training camps near Aleppo.
    Then, targets in northern Syria, including ISIS headquarters, barracks, training camps and combat vehicles, using the F-22 Raptor.

    Then F-18s and F-16s hitting ISIS training facilities and vehicles in eastern Syria. that’s when they got most of the help from the other countries.

    The United States tried to minimize the damage to buildings, destroying only the things that got the buildings targeted.

    For instance, there was an ISIS finance center in Raqqa, Syria. The intended target was the not whatever might be going on inside, although it sounds like it might be something worth destroying, but the communications equipment on the roof. The Tomahawk missiles detonated as “air bursts” and heavily damaged the communications array, while leaving the rest of the building intact.

    I guess there could also have been people inside paying taxes, or being held prisoner, which is abg consideration.

    In another example, only the right side of an ISIS command and control center in Raqqa was supposed to be struck.

    There was also a residence or residences in Syria near the Iraq border that were being used for training and logistics by ISIS. It or they were hit by GPS-guided munitions launched from the USS George HW Bush.

    Apparently the whole thing was destroyed. I guess they didn’t seem to have any alternative purposes.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

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