Patterico's Pontifications

8/15/2014

Videos Show Michael Brown Robbing Store

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 6:36 pm

Well, well. So much for another media narrative of the innocent young man being gunned down for no reason:

Some people on Twitter are claiming this doesn’t matter, at least not if the cop who shot Brown didn’t know he was a robbery suspect (although this is unclear). Others say ridiculous things like “he did not deserve to be killed for a robbery” as if that was the issue. Holy strawman nonsense, Batman!

A guy who just did a robbery is not going to behave like a gentleman when he is approached by police soon after the robbery. That’s the issue! What’s more, one of the witnesses to the shooting turns out to be the robbery accomplice. Now there’s a credible witness!

As so often happens, people have taken their preconceived notions of how things work based on racial stereotypes, and have applied them to a situation where the facts are not known.

Isn’t that what we used to call racism??

85 Responses to “Videos Show Michael Brown Robbing Store”

  1. firstest

    Yoda (d89de1)

  2. He was just trying to feed his family.

    nk (dbc370)

  3. How appropriate then that his supporters have responded by looting convenience stores.

    Edoc118 (c37322)

  4. this guy still deserves more of the benefit of the doubt than some filthy trigger-happy cop i think

    cops are bad news it’s just a thing

    “he was going for my gun”

    whatever, dude

    when are they not?

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  5. I’m not judging either one. I don’t trust the sources — not the bystanders, not the authorities, not the media.

    I’ll say this. If this video, along with all the other information now released by the police had, come out immediately, a lot of the furor may have been avoided.

    nk (dbc370)

  6. How far away were the defendants when when you saw them enterin’ the Sac-o-Suds?

    and

    Is it possible the two defendants entered the store, picked 22 specific items off of the shelves, had the clerk take money, make change, then leave. Then two different men drive up in a similar -

    Don’t shake your head, I’m not done yet. Wait till you hear the whole thing, so you can understand this, now. Two different men drive up in a similar-looking car, go in, shoot the clerk, rob him, and then leave?

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  7. i agree about the furor

    but “he was going for my gun” never don’t smell bad

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  8. The issue is did Michael Brown behave in a manner that forced the police officer to shoot him. This has yet to be answered. The robbery may or may not help determine the answer to this question. The officer is presumed innocent and he will get his day in court. I wish everyone will reserve judgement until all the facts are known.

    Joe (33fd9a)

  9. I’m sorry, but isn’t anyone just tired of the latest outrage of the day?

    I have no idea of the facts in this situation and I won’t know for a long time.

    Besides, the whole corrupt Dem machine based in Travis County managed to pack a Grand Jury to indict Rick Perry for doing his job.

    That’s the new story. Don’t believe me?

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  10. Besides, the whole corrupt Dem machine based in Travis County managed to pack a Grand Jury to indict Rick Perry for doing his job.

    Apparently, he was indicted for vetoing additional funding for a D.A.’s office, because the D.A. had admitted to driving drunk and refused to resign.

    Michael Ejercito (becea5)

  11. I can guess what happened. The shooter shut up and lawyered up. With the full approval of his fellow officers and superiors. He did not give information to the investigators that would help them tie the video to the shooting right away. Not until he had talked to his union rep, and his union lawyer, and gotten grief counseling, and been treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, and toxic shock syndrome; and a script could be written, and rewritten, and rewritten again, and then he would make an official statement. I would be disappointed if he did not. Cops know all these things better than any criminal. They are given classes in them. But I’m only guessing.

    nk (dbc370)

  12. i’m just glad the killer was finally identified

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  13. Yep, he was doing his job. Personally, I would prefer a governor to deny funding to a D.A. incapable of acting as a responsible citizen.

    I would also prefer that a single department of a county prosecutor’s office did not have the statewide authority to indict whomever they don’t like in the state government.

    We have the Texas Rangers and the state Attorney General for a reason.

    Just suppose I was the D.A, in Trinity County, Texas, and I decided that Wendy Davis was complicit in murder because of her support of abortion. Then suppose I convinced a county grand jury that the facts supported my case.

    Travis County has no special jurisdiction simply because the county seat is in Austin.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  14. ah, you’re from Austin, aren’t you pikachu, along with Ethan Hawke, where I think it’s a probationary offense to be a Republican, Sac o Suds didn’t have a video camera, as the Quik Trip, which was the one subsequently looted

    narciso (ee1f88)

  15. the Rick Perry thing takes some work to process

    i’m glad his presidential campaign is derailed

    that’s just good for America

    but this case is weird

    I remember one time someone told me that if you threaten to sue some one you might could get in trouble if you were just threatening to file a lawsuit just for to make them do what you want

    and I took that to heart to where I never threaten a suit never ever

    this seems similar to that in spirit

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  16. nk, why didn’t you go to law school?

    Dirty Old Man (b25e94)

  17. but yeah i was from Austin before I moved here to the city of the fascist angels

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  18. oh. *someone* should be all one word

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  19. 11. I can guess what happened. The shooter shut up and lawyered up. With the full approval of his fellow officers and superiors. He did not give information to the investigators that would help them tie the video to the shooting right away. Not until he had talked to his union rep, and his union lawyer, and gotten grief counseling, and been treated for post-traumatic stress disorder, anxiety, depression, and toxic shock syndrome; and a script could be written, and rewritten, and rewritten again, and then he would make an official statement. I would be disappointed if he did not. Cops know all these things better than any criminal. They are given classes in them. But I’m only guessing.

    nk (dbc370) — 8/15/2014 @ 7:43 pm

    One of the first things you learn, or should learn, when you get a CCW is to have a lawyer on call and to have insurance. Because if you use your gun you will be sued or worse. Like night follows day. You don’t really survive a shooting until you make it through the legal process and emerge free.

    And one of the ironic things about cops is that many (not all) is that they’re surprised you prepared to be brutalized by the legal process. As if that indicates some sort of criminal intent.
    when all you’re doing is arranging for the same sort of defense cops get automatically simply by joining the union.

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  20. I think that not providing funding to a county jurisdiction because the top official is a law-breaking drunk is not a bad thing.

    Especially when the law-breaking drunk heads a county department that has no business in deciding statewide civil cases. The Travis County Public Integrity Unit is nothing but a Dem machine.

    You can thank Ann Richards and Lloyd Doggett for this. And I don’t even like Rick Perry.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  21. “he did not deserve to be killed for a robbery”

    Robbers, in general, kinda deserve what happens to them, incidentally or otherwise don’t you think?

    Of course, if they’ve got skittles in their pockets that is a whole nuther matter.

    Matador (f4b09c)

  22. Jane Goodall was devastated to find her chimps conspired to murder a low-status member of the tribe.

    The cannibalism shocked her as well.

    We apples haven’t fallen far from the tree, eh?

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  23. I’d wager no one in Ferguson is familiar with “Origin of the Species”. Pity that.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  24. 16. Law school can’t beat the dust of the street off everyone.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  25. Happy is going for the ahole trifecta today.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  26. am not

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  27. am to. heh. God, or whoever, has a special place for you. With crispy tacos and avocados.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  28. Some people on Twitter are claiming this doesn’t matter

    I can somewhat tolerate such people if they at least aren’t the ones who profess to being so goody-goody about socio-cultural idiosyncrasies, racial/ethnic or otherwise, yet bend over backwards to avoid moving to or spending much time in neighborhoods where one of the major nearby streets is named for Martin Luther King Jr, much less sending their own precious children to local public schools dedicated to, say, Malcolm X.

    Mark (a847d2)

  29. Speaking of thug life would anyone be willing to test this for me? This plays without trouble on macs (except ipads) but I’m not sure about windows.

    Its a mashup using a youtube multiplier, of the horrible prosecutor person doing the Tequila dance.

    Mainly Im looking to see if it will play.

    http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/53eeb342439e3-texantequilaprosecutordance.php

    SarahW (267b14)

  30. i’m a fight the good fight til then mi amigo

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  31. it plays fine here

    man

    texas is making quite the laughingstock out of itself, courtesy of the Travis County D.A.

    what a sow

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  32. On windows?

    SarahW (267b14)

  33. but not to be sexist

    drudge had a thing today about how cops tend to be porculent way way more than average

    these texas highway patrol guys are some hefty dudes huh

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  34. oh yes I’m on Windows 8

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  35. It’s the uniform. It makes everybody look fat. Look: http://quicklol.com/police-car-suspension-abuse/

    nk (dbc370)

  36. If the video is an accurate portrayal, Michael Brown was not a nice guy. And I’d hate that, because he was 6’4″ and 292 lbs. And that’s a days work.

    I don’t think I could take him. He was twice my size, and less than half my age.

    At best I could delay him. Until my friends showed up.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmBxlcXzqK8

    Shortest Navy SEAL “Rick” completed BUD/S Training being 5 feet tall. Don Shipley interview.

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  37. hopefully what this means is by and large they won’t draw on their piggy piggy pensions for too terribly long

    but i suspect they have equally porculent wives at home what get some sort of survivor thing

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  38. The nice thing about really big guys is that they don’t tend to develop skills. Including, unfortunately, putting collars on the end of the bar. Which is why I avoided the weight room on the boat. Ship takes a roll, and the plates on the downhill side fall off. And of course no one can control the damned thing when all the weight on one side has fallen off.

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  39. Jay tapper filmed a new witness who is saying the kid was shot, then surrendered and got shot more, again and again.

    I think it matters that the kid was a thug because it increases the plausibility of any narrative that he got aggressive with the cop.

    SarahW (267b14)

  40. Junior Brown clears things up.

    Ag80 (eb6ffa)

  41. Thanks Happyfeet, for checking that for me.

    SarahW (267b14)

  42. All the looting and thuggery could have been avoided if his mom had been honest initially. All she had to say is he was bad from the get go.

    How many honest people had their lives up ended because of another thug? Rhetorical, don’t answer that.

    Jim (145e10)

  43. from the ‘ya can’t make this stuff up’ file: the brown family’s lawyer has condemned the release of the convenience store surveillance video of brown roughing-up a store clerk while stealing his merchandise as “an attempt to besmirch his client’s character”.

    el polacko (b19fc6)

  44. not using collar thingies is what you do when you don’t have a spotter

    so you can dive out if you have to

    it’s not totally cray cray

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  45. Yeah, no doubt about it, “we all know” a black guy would fight to the death or attempt to steal a police officers gun over the theft of some cigars. Besides cigar theft carries the death penalty. Okay, explain to me again, why abuse under color of law should always be excused/sarc.

    Mike Giles (930031)

  46. Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson has mishandled every step of this sad incident from his initial failure to identify Michael Brown as a suspect in the strong-arm robbery, to his failure to arrest Brown’s accomplice (Dorian Johnson), to his overreaction to the first riots (which his bungling helped precipitate), to his refusal to identify the officer (Darren Wilson) involved in the shooting (which created the impression the police were protecting one of their own), to his bizarre revelation that officer Wilson didn’t know Brown and Johnson matched the description of the strong-arm robbery suspects (How does Jackson know that? Descriptions had been broadcast over police radio 10 minutes earlier.) when he initially encountered them (giving the race hustlers a way to discount video of Brown’s thuggery).

    Jackson’s actions so far have done little or nothing to quite the situation or bring clarity to the confusion he’s largely responsible for creating.

    ropelight (d138fa)

  47. Apparently the DOJ told the PD not to release the robbery video–too “inflammatory.” So I think eventually the PD did it anyway. Good for them! and I’m kind of glad the police stood down last night. After an entire day of happy talk and respect and dialogue, the hoodlums did exactly what they planned all long–continue the looting because they were allowed to.

    The narrative is falling apart. Finally.

    Patricia (5fc097)

  48. Apparently the DOJ told the PD not to release the robbery video

    Do you have a link supporting that?

    It just sounds strange. Eric Holder telling a local what they can or can’t do sounds so Soviet. Can’t be right.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  49. Here is a link: CNN
    http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/16/us/missouri-teen-shooting/index.html

    I saw it at Business Insider first, they linked back to CNN.

    SarahW (267b14)

  50. Thank you Sarah.

    Friday’s release of the video came over the objections of federal authorities, a law enforcement official told CNN on Saturday.
    Ferguson police had wanted to release the video Thursday, but it held off when the U.S. Justice Department asked it not to, arguing that doing so would increase tensions in the community, the source said.

    The money quote. It still sounds Soviet.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  51. From the same Sarah’s link.

    At noon Saturday — the hour that police say Officer Darren Wilson shot Brown a week earlier — protesters plan to silently raise their hands into the air in tribute to Brown’s purported actions before he died.

    I’m planning on raising a finger.

    papertiger (c2d6da)

  52. Ref #47 Patricia (5fc097) — 8/16/2014 @ 8:43 am

    ” … I’m kind of glad the police stood down last night. After an entire day of happy talk and respect and dialogue, the hoodlums did exactly what they planned all long–continue the looting because they were allowed to.

    The narrative is falling apart. Finally. ”
    = = = = = = = = =

    You could read the apparent … disengagement … of the police two ways:
    “Back off, guys. If some white cop manhandles a black looter, we’ll just be that much deeper in sh@* with the MSM and the DOJ and the Black-Grievance-Agitators. We’re in a big enough PR mess already. We don’t want to stir things up more.”
    or
    “Sooooo. We’re not allowed to touch the Special Protected Class of Obama’s Could-Be Sons. All righty, then. We police don’t HAVE to take this grief for trying to Serve and Protect. We’ll all be at Short Mort’s Ale House. Don’t call us — you’ve already told us we’re not allowed to do our jobs. Have a lovely roasty-toasty night, and if you want your business to be standing in the morning, you might wanna hie yourself over there with a loaded weapon, knowutImsayin?”

    A_Nonny_Mouse (74c73b)

  53. My criticism of Ferguson Police Chief Tom Jackson (comment #46, 8/16/2014 @ 8:18 am) was offered in ignorance that AG Eric Holder’s Department of In-Justice was behind the withholding of video evidence of Brown’s thuggish strong-arm robbery. My apologies to Chief Jackson, and my blistering denunciation of DoJ’s reprehensible interference.

    I’ve reached the age to have acquired sense enough to see it coming, DoJ’s criminal misbehavior under Obama’s Administration has become the rule rather than an exception. Eric Holder belongs in jail.

    ropelight (d138fa)

  54. I heard said that the Brown’s family attorney is the same as Treyvon Martin’s family.

    Since I always believe content from Patterico (and doubt it from about everywhere else),
    let me get this straight,
    the witness who claimed Brown had his hands up in the air surrendering is also the partner in the robbery?

    It was so bizarre that I still wonder if I really saw it happen-
    a car accident in front of me, and quick as can be a passenger in the car that ran the red light hopped out of the far side of the car and then acted as if they had been a pedestrian who had witnessed the accident.
    I stuck around until after the police arrived so I could tell them that bit of info.

    I’ve heard people on the radio swear that it is clear that the people in the store video are not the same as Brown and the other guy.
    I agree that it will be hard to decide who, if anyone, to believe.

    How long do you think it will be before “they” can make up an animation of what could have happened as the ultimate “frame” or the ultimate alibi? Is there someway the tech industry can safeguard against this, without smarter techies undoing the safeguard?

    Sort of like crossing Kafka with “Minority Report”.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  55. MD asked, let me get this straight,the witness who claimed Brown had his hands up in the air surrendering is also the partner in the robbery?

    That’s correct. Michael Brown’s accomplice in the video taped strong-arm robbery is Dorian Johnson, the same vociferous Dorian Johnson who is also the eye witness to the officer involved shooting.

    The video tape of the robbery clearly shows 6’4″ Brown and the diminutive Johnson. It features Brown front and center, it’s him alright, no doubt about it.

    ropelight (d138fa)

  56. why did the cop only execute one of the robbers?

    this sort of half-assed approach to police work can only undermine people’s esteem for law enforcement officers i think

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  57. The nra should arm the black community so they can shoot back and prove the nra is right!

    mr.gop (e9ee3d)

  58. you’re super confuzzled mr. gop

    if the kid had been armed there’d be no story

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  59. why did the cop only execute one of the robbers?

    Maybe the evil voices inside his head compelled him to try, but the bullets kept bouncing off Dorian’s halo.

    ropelight (d138fa)

  60. omg sarcasm

    which is fair cause of i was also doing sarcasms

    so let me be clear

    America’s pitiful popo desperately need to address this problem, which is primarily the low esteem in which they are widely held in America

    they have no goodwill on which they can draw when instances like this happen

    cause of their renowned swaggering arrogance

    cause of their rampant hyper-steroidal thuggery

    cause of their blithe disregard for the constitutional rights of the people they are sworn to protect and serve

    and cause of their well-documented bizarre and lethal animosity to pet animals

    America needs to have a come to Jesus with these losers

    that’s the takeaway from this Michael Brown thing

    happyfeet (8ce051)

  61. 57. The nra should arm the black community so they can shoot back and prove the nra is right!

    mr.gop (e9ee3d) — 8/16/2014 @ 2:48 pm

    They did, jerkoff. I mean, Perry.

    http://www.amazon.com/Negroes-Guns-Robert-F-Williams/dp/1614274118

    Negroes with Guns Paperback – March 1, 2013

    Note the Minuteman on the cover. A civil right is a civil right.

    Yours. Love and kisses.

    The party of Lincoln.

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  62. Missouri Governor Jay Nixon was on Meet the Press with the odious Angela Mitchell substituting for the soon to be deposed David Gregory (once Chuck Todd was named as Gregory’s replacement he refused to host the show). Nixon describes the riots and looting in Ferguson as the appropriate energy and angst everyone has had around there. From his attitude and his statements about duel investigations it’s obvious Nixon’s fully in cahoots with AG Eric Holder, who dispatched 40 FBI agents to Ferguson, to make sure they get a thorough investigation to get justice…to get this right. (Mitchell’s follow up question gives Nixon the opportunity to further elaborate on just what ‘duel investigations’ might indicate.)

    In response Mitchell asked why it was taking so long, and then brought up the St Louis County Prosecutor, Robert McCulloch, who many say has a conflict of interest here because he said he disagreed strongly with (Nixon’s) decision to bring in the county police (it was actually the Highway Patrol), he called it ‘shameful’ saying it was in fact an illegal decision. So how is he, the person who would be trusted by this very angry and resentful community, to come up with answers that are credible?

    Well, said Nixon, he’s a seasoned prosecutor who has a chance to step up here and do his job…with 40 FBI agents out working in the community…I think having ‘duel investigations’ will help guarantee this gets done in a timely fashion, that it’s done thoroughly, and that it gets justice.

    To which Mitchell again repeated her question: What is taking so long about telling the people what happened to Michael Brown. Nixon again dodged the question and went on a self-congratulatory spiel about how his (illegal) decision to elbow the Ferguson Police Department aside and bring in the Highway Patrol brought peace to the community.

    Mitchell then expressed her outrage the local Ferguson police chief released the video of Brown’s strong-arm robbery. She asked, What justifies releasing that video about the convenience store while there are still no details about what happened at the shooting itself? That is what caused everything to erupt again on Friday night… (She blamed a video, now where have we heard that one before?)

    Nixon then said he didn’t know the video was going to released, and doubted AG Eric Holder had foreknowledge either. Frankly, we disagree deeply for 2 reasons, #1 to attempt to in essence disparage the character of this victim in the middle of a process like this is not right, it’s just not right, and secondarily it did put the community, and quite frankly the region and the nation on alert again. These are old wounds, these are deep wounds between…ah, ah….in these communities, and that action was not helpful.

    Mitchell then wanted to know if Ferguson Police Chief Jackson should be fired or have to step down.

    Nixon answered the the Highway Patrol had been moved in to manage security and the DoJ and the detectives of St Louis are doing the investigation. He seemed confident the combination of his people, and Holder’s people, were now firmly in charge and no more discordant elements would see the light of day which might disrupt the predetermined narrative.

    If you can believe it, the show then further degenerated into a no-holds-barred effort to fan the flames of racial animosity. NBC waving the bloody shirt and calling for racial justice. I turned it off. David Gregory should thank his luck stars NBC fired him, he may yet emerge from this experience with what remains of a tattered but still partially intact reputation.

    ropelight (dcda91)

  63. 62. … NBC waving the bloody shirt and calling for racial justice

    ropelight (dcda91) — 8/17/2014 @ 9:06 am

    Whenever you see the word justice qualified by another word like racial, economic, social, academic (no kidding, really!), blah, blah, blah, just mentally substitute the prefix “in” for all those words. Because that’s the territory you’ve just entered; injustice.

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  64. at least not if the cop who shot Brown didn’t know he was a robbery suspect (although this is unclear).

    In the first place, that would not matter anyway, since, even if the policeman did not know, Michael Brown knew he was a robbery suspect, and he might have acted very differently than somebody who wasn’t.

    In ths second place this gets the story wrong. Darren Wilson stopped them, not one time, but two separate times. The police chief in Ferguson made that clear around 5 pm Friday.

    It’s not clear how much time passed between the two stops. In fact the whole time line may be wrong. Parts of it may be off by less than ten minutes, but that makes a big difference.

    The first thing to note is that they were stopped about 3 blocks away from the store where the cigars were forcibly taken from. Since they probably did not take a big detour, this was about 3 to 5 minutes (I don’t know what the length of these blocks were) after the theft.

    They were stopped for the Missouri equivalent of jaywalking. There were walking in the middle of the street. This may not have been as stupid or arrogant as it may sound for perhaps the area was not completely paved on both sides.

    Darren Wilson told them to get on to the sidewalk, and they did, and he drove away, or started to. he did not attempt to arrest them, or even give them a summons.

    One of the them was carrying abox of cigars, but that didn’t mean anything to the policeman at the time.

    Then, (according to an report by an anonymous friend of the family) the report came in about the robbery. It occured to Darren wilson that these two people had a high probability of being the robbers.

    After that it is not so clear what happened, but we have a version too from a caller to the Dana Loesch show.

    Wilson smmoned them to his police car. He attempted to get out, but one of them slammed the door shut. That didn’t work too well, and at some point there was struggle for the gun, and one gunshot went off within the car.

    At some point Michael Brown began running away, but later turned around and started walking toward the policeman. The detail that he had his hands up was probably invented by Al Sharpton, who had the actual facts from the other man involved in the theft, who apparently got away.

    It could be that the policeman did not know what to do. He probably fired at him.

    Michael Brown’s body lay in the street undicturbed and uncovered, for several hours.

    What is clear is that this kind of incident is what can happen when you have one-man patrol cars.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  65. Al Sharpton and company are complaining about what a terrible thing it was to release the video.

    Its been reported that the Department of Justice was against that (that’s Eric Holder) but the Ferguson police chief said they had Missouri freedom of information requests out (did someone know about the robbery?) and they didn’t know how long they could delay this.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95)

  66. 48. 49. I heard it last night I think, and here’s another link:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/michael-brown-shooting/feds-urged-police-not-release-michael-brown-robbery-video-n182346

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  67. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2726609/Stores-looted-including-one-slain-teen-Michael-Brown-allegedly-stole-cigars-sixth-night-confrontation-Ferguson-St-Louis-police-ordered-stand-Highway-Patrol.html

    There were walking in the middle of the street. This may not have been as stupid or arrogant as it may sound for perhaps the area was not completely paved on both sides.

    That’s a sidewalk you see in this photo.

    Art Deco (ee8de5)

  68. 54. MD in Philly (f9371b) — 8/16/2014 @ 1:35 pm

    I heard said that the Brown’s family attorney is the same as Treyvon Martin’s family.

    Yes, he is. Benjamin Crump.

    This is his version of how he got involved:

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/15/benjamin-crump-answers-call/14103045/http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/08/15/benjamin-crump-answers-call/14103045

    TALLAHASSEE, Fla. — Civil-rights lawyer Ben Crump didn’t hear right away about the unarmed black teen killed Saturday afternoon in Missouri….The first text message he saw was from a staff member in his office, Dazi Lenoir. He could tell she was distraught.

    She was telling him about a cousin whom a police officer outside St. Louis had shot.

    Then came a message from Tracy Martin, father of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed 16-year-old shot to death in Sanford, Fla., in 2012. Crump had represented the Martin family in the prominent case that increased Crump’s national profile.

    “They need you,” said Martin, a St. Louis native with relatives who knew the family of Michael Brown, 18. Brown was scheduled to start technical college Monday.

    I just wonder if these people really were related, or if there some other (organized crime) connection.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  69. Md: Since I always believe content from Patterico (and doubt it from about everywhere else),
    let me get this straight,

    the witness who claimed Brown had his hands up in the air surrendering is also the partner in the robbery?

    Yes indeed.

    a passenger in the car that ran the red light hopped out of the far side of the car and then acted as if they had been a pedestrian who had witnessed the accident.

    I would guess that maybe that was not the first accident the driver of the car was involved in, so there was time to plot a strategy for the next one.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  70. 67. Art Deco (ee8de5) — 8/17/2014 @ 9:39 am

    That’s a sidewalk you see in this photo.

    No, I mean that the street may not have been continuously paved for blocks on both sides. That sort of thing will get people to walk in the middle of the street. But I know nothing really.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  71. 69. Art Deco (ee8de5) — 8/17/2014 @ 9:44 am

    What do they have there, a narrow strip of sidewalk, that you’d almost have to walk in single file?

    On both sides of the street, but one Belgian paving block wide in both cases.

    I’m not seeing any blood on his shirt, just the pavement.

    I can’t really discern anything.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  72. 65. Al Sharpton and company are complaining about what a terrible thing it was to release the video.

    Sammy Finkelman (dbec95) — 8/17/2014 @ 9:28 am

    It is just flat racist to do anything Al Sharpton doesn’t like.

    Resist, we much!

    Steve57 (5f6c2a)

  73. ropelight @ 62 the soon to be deposed David Gregory </I.

    He's already been deposed.

    They are not going to let him back on the air, on the set, for fear of another Ann Curry moment.

    Andrea Mitchell said his good-bye for him:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/andrea-mitchell-reflects-david-gregorys-time-mtp-moderator-n182546

    Nixon’s fully in cahoots with AG Eric Holder,

    He’s a Democrat.

    bring in the county police (it was actually the Highway Patrol),

    First, I think, it was the county police (brought in by Ferguson police Thomas Jackson)
    then the Governor brought in the highway patrol, but only for crowd control. Detectives from St. Louis are investigating the homicide.

    Andrea Mitchell on NBC paraphrased: What justifies releasing that video about the convenience store while there are still no details about what happened at the shooting itself?

    They had to get some of the truth out there, and release was overdue, and the matter no longer was under investigation.

    But as far as the shooting is concerned, the facts are much more uncertain, and the Ferguson police department is not in charge of the investigation. Theer are only 53 members on the force for a population of 21,000. That would like 20,000 or so in New York, proportionately.

    I wonder just what got the Ferguson police chief to imply the stop was irrelevant to the robbery.

    It seems there were two stops, not one, possibly separated only by seconds, although maybe it was longer. The first one before Darren Wilson heard the report about the robbery, and the second one afterwards.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  74. For what it’s worth:

    According to (Brown’s accomplice in the robbery and eye witness to the shooting) Dorian Johnson, the two were walking in the street when Officer Wilson drove up in his patrol car and told them to get out of the street and on the sidewalk. Then as Wilson was pulling away, he stopped, and reversed direction backing up very close to Brown and Johnson, so close that Wilson was unable to exit the car because Brown blocked the door from opening.

    Johnson went on to claim Wilson, unable to get out of his car, reached out and grabbed Brown by the throat and tried to pull him through the open driver’s side window. A fight erupted and Johnson heard a gun shot followed by a bloody Brown attempting to get away.

    ropelight (dcda91)

  75. No, I mean that the street may not have been continuously paved for blocks on both sides. That sort of thing will get people to walk in the middle of the street. But I know nothing really.

    So why are you looking for reasons why they would be walking in the middle of the road, when it’s adequately explained by the most obvious reason: that they were punks?

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  76. Punks don’t want to get hit by cars, either. And I don’t think they thought they could intimidate cars.

    It looks like the reason might have bene the strip of sidewalk was narrow. Ordinary people maybe would have walked one behind the other, but if traffic was low, I don’t know. People walk in the middle of the street during a snowstorm.

    Sammy Finkelman (31cdef)

  77. “Well, well. So much for another media narrative of the innocent young man being gunned down for no reason:”

    The cop didn’t know about the robbery.

    nosp (9a2828)

  78. Punks don’t want to get hit by cars, either. And I don’t think they thought they could intimidate cars.

    Punks walk in the middle of the road all the time. They’re not afraid of getting hit, because they know the cars will slow down and go around them. They know drivers aren’t going to deliberately hit them. And yes, they do it as a form of aggression, just like the loud music they play.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  79. The cop didn’t know about the robbery.

    So what?

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  80. This report seems to get lost, but both what the Fergsuon Police chief said late Friday afternoon, and what a caller to the dana Loesch show, claiming to know Officer Wilson’s family said, indicate that the officer heard the report of the robbery in his police car after he had first interacted with the two.

    Of courese that’s not too relevant. The officer apparently did not get a chance to even mention the robbery, but the struggle started before, and it’s what happened there that’s important, not hat happened at Ferguson Market and Liquors, which was, after all, an unarmed robbery of a single box of cigars.

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  81. Tumbler posting of the @theepharoah tweets (they give a time of one hour later, that is Eastern time)

    http://razeau.tumblr.com/post/95103647813/deadlylittlekate-congenitalprogramming

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)

  82. Tweet stream of @theepharoah (or Bruh) is contained here

    (National Review’s the Corner from Rolling Stone)

    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/385524/ferguson-neighbor-may-have-live-tweeted-michael-browns-death-ian-tuttle

    Sammy Finkelman (3ba0b7)


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