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8/6/2014

Hamas Had Plans

Filed under: General — Dana @ 7:01 am

[guest post by Dana]

Way to ruin the holidays, Israel:

Multiple media outlets report that Hamas’s offensive tunnel network – now known to have been composed of over forty attack tunnels dug underneath Israel’s border with the Hamas-controlled Gaza Strip – was set to be activated during the Jewish High Holidays (September 24th) as a mass terror attack.

The attack was meant to generate as many as ten thousand casualties, men, women and particularly children and hundreds of captives. Explosives were particularly placed underneath kindergartens to make certain that these “institutions” would be the first struck, even before any thing else.

The IDF recently published the below map showing that tunnels were created in pairs, to empty out on both sides of nearby communities. The known cost of the infrastructure – each tunnel costs upward of some $1 million – clearly shows that Hamas was planning a coordinated mega-attack. It must be understood that use of even one tunnel would inevitably trigger Israeli retaliation against the entire network.

Revelations regarding the planned tunnel attack magnitude played a decisive role in the Israeli government’s rejection of a ceasefire proposed late Friday by Secretary of State John Kerry.

Further, it is being reported that Sunday’s Gaza school attack was staged:

“The account promoted by Hamas and repeated by the United States and the U.N. on Sunday was that an Israeli mortar hit a U.N. school, killing 10 people, including children. However, evidence is emerging that the Israeli strike hit outside of the school and the bodies were moved into the courtyard to make it look like Israel hit the school.”

Video at the link above. Note:

In the video, two dead men are photographed outside the school, but later images show them inside school grounds, suggesting their bodies had been moved or they weren’t really dead. A little girl then appears apparently lying dead and covered in blood, but pictures indicate she was placed there. Then another man picks her up and runs away from the school with her in his arms. We never see where he takes her or whether she is really dead.

–Dana

33 Responses to “Hamas Had Plans”

  1. “Sunday’s Gaza school attack was staged”

    Cue Israel’s foremost supporter, Geraldo!, for his apology.

    gary gulrud (46ca75)

  2. Any one who believes Hamas censored propaganda-casts is the definition of an IDIOT!!!

    PCD (39058b)

  3. Hamas has put up signs – billboards – in Gaza, according to the New York Times, one of them showing a group of fighters and a tunnel with the words “Tunnels of Glory” and “Passages to Arrive in Jerusalem” but that’s not what the tunnels were for.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  4. Another War Crime for Israel; dashing the blood thirsty hopes of the
    Peace loving people of palestine.

    *snerk*

    (According to UN guidelines, the existence of Israel is an automatic
    War crime.)

    jakee308 (e090f6)

  5. There was an attack, but it was on 3 men on a motorcycle in the street, and nothing at all fell within the neutral, protected area of the school. Hamas later created misleading pictures..

    That is not to say that a lot of non-combatants did not get killed.

    They got killed because of Hamas treachery, like telling people and broadcasting that the Israeli leaflets dropped on Shejaiya were only psychological warfare, and, knowing some places were likely to become targets, for whatever reason, telling people to go there for safety; Hamas rockets that fell back into Gaza, and local ordnance like rocket propelled grenades and mortars, and secondary explosions from stored rockets that Israel hit, but also because Israel had the practice of destroying places that had been used as a base of operations, often homes, without warning, on the rather doctrinaire grounds that you should hit “command and control” centers, but the problem was, it wasn’t really, and they didn’t continue to use one place, but there was the military doctriene that there had to be such places. These were precision hits, but precision hits that often killed half a dozen people for every real target. And sometimes apartment buildings in central Gaza weer hit.

    The dead also include people killed by Hamas as collaborators, but attributed to Israel, and victims of private crimes.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  6. jakee308 (e090f6) — 8/6/2014 @ 7:44 am

    (According to UN guidelines, the existence of Israel is an automatic
    War crime.)

    Actually the firing of these rockets is, which they occasionally remember.

    Sammy Finkelman (4eddd7)

  7. I’m surprised Muslims haven’t accused Israel of building the tunnels.

    creeper (545a20)

  8. It is almost as if Hamas is as honest as Obama.

    Dejectedhead (a094a6)

  9. in re:Dejectedhead (ao94a6)

    Dead on the money!

    Bill M (906260)

  10. The morons who blame Israel for “civilian” deaths in Gaza would have blamed the Allies for civilian deaths in Berlin circa 1944.

    C. S. P. Schofield (e8b801)

  11. “The morons who blame Israel for “civilian” deaths in Gaza would have blamed the Allies for civilian deaths in Berlin circa 1944.”

    C. S. P. Schofield – You mean after the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  12. Somebody is screwing with Hamas’ plans.

    More claims of divine intervention are being reported in the ongoing conflict between Israel and Hamas, with an operator of Israel’s Iron Dome missile-defense system saying he personally witnessed “the hand of God” diverting an incoming rocket out of harm’s way.

    Israel Today translated a report from a Hebrew-language news site, which noted the Iron Dome battery failed three times to intercept an incoming rocket headed toward Tel Aviv last week.

    …“Suddenly, Iron Dome (which calculates wind speeds, among other things) shows a major wind coming from the east, a strong wind that … sends the missile into the sea. We were all stunned. I stood up and shouted, ‘There is a God!’

    It was a partial quote from Barbara Ordman, who lives in Ma’ale Adumim on the West Bank.

    Her exact quotation was: “As one of the terrorists from Gaza was reported to say when asked why they couldn’t aim their rockets more effectively: “We do aim them, but their God changes their path in mid-air.”

    Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/08/hand-of-god-sent-missile-into-sea/#eEHPlsCPGq5lp8sb.99

    Steve57 (ba12a7)

  13. There’s a link to the Hebrew language report in the article. I realize WND isn’t trusted by a lot of people (I’m one of them; but I will use them just to point me somewhere else), and I have no idea if the Israeli source is their version of The Onion or not.

    http://www.kooker.co.il

    Sill, I liked the story. I hope it’s true.

    Steve57 (ba12a7)

  14. don’t need a Shamus
    to know Hamas full of shlt
    Euros suck it up

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  15. The existence of those tunnels and that plan of attack is proof positive that Netanyahu was right to tell O Bumbles to put his head where the sun don’t shine. Bibi is not listening to Barack these days.

    Skeptical Voter (12e67d)

  16. Hamas and the Palestinians in general ought to be very glad that attack never happened. The response would have been biblical and there would have been no Palestinians within greater Israel a fortnight later.

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  17. “dead” kids rise and walk
    Teh Miracle in Gaza
    shameless sand hucksters

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  18. John Kerry is having his duty picked up by the boston globe.

    mg (31009b)

  19. Obama has “no sympathy for Hamas” or their “irresponsible” behavior…
    feckless, clueless, narcissistic ne’er-do-well that he is…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  20. It is a crazy world when the documentation of Hamas’ treachery is so obvious in so many ways and so many in the world continue to fuss at Israel.

    “As one of the terrorists from Gaza was reported to say when asked why they couldn’t aim their rockets more effectively: “We do aim them, but their God changes their path in mid-air.”
    Maybe that’s a hint to back-off.
    But I guess it didn’t work for Pharaoh.

    MD in Philly (f9371b)

  21. Or, let Whoopi explain: “you decide to hit a guy… and he hits you back then you can not be surprised.”

    Kevin M (b357ee)

  22. o/t

    I just bought a new laptop and downloaded pale moon. Does anyone have the link to the page that tells you how to fumigate it so sites know it’s not Firefox?

    Thanks in advance.

    Steve57 (ba12a7)

  23. a search for palemoon browser user agent shows
    http://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1969
    “easily done by setting general.useragent.compatMode.firefox to false”
    (which would be a setting in about:config).

    Ibidem (a598c4)

  24. “Explosives were particularly placed underneath kindergartens to make certain that these “institutions” would be the first struck, even before any thing else.”

    I have a problem with this sentence or perhaps my interpretation. Is it “were to be particularly placed” or did they actually find the explosives? I’m going with the information obtained called for this sick tactic to be utilized.

    G (aaca7b)

  25. Thanks, Ibidem. Problem solved in like 15 seconds.

    Steve57 (ba12a7)

  26. The claim that the attack was to take place on Rosh Hashana seems to be rather poorly sourced. Apparently it all comes from one report in Maariv that everyone else then quoted.

    The idea that they were going to attack kindergartens kind of goes against that, because kindergartens would be closed on Rosh Hashana. Some would be being used as synagogues, so there would be people there, but not many kinder-aged children. If their plan was specifically to go after kinder-aged children then they must have intended to attack on a day when schools are open.

    The wind story is also very poorly sourced. I mean, why is everyone quoting this Barbara Ordman about what a Hamas terrorist said; she’s nobody special, and the only possible way she could know such a thing would be if it was in a news report, so why not track that report down and cite it? It’s poor journalism at best.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  27. Milhouse @28.

    28.The claim that the attack was to take place on Rosh Hashana seems to be rather poorly sourced. Apparently it all comes from one report in Maariv that everyone else then quoted.

    The idea that they were going to attack kindergartens kind of goes against that, because kindergartens would be closed on Rosh Hashana. Some would be being used as synagogues, so there would be people there, but not many kinder-aged children. If their plan was specifically to go after kinder-aged children then they must have intended to attack on a day when schools are open.

    I think this is actually a combination of two reports.

    The basis for saying they wanted to attack kindergartens is the fact that one or more tunnels ended up near a kindergarten.

    The basis for saying an attack was to take place around or on Rosh Hashonah was apparently what one or more captured Hamas people said – but there is no reason to believe that Hamas would tell its more low ranking operatives the truth. This is, at most, a cover story Hamas told its own people.

    When it got close to anything, then they’d change the orders, if they gave any orders at all anyway like this.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  28. The only stories about divine intervention I read was something like: People were sending packages of food to soldeiers. One religious family asked that the soldiers getting it make a brachah before eating (like we are supposed to – that’s why they asked – they didn’t want to be responsible for someone eating without saying a blessing) The soldier who opened the package did not know what was the right brachaha (blessing) to say for that type of food, so he went over to a religious soldier to ask.

    While he was gone, a round of something or other came in to where he was staying before.

    Sammy Finkelman (d22d64)

  29. Sammy, that’s a new version of a story that has been doing the rounds since at least WW2 (that I know of; it might even be older than that). The version I’ve seen most often has the soldier moving away from his unit to find water to wash his hands, and his unit gets hit while he’s away. I’ve personally seen that version in a magazine for Jewish children published during the Korean war, but I’ve seen second-hand reports of it dating to WW2. Maybe it really happened once, and all the later versions derive from that true incident. Or maybe not.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  30. There’s a link to the Hebrew language report in the article. I realize WND isn’t trusted by a lot of people (I’m one of them; but I will use them just to point me somewhere else), and I have no idea if the Israeli source is their version of The Onion or not.

    http://www.kooker.co.il

    Sill, I liked the story. I hope it’s true.

    The Kooker story is here, but it has no more details than the email that did the rounds two weeks ago. No sources are quoted, nobody is named, no date is given, nothing that can be checked. Of course this could be because of security, but it could also be because it’s BS. It’s the same problem as news reports in the US that are attributed to anonymous sources; how do we know they exist, let alone that they’re telling the truth? Anyone remember Capital Blue and its downfall?

    I take more or less the same position on miracles as what I understand to be the Catholic Church’s: a firm belief that miracles can and do happen, together with firm scepticism of any specific report of a miracle happening. Open miracles happen, but they’re rare, and they’re very easy to make up, so any specific report is more likely to be fabricated than real.

    There’s a popular saying about stories of the Baal Shem Tov: Whoever believes none of them is a heretic, but whoever believes all of them is a fool. He existed, and he did perform open, unexplainable miracles. There are first-hand reports from credible sources about them. But as he became the stuff of legend, many more stories were made up about him, and sorting them out from the true ones can be difficult. He didn’t live long enough for all the stories to be true, and some of them contradict each other. Best to stick to the few that have credible sources, and be sceptical of all the rest.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)

  31. And now a Catholic archbishop in Gaza confirms that Hamas used his church as a missile launch site, thus turning it into a legitimate military target. Had Israel blown up this church it would have been 100% justified, and yet you can be sure the Vatican would denounce it as if it were the biggest atrocity in the world.

    Milhouse (9d71c3)


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