In regard to potential prosecution of the press for the disclosure of material. This is not something I’ve ever been involved in, heard of, or would think would be wise policy.
Says the guy who approved search warrants investigating James Rosen for disclosure of material.
D’oh!
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Will he resign this afternoon, before the holiday weekend?
Patricia (be0117) — 5/24/2013 @ 11:51 amHey, the Senate wouldn’t be in Session for three days because of the long weekend, so would Obama be able to use a recess appointment?
LibraryGryffon (06c781) — 5/24/2013 @ 11:54 amAP is reporting that Obama, upon being told Holder lied under oath, has decided to award Holder the Presidential Medal of Freedom before he leaves on vacation with Michelle and the girls.
cedarhill (e872d5) — 5/24/2013 @ 11:55 amDog bites man. What would have been more surprising is if Holder had not lied under oath. Alas, post-Chicago ’68 Democrats are so off the rails on a crazy train they’d fight you tooth and nail about this item, twisting, parsing, nitpicking, downplaying, rationalizing, transferring and projecting their ways into knots. And young, ADHD liberals are so retarded they’d figure out a way to blame Bush and Republicans for this fiasco. Seriously. In any case, let’s not be so cocooned and naive in our own respects that we fail to realize this won’t go anywhere. Holder is black liberal Democrat. Different rules are applicable. And his political tribe controls the national mass media. So virtually nobody on Main St. will know about it. Welcome to the de facto banana republic that is America.
William Scalia (4fc30a) — 5/24/2013 @ 11:56 amIrrelevant, he’s a Progressive Democrat.
askeptic (b8ab92) — 5/24/2013 @ 12:04 pmEric Holder tells a lot of lies even when he is not under oath.
Elephant Stone (6a6f37) — 5/24/2013 @ 12:13 pmI’m sure he’ll prosecute himself immediately.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 5/24/2013 @ 12:33 pmEveryone knows that self-righteous progressives can’t lie.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 5/24/2013 @ 12:56 pmEric Holder – the Democrats’ bagman – is a congenital liar. He should have been impeached years ago.
SPQR (768505) — 5/24/2013 @ 1:09 pmThen he’d be elected to congress.
Rob Crawford (e6f27f) — 5/24/2013 @ 1:13 pmBetter a Congressman who lies to his constituents every two years than an AG who lies to Judges and Congress. In Congress he’ll be right at home.
glenn (647d76) — 5/24/2013 @ 1:51 pmIt depends on your definition of what “involved in” means.
AZ Bob (7d2a2c) — 5/24/2013 @ 1:55 pmIt’ll be like FnF, where he said he didn’t know until a couple of weeks ago, but had made comments about it earlier and knowing about it months before.
jb (169a0b) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:21 pmA consummate liar, who is bound to yell “you are unworthy” at his questioners for bringing up logical points. The guy is — literally — insane.
This is a much more elaborate subterfuge.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:22 pmQuick, this calls for an immediate pleading of the Fifth!
Icy (a5584f) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:31 pmWhich time?
In getting the warrant or testifying before Congress?
Former Conservative (4d93c6) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:47 pmEither one. Or both.
Milhouse (3d0df0) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:49 pmjb, he’s actually not a consummate liar. He’s not very good at lying, which is a surprise given his practice at it.
He’s just brazen and allowed to get away with it.
SPQR (768505) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:50 pmUNPOSSIBLE!
mojo (8096f2) — 5/24/2013 @ 2:52 pmGive them this much: Every day that goes by, they become just a little bit more transparent.
Icy (a5584f) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:00 pmThe offsetting lies — that he did, that he didn’t — cancel, producing a net of no lie, so he gets a free drop within two club lengths, not closer to the hole.
htom (412a17) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:01 pmAny chance something will actually come of this?
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:02 pmI don’t agree that Holder should have been impeached months ago. He never should have been confirmed. He pulled the exact same stunt during those hearings. As Assistant AG he did an end run around proper procedure to get Clinton to pardon Mark Rich on the sly. He claimed ignorance after he was challenged about it. He claimed had he known more about Rich he never would have pushed for his pardon. Which is a verifiable lie. As Assistant AG he was in charge of a case against one of Rich’s subsidiaries precisely because Rich was a fugitive. Holder knew every detail of Rich’s criminality.
Steve57 (491b08) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:19 pmPresident know where man will pardon Holder by the a.m.
mg (31009b) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:21 pmWith Holder, the old adage, “You can tell he’s lying, his lips are moving,” is demonstrated for all with eyes to see. Unfortunately, the MSM left their glasses at home, they don’t eat carrots, and they make the Three Blind Mice seem like they were blessed with sight as acute an an electron microscope.
Bill M (e0a4e5) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:31 pmwhy are you racists so interested
redc1c4 (403dff) — 5/24/2013 @ 3:52 pmin this nontroversy?
Can I just say, this is the explicit flaw with the illusion called “authority”? Who will investigate his criminal acts? Himself? He’s the highest law enforcer in the country. Who is policing the police? No one, that’s who.
Philip Zimbardo proved that it doesn’t take long for ordinary people to abuse authority. Either the law applies to all, or the law applies to none. And seeing as how absolutely NO ONE will see the inside of a jail cell, then their laws don’t apply to us either.
It’s defacto anarchy. Might as well embrace it.
Ghost (2d8874) — 5/24/2013 @ 4:20 pmQuery for the abogados: Can POTUS dispense blanket pardons? Do they extend to civil suits?
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 5/24/2013 @ 4:36 pmSemantics….
Recall that according to his boss, Fox is not a ‘real news agency’. As well, Fox doesn’t print anything – so they’re not “press”. And finally, they didn’t intend to prosecute him. So, technically, in hindsight, it’s not a lie.
Now, I think we’d be safe in presuming that’s not what he had in mind when he offered up that statement.
Dilligas (cc8ddb) — 5/24/2013 @ 5:02 pmRecall that according to his boss, Fox is not a ‘real news agency’. As well, Fox doesn’t print anything – so they’re not “press”. And finally, they didn’t intend to prosecute him. So, technically, in hindsight, it’s not a lie.
Pure genius. Did you work in the Clinton Administration?
JVW (23867e) — 5/24/2013 @ 5:26 pmBeing a Chicago native, the only thing that surprises me less than Holder’s blatant disregard for the truth is the notion that this was completely ignored by the MSM tonight.
My larger concern is the Obama’s legacy. Much like Sir Attenborough’s whitewashing of Ghandi, OFA now exists primarily to ensure that il Douche be regarded by history as a saintly, transformative figure.
Our goal, therefore, should be to ensure that in the years to come, he is no more respected than any Cicero mayor or Illinois governor in the last 20 years.
Obama will not be impeached, but as long as we refuse to allow him to be annointed by history and relentlessly associate him with Nixon, I’ll be happy to welcome him back to this shithole of a city with a giant loogie aimed directly at his feet.
My Sharia Moor (7ede7d) — 5/24/2013 @ 5:27 pmI don’t agree that Holder should have been impeached months ago. He never should have been confirmed.
One of the worst things about the Holder confirmation was the parade of Republican beltway career lawyers who vouched for the fact that Holder was a really good guy — you know, one of the gang. It’s that DC mentality that is wrecking the country.
Just as when the debacle of Alberto Gonzales came to a conclusion and the Democrats demanded that Michael Mukasey be appointed AG, so should the GOP insist that the next AG have absolutely no affiliation with the Obama campaign, the DNC, or any of the liberal interest groups.
JVW (23867e) — 5/24/2013 @ 5:30 pmToensing and DeGenova among them, sadly.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/24/2013 @ 5:35 pmHolder is supposed to be honest 100% of the time? That doesn’t seem fair. Shouldn’t 90% be enough? As measured by Holder, himself, that is.
East Bay Jay (a5dac7) — 5/24/2013 @ 6:51 pmShould we just start calling it, the Department of Injustice ?
Elephant Stone (6a4946) — 5/24/2013 @ 7:21 pm“At this Point what difference does it make”
Hillary Clinton
glenn (647d76) — 5/24/2013 @ 7:23 pmI’d settle for him being honest 75% of the time, instead of the current 3.27% he’s been running.
Bill M (c8f413) — 5/24/2013 @ 7:32 pmThe Department of Just stinks.
Gus (694db4) — 5/24/2013 @ 7:51 pmEnough of this crap.
I’m out as of 5/31.
Bill Shipley
shipwreckedcrew (4ae072) — 5/24/2013 @ 8:01 pmSoon to be former AUSA.
JVW @31 is exactly right. GOP insiders vouched for and confirned Holder. They had to know he was lying when he said he didn’t know much about Rich. Too many other DC insiders knew ezactly what cases Holder was working at Clinton’s DOJ. But they gave him a pass and even praised him. It’s the pattern of the establishment GOP; they turn a blind eye to a lot. For instance at least one GOP rep had evidence the IRS was lying to Congress by mid 2012. The IRS responded to an inquiry she made on behalf of some of her constituents trying to form a 501(c)(3). They told her the IRS did not ask about specific individuals even the targeted gave gave her the list of IRS questions in which they asked about at least one person by name. The congresswoman even included the list in her inquiry to the IRS and they still lied to her when they knew she had the proof. The House GOP could have made that an issue before the election but chose not to. One wonders how serious the usual suspects are about their investigations. I’m with Cruz. I don’t trust the GOP.
Steve57 (d656e1) — 5/24/2013 @ 9:45 pmthat means you were an assistant united states attorney now you are going to retire yes?
i want to retire
i want to retire really bad
but magic 8 ball says lol
but it’s just a stupid plastic ball filled with water with blue food coloring and whatever – it’s not the boss of me
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/24/2013 @ 9:46 pmOh, grow up!
Don’t you know how these people parse and spin? You aren’t going to catch Holder that easy: his approval of the Rosen warrants as “potential co-conspirator” was over the leaking, NOT “publishing” the info. Holder said he had no knowledge of prosecution for “publishing.”
So as usual, he answered a question that wasn’t asked, and phrases the answer so as to mislead as completely as possibly BUT retaining “parsability” if called on it.
Estragon (19fa04) — 5/24/2013 @ 10:29 pmhappyfeet and President Obama have a lot in common.
Nobody ever tells either of them anything.
Icy (19a3b8) — 5/24/2013 @ 10:40 pmyou can tells us apart though cause of I’m the one with a healthy respect for individual liberty and personal freedom whereas he’s the fascist job-raper what hates america
happyfeet (8ce051) — 5/24/2013 @ 10:54 pm41. We’ve moved out of the ‘must catch legal size and limit’ phase.
Everything really is political now. There will be no movement toward bicameral conciliation until some sorting out occurs on all of the outstanding scandals.
Why? Because Sugar Daddy is tapping out and the Left is beginning to find unity in their unhappiness.
We’ve another budget fight in the fall and nothing, zilch, nada will happen before then with worsening fiscal health for everyone outside government for the interim.
I was just up north a couple hours south of Canada. The leaves are just starting to come out. Wheat harvest will suck here, Canada, Australia, Egypt,…
Oil is up despite demand being down 5%. Retail, Construction, Manufacturing, Technology, Financials are all contracting. Congress is talking cuts to Food Stamps and entitlements anyway, but the only pressure to exert on lawless WH is via appropriations.
Cities will start burning this summer. Congress will find some unity in impeachments.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 5/24/2013 @ 10:59 pmComment by shipwreckedcrew (4ae072) — 5/24/2013 @ 8:01 pm
Thank you for your service.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 5/25/2013 @ 12:33 amWhen does the book come out? 😉
That’s how they roll.
My Sharia Moor (7ede7d) — 5/25/2013 @ 4:50 amSomething else is going on guys. Even Eric Holder wouldn’t tell a barefaced lie under oath if he thought there was a chance it would cause him problems. And in spite of, or maybe because of, targeting James Rosen and Fox News the media is still on the reservation. Nobody is reporting the story.
glenn (647d76) — 5/25/2013 @ 8:39 amHolder knows better than most that a presidential pardon in the future allows him to do or say anything now. It’s the retrocausality effect.
Justice has been voted out of office, and Holder has been appointed in her place.
Amphipolis (e01538) — 5/25/2013 @ 2:11 pmHolder doesn’t need to be under oath to lie. Lying is his preferred method. That’s just the way he rolls.
Comanche Voter (29e1a6) — 5/25/2013 @ 10:13 pmEstragon @41, that dog won’t hunt. To claim there was probabable cause to suspect Rosen violated the Espionage Act the government has to demonstrate not only that he asked for the information, but that he also had a reason to believe unauthorized disclosure would harm US national security AND he willfully transmitted anyway. Which in this case means publishing. Holder simply can’t parse it that closely. Holder simply lied under oath confidant there would be no consequences. As a matter of fact it’s safe to say at this point that Holder was simply executing Obama’s policy. That’s the only reason Obama is leaving Holder in charge of the investigation into the DoJ’s actions. Holder is Obama’s man and will find nothing wrong with Obama’s desired course of action.
Steve57 (7c90f3) — 5/26/2013 @ 2:12 pmThe warrant of Rosen’s information isn’t a prosecution of Rosen. It just said there was probable cause for him being an aider and abettor to Kim’s disclosure — not for his publication.
nickc (b8ba7b) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:10 pmnickc, repeating the pathetic defense of Eric Holder is pretty lame.
SPQR (768505) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:31 pmHe doesn’t get a copy of the home game, or the case of Ricearoni.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:32 pmYou don’t need to accuse a person of being a co-conspirator to obtain evidence in his possession of a crime committed by another. “Inartfully drawn” affidavit? Maybe.
nk (875f57) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:45 pmIt was a fishing expedition whereas the ones who leaked the TSP like Tamm, and other, were never prosecuted, one CIA official was allowed to plead to 2 1/3 years, that’s 1/3 as long as Schwartz’s plea bargain.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/26/2013 @ 10:26 pmnk, was it also “inartfully drawn” when the government argued the search warrant needed to be kept secret because they might want to find out who Rosen would talk to in the future?
Steve57 (ac417f) — 5/27/2013 @ 1:23 am“You don’t need to accuse a person of being a co-conspirator to obtain evidence in his possession of a crime committed by another”
It’s not an accusation. It’s a statement that there is probable cause. And in the case of a reporter, you do need that in there under certain circumstances. See the Privacy Protection Act.
nickc (221431) — 5/27/2013 @ 6:23 amIsn’t it curious, how the modern age of journalism was predicated on lies;
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2012/05/why-bradleegate-matters-woodward-and-bernsteins-deception/257487/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 6:40 amAnd this did come up indirectly,
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/39693850/ns/us_news-security/#.UaGBOJyXT4g
doublestandards
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 6:50 amhttp://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/05/breaking-holder-doj-went-judge-shopping-to-three-different-judges-armed-with-criminal-warrants-for-james-rosen/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 8:02 amComment by nickc (b8ba7b) — 5/26/2013 @ 8:10 pm
Holder didn’t testify about going through with a prosecution. He said he wouldn’t be a part of a “potential prosecution.” And that potentiality was required to aver the contents of the affidavit and requests to keep it secret from Rosen.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/27/2013 @ 8:57 amIn other words you aren’t even parsing. You are flat redacting his testimony.
SarahW (b0e533) — 5/27/2013 @ 8:58 amYou would think, SarahW, that three years later, they would be able to dredge up some asset that they could depict as compromised.
narciso (3fec35) — 5/27/2013 @ 9:01 am“And that potentiality was required to aver the contents of the affidavit and requests to keep it secret from Rosen.”
No, it’s not required. What’s required is probable cause. Which is different than there being a potential prosecution.
nickc (7847eb) — 5/27/2013 @ 10:06 amnick, if the DoJ is telling a judge there is sufficient probable cause to issue a search warrant, that means there is a potential prosecution. It’s axiomatic. The DoJ accused Rosen of being an aider, abettor, and possibly a co-conspirator, to get the warrant. That means they convinced a judge there would be at least the potential for a prosecution.
Steve57 (9b1cdb) — 5/28/2013 @ 8:42 amSomething is missing here, it appears. Where is the requirement of “knowledge”? It was recently mentioned, but not adequately.
Start with the source inside the government: he or she would need to have access to secret information, and pass that information along to the reporter, knowing that the reporter was not cleared to have such information, and possibly know that the reporter would pass the information along. The government insider is in violation of all kinds of security laws, most likely.
The reporter would have to know that the information he recently came into possession of was of a truly confidential nature. I am not sure that even knowing that he had just been given, illegally given, information means that the reporter is in violation of any law. If – IF – the reporter knows the information is secret stuff and publishes it anyway, he is probably in deep s**t.
If the reporter contacted his source and asked something like “What’s up? I’m on a deadline, any good stuff to build a story around?” The source gives him some hot information. The reporter starts building a story around it… not knowing that it is actually a super-secret, only thinking that he about to scoop the competition. I would think the actual violation is on the source who gave out the information not the reporter for using it.
Could someone who actually knows this stuff speak to it?
gramps (13e453) — 5/28/2013 @ 8:08 pmNickc’s sophistry is cute.
JD (df45ac) — 5/28/2013 @ 8:11 pmBack in 2010, Woodward printed a whole host of operational information for Obama’s Wars, they didn’t go after him,
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 8:12 pmhttp://twitchy.com/2013/05/28/another-bombshell-ryan-lizza-teases-newly-uncovered-document-in-the-james-rosen-case/
narciso (3fec35) — 5/28/2013 @ 8:15 pm“nick, if the DoJ is telling a judge there is sufficient probable cause to issue a search warrant, that means there is a potential prosecution. It’s axiomatic.”
No, probable cause is required for an indictment, but that’s not the same thing as there being anyone working on a potential investigation — the affidavit was for the investigation of Kim. The first is a conclusion based on facts, the second is what the law enforcement agency is actually doing. For example we can all say there’s probable cause to believe that David Gregory broke DC law on high capacity magazine, but there’s nobody working on a potential investigation.
nick (595f9e) — 5/29/2013 @ 6:37 pm