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9/30/2012

Preview of Univision Piece on Fast and Furious

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 1:32 pm

Via Hot Air.

We’re finally going to get some details on the stories of all the people killed with these guns.

UPDATE: I have removed the video embed after complaints that it was crashing the site. Follow the Hot Air link if you wish to see it.

104 Responses to “Preview of Univision Piece on Fast and Furious”

  1. Ding.

    Patterico (83033d)

  2. Racists.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  3. yup, daleyrocks is right…

    a Latino-centric station attacking two strong black men, Obama & Holder, is obviously racism.

    the FCC should suspend all their broadcasting licenses immediately.

    redc1c4 (403dff)

  4. I wonder how the pardons will be phrased, in mid-January 2013.

    Alasdair (2cd241)

  5. This combined with the Univision interview of Obama makes the mainstream media look weak and anemic. Here’s the networks new motto:

    Univision: Doing the work the other guys refuse to do!

    AZ Bob (1c9631)

  6. It will be interesting to see how the PR wing of the DNC (aka, media) dismiss this reporting by Univision as Racist.

    Horrors, they just might have to cover the issue since it would be “racist” of them to ignore Univisions reportage.

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  7. Comment by AZ Bob — 9/30/2012 @ 2:12 pm

    Exactly. May the American media be exposed for what it is. I think people have joked before about the need for a “Radio Free America”*, perhaps Univision and the Spanish speaking world has come to the rescue.

    I would like to know, for the record, how many guns went to drug cartels through US retail/wholesale/smuggling, how much from weapons sent to Mexican forces that were diverted to crime, and what came from other parts of the world. Not sure if anyone knows.

    Speaking of non-MSM major productions, Glenn Beck was to air (on his new network via Dish) a couple shows about the Muslim Brotherhood’s grand plan or some such. Anyone see it?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  8. Evil Criminal Idiot Genius Chimpy McHitlerburton Bush strikes again.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  9. Oh, the * in my last entry was meant to refer to a footnote concerning the phrase “Radio Free America”. This is a historical allusion for those who remember growing up during the Cold War. Any one out there need the explanation?

    BTW, concerning the Glenn Beck thing:
    http://noisyroom.net/blog/2012/09/30/infiltration-treason-jihad-welcome-to-the-project/

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  10. Another American job outsourced…

    Ghost (2d8874)

  11. For some reason there has been a lot of mutterings about plans for Obama to release the “Blind Sheik” as requested by Morsi of Egypt. I guess as President of the US he can pardon anyone he likes and no one can override it. On the other hand, to grant a pardon to a convicted terrorist, an enemy of the nation, seems almost necessarily an example of treason, giving aid to an enemy of the country.
    Any thoughts?

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  12. @ AD,

    It will be interesting to see how the PR wing of the DNC (aka, media) dismiss this reporting by Univision as Racist.

    Horrors, they just might have to cover the issue since it would be “racist” of them to ignore Univisions reportage.

    Obama’s water carriers certainly find themselves in an interesting conundrum: to remain faithful loyalists, they really must ignore the Univsion report as well as discredit the organization itself; however, they would then run the risk of being called out not just by the usual suspects (Republicans), but also by the Latino community.

    And given the immense time and energy the president has spent winning them over, can he really risk jeopardizing that voting bloc?

    I suspect the media will await further instructions from the WH. Oh to be a fly on the wall of that meeting.

    Dana (292dcf)

  13. Apparently, the paper for Mrs. Saban’s (Univision’s owner) UN position, was not finalized at the time.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  14. Somewhere, I can’t find it now, MD said that he couldn’t say anything in Twitter because of its 140 character limit – and he came in under 100 I think!

    Sammy Finkelman (70f9a1)

  15. Dana, you saw Andrea Mitchell laugh at Charles Krauthammer on television this weekend, right? The MSM has utterly no problem with this administration lying. They think it is okay, and no big deal. When their guy or gal does it, I mean.

    This from people who reported during Watergate.

    I’m getting pretty frightened. Jonah Goldberg was right.

    Simon Jester (9f0654)

  16. I’m sorry: that was the aptly named Nina Totenberg, not Andrea Mitchell. But the kneepads and pom-poms remain the same:

    http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2012/09/29/krauthammer-tells-liberal-pals-pbs-i-can-t-believe-youre-covering-adm

    Simon Jester (9f0654)

  17. MD, in response to your #11, recall the role of Eric Holder in Clinton’s cynical pardons of FALN members when Holder manipulated DOJ recommendations to get around near universal law enforcement opposition to releasing convicted prisoners responsible for over 130 terrorist acts.

    ropelight (867e53)

  18. I heard that Obama appointed Univision’s owner’s wife to some post the other day. Hopefully they didn’t have time to pretty up the video!

    Patricia (e1d89d)

  19. While allowing, and in cases coercing gun stores, to make sales to obvious strawbuyers of guns intended for Mexican drug cartels is bad enough, do not forget that there was no legitimate law enforcement purpose. The operation continued long after all the elements of the crime was observed. The emails we have seen so far show that the purpose was to get significant numbers of traceable guns to show in Mexican crimes – the whole point was to get Mexicans killed with traceable US guns to support a political goal: gun congrol legislation. This was happening at the same time that the Obama administration was lying to the American public about how many US guns were being smuggled to Mexico.

    SPQR (525653)

  20. Frankly, it is past time that article of impeachment were introduced in the House for at least Holder.

    SPQR (525653)

  21. Greetings:

    I found the statement by the hatted Señor that Americans don’t care about what happens outside their borders interesting; like Los Mexicanos were losing siesta time over las drogas y los ilegales that have been pouring into Los Estados Unidos for the last how many years.

    11B40 (fad83e)

  22. Mitt Romney ‏@MittRomney

    “Important fundraising deadline at midnight. Donate $15″ http://t.co/kV102OgE

    Colonel Haiku (39baf4)

  23. RFA will begin broadcasting nightly from a secured location deep in the Idaho Wilderness in 38-days, or never –
    It’s your choice on Nov-6, America!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  24. “Previously Undiscovered” evidence unexpectedly unearthed.

    2009-2012 will go down in American History as the Unexpected Years!

    AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434)

  25. 4. I wonder how the pardons will be phrased, in mid-January 2013.

    Comment by Alasdair — 9/30/2012 @ 1:51 pm

    Wouldn’t it be funny if Obama forgets to sign them as he jets off to do another episode of “the View,” tape “Letterman,” then heads off to a fundraiser with Beyonce, Jay-Z, and “Pimp with a Limp” for his 2016 campaign?

    Steve57 (c8ac21)

  26. I saw that at ABC, too, Narcisco. Thanks for posting the link. How many loyal ABC news watchers had ever even heard of the fast and furious “scandal” before today I wonder. I’ll bet quite a few had not, until ABC sprung this on them kind of out of left field when they realized they could bury it no more.

    The following paragraph from the ABC article is a real corker.

    In Washington, the Fast and Furious scandal became politicized, diverting the attention from the human cost in Mexico to political battles on Capitol Hill. In June, a vote to hold Attorney General Eric Holder in contempt ignored the real tragedy in Mexico.

    Really? Why does ABC think there was a move to hold Holder in contempt in the first place? It was to force the release of information on F&F. It was the American media which basically ignored it in tandem. Not the Republican Congress, or a lot of blogs. Sheryl Atkisson at CBS was the lone reporter who paid any attention to this story.

    elissa (89682b)

  27. Yes, Elissa, just like the statements and actions of Magarief, helped unravel the Benghazi cover story, well that plus CNN’s discovery of Steven’s diaries and finally, Eli Lake’s reporting.

    As with the AQAP bombing plot back in May, the announced story and the truth are often different.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  28. Who cares about sixteen dead Mexicans? Obama gave me a cell phone.

    nk (875f57)

  29. You downloaded a virus along with the video, Patterico, and so did Hot Air. And it uploads itself to anybody who clicks on the post. Maybe my McCaffee can handle it, as a site slower down, but I worry about personal information thief.

    nk (875f57)

  30. If only Romney had the guts, he could turn a ton of hispanics.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  31. Hispanics? So you think Miami Cubans give a mierda about sixteen Mexicans? Hispanics? I suppose he could appeal to the Latin Kings or the Latin Disciples. Hispanics.

    nk (875f57)

  32. NK,

    Hispanics means a very broad thing but, yes, Romney could get plenty of Hispanics to vote for him. Hispanics are fairly conservative and they do believe in the American Dream even if a segment of the population is part of the “47.”

    And not all Hispanics are in gangs nor do I think gang bangers really vote to being with. That gang ref is bizarre to say the least. You may want to explain it further …

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  33. RKS, jealousy that they didn’t get any love from the ATF.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  34. Also NK, Miami Cubans are but a small minority of the Hispanic vote nationally. Also the Cubans born in the USA are not nearly as Conservative as their parents who fled Cuba. That is to say the ratio of the ultra Conservative Cuban to Normal Voter who is a Child of Cubans is dropping.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  35. #35 Huh? I am trying to understand.

    Romney has a chance with Hispanics if he goes out and talks Conservative and not let the media simply deliver snippets which plays poorly.

    I find most Hispanics want to vote Conservative but they view Republicans as not being terribly conservative. At least the Republicans they see in their districts.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  36. I do not like “Hispanic”.

    nk (875f57)

  37. #38. You don’t like Hispanics? Or you don’t like the term Hispanics b/c it is too broad?

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  38. RKS, “Hispanics” vote Democrat because they think they are more conservative than Republicans? If you are trying to make sense, you aren’t.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  39. I believe the reason we got Bush ’43 and not Gore ’43 was Elian Gonzalez?

    Bush v. Gore? Chads? Five thousand vote difference?

    Y, no. No soy Cubano, y no soy Mexicano. Simplemente, no me gusta la palabra ‘Hispanico’ utilizada a describir gentes.

    nk (875f57)

  40. I am neither Mexican nor Cuban. I do not like the word “Hispanic” to describe people. For language, it’s fine.

    (Argentinians are a noble people and they do not laugh at my Puerto Rican. Mexicans are even kinder — if you know only one word of Spanish they will teach you the rest of the language.)

    nk (875f57)

  41. Primero no hay tal palabra como hispano, it’s the reality that groups are counted by national origin
    or commonality, look Univision and ABC is to be credited for looking into this. btw, it was 537 votes, and that was after they explicitly tossed out the military voters, including members of the Cole recovery team,and they called the election,
    before the Panhandle could vote.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  42. Hispanico, but you know what I mean,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  43. And I am only Puerto Rican by adoption. Logan Square, Chicago.

    nk (875f57)

  44. SPQR,

    If you are trying to start a fight you might want to find someone else. I am trying here and your #40 is not something I wrote … but here is my view.

    1. Hispanics don’t view the Republicans they are exposed to as Conservatives.
    2. Hispanic media is moderately liberal.
    3. Democrats have smeared Republicans in much the same way they have done so with Blacks
    4. But Republicans have not done a good job of reaching into these communities beyond Cubans.
    5. If they did, they would find lots of Center-Right Non-Cuban Hispanics who would consider voting (R) because of their Conservative Principles.

    So … Susana Martinez’s comments and speech about how she went (D) to (R) is informative. Take a second read because there are millions like her.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  45. NK,

    It is a useful generalization for my argument.

    See #46.

    Pick whatever segmentation you want for your posts.

    I am nimble enough to “get it.”

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  46. Gracias, narciso, #43.

    nk (875f57)

  47. #43. “Primero no hay tal palabra como hispano”

    http://lema.rae.es/drae/

    They seem to think Hispano is real. If they decide to no accept it then I will join you in the opinion.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  48. RKS, but you did write that essentially. “I find most Hispanics want to vote Conservative but they view Republicans as not being terribly conservative.

    Your comment seems confused. Your explication of it only added to the confusion IMO.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  49. Let me provide an example, tons of Venezuelans and Colombians have arrive in South Florida over the past 20 years …. I can assure you 70% of those arrivals are Conservatives. Argentinians also.

    Where is the Republican Party in these communities? They are not. They keep doubling up their bets on the established Cuban (R) Machine.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  50. Well RS, I would argue with you, how much more left
    the Spanish language media is, say more than ABC,
    (besides this instance) recall they were the one who hired Chelian, CBS, except for Atkinson, and occasionally Jan Crawford and NBC, (I still remember
    when Robert Windrem tried to paint the Elian family
    as some sort of terrorist, and that was a dozen years ago) or both coast’s Times and/or the Boston Globe.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  51. #50, Maybe I did but Republican is not the same as Conservative in my book.

    So saying … “I find most Hispanics want to vote Conservative but they view Republicans as not being terribly conservative” … is perfectly liner.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  52. For crying out bloud, RKS. I had a girlfriend who was Cuban. I had a law partner who was Puerto Rican! We have close family friends from Spain. We had people from Argentina walk around Wrigleyville, with us, on gay night. I DO NOT LIKE THE WORD “HISPANIC” USED TO DESCRIBE PEOPLE. Just say “light n******”.

    nk (875f57)

  53. #52 Do you think Hispanics Media in this Country is as Left as ABC or CBS or NBC?

    I don’t. I have been watching it since I can remember. My father watched the news every night religously and so did I by default.

    They have some pet leftie causes but they are not as demented as the MSM on CBS/NBC/ABC.

    Why do you think Univision actually did the toughest interview with Obama? They actually called him a liar.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  54. RKS, your statement implies that Hispanics find Democrats more conservative. That’s ridiculous. I find your understanding of hispanic voting patterns to be just wrong.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  55. #54. OK. Whatever. Go argue with La Real Academia Espanola.

    BTW, and La Aceademia purposely excluded Iberians from the definition but included all Spanish speakers in the Americans under the term.

    I also know the Argentians and Uruguayans hate being lumped in with anything other than Europeans.

    So use whatever term you want. I can read and understand the nuances. None bother me but I do find the gymnastics some folks go through over it tough to understand.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  56. They follow the template, they are often anti war,
    they don’t any argument about illegal immigration,
    being illegal, but besides this instance, Jose Diaz Balart, got Obama to admit that he ‘didn’t consider
    Egypt an ally,’ and another flagged hime for going back on his immigration promise, that’s more than
    Gregory or Pelley have even tried.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  57. I thought I read that Univision would have English subtitles. There weren’t any.

    PC14 (87cbf8)

  58. “Hablar Hispano” is a variation of “habla espanol”, RKS.

    nk (875f57)

  59. #56

    1. You inferred. I simply stated many Hispanics don’t view Republicans as any more conservative than Democrats. Mostly because Republicans don’t have the guts to go talk Conservative to Hispanics.

    2. “I find your understanding of hispanic voting patterns to be just wrong.” — I never spoke about Hispanic Voting patterns so, not sure what your story is there. You just made that up.

    Again, go to Susana Martinez comments for a story about how little (even well educated Hispanics) are familiar with Conservatism in the Republican party.

    Romney needs to make the case for Conservatism to Hispanics and why (R) is better for them because of it.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  60. Alright, RKS. We’re cool.

    nk (875f57)

  61. #58 Exactly. And now this report.

    Hispanic Media is doing a better job than CBS/NBC/ABC. Always has.

    Issue is much of the Hispanic Media is tied up in “Home Country Politics” so they don’t cover Domestic as much as they should IMHO.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  62. RKS, your attempt at sophistry is laughable.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  63. No, that Habla Hispano, is (from) Spanish speaking, the other is to speak spanish. OTOH, I recall that Univision trumped up that crazy CIA conspiracy story
    from the Mercury News, for several weeks, and there really was no grounds for it.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  64. #64 You need to learn to read what is on the page, not what is on your mind. You seem to jump to conclusions very quickly.

    Laughable indeed give you created like 2-3 false straw-men in the course of a few posts.

    I can certainly understand why you would jump to those conclusions but you are wrong to have engaged in logical fallacies then mock me.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  65. Gracias otra vez, narciso.

    nk (875f57)

  66. Meanwhile, this is certainly the wrong way to tackle the immigration problem,

    http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2012/09/preview-of-coming-deficit-attractions.html

    And there is precedent, from what I read of Mazower, with the EEE.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  67. MD, in response to your #11, recall the role of Eric Holder in Clinton’s cynical pardons of FALN members when Holder manipulated DOJ recommendations to get around near universal law enforcement opposition to releasing convicted prisoners responsible for over 130 terrorist acts.
    Comment by ropelight — 9/30/2012 @ 4:25 pm

    Yes, I thought about that ropelight. While that is one big pre-Obama reason to put Holder on trial that was missed, I think the FALN is relatively unknown across the US. Hopefully it would be/will be a lot harder to get away with releasing an Islamic terrorist who was behind “the first World Trade Center Bombing”.

    Then again, there’s been a lot of things we would have thought would have been hard to get away with.

    Somewhere, I can’t find it now, MD said that he couldn’t say anything in Twitter because of its 140 character limit – and he came in under 100 I think!

    Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 9/30/2012 @ 3:08 pm

    Miracles happen, what can I say…

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  68. RKS, so its your claim that your statement (““I find most Hispanics want to vote Conservative but they view Republicans as not being terribly conservative.”) is not about hispanic voting patterns.

    So when you write “… want to vote …” you are not talking about voting.

    And I created a strawman? Uh, no. You mock yourself.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  69. I have not mocked you, RKS. I have tried to talk to you. If you think I was mean, be mean back.

    nk (875f57)

  70. “Hablar Hispano” is a variation of “habla espanol”

    Never heard that in Costa Rica.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  71. True, MD, but the Frances Tavern bombing was in the words of our own VP a B…D, of course they waited 25 years for that, a closer example were those involved with the BLA, and the Brinks Job in 1981.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  72. Comment by narciso — 9/30/2012 @ 8:59 pm

    To tell you the truth, narciso, I have no idea what/when/who the Frances Tavern Bombing was. Maybe that is just my ignorance, or reflective of more widespread American ignorance. I do remember though a truck blowing up in the parking garage below the WTC.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  73. MD,

    Well, you know, those spics speak funny. Some of them even called me doctor.

    nk (875f57)

  74. The baby was in Grenada, BTW. USGOM. 1983?

    nk (875f57)

  75. “For crying out bloud, RKS. I had a girlfriend who was Cuban. I had a law partner who was Puerto Rican! We have close family friends from Spain.”

    RKS – Hang your head in shame. Everybody who comments here is supposed to know these personal details of nk’s life.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  76. #71. Start over SPQR …. start with what I actually wrote and not what you thought I meant ….

    “I find most Hispanics want to vote Conservative but they view Republicans as not being terribly conservative. At least the Republicans they see in their districts.”

    You can choose not to believe it or ask for study outlining it but being from the Community, it is pretty accurate.

    Hispanics have no clue what a Conservative is beyond what a Liberal tells them. Most Republican running in Hispanic areas are Democrat Lite. So Hispanics are not switching to get a washed out version of what they already have. to boot if they did, why vote Conservative when I am always told they are horrid people who want to deport me or take my Social Security.

    The Susana Martinez speech at the RNC was dead on … “I guess I am a Republican.”

    Again, major outreach is needed to explain Conservatism in Hispanic Communities, how (R) believe in it and the voting patterns will change quickly IMHO. These are not sclerotic voters and they don’t spend their days examining the nuances of each Party.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  77. Just messing with you a little, MD. This is basically a very boring thread. So, did you watch Ferb TV?

    nk (875f57)

  78. daleyrocks,

    Why the hostility? Did I forget to leave the money? I’m sorry. I’ll pay double the next time.

    nk (875f57)

  79. #78 I don’t pretend to understand what his hopes are. I just don’t want folks mis-representing my thoughts.

    I am simply expressing an opinion that Romney can win more hispanics (and the election) if he just had the guts to go into these communities and speak to them about what he would do as a (R) to help them.

    Hispanics Values are conservative in nature. Hispanics are not secularists and abhor many of the positions (D) takes. You look down the Values list Dennis Prager uses — Hispanics are Conservative.

    Not ALL, many. And I say MOST (over 60%).

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  80. Of course MSNBC blocked out her speech, and they didn’t even translate Tagg Romney’s speech, because they only translate from crazy,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  81. Sorry for wasting bandwidth. Like anybody should care whether daleyrocks likes them.

    nk (875f57)

  82. Alright, RKS. Diga una cosa en espanol, moby.

    nk (875f57)

  83. Alright, RKS. Diga una cosa en espanol, moby.

    nk (875f57)

  84. En los Estados Unidos, creo que Univision tiene una gran audiencia.

    ¿Importa eso? No se.

    I suspect, however that it doesn’t matter. But it should.

    Ag80 (b2c81f)

  85. Now mind you, I still remember the hatchet job, they tried on Rubio, bringing up a relative from
    a situation , 25 years ago, relevant much.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  86. “Why the hostility?”

    nk – No hostility. For cripes sakes, I have absolute moral authority. I have friends who have friends who are minorities.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  87. I don’t.

    Have friends that is. Plenty of minorities hanging around though …

    SPQR (26be8b)

  88. _________________________________________________

    Hispanics Values are conservative in nature.

    I’m not sure about that because I think much of the human species in general is prone to continuous bouts of lazy, self-entitled, what’s-in-it-for-me? liberalism.

    For example, a huge portion of the Mexican electorate is really not too different from that of a lot of voters throughout urban America. So anyone liberal gets a million benefits of the doubt, while the centrist or conservative is treated with the skepticism of “show me the money!” Mexico’s version of America’s Democrat Party (ie, PRI) has had the upper-hand in that country for over 90 years, so it’s rather analogous to the way that Democrats have held sway over cities like Detroit or Chicago since time immemorial.

    Mark (6d5e0d)

  89. Well true, but the PAN had run the country for about 12 years, Argentina had a generally center right regime under Menem for almost as long, same
    for Bolivia,

    narciso (ee31f1)

  90. An Argentinian “center right” regime really does not resemble the US version of “center right” much.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  91. ________________________________________

    but the PAN had run the country for about 12 years

    But, narcisco, that’s like implying that California therefore is a conservative or even truly centrist type of state because it has had a series of Republican governors going back to Ronald Reagan. Or trying to make that connection even more so when one of the non-liberal politicians in question is represented by an Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    BTW, I didn’t realize just how mono-political the “Golden State” was even in the 1980s, when George Deukmejian was governor. For some reason I assumed that during his time in office, at least one of the two branches of the state legislature were controlled by the Republicans too. But, nope, he faced the same garbage that very squishy Ah-nold did in the 2000s.

    And people wonder why the “Golden State” is becoming America’s answer to Greece/Mexico?

    Mark (6d5e0d)

  92. Just messing with you a little, MD. This is basically a very boring thread. So, did you watch Ferb TV?
    Comment by nk — 9/30/2012 @ 9:16 pm

    No you weren’t; I was messing with you first.

    No, haven’t watched my little favorite super hero platypus recently. Daughter just turned 12 and currently watches “Psych” while awaiting the next available Dr. Who. And two more seasons of Myth Busters now on Netflix…

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  93. Interesting that folks assume the politics of a nation in Latin America represent the politics of the folks who left those very nations. It is the equivalent of saying that US Citizens who are of Brit, Scot, Irish and Germans descent have the same political values as those in Europe. I dunno, a guess, but maybe they left (some/many) to get away from that, not get more of that.

    And if folks want to blame Liberalism on anyone start with the millions of whites and blacks who have been in this country for hundreds of years who actually do control things. Just saying.

    So while there are lots of Liberal Voting Mexicans living off the dole who luvs big Gov.t there are plenty who don’t and plenty more who wouldn’t vote (D) if Conservatives worked harder at addressing them.

    FWIW, you can also blame Pete Wilson for some of (R) mess in CA.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  94. #85 and #85

    Eres un jilipoya que te encanta tragar el pito de maricones con SIDA.

    Probably read and written more spanish in the past week than you have read on Taco Bell Menus in your life.

    Asshole.

    Rodney King's Spirit (9ce6d4)

  95. Where is Jan Crawford on all of this? Or is that the DOJ beat?

    Colonel Haiku (c9aabc)

  96. 96. Male menopause. I’m often irrational, irritable and altogether implacable myself.

    gary gulrud (dd7d4e)

  97. THat’s been Atkinson’s lonely beat, Crawford used to be exclusively the Supreme court, but she’s more the politics now.

    narciso (ee31f1)

  98. Not to take anything away from UniVision, after all they are criticizing the one we (the world) was waiting for, but I think it is far easier for them to focus on what dirt the US did to Mexico than for those in the US to blow the whistle. But from what I know, UniVision didn’t blame the US (and that evil Booosh) but pointed the finger at the ones who deserve it.

    It is sad to think how different things would have been had this been a Repub administration. The impeachment trial would have long been over (but then Biden would be Prez!?!) Can’t win sometimes.

    Hopefully there will be at least some US reporters and news agencies that will personally resent being shown up by “foreigners” and try to get out in front on this.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  99. Maybe Univision will tell us how many of our embassies are under siege today since the Obamamedia has an embargo on the subject.

    daleyrocks (bf33e9)

  100. Many happy returns to her, MD. Mine is ten and half. I suggested a not bad movie to her — The Hunter with Willem Defoe and Sam O’Neill — and she told me “No, it’s rated R”. It’s a tough job raising your parents.

    nk (875f57)

  101. All the MSM,
    male and female,
    dream of being Michelle,

    daleyrocks.

    nk (875f57)


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