Patterico's Pontifications

They are struggling to get their story straight. Yesterday to Politico they were aware of the language. Today Axelrod and Jarrett were throwing Strickland under the bus.

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:38 am

I’m surprised that nobody at MSLSD characterized the Convention’s rapturous response to Clinton’s speech as “Clinton bringing the arena to it’s knees !”

It sounds like something cheeky that Rachel Madcow might say out of the side of her mouth, before raising her eyebrow and winking at the camera as an acknowldegement that she just made a funny.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:13 am

The quote below is the AP quoted by Hot Air.
I would just love it if you would help push for the restoration of Glass-Steagall. But Rubinomics is the continuation of Reaganomics. And last week the big Repub claim was the lie that Obama had betrayed Clinton.
As an aside: Wasserman-Schultz deserves all the abuse anyone can give her. An absolute moron.

“Also, as president, Clinton supported the 1999 repeal of the Glass-Steagall Act, a law dating back to the Great Depression that separated banking from high-risk financial speculation. Robert Rubin, who had been Clinton’s first treasury secretary, helped broker the final deal on Capitol Hill that enabled the repeal legislation to pass. Some financial historians say the repeal of the law paved the way for banks to invest in risky investments like mortgage-backed securities and collateralized debt obligations that played a role in the 2008 financial meltdown.”

Also of course
http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them
“A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window.”

If the democrats had actually counted the floor vote the motion might not have passed. And it amuses me that republicans who are so opposed to illegal immigration and who blather on about fantasies of the Hispanic States of America ignore immigration of European refugees to Palestine.

Israeli police say vandals deface monastery with anti-Christian and pro-settler graffiti
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/middle_east/israeli-police-say-vandals-deface-monastery-with-anti-christian-and-pro-settler-graffiti/2012/09/04/bdd015ea-f651-11e1-a93b-7185e3f88849_story.html

http://www.smh.com.au/world/when-women-and-girls-are-the-enemy-20111118-1nn4d.html
When women and girls are the enemy
Gender is the new battleground as ultra-orthodox Jews try to impose their conservative values in Israel, writes Ruth Pollard in Jerusalem.

Democrats and Republicans are united in promoting the extremism above. That’s what’s pathetic.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:20 am

Not that I’d wish anything bad befall the MSM, Brokaw obviously suffered a stroke following retirement, say 18 months ago:

http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/tom-brokaw-rushed-to-charlotte-hospital_b144573

Assisted living beats death, Tom Boi.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:27 am

Thanks for the wall of vomit, sleeeeeeeeepy. You can pass out again.

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:44 am

In the interest of meeting the Left in compromise where our interests coincide:

“I would just love it if you would help push for the restoration of Glass-Steagall”

Give us repeal of Dodd-Frank and a deal is possible.

“Wasserman-Schultz deserves all the abuse anyone can give her.”

Brain-damaged mutant, uglier than Medusa and her sisters.

Where we still have issues:

“Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them”

The only Christians in Israel/Palestine are tourists, exchange students, kibbutzers and the very occasional businessperson.

Clergy least of all.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:49 am

“The only Christians in Israel/Palestine are tourists, exchange students, kibbutzers and the very occasional businessperson.”

What a lying putz. There are Palestinian Christians and Jerusalem is a holy city to three religions and all their varieties.
“On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop’s 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.”

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:08 am

So, sleeepy is one of the crowing number of anti-Semitic “Progressives” whose definition of tolerance is limited to things they like.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:16 am

*growing

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:17 am

It was pathetic watching Jarrett’s face when Charlie Rose asked if Obama knew about the language. Ax jumped right in with the lie.

Patricia (e1d89d) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:18 am

Since this is an open thread, I am going to have a little bit of fun with it.

Could it be that the whole deal with Bubba’s speech last night was NOT to pave the way for Hillary in 2016? After all, Hillary will be 69 years old on Inauguration Day 2017, and even though Ronald Reagan was that age when he moved into the Oval Office, it might be a bit too much to have the first woman President also be a septuagenarian. At the same time, Slick Willie with his political antennae has to know that if Dear Leader wins again this year that he will continue to be inept in his second term. The Clintons know damn well that a second term for Obama will lead to a Republican sweep in the 2014 midterms, and that America will likely be so depressed by eight years of mismanagement that the Democrat nominee will be a heavy underdog in 2016.

So what if the whole restoration of the Clinton Dynasty is a move to position — wait for it — Chelsea Clinton for a run for higher office? Consider this scenario: the Clintons have cut a deal with Obama whereby Kristin Gillibrand wins reelection to her Senate seat in NY this fall, and in return Obama appoints her to be some sort of cabinet secretary after the 2014 midterm elections. Chelsea Clinton, just shy of her 35th birthday, will then be appointed to the vacant seat just before Andrew Cuomo leaves office. She’ll be older than her dad was when he was first elected governor. This will leave her a plausible candidate as early as 2020, with the ability to run for President at least until 2044 or even 2048.

Think it’s implausible? Our friends across the Atlantic don’t.

JVW (edec8d) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:21 am

Interesting scenario JVW, and entirely plausible.
The sticking point is that Chelsea, in her foray into tele-journalism, has proven to be a complete dunce.
Perhaps she would be a better fit as Democrat National Chairperson, where DWS has paved the way.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:29 am

7. “lying putz”

No offense, Forest Child, but Christians tend to have a more informed opinion about who meets the minimum standard than godless atheists.

Take your relic worshipping Clergy, two hands, and find your butt. You can’t.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:29 am

“relic worshipping Clergy”

Wow. Such anti-Catholic anti-Orthodox Christian bigotry.
An iconoclast.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:41 am

11. I think one speech is no window into the Clintons’ minds or machinations. BootBlack has crapped the bed.

Burn the linen and furnishings.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:42 am

Why do you hate so much, sleeeeeeeeerpy?

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:42 am

14. 175 Million Christians in China don’t even have Bibles, let alone churches.

Let the dead bury their own.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:45 am

There are 330,000 Christians in Israel the West Bank and Gaza. Arab and non Arab. And then there are organizations of the major Christian denominations. The graffiti was sprayed in a monastery. (one where monks are still living.)

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:48 am

“175 Million Christians in China don’t even have Bibles, let alone churches.”
Google the Beijing Cathedral.
And yes there are bibles in China.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:51 am

18. I am acquainted with Lebanese and Palestinian Christians dribble cup.

Apellations are a convenience, indicative in this case of tribal identity, not a volitional reality.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:53 am

19. The State franchised church in China is a facade, forget about any association with Christianity whatever.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:55 am

GG,
You said there were no churches. I gave you a nice old one.
There are more, and anyone who wants to find them can use google.
There is discrimination against Christians in the PRC. But that’s not what you said. You made an absurd claim. And the earlier reference to “relic worshipping” was just disgusting bigotry.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:03 am

22. So I’m disgusting, you’re new around here aren’t you?

You also don’t know diddly whereof you speak.

Maybe you should check sources other than those in the echo chamber, like Haaretz, WaPo, Google, etc.

We don’t agree on the facts, what’s the point of argumentation?

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:12 am

Clue: By ‘church’ Christians mean regular assemblies of believers. Not buildings per se.

By ‘bearing the Cross of Jesus’ Christians mean suffering for His sake unto death. Not slapping a “yeshiva student” for breaking your furniture.

You are obviously obsessed with appearances, how is it possible to even communicate with those whom you do not share a common language or conceptual framework?

Give it up, Pilgrim. This is a foreign land you sojourn in.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:19 am

I am leery of people that like to count joooooooooos and Xians.

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:22 am

“Not slapping a “yeshiva student” for breaking your furniture.”
Yeshiva student in quotes, no less.

The story is in Haaretz.
You’re not helping your cause
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A few weeks ago, a senior Greek Orthodox clergyman in Israel attended a meeting at a government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter. When he returned to his car, an elderly man wearing a skullcap came and knocked on the window. When the clergyman let the window down, the passerby spat in his face.

The clergyman prefered not to lodge a complaint with the police and told an acquaintance that he was used to being spat at by Jews. Many Jerusalem clergy have been subjected to abuse of this kind. For the most part, they ignore it but sometimes they cannot.

On Sunday, a fracas developed when a yeshiva student spat at the cross being carried by the Armenian Archbishop during a procession near the Holy Sepulchre in the Old City. The archbishop’s 17th-century cross was broken during the brawl and he slapped the yeshiva student.

Both were questioned by police and the yeshiva student will be brought to trial. The Jerusalem District Court has meanwhile banned the student from approaching the Old City for 75 days.

But the Armenians are far from satisfied by the police action and say this sort of thing has been going on for years. Archbishop Nourhan Manougian says he expects the education minister to say something.

“When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.
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sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:23 am

26. Next you’re going to tell us Barry is an American cause he was born at home in Honolulu and is a citizen of these United States.

The actual reality of his belief and behaviour is irrelevant.

““When there is an attack against Jews anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don’t they take harsher measures?” he asks.”

Believe me, this is an attitude congruent to that of his Muslim neighbors, holy sites, holy artifacts, holy offices and officers. “Give me my rights!”

Not helping my case? What you think I care to win you for the cause?

But Jesus do, no I can’t fathom that either.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:33 am

“Not helping my case? What you think I care to win you for the cause?”

Not me, but the the other readers of this page.
Israeli lunacy is costing it the friendships it’s had for years.

“Believe me, this is an attitude congruent to that of his Muslim neighbors, holy sites, holy artifacts, holy offices and officers. “Give me my rights!”

That’s how modern democracy is supposed to work.

sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:45 am

Awkward moments–it’s the Democrat way.

Consider the Al Franken election for Senator; the Christine Gregoire campaign for governor of Washington; and of course Al Gore’s misplaced bid to win Florida.

I don’t know how many recounts Franken got before he was declared the winner.

Christine’s team kept demaning recounts–and on each recount the King County registrar’s office would “find” a missing box of ballots hidden somewhere in the office. On about the 8th recount (and God knows how many of “lost” but now “found” ballots) Ms. Gregoire had enough votes to beat Dino Rossi, the Republican candidate.

And down in Florida–where The Goracle’s team had wanted to recount ballots only in the heavily Democrat counties, they did have recounts. Several of them in fact. And when it was all said and done (and I’m told it was done in five different ways) The Goracle lost on every recount.

Well that’s the Democrat way. As Hugh Hewitt says, if it’s not close, they can’t cheat.

And of course if it’s a voice vote, well hell, the Democrat chair just declares it the way he wants.

Comanche Voter (29e1a6) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:49 am

28. “Israeli lunacy is costing it the friendships it’s had for years.”

What ‘friendship’? In ’72 the Israeli generals darn near lost as Kissinger withheld help until the tank commanders saved the country and Nixon gave Kissinger until the morning to save his job.

Israel has never been more than a pawn to American politicians. Choombaracka just happens to be an unvarnished anti-Semite.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:52 am

Democrats voted against God and Israel before they voted for them.

Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:11 am

Choompacabra

Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:12 am

“Thanks for the wall of vomit, sleeeeeeeeepy. You can pass out again.”

No kidding.

What the hell is this sleeeeeeepy guy babbling about?

What the heck does rude behavior by the looney Ultras in Israel have to do with the fun and games going on at the DemoKKKrat Convention???

Is he trying to say that DemoKKKrats are just as whacked out as the Ultras are?

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:13 am

sleeeeepy got himself some bad JooJoo

Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:15 am

Is anyone supposed to believe that the Democrats didn’t run their platform past the party’s candidate before they released it to the public. You know the platform the candidate is going to have to defend in the upcoming campaign? The GOP spoke to early. They should have let them approve it then start the brouhaha about no GOD, no Jerusalem.

Mike Giles (14a5bb) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:18 am

R.I.P. Art Modell, longtime owner of the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens NFL franchise

Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:18 am

I got a big kick out of Bent Dick Bill applauding Obama for stengthening Medicare by cutting $716 billion out of it. I’m surprised the old lecher didn’t take it a little farther and say, listen to this, this is the best one yet, imagine how much stronger we could make Medicare by cutting a few trillion out of it. I’ll bet they’re saving that for Obama’s speech tonight.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:21 am

I disagree, Mike Giles. Starting a brouhaha during the convention, when voters are actually paying attention to the campaign, is the perfect time to foment disarray within the competition’s party.

Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:23 am

Clinton used the same logic in his comments on Welfare Reform. We’re strengthening the program by loosening the requirements that made it so successful during my administration. As he said, it takes some brass to stand up there and deliberately lie to the American public.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:24 am

“Is anyone supposed to believe that the Democrats didn’t run their platform past the party’s candidate before they released it to the public. You know the platform the candidate is going to have to defend in the upcoming campaign?”

Mike Giles – Campaign sources yesterday told Politico that Obama had seen it before the convention but spokesweasels Axelrod and Jarrett are denying that on TV today. I call BS.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:30 am

28. “That’s how modern democracy is supposed to work.”

IOW, the parasites are accorded redress along with the common folk. Sure.

“God causes the rain to fall on the sinner and the righteous alike.”

Now, about Jordanians having a right to return to the land their grandfathers or great-grandfathers abandoned ahead of hostilities in ’47. Forget it, never gonna happen.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:31 am

“…it takes some brass to stand up there and deliberately lie to the American public.”

Clinton can pull it off. He’s had plenty of experience.

Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:46 am

“He’s had plenty of experience.”

Dave – Having a convicted perjurer give the keynote address on Day 2 of the Vagina Monologues (a.k.a the DNC) is in perfect keeping with this administration’s value system.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:51 am

The convention had a “former steelworker” who was in fact never employed by Bain but instead a union official. And Elizabeth Warren.

I think Glenn Reynolds referred to having a fake steelworker and a fake indian in the same hour at the DNC.

And these lying scum attacked Ryan’s truthful speech?

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:53 pm

Yeah, and it goes beyond the fact they have fake steelworkers, and fake Indians, and fake stories about Joe Soptic’s wife—the motive for using fake people is the important point.
After all, if there were any REAL anecdotes about how Romney actually “caused” a guy’s wife to get cancer, they wouldn’t have to make up phony stuff—because they’d prefer to parade around the authentic person whose credentials and accusations could easily be “confirmed.”
By the same token, the reason they have to come up with a fake steelworker who worked for Bain, is because they can’t really find any ACTUAL former colleagues of Romney or employees of Bain who can testify that Romney’s a bad guy to work for.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:10 pm

Comment by JVW — 9/6/2012 @ 9:21 am

So what if the whole restoration of the Clinton Dynasty is a move to position — wait for it — Chelsea Clinton for a run for higher office?

He probably does have some ideas in this direction, but she’s probably not cut out for it.

He got her a job with NBC News.

Bill Clinton’s real hopes apparently are still on Hillary, and apparently she’s declining. He’s getting too old (and sick) anyway himself to enjoy it.

This may go on as long as he is in reasonably good health – and then it’s over.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:21 pm

He needs connections in high office to protect his reputation, and more.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:21 pm

If it wasn’t for fake, the Dems wouldn’t have reality at all.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:22 pm

The local conservative radio host was struck in Bubba’s speech by the import of Urkel’s student loan fix.

The income of the profession chosen by the former student determines their ability to pay for twenty years. The payments are limited to a percentage of their income.

Didn’t catch whether there’s a balloon payment at the end, but kinda doubt that would obtain. No one will ever have to abandon tattoo artistry because they can’t afford the lifestyle over and above their loans.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:32 pm

Mr. West does it right with his new t.v. spot.

mg (44de53) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:38 pm

Comment by daleyrocks — 9/6/2012 @ 11:30 am

Mike Giles – Campaign sources yesterday told Politico that Obama had seen it before the convention but spokesweasels Axelrod and Jarrett are denying that on TV today. I call BS.

There’s a Wall Street Journal story that says Obama did not know or notice that there was reference to God.

An Obama aide seems to be described there as saying two things: 1) he personally intervened to see the language on Israel and God was changed and 2) when he learned the reference to God had been omitted he asked his staff why it had been changed in the first place.

Connect the dots.

It follows that the other thing – the omission of any assertion that Jerusalem is, or should be, recognized as the capital of Israel, he did know.

Jerusalem Language is Restored by Democrats

Bear in mind also that the Republican platform was missing the U.S. Embassy should be in Jerusalem language it had in 2008 (and in 2000)

That could only have been done on Presidential request (for foreign policy reasons)

The argument being the important issue is now Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas and something like this could only mess up co-operation about Iran, because so he’d been told. I think the Republican platform writers would listen to an appeal like that.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:04 pm

Comment by gary gulrud — 9/6/2012 @ 1:32 pm

The income of the profession chosen by the former student determines their ability to pay for twenty years. The payments are limited to a percentage of their income.

Didn’t catch whether there’s a balloon payment at the end, but kinda doubt that would obtain.

The catch is, at current college tuition rates, and current interest rates and current average levels of income, most of the loans would be fully repaid, using the designated percentage of income repayment ceiling.

The cost to the government of forgiving whatever remained unpaid after 20 years wouldn’t be so much.

If such a system were set up and college tuition would continue to go up, it wouldn’t work so well.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:08 pm

What remains unpaid should be collected from the University/College which profited from the loan – they could just deduct it from their grant/research money.
If they have skin-in-the-game, they’ll play nice.

AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:15 pm

“If such a system were set up and college tuition would continue to go up, it wouldn’t work so well.

Comment by Sammy Finkelman — 9/6/2012 @ 2:08 pm “

There are time, Finkelman, when I don’t believe you really pay any attention to the real world. The use of the word “if” above is a good example.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:21 pm

Well, guess what, Sammy, the college tuition rates ARE going up.
But it’s funny how all the kooky left wingers who lash out at “big oil,” “big pharma,” “big business,” Walmart, McDonald’s, Macy’s, and any other industry or business that seeks to maximize profits, never seem to whine or protest when colleges increase their tuition from year-to-year.
Where are the protests against “big education” ? The college students wouldn’t even have to travel very far to stage their protests or sit-ins—they’re already on campus—how convenient is that !?

It’s ludicrous to suggest a paradigm where someone can take out enormous loans to study to be an elementary school teacher at ridiculously expensive Harvard, then take a job that doesn’t pay a whole lot, and then non-chalantly leave the American taxpayer with the tab after twenty years of paying back only “a portion” of the loan.

People who don’t concern themselves with making a good income shouldn’t take out huge loans at the most expensive colleges.

If you’re a student who is not anticipating making a lot of money, then go to State U where you can pay in-state tuition. Better yet, go to your local JC for the first two years, then transfer to State U.

This left wing fantasy world where there’s always going to be “other people” to pick up your tab is irresponsible. And naive. And greedy.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:30 pm

I didn’t imply that college tuition continuing to go up was anything improbable. What I meant was, I think his mathematics probably only works if that doesn’t happen. And it’s only a proposal, and not a law. Clinton spoke as if this was a law. Obama had done something much more limited, but I forgot the details.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:39 pm

Comment by sleeeepy — 9/6/2012 @ 9:51 am

There are state approved churches in China and an underground persecuted church.

Gerald A (f26857) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:46 pm

Sammy, Sammy, Sammy….

It has been happening, it IS happening.
Therefore, the left wing hypothetical is a moot point.

See ?
Left wing theories and hypotheses rarely deal with reality—they deal with fantasy.

Obama is not just incompetent, and not just a dangerous hard left wing ideologue—he’s completely oblivious to the real world ! His student loan solution is incumbent upon something “not happening” that is already happening (inflationary college tuition rates).

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:47 pm

When I see that Michigan, a state BO won by 16 points 4 years ago, is very close it doesn’t compute that the overall race is as close as the polls say.

Maybe MI isn’t really close and there’s something fluky with those polls.

Gerald A (f26857) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:50 pm

Comment by AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! — 9/6/2012 @ 2:15 pm

What remains unpaid should be collected from the University/College which profited from the loan – they could just deduct it from their grant/research money.

If they have skin-in-the-game, they’ll play nice.

That would start to rationalize the whole thing.

But studnet loans are not just for tuition. They can be taken out in cash.

I know someone who has a “business plan” as follows:

He will borrow $100,000 and study to become a nurse. Tuition should be about $37,000. With the residue he will support his family for two years. He will still work part time. If all goes wrong, he still can repay it, because he can go back to old job and his wife can go back to work. He does need a backer though because his credit is shot. That’s because his mother put him on deed of a house, for which they didn’t pay the second mortgage and then settled for a very low amount. And his wife spent too much on the wedding and they had to settle the debt for less. So the credit of both of them is no good at the moment.

He needs guarantors, but the guarantee expires after one year, or $10,000. I told him he could set aside money from the loan to pay the debt the first year. The co-signers might get all the information and make sure the first year is repaid on time. It might work.

The tuition is higher than a state school, but he could enroll sooner.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:51 pm

What the hell is this sleeeeeeepy guy babbling about?

Something about people spray-painting graffiti on church walls. Sounds similar to what sleeepy does here. Shall we call them “wall trolls”?

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:58 pm

Off the cuff thoughts-

Education along with medicine are the two things that have been routinely increasing in cost greater than inflation, I believe.

Both include aspects that probably do advance faster than the general culture, and in one way it makes sense the price goes up faster.
Both also have a wide disparity in cost per individual dependent on circumstances, which is largely tried to be dispersed equally across a large number of people.

Cars from 40 years ago provided transportation. They did what they were supposed to do. In one way, the car of today is little different (unless you have one with automatic collision protection and such, not just CD rather than radio).

Medicine is different than it was 40 years ago. People died of liver cirrhosis 40 years ago, now they get liver transplants, as just one example. The cost of a liver transplant is huge. The lifetime medical expenditures of someone who never needs a transplant, never needs extensive treatment for cancer or other involved things, is a mere pittance in relation.

In a college education, a student pays the same amount whether they are an English Lit major or a Molecular Biology major, though the infrastructure and equipment required for each education is probably quite different in complexity and cost. That is not a statement about comparative intellect needed or utility to society, it is just the reality of the subject matter. English Lit has changed over the last 40 years by adding Harry Potter and such (not meant to be derogatory, just illustrative), where a molecular biology undergrad today does experiments unknown to the faculty and post-docs of 40 years ago.

I do not have any idea what the answer is to such issues, though assuming that government will give the correct answer is a wrong answer. A largely governmental monopoly of primary and secondary education seems to have not worked well; it should not be assumed to work any better for more advanced.

It is a good thing to be generous, but somehow recipients of generosity tend to become entitled rather than grateful for what has been given. Once upon a time it was a privilege to go to school at all, and then to go to high school rather than work, and then to go to college. Somehow, not only is it expected that a person should be given a free ride to high school, for example, but it’s value has become almost nothing. People quit as if it is not important, some people get through schools where the diploma isn’t worth the paper that it is printed on. Even once “exclusive” high schools graduate students who feel entitled because of the reputation of their schools, based on past achievement.

The “liberal”/leftist mindset needs to get off of the idea that they are more noble than a “conservative” mindset and realize that whatever good intentions there were in the New Deal* and Great Society*, the results have not lived up to the billing, and more of the same will not result in new outcomes. And “conservatives” need to practice what they say about private philanthropy- and many indeed do.

*I recognize that some may question even the motives behind the New Deal and the Great Society as being more manipulative and influence/power seeking than truly concerned for others, and I am sure that for some (maybe many) individuals this was true; but many people also did want to “do something” that would help others.

Not sure why I wrote all this here, but I did.

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:10 pm

From the SacBee–This is for Patterico, Haiku, Dana and others of your ilk who “live in heaven”:

CHARLOTTE, N.C. – Debbie Wasserman Schultz, the Democratic National Committee chairwoman and congresswoman from Florida, was at ease this morning among a group of Democrats from deep-blue California.

“Let me just tell you how much I appreciate the oasis of Democratic politics that California is,” she said at a delegation breakfast on the final day of the Democratic National Convention. ”I know that you all feel like you live in heaven.”

A man in the audience yelled, “We do!” and Wasserman Schultz said, “Understandably so.”

elissa (d96e04) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:13 pm

NO MORE YEARS!!!! NO MORE YEARS!!!!! NO MORE YEARS!!!! NO MORE YEARS!!!!!! NO MORE YEARS!!!!

Ipso Fatso (1e3278) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:15 pm

Michelle Obama interview on NBC Nightly News

Micheklkle Obama likes to hear Barack Obama;s spoeeches fresh. He’s practiced. He has a limited time to practice, less than 4 years ago.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:39 pm

Michelle Obama interview on NBC Nightly News

Micheklkle Obama likes to hear Barack Obama;s spoeeches fresh. He’s practiced. He has a limited time to practice, less than 4 years ago.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:40 pm

Education along with medicine are the two things that have been routinely increasing in cost greater than inflation, I believe.

Both are not being paid out of current income. They get averaged over nmore years.

Housing also climbs, but it seems to be government policy that it should rise.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:42 pm

MEGO attack.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:42 pm

Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/6/2012 @ 2:47 pm

His student loan solution is incumbent upon something “not happening” that is already happening (inflationary college tuition

Politicians ask their experts to wriote something that works out.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:43 pm

NBC: Hurricane Isaac churned up some oil from the BP opil spill. Hurricane Leslie in Bermuda.

They will start coverage at 9 PM tonight.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:44 pm

What is Sammy on about today?

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:50 pm

I don’t know, JD, I don’t read WALL’O’TEXT MEGO attacks.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:53 pm

Obama’s speech”

Echoing Clinton:

No president, no president — not me, not any of my predecessors — no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.

Obama will say:

I won’t pretend the path I’m offering is quick or easy. I never have. You didn’t elect me to tell you what you wanted to hear. You elected me to tell you the truth. And the truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over decades.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:24 pm

If Romney had a little common sense, he wouldn’t have any problem winning the election.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:25 pm

73. But Slick moved to the center and had Tyson and Rubin on his economic team.

Most of all he had a Republican House and Neuter running it, along, as Karl pointed out in his Prebuttal, extraordinary technology bubble with Greenspan’s easy credit.

Urkel has never shown the slightest inkling of moderating. Boner is no Newt.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:28 pm

75. I meant he echoed Clinton’s speech yesterday.

And Clinton’s explanation about the recovery in the 1990s is a lie.

extraordinary technology bubble with Greenspan’s easy credit.

Clinton of course never hints that is even suich a thing as monetary policy.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:35 pm

OT: Spread the word about evil Obama Administration trying to suppress military vote.

http://warnerrobinspatriot.com/bookmark/20055176-Pentagon-official-reacts-to-IG-report-and-charges-of-voter-suppression

Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:43 pm

~~Liars’~~ Winners Convention Day Three: Open Thread

And we hear from the ~~Liar in Chief~~ President of the United States of America.

There. Fixed that for ‘ya. But then, you’ve already posted you’re not watcin’ this week’s ‘bilge’ anyway.

And you say you’re not funny.

“FIDO says it couldn’t be any better.” – NASA PAO, STS-1, 4/14/81

DCSCA (9d1bb3) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:46 pm

Sammy,

What planet are you visiting ?

College tuition rates have been inching up, well beyond the rate of inflation for years. On top of that, colleges charge $100 for a textbook they paid $20 wholesale for. Then they buy it back from the student for $20, then, sell it “used” to another student for another $60. They do that for a few years until the next edition replaces it. If each student purchases, say, five textbooks per semester—and that’s a low estimate—that’s a lot of additional money the college is bringing in.

The point is, Obama’s plan does not jive with reality. Tuition IS going up, and has been for a number of years.
People who borrow money should be expected to pay it back in full, and not dump their obligations on the taxpayers.

The housing market collapsed due to the fact that too many people who couldn’t be expected to meet their mortgage obligations in the first place, were nonetheless still being given mortgages.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:17 pm

Obama ate Fido, IMP

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:19 pm

Somebody has to watch it to keep DWS among others honest. “Yes, there was a 2/3rds vote, there was no controversy”. Not exact words, but essentially a quote, unless someone “audio-shopped” and made up her quote.

Her new nickname per a comment on the radio, “The ‘Baghdad Bob’ of this convention”.

And she is the Chair of the DNC, not some individual out on her own.

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:22 pm

Eva Longoria? Eva Longoria?

nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:24 pm

I can’t figure out how anyone understands any of IMP’s drivel.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:36 pm

What’s the frequency, IMP?

JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:42 pm

I won’t pretend the path I’m offering is quick or easy. I never have. You didn’t elect me to tell you what you wanted to hear. You elected me to tell you the truth. And the truth is, it will take more than a few years for us to solve challenges that have built up over decades.

The 12th of Never using socialism. Call it Obama’s new Four Year Plan.

Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:50 pm

not sure how to make patterico aware of this, but this story is essentially a swatting, airline style:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20120906/us-flight-returns/

sally (d02b16) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:01 pm

sally, you can send him tips at patterico at gmail dot com.

That’s a good example of the same sort of tactic that was used against Patterico.

I hope the FBI takes that case seriously enough to catch the perpetrator and put them in prison, just as they ought to be doing for Patterico and the other swatting victims.

Dustin (73fead) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:10 pm

Crazy Uncle Joe has begun to speak. Life is like a box of Joe Bidens; you never know what you’re gonna get.

Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:33 pm

Crazy Joe laying an egg so far.

We care! We are nice people! We went thru bad times too! We fight hard! Re-elect BHO!!!!!!

Painfully devoid of principles and values — all feelings and empathy.

At least Elizabeth Warren got her Communist Party card re-validated last night.

Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:40 pm

All the car plants, workers would have simply disappeared if not for Barack saving the Unions Contracts by avoiding bankruptcy.

Rodney King's Spirit (aeda60) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:43 pm

More illegal campaigning by Obama officials.

Not much for obeying laws, are they?

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:57 pm

76. Pardon, I was militating against Slick, your comment didnot betray a readiness to believe BJ.

I hated Slick and now remember voting for Dole as well as H.W., a much clearer memory.

But he was at least an Earthling.

gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:58 pm

Biden speaking. . First part of speech vouches for Obama. He had a ringside seat. Obama made decisions that not too many wuld have made. Or made right. He took office at a critical time.

Has two examples of decisions Romney would not have made: the auto bailout and getting Osama bin Laden.

Obama understood things Romney did not: the number of people whose lives would have been affected by loss of auto industry, and need to heal wound by getting bin Laden.

Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:04 pm

Later he got on to some of the same tropes Clinton and others had.

Obama wants to “reduce the debt. It’s reduce the debt, which nobody proposes, as that requires surpluses (or inflation). The real issue is to avoid piling it up too high.

Also Romney would raise taxes $2,000. They want to replace Medicare with VoucherCare and Medicare would go broke in 2016 with Romney in charge. Republicans talk of tough decisions but don’t tell you what they are.

Made a brief mention of the Dream Act.

Don’t exporrt jobds – Romney would create jobs in other countries. Remembers his mother who was there four years ago.

His father would have supported Obama. Cared about workers who worked under him. Not like Bain.

As he’s been saying: Osama bin Laden is dead and General Motors is Alive.

Mentions a few “womenb’s issues”

Ends with Continued praise of the remarkable Barack Obama. “I know this man.”

Durbin introduces Obama. Spends some time on the Dream Act and compares what Obamadid to he Emanicipation Proclamation.

Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:16 pm

Pro-Obama video. Clinto talking on cars. And Biden. Hillary “in midst of financial crisis” Obama: My grandparents came out pf the Great Depression. Work is more than a paycheck

Biden had said that too)

Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:18 pm

His father would support Obama? What a crappy thing to say about someone. The Democrats really are a vile bunch of little turds.

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:23 pm

Obama reads letters which he gets from ordinary people and that keeps him grounded.

And he keeps his campaign promises. That’s why he went for health care says Biden. and he has a backbone like a ramrod.

Michelle now.

Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:24 pm

Five year plans for industry. Yep, that ought to do it.

I don’t think that idle Volt plant is filling phantom orders.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:36 pm

And when did the Dems join the Buchanan wing of the right? Just asking.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:37 pm

Ag – that they claim the UAW bailout as a success is remarkable, no?

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:38 pm

He’s trying the same rhetorical tricks that the American people are burned out on.

I’m betting zero convention bounce for the Empty Suit(tm).

SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:39 pm

Apparently, the President is the new Palin: Drill baby, drill. For that sweet natural gas.

Can’t argue with that. Let’s see how his EPA reacts.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:41 pm

You say “rhetorical tricks”. I say BS.

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:41 pm

He also promised to close Guantanamo. But, hey, Bin Laden is dead. And we will cut and run as soon as we can from every other military action as soon as we can.

Go, President, Go!

Let’s go ask Egyptian women. Things are going to get better for you soon.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:45 pm

I can’t listen anymore.

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:47 pm

We’ll bravely win the Afghan war by running away. And make sure the government runs everything right here.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:47 pm

it’s only words and
words are all 0bama has
to steal our future

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:49 pm

So, I’m going to raise taxes. Because the government is very efficient. Raising taxes will make everything better. The math says so. Because the government is so efficient and saying otherwise means you hate America.

I feel like I’m close-captioning for the deluded.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:50 pm

I decided watching Godzilla pound on MechaGodzilla was way more enlightening…

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:50 pm

President False Choices is on a roll.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:51 pm

We’ll make turning Social Security better because I said so.

The government makes everything better. Let’s make government stronger to make sure everybody’s rights are ensured.

Because citizenship is better than free enterprise. Because you, know, the government is the answer than those silly people who work. And citizenship and free enterprise are mutually exclusive.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:53 pm

“We don’t think government is the source of all of our problems.” That is what he said.

And that’s the problem. No one thinks government is the source of all the problems. Government is not the solution to all of our problems.

And everything he has said so far, indicates that exactly what he believes.

“The election four years ago wasn’t about me?” Really?

Now he’s telling us why it was. Because we elected him.

Bah.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:56 pm

If you turn away from me now, change will not happen.

At least we know where he stands.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:57 pm

Who knows how long will this pity party with the great leader will go on.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:58 pm

Why is he talking about change when he is asking for a do-over and the status quo?

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:58 pm

The government will control health care choices men and women should be making for themselves under Obama.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:58 pm

He’s the President. Biatches.

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:58 pm

Indeed. And we all suffer for it.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:00 pm

Does the out of control Employment Prevention Agency give Obama hope?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:01 pm

This speech is super-gay.

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:02 pm

“I can’t forget teh young sailor I met… at that bar in San Diego… he had teh bluest eyes…”

– Barack Hussein Milhous 0bama

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:02 pm

Sorry, Elephant Stone.

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:02 pm

Why does he remind me of Benny Hinn?

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:02 pm

Teh Won, Levi.

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:03 pm

“I remember watching the sweat drip from his taut calves as he rode his bicycle through the sparkling daylight.”

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:03 pm

We’ve been investing in windpower for more than 30 years, when does he think it will be cost competitive?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:04 pm

So Obama has no plan again, just platitudes?

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:05 pm

I think Diane Sawyer just wet her panties.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:05 pm

Romney’s speech was Chock Full O’Plan. ‘N Bits.

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:05 pm

jimgeraghty ‏@jimgeraghty

“Our commander in chief did not hesitate when giving the order to fire the confetti cannons.”

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 pm

Romney’s put more out there than Obama.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 pm

So four more years of the same. I’ll vote for that! Not.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 pm

Sayeth Harry Potter, “It’s not nice to tell lies.”

Where is he when you need him?

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 pm

Our local all news radio channel carried Obama’s entire speech live (at least it seemed that way when I turned it off). I wonder if they did that for Romney. This wasn’t a Presidential State of the Union address or something important like that.

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:09 pm

daley… I just burgletweeted #126

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:11 pm

“Romney’s put more out there than Obama.”

– daleyrocks

1 may be infinitely more than 0, but it’s still f*cking 1, and not to be respected.

I don’t have to pretend that one of these clowns is good because the other one’s worse.

Leviticus (cd2e4b) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:11 pm

This did sound very much like a rerun, no monopoly on good ideas, I willing to do this or that, false choices to demonize his opponents, crumbling schools, more teachers, job training, energy independence which he has nothing to do with but is happy to take credit for, blah, blah, blah.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:11 pm

_____________________________________________

This speech is super-gay.

LOL. And for Obama, that would be a compliment—after all, he reportedly swings both ways.

But it’s funny how all the kooky left wingers who lash out at “big oil,” “big pharma,” “big business”…never seem to whine or protest when colleges increase their tuition from year-to-year.

And the continuing increase in costs they’ve been foisting onto their “customers” (ie, students) has been well above the rate of inflation for quite awhile now. Truly the essence of greed. And, in particular, truly the epitome of the greed of the “limousine liberal,” since the typical college campus is chock full of leftwing professors and staffers.

Mark (e03145) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:12 pm

I know he won’t, but I wish Cardinal Dolan would pray to spare us from what’s coming. Actually, he just did. I think he just may have refuted everything the President just said.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:13 pm

“I don’t have to pretend that one of these clowns is good because the other one’s worse.”

Leviticus – This is America! You don’t have to pretend anything you don’t want to.

Is this a great country or what?

Have a tasty cupcake, cupcake.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:13 pm

What’s the saying? “Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.”

Not much has changed. “Not only did Bush mess everything up, he messed it up far worse than anybody thought, that’s why I wasn’t able to keep any of my campaign pledges from 4 years ago. That’s why you should still re-elect me, no matter what I said before.”

MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:15 pm

Yep, I think Cardinal Dolan just gave the best speech of both conventions.

Ag80 (b2c81f) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:15 pm

“And the continuing increase in costs they’ve been foisting onto their “customers” (ie, students) has been well above the rate of inflation for quite awhile now.”

Mark – It’s also funny how the tuition and cost increases seem to outpace the increases in the availability in financial aid, almost like the two were linked or something.

daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:16 pm

Dr. Krauthammer is currently dropping the hammer on 0bama’s weak-suck speech.

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:22 pm

“One of the emptiest speeches ever given on national stage.”

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:28 pm

jimgeraghty “Why is Cardinal Dolan putting an empty chair out on stage?”

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:30 pm

JimPethokoukis “Stay the course. Trust me. It gets better. Trust me”

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:32 pm

You think the MFM will fact check Teh Won?

JD (318f81) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:37 pm

Too busy buying BIG zer0 swag and donating to the DNC under fake names, JD.

Colonel Haiku (e3ff6e) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:38 pm

18. There are 330,000 Christians in Israel the West Bank and Gaza. Arab and non Arab. And then there are organizations of the major Christian denominations. The graffiti was sprayed in a monastery. (one where monks are still living.)

Comment by sleeeepy — 9/6/2012 @ 9:48 am

Did the Joooooz take over the monastary, take hostages, and use the Bible as toilet paper like the heroes of the Al Aqsa martyr’s brigades at the Church of the Nativity in 2002?

If not, what’s your deal, Joooo h8r?

What’s next? You’re going to bring up the blood libel? Then accuse the readership of not caring about those poor Christian children?

Steve57 (40573d) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:40 pm

81. Somebody has to watch it to keep DWS among others honest. “Yes, there was a 2/3rds vote, there was no controversy”. Not exact words, but essentially a quote, unless someone “audio-shopped” and made up her quote.

Her new nickname per a comment on the radio, “The ‘Baghdad Bob’ of this convention”.

And she is the Chair of the DNC, not some individual out on her own.

Comment by MD in Philly — 9/6/2012 @ 5:22 pm

You do realize by now, Doc, that there is no keeping DWS honest.

She told Democratic canvassers that the Israeli ambassador told her the GOP was dangerous. The Israeli ambassador categorically denied that. So DWS said a “conservative” newspaper deliberately misquoted her. So the “conservative” paper produced an audio of her saying exactly what they quoted her as saying.

She just brazened it out.

Then her conversation with CNN’s Brianna Keilor yesterday went something like this:

Keilor: but I’m sure you don’t want to display such discord (over the God and Jerusalem in the platform) on national TV?

DWS: there was no discord.

Keilor: we just saw it.

DWS: no you didn’t.

I recall reading someone who said it was refreshing to see Billy Jeff back on stage as he was such a skillful liar and DWS is such a bad one.

Steve57 (40573d) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:54 pm

Hawkins had the best tweet of the night.

EBL (f71fce) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:55 pm

My impression seems to be the same as others:

Michelle Obama delivered a great speech, and Bill Clinton a good speech and Joe Biden a great speech, but Barack Obama’s speech was a dud.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:31 pm

Biden spoke about loyalty. Loyalty? –

That’s not a good thing – that is disloyality to public.

He also said Obama made Gutsy decisions.

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:34 pm

Obama’s speech was not as good as the others

His best line, was, as Bob Schieffer said, (although he ciollapsed it) about the Republican prescription for everything: cutting taxes.

…all they have to offer is the same prescriptions they’ve had for the last 30 years. Have a surplus? Try a tax cut. Deficit too high — try another.

Feel a cold coming on? Take two tax cuts, roll back some regulations, and call us in the morning. (Cheers, applause.)

That is probably genuine although the observation came from others.

What was definitely genuine in it was what he said about global warming and the environment. The environment was not in the other speeches. He said climate change was not a hoax or a joke.

He still wants to heal the planet, although there was no thought of slowing the rise of the oceans.
Now he is limiting his hopes to preventing floods, and droughts, and wildfires. (with a tax?)

He spoke about a choice between two paths (always exaggerate for an election)

he said Romney and Ryan were “new” to foregn policy. Romney had described Russia as the main opponent. It is very true thjis is a blunder,- but it doesn’t matter.

Mention of UK was unfair. Nothing really wrong.

And Obama got in an opportunity to call Great britain “our closest ally”

He compared himself to Lincoln, but I am not sure about what. It might have been some sort of a dog whistle. What was the original Lincoln
quote about?

Dog whistle: something that on;y the people in favor of something understand. There are also fake, claimed dog whistles.

He ran through a list of crisis which I think did not include Syria, only Arab spring – But Afghanistan is OK??

He never mentioned opponent’s name

Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:43 pm

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