Slick Willie: Those Damn Republicans Sure Did Run Up Our Debt, Huh?
I couldn’t help it. I listened to it on the radio.
I heard him telling the audience never to forget how the Republicans have run up the debt.
Obama adds $5 trillion to the debt in less than four years, and Slick Willie is blaming US for running up the debt.
Listening to that bumpkin lying like that just reminded me why I despise him so much.
UPDATE: Karl rebutted Bubba before Bubba had even opened his burgerhole.
Obama has been president for just over 1% of the nation’s history, and during that time he has run up 33% (ONE THIRD!) of the nation’s total debt.
Icy (232c10) — 9/5/2012 @ 9:54 pmOh, BTW, that’s former burger-hole to you! Our 42nd president is a vegan now.
I think this means that he steers clear of chicks that are lactating, or something (good news, Huma, you’re safe!).
Icy (232c10) — 9/5/2012 @ 9:58 pmHe wouldn’t dare lay a pudgy paw on Huma. That’s Shrillary’s beeotch.
Gazzer (c57582) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:01 pmIf Willie said that, he’s full of shit.
It’s Democrat controlled Congresses that have run up a huge debt. In 1995 the Republicans took control of Congress for the first time since the 1940s (and that was only for two years), and the debt stood at 66.4% of GDP. In 2007, the Democrats (unfortunately for America) retook control of Congress, at which point the debt stood at 63.8% of GDP.
There was NO real increase in the national debt, as long as the Dems were out of power.
Now, in 2012, just five years later, debt is at 104.8% of GDP…the highest it’s ever been since the Dems bungled us into WWII.
And it’s all thanks to the socialist maniacs in the Democrat Party…no matter how much bullshit Willie Brown tosses around.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:02 pmDid you notice all those women throwing their panties at the stage while he was speaking? Disgusting.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:03 pmwhoops, I meant Bill Clinton, not Willie Brown.
Can’t keep my Dems straight.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:05 pm“My fellow Americans, you have to decide what kind of country you want to live in.”–Slick
I decided that decades ago, and if I wanted to live in the kind of country liberals/Democrats have been trying to create, I’d just move to Cuba or the PRC, and have done with it.
I’ll be voting for Mitt Romney come November, because that’s the only viable alternative to the Democrats.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:41 pmBill looks pretty shaky, healthwise.
Gazzer (c57582) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:53 pmNo doubt he forgot to mention how he ran a bubble economy for his last 4 years, with people selling Internet sites to each other and calling commerce, and then let the bubble burst as he left office. And blamed Bush for the recession.
Why not? Like Obama, Bill has never owned any of his mistakes.
Just imagine what would have happened with the Internet bubble bursting, the Gore interregnum, and 9/1 if Bush hadn’t cut taxes.
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:47 pmcalling *it commerce
Kevin M (bf8ad7) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:50 pm_____________________________________________
I’d just move to Cuba or the PRC, and have done with it.
Dave, those examples actually make the idiocy and lunacy of leftism seem overly remote and somehow less pernicious, if only because Castro’s Cuba and post-Mao’s China — in which regimes were forced upon populaces that didn’t have the right to vote — may strike casual, apolitical observers as so extreme, they see the threat of the US following in such nations’ path as too distant and abstract to be worried about.
That’s why I have greater fear of America becoming far too similar to the ongoing debacle of a Greece or Spain, or to the always unraveling places like an Argentina or Mexico. Or, closer to home, a version of some screwed-up city like Detroit stretched to a nationwide size.
Mark (e03145) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:43 amOl Monica was pursing her lips for a cigar.
mg (44de53) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:53 amWhat a party.
Perusing the transcript it would seem Slick was a good boy, no double entendre, put the best face on DNF.
Went with flat out BS rather than abusing clear sense of Engrish.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:49 amR.I.P. songwriter Joe South, of “(I Never Promised You A) Rose Garden” fame
Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:40 amThis is why the Democrats adopted a strategy of not even passing budgets.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:46 amBill Clinton tells lies even when nothing’s at stake. He does it just to keep in practice.
Joe Miller (00407a) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:53 amI’m sure if anyone challenged wjc on this he would say “it depends on what the definition of debt is.”
Jim (748bc6) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:03 amDid you notice all those women throwing their panties at the stage while he was speaking? Disgusting.
Comment by daleyrocks — 9/5/2012 @ 10:03 pm
I gotta know. Are you being facetious, or did they really? I mean, after women walking around in costumes to resemble genitalia, anything seems possible.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 amAny time I think that full-blown totalitarianism in America is remote, I just go down to the local airport and watch thousands of Americans being forced to stand for warrantless unconstitutional searches.
Either that or I just look at my tax returns.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:28 amComment by Mark — 9/6/2012 @ 12:43 am
Med-style, Euro-Socialism is available for all to see (along with its corrupt pols) just by looking to the Golden State on the Left-Wing Coast.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:46 amI’m still calling BS on the Obama campaign and now Clinton’s attacks on Romney’s ads about gutting welfare reform. According to the original law, only Congress is allowed to modify its work requirements. Yesterday the GAO released a letter saying the changes should have been sent to Congress for approval. Robert Rector, a welfare policy expert continues to have the best analysis of the subject, citing the original law, its intent and loopholes. Other analysts merely cite memos saying this is what people say they will do. No comparison in knowledge or depth.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:00 amI watched the Cowboys and Giants game but nearly every time I checked in during commercial time outs to catch the gist of Clinton’s performance there the old goat was, a little older, not dissembling quite so brazenly, still waving the same index finger for emphasis.
And every time he did it reminded me of him doing exactly the same thing while falsely claiming he did not have sexual relations with that woman, Ms Lewinsky.
ropelight (158a0d) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:43 amI heard him telling the audience never to forget how the Republicans have run up the debt.
Obama adds $5 trillion to the debt in less than four years, and Slick Willie is blaming US for running up the debt.
That’s RIGHT! He ignored totally any debt run up since the beginning of 2009.
Don’t you ever forget, when you hear them talking about this, that Republican economic policies quadrupled the national debt before I took office, in the 12 years before I took office…
(APPLAUSE)
… and doubled the debt in the eight years after I left, because it defied arithmetic.
And of course we know he came in between, and at the end there were surpluses (although that could be qualified)
He’s talking as if there was no record since 2008.
I noticed the next sentence was a lie:
It was a highly inconvenient thing for them in our debates that I was just a country boy from Arkansas and I came from a place where people still thought two and two was four.
He was NOT a country boy from Arkansas. That’s a lie he’s ever since he went away from Arkanas to college. “The man from Hope” Famous for watermelons.
He grew up in Hot Springs, Arkansas.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:47 pmTHE GODFATHER, PART I
When Owen Vincent (Owney the Killer) Madden, died in April, 1965. . .
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– The Bookmaker’s Daughter by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor and Fields, 1991) page 273.
During approximately the 1955-65 period things were such in Hot Springs, Arkansas so that the city was nicknamed Little Vegas – but it was all kept out of the national press, even though slot machines were on many street corners.
It was in this mileau that Clinton got his start in politics – a job in a 1966 Gubernatorial primary campaign, and a patronage job in Washington with Senator Fulbright.
And even before, maybe.
Back somewhere in the late 1950’s Owney Madden had opened casinos in Hot Springs – completely illegally.
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– The Bookmaker’s Daughter:A Memory Unbound by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor and Fields, 1991) page 272.
BTW, what did Newsweek, in the 1990s, have to say about the Vapors?
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– article by Malcolm Jones, Jr. on page 59 of the January, 17, 1994 Newsweek. Of course, *possibly* a non-gambling version of the Vapors operated in recent years.
They were kept in operation partially because of payoffs to the Governor, Orval Faubus, whom you may have heard about in some other connection – the the Little Rock school crisis of 1957.
The whole Little Rock crisis was probably contrived so that he could get re-elected.
It was how he won his third 2-year term, breaking tradition. In all, he was Governor from the 1954 to the 1966 election. The casinos were not
closed until 1967 or 1968, during the Administration of Governor Winthrop Rockefeller and after Owney Madden’s death.
There wasn’t much publicity about all this, you know:
When Joseph Valachi, the first important Mafia informer, testified before Congress in September, 1963. . .
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– The Valachi Papers by Peter Maas, (G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1968) page 20.
** I didn’t put that in that book. It’s ALWAYS been there. **
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:49 pmSeems like the way I did it, the quotes disappeared on this system.
Owen Vincent Madden, Prohibition whiskey baron, nightspot owner, killer, and gray eminence in our community for many years, was laid to
rest in a handsome casket, as his obituary noted, amid a profusion of flowers. The local politician who spoke the eulogy recalled that “this
community’s prosperity and welfare were uppermost in the heart of this man, who for thirty years gave his all to Hot Springs. We know not and
care not what they said about him in New York, Chicago, or Washington.”
Mourners in snappy clothes appeared from all over the nation, and his pallbearers, as was only fitting, included such respected local citizens
as the chief of police.
– The Bookmaker’s Daughter by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor and Fields, 1991) page 273.
Flaunting their mob connections, Owney Madden and a group of investors opened Las Vegas-style casinos in the resort city, including one called the Vapors – a name that amused my literary
minded friends in New York. My hometown had become so flagrant, so raucous, that we could read about it almost weekly in the New York
Times.
– The Bookmaker’s Daughter:A Memory Unbound by Shirley Abbott (Ticknor and Fields, 1991) page 272.
We know not and care not what they said about him in New York, Chicago, or Washington.
– the Bookmaker’s Daughter, page 273.
By the way Shirley Abbott later wrote a false letter to the New York Times, claiming the machine was gone by the time Clinton was growing up. Not true: it came back, and so her book says.
I guess you could describe Owney Madden as a silver age Lex Luthor type character – he didn’t destroy the place where he was. There he looked sort of half good.
Owney Madden was the gray eminence of Hot Springs, close to the political machine of which Clinton’s step-uncle Raymond was an important
member. His Buick dealership (Raymond’s) was sort of headquarters for it:
He made his Buick dealership “a gathering place for powerful,politically savvy men in Hot Springs,” Kelley writes. “The big wheels.”
– Article by Michael Kelly in the New York Times Magazine of July 31, 1994, page 24.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:02 pmNow I will get to Bill Clinton (and his roots):
In his later years, he was a big contributor to charities, particularly for young people >>
– Associated Press obituary of resident Hot Springs, Arkansas “retired” gangster Owen Vincent (Owney the Killer) Madden’s in the Saturday,
April 24, 1965 New York Times.
(Italics mine. Boldface indicates a quotation)
Now, in 1965, that probably looked fine. It made Owney Madden look good.
But now read this:
Clinton’s career began while he was still a student at Hot Springs High School, where he was president of his junior class, the Beta Club
(for academic achievers) and the Kiwanis Key Club. By his late teens, Clinton was already a semi-professional politician, so greatly in demand
as a civics club speaker and leader of charitable fund drives that his high-school principal had to limit his engagements in order to protect
his schooling.
– Article by Michael Kelly in the New York Times Magazine of July 31, 1994, page 25.
Bill Clinton was a leader of charitable fund drives
Putting two and two together, what does this mean?
It means that Bill Clinton was raising money from Vincent Owen (Owney the Killer) Madden!!!
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:06 pmAccording to Lt. Butler’s testimony before the McClellan Committee, the Chicago gang “took over coin machine and amusement companies in
Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas” including slot machine, pinball, and jukebox routes.
– Contract on America: The Mafia Murder of President John F. Kennedy by David Scheim (Domald I. Fine, 1988) page 84.
Cross reference to:
“Just through talk, every person in town knew what was going on,” said Clay White, who for 23 years was an FBI agent based in Hot Springs and
is now the town’s sheriff. “The violations of the law were more or less accepted,”White said, adding that even Clinton’s uncle Raymond, who
owned the local Buick dealership “ran some slot machines that he had scattered throughout town.”
– July 20, 1992 Macleans Magazine.
Even Clinton’s uncle?
Like Raymond Clinton was surely an innocent?
This is spin.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:07 pmClinton’s speech went on for 48 minutes. It had been scheduled for 28 minutes. His speech 24 years ago, nominating Michael Dukakis for president, remembered as being long, went on for 33 minutes. This was a full length speech.
Clinton kept on emphasizing points. he must have done that a dozen times.
I thought he would speak a lot about his record. He did but only a little.
All of his speech was about economic issues. The only exception were two small references to voter ID requirements and to the Dream Act. He spoke about no other issues.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:39 pmThis is the only place Clinton goes off the topic of the economy and the budget:
If you want — if you want America — if you want every American to vote and you think it is wrong to change voting procedures…
(APPLAUSE)
… just — just to reduce the turnout of younger, poorer, minority, and disabled voters, you should support Barack Obama.
(APPLAUSE)
And if you think — if you think the president was right to open the doors of American opportunity to all those young immigrants brought here when they were young so they can serve in the military or go to college, you must vote for Barack Obama.
(APPLAUSE)
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:56 pmsince 1961, for 52 years now, the Republicans have held the White House 28 years, the Democrats 24. In those 52 years, our private economy has produced 66 million private- sector jobs. So what’s the job score? Republicans: twenty-four million. Democrats: forty-two. (APPLAUSE)
The New York Times fact checked that, expecting it to be worng, but it turned out to be right, according to Bloomberg news.
That’s because this includes two big expansions while a Democrat was President (Kennedy-Johnson and Clinton) and only one when a Republicvan was President (Reagan)
The New York Times didn’t fact check his reason
Now, there’s — there’s a reason for this. It turns out that advancing equal opportunity and economic empowerment is both morally right and good economics. Why? Because poverty, discrimination, and ignorance restrict growth.
Discrimination was eliminated only once: in the 1960s. At the same time, there was also a great increase in crime.
Now, there’s — there’s a reason for this. It turns out that advancing equal opportunity and economic empowerment is both morally right and good economics. Why? Because poverty, discrimination, and ignorance restrict growth.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:00 pmOne, assuming they try to do what they say they’ll do — get rid of — cover it by deductions, cutting those deductions — one, they’ll have to eliminate so many deductions, like the ones for home mortgages and charitable giving, that middle- class families will see their tax bills go up an average of $2,000,
So that’s where the $2,000 tax increase other speakers said Romney would do came from.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:02 pmWhat the federal budget is used for, accordinmg to Bill Clinton:
budget for the national parks, for ensuring clean air, clean water, safe food, safe air travel. They’ll cut way back on Pell grants, college loans, early childhood education, child nutrition programs all the programs that help to empower middle-class families and help poor kids. Oh, they’ll cut back on investments in roads and bridges and science and technology and biomedical research. That’s what they’ll do. They’ll hurt the middle class and the poor and put the future on hold to give tax cuts to upper-income people who’ve been getting it all along.
Cutting that was option number 2, according to Bill Clinton.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:03 pmOption number 3 for the Republicans was, according to Bill Clinton:
in spite of all the rhetoric, they’ll just do what they’ve been doing for more than 30 years. They’ll go and cut the taxes way more than they cut spending, especially with that big defense increase, and they’ll just explode the debt and weaken the economy, and they’ll destroy the federal government’s ability to help you by letting interest gobble up all your tax payments.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:05 pmSo you would think not cutting taxes (or letting them rise) on the upper brackets would avoid all these dismal choices.
That the budget is otehrwise in balance!
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:06 pmClinton on the debt and deficit:
Today, interest rates are low, lower than the rate of inflation. People are practically paying us to borrow money, to hold their money for them.
Thnis is all true, or almost true.
But it will become a big problem when the economy grows and interest rates start to rise.
Interest rates don’t have to rise. FDR and Truman kept them low. But Clinton doesn’t want to mention this idea.
We’ve got to deal with this big long-term debt problem or it will deal with us. It’ll gobble up a bigger and bigger percentage of the federal budget we’d rather spend on education and health care and science and technology. It — we’ve got to deal with it.
Clinton talks about the debt, but not about the deficit. You would think the budget was currently in balance or projected to be so in the future.
As Clinton would say Listen to this. Listen to this..
From what Clinton said, you would think the budget was currently in balance or projected to be so in the future.
He goes on:
Now, what has the president done? He has offered a reasonable plan of $4 trillion in debt reduction over a decade, with $2.5 trillion coming from — for every $2.5 trillion in spending cuts, he raises a dollar in new revenues, 2.5 to 1. And he has tight controls on future spending. That’s the kind of balanced approach proposed by the Simpson-Bowles commission, a bipartisan commission. Now, I think this plan is way better than Governor Romney’s plan. First, the Romney plan fails the first test of fiscal responsibility: The numbers just don’t add up.
What does Clinton call this thing? < Debt reduction
Deficit? Only Republicans cause deficits.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:12 pmAnd in the last 29 months, our economy has produced about 4.5 million private-sector jobs.
Nobody knmows where that came from.
Well, actually maybe they do.
CNN says:
http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/05/politics/fact-check-obama-jobs/index.html
The number Castro cites is an accurate description of the growth of private-sector jobs since January 2010, when the long, steep slide in employment finally hit bottom. But while a total of 4.5 million jobs sounds great, it’s not the whole picture.
Nonfarm private payrolls hit a post-recession low of 106.8 million that month, according to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. The figure currently stands at 111.3 million as of July.
While that is indeed a gain of 4.5 million, it’s only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date. The private jobs figure stood at 111 million in January 2009, the month Obama took office.
And total nonfarm payrolls, including government workers, are down from 133.6 million workers at the beginning of 2009 to 133.2 million in July 2012. There’s been a net loss of nearly 1 million public-sector jobs since Obama took office, despite a surge in temporary hiring for the 2010 census.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:17 pmClinton’s actual speech, compared with the prepared (or released) text:
http://www.npr.org/2012/09/05/160643183/transcript-bill-clintons-convention-speech
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:18 pmClinton added 2,300 words to a speech that started with 3,200 words of prepared text.
In other words, some 41% of it, was not released in advance.
Clint Eastwood was nothing compared to him.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:22 pmThe Obama administration sure does not want to take credit for all of Obama’s administration …
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:22 pmFinkelman, learn to edit.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:23 pmOn CBS after the speech, the anchors remarked on how much better that speech wass than anytjing else. He seemed to make the case for the Obnama Administration better than the administration did itself.
Bob Schieffer noted this:
In Tampa, the Republican argument against the president’s re- election was actually pretty simple, pretty snappy. It went something like this:
“We left him a total mess.
He hasn’t cleaned it up fast enough”
“So fire him and put us back in.”
In Clinton’s universe all Republicans are the same and all Democrats are the same. hje starts with that false premise.
And anything that happens during an Administration is that president’s fault.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:25 pmThe last two lines should not have been in boldface.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:26 pmClinton will rhetoriaclly concede IRRELEVANT POINTS and thewn go oin to where he wants to go.
he always credits his opponents with being decent people, because he wanmts to be credited with being a decent and honest person, which he’s not.
They looked good, they sounded good. They convinced me…
(LAUGHTER)
… that they all love their families and their children, and we’re grateful they’ve been born in America, and all — really, I’m not being — they did.
(LAUGHTER)
And this is important. They convinced me they were honorable people who believe what they’ve said and they’re going to keep every commitment they’ve made. We’ve just got to make sure the American people know what those commitments are.
(APPLAUSE)
Because — because in order to look like an acceptable, reasonable, moderate alternative to President Obama, they just didn’t say very much about the ideas they’ve offered over the last two years. They couldn’t, because they want to go back to the same, old policies that got us in trouble in the first place.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:29 pmWhat do you mean the same old policies that got us in triouble in the fiorst place?
Does he explain any of that?
No!
Well, he does say, cutting taxes. Well, that was done.
And they want to get rid of what he describes as pesky financial regulations designed to prevent another crash and prohibit federal bailouts
Now do they? Prevent another crash, that is? Did the absence of these regulations cause it? What regulations anyway?
And they want to increase defense spending over a decade $2 trillion more than the Pentagon has requested, without saying what they’ll spend it on
The need to project a budget in advance causes that. The point is, they don;t want cuts, and also you know to some degree what cuts mean.
What anyway does that have to do with happened before 2009? They spent too much money on defense?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:33 pmThey also want to block grant Medicaid and cut it by a third over the coming 10 years. Of course, that’s going to really hurt a lot of poor kids.
But that’s not all. A lot of folks don’t know it, but nearly two-thirds of Medicaid is spent on nursing home care for Medicare seniors who are eligible for Medicaid.
Mostly true. (Hurting poor kids means fewer on the rolls)
Of course the whole medical payment system is a mess.
And it would be much better to give seniors or their families control of the money for nursing care. They might actually be able to stay home then. And live better.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:49 pmIt’s going to end Medicare as we know it. And a lot of that money is also spent to help people with disabilities, including…
(APPLAUSE)
… a lot of middle-class families whose kids have Down’s syndrome or autism or other severe conditions.
And, honestly, just think about it. If that happens, I don’t know what those families are going to do.
The plan about cutting Medicare doesn’t change eligibility. It might change for Medicaid, but Medicaid is a terrible system.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:50 pmWhen some Republican governors asked if they could have waivers to try new ways to put people on welfare back to work, the Obama administration listened, because we all know it’s hard for even people with good work histories to get jobs today, so moving folks from welfare to work is a real challenge
The real problem, not well explained, is that a lot of “job training” is nonsensical, so it really shouldn’t count as work.
That’s the “new ways” to put people on welfare back to work.
Because it was hard to get people work, we had people asking to count other things. I don’t think just Republican Governors.
What the Obama Adminsitartion did, whatever it was, is not allowed under the law.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:53 pmSo if he’s elected, and if he does what he promised to do, Medicare will now go broke in 2016
Before he runs for re-election? Clinton avoids saying that. Maybe people might remember something like that.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:55 pmAnd the Republicans call it, derisively, “Obamacare.” They say it’s a government takeover, a disaster, and that if we’ll just elect them, they’ll repeal it. Well, are they right?
AUDIENCE: No!
CLINTON: Let’s take a look at what’s actually happened so far.
“So far” is really the operative clause. But you either know that or you don’t.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:56 pmFor the last two years, after going up at three times the rate of inflation for a decade, for the last two years, health care costs have been under 4 percent in both years for the first time in 50 years.
I don’t know what’s the story there.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:57 pmFirst, individuals and businesses have already gotten more than $1 billion in refunds from insurance companies because the new law requires 80 percent to 85 percent of your premium to go to your health care, not profits or promotion.
Or fraud prevention.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 3:58 pmNow, the agreement the administration made with the management, labor, and environmental groups to double car mileage, that was a good deal, too. It will cut your gas prices in half, your gas bill. No matter what the price is, if you double the mileage of your car, your bill will be half what it would have been. It will make us more energy independent. It will cut greenhouse gas emission. And according to several analyses, over the next 20 years, it will bring us another 500,000 good, new jobs into the American economy.
If you double the mileage, you’ll use the car more, but there’s probably some problems here with this.
Bill Clinton knows there’s no net gain in jobs.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:00 pmAnd they want to make enormous cuts in the rest of budget, especially programs that help the middle class and poor children.
Not poor adults?
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:02 pmAs another president once said, there they go again.
He likes that line.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, I like…
(APPLAUSE)
I — I like the argument for President Obama’s re-election a lot better. Here it is. He inherited a deeply damaged economy. He put a floor under the crash. He began the long, hard road to recovery and laid the foundation for a modern, more well-balanced economy that will produce millions of good, new jobs, vibrant new businesses, and lots of new wealth for innovators.
This is Clinton saying the situation is much worse. He never explains why.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:03 pmPresident Obama started with a much weaker economy than I did. Listen to me now. No president, no president — not me, not any of my predecessors — no one could have fully repaired all the damage that he found in just four years.
The complaint is that the recovery is anemic.
Anyway he says, nobody could have done better than President Obama.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:04 pmbut he has — he has laid the foundations for a new, modern, successful economy of shared prosperity. And if you will renew the president’s contract, you will feel it. You will feel it.
Clinton had argued that in 1994 the republicans gained control of Congress because his economic recivery plan hadn’t yet kicked in, but by 1996 it did. Actually, Hillarycare had a lot to do with the 1994 loss.
(APPLAUSE)
Folks, whether the American people believe what I just said or not may be the whole election.
Maybe, maybe.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:06 pmI just want you to know that I believe it. With all my heart, I believe it.
(APPLAUSE)
Now, why do I believe it? I’m fixing to tell you why. I believe it because President Obama’s approach embodies the values, the ideas, and the direction America has to take to build a 21st-century version of the American dream, a nation of shared opportunities, shared responsibilities, shared prosperity, a shared sense of community.
So let’s get back to the story. In 2010, as the president’s recovery program kicked in, the job losses stopped and things began to turn around. The Recovery Act saved or created millions of jobs and cut taxes — let me say this again — cut taxes for 95 percent of the American people.
Almost certainly not due to that act and Clintoin knows it. Monetary policy does not exist in his speech.
(APPLAUSE)
And in the last 29 months, our economy has produced about 4.5 million private-sector jobs.
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We could have done better, but last year the Republicans blocked the president’s job plan, costing the economy more than a million new jobs. So here’s another job score. President Obama: plus 4.5 million. Congressional Republicans: zero.
This of course presumes that Obama’s “jobs plan” would have actually created jobs.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:07 pmSammy’s off his meds, most likely.
Gazzer (6d748f) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:10 pmIt probably takes more words to rebut this than to it took to say.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:10 pmThere’s of course some just totally unfouncded rhetoric:
My fellow Americans, you have to decide what kind of country you want to live in. If you want a you’re-on-your-own, winner-take-all-society, you should support the Republican ticket. If you want a country of shared opportunities and shared responsibilities – a ‘we’re- -all-in-it-together’ society, you should vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:15 pmNext thing you know, he will be expounding, or copy pasting on the mating habits of the purple daubed Martian Cruddubber.
peedoffamerican (ee1de0) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:28 pmFinkleman’s got a fever and apparently the only cure is more cowbell!
Colonel Haiku (0927a3) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:54 pmSammy,
Why ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:05 pmSammy, your Mother will be canonized at some point in the future. I have no doubt she exhibits saintly qualities.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:09 pmYou know Sammmmmmy, you are directly violating copyright policy by copying and pasting all the drivel that you keep posting don’t you?
peedoffamerican (ee1de0) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:08 pmJust got home from work. How has it been, down here at Finkelrico’s Cut & Pastings?
Icy (ca4101) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:12 pm“Obama adds $5 trillion to the debt in less than four years, and Slick Willie is blaming US for running up the debt.”
Bambi is responsible for about 1.5 Trillion. The rest is Bush’s.
But if you want to blame both parties for the bubble [since all of a sudden you’re unhappy about the end of Glass Steagall, as liberals as opposed to DLC types always were] feel free.
Blame Clinton. He deserves it. But he was making the Republicans happy at the time.
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/?fa=view&id=3490
And Ryan wants to explode the debt. He’s as serious about economic policy as he is about running marathons.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 9:11 am66. Well if you want to get technical, and we’ve no reason to believe you should, given your obvious ciphering deficiency, SF Nan, bat-whisperer, is responsible for the whole shebang.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 9:33 amOh, Paul Ryan wants to ‘explode’ the debt. After all this time I thought he was clearly explaining his plan to reduce it.
Thanks, sleepy! Now I’ll vote for Obama because his lack of a budget for years is the kind of transparency we need on deficit spending.
Dustin (73fead) — 9/7/2012 @ 9:34 amIt’s called “obstructionism”
Republicans make demands, refuse to negotiate and filibuster.
Obama said his plans now include raising the retirement age and cutting social security. He caves and caves.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 9:50 amI wish he were more of the socialist you say he is. He is trying to make this country competitive again, but by screwing the poor a little less than you want him to. Check out the social programs in Germany. They’re amazing compared to what we have here.
You want the anarchy of Greece, where the top 10% pay no taxes at all.
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/09/05/owners-lose-possessions-after-home-near-twentynine-palms-is-mistakenly-foreclosed/
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:04 amNo charges files. No prosecution. This was a crime.
Obama doesn’t want to do it and neither does Romney.
Neotehr does anyone here, since I’ve never read anything here about prosecuting banks for crap like this. There’s a long record of this crap since the crisis began. But you just want to blame the negroes
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TWENTYNINE PALMS (CBSLA.com) — The owners of a modest home near Twentynine Palms lost their cherished possessions after a bank mistakenly foreclosed their residence.
A crew broke into Alvin and Pat Tjosaas’ desert home and took everything after being directed by Wells Fargo to secure the structure.
The couple, however, didn’t have a mortgage on the home.
Alvin said the deputy sheriff said, “Good news, we know who took (your possessions)…Wells Fargo. Bad news, your stuff is all gone.”
All the married couple has now are three generations of memories.
==It’s called “obstructionism”
Republicans make demands, refuse to negotiate and filibuster==
Has sleeeepy ordered an advance copy of Woodward’s new book yet I wonder? From the explosive excerpts from it I’ve seen printed at ABC, poor sleeeeepy’s going to have some cognitive dissonance to deal with with respect to his favored talking points versus the book’s quotes from leaders of both parties who were there and know what really happened. (Hint: The One does not come off well at all.)
elissa (5bdd9f) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:04 am“Bambi is responsible for about 1.5 Trillion. The rest is Bush’s.”
You’re simply a liar…like all Dem supporters.
Here’s the truth:
“It’s Democrat controlled Congresses that have run up a huge debt. In 1995 the Republicans took control of Congress for the first time since the 1940s (and that was only for two years), and the debt stood at 66.4% of GDP. In 2007, the Democrats (unfortunately for America) retook control of Congress, at which point the debt stood at 63.8% of GDP.”
“There was NO real increase in the national debt, as long as the Dems were out of power.”
“Now, in 2012, just five years later, debt is at 104.8% of GDP…the highest it’s ever been since the Dems bungled us into WWII.”
Congress borrows money…not presidents. The minute the Democrats regained majorities in Congress, they started borrowing and borrowing and then borrowing some more, and that’s why we are where we are.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:06 amBottom line: Obama’s promises for cutting the deficit in half and improving employment are broken promises.
Yeah, those are tough projects, but on spending it’s apparent he didn’t even try and if he wasn’t up to the job he really shouldn’t have run for the office.
Demonizing Paul Ryan and lionizing Bill Clinton are yet more attempts to change the subject of this election, which is a referendum on Obama’s economic performance.
Dustin (73fead) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:12 am“Bambi is responsible for about 1.5 Trillion. The rest is Bush’s.”
sleeeepy – Alternate conclusion, increase in Democrat spending in recessionary environment responsible for higher deficits and greater national debt.
The study you linked in typical liberal fashion asks questions irrelevant to answering what happened. Bush’s deficits declined to a low of $167 billion before of Democrats took office. If his tax policies and two wars are responsible for Obama’s incredible deficits, they can’t also be responsible for the puny $167 billion deficit, moron. Nothing changed.
Tax laws did not change, war spending did not radically increase. Think about it for a minute pea brain.
What changed was the economy and spending. Spending went through the roof and the economy tanked. D’oh!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:16 amThe Democrats did the same thing when they were the minority party. It’s what an opposition party does: opposes. Not particularly scandalized by either party doing it.
Chuck Bartowski (3bccbd) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:35 amdaley–do you think sleeeeeepy even understands that all the newly minted millions of Obama’s unemployed and underemployed are not paying the same amount into the government’s coffers that they used to back when they were gainfully employed and earning a paycheck? Sales taxes and income taxes into state and federal gov’t are way way down at all income levels while government spending has
elissa (5bdd9f) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:48 amacceleratedexploded under the Democrats. I question whether he does understand this very basic piece of the endless recession and non-recovery story–while he continues to insult others who do understand it.There’s a long record of this crap since the crisis began. But you just want to blame the negroes
— Okay, somebody help me out, here . . . What the HELL is he going on about, now?
Icy (ca4101) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:13 amThe Comatose One is so deranged, even MadCow would repeat his drivel with a smirk.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:13 am“The Democrats did the same thing when they were the minority party. It’s what an opposition party does: opposes. Not particularly scandalized by either party doing it.”
Sorry dude. Democrats roll over, the Republicans don’t.
Republican obstructionism is on a higher scale.
The country shifted right over 30 years, with the Republicans screaming the whole time that the country was going to the commies. Clinton reformed welfare, opened up banking.. all of those things Republican dreams. You’re pissed he got credit for it but liberals were pissed he did it. That’s something you don’t understand. You hated Clinton with a passion and now Obama accused of betraying someone you called evil? And Clinton has to go on stage and try to convince people that Obama not Romney is his true heir? How wacked is that?
Remember dude, I am a socialist. Bambi wants to make the world safe for bankers. Romney wants to go further and twist the knife.
http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_12/unprecedented_obstruction_and033982.php
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:15 amUSGOvernmentspending.com:
“The defense establishment that sent the White Fleet around the world before World War I was tiny, compared to the defense establishment of mid century. It was about 1.25 percent of GDP. Yet this tiny establishment was expanded into an expeditionary army in World War I that consumed over 14 percent of GDP and turned the tide of the war in France. After the war the armed forces were rapidly demobilized and defense spending returned to about 1.25 percent of GDP.”
“Then in World War II the United States achieved an unprecedented mobilization of resources, and defense spending rose to 42 percent of GDP in 1945. But after the war it never returned to previous levels. From a low of 7.33 percent of GDP in 1948 it doubled to 15 percent at the height of the Korean War in 1953, and was maintained at about 10 percent during the peak of the Cold War through the end of the Vietnam War. Against this the defense buildup during the Reagan era, from 5.6 percent of GDP in 1979 to 7 percent of GDP in 1986 was modest, and the Bush buildup from 3.6 percent in 1999 to 6 percent in 2010 to fight the first battles against Islamist extremism equally restrained. The plans of the Obama administration show a reduction in spending back to 4.6 percent of GDP by 2015.”
The military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan have NOTHING to do with the massive U.S. debt. Our defense expenditures are minscule compared to what they used to be, and defense spending is now only a small fraction of what the government pisses away.
Needless to say we’ve spend huge amounts on our military since 1900…and just about all of that was to fight wars (or not fight cold wars) that the liberals put us into.
Don’t like a big military? Take it up with the liberal Democrats. They’re the ones who saddled us with it.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:19 amRemember dude, I am a socialist.
It must be tough to be on the losing side of history.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:26 am79, 81. “dude, I am a socialist.”
Lada, meet Volt. $100 Billion in Green investment and all I got was a Chinese hard landing and an empty chair.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:37 am79. Funny I don’t see the cloture vote on the Senate Budget.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:39 am“Remember dude, I am a socialist.”
Belive me, it shows.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 11:50 am“Clinton reformed welfare”
Baloney. Up until the Republicans took control of Congress in 1995 it was business as usual welfarewise. The Republicans reformed welfare (although not much), and Slick had absolutely nothing to say about it.
Neither Slick nor any other president has the power to force Congress to fund welfare programs if they don’t feel like it.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:02 pm==You hated Clinton with a passion==
Again, sleeeeepy shows how little he understands the loyal opposition and how it used to work in this country to keep things in balance. I never have “hated” Clinton and many other Republicans do not either. Yes, I thought he demeaned the office of the presidency by his antics with Monica in the Oval Office and by wagging his finger at the American people about it. I disagreed with many of his policies, but not all. I’ve always thought he is smart in both scholarly and practical ways. I think he is one the four or five most natural and gifted politicians of the 20th century. Even with Clinton’s human failings- his appetites and lack of discipline– he is head and shoulders above our current president in most every respect.
elissa (5bdd9f) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:04 pm83. I don’t suppose the budget has to pass a cloture vote, still tweren’t any.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:08 pmAlso, Billy Jeff was savvy enough and confident enough in his own intellect not to have an unelected and unvetted grifter like Valerie Jarrett essentially running the country behind the scenes as shadow president.
elissa (5bdd9f) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:16 pmShe’s probably the only one in the Inner-circle who truly knows what Obama doesn’t know, and how to keep him from displaying his ignorance – now that has to be a full-time job.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:25 pm“I never have “hated” Clinton”
Screw Clinton. All three of my boys were forced to sign up for the Draft when that maggot was President and enforcing the Selective Service Act.
The same draft (created by Liberals like him) he pulled strings to get out of when the Vietnam War (also created by liberals like him) was going on.
He’s a lowlife POS.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:31 pmsleeeeepy’s claim that he is a socialist explains why sleeeeepy believes so many things that are not true.
SPQR (d67f98) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:37 pm“sleeeeepy’s claim that he is a socialist explains why sleeeeepy believes so many things that are not true.”
SPQR – I think sleeepy’s claim that he is a self-loathing socialist Joooo who hates white people but is scared of brown and black people indicates he needs a lot of intense therapy and that nobody should take anything he says seriously.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:12 pmDo you think the sleeeeepy troll may be a composite?
elissa (5bdd9f) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:17 pm“Do you think the sleeeeepy troll may be a composite?”
elissa – No, I think sleeeepy has been here before. He has not denied it.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:25 pm64. Comment by peedoffamerican — 9/6/2012 @ 10:08 pm
You know Sammmmmmy, you are directly violating copyright policy by copying and pasting all the drivel that you keep posting don’t you?
No, what I cut and pasted here, is either very short excerpts from numerous publications, cited as proof, or it is what I wrote in the 1990s – and this is only part of it – just the basics about Clinton maybe.
Or it’s from Clinton’s speech this week, which I don’t think is copyrightable and in any case everything is comment.
And what I wrote about Clinton;s background is not drivel. When some people said the coverup resembled Mafia cases they were closer to the truth than they knew.
If you would read what I posted, you would see that Clinton was close to the founder of organized crime in America – although I didn’t include that little tidbit about Owney Madden. Jimmy Breslin called Owney Madden that in his biography of Damon Runyon, published in 1991.
Nor did I speculate about what further things Owney Madden (1891-1965) might have done.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:33 pmBill Clinton also was fascinated or admired Jesse James, who operated out of Hot Springs, Arkansas..
Jesse James was an ex-confederate, but when robbing people, he wore Union blue.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:35 pmI didn’t catch everything wrong with Clinton’s speech, or remember to note it down here.
Today the New York Times has a front page story about Medicaid, which evidently started from fact checking
Clinton’s speech:
With Medicaid, Long-Term Care of Elderly Looms as a Rising Cost
They didn’t make that into a fact checked item, but they ran a whole article whose import was, well, what is true is a startling enough fact.
Though former President Bill Clinton overstated in his convention speech on Wednesday how much Medicaid spends on the elderly in nursing homes — they account for well under a third, not nearly two-thirds, of spending — Medicaid spends more than five times as much on each senior in long-term care as it does on each poor child, and even more per person on the disabled in long-term care.
Clinton had said:
A lot of folks don’t know it, but nearly two-thirds of Medicaid is spent on nursing home care for Medicare seniors who are eligible for Medicaid.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 1:45 pm“I think sleeepy’s claim that he is a self-loathing socialist Joooo who hates white people but is scared of brown and black people”
Who says I’m self-loathing? And my skin isn’t that light. People in my family must not have bedded very many Slavs while we were in Europe.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:04 pmWe still look like A-rabs.
but when robbing people, he wore Union blue.
Performance Art.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:11 pmHe was in character, since to many in the South, all Yankee’s were thieves and murderers.
Comment by Dave Surls — 9/7/2012 @ 12:31 pm
All three of my boys were forced to sign up for the Draft when that maggot was President and enforcing the Selective Service Act.
It was Jimmy Carter who restarted draft registration in 1979 or 1980. (It was supposed to show something against the Soviet Union for its invasuion of Afghanistan – althouigh actually what they did in 1979 is overthrow somebody they had put in. Or maybe not there ahd been a coup in 1973 and there was coup within the coup in 1978. The Soviet Union actually wanted to ease conditions in Afghanistan, because Amin was too Stalinist. The whole thing was observed by U.S. spy sattelites because satekllites had been directed in that area as a result of teh fall of Shah)
No President has had the courage to get rid of this totally useless draft registration since Jimmy Carter put it in.
The same draft (created by Liberals like him) he pulled strings to get out of when the Vietnam War (also created by liberals like him) was going on.
He’s a lowlife POS.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:13 pmLast two senetnces are from Dave Surls and should have been cut.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:14 pm62. Comment by Elephant Stone — 9/6/2012 @ 7:05 pm
Sammy,
Why ?
Clinton claiming to be a country boy from Arkansas was a little bit of a motive for me, but I really want to let more people know.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:18 pm“Who says I’m self-loathing?”
sleeeepy – It’s obvious. Who asked about the sex lives of your ancestors?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:18 pmIf yer Godless and ya know it, clap yer hands, clap clap
Colonel Haiku (0927a3) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:33 pmif yer Godless and ya know it clap yer hands, clap clap
if ya hate yerself some Jesus
say Gaia bless you when ya sneezes
if yer Godless and ya know it clap yer hands, clap clap.
Comment by Colonel Haiku — 9/7/2012 @ 2:33 pm
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:39 pmGifted in not only haiku
why, thank you, Doc.
Colonel Haiku (0927a3) — 9/7/2012 @ 3:48 pmI’d grant they bungled us into WWI, but we NEEDED to be in WWII. What they’ve done has been to bungle the economy twice using the same idiotic BS, the 30s and now this current mess, both getting us into it and prolonging its severity.
IGotBupkis, Purveyor of Fine Cynicism Since 2008 (aacc3d) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:05 pmComment by Colonel Haiku — 9/7/2012 @ 3:48 pm
Yr’welcome, give credit where credit is due.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:29 pmABC news web page showing the differences between the prepared text and the speech Bill Clinton actually delivered. Adlibbed changes underlined, left out word showing strikeouts. What’s left out is mostly because of grammatical reasons – sometimes just the difference between a word being capitalized and not.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/fullpage/adlibber-bill-clinton-off-script-dnc-17174059
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/10/2012 @ 2:24 pmHello.This article was extremely interesting, especially since I was investigating for thoughts on this issue last Thursday.
canada goose (150d4f) — 10/3/2012 @ 3:04 pm