God and Israel
Both mere afterthoughts for the Democrats.
And that’s being kind. Many actively wanted to exclude both.
UPDATE: Here’s video of Democrats during the addition of references to God and Jerusalem to the platform.
Via Allahpundit, who says: “The takeaway, though, for attack-ad purposes isn’t the boos but the degree of opposition to adding the language in the first place.” He also wonders how Obama could have personally intervened to strengthened the language about recognizing Jerusalem when he has a policy of non-recognition. (At the very least, the White House spokesman refuses to identify Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.)
The answer to that is simple. Pander to the Jewish vote in Florida now, screw Israel later. Duh.
UPDATE: Please do watch that video all the way through to watch L.A.’s mayor lying his ass off about whether 2/3 of the delegates voted to change the platform. Hilarious.
…”M. Chair, it is not the duty of the Parliamentarian to decide close voice votes; I suggest you call for a show of hands if it is not clear to you.”
htom (412a17) — 9/5/2012 @ 9:55 pmIf you’re gonna deny the Lord, then it is best you disregard the Holy Land as well. It’s the Dem’s own little Two-for-Tuesday special!
Icy (232c10) — 9/5/2012 @ 10:04 pmWell Hot Air gets it exactly right: the Democrats cared not one whit about mentioning God and affirming Jerusalem as the capital of Israel until the GOP (and, really mostly, conservative bloggers) made it a huge issue over the past few days. If the roles were reversed and it had been the GOP who had to amend their platform in the face of widespread criticism, you can bet the usual media suspects would be blaring headlines about what an embarrassing about-face this is to the party and how this shows what disarray they are in.
Give credit to the NY Times. They have an article about this fiasco. So too does the Washington Post. NBC, CBS, Fox, and ABC also have stories on their homepages, though the story appears way down at the bottom of the ABC News page whereas the other networks have it located more prominently.
Now, does anybody want to guess which major metropolitan American newspaper has nary a word about this interesting tidbit on their homepage? For a little perspective, this newspaper’s homepage as of 11:00 pm has stories with headlines such as “Bill Clinton fires up convention, praises Obama,” “Fluke: GOP positions ‘offensive, obsolete relic’ of past,” “Elizabeth Warren declares ‘the system is rigged’,” and “Obama makes surprise visit to watch Clinton’s speech,” but nothing to suggest that there is any hint of dissension or disharmony in Charlotte. Take a wild guess on which paper is carrying the most water for Obama and his party.
JVW (edec8d) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:05 pmThey finally did put something up, actually, but it is hilarious how hard they shill. http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/middleeast/la-na-dnc-platform-20120906,0,473700.story
Blood in the water.
Dustin (73fead) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:19 pmThanks Dustin. Can you perchance tell me what the time stamp is on that story? I have exhausted my free access to the LAT site, and I’ll be dammed if I pay them one red cent for their content. When I posted at 11:00 pm, that story was not yet up. I see now that it is linked on the homepage.
Odd that the west coast paper, which ought to have staffers up the latest, was the last one to cover this issue. I wonder if they saw the prominently position that other news outlets were giving the story and were shamed into including it.
JVW (edec8d) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:30 pmAdd COAL to that list too (even Clinton was told to remove when claiming “all of the above energy program”)
Steven W. (8c830e) — 9/5/2012 @ 11:33 pmI don’t see a timestamp. I think it was 11:10 pm or so. It was the newest item when I checked after your comment.
The degree of spin is just laughable.
The democrats wanted God removed from their platform. Just a fact. The way they avoided a vote on the subject speaks volumes.
Dustin (73fead) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:27 amDems think they have more power than God.
mg (44de53) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:37 amThey are putrid.
The dems treat God and Israel as if it were a misdeal in card game.They really are putrid.
mg (44de53) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:47 amin a card game
mg (44de53) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:48 amR.I.P. songwriter Joe South, of “(I Never Promised You A) Rose Garden” fame
Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:42 amI don’t get it. Why all this angst over a piece of paper?
It’s just there to get votes. It doesn’t mean anything. Like the Constitution.
Amphipolis (d3e04f) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:07 amI don’t know how God votes, but Jews don’t vote Republican. Israel is more trouble than it’s worth and it’s time we gave it back to Russia.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:15 amDWS lives in an alternate universe.
JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:33 am1 htom- It would appear Chairman Villaraigosa was using Roberto’s Rules of Order…
Birdbath (716828) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:01 amDemocrat leadership and activists hate God. God is against their actions, and the Democraps know it.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:13 amI’ll take my 5:15 a.m. comment back.
I don’t really believe our support for Israel should be based on how American Jews vote. There is much to admire in Israel’s struggle to create an island of civilization in a sea of barbarity. And much to criticize in its hunger for territory after 1972.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:16 amNK, you have not criticized the Arabs’ hunger for Israel’s territory since the Jews were scattered by the Romans, Ottomans, etc.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:38 amIt truly was precious how DWS kept repeating the same talking points when CNN’s Briann Keilar just wouldn’t let it go. Repeatedly trying to find out how these Democrats deliberately deleted the words God and references to Jerusalem out of the platform (of course, no one is pursuing the question of why the DNC dropped any references to Hamas as a terrorist group but that’s a different story).
DWS must have tried deflecting, she kept repeating “President Obama’s personal view,” several thousand times. But Brianna kept asking “how did it happen in the first place.”
Finally departing slightly from the script, DWS said it was a technical oversight as the platform is “several pages” long.
Awww! Several whole pages.
You could see DWS thought this was clever and would settle the matter. As if no one outside of Congress deals with documents that are several pages long and we’re all going to be impressed.
I don’t think Brianna giggled at that point. She giggled at least once during the interview at the drivel coming out of DWS’s mouth as she stuck to the talking points like a rabid pit bull, but I don’t think that was it.
I keep reading that DWS isn’t an idiot, but I have yet to see any evidence of that assertion.
Steve57 (40573d) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:43 am19, Steve57, you have to pass the platform to see what is in it or not.
We now know the reading stamina of the average Democrat, 1 page.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:45 amThree lines, PCD. For most people, including judges.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:07 amMe too, these days. 😉
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:07 amUPDATE: Here’s video of Democrats during the addition of references to God and Jerusalem to the platform.
Via Allahpundit, who says: “The takeaway, though, for attack-ad purposes isn’t the boos but the degree of opposition to adding the language in the first place.” He also wonders how Obama could have personally intervened to strengthened the language about recognizing Jerusalem when he has a policy of non-recognition.
The answer to that is simple. Pander to the Jewish vote in Florida now, screw Israel later. Duh.
Patterico (83033d) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:09 amBut Patterico, Michelle tells us that Obama always does what he says ?
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:11 amPCD, I like to focus on the positive, not the negative. Jewish joke. Safe.
http://krites.blogspot.com/2006/07/overheard-inside-israeli-tank.html
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:13 amI added this line to the update with a link to video:
“(At the very least, the White House spokesman refuses to identify Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.)”
Patterico (83033d) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:19 amI suppose it’s possible that Carney just had no clue.
Patterico (83033d) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:19 amNK,
What are you talking about with your assertion that Israel has had a “hunger for territory since 1972” ?
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:21 amSettlements, annexing, Palestinian ghettos strips, “resettlement” of Palestinians, theft of Palestinians’ three-generation-owned homes …?
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:25 amI know schadenfreude is probably sinful, but it can be so delicious! Watching the look on the face of our own Gross Villan when he had no clue was truly priceless. Then he did what any good democrat would do; ignored the vote and declared victory.
BarSinister (664312) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:29 amEstone
nk’s comment on Israel’s “hunger for land” after 72 – demonstrates to me the effect on years and years of outright lying by the arabs over Israels plight in the gulf.
Top have someone as stalwart as nk saying Israel is too much trouble is EXACTLY the long con game the arabs are playing after they lost 4 straight wars.
EPnk's comment on Israel WJ (e83e82) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:29 amwhoops that last one was me
EPWJ (e83e82) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:34 amThe pandering to Israel should be left off both platforms, but most importantly, the policy of the next administration. America’s business is American business, not that of a foreign state.
Gerry (beb9e3) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:45 amI believe that America is God’s Promised Land, not Israel, but trying telling that to the Evangelicals.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:03 amHas no one else said it?
You had to pass the Platform before finding out what was in it.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:04 amNK,
I’m sorry, but I don’t know what you’re talking about when you say Israel has demonstrated a hunger for land since 1972.
I would say Israel has a hunger for survival.
Israel has had a hunger for defending their own borders from neighbors who launch rockets, throw grenades over fences, and strap bombs underneath their shirts while dressing up in disguise as Orthodox Jews so as to go undetected.
Israel is not looking to invade its neighbors—but its neighbors are looking to invade Israel. Many of Israel’s neighbors’ school textbooks do not even list Israel on the maps that are taught to schoolchildren.
Egypt is currently in violation of the Camp David accords by encroaching upon the Sinai Peninsula toward Israel’s border without an “OK” by Israel.
Israel gave the Sinai Peninsula back to Egypt nearly 35 years ago—that’s a land-giveback, not a land grab.
Israel’s neighbors often publicly announce that one day in the future, Israel will be occupied by Muslims as part of a future caliphate. That sure sounds like a declaration of “hunger for land,” but it’s not coming from the mouths of Israelis.
The United States allows people to cross the border from Mexico, but if people in Tijuana, Mexico were launching rockets into San Diego, California, or throwing hand grenades over the fence into San Diego, the United States would take action to make those borders more defensible.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:07 am35, MD, I said it in #20.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:13 am_____________________________________________
“The takeaway, though, for attack-ad purposes isn’t the boos but the degree of opposition to adding the language in the first place.”
I guess I’ve come to have such a low regard for liberals and liberalism in the 21st century, that upon watching the video, I was actually surprised there were as many people saying “aye” than I originally assumed there would be. However, Tony Villar (btw, a known cocaine user, but, hey, in today’s era that’s okay and hip) needing to get a response 3 times in a row, and then eventually ignoring the final verbal vote, speaks volumes.
As for Ted Strickland (an “ordained United Methodist minister”), he’s a perfect example of an apparently active Christian who, beyond his opinion of aspects of his party’s platform, is infusing (or corrupting) Protestantism with as much modern-day leftism as what media types have done to the publishing industry, what academics have done to public schools and universities, what Hollywood has done to entertainment. It’s like any which way one turns, one can’t get away from the bilge of “liberalism is a noble cause!”
Mark (e03145) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:16 amI would have no problem with Israel annexing the West Bank, Gaza, and the Golan Heights if it had granted full Israeli citizenship to their then current residents. Why didn’t it?
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:21 amAs for Camp David, it was Sadat and Carter angling for a Peace Prize. And Oslo disproved the myth that Jews are smart — Israel bought more war.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:24 amThe pandering to Israel should be left off both platforms,
I don’t agree, but I can at least somewhat accept an isolationist position regarding Israel and the Middle East in general. But nothing makes me more irritated than those people who shed tears for Israel’s neighbors, or certainly the Palestinians, in the belief that such societies are somehow wonderful, beautiful, heroic underdogs fighting the good battle against the mean, big, greedy Israelis.
Such people remind me of a liberal I know who last year expressed glee when Mubarak was ousted from Egypt. Many on the left reacted that way probably because they saw the former president as a capitalist tool, as a toady of the US and West, and, oh, how awful it was for the sad, dejected people of Egypt to endure decades of America’s hegemony.
We now have the sharia-law-loving Muslim Brotherhood in charge of one of Israel’s neighbors, which I guess is just desserts to the left of the Western World.
Mark (e03145) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:28 am____________________________________________
if it had granted full Israeli citizenship to their then current residents
That’s philosophically proper, and, yes, it’s infused with pro-democracy sentiment. But it reminds me of a lone voice of sanity (eg, a non-dyed-in-the-wool liberal) trying to survive in the middle of a stereotypically dysfunctional urban American environment (eg, a city like Detroit), encouraging the average resident in such places to “get out and vote!!”
Then that idealistic person a few years later, out of desperation, picks up his bags and moves the hell out of the community he loved being so idealistic about.
Mark (e03145) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:41 amOk, Mark. I know you, now.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:46 amNK,
Friend, it wasn’t even in 1972 as you claim—it was the 1967 war in which the Israelis took military control over a few areas as a means of providing a buffer zone to protect their citizens living in then-indefensible borders.
This notion that Israel had a responsibility to grant citizenship to all those people who wanted Israel’s destruction is simply misguided and naive.
Again, Israel is not calling for their neighbors’ annihilation—but Israel’s neighbors are calling for Israel’s annihilation. There is not a moral equivalency there.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:48 amWhich state of the union is Israel?
EdWood (c2268a) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:49 amMark,
Nice work.
This notion that we’re “pandering” to Israel is such nonsense.
We have their back (and they have ours) because they are a great strategic ally. It’s a mutually beneficial friendship.
The fantasies of isolationism are naive. Nations could afford to be more isolationist 150 years ago prior to transportation, trade, and technology advances, but no longer.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:55 am39, 40. Even Einstein admitted the ‘Jews are smart’ myth was false.
The Truth has always been “the God who is God is with them”.
The Palestinians are Jordanian subjects, a disenfranchised majority even now within her borders.
Black September blew the Earth’s vermin plagues’ chances of ever being restored to their homeland, east of the Jordan.
Stick to what you know, wizened one.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:02 am“Again, Israel is not calling for their neighbors’ annihilation—but Israel’s neighbors are calling for Israel’s annihilation. There is not a moral equivalency there.”
Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Pray for the destruction of Iran
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=282661
Yosef is also the one who claims that gentiles on exist on earth to serve jewish masters
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=191782
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:13 am34. The value of what one believes resides in the authority on which it stands.
The authority of scientific experiential validation is that supreme authority our Western civilization acknowledges.
Various groups of knuckle-draggers still rely on their own interpretation of holy scriptures, extant and tested over milennia.
Certain irascible codgers feel their own authority beats all.
Spot the fool.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:14 amPalestinians are from Palestine. The mandate government even made up Palestinian postage stamps. You can google them.
I guess I put this on the wrong thread
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:15 amhttp://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/christians-in-jerusalem-want-jews-to-stop-spitting-on-them-1.137099
We watched a leftist organization in the fullness of their anti-democratic impulse.
Even the Mare of Al-Lay could not conceal his uneasiness with calling the election in the Party’s favor, when it was clearly a tie. “Let them do what they’re gonna do,” his minder said when he looked to her for guidance.
When does the purge start?
Patricia (e1d89d) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:16 amDid anyone look more iconic of the party (and incompetent) than Mayor Tony Villar in not knowing how to ram through a voice vote?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:16 amWTF, having to call for a vote three times?
Sam Rayburn is rolling in his grave, and wouldn’t know whether to laugh or cry.
52. Amen.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:21 am“We watched a leftist organization in the fullness of their anti-democratic impulse.”
No. You watched a conservative organization in fullness of their anti-democratic impulse.”
The democratic party can not by definition be leftist when it rams policies republicans agree with down the throats its own membership
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:26 am“A word means what I want it to mean when I say it.”
“Off with their heads!”
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b8ab92) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:31 amComment by MD in Philly — 9/6/2012 @ 8:04 am
You had to pass the Platform before finding out what was in it.
Absolutely true. It passed by a voice vote on Tuesday (you wonder if anybody could characterize whatever happened Tuesday, which I don’t know, as any kind of a vote)
That’s why it needed a 2/3 vote to amend.
And besides no
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:33 amI love the lady next to him, and what she says: “You just have to rule and let them do what they’re gonna do”.
Priceless.
JonInVa (627bcd) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:35 amsleeeepy, how do you get to the conclusion that a 90 year old rabbi speaks for the State of Israel?
TomB (4a72e4) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:36 amSleeeeeeeeeeerpy’s continuum of political thought is adorable. Hint. To the right of sleeeeeeeerpy is not necessarily right.
JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:37 amPostage?!
FLASH! Sleeeeepy proves that the Pricipality (not really) of Sealand is an actual country:
Coins and postage stamps of Sealand
TomB (4a72e4) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:42 amAnd besides nobody seems to be mentioning that it needed two thirds. Most of the reporting about it says it seemed to be close – but that means it was definitely not two thirds.
And there’s another problem, too:
“There was no discussion. We didn’t even see it coming. We were blindsided by it,” said Noor Ul-Hasan, a Muslim delegate from Salt Lake City, who questioned whether the convention had a quorum at the time to even amend the platform. [sic – should be “even had a quorum”]
– Next to last paragraph of an article by Carl Campanile, Josh Margolin and Geoff Earle on page 8 of the Thursday, September 6, 2012 New York Post.
And you thought there were Mormons in Salt Lake City!
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:45 amThe original 70-page platform also forgot to describe Hamas as a terrorist organization, but I guess nobody noticed that, or complained loudly enough about it, till too late.
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:53 amBoth parties took out the Jerusalem embassy issue this year.
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:55 amTomB.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:10 amThe British Mandate. Postage stamps for Palestine.
The mandate was not a fiction.
It’s funny… sleeeepy says that the democrats are too conservative. The party that went from “ask not what your country can do for you,” to “if you’ve got a business, you didn’t build that.”
Sleepy, here’s a primer for you: if you want more government control, you’re on the left. Regardless if they are “republican positions,” that vote was exactly how progressives operate. “Oh, 60% oppose? The motion carries with a 2/3 majority!”
Ghost (6f9de7) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:24 amWhat is the ratio of postage stamps to homicide bombers in Pali?
JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:25 am“The original 70-page platform also forgot to describe Hamas as a terrorist organization, but I guess nobody noticed that, or complained loudly enough about it, till too late.”
Sammy – People noticed. Just scan some blog stories instead of the New York Times.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:29 amComment by JVW — 9/5/2012 @ 11:05 pm
Give credit to the NY Times. They have an article about this fiasco.
In the printed paper on Thursday, September 6,
it’s not on the front page, and there’s not even a squib about it. But it is the leadoff independent article on page A14, the first of 5 inside pages on the convention or election. The long Bill Clinton speech also has two paragraphs on this well down the article, 9 and 8 paragraphs from the end.
So too does the Washington Post. NBC, CBS, Fox, and ABC also have stories on their homepages, though the story appears way down at the bottom of the ABC News page whereas the other networks have it located more prominently.
The New York Post has an article on page 8, with a full page wide headline, and it is the subject of the first half of John Podhoretz’s column, and 5 paragraphs of their editorial “Dems Messed-UP Message” are taken up with it.
The Wall Street Journal has a 5-word squib (part of Convention Journal) on the front page, which directs you to an article on page A6. It seems like Obama apparently knew language on Jerusalem had been taken out, but he asked his staff wondered why language that mentioned God had been changed. There is also a separate editorial on this, and an op-ed piece by Elliott Abrams, which discusses previous platforms.
Now, does anybody want to guess which major metropolitan American newspaper has nary a word about this interesting tidbit on their homepage?
As far as I can tell, there is absolutely no mention of the platform change, and the way it was done, in the printed edition of the New York Daily News today, although it’s got two tabloid pages of convention coverage..
It seems to be the only paper having much about Sheldon Silver today (all of page 14) although all the papers had a lot on Wednesday.It says he may be on the way out. Vito Lopez, meanwhile, is collecting proxies for the vote Sept 19 for Brooklyn party boss. He moved the location from downtown Brooklyn to Kingsborough Community College at the eastern end of Coney Island. It may be more to change the rules than anything else. Maybe he doesn’t want Seddio to succeed him any more.
a wild guess on which paper is carrying the most water for Obama and his party.
I think the LA Times probably still wins. The Daily News is much more subtle, and limited, about these things. But that’s the paper that ran the Gingrich cartoon, which Schumer cited on the House floor like it was a news article, on its front page in 1995.
Sammy Finkelman (8c951a) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:31 am“Palestinians are from Palestine.”
sleeeepy – I am from daleyland. I have my own stamps!
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:35 amsleeeeepy gettin’ his anti-Semite on, and EdWood crawls out of his hole.
Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:57 amR.I.P. Art Modell, longtime owner of the Cleveland Browns/Baltimore Ravens NFL franchise
Icy (232c10) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:24 amWhen discussing the USA’s alliances with nations such as Canada, Great Britain, Australia, Taiwan, France, Germany, or the former Soviet-bloc Eastern European nations such as Poland, Georgia, Latvia, et al, we never hear characterizations or language such as “pandering” or “secret motives,” or “The Polish Lobby,” or “The British Lobby.”
Nobody ever asks, “What business is it of ours to show public support for Taiwan ? Since when did Taiwan become the 51st state ?!”
But all those characterizations are uniquely reserved by some people to describe our alliance with Israel.
I wonder what drives them to say stuff like that about the one nation in the world that just happens to be overwhelmingly populated by Joooooos.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:37 amComment by PCD — 9/6/2012 @ 8:13 am
My apology for missing it and not giving you credit.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 12:33 pm“GOD…IN OR OUT…LET ‘THE WON’ DECIDE!”
God’s children just voted against Him.
Aren’t they’re just the little hellions!
But . . . there is “precedent”–Lucifer,
Rejected Heaven in rebellion.
Then, again . . .just a fabrication,
Right? “God’s Greatest, Whitest, Little Lie”!
Don’t forget, lots do it EVERY DAY!
So, this isn’t really a big thing.
“Nothing to see here, just move along.”
There’re still lots of Angeles to sing,
Praises to the Creator and King,
Right? So what if we no longer believe?
But, but, what about “In God We Trust”?
That’s EVERYWHERE? How can we cope?
Documents, buildings, EVEN OUR MONEY!
Could “Printing Press Bernanke” hope,
To print ENOUGH TRILLIONS—he’s no dope,
Right? It would take a “miracle”…of sorts.
Maybe we should “just vote Him back in”?
Now, there’s real POWER anyone can see—
God’s creations will now “switch places”!
We’ll just vote Him back in—you and me,
Oh, “THE WON”—He’s our TRUE Deity,
Right? HE has to make this decision!
I’m glad we had this conversation!
Baby Clock (a613f3) — 9/6/2012 @ 1:29 pmFor “convenience” we’ll keep God in this nation!
Right?
Yesterday:
DNC’s Wasserman Schultz, Gaspard cancel interviews amid platform debacle
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:17 pm48. Rabbi Ovadia Yosef didn’t mean destroy Iran, the country.
He basically founded and controls one of Israel’s political parties: Shas
He’s been briefed by Netanyahu. So has another Rabbi, with influence on some other members of the Knesset.
Similarly: Shas Minister Atias: About Iran, ‘We Need to Pray’
In the framework of a discussion on Iran, Housing Minister Ariel Atias (Shas) told Radio Kol Chai listeners on Thursday, “We need to pray.”
The hareidi-religious Sephardic Shas party lawmaker, a member of the Security Cabinet, made the remark one day after a meeting summarily ended by Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu over leaks to the media.
“As a believing Jew, on the eve of Rosh HaShana, I can tell you that in regard to the nations about which it is said, ‘these by the sword and these by peace,’ we need to pray,” Atias told radio show host and interviewer Noam Sigman…
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 2:23 pmL.A.’s mayor lying his ass off about whether 2/3 of the delegates voted to change the platform
He wasn’t lying… it’s just that he had found a lot of additional votes in the trunk of his car, which put the resolution he favored over the top.
malclave (1db6c5) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:01 pm“Rabbi Ovadia Yosef didn’t mean destroy Iran, the country.”
He was much more direct than Khomeini, and Ahmadinejad.
“Rabbi Ovadia Yosef: Pray for the destruction of Iran”
http://www.jpost.com/JewishWorld/JewishNews/Article.aspx?id=282661
Also in the J. Post
“ ‘Goyim were born only to serve us. Without that, they have no place in the world – only to serve the People of Israel,’ he said in his weekly Saturday night sermon on the laws regarding the actions non-Jews are permitted to perform on Shabbat.”
http://www.haaretz.com/blogs/focus-u-s-a/when-michael-oren-irked-bob-simon-1.425972
When Michael Oren irked Bob Simon
Was it justified for Israel’s Ambassador to the U.S. to contact top CBS officials in a quest to influence a ’60 Minutes’ report on Israel’s Christian community?
Meanwhile Israel partners with Saudi Arabia.
Ted Koppel:
“The Israeli government is so concerned that America’s adversaries may miscalculate U.S. intentions that it is privately urging Washington to make it clear that the U.S. would intervene in Saudi Arabia should the survival of that government be threatened.”
The Saudis back Al Qaeda. Sunni Salafists are the most extreme fundamentalists around. Just like the 40’s when the Jewish fascists tried to find common cause with the Nazis to move Jews to Palestine, on the logic that you can trust your worst enemies.
IT’S STUPID.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/mossad-making-bundle-doing-business-saudi-arabia
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:13 pmThe emails, dated 2 May 2007, show discussions between Fred Burton, Stratfor’s vice-president of counter-terrorism, and analysts in regards to the alleged secret Saudi-Israeli intelligence alliance. The email exchange also shows that Stratfor execs considered pursuing their own business relationship with the Saudi monarchy or, as Burton called them, “sleezy arsehole ragheads.”
sleeeepy is spamming the same crap he copied earlier.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:17 pmThe same anti-semitic crap, I should say.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:17 pmAll that that proves is that Stratfor is a dishonest (or deluded) organzation
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:19 pmAnd Ted Koppel?
The Saudis and the Gulf Monarchies are afraid of Iran. They’re afraid of Shia demanding their own rights in their countries. Bahrain? Koppel is stupid enough to refer to the Shia “minority”. They’re the majority.
Yeah I know it’s Greenwald
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/sep/04/cnn-international-documentary-bahrain-arab-spring-repression
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/feb/16/john-timoney-police-chief-bahrain-protests
Over Saudi I choose Iran. Over Al Qaeda I choose Hezbollah.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:37 pmThe US helped create what became Al Qaeda. The US backs the Saudis. It’s all stupid.
Ted Koppel spoke to anumber of people in 2011, who probably do not reflect the thinking of Prime Ministere Benjamin Netanyahu. He had to quash the idea later that Israel was afraid of the fall of Bashir Assad.
Th Saudis may be buying some Israelis who worked in government. I kind of suspect that may be going on.
Sammy Finkelman (d22d64) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:43 pmsleeeepy #64 – the Mandate was never intended to become a country called “Palestine” … it was supposed to be divided (partitioned) into an Arab state and a Jewish state …
The TransJordan part was the Arab state – now called Jordan … the remaining part was supposed to be the Jewish State – until the new Labour Government reneged on the Balfour Declaration …
Up until and including the present day, there has never been a sovereign political entity recognised by its neighbours as “Palestine” …
Please try to keep up !
Alasdair (64f66f) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:57 pmSilly sleeeepy ! #82 … the Grauniad is a most unreliable source, whether for news, facts, or even the correct spelling of its own name … (hence “the Grauniad”)
Alasdair (64f66f) — 9/6/2012 @ 4:59 pmAlasdair you can’t really give away someone else’s land, and call it just.
The Economist’s MIddle East Correspondent Max Rodenbeck is more articulate than I am.
“If it were only the present that Lewis perceived through a gently distorted mirror, this might not detract from his distinction as a historian. But he gets the past subtly wrong, too, often by omitting vital context. He says that when the Arabs rejected the partition of Palestine in 1947, it was simply because they refused to accept having a Jewish state next door. Yet Arabs were not alone in questioning the United Nations plan to allocate 56 percent of Palestine’s territory to a minority consisting mostly of recent immigrants, which made up barely a third of the population and owned just 7 percent of the land. Greece, India and Cuba, among others, also voted no, while China, Ethiopia, Colombia, Chile and Mexico abstained. The overriding motive of all these doubters was presumably not bigotry, as Lewis implies, but concern about Palestinians’ rights.”
Irene Gendzier
“Shortly thereafter, Robert McClintock, then with the US delegation at the UN, speculated that the Security Council would soon be confronted by the question as to “whether Jewish armed attack on Arab communities in Palestine is legitimate or whether it constitutes such a threat to international peace and security as to call for coercive measures by the Security Council.” [3] It was again McClintock who observed that if Arab armies entered Palestine leading Jewish forces to claim “that their state is the object of armed aggression and will use every means to obscure the fact that it is their own armed aggression against the Arabs inside Palestine which is the cause of Arab counter-attack,” the US would be obliged to intervene.[4]”
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:30 pmSleeeeeeeeeeeerpy hate him some joooooooooooos. And is basically a hate filled angry socialist.
JD (6e921a) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:30 pmsleeeepy, kooky nonsense. The US did not create Al Queda, and your “preferences” are amusingly based on kooky progressive nonsense.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:32 pmsleeeeepy,
That’s kooky stuff.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:44 pmWe created Al Qaeda
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:48 pmsleeeepy, its factually false that the US created Al Queda. Al Queda (The Base) was created by Osama Bin Laden after US involvement in funding the Afghanistan resistance ended. This is all well documented in numerous actual histories of the issue. You and Hillary are equally ignorant of actual history.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 5:51 pmYou and Hillary are equally ignorant.
of actual history.Comment by SPQR — 9/6/2012 @ 5:51 pm
FIFY
peedoffamerican (ee1de0) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:04 pm86. The Israelis rendered the mandate and the UN action moot. They declared themselves a state and all the Arab countries immediately declared war.
The bulk of the “Palestinians” fled across the Jordan and those that remained fought in burkahs from behind children.
They got their azzes handed to them. Arabs want nothing to do with the inbred Palis except induce them to splode.
In what war has the victor been saddled with the refugees? Brain dead Amerikkka? Name another.
Total BS. When Mark Twain toured Palestine circa 1844, the land was empty, but for the Jews in Jerusalem. Zionists began returning by 1890 and when the desert sprang to life Palestinians entered for the first time in centuries to work in the orchards.
I began a subscription to the Economist in the early 80’s but gave it up by the turn of the millenium because it no longer was competent on economics, let alone history.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:45 pmNo, we did not create Al Qaeda or the Taliban.
We did not use the Mujahadeen to fight our enemy, the USSR — the Mujahadeen used us to supply them with weapons to fight their enemy, the USSR.
Just because we can send people to the moon does not mean that we are more clever than barefooted mountain people who have survived, free, for thousands of years.
Afghanis are hard to tame.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:50 pmThem Democrats sure don’t like them no joos.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/6/2012 @ 6:52 pm94. Somewhere a youngish officer Winston Churchill talks about his experience in Afghanistan where the tribals “take potshots from 1000 yards at their neighbors”.
Alexander the Great had an outpost there, near present day Tajikistan, but it only out-lived him 40 years.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:06 pmThere is a folk legend that when God threw Satan out of heaven, he landed near Kabul; the main argument by the local people is which side did he land on, hence which tribe is more deceitful.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:13 pm96. Bactra was the place but there are other sites, look up Qalat for a castle still used by the military.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/6/2012 @ 7:16 pmThere’s a Greek legend about that, too, MD, but only Greeks would understand it.
In American, it would be like this: The Devil had two sons. The first landed in the Carolinas. The second landed in the Ozarks. The Devil, himself, landed in Appalachia.
nk (875f57) — 9/6/2012 @ 8:35 pm“When Mark Twain toured Palestine circa 1844, the land was empty, but for the Jews in Jerusalem.”
Not even Israeli historians believe that crap anymore.
The man who came up with the phrase ” a land without people” etc. was opposed to building the state in Palestine. Too many people.
I’ve already given you the American government description.
NY TImes 1947
“Whatever the degree of their superiority complex, however, the Jews are certainly confident of their ability to bring the Arabs to terms – by persuasion if possible, by might if necessary. The program of the largest terrorist group, the Irgun Zvai Leumi, is to evacuate the British forces from Palestine and declare a Zionist state west of the Jordan, and “we will take care of the Arabs.”
http://blog.thejerusalemfund.org/2011/05/picking-apart-nytzionist-narrative-on.html
Mark Twain
“The narrow canyon in which Nablous, or Shechem, is situated, is under high cultivation, and the soil is exceedingly black and
fertile. It is well watered, and its affluent vegetation gains effect by
contrast with the barren hills that tower on either side.” (The
Innocents Abroad, p. 322)
“We came finally to the noble grove of orange trees in
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 9:35 pmwhich the Oriental city of Jaffa lies buried.” (The
Innocents Abroad, p. 360)
Sleeeepy,
Did a Joooo take your lunch money from you in elementary school, or something ? You sound like you’re carrying a personal vendetta. I’ve never seen anyone with so many bookmarked quotes in all my life.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:20 pmSchmuck, I’m a “Joooo” and I’m tired of white people.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/6/2012 @ 10:30 pmThat ^^^ should be carved into your headstone.
Icy (ca4101) — 9/6/2012 @ 11:53 pm“We created Al Qaeda”
What do you mean “we”?
Jimmy Carter and the liberal Democrats started shipping weapons to the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan so they could fight the commies.
And, they didn’t consult me before they started doing it, so spare me that “we” crap.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:00 amI love it when liberals/Democrats object to some American policy that THEY initiated, it’s always framed in terms of “we” did that, it’s never “liberals/Democrats” did that.
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/7/2012 @ 12:12 amHere’s the fix for the middle east problem.
Klavan’s One-State Solution: Give the Middle East to the Jews
Or for mobile users.
Klavan’s One-State Solution: Give the Middle East to the Jews
Tanny O'Haley (12193c) — 9/7/2012 @ 2:03 amyou’re no J0000, sleeeeeeeepy, you’re chopped livah.
Colonel Haiku (20b04d) — 9/7/2012 @ 4:27 amThere’s a Greek legend about that, too, MD, but only Greeks would understand it.
Comment by nk — 9/6/2012 @ 8:35 pm
That’s interesting. I wonder how many places around the world say “The Devil landed here”? or, maybe, “The Devil landed over there”.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/7/2012 @ 5:01 amFor the Greeks, at least, it’s insular communities with a reputation for independence, toughness and low cunning. Hillbillies to their neighbors.
Eastern Crete, southern Mount Taygetus, the island of Cephalonia.
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:16 am102. Sephardi or Berber?
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:17 am109. In the Heartland its east of the Tri-State.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:20 amThe Holocaust was a crime committed by Europeans against it’s own people. Amazing how quickly you forget.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:25 amsmall typo there.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:25 am112. FDR held their cloaks.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:26 amSleepy is both right and wrong about non-Jews in Israel. There are substantial Christian, Druze and Muslim populations with Israeli citizenship. I have read that the Greek Orthodox Church is the single largest land owner in Israel. Israel does have western values of democracy and freedom. But those values create great tension with the principle of Israel remaining a Jewish state.
(Israel did screw up a lot by not throwing a bone (land) to Sadat in 1972, avoiding both the Yom Kippur War and much of the trouble that followed. But that’s ok, I’ll not argue it anymore.)
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:32 am73, apology accepted.
I know, the liberals spread a lot of manure around here.
PCD (1d8b6d) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:38 amAre you referring to his ignoring the camps?
Half the time you’re appealing to the white man, and the rest of the time you’re spitting on them. But you want to be one.
And now we have Eli Yishai, Interior Minister:
“Muslims that arrive here do not even believe that this country belongs to us, to the white man.”
Still lying to yourselves.
That’s what’s so pathetic. Fascist leaders are always self-hating wimps. Hitler was a 98 pound weakling he liked to play dress up. Kahane started off used to hide his Jewishness, Farrakhan never got over his bitterness. The hair straightener got to his brain.
And you dismissing the destruction by a Jewish religious fanatic of a 300 year old cross carried by an archbishop as the breaking of “a piece of furniture” Revenge for watching your father cower before his Russian master? So now you turn into the sort of person you hated as a five year old.
Hamas isn’t genocidal. Your dance with the Saudis on the other hand, and the Neo Nazis that’s a mistake.
Anders Breivik was a Zionist, for the same reason most of these people are. They want Jews to leave. And you want to give them what they want.
Democracy is political equality of citizens. Israel is modeled on German racial fantasy played out on land stolen from the descendants of Jews who never left their homeland.
You ever wonder why all those anti-semitic caricatures of Jewish faces, from Shylock to Fagin, all look like Arafat?
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:44 amSleepy, we know that Arabs are Semites, too.
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 7:54 amNK,
Friend, the fact-checkers don’t have time for your history of the Israel-Arab Conflict right now…they’re busy checking last nite’s speeches.
On the other hand, the men in the white suits have been telephoned, and they’re coming to return Sleeeepy to his quarters at the state hospital.
Elephant Stone (65d289) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:01 amHamas isn’t genocidal.
— You heard it here first, folks.
Icy (ca4101) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:10 amBut Planned Parenthood is. Sleepy, if you care all that much about “mud people”, please tell us on what principles Margaret Sanger founded Planned Parenthood.
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:44 amUnder DNC rules, it doesn’t matter who votes. It matters who counts the votes.
Karl_L (ff486c) — 9/7/2012 @ 3:21 pmsleeeepy’s comments get more bizarre.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:10 pmIs sleepy imdw?
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:27 pmWhy is it that our trolls almost inevitably feel compelled to ket their jooooooooooo hate out?
JD (6a4dbf) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:28 pmJD, because its the main obsession of the looney Democrat Left these days. When they aren’t whining about the “banksters” that Obama/Bernanke/Geithner has been propping up with Federal funds.
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:29 pmNk – no. Different style, different voice, but matching jooooooooo hate.
JD (6a4dbf) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:44 pm118. Semite/Hamite mix.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamitic
for the jollies.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:50 pmJews consider themselves so if their mother is observant.
Blood relation is a Western overlay.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:53 pmif it says sleeeepy sleeeepy sleeeepy on teh lable lable lable it wears teh panties panties panties of dear Aunt Mabel Mabel Mabel.
Colonel Haiku (0927a3) — 9/7/2012 @ 6:54 pmIt rubs the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:06 pmI showed my daughter the final scene, daleyrocks. When Jodie Foster, in total darkness, hears a click behind her head, spins and puts five bullets into the creep’s head, saving the sixth.
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:10 pmMaybe the Democrats are right, in any case. There is no God worth praying to.
I was at the ophthalmogist two days past. In the same waiting room with two-week old babies with retinopathy of prematurity.
I’m a 56-year old man who has had a very full life. But the babies?
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:17 pm“Jews consider themselves so if their mother is observant.
Blood relation is a Western overlay”
Bullshit.
You’re a Jew if your mother is Jewish by blood, or a convert to the faith, because you never know who the real father is.
The Jews are a people.
And Israel was founded as a secular state.
Morons
Abraham’s Children in the Genome Era: Major Jewish Diaspora Populations Comprise Distinct Genetic Clusters with Shared Middle Eastern Ancestry
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:30 pmhttp://www.cell.com/AJHG/abstract/S0002-9297%2810%2900246-6#
nk – It was a creepy final scene.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:34 pmWasn’t it, though.
nk (875f57) — 9/7/2012 @ 8:44 pm“Jews consider themselves so if their mother is observant.
Blood relation is a Western overlay.”
The Jews begin as a people. It doesn’t matter if the mother is observant. if she was born a Jew.
Gary, I thought you were one of us.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:31 pmimdw NEVER claimed to be a Jew.
But every once in awhile, if you goaded him juuuuust right, his anti-Semitism would flamer on.
Icy (1fbaec) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:42 pmSo, The Sleep Deprived One is a Jew and an Anti-Semite?
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434) — 9/7/2012 @ 10:56 pmThe World is upside down.
136. The Palis are descendants of Lot & his daughters the Ammonites and Moabites.
Who knows where the 9 lost tribes have gone to, the Samaritans number but a few thousand now.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 4:58 amI remember a few years ago reading about a tribe/group of people in the southern 1/2 of Africa, very dark skinned, whose own folk history said they were descendents of Jews from Israel. Analysis of their Y chromosomes strongly suggested it was true.
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/8/2012 @ 6:13 am136. The point is without an observant Jewish mother the child departs from the community.
Her sons take Gentile or non-observant Jewesses for wives and the spiritual connection to Covenant is lost.
Materialists never get it back, ask Marx.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 6:42 am“The point is without an observant Jewish mother the child departs from the community.”
Our own Haredi. Do you spit on Jewish girls who don’t dress “modestly”?
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 7:45 amJackie Mason said, “A Jewish boy makes a little money, the first thing he wants to do is marry a long-legged shiksa.”
ropelight (e18203) — 9/8/2012 @ 8:08 amSEE! sleeeeepy isn’t a “self-hating Jew”.
He only hates other members of the Jewish community.
And the Zionist state.
And its defenders.
When you get down to it, he’s really quite a loving and caring guy.
Icy (747b74) — 9/8/2012 @ 8:11 amIcy, the link I posted is to a website of Israeli citizens disgusted by the bigotry of those like Gary.
As an analogy, think of calling someone “a self-hating white man” because he opposes the Klan.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 9:43 am142. All religions, even godless secular Humanism, have their Pharisees, some exclusively so.
These amount to ‘Righteousness Religions’ wherein the prime activity seems to be establishing who is evil and to be destroyed and who is good and worthy of lording over the other.
Doubtless you would place me in the latter category.
That may be, but my point is the nominal Christian, your Armenian archbishop, the salafist, the Code Pink zealot, etc., determine membership via labels, associations, shibboleths whereas a true Jew, or Christian has to be established by their belief system, their behavior in response to circumstances.
Your ‘yeshiva student’, ‘old man in yamaka’, your abusive Haredi, are giving evidence they belong to the former, not the latter, whatever you think of me.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 10:00 amI found this to be an interesting article, noted at PowerLine. I think Horowitz has to be one of the unsung prophets of the importance of conservatism and dangers of liberalism. But some things never change, like people preferring to listen to “those who claim peace, peace” when there is no peace rather than listen to harder words which are nonetheless true words.
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/david-horowitz/reflections-of-a-diaspora-jew-on-zionism-america-and-the-fate-of-the-jews/
MD in Philly (3d3f72) — 9/8/2012 @ 10:25 amYou compare women chanting “Kumbaya” with a Salafists out to kill Jews, Christians, Shia and other Muslim apostates, Buddhists and secularists. That’d doesn’t quote work.
You’re right, I am an atheist, as are many but not all members of code pink. But atheist isn’t the issue, secularism is. Secular justice says that “my” Armenian Archbishop has the right to be free of harrassment from religious fundamentalists of any stripe.
So my Archbishop is also Code Pink’s Archbishop. Of course all the major religious leaders in Jerusalem oppose gay rights, so that’s a problem. In the UK they want to ban the wearing of crosses in the workplace. I think that’s a problem too.
Haredi Ultras want to turn Israel into a Jewish Saudi Arabia, with morality police watching over everyone. The Settlers are Jewish Salafists.
Iran? Saudi? No. Israel:
—
New glasses blur women for haredi Orthodox men
JERUSALEM (JTA) — Haredi Orthodox men in Israel are buying glasses that will prevent them from seeing the immodest women that threaten their way of life.
The glasses, which are being sold for $32.50, have a special blur-inducing sticker on their lenses that provides clear vision for up to a few yards so as not to impede movement, but anything beyond that becomes blurry — including women.
While it is not known how many have been purchased, the devices have gone on sale recently in haredi Orthodox neighborhoods of Jerusalem and elsewhere, reported the Times of Israel.
The haredi Orthodox community’s unofficial “modesty patrol” has developed a range of products to act as a first line of defense against the threat of seeing immodest women, Israeli media reported.
In an effort to maintain their strictly devout lifestyle, the haredi Orthodox in some neighborhoods have separated the sexes on buses, sidewalks and other public spaces.
—
If the glasses were being sold in any muslim country they’d be pushing this story on Fox.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 10:35 am” the importance of conservatism and dangers of liberalism.”
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3552461,00.html
Modesty patrol’ suspected of spilling acid on teenage girl
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 10:39 amReligious tensions at boiling point in Beitar Illite as 14-year-old girl attacked by member of town’s ‘modesty guard’
sleeeeeeeepy…
if yer Godless and ya know it clap yer hands, clap clap
Colonel Haiku (55b893) — 9/8/2012 @ 10:44 amif yer Godless and ya know it clap yer hands, clap clap
if ya hate yerself some Jesus
say ‘Gaia bless you’ when ya sneezes
if yer Godless and ya know it clap yer hands, clap clap
_____________________________________________
Modesty patrol’ suspected of spilling acid on teenage girl
As a person of the right, I have absolutely no trouble in denouncing that type of extremism, of being very wary of what inspires it and questioning the sanity of anyone who isn’t also appalled by it.
By contrast, why are so many on the left very permissive of the “goddamn America!” extremism of demagogues like Jeremiah Wright, the feel-good nihilism that nurtures so many vicious crimes throughout this society, the mentality of “oh, he’s a violent felon but its society’s fault for not providing better daycare and welfare!!”?
Mark (e03145) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:00 amSaying “Goddamn America!” = Throwing acid on a girl?
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:01 amDon’t be modest. Almost everyone is more articulate than you are. Hell, I’ve come across parakeets more articulate than you are.
The parakeets also were more original thinkers, considering the tired, debunked crap you constantly regurgitate.
Steve57 (5d09f6) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:10 am“As an analogy, think of calling someone “a self-hating white man” because he opposes the Klan.”
sleeeepy – Thought about, sorry it doesn’t work you buffoon. Apples and oranges.
Then again, you already said you were tired of white people.
You have major hate issues sleeeepy.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:20 am“You have major and sundry hate issues sleeeepy.”
Comment by daleyrocks
ftfy, daley…
Colonel Haiku (55b893) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:28 am148. “You compare women chanting “Kumbaya” with a Salafists out to kill Jews, Christians, Shia and other Muslim apostates, Buddhists and secularists.”
No, no I did not, did I? I compared methodologies of assessing a stranger’s membership in a named group.
Conservatives are united in one overarching experientially derived assumption regarding all human group behavior:
People are at bottom self-interested, their motivation is their own benefit, economics rules human behavior.
nk intimated such a motivation for the strife between settlers and the Greek Orthodox Church: The latter being the single largest private landowner in Israel.
Proceed with that organizing motivation and your detailed interactions, however deplorable, will become dramatically less mystifying.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:32 am148. “You compare women chanting “Kumbaya” with a Salafists out to kill Jews, Christians, Shia and other Muslim apostates, Buddhists and secularists.”
No, no I did not, did I? I compared methodologies of assessing a stranger’s membership in a named group.
Conservatives are united in one overarching experientially derived assumption regarding all human group behavior:
People are at bottom self-interested, their motivation is their own benefit, economics rules human behavior.
nk intimated such a motivation for the strife between settlers and the Greek Orthodox Church: The latter being the single largest private landowner in Israel.
Proceed with that organizing motivation and your detailed interactions, however deplorable, will become dramatically less mystifying.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:32 am____________________________________________
Saying “Goddamn America!” = Throwing acid on a girl?
I’m sure the Modesty Patrol in Israel is influenced by an inflammatory belief system, similar to what Obama’s former close spiritual adviser espouses.
BTW, if the person throwing acid was a Palestinian — a sad, pitiful, dejected underdog of Third-Worldish origins — who also shouted “death to America!” and “allahu akbar,” would you be as bothered, less bothered or more bothered?
Many on the left, certainly if they’re in private, will mutter, “that girl must have done something to deserve that! Or even if she didn’t, American imperialism and Jewish greed makes people vicious and heartless!!!!”
Mark (e03145) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:47 am“If the glasses were being sold in any muslim country they’d be pushing this story on Fox.”
Perhaps, but they definitely pushed this story…
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/08/07/glasses-look-to-keep-israeli-women-out-sight-ultra-orthodox-jewish-men/
So, what’s your point?
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/8/2012 @ 11:59 amShorter sleeeeeeeeeeeerpy – SQUIRREL. !!!!!
JD (6a4dbf) — 9/8/2012 @ 12:09 pm156 & 157, gary, not all Conservatives assume self-interest rules human behavior. Sure, it’s a factor, sometimes a deciding one, but it’s almost never the only one.
People often act contrary to their own self-interests. And, in my experience it’s usually Democrats who expect people to respond to economic enticements and are puzzled when they don’t. Just sayin’
ropelight (e18203) — 9/8/2012 @ 1:52 pm“I’m sure the Modesty Patrol in Israel is influenced by an inflammatory belief system, similar to what Obama’s former close spiritual adviser espouses.”
Again, no. Obama’s former paster does not espouse throwing acid on women. Hekmatyar did it in Afghanistan and we gave millions to his group (once).
“Perhaps, but they definitely pushed this story…”
They didn’t push it. But they did run it. I was wrong.
But there’s no equivalent to Pan Geller to scream about the absurdity. of religious nutjobs and bizarre customs. Pat Robertson saying Haitians are paying the price for their pact with the Devil
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-01-13/us/haiti.pat.robertson_1_pat-robertson-disasters-and-terrorist-attacks-devil?_s=PM:US
or this.
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http://www.cityandstateny.com/bloomberg-circumcision-laws-we-obligation-people-alive/
Mayor Michael Bloomberg responded this morning to city rabbis’ threats of legal action if the city goes through with a proposal to restrict a controversial Orthodox Jewish circumcision practice.
“We have an obligation to keep people alive and safe and the courts have held that up repeatedly,” Bloomberg said today at a press conference outside the City Clerk’s office.
His comments came in response to Orthodox rabbis, who defended the practice of “metzitzah b’peh” yesterday at a New York City Health Department public hearing.
In “metzitzah b’peh,” a mohel uses his mouth to suck blood from the circumcision wound, a ritual that has led to the transmission of herpes to some infants, in a few cases leading to their deaths.
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Fox does not cover Jewish extremism as it covers Muslim extremism, or the “Judeofascism” of the settlers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LDQ5XVaX1I
I’m still amazed that liberals and conservatives both can defend the right of someone from Ohio to kick someone in Hebron out of the home his great grandfather built. Just bizarre.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/8/2012 @ 1:55 pmSQUIRRELS!!!!!!!!!!!
JD (6a4dbf) — 9/8/2012 @ 2:08 pm161. ‘overarching’ renders point considered.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 2:14 pmIt is always amusing when the anti-semites respond to having their anti-semitism pointed out by completely refuting the accusation … except that never happens.
Instead, they just double down!
SPQR (26be8b) — 9/8/2012 @ 2:25 pm“I’m still amazed that liberals and conservatives both can defend the right of someone from Ohio to kick someone in Hebron out of the home his great grandfather built.”
sleeeepy – Are you amazed that people in Washington, D.C. can tell people in Rhode Island that the state can take away their house and give the property to somebody else?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/8/2012 @ 2:42 pmsleeepy gets excited when he sees squirrels, because then he knows he’s among friends.
AD-Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (2bb434) — 9/8/2012 @ 3:19 pm“…I was wrong.”
Yup.
“Fox does not cover Jewish extremism as it covers Muslim extremism, or the “Judeofascism” of the settlers.”
That’s just because there’s a lot more Muslim extremism to cover (and also because Muslim extremists have repeatedly attacked the United States and murdered thousands and thousands of Americans). But, they run stories unfavorable to Jewish settlers, just like every other news reporting group does…
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/07/11/rights-groups-spike-in-israeli-settler-violence/
And, you’re wrong…again.
And again I ask…so, what’s your point?
Dave Surls (46b08c) — 9/8/2012 @ 3:24 pm165. Indeed. We’re all human, except of course, those that have the Troof in their back pocket.
The Roman Catholics only have one Pope and he’s fallible outside Church doctrine.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 5:31 pmIn looking around for confirmation on the YNet modesty police story, I found only a 42 year-old counselor from the settlement got blowed up recently on his way to work in Jerusalem.
Note that the story does have a couple reasons for suspecting ‘modesty police’ as the perpetrator. The girl was asked for her surname and then doused. Her family reported her 18 year-old sister had been having problems with these people.
We don’t have a suspect, just a family friend’s report fingering religionists.
Is the older girl a whore, a drug dealers bag girl, a leftist, a student, a nurse, what?
Inotherwords, we don’t know much of anything except religion is the greatest evil on this miserable third rock from the Sun.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/8/2012 @ 7:17 pm______________________________________________
Obama’s former paster does not espouse throwing acid on women. Hekmatyar did it in Afghanistan and we gave millions to his group (once).
And did the rhetoric and philosophy that influenced the Modesty Patrol in Israel — either directly or indirectly — explicitly mention something about throwing a harmful substance on sinners?
I know the following person didn’t explicitly mention that the World Trade Center in New York should be attacked. But let’s say he also didn’t seem exactly too bothered by what happened.
And in the immortal words of Obama’s wife (admittedly based on a lip-reading interpretation — and ensuing flash of disdain that came over her face — of a comment of hers during a ceremony in commemoration of victims of 9-11): “All this for a damn flag.”
Mark (e03145) — 9/8/2012 @ 7:43 pm“Is the older girl a whore, a drug dealers bag girl, a leftist, a student, a nurse, what?
In other words, we don’t know much of anything except religion is the greatest evil on this miserable third rock from the Sun.”
You know and I know the Israeli press is full of stories and discussions of the “modesty” patrols.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4196645,00.html
A 70-year-old ultra-Orthodox woman found herself the target of a brutal religious hate crime on Monday night, when four thugs broke into her home and beat her up before leaving her handcuffed and bleeding.
“They were sent by the Modesty Patrol,” the woman, S., told Yedioth Ahronoth. “They told me, ‘You are destroying the neighborhood with you missionary teachings.”
The thugs hit her repeatedly with a metal rod, breaking her right hand, crushing her left leg and injuring her face. They used their cell phones to document the attack, evidently to report back to those who sent them.
Jerusalem police investigators confirmed that the attack was religiously-motivated.
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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4083216,00.html
What should a girl do if she wishes to dress modestly but her parents won’t let her? According to Rabbi Yitzchok Zilberstein she can injure herself in order to use it as an excuse for dressing modestly.
Three weeks ago, Rabbi Zilberstein, the the son-in-law of prominent Rabbi Yosef Elyashiv, received an inquiry from a women’s religious seminary (Midrasha) [sounds like Madrassa doesn’t it? Where’s Pam Geller?] about a student who is growing increasingly religious. The student said she wanted to dress modestly but her parents were preventing her from doing so, because they were not religious.
And taking your language as representative of the language of faith, then yes, religion is the greatest evil on the planet. You spew bigotry.
But remember I’m the one defending the Armenian Archbishop, and you’re spitting on him. It’s enough to me to be opposed to fundamentalism and authoritarianism. And I oppose the most extreme first, and those who justify their extremism with the language of liberalism.
Israel is not a liberal society. Half the population is under the legal an military authority of the other. After 40 years of occupation it is a single state.
The readers of this page are from families that immigrated to this country anywhere from one to three hundred years ago. If the Apache, the Kiowa and the Comanche, with the help of Mexico, Canada and the UN, rose up and reconquered Texas, white Texans would become “terrorists” overnight. The Jews were in Europe for 1500 years, but somehow hey have a right to “return” and expel people whose families never left.
Throw the Germans out of Bavaria. They can always go to Austria.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/9/2012 @ 8:39 amThe definition of “injustice” when there is no one at home to inforce randomness:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/09/an-israeli-electromagnetic-impulse-attack-could-throw-iran-back-to-the-stone-age/
The Zionist fluke of the universe continues its improbable run simulating Providence.
Racist bastards.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/9/2012 @ 9:34 am“The Zionist fluke of the universe continues its improbable run simulating Providence.”
gary – The Israelis also have those trained sharks they can use to blow up Iranian oil rigs.
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/9/2012 @ 10:18 amcoooooomatose, now I understand that DWS is not a unique phenomenon.
Yeah. Got it. Israeli society contains theocratic elements. Therefore it’s the equivalent of Egypt, or Iran, where the theocratic elements rule.
Or something.
Still haven’t worked out exactly how to see the world through your lying eyes. Keep up the propaganda, maybe I will.
Or, maybe I’ll just continue to be amused.
Steve57 (5d09f6) — 9/9/2012 @ 11:19 amI don’t have any idea where cooooomatose lives. But if he lives some place where most people use public transportation, I bet he raves on the subway or bus about the Israeli theocracy. Then he takes over a kid’s “connect the dot” drawing book, to show the kid that what was supposed to be a turtle is really Jewish fascism.
Then connects the dots that really don’t go together to prove himself right.
Like he does here.
Steve57 (5d09f6) — 9/9/2012 @ 11:25 am5.5 Million Jew in Israel.
5.5 Million Palestinians under Israeli military and civilian authority.
link
It’s not a liberal society.
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/9/2012 @ 11:43 amsleeeepy – As a misunderstood benevolent social organization, does Hamas let Jews join its ranks? If not, why not?
daleyrocks (bf33e9) — 9/9/2012 @ 12:13 pmsleeeepy says teh State of Israel must be destroyed.
Colonel Haiku (d96bbb) — 9/9/2012 @ 12:15 pmFormer Shin-Bet chief, Yaakov Peri speaking to Uri Avnery about Hamas: “We did not create it, but we did not hinder its creation.”
Mubarak Awad, a Christian pacifist was deported by Israel while it allowed the spiritual leader of Hamas to preach. Why?
Fatah is socialist and secular, and Hamas helped to undermine its authority.
All of this is common knowledge in Israel. You don’t have to go to conspiracy sites to read about it.
Hamas has moderated over the years to the point that it is now policing other organizations and arresting people who attempt to shoot missiles into Israel. All of this too is in the Israeli press.
And if you call me a liar I’ll just post links to Ynet and Haaretz etc. So don’t bother.
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The IRA has moderated too.
Peter KIng
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2010/01/10/the-terrorists-man-in-washington.html
In the 1980s, he was a prominent fundraiser for Noraid, the Irish-American organization that raised money for the IRA and was suspected of running guns to Ulster, too. Indeed, King’s rise to prominence within the Irish-American movement was predicated upon his support for the IRA at a time when New Yorkers were softer on terrorism than they are now. Noraid helped win King his seat in Congress, making him, in some respects, the terrorists’ Man in Washington.
On his travels to Northern Ireland, King would stay with members of the IRA and spend his evenings in IRA drinking clubs, soaking up the atmosphere and, I dare say, enjoying the craic.
In 1982 he told a pro-IRA rally in Nassau County, New York, that “We must pledge ourselves to support those brave men and women who this very moment are carrying forth the struggle against British imperialism in the streets of Belfast and Derry.” That same year, an IRA bomb killed eight people in London’s Hyde Park. Two years later, the IRA almost succeeded in murdering the British prime minister. Only good fortune saved Margaret Thatcher’s life. In 1987, an IRA bomb murdered 11 civilians in Enniskillen during the annual Remembrance Day service. These are merely some of the more infamous IRA atrocities. There isn’t space here to list them all.
King was such a well-known figure in Northern Ireland that one judge presiding over a murder case in which the accused were members of the IRA, threw King out of his Belfast courtroom because, as the judge put it, “he was an obvious collaborator with the IRA.”
sleeeepy (b5f718) — 9/9/2012 @ 3:31 pm—
Like a dog to its vomit, sleeeepy returns.
SPQR (4befcb) — 9/9/2012 @ 3:35 pmI love the persistence of Jewishness on his holandric genes.
Israel is taking missles daily from Gaza and the Sinai. Buses of women and children bombed weekly. They pay hundreds of millions for the blight of the West Bank yearly, just to keep the goats unmolested and the children fed.
And he gets ululates over suggestions of Zionist religious extremeism. Not proof, not explanatory power, not unilateral aggression, just the idea of self-righteous anger expressed haughtily.
What a sloppy rimshot.
gary gulrud (dd7d4e) — 9/9/2012 @ 5:41 pm