Anti-Semitism in the “Occupy” Movement
[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here. Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]
Gee, who would have thought that if you blame all your problems on a small number of rich urbanites, that this might turn to Anti-Semitism? Via JWF:
Last week, we reported on a lone protestor at the Wall Street sit-in who insisted that America’s economic woes could all be traced back to “the Jews.”
Since then that message has been picked up by others at “Occupy Wall St.” demontrations around the country.
In Los Angeles, California, protestor Patricia McAllister, who identified herself as an employee of the Los Angeles Unified School District (we can only hope she is not an educator), had this to say:
“I think that the Zionist Jews, who are running these big banks and our Federal Reserve, which is not run by the federal government… they need to be run out of this country.”
On the American Nazi Party website, leader Rocky Suhayda voiced support for “Occupy Wall St.” and asked, “Who hold the wealth and power in this country? The Judeo-Capitalists. Who is therefore the #1 enemy who makes this filth happen? The Judeo-Capitalists.”
Read the whole thing. It’s a bit much, as one person does later, to argue that this is similar to the beginnings of Nazi Germany. But on the other hand, it made more sense than it did when they said that about Tea Partiers. The concept of a basically libertarian “Nazi movement” is a contradiction in terms. But arguing that big government liberalism is the road to that kind of thing makes a lot more sense, although both represent an egregious violation of Godwin’s law.
On the other hand, the Israelis have a right to be a bit jumpy about this sort of thing.
Also, it’s a funny thing how often it seems that the Isreali press and the British press tell us truths that the American media does not. I suppose it is the ultimate proof that Jews don’t control the media, given that the media in that Jewish country is so different.
As if you needed that proof in the first place.
[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]
I wouldn’t want to tar all of OWS with the anti-Semitic brush, but the left did open the door to this sort of thing by pretending the LaRouche nuts represented the Tea Party.
There is a lot more evidence that the folks heavily invested in OWS are socialists and communists. And Doug Schoen’s poll of OWS protesters suggests almost a third may be violent, even though they are evenly split on whether the eeeeeevil banks should have been bailed out (and only 15% are unemployed). In contrast to the anti-market bent of OWS, 64% of Americans blame the federal government for the poor economy, while only 30% say big financial institutions. As Jonah Goldberg notes, OWS is “proof that the much ballyhooed wall between mainstream radicalism and mainstream liberalism is more like a speed bump.”
Karl (37b303) — 10/18/2011 @ 6:49 amthe jew-hating infrastructure is already largely in place among the Pelosi Reid Obama ones
their whole approach to government requires people to hate on
I find it distasteful.
happyfeet (3c92a1) — 10/18/2011 @ 7:27 amJonah Goldberg says he found this oddly compelling and compellingly odd at the same time. What say you?
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/280424/different-ows-video-jonah-goldberg
ColonelHaiku (75566b) — 10/18/2011 @ 7:53 amLet’s never let an opportunity to fear-monger pass.
Look folks. This isn’t about the people on the street — or I should say, streets, since the OWS movement is in most major cities by now. The point is… if 65% of all Americans support the movement, then you really can’t whitewash what the movement is about, try as you might.
Unless, of course, you are willing to suggest that 65% of all Americans is liberal (or “radical”). We all know that they are not, which is why it is correct to say that the OWS movement contains (along with some bad eggs) conservatives and libertarians.
Kman (5576bf) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:02 amWe’re here
We’re unclear
Get used to it
daleyrocks (e56eef) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:12 amDING!!!
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:50 amOff Topic
TOTUS STOLEN
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/18/truck-with-obamas-teleprompter-audio-equipment-stolen-in-virginia/?test=latestnews#content
peedoffamerican (6277b7) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:54 amI loved the headline … “Thieves steal truck with President’s equipment” … I wonder if Michelle knows
Anthony Weiner is on the problem
#OccupyAnthonyWeinersShorts (d1c681) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:55 amOne of the paradoxes of Godwin’s law is that Marxist socialism and national socialism are merely different sides of the same coin Furthermore, crony capitalism easily comes to resemble Fascism in any way that matters.
BarSinister (5a3146) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:56 amObama Speechless, Film At Eleven
peedoffamerican (6277b7) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:57 amAW> Also, it’s a funny thing how often it seems that the Israeli press and the British press tell us truths that the American media does not.
It’s actually here too a little bit.
The Weekly Standard found a Nazi, or rather imitation Nazi, (but then the Weekly Standard may not be considered mainstream yet)
http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/eyewitness-history_595200.html?nopager=1 (in print: October 17, 2011 issue, pages 23-29)
Eyewitness to History!
Hanging out with Spooky the anarchist, Amy the gender-bender, Sid the Nazi, and other occupiers of Wall Street.
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Actually, this is just one bit of the assorted craziness and unreality associated with all this.
The article says the organizers may actually have been right about one thing:
It goes on to say:
“….during my two days in the park, I have every variety of nutcake conspiracy theory pushed my way, up to and including Wall Street having created communism and the American Zionist Council assassinating JFK.”
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 10/18/2011 @ 9:17 amFrom teh Wikipedia article on Adbusters:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adbusters
“Its philosophy is that if a key insight of environmentalism was that external reality, nature, could be polluted by industrial toxins, the key insight of mental environmentalism is that internal reality, our minds, can be polluted by infotoxins. Mental environmentalism draws a connection between the pollution of our minds by commercial messaging and the social, environmental
, financial and ethical catastrophes that loom before humanity. Mental environmentalists argue that a whole range of phenomena from the BP oil spill to the emergence of crony-democracy to the mass extinction of animals to the significant increase in mental illnesses are directly caused by the three thousand advertisements that assault our minds each day.”
Of course the infotoxins they had in mind was not what you are seeing in the park, but if there is any place you want to see real infotoxins at work, Zucotti Place in New York City, is evidentaly the place to go see it.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 10/18/2011 @ 9:22 amAnd the “um, er, uh express” rolls on.
Icy (d986bf) — 10/18/2011 @ 9:26 amThe Wall Street Journal has an Op-ed article by Doug Schoen (who co-founded Penn & Schoen with Mark Penn around 1978)
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100014240529702044
79504576637082965745362.html
He did a poll of almost 200 protesters On Oct. 10 and 11, seprate from the New York Magazine poll http://nymag.com/news/intelligencer/topic/occupy-wall-street-2011-10 which was done earlier.
One researcher, Arielle Alter Confino, interviewed all of them.
Half (52%) had participated in a political movement before.
They are not unemployed, by and large:
The proportion of protesters unemployed (15%) is within single digits of the national unemployment rate (9.1%).
Virtually all (98%) say they would support civil disobedience to achieve their goals (or else they wouldn’t be there I suppose!)
Nearly one-third (31%) would support violence to advance their agenda.
An overwhelming majority of demonstrators say they supported Barack Obama in 2008. Now only 48% say they will vote to re-elect him in 2012, while at least a quarter won’t vote. Fewer than one in three (32%) call themselves Democrats, while roughly the same proportion (33%) say they aren’t represented by any political party. (Nationwide, 41% of Americans self-identify as conservative, 36% as moderate, and only 21% as liberal, while according to the New York magazine poll, only 6% said they were not liberal at all. About 15% were either standard or strongly liberal and 40% plus were more like Ralph Nader and a third off the scale, so almost all this crowd is on the liberal end of the scale or even further)
Of the 200 or so in this poll, 51% disapprove of the president while 44% approve.
By a close margin, protesters are divided on whether the bank bailouts were necessary (49%) or unnecessary (51%).
By a large margin (77%-22%), they support raising taxes on the wealthiest Americans, but 58% oppose raising taxes for everybody, with only 36% in favor.
On more general political issues, 65% say that government has a moral responsibility to guarantee all citizens access to affordable health care, a college education, and a secure retirement.
(Right now only high school education is guaranteed, and to a limited degree, a secure retirement. Emergenecy health care and Medicaid are available, but Medicaid requires people agree to stay poor. This is called pauperization. And theoretically at least if the recipient ever acquires any money, at least in certain kinds of ways, the money Medicaid spent is supposed to be paid back, and often liens are placed on estates.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 10/18/2011 @ 10:07 amThis is not just subrogation of lawsuit settlements or recovery for ineligible payments. Obamacare would increase Medicaid usage substantially. College education is made available, but sometimes only through loans)
The affable liberal Columbia professor Marc Lamont Hill & Bill O’Reilly had an interesting conversation about this yesterday, with Dr. Hill determined to sneak his thumb onto the Tea Party side of the scale, saying they had a more objectionable fringe element than the Flea Party. In one of his better moments of late, O’Reilly was having none of it. Apparently, Hill was unaware of the ANP’s tweeting of their full-throated support of the Jew-bashing Occupiers.
L.N. Smithee (abcb20) — 10/18/2011 @ 12:10 pmHere’s why this movement is much more potentially dangerous: They have NO realistic common goals. No ending of warfare overseas, no piece of legislation awaiting a vote, no civil rights concept that is before a panel of judges, or anything of that nature. It’s a crazy quilt of often conflicting and contradictory demands by people with only one thing in common — they are united in holding the threat of violent outburst over the civil society like The Sword of Damocles.
When he first got wind of the Occupy Wall Street movement, KFI-AM (Los Angeles) talkhost John Kobylt said that unless this movement results in a coup d’etat, it’s a waste of everyone’s time. The question is, how many of the participants realize this, and are committed to that end?
L.N. Smithee (dfcddb) — 10/18/2011 @ 12:34 pmThe media does the public a double disservice with their extreme bias regarding the protesting Right vs the Protesting Left. By teaching the Right that they MUST disassociate themselves from their fringe-thug elements the media makes it harder to tell whether there is any basis for accusing any particular Rightwing protest of Racism (etc), since they will have carefully tried to cut all ties with notorious groups like the KKK. By NOT teaching the Left to disassociate themselves from their fringe-thug element the media makes it hard to tell whether there is any basis for accusing any particular Leftwing protest of Marxist idiocy (etc), since they will not do anything to discourage their event getting hijacked by assorted loons and mental defectives.
C. S. P. Schofield (09eff5) — 10/18/2011 @ 1:19 pmhttp://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/10/18/why-you-shouldnt-compare-occupy-wall-street-to-the-tea-party/
ian cormac (0fc95f) — 10/18/2011 @ 1:44 pmI see Patterico is tweeting the Kimberlin connection today. Keep up good work Patterico.
SPQR (f654a0) — 10/18/2011 @ 2:32 pmI love the Perrytards projecting their lack of conservatism onto Cain Palin and or Michelle Malkin.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:21 pmI think we can safely say most Perry fans are indeed pretty conservative. Their opposition to a VAT does not make them very liberal, after all.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:27 pmSorry but the idiots attacking Cains 999 plans are the same ones who hate lower taxes.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:31 pmAnd i’m talking about idiot leftys.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:36 pmDoh
I could be wrong but apparently a very noteworthy conservative economist saidd that Cains plan is not 9/9/9 but 15.3/9/30 after 3 years
Thas not 9 9 9
The employer side of Fica never goes away so thats 9+6.3 or 15.3 the corporate income tax does go to 9 but the sales tax starts at 9 and then rises to 30
thats right 30 percent!
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:36 pmAt least your not a butthurt perrybot afraid of his ego getting hurt.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:38 pmI’m not an idiot, Dohbiden.
The fact is that it’s very strange for one’s focus to be to repetitively chant a new tax policy. There are many great ideas for tax policy. Personally, I think a VAT is wrong, but I like the Fair tax.
The real problem,though, is FOCUS. The problem is not taxation. Spending years pushing 999 would not be the right move. The real problem is SPENDING. The right move today is balance the budget, pass Ryan’s plan or something like it, and reform entitlements. That is much more important than tweaking the tax code.
America doesn’t have a tax problem. It has a spending problem. Cain should drop the 999 and start talking about how Social Security is a Ponzi scheme, the inflation policies of Bernanke and Greenspan were the wrong way, and how he’ll change our policies from theirs.
Why are we talking about this in a thread on the occupy movement and bigoted lefties?
Dustin (b2fb78) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:40 pmOK. Cool.
And granted, the left will fight very hard against 9-9-9. It would take enormous efforts to pass anything close to that, and enormous time not spent on the real reforms we need.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:42 pmNot you I’m talking abut the Perrybots your not one.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:42 pmAlso Perry is a moderate he disagrees with conservatives on somethings.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:45 pmI disagree with Cain’s 9-9-9 plan but the perrykrishnas would find something else to complain about it even if it was a tax reformation bill form the get-go.
So Cain is damned if he does,damned if he doesn’t.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:46 pmDoh
Here is the link, sorry
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-10-18/bad-math-hurts-herman-cain-s-good-tax-intentions-ramesh-ponnuru.html
EricPWJohnson (719277) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:47 pmThat’s a reasonable opinion. And thanks.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:49 pmAt least Ranesh has disagreements with Perry[I think] so even if I disagree with him I can respect him.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:50 pmIllegals don’t think Perry is weak on border patrol.
Yeah a guy who rags on SB1070 is not weak on border patrol.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:51 pmI actually said that with a straight face.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:52 pmRon is defending Kimberlin pretty hard core at this point, and also calling Aaron ‘mentally challenged’ in what I read as a scummy reference to Aaron overcoming a disability.
I have to pause and admit this guy is the greatest troll on the internet. Even though he’s spamming out nonsense at 100mph for months, he still manages to get under my skin every single time.
These OWS folks should do all they can to disavow Brett, Neal, Brad, and Ron.
This is the core difference between the right and the left. Anyone at a TEA party preaching violence and hatred is ostracized instantly.
I wish I could bat these guys down as well as Liberty Chick, but I always get too ticked off.
Dustin (b2fb78) — 10/18/2011 @ 3:59 pmExactly Dustin.
And yes the LRA are christian.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 4:00 pmDustin
I cant imagine those filthy stinky 20 year olds kicking out 40 year old filthy stinky murderers and their enablers
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 10/18/2011 @ 4:10 pmhttp://gawker.com/neal-rauhauser/
beyond wierd
EricPWJohnson (c5f1fc) — 10/18/2011 @ 4:16 pmThe LRA hacked to death former neighbors of mine(friends of the ‘rents) who’d given up farming to go to the mission field in Uganda.
These pipple employ child warriors and are called ‘christian’ mainly to distinguish them from muslims to the far Sudanese north.
gary gulrud (d88477) — 10/18/2011 @ 4:22 pmReally?
Oh they violate the 1o commandments although they wanna rule the ugandan people with it.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 4:24 pmYa know libtards who claim to be libertarian but aren’t really make my skin crawl.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 5:01 pmEric, saying that you “could be wrong” is like saying water might be wet.
Icy (4d4cfa) — 10/18/2011 @ 7:29 pmUnderestimation of the week.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/18/2011 @ 7:32 pmI think the Democrat Party should fully embrace the Occupy movement. They should make it the centerpiece of its strategy of winning.
Ag80 (bae7ed) — 10/18/2011 @ 8:28 pmOver 1 million OWS volunteers will take to the streets and communities to gently stop uncivilized behavior such as spitting and illegal parking in New York City, the NY Times reported on Friday.
The “civility monitor group,” unlike law enforcement officials, will try to stop uncivilized behavior through reasoning and gentle words.
The group will mainly have five tasks: asking residents to stop uncivilized behavior, patrolling communities for security, trying to resolve disputes between residents, helping residents in need, and promoting laws and rules.
Did I say New York ? … I meant Beijing
#OccupyAnthonyWeinersShorts (d1c681) — 10/18/2011 @ 9:37 pmObama’s brown shirts . . . have come home — to roost!
Icy (4d4cfa) — 10/18/2011 @ 11:15 pmMy summary of the protests:
The bourgeoisie are protesting the bourgeoisie.
OBD (8d652e) — 10/19/2011 @ 4:59 amIcy, Obama’s brownshirts wear purple.
SPQR (26be8b) — 10/20/2011 @ 9:33 amDustin,
Thanks for the heads-up about the Nazi-lover that is now thoroughly nuked.
Stashiu3 (601b7d) — 10/21/2011 @ 8:48 amThe OWS protesters have a right to protest but not to cause a scene with their anti-semetic bilge and riot.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/22/2011 @ 9:29 pmThe more scenes they cause, the more independents they send running over to our side.
Icy (4c94d3) — 10/22/2011 @ 9:35 pmI have no idea what our side means. I don’t know you from Adam.
Regardless, the left seems to be consumed with anti-Semitism, no let me rephrase that, Jew-hatred. I have no idea why they want to disenfranchise their most loyal supporters.
Ag80 (bae7ed) — 10/22/2011 @ 10:13 pmThe left have fear-mongered about global cooling,global warming, the swine flu,Jewish & Christian theocracies,Earthquakes in 2012 causing EMPS which will wipe out our electronics forever.
So piss the hell off Kmantard you hypocritical charlatan.
DohBiden (d54602) — 10/22/2011 @ 10:29 pmI was agreeing with you, Ag80
Icy (4c94d3) — 10/23/2011 @ 5:33 amI read this column on the editorial page of yesterday (Tuesday, October 25, 2011)New York Daily News.
There, the column was headlined:
Silly, yes, though hardly anti-Semitic
I consider Richard Cohen in general disingenuous. A lot of the time he wriites columns to come up with a predetermined conclusion that I assume somebody wants, except that he fakes reasons.
Over here he’s all over the place. He even says one day he thinks like this and one day he thinks like that.
And yet it is right. It’s not really a collection of anti-Semites. And the crowd has not been prepared for that. Maybe there is some kind of this kind of backing but it doesn’t show very much.
The impression I get about the crowd is that the organizers don’t really think it’s all that easy to get an impressive number opf people to camp out, so they are not limiting this to any particular ideas – they’ll take anyone. And they won’t specify anything.
…except maybe something that will later dovetail, or maybe already does dovetail, with the Obama re-election campaign: to wit: the Republicans favor 1% of the population – only 1%, not 20%, not 10%, not 5%, not even 2% but just 1%.
The 1% figure probably comes from some kind of tax statistics. That’s where we have heard it before.
Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb) — 10/26/2011 @ 4:44 pm