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10/10/2011

Why We Should be Glad When They Only Have Rocks

Filed under: General — Aaron Worthing @ 11:25 am



[Guest post by Aaron Worthing; if you have tips, please send them here.  Or by Twitter @AaronWorthing.]

There is a certain glamour attached to the underdog, where we think that if a person fights when it is futile it is a sign of virtue in the fighter.

It can be, of course.  For instance, in the annals of war, Col. Joshua Chamberlain is rightfully lionized for his leadership of the 20th Maine when defending Little Round Top in the Battle of Gettysburg.  Col. Chamberlain was a thinking man, an idealist who saw the Civil War as a holy war against slavery and he had enough vision that day to recognize that if the Confederates took his position they might win the battle—and by extension, win the war itself.  It is hard to say what precisely strikes the killing blow in a war of attrition, but it is more than reasonable to believe he won the war that day—or more precisely prevented the Union from losing.  And his virtue fed his bravery.  As his unit ran out of ammunition, he ordered a desperate bayonet charge and against all odds won the fight.

But what that kind of bravery, that willingness to fight even when it seems hopeless is most precisely understood to be the product of fervor.  And good ideas are not the only source of such fervor.  A person can be fervent in a vile and evil cause.

That was the logical mistake too many liberals make when they try to justify Palestinian terrorism.  They see fervor—you might even call it fanaticism—and they think this is a sign of virtue.  So over ten years ago, even as they were still pulling bodies from Ground Zero, I first heard a liberal tritely justify Palestinian suicide bombing as follows.  “It’s a poor man’s cruise missile.   All they have is rocks against tanks and airplanes, what do you expect them to do?”

Of course the first thing wrong with that is that even when it was tanks and airplanes v. tanks and airplanes, in Israel’s War for Independence and in the Six Day War, the Arabs still went out of their way to murder civilians.  I mean perhaps it is not wise to say this and give out tactical advice, but have you ever wondered why the Israelis could be outnumbered so massively and still win?  Maybe it was because while the Israelis were focused on attacking their enemies’ ability to make war, their enemies were concentrating on dropping bombs on their bus terminals and other essentially civilian targets.  It certainly doesn’t help.

But we also see, via the Blaze, this trio of horrifying stories of what the Palestinians do when all they have are stones.  First there is Asher and Yonathan Palmer (Yonathan is the baby):

They both died when Palestinians stoned their car, hitting the father in the face:

Israel Police Chief Yochanan Danino has confirmed that the victims of a tragic car crash Friday were murdered by terrorists, Channel 2television reported Sunday afternoon. Previously, police stated that the crash was caused by driver error and was definitely not the result of an attack.

The dramatic change in approach followed a meeting Saturday night on autopsy findings in the deaths of the two victims, 25-year-old Asher Palmer and his infant son Yehonatan.

Arutz Sheva has obtained a document detailing findings from the scene of the crash. Among the evidence that at first failed, for unknown reasons, to convince police that terrorists may have been involved: a hole in the front windshield of the car, a massive rock found in the front seat with human blood on it, a tear in fabric of the steeling wheel cover and dust indicating a blow from the rock, and damage to Asher Palmer’s face suggesting an impact unrelated to the crash.

The autopsy and a CTscan of Asher Palmer’s face showed evidence of facial fractures caused by a rock.

And then there is this 20 month old girl bit by rocks while being driven:

You can read about that incident, here.  And then there was the man who had to dodge rocks while trying to get his wife to the hospital while she was in labor:

Palestinian Authority terrorists continued their attacks on innocent Jewish motorists over Yom Kippur, this time attacking a woman in labor and her husband as they rushed to the hospital. The husband, Ariel Goldman of Pnei Kedem, told Arutz Sheva that the two were lucky to escape with their lives.

Their ordeal began near Har Homa at 2:30 a.m., as they drove to Hadassah Ein Karem hospital in Jerusalem. Suddenly, they encountered a point in the road that had been blocked by large stones.

As Goldman slowed the car, looking for a way around the trap, several Palestinian Authority terrorists jumped out and began to hurl rocks at the car.

The attack turned into a game of cat and mouse, as Goldman looked for ways around the rocks and tried to keep moving, while the terrorists followed the car and continued to pelt it with heavy stones, using a tactic that recently resulted in two deaths near Hevron.

Read the whole thing.  The truth of the matter is this.  For centuries Jews in the region were subject to continual pogroms, random murders for no other reason than because they were Jews.  The Palestinian Grand Mufti went as far as to ask Hitler to open a death camp in Jerusalem.  And around 1948 or so the Jews in the region decided the whole “weather the storm” approach just didn’t work and fought back until they had their independence.  The truth of the matter is that these terrorists in Palestine are not good people driven by injustice to desperate measures.  They have been slaughtering innocent Jews for centuries and the supposed injustices they have faced at Israel’s hands is just the latest excuse for Jew-killing.  But any excuse will do.  And their willingness to keep trying to kill Jews when all they have is rocks against guns, tanks and airplanes is not a sign of their virtue, but only their fanaticism.

All they have is rocks?  Although that is not always strictly true, let me say I consider it a relief when that is all they have.

[Posted and authored by Aaron Worthing.]

48 Responses to “Why We Should be Glad When They Only Have Rocks”

  1. its terrorism-slapping day here at Patterico’s. :-)

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  2. AW, I read your opening, and immediately thought of this from Sir Winston:

    If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves.”

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (bdde46)

  3. another

    sounds like he is talking about the madness of “peace in our time” prior to WWII. and it fits well with the situation Israel finds itself in today. today the Palestinians are weak, but that is precisely the best time to stop them. if we were wise enough to take down Hitler when he first violated the armistice, Hitler might have looked like an underdog, but there would be several million lives saved.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  4. A lethal weapon is a lethal weapon, period.

    Guns don’t kill people; uncaring people wielding lethal weapons of ANY type kill innocents.

    Take heed, freedom-stifling gun-control freaks.

    Icy Texan (ea6941)

  5. Throwing rocks at border guards is harmless fun. Throwing metaphorical rocks at blowhard fabulists is a death threat.

    JD (318f81)

  6. AW, here’s another bon mot from Sir Winston:

    The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

    See, who knew that he was a republican?

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (bdde46)

  7. Throwing rocks at border guards is harmless fun. Throwing metaphorical rocks at blowhard fabulists is a death threat.

    Comment by JD — 10/10/2011 @ 12:14 pm

    This reminded me of that argument as well.

    What a sick world.

    There’s this same attitude among the rock throwers that their opponents are not going to respond to a deadly attack with deadly force because they have a notion of honor (or softness, I guess they might thing).

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  8. and the UN wants to give these ghouls a state?

    Honestly the palestinian government could call for the Occupy wall street protesters to be skinned alive and the left would want to give them a state.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  9. Dustin,

    There is a difference between a softball sized rock hurled from an overpass and a 2 ounce pebble in a child’s hand…

    That was the argument, also the BP agent had a helemet, body armor and a glock and the person he shot in that “group” just happened to be the one who slipped out of his grasp

    Happenstance, maybe this is why he’s in court with the DA watching the outcome

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  10. There is a difference between a softball sized rock hurled from an overpass and a 2 ounce pebble in a child’s hand…

    I don’t see this as relevant to the attack on that border guard. In his shoes, I would feel in danger and defend myself.

    It’s easier to litigate this stuff when you’re not being attacked. I think a good rule of thumb is to never throw rocks at the heads of armed lawmen.

    I wonder how many people failed, along the lines, leading up to that shooting. There is a perception of weakness. People think they can get away with violence and laugh.

    I think we should militarize sections of the border that come under attack, and make examples out of anyone who challenges it. I don’t even care if they throw nothing. If they refuse to halt, open fire.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  11. Dustin,

    He yelled at the kid, dragged his friend who he had wrestled to the ground – TOWARDS the kid who got away and aimed and fired several times hitting the child numerous times

    This is what is coming out in civil court and I’m sure there will be plenty and forth

    One side or the other is lying, however there is a cop who was uninnjured and several of his fellow officers did not open fire in his defense

    Thats going to be interesting how a pedal bike cop got their first

    Its going to trial I think next month

    EricPWJohnson (e83e82)

  12. We are a nation of laws, EPWJ, and I think the thugs love that our lawmen will be dragged down, sometimes when it’s unfair and they where defending themselves.

    Sometimes, of course, the shooting was unjustified. But that guy was attacked.

    The insanity here is that those punks thought they could throw rocks at an armed American border patrol officer. That idea was cultivated over many mistakes on both sides, and this kind of resolution is basically inevitable now. I don’t like that. I wish it weren’t that way. But that’s what’s coming.

    My solution sounds harsh, but is calculated to scare people from trying to use violence.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  13. From 2005… Meirav was two.

    [Rebecca] is two years old. I see her frequently, usually every Thursday. Sarah and the twins and I run errands in the morning and have lunch in the afternoon. This picture was taken at one of our favorite spots in the West End of Richmond.

    Meirav was two. She and Rebecca have something in common. They’re both Jewish. Meirav lived in a town in the Gaza Strip with her three sisters. Rebecca lives here in central Virginia with her three brothers. Rebecca giggles a lot, and dances a lot. I’ll bet that Meirav giggled and danced, too.

    aunursa (33da2f)

  14. Dustin – epwj might be the worst historian to comment here. He just rewrites it as he goes along.

    JD (ae55d7)

  15. B-but the teabggers had guns and spat on peoples

    /Al sharpton and the occupy wall street losers.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  16. Liberals have some messed up, twisted view of the world when they look at THIS and call it justified. Or misunderstood. Or “out-of-context”.

    Book (1ecc3f)

  17. _________________________________________________

    That was the logical mistake too many liberals make when they try to justify Palestinian terrorism. They see fervor—you might even call it fanaticism—and they think this is a sign of virtue.

    As I’ve mentioned innumerable times, leftist sentiment seems to make a person rather dumb when it comes to identifying the good and bad in both people and situations. Worse of all, left-leaning emotions make many people want to embrace the underdog — whether real or not, whether deserving of that designation or not — and in that compulsion to have compassion for compassion’s sake (because compassion makes one feel noble, wonderful and sophisticated!), too many liberals transpose good and bad, of both people and situations.

    So Israel becomes the mean, bad heavy — so Westernized and therefore so greedy and hegemonic — while the Palestinians are the dear, sad, lovely souls lost in the desert.

    Mark (411533)

  18. I hear these Palestinian pigs are into Heavy Metal. Maybe Israel should turn turn them on to some…about a couple of tons worth at a time.

    teebo (563723)

  19. So over ten years ago, even as they were still pulling bodies from Ground Zero, I first heard a liberal tritely justify Palestinian suicide bombing as follows. “It’s a poor man’s cruise missile. All they have is rocks against tanks and airplanes, what do you expect them to do?”

    Did you ask him if Klebold and Harris were similarly justified?

    Or Timothy McVeigh?

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  20. Worse of all, left-leaning emotions make many people want to embrace the underdog — whether real or not, whether deserving of that designation or not — and in that compulsion to have compassion for compassion’s sake (because compassion makes one feel noble, wonderful and sophisticated!), too many liberals transpose good and bad, of both people and situations.

    Did Philip Garrido and Vinson Filyaw count as underdogs?

    Michael Ejercito (64388b)

  21. Ahhh, conservatives. Still equating “reasons” with “justifications.” Carry on.

    Fay (b3b69c)

  22. Ah, drive-by liberals being asshats. Carry on.

    JD (318f81)

  23. us·ti·fi·ca·tion
       [juhs-tuh-fi-key-shuhn] Show IPA
    noun
    1.
    a reason, fact, circumstance, or explanation that justifies or defends: His insulting you was ample justification for you to leave the party.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  24. Ah Fay being a nazi carry on.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  25. not only that the left have a problem with killing innocent muslim kids but yet they don’t mind bombing Qaddaffi.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  26. Dustin, I think Fay was thinking of the “reasons of the heart”, meaning motivations.

    And motivations are not justifications.

    (But just to be clear, I don’t think confusing them is confined to any one sector of the political world. So don’t consider this comment to be an actual defense of Fay.)

    jbs (a6ffde)

  27. The left love to stereotype jews unless they vote democrap.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  28. jbs, you’re probably right, but if that’s what Fay means, I would appreciate learning that in more detail.

    It’s a bit lame to complain we aren’t distinguishing between two words, when those words are literally synonymous for the most part.

    Like saying I am confusing currency with money.

    I don’t even know whose justifications are in question to Fay. Israel’s? I can think of nothing easier to see than Israel’s justification, which is survival.

    That’s the entire point of the Jews having a place from which they can’t be eliminated because they trust in a majority, as they did in Poland and Germany and France.

    Palestinian terrorists also do not hide their justification. It’s just that I disagree with it.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  29. All jews are greedy is a bigoted stereotype that the left loves to use against right wing jews.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  30. I do not agree with that by the way.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  31. Michael

    > Did you ask him if Klebold and Harris were similarly justified?

    > Or Timothy McVeigh?

    Well, I brought up McVeigh and the KKK. So pretty close. The idea that we should get lessons on human rights from terrorists is sheer idiocy.

    Fay

    > Ahhh, conservatives. Still equating “reasons” with “justifications.” Carry on.

    If you pretend the reason for this is the horrible injustices they have faced and the fact they are the poor, downtrodden underdogs, then yes, you are justifying.

    Maybe that is not your thought, but its one I hear all the time from liberals on the Palestinian question.

    Aaron Worthing (73a7ea)

  32. Right wing Jews? Where are they in America? Jews here in South Florida apparently love Obama. Schultz-Wassermann big apologist for Zero. Not surprisingly my Jewish neighbors think evil Joo George Soros is wonderful. Even a friend who left Hungary in ’56 to spend most of life in Caracas and left because of Chavez, admires Obama and Soros. Republicans are no good and stymie Obama being successful. Right.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (eeeae5)

  33. I’m a right wing non-religious jew.

    The world will not be overpopulated anytime soon since we have abortion.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  34. ______________________________________________

    Even a friend who left Hungary in ’56 to spend most of life in Caracas and left because of Chavez, admires Obama and Soros.

    That person is so deluded and foolish, there has to be something defective — and I say this non-sarcastically and sincerely — about the part of his brain that controls logic and common sense.

    Look up the definition of “limousine liberal” (and one does not have to be wealthy to be guilty of that peculiar form of two-faced, disingenuous leftism) and you’ll find a photo of the person you describe.

    I can understand younger people being of the left, but when someone well past his or her 30s or 40s still is as nonsensically liberal as your friend from Hungary apparently is, again, something has to be innately defective about that person’s mind.

    I’m reminded of observations made through the years by those interested in demographics about the way that certain people in a particular community (eg, city or state) will embrace liberal politicians and left-leaning policies. However, when their preferences — following years of voting like a “progressive” on election day — start bringing down the house of cards (eg, high taxes, overbearing governments, and growing socio-cultural anomie or dysfunction that even various liberals eventually become wary of), the people guilty of those preferences will pack up and move to another perhaps non-liberal, or less left-leaning community. And then those transplanted “progressives” will start up the whole vicious cycle all over again.

    Mark (411533)

  35. something has to be innately defective about that person’s mind.

    It’s convenient to think this way, and often I do. I’m conservative, and I can easily see how irrational some liberal views are. Some are just things I don’t agree with, but others are straight-up irrational. Like defending Social Security from the reforms needed to keep it sustainable. Because ‘rich people are the 1%’.

    But it seems to be that this is not proof of their brain being defective and mine being in good condition.

    Calypso’s evidence speaks to that. Some folks who are very smart, become liberal because of intense conditioning. Some Jewish families simply are democrat by tradition. And not just Jewish families, of course.

    I think the real problem in our country stems from the left taking over education in order to condition the entire country to be dependent on government. The default view when something is bad is that the government should fix it, instead of that people should take responsibility so as to not have that problem again.

    They just assume this, and have to be explained out of it. And few Republicans are bold enough to actually lay down this maxim that the government isn’t supposed to take care of them, and in fact should be as far out of the way as possible without denying the basics.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  36. _______________________________________________

    But it seems to be that this is not proof of their brain being defective

    If not defective, than somehow innately limited in common sense. And I’m not saying that to be flippant or sarcastic, but because I truly believe that a certain percentage of people are inherently tied to leftist emotions or biases. IOW, all the facts and figures in the world — all the rational, reasonable arguing in the world — won’t change their POV one iota, because they’re so strongly affected by left-leaning gut reactions.

    Many people start off on the left in their youth, and if they’re practical and realistic — and good observers of reality — meaning if they’re not inherently (genetically?) leftwing, they’ll gradually move to the right.

    When I’ve observed older people (those who are beyond their, say, 40th birthday) who remain tied to leftism, I theorize it’s similar to humans who have an innate, incurable condition, such as dyslexia, ADD or color blindness.

    Mark (411533)

  37. Mark, some of these lefties are so bad they probably have a mental illness of some kind. I’m also not saying that to be flippant or sarcastic. I really do think a substantial number of lefties, particularly activists, have some kind of problem.

    But then there are those who don’t seem messed up to me, and are professional adults, and yet they are democrats. Talk to them about some issue, and it’s clear their brain works OK, but there they go, voting for Obama.

    I think most of these people grew up learning that we are supposed to depend on the government, and perhaps learned not to trust Republicans for vague reasons.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  38. _______________________________________________

    I think most of these people grew up learning that we are supposed to depend on the government,

    Dustin, allow me to be an armchair psychologist once more, but some liberals may also be projecting their own dark side onto others, including politicians and political groups. So such liberals themselves are rather selfish, greedy, non-compassionate and even bigoted, and — based on stereotypes that many in the public unfortunately buy into — therefore have a strong need to ascribe those characteristics to rightists/Republicans. It may be a cheap sense of guilt and remorse that makes such “progressives” feel obligated to support liberals and liberal causes.

    Come to think of it, if my amateur Dr. Freud analysis is correct, that may explain why various studies do show that larger percentages of liberals are, in fact, less generous and compassionate than conservatives, and that a higher number of liberals is even flat-out racist or bigoted.

    Mark (411533)

  39. Yeah, you’ve made that point before, Mark. It’s true in at least many cases that someone will be a ‘progressive’ to compensate or relieve their insecurity about how good they really are to their fellow man.

    Dustin (b2fb78)

  40. Regarding the Left’s inability to see evil for what it is;

    There are segments of the Left that trace their ideological line back to the Socialist/Communist Left of the 1930’s. That line was confronted, from the 1950’s on, with the evidence of Stalin’s bestial monstrosity, which they had done so much to excuse. That was followed by the gradual exposure of the monstrousness of Mao, and by exposure of lesser Revolutionary “heroes”. In all, Communism can be believably accused of committing 100,000,000 murders in the 20th century (Black Book of Communism, Harvard Press). And the Socialist/Communist segment of the Left has always been far too late in realizing that their “revolutionary heroes” were murderous swine. It is my belief that this segment of the Left has critically damaged its ability to recognize evil because if they still had it undamaged they would have to absorb that they have been cheerleaders and facilitators of mass murder, and the knowledge would destroy them. And their (for them quite psychologically necessary) denial has poisoned the well of many more on the Left.

    C. S. P. Schofield (09eff5)

  41. _________________________________________________

    In all, Communism can be believably accused of committing 100,000,000 murders in the 20th century (Black Book of Communism, Harvard Press).

    But because the cover story of Communism and its followers (eg, Mao, Stalin, Castro, etc) is somehow associated with “looking out for the good of the common man,” meaning because the BS nature of anything even minutely — microscopically — associated with “compassion” influences many people unconsciously, the word “Communist” is not necessarily perceived as bad as “Fascist.”

    I’ve observed a variety of even conservatives preferring to use “fascist” as a putdown or pejorative rather than “communist,” or wanting to label communists as “fascists.” Regardless of whether that’s accurate or not (and generally it is, because ultra-left and ultra-right are more alike than different), the fact there is a knee-jerk tendency to cringe at “fascist” more than “communist” points to the real origins of what you’re describing.

    The only asterisk I’ll add to that is Hitler and his Final Solution of the 1930s-1940s did amplify the sense — in various people’s minds — that while Communism is horrible, the people-in-ovens nature of fascism (ie Nazi Germany) is even more horrible.

    But those who are fully aware of what actually is more pervasive in corrupting far more people and many more societies in the long run will have a greater understanding of the phrase “the road to hell is paved with good intentions.”

    Mark (411533)

  42. ________________________________________________

    It’s true in at least many cases that someone will be a ‘progressive’ to compensate or relieve their insecurity about how good they really are to their fellow man.

    It would be interesting to do a study of whether a higher percentage of egotists are of the left than the right. There’s a good possibility that a very self-centered, truly ego-driven mindset encourages a person to be liberal — or to switch to leftism at the drop of a hat — because people in general will feel better about themselves if they can somehow demonstrate their do-gooderness.

    I know Bill Clinton and Obama are the epitome of egotists, and both of them certainly lean left, while even Jimmy Carter seems to like stroking his own ego by running around the world displaying his supposed credentials of love (or “love”) and compassion.

    Mark (411533)

  43. Joseph Stalin purged the communist party of jews which makes him a jew hater on par with the Nazis.

    DohBiden (d54602)

  44. They both died when Palestinians stoned their car, hitting the father in the face:

    It took some doing to get the police to admit that.,

    There was another case or two of this over Yom Kippur.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/148591

    Palestinian Authority terrorists continued their attacks on innocent Jewish motorists over Yom Kippur, this time attacking a woman in labor and her husband as they rushed to the hospital. The husband, Ariel Goldman of Pnei Kedem, told Arutz Sheva that the two were lucky to escape with their lives.

    Their ordeal began near Har Homa at 2:30 a.m., as they drove to Hadassah Ein Karem hospital in Jerusalem. Suddenly, they encountered a point in the road that had been blocked by large stones.

    As Goldman slowed the car, looking for a way around the trap, several Palestinian Authority terrorists jumped out and began to hurl rocks at the car.

    The attack turned into a game of cat and mouse, as Goldman looked for ways around the rocks and tried to keep moving, while the terrorists followed the car and continued to pelt it with heavy stones, using a tactic that recently resulted in two deaths near Hevron.

    The terrorists “had murder in their eyes,” Goldman said.

    He finally managed to pass the stone barrier and speed away from the group of attackers, only to encounter a second group that attempted to stone the car near the Jerusalem neighborhood of Talpiot. Goldman managed to speed away a second time.

    A policewoman he later encountered appeared uninterested by his story, but promised to notify her superiors, he said.

    Ariel Goldman and his wife managed to reach the hospital, where she gave birth to a baby boy. Both the baby and mother are in good condition.

    Abbas may perhaps say he disapproves, he may say it is unwise and counterproductive and he has a much better strategy for putting pressure on Israel, he may even condemn it, or use euphemisms to indicate he will attempt to interfere, but he and the PA authority won’t vow to stamp this out with all their might.

    And you see, that’s the problem. This will not go away if other issues are settled. On the contrary, other issues can begin to be settled only if this all goes away first, and for good.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  45. They both died when Palestinians stoned their car, hitting the father in the face:

    It took some doing to get the police to admit that.,

    There was another case or two of this over Yom Kippur.

    http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/148591

    Palestinian Authority terrorists continued their attacks on innocent Jewish motorists over Yom Kippur, this time attacking a woman in labor and her husband as they rushed to the hospital. The husband, Ariel Goldman of Pnei Kedem, told Arutz Sheva that the two were lucky to escape with their lives.

    Their ordeal began near Har Homa at 2:30 a.m., as they drove to Hadassah Ein Karem hospital in Jerusalem. Suddenly, they encountered a point in the road that had been blocked by large stones.

    As Goldman slowed the car, looking for a way around the trap, several Palestinian Authority terrorists jumped out and began to hurl rocks at the car.

    The attack turned into a game of cat and mouse, as Goldman looked for ways around the rocks and tried to keep moving, while the terrorists followed the car and continued to pelt it with heavy stones, using a tactic that recently resulted in two deaths near Hevron.

    The terrorists “had murder in their eyes,” Goldman said.

    He finally managed to pass the stone barrier and speed away from the group of attackers, only to encounter a second group that attempted to stone the car near the Jerusalem neighborhood of Talpiot. Goldman managed to speed away a second time.

    A policewoman he later encountered appeared uninterested by his story, but promised to notify her superiors, he said.

    Ariel Goldman and his wife managed to reach the hospital, where she gave birth to a baby boy. Both the baby and mother are in good condition.

    Abbas may perhaps say he disapproves, he may say it is unwise and counterproductive and he has a much better strategy for putting pressure on Israel, he may even condemn it, or use euphemisms to indicate he will attempt to interfere, but he and the PA authority won’t vow to stamp this out with all their might.

    And you see, that’s the problem. This will not go away if other issues are settled. On the contrary, other issues can begin to be settled only if this all goes away first, and for good.

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  46. What Israel needs to say and isn’t saying is that what is necessary for peace is an end to the hatred and the vilication of Israel – not by the Europeans or the United Nations but by the Arabs and that this must happen FIRST.

    One way: The king of Saudi Arabia or somebody like that can go to the Knesset and say “You are righteous and me and my people are sinners” and apologize for all the lies and slander and murder – and prove it, citing chapter and verse, giving at least half a dozen well known examples.

    Nothing else will work.

    Anything that doesn’t have something like that is a waste of time.

    You say this is impossible? As President Obama said: Peace is hard work.

    We should never give up hope for peace, but we should never be fooled into thinking that what is necessary for peace is in fact NOT necessary for peace.

    In many cases, and in many places, regime change (of some sort) is necessary for peace. No matter how many years pass, it remains necessary. This is true for North Korea and this is pretty nmuch true for Iran. The Cold War didn’t end till Communism ended in Russia (and it’s not completely over because there are too many secrets being protected)

    Sammy Finkelman (d3daeb)

  47. The Saudi King appearing before the Knesset?
    He would be thrown out of the plane on the trip there.

    Another Drew - Restore the Republic/Obama Sucks! (b0aaae)

  48. Savages.

    Bill M (b12003)


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