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1/13/2011

Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 7:40 am



Ace:

MEDIA: Sarah Palin directly and knowingly caused the murders of six innocent human beings.

PALIN: No, I didn’t.

MEDIA: Stop making it all about you!!! This is about the people who were shot!!!

To which I would add:

MEDIA: Sarah Palin directly and knowingly caused the murders of six innocent human beings.

PALIN: No, I didn’t.

MEDIA: Why are you so defensive?

And:

MEDIA: Sarah Palin directly and knowingly caused the murders of six innocent human beings.  She is suspiciously silent.  Will she ever address this?

PALIN: No, I didn’t.

MEDIA: Too soon.

Meanwhile, the media is eating up Obama’s speech. Why, he remained above the partisan fray! He showed the courage to deny that “a simple lack of civility caused this tragedy.” And even though that is a completely meaningless statement — even though I can hear Eric Boehlert saying: “True enough! It was that extreme right-wing rhetoric that caused it!” — still, the amazing courage it took for Obama to burn that strawman down . . . it brings tears to my eyes.

Ace is seemingly about the only blogger I follow who shares my view of last night’s pep rally memorial. (WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!)

If, like me, you were just thinking, “Hey, he’s keeping the focus on the victims, that’s good” (and by good I mean awful, because they were real living people, once), brace yourself, he’s about to turn bad.

He doesn’t so much make accusations as continue to pander to deranged leftists who insist that Sarah Palin is an accomplice to murder. But who knows — given that the left is now determined to avenge the shootings via some eliminationist rhetoric and possibly actions of their own, maybe it’s helpful and will save lives.

If he wants to make the left understand I mean you too he has to say so though, because of course otherwise they assume they can do no wrong.

“We cannot use this occasion as one more reason to turn on each other.” Nice thought, but I sure hope that at some point the word goes out I mean the left too.

No… I tried to give him a break, but it’s the heavy implication this was a political attack (why else all the emphasis on disagreeing without being disagreeable?).

Yup, trying to run the Bill Clinton 1995 playbook.

No, Ace. I am assured by every other conservative on Earth that his speech was pitch-perfect. The smug looks? Icing on the cake.

Look. Kirsten Powers (yes, Kirsten Powers) nailed this on Twitter: “Not surprising that O gave an inspiring speech but all the pleas for civility etc didn’t make sense unless u think that’s what caused this.” (u have to abbreviate on Twitter b/c of 140 char limit.) It’s all part of an effort to shut down effective Republican rhetoric — and at its worst and most cynical, even to delay our legislative priorities.

Obama won’t stop that. Why should we praise him for pretending to, when he didn’t?

Ace has been on fire lately, by the way. I can’t do his posts justice. Just keep scrolling.

122 Responses to “Sarah Palin vs. Barack Obama”

  1. i respectfully disagree. it started weird, with an odd celebratory vibe. cheering, “woot!” all that inappropriate crap. i am not sure how much of that to pin on obama.

    But then about midway through he got serious.

    And i did consider what he said a pretty clear repuke of the “blame republicans” approach. i think he knew this was a loser and didn’t want to get associated with it.

    i think by the end of it, he did a “C” job. not excellent, not even great, but satisfactory.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  2. “i respectfully disagree. it started weird, with an odd celebratory vibe. cheering, “woot!” all that inappropriate crap. i am not sure how much of that to pin on obama.”

    Consider the setup too. Earlier they had some of the medical staff and a hero. This was not an event for one mood, but for a whole range of community reactions. Together We Thrive.

    One reaction they did leave out was that of the naggers. But they can do that at home or on the Internet.

    tcom (68f669)

  3. Palin yearns to be president and this has been a huge setback for that dream. The more people defend her the more she becomes poor pitiful Palin in constant need of defendings.

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  4. Listening to the “memorial service” it reminded me of what they did when Wellstone died. Obama did a better job than the organizers of the memorial. This memorial made an Irish wake seem like a Bible reading of Amish women.

    But if tamping down the rhetoric was so important, where has Obama been since Saturday? For someone so spectacularly good at making everything about himself, he was silent about a lot of the heat he has supplied to the debate since 2008.

    Palin could not win with her critics. Had she done her video right after the shooting, they would have accused her of putting herself above the victims. When she releases it on Wednesday, they ask why she is stepping on Obama’s time. And if she had waited until later this week she would have been accused of stirring things up again. Jonah Goldberg is right – her critics were going to find something to criticize her on if they had to reach down to her colons and semicolons.

    MU789 (6ce96d)

  5. MEDIA: Sarah Palin directly and knowingly caused the murders of six innocent human beings.

    PALIN: Do you have any evidence for those allegations?

    MEDIA: No, and we don’t need any. We’re the freaking Media.

    PALIN: Blood libel.

    MEDIA: Anti-Semite.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  6. “Naggers” ?

    Nothing says memorial service like t-shirts and branding.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  7. it’s great that we are all wound up about this speech stuff. now we don’t have to think about the fact that our government has been busy killing the goose that laid the golden egg … another couple years of this regime and it’ll be really, truly sincerely dead.

    (please for give the eliminationist rhetoric … it’s in the air)

    quasimodo (4af144)

  8. I think on the surface it sounded nice, but:
    – I agree that his comments about civility in discourse supports the theme that uncivil political discourse had a role in the shootings
    – his comments about who was Republican and Democrat among the people shot suggest that political instincts are more important than human instincts to him
    – the fact that there were T-shirts with a slogan on them sounds much more like marketing something rather than a memorial event. Doesn’t “We Can Thrive” sound a lot like “Yes We Can”

    This was primarily an irrational act by a seriously disturbed person, very sad and very tragic. If anything of political substance should be discussed, at some point, it would be if there are things we can do concerning mental illness and buying firearms.

    I’ll believe Obama is a little itty bit concerned about the civility of discourse when I see his comments condemning a movie about the assassination of President Bush, as well as the charges that Bush lied and purposefully deceived the American people.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  9. Nothing says memorial service like t-shirts and branding.

    amen

    quasimodo (4af144)

  10. Nothing says presidential like shrill accusations of blood libel.

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  11. feets- you were entertaining last night, but when you comment on Palin you’re just like the left, fault will be found no matter what she does.

    That says more about the attackers than the attacked.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  12. “Nothing says memorial service like t-shirts and branding.”

    People are really having trouble processing the uniqueness of these events and the community responses to them. But I don’t get why they have to be such naggers about it.

    tcom (f71f05)

  13. JD

    That’s right, it was “Memorialfest 2010!” i heard Ozzy Osborn headlined.

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  14. Happyfeet – you know I love you, but what they have said about Palin, who I am no fan of, has been at its best, reprehensible. There was nothing shrill about her defending herself, in a very restrained manner.

    JD (822109)

  15. that doesn’t mean she’s faultless Mr. MD

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  16. Tcom is a racist. And a dick.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  17. Maybe someone should accuse you on inciting murder, even though you’re really only talking about cutting
    spending, see how you like it.

    narciso (6075d0)

  18. it got shrilled up in repetition in the dirty socialist media echo chamber Mr. JD… Palin’s
    arrogance in thinking she could grab a bullhorn during the middle of a “national tragedy” and Have Her Message Heard is sorta the very definition of hubris I think

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  19. I have a cold

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  20. happyfeet, are you a farmer with extra straw around that you need to find a use for?

    OF COURSE SHE HAS FAULTS!!!!

    (picture me jumping up and down as I scream that, but doing it with civility and nonviolence))

    This is not about whether Palin is or is not a good candidate for President, because the nanosecond after somebody else looks like the front-runner for conservatives, that person will then be subject to the same fury and rage. That’s what this is about.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  21. happyfeet, your comments continue to disappoint.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  22. Mournapalooza Tour 2011 T-Shirts wif Obama standing over Gabby in a hospital bed would be a nice healing and striving message I think.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  23. if they could’ve found where Romneykins had used crosshairs to target gabby they wouldn’t have been shy to exploit that in deference to his lukewarm support I don’t think Mr. MD

    This turned into a Palin fanboy rave unto the light fantastic I think.

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  24. Say hi to Ctluthu, pikachu

    narciso (6075d0)

  25. Mournapalooza Tour 2009 T-Shirts, Fort Hood Edition, with a picture of the dead and wounded captioned by “Don’t Jump To Conclusions,” and an Obama logo on the back would be a thrivey message and big seller, you know, for the consistency, and the chirren.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  26. Palin’s arrogance in thinking she could grab a bullhorn during the middle of a “national tragedy” and Have Her Message Heard is sorta the very definition of hubris I think

    Congrats, the most undeniably genuine comment on this post.

    I think you speak for much of America.

    Tory (f71f05)

  27. Why cannot Republics show some compromise and do what is best for the country? We all know that Happy Feet is right on about Sarah Palin. She is a big fake. Tries to pass off her daughter’s baby as her own, kills wild animals, is stupid and from a small state of no importance. Bob Dole is not to old to be POTUS at 87 nor is John McCain and, if youth must be served, what about either Huckabee or Ron Paul? Surely all four would be very competitive against Obama? Obama is doing a yeoman’s job of creating jobs, especially for more government bureaucracy. Dade county, Florida now has over 500,000 people on food stamps.

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (798aba)

  28. 18.it got shrilled up in repetition in the dirty socialist media echo chamber

    Now you’re just incomprehensible: what Palin said wasn’t shrill but it became shrill by repetition in the media?

    You never miss a chance to attack Palin, no matter how far you have to reach.

    Some chump (4c6c0c)

  29. #18 is ridiculous, happyfeet.

    JD (6e25b4)

  30. Tory’s violent eliminationist Rhetoric is coarsening the debate.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  31. we’ll see but I think she’s mortally wounded with independents after this and it’s perfectly fair to ask why and to posit that she could have handled herself better

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  32. “Obama is doing a yeoman’s job of creating jobs, especially for more government bureaucracy.”

    Mr. Calypso – You are correct. If Mr. Obama continued on his path of government control and expansion we could all work for the government and there would be no unemployment!

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  33. “#18 is ridiculous, happyfeet.”

    Also very helpful, healing and thrivey for Team R, and the chirren.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  34. This loon acted due to severe mental illness exacerbated by daily drug use, and had nothing to do with Palin or anyone on any part of the political spectrum.Whether Palin is awful and mean and spends her days yelling curses with a megaphone at Obama in from of 1600 or is a nun in a cloister or somehwere in between is a complete nonissue. So for Obama to bring up civility means he’s trying to use this incident as a shield against any criticism of him and of his policies. And this from a man who started out his career in the living room of a murderous terrorist like Bill Ayers and who suggested bringing guns to a knife fight. Civililty indeed.

    Further the whole “it’s for the children” meme has to be discredited. It’s beyond parody, and the left keeps using it to justify anything they want.

    T-shirts? Are you freaking kidding?

    Bugg (9e308e)

  35. She could have handled herself better?! Within 43 minutes of the shootings, the assbandits at firedoglake had already blamed her, and they were just getting started. The MFM alternated between she did not say enough and she is talking too soon, trying to inject herself into it, when it was the left and the MFM that drug her into it immediately. Your hatred of Palin is really clouding your thoughts.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  36. it’s not my hatred of Palin what’s left her dirty and bleeding in the ditch on the road to the white house

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  37. No, Palin doesn’t need any help with her elimination as a viable leader. All we have to do is give her a mic.

    Tory (4cb19a)

  38. 23.if they could’ve found where Romneykins had used crosshairs to target gabby they wouldn’t have been shy to exploit that in deference to his lukewarm support I don’t think Mr. MD

    I have no idea what you intended to say there, with the double negatives and what not.

    But I’ll make clear something I said as I think it may be involved in your comment.

    We should know, if we remember the last few years, that the MSM and left will be very kind to the Repub candidates during primary season that they would like to run against in the final. So there may be Republicans from whom they withold their attacks, but anybody that looks like a credible conservative challenger should put their family on an island somewhere with no media access (maybe that place where the ex-Mrs. Woods went to) so they don’t have to put up with the crap, nor does the candidate need to worry about the emotional toll on their family. That is what this is about.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  39. Tory – take your hate speech and violence-inducing rhetoric back under the rock you crawled out from under.

    JD (822109)

  40. What if Muslim Rep. Keith Ellis had put crosshairs on an opponent’s district and fancied himself a shooter like “Annie Oakley” Palin? How do you think the Fox Newsers would react? This isn’t about Palin, this is about the right-wing hate machine, the Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Savage, Boortz radio talkers whose hate has become mainstream and has already caused documented acts of violence. Palin is but a small insignificant part of this and a victim more of bad taste, ignorance, and circumstances.

    Tory (3f7f82)

  41. T-shirts? Are you freaking kidding?
    Comment by Bugg

    That’s what I thought, but it’s true. Bumper stickers, too. “We Will Thrive” (Same meter as “Yes We Can”).

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  42. Everyone should remember that Pete Rouse, Anita Dunn, and Kim Elton all have experience in dealing with Palin in Alaska. They know how strong she is. They know how smart she is. They are the one’s who are leading the charge against Palin. All three work for Obama. Nuff said.

    RefudiateObama2012 (f82fbb)

  43. “whose hate has become mainstream and has already caused documented acts of violence.”

    Tory – Let’s have that provable causation please. If you can prove causation, will you accept similar causation on your side? The list is longer, I just want to warn you in advance.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  44. why are we arguing with each other instead of thriving?

    I wish that woman wasn’t so dividey

    happyfeet (aa4bab)

  45. Tory – Even freaking Barcky thinks you are an imbecile. F@ck you and you lying hate filled uncivil violence promoting lies.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  46. The hypocrisy of trolls decrying nonexistant “documented acts of violence” caused by one sides rhetoric and praising their own violent rhetoric is just a continuation of the brazen dishonesty we see from Democrats these days.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  47. Well Dunn is out of a job, because Maophilia proved to be too much, but Rouse, he got thrown under the bus, in favor of Daley, right, and Elton was rewarded with Alaska’s Interior affairs

    narciso (6075d0)

  48. I know, I know … you’re prepared to spew lists of communist atrocities by evil Marxist dictators but you can save it. I was just referring to the here and now of the last few years. The Unitarian Church killer Jim David Adkisson, Richard Poplawski, Byron Williams, and many more.

    Tory (ea0a0b)

  49. 40 tory bioya,mf. check out the hate on a post at powerlineblog.com Naturally google was quickly asked to remove the offending tweets or whatever the hell you call them. Your wanna-fellate-obama media turns a blind eye to the outrages of the Eric Holder/Obama justice department and lambasts the Tea Party movement. The left seems more concerned with Palin’s uterus more than they do about ever vetting the great black hope octoroon from Kenya/Indonesia or anything connected to his past or associations.
    As far as Palin is concerned, I do wonder why so many women and the girly men of the good old boy GOP loathe her with a passion. Did she not take on and destroy the Alaskan establishment GOP in her run for governor? Why not compare the way Palin ran Alaska to the way Obama is running America into the ground? Do we need worry about the left so much when the GOP has idiots like Steele at the top? Or Senators oh so ready to compromise with liberals? And why are my taxes going to support left-wing propaganda machines like NPR, PBS and the NEA? Right wing radio needs to be muzzled and the most popular hosts’ freedom of speech taken away while the alphabet TV networks spew lies all day long? My neighbors rant all day long about Rush, Coulter,Beck and “Faux” news but have squat to say about NY Times, LA Times, Olberdouche, Matthews, Maddow et al. And don’t get me started on controlling the Internet. Anyone ever try to check out DU, Kos and Huff Post?

    Calypso Louie Farrakhan (798aba)

  50. Someone is believing SPLC’s horse manure I see.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  51. “I was just referring to the here and now of the last few years.”

    Troy – So was I, but I’m happy to go back farther.

    You’ve already through your comments proved yourself to be an extremely gullible person. You’ve regurgitated readily debunked talking points created by the left wing propaganda machine intended to make conservatives look bad. Given your record so far, my bet is on further beclowning, but I’ve got to run for a bit.

    daleyrocks (e7bc4f)

  52. #

    What if Muslim Rep. Keith Ellis had put crosshairs on an opponent’s district and fancied himself a shooter like “Annie Oakley” Palin? How do you think the Fox Newsers would react? This isn’t about Palin, this is about the right-wing hate machine, the Limbaugh, Levin, Beck, Savage, Boortz radio talkers whose hate has become mainstream and has already caused documented acts of violence. Palin is but a small insignificant part of this and a victim more of bad taste, ignorance, and circumstances.

    Comment by Tory — 1/13/2011 @ 8:58 am

    Here’s a good indication that Tory lives in a bubble. And awful lot of media have noted the democrat party’s use of target metaphors directed at Republicans.

    Hell, Obama said to bring a gun to a knife fight.

    Tory, what’s wrong with you? Why would your hack partisanship go so far as to blood libel people? You’re such an awful person.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  53. I can’t get over how he stood there like the preeminent douche of doucheville and lied about Gabby opening her eyes for the first time.

    If you’re going to politically exploit brain-damaged shooting victims you should do so with a bit of finesse I think.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  54. Happyfeet would advise Sarah Palin that if rape was inevitable, she may as well lay back and enjoy it.

    And Tory would claim she invited it with the short skirt she was wearing.

    Blue Ox (ff919a)

  55. Dustin, whichever troll “Tory” is continues the dishonesty, linking criminals who kill police officers during a domestic dispute with political rhetoric as above just shows that this “Tory” is engaged in nothing but fraud.

    This kind of dishonesty is backfiring on the Democrats.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  56. There is no parallel on the left to the extremist right wing hate machine.

    Comment by Tory

    You are aware that there is a long list of people threatening to kill Sarah Palin… it’s proven on this blog… just one thread over, right?

    And people like you are cheering it on.

    Tory, you call this:

    Every fair-minded person should support government safety nets for people who need assistance through no fault of their own. But guys like McDermott don’t make distinctions like that. For them, the baby Jesus wants us to “provide,” no matter what the circumstance. But being a Christian, I know that while Jesus promoted charity at the highest level, he was not self-destructive.

    extremist rhetoric, responsible for violence.

    Why are you such a liar? What in the hell is wrong with you? You have absolutely no indication this motivated anyone, and it’s quite obvious it couldn’t. It’s legitimate political speech, and you’re trying to shut it down because you’re a partisan hack.

    Shame on you.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  57. Democrats have certainly demonstrated their innate hostility to liberty and fear of real democracy.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  58. “We Will Thrive” is a much creepier, collectivist, 1984-ish slogan than “Yes We Can”, I think – which is made scarier by the fact that if Obama wins a second term under that slogan (assuming it polls well, after the little test-run he gave it at a mass-funeral last night), then he will be running the country without thought of reelection. Who the hell is “We”, anyway?

    Trends.

    Leviticus (1ecdf8)

  59. That is it in a nutshell, SPQR.

    They are taking a guy who, frankly, doesn’t seem to be conservative at all, and gleefully throwing the blood of his victims on normal political expression. Their entire point is to desperately turn the tide of public opinion, because things like Obamacare and stimulus spending are not popular.

    Tory linking to that OReilly thread and insisting it’s causing violence is the perfect example. Tory wants that kind of speech stopped, even though it’s completely tame. What a disgrace. Blood libeling conservatives, calling them extremist for nothing is itself very extremelist. It’s far more guilty of poisoning society than anything Sarah Palin or Michelle Bachmann will ever or have ever said.

    And they know it. Typical of the Alinkites to play by their own rules, inciting violence while pretending the innocent are doing it.

    And they call themselves democrats. These people who want to shut down democracy.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  60. Tory

    33 page paper by the gov on domestic left winf terorist groups that acording to you dont exist

    http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/left.pdf

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  61. And Tory would claim she invited it with the short skirt she was wearing.

    Actually, the tea party is not only using this tragedy to raise money, tea party leader Trent Humphries is blaming Giffords – the victim, for the shooting.

    Class act.

    Tory (02672e)

  62. Tory

    From the administration

    Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially
    designated acts of terrorism in America
    in the 1980s.

    EricPWJohnson (4380b4)

  63. I haven’t seen anything on just who made up the audience for our beloved President last night in Tucson. If I had to guess it was an invite only crowd or very well controlled by BO’s White House, meaning, the same people who dreamed up the t-shirts had a lot to say about who got in. Chances are there were lots of state and federal government workers and D sympathizers there. SEIU thugs all no doubt. It would be interesting to find out.

    I am no fan of Palin, but it seems she was damned no matter which way she responded and given the despicable charges by our darlings on the left–she had to respond forcefully.

    BT (74cbec)

  64. Tory’s memes and talking points quite neatly mimic some of our regular trolls. SHOCKA

    JD (6e25b4)

  65. Frankly, one wonders just why trolls like Tory think that displaying all of their spittle-flecked hatred in public convinces anyone of how its their political opponents who are so hate-filled.

    All of their commentary shows that it is the Democrats who are filled en masse with irrationalty, name-calling and psychologically dangerous levels of hate.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  66. Well, maybe I should ammo up and join your anti government patriot movement and get myself a limited edition Joe Wilson (R-SC) “You lie” assault rifle? Maybe that’s the solution.

    Tory (ad842b)

  67. Class act.

    Comment by Tory

    I’ll admit, that was a stupid thing to say.

    But the point of the comment, twisted by MSNBC, was that Giffords was aware of Palin’s target map, and did not change her security whatsoever. The reason she did not is because the map was not threatening, and no one sane thinks it could inspire violence (and indeed, that’s proven true… no one has been inspired by the map).

    Another good piece of evidence that I’m right is that MSNBC and basically half the left have been reposting this map hundreds of times. Why do that? It’s got many districts in the crosshairs, with plenty of other democrats marked for defeat in election. If you really thought the map was dangerously violent, why would you keep posting it with no concern about the other people on the map?

    Tory hasn’t expressed any concern about any of the other district’s candidates. I bet she doesn’t even know any of their names. No one on the left has paused for a nanosecond to worry.

    Why? because they are all liars about Giffords’s district being marked being a risk.

    Giffords was aware of this map and didn’t have any security at her event. It would be horrible to say it’s therefore her fault she was shot, but it is pretty clear she didn’t think she had security concerns.

    However, thanks to folks like Tory, Palin is drastically increasing her security, for good reason.

    Giffords was killed by an insane person, over grammar mind control. That theory began in 2007, and can’t be blamed on Palin. Tory is a disgusting person.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  68. Nothing says presidential like shrill accusations of blood libel.

    Comment by happyfeet — 1/13/2011 @ 8:13 am

    Happyfeet – you know I love you, but what they have said about Palin, who I am no fan of, has been at its best, reprehensible. There was nothing shrill about her defending herself, in a very restrained manner.

    Comment by JD — 1/13/2011 @ 8:16 am

    that doesn’t mean she’s faultless Mr. MD

    happyfeet changes the subject when someone challenges his premise.

    it got shrilled up in repetition in the dirty socialist media echo chamber Mr. JD

    happyfeet resorts to one of his cryptic responses/changes the subject when someone challenges his premise.

    Gerald A (138c50)

  69. I should have said happyfeet resorts to one of his cryptic responses/changes the subject/changes his original claim when someone challenges his premise.

    Gerald A (138c50)

  70. It’s political gamesmanship,” he told the Guardian. “The real case is that she [Giffords] had no security whatsoever at this event. So if she lived under a constant fear of being targeted, if she lived under this constant fear of this rhetoric and hatred that was seething, why would she attend an event in full view of the public with no security whatsoever?”

    That’s Trent Humphries.

    Tory, how in the world is this blaming Giffords for the shooting?

    You and the Raw Story say that’s what he meant, but it looks to me like he’s saying she didn’t think the Palin map was a serious concern. It’s true. She clearly did not. How is that blaming her for the shooting?

    Why are you libeling people for making completely fair points?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  71. Well, maybe I should ammo up and join your anti government patriot movement and get myself a limited edition Joe Wilson (R-SC) “You lie” assault rifle? Maybe that’s the solution.

    Comment by Tory — 1/13/2011 @ 9:41 am

    So, in the name of Giffords, you’re screaming about Assault Rifles, too?

    Looks like you’re an idiot.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  72. Meanwhile Sanders was actually fundraising off the event,

    narciso (6075d0)

  73. Class act.

    Comment by Tory

    Sounds like you’re in good company then.

    Blue Ox (ff919a)

  74. Well, maybe I should ammo up and join your anti government patriot movement…

    No one here has an “anti government patriot movement” – so this is yet another example of a lying troll.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  75. Anyone recognizing the trend with “Tory”?

    “Tory” – your hate-filled violence inducing eliminationist rhetoric is uncivil and unwelcome.

    JD (0d2ffc)

  76. My premise is that Palin is political chum in the water and she’s taken huge strides away from the White House over the past few days.

    I don’t think I’ve backed off of that an inch Mr. Gerald.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  77. Repeating SPLC lies is another sure sign of dishonesty, in the ’80’s the SPLC put out a press release claiming that a pistol competition league was a white supremacist group when at that time its executive director was a black LA Fire dept captain.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  78. Also a class act by Speaker Boner to attend and RNC cocktail fundraiser and refuse Obama’s invitation to fly to Tucson.

    Four AZ Republicans have resigned after threats from the tea party. African American District Chairman Anthony Miller said constant verbal attacks by local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family’s safety.

    Tory (df6252)

  79. she’s taken huge strides away from the White House over the past few days.

    It’s hard for me to care much about Palin’s chances, but I guess we all should. Perhaps someone amazing will show up in the primaries, but so far, Palin seems to be the presumptive nominee.

    Remember, if she runs, she runs against these psychos. She runs against Obama, who will pull the same ‘let’s all be civil’ act while thousands of his Tory like fans call for Palin’s death.

    Sadly, this probably will take a lot of attention away from the issues. Issues like foreign policy and spending, where I think Palin has a major advantage over Obama.

    It would be a mess. the entire election would probably be the worst America has ever seen, including Abe Lincoln’s.

    But Palin doesn’t seem to be egging it on much. She was mild in defending herself from something extreme. Anyone in her shoes will probably be in the same boat.

    Obama’s inspired a lot of people to play by their own set of rules, to agitate, to lie, to scheme, to astroturf. The only difference is that Palin is not very experienced in politics, giving rise to a good set of criticisms, and she’s also pretty and has been known for a couple of years, making the agitation very loud years before the 2012 election.

    I think we should pause and consider how Obama probably welcomed birther complaints, because it elevated him and allowed him to play victim. Palin will have the same benefit, x 1000. The left’s media can only say she was ugly for defending herself so many times.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  80. Also a class act by Speaker Boner

    LOL.

    You’re starting to look like Yelverton.

    Angry, much?

    Boehner was classy to not attend that disgrace of a ‘memorial’. He doesn’t belong to Obama, and he was smart to not make himself a pawn, whose presence would signal that the right was somehow endorsing the screaming and chanting and whooping over the dead people.

    Brewer probably had a much harder time making that call. I almost wish we could just have another memorial and not invite the screamers to it, but the families will be fine without such displays.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  81. Look how well having Republicans attend Paul Wellstone’s memorial turned out – there’s “class act” for you.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  82. It would be a mess. the entire election would probably be the worst America has ever seen, including Abe Lincoln’s.

    yes. I don’t want this for our little country. There’s simply no dignity in it.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  83. Ding ding ding. Congrats, Dustin. You are correct. Our midget hilljack racist flautist is going all gender bender again.

    JD (b98cae)

  84. JD,

    I assume he’s using “Tory” as in the British conservative party, to demonstrate how awesomely clever he is.

    Blue Ox (ff919a)

  85. Blue Ox, that’s a likely guess. Though if it’s Yelverton, maybe he just wants to play that he’s a girl again.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  86. Blue Ox – you are giving him/her/it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much credit.

    JD (306f5d)

  87. Enough hyperbole. No one wants to harm Palin. As with Mrs. Bush and many people here, we think she should just stay in Alaska and enjoy her recreational killing of animals.

    Tory (32d0cf)

  88. Unconvincing, Tory, when Democrats are putting up effigies of Palin being lynched.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  89. tory

    enough hyperbole? i am sure you were denoucing the hyperbole directed AT palin, right?

    Aaron Worthing (e7d72e)

  90. #68 Frankly, one wonders just why trolls like Tory think that displaying all of their spittle-flecked hatred in public convinces anyone of how its their political opponents who are so hate-filled.

    Because it worked on him and people like Tory think they are the smartest people in any conversation. If it was good enough for him it should easily convince the rubes. When it doesn’t the answer is to turn up the hate.

    karmanline8 (dfae20)

  91. we think she should just stay in Alaska and enjoy her recreational killing of animals.

    We have elections in this country, idiot. The people get to say if she should stay in Alaska, or instead have political power. It’s not up to you.

    That’s why you wish her harm, libel her, scream like a monkey. You’ve ignored my questions and refutations of your lies in this thread because you are a coward. You can’t compete. That’s why you’re mad.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  92. Several posters have posed “what if” scenarios. Please do the joe friday routine of “just the facts” If a frog had wings it would not bump its butt. So what?

    dunce (b89258)

  93. More beclowning.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/01/12/msnbcs_matthews_we_cant_exonerate_palin_until_we_know_the_truth.html

    In order to exonerate someone you need a valid assignment of blame or obligation. It doesn’t count when you make stuff up.

    Don’t liberals feel a little strange when their talking points are from a Monty Python script?

    karmanline8 (dfae20)

  94. Via Townhall, Deb Saunders takes a look at the issue and finds that Sarah Palin and Britney Spears have something in common.

    Angeleno (91c113)

  95. “We Will Thrive”

    Well, they were the ones they were waiting for.

    East Bay Jay (2fd7f7)

  96. from Mr. Angeleno’s link

    The sorry episode confirmed the suspicion that Palin is addicted to getting attention, while her boosters are addicted to defending every thoughtless utterance she releases. And even her boosters know what most Republicans know: Palin is not a serious thinker.

    It always makes me sad to think about what Palin might have been. What if, knowing she might be chosen, she had done a better job of preparing to be a presidential running mate? What if John McCain had not asked her to join the GOP ticket? What if she had entered the spotlight without having her personal life smeared on the Internet?

    I think back on her as the Alaska governor, with a 90 percent approval rating and a maverick’s commitment to taking on the corrupt elements inside her own party. I think of the pragmatic Wasilla mayor who championed a sales tax to pay for law enforcement. If McCain had chosen someone else, in a couple of years, Palin might have become a seasoned politician, a smaller target and more surgical debater.

    Instead — as pundits dissected Palin’s performance as a mother and feasted on her daughter’s teen pregnancy — an ugly trial-by-fire brought out the worst in Palin. With her tweets and Facebook pronouncements, she’s become a virtuoso at pressing liberal buttons. It’s too bad that, like the people who live to hate her, she doesn’t know how to stop.

    this seems fair.

    happyfeet (a55ba0)

  97. Tory

    From the administration

    Leftist extremists were responsible for three-fourths of the officially
    designated acts of terrorism in America [in the 1980s.]

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 1/13/2011 @ 9:34 am

    –Eric Johnson, notice the “in the 1980s”. What about since then?

    Jim (87e69d)

  98. it brings tears to my eyes

    Proving once again PP, just how sensitive you are!

    AD-RtR/OS! (b8ab92)

  99. JD, you are just giving Tory crap about the violent elimination rhetoric, right? I’m not seeing any. Normally I’d assume you’re just riding his butt, but, in these times, I thought I’d ask.

    Tory, I used to live in the area which the AZ republicans who resigned represented. It’s an area with incomes substantially above the norm in Phoenix and was not associated with anything radical back in the 1990s. Not sure what happened since then, but the changes must not have been for the better.

    Jim (87e69d)

  100. Enough hyperbole. No one wants to harm Palin.

    Right. Her church burned down all on its own. Meanwhile, if there was ever a church that deserved burning it’s Obama’s, and yet notice how solid and unburned it remains.

    Milhouse (ea66e3)

  101. Nobody thinks the hot chick with the Iron Fields accent is smart. Hmmmmm. I always have trouble squaring that circle with what I witnessed in the VP debate. And it wasn’t what Palin said, it was what Biden did – making up huge whoppers of historical fiction (his Lebanese history is a hoot!) to better make his case against Bush and the Republicans. Politicians that ‘audible in’ their imaginations to fill out history in debates are by definition ‘on the ropes’. How bad are you getting beat in a debate when your case requires you to make up foreign policy failures for the other side?

    “I think back on her as the Alaska governor, with a 90 percent approval rating”

    Funny, before the media ripped her apart Dems in Alaska liked her. The ‘doesn’t know who controls Congress crowd’ votes and takes polls just like those paying attention.

    East Bay Jay (2fd7f7)

  102. Milhouse, they still don’t have a subject or motive in the arson at Palin’s home church.

    Jim (87e69d)

  103. There are reasons I don’t read Townhall nor take feets seriously anymore.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  104. Jay, that entire article is blatantly unfair.

    It rests heavily on the premise that Palin won the libel issue. It claims she won before her video, therefore her video was just attention whoring at the Spears level.

    Except… that’s a lie. Everyone knows Palin was being bashed hard. There is absolutely no indication she had ‘won’. No retractions, no apologies, nothing. She was silent on it, and it did her no favors. Bush was silent on the ‘WMD lie’ myth the media harped on, and it ruined his legacy.

    Palin will not shut up when someone attacks her. Sorry.

    What’s interesting is the new narrative is not that she killed people, but that she is ugly for defending herself. That’s a relative victory for Palin. The Townhall article goes into the antisemitic issue too, and it’s pathetic. ‘Yes, I know there was a WSJ article on monday!’. Defensive much? A lot of people use the term blood libel for this kind of smear. It gets really old when ‘elites’ pretend Palin must be stupid and mistaken because she uses a complex term. She got it right, townhall got it wrong.

    What I’m really seeing is deafening silence from the other GOP nominee contenders. Pawlenty was the only one I’ve heard really stick up for her (and he was squishy about it).

    This is a serious issue for the Tea Party, and I would like someone who is presidential, but also willing to fight back against this kind of crap.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  105. this seems fair.

    of course you think so feet: it attacks Palin.

    redc1c4 (fb8750)

  106. I agree, Dustin. The media and liberal pundits will never let up on GOP candidates, no matter how they moderate their tone or their policy positions. Whoever is chosen as the GOP nominee will get the Palin treatment. How many will show the fortitude and willingness to get back in the ring the way Palin has?

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  107. Take a step back … if George W. Bush was still President of the US, he would have been blamed for this tragedy in Tucson … based on the fact that he ultimately would have been the chief law enforcement officer in the US.

    I wonder why Obama escaped such a fate.

    We all know the answer to that … they blamed it on some non-governmental civilian woman in Alaska.

    Frankly, if this doesn’t sound like “the dog ate my homework” .. nothing does.

    Neo (03e5c2)

  108. What Palin and any other conservative might want to do, realizing that whatever they say or do will be criticized, is “rope a dope” critics into taking increasingly ridiculous positions, such as is happening here.

    But one can not predict irrational rage, so it probably will be best to simply continue to be reasonable and refuse to give in.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  109. DRJ’s bolded sentence is a hard truth we have to accept. Palin’s the front runner… guess what happens if someone else becomes the front runner?

    Mccain was about to have a heart attack, his POW disabilities were claimed against him, since he can’t type well. He was called every name in the book. And he was the most moderate nominee ever… moreseo even than H W Bush.

    Whoever we nominate will have to have Palin’s willingness to fight back. I hope they have other things, like great experience, but there’s no way to win if they don’t try.

    Townhall asking that our nominee not fight back is an ad hoc request, simply meant to bash Palin.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  110. The idea that ( _______ ) insert conservative name here, brought this on themselves is remarkable. Were the MFM not clobbering a conservative over this issue, it would be another. The idea that repeal of health care should be avoided because it is divisive is laughable, as they would disagree just as much with the next item on the agenda. It is about time people start defending themselves against these scurilous charges.

    JD (9c6ca7)

  111. “What Palin and any other conservative might want to do, realizing that whatever they say or do will be criticized, is “rope a dope” critics into taking increasingly ridiculous positions, such as is happening here.”

    Instead, she ends up caught in that very trap.

    tcom (32d0cf)

  112. Comment by DRJ

    Thank you, as I said up in #20 and #38, you have the baton now, and I’m going to try, again, to get off of this computer.

    if George W. Bush was still President of the US, he would have been blamed for this tragedy in Tucson … based on the fact that he ultimately would have been the chief law enforcement officer in the US.
    I wonder why Obama escaped such a fate.
    We all know the answer to that … they blamed it on some non-governmental civilian woman in Alaska.

    Comment by Neo

    Indeed, they’ve found out what to say now that “It’s Bush’s fault” doesn’t work as well anymore.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  113. tcom is a racist. And a nagger.

    JD (9c6ca7)

  114. A+ nagging, however, goes to Erik Erikson, who after the attempted assassination of a Jewish politician, thinks that was is missing is more talk about “a saving faith in Jesus Christ.” That just makes “blood libel” more like a punch line.

    tcom (c4caa8)

  115. should be “what is missing”

    tcom (c4caa8)

  116. “she’s become a virtuoso at pressing liberal buttons.”–Deborah Saunders re: Sarah Palin

    I remember a guy like that from back in the 60s. His name was Ronald Reagan.

    The libs hated him, laughed at him, said he was stupid, and all kinds of people, including his fellow Republicans, said he could never be elected.

    You’ve probably heard of him, he went on to serve two terms as President of The United States.

    I like Deborah Saunders…but, she’s way off base on this one.

    Dave Surls (c01b0e)

  117. Instead, she ends up caught in that very trap.

    Comment by tcom

    In what way? If you disagree with the position in her video, you are insane. Freedom of speech is a beautiful part of America’s greatness. Why do you oppose that? If that’s not what you mean, then why are you lying about Palin’s position?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  118. $arah sure does react to EVERYTHING in the same way. One trick donkey…HEE HAW HEE HAW.

    DEO (54de93)

  119. I wonder if we’ll nominate Palin just to see people’s heads explode.

    I had a disk drive fail at work today. I blamed it on Palin.

    Kevin M (73dcc9)

  120. This is not about whether Palin is or is not a good candidate for President, because the nanosecond after somebody else looks like the front-runner for conservatives, that person will then be subject to the same fury and rage. That’s what this is about.

    Absolutely! My fear is the GOP will be taken in by this new tone of American civility and bipartisan kumbyah that our president has encouraged. It’s not hard to see the wrong sort of candidate easing up in an effort to reach out while simultaneously inhibiting the high degree of shrewdness that will be necessary to prevent being crushed by the unabashed hate that is sure to come. Of course that hate will be unleashed with polite smiles and a mask of decency but it will be relentless in it’s targeting. I hope whoever rises to the occasion remembers to be wise as a serpent, gentle as a dove and not take it lying down.

    Dana (8ba2fb)

  121. Hasn’t the example of Nixon, who really gave them most everything they wanted in the domestic sphere, Ford who did much of the same, Bush Sr., who was convinced himself he had to ‘kinder and gentler’
    Dole, W, McCain, taught us anything, only those towering solons, Gore, Dean, and Kerry, are really
    excused from their manifold idiocies

    narciso (6075d0)

  122. The top 5 insane reactions to Palin’s speech

    This should be of interest to happyfeet.

    Some chump (e84e27)


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