Patterico's Pontifications

7/19/2010

Racism Within (Updated)

Filed under: Government,Race — DRJ @ 5:38 pm

[Guest post by DRJ]

Today Andrew Breitbart’s BigGovernment released a videotape of Obama appointee and U.S. Agriculture Department official Shirley Sherrod “regaling an NAACP audience with a story about how she withheld help to a white farmer facing bankruptcy:”

Sherrod has resigned.

Will House Majority Whip James Clyburn add Sherrod and the NAACP to his list of racists?

— DRJ

UPDATED: Shirley Sherrod says the White House forced her to resign, even though she claims the point of her story was racial reconciliation.

269 Responses to “Racism Within (Updated)”

  1. How arrogant and stupid do you have to be to say something like that in public.

    And, BTW: “He is superior to you, lady. He grows food to feed people while you’re just a fat-assed political appointee hog routing at the public trough.”

    nk (db4a41)

  2. “rooting”

    nk (db4a41)

  3. I believe the woman in question has resigned because her remarks were exposed…..

    gahrie (ed7a50)

  4. I think that there is a problem of definition. If justice means helping friends and harming enemies, and friends and enemies are identified by their race and fealty to their race, then this all makes perfect sense.

    Fritz (9c4a4d)

  5. “He is superior to you, lady. He grows food to feed people while you’re just a fat-assed political appointee hog routing at the public trough.”

    Good point.

    Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the farmer wasn’t being uppity at all, and was simply trying to save his livelihood. Can you imagine how frustrating it must have been for him? Racists are not nearly as clever as they think they are, and he probably understood exactly what she was doing, but had the good sense not to overtly call her out for it (that hardly ever works with these bureaucrats).

    I’ve experienced this paranoia myself, where if you try to have a reasonable argument with, I’m sorry to say, a black die hard lefty, they assume you’re trying to say you are inherently superior. Even if you go to lengths to express respect, it can be a real problem.

    And the reason is clear: race hustlers are feeding this paranoia to folks. Imagine how warped Sasha and Malia’s minds must be after week upon week of Jeremiah Wright!

    These government employees learned to act this way, to be sure their jobs are guaranteed regardless of performance, and to see the people they claim to serve as subjects. It’s time we stopped revering these parasites. This kind of work should not earn more than the median wage.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  6. I think videotapes and cellphones with cameras have made the world a better place.

    elissa (e825eb)

  7. she wakes up and greets
    the new day and by nightfall
    unemployment line

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  8. aint life trippy, bro?
    top of the world on Monday
    sh*theel come Tuesday

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  9. Imagine if a tea partier/conservative/Bush admin official had said the exact same thing.

    JD (b812d8)

  10. ian,

    That tweet sounds like Spencer Ackerman took Breitbart up on his $100K offer for JournoList info. Is that what you think?

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  11. If Spencer Ackerman had the evidence Breitbart had offered, wouldn’t he have offered it a long long long long long long long time ago?

    JD (b812d8)

  12. That one sure ran away quickly when exposed. Wow.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  13. I think Ackerman is quite a crank. Last I read him, he was comparing the Cordoba Mosque at the WTC attack site to a Christian church near the Branch Davidian massacre (the comparison would only work if it were a BATF Clubhouse at the Waco site).

    I think perhaps there’s something implicating him, rather than he actually being the whistleblower.

    In fact, in today’s era, I think the journalist that exposes Journolist would still have quite a career in the profession.

    We’ll see, but it definitely sounds as if DRJ is at worst half right, and Breitbart has some Journolist data to play with.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  14. Will Keith Olbermann report it? A litmus test for a real journalist no?

    pitchforkntorches (888cb1)

  15. That’s life that what the
    peeps say Georgia Ag Monday
    Vilsacked same day

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  16. she wakes up and greets
    the new day and by nightfall
    unemployment line

    Comment by ColonelHaiku — 7/19/2010 @ 6:34 pm

    LOL Always so satisfying to see a practicing racist of any background lose his/her job. Like SPQR, am only shocked it happened so fast.

    Wonder if she’s embarrassed, or just angry at being “forced out.” Why do I get the feeling this is nowhere near the end of this story…

    no one you know (63a16f)

  17. I cannot believe you guys watched that video and just could not understand it. The woman is speaking of an incident which opened her eyes that race doesn’t matter. The last lines of this heavily edited POS is that she realized color wasn’t important.

    Bretibart cost her her career for something she did in the freaking mid 80’s. He conveniently edited out the context of this story, but he forgot one crucial detail. Notice where she says that the story took place just after Chapter 12 bankruptcy was established for family farms? Andrew really should have edited that out. You know why? Chapter 12 was so established in 1986. What was Shirley Sherrod doing in 1986? She was running the New Communities black farm coop in Georgia. She was not employed by the government in any way.

    Some white farmer called a black coop looking for help. She helped him, but not as much as she “could” if, you know, he were a black farmer and thus would have some interest in the coop. They also gave farmers help restructuring their loans and whatnot, so she referred him to a lawyer who could help him, despite his condescending attitude.

    I should also note that the her coop and the associate RDLN recently won a $1 billion+ settlement for black farmers after they were systematically denied loans provided to white farmers in the early eighties (see Pigford v. Glickman).

    It is shocking to watch you guys follow this Breitbart assface no matter what he does. What he just did was destroy a woman’s public career by selectively editing a video. Nice work, Andy

    timb (8f04c0)

  18. Vilsacked: Vil*sacked; dismissal from employment by Secretary of Agriculture;
    from Old English vilsacc, from Latin villussaccus, from Greek vile sakkos,

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  19. Gosh, I sure hope you are right about all this, timb.

    But I invite you to consider all you say, from a white official to a black applicant. And if that white official was a registered Republican?

    Regardless of year.

    But I don’t want to have another timb battle.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  20. Comment by timb — 7/19/2010 @ 6:58 pm

    If that were true, one would think that she’d have explained herself, then, rather than just resigned. Wouldn’t you think? She also wouldn’t have been smiling and seeming almost to encourage the laughter of the audience. (That laughter was pretty damning too, come to think of it.)

    no one you know (63a16f)

  21. Comment by Eric Blair — 7/19/2010 @ 7:04 pm

    Great point.

    no one you know (63a16f)

  22. Eric, I find her viewpoint from the 1980’s to be pathetic. The story she told was about overcoming those views.

    Plus, and I don’t want to go too Rend Paul here, but, if she was working for a private coop in the ’80’s, which catered to its members, then she had every right to send a non-member of the coop to someone else who could help him. She wasn’t working in the government (check the link).

    Still, the irony of taking her story about how she overcame her racist views is then used to get her fired by a demagogue is just palpable. If Breitbart had a soul, he’d have trouble sleeping tonight

    timb (8f04c0)

  23. But I don’t want to have another timb battle

    Oh, and Eric, neither do I;) I figure Patrick is about as close to Breitbart as I can get.

    timb (8f04c0)

  24. timb was shocked
    SHOCKED! he say but not by
    the racist ag hag

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  25. Why did she resign if she was in the right?

    JD (b812d8)

  26. she resign because
    she realize no use in
    fighting with The Man

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  27. Her resignation will not change anything. In fact, I would be surprised if she weren’t back at work Monday morning.

    kansas (6c55e6)

  28. Who believes that this farmer was trying to establish that he was “superior” to this government troll? If all wasn’t in her hyper-active racist imagination, I would guess he was trying only to establish the facts and that he had dealt with his situation in as logical and rational a way as possible.

    This impression that people are trying to “be superior” to blacks is a cancer created by the need for “black activists” to restrict black persons to “their community.” Blacks live a self-segregated world.

    So digusted (2a71c0)

  29. Colonel Hiaku —

    She resign because
    She know cell phone recorded
    Racist speaks to same.

    So digusted (2a71c0)

  30. timb, I watched the video, saw her make the claim that it’s not about race, but about poverty, and then explicitly reject that to return to a racism approach to her job.

    I agree, it ends suddenly, but the case, that the NAACP crowd approved of racism, and that she committed an egregious injustice, isn’t disproven if there is a cut ending where she explains just how wrong she was (And I don’t think that really happened anyway).

    You give tremendous benefit of the doubt to a very corrupt and sick individual.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  31. I figure Patrick is about as close to Breitbart as I can get.

    Restraining order? Some people are really creepy.

    JD (b812d8)

  32. Background or not, that was a damning tape in my opinion. Pretty well disproves the line that only white people can be racist bigots with an axe to grind.

    Leonardo DaFinchi (8c0a12)

  33. Breitbart claims he doesn’t have any more of the tape than this, but wishes to get the rest. I think what he has is damning enough and timb’s apologia can’t possible save her from what she said. Even if she said ‘and that was wrong’ at the end, and ‘this was long ago’ at the beginning, the case is completely made, here.

    Just watch that audience, fed a steady diet of race hustle. These people are being brainwashed into racism.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  34. She is a hog sitting at the government trough–and “routing” memos from one place to another and otherwise not being productive.

    She kinda reminds me of the people I see in the DMV and other government bureacracies. You piss ’em off, and they can make life miserable for you. Then they go off to the corner and tell their friends, as Ms. Sherrod apparently did, how they “stuck it to that asshole cracker”. Well videotape caught this little cackle and now she’s out on the street–where she belongs.

    Mike Myers (3c9845)

  35. timb,

    I wouldn’t be surprised if the incident happened years ago because of the Chapter 12 reference. Nevertheless, Ms. Sherrod thought the story was so important that it was worth retelling in March 2010 as an Agriculture Department official. The point of her story wasn’t that she thinks it’s wrong to treat poor blacks and poor whites in different ways. If she actually felt that way, I don’t think she would have said this:

    “I figured if I took him to one of them, that they would take care of him. That’s when it was revealed to me that it’s about poor versus those who have. It’s not so much about white … it IS about white and black, but it’s not, you know, it opened my eyes. Because I took him to one of his own. I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farm land, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn’t give him the full force of what I could do.”

    The bottom line is Sherrod wanted to help poor blacks more than she wanted to help poor whites, and at that time (and possibly now) she also thought it’s right that people get more help from those of their own race. Doesn’t that seem racist to you?

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  36. DRJ, don’t distract timb, he’s spinning as fast as he can.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  37. The last lines of this heavily edited POS is that she realized color wasn’t important What he just did was destroy a woman’s public career by selectively editing a video.
    Comment by timb

    Speaking of selectively editing a video, maybe your computer glitched where she back-tracked on the described epiphany. She eventually said color was important, but whether some one was poor or rich mattered also.

    I don’t see the bumper stickers like I used to, but there were ones that said “Unless there is justice for all there is no justice at all”. That is true along with King’s content of character rather than color of skin.

    Whether the incident happened 20 years ago or not, her presentation of the situation is recent and she does not indicate her views have changed since then.

    In some ways I do have sympathy for her, she is saying what she’ been taught, what knows is accepted by the majority of those listening, just like when the former Mayor of Philly told the NAACP that “the brothers are in charge”; it’s just that she is taking the fall in order to forego that “serious discussion about race” that Holder and Obama talk about.

    MD in Philly (3d3f72)

  38. oh give me a break she had an epiphany Mr. Brietbart is kind of an asshole I think

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  39. The Anchoress wants to see the rest of the tape, and I think that’s a good idea. It does sound like she is about to make a point. What moral did Sherrod draw from her anecdote?

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  40. The Dems celebrated Robert Byrd (D-KKK) so why should this bother them? If she had such an epiphany, that opened her eyes to her disgusting actions and thoughts, why did she resign?

    JD (b812d8)

  41. Mr. Brietbart is kind of an asshole I think

    Comment by happyfeet

    Well, he’s my kind of asshole. Just putting information out there. remember, the NAACP was casting the racism stones. This is purely rebuttal of their supreme moral authority. And they have none, if they are happy with this kind of flagrant bigotry.

    I honestly hope you’re right about the epiphany. Her soul isn’t worth the little partisan point here, and she was expressing a pretty damn severe act of racism for the modern age.

    But it seems to me she considered the epiphany and decided to just let ‘whites’ help ‘their own’.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  42. I agree with the Anchoress for once for reals… and I think part of it is just… these days it’s a horrible horrible thing for someone to lose their job more than usual even if she is a dirty socialist I don’t think I can say from that clip that she’s a racist dirty socialist.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  43. Mr. Feet, you have an unusual definition of “asshole.”

    Me, I’m waiting tom see what this is about:

    http://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/statuses/18952230197

    For those of you who read SF, Mr. Breitbart is Simon Jester.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  44. DRJ, I understand what you are saying, but ask yourself what folks would say in the reversed situation. We need to recognize racism without this alphabetism that has infected our society.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  45. happyfeet – How can you call that anything but racism?

    “I figured if I took him to one of them, that they would take care of him. That’s when it was revealed to me that it’s about poor versus those who have. It’s not so much about white … it IS about white and black, but it’s not, you know, it opened my eyes. Because I took him to one of his own. I was struggling with the fact that so many black people had lost their farm land, and here I was faced with having to help a white person save their land. So I didn’t give him the full force of what I could do.”

    JD (b812d8)

  46. I get where you’re coming from Happyfeet. I agree with the Anchoress too (and said as much in that comment thread).

    The tape ends abruptly while she still appears to be on this topic, so it at least appears to be missing all the context. I honestly hope you’re right about her, but I think the way she bounced back and forth and settle on racism makes it hard to imagine her again bouncing to mere financial class warfare.

    Breitbart says he doesn’t have the whole tape. I think perhaps the ‘helpful’ person who cut it did not know what they were doing. And really, the case is still made that the NAACP is a lot more racist than the Tea Party.

    I cannot imagine someone saying this kind of crap at a Tea Party without extremely hostile booing the instant they boasted and grinned about racial oppression.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  47. I hope she had an epiphany. I sincerely do. But sending the white farmer to a “one of his own kind” bankrupcy attorney might not even have been necessary had she done as much for him as she could have (and admits to doing for others) through the agency.

    elissa (e825eb)

  48. oops, didn’t see that DRJ had beat me to the link. Same link.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  49. It might be racism but maybe this is a good time to say you know what that’s ok darlin we love you anyway.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  50. Mr. Feet, as soon as we get an apology for the DNC sponsored race-baiting.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  51. “i don’t have full video yet. but will release whole thing. how’s that?”

    From Breitbart’s Twitter. Have I mentioned that I can’t stand Twitter?

    Just sayin’ feets, that I don’t think Breitbart has done any assholery in this case. The video we get is nearly impossible to make right. Perhaps she’s a contrite but corrupt racist who has no business in power, but I doubt even that.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  52. The woman is speaking of an incident which opened her eyes that race doesn’t matter.

    I think you’re correct.

    Folks on the left tend not to be the best assessors of people and situations, and these type of controversies normally are corrupted by liberal spin. But based on the brief clip and this…

    Hotair.com, Allahpundit: I assume Breitbart’s edit is fair to the spirit of her remarks; if it isn’t, rest assured that Media Matters or whoever will produce the full tape of the event and demand to know why essential context was bowdlerized.

    …I can test my reaction when the shoe is on the other foot. And I find I don’t care for unfair, demagogic gameplaying, whether it’s from the left or right, and anything in between. That type of BS normally comes from liberals, so the matter of Shirley Sherrod perhaps is an unusual, uncommon turn of events.

    Watching the video also makes me puzzled — as I have been for years — why a rather large percentage of black America is closely aligned with a particular dialect that can be detected even over the phone (or when listening to a person through audio only). IOW, you can identify the racial background of a somewhat substantial percentage of African-Americans even without seeing the person in question.

    Differences in speech are more commonly rooted in people’s nationality. For instance, people of African ancestry born and raised in Britain pretty much have a British accent—at least to my ears. I’ve observed young kids originally from Asia (Korea or Japan) transplanted to the South who acquire a rather generic Southern (“hello, y’all!”) dialect. So the black American dialect is one of the peculiar quirks of this society.

    Mark (411533)

  53. I agree the NAACP was disgusting how it lied lied lied about the tea party being racist in any way shape or form but that’s a stupid group and this lady is a person.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  54. I look forward to a day when there is but one standard on these kinds of things, the same standard applied to the Right and the Left, the same standard applied to whites and blacks, the same standard applied to everyone, across the board.

    JD (b812d8)

  55. this lady is a person.

    Comment by happyfeet — 7/19/2010 @ 8:06 pm

    I respect where you’re coming from. Her life has probably been largely ruined, since she’s a powerful DC bureaucrat, and now she’s wearing that scarlet R for the rest of her career (or non-career).

    And all for a frank moment that you think could have been an attempt to explain why racism is wrong with a self implicating story meant as an example.

    It would be a shame if, when racist blacks try to explain the folly of hating whites, they were torn down for a little political game.

    On the other hand, the idea that she is actually doing this good thing … well, it seems to contradict what I see in this video. It ends abruptly, and that’s very suspicious, but either way, I don’t want this person in charge of any government anything.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  56. I look forward to a day when there is but one standard on these kinds of things,

    That will require a whole lot of common sense across various boundaries, both ideological and sociological. Unfortunately, there is a lack of some of that on the right–certainly among obsessively, neurotically pro-conformist ultra-conservatives. However, there is far more of a lack of common sense on the left. So varying degrees of distortion and crap will continue to crop up when matters of race and ethnicity come into play.

    Mark (411533)

  57. she’s probably no worse than any other of those SEIU patsy dirty socialist bureaucrat losers

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  58. It is a shame that the right doesn’t really have an objective news outlet to get its views out there.

    I realize what I’m saying is a contradictory, but very close to 100% of the outlets that would scrutinize the NAACP’s racism or various other conservative claims are extremely and openly opinionated. All the non-opinionated outlets, at best, boycott most of these stories (I realize ABC in New York is covering this too).

    Makes it hard, because it really shouldn’t be Breitbart’s job to do any more than make an intellectually honest argument against the NAACP’s attack in the Tea Party. And I think he’s done that yet there’s something else that needs to be done.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  59. Mark,

    One of my best friends in the world, an AA lady whom I originally met a number of years ago through work, was raised in Brooklyn. Over the phone she sounds exactly like—she is from Brooklyn! The hood dialect annoys her to no end and she is constantly bitching that she wishes “those kids” would speak proper English. (Of course, to her proper English comes with a heavy Brooklyn accent.

    elissa (e825eb)

  60. Over the phone she sounds exactly like—she is from Brooklyn!

    It’s funny you mention that because I know a black woman originally from the Northeast (I believe she also was raised in New York City) who I first became acquainted over the phone through work-related matters. She sounded like what I envisioned as a nice old “Jewish grandmother.” When I found out her full background (first via a photograph) I was very amused, quite happy that a stereotype — both coming and going — ended up smashed to bits.

    Mark (411533)

  61. Of course the real thing is that anyone in the political class thinks they can say such remarks to supporters without consequences.

    Personally, I would never stand before an audience and ridicule someone who came to me for help. regardless of my position. That’s not a race thing, that’s being a decent human being thing.

    Ag80 (363d6e)

  62. timb is always quick to see the nuance, especially when the racist is black. Great work timb.

    Mike K (0ef8c3)

  63. Mike K – What suggests that in your above comment, that skin color plays a larger role than party affiliation?

    JD (b812d8)

  64. So sorry must say
    happy feet deserve size thirteen
    wingtip up keister

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  65. Immediately getting rid of Sherrod is the smartest thing Obama could do under the circumstances. Delaying would play into Breitbart’s hands.

    With his ACORN exposes, Breitbart released just enough information to get a denial, then released more info to show the denial is false. I suspect the same is happening here. Keeping her in place would likewise prolong the PR pain and risk the MSM picking up the story.

    Brother Bradley J. Fikes, C.O.R. (fb9e90)

  66. My favorite comment via Instapundit.

    “The difference between the tea party and the naacp is if you are looking for racists at the tea party you look at the fringe and if you are looking for racists at the naacp you look to the stage.”

    Man, lesson to everyone: DO NOT PISS OFF ANDREW BRIETBART. Or poke at bee hives. Really, at this point, you would be smarter standing between a momma bear and her cub.

    Dustin

    > Though I wouldn’t be surprised if the farmer wasn’t being uppity at all,

    Or maybe he is trying to maintain his dignity. I mean he is coming to the government hat in hand. It’s a humiliation.

    But given her open racism you can’t trust anything in her account, except her confession of racism.

    The NAACP has been openly tolerant of racism for well over a decade. Its about time someone called them on it.

    > I’ve experienced this paranoia myself, where if you try to have a reasonable argument with, I’m sorry to say, a black die hard lefty, they assume you’re trying to say you are inherently superior.

    It reminds me of a story when growing up. There was this kid on my bus, we called him Fat Gary, and he and I had a long running disagreement. One day we were arguing and he said, “you don’t like me because I am black!”

    I said back, “don’t try that cop out with me. I don’t hate you because you are black. I hate you because you are an a—hole. I judge you not by the color of your skin but the content of your character. And you ain’t got no character.” Man that was one of my all time favorite put downs.

    > Imagine how warped Sasha and Malia’s minds must be after week upon week of Jeremiah Wright!

    And you know, the most vile thing about that whole thing. Obama’s mom was white. His grandparents who raised him were white. And yet he sat there and not only said nothing but even exposed his little girls. You know, last week I almost walked out of my church when the priest took a swipe at the death penalty, but that is nothing compared to teaching children to hate their own flesh and blood.

    There are only two explanations for that. Either, 1) Obama is actually a racist, or 2) he is such a craven politician that he will fill his children with hate just to gain the support of an important supporter.

    And neither one of those are what you would call a good option.

    Ian

    I am clapping and laughing at what that might portend. Thank God Brietbart uses his powers for good and not evil.

    But I agree, the more I think about it, the more I think he is saying he got the archive and is about to unleash hell, and the first target IS ackerman. But whatever it is, will be a beautiful thing.

    By the way, am I the only one who watches Brietbart in action and thinks of this scene in The Dark Knight? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfmkRi_tr9c

    Its that conundrum. Does he have a master plan. Or does he, as the joker says, just do things? Hard to say. (Hard to say if it was true of the joker, even.) He is either a master planner or a genius at mayhem, that is for sure.

    Timb

    Except that she still engaged in discrimination. I mean there is that. She didn’t go back and say, geez, sorry, let me do more.

    > She was not employed by the government in any way.

    The government was sending him to her, though, to see if she would treat him the same. She knew this was the test and she failed.

    Happy

    > his lady is a person.

    Yes, she is a member of the species homo sapiens. But not one of the better examples of it.

    And if you mean we should have compassion for her, I will point out that she will almost certainly land on her feet somewhere. I hear the NPP has an opening for its farming coop.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  67. That was just a chilling scene, AW, I’m convinced to get to that point, he had to go so deep it ultimately killed him

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  68. –this lady is a person–

    Comment by happyfeet — 7/19/2010 @ 8:06

    Meghan’s daddy is a person too, but you sure don’t give him the benefit of the doubt.

    Sarah Palin is a person too, but you sure don’t give her the benefit of the doubt.

    elissa (e825eb)

  69. Sarah Palin is absolutely not a person she’s a celebrity political spokesmodel and Meghan’s daddy is not a person he’s a a senator. People what are a person are include yourself, your third grade teacher, and Jared Padalecki.

    You want I can make you flash cards for to practice.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  70. I do not appreciate being accused of having compassion Mr. A.W. I just think she doesn’t rise to the level to where she warrants destroying and she may have done much much good in the world we just can’t tell from this clip.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  71. Hmmmmm.

    I wonder what happened to that farmer. His family. How bad did it get for him and his.

    And now to find out this even if only to have suspicions confirmed.

    memomachine (24fbc0)

  72. This doesn’t surprise me at all. This is the natural conclusion to a society that has not only allowed, but encouraged descrimination against white males. Trust me, being a white male means being discriminated against in every facet of public life from the day you start Kindergarten till the day you die and they have squeezed every last red cent out of you in favor of some other more favored group.

    Sapper (9fe2f5)

  73. happyfeet, sometimes I think you’re making fun of Palin haters, not Palin herself.

    Memomachine, I sorely hope to find out who this farmer is. DRJ pointed out that she made a reference to Chapter 12 bankruptcy being novel, so this happened during the Reagan administration and the poor soul she was ridiculing could very well be long gone.

    Worse, there could be many farmers who come forward, suspicious this happened to them. Anyone else remember the ‘black farmer’ settlements with the Dept of Agriculture? We could be in for another round of really ugly stories.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  74. I don’t know that she was ridiculing him exactly and honestly if she was she’s not very good at it.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  75. happy

    You know, this line really gets in my craw.

    > his lady is a person.

    SO WAS THE FARMER WHO NEEDED HER HELP!!! Now Ms. Sherrod will probably be just fine. i mean she might have to sell the summer home, but she will get by. That farmer might very well have lost his land.

    Let’s keep our sympathies where they belong.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  76. ian

    that might have been the case. hard to say with this sort of thing.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  77. ian

    Btw, in interviews nolan said that the idea they had with joker was that they were never going to explain him. they weren’t even going to try. he just IS. he is like a force of nature. which suggests trying to understand the character’s motivation is a waste of time. but that is an f—ing intense scene in a great movie.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  78. which suggests trying to understand the character’s motivation is a waste of time

    He’s white. He’s fighting the ‘dark’ knight. I think you can connect the dots.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  79. happy said:

    I don’t know that she was ridiculing him exactly and honestly if she was she’s not very good at it.

    Right you are on both counts. Perhaps, dismissing based on ignorance?

    You’re like the wind, nobody gets you.

    Keep changing.

    Ag80 (363d6e)

  80. btw, last post of the night.

    Brietbart is saying he is about to unleash some kind of hell. journolist related, or naacp related.

    Or… both?

    Or something else?

    [gets bowl of popcorn and gets ready to watch the whole thing unfold.]

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  81. oh, dang it, forgot the link:

    http://twitter.com/AndrewBreitbart/statuses/18952230197

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  82. I think I went through all the comments here, and I am surprised that no one has brought up a very important question: Do you think Ms. Sherrod resigned on her own volition, or was she yet another member of Obama’s Under the Bus Brigade? If, as has been postulated, there is some exculpatory evidence that Ms. Sherrod was telling this anecdote to set up her declaration of an “I love everyone of all races” epiphany, then it would seem that Rahm, Ax, and the Chicago Fixers done her wrong.

    JVW (a52530)

  83. jeez the farmer may have been apocryphal who knows really and even if he was a for real person there’s no telling but that he wasn’t a mean ugly person what beat his wife and had nasty gingivitis

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  84. I think that Mr. Feet likes to play contrarian from time to time, except when it comes to certain female politicians and John McCain.

    But it is sad that he didn’t have much concern for the farmer and what good he might have done.

    Maybe he should make some flash cards for himself before offering to do so for others. Just a thought.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  85. The motivation is as simple as Afred points out; ‘some people just like to see the world burn’ he’s
    some one like Ras Ghul, except the latter actuallyhas a plan to purify society, somewhat like Osama
    Bin Laden

    Now feets I really don’t understand the hatred save it for some like Princess Lindsay or Lisa Murkowski, who really thinks she can get drilling in Alaska if she votes for some form of cap n trade, or Scotch Brown who voted for that stupid crooks’ stew, Franken Dodd.

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  86. Apparently Spencer Ackerman was already changing jobs, so maybe Breitbart’s tweet was mixing apples and oranges and Ackerman has nothing to do with JournoList. Then again, maybe they are related. I guess we’ll see soon.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  87. A mean self important person who got some power and promptly abused it… but other than that… a person.

    Someone must know more about her than I do, because it seems like her life is gonna now descend back into poverty or something, when… for all I know, she’s got all kinds of skills out there in the private sector

    Frankly, she reminds me of the mean racist lady at the DMV who projects her stuff out onto people and then punishes them for the movie she’s playing in her head

    SteveG (11baba)

  88. I’m just saying the actual things what we actually know about this lady and the farmer person don’t add up to very much really

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  89. That’s very true, except when you write things like “cancer hoochie” which made wonder about you. Oh well.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  90. and another thing the loser farmer going whining to the government for help was a failure, wasn’t he? Yes. He failed like a fail monkey what tried to climb a tree to get a tasty mango and fell on his little fail monkey head.

    I would note that loser market research people what fail fail fail don’t get to throw all dignity to the wind and crawl begging to the Office of Failed Loser Market Researchers for a special hand up

    no no no that’s not what the government is for and if it is then people like this lady are immutably regnant

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  91. Maybe he filed a Chapter 12 bankruptcy or got other advice that helped him save his farm.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  92. happyfeet, farming can be damn hard work and you really can’t be sure that this farmer was much of a loser.

    Fail fail fail… it’s easy to say these days as though it doesn’t take a lot of balls to decide you’re going to risk failure to make something out of the dirt.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  93. For a person who seems concerned about getting all the facts before making judgements, Mr. Feet appears to be full of…well, mangoes.

    And I like Mr. Feet most of the time. The “cancer hoochie” thing was too much for me, and the Palin and McCain bashing is pretty predictable. But he can be funny.

    You just can’t tell what or who will get his sympathy.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  94. we don’t need to be paying taxes for the dispensing of that sort of advice I don’t think and beyond that we can’t really afford to anymore… but the point is if you’re a silly enough person as to look to the federal government of this sad pitiful impecunious and incompetent little country for help or assistance or kindness or good advice then I think you deserve whatever you get

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  95. mangoes are in season! my thai friend says that the last mangoes of the season, they can be very bitter, so enjoy them while you can

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  96. Well, I can agree with that, happyfeet. No one should rely on this fed for anything.

    But sometimes life deals you a bad hand. Doesn’t hurt much to ask the idiots for help. And apparently, there was help available, but denied because it was for a different race. I wouldn’t take a handout either, but I don’t know how wrong it is to look down on someone who needs the help and takes it when it’s available.

    Also, my complaint is that she’s up there, recently, preaching this crap under the banner of of her federal title. She’s doing this in your name and my name and that really makes my feet unhappy.

    We really don’t know much about this farmer, but I hope he kept his farm.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  97. Don’t tell our esteemed SoS, she thinks Pakistani mangoes are the solution to the insurgency there or something

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  98. I hope he kept his farm too Farm Aid started in 1985 I remember talking to this lady in Chicago who went to the one last year in Missouri and I was kinda surprised Mr. Mellencamp was still at it

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  99. She better hope the folks at the unemployment office judge her by the color of her skin and not by the content of her character.

    stout77 (c2d8fe)

  100. Thank God for providing us this stupid bigot to give voice to the secret motif of the Obama administration. Secret no more.

    Kevin Stafford (abdb87)

  101. speaking of musics did we know that Mr. Flowers put out his first solo song at the end of June? Nobody tells me anything I had to learn it on youtube.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  102. So if she has only been in Govt since 2009, it stands to reasons she did it in a non profit capacity, sometime in the last 25 years, that makes it sound even worse

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  103. This is what happpens when people let people give other peoples money away to “certain” people

    Now we have “Dustin” actually making the case that people get dealt a bad hand and now become “certain” people

    And another magic edited Breitbart tape….

    more conservatism like this and I guess we can look forward to 6 more years of Democrats

    as if actually discovering the NAACP was racist

    wow, next women are different from men

    and in another expose

    cats and dogs – can we cross the divide

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  104. Mea culpa

    this video may be at least a partial explanation for her behavior.

    I’m not sure if this is as relevant, but I think it’s as sensible an explanation as any I’ve seen for why her racism is actually a sign of redemption.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  105. That second bit was new to Time magazine in 1990, I’m just saying.

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  106. “Now we have “Dustin” actually making the case that people get dealt a bad hand”

    You don’t think me llamo es Dustino?

    I don’t like handouts for failed farmers, but like I said, my main beef is that this racist is was an official in a government that’s supposed to represent me. And this sure as hell doesn’t represent my ideals at all.

    I’m not sure it’s going to surprise many people that I feel sorry for someone like this farmer though. I’m a pretty compassionate and amazing person.

    My mother named me happyfeet, but that handle was taken, so I pay homage to Rain Man with every comment I leave.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  107. #105…yep, and Mr. Breitbart will shortly be indicted. Or something. Sigh.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  108. hot water burn baby

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  109. Eric

    There is alot of good they could be doing out there – they just choose to go another path

    I dont know what is sadder – the fact that they do it or that people are weak minded enough to think that what they are doing is actually relevent to the issues of today

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  110. You know, I don’t mean to bicker with you, but surely you can see that when you write:

    “…There is alot of good they could be doing out there …”

    and then you spend a lot of time fulminating about Breitbart going to jail or being a bad person…

    Well, you don’t see the irony here?

    Just quit obsessing about him, and why not do some things you respect yourself?

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  111. Eric

    obsessing or observing – there is a difference

    and since this is a thread about Brietbarts tape I thought it was interesting that many people in the thread noticed another “magic” edit

    but thats okay, ruining people’s lives through a cut off tape is okay after all I can see more and more people just “wanting” to be on the side of those who deliberately wrong people just to show they can be just as nasty as the other side

    I cant think of a more effective recruiting tool than slander and distortion – which ironically was why this blog was actually even founded

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  112. Give it a rest, EPWJ. Please. You have gone off on many metaphorical tree limbs about Breitbart in the past, and been shown to be wrong. And that’s fine. You like to argue about it, but you don’t have a lot of supporters here or elsewhere (outside DU and Kos). You have to know that by now.

    It’s the same thing from you, each time. And the result is the same. You look like a kook on the subject.

    And given your history, you might stay away from terms like “slander” and in particular “distortion.”

    Actually, any time you want to enter into a bet about Breitbart without wriggling away when you were proven wrong, like the last time, please let us know. There are lots of folks here who want a piece of that easy money.

    But see, that is what you want me and others to do: argue with you endlessly.

    As for me, I’m getting some sleep. And here we all thought you would be gone all summer, away from internet access.

    Eric Blair (d7ba5c)

  113. Fisking the Comment by timb — 7/19/2010 @ 6:58 pm

    I cannot believe you guys watched that video and just could not understand it.
    — Forgive us. We’re all a bunch of apes reading philosophy.

    The woman is speaking of an incident which opened her eyes that race doesn’t matter.
    — The incident in question being: THE ONE IN WHICH SHE HERSELF DISCRIMINATED AGAINST ONE OF HER FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS BASED ON RACE.

    The last lines of this heavily edited POS is that she realized color wasn’t important.
    The last lines done by this heavily medicated POS have realized some freaky colors into being, man!
    Correct: she realized that blacks can discriminate against whites just as easily as the reverse.

    Bretibart cost her her career for something she did in the freaking mid 80’s.
    — The statute of limitations for bad behavior are What, now?

    He conveniently edited out the context of this story, but he forgot one crucial detail.
    — The Liberal spin? Thank God that he has YOU for an editor!

    Notice where she says that the story took place just after Chapter 12 bankruptcy was established for family farms?
    — Yes
    Andrew really should have edited that out.
    — Why?
    You know why?
    — I just asked you that. Now who’s not paying attention?
    Chapter 12 was so established in 1986.
    — Are you from The Valley? Like it was sooo established, dude!
    What was Shirley Sherrod doing in 1986?
    — I bet you’re about to tell us!
    She was running the New Communities black farm coop in Georgia.
    — Wow. The black farmers in Georgia only had one coop between them? That’s really po’!
    She was not employed by the government in any way.
    — Don’t you just hate it when you change careers and then your shady past comes back to haunt you?
    Some white farmer called a black coop looking for help.
    — Praise Jesus that he didn’t call a black “c@@n”; good luck getting any help then!

    She helped him, but not as much as she “could” if, you know, he were a black farmer and thus would have some interest in the coop.
    — It’s like out of state tuition rates, right? Less bang for the buck, so to speak.

    They also gave farmers help restructuring their loans and whatnot,
    — A black woman restructured my whatnot once . . . but I digress.
    so she referred him to a lawyer who could help him, despite his condescending attitude.
    — Blaming the victim. timmah is in a class all by himself (and yet was still voted “least likely”).
    I should also note that the her coop and the associate RDLN recently won a $1 billion+ settlement for black farmers after they were systematically denied loans provided to white farmers in the early eighties (see Pigford v. Glickman).
    — Why bother? I noted it on the day that it happened. Maybe we should renanme you “Hunt’s” . . . because you’re always playing catch-up.

    It is shocking to watch you guys follow this Breitbart assface no matter what he does.
    — It is NOT shocking to watch you once again parrot the predictable Media Matters spin/apologia spew.
    What he just did was destroy a woman’s public career by selectively editing a video. Nice work, Andy.
    — And the crickets chirp while we await the arrival of that slander/defamation lawsuit.

    Icy Texan (590c6e)

  114. The one good thing about this whole stramash is that the next time one of my knee-jerk anti-Bush colleagues says anything bad about Bush, I will be able to remind him that by NAACP standards, he’s a racist, cuz he’s black badmouthing a white Prez so it has to be cuz white Prez is white …

    Ya dig ?

    Alasdair (205079)

  115. Can’t say much–getting ready for work–but ian is right, someone has the journolist archives. but apparently its the daily caller.

    And I am right. Brietbart was saying Ackerman was toast because of what was in it.

    And it is bad.

    It makes the “hide the decline” email look innocent by comparison.

    I mean all it says is that Ackerman suggested that as a way to distract from Rev. Wright, they should just randomly call a conservative a racist.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  116. #63 Ag80:

    Personally, I would never stand before an audience and ridicule someone who came to me for help.

    That showed a lot of class, didn’t it.

    EW1(SG) (edc268)

  117. EricB

    In other words – its another magic edited tape

    I hear ya

    Look the Acorn tapes were great – for ABB its like the kid who wins the gold medal at 12 on the balance beam

    and then painfully watch them try to compete again at 16 at 20

    I guess when you are in the self promotional business – its a tough world

    Like I said – NAACP Racistsd? Really – I think just about everyone knew that before

    and now his only means of getting newsworthy stuff is to “bribe” people?

    He’s going to run out of cash

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  118. Okay I alluded to this earlier, now I have a few moments… Let’s start with the link:

    http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/20/documents-show-media-plotting-to-kill-stories-about-rev-jeremiah-wright/

    Also I think Brietbart is all up in this, at least with knowledge of the fresh hell that the Daily Caller has in store for them.

    But the money quote is in the third page. They were annoyed that Obama might be derailed by the Rev. Wright story, so that is when Spencer Ackerman decides to show his journalistic integrity:

    > If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

    You know, I am not shocked, I am not outraged. I am laughing at the sheer epic fail of it all. Either Ackerman is toast, or the paper he works for is.

    And that’s just a sample, a taste of what is there. seriously not only read the whole thing, but also keep an eye out for more.

    And I alluded to the climategate scandal a while back. Here’s another similarity. How many so-called journalists saw him say this and remained silent? How can they claim to be impartial while watching someone else do this?

    I am a lawyer and in the legal profession we are specifically required to report misconduct by other lawyers. I work with a lot of nurses and they have a similar ethical obligation, only its not spelled out as it is with lawyers (because only lawyers need it spelled out). So doesn’t ethical journalism require you to report on this kind of misconduct? Or do you want to say that the ethics of journalism is below that of lawyers?

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  119. Well he has united the country, AW, in an ironic sense, but as the line goes ‘things I might have been made aware, yesterday’ They abetted this fraud’s rise, and they did it through the email equivalent of Fight Club, Kim, one of the complainers, packaged that pack of lies called “Going Rouge” Schaller, Drum, the whole den of
    ‘scum and villainy’ just like with why the attack on Palin, six months later, the effort to pump up the Global Warming scam, this is the journalistic equvalent of the subprime debacle, they sold junk
    as legitimate news

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  120. EricPW – Has Breitbart been indicted yet?

    JD (047c15)

  121. I do not endorse a Popular Front, nor do I think you need to. It’s not necessary to jump to Wright-qua-Wright’s defense. What is necessary is to raise the cost on the right of going after the left. In other words, find a rightwinger’s [sic] and smash it through a plate-glass window. Take a snapshot of the bleeding mess and send it out in a Christmas card to let the right know that it needs to live in a state of constant fear. Obviously I mean this rhetorically.

    And I think this threads the needle. If the right forces us all to either defend Wright or tear him down, no matter what we choose, we lose the game they’ve put upon us. Instead, take one of them — Fred Barnes, Karl Rove, who cares — and call them racists. Ask: why do they have such a deep-seated problem with a black politician who unites the country? What lurks behind those problems? This makes *them* sputter with rage, which in turn leads to overreaction and self-destruction.

    JD (047c15)

  122. Just posted on that. Just now.

    Patterico (c218bd)

  123. ian

    You know I actually saw a judge in a case cite that line from The Wedding Singer. “Once again, things you could have told me YESTERDAY.” lol

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  124. Patterico

    comments are broken on the new post, fyi. i got a 404 error, weirdly.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  125. That dailycaller piece covers a lot of ground. Patterico rightly points out that the objections to Ackerman’s RACISMS were based on effectiveness, not objecting to the inherent dishonesty and mendoucheity of what was being proposed to the MFM people trying to manipulate the message. Pollit’s quote highlights how willingly the MFM abandons ideals and principles in favor of party affiliation, by highlighting their actions under Clinton. And this is just the first in a series.

    JD (047c15)

  126. I think that might have been from “Billy Madison”
    it is intriguing to see how the hive mind works in
    their natural environment

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  127. Ian

    Totally the wedding singer: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120888/quotes

    I am kind of an encyclopedia of useless information. :-)

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  128. As for journolist, I think this is a job for Colonel Haiku.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  129. I think the judge cited the Billy Madison line, isn’t curious how they called them the journolist,
    not actually journalist, but could pass for one

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  130. since i can’t post on the journolist thread, let me say it here.

    i think althouse is correct to highlight this line from the same Daily Caller story:

    > I hear you. but I am really tired of defending the indefensible. The people who attacked Clinton on Monica were prissy and ridiculous, but let me tell you it was no fun, as a feminist and a woman, waving aside as politically irrelevant and part of the vast rightwing conspiracy Paula, Monica, Kathleen, Juanita,” [The Nation’s Katha] Pollitt said.

    http://althouse.blogspot.com/2010/07/secret-pain-of-feminist-katha-pollitt.html

    As i say in her comments, its not much different, though, from the al Gore allegations where one woman says to her, more or less, maybe you should take one for the team, since Gore will be saving the planet and all.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  131. spencer ackerman
    the funny name which will live
    on in infamy

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  132. Haiku wingtip need
    garage happy feet back that
    rig up over here

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  133. I’m late to the party and 130 comments is too much for me today.

    Don’t cry for the recently unemployed Shirley Sharrod. She may no longer be welcome at the USDA, but she’d fit right in at the DOJ.

    ropelight (481e69)

  134. institutional
    racists and the one party
    media make tough

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  135. btw, i wrote up my deeper thoughts on this, here: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/07/banality-of-bias.html

    I call it “The banality of bias.”

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  136. In this story, who are the poor and who are “those who have?” The white farmer was going bankrupt… was he one of the poor? Why not? As far as I can tell, in this scenario, she was one of “those who have.”

    I notice that, like all racists, she is a mind reader.

    I infer by her words and actions that she views it as her job to right wrongs of the past – to even the score of blacks and whites who have lost their farms. Was that part of the job description?

    Was she dealing with government money in her role as an employee of the black coop. Why was tax money dispensed on basis of race?

    quasimodo (4af144)

  137. The bottom line is Sherrod wanted to help poor blacks more than she wanted to help poor whites, and at that time (and possibly now) she also thought it’s right that people get more help from those of their own race. Doesn’t that seem racist to you?

    Sure, if she weren’t working for a coop of African-American farmers it would be wrong. Still, she helped the gentleman and realized her errors and went on to various posts where she helped all farmers (or don’t people click on links to press releases about careers?)

    Face it, DRJ, you bit hook line and sinker on a real demagogue, who destroyed a woman for sport. you guys should take Andy’s videos with a grain of salt until he provides unedited copies. Frankly, the very notion Dustin expressed (Lil’ Andy is tryin’ to get the whole thing) is ludicrous. How did he get this much 4 months later if he doesn’t know the people with the whole tape?

    timb (449046)

  138. the poor white farmer
    the racist black bureaucrat
    where Rodney King now?

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  139. Some white farmer called a black coop looking for help.
    – Praise Jesus that he didn’t call a black “c@@n”; good luck getting any help then!

    So, Mark Williams writes under the pseudonym “Icy Texan” here? Just wow

    timb (449046)

  140. If timb is correct, then the worst thing the lady is guilty of is of not being a good orator, specifically at not being good about soundbites that somebody could edit to make her look bad.

    I would like to see the unedited tape, too.

    nk (db4a41)

  141. timb, you’re really stretching.

    DRJ is basing her comment on the facts of this video. You’re basing your comments on what? What proof do you have that she eventually was willing to help whites just as much as blacks?

    This tape wasn’t 20 years old. It was made this year, and she is obviously happy and grinning like a cat about what she did.

    You seem to think it wasn’t even wrong in the first place. Is partisanship the reason for that? Do you believe in segregation?

    “. Frankly, the very notion Dustin expressed (Lil’ Andy is tryin’ to get the whole thing) is ludicrous. ”

    I realize that you probably believed the Boehlert type spin that Breitbart isn’t trustworthy, but he’s very consistent in telling the truth. He says he doesn’t have the rest of the tape, and I don’t think the rest of the tape is likely to help him much. There are various explanations for the abrupt ending, but I saw that crowd happy with racism. I saw the speaker happy with her racism. This idea that she was about to repudiate it is based on a morality that probably isn’t compatible with her worldview. It sounds nice, but it probably didn’t happen.

    And you know what? It doesn’t matter that much. If she is sorry for being a horrible racist, she still should have lost her job and been a complete pariah. You claim Breitbart and DRJ and others helped destroy a woman.

    She destroyed herself. As soon as she admitted to what she did, no amount of ‘I am sorry’ would fix it. The reason she hasn’t offered your spin is that your spin isn’t the truth and it wouldn’t matter. ‘I’m sorry’ isn’t good enough to trust her with a senior office.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  142. tim timmah tim tim
    timmah tim tim tim cherry
    straw that stir toilet

    ColonelHaiku (26e9b5)

  143. If timb is correct, then the worst thing the lady is guilty of is of not being a good orator

    I disagree. If timb is correct, she still did everything that she said she did and certainly should have lost her job and is extremely untrustworthy. The crowd there support a vicious segregation and are racist.

    but she said she was sorry.

    Some problems you cannot talk your way out of. People who say they are going to send whites in need to ‘their own kind’ for help, when they could help, are people who should be fired.

    It’s not Breitbart’s fault she was fired.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  144. Feets, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. The Dems have been playing this game for so long that it’s become ingrained in the MFM – but now the opposition has the tools available to fight fire with fire. The end result is that anyone screaming racism in the near future is going to look the part of the fool, and be held in contempt.

    After all, we’re supposed to be a “post – racial” society now, correct? This POTUS has done nothing but inflame the issue beyond all recognition. He and his party are sowing what they’ve so assiduously tried to reap. So be it.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  145. You know, once, I saw some black kids who were hungry. I had a lot of food, but it was for white people, so I went to my party and we ate up. (pause for laughter from audience) On the way out the door, I saw another black person, and told him to go feed those kids down the street because they were his kind. (pause for laughter from audience)

    Oh, and I’m sorry. That was wrong of me. I probably should just feed the hungry from now on.

    Now, would you please hire me to run the department of free food?

    Oh, what’s that? You found someone with more integrity that they don’t need to apologize for this kind of crap because they always understand not to be a racist?

    Huh.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  146. The URL for the Jounolist Leak post is different. The hyphens may have caused a problem, but also, instead of ending with /#comments like this and all the other comment URLs, it ends with /#respond (and there is no correct page hiding if you change the hyphens and suffix).

    I think the post could be deleted and repost without the quote’s hyphens if it’s important to get that post commenting.

    It’s a huge story. From my POV, one of the largest stories on journalism I’ve ever seen. Thousands of so-called objective journalists were aware of this thread and did not report on it (even if they didn’t actually make a comment in the thread). That’s amazing.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  147. Some people are entitled to be held to different standards.

    JD (ffe6ea)

  148. THIS is the best her organization could do in sending someone to speak to a group? I am appauled at the words that publicly came out of this thing’s mouth. Perhaps she can preach her stuff those standing in the unemployment line wit her.

    Hawkeye (6dd6dc)

  149. Exactly, JD.

    I’m being told I’m actually WRONG to be upset with this obvious group of racists (Sherrod was hardly the only asshole in that video).

    And if it were Bush or Rove speaking about how they were a vicious anti black racist, and later they defend their comments saying they eventually were friends with the victim of their bigotry, I don’t think the right would be screaming how WRONG it is to condemn the hate.

    She resigned/was fired by Obama because what we saw cannot be made right just because (and if) she later stopped being a bigot.

    This is a perfect response to the packs of monsters screaming about the Tea Party’s dog whistle racism. You see REAL racism, and we’re told to forgive it by the people who were quick to judge imaginary racism.

    So, I guess this means you guys can finally acknowledge that Robert Stacy McCain is a racist too? You know, since he too believes blacks should not marry whites and he too is fascinated with racial purity and all?

    What? Your moral objection to people opposing miscegenation is based upon the color of skin of the person holding the opinion? How wonderfully consistent of you.

    Comment by timb

    I don’t care about the RSM issue, but look at how timb is willing to leap to ‘racism’ (present tense) about a past issue that is a lot murkier than this example.

    And then he lectures us to be consistent.

    Well, timb: this lady showed tremendous racism that she acted on. You should be consistent.

    But she’s a democrat, so you spin spin spin spin spin.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  150. Um. Hey timb, it sure looked like you called Icy Texan a racist upthread. Better apologize. I have seen people banned for that here, and so have you.

    Eric Blair (aad7c1)

  151. Mr. DMAC I’m just saying the old black southern lady didn’t get hounded out of her job in my name if we’re keeping track

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  152. I always give you all caps like GMAC I don’t know why I do that

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  153. Fair enough, Feets. And GMAC used to be a credible arm of the now – Governmental Motors. Blech.

    Dmac (d61c0d)

  154. I am just shocked that the man who said, “White folks greed runs a world in need” would fire this woman for speaking her mind here.

    Have Blue (854a6e)

  155. I know that all black people aren’t racists, almost all the blacks I meet in daily life aren’t racists, same goes for whites too.

    None of the few blacks I’ve met at TEA Parties are racists, and only about half of the black writers I read are racists, and occasionally I even see a few blacks who aren’t racists on TV, mostly on the Hannity and the Glenn Beck shows, but other than that, too many blacks on TV strike me as unrepentant racists, especially the actors, the preachers, and the politians, but not as many as in the establishment media, the racists have that profession pretty much nailed down.

    The Obama Administration too seems chock full of racists of all colors and stripes, especially in the White House and in the Executive Office Building, and in Congress, not only the elected representatives, but also at the staff level, and in the federal agencies too. Not all of them by any means, but a much higher proportion than in the general population, say 250 times as many.

    I don’t know why so many racists are attracted to government work, the media, Hollywood, and the pulpit, but those activities sure bring them out into the open.

    ropelight (481e69)

  156. I updated the post.

    timb – I’d like to hear the rest of Sherrod’s remarks and I’m willing to assume her story was a message of racial reconciliation, as she claims. Nevertheless, she admitted either the federal or state government sent the white farmer to her for help and she limited her assistance simply because he was white. That’s racist, and it’s no excuse that it happened 20+ years ago.

    DRJ (d43dcd)

  157. Timb

    First, I am just wondering, are you this commenter over at LGF? Or are you ripping him or her off?

    http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36779_Breitbart_Utterly_Destroys_Something

    As for your claim that worked for the “New Communities black farm coop,” um, where are you getting that from? In fact your link doesn’t mention your coop, but instead states that “Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund since 1985 as the organization’s Director of the Georgia State Office.”

    Gee, nothing explicitly racial in that.

    Also if you go to their main page, here: http://www.federationsoutherncoop.com/

    You will see that it is tax exempt non profit. Now under the tax code, no organization that practices racial discrimination is eligible for tax exempt status. Bob Jones University learned the hard way. So while she was not a part of the federal government she was legally required not to engage in discrimination or risk that status.

    > Still, she helped the gentleman

    Best I can tell, she helped the man find a white guy who gives a sh-t. She certainly didn’t give equal treatment.

    And I find it hilarious to watch you continue to defend it when she herself didn’t. I mean remember when John Kerry was testifying before congress saying (paraphrase) “how do you ask the last soldier to die for a mistake?” You are that last soldier, apparently. Sucker!

    Dustin

    be careful making satire. Democrats get confused by this stuff and think you are serious. Look at Williams.

    That being said, sorry, but RSM saying you don’t want your kid marrying a black person is racism. You are judging not according to the content of the possible in-law’s character, but by the color of his/her skin.

    I am surprised that LGF is actually right about something, for once, but there you go.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  158. I’m hoping timb will respond to A.W.’ last post.

    quasimodo (4af144)

  159. My apologies to all involved, I cut off part of my quote from the coop website so its hard to decipher what I am saying… The fuller quote: “Sherrod had worked with Federation of Southern Cooperatives/Land Assistance Fund since 1985 as the organization’s Director of the Georgia State Office.”

    So point is that who she was working for in 1986. Incidentally while chapter 12 was passed in 1986, it didn’t go into effect until November of that years, so its very likely that she might have been dealing with this farmer in 1987. Which doesn’t change anything as far as I can tell, but I am a nitpicker at times.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  160. AW, it’s not my intent to discuss RSM (I agree with you on this, but I’m not trying to bring that up). It’s clear to me that his case was far murkier than this one, relying on some nature claim (I don’t mean to defend his comment) and yet Timb was calling him present tense racist and outraged that we’re calling out a more obvious and overt racist.

    So his cries for consistency seem awfully partisan.

    You state the case much more eloquently.

    I have great difficulty understanding why anyone would defend this woman’s behavior. Even if she’s super duper sorry, of course she should resign and the NAACP should stop condemning other organizations for what it is far more guilty of.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  161. First, I don’t know about you guys but I feel like a little kid before Christmas eve, hardly able to stand the suspense. Seriously, what is Mr. Breitbart and/or the Daily Caller going to leave under my tree tomorrow? Its like seeing a really big box under the tree, having no idea what it might be, while knowing that something this big HAS to be really cool, but also knowing you HAVE to wait.

    Oh, please, don’t let it be a sweater. Or corduroy pants. I got way too many corduroy pants as a kid.

    Dustin

    RSM is not murky at all to me, but certainly the subject is this idiot in front of the NAACP. And the NAACP that doesn’t bother to denounce the New Black Panthers and the Nation of Islam. I mean seriously, have you actually read what the Nation of Islam believes. Its not just racist, but crazy racist. I mean we are talking scientology crazy. I mean I know most faiths look a little ridiculous to non-adherents. I am sure non-Christians go, “he walked on water? Give me a break!” But this is on a level really far beyond the usual incredibility in faith.

    The whole thing is so depressing. I used to respect the NAACP. And I still consider people like Thurgood Marshall to have been heroes, especially on the road to Brown v. Board of Ed. I don’t know the full biography of the man, but I would bet you good money the KKK has made at least one attempt to kill him. That was the nature of the work he did back then.

    And despite the name, it really was against all discrimination, not just about the advancement of “people of color.” But at some point they clearly lost their way.

    They think denouncing her clenses their hands. They gave her a f—ing award, okay? and the video is actually from 2007 if memory serves. They have had plenty of time to clean house, if anyone noticed anything wrong in what she said and did. but they didn’t. and that is the crime.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  162. Dustin

    RSM is not murky at all to me,

    Me neither, but if Timb found the racism there (I did too, but I am very hesitant to discuss it because, basically, I think the topic gets me too riled up) timb obviously should be able to see it with Sherrod.

    I’d like to be excited about this Journolist and NAACP expose stuff, but I was actually kinda hoping that I was totally wrong about my fears of bigots and shills conspiring to ruin journalism for mere democrat election hopes. I’d rather be a paranoid kook than realize this is what journalism is all about these days.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  163. THe farmer she handed off for orderly bankruptcy must need a job. I think he has the understanding and compassion to do her ex job much better than she ever did it.

    dunce (c5cd86)

  164. dunce, my understanding is that the farmer, Roger Spooner of Iron City, Ga, is dead.

    I actually do not trust that this is the actual farmer she was going on about. I certainly do not accept that she became deep friends with him. Perhaps I’m totally wrong, but I see very little sorrow in the way she tells her story and suspect this is similar to the ACORN nutcases who denied denied denied until nailed to the wall.

    There’s basically nothing bolstering the denial (in this case, the redemption), but it works with many anyway. Even if I grant it, arguendo, she still should have lost her job and the NAACP today wallows far beneath the Tea Party on the matter of tolerance.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  165. Dustin

    yeah, i think the tone is a big part of what is wrong here.

    Like imagine she said this:

    “I have a confession to make. There was a time when a white farmer came to me for aid. And yeah, maybe he was pretending to be superior to me, but he needed my help. And because he was white and because he was being uppity, I didn’t do all I could. Yeah eventually I got him to a white lawyer and I hope that lawyer gave him all the help he needed, but I could have done more and I didn’t because of his race.”

    If she said that, I wouldn’t have come down on her.

    But instead she is like, “oh it was so funny when I screwed over this farmer…” yeah later she vaguely, maybe, dials it back. but there was no sense she actually felt the least bit bad about it.

    And if that is not racism, in some ways that is worse, because then that means everyone is equally treated like dirt by her.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  166. GREAT point, AW,

    why in the hell was she going on and on about how this white farmer was acting superior (with no real explanation of how she’s sure he was doing this?). How could that possibly fit into her current claim that she was explaining how she had done this man a huge an unacceptable wrong?

    Of course, if she’s saying she racistly screwed over a needy man, she can’t also say his superiority was unjustified. It just wouldn’t make sense.

    This reminds me so much of those ACORN nuts who denied the whole story, saying the ‘truth’ was left on the editor’s floor. What we see is damning no matter what was edited out, but there’s no reason to trust these claims of vindicating segments anyway.

    Seems convenient that the farmer’s dead and her explanation is extremely vague about a story she probably told 100 times over 20 years.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  167. So, I took him to a white lawyer that had attended some of the training that we had provided because Chapter 12 bankruptcy had just been enacted for the family farm. So I figured if I take him to one of them that his own kind would take care of him. “His own kind”? That alone is enough for termination. Imagine this scenario. A white public official greets an African American by saying, “Just have a seat, sir, while I get one of your own kind to help you”.

    jimboster (fe0b27)

  168. Wonder how it feels to get the same treatment Republicans and Tea Partiers get? Especially when they plant democrats dressed as racists in the crowd.

    kansas (7b4374)

  169. Evidently her and the Spooners became good friends after she helped them. Oh, sorry – didn’t mean to spoil your rants.

    Please, just ignore this inconvenient fact.

    JEA (0ccd61)

  170. #

    Evidently her and the Spooners became good friends after she helped them. Oh, sorry – didn’t mean to spoil your rants.

    Please, just ignore this inconvenient fact.

    How is this an inconvenient fact?

    How is it even a fact?

    She’s on tape admitting to massive corruption. The Wash. Examiner has more, showing this corruption continued to higher levels and much bigger problems (billion dollar legal issues).

    She’s a corrupt racist. You can’t work around it.

    She claims this farmer was Spooner. I bet she’s lying. She claims they were great friends, but he’s dead, so it’s a… well, hard to get corroboration.

    That’s a red herring. We need on the tape what the fiber of her fabric is. She’s a KKK member, at least with regard to the content of her character.

    you say ‘evidently’ like you have EVIDENCE. What’s your evidence? The behavior she admits to is extremely dishonest, so I hope you’re not relying on what she said.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  171. JEA approves of the racisms. Denounced and condemned.

    JD (5375e6)

  172. I’m tending to think that she did the right thing at the time — helping a white farmer in trouble even though he was not in the black farmer coop –but was playing to the crowd at the NAACP when she gave her speech by saying things that would make her one of “them”.

    I really would like to see the unedited video.

    nk (db4a41)

  173. JEA

    Which is why she is chuckling about her cruelty, rather than being apologetic. By the way, do you have a citation for that claim?

    But hey, remember the time you were about to lose your home and livelihood and I didn’t give a sh– because you are an uppity cracker? Good times, good times.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  174. I’m tending to think that she did the right thing at the time — helping a white farmer in trouble even though he was not in the black farmer coop –but was playing to the crowd at the NAACP when she gave her speech by saying things that would make her one of “them”.

    I really would like to see the unedited video.

    You’re an optimist, nk.

    I would love it if the NAACP released the tape. I suspect, at least, that they taped this speech, since they tend to do that. Breitbart claims (and I believe him) to have released all he has access to. It’s an abrupt end that is going to leave many people wondering what’s not shown.

    Anyway, you’re saying she helped the farmer despite saying she didn’t. Isn’t that a radical interpretation?

    She’s not sorry for what she did. She’s demonizing this farmer and crowing. If she rejects that attitude, it must be an extremely disjointed speech.

    The NAACP and Obama are right: even if her claims of being sorry are accurate, what she admits to is enough to render her unfit for her responsibilities. I think we’re going to learn that she was corrupt to a greater degree than this.

    NK, you come across as having had a lengthy career. Did you do anything like this 20 years ago? I don’t think you did. This goes too far into the core of one’s character.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  175. It is hilarious to see the spinners show their hypocrisy and double standards are what is “racism”.

    But more to the point, if her remarks are so easily xplained why did you resign the same day?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  176. Also, many extreme racists can cite an example of a member of the group they hate that they were friends with.

    I am surprised Sherrod bothered to resurrect that old argument.

    She said she could have helped him, but that she (sneering grin) didn’t do all she could have done because she thinks he was acting uppity and he’s so white. So I’m rejecting the black coop excuse. She could have helped him, and would have, but discriminated.

    This mythical video that shows she’s trustworthy with senior leadership is never going to show up. It’s like that ACORN nutcase who wanted to help import sex slave kids or hide the pimp profits from the IRS. Breitbart can’t prove this negative, but he doesn’t need to.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  177. SPQR – What constitutes racsims apparently depends on the person speaking/acting.

    JD (5375e6)

  178. There is much more at a link to a Washington Examiner article posted by Glen Reynolds … the pot thickens

    quasimodo (4af144)

  179. TPM:

    “In 1986, at the time of the incident, Sherrod worked for the Federation of Southern Cooperative/Land Assistance Fund, a job she held until she was appointed to the USDA last year.

    Sherrod identified the white farmer as Roger Spooner. CNN today interviewed his wife, Eloise Spooner, who said Sherrod had helped her and her husband save their farm.”

    http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/07/usda_appointee_forced_to_resign_after_discussing_r.php

    Again, really sorry to disrupt the narrative with such intrusive facts.

    JEA (0ccd61)

  180. Eloise Spooner’s story is not compatible with this video.

    I think Sherrod had a friend who was white, and she’s pretending that’s who she was talking about in this video. She is quite clear that she didn’t refer this farmer to a black lawyer (Eloise says she did). She’s quite clear that she didn’t help him, but left him to white people to help. The stories are similar in that there is a farmer who needed help. For someone in Sherrod’s work, that’s meaningless similarity. Every other aspect conflicts.

    Sherrod is looking more and more corrupt by the hour. This video isn’t even the really serious aspect. The way the Obama administration hired her is much more disturbing.

    But the actual farmers she refused to help, however many and whoever they are, is not proven. JEA is telling us to trust Sherrod. I don’t.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  181. OMG, the story has actually gotten worse.

    Go here: http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/Examiner-Opinion-Zone/Shirley-Sherrods-Disappearing-Act-Not-So-Fast-98846149.html

    So apparently she led this collective to sue on behalf of black farmers to get justice for them.

    The case was captioned “Pigford v. Vilsack.” Okay, lets get all the laugher about how it sounds like about Pig v. Sack out of the way, because sh– is about to get real.

    Okay, so Vilsack is the named party. That would be the same Vilsack who appointed her to a cushy federal job. He would also be the one to decide specifically what to do about this suit.

    So look at this line: “New Communities is due to receive approximately $13 million ($8,247,560 for loss of land and $4,241,602 for loss of income; plus $150,000 each to Shirley and Charles for pain and suffering).”

    Shirley is Shirley Sherrod. And Charles? That would be her husband. So all told she made $300,000 because as director of this organization they suffered “pain and suffering.” Then after suing Vilsack, he then hired her to be a federal employee. You know in the kind of job she claimed to have endless job security.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  182. JEA approves of the racisms. If she was so noble, JEA, why did she resign?

    JD (5375e6)

  183. Again, really sorry to disrupt the narrative with such intrusive facts.

    Comment by JEA

    So she lied to please an audience of racists and you think that is something to be proud of ?

    Mike K (0ef8c3)

  184. NK, you come across as having had a lengthy career. Did you do anything like this 20 years ago? I don’t think you did. This goes too far into the core of one’s character.

    Comment by Dustin — 7/20/2010 @ 12:43 pm

    Well, no. I took part in the defense of death penalty prosecutions of black people pro bono. But please don’t tell anyone. 😉

    nk (db4a41)

  185. Mike K – I guess we are supposed to be happy that she only made herself out to be a racist to gain approval from the NAACP audience.

    JD (5375e6)

  186. Mike K – I guess we are supposed to be happy that she only made herself out to be a racist to gain approval from the NAACP audience.

    Comment by JD — 7/20/2010 @ 1:06 pm

    I agree. You should behave better than your nature, not worse.

    nk (db4a41)

  187. Well, no. I took part in the defense of death penalty prosecutions of black people pro bono. But please don’t tell anyone. 😉

    Comment by nk ?

    That sounds like very tough work, and I am sure very honorable work.

    Mike K has a good reaction: Someone is lying, either Spooner or Sherrod. Their stories just don’t match.

    If Sherrod was making up this horrible tale, is that because of the nature of the NAACP audience? Why did some of them like the ugliest aspects of this story the most? Out of the hundreds of blacks I’ve met, maybe one or two would have acted like that. This is an organization that is sick.

    But I just don’t buy this account from Spooner being about the same farmer. It’s extremely ideal, and that’s strange, given how much the farmer is demonized in the video.

    Remember, Sherrod probably encountered hundreds of white farmers over the years, and even a racist person often befriends a couple of people of the hated group.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  188. well, first I posted on the bombshell kickback story, here: http://allergic2bull.blogspot.com/2010/07/next-shoe-drops-for-shirley-sherrod.html

    Of course I did nothing to break it, just followed some links, but fyi.

    As for the spooner story, well, let’s see here. Maybe she is lying about mistreating them. maybe she did mistreat a white farmer, but not them. or maybe this is the truth: to this day, the spooners didn’t know how she screwed them over.

    But go on explaining why she fell on her sword from shame but was still innocent. Its funny to watch.

    And really its not Sherrod that is the issue. It’s the NAACP that had no problem with her telling this story.

    I mean imagine this scenario. There is a tea party rally. And at the tea party rally, one guy gets a megaphone and says he personally lynched 100 black people and the tea partiers cheered that. Then we find out that the man was lying, he never hurt a fly. Does that mean there is no story here?

    Of course not. The liberal media, led by Spencer Ackerman no doubt, would be screaming, “tea partiers cheer for racist lynching.” The fact that the story the speaker told would be rightly beside the point. I mean I hope and pray that Shirley Sherrod is lying and treated everyone equally because of race. But how on earth does that let the NAACP off the hook?

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  189. maybe this is the truth: to this day, the spooners didn’t know how she screwed them over.

    Another valid explanation. Sherrod admitted to being a racist, so while I hope she also said it was wrong, that’s obvious and she should find a new line of work.

    But yeah, the focus on this story shouldn’t just be Sherrod, who appears to be corrupt as all hell anyway.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  190. I agree with that too, A.W., Comment #190. It is shameful to want to join a mob.

    nk (db4a41)

  191. From AJC

    “A production company, DCTV3 in Douglas, recorded the event at the local NAACP chapter’s request and is waiting for permission to release the full speech.”

    Why hasn’t the NAACP granted permission? We all know why.

    Breitbart doesn’t have access to the whole tape, but the NAACP does. If you want to see the whole tape, you know who to blame that you haven’t yet.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  192. Dustin

    Its just like the claims of spitting and racial slurs in the D.C. tea party rally. The representative had a camera and yet he won’t release the footage. Gee, again, it’s a mystery why…

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  193. What’s interesting is that some of Sherrod’s other excuses, that the White Mayor of Douglas watched the speech and ‘why would I do something racist if white people were there’ is also not accurate (mayor left before the speech).

    The whole speech is not going to make anyone feel better about the way the NAACP reacted to racism. For a long time, I’ve heard from some that black people can’t even BE racist. Why would folks need an argument like that, when they could just reject all discriminating on the basis of race?

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  194. isn’t defrauding the government for pain and sufferings a way way way bigger deal than the decades-old racisms?

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  195. If she had gotten her Govt job by actually applying for it, she could have fought the firing/having to quit, whichever it was. So for another few years, she could have sat and done nothing and still gotten paid. It’s these appointed job that aren’t so good sometimes. Especially if you have a tendency to say what you think.

    PatAZ (9d1bb3)

  196. Dustin

    The “I wouldn’t dare say it in front of white people” argument is stupid. Imagine if Keith Olbermann was there. you think he would be offended? No, he would be like, “go on sister, get that cracker.” Seriously its like as if she never heard of liberal guilt before.

    It’s amounting to “who are you going to believe?” me or your lying ears?

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  197. Crappyfeet

    As I said before. The issue is the NAACP, which got all high and mighty about the Tea Party’s supposed association with racists, having no objection to her racist little story.

    So its not her being racist way back in the 80’s, although I would like to see her at least pretend to regret what she did before coming to work for the USDA.

    No, its way the NAACP heard this story and rather than be horrified, they laughed.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (e7d72e)

  198. you’re rude

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  199. Sherrod said the White House pressured her to leave.

    Vilsack and the White House are contradicting her on this, too. Granted, it’s hard to know which side is lying in this case. But just about everything Sherrod is saying is conflicting with the facts.

    It’s starting to get hilarious, but perhaps she’s just being run over by the bus repeatedly instead of a single time.

    Happyfeet, I feel sorry for her whether she is contrite or not. If her NAACP Video is accurate, she’s a paranoid hateful person with no future. If her vindication is correct, she’s sorry she’s a paranoid hateful person, and she has no future.

    I hope she finds a line of work where she can be at peace. Perhaps she can make candy.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  200. butter cream truffles!

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  201. Vilsack’s statement on the day she supposedly resigned is pretty much “… and don’t let the door slam you in the ass on the way out …”

    So I don’t believe Vilsack for a second.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  202. Dustin,
    Can you reference where Eloise claims Sherrod referred her and her hubby to a black attorney. If that’s true it pretty much shoots down Sherrod’s story.

    jimboster (fe0b27)

  203. jimboster,

    Thanks for asking. <a href=" Here’s the link (youtube interview)” target=”_blank”>Here.

    4 minutes, 44 seconds or so into the interview, she explains Spooner was referred to a black lawyer as well as a white one. This simply isn’t the person Sherrod was talking about in the Breitbart video.

    But listen to the entire interview. The inconsistencies are widespread.

    nk, want to think the best of this woman, which I think speaks well for his character, but if you listen to Sherrod, she isn’t apologizing for past racism, she is pretending she didn’t say any of the things you hear in the NAACP speech.

    It’s as if she things CNN’s audience will never hear that video.

    And apparently Mr Spooner is alive again. The claims I keep hearing about every aspect of Sherrod’s story keep contradicting eachother.

    Listen to the way Sherrod admits a black person might be able to make a race based discrimination, but she has never done so. Dismissive and defensive. And of course, listen to Ms. Spooner, no longer a widow. Nothing she says lines up with the story on Breitbart’s video.

    It’s just a completely unrelated person defending her friend. Mr Spooner isn’t available because he’s driving his truck. Sherrod’s a crook who can’t keep a story straight, but that’s not surprising or important.

    And I wonder if we should even bother. AW has identified the actual problem: the NAACP was cool with an ugly concept, and shouldn’t pretend to have authority over the Tea Party.

    My apologies if there are typos. I can’t easily read what I’m typing.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  204. Sherrod is saying ‘yes, yes;, when the interviewer notes that Mr Spooner is dead.

    But he’s not dead, says his wife. And look at Sherrod’s face. “OH!… ummmm”

    Sherrod and the Spooners are obviously extremely close friends who have overcome racism. CNN says they got incorrect information from some newspaper as if Sherrod didn’t just tell them he’s dead 20 seconds ago!

    This ultimately doesn’t matter, but Sherrod is not contrite about her sins in the NAACP video. So the entire redemption story appears to be another lie.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  205. The actual facts do not matter. All that really matters is you all are racists. Just ask timb.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  206. Nevertheless, she admitted either the federal or state government sent the white farmer to her for help and she limited her assistance simply because he was white. That’s racist, and it’s no excuse that it happened 20+ years ago.

    Comment by DRJ — 7/20/2010 @ 10:09 am

    What was Sherrod’s job title and description in 1986?

    steve (7fc5aa)

  207. small-s steve’s are predictably douchenozzles.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  208. steve, I don’t think you should believe anything Sherrod tells you about her job in 1986, but racial discrimination is never ok, no matter what your job title is. And if a tax exempt org practiced it, they are criminals.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  209. My two cent speculation: Sherrod never thought or acted out of racial animus. She had to give a podium speech to the NAACP, so she made up and delivered an unfalsifiable story about how she overcame unconcious racism, because she figured that’s what the room wanted. Ritual of redemption, transcending our basest drives, one person can make a difference, blah blah. Decades later, the tape pops up in an era of heightened racial demagoguery, and boom.

    I’m so sick of this climate of acute race consciousness.

    gp (c70d65)

  210. Decades later, gp?

    JD (0ce0dc)

  211. gp, that’s probably a reasonable guess (aside from JD’s correction).

    However, look at Sherrod’s other corruption with Pigford. I think you’re identified a likely explanation for her behavior that is more innocent than mine.

    either way, she’s a dang liar. And the NAACP should release the full video.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  212. all this has done I think is underscored the meme that there is a conversation to be had with respect to the Tea Party and racisms

    Everyone involved should have just stayed home and made 18 tasty cupcakes wif Kimmy K’s nilla cupcake mix cause then instead of some half-baked racial imbroglio they would have 18 fully baked tasty nilla cupcakes!

    happyfeet (71f55e)

  213. gp – She gave that speech in March of 2010, 4 short months ago.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  214. all this has done I think is underscored the meme that there is a conversation to be had with respect to the Tea Party and racisms

    I don’t understand where you get that idea.

    Let’s have that conversation, then. Granting every forgiveness to an NAACP awardee admitting to racism because someone claims she later made friends with her victim, many ignoring the NAACP attendance showing approval of racism… that all paints a picture.

    Let’s compare that to the ‘conversation’ about the Tea Party, where 95% of the offenses are fringe kooks from Think Profess or Larouche fans being chased off by actual Tea Partiers.

    I am ready for this discussion.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  215. You realize these are the kind of people who will be determining your health care, they will decide
    if they’ve helped you enough, Sherrod, Ackerman and co

    ian cormac (d407d8)

  216. 216 I misunderstood, tx for correction!

    gp (c70d65)

  217. Glad to help out … the instance appears to have been years ago, but the speech where she bragged of her racisms was this year.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  218. And the speech where she insists she was never racists was today.

    CNN Interviewer: do you believe black people in power can make, or have the ability, can make race based discriminatory decisions?

    Shirly Sherrod: I’m sure that can happen, I can tell you I didn’t do it.

    I posted the link in 206.

    A few of you have said she is trying to show contrition and teach people about the folly of her ways. That she’s just being honest and we should cut her some slack.

    Can you reconcile that with the beginning of my link at 206, which I quoted in this comment?

    Happyfeet? JEA? nk?

    I am not the brightest, and sometimes several commenters here dazzle me with insights I didn’t have. Dazzle me, if possible, with how this woman could possible be this repentant racist that I’m told she was on the video no one appears to have access to but the NAACP.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  219. The NAACP just released a longer video. It appears the be edited at the 21 minute area, but I’m watching it. We’ll see.

    Of course, not sure how she can be all that repentant with the comment I quoted above, or how she’s any less wrong for her actions. But at least we have this video.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  220. If she is unrepentant today, it seems to fly in the face of the idea that her speech was about growth, reconciliation, etc …

    JD (0ce0dc)

  221. My claim that it’s edited seem to be just my computer. This wasn’t edited as far as I can tell.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  222. Hope she didnt resign to gain status in a civil suit in the near future…

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  223. The only editing appears to be the abrupt ending in Breitbart’s video, which he claims to be all he has. Does the version released by the NAACP change your perspective on this, Dustin?

    The only squeals of outrage over editing, if I recall, were from timmah and EricPW, a match made in hell, if you ask me.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  224. I hope Breitbart is indicted soon. 😉

    JD (0ce0dc)

  225. oh. that’s even worse where she blames Team R opposition to dirty socialist redistributive health cares on racism

    I’m not defending the pompous cooze if the vile whore never works again that’s fine with me

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  226. Now, there is the happyfeet that I lurv. 😉

    JD (0ce0dc)

  227. That’s quite enough about your mother, feets.

    GeneralMalaise (26e9b5)

  228. she’s just messed up in the head that’s crazytalk

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  229. Does that surprise you, happyfeet, given her prior admitted racisms?

    JD (0ce0dc)

  230. If Mr. B had released the whole video to start with the deranged lunacy of this hoochie would have been clear as day from the get go. I’m sorry I called him an asshole he was right and I was wrong.

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  231. I do not think Mr. B had any video beyond what he released, happyfeet. I could very well be wrong, but I thought he released everything he had, and the local NAACP chapter released the rest.

    I suppose timmah will be along to tell us how the rest gives her racisty racisms a context where it makes it less racisty and less racist.

    JD (0ce0dc)

  232. that is probably true but I guess what I mean is the slower kids in the audience need more context than what he gave to really get this sort of thing

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  233. OK, start watching at 16:30.

    She points out that this white farmer was being screwed, that this white farmer’s white lawyer was a terrible guy who argued for the guy to just give up his farm. She gets angry and fights for the farmer to keep her job.

    So she helps this white farmer. “working with him made me see that it’s really about those who have vs those who don’t, and they could be black, they could be white, […] and I should work to help poor people”. (this final part is about 21:30 and concludes the story of the White Farmer she was a racist against).

    I do not feel that she is apologizing for her racism even in the slightest. She doesn’t seem to be aware that she did anything wrong at all in being a bigot. She simply has two missions: to help blacks and to help poors. so sometimes she is so devoted to helping the poor that she also helps white people against her impulse not to.

    At around 24:15 she starts claiming the Tea Party is racist, saying that Bush’s 8 years never had the kinds of attacks the Tea Party is giving, which she explains as the President now being black and needing to elevate whites. (I see happyfeet is also annoyed with this).

    She has an idea that the Tea Partiers (or just Obama opponents) who are racist seem to be hurting themselves by not letting Obama help all of us.

    And she definitely does say that she got over her own hate, but as an admonishment that the Obamacare opponents aren’t giving up their hate.

    It’s a pretty bad speech. She notes with regret that black people used to help eachother. She notes that we should reach back and help eachother, I guess as a call for black people to help eachother “You could be helping the 2nd black president!”, but it’s not clear if she means race based help, because she also complains that we’re becoming more divided.

    She goes on and on about ‘money we’ve got’ ‘we’ve got more money’ ‘100% loans! 100% loans!’ ‘you may not have money, but you can always get some!’, ‘If ever there was a time to own a home, now is the time, and you can thank President Obama!’ just pleas for people to get loans from USDA because of ‘the stimulus’ that she’s unable to get out the door. But I can’t fault her much because she’s also saying that the black community should improve its credit rating to get houses and stop doing ‘foolish stuff with their money’. She encourages people to start businesses. I think a lot of what she says is of merit, and a lot of what she says is just calling attention to government gimmes… annoying to a fiscal conservative, but AFAIK accurate info about her department’s programs.

    I’m sorry, but so far, it’s a very disjointed speech, so my discussion of it probably matches. She’s still a racist, and she sees racism in the heart of people who just are fiscal conservatives. She very much sees the world as ‘we’ verses ‘them’. I think she’s just very confused about who the ‘we’ is at any given time.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  234. So now JD tries spinning

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  235. no Mr. timmah can’t cover the sun with one finger I don’t think… the woman is ridiculous and we need to hound her kind out of government cause they have a piss-poor stunted and immature comprehension of what a democracy is all about

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  236. I said “. She gets angry and fights for the farmer to keep her job. ” I meant “to keep his farm. ” not “to keep her job”.

    I think we can all agree I would not be a very successful blogger.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  237. Breitbart explicitly stated on Monday that he did not have more of the video but was making arrangements to obtain it.

    EricPWJohnson, still fouling your diapers for attention? Got old.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  238. spinning what, Eric the liar?

    JD (0ce0dc)

  239. she called us all racists… you too Mr. EricP she paints with a very very broad brush this one

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  240. Off to dinner … I will not wait for EricPW to note that he is a liar. Nor timmah. Ain’t gonna happen. Teh Narrative must be obeyed.

    What is MediaMatterz take on this, and JournoList?

    JD (0ce0dc)

  241. I hereby and publically offer the sum of ONE DOLLAR for the entire archives of the email listserv for Concern Trolls that EricPWJohnson belongs to.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  242. “I’m sorry I called him an asshole he was right and I was wrong am an asshole.”

    Comment by happyfeet — 7/20/2010

    You’re welcome.

    GeneralMalaise (11870b)

  243. she paints with a very very broad brush this one

    Comment by happyfeet

    Good point. It may not be fair to treat her as she would treat me, but she has no room to complain about how she’s treated.

    Several times she says she’s devoted to blacks limiting help to blacks. She also notes that sometimes a white person is poor enough to help too, and she loves free money from Barack Obama, but she never apologizes in any way for her racism.

    I don’t think she has any idea she was being racist, as crazy as that sounds. That’s the only way to reconcile this speech with her CNN interview I linked at 206.

    Breitbart is 100% vindicated. Watch this video and tell me he edited this speech to make his best case! He clearly did not, because he missed tons of great material. The whole speech is worse than the clip.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  244. no Mr. General I am actually being very gracious in not pointing out that Mr. Breitbart was actually very very wrong in his insinuation that the woman was letting anti-white racism guide her comportment in her recently vacated position with the USDA… Mr. B turned her plain meaning on its head I think… she plays the race card but she’s much much less a racist than she is your run of the mill demented dirty socialist what is an ugly ugly ugly totalitarian at heart

    happyfeet (19c1da)

  245. “I’m sorry I called him kind of an asshole he was right and I was wrong am sort of an asshole.”

    Comment by happyfeet — 7/20/2010

    I was much too harsh… my apologies.

    GeneralMalaise (11870b)

  246. Nobody wants a whole DOLLAR ?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  247. Just keep your eyes focused on one object when spinning JD

    heard it cuts down on the queasiness..

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  248. Dustin

    Call Krauthammer, somehow he got it wrong as well

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  249. EPWJ, he got it wrong before the full video came out. I think you already knew that, and know you’re making a very disingenuious point.

    Do you see “<— that thing? That's a quotation mark. I used them a lot in this thread to quote a racist who doesn't apologize for being a racist a single time in her 40 minute speech that I tortured myself by watching.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  250. By the way, I really really really hate to make this claim again, but the NAACP long video is, in fact, edited to omit some kind of joke at the 21 minute mark, which is during her comments about the white farmer.

    Two points:

    a) If the NAACP can’t even release the full video when they own the full video, surrounding this specific incident Breitbart brought up, we can’t really bash Breitbart for being unable to do so either.

    b) This explains why it took so long to release the video. There was something omitted for a reason. And considering what they left in, it probably was pretty crappy. The snippet of laughter is louder than the laughter at the other jokes, the AMENs to the other comments. Something was cut.

    Why hasn’t the NAACP released the full video?
    Like I care anyway… I’m just glad Breitbart was vindicated.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  251. EricPWJohnson, I’ve been meaning to ask, how do you like being the sidekick on the Chelsea Lately show?

    SPQR (26be8b)

  252. Breitbart said tonight that he’s been aware of that video since April, but only chose to get a copy and put it out there when he grew sick of watching Ben Jealous at the NAACP repeatedly tarring the Tea party movement with false charges of racism.

    GeneralMalaise (11870b)

  253. EPWJ, if you’re going to make an argument, make an argument already. I’m sure I will either agree, tear it down, or concede some ‘maybe’.

    If your argument is that Breitbart cut this video, well, that’s easy to disprove with all the juicy stuff he didn’t include. Especially the material just after this white farmer story, where all Obamacare opponents are condemned as racists because Obama is black. There was no reason to cut that, except if he didn’t have it. Which, of course, he didn’t.

    There’s no ‘I think’ about it. this woman is a racist, but she is so devoted to helping poor people that if a white person she doesn’t want to help, and abandoned for months, is really, really hurting, she might help them too. A little. A lot less than she’d have helped a black person in the same situation, she openly admits. And she never apologizes for this, nor does the audience think she ought to.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  254. RSM just let his daughter marry a brown latino guy, which as a racist; must be a bitter pill… although he seems to be acting all proud about it.
    Must be conflicted.
    Anyway, this lady now reminds me of the old white men who referred to blacks as “colored” or “negroes” long after it was out of fashion.
    They were so immersed in their culture, time and place, that it didn’t seem like a wrong thing to say…
    Maybe there is one of those old Maoist re-education camps or some gulag she can attend for 20 years or so and then she can re-emerge as “OK”.

    Personally, I think she should go on Glen Beck’s show and let the chips fall where they may… she’ll probably become at least an Alvin Greene type star, and could possibly convince white America that she is not a racist and just got tangled up in her past experience and culture

    SteveG (fcf23f)

  255. I really didn’t mean to bash RSM, and I have always been convinced he’s a good man who cares a great deal for his family. I disagree greatly with him on some stuff, but oh well.

    SteveG, I think you capture her attitude really well. She’s completely oblivious to why her attitude is simply wrong. She’s even happy about her charity to a white farmer she ‘saved’.

    This confused ‘tangled up in her past experience and culture’ business doesn’t make her any less a racist, as you know, but you’re right that this is the kind of crap that a lot of people would use to forgive her.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  256. btw, thanks to dustin for “taking one for the team” listening to that whole boring speech.

    Aaron Worthing (A.W.) (f97997)

  257. Good grief, I certainly deserve your appreciation for that.

    Then again, I’m not much clearer in my meandering comments! It’s karma.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  258. 142. If timb is correct

    — Stop right there, nk.

    Icy Texan (fdba61)

  259. 141. timmah: Some white farmer called a black coop looking for help.
    Me: Praise Jesus that he didn’t call a black “c@@n”; good luck getting any help then!
    timmah: So, Mark Williams writes under the pseudonym “Icy Texan” here? Just wow
    Comment by timb — 7/20/2010 @ 8:33 am

    — Two things, genius: 1) I was slamming you for writing “coop” (as in “chicken coop”; farming — get it?) instead of the proper spelling: “co-op”. 2) I was simultaneously digging at you for your reference to the white farmer’s “condescending attitude”, and your inference that she helped him despite the “fact” that perhaps HE was displaying racist tendencies.

    Icy Texan (fdba61)

  260. 171. Evidently her and the Spooners became good friends after she helped them. Oh, sorry – didn’t mean to spoil your rants.
    Please, just ignore this inconvenient fact.

    Comment by JEA — 7/20/2010 @ 12:25 pm

    — Please ignore the inconvenient troll, with his inconvenient untruth. JEA weighs in with the latest variation on his “even Polanski’s victim doesn’t want him prosecuted” meme.

    Icy Texan (fdba61)

  261. EPWJ should try sitting & spinning.

    Icy Texan (fdba61)

  262. Icy Texan

    Here is EXACTLY where I stand,

    Icy Texan
    My only problem is that to me ABB is only a danger to himself, unlike daily caller, which seems to scoop him hourly, he’s trying to achieve another Acorn, which – lets all be realistic – its not going to happen again at big flop – I mean Big government.

    Indeed Andrew’s only successful employee (who now has a criminal record) did a spectacular face plant when the manchild breathlessly uncovered long lunches and quitting early at temporary census employment sites (still shaking the earth that one – months of work – could of just interviewed a couple of workers)

    Given the pattericancommintarian possies moving goalpost that I must be a liberal if I do not approve of activist posing as child sex slave traffickers seeking same, or screaming middle aged crisis in motion ice cream suit wearing self promotional web-site owners.

    Somehow, this is not going to get the liberals out of office, nor is it going to get 33% of the black population to leave those crappy liberal cocoons they wrapped themselves in and stand up for themselves and their families by voting conservative.

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  263. Dustin

    Call him – saw a bit of the news on MSNBC ABB sounded like he just admitted he did a bad bad thing

    duh!

    EricPWJohnson (cedf1d)

  264. Someone has issues …

    JD (940eb2)

  265. “Call him – saw a bit of the news on MSNBC ABB sounded like he just admitted he did a bad bad thing

    duh!

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 7″

    I thought he said he felt sorry for the sorry individual. Not that he did something wrong.

    Shirley Sherrod is easy to pity. You’re just shilling for democrats as usual, posing as a concerned conservative.

    “This isn’t going to get the liberals out of office”. You don’t mind that for a second. It was obvious when you freaked out at any criticism of Scozzafava, when you condemned Breitbart’s manipulation of O’Keefe into wiretapping (yeah, I know, that didn’t actually happen) and warned about how he’s going to prison.

    You see, as I do, that the democrats look terrible on this. The White House fired someone with no investigation in a stupid attempt to beat the political cycle on a scandal. Now they are completely reversing it, looking like idiots. Sherrod is a nasty racist who doesn’t even admit it’s racist to treat blacks better than whites. The NAACP cheers racism, and contradicts its reaction to racism while playing the cynical political game.

    In all that mess, you’re bashing Breitbart over and over, as you have done hundreds of times before, while pretending to be on his side. you know, if you just honestly admitted you were a partisan democrat who hated Breitbart (instead of promising to pay for Breitbart’s lawyers if he needs them), your complaints wouldn’t be dismissed so quickly as lies.

    Breitbart posted all the video he had. You know it, I know it. Chris Hooten knows it, the NAACP knows it. The only strong criticism of him I know of is that he should have tried to get more video (which he did… I guess he should have tried harder or something). The fact that more video, even a couple minutes beyond the one he shows, exposes Sherrod as bashing all Obama opponents for racism she imagines, simply makes the ‘he edited it!’ claim unreasonable.

    Dustin (b54cdc)

  266. This story is NOT ABOUT BRIETBART! Not directly, anyway. Here is my problem with you on this one:

    more conservatism like this and I guess we can look forward to 6 more years of Democrats
    as if actually discovering the NAACP was racist
    wow, next women are different from men
    and in another expose
    cats and dogs – can we cross the divide

    Comment by EricPWJohnson — 7/19/2010 @ 10:39

    — To suggest that the strong current of racism running through the NAACP is common knowledge (and therefore a waste of time to expose) is, in my opinion, completely wrongheaded. Every year a new generation of voters turn 18. You expose what these people are really about at EVEREY opportunity!

    Icy Texan (fdba61)


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