Victory in Iraq Day
[Guest post by DRJ]
Zombietime declares today should be Victory in Iraq Day:
“The moment has come to acknowledge the obvious. To overtly declare a fact that has already been true for quite some time now. Let me repeat:
WE WON THE WAR IN IRAQ
And since there will never be a ticker-tape parade down Fifth Avenue in New York for our troops, it’s up to us, the people, to arrange a virtual ticker-tape parade. An online victory celebration.”
Congratulations on this VI Day to free Iraqis and the US military men and women who made their freedom possible.
– DRJ
In before the “zOMG you Rethuglican chimpy McBushitler zero-percenters MissionAccomplished Haliburtonblackwater ”
They weren’t anti-war, they were pro-other side.
Comment by Techie — 11/22/2008 @ 7:12 pm
We won the battle but it looks like we are trying our best to lose the war. We just elected someone who has failed at every leadership position he has held. Every. Single. One. Just because he makes us feel good about ourselves.
Comment by Roy Mustang — 11/22/2008 @ 7:33 pm
Bombing villages and killing civilians. That’s what O’man – the Annointed One — said about our troops. Or how about John Kerry, “kicking in doors and terrorizing women and children in the dead of the night.” Or Dick Turbin comparing us to the Gulags and the Stalags and the Pol Pots of the world. We won despite our majority, unfortunately, party doing everything they freakin could do to undermine our troops in the field. Don’t forget the New York Slimes telling all the terrorists just how we were conducting legitimate surveillance on the bastards, or how we were legitimately tracking their financing. Great fricken job NY Slimes. It’s called freakin TREASON!!!
But I digress. The real Heroes are our brave men and women who put their lives on the line day after day, week after week, month after month. Like Tony M. from Naperville, Illinois. I had the Honor of attending Tony’s funeral. I say Honor because it was truly an Honor to come to know what a great guy he was, what a loving, funny, caring guy he was. And how he sacrificed everything, every freaking thing including his life, so that we could be safe. Heaven is a better place because of people like Tony M., it is guarded by United States Marines!!! God Bless the United States of America!! With the Dems in absolute control now, we’re screwed.
Comment by J. Raymond Wright — 11/22/2008 @ 7:58 pm
If we won this war — which is, as all thinking people know, an unwinnable war — it’s a hollow victory. Thousands of our men died — FOR WHAT? What did we gain?
Comment by Terrence — 11/23/2008 @ 1:35 am
Terrence -
No Saddam. No Saddam to redirect millions of dollars toward state sponsored terror. No more Chemical Ali. No more ethnic cleansing of Kurds, Shi’ites, or Marsh Arabs.
No more release of murders, drug dealers, or kidnappers via a small contribution to the Saddam Hussein whiskey fund. No more rape rooms, no more torture of soccer teams. No more beheading and displays of corpses. No more payments to Hamas for attacks on Israel. No more payments to Hezbollah, or al-Queada, or the Muslim Brotherhood.
No more Dr. Germ.
No more ban on satellite receivers. No more ban on Iraqi travel & scholarship at foreign universities. No more Saddam worship by school children.
No more single party rule. No more single party control of newspapers, radio, and television. No more secret prisons. Less wondering if your missing loved ones were dead or just fled from the country (but unfortunately, still no absolute, final reckoning).
I’d say, more than enough to be thankful for …
Comment by Adriane — 11/23/2008 @ 2:17 am
Why don’t we ask The Right’s Savior, Mr. Joe the Plumber, what we should do for the troops? He has all the answers.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 6:01 am
He may be unlicensed to unplug your toilet, but He can point out, using purely fictional proverbs using himself, that at some point in time, somebody somewhere may win the lottery and have to pay more taxes.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 6:03 am
Nice try, mouthyInjustice, but WTF does that have to do with anything regarding the subject of this post? Wait, I withdraw that question. Don’t answer. Don’t post. Don’t stink up the place.
Please, everyone, ignore its clumsy feint. The topic is “Victory in Iraq Day.”
Comment by PiousAgnostic — 11/23/2008 @ 6:30 am
I see tmj never tires of being somewhat less than honest.
Comment by JD — 11/23/2008 @ 6:31 am
Long may a peaceful Iraq flourish.
Comment by Techie — 11/23/2008 @ 7:58 am
The question has never been whether we were capable of defeating Saddam Hussein and overthrowing his regime. That was never in contest. The question has always been, was the war justified? Was it necessary, judging from all we know now, after the fact. Was it the best course of action? Could it have been avoided? Has it made the world a safer place, terrorism wise? Answering these questions will help us judge victory or defeat.
Comment by love2008 — 11/23/2008 @ 8:59 am
I completely agree with love on this point. I am not sure if we can really say for sure whether the war has made us safer. I tend to think not, however.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 9:17 am
All that stuff, the rape rooms, the persecution of marsh Arabs and Kurds. All that was pretty bad. But it really wasn’t are problem, wasn’t worth even one hundred, let alone 4000 of our young men and women. We as I understand it — hard figures being unavailable — we are talking 8000 to 16000 seriously permanently, disabled soldiers. That wasn’t worth it either. Certainly wasn’t worth bankrupting the country.
What would have been worth it? Iraqi democracy? Well, we have a sort of paid for, sectarian kleptocracy that sure doesn’t look very stable, a guess that’s close. But for me and other anti-war conservatives, that wasn’t worth it. Stopping state terror and WMD. Unfortunately the links of the Saddam regime to either of those proved illusory , as anyone involved in intel could have told you after hearing our ‘best’ evidence presented by Colin Powell at the UN. No, none of this was worth the blood, treasure, and I would say the election of Obama worth it. It was a fiasco started for Oil and Israel, and it broke my nation and my party.
Besides, were are still losing guys (the vast majority are guys) there at one every two days,
Comment by Mitchell Young — 11/23/2008 @ 9:17 am
Yep, curse those evil Jooooos and their stable Western democracy.
“Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to assure the survival and the success of liberty.” John F. Kennedy
Dead words, apparently.
Comment by Techie — 11/23/2008 @ 9:25 am
The Victory in Iraq day will be announced once the Democraps are fully ensconced in the Government. They will then mouth platitudes of sad losses needed to secure the world against terror.
It will be a Democratic Victory.
you know, revisionist, democratic leadership.
Comment by paul from fl — 11/23/2008 @ 9:26 am
See what 12 years of “containment” wrought. See what preceded them and what would have followed upon Saddam’s “uncontainment.” The answer is yes.
As to whether it could have been avoided, the answer is yes. But Saddam declined to avoid it. I suspect he’d rethink that decision, given the opportunity to do so.
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 9:29 am
You mean like George “Slam Dunk” Tenet, Mitchell?
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 9:30 am
“Zombietime declares today should be Victory in Iraq Day:”
I say we let the Iraqis pick the day.
Comment by imdw — 11/23/2008 @ 9:37 am
Techie,
JFK was of the Greatest Generation. current leadership is of the Boomer (ie ‘we crapped up the world with liberal feel-good polcies and now we can’t understand why it’s all f’ed up’ generation) generation.
Boomers have no winners or losers, yay everybody wins!
Boomers enjoy all the profits and seek Big Daddy help when the losses may actually hurt.
I am a Boomer, and tell you that I have more in common with the WWII guys I know than the Cold War guys I served with.
War is never black and white, when the dust settles, those whose life is closest to the pre-war state, wins.
While we have given up some freedoms (and I would debate that elsewhere) we’re pretty damn close to our pre-war state. We win.
Like every war, with the exceptions of WW’s I and II and they were exceptions, we realise that war sucks.
Yeah, we won.
Comment by paul from fl — 11/23/2008 @ 9:37 am
See, the US has ALWAYS been in the wrong w/ regards to Iraq.
There were a lot of people against Operation Desert Storm. So what if Saddam claimed somewhere between 1/5 and 1/4 of the Middle East’s oil reserves. Saudi Arabia would have been powerless against an Iraqi assault flush with success in Kuwait.
Then, after leaving Hussein and his ilk in power (one of the biggest blunders in American Military history), we get stuck policing a “no-fly” zone for the next 11 years while Saddam corrupts the UN with petrol dollars, slaughters his own citizens, sows dissension within NATO, and generates headlines like “US Sanctions kill eleventy million Iraqi children in 1998″.
After 9/11, that became a totally unworkable situation. And I hate to break it to the Left, but there is no indication whatsoever that President Al Gore wouldn’t have taken out Saddam either. Recall that Iraqi regime change being official US and Clinton policy since the Iraqi Liberation Act of 1998.
Comment by Techie — 11/23/2008 @ 9:38 am
(the first line should read: “been in the wrong w/ regards to Iraq for some persons”)
Comment by Techie — 11/23/2008 @ 9:38 am
Repeating silly left-wing talking points doesn’t qualify as thinking. And given that the war is now pretty much over, continuing to repeat the same old nonsense shows even less thought.
Comment by David C. — 11/23/2008 @ 9:41 am
“If we won this war — which is, as all thinking people know, an unwinnable war”
Someone call an engraver and create a plaque with this monument to stupidity congratulating itself.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 11/23/2008 @ 10:31 am
Why is it that the Leftists always seem so invested in our failure?
Comment by JD — 11/23/2008 @ 10:55 am
#24, JD asked, “Why is it that the Leftists always seem so invested in our failure?”
It’s because Leftists see the destruction of our political and economic system, and the repudiation of our individual rights under the Constitution as “Progressive.” Opposition to the USA is a means to their ends, a state where individual rights are subservient to the rights of groups and to the collective.
This sort of mindset is the very essence of what Lenin called a “useful idiot.” We have lots of them around here, they all voted for Obama.
Comment by Ropelight — 11/23/2008 @ 12:35 pm
A’ash al Iraq!
A’ash al America!
Comment by Patricia — 11/23/2008 @ 12:54 pm
Ropelight: Thanks for pretending to speak for over half of America. Too bad you are incorrect. How does it feel to be so wrong? Probably not much different than your normal feeling, because you’re so dilussional you can trick your own pretty little head into thinking you’re right.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 1:34 pm
Now that — post #27, that is — is a perfect example of an “opinion” that consists of nothing but non sequiters and ad hominem attacks.
Comment by Icy Truth — 11/23/2008 @ 1:41 pm
Calling someone out for speaking on behalf of millions of people is ad hominem? Spicy poop, you are especially spicy and poopy today. You can’t bring me down. 42-7 baby! Go bucks.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 1:43 pm
Dillusional? I cannot stand it when pretentious arrogant pompous blowhards like tmj do not know simple spelling.
Comment by JD — 11/23/2008 @ 1:48 pm
Of course — MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.
Haven’t we been down this road before? Are you thinking long term? Do you really think is war is over?
Comment by Terrence — 11/23/2008 @ 1:56 pm
I was diluded once . . . or was that “de-luded”?
Perhaps cute-in-bustiers should be de-luded.
[As in: having your Quaaludes taken away, Binky.]
Comment by Icy Truth — 11/23/2008 @ 2:05 pm
Say what?
Comment by Icy Truth — 11/23/2008 @ 2:06 pm
Sorry, techie, the Jooooos stuff just doesn’t work anymore. Hasn’t for a while as a matter of fact. I’m posting under my own name. Couple of high-powered profs by the names of Meersheimer and Walt actually wrote a best-selling book about the whole situation.
Go read it then get back to me.
Comment by Mitchell Young — 11/23/2008 @ 2:15 pm
I thought they stopped dealing Dill-ludes in the 70’s.
Comment by Jack Klompus — 11/23/2008 @ 2:20 pm
Junior Detective. Microsoft Word checked that word for me. Bonus on me. Take up your spelling corrections with Bill Gates.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 2:36 pm
Tmj – I thought you were educated, much more so than all us hickish rubes. Nice Leftist attempt to blame a rich white dude for your individual failure.
Comment by JD — 11/23/2008 @ 2:56 pm
Junior Detective: I see I am getting a capital letter for my name now. “Leftist”. I am actually more of a centrist. We have gone over this. Don’t you have your junior detective note pad available to look this stuff up?
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 3:22 pm
Wow, I hadn’t seen that disowned Harvard bit in a while.
http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/?id=110008117
And
http://www.slate.com/id/2138741/
Comment by Techie — 11/23/2008 @ 3:28 pm
The war ain’t over
‘Till the fat troll says it is:
Is Joe Plumber gay?
Comment by PiousAgnostic — 11/23/2008 @ 3:29 pm
“Ain’t William Shakespeare”,
Says old truth and justice,
“go back to your job.”
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 3:41 pm
Truther, I don’t need Microsoft to tell me when I’ve misspelled a word (or used the wrong word). It saddens me that you claim to be a former engineer and now teach high school.
BTW, there are 7 syllables in the middle line of a haiku, not 6.
Comment by Steverino — 11/23/2008 @ 3:52 pm
Steverino. Look up the definition of irony.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 3:59 pm
Here’s a clue, Mr. High School teacher: a vocative phrase is separated from the rest of the sentence with a comma. It is not a sentence unto itself.
The word “dilussional” doesn’t appear in Merriam-Webster. I’m wondering just how Microsoft’s spell checker would think it was proper.
Still not able to count up to 7?
Comment by Steverino — 11/23/2008 @ 5:05 pm
techie, when you have to cite C. Hitchens, you’ve lost.
Comment by Mitchell Young — 11/23/2008 @ 5:57 pm
Mitchell, did you miss my #17?
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 6:09 pm
Steverino. Look up the definition of irony.
The last refuge of a fool.
Comment by Dmac — 11/23/2008 @ 6:15 pm
tmj – calling yourself a centrist does not make you one.
Comment by JD — 11/23/2008 @ 6:34 pm
Pablo, I should have said anyone at the operational level — i.e. someone who actually collects intelligence. George Tenet is a politician — even if a bureaucratic one. He drank the kool-aid. When you have a former general briefing people with ‘artists conceptions’ of supposed mobil WMD labs, even the educated public should figure out its a crock.
Comment by Mitchell Young — 11/23/2008 @ 7:10 pm
Junior detective: posting your opinions doesn’t validate them.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 7:13 pm
dmac: I am still waiting on your apology for misquoting me and attributing several comments I did not make to me. I guess since you’re not offering one I can assume that you have no actual interest in truth-telling or admitting you’re incorrect. Therefore, I can assume that anything you say and/or post cannot be held in any sort of esteem whatsoever.
Comment by truthnjustice — 11/23/2008 @ 7:15 pm
Uh, no. Bureaucrats and politicians are different things. Tenet supervised the collection of much of the intelligence that was provided to Powell and, of course, to Bush and Congress. He didn’t drink the Kool Aid. If anything, he made it. And his equals in other western intelligence agencies nodded in approval.
A bright guy like you should understand that what is presented on the floor of the General Assembly is not what goes on in Presidential/Congressional briefings by the CIA director. Your narrative is incoherent.
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 7:34 pm
Stopping state terror and WMD. Unfortunately the links of the Saddam regime to either of those proved illusory
Wrong.
Comment by Gerald A — 11/23/2008 @ 7:36 pm
I am still waiting on your apology for misquoting me and attributing several comments I did not make to me. I guess since you’re not offering one I can assume that you have no actual interest in truth-telling or admitting you’re incorrect.
We’re still waiting to hear how MS Word said “dilussional” was a valid word.
Comment by Gerald A — 11/23/2008 @ 7:38 pm
Not only does Word recognize it as a misspelling, it suggests the proper spelling, delusional. So, what we have here is that tnj doesn’t know how to use that which he depends on and now chooses to blame his failings on Bill Gates.
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 7:43 pm
Which, I might add, is delusional.
Comment by Pablo — 11/23/2008 @ 7:44 pm
I never knew bloggers had the power to declare victory in war.
Guess Obama’s win has sent wingnuts so completely over the edge, they’re going ahead and putting Iraq in the win column – without even the consent of GWB, the US military or the Iraqis – before Obama ends this tragic desert debacle.
Pretty sad.
Comment by Soothsayer — 11/26/2008 @ 9:47 pm