Patterico's Pontifications

11/12/2008

“The Jury Talks Back”

Filed under: General — Patterico @ 9:51 pm



A while back I floated the idea of a subdomain of this site on which selected commenters would be allowed to post. Now that the hubbub of the election has subsided, I have asked tech wizard Evariste to move to implement such a site.

I plan to call it “The Jury Talks Back” and host it at jury.patterico.com. I have no idea how long it will take to set up — a day? a week? — but I’d like to ask anyone who is interested send me an e-mail saying so.

Make sure to include your preferred password.

DRJ e-mailed me earlier and said that for the foreseeable future she will be posting much less — perhaps nothing. She will be maintaining her account — and as time, circumstances, and inclination permit, she may put up a post from time to time. But it may be a bit quieter around here. It was that news more than anything that spurred me to get this idea moving, because I’d like to have content that fills the silences that occur on this site during my workday.

As I recall, the right-leaning volunteers from before included Scott Jacobs, aunursa, Apogee, and JD. The left-leaning volunteers included Psyberian, Aplomb, aphrael, and Leviticus.

I’m open to any further volunteers. No commitment; you post when you feel like it, and you don’t when you don’t. If you’re interested, my e-mail address is on the sidebar.

UPDATE: I should make it clear that it’s going to be very restricted at first. I plan to take only established commenters with a track record of good writing and some level of civility. (UPDATE: At first I wrote “and minimal civility,” but that seemed to imply that the level of civility should be minimal. That would make for an interesting site in some ways, but it’s not what I meant.)

48 Responses to ““The Jury Talks Back””

  1. Perhaps no pressure to post, but a certain level of seriousness and commitment from the volunteers if you are going to go to the trouble of putting together a second site. Which is why I have hesitated to volunteer. I don’t want to lead you on and then not deliver.

    nk (87c95e)

  2. I’m looking forward to posting. I’ve never done this before.

    aunursa (c07e29)

  3. What is the purpose of a sub-domain for some posters?

    Sounds like a Club and I don’t want to be a part of any Club that would let me in.

    Robert Rodriguez (54247e)

  4. a track record of good writing and minimal civility.

    minimal civility?

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  5. That’s sad news about DRJ.
    Is Karl still posting? I love Karl.

    MayBee (d8edb1)

  6. We’ll miss DRJ, for sure. She’s an outstanding poster. Sounds like missing her might be temporary, though.

    I hope the experiment works. Should be fun; I see a few of my favorite commenters on that list of volunteers.

    –JRM

    JRM (355c21)

  7. D%&m you, quasimodo, I wanted to be the first one to highlight Patterico’s requirement for minimal civility. You &%%*!#$, now my day’s ruined!

    AMac (c822c9)

  8. Is Karl still posting? I love Karl.

    I agree. I think he’s still posting, but he does it when he can. Lately, he can’t. Hopefully he can again.

    Patterico (cc3b34)

  9. I will email the only thing I can come up with right now for a first submission, Patterico, so you can judge for yourself.

    nk (87c95e)

  10. It’s sad that DRJ has to cut back, but there are real lives that need to be lived. Her posts and comments will be missed.

    This is going to be interesting. I like to think that I’m civil, but this is an activity where I’m better employed as a member of the Peanut Gallery.

    htom (412a17)

  11. Civility is in the eye of the offended. That should leave it wide open for conservatives and members of the leftist illuminati alike!

    Jeff (3cb047)

  12. I denounce all of JD’s future posts. And I say rawrrr.

    MayBee (d8edb1)

  13. I wrote something last night, but the editing process is killing me. This whole civility shit is not my strong suit.

    JD (94c827)

  14. Sorry to hear that DRJ will be cutting down on her posting. But she will be back. She can’t stay away from us. 😉

    Stu707 (7fb2e7)

  15. #7 Amac … i denounce myself

    quasimodo (edc74e)

  16. I would volunteer, but I don’t know the difference between THERE, THEY’RE AND THEIR.

    :)

    Oiram (983921)

  17. or, your, and you’re!

    Another Drew (51839f)

  18. #15 quasimodo —

    Dang it, I didn’t think you’d stoop to denouncing yourself! You… eel-laden hovercraft!

    [/attempt to display some civility, per Pat’s Update]

    AMac (c822c9)

  19. Lol……. oh yeah……. also YOUR and YOU’RE.

    Thanks Mr. Drew 😉

    Oiram (983921)

  20. I’d like to point out that of this little motly crew, I’m the only one with the stone to use my real name.

    *grins*

    Scott Jacobs (89480a)

  21. Also, I was about to complain and say that I would rather a Libertaian label, but I’m not all that great of a Libertarian, (there’s a few who would eat me for lunch for some of my views, I suspect), so could I ask for “Conservatarian”? :)

    Scott Jacobs (89480a)

  22. As if there is a “Scott Jacobs” anywhere in the Western World?
    Right! (rolling eyes and chuckles – at least once or twice)

    Another Drew (51839f)

  23. Hey! I’m using my real name too………..

    Why it’s Oiram Itterdna ……….. (Fastest Blogger Ever) 😉

    Oiram (983921)

  24. Well, at least he could drive a car fast.
    Too bad he had such a bad habit of having them fall apart under him.
    I wonder how he did with apostrophies?

    Another Drew (51839f)

  25. Senti Perche tu sempre mi critica? Non e justo criticare soltanto perche il mio gramatica no e valido.

    La verita e sempre la verita, professore. 😉

    Oiram (983921)

  26. Comment by Oiram — 11/13/2008 @ 12:15 pm

    The criticism you receive can be seen to be based in your absolute refusal to alter your behavior with regards to the above noted grammatical deviations.
    Someone who was interested in learning, would alter their behavior to comply with accepted norms as to the use of language.
    Continued refusal to use proper language can be seen as a case of wilful rebellion against societal norms, which usually leads to being cast out of proper society. In Amish society, it would manifest itself as being shunned, where you would be ignored by everyone around you.

    Another Drew (51839f)

  27. #26 What can I tell you Another Drew?

    Notice that you wont see me as an author here at Patterico, not because I asked but was denied, but because I recognize my weaknesses.

    Don’t you think at least some of the criticism I receive can also be because of lack of agreement in this room?

    I pay attention to the way your comrades write, sure a lot of it makes me look like I’m in Kindergarten, but you have to admit, much of it makes me look like a genius.

    Again what can I tell you Another Drew……..
    “where you would be ignored by everyone around you.”

    Ignore me along with the other 51% of American voters and our President elect for that matter, or debate me and my grammatical errors.

    Oiram (983921)

  28. You’ve got right leaning and left leaning… but whose hoos who’s representing the mushy middle that David Brooks claims is the key to political success?

    steve sturm (369bc6)

  29. I’m glad you are doing this, Patterico, and you’ve chosen a the perfect name. There are regulars who have much to offer, as jurors and bloggers.

    DRJ (8b9d41)

  30. but whose hoos who’s representing the mushy middle that David Brooks claims is the key to political success?

    Your mom!

    I will bring SUCH maturity to this process! :)

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  31. Anyone. Is there a name for commenters who respond to trolls?

    I’m aware of the plea not to feed the trolls, but I want to know if there’s a term in common usage which specifically identifies those who are unable or unwilling to heed that admonition.

    Ropelight (1dddd9)

  32. Losing DRJ is bad news. Also note that Robert Bidinotto has also decided to take a long break. I really look forward to posts from JD, Scott, and the others mentioned.

    Old Coot (8a493c)

  33. #20 – that’s standard Scots behaviour – hence me using *my* own name …

    Is this new site only for those who are going to post ? Or is it also for those who enjoy reading and occasionally responding ?

    Alasdair (075fca)

  34. Anyone. Is there a name for commenters who respond to trolls?
    I’m aware of the plea not to feed the trolls, but I want to know if there’s a term in common usage which specifically identifies those who are unable or unwilling to heed that admonition.
    Comment by Ropelight — 11/13/2008 @ 4:25 pm

    “Optimists”

    I’d like to point out that of this little motly crew, I’m the only one with the stone to use my real name.
    *grins*
    Comment by Scott Jacobs — 11/13/2008 @ 11:42 am

    Nuh UHH! :)

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  35. Scott: she claims she’s a moderate, but isn’t that the term liberals use to describe themselves when they’re embarrassed to admit they’re really a liberal?

    stevesturm (3b7833)

  36. I’m aware of the plea not to feed the trolls, but I want to know if there’s a term in common usage which specifically identifies those who are unable or unwilling to heed that admonition.

    Not that I am aware of – and I am one of those who often makes the original plea – so perhaps we should coin something ourselves. Suggestions, anyone?

    I’ll offer one to get us started: mules. I borrow it from street slang (as best I understand it) where it refers to a weak narcissist who does a stronger narcissist’s bidding. Trolls are narcissists. Those who feed them aren’t narcissists themselves, but they are behaving like mules when they do.

    ras (fc54bb)

  37. Is there a name for commenters who respond to trolls?

    Yes, indeeed! The correct term is “schmucks.”

    Official Internet Data Office (8360fd)

  38. Guilty, as charged!

    Another Drew (51839f)

  39. “you have to admit, much of it makes me look like a genius.”

    Oiram – I must have missed these parts. Please be sure to point them out to everyone next time. OK.

    daleyrocks (5d22c0)

  40. What’s the phrase?

    A Legend in his own Mind!

    Another sterling victory of the self-esteem movement.

    Another Drew (51839f)

  41. Are you sure you want to support more threads like this, Patterico?

    nk (87c95e)

  42. Are you sure you want to support more threads like this, Patterico?

    Let the train wreck begin!!!

    Scott Jacobs (90ff96)

  43. Scott, You mean there was a beginning?

    EricPWJohnson (cc9286)

  44. #36, ras, that’s pretty good, “Mules” strikes me as an excellent suggestion. Thank you.

    Let’s keep the issue open for a day or two, but unless something more descriptive comes along, or an appropriate existing term surfaces, then I’m happy with “Mules.” It seems to capture so many elements, both subtle and overt, which are characteristic of the breed.

    I’d like to get Another Drew’s opinion too. He’s a smart guy with a good sense of humor, and knows a bit about the issues involved. Anyone else with an opinion is welcome to chime in as well.

    Ropelight (1dddd9)

  45. Hearing no objections, I believe it’s time to take the term out for a test drive. Anyone who finds an appropriate opportunity to run “Mule” up the flagpole is welcome.

    See #31 and subsequent comments for background.

    Ropelight (5b609a)

  46. Comment by Ropelight — 11/14/2008 @ 5:17 am

    “Mules” works for me for use in “polite company”.
    My own preference probably would get me, at the minimum, into moderation.

    Another Drew (91c7e4)

  47. more…
    Just a question though,
    what would be the rhetorical equivalent of the requisite 2 X 4?

    Another Drew (91c7e4)

  48. AD, how about in addition to name calling including “2×4″ in the comment? That might help.

    Ropelight (799f9c)


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