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7/12/2008

L.A. Times Commenters Joyously Revel in Tony Snow’s Death

Filed under: Dog Trainer,General — Patterico @ 9:00 pm

The L.A. Times Top of the Ticket blog has an excellent and genuinely nice post about Tony Snow. The comments section, however, is filth.

A notice at the Top of the Ticket blog says: “Comments are moderated, and will not appear until they’ve been approved.” Here are some charming comments that the editors of that blog have chosen to approve today:

I hope the rest of these criminals die too. Good riddance to a person who contributed to making this world a worse place.

Posted by: Max | July 12, 2008 at 05:58 AM

Its unfortunate he won’t be able to see the damage he helped inflict on this country and the world. I wonder how he likes hell.

Posted by: tedson | July 12, 2008 at 06:27 AM

. . . .

Good riddance , we still have a white house full of liars
and American soldiers being slaughtered. if Cheney strokes
then change will begin , as for Bush he is just to stupid
to die and when he dies bury him at home in IRAQ.

Posted by: slimjim66 | July 12, 2008 at 07:30 AM

. . . .

There is special place in hell for Mr. Snow. As a co-conspirator of the Bush administration, I have no special sympathy for him. I only wish his suffering were more prolonged.

Posted by: Efrain Rojas | July 12, 2008 at 09:05 AM

. . . .

When I heard Tony Snow had died I felt very bad. As much as he sold his soul to shill and lie for the country’s worst president, I always liked Snow, his cheerful disposition and respected his bravery in his fight with cancer. My first thought was, How come it couldn’t have happened to someone really evil like Dick Cheney? It’s ironic that all the TV news reports about Snow’s passing were immediately followed by reports of Cheney’s annual physical and heart test. The media must have had the same thoughts.

Posted by: Bush hater | July 12, 2008 at 09:30 AM

. . . .

I guess now we know that lying causes cancer.

Posted by: Star Mingus | July 12, 2008 at 09:35 AM

The question begs to be asked, is it possible to die when you don’t have a soul.

Posted by: Chad | July 12, 2008 at 09:38 AM

. . . .

Tony Snow was a lying right wing propagandist on radio, Fox and in print well before he got to the White House, as official Press Liar for the Bush administration. He earned his reactionary stripes early by helping gin up the Lewinski malarki in ’97-98 via Lucianne Goldberg, the horrible right wing screed writer. I’m terribly sorry for Snow’s young family, of course, and worst enemies should not be wished his fate. But karma is a bitch, is it not?

Posted by: robt517 | July 12, 2008 at 10:16 AM

I hope he suffered at the end. Just a terrible person.

Posted by: Melainie Samson | July 12, 2008 at 10:20 AM

. . . .

Thank you G*d.
Only 99 more of them to go.

Posted by: Tom from Texas | July 12, 2008 at 10:55 AM

. . . .

goodbye Snowjob – I will not miss you at all.

Posted by: RB | July 12, 2008 at 11:10 AM

. . . .

Tony Snow was an enabler of the most corrupt administration this country has ever known. I feel for his family, but I still say good riddance to all liars.

Posted by: William Straub | July 12, 2008 at 12:03 PM

. . . .

Welcome, Mr. Snow. I believe your roommate, Mr. Helms, has already arrived.

Posted by: Hell’s Receptionist | July 12, 2008 at 12:59 PM

. . . .

ANUDDER ENABLER BIT THE DUST

Posted by: ROGER | July 12, 2008 at 01:30 PM

. . . .

good riddance

Posted by: gundumma | July 12, 2008 at 01:35 PM

the world is now a slightly better place

Posted by: gundumma | July 12, 2008 at 01:37 PM

. . . .

I will not miss Tony Snow. I feel bad for his family & happy [for] our country.

Posted by: Vikter | July 12, 2008 at 01:42 PM

. . . .

Good riddance:

Posted by: Huey | July 12, 2008 at 01:45 PM

. . . .

Death does not turn a bad person into a good one. Adios amigo wont miss you one bit.

Posted by: ed ramia | July 12, 2008 at 01:52 PM

. . . .

Oh YES HE WAS A WONDERFUL MAN AND A …..
PUUULLLEEEASE
THIS PERSON HAD A MAJOR PART IN THE MOST EVIL ADMINISTRATION THIS COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN.
DEATH AND TORTURE, ILLEGAL WARS, WAR CRIMINAL SOLDIERS, GOOD RIDDANCE
CANCER WAS TOO GOOD FOR HIM
HOPE IT WAS PAINFUL.
NOW FOR THE REST OF THIS SCUMMY ADMINISTRATION. COME ON CANCER, DO YOUR GOOD WORK………………..
.

Posted by: perry | July 12, 2008 at 02:26 PM

. . . .

I prefer to give tribute to the many fathers, mothers, sisters, and brothers of the hundreds of thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians that were killed all because Mr. Snow continued to perpetuate the lies of the Bush Administration. May THEY rest in peace.

The worst lies are indeed the ones we tell ourselves. May Tony Snow get the eternity he truly deserves….

Posted by: Jan Friedman | July 12, 2008 at 03:07 PM

. . . .

Yes Alessandro I agree. The one of him with the horns made him look like a total dick. [Alessandro had said: "You picked a nice picture for your tribute." -- Patterico]

Posted by: Chad | July 12, 2008 at 04:28 PM

All you right wingers would be saying much worse things if the same had happened to Ted Kennedy or Obama – you are nothing but trash and liars just like Snow job was. good riddance to bad rubbish

Posted by: Alan | July 12, 2008 at 04:52 PM

Charming!

This is the sort of filth we would see on Marc Cooper’s Huffington Post. Accordingly, they closed comments, knowing that if they didn’t, they’d see the same ghoulish sort of comments that they had when Dick Cheney faced danger.

By the way, Marc Cooper is an editor at the Huffington Post. I bring this up because Cooper recently denounced my commenters as “bitter, angry and delusional folks.”

I love irony when it’s this ironic.

UPDATE: Andrew Malcolm, the L.A. Times blogger who wrote the post in question, comments below and points out that not all of the comments were ugly — and of course that’s true. I am setting forth the ugly ones here because those are the ones I’m shocked were approved, without any disapproving commentary from the blog proprietors.

Malcolm calls these comments “a very tiny minority of the some 52,000 comments left on The Ticket in recent months” — but they are, unfortunately, a sizable percentage of the comments on this post. I quoted 23 comments above, I believe, out of about 98 — roughly 1/4 of the comments.

I think the paper needs to take a look at its policy on handling comments in situations where a political figure is ill or dies. On my blog, Malcolm calls the comments “vile and despicable.” OK — so why not say that in his own comments section?!?! Maybe that would have discouraged these ghouls.

By the way, here is a another rich vein of unhinged hostility from L.A. Times commenters: the comments to the paper’s obituary. Steel yourself for more ugliness.

85 Responses to “L.A. Times Commenters Joyously Revel in Tony Snow’s Death”

  1. Given that this is the readership, why should I be surprised at the ludicrous, at times, product that is the LAT?

    Ed (d17ceb)

  2. Recklessly impulsive and short sighted children…more or less…

    Andrew (8a94e5)

  3. The black irony is that none of these pissers on Tony’s still warm body would ever use the word “evil” to describe people who blow up buses full of Jews.

    The Left is not just morally bankrupt, it is morally crippled.

    Darleen (187edc)

  4. The locked-out Paint Huffers found a place to vent their spleen, did they?

    What sad excuses for human beings.

    Spiny Norman (16fcc2)

  5. I dunno, Spiny, there must be a lot of them since the spleeny venting is going on at balloon juice, dkos, and carpetbagger, too.

    scratch a Leftist, find a person who believes anyone that disagrees with them deserves a painful death.

    Darleen (187edc)

  6. The Left is full of some very screwed up, very vile, shriveled little souls.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  7. What sad excuses for human beings.

    Objection; assumes facts not in evidence.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  8. Tony Snow was a better person than any of those who disparaged him. I am sure Tony is getting just what he deserved, directly from the God he served. When I read posts like that in the LAT, I am saddened that dueling had been outlawed.

    Zelsdorf Ragshaft III (fddc38)

  9. Sad that Marc Cooper is judging Patterico’s commenters by a few extremists. From what I can see, the proportion of extremists here is far lower, and the proportion of intelligent observations higher, than on the HuffPost, Sadly, No! or similar sites.

    Bradley J Fikes (0ea407)

  10. I second the first comment that this is a representative sample of regular readers of the Times.

    Mike K (b9ce3e)

  11. Hey, I started a live blog! Right now! Check the main page.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  12. I am not delusional!

    Oh, and i am impressed by the deeply religious tone of the nasty commentators – all this talk of hell, et al. May God in his infinite mercy crush their -opps , I lapsed into their territory.

    Californio (728153)

  13. Thanks for your five nice words about our blog post on Tony Snow’s passing. He was a very fine man in a city (and an angry political time) that does not usually suffer people like that.
    The Ticket couldn’t agree with you more about the vile and despicable comments left today by a very tiny minority of the some 52,000 comments left on The Ticket in recent months.
    Fortunately, our active comments section is not about agreeing with us. We have an attitude in many of our items and our readers have their own too, which they share with us and other readers.
    Our Comments section is supposed to reflect a wide range of opinion on our items and on the issues of the day. Thankfully, they do.
    That, with the unpredictability of subject matter and round-the-clock nature of our postings, are some of several reasons why so many millions of readers have visited The Ticket in recent months and pushed it into the world’s Top 160 blogs at the tender age of 13 months.
    As stated, we do moderate the Comments, most often for crude language. Never for whether we agree with them.
    Your listing of rude and even foul comments on our friend’s death, while quite convincing in its repetition, did not really represent the wide range of comments left, including many sympathetic ones and those scolding the abusive posters. I’ll leave just one here: “To those of you who hope he suffered at the end, you should be ashamed of yourselves. Tony Snow was a good man who unfortunately had cancer and died from it.”
    Thanks again for reading our blog and for posting on it. An honor.
    Sincerely, Andrew Malcolm, Top of the Ticket blogger

    Andrew Malcolm (cad14b)

  14. Mr. Malcolm,

    I will update the post to note your comment.

    However, if you think these comments “vile and despicable,” it seems to me that you could say so on your own blog. Maybe that would discourage these ghouls.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  15. Liberals are a very mean bunch of people.

    James (66bbca)

  16. [Comment deleted by guest blogger at Patterico's request.]

    terry mansson (488860)

  17. Juan Williams has a tribute to Tony Snow at Fox Forum. So far no comments though. They argued plenty on Fox, but hung out at games. See under “A Man Who Loved People, the Gritty Nature of Life and All of Human Comedy”.

    Tony sort of reminds me of another Renaissance man, the great physicist Richard Feynman.

    madmax333 (f15bcc)

  18. I just love Andrew Malcolm’s selective math: (my emphasis)

    The Ticket couldn’t agree with you more about the vile and despicable comments left today by a very tiny minority of the some 52,000 comments left on The Ticket in recent months.

    Clever way of obfuscating that the comments about Snow’s demise were a substantial portion of the comments about Snow’s demise.

    Bradley J Fikes (0ea407)

  19. Out of 100 comments when I looked, at least one-third the total were hateful. Andrew Malcolm may wish to take note that is far more than “a very tiny minority”.

    Bradley J Fikes (0ea407)

  20. I think I understand the policy. The LA Times moderates vile and despicable comments if they have obscenity. Comments critical of the LA Times coverage are considered not only vile, despicable, but also obscene, based on past experience.

    daleyrocks (d9ec17)

  21. I think the paper needs to take a look at its policy on handling comments in situations where a political figure is ill or dies. On my blog, Malcolm calls the comments “vile and despicable.” OK — so why not say that in his own comments section?!?! Maybe that would have discouraged these ghouls.

    Patterico, and risk losing the last 20 subscribers they have??? Even ghouls have to eat. Scratch that. Not a good picture to have in one’s head.

    Arnold (1a3b0c)

  22. I guess the Times will do anything to keep their remaining subscribers happy. Of course these comments were moderated and approved!

    People like Marc Cooper, though, will never understand how angry and bitter they sound, because they see themselves as the moral avengers of the world fighting for truth, justice, and the anti-American way.

    Patricia (f56a97)

  23. The whole point is that LAT partisans have explicitly used the comments on blogs to attempt to discredit bloggers while ignoring that their own newspaper’s website visitors are actually worse.

    SPQR (26be8b)

  24. I have to hand it to the Republicans. They certainly can spew the hateful things about people in the Democratic Party but when it has turned on one of their own they are suddenly the moral party. I don’t approve of speaking ill of the dead regardless of what party they hold their beliefs. Tony Snow deserves to recognized as a son, husband and father who has unconditional love from his family and his friends. I feel that he was a pawn in this Bush/Cheney administration but he willingly chose this job to spout their mantra. This administration has proven beyond any doubt that they chose to serve themselves and big corporations and didn’t give a hoot about our country and Americans. Things have never been worse in this country and sadly it only took 8 years to ruin a once great nation. All Republicans please listen up. Your party is fueled by hate. Look at your heroes Ann Coulter, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Riley and Fox News. You want to talk about trash and hateful comments then search no further because the Republicans win the hate mongering prize. If you haven’t been paying attention please go to the website of the Pemberton Township Republican Club in NJ and read their piece comparing Obama to OJ Simpson as it is not only despicable but predictable of your party. Republicans choose to win by slander and disgusting tactics. It is your party that has lowered the standards in the political arena.

    DIANA (b429c3)

  25. Well. Diana certainly showed us! ALL Republicans are evil. The country is the worst it’s ever been.

    Apparently this person was born about 1 day ago and doesn’t like the weather.

    This country was far worse in the 30s or 40s of the last century, or even the 60s of the 19th century.

    Untold millions unemployed in the 30s, with generations of families thrown out of work. There was an existential threat from the far left (commies and their fifth column supporters). Nothing seemed to work to get the economy rolling again.

    The 40s were a time of incredible threats against the US.

    The 19th century saw a civil war with hundreds of thousands of men killed. Slavery convulsed the country.

    And now, a policy disagreement with the current administration makes that all moot, because THIS is the worst we’ve ever been.

    Wake up & smell the coffee perkin’, Diana.

    steve miller (0fb51f)

  26. I don’t think I wish leftists, liberals, and Democrat Party members ill will. I just wish they’d stop complaining and exaggerating. When they say “THIS IS TEH WORST EVAH IN HISTORY” then I discount much of what they say because it isn’t the worst it’s ever been. Hysteria doesn’t prove a point. It weakens it.

    I’d guess that the great majority of the complaints about how bad this country is stem from the very simple reason that the Democrat Party has lost 2 presidential elections in a row against a man who seems to be a mouth-breather. How could someone that dumb shellack Al Gore and John Kerry so thoroughly? To put a twist on what Pauline Kael is alleged to have said, “How can that guy win elections? No one we know can stand him.”

    steve miller (0fb51f)

  27. Yeah worst ever in her short lifetime. Guess her Highness was not around for dem hero jimmy carter’s reign of malaise. Knew plenty of people paying 14% APR for a mortgage, long gas lines on alternate days, wear a sweater and watch that thermomstat, kiss Iranian asses and pee your pants in fear of confronting them about hostages in American Embassy, boycott the Olympics in Moscow (did sooo much good), work to tear about our intelligence gathering capabilities and gutting the military. I could go on and on, but prima donna’s like diana, love6thcentur and levi would just go lalalallalalala I can’t hear you.
    Even if you compare many stats to Clinton’s terms in office, this country is still better off. And I don’t hear libs screaming about the dot.com bubble and nasdaq falling from over 5000 to 1500 or so.
    Say what you will about Dubya, who incidentally bent over backwards to cater to the likes of Fat Teddy K. who nevertheless stabbed him in the back, he tried getting along and gave us crap like prescription drugs for seniors, no child left behind, a vision of open borders and kissing Mexican prez’ asp, etc. And then imagine a war on terror led by “no controlling legal authority” algore. Btw, why didn’t his lardness the goracle and clinton ever do diddley squat about so-called AGW? Why did the Senate in Clinton’s time vote 95-0 AGAINST it? What say you, levi and lovechild?
    Or how about Lurch and the Breck Girl ticket? Can you imagine that NUANCED war “hero” flip flopper leading anything? And hey, we know Diebold stole that election because the exit polls PROVED that john sKerry was walloping Dubya.
    So soon people forget history.

    madmax333 (8f02a3)

  28. Psssssst! My fellow Republicans: ix-nay about the emberton-pay epublican-ray ub-clay . . . our cover is blown! We’re gonna have to find another way to spread hatred and darkness! They’re on to us. Damn!
    /sarc
    get a clue, Diana

    least (afbdcb)

  29. Thanks again for your forum.
    FYI, someone identifying themself as Patterico left a question that wasn’t really a comment on Top of the Ticket (www.latimes.com/topoftheticket ). Presumably a test, it asked if the comments had been closed on the Tony Snow item discussed here. The e-mail address left with that non-comment doesn’t seem to work. So I’ll deliver the answer here personally.
    The answer, of course, is No. We’ve not closed comments on any of our thousands of items because we want the fullest possible discussion, even if some participants are harsh, rude and disrespectful of the dead. We should protect American society from the realization there are many hate-filled souls out there? Their behavior speaks volumes about themselves and is, silently, judged by the vast majority of civil readers.
    Speaking of which, I notice with a large smile from the comment above here, No. 16, which I will copy below, that you have some of the same kind of folks over here speaking harshly and wishing ill to the people who are speaking harshly and wishing ill. Great reading and deliciously hypocritical.

    “just hope you hateful far left liberals with
    your soul so full of hate end up with a painful
    miserable suffering cancer like Tony..you sicken me. Comment by terry mansson — 7/13/2008 @ 2:45am”

    Thanks again.
    Andrew Malcolm, Top of the Ticket blogger

    Andrew Malcolm (cad14b)

  30. Andrew Malcolm,

    Your comparison between the comments at the LA Times’ website (that you apparently moderate) and Terry Mansson’s comment here seems off-base. Patterico has put up several posts and comments on this topic acknowledging that, while he can’t moderate every comment, he condemns comments like these as distasteful and inappropriate.

    You say you agree with Patterico but apparently you aren’t willing to say it at the LA Times’ website. Before you start throwing stones, I suggest you show some fortitude and post at the website you moderate what you think of your readers’ comments.

    DRJ (ec597e)

  31. Furthermore, Mr. Malcolm, I’m sure you noticed that all of your comments at this website posted as soon as you hit SUBMIT COMMENT. That doesn’t happen at the LA Times’ website, does it?

    DRJ (ec597e)

  32. I find it regrettable and frankly somewhat disturbing that Mr. Malcolm has a “large smile” on his face reading terry mansson’s comment.

    I had no such smile on my face reading it, just as you will note no “smiles” reported by commenters on this blog in reaction to the vile comments on your site. But perhaps to someone who puts decency second and partisanship first, U suppose seeing a comment that I could blame on the entire body of people with whom I disagreed, I might get a “large smile” on my face as well. If I misinterpret the reason for your “large smile,” please do let us know.

    I think DRJ and Patterico make a very reasonable point. If you agree that the offending comments are vile (and at last reckoning they were about 1/4 of the comments, a significant number and not just one), Mr. Malcolm, then why not say so at your own blog?

    respectfully,
    “no one you know”

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  33. U = I

    no one you know (1ebbb1)

  34. If you agree that the offending comments are vile (and at last reckoning they were about 1/4 of the comments, a significant number and not just one), Mr. Malcolm, then why not say so at your own blog?

    You don’t tell me what you want to read, I tell you what you want to read. If I want your opinion, I’ll give it to you!

    Andrew Malcolm The Los Angeles Times

    nk (8eafa0)

  35. If Andrew Malcolm is still around, perhaps he’d like to respond to a comment-related complaint about him I left here.

    TLB (078238)

  36. Mr. Malcolm,

    Now that you have called me a hypocrite, I know your surface politeness is merely a cover for a hostility you feel for me. No doubt this began when I caught you and your editors playing hide-the-ball with your post about John Edwards’s affair. No problem. Just so everyone understands that your professions of respect and thanks are bullshit. (Look, profanity!!) I don’t like pretense and I won’t engage in it here.

    I wasn’t present to see your smile, but rest assured, mine is bigger. I have now read for the first time the comment to which you refer (unlike your blog, I don’t require comments to be approved before they are published, and I hadn’t seen this one.) I am smiling because this is a chance to show you how such a situation ought to be handled.

    The comment is gone. It was inappropriate for this blog and I won’t keep it here.

    If the commenter were a long-time commenter, he’d get a lecture. He has built up no credibility, so he is banned.

    That’s how you do it.

    “Thanks” for your accusation of hypocrisy!

    (That’s sarcasm. I won’t pretend to be polite to someone who has baselessly accused me of hypocrisy.)

    Patterico (d9fac2)

  37. Do any of you clueless, myopic, hysterical reich-wingers have ANY idea how utterly hypocritical you are?

    Well, being fans of the dumbest (and cruelest) imbecile ever to besmirch the White House might help explain it …

    BigIslandDave (ac8aad)

  38. Oh, and it’s Democratic Party, you English-challenged illiterates. The oldest political party in the nation — and the only one to bring true salutary change to our citizenry over the decades.

    I guess I could start calling your wretched political entity the “Republic Party.” Makes about as much sense, eh?

    Grow up.

    BigIslandDave (ac8aad)

  39. Makes about as much sense, eh?

    Not really. You’re a Democrat, but I’m not a Republic. See how that works?

    Patterico (cb443b)

  40. Nice try.

    OK, once again for all of you conservatives with acute arrested development and gross historical ignorance:

    It’s the Democratic Party. Using the other label is just puerile, immature childishness. Surely that can’t be your aim, can it? Oh, sure, it does get a rise out of us, because it just demonstrates how moronic some of our detractors can be.

    Feel free, all of you, to join the reality-based community. And remember: Facts, and the truth, have a liberal bias.

    Good day!

    BigIslandDave (ac8aad)

  41. Oh, sure, it does get a rise out of us . . .

    Now why would I want to do that (he asked innocently)?

    Patterico (cb443b)

  42. Patterico – Big Island Dave is a troll, as well as an idiot who can only regurgitate his party’s talking points.

    As for Malcom, it’s telling that his only recourse is to attempt to compare vile comments, as though finding 1 out of 40 releases the Times from any responsibility to patrol their site. Nice job shutting him down.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  43. And you, Apogee, don’t frequently and faithfully regurgitate all of the GOP’s invective, innuendo and misinformation?

    Pot, kettle. Kettle, pot.

    Swift Boating, anyone?

    You knuckle-draggers never fail to amaze …

    BigIslandDave (ac8aad)

  44. Last comment to the retard. BID – Lumping all conservatives together with Bush and making a comparison to the third reich is so unbelievably unoriginal that one would think that your ‘big island’ is about 7 years in the past, not just 3 hours.

    Your very sub-par and predictable commenting makes another troll here (whose name starts with an L) seem attuned and eloquent. That’s not a compliment.

    Apogee (366e8b)

  45. I guess I could start calling your wretched political entity the “Republic Party.” Makes about as much sense, eh?

    As Patterico already noted, no, it doesn’t, but so what? Go ahead, enlist all your fellow “Democratics” to start calling us Republics instead of Republicans. Do you really think we’d friggin’ care? [That's a rhetorical question BTW. Of course we wouldn't care, because unlike you and your fellow "Democratics," we have lives.]

    Feel free, all of you, to join the reality-based community. And remember: Facts, and the truth, have a liberal bias.

    In a twisted sense, that’s actually true. Everyone has some bias, of course, but most are circumspect to recognize, at least at an intellectual level, that “the truth” as we perceive it and “the truth with a capital T” are not the same thing. The few who are too self-absorbed and deluded to recognize the difference (or even that there is a difference) between perception and reality are, almost without exception, liberals.

    Xrlq (b71926)

  46. Where were all the nasty comments from Republicans when Tim Russert (RIP) died?

    Eowyn (468373)

  47. Malcolm comments to say he wasn’t calling me a hypocrite, just my commenter.

    I’m certainly glad he cleared that up, since, judging from the comments above, I’m not the only one who took it as an attack on me, and/or a suggestion that this blog was equally guilty as his of greenlighting filth.

    I will say to him that I don’t really see the importance of demonstrating that there are anonymous assholes on the Internet. I think we can take that as a given, and let the issue be this: to what extent do we want to enable them?

    The answer to that question is not as a simple as it might sound when phrased that way, since free and open expression is a value. It’s just not the only value, in my view.

    Patterico (cb443b)

  48. Of course, free and open expression is a value. But that doesn’t mean you should be intellectually bludgeoned into hosting stuff that violates your standards of conduct. Part of free and open expression is the right not to give a platform to statements you find noxious. The haters have the right to get their own blog for that.

    Bradley J Fikes (0ea407)

  49. Big Island Dave,

    There is nothing Democratic about the Democrat party. You and everyother Democrat prove that daily.

    PCD (5c49b0)

  50. Madmax, if you think 14% APR was high for the Jimmy Carter era, you were sheltered. I saw 20% nominal interest rates on homes. At one point, my partner built a custom home in a new section. There were custom homes being built on either side of him and all three finished about the same time. The two on either side immediately went into foreclosure because the owners could not qualify for the 20% interest rate on a 500,000 dollar home loan. The rates had gone up so fast while they built the homes that they lost them before they moved in and both families were prosperous. They just couldn’t afford a $20,000 a month house payment.

    Mike K (2cf494)

  51. Shoot…if any political figure is fitting of a spot in hell, it’s Obama. Thou shalt not lie. Thou shalt not distrbute the wealth of thine electorate unto the meek and poor for no reason other than to get some votes.

    DJk (378bb8)

  52. Just one more reason that I was right to cancel my subscription to this so-called newspaper 25 years ago.

    Creepy, vicious, and disgusting.

    trentk269 (3d3bfe)

  53. #50 Mike K
    Oh, I believe that. I just didn’t know many people who even qualified for a mortgage at any rate. Mine was a mere 9.5% in 1974, but wasn’t easy getting a mortgage.
    During the Carter reign of ruin, I recall borrowing cash on my credit card at 12% and putting it in a money market fund at 18%. That didn’t last very long.
    I really feel for the poor bankers now with the talk of possibly 150 banks failing. Yet they pay miniscule savings rates and gouge some people in excess of 30% on credit card APRs. Boo hoo. Of course the taxpayers generally bail out those institutions that face the risk of big profits but not losses.

    madmax333 (e17a7a)

  54. I will say to him that I don’t really see the importance of demonstrating that there are anonymous assholes on the Internet. I think we can take that as a given, and let the issue be this: to what extent do we want to enable them?

    What do you mean enable? What do we have to worry about if we enable ‘anonymous assholes on the internet?’

    Levi (74ca1f)

  55. Interesting, the number of comments suggesting he’s in hell. How much do you want to bet that none of the people who made that observation would admit, under other circumstances, that they even believe in hell?

    If there’s ever a man who we can be assured is not in hell, it’s Snow. He was a Christian with a heart of gold.

    Plumb Bob (c0e659)

  56. What else should we expect from the intolerant party of hate?

    Spank (7e8fdc)

  57. For a contrast, see Free Republic’s coverage of Ted Kennedy’s cancer diagnosis: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2018816/posts

    I count 5 of 63 comments removed by the moderator.

    Kudos to Ann Coulter, our “hero fueled by hate” (Diana’s comment #24) for pointing out on her website this discrepancy in liberal/conservative classiness.

    Chris (065a0a)

  58. [Comment deleted by guest blogger at Patterico's request.]

    seamus (551f8e)

  59. What a sad and ugly reflection of twisted and unhealthy minds.
    You can’t even separate issues and people.
    I cannot stand Barack’s positions on key issues, but I would never wish him to get cancer or be shot.
    You need to take a long hard look at what you are wishing for and how you represent yourselves. Disgusting!

    Tom Wilkinson (c28d1a)

  60. < the nasty comments about Tony Snow are to be expected because you need to consider the source. These are the liberals we need to rescue America from. These people are so lost, such easy prey for any stupidity that comes along, they don’t believe in anything and they fall for anything, they are the same bullies as adults as they were as children and when everyone turns from them, they’ll be angry – how dare anyone leave them? Each liberal is as predictable as the next. God bless Tony and his family. God save America from the modern day ‘compassionate and peaceful hate monger – the liberal left’

    Barb (610a81)

  61. Today’s so-called “liberals” find it very easy to criticize and personally insult anyone who challenges them to think, or to back up their statements or their trendy, “flavor-of-the-day” opinions with fact. They must think others share their miserable, purposeless, meaningless existence, since they seem to think that the nastier their insults, the more shrill their pathetically stupid rantings, the more intelligent and morally superior they must appear to others. Tony Snow lived an inspiring life, and he did more living in his relatively brief life than they could possibly ever match or even comprehend.

    BigByrdMan (529c20)

  62. this is the most disgusting thing i have ever read. just because you’re too fucking stupid to understand the bush administration’s policy doesn’t mean you should wish suffering on anyone. all you fucking liberals pride yourself in being a member of the party of “peace” and “open-mindededness” but you are all hypocrites. you want to save the fucking trees and the elk in ANWR but you are wish that a human being who has never done anything to any of you suffers from cancer and burns in hell. are you serious? what is wrong with all of you godless idiots? do all of you wish the same fate on everyone you disagree with?
    democrats in america are the most negative people ON EARTH. you fight for the rights of terrorists who were indirectly responsible for murdering thousands of YOUR fellow citizens, but you wish tony snow would have suffered a little longer? of course you do! all of you want america to lose just so your ridiculous claim that george bush is a failure can be supported and all of you are fucking disgusting for that. i am extremely conservative but i am praying for ted kennedy and his family even though i think he has a horrible character. all of you liberals need to read a history book and take economics 101 if you think you want barack obama to be your next president. this country will go to complete shit if you put barack obama in the white house, and he will only get there because of dumbasses like all of you. liberals will be the downfall of american society because that is precisely the direction in which they wish this county will go. God Bless America, Tony Snow, and George Bush. Oh yeah, and go fuck yourselves.

    Lauren (04625b)

  63. Cleanup on #58.

    Dana (f3e2a8)

  64. #62 You go, girl! But if I read your missive with a liberal mindset, I then have to say lalalalala, I can’t hear you OR tell you that you are evil, stupid, lack compassion and are getting fat financially on the backs of the poor.

    I agree with you 100%, but will America wake up in time?

    madmax333 (ab6903)

  65. Poor poor modern day liberals. They are kind of like Winnie The Pooh – only evil. They try to think think think but nothing happens. So they are left with just anger and vitriol to attack their opponents or to support there cause (which by the way is socialism at all costs and we know that means destroy America as the founder fathers envisioned it).

    If we were to line up famous socialist against famous conservatives what a matchup it would be.

    Lets try:

    On the socialist team we have: Mao Tse-Tung, Joseph Stalin, Hitler, Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, Franklin D Roosevelt, Neville Chamberlain, Harry Reid, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Lindburg, Rousseau, Karl Marx ….

    On the conservative team we have: Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Adam Smith, John Locke, Newt Gingrich, Milton Friedman, Tony Snow

    Wow!!! No wonder the don’t want to have a good honest debate. You’d have to be a mental deficient to pick their team as your own.

    Yep – mental deficients – that’s exactly what they are. Tony Snow was as gracious and intelligent as these mindless gnats are vicious and stupid.

    Give me the peace of mind that Tony Snow had to dela with these haters. I know I need all the self control I can muster.

    mac5iron (26d9df)

  66. Poor poor modern day liberals. They are kind of like Winnie The Pooh – only evil. They try to think, think, think but nothing happens. So they are left with just anger and vitriol to attack their opponents or to support their cause (which by the way is socialism at all costs – and we know that means destroy America as the founding fathers envisioned it).

    If we were to line up famous socialist against famous conservatives what a matchup it would be.

    Lets try:

    On the socialist team we have: Mao Tse-Tung, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Woodrow Wilson, Jimmy Carter, Franklin D Roosevelt, Neville Chamberlain, Harry Reid, John Murtha, Nancy Pelosi, Charles Lindburg, Rousseau, Karl Marx ….

    On the conservative team we have: Ronald Reagan, Barry Goldwater, Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, John Adams, Adam Smith, John Locke, Newt Gingrich, Milton Friedman, Tony Snow …

    Wow!!! No wonder they don’t want to have a good honest debate. You’d have to be a mental deficient to pick their team as your own.

    Yep – mental deficients – that’s exactly what they are. Tony Snow was as gracious and intelligent as these mindless gnats are vicious and stupid.

    God give me the peace of mind that Tony Snow had to deal with these haters. I know I need all the self control I can muster.

    Amen

    mac5iron (26d9df)

  67. Lauren! Way to go! All you liberals suck. You hate this country. Instead of leaving it, you stay to destroy it. You all think you know better than everyone else, but you are actually morons. Tony Snow was a wonderful human being. Something none of you would know about. In fact, as soon as the nasty comments start coming from the left about anyone, you can bet they were honorable. What a dysfunctional bunch of losers.

    Dianne (7d33b0)

  68. WHAT HAPPENED TO COMPASSIONATE LIBERALS. YOU PEOPLE ARE MORONS. MAYBE BILL CLINTON WILL BE NEXT. I KNOW THE WOMEN HE RAPPED HOPE FOR THAT.

    Brian Kern (8f7a31)

  69. How incongruous is it that these hate mongers are anti-war peace-niks? I’d like to know how they justify their bloodlust in the name of peace and understanding. It sounds like these deranged people would gleefully resort to physical torture against anyone not holding their beliefs. Perhaps they’d feel better if they went to Afghanistan and helped the terrorist effort to destroy the evil Americans.

    cindy graham (4a96e0)

  70. These kinds of insults are really par for the course for today’s liberals. I’m not surprised.

    This kind of filth is absolutely disgusting – and it’s VERY ironic that the left would accuse conservatives of hypocrisy when it is the LEFT that constantly promotes itself as being tolerant and open-minded and then posts close-minded, ignorant, and intolerant comments about a man who is no longer here to defend himself.

    This is just another example of the left taking pot shots at somebody they don’t like. That is the left’s favorite way of approaching things – because they know that if they were to actually face the person head on, they wouldn’t stand a chance.

    Tony Snow, RIP.

    Abe (615cfd)

  71. Those who target and defame Tony Snow in his passing are exposed for who and what they are in life. No one with any real compassion or intelligence will take these people seriously. There simply is no need for a verbal attack response that mirrors their foolish and inhumane like comments. Most clear thinking Americans can separate an appreciation for someone’s personal bravery and integrity with a political difference of opinion. These apparently very angry souls are simply products of partisan politics, encouraged by the elite liberal media and wealthy far left cooperate sponsors and ideologues who seek out the easily manipulated and emotionally charged and needy to promote their causes. The tremendous rage in these comments and others like them only reaffirms the radical nature of their thinking . The most effective response to this nasty rhetoric and all of theses despicable personal attacks on those with whom they differ, is to financially destroy the LA Times and as many other influential leaders and businesses that encourage this classless behavior, so that they may no longer platform the very hateful thinking that they claims to oppose.

    Karen (d671ab)

  72. It’s funny how the liberals only believe in Hell when they fantasize about good men like Tony Snow burning in it. Murderering racists and cop-killers can write a children’s book and be forgiven for their crimes. But have a different political viewpoint than a “compassionate” left-wing moonbat and you deserve to burn in Hell for all eternity.

    Larry (a21e7c)

  73. It’s so funny, seeing this post out of my periferal vision all day and finally having a chance to read it. I thought all along that the L.A. times themselves were saying these awful things about Tony Snow. My God people, it’s comments…….comments. Much like Patternico has nothing to do with what I’m about to write.
    Liberals, lefties, moombats, whatever you choose to call us are not all like the people in the L.A. Times comments.
    Some of them like myself disagreed with most of what Tony Snow had to say and is saddened by his death. I liked him because he had the guts to go on shows like Bill Maher and The Daily Show. I wish some liberals would have those type of guts as well.

    Oiram (983921)

  74. Tony Snow is a truly inspirational great American, and I and all my family will truly miss him. God bless his wife and children, and grant them peace.

    As for the sinister left’s comments…Stupidity has a price here and now, but evil’s price is eternal.

    Edith O'Brien (f9a79f)

  75. i have been around fronm the woodstock era, bob dylan , joni mitchell, joan baez, beatles etc. loved them all. good people. the liberals of today do not have a brain only a tongue.

    g. slate (c36902)

  76. My God people, it’s comments…….comments. Much like Patternico has nothing to do with what I’m about to write.

    Except for one thing. The comments at the LAT are moderated, which means that someone had to actually approve of the message before it is seen on their site. Patterico’s comments are not moderated.

    That means that any hateful thing that appears on the LAT website does so with their full approval.

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)

  77. hey mad max you from vermont

    glate (c36902)

  78. As was so well put by another — liberalism is the philosophy of the stupid. Just read the above.

    Danny (5a8096)

  79. Comment by BigIslandDave — 7/14/2008 @ 12:32 am

    “Well, being fans of the dumbest (and cruelest) imbecile ever to besmirch the White House might help explain it …”

    And Bush is the guy we beat the best you Democrat(ics) had to offer, twice.

    (one was a Nobel Peace Prize winner to boot).

    Chicken Sock Puppet (f6b601)

  80. Hey dave,
    He didn’t win twice. Look it up. And one wasn’t a Nobel Peace Prize winner. His wife was in the PMRC, and that’s why I voted against G.O.R.E.
    Maui No Ka Oi

    steve (db1bfc)

  81. Reading the comments by the leftists that probably sit in the front row of Church, oh yeah, they don’t go to Church do they!! The only people that will rot in hell are the left and right jerks that have no respect for deceased people not matter how much you hate them in life.
    Pray even though you dont go to Church, you also could be the one burning!!

    Bob (865c91)

  82. As deplorable as it seems, it is free speech. Sadly, liberals use up and select their “free speech” much like they do in their selection of life.

    Tony Snow’s death is one to rejoice for them. Jerry Falwell was another one they rejoiced over. Not to mention the millions of babies murdered since the legislation of Roe v. Wade.

    They cried over Al Zarqawi, Saddam Hussein, and Tookie Williams. The MSM releases a video of a 17 year old man; who helped Al Queda, crying “help me!” and liberals suddenly think he’s Orphan Annie.

    When it comes to all – speech, sex, life, and death, it is scientific fact: Republicans make better choices!

    Steve (46c914)

  83. all those who made those vile comments about tony snow remind me of the “greeseman’s remarks years ago commenting on the proposed holiday for martin luther king..”if they’s shoot four more we could have the entire week off”….same ilk

    tom davidson (1d94d6)

  84. The left wingers are the real reason the country is in the shape it’s in. They take God out of the country, they think a moron with half a sex change operation having a baby is a miracle, they want to give SS benefits to illegal aliens, they LOVE porn and don’t know the difference betwixt a man and a woman. And if you’ve noticed, the so-called liberal states are the biggest police states.

    Mike (a49192)

  85. A liberal is a person who sees a 14 year-old girl performing a live sex act on stage and wonders whether she is getting paid the minimum wage. — Irving Kristol

    Drumwaster (5ccf59)


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