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7/21/2023

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:55 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item:

Judge Cannon sets the date:

A federal judge in Florida has scheduled a trial date for next May for former President Donald Trump in a case charging him with illegally retaining hundreds of classified documents.

The May 20, 2024, trial date, set Friday by U.S. District Judge Aileen Cannon, is a compromise between a request from prosecutors to set the trial for this December and a bid by defense lawyers to put it off indefinitely until sometime after the 2024 presidential election.

Judge Cannon wrote:

In pushing back the trial from the Dec. 11 start date that the Justice Department had asked for, Cannon wrote that “the Government’s proposed schedule is atypically accelerated and inconsistent with ensuring a fair trial.” She agreed with defense lawyers that the amount of evidence that would need to be sifted through before the trial, including classified information, was “voluminous.”

“The Court finds that the interests of justice served by this continuance outweigh the best interest of the public and Defendants in a speedy trial,” Cannon wrote.

(Clearly, this benefits Trump with regard to the primary races. And if he becomes the Republican nominee, another delay would also benefit him with a national election on the horizon…)

Second news item

The genocide continues:

Russia warned on Wednesday that it would consider any ship sailing around Ukrainian ports a military target, days after Moscow pulled out of a yearlong deal that had enabled Kyiv to export its grain across the Black Sea despite a wartime blockade.

Russia’s moves have profound implications for the export of Ukraine’s grain, a commodity vital for its own economy and world grain markets.

Ukrainian ports targeted by Russia:

Since Monday’s announcement, Russia has launched a series of nightly aerial attacks on Ukrainian ports, killing and wounding civilians. On Wednesday, an attack in Chornomorsk, just south of Odesa, also destroyed 60,000 tons of grain waiting to be loaded onto ships. That is enough to feed more than 270,000 people for a year, according to the World Food Program…The aerial attacks appeared to reinforce Russia’s decision to end the deal and its refusal to allow Ukrainian exports via the Black Sea.

The report notes that the Black Sea deal was a lifeline for Ukrainian farmers.

Meanwhile, thoughts on Ukraine’s predicament:

Ukraine reciprocates to Russia’s threat to Black Sea vessels: Ships to/from Russian and temporarily occupied Ukrainian ports are now valid military targets.

This tit-for-tat situation is intriguing; Russia threatens Ukrainian ships, Ukraine responds similarly.
The formal statement by the military of defense of Ukraine reads:

The Russian Federation has once again blatantly violated the universal right to free navigation and deliberately undermined food security, condemning millions of people to starvation. By openly threatening civilian vessels transporting food from Ukrainian ports, launching missile attacks and drone attacks on civilian infrastructure in peaceful cities, deliberately creating a military threat on trade routes, the Kremlin has turned the Black Sea into a danger zone, primarily for Russian vessels and vessels sailing in the Black Sea towards Russian seaports and Ukrainian seaports located on the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia. Responsibility for all risks lies entirely with the Russian leadership. The fate of the Moskva cruiser proves that the Ukrainian Defense Forces have the necessary means to repel Russian aggression at sea.

The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine warns that starting from 00:00 on July 21, 2023, all vessels sailing in the Black Sea in the direction of the seaports of the Russian Federation and Ukrainian seaports located in the territory of Ukraine temporarily occupied by Russia may be considered by Ukraine as carrying military cargo with all the corresponding risks.

In addition, shipping in the areas of the North-Eastern Black Sea and the Kerch-Yenikal Strait of Ukraine is prohibited as dangerous, starting from 05:00 on July 20, 2023. The relevant navigational information for mariners has already been published.

So, Ukraine basically says “Russia back to you”. This how Russia should be handled. If Russia is at war and thinks it can do whatever it wants in the Black Sea without consequences, it will be proved wrong.

Third news item

More contentious school board meetings:

Chino Valley Unified teachers must tell parents if their child identifies as transgender under a fiercely debated policy approved by the school board late Thursday, July 20.

The 4-1 vote in favor of the notification rule came at the end of a contentious, four-hour meeting that at one point saw the ejection of state Superintendent of Schools Tony Thurmond, who was led away by security officers to shouts of “kick him out.”

The policy introduced in June requires schools to notify parents in writing within three days after their child identifies as transgender, is involved in violence or talks about suicide. Under the policy, schools will notify parents if their child seeks to change their name or pronouns or asks for access to gender-based sports, bathrooms or changing rooms that do not match their assigned gender at birth.

Before his removal from the meeting, Thurmond told the board “the policy you consider tonight may not only fall outside of privacy laws but may put our students at risk.”

School board President Sonja Shaw kicked him out after she said he continued to speak beyond his allotted one minute.

“Tony Thurmond, I appreciate you being here, but we are here because of people like you,” Shaw said.

It’s indefensible that school officials would not notify parents immediately if they discovered that someone’s child had been discussing suicide. FFS, who is the parent here: school officials or the actual damn parent? Moreover, according to the CDC, suicide is the second-leading cause of death for teens and young adults, thus a three-day delay in notification to the parents could mean the difference between life and death for a young person who is hurting and feeling desperate. Shame on these officials.

Fourth news item

More border conflict:

The Justice Department told Texas Thursday that it intends to file legal action against the placement of floating barriers in the Rio Grande as part of the state’s operation along the Texas-Mexico border, according to sources familiar and a letter obtained by CNN.

The Justice Department sent the letter to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott Thursday, according to the letter, though there is time for the state to respond.

“The State of Texas’s actions violate federal law, raise humanitarian concerns, present serious risks to public safety and the environment, and may interfere with the federal government’s ability to carry out its official duties,” the letter stated, citing a clause in the law that “prohibits the creation of any obstruction to the navigable capacity of waters of the United States, and further prohibits building any structure in such waters without authorization from the United States Army Corps of Engineers (“Corps”).”

The danger of the buoys is increased by additional placement of razor wire against them. See photo here.

Additionally, a Department of Public Safety trooper calls the situation “inhumane”:

According to the email, a pregnant woman having a miscarriage was found late last month caught in the wire, doubled over in pain. A four-year-old girl passed out from heat exhaustion after she tried to go through it and was pushed back by Texas National Guard soldiers. A teenager broke his leg trying to navigate the water around the wire and had to be carried by his father.

The email, which the trooper sent to a superior, suggests that Texas has set “traps” of razor wire-wrapped barrels in parts of the river with high water and low visibility. And it says the wire has increased the risk of drownings by forcing migrants into deeper stretches of the river.

The trooper called for a series of rigorous policy changes to improve safety for migrants, including removing the barrels and revoking the directive on withholding water.

Fifth news item

For godsake, Alabama, it’s 2023!!!:

There’s a power struggle in Newbern, Alabama, and the rural town’s first Black mayor is at war with the previous administration who he says locked him out of Town Hall.

After years of racist harassment and intimidation, Patrick Braxton is fed up, and in a federal civil rights lawsuit he is accusing town officials of conspiring to deny his civil rights and his position because of his race.

“When I first became mayor, [a white woman told me] the town was not ready for a Black mayor,” Braxton recalls.

The town is 85% Black, and 29% of Black people here live below the poverty line.

Two years ago, Braxton says he was the only volunteer firefighter in his department to respond to a tree fire near a Black person’s home in the town of 275 people. As Braxton, 57, actively worked to put out the fire, he says, one of his white colleagues tried to take the keys to his fire truck to keep him from using it.

In another incident, Braxton, who was off duty at the time, overheard an emergency dispatch call for a Black woman experiencing a heart attack. He drove to the fire station to retrieve the automated external defibrillator, or AED machine, but the locks were changed, so he couldn’t get into the facility. He raced back to his house, grabbed his personal machine, and drove over to the house, but he didn’t make it in time to save her. Braxton wasn’t able to gain access to the building or equipment until the Hale County Emergency Management Agency director intervened, the lawsuit said.

“I have been on several house fires by myself,” Braxton says. “They hear the radio and wouldn’t come. I know they hear it because I called dispatch, and dispatch set the tone call three or four times for Newbern because we got a certain tone.”

This has become the new norm for Braxton ever since he became the first Black mayor of his hometown in 2020. For the past three years, he’s been fighting to serve and hold on to the title of mayor, first reported by Lee Hedgepeth, a freelance journalist based in Alabama.

Not only has he been locked out of the town hall and fought fires alone, but he’s been followed by a drone and unable to retrieve the town’s mail and financial accounts, he says. Rather than concede, Haywood “Woody” Stokes III, the former white mayor, along with his council members, reappointed themselves to their positions after ordering a special election that no one knew about.

Read the whole thing.

Sixth news item

What a disgrace she is:

Republican Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene said she was “uncomfortable” showing nude photos of President Joe Biden’s son Hunter in Congress but that “the American people deserve to see” them.

Greene used a House Oversight Committee hearing on Wednesday to hold up photos that purportedly showed Hunter Biden having sex with prostitutes.

The images clearly depict Biden nude and engaging in sex, but use black boxes to obscure his genitals and the faces of the people who aren’t Biden.

She said the pictures would help Americans hold the government accountable, telling the show “Rob Schmitt Tonight”: “This is actually the evidence that I believe the American people deserve to see. Because when the American people can see this evidence, as uncomfortable as it was for me to show it on the Oversight Committee today, I believe that’s how they can hold this government accountable.”

WTF

Seventh news item

Rest in peace to one of the greats:

Tony Bennett, the master pop vocalist who had a professional career spanning eight decades with a No. 1 album at age 85, died on Friday morning in New York City. He was 96.

Bennett was diagnosed with Alzheimer’s disease in 2016, but had continued to perform and record through 2021.

His peer Frank Sinatra called him the greatest popular singer in the world. His recordings – most of them made for Columbia Records, which signed him in 1950 – were characterized by ebullience, immense warmth, vocal clarity and emotional openness. A gifted and technically accomplished interpreter of the Great American Songbook, he may be best known for his signature 1962 hit “I Left My Heart in San Francisco.”

Have a lovely weekend.

–Dana

443 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (560c99)

  2. I would sooner vote for Donald Trump for President than I would vote for Tony Thurmond for State Superintendent of Elections Education. Not that there is any plausible chance of either happening, but an infinitesimally small probability (Trump) is greater than zero probability (Thurmond).

    JVW (1ad43e)

  3. A conundrum but now the not quite “H”e has to choose sides:
    https://www.thecooldown.com/green-business/rolling-coal-driver-video-truck-tesla-pickup/

    urbanleftbehind (d76791)

  4. More on Item #2:

    Russia has laid sea mines in the Black Sea that could interfere with Ukrainian grain exports, the White House announced Wednesday.

    The new mines could be used to justify future attacks against civilian ships and blame Ukraine, the National Security Council said in a statement to USNI News
    ………
    “ In connection with the cessation of the functioning of the Black Sea Grain Initiative and the сlosing of the maritime humanitarian corridor, from 00.00 Moscow time on 20 July 2023, all vessels sailing in the waters of the Black Sea to Ukrainian ports will be regarded as potential carriers of military cargo,” reads a message the MoD issued on the social messaging platform Telegram.
    “Accordingly, the countries of such vessels will be considered to be involved in the Ukrainian conflict on the side of the Kyiv regime.”

    The National Security Council said in the statement that it believes Russia may target the civilian ships in future attacks in addition to recent bombing in Odessa that hit grain supplies.

    Under international law, the declaration allows Russian forces to board and search ships suspected of transporting arms, James Kraska, a maritime law expert and one of the author of the Newport Manual of the Law of Naval Warfare, told USNI News on Wednesday.

    “Russia has a right to do that under the law of visit and search,” he said.
    “They’re entitled to visit ships and board them to see if there are any weapons on board.”

    However, if the ships are Ukrainian-flagged, they can be captured as a war prize.

    “It doesn’t make them targets,” Kraska said.
    ……….
    “What you’re seeing is an escalation on the Black Sea, and the fear is that if Russia hits ships sailing to Ukraine, what is to prevent Ukraine from hitting ships sailing from Russia?” (said Sal Mercogliano, an associate professor at Campbell University.) “And then you have a full-fledged commerce war between Ukraine and Russia targeting largely neutral third world nation ships, sailing carrying food, fuel and fertilizer.”

    There is a chance that there could be armed escorts to protect merchant ships, but the question is who would provide them, Mercogliano said. Turkey closed the Bosphorus Strait to any warships from non-Black Sea from entering the Black Sea.
    …………
    “The question is how much would a nation want to get involved? You know, we just deployed a destroyer, and F-35s and F-16s to protect merchant ships coming out of the Straits of Hormuz by Iranian attacks,” Mercogliano said. “Yet we seem like we’re not going to do the same for ships in the Black Sea.”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  5. I would sooner vote for Donald Trump for President than I would vote for Tony Thurmond for State Superintendent of Elections.

    Since I believe you live in California (as do I), voting for Trump is a cost-free exercise. However, Tony Thurmond is the State Superintendent of Public Instruction, and was reelected in 2022. And there is no office called State Superintendent of Elections.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  6. More on Item 2: Flashback to May 2022:

    ……… The world needs a strategy to break Russia’s blockade of Ukrainian ports so it can export food and other goods, and that probably means a plan to use warships to escort merchant ships out of the Black Sea.
    ………
    ………Army Gen. Jack Keane suggests an international food and commercial escort operation may be needed, led by the U.S. This is best planned and pitched as a humanitarian operation. The mission would be to form an international coalition of warships to escort commercial vessels safely out of Odessa and the Black Sea. This would work as a coalition of the willing, and not a North Atlantic Treaty Organization project that would let Mr. Putin claim it is another NATO provocation.
    ………
    There are military risks. One is from mines that Ukraine has laid to dissuade a Russian naval assault on Odessa. But the U.S. has ships with de-mining capability.

    Some critics will claim an escort mission would be too risky as a naval version of a “no-fly zone.” But it is much different. The escort ships would stick to international waters. They would not be denying those waters to Russian ships, but only ensuring that commercial vessels can travel safely. This is justified under the long-time British and then American roles in guaranteeing open international sea lanes. No military engagement would be needed if Russia doesn’t interfere.

    The U.S. has marshalled allies for such a mission twice in recent decades. In the late 1980s the U.S. reflagged and protected Kuwaiti oil tankers as they sailed out of the Persian Gulf during the Iran-Iraq tanker war. The Trump Administration led a similar if more modest coalition in 2019 to protect oil tankers moving through the Strait of Hormuz.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  7. Re Sixth News Item:

    It was not only dog vomit Marjorie Taylor-Greene. The dog vomit committee chairman could have stopped her. Or the dog vomit majority of the committee could have stopped her.

    nk (88577c)

  8. JVW:

    Please disregard my comment at #5. Sorry.

    Wish we had an editing function.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  9. I saw Tony Bennett at Boston’s Symphony Hall in March of 1994. He had just recorded an album of songs made famous by Fred Astaire in his many movies, and he and his small combo put on a wonderful performance. He continued recording and performing for many years after that, unfortunately to the point where his voice had clearly diminished and the show was more about nostalgia for a long-gone era than it was about contemporary artistry. But he’s left behind some really wonderful recordings for us to enjoy for years to come. For what it’s worth, here are my favorites:

    Because of You (1951, his first number one hit)

    Blue Velvet (1951, the first and best version of this old standard)

    Rags to Riches (1953, another number one hit, used to great effect in the movie Goodfellas)

    Once Upon a Time (1962, recorded the same day as “I Left My Heart in San Francisco” and the flip side — and superior side as far as I am concerned — of that single)

    I Wanna Be Around (1963, maybe my favorite Tony Bennett recording, song by Johnny Mercer and Sadie Vimmerstedt, a Johnny Mercer fan who gave him the great opening line to the song)

    The Good Life (1963, another favorite of mine)

    When Joanna Loved Me (1963, one of Tony Bennett’s favorites, and the origin of the name of his daughter)

    As the age of the professional songwriter started to fade and popular music came to be more dominated by singer-songwriters, Tony Bennett started covering more song already popularized by singers such as Frank Sinatra and Nat King Cole, as well as the requisite songs from Motown and Abbey Road. But in 1994, the year I saw him, he released the Fred Astaire tribute album and it contained two of my all-time favorite songs of his: Alan Jay Lerner and Burton Lane’s You’re All the World to Me from Royal Wedding, and They All Laughed, written by the Gershwin Brothers for Shall We Dance. Besides Tony’s excellent voice, the album benefits greatly from the excellent work of the Ralph Sharon Trio: Doug Richeson on bass, Clayton Cameron on drums, and the eponymous group’s leader on piano. The penultimate track on the album is a version of the song which so perfectly describes Tony Bennett’s career: That’s Entertainment.

    He was a combat veteran of the Second World War, a staunch supporter of Civil Rights and, disappointingly, many silly left-wing causes, but he was a patriot and a man who always came across as seriously grateful for his fans and for the country which made him rich and famous. May he rest in peace.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  10. Please disregard my comment at #5. Sorry.

    Ah yes, I see my mistake there. I’ll see if through the magic of administrative privileges I can correct it while still acknowledging the original mistake.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  11. Texas is finding that immigration enforcement is hard (and expensive):

    ………..
    This week, (Operation Lone Star) was in the public eye for reports of inhumane treatment of migrants. In a July 3 email, reviewed by The Wall Street Journal, a trooper and medic raised concerns to his superiors, saying troopers and Guard members on the operation were instructed to push a nursing mother back into the river, to deny water to migrants even in extreme heat and to block a 4-year-old who was trying to cross coils of razor wire, from reaching shore. The email, earlier reported by the Houston Chronicle, detailed instances of injury that included a pregnant woman entangled in the wire having a miscarriage and numerous severe lacerations.

    The program’s efficacy is also under question. The area of the border most heavily targeted by Operation Lone Star has seen the most rapid increases in illegal border crossings in the state since the operation began. Thousands of arrests by state troopers under the program have been unrelated to border security, and instead netted U.S. citizens hundreds of miles from the border. Arrests of migrants trespassing on private property have generally not affected their immigration cases, and courts have found many of the arrests made in the first two years to be discriminatory and invalidated them.

    Despite the flood of resources, the added arrests by Operation Lone Star personnel in that section of the border amount to about 1% of the encounters there by Border Patrol in the same time frame, or about 11,000 added to the Border Patrol’s 850,000.
    ………..
    Still, with more than $9.5 billion spent and allocated through 2025, Texas is doubling down on its strategy.
    ………..
    The operation, announced in the summer of 2021 amid a historic upswing of illegal border crossings, aimed to take a new approach at deterring migration by arresting migrants on low-level state charges. Texas can’t enforce federal immigration law, but it can impose misdemeanor charges on people for crossing the private property of ranchers along the border who choose to participate.
    ………..
    The arrests quickly overwhelmed courts in rural counties. Arrests in 2021 and 2022 were thrown out by judges who ruled them to be discriminatory because only men were targeted. The state started including some women late last year. Some of the arrested migrants, who would have been deported immediately by Border Patrol under the pandemic-era policy Title 42, were instead allowed to stay after sitting weeks in a jail cell.
    ………..
    Texas poured resources into the Del Rio area counties, stationing state troopers every couple of miles on highways, setting up expansive base camps and conducting more than 11,000 arrests from its launch until now, some for state charges of smuggling migrants and most for misdemeanor trespassing.

    Yet crossings have continued unabated in Kinney, Val Verde and Maverick counties, where more than 83% of those arrests have occurred.
    ……….
    In principle, a successful law-enforcement operation would see a high level of arrests initially, followed by a decline as the arrests have an impact, (said Victor Manjarrez, a former Border Patrol sector chief), which hasn’t been seen under Operation Lone Star. The trespassing and smuggling arrests have affected a tiny proportion of migrants so are unlikely to be a deterrent, he and others said.
    ……….

    Related:

    The Justice Department told Texas Thursday that it intends to file legal action against the placement of floating barriers in the Rio Grande as part of the state’s operation along the Texas-Mexico border, according to sources familiar and a letter obtained by CNN.
    ………..
    “The State of Texas’s actions violate federal law, raise humanitarian concerns, present serious risks to public safety and the environment, and may interfere with the federal government’s ability to carry out its official duties,” the letter stated, citing a clause in the law that “prohibits the creation of any obstruction to the navigable capacity of waters of the United States, and further prohibits building any structure in such waters without authorization from the United States Army Corps of Engineers (“Corps”).”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  12. A good and decent man:

    Bennett was sent into the Battle of the Bulge to reinforce Allied troops, according to Military.com. He wrote in his autobiography “The Good Life” that the front was “a front-row seat in hell.”

    His final mission was liberating a concentration camp in Germany.

    “I’ll never forget the desperate faces and empty stares of the prisoners as they wandered aimlessly around the campgrounds,” Bennett wrote in his autobiography…

    After the war, Bennett faced discipline for spending time with a Black friend while soldiers were still segregated.

    Bennett, who was at the time a corporal in the US’s Special Services, invited his Black friend, Frank Smith, to dinner during the post-war occupation period, according to PBS News.

    In response, a senior officer in the US Army cut off Bennett’s corporal stripes and threw them on the floor, the report said, citing Bennett’s autobiography.

    The officer also spat on Bennett’s stripes and he was demoted from corporal to private.

    Dana (560c99)

  13. First Item:

    Trump’s Dance Card With Lady Justice is Filling Up:

    In October 2023, Trump goes on trial in New York to defend against the New York attorney general’s civil lawsuit alleging he, his adult sons, and the Trump Organization were engaged in a $250 million fraud for inflating the values of his golf courses, hotels, and properties to obtain loans and insurance. ……

    Three months later, on January 15, 2024, Trump is a defendant again facing off against former magazine columnist E. Jean Carroll who sued him for defamation for statements he made denying her allegation that he raped her in a New York department store in the mid-1990s.

    On March 25 (2024), Trump will face a jury for the first time in a criminal case to defend against a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records. ……The judge has warned Trump that he is required to attend every day of the trial, potentially keeping him off the campaign trail for a couple of weeks.

    And this doesn’t include the upcoming federal election interference indictment (possibly as soon as next week) and a potential indictment under Georgia’s RICO statute.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  14. who is the parent here: school officials or the actual damn parent?

    We’re dealing with religion here. The establishment of a religion really.

    The problem is they at least pretend to to consider the parents possibly unenlightened wrong on a matter of life or death.

    The proponents of sex change etc have gone so far as to exclude arguments on a technicality. and then rely on authority.

    But, as the legend has Galileo saying, despite his retraction, the earth moves.

    https://unherd.com/thepost/publisher-doubles-down-on-retracted-gender-paper

    Following activist pressure, the academic publishing company Springer Nature retracted Bailey and Diaz’s article on the grounds that the parents had not specifically consented to have survey results published in a peer-reviewed journal. (The parents did, however, consent to the publication of survey results, which is more than can be said for much peer-reviewed research, including some of the articles most frequently cited by trans activists.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  15. Arizona escalates probe into alleged efforts to swing election for Trump
    ……….
    Arizona Attorney General Kris Mayes (D) assigned a team of prosecutors to the case in May, and investigators have contacted many of the pro-Trump electors and their lawyers, according to the two people, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to candidly describe the probe. Investigators have requested records and other information from local officials who administered the 2020 election, the two people said, and a prosecutor has inquired about evidence collected by the Justice Department and an Atlanta-area prosecutor for similar probes.
    ……….
    Mayes campaigned during the 2022 midterm election on a pledge to investigate the 22 Republicans who signed two sets of documents claiming to be the state’s chosen electors for Trump in the electoral college, despite his loss. One set was signed by the state party chair and other high-profile Republicans, and the other involved party activists. Shortly after taking office in January, Mayes said that her office had launched a probe — but for several months there were no outward signs of an inquiry.
    ……….
    Trump and his allies tried to pressure state and local officials to employ strategies to help him stay in power. Election officials and others in the state faced violent threats and harassment. In 2021, the GOP-controlled state Senate commissioned a taxpayer-funded review by a firm with no election auditing experience that confirmed Biden’s win.
    ………
    Experts in Arizona’s election law said state law doesn’t specifically address a competing elector scenario, but prosecutors may try to build a case around state statutes ranging from fraud to forgery to conspiracy, or offering a document to a government office that has been falsely made, or contains false information.
    ………
    ………(R)epresentatives for Trump’s campaign called an Arizona Republican in early December 2020 and proposed assembling an alternate slate of electors on Dec. 14, 2020, the day the electoral college formally convened, according to a person familiar with the conversation, who spoke on the condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

    During one conversation, which has not been previously reported, the campaign representatives described the plan as a legal maneuver to keep alive Trump’s prospects for a second term, the person said.
    ……….
    Days later, Trump’s electors in Arizona and in other states followed through on the plan.

    In Phoenix, the electors gathered at the state party’s headquarters for a signing ceremony. The party publicized the event on Twitter, writing, “The Signing.”

    Another group that called itself “The Sovereign Citizens of the Great State of Arizona” sent signed and notarized certifications declaring themselves the state’s electors to the National Archives and the Arizona secretary of state’s office. ………
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  16. China’s relatively new Foreign Minister, Qin Gang (who used to be Ambassador to Washington and was said to be close to Xi) has not been seen for the last three weeks without explanation except now for a vague explanation of health.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-66125055

    The lengthy absence from public view of China’s Foreign Minister Qin Gang has sparked furious online speculation, while once again highlighting China’s secrecy.

    The 57-year-old has not been seen in public for 23 days – his last reported engagements were on 25 June.

    Appointed to his post last December, Mr Qin was seen as a trusted aide of Chinese President Xi Jinping.

    Meanwhile a member of Politburo, who outranks him, Wang Yi who has been serving as director of the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee Foreign Affairs Commission Office since January 2023 (also new like Qin Gang) has been greeting foreigners.

    Xi himself met with Henry Kissinger in Beijing the other day and praised him.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cz3gZYFWxig

    Kissinger was not sent by Biden to China, It’s Xi trying to say what he says Kissinger did should be your foreign policy toward China.(no human rights concerns for one thing, and trust but do not verify)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  17. nk (88577c) — 7/21/2023 @ 12:02 pm

    The dog vomit committee chairman could have stopped her.

    He could barely restrain himself from laughing.

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  18. If At First You Don’t Succeed….

    ………
    In an order issued Thursday but made public Friday, Fulton County Superior Court Judge Ural Glanville recused the entire judicial bench in Fulton County from hearing Trump’s motion to disqualify Fulton County District Attorney Fani T. Willis (D) and her office from further probing Trump. The motion also calls for throwing out evidence and a final report gathered by a special grand jury that investigated the case.
    ………
    Trump’s attorneys accuse Willis, who is seeking a second term as district attorney in the 2024 election, of retweeting “requests for followers and campaign donations which referenced her prosecution of this investigation.” They cite an influx of donors from outside Georgia to her reelection campaign last year and claim the fundraising violates professional ethics and should disqualify her from the case.
    ………
    The legal maneuvering comes four days after the Georgia Supreme Court unanimously rejected Trump’s petition to disqualify Willis (D) and her office and quash the findings of the special grand jury.

    ………(T)he nine-justice panel quickly dismissed Trump’s request, declaring that Trump had not proved the “extraordinary circumstances” that would warrant their intervention.

    The top court also seemed to regard Trump’s arguments as weak, writing that even if even if his motion “were procedurally appropriate, Petitioner has not shown that he would be entitled to the relief he seeks.”
    ………
    ………(Judge) Glanville, in passing the case to another jurisdiction, also appeared critical of Trump’s petition to disqualify Willis and prevent prosecutors from using the special grand jury findings. “None of which actually appears to sound in mandamus,” Glanville wrote in a footnote to his order, referring to the legal relief Trump seeks.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  19. The NYPost has a gotcha in that the FBI told Twitter that the laptop was genuined. But the argument they used with Twitter was that iit was hacked material.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  20. Merrick Garland wont appoint a special counsel. Janet Reno did not appoint anyone when it came to Chinese campaign contributions to Bill Clinton’s campaign in 1996 (and she was always Clinton’s first choice for AG I believe)

    The WH issued a statement saying that allegations were debunked long ago. They have persuaded much of the media not to report the hearing.

    Neither party cares about accuracy.

    Most Dems did not deal with the accusations Some who tried got a bit tripped up.

    Dan Goldman said the fact that Hunter Biden had to tell his father who he wass meeting means that Joe didn;t know. (but that means he became aware)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  21. I’ve said tht what Burisma wanted from Hunter was the appearance of corruption. The danger to him came from Ukraine he wanted to make it look like the US government was in his pocket.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  22. CW song “try that in a small town” banned to prevent racial violence. Small black town (5th news item) Attacking black lives matter and provoking blacks to join antifa in armed militant groups is not in the corporate state and establishment’s financial interest. Democrat party establishment’s job is to push gun control to keep blacks from shooting back at racism. They only want black criminals to have guns to control black areas from militants.

    asset (24a3e3)

  23. This is a sensitive topic for me.

    I’m a forty nine year old man, this is all long in the past, but it’s still relevant emotionally and psychologically.

    My mother was married four times during my childhood, and (with one exception, a relationship that she ended quickly), she was attracted to men whi had deep seated untreated anger issues and contempt for anything that they didn’t understand. Again, with one or two exceptions, the men she dated and (with no exceptions) the men she married were all to some degree physically abusive of her and *massively* emotionally abusive of my brother and me.

    Decades later when i got into therapy for the CPTSD this caused, I learned that the majority of kids with my kind of trauma profile don’t make it — they end up addicted and homeless and die in their twenties. I am *extraordinarily lucky* that I managed to succeed enough that I am a successufl and well paid software negineering lead with multiple communities that support me and a deep, healthy connection with a chosen family who are *all* doing the work to heal themselves and grow and develop as people. The odds of that given my teenagerhood were very, very low.

    One of the big reasons that I am able to enjoy this success is that school became a refuge, a *safe place* away from my mother and her husbands where they did not intrude and where I had the support I was able to accept at that age.

    Rules that require schools to *tell* parents when kids say they are trans* tell me that, had I been trans, school could not have been a safe space, because my confidences would not have been kept, because my parents would have been brought into the safe space. But it’s more than that, they tell me that if I were a kid today, in that district, even if I weren’t trans, I couldn’t depend on the school to be a safe space and a refuge from the hell of my family life, because the people in the school are simply *not allowed* to provide that safe space.

    These rules tell me that the people advocating the rules would prefer that I had died, broken and addicted, than have had the security and safety my teachers gave me. Because those teachers should have lost their jobs rather than keeping the confidence of kids like me.

    The people advocating these things are worried about teachers hurting kids. That’s a fair worry. But they don’t seem to understand that sometimes teachers are the only thing *saving* kids, and that making it impossible for the teachers to do that will wreak great harm on many kids. Those kids, the kids like me, are *disposable*. We matter *less* than the kids of healthy families where there isn’t a need for the teachers to be saviors.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  24. There should be a way to give kids in your position help without destroying the parents’ right to know about their children.

    DRJ (531157)

  25. Regarding the barriers on the Rio Grande: no one is “forced” to encounter then, go around them, or to swim the river in the first place. This is their choice, and it is done in full knowledge that their actions are unlawful.

    I don’t see people complaining about those pointing spikes on the White House wall.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  26. *pointy

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  27. > There should be a way to give kids in your position help without destroying the parents’ right to know about their children.

    There should be, but there *isn’t*. And half the time the kids who are “helped” are yanked out of their parental home and put into the foster care system, which in most places works very badly and produces terrible outcomes for the kids involved.

    Nobody has good answers because it’s hard to tell when kids are in my situation and giving state agents the power to remove kids in my situation makes it possible for them to remove kids in other situations in a way that constitutes abusive state power applied on relatively innocent parents, and because neither the state nor the community are willing to spend the time and money resources needed to actually take care of kids who are removed.

    But rules like this make it *harder* for kids like me.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  28. It is really too bad there is no real opposition party, or press, in California.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  29. On March 25 (2024), Trump will face a jury for the first time in a criminal case to defend against a 34-count indictment charging him with falsifying business records. ……The judge has warned Trump that he is required to attend every day of the trial, potentially keeping him off the campaign trail for a couple of weeks.

    By the time that date rolls around, the charges will have been reduced to about 3. Most of that is horizontal overcharging and higher courts, if not the trial judge, will dispose of most of them.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  30. We’re dealing with religion here. The establishment of a religion really.

    Indeed. They will claim it isn’t a “religion” because they don’t reference a God, but the dogma, enforced morality and other social expectations/rules are all there.

    If one were to teach all the strictures of, say, Southern Baptists (or Mormons), just claiming the source is “proper human ethics” and not some deity, it would be exactly what they are doing in the public schools.

    Separate school and state.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  31. But rules like this make it *harder* for kids like me.

    Perhaps. My recollection though is that adolescence is pretty terrible for everyone. Yours may have been a different “terrible”, but it’s traumatic and stressful for most people.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  32. I don’t see people complaining about those pointing spikes on the White House wall.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/21/2023 @ 4:07 pm

    Not many people are being impaled on them (yet).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  33. School sucks. And where it sucks most is where it alienates the child from his family. And it does alienate the child from his family. Some a little, some a lot. Some transiently, some lastingly. There is no substitute for family.

    nk (69dc79)

  34. The people advocating these things are worried about teachers hurting kids. That’s a fair worry.

    I think the worry (which your experience may not reflect) is that those teachers have no long-term responsibility, as do most parents. They are largely a passing parade.

    Now, I know that not all parents are responsible, and some are actively criminal, in how they raise their kids. Thirty-five years in the rooms of AA and such gives me a solid perspective. But for a school system to ASSUME this is the situation and take matters into their own hands as a default practice is incredibly disrespectful to the vast majority or parents.

    There are places that kids can go outside of home and school to get the kind of guidance and support that you suggest. Churches (yes), social services, private organizations like Alateen or local youth-oriented facilities. There’s a lot now that may not have been there in the early 90’s.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  35. It seems that Trump has his dance card open in December. If necessary that silly NY trial can be moved until after the election, or dropped entirely after Trump is convicted of actual crimes.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  36. It seems that Trump has his dance card open in December. If necessary that silly NY trial can be moved until after the election, or dropped entirely after Trump is convicted of actual crimes.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/21/2023 @ 4:51 pm

    That time could be filled by the Fulton County RICO trial.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  37. The judge in NY is pretty firm on the March date.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  38. @30 Its to bad republicans have to be racists nazis or pretend to be like pete wilson to win an election. In england people use to say nobody makes the children steal bread so we have to hang them.

    asset (f67ecc)

  39. > Perhaps. My recollection though is that adolescence is pretty terrible for everyone. Yours may have been a different “terrible”, but it’s traumatic and stressful for most people.

    The last decade that i’ve spent in therapy for complex PTSD would strongly disagree with the implication here that what I went through was no worse than normal.

    I’m not really sure how to engage with this other than to point out that you’re making a massive unfounded assumption here and that you really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know anything about.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  40. > But for a school system to ASSUME this is the situation and take matters into their own hands as a default practice is incredibly disrespectful to the vast majority or parents.

    And of course the need of good parents to not be disrespected is more important than the need of children of absolutely terrible parents to have a safe place.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  41. > that you really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know anything about.

    Particularly when you’re making judgments about the lives of people you know and are expressing them to their virtual face.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  42. Item 3: Schools already are required to same day notify parents (of students under 18) in case of suicidal ideation or violence and they aren’t covered by confidentiality laws. It isn’t really about those, it’s about transgender kids with the other two issues there as cover.

    Item 4: Placing barriers in the Rio Grande seems likely to violate international border treaties.

    Item 6: Hunter Biden is not a public person and even public people are supposed to be protected from people showing their nudes. I don’t know how seeing Hunder Biden having sex would benefit anyone ever. And I’m not sure that the local revenge porn statutes are where she’s from, but I would think that that might qualify in some places.

    Nic (896fdf)

  43. Hulk Hogan was a public figure, and he still got a $115 million judgment against Gawker. But Cougar Shack is protected by the Speech and Debate Clause. She cannot be “questioned in any other place”.

    nk (69dc79)

  44. It is really too bad there is no real opposition party, or press, in California.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/21/2023 @ 4:10 pm

    It seemed so bad, that Curbed LA and LAWeekly seemed like right wight alternatives compared to the ol’ birdcage liner.

    urbanleftbehind (ca7966)

  45. Leftists want to separate the family and have the government decide how to raise your child. I am not surprised by the results or the anecodotes.

    I will note that child abuse causes lasting damage.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  46. @NJRob@47 It sounds like you are saying that aphrael’s school should’ve called home and told his step-dad he was gay, even if it would’ve have terrible consequences for aphrael, because anything else is the government deciding how to raise his parents’ child? Is that correct?

    Nic (896fdf)

  47. In the Sparta they make movies about, if a mother wanted her son to be a Spartan citizen, she would send him to a government school at age seven and not see him again until he was twenty.

    Then she would give him a shield, a big heavy thing that he could not run away with, and tell him “Come back [from battle] with it or on it”.

    There’s a story that one gave her son a sword and he complained that it was too short. She said: “Go closer!”

    Cold, man! Real cold!

    nk (73c8c7)

  48. Parents have the right to send their four year olds unaccompanied across dangerous border crossings but no right to know if a school calls their kid Sarah instead of Sam.

    lloyd (690262)

  49. Schools are practicing medicine by diagnosing autism and providing behavioral treatment — often the only treatment autistic children get until they are 18. For apparel, the schools were his safe space from emotional child abuse. And it appears some schools help minors transition from one gender to another.

    This is the role schools play in our society, but this is not what schools are here for. Especially public schools.

    DRJ (531157)

  50. For aphrael not apparel.

    DRJ (531157)

  51. @DRJ@51 Schools, for the most part, are the only community centers in a lot of places. Almost everyone is pretty much in walking distance of at least one school.

    Both parents are often working full time or more (I have a fair number of kids whose parents both have two jobs) for just enough money to survive and the school site is at least usually a safe place to be because there are usually adults around, water, and bathrooms. A lot of kids are on campus from 7:30-5:00 and sometimes until 7:00 if there are community sports going on so the campus isn’t closed.

    We feed them breakfast and lunch and we have a food closet for needy families (they can come get 2 bags of groceries a week, usually beans and rice, peanut butter and jelly, cereal, mac&cheese, bread, condensed milk, formula, various canned fruit and veg, bag o lettuce), so sometimes we feed them dinner too. We provide back-packs, school supplies, and PE uniforms for needy kids.

    We check their vision and hearing once a year and some years provide a general physical for sports if their parents want to bring them in at like 8:00 at night.

    We have after school tutoring.

    We have a school safety officer, health-clerk, nurse, school psychologist, mental health counselor, and several school counselors, supplemental learning support (that’s me), a part-time behaviorist, speech therapist, and occupational therapist.

    Once a month at each site the district holds a meeting meant to help parents connect with community resources including translation.

    We provide (free) computer classes and social media education for parents usually about one evening a month.

    The local charter school and the local Christian school use our sports facilities (as well as city sports).

    The youth services division at the police department uses our facilities to provide anti-drug education to kids on diversion from drug charges.

    We have a church that holds services in our multipurpose room on Sundays and uses our multi, gym, and library for sunday-school.

    If we could only provide education, that would be great. But communities don’t have anywhere else to access all the other stuff, so we do it. And then y’all get mad at us for it.

    (we do not provide any medical transition services for kids and we only provide mental health, most medical- if a kid is bleeding, we provide first aid first and ask forgiveness later- or OT or behavioral services if the parent agrees)

    Nic (896fdf)

  52. Rules that require schools to *tell* parents when kids say they are trans* tell me that, had I been trans, school could not have been a safe space, because my confidences would not have been kept, because my parents would have been brought into the safe space. But it’s more than that, they tell me that if I were a kid today, in that district, even if I weren’t trans, I couldn’t depend on the school to be a safe space and a refuge from the hell of my family life, because the people in the school are simply *not allowed* to provide that safe space.

    aphrael, I have admired you for as long as you and I have both been commenting here. I know that we don’t always agree — but surprisingly enough, more often than one might imagine — yet I’ve always respected you for stating your case in a very honest and forthright manner, and for always being open to opinions outside of your own. I hope that I have sometimes risen to your level of decency in my own comments.

    That said, I want to suggest to you that there is a huge chasm these days between gay students and trans students. I can agree with you that there isn’t much if any need for a school to inform parents if a student shows same-sex attraction tendencies. I wouldn’t support the school calling mom to say that Dave was seen holding hands with Pete any more than I would support them reporting that Bob was holding hands with Jill. That strikes me as a matter of student privacy, regardless of the age of the student (obviously, behavior that goes against school rules is fair game for reporting).

    But trans issues are infinitely different, as I see it. Trans issues generally involve people taking steps to permanently alter their bodies, either through drug regimens or through cosmetic surgery. And I think we have seen a much higher incidence of trans students regretting the choices they made during their callow youth than we have seen of gay students having similar regrets. And obviously, a gay student can change their mind and go back to being bisexual or heterosexual far easier than a transman can go back to being a woman. So given the fact that the desire to change genders is more permanent yet at the same time more impulsive than same sex attraction, I have to fall on the side of absolutely bringing the parents in as soon as the desire manifests itself in the school. Respectfully to you, I am completely in agreement with DRJ on this issue. Though I do understand that this will inevitably create some unavoidable problems for trans kids. At the end of the day, I think the greater good is always to involve the parents (providing there is a mechanism for any students who truly lives in an abusive home to escape it).

    JVW (1ad43e)

  53. Trump’s word salad describes a journey, but it’s not a “faith journey” and it displays no spiritual “growth”.

    Audience member: “How has your faith grown since you decided in 2015 to run for president and who has mentored you in your faith journey?”

    Trump: “Such a great question. You know, I’ve seen so much heartache and turmoil. I was a developer and I did other things and, you know, I had a wonderful life before all this stuff. I didn’t know what a grand jury was. I didn’t know what a subpoena—what is a subpoena? I had a wonderful life. I couldn’t be more glad. I am so happy I did it because I’ve made America great, we can do it again. Right now, we are not a great country. We are not a great country. But I’ve gotten to know, because of this, evangelicals. I mean, I know so many people and they feel so good about themselves and their family and they base it on religion. I had never had that kind of an experience where I got to know so many. And Franklin Graham and Paula White. I mean, I know so many people that are so incredible, religious people, and not just Christians, not just evangelicals. You know, when I look at the Catholic faith, you take a look at what the FBI— no, but look at what the FBI is doing to Catholics, they’ve made them like the enemy, they’ve made them— it’s horrible. How could a Catholic ever vote for a Democrat or a guy like Biden again after the experience that they’re going through? But I’ve met some of the finest people that I wouldn’t have had the privilege of meeting if I weren’t president, and they’re religious leaders and they really are incredible people.”

    Paula White is a prosperity gospel heretic, and she was Trump’s so-called spiritual advisor.
    It’s a good thing Hannity didn’t ask what Trump’s favorite Scriptures were, or reference anything from Two Corinthians.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  54. @Paul@55 Um, he does realize that Biden himself is a Catholic, yes? And that Catholics are Christians? Also, while the FBI isn’t my favorite thing ever, I don’t feel particularly persecuted by them.

    Nic (896fdf)

  55. https://freebeacon.com/media/flashback-the-media-used-to-love-government-whistleblowers/

    Flashback: It was just a few years ago that the media were hailing whistleblowers in the federal government as brave truth tellers.

    Lt. Col. Vindman invoked his father in telling the nation why he decided to testify in Trump impeachment inquiry: “Do not worry. I will be fine for telling the truth.” pic.twitter.com/PNxse9wSy7

    — MSNBC (@MSNBC) February 7, 2020

    New York Times: “I Am Part of the Resistance Inside the Trump Administration”:

    The Times is taking the rare step of publishing an anonymous Op-Ed essay. We have done so at the request of the author, a senior official in the Trump administration whose identity is known to us and whose job would be jeopardized by its disclosure. We believe publishing this essay anonymously is the only way to deliver an important perspective to our readers. We invite you to submit a question about the essay or our vetting process here.

    CNN: “Author of 2018 ‘Anonymous’ Op-Ed Critical of Trump Revealed”:

    The anonymous senior Trump administration official who wrote a 2018 New York Times op-ed and a subsequent book critical of President Donald Trump is Miles Taylor, he revealed in a statement to CNN on Wednesday.

    Taylor, who was chief of staff to Department of Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen, wrote a lengthy statement explaining why he penned the 2018 op-ed declaring he was part of the “resistance” inside the Trump administration working to thwart Trump’s worst inclinations. Taylor said that he wanted to force Trump to respond to the charges he was leveling without the ability to attack the messenger specifically. Trump called the op-ed treasonous.

    Taylor joined CNN as a contributor in September 2020.

    When you understand most of the media is just Pravda for their Soviet Democrats, it all makes sense.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  56. I would hope my kids would tell me if they were trans but if my kids don’t feel comfortable telling me they are trans, I certainly wouldn’t feel comfortable with a rule making other people who they do trust be forced into breaking my child’s confidence. And a lot of kids are completely right to not tell their parents such things; with some parents they wouldn’t be safe.

    A student doing a private journal writing assignment in a high school English class writes “I think I’m trans but if my parents ever found out I think they might kill me.” Oops, sorry kid we are telling your parents for you. But really the effect is that such a kid would never tell anyone at school such a thing anymore. Which is the only real effect this policy has.

    Nate (8c2084)

  57. MTG Endorses……..Joe Biden?

    “Joe Biden had the largest public investment in social infrastructure and environmental programs, that is actually finishing what FDR started, that LBJ expanded on, and Joe Biden is attempting to complete,” Marjorie Taylor Greene said at the conservative Turning Point Action conference over the weekend.

    Except … she meant it all as an insult?

    The White House, which pasted Greene’s remarks into a 35-second video, clipped with videos of Biden and Vice President Harris surrounded by factory workers, officers, restaurant workers, men in hard hats and construction vests, and smiling fans meeting the president.
    ………………
    “I approve this message,” Biden’s account tweeted alongside the video.

    As of late afternoon Wednesday, the video had amassed 35 million views—second only to a video Biden released in April announcing his reelection bid, which has over 45 million views.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (364a93)

  58. Nic,

    I agree with you that schools do those things. I agree that it is welcome in some communities. I submit that the explosion of administrative personnel in the schools is why this happened. There are other ways to provide for children and families. I know from personal observation that while schools are willing to help, they are not good at providing many of these services — especially autism.

    DRJ (063308)

  59. There’s a place for whistleblowers, especially the credible ones and except the ones who work as unregistered agents for hostile or semi-hostile foreign powers who brokered oil deals with hostile foreign powers.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  60. The big difference between LTC Vindman and the IRS whistleblowers is Vindman had direct knowledge of Trump’s “perfect” phone call (as he and others listened the call as part of their responsibilities) while the IRS whistleblowers did not have direct knowledge of US Attorney David Weiss’s conversations with the DOJ or why certain decisions were made at higher levels. They just assumed it was part of coverup without any evidence.

    Rip Murdock (364a93)

  61. Porn peddlers, the whole bunch of them. They have no credibility.

    — Why’d you throw Marjorie Taylor-Greene out of the Freedom Caucus?
    — She called Lauren Boebert a little b!tch.
    — Well … she is!
    — Aw, she’s not that little.

    nk (73c8c7)

  62. Speaking of a real porn peddler:

    Marjorie Taylor Greene May Have Sent Hunter Biden Nudes to a Bunch of Minors
    ………..
    To support her argument, she held up poster-size prints of Biden’s nude photos, which were taken off his laptop. Not only were her actions wildly inappropriate—Oversight Chair James Comer did not reprimand her, though—but she may also have violated D.C. revenge porn law.

    And now, Greene may have emailed the nudes to minors. The Georgia representative emailed her constituents Wednesday evening claiming she had confirmed Biden was guilty of sex trafficking and tax fraud (she had not). The email included a video that showed his nudes.

    There is no screening for age when signing up for Greene’s email newsletter, so any minors who subscribe—such as for a social studies project or simply to stay up to date—have now received nudes from their congresswoman. If that is the case, then Greene would not only have violated her state’s revenge porn law, but she could also have broken federal laws banning the distribution of obscene material to minors.
    …………

    Unfortunately, her exercise in bad taste is protected under the Constitution’s Speech or Debate Clause. Who knew that such crudity would be put on public display by a sitting (Republican) Representative? It’s straight from the sewer.

    The fact that Members of Congress are immune from criminal charges under clause shouldn’t mean they should deliberately break laws to make a political point.

    Rip Murdock (364a93)

  63. And now, Greene may have emailed the nudes to minors. The Georgia representative emailed her constituents Wednesday evening claiming she had confirmed Biden was guilty of sex trafficking and tax fraud (she had not). The email included a video that showed his nudes.

    That is NOT protected by the Speech and Debate Clause. Not civilly and not criminally. Only what stays in Congress is protected. There are several cases on point.

    nk (73c8c7)

  64. Here’s to the new curricula boss, same as the old curricula boss.

    The new Florida curriculum standards that include instruction that “slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefit” is problematic, particularly since it’s highly doubtful that slavemasters trained their personal property to acquire skills out of any sense of professional self-fulfillment for their “employees”, it was to help their human chattel serve their plantations more productively.

    The state’s history standards workgroup offered a response, offering 16 examples of blacks as slaves who developed skills for their personal benefit, but it was chock-filled with historical errors, noted here.

    Several critics argued that nearly half of the 16 historic figures highlighted by the state were never enslaved. Others, who did spend time in slavery, did not gain their skills from their servitude.
    […]
    “They just threw out a bunch of names to make it seem like something good came of (slavery),” said Andrew Spar, president of the Florida Education Association teachers union. “The reality of it is, the facts don’t back up what they are saying.”

    He mentioned Booker T. Washington, included on the state list as an educator. Washington was enslaved but did not gain his skills until after being freed at age 9. He worked in mines and as a houseboy before entering school, according to Tuskegee University, which he founded in 1881.

    Georgetown University postdoctoral fellow Joshua Stein took issue with the state’s use of James Forten and Lewis Latimer as examples. The department said Latimer was a blacksmith born into slavery in 1848 and freed in 1852, and Forten was a shoemaker born into slavery in 1766 who escaped in 1784.

    A museum dedicated to Latimer states he was born to two self-liberated formerly enslaved parents. Self-educated, he worked as an inventor, participating in the development of the telephone and incandescent lighting, among other inventions.

    The Museum of the American Revolution describes Forten as a Black entrepreneur born to free parents. He served on privateer ships during the Revolutionary War and became a wealthy sailmaker.

    This is just another version of politicizing American history by portraying it falsely to serve a political agenda, only this time it’s serving the Trumpist Right Wing and not the Progressive Left. I don’t see how Americans aren’t served or benefited by either approach. It would be refreshing for educators to teach actual American history and not through biased prisms like the 1619 Project, Trump’s 1776 Project or whatever the f-ck DeSantis is doing.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  65. The last decade that i’ve spent in therapy for complex PTSD would strongly disagree with the implication here that what I went through was no worse than normal….

    I’m not really sure how to engage with this other than to point out that you’re making a massive unfounded assumption here and that you really shouldn’t talk about things you don’t know anything about.

    1) I drank heavily for more than a decade, and may have used a lot of illegal drugs, mostly due to being unable to cope with life. Do not tell me you had a tougher time.

    2) It had nothing to do with my parents or my surroundings.

    3) I am not a victim. Accepting that was a necessary step in my recovery. It was all on me.

    The last 35 years I have dealt with a lot of folks, with a lot of issues, gay, straight, black, white, male, female, rich, poor, religious, agnostic, atheist, illiterate, abuse survivors, and so forth. All have helped me see the variety of pain in the world. Don’t assume that I have no understanding.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  66. Item 4: Placing barriers in the Rio Grande seems likely to violate international border treaties.

    Pretty sure that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was entirely one-sided.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  67. Trump State Department appointee found guilty of eight felonies in Jan. 6 case
    ………..
    Federico Klein, who worked in the State Department during the Trump administration, was convicted by U.S. District Judge Trevor McFadden, also a Trump appointee, after a bench trial that unfolded last week. ………. Klein, who was 42 at the time of his arrest, faced charges of assaulting, resisting or impeding officers; obstruction of an official proceeding; and civil disorder; as well as misdemeanor offenses.
    ………..
    During the trial, (his attorney, Stanley Woodward, an attorney for several former Trump officials) argued that it was in “the eye of the beholder” what Klein was doing in the tunnel. He acknowledged that Klein’s presence at the front of the police line was not a factor in his favor but that the government had not proven Klein’s intentions that day.
    …………
    Woodward also encouraged McFadden to look closely at the evidence as to whether there was anything to suggest that Klein actually assaulted officers, though McFadden noted that “doesn’t get him out of the briar patch” because the statute — assaulting, resisting or impeding officers — also makes it unlawful to interfere with officers performing their duties.
    ……….

    Klein was a special assistant in the Bureau of Western Hemisphere Affairs and designated as a “Schedule C” political appointee. He was convicted of:

    six counts of assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers and aiding and abetting;
    obstruction of an official proceeding and aiding and abetting;
    civil disorder; and
    misdemeanor offenses of disorderly conduct in a Capitol building; and act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or building.
    …………..
    ……….Klein entered the tunnel at approximately 2:43 p.m. and began to yell at law enforcement officers, ignored commands to leave, and attempted to grab a police officer riot shield. Klein then used both of his arms and body to forcibly push against police. As police attempted to close a door to the tunnel, Klein used a stolen police riot shield as a wedge to thwart police from closing the door.
    ………
    ………. Klein joined with other rioters in a concerted “heave-ho” push against the police line in the tunnel. During the “heave-ho” push, a police officer became pinned between the metal doors in the tunnel and a shield held by a co-defendant.

    ………. Klein then participated in another “heave-ho” push against police and actively resisted the police officers’ efforts to move him out of the tunnel by aggressively pushing a stolen riot shield against the police line and using the weight of his body to press forward. Klein was finally pushed out of the tunnel at approximately 3:19 p.m. and remained near the front of the mob until approximately 4:10 p.m., constantly pushing into the police line using a stolen riot shield.
    ……….

    I don’t think there is any dispute what Klein’s intentions were on January 6th-to use violence to prevent the orderly transfer of power from President Trump to President Biden. His actions speak louder than words.

    Rip Murdock (364a93)

  68. At the end of the day, I think the greater good is always to involve the parents (providing there is a mechanism for any students who truly lives in an abusive home to escape it).

    Indeed. And the best way for school officials to find out about abuse is for the child to report it to them. If no one says anything (or there is no visible injury), then the schools have to assume that the parents have their kid’s interest at heart. To assume that they don’t is a terrible affront to 90%+ of parents.

    IF there is any institution that really needs to be addressed, it is the terrible, no good, awful foster-care system which seems to have a far worse selection of care givers than parents picked at random.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  69. Kevin,

    your post at 11:05am helps explain why you are a Republican.

    Thank you for it.

    NJRob (fff67e)

  70. Pretty sure that the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was entirely one-sided.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 11:08 am

    In more recent times the Chamizal Declaration (enacted by Congress in 1964 as Public Law 88-30) and the 1970 Boundary Treaty govern the international boundary along the Rio Grande between the United States and Mexico.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  71. And according to the DOJ letter to Texas, the barriers are not any treaty violation, but they are a hazard to navigation and installed without a permit:

    The floating barrier violates section 10 of the Rivers and Harbors Act, 33 U.S.C. § 403, which prohibits the creation of any obstruction to the navigable capacity of waters of the United States, and further prohibits building any structure in such waters without authorization from the United States Army Corps of Engineers (“Corps”).

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  72. The numbers behind Trump’s confidence the Jan. 6 indictment won’t matter
    …………
    More Republicans still say they disapprove of the Capitol attack, but there’s a growing bloc in the GOP that sympathizes both with the rioters’ demands and actions.
    ………
    …….. An Economist/YouGov poll conducted around the first of the year — timed to the second anniversary of the attack — found that 49 percent of Republicans disapproved of the events at the Capitol that day. That was down a whopping 25 points from a poll conducted the week after Jan. 6.
    ………….
    In the Dec. 2022 POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, 40 percent of Republican voters said Trump had “no responsibility at all” for “the events that led to a group of people attacking police and breaking into” the Capitol, while another 16 percent said he wasn’t too responsible.
    …………
    (In a December 2022 Quinnipiac University poll, the) results among Republican voters were lopsided: 79 percent said it’s time to move on. Only 16 percent said Jan. 6 shouldn’t be forgotten.
    ……….
    (In the same poll), only 9 percent of Republicans thought Trump’s maneuvering to remain in power, despite losing the election, constituted a crime. Roughly eight in 10, 81 percent, said Trump’s actions weren’t criminal.

    In the Dec. 2022 POLITICO/Morning Consult poll, only 16 percent of GOP voters said the events of Jan. 6 would have “a major impact” on their vote in the 2024 presidential election. …….
    …………

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  73. Here is an interesting article: Prosperous Blacks in the South 1790 – 1880

    https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/l_schweninger_prosperous_1990.pdf

    “Although affluent free people of color in the Lower South failed to maintain
    their unique status and economic standing in the postwar era, formerly free blacks
    and former slaves in the Upper South continued to gain entry into the most
    prosperous group of farmers, skilled artisans, and small business people.”

    “The Civil War accelerated the changes that had begun during the 1840s and 1850s, and, by
    the 1870s, a new black economic elite had emerged in the South, one that had
    forged its existence on the ruins of a vanquished civilization. Only a decade before
    this remarkable transformation, some of the most prosperous blacks in the South
    had been considered “a species of property” themselves.”

    steveg (1b6f32)

  74. @DJR@60 I don’t think it’s due to increased administration (I can’t tell you what half the people at the district office do, in their constantly expanding workforce despite a lack of increase in the number of students or site staff that might justify such a thing, but they don’t seem to be connect to site services). And I agree that we probably aren’t the right place for most of them, but when the need is there and nobody else is filling it, we end up with it. Autism can be challenging, especially since we only have about 20 real years of research. We have a couple of good outside programs to refer parents to, but they are often overwhelmed so my aspergers level kids mostly just get school services and the regular school environment can be too noisy, too busy, to overwhelming.

    Nic (896fdf)

  75. they are a hazard to navigation and installed without a permit

    Is there a lot of traffic along that part of the Rio Grande? I’m guessing “none.”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  76. @76: Reconstruction and the federal military occupation of the South continued until some point in 1877. Statistics that end in the 1870s are not that persuasive. Further, Jim Crow, as such, did not really come into effect in the upper south until some point in the 1880s. Louisiana was probably the first to go that way, as there were notable mass lynchings in places that the state did not prosecute. See United States vs Cruikshank (1876) for the first major SC punt on Freedmen’s rights.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  77. Rip Murdock (d917eb) — 7/22/2023 @ 12:28 pm

    McCarthy Defends Trump over January 6: ‘Don’t See How He Could Be Found Criminally Responsible’
    ………..
    Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, the U.S. House Speaker said he does not see any reason for the former president to be found criminally responsible for January 6.

    “I don’t see how he could be found criminally responsible,” McCarthy said. “What criminal activity did he do? He told people to be peaceful.”
    …………
    McCarthy said that he and the former president spoke on Tuesday and that Trump was frustrated with being targeted by the justice department (sic). He also denied ever conducting a “strategy session” with Republicans on how to respond to Trump’s indictments.
    ………….
    McCarthy’s counterpart in the U.S. Senate, minority leader Mitch McConnell, declined to comment on the matter.
    ……………
    “President Trump just increased his lead in the polls. So what does the Biden Administration do next? Weaponize government to go after President Biden’s number one opponent. This is not equal justice. It’s wrong, and the American public is tired of it,” said McCarthy.
    …………

    McCarthy is being disingenuous. It is unlikely that Trump will face any charges based on his speech on the Ellipse. It is more likely to face charges for his actions regarding the fake elector scheme, attempts to undermine the Justice Department’s investigation into election fraud, intimidating phone calls, to overturn certified election results. This is why GA governor Brian Kemp has reportedly been cooperating with Jack Smith’s investigation, and that former AZ governor Doug Ducey has reportedly been contacted.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  78. Is there a lot of traffic along that part of the Rio Grande? I’m guessing “none.”

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 1:37 pm

    Speculation.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  79. There doesn’t need to be actual river traffic, it’s a navigable waterway.

    Navigable waters of the United States are those waters that are subject to the ebb and flow of the tide and/or are presently used, or have been used in the past, or may be susceptible for use to transport interstate or foreign commerce. A determination of navigability, once made, applies laterally over the entire surface of the waterbody, and is not extinguished by later actions or events which impede or destroy navigable capacity.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  80. There doesn’t need to be actual river traffic, it’s a navigable waterway.

    And again, I part with the lawyers here. For the US to have standing, they need to show injury.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  81. Quinnipiac University National Poll July 19, 2023

    ……….
    ………..(V)oters are evenly split about voting for a third-party candidate, with 47 percent saying they would consider voting for a third-party candidate in the 2024 presidential election and 47 percent say they would not consider it………

    Independents say more than 2 to 1 (64 – 30 percent) that they would consider voting for a third-party candidate in the 2024 presidential election while Democrats (61 – 35 percent) and Republicans (57 – 38 percent) say they would not consider it.
    ………..
    Former President Donald Trump receives 54 percent support among Republican and Republican leaning voters followed by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis with 25 percent support.

    Former United Nations Ambassador and South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and former Vice President Mike Pence each receive 4 percent support, South Carolina Senator Tim Scott and former New Jersey Governor Chris Christie each receive 3 percent support, and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy receives 2 percent support. ………

    President Joe Biden receives 71 percent support among Democratic and Democratic leaning voters, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental lawyer and anti-vaccine activist receives 14 percent support and Marianne Williamson, an author, receives 7 percent support.

    President Biden leads former President Trump 49 – 44 percent in a hypothetical general election matchup among registered voters. This is essentially unchanged from June, when Biden had a slight lead over Trump, 48 – 44 percent.
    …………
    When registered voters were given a list of eight issues and asked which is the most important to them in deciding who to vote for in the election for president

    31 percent of voters say the economy
    29 percent say preserving democracy in the United States. Seven percent say abortion
    7 percent say gun violence
    6 percent say immigration
    6 percent say health care
    6 percent say racial inequality, and
    5 percent say climate change.

    Among Republicans, 51 percent say the economy, 22 percent say preserving democracy in the United States and 13 percent say immigration.

    Among Democrats, 37 percent say preserving democracy in the United States, 12 percent say the economy and 12 percent say gun violence.
    ………..
    Americans give President Biden a negative 38 – 54 percent job approval rating, compared to a negative 41 – 54 percent job approval rating in June.
    ………..
    Nearly two-thirds of Americans (64 percent) think supporting Ukraine is in the national interest of the United States, while 29 percent think it is not in the national interest of the United States.
    …………
    Americans give the United States Supreme Court a negative 35 – 55 percent job approval rating, an improvement from a low of negative 29 – 58 percent in June.
    …………

    Top lines and cross tabs.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  82. And again, I part with the lawyers here. For the US to have standing, they need to show injury.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 2:52 pm

    All the federal government needs to show that Texas is violating the law. That is their standing.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  83. There will be a hearing and Texas will have an opportunity to show why their barriers don’t contravene the law.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  84. It’s a simple administrative law case.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  85. Your key phrase was “free people of color”, steve. The curricula described slaves, not freemen.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  86. To the majority of voters, name recognition matters more than anything. In time, more people will know more. Donald Trump was a “who he?” at this point in the 2016 cycle.

    What I especially want to see is what happens after Christie lays into each of the other not-Trump candidates over their cosigning Trump’s rampant BS. If you don’t think that Christie can take someone down 12 pegs, watch this, as he destroys Marco Rubio in about 3 minutes:

    https://youtu.be/CkdpzRDxTXU?t=30

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  87. All the federal government needs to show that Texas is violating the law. That is their standing.

    It’s fortunate for the feds that it doesn’t work the other way.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  88. If you don’t want the DOJ to enforce this (or any other federal law) get Congress to repeal the law.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  89. Yet, when the feds routinely and openly violate immigration law, no one has standing to sue.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  90. Off-topic: Social Security.

    We are at the point where Pence, DeSantis and Haley agree that some changes are needed in Social Security, at last as regards people not nearing retirement. *HORRORS* they scream.

    I will point out that in the 1980s, they increased FICA tax rates, allowed the income caps to rise significantly more than inflation AND raised the retirement age for most Boomers (who were 20-40 at the time).

    So, I really don’t get the whining now about much smaller changes for Millennials and Gen Z. Particularly as they have MANY more tax-deferred options than we had in 1983.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  91. Here’s a Ukraine update from Michael Weiss, relaying info from his Estonian source, who I suspect is a higher-up in their intelligence community. Bottom line: There’s slow and steady progress, and getting to the Sea of Azov by September would be a major victory. They can’t afford to use their soldiers as cannon fodder, the way the Russians do.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  92. To the majority of voters, name recognition matters more than anything. In time, more people will know more. Donald Trump was a “who he?” at this point in the 2016 cycle.

    What I especially want to see is what happens after Christie lays into each of the other not-Trump candidates over their cosigning Trump’s rampant BS…….

    When will the name recognition argument stop? For example, both Tim Scott and Darling Nikki are polling around ten percent in the state where they have been leading politicians for several years. Trump and DeSantis combined have 59%.

    It’s not name recognition (both Scott and Haley have high personal approval) it’s the fact that South Carolina voters just aren’t interested in having either Scott or Haley as President.

    Unless Trump drops out, Christie won’t have a chance to go after anyone else. And every time he opens his mouth to criticize Trump, his “I’ll never vote for him” numbers get higher and higher. He’s nobody’s second choice.

    Christie’s net favorability rating is 14 points underwater, with more than 2 in 5 potential GOP primary voters (43%) holding unfavorable views.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  93. And every time he opens his mouth to criticize Trump, his “I’ll never vote for him” numbers get higher and higher. He’s nobody’s second choice.

    Christie doesn’t have to win, no more than Cheney did. What he needs to do is shame the GOP field calling Trump the asshat that he is.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  94. Christie’s net favorability rating is 14 points underwater

    Joe Biden 40.2 54.9 -14.7
    Donald Trump 39.3 56.8 -17.5
    Ron DeSantis 37.5 45.7 -8.2
    Kamala Harris 36.7 53.5 -16.8
    Kevin McCarthy 36.0 38.3 -2.3
    Hakeem Jeffries 27.0 28.0 -1.0
    Chuck Schumer 27.5 38.8 -11.3
    Mitch McConnell 18.5 55.0 -36.5

    There’s a lot of this going around. Personally, I only favor McConnell, which should tell you what I think of polls.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  95. This article is by the same author of the previous and she notes the difficulties of deciphering the census information of the era.
    https://libres.uncg.edu/ir/uncg/f/L_Schweninger_Black_1989.pdf

    Of interest would be the occupations of wealthy southern black people after the civil war, and how many of those occupations were likely spun from slave occupations. Farmers, draymen, plasterers, carpenters etc. The census data is hard to figure, but to me, the jump in illiteracy of black property owners during reconstruction was one of the biggest clues.

    After reading, I have no doubt at all that some former slaves leveraged the skills learned while enslaved into property (property being the measure of wealth).

    Should that be taught in school? Sure, why not give it 30 seconds. then maybe a minute noting the US ban on import of slaves was ordered in 1800… 17 years after independence. Maybe point out that over 90 percent of enslaved Africans were sent to the Caribbean and South America, only about 6 percent of African captives were sent directly to British North America. Note that Dutch Guiana, and Brazil, the enslaved death rate was so high and the birth rate so low that they could not sustain their slave populations without importations from Africa. Sure, hit that for a minute as well. (taken from https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teacher-resources/historical-context-facts-about-slave-trade-and-slavery). Discuss, compare manumission in USA and Brazil and note that women and mixed race children were most likely to receive manumission in both places.

    As a point for discussion, ask if perhaps the greatest damage done was not done by slavery alone. Maybe more damage was done by the ongoing dehumanizations of Jim Crow, segregation, separate but equal, and other associated discriminations, abominations? Discuss why well intentioned measures like the “Great Society” taken to mitigate the damage had unintended consequences. Discuss Civil Rights Act in context of the tumultuous upheavals of the 1960’s- from Bay of Pigs, Kennedy assassination, Race riots, Civil rights, Vietnam, student riots, Watergate to Nixons resignation.

    steveg (083944)

  96. Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 3:37 pm

    Only the first three are running for President, and both Trump and Biden are leading (by substantial margins) in the race for their respective party’s nomination.

    The rest don’t matter; who cares?

    DeSantis is polling 19 points behind Trump; Darling Nikki is 50 points; with Christie and Scott trailing at 51 points.

    Let me know when I can write “XX points ahead of Trump.” It will be a long time coming.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  97. Correction:

    DeSantis is 29 points behind Trump.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  98. Christie’s net favorability rating is 14 points underwater….

    And this only among Republican voters.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  99. Christie doesn’t have to win, no more than Cheney did. What he needs to do is shame the GOP field calling Trump the asshat that he is.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 3:36 pm

    Speak for yourself, I’m supporting Christie to win (though that is highly doubtful). I don’t believe in half measures. Why run if you are not in it to win? I want him to be President, not the Republican scold.

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  100. […]

    I drank heavily for more than a decade, and may have used a lot of illegal drugs, mostly due to being unable to cope with life. Do not tell me you had a tougher time.

    […]

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 11:05 am

    He did nothing of the sort. You said, in effect, “Suck it up, buttercup. Adolescence is hard on everyone.” He responded, understandably, that you don’t know what you’re talking about. A bit overbroad maybe, but as to aphrael’s personal experience, which is what you were commenting on, you in fact don’t know what you’re talking about any more than he knows your life. Our experiences are our own, the very definition of subjectivity. We’re all built differently, so we can never know objectively what anyone else is going through. We can only do our best to empathize. Telling someone who didn’t ask for an opinion, “you’ve got nothing to complain about” is the opposite of that.

    IMO you should have apologized. Instead you’re doubling down, invoking your 12 Step experience to justify telling him (paraphrasing) “you had it no worse than I did.” How do you think that would go over in a meeting? In my observation it would get you shut down. I shouldn’t have to tell you that 12 Step isn’t a d1ck measuring exercise to determine whose life was the worst hell. Using your pain as a weapon to diminish someone else’s sucks. I’ll say it again: I believe you owe aphrael an apology. You should just give it and stop digging.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  101. Utah Poll:

    ……….
    Of the 495 registered Utah Republican voters surveyed (by Deseret News/Hinckley Institute of Politics poll), 29% said they would vote for Trump and 24% said they would choose DeSantis. Former Vice President Mike Pence comes in third with 6%, followed by former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and former Wyoming Rep. Liz Cheney, both at 4%.
    ……….
    (Matthew Burbank, a political science professor at the University of Utah) said he was mystified by the hold Trump has on Republican voters, especially after his legal troubles, and given that he doesn’t take strong positions on many issues or look different from other candidates when it comes to policy.

    “It’s a real mystery as far as I’m concerned, simply because there clearly is a very strong attachment among some Republican voters with Donald Trump, just a sort of personal attachment,” Burbank said.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (d917eb)

  102. It’s not a mystery at all. Trump relates to them at their level.

    Goober doesn’t care about nuclear physics. Phillips Milk of Magnesia has always been good enough for him.

    nk (7114de)

  103. Rip, you really need to stop reading polls for a week. It’s beginning to look like an addiction.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  104. nk (7114de) — 7/22/2023 @ 4:32 pm

    I think the mystery is the hold Trump has on his Utah voters when his personal behavior is so antithetical to LDS doctrine.

    Rip Murdock (7bde53)

  105. Rip, you really need to stop reading polls for a week. It’s beginning to look like an addiction.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 4:44 pm

    Sadly, it only get worse after the J6 indictment and the Milwaukee debate. 😉

    Polling is the only way campaigns and the public know what issues are important and how a candidate’s message resonates with the voters.

    Sticking your head in the sand and wishing things would be different is not an option. The fact is that Trump is the leading candidate to be Republican nominee for president, and ignoring that will allow him to win.

    Rip Murdock (7bde53)

  106. Reuters/Ipsos Poll 7/19/23

    Donald Trump is dominating the U.S. Republican presidential nomination contest with 47% support within his party, well above 19% for Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, according to a new Reuters/Ipsos poll.
    ……….
    The rest of the Republican field remains well behind the two front-runners, with Vivek Ramaswamy, a former biotechnology executive, at 9% in the poll, followed by former Vice President Mike Pence who had 7% support.
    ………..
    Biden led Trump 37% to 35% in a hypothetical matchup, with the remaining 28% saying they weren’t sure who to pick or would vote for someone else or no one at all.

    ……….. Just 31% of independents had a favorable opinion of Trump and 32% thought as much about Biden.
    ………..
    Still, Biden leads the Democratic contest by even more than Trump leads the Republican field, with 63% of Democrats’ support compared with 15% for anti-vaccine activist Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
    …………

    More:

    The steady U.S. economy and voter anger over threats to abortion rights are buoying Democratic President Joe Biden, but voters are receptive to a host of culture-war issues his Republican rivals are campaigning on, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll shows.

    The Republicans fighting for their party’s nomination to take on Biden in 2024, led by former President Donald Trump and also including Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, have emphasized issues such as immigration, public school teaching on gender and sexuality and transgender athletes in youth sports.

    Voters appear to be persuadable on some of those issues, the poll showed, while they are finding fault with Republicans for their efforts to restrict abortion.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (7bde53)

  107. Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 4:44 pm

    However. I do thank you for your concern. As a political junkie, I live this every four years. Fortunately this “addiction” doesn’t harm me at all. 😉

    Rip Murdock (7bde53)

  108. IMO you should have apologized. Instead you’re doubling down, invoking your 12 Step experience to justify telling him (paraphrasing) “you had it no worse than I did.” How do you think that would go over in a meeting? In my observation it would get you shut down. I shouldn’t have to tell you that 12 Step isn’t a d1ck measuring exercise to determine whose life was the worst hell. Using your pain as a weapon to diminish someone else’s sucks. I’ll say it again: I believe you owe aphrael an apology. You should just give it and stop digging.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 7/22/2023 @ 4:15 pm

    Leftist twaddle and why we currently have the victimization hierarchy where people fake victimhood to win points and tell their political adversary to shut up.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  109. Rip,

    I notice you never post the polls showing Trump beating Biden. I know you see them. You said you’re a junkie after all. Why do you do that?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  110. https://www.dailywire.com/news/fbi-inappropriately-used-spy-powers-on-u-s-senator-court-says

    The FBI inappropriately searched for information on a U.S. senator using an intelligence provision intended for monitoring foreign nationals, a court opinion released Friday shows.

    The opinion from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court said that the FBI improperly searched a database for information on an unidentified U.S. senator, state senator, and judge. The FBI conducted the searches under powers derived from Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, but the conditions for the searches were not met, the judge said, according to The Hill.

    “In June 2022, an analyst conducted four queries of Section 702 information using the last names of a U.S. senator and a state senator, without further limitation,” a court opinion from Judge Rudolph Contreras said.

    Section 702 allows allows intelligence agencies to obtain the online communications of foreign nationals without a warrant.

    Although the court said that a “a specific foreign intelligence service” was looking into two of the individuals, the FBI was not able to provide proper criteria for the searches as determined by the National Security Division at the Department of Justice.

    Information on the judge was searched after he had accused a police chief of civil rights violations.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  111. IMO you should have apologized. Instead you’re doubling down, invoking your 12 Step experience to justify telling him (paraphrasing) “you had it no worse than I did.” How do you think that would go over in a meeting? In my observation it would get you shut down. I shouldn’t have to tell you that 12 Step isn’t a d1ck measuring exercise to determine whose life was the worst hell. Using your pain as a weapon to diminish someone else’s sucks

    Wow. Way to misread. Aphrael is using his pain to denounce everyone else’s opinion.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  112. How do you think that would go over in a meeting? In my observation it would get you shut down.

    This isn’t a meeting and there are no sidebars available. WHich is where that kind of discussion would occur.

    I shouldn’t have to tell you that 12 Step isn’t a d1ck measuring exercise to determine whose life was the worst hell.

    Not is it a place for playing the victim, or insisting that everyone else alter their attitudes because of your pain. That is just about the antithesis of what AA teaches. It’s about how one lives in the world DESPITE whatever it is. Which no one seems to want to hear.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  113. steve, I’d say slavery was worse than any of the post-slavery conditions because these human beings had no rights under the Constitution, and therefore had no possible chance of redress under the law.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  114. RethugliKKKan party passes law canceling all mail in ballot requests by voters before jan 1 2023 in floriduh. RethugliKKKans hope to stop 20% are more of democrats from casting their votes!

    asset (3eeec6)

  115. Aphrael is using his pain to denounce everyone else’s opinion.

    Funny, but I’m part of the “everyone else” he disagrees with, and I don’t feel denounced. As I read it, he used his pain to illustrate a counterweight to the parental rights argument I subscribe to. In a long, otherwise informative comment, he included one over-the-top sentence with which I strongly disagree, but strong disagreement doesn’t mean I was denounced. If you felt otherwise, that’s what you should have said, not in effect that you think his lived experience is bullsh1t. Your remark was akin to someone telling you or me, “Nobody needs AA. There’s no such thing as an ‘alcoholic.’ Everyone imbibes too much, does stupid things and feels crappy in the morning. You’re just a crybaby.” They’re both dumb, and what you said to aphrael is more insulting.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  116. @119 As BF Skinner said you can get more response with a kind word and a cattle prod then you can with just a kind word. Ask any shot down pilot captured by determinists.

    asset (3eeec6)

  117. I’ll take Putin’s latest terrorist attack on an orthodox church as his concession that he’ll never take Odesa.

    Odesa’s main Orthodox cathedral. Established in 1794, destroyed by Stalin in 1936, rebuilt under an independent Ukraine and destroyed again by Putin in 2023. One of several historical parts of central Odesa, a UNESCO world heritage site, hit by Russian missiles strikes today.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  118. 105. But how many people in Utah now describe themselves as Republicans?

    And Trump gets only 29%.. The top 5 names mentioned or offered in that poll add up to only 67%

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  119. After reading, I have no doubt at all that some former slaves leveraged the skills learned while enslaved into property (property being the measure of wealth).

    Yes, but it was rare that they did extremely well. And they had to prevent themselves from being cheated and after while without the protection of law. Many moved west to western Arkansas, and later Oklahoma after 1889

    There were ups and downs and the nadir was about 1921-23.. There were pretty successful attempts to hide from the north and future generations h=what happened,

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  120. Rip Murdock (d917eb) — 7/22/2023 @ 1:54 pm

    It is unlikely that Trump will face any charges based on his speech on the Ellipse.

    Although it was the key accusation in the second impeachment..

    A J6 prosecution seems more likely to center on later actions, like possible witness tampering

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  121. Rip,

    I notice you never post the polls showing Trump beating Biden. I know you see them. You said you’re a junkie after all. Why do you do that?

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 7/22/2023 @ 7:21 pm

    Right now I’m more interested in the Republican primary race and not the general election. I also don’t think that Biden will be the Democratic nominee.

    Rip Murdock (884e90)

  122. 120.asset (3eeec6) — 7/23/2023 @ 3:09 am

    As BF Skinner said you can get more response with a kind word and a cattle prod then you can with just a kind word

    Wasn’t that supposedly said by Al Capone and about a kind word and a gun and not a cattle prod?

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  123. Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 1:44 pm

    Further, Jim Crow, as such, did not really come into effect in the upper south until some point in the 1880s. Louisiana was probably the first to go that way,

    Jim Crow(segregaton) only dates back to about 1890.. Remember Plessy v Ferguson was decided in 1896.. The earlier lynchings and killings were about the right to vote – which remained in North CArolina till 1898.. Jim Crow came 10-15 years after the loss of the right to vote.

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  124. A J6 prosecution seems more likely to center on later actions, like possible witness tampering

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff) — 7/23/2023 @ 8:15 am

    Also conspiracy to defraud the United States and obstruction of an official proceeding, by soliciting groups in various states to submit fake electoral certifications to the National Archives and pressuring states to “find” votes.

    Rip Murdock (884e90)

  125. As I understood aphrael’s comments, he was a child who found help at school. I am glad the school and its teachers were there for him. Children can’t navigate serious life problems on their own — as adults should be able to do but even some of them can’t.

    There are reasons we require schools to report the problems they see. It is because schools and teachers don’t have the time or power to deal with many of the problems that some children face. E

    Educators get all sorts of training that doesn’t involve educating children. I understand why that is because they are on the front lines, but making educators be mental health professionals is part of why public schools are failing. That isn’t their job.

    DRJ (531157)

  126. Every parent wants (or should want) their children to have compassionate, caring teachers. That is part of being a good educator at any level. There are countless stories of successful people who credit a teacher as the person who made a difference in their lives. (aphrael is one of them.)

    What sets off my alarm bells is making schools a safe place from parents. Schools are supposed to treat children with the same care as parents, not be the parents. Where children are being abused, schools are not the safe answer.

    DRJ (531157)

  127. In link at #23:

    Chairman Smith: “Mr. Ziegler, on page 32 of the transcript of your testimony, you discuss the need to interview Hunter Biden’s adult children regarding certain deductions that you listed earlier of Hunter Biden included on his tax returns. You also testified that Assistant United States Attorney Lesley Wolf told you that you would get into hot water if interviewed the president’s grandchildren. In other cases that you’ve worked over your career, have you ever had a prosecutor tell you that you couldn’t interview a relevant witness?”

    Mr. Ziegler: “There are certain things that come into whether we talk to a witness or not. So, if they’re an attorney, if there’s some special situation that might come up that might cause caution to interviewing that witness, but I’ve never been told that we couldn’t approach someone to interview them as a part of an investigation. I mean there’s certain situations where you have to do a further analysis of the information that you might get, like I said if they’re an attorney, but in this case, we needed to talk to witnesses related to things that were deducted on the tax return. In this case it was the adult children that we needed to talk to.”

    He answered te=he question that was asked. It happens when there’s an issue of attorney-client privilege.

    But what is this “hot water” situation?

    Sammy Finkelman (6b19ff)

  128. Interesting declassified letter from Richard Nixon to President Clinton, regarding Nixon’s analysis of Russia and Ukraine following a trip there in 1994.

    He predicted Yeltsin’s fall and the likelihood of a hard-line successor, and felt that our efforts should be in supporting Ukraine, which he felt was in serious danger from the coming nationalism in Russia.

    https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/nixonletter.pdf

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  129. <a href="

    🚨 NATIONAL POLL: Harvard/Harris PRES: (R) Trump: 45% (+5)(D) Biden: 40%Independents (R) Trump: 45% (+18)(D) Biden: 27%——GOP PRES: Trump — 52% (+40)DeSantis — 12% Ramaswamy — 10%Pence — 7%Haley — 4%Scott — 2%Christie — 2%Harvard//Harris | 07/19-20 | 2,068 RV pic.twitter.com/qcFGHJHeIc— InteractivePolls (@IAPolls2022) July 21, 2023

    “>InteractivePolls

    @IAPolls2022
    ·
    NATIONAL POLL: Harvard/Harris

    PRES:
    (R) Trump: 45% (+5)
    (D) Biden: 40%

    Independents
    (R) Trump: 45% (+18)
    (D) Biden: 27%
    ——
    GOP PRES:
    Trump — 52% (+40)
    DeSantis — 12%
    Ramaswamy — 10%
    Pence — 7%
    Haley — 4%
    Scott — 2%
    Christie — 2%

    Rip Murdock (884e90)

  130. Rip’s Regurgitations would be a cool name for a Blog.

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  131. Rip Murdock (884e90) — 7/23/2023 @ 11:34 am

    Sorry for the formatting.

    The interesting thing about the Harvard CAPS/Harris Poll (and Rasmussen) is that they are such large outliers in polling the Trump-Biden race. Most polls in the RCP average have Biden leading by a tiny margin or have them tied. The current average has Biden leading by.5 percent; if you remove the outliers Biden’s lead increases to 2.2 percent.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  132. Rip’s Regurgitations would be a cool name for a Blog.

    BuDuh (b8bd84) — 7/23/2023 @ 11:36 am

    I can understand why you prefer not to be confronted with facts that don’t conform to your world view.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  133. Sad!

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  134. BuDuh’s Bah Humbugs ?

    DRJ (083c28)

  135. Trump has commanding lead in South Carolina GOP primary
    …………
    A new Fox Business poll on the GOP nomination race shows Trump with a 34-point lead in the Palmetto State, as over half believe he’s the candidate most likely to defeat President Biden.

    The new poll, released Sunday, finds almost half of South Carolina likely Republican primary voters backing Trump in the 2024 primary contest (48%). That number is slightly larger (51%) among those who say they will definitely vote in the February 24 primary.

    Lagging far behind is former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley at 14%, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at 13%, and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott at 10%. No other candidate reaches double-digit support.
    …………
    Overall, and regardless of how they plan to vote, 51% of SC GOP primary voters believe Trump is the one who can defeat Biden next November. DeSantis is next at 17%, with no others reaching double-digits.
    ………….
    Former Vice President Mike Pence (38%) wins the dubious distinction of having the highest share saying they would “never” vote for him. Another 2 in 10 say the same about businessman Vivek Ramaswamy (22%), Trump (21%), DeSantis and Haley (20% each).
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  136. Today is National Parents’ Day in the US.

    DRJ (083c28)

  137. Monmouth University Poll 7/20/23

    ………
    At this point, 3 in 10 Americans say they would entertain voting for a third-party “fusion” ticket comprised of a Democrat and a Republican. Just 5% say they would definitely vote for this option if Biden and Trump are the major party nominees and another 25% say they would probably vote third party. At the other end of the spectrum, 31% say they definitely would not support a fusion ticket and 34% probably would not.
    ……….
    Support for a third-party ticket drops even lower when names of possible candidates are introduced into the equation. ……… Monmouth tested (Democratic West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin and Republican former Utah Governor Jon Huntsman) as an alternative ticket in a Biden-Trump race and found that only 2% of voters would definitely vote for this specific third-party option and just 14% would probably vote for them. Moreover, 44% definitely would not vote for a Manchin-Huntsman ticket and 31% probably would not.

    “……….A third-party nominee needs to capture voters’ imagination to be successful. It is not clear that such a charismatic figure exists right now,” said (Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute.)

    The potential effect of a so-called fusion ticket on the election’s outcome is difficult to gauge until candidates are chosen. On the surface it seems like Republican voters are more inclined to vote for such a ticket (25% for a generic ticket and 15% for Manchin/Huntsman specifically) than Democrats are (18% for a generic ticket and 8% for Manchin/Huntsman). ………..

    When a generic bipartisan ticket is offered as an alternative, Biden’s support drops from 47% to 37% and Trump’s support falls from 40% to 28%. With a Manchin/Huntsman ticket as the alternative, Biden’s support drops from 47% to 40% and Trump’s support falls from 40% to 34%…………

    In the case where voting for a third party could lead to the election of Biden, 39% say they would vote for Biden, 37% would vote for Trump, and 20% would vote for the third-party ticket. In the case where voting for a third party could lead to the election of Trump, 43% would vote for Biden, 33% would vote for Trump, and 20% would vote for the third-party ticket. ……….
    ………….
    “What voters say they want in an ideal world and how they actually act in a distrustful hyper-partisan environment are two very different things. When partisanship, particularly a negative view of the opposite party, drives voters’ decision-making, any third-party effort starts with a low ceiling for support,” said Murray.
    ………….

    Paragraph breaks added. Questions and responses at link.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  138. DRJ (083c28) — 7/23/2023 @ 11:57 am

    😃

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  139. Lagging far behind is former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley at 14%, Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis at 13%, and South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott at 10%. No other candidate reaches double-digit support.

    Ignoring Trump’s criminality and unsuitability for office is a surefire way to lose in the primaries. By cosigning Trump’s “defense” Haley and Scott leave South Carolinans thinking that “Trump” is a valid choice.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  140. Since taking the gavel in January, the Committee on Oversight and Accountability has accelerated its investigation of the Biden family’s domestic and international business practices to determine whether the Biden family has been targeted by foreign actors, President Biden is compromised, and our national security is threatened.

    Below is a timeline that details key dates in our investigation.

    The main points of interest are:
    A) Romania
    B) China- CEFC
    C) China- Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., Ltd. (BHR)
    D) Kazakhstan

    https://oversight.house.gov/the-bidens-influence-peddling-timeline/

    The timeline is at the link. It is probably all bunk.

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  141. Ignoring Trump’s criminality and unsuitability for office is a surefire way to lose in the primaries. By cosigning Trump’s “defense” Haley and Scott leave South Carolinans thinking that “Trump” is a valid choice.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/23/2023 @ 1:01 pm

    If Republican voters in SC (and nationwide) can’t see Trump’s unfitness and criminality for themselves, they deserve what they get.

    SC Republican voters just don’t want either Darling Nikki and Tim Scott to be President. Neither of them want to end up like Christie, who’s nearly as hated by Republican voters as Pence. Tim Scott’s “positive” campaign particularly ignores Trump.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  142. @DJR@129,130 It doesn’t help that teachers are having to do 500 random things, but in my experience, one of the main issues with school performance is that a lot of parents don’t expect their kids to have to work in order to be successful. Our society values the appearance of education over having actually functionally educated people and there are a lot of parents for whom an unearned gift A- is better than a hard-won and fully knowledgeable B+. Also, it’s more important for Jordan to go to football practice than attend after school tutoring twice a week. (I do love my former military parents, though. They call me or come in and ask what the problem is, I pull up all their student’s class data and show them where the concerns are, they thank me and leave and the problem gets solved. My prison guard parents, though, are the worst. The. Worst.)

    There is no good or safe answer for kids who are abused.

    Nic (896fdf)

  143. Fox Business Poll: Iowa

    ……….
    ………….. 46% of likely GOP caucus-goers back Trump, putting him in a category all his own. The next tier is Ron DeSantis at 16% and Tim Scott at 11%.

    From there, it’s Vivek Ramaswamy at 6%, Nikki Haley at 5%, Mike Pence at 4%, and Chris Christie and Doug Burgum at 3% each. Asa Hutchinson and Francis Suarez receive 1% apiece, while Larry Elder and Will Hurd get less than 1% each.
    ………..
    Scott has the most opportunity to grow, with the fewest, just 12%, saying they could never back him. He also has 25% who want more info about him before deciding.
    ……….
    Pence gets the unwelcome distinction of having the largest number, nearly 4 in 10, saying they couldn’t support him. Roughly 2 in 10 feel that way about Trump, Haley, DeSantis, and Ramaswamy.
    ……….
    Overall, when choosing their candidate more GOP caucus-goers prioritize economic issues (41%) than immigration (15%), social issues such as abortion and gender in school and sports (15%), foreign policy and defense (12%), or populist issues such as corruption and corporate activism (9%).
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (e1ab92)

  144. BuDuh (b8bd84) — 7/23/2023 @ 1:39 pm

    Where’s the backup (copies of wire transfers, photographs, witness transcripts, etc.) for the alleged transactions, and what laws were broken with these transactions?

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  145. The lack of public testimony (or at least sworn affidavits) by any of persons named in this “timeline” is pretty damning.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  146. There are parents that care about their children’s education and parents that complain about any B — and blame the teacher, not their children. In my town, there are high standard public and private schools, and there are low standard public and private schools. You are likely right that parents have a lot to do with that, but leadership from good principals matters, too.

    DRJ (531157)

  147. Hi BuDuh,

    I hate to leave all the work to Rip. So let me ask one:

    We know Hunter Biden traded on his relationship with his dad in a big way. Is there anything from
    Joe in all of this tying him directly to these entities? (We will stipulate that the FBI informant says the Burisma guy saysJoe took a bribe. We will also stipulate that Hunter, crack head and porn star, claims his angry father is in the room as he duns his business partner for some cash.)

    Appalled (5d512b)

  148. Credit where due: Our local monopoly newspaper, the Seattle Times, recently printed two pieces I agree with:

    Columnist Danny Westneat said the oil companies were closer in their predictions on gas price rises form new taxes than Democratic Governor Jay Inslee (6/25) was. Westneat even said that gas prices were supposed to go up, in order to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. As tehy have, bu about 50 cents a gallon.

    Editorial columnist David Volodzko, new to this area, said that the statue of Lenin in the Seattle Fremont neighbor is inappropriate, given Lenin’s crimes (7/9).

    (One thing fewer Americans know than should: There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917. The first in February (old-style) established a weak provisional democracy; the second, led by Lenin, in October, established a Communist dictatorship.)

    Jim Miller (a1b8b8)

  149. Correction: “from” new taxes, not “form”.

    Jim Miller (a1b8b8)

  150. I said it was probably bunk. Why the 3rd degree?

    Biden’s legal department may need you guys. Good work!

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  151. Biden’s legal department may need you guys. Good work!

    BuDuh (b8bd84) — 7/23/2023 @ 4:34 pm

    Yeah, like Tucker Carlson, you’re “just raising questions” while making insinuations.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  152. Legendary computer hacker Kevin Mitnick (59) has died.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  153. Have you copyrighted your “hey, I’m just posting for informational…[yadda, yadda], or are other people allowed to do the same on open threads?

    This touched a nerve, it seems.

    Just a link and a quick personal take. No need to get hot and bothered. Unless that is what you want to do. Not my call.

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  154. Biden doesn’t need any help-it’s Comer and Jordan who need help in coming up with credible witnesses. The whistleblowers aren’t direct witnesses-they haven’t provided any evidence backing up their allegations are true. No documents, no emails, no nothing.

    But again, I understand why BuhDuh and others want it to be true. It’s sad.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80)

  155. ?

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  156. @Jim@152 I know it makes me terribly cynical, but I can’t help my lack of surprise that the companies that control gas prices were pretty good at predicting what they planned to charge for gas.

    Nic (896fdf)

  157. Rip,

    you are sure expending a lot of energy trying to defend Biden. Why is that?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  158. BuDuh,

    So the answer to my question is no?

    Appalled (9e9221)

  159. Wingnut wet dreams, and trolla-la, la-la, la-la.

    nk (492d3d)

  160. The Chino Valley kerfuffle is not teachers and school staff. It’s Scribes and Pharisees playing culture war games.

    nk (492d3d)

  161. Sorry, Appalled you and the rest of your “we” party have bested me too many times by disengaging after I answer your questions.

    I don’t want to embarrass myself again.

    You win this one with a solid play. 👍

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  162. Nic – From the column: “Todd Myers of the right-leaning group the Washington Policy Center is one who got it right. Nearly a year ago, he used the state’s own data to estimate that prices would go up 46 cents.”

    I think he’s both smart and honest.

    I haven’t followed this closely enough to have an opinion on whether Inslee was lying about gas prices, misinformed, or both. He’s a good politician, but has been a poor governor. (He was, however, a fine basketball player in high school.)

    (Todd Myers)

    Jim Miller (aa791f)

  163. @Jim@166 Now that is more interesting. I don’t personally think that gas prices are particularly connected with actual economic forces, afaict they are almost totally corporate market manipulation and OPEC monopoly. I always find it interesting to try to predict at what point oil companies and OPEC decide they’ve pushed consumer prices to the point of beyond tolerance and start bringing them down.

    Nic (896fdf)

  164. Not is it a place for playing the victim, or insisting that everyone else alter their attitudes because of your pain. That is just about the antithesis of what AA teaches. It’s about how one lives in the world DESPITE whatever it is. Which no one seems to want to hear.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/22/2023 @ 8:41 pm

    Well said, sir.

    Dustin (86bc26)

  165. @158

    Biden doesn’t need any help-it’s Comer and Jordan who need help in coming up with credible witnesses. The whistleblowers aren’t direct witnesses-they haven’t provided any evidence backing up their allegations are true. No documents, no emails, no nothing.

    But again, I understand why BuhDuh and others want it to be true. It’s sad.

    Rip Murdock (b21e80) — 7/23/2023 @ 4:47 pm

    The IRS whistleblowers aren’t credible?

    whembly (c88dc4)

  166. Your comments about oil companies gouging gasoline prices are very disappointing, Nic, since they are not correct. As a teacher, you are not helping your students if you address this in your classes.

    DRJ (083c28)

  167. One thing fewer Americans know than should

    Most Americans think Lincoln was the second president.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  168. Columnist Danny Westneat said the oil companies were closer in their predictions on gas price rises form new taxes than Democratic Governor Jay Inslee (6/25) was. Westneat even said that gas prices were supposed to go up, in order to reduce carbon dioxide emissions. As tehy have, bu about 50 cents a gallon

    While taxes contribute to the high gas prices on the west coast, other states have high taxes, too. PA has a higher tax that any other state ($0.61/gallon, yet gasoline in Philadelphia is under $3.50/gallon.

    What IS different is that CA, Oregon and now Washington State have “green” formulations on gasoline that effectively block the import of gasoline from refineries out of state. Non-tariff barriers, iow.

    These limitations allow refiners to limit supply though any number of “problems” that require taking capacity offline when prices begin to fall.

    So prices in Seattle, Los Angeles and Portland are in the $4.25-$4.75 range where most of the country is $1 less per gallon. More where taxes are low.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  169. @DRJ@170 I am not teaching global energy industry market economics to 12 year olds. But I’ll indulge you anyway.

    First, I want to note that your article only covers a very narrow window of time of less than 2 months, not industry trends as a whole and looks only at the US energy market, when the market is world wide, while I was talking about the international market over time.

    What does the article you linked say:

    1. The price of oil, which is tagged to the global market, makes up over half the cost of gas. (who determines the global supply of oil and the global price? OPEC and now OPEC+- formed in 2016 in response to low oil prices worldwide. and international oil conglomerates – this is market manipulation).

    2. Prices in the US have remained high, even when prices in the global oil market have gone down. (the article states that it isn’t necessarily a result of price gouging which certainly isn’t a definite statement on the causality of the high prices)

    3. It’s complicated.
    a. Oil companies mostly don’t own gas stations so don’t determine the price at the pump. (this is misleading. Wholesale gas prices are determined by
    the oil companies and they change them on a daily basis while retail gas stations cannot store more than a couple of days of gas and so are at the mercy
    of wholesale price changes, profit margins at retail gas stations are narrow on their retail gas business)

    b. Maybe it’s the station owners trying to recapture earlier losses, maybe it’s due to oil market volatility, maybe it’s the consumers fault of not
    searching harder for lower prices. Maybe it’s the weather. (this does not sound at all definitive as to the reason)

    4. Production costs
    a. Oil company profits significantly increased in 2022 during the price increases. (My thoughts on this are probably self-explanatory)
    b. Increasing US production of oil will not significantly decrease the global price of oil (OPEC+ again)
    c. Investors want more profits, so oil companies aren’t re-investing in long term company infrastructure and are keeping prices high.
    d. Labor shortages (immigration, let me show it to you).

    It was an interesting read regarding their thoughts on a very specific period of price changes, but it does not convince me that OPEC+ and international oil conglomerates aren’t artificially manipulating the international oil market, which in turn significantly impacts US gas prices.

    Nic (896fdf)

  170. @126 willie sutton also. When asked why he robber banks he said because they are there!

    asset (206f27)

  171. @145 they are happy to deserve what they get. How many times do I have to explain ignorant southern white trash democrats turn republican voters.

    asset (206f27)

  172. No takers on defending floriduh rethugs canceling all voter mail in ballot requests before jan. 2023?

    asset (206f27)

  173. Asset,

    ballots need tp be requested before the election. An active, educated voter is needed for an informed populace.

    Anyone voting for AOC is by definition ill informed.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  174. The emergence of Putin Youth

    All Russian school children are to be taught the basics of operating combat drones. Russian Senator Artem Sheikin announced that the lessons will include how to conduct terrain reconnaissance and ways to counter enemy uncrewed aerial vehicles (UAVs).

    The UAV lessons join assault rifle training, hand grenade skills and combat first aid in the revised ‘Basics of Life Safety’ syllabus for year 10 and 11 students, due to be mandated from 1 September 2023.

    Russia’s renewed emphasis on military induction for children is largely an effort to cultivate a culture of militarised patriotism rather than develop genuine capability.

    However, the addition of UAV skills does highlight how Russia has identified the use of tactical UAVs in Ukraine as an enduring component of contemporary war.

    Good phrase, “militarized patriotism”.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  175. BuDuh 165,

    So is your answer — nothing links Joe to these entities, or there’s something but you won’t engage with me so I’m not going to tell you.

    Just asking questions…

    Appalled (9e9221)

  176. “Year 10 and 11 students” are the Russian equivalent of our high school juniors and seniors, but I don’t know that they have proms. Our Junior ROTC is from freshman year. Yeah, ours is voluntary.

    nk (492d3d)

  177. Thank you for explaining why you have made up your mind and can’t be convinced otherwise.

    DRJ (531157)

  178. Keep on believing those mean old oil companies are out to get you.

    DRJ (531157)

  179. And, please, stop using oil, gas, the derivatives (like plastics), and all the energy benefits that come from oil and gas. You show those oil companies you know they are villains.

    DRJ (531157)

  180. Interesting read…
    https://pjmedia.com/columns/stephen-kruiser/2023/07/24/the-morning-briefing-trump-thinks-that-the-dems-might-want-to-be-careful-what-they-wish-for-n1712698


    Trump is right though. Not only are the hardcore “Escalator MAGA” supporters passionate, but there are a lot of people who had grown ambivalent about him and are outraged by the Democrats’ relentless election interference witch hunts. At this point, they may even be minting brand-new Trump supporters.

    A year ago, I would’ve told you that you were nuts saying that Trump would have a healthy lead in the primary.

    At least, anecdotally, I personally know a few non-Trump-voters who’s now voting for him because they don’t want anything to do with Democrats.

    I’ve been wrong a lot, but I don’t think these “new Trump supporters” will be enough.

    whembly (5f7596)

  181. For informational purposes only*:

    In a direct challenge to the Biden family narrative, Hunter Biden’s former best friend, who served as a director of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma along with him, will reportedly say that Hunter Biden put his father on the phone roughly two dozen times as Hunter spoke to his foreign business partners or business investors.

    Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed he did not speak with his son about Hunter’s foreign business dealings.

    Devon Archer, 48, will testify before the House Oversight Committee, and is expected to say the calls happened in his presence, The New York Post reported, adding that a close associate of Archer’s said he is testifying out of his obligation to his “civic duty.” The associate stated Archer has “nothing to hide, no revenge to enact nor anyone to protect other than his family and he feels he has been handcuffed by the absurdly bogus [fraud] case into remaining silent. In a forum where he has immunity he can at least start to speak truth.”

    Archer’s family has allegedly been targeted with death threats and warnings to “keep your mouth shut” since it was revealed he would testify.

    “We are looking forward very much to hearing from Devon Archer about all the times he has witnessed Joe Biden meeting with Hunter Biden’s overseas business partners when he was vice president, including on speakerphone,” House Oversight Committee Chairman Rep. James Comer (R-KY) said.

    One of the meetings Archer will discuss occurred on Dec. 4, 2015, when Archer and Hunter Biden reportedly had dinner with the Burisma board in Dubai before they were contacted later at another hotel by senior Burisma executive Vadym Pozharskyi, who told them Burisma’s owner Mykola Zlochevsky needed to contact Hunter Biden.

    Biden reportedly called his father and put him on speaker, then introduced Pozharskyi and Zlochevsky to him, adding that they “need our support.”

    Prior to the phone call, in September 2015, U.S. Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt had singled out Zlochevsky in a speech about corruption in Odessa. Ukrainian prosecutor general Viktor Shokin was investigating Burisma; prompting Pozharskyi to pressure Hunter, as emails on Hunter’s laptop revealed. One November 2015 email showed Pozharskyi emailing Hunter Biden and Archer demanding they use their influence to “close down” the investigation targeting Burisma.

    By February 2016 Shokin would seize property belonging to Zlochevsky, who was living in Dubai.

    In March 2016, Joe Biden was threatening to withhold $1 billion in U.S. aid to Ukraine, claiming Shokin wasn’t investigating corruption. In March 2016, Shokin was fired. Biden then bragged to the Council on Foreign Relations, “I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a b****. He got fired.”

    Archer will reportedly testify about two dinners in Washington, D.C., that Hunter organized for Joe Biden in which he would meet Hunter’s business partners from Ukraine, Russia and Kazakhstan.

    Hunter Biden’s former business partner Tony Bobulinski has stated that Hunter Biden would routinely get his father on the phone during business calls with associates, saying:

    I am also aware of other Biden family business associates confirming that Joe would take phone calls from Hunter in the middle of business meetings and would weigh in via speakerphone. … Sitting with Hunter at Chateau Marmont before I first met Joe Biden on May 2, 2017, Hunter was adamant that his father takes his calls at any time, no matter what his lawyers say or with gatekeepers like Kate Bedingfield playing interference. … The American people don’t fully appreciate yet the key role Joe Biden played in the Biden family global influence peddling . . . I would equate it to a chairman’s role in a traditional business structure.

    https://www.dailywire.com/news/hunters-former-best-friend-will-testify-that-hunter-had-dad-on-phone-multiple-times-with-foreign-business-partners

    This is the awful Daily Wire summarizing the slightly less awful New York Post so I vouch for none of it.*

    *(hat tip Rip for non-controversial neutral language to post text and link)

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  182. This Devon Archer?

    An ex-business partner of Hunter Biden lost his appeal to have his conviction and sentence tossed Wednesday — and could next be headed to prison for his role in swindling a Native American tribe out of $60 million in bonds.

    nk (68f280)

  183. @186 nk (68f280) — 7/24/2023 @ 7:46 am
    You mean, it’s possible that the Biden have dealings with shady people, who may themselves be shady?

    Who’d thunk dat?

    whembly (5f7596)

  184. This nk?

    LOL.

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  185. Drj at 130: schools are the answer when children are being abused because there is no other place capable of being an answer, and preventing schools from being an answer means more abused kids with no support.

    Do you think that’s a win for anyone?

    aphrael (56b291)

  186. MTG can introduce him with a bubble dance.

    nk (68f280)

  187. Kevin – I’m not using my pain to denounce your opinion, I’m saying that your policy preference will deny to kids like me the one thing enabling them to keep themselves together and will cause great harm to them.

    That’s apparently incredibly offensive to you, judging by the things it is causing you to say about me.

    aphrael (56b291)

  188. I would never claim that I had a tougher time than you, I don’t know your experience enough to judge that, and comparing trauma is helpful to nobody.

    But you told me to my face that the experience I had wasn’t as bad as I think it was, which is an incredibly rude thing to say when you know nothing of my experience.

    I’ve had a lot of respect for you over the years, Kevin, but in that moment you were a grade a jack***, and for no reason.

    aphrael (56b291)

  189. Jvw, thank you. I have a great deal of respect for you, as well, and don’t want that to get lost. 🙂

    aphrael (56b291)

  190. > This is the role schools play in our society, but this is not what schools are here for. Especially public schools.

    For many people there is no other place, and that is why the school plays the role it does. Forcing schools to stop playing the role without providing another place simply means the needs to unfilled.

    Would we be better off if these needs were filled outside of schools? Yes. Would we be better off if we simply stopped filling those needs? No.

    aphrael (56b291)

  191. The IRS whistleblowers aren’t credible?

    whembly (c88dc4) — 7/23/2023 @ 7:58 pm

    They aren’t credible unless they back up their claims with direct evidence (emails, etc.)-their statements are merely allegations.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  192. @195

    They aren’t credible unless they back up their claims with direct evidence (emails, etc.)-their statements are merely allegations.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/24/2023 @ 8:21 am

    They’ve done that, particularly with contemporaneous emails/notes.

    whembly (5f7596)

  193. The IRS agents seem credible to be me for what they’re asserting and sufficient ground to pull the USA (can’t recall his name) and ask them what if any interference or guidance they got from main justice. What the agents assert isn’t on its face evidence of impropriety or a cover up but it merits additional questions.

    The US Attorney’s public statements clearly state that he was free to pursue the case as he saw fit, but let’s get that on the record and under oath.

    I’m sure there are DOJ policies that need to be waived to get this testimony, but since we’re talking about the presidents son there’s very good reason to waive them so this testimony can be heard. If it matches his public statements I’d consider the issue closed.

    Time123 (44665a)

  194. For anyone who hasn’t already made up their mind about oil prices.

    aphrael, I am glad you got the support you needed and I agree schools should be aware of the possibility of abuse. But I don’t agree if you are saying that schools are the right places to handle abused children or their families. Abuse should be reported.

    Having said that, there aren’t good answers for many abused children. Typically abuse happens for some time before it is noticed, and damage has already been done. Note also that we see more cases where abused children were never sent to school.

    DRJ (531157)

  195. For many people there is no other place, and that is why the school plays the role it does. Forcing schools to stop playing the role without providing another place simply means the needs to unfilled.

    The police and child protective services investigate abuse. Schools can be a part-time refuge but how can schools protect children from abuse?

    DRJ (083c28)

  196. My point is that when schools see abuse, they should report it. They don’t have the resources or authority to deal with abuse.

    DRJ (083c28)

  197. > They don’t have the resources or authority to deal with abuse.

    The trouble with emotional and psychological abuse, though, is it’s very hard to prove, and the system is (rightly) biased in favor of assuming kids should stay with their parents, so — in most cases reporting psychological and emotional abuse simply accomplishes nothing, and in a lot of cases it results in the abuse intensifying behind closed doors.

    > Schools can be a part-time refuge but how can schools protect children from abuse?

    They can’t, and quite honestly there’s no way in general that society can protect children from abuse.

    So let’s not take away the part-time refuge while we’re trying to improve things.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  198. For informational purposes only:

    FBI agents told the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office they had already corroborated multiple details in the FD-1023, a source told The Federalist.

    When the Pittsburgh FBI office briefed the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office on evidence implicating Hunter and Joe Biden in a bribery scheme, the agents also told the Delaware team they had already corroborated several aspects of the confidential human source’s claims, an individual familiar with the briefing told The Federalist….

    …. The Federalist has now learned that the Pittsburgh FBI office had corroborated several details contained in the FD-1023 as part of the intake process that former Attorney General William Barr established before the election under the leadership of the Western District of Pennsylvania’s then-U.S. Attorney Scott Brady. Significantly, in briefing the Delaware U.S. attorney on the results of their office’s screening of evidence related to Ukraine, the Pittsburgh FBI agents told the Delaware office they had corroborated multiple facts included in the FD-1023, an individual with knowledge of the briefing told The Federalist.

    Following the late June 2020 interview with the CHS, the Pittsburgh FBI office obtained travel records for the CHS, and those records confirmed the CHS had traveled to the locales detailed in the FD-1023 during the relevant time period. The trips included a late 2015 or early 2016 visit to Kiev, Ukraine; a trip a couple of months later to Vienna, Austria; and travel to London in 2019.

    As The Federalist previously reported, during their briefing of the Delaware U.S. attorney’s office, the Pittsburgh FBI agents said the FD-1023 bore indicia of credibility and that it merited further investigation. The person familiar with that briefing now confirms the agents also informed the Delaware office that the Pittsburgh FBI had corroborated the CHS’s presence in the various cities at the times claimed…

    https://thefederalist.com/2023/07/24/fbi-told-delaware-u-s-attorney-it-had-already-partially-corroborated-biden-bribery-claims-source-says/

    Federalist “sources say” claptrap. Biden’s resident legal team will be eating their lunch.

    But hey, I’m just posting a link and a quote. No opinion on the content. Topical and all that…

    BuDuh (b8bd84)

  199. A couple thoughts:

    I want to hear from Mr Archer. (BuDuh link 1.) I would expect a person who associates with Hunter Biden to be a sleaze, so that’s no surprise. No prejudgment on what he says from me.

    BuDuh link 2 — I think the confidential informant is trustworthy in reporting his conversation. It’s the guy claiming that J Biden was on his payroll that’s dodgy.

    Appalled (5d512b)

  200. That’s apparently incredibly offensive to you, judging by the things it is causing you to say about me.

    Aphrael,

    I really don’t want to continue this, but I will point out that almost all of what I said was about ME, not you. Some of it was about your arguments but not about you personally. I have no doubt that your pain is real, as was mine. I truly hope you find a way forward, if you have not already.

    The thrust of my argument is that MY pain should not control other people’s thoughts or behavior as they deal with their lives. It is up to ME to find MY way forward, and that cannot rely on what other people say or do, as I have utterly no control over them. Realizing that, I had to find strength in myself (or from a higher power) to cope.

    The details don’t matter.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  201. No takers on defending floriduh rethugs canceling all voter mail in ballot requests before jan. 2023?

    Different states have different laws about mail-in ballots. In 2020, there was an arguable emergency that loosened those laws in some places, sometimes in violation of state constitutions (e.g. PA).

    In my state (NM, totally Dem controlled), a voter must request a mail in ballot EACH election, no earlier that a few months before the election, and that only covers the one election.

    Florida has chosen not to have permanent absentee lists, or at least to require periodic renewal. Given the advanced age of some of their residents, this periodic renewal is necessary to avoid sending endless ballots to the deceased, and they may wish to require that requests be made periodically to indicate that the requestor is competent to vote.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  202. Kevin M – your comment at #33 was essentially telling me that my experience wasn’t as bad as I think it was.

    That seems irrelevant to the thrust of your argument.

    Furthermore, while that may very well be an ok thing to say to someone in your social circles, in *mine* it’s *incredibly* rude. Hence the tone of my #41, #43, and #192.

    I *expect* this kind of thing from some members of this community. From you it was a shock.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  203. Idle speculation:

    Do you suppose that the J6 indictments will fail to include an insurrection, incitement or sedition charge, not because they lack the evidence, but because it is desired to have Trump remain the candidate even after multiple felony convictions? A conviction on insurrection-related charges could disqualify him from office, and they don’t want the GOP running someone else.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  204. Kevin M – your comment at #33 was essentially telling me that my experience wasn’t as bad as I think it was.

    That is not what I intended. It was to say that you are not unique and that other people have had different, but still terrible, experiences. Some worse, some not.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  205. It was also to say that, to the degree that you see yourself as a victim, I see that as a mistake as far as getting past it is concerned. It may be TRUE, but it’s not only not useful, in my experience it is counter-productive.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  206. BTW, Sunday’s Wordle (WHALE) in 2.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  207. I thought that US pro sports stars were getting silly amounts of money, but the international football market is truly crazy:


    Saudi Arabia Reportedly Offers $1.1 Billion for Kylian Mbappe

    For ONE year without options.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  208. They’ve done that, particularly with contemporaneous emails/notes.

    whembly (5f7596) — 7/24/2023 @ 8:27 am

    Where are they available to the public?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  209. So, Chris Christie was on Face the Nation (via Twitter), and was asked about Hunter Biden’s tax and gun charges. This is not a man who minces words.

    BRENNAN: And I wonder after this plea happens, if you would advise your party to move on?

    CHRISTIE: No, I wouldn’t Margaret, and here’s why. The conduct here by the US Attorney in Delaware and by the Justice Department just can’t be justified. It doesn’t take five years…as you mentioned, I was the US Attorney in the fifth largest office in the country for seven years during the Bush administration. It does not take five years to investigate two misdemeanor tax counts and to dismiss a gun charge. And we need to know what they were investigating and why these are the charges they concluded to. This is not just any person, this is the son of the President of the United States, and while justice needs to be equal, it needs to be equal. And it doesn’t appear to me that this is the way to do it.

    And then the gun charge, for the coup de grace.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  210. Do you suppose that the J6 indictments will fail to include an insurrection, incitement or sedition charge, not because they lack the evidence, but because it is desired to have Trump remain the candidate even after multiple felony convictions? A conviction on insurrection-related charges could disqualify him from office, and they don’t want the GOP running someone else.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/24/2023 @ 10:46 am

    No, but Trump may not be indicted on insurrection charges (assuming there is evidence) so that there won’t a J6 2.0. Insurrection would be an incendiary charge, and in today’s hyper partisan environment, with calls for Civil War II on the alt-right, it wouldn’t surprise me there could be multiple threats, as well as actual, violence against government institutions and individuals.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  211. Sorry: Link

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  212. Insurrection would be an incendiary charge, and in today’s hyper partisan environment, with calls for Civil War II on the alt-right, it wouldn’t surprise me there could be multiple threats, as well as actual, violence against government institutions and individuals.

    Why would Biden fear this? It would seem like a way to play Lincoln.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  213. *(hat tip Rip for non-controversial neutral language to post text and link)

    BuDuh (b8bd84) — 7/24/2023 @ 7:23 am

    I want to generate discussions with topics I think are being ignored in the conversations here. Feel free to tear apart the arguments made in whatever I post, I don’t care.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  214. Insurrection would be an incendiary charge, and in today’s hyper partisan environment, with calls for Civil War II on the alt-right, it wouldn’t surprise me there could be multiple threats, as well as actual, violence against government institutions and individuals.

    Why would Biden fear this? It would seem like a way to play Lincoln.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/24/2023 @ 11:13 am

    Fear of being a target of the violence?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  215. So, Chris Christie was on Face the Nation (via Twitter), and was asked about Hunter Biden’s tax and gun charges. This is not a man who minces words.

    Christie should be scoring points against Trump, not Margaret Brennan.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  216. Feel free to tear apart the arguments made in whatever I post, I don’t care.

    Then why would you feel the need to tell me?

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  217. Then why would you feel the need to tell me?

    BuDuh (d196b7) — 7/24/2023 @ 11:21 am

    You seem to lack that understanding.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  218. It really bothers you when a Biden defender gets trounced, Rip. Brennan opened a door that Christie waltzed right through despite her “let’s move on” attempts after she realized she was flat footed and caught big time.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  219. It really bothers you when a Biden defender gets trounced, Rip. Brennan opened a door that Christie waltzed right through despite her “let’s move on” attempts after she realized she was flat footed and caught big time.

    BuDuh (d196b7) — 7/24/2023 @ 11:24 am

    Whatever, I don’t watch any of the Sunday talk shows. I just think it is more important for a Republican presidential candidate to keep his eye on the ball, which is not to score points against a reporter but against Donald Trump (which is the whole basis of Christie’s candidacy).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  220. My impression is that you didn’t watch the interview, Rip. Was it too blurry like the Ray Epps stuff?

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  221. My impression is that you didn’t watch the interview, Rip.

    My impression is that Rip doesn’t watch anything he didn’t post himself. Or read anything except to find a way to put it down.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  222. My impression is that you didn’t watch the interview, Rip. ……

    BuDuh (d196b7) — 7/24/2023 @ 11:45 am

    Brilliant observation, since I stated the fact I don’t watch the Sunday news shows 15 minutes before your post.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  223. @DRJ@181-183 Well that was a bit of an overreaction. If I was being a terrible hyperbolic conversational partner in turn, I’d say I was sorry that you were under the spell of OPEC+. However, that’s just unnecessary and nonsensical. I hope you are able to recognize that it is possible to see problems in an industry and still see that their products have benefits. “WELL STOP FLYING THEN!!” is not a serious response.

    @DRJ@198- You realize that article basically says that OPEC+ has significant control over world prices, and then there are these other things that also have effects.

    We can talk about De Beers in the 20th century and the gem vs industrial diamond market and their significant though reduced influence today next if you want.

    Nic (896fdf)

  224. This Will Drive Ron DeSantis’s Polling Averages Down:

    ………
    A Rasmussen survey conducted from July 18 through July 20 of 1,031 likely voters shows DeSantis 44 points behind the former President. Trump has 57% support, with DeSantis at 13%.

    Unlike some polls that show a surge from lower-tier candidates, this one shows the Governor clearly in second place. He’s ahead of former Vice President Mike Pence (5%), former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (5%), U.S. Sen. Tim Scott of South Carolina (4%), former U.N. Ambassador Nikki Haley (4%), former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson (4%) and businessman Vivek Ramaswamy (3%).
    ……….
    (The) Race to the White House predicts that if state-level nominating contests were held today, Trump would win all 50 states. Trump would have 2,134 delegates, with DeSantis at 241.
    ###########

    The Race to the White House Republican primary candidate national polling averages:

    Trump 51.9%

    DeSantis 18.8%

    Ramaswamy 5.9%

    Pence 5.2%

    Haley 3.5%

    Scott 3.4%

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  225. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/24/2023 @ 12:29 pm

    I find it hard to believe Hutchinson is at 4%, when his national polling average is .6%. Other candidates:

    Christie 2.7%
    Burgum 0.5%
    Elder 0.3%

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  226. Rip,

    If Christie is the anti-Trump, maintaining his intellectual honesty is important. Just changing the conversation back to Trump when asked about H Biden would make him…dare I say, a Democrat?

    Appalled (5d512b)

  227. Yawn.

    You commented on Kevin’s quote that came from Kevin’s link that has the video of the interview. By inserting yourself as an expert on this subject, like the other thousand things you know better than others, you should have gone the extra step to watch the video at the link. But you didn’t.

    Trying to slip out of the cuffs by claiming you don’t watch Sunday shows is pretty weak.

    I do apologize that I have interrupted your daily Biden defense session of demanding evidence in triplicate from the commenters that you expect to do a better job of research than the extremely low bar you set for yourself.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  228. Whatever. Biden won’t even be the Democratic nominee.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  229. I do apologize that I have interrupted your daily Biden defense session of demanding evidence in triplicate from the commenters….

    One copy will do. 😜

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  230. Kevin M, at 210 — i’m glad that was helpful for you.

    For me, though — one of the things about childhood trauma is that, especially at a younger age, children often respond to the trauma by internalizing responsibility for it. Overcoming that sense of internalized responsibility is an important part of the healing process — being able to say, no, as a seven year old I had *no responsibility at all* for preventing my own abuse, this is *entirely* on my broken parents and stepparents who simply *failed*, and their failure wasn’t a reflection of me in any way — that was an incredibly important step.

    I’m an adult now, and I have a responsibility to use the tools I have to heal — or, if the wound can’t be healed, to develop coping strategies that prevent me from harming other people. *Choosing* to do that, and then *doing the work*, is on me, and I can’t avoid that responsibility.

    But the underlying, originating harm? Not my responsibility as a kid to prevent myself from being abused by my parents, and trying to make it my responsibility in my own mind would be harmful (and would undo years of successful work).

    My situation isn’t yours, yours might be different. But for me — I *was* a victim, and it’s valuable to proclaim that while at the same time thinking about how I carry out my responsibility, to myself and my community, of healing from the injury.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  231. Whatever. Biden won’t even be the Democratic nominee.

    But he’s WAY ahead in the polls!

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  232. @233

    Whatever. Biden won’t even be the Democratic nominee.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/24/2023 @ 12:44 pm

    Getting pretty late for any other Democrat candidates to jump in.

    I’d say Gavin Newson has until Labor Day to announce. If he hasn’t, it’s going to be Biden again.

    whembly (5f7596)

  233. You won’t truly heal until you let it go.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  234. Looks like Devon Archer is bailing on the committee hearing again.

    Seems like his attorneys is trying to get a Biden pardon…

    whembly (5f7596)

  235. Whatever. Biden won’t even be the Democratic nominee.

    But he’s WAY ahead in the polls!

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:10 pm

    Biden will probably quit due to “ill health” or be impeached.

    Newsom won’t need to run in any of the primaries. He will be nominated by acclimation at the convention.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  236. Seems like his attorneys is trying to get a Biden pardon…

    whembly (5f7596) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:13 pm

    Fat chance of that happening.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  237. Archer’s attorneys are likely reading this open thread and gaining confidence from the support comments.

    Without all the evidence spread throughout the public domain before any sort of interview, it seems pretty clear that any evidence probably does not exist.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  238. DRJ@198- You realize that article basically says that OPEC+ has significant control over world prices, and then there are these other things that also have effects.

    We can talk about De Beers in the 20th century and the gem vs industrial diamond market and their significant though reduced influence today next if you want.

    Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2023 @ 12:18 pm

    You realize we had significant influence and had crippled OPEC till Biden damaged our energy production to score points with the radical left luddites, right?

    NJRob (a4a571)

  239. it seems pretty clear that any evidence probably does not exist.

    Shocking!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  240. @177 These voters requested ballots they did it before jan.1 2023. AOC is the future and her voters are not ill informed. They know all to well who their enemy is and will soon be the majority. Young latinx love AOC and is their role model.

    asset (430da4)

  241. @241

    Seems like his attorneys is trying to get a Biden pardon…

    whembly (5f7596) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:13 pm

    Fat chance of that happening.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:29 pm

    Probably… probably not.

    Archer can really harm Biden’s re-election chances if he bolsters the corruption allegations.

    whembly (5f7596)

  242. @NJRob@243 Almost all non-politically motivated pieces on the oil industry, including ones by people involved in the energy industry, say that US policy on US energy production has little effect on the global oil markets. You are reporting political rhetoric as news and it isn’t.

    Nic (896fdf)

  243. whembly (5f7596) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:10 pm

    Getting pretty late for any other Democrat candidates to jump in.

    Not too late for Biden to drop out either because of scandal or disability.

    Gavin Newsom is spending money outside of California buying billboards and TV ads and for travel and meeting people but nobody can say he’s a candidate now.

    The New York Post thinks he might be trying to navigate a political whirlpool

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/22/two-california-laws-could-pit-newsom-against-desantis

    …Assembly Bills 665 and 957 are both on the verge of passage, potentially putting Newsom in the center of the volatile parental rights debate, which rival Florida Governor Ron DeSantis has made such a signature issue that he even created a political action committee called “Empower Parents PAC.”

    AB 665 cites the need to protect “LGBTQ+ youth” from “rejection from parents” and “negativity present in society.”

    It would allow children as young as 12 to enter residential shelters in order to receive mental health services. Parents would not have to give their consent and might not even be notified that their child is receiving such care.

    Instead, under AB 665, “professional persons” — even a “social work intern” — providing treatment or counseling would be allowed to decide whether it would be “inappropriate” to let parents know what’s happening with their kids.

    Current California law generally doesn’t allow children as young as 12 to receive mental health treatments or shelter care without parental consent unless the child is a danger to themselves or others, or the alleged victim of abuse. AB 665 removes these conditions.

    The other politically fraught bill that could confront Newsom is AB 957, which affects child custody disputes.

    Current law requires a court that is deciding custody to determine the best interests of the child based on factors such as their health, safety and welfare.

    AB 957 expands the definition of “health, safety, and welfare” to include “a parent’s affirmation of the child’s gender identity or gender expression.”

    Presumably, whatever a doctor says, goes, and cannot be disputed. Or the parent leaning more toward what they say gets custody, especially if it has been going on for some time.

    The ZNew York Post editorial says:

    For example, California Penal Code Section 11165.6 defines “child abuse or neglect” as “the willful harming or injuring of a child or the endangering of the person or health of a child.”

    But does it endanger the health of a child to withhold medical interventions such as puberty blockers or other transgender-related procedures? Or does it endanger the health of the child to allow it?

    And who decides? The child? A judge? A social work intern?

    The medical professional with the higher status.

    Putin now has a cause:

    https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-gender-reassignment-banned-putin-signs-law/32517157.html

    Of course, this is the old time Communists supporting civil rights.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  244. But it isn’t shocking that Archer’s lawyers are reading this open thread and making decisions based off of the comment section?

    This is my fault. I did not use the sarcasm tags figuring that it was obvious.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  245. @206 This was done to stop democrats from voting not the excuses you give because more democrats vote by mail then republicans. OK when AOC and the squad take over the democrat party republicans will have to prove they are not insurrectionists before they can register are vote we to can prevent the other party from voting.

    asset (430da4)

  246. Almost all non-politically motivated pieces on the oil industry, including ones by people involved in the energy industry, say that US policy on US energy production has little effect on the global oil markets. You are reporting political rhetoric as news and it isn’t.

    Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2023 @ 1:42 pm

    Those people are lying or ignorant of economics. If you claim that OPEC can rig lrices by controlling the spigot and flow of energy, America outproducing their members increases the supply and lowers the price.

    That’s econ 101 and any unbiased individual that can do math and understand supply and demand can show as much.

    NJRob (a4a571)

  247. Asset,

    according to your leftist peers, they aren’t capable of getting ID to vote so how are they able to fill out a ballot correctly or ask for one?

    NJRob (a4a571)

  248. Time123 (44665a) — 7/24/2023 @ 8:49 am

    The IRS agents seem credible to be me for what they’re asserting

    There are six people who could be called as witnesses and a contemporary email sent and received discussing what US Attorney David Weiss he said in a meeting on October 7. 2022 about not being in a position to bring charges – the first time he had told them that

    and sufficient ground to pull the USA (can’t recall his name)

    David Weiss.

    and ask them what if any interference or guidance they got from main justice.

    Merrick Garland and David Weiss were playing with words. But in addition, there must have been some specific guidance – like he had to really make the case to the other U.S. attorneys.

    What the agents assert isn’t on its face evidence of impropriety or a cover up but it merits additional questions.

    They discuss how leads weren’t pursued.

    Information about individual audits ordinarily can never become public unless first submitted to the House Ways and Means Committee (or similar Senate tax writing committee)

    The US Attorney’s public statements clearly state that he was free to pursue the case as he saw fit, but let’s get that on the record and under oath.

    This is where the playing with words comes in. He won’t reiterate it. What we want to know is what kinds of constraints he was under.

    And this from a president who wants more audits of high income people to close the tax gap! But a lot of this was going on while Donald Trump was still president.

    I’m sure there are DOJ policies that need to be waived to get this testimony, but since we’re talking about the presidents son there’s very good reason to waive them so this testimony can be heard. If it matches his public statements I’d consider the issue closed.

    It will be argued that both statements are true.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  249. If you claim that OPEC can rig prices by controlling the spigot and flow of energy, America outproducing their members increases the supply and lowers the price.

    Both have effects, but one will be dominant, especially in the short run.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  250. Sammy, thank you for the reply. I’m still at “get Weiss” under oath and ask him what was going on. There are benign and malignant explanations for what the investigators are asserting.

    Time123 (44665a)

  251. Time123 (44665a) — 7/24/2023 @ 2:12 pm

    I’m still at “get Weiss” under oath and ask him what was going on.

    Definitely. I think the House Committee wants to do that.

    There are benign and malignant explanations for what the investigators are asserting.

    We know too little to say for sure, but the IRS whistleblowers say there never was a case in their experiences where someone got so many breaks in his favor.

    The most benign explanation would be that this all was an accident and not contrived by President Biden or his appointees.

    Here’s a press release from Senate Republicans citing various editorials: (Republicans do not control Senate Committees)

    https://www.judiciary.senate.gov/press/rep/releases/what-they-are-saying-us-attorney-weiss-response-to-graham-creates-more-questions-than-answers

    “On Monday, Weiss tried to squirm his way out of this vice in a terse, disingenuous letter to Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC).

    “In a nutshell, Weiss is straining to back up Garland while hoping no one notices that he does not deny the whistleblower allegations.”

    “To begin with, if Weiss were denying the accounts of Shapley and at least one other whistleblower (the main IRS investigator on the case), he would say so. He hasn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  252. 185.

    In a direct challenge to the Biden family narrative, Hunter Biden’s former best friend, who served as a director of the Ukrainian energy company Burisma along with him, will reportedly say that Hunter Biden put his father on the phone roughly two dozen times as Hunter spoke to his foreign business partners or business investors.

    Joe Biden has repeatedly claimed he did not speak with his son about Hunter’s foreign business dealings.

    There’s no contradiction.

    Miranda Devine wrote in the New York Post today:

    https://nypost.com/2023/07/23/hunter-biden-put-then-vp-dad-joe-on-the-phone-with-business-associates-at-least-2-dozen-times-ex-partner-devon-archer-to-testify

    VP Biden greeted the Ukrainians but spoke only in vague pleasantries during the short call, and in other such interactions with Hunter’s overseas business partners, Archer is expected to testify.

    I think it is confirmed somewhere else that at another time Joe Biden dropped in in a meeting Hunter had with someone.

    It was, presumably, to enable Hunter to have more credibility at influence peddling without actually Joe Biden involving himself.

    This article also explains how Zlochevsky could have recordings of Joe Biden (and that they might not mean anything though)

    There’s been an active dispute about whether or not Viktor Shokin was seriously investigating Zlochevsky.

    I think Joe Biden made up that story about a cancelled press conference (CFR JAn 23, 2018) and earlier (Aug 2016 Atlantic supplementary material) the flabbergasted US Ambassador Geoffrey Pyatt when VP Biden claimed to have independent authority too refuse loan guarantees.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  253. I would guess that Florida Republicans don’t want anybody on a permanent absentee list but hey do like them in individual elections. The rules are designed for partisan advantage.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  254. The New York Post ran a headline Saturday claiming that New York City electricity bills were going to double by 2025. I doubted that and indeed it was not backed up by the story..

    They apparently took an average electric bill and a big gas bill (for heating?) added some 20%+ increases spread over three years and seem to have added the gas bill increase to the electric bill alone.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  255. But it isn’t shocking that Archer’s lawyers are reading this open thread and making decisions based off of the comment section?

    I think it was my prediction that MTG would introduce him with a bubble dance. Maybe if she cut down on the sowbelly and grits and firmed up a little?

    nk (68f280)

  256. This Devon Archer?

    An ex-business partner of Hunter Biden lost his appeal to have his conviction and sentence tossed Wednesday — and could next be headed to prison for his role in swindling a Native American tribe out of $60 million in bonds.

    nk (68f280) — 7/24/2023 @ 7:46 am

    Or this Archer?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  257. Do you suppose that the J6 indictments will fail to include an insurrection, incitement or sedition charge, not because they lack the evidence, but because it is desired to have Trump remain the candidate even after multiple felony convictions? A conviction on insurrection-related charges could disqualify him from office, and they don’t want the GOP running someone else.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/24/2023 @ 10:46 am

    Trump’s enemies pursue more and more indictments — to ensure his 2024 nomination
    ……….
    Donald Trump and his adversaries want profoundly different things in the long run — Trump wants to be back in the White House; Democrats want him in an orange jumpsuit.

    Yet in the shorter term, they both are seeking the same thing — Trump as the Republican nominee, either so he can sweep to victory (Trump’s view) or be beaten again and pay the price for his crimes (the Democrats’ view).

    The serial indictments of Trump, even if it’s not their primary purpose, advance this mutual interest.
    ………
    Consider this thought experiment: If the Justice Department and the other prosecutors knew that the indictments guaranteed a Ron DeSantis or Tim Scott nomination, would they still go through with them?

    If they thought they made Trump a stronger general-election candidate and the favorite to beat Joe Biden, would they still pull the trigger?
    ……….
    For Trump, the Leninist logic of the worse, the better applies — the more he’s indicted and the weaker the cases, the more Republicans are inclined to believe he’s the victim of a politicized justice system.
    ……….
    Again, if Trump’s prosecutors believed that rushing to trial would somehow boost Trump against Biden, it’s hard to see them being so desperate to get him in courtrooms as soon as possible.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  258. @NJRob@251 Some of the ones I read are by economists including one of the ones DRJ linked. OPEC+ countries control 80% of world oil reserves. The + part of OPEC+ was formed in 2016 specifically to try to block having the oil market be less under control and more influenced by market factor. Trump administration policies were not particularly useful in blocking them.

    The US cannot flat-out out produce the members of OPEC+. We don’t have the oil reserves available for it. Venezuela alone has 7X more crude oil reserves than we do. The US is estimated to have roughly a total 44.4 billion gallons of oil that could theoretically be produced ever based on our knowledge at this time. The world production of oil was almost 33 billion gallons in 2021 alone. And on top of that according to the American Petroleum Institute US oil companies aren’t in a position to increase oil production at this time, even though they already have the drilling permits for a 10% increase.

    (And would US oil companies see an increase in production possibly leading to any reduction in oil prices to be to their benefit?)

    Nic (896fdf)

  259. @252 some years ago republican think tank looking into how to stop democrats from voting found far more democrats being poorer are less likely to have documentation like birth certificates so the republicans passed id laws to stop democrats from voting.

    asset (230fd0)

  260. Chuck Ross

    @ChuckRossDC
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    NEW statement from Devon Archer attorney Matthew Schwartz. He says Archer has testified before a federal grand jury and confirms he will be deposed before Oversight next week.

    Devon Archer believes strongly in the rule of law and the democratic system, and is prepared to answer the Committee’s questions just as he has already answered similar questions from a federal grand jury, the Department of Justice, and several other government agencies in their investigations concerning the Biden family. There have been many leaks and much speculation about Mr. Archer’s potential statement to the Oversight Committee, but next week, Mr. Archer will get to speak for himself.

    https://twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1683594688358432769

    They better release the grand jury transcripts and any evidence presented to them RIGHt NOW!!

    Otherwise this is just more Jordan and Comer Jiggery Pokery.

    #NoProof

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  261. U.S. Oil Boom Blunts OPEC’s Pricing Power
    ………..
    U.S. crude output this year through April is up 9% from a year ago, surprising analysts given that oil futures were sliding and the country’s shale boom was showing signs of peaking. The surge is being driven in part by improved production efficiency, and signals that the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries’ power to control prices could be waning as output continues to grow in the rest of the world.
    ……….
    OPEC and its allies so far this year have announced cuts amounting to about 6% of last year’s production. Crude prices have nevertheless slid by about 13%. ……Increased output in countries outside OPEC is making up for about two-thirds of the alliance’s cuts, according to estimates by Rystad Energy.

    Half of that new crude is coming from the U.S., where major producers including ConocoPhillips, Devon Energy, Pioneer Energy and EOG delivered strong production in the first quarter. Smaller private companies are reaping the rewards of a drilling surge they made last year when oil prices were higher.
    ……..
    The increased efficiency means EOG Resources can earn as much from oil priced at $42 a barrel today as it would have from oil trading at $86 nine years ago. People familiar with Saudi oil policy have said the government’s budget requires an estimated $81 a barrel. Brent crude is trading around $76 a barrel, down 13% from the start of the year.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  262. Devon Archer believes strongly in the rule of law……..

    That must a first for a convicted felon.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  263. They better release the grand jury transcripts and any evidence presented to them RIGHt NOW!!

    There are no grand jury transcripts, unless Merrick Garland is conducting a secret investigation into Biden.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  264. There better be something….
    or it is all fake news.

    Thanks for the heads up on Hunter’s associate. nk did an equally excellent job.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  265. Allegation: A claim or assertion that someone has done something illegal or wrong, typically one made without proof.

    Evidence: The available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.

    See the difference? All we have heard are “allegations.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  266. That is all you were wanking about?

    My apologies.

    Can a credible person make an allegation?

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  267. That is all you were wanking about?

    My apologies.

    Can a credible person make an allegation?

    BuDuh (d196b7) — 7/24/2023 @ 5:51 pm

    It seems to be hard concept for some people to understand.

    A credible person can certainly make allegations, but that doesn’t make their allegations credible.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  268. Do you have reason to believe that the two career IRS agents that testified under oath to The Oversight Committee are less that credible people? A track record of disciplinary actions against them? Some sort of details regarding payoffs or corruption on their part?

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  269. Domestic policies impact the oil industry. Oil companies, especially independent oil operators, need pipelines to transport product and refineries to process it. We don’t have it because of domestic policies limiting construction of pipelines and refineries; the fact that different refineries process different types of oil (not all oil is the same); and the extraordinary cost and regulatory burden of building refineries.

    By the way, Venezuela and Saudi Arabia may have the most proven reserves, but Venezuela’s are not produced because of political/economic/stability factors. Nic is right about the Saudis. Unlike US producers that are market-driven, the Saudis manipulate the market through OPEC. But because of shale oil and technological advances, the US has the most recoverable untapped reserves in the world. It’s just not cost effective to produce it with no pipelines to ship ir and no refineries to process it.

    DRJ (531157)

  270. …less than credible…

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  271. “Drivel” has two meanings.

    1. talk nonsense.
    “he was driveling on about the dirt they will prove on Hunter Biden that they somehow never seem able to produce”

    2. ARCHAIC
    let saliva or mucus flow from the mouth or nose.
    “the nurse leaves you to drivel, and never wipes your nose”

    With some people, you can’t tell the difference.

    nk (68f280)

  272. Do you have reason to believe that the two career IRS agents that testified under oath to The Oversight Committee are less that credible people? A track record of disciplinary actions against them? Some sort of details regarding payoffs or corruption on their part?

    BuDuh (d196b7) — 7/24/2023 @ 6:00 pm

    I haven’t a clue about their background or work history, or integrity; or whether they are Trump or Biden partisans. But like everyone else who makes an allegation, it remains so until evidence is produced to support it. Do you know the details about their background or work history? Otherwise you are taking a lot on faith.

    I do think the Oversight Committee is less than credible. Chair Comer didn’t say anything about the Porn Princess’s performance.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  273. Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2023 @ 3:27 pm

    Except that we did become an energy exporter under Trump and broke the back of OPEC during that time. We also ramped up production of shale gas and reduced the tireless regulations that leftists use to harm production. Unfortunately Biden has reversed course and harmed our nation’s energy production and future growth.

    It’s useless to have leases in areas that aren’t production capable. Biden has turned his back on producing energy because it’s what the radical left wants. They dream in producing energy from unicorn farts or some such nonsense.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  274. The hearing detailed their background and work history. You probably missed it judging by your comments.

    What you had were two career IRS witnesses whose expertise on the specific allegations. It seems to be hard concept for some people to understand, but their statements and responses, regarding those allegations, were in and of themselves evidence of the allegations.

    A person who has done a certain job for 14 years saying he had never seen the actions taken for Hunter Biden’s case is evidence. You want to make his allegation and evidence not credible, it is on you. I am assuming one of your hats is that of an IRS investigator. I don’t have that in my role-play arsenal so I will go with the expert witness under oath.

    Speaking of role play, was your porn stuff for a different forum or was it part of that low bar you strive for when defending the Biden’s? Because it is irrelevant to the IRS agents and their testimony.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  275. Archer can really harm Biden’s re-election chances if he bolsters the corruption allegations.

    A pardon removes his right not to testify, but it does not remove the threat of a perjury charge.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  276. Play time is over.

    Off to dinner.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  277. It’s no surprise that Trumpadoodles like a con-man who stole $60 million from an Indian tribe. And maybe it should not be a surprise that they now like IRS agents. How many of them know what IRS spells?

    nk (68f280)

  278. @NJRob@278 The Oil market had weakened somewhat between 2005-2016. OPEC+ formed in 2016 to counteract earlier breakthroughs in OPEC’s control of the market due to oil producers like Russia who were not OPEC members (the low point was in early Feb of 2016). By drawing Russia and similar producers into the fold, it shored up their control and oil prices made ongoing gains throughout the Trump administration (I do not think this was particularly Trump’s fault, I am using it as a time marker since you seem to find it to be important) until April of 2020 when demand plunged off a cliff faster than OPEC+ could correct for when everyone had to stay home due to COVID. OPEC’s back isn’t broken, though if the article Rip linked to above regarding recent technology improvements holds true over the long term, their influence may be weakened until they are able to catch up again.

    Nic (896fdf)

  279. What if the oil companies decided to DESTROY CIVILIZATION as we know it by doing nothing more drastic than giving every one of their workers, from gas station attendants to oil tanker captains, a fully-paid one-month’s vacation and telling them NOT TO SHOW UP for work? Do we have a STRATEGIC PLAN for that?

    nk (78befd)

  280. On that same vein, does CHINO VALLEY UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT require school football coaches to immediately notify the parents whenever a member of the SCHOOL BOARD shows up at practice in a very short skirt, halter top, and platforms, and offers to give the players a lift home?

    nk (78befd)

  281. Rip, why don’t you view the IRS agrents as credible? They seem to have legitimate concerns that merit follow up. I’m not saying their concerns / assertions are proven fact but I think they form a basis for further investigation.

    If Weis testifies that he had decision making authority, wasn’t pressured improperly, and made the decisions he die for legitimate reasons I’m good. Prosecutors have discretion and it’s understandable that not everyone will agree.

    If he testifies otherwise, or can’t say that clearly, it would suggest a different approach is needed.

    The president’s son was investigated for
    Criminal activity. We should take accusations of favoritism very seriously. The prosecutor in charge was appointed by Trump and assigned this case under Barr. That goes a long way with me on the investigation being done properly. But I’d like to have these accusations responded to under oath with cross examination.

    Time123 (5310d0)

  282. So much for free speech at our universities, especially if you criticize certain elected officials.

    Cary Harding, a respected economist, was in a panic.

    The University of Washington professor had just returned home from giving a routine lecture on inflation and gas prices at Central Washington University when he learned a student had accused him of disparaging Gov. Jay Inslee for his CO2 tax on gasoline during the talk.

    In the few hours it took to drive from Ellensburg, the complaint had made its way to his supervisors, and Harding’s job was suddenly at risk.

    “I am in a ton of trouble. Please call me!” he wrote to Chandler Self, the CWU professor who invited him to speak.

    Harding was right to be afraid. Not only were his supervisors involved, but so was Chancellor John Sharp, a former state comptroller who now holds the highest-ranking position at University of Washington system of campuses, which includes 11 public universities and 153,000 students. And Sharp was communicating directly with the governor’s office about the incident, promising swift action.

    Less than two hours after the lecture ended, Patrick’s chief of staff had sent Sharp a link to Harding’s professional bio.

    Shortly after, Sharp sent a text directly to the governor: “Cary Harding has been placed on administrative leave pending investigation re firing him. shud [sic] be finished by end of week.”

    The text message was signed “jsharp.”

    More here.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  283. Paul,

    that type pf abuse has been going on in our universities for at least 30 years. If you don’t toe the leftist line, you will be destroyed.

    Even if he wins in court, he will ha e no place to return to.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  284. Eh? Or is it “Heh”?

    The linked story is not about CWU, carbon tax, and Inslee, it’s about Texas A&M, opioids, and Dan Patrick.

    Either way, don’t nobody panic. Both are state institutions and should the professor(s) get themselves a good lawyer, the politicos will be looking at a world of hurt.

    nk (78befd)

  285. The names and locations were changed, to protect from hypocrisy.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  286. BTW, I’m in the state where Bret Weinstein was practically run out of Evergreen State College, because he declined to take a day off and attend a woke sensitivity “training” session for his “crime” of being a white guy.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  287. Regarding the new FL curriculum on black history, Catoggio offers a fair perspective. Like I said above, their phrasing was problematic for making it sound like slaves were in involved in job training programs for their “personal benefit”, but this is a fair context.

    I suspect the lesson about learning a trade amid horrendous oppression is chiefly a lesson about black Americans’ resilience and a tribute to their indomitability. And, of course, a reminder of how much human potential was exploited by the institution on pain of death.
    […]
    Why are so many so eager to punish DeSantis over this sin-that-isn’t-a-sin when he has so many actual sins that he might more properly be punished for?

    We might answer that question with a question. What has Ron DeSantis done to earn the benefit of the doubt on this controversy from anyone observing it from afar?

    Note that the bit about slaves accruing a “personal benefit” while enslaved isn’t the only eyebrow-raising passage in the new curriculum. One lesson for grades 9-12 focuses on violence “perpetrated against and by African Americans” during the early 20th century, which is a bit like focusing on violence perpetrated “against and by” Jews in occupied Europe. No doubt there are subjects like the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising that could rightly be tossed in the “by” column, but to both-sides a conflict in which the victim and victimizer are plainly apparent smells of moral equivalence.

    Another problem: When members of the Florida curriculum board were asked for examples of slaves who acquired skills from which they later benefited, they identified 16 historic figures. But not all of those were slaves, it turns out. And some who were enslaved briefly as children ended up developing the talents for which they later became known only after they were emancipated.

    If you insist upon instructing students in the useful skills African Americans acquired from slavery, your facts had better be immaculate. To flub the details of this lesson among all lessons is to invite skepticism of the rigor of the entire curriculum and of the apolitical good faith of the experts’ motives. (Some liberals on social media also flagged a passage citing comparatively little-known conservative scholars Thomas Sowell and Shelby Steele alongside figures like LBJ and John Lewis as having “shaped the modern Civil Rights efforts.”) If there was any chance of DeSantis getting the benefit of the doubt from neutral parties, his team of scholars may have squandered it with their sloppiness.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  288. Here are the ratings for all 50 US governors. Republican Phil Scott of Vermont leads the list. (Not all that long ago, Republicans dominated the top ten. More damage from the Loser? Perhaps.)

    I think it fair to say that California’s Gavin Newsom under performs, given how Democratic that state is. (Perhaps he should invite more people to join him at the French Laundry.)

    Jim Miller (0c4326)

  289. Except Paul,

    a leftist will always find a job at a different university. A conservative won’t.

    Look no further than the communist fraud Boudin landing a job at Bezerkley.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  290. Here’s further confirmation that politicizing vaccines hurt my party more.

    Registered Republicans experienced a “significantly higher” rate of excess deaths than Democrats in Florida and Ohio in the months after COVID-19 vaccines were made widely available, a new study has found.

    Disclaimer: This is about the anti-vaxxers and their pied piper cranks like RFK Jr., who now has strange new respect in the GOP, not about those who are pro-vaccine and anti-governmental mandate. Personally, I’m okay with employer mandates and cruise ship mandates* for vaccines, for example, but not with governors or presidents requiring private citizens to take their shots. Schools (at least the sensible ones) always had parental opt-outs.

    * A good friend of mine is majorly anti-vax and loves going on cruises but, during the pandemic, refused to go on board because they required their passengers be vaccinated. He’s finally traveling the Baltic right now (first time on cruise ship since 2019), now that the requirements have been lifted. He even looks a little like Ron Johnson.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  291. So much for free speech at our universities, especially if you criticize certain elected officials.

    I should have known better. If it was the situation you pretended it was, you would have just let it go.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  292. Here are the ratings for all 50 US governors

    That list is purely by approval rating, and ignores disapproval numbers in its ranking. A more interesting list would be by the delta. This would change the rankings some.

    I find it surprising though that every governor has a positive approve-disapprove score. Then again it’s Morning Consult.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  293. Here’s further confirmation that politicizing vaccines hurt my party more.

    Again, had Trump won and been promoting his “beautiful miracle vaccine”, the Left would have been the ones going on about it not being tested, being just a money grab by Big Pharma, and showing a complete ignorance of statistics or cause-and-effect.

    And RFK Jr would be 2024’s presumptive Democrat candidate.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  294. Schools (at least the sensible ones) always had parental opt-outs.

    This is why we still have measles.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  295. More from Paul’s link:

    The researchers emphasize that the study has limitations including that they did not examine causes of death nor individual vaccination status.

    Seems important.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  296. Hopefully this was not a staged disruption as some say is wont with his campaign. Bill Lee dodged the same section of the history books as John Connolly.

    https://apnews.com/article/desantis-car-accident-tennessee-republican-presidential-primary-112875e0a25f6cc001e370aafa70db0b

    urbanleftbehind (6f08f8)

  297. Lesson from Montagu — always click on the link or comment at your own risk.

    FYI, I would not do that to people. At least I don’t think I would. Well…..maybe.

    Appalled (721968)

  298. @nk@285 Actually, yes. School connected adults offering kids a ride home without parental permission is part of the sexual abuse training.

    Nic (896fdf)

  299. (And would US oil companies see an increase in production possibly leading to any reduction in oil prices to be to their benefit?)

    Nic (896fdf) — 7/24/2023 @ 3:27 pm

    To clarify, there are multinational oil companies like ExxonMobil and ConocoPhillps. There are also many, many domestic oil operators and producers. The independents are the inventors and drivers of shale oil technology. So the various companies putsue their iwn agendas and are not in lockstep.

    DRJ (531157)

  300. Today, my doctor speculated that Bronny James (and other athletes) heart problems are from the Covid vaccines.

    DRJ (531157)

  301. Joe Biden’s former press secretary and legal counsel was working for the DOJ and David Weiss during the start of the Hunter Biden probe. He was emailing Hunter Biden, calling him “brother” and giving him financial advice.

    I mean, can’t even write a West Wing script as good as this.

    I knew DC is like Mos Eisley where everyone knows everyone… but, man, I’m still consistently shocked as how incestuous these relationships are in DC.

    All the more reasons that we should elect politicians who’s willing to devolve much of the federal bureaucracy from DC to the rest of the country.

    whembly (5f7596)

  302. Whembly, that’s interesting but I’m not finding much about it from google…can I trouble you for a link or more information?

    Time123 (9d96c9)

  303. The hearing detailed their background and work history. …….their statements and responses, regarding those allegations, were in and of themselves evidence of the allegations.

    I’m sure their work histories were put in the best possible light. I doubt their allegations would have been treated as evidence in court.

    A person who has done a certain job for 14 years saying he had never seen the actions taken for Hunter Biden’s case is evidence.

    No it’s not-it’s an observation. Again, probably not admissible.

    Speaking of role play, was your porn stuff for a different forum or was it part of that low bar you strive for when defending the Biden’s? Because it is irrelevant to the IRS agents and their testimony.

    The low bar is that set by the Oversight (and Judiciary) Committee, which treats any allegation against President Biden, not matter how preposterous, as the gospel truth. Regarding the Porn Princess, she displayed Hunter Biden’s nudes during the same hearing, and asked the IRS agents questions about the Mann Act. Her stunt, and Comer’s (lack of any response) speaks volumes about how seriously she took the hearing (and who has the power in the House).

    But then again, Biden’s impeachment is back on the table. I hope a serious inquiry (sans nudies) is made.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  304. @307

    Whembly, that’s interesting but I’m not finding much about it from google…can I trouble you for a link or more information?

    Time123 (9d96c9) — 7/25/2023 @ 11:49 am

    Coulda swore I included the link…

    Here, lemme try it again: https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/house/close-biden-political-aide-weiss-hunter

    whembly (5f7596)

  305. Rip, why don’t you view the IRS agrents as credible? They seem to have legitimate concerns that merit follow up.

    Because these are allegations without supporting evidence. In fact USA David Weiss has specifically denied their allegations regarding his role in the investigation. I view their allegations, absent any definitive evidence, as an extension of how the Oversight and Judiciary Committees will believe anything negative about Biden as President. They barely acknowledge his election.

    I get it though. They wish Trump had been reelected, and are doing their best to soften up Biden for the inevitable rematch.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  306. If it was the situation you pretended it was, you would have just let it go.

    That’s a dishonest hypothetical, Kevin. I brought up Weinstein’s for a reason.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  307. Whembly, thank you for the link. Totally agree with you that the relationships there are a mess of conflicting interests

    Time123 (9d96c9)

  308. Seems important.

    Was there any other notable reason for excess deaths in that time period?

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  309. Rip Murdock (364a93) — 7/22/2023 @ 8:00 am

    while the IRS whistleblowers did not have direct knowledge of US Attorney David Weiss’s conversations with the DOJ or why certain decisions were made at higher levels. They just assumed it was part of coverup without any evidence.

    No, U.S. Attorney David Weiss practically told them in so many words in an office meeting on October 7, 2022 that there was a coverup. There was no other way to understand him.

    This was the issue: Hunter Biden had made very questionable deductions in his 2014 and 2015 tax returns. And had not filed any returns for 2016 2017 and 2018. Now, taking false deductions is considered worse by the IRS than not filing a return at all. It usually calls for a felony charge.

    Hunter Biden’s lawyers had agreed to toll (extend) the statute of limitations for 2014 and 2015, which is often done when an indictment.

    But now, it seems, they weren’t agreeing to do that any more, and the statute of limitations would run out in a month. They were calling his bluff.

    So they asked David Weiss why wasn’t he indicting Hunter Biden? Or maybe why wasn’t the investigation being rushed?

    He responded by saying that he wasn’t the one making the decision – and that he could not bring charges in another jurisdiction (which for 2014 and 2015 was DC) without the permission of the U.S. Attorney there.

    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/six-key-takeaways-from-the-released-irs-whistleblower-transcripts

    …” Whistleblowers also testified that U.S. Attorney for the District of Delaware David Weiss told them at a meeting on October 7, 2022, that he tried to bring charges in the District of Columbia around March 2022 and was denied. Weiss sought special counsel status from DOJ [note: this may be amisunderstanding – it wasn’t special counsel status but special attorney status, and he may not have formally sought it] in the Spring of 2022 and was denied.

    More recently:

    Investigators later learned that Weiss sought to bring charges in the Central District of California [for other tax years after 2015 because it was determined that Hunter Biden’s place of residence was California then] and had that request denied in January 2023.

    And they had been told earlier by Weiss’s deputy Lesley Wolf (in December 2020) that that their office could get in hot water if they pursued certain steps like getting a search warrant for the guest house of former Vice President Biden. (i.e., it would look like Trump was investigating his rival, Joe Biden, whom he was still challenging after the election was called)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  310. Rip, Their observations, under oath, are evidence. It’s not proof of wrongdoing, it’s not proof of a crime, but it’s a reasonable basis for additional investigation. As I said before if Weiss testifies that he had full authority and no one tried to improperly influence him, and that this is a disagreement in how discretion should be applied I’ll consider it resolved. But an innocent explanation for their observations doesn’t mean they themselves aren’t credible.

    Time123 (9d96c9)

  311. Today, my doctor speculated that Bronny James (and other athletes) heart problems are from the Covid vaccines.

    What’s your opinion about the doctor’s comment, DRJ? As I understand it, there’s a higher chance of myocarditis from the virus than from the vaccine.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  312. And they had been told earlier by Weiss’s deputy Lesley Wolf (in December 2020) that that their office could get in hot water if they pursued certain steps like getting a search warrant for the guest house of former Vice President Biden. (i.e., it would look like Trump was investigating his rival, Joe Biden, whom he was still challenging after the election was called)

    This would imply that they were going easy on Hunter in an effort to help Trump. Which is funny when you think about it.

    Time123 (9d96c9)

  313. Link.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  314. DOJ has now agreed that David Weiss can testify.

    https://www.foxnews.com/video/6331815088112

    David Weiss cleared to testify in public hearing before House Judiciary Committee: DOJ

    This came in a letter sent to the committee yesterday. Although I think Did Weiss will try to protect Merrick Garland, perhaps with the truth, but the truth is a Catch-22.
    The Republicans have been making out that somebody is a liar.

    Maybe not exactly.

    There has been a lot of double talk.

    From the first link:

    6. Attorney General Merrick Garland and U.S. Attorney David Weiss are telling different stories about who was in charge of the investigation – and only one story can be true.

    April 2022 – Garland testifies before the Senate that U.S. Attorney David Weiss is “supervising the investigation” and “is in charge of that investigation.” He also testifies that “there will not be interference of any political or improper kind.”

    March 2023 – Garland again testifies before a Senate Committee and is asked whether USAO Weiss had authority to bring charges outside of Delaware without Special Counsel status. Garland replies: “The US Attorney in Delaware has been advised that he has full authority to make those kind[s] of referrals that you are talking about, or bring cases in other jurisdictions if he feels it’s necessary and I will assure that if he does, he will be able to do that…I have promised to ensure that he is able to carry out his investigation and that he be able to run it and if needs to bring it in another jurisdiction he will have full authority to do that.” (emphasis added)

    June 7, 2023 – U.S. Attorney Weiss sends a letter to House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan claiming he had full authority over the investigation and to bring charges in the case.

    June 22, 2023 – Ways and Means Committee releases whistleblower testimony, which shows that on October 7, 2022, U.S. Attorney Weiss told the prosecution team that he had referred charges to the U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia and that the U.S. Attorney declined to bring charges. U.S. Attorney Weiss also told the team that he “is not the deciding person on whether charges are filed.”

    Either Attorney General Garland may have misled Congress on his interference in the investigation, or U.S. Attorney Weiss misled his own team of investigators to avoid bringing charges.

    Now the latter would mean it was Weiss who was protecting Biden. He’s not likely to take the fall.

    He’s also not likely to blame Merrick Garland.

    And the whole thing will be explained away as outsiders not understanding DOJ procedures. Everybody else was stupid.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  315. Since this keeps coming up, these are the IRS whistleblowers. They are serious people.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hunter-biden-irs-whistleblowers-joseph-ziegler-gary-shapley/

    Appalled (a15616)

  316. 316. You are more likely to get even worse heart problems from a Covid infection. The vaccine stirs up a very strong immune response and that it what causes the problem in some people.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  317. If you got the virus and THEN the vaccine you were 11 times more at risk for developing myocarditis within 28 days of testing positive for the virus than if you got vaccine BEFORE the virus.

    In other words: Having a previous Covid infection, especially a recent one, very well might have been a counterindication against getting the vaccine. First, it probably wasn’t necessary, and second it increased the risk of side effects (although not to a very high level)

    Clinical trials were not going to catch this.

    But the propaganda apparatus wasn’t interested in distinguishing between people who had been already infected with Covid and recovered, and people who had not, but no, everyone should get the vaccine. It was a simpler message.

    They made it very difficult to determine if you had been previously infected. Even the testing that was done was usually only for recent infection — and on your own dime.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  318. https://www.newser.com/story/338111/china-replaces-foreign-minister-last-seen-in-june.html

    Vanished Foreign Minister Hand-Picked by Xi Is Replaced

    China’s Qin Gang hasn’t been seen since June; absence met with rumors of extramarital affair

    …. Qin Gang last appeared in public in Beijing on June 25 during a meeting with officials from Sri Lanka, Vietnam, and Russia, per CNN. On July 11, the Foreign Ministry said he would miss a diplomatic meeting in Indonesia, where he’d been expected to meet with US Secretary of State Antony Blinken, “due to health reasons,” per the Guardian. “Since then, spokespeople at the Foreign Ministry have sidestepped questions about Qin, with mentions of the foreign minister recently omitted from the transcripts of daily press briefings,” per the Wall Street Journal.

    As the Communist Party’s elite 24-member Politburo met on Monday, a meeting of the Chinese legislature’s standing committee was suddenly arranged for the following day, sparking speculation that lawmakers would confirm personnel changes that President Xi Jinping and other party leaders approved. At Tuesday’s meeting, the committee decided Qin’s predecessor, Wang Yi, would resume the post of foreign minister, while apparently retaining his new role as the Communist Party’s director of foreign affairs, per the Journal. That left plenty of unanswered questions about 57-year-old Qin, a trusted aide of Xi who served as China’s ambassador to Washington before Xi hand-picked him to replace Wang in December.

    Qin’s appointment “over more experienced candidates caused some surprise among observers of elite Chinese politics, but was widely seen as a sign of Xi’s trust in the diplomat,” per CNN. His departure comes as another surprise. There’s been speculation about “a power struggle with Wang” and “an alleged affair with a TV anchor,” per the Guardian. Whether or not there’s truth to that, “Qin Gang was single-handedly pulled up the ranks by Xi,” meaning “any problems with him will reflect badly on Xi, too,” analyst Deng Yuwen tells CNN. The outlet notes senior officials have been known to vanish months before it’s revealed that they’ve been detained. The Guardian adds the health excuse has been used to explain absences of officials “who have fallen out of favor.” …

    I think Xi Jinping is experiencing a shortage of people he can trust.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  319. As I understand it, Weiss is a Republican who started under Bush in the Delaware US Attorney’s office, then was elevated by Trump to US Attorney in February 2018.
    The Hunter laptop investigation didn’t start until December 2019, seven months after Mackler left.
    The look-see into Hunter’s “tax affairs” began in 2018, presumably after Weiss was appointed. If Mackler were somehow involved in investigating Hunter (his “brother”) while he worked under Weiss, that would be a conflict-of-interest on Mackler’s part, and I don’t see how a Republican like Weiss, especially in the Trump era, would be doing any favors for Hunter or the Bidens, particularly since he approved the investigation into Hunter’s tax issues, with Barr’s and Trump’s blessings, I assume.
    As for Shapley and Ziegler, I don’t doubt they would do things differently than Weiss, and we’ll see what Weiss says under oath.
    So far, this whole affair is loaded with a bunch of assertion and empty on anything solid, not unlike the “Joe-took-a-bribe” no-evidence allegation. Bottom-line, we’ll see what turns up, but if Weiss has a defensible explanation, story’s over.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  320. All Republicans reflexively support Trump. Even more so with US Attorneys. There are no Republican US Attorneys that would not do anything and everything Trump requires. I assume.

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  321. Paul 316,

    I was surprised when he said that because it had not occurred to me. He also said there have been many heart-related deaths among young European soccer players that he thought might be linked to Covid/vaccine.

    I don’t know. The only opinion I have about Covid vaccines based on my research, not hearsay, is that I think the J&J vaccine is safer than experts have led us to believe, except for young women. (It’s gone now, so it doesn’t matter.) And I think the mRNA vaccines, especially Pfizer’s, is slightly more dangerous for young men than experts claim.

    The athletes my doctor was speculating about are all young men, so I would want to know if they all got the Pfizer vaccine. But I don’t think that would tell us anything other than it would be worth looking into further. including whether they had a history of Covid infections as well as vaccines.

    DRJ (531157)

  322. Paster NOT drag queen david zandestra admits to murdering 8 year old girl.

    asset (9b36e1)

  323. I dunno, DRJ, if your doctor is going believe unverified claims about soccer players or athletes in general, what else is he/she going to believe? Maybe get a second opinion?

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  324. I should have known better. If it was the situation you pretended it was, you would have just let it go.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/25/2023 @ 9:29 am

    You are correct. I should’ve known better than to think Paul would be concerned abput a conservative being attacked.

    NJRob (53cc2b)

  325. NJRob (53cc2b) — 7/25/2023 @ 2:37 pm

    I dunno. In my experience, Paul calls out both sides.

    norcal (e5b4c8)

  326. Morning Consult Tracking Poll 7/25/2023

    …………
    The bulk of the GOP’s electorate (59%) would back Trump if the primary or caucus were held in their state today, compared with 16% who would support DeSantis. This past week marked the Floridian’s worst showing in primary surveys conducted since December.

    Ramaswamy is backed by 8% of the party’s potential voters, followed by former Vice President Mike Pence (6%), former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley (4%), South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott (2%), former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (2%) and North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum (1%).
    ……..
    Hypothetical head-to-head matchups show Biden leading Trump by 2 percentage points and DeSantis by 5 points among the general electorate.
    ……..
    Trump is popular with 78% of the party’s potential electorate, while 20% view him unfavorably. The bulk of the GOP primary voters (62%) also hold favorable views of DeSantis, while 23% hold unfavorable views.

    Potential primary voters are 37 points more likely to hold favorable opinions than unfavorable opinions about Ramaswamy (51% to 14%), making him the third most popular Republican presidential candidate.

    On the other hand, Christie’s net favorability rating is 19 points underwater, with 45% of potential GOP primary voters holding unfavorable views.
    ……….

    The poll was conducted July 21-23, 2023, after Trump announced (on July 18th) he had received a second target letter from the Special Counsel.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  327. Devon Archer will testify July 31 (about Hunter Biden having repeatedly put his father on the phone or even had him personally meet and greet business associates, although he never said anything substantive.)

    It’s a done deal so much that White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said something Orwellian yesterday (which the Republican favoring media have been making much hay over)

    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/press-briefings/2023/07/24/press-briefing-by-press-secretary-karine-jean-pierre-44

    ….Q Chairman James Comer today says that the Oversight Committee — excuse me — has evidence that the President in the past communicated directly with foreign business associates of his son, Hunter Biden, many times. Curious if the White House and the President still stand behind his comment that he’s never been involved and has never even spoken to his son about his business.

    MS. JEAN-PIERRE: So, I’ve been — I’ve been asked this question a million times. The answer is not going to change. The answer remains the same: The President ha- — was never in business with his son. I just don’t have anything else to add.

    That’s Orwellian.

    That’s not what she said before. He said that he never discussed business with his son. Now she says he never was in business with his son. (but doesn’t say that Hunter lied to certain foreigners that he was)

    Now this could be read:

    I’ve been asked this question a million times.

    About him discussing his son’s
    business.

    The answer is not going to change.

    From now on.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  328. Joe Biden discussed Hunter’s business with Tony Bobulinski, who had been brought in by Jim Biden and Hunter Biden. He was supposed to make sure that everything was legal and Joe Biden gave his approval to his appointment (and that was basically what they discussed)

    Later. Tony Bobulinski was frozen out, and Joe Biden was probably not aware of that, it’s probably more than fair to say.

    Bobulinski was willing to go before a grand jury but that angle was not pursued

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-former-business-partner-grand-jury

    …Tony Bobulinski, the former business partner, was open to testifying, and his attorney reached out to the office of Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss. Weiss did not return their calls, the sources said. Weiss’ decision not to bring Bobulinski is the latest indication that prosecutors investigating Hunter Biden may have avoided investigating allegations about his father, President Joe Biden.

    In October 2020, Bobulinski was invited by the Trump campaign to attend a presidential debate after he released business records about his dealings with Hunter and James Biden. At a press conference before the debate, he claimed to have met with Joe Biden in May 2017, as part of discussions over a potential business deal with a Chinese energy firm, CEFC.

    “I’ve heard Joe Biden say that he’s never discussed business with Hunter. That is false. I have firsthand knowledge about this because I directly dealt with the Biden family, including Joe Biden,” Bobulinski said at the press conference. Contacted this week by CBS News, Bobulinski said he stands behind those statements.

    Bobulinski’s claims have garnered new interest among GOP congressional investigators after IRS whistleblowers gave closed-door testimony to the House Ways and Means Committee. In those transcripts, released last week, the whistleblower alleges the president’s son received preferential treatment that allegedly stymied federal investigators.

    The whistleblower, Gary Shapley, testified that investigative leads that might have led to Joe Biden were not pursued in the late summer and fall of 2020. At the time, Donald Trump was president and the attorney general was Bill Barr.

    Pursuing anything that might affect an election required lots of approvals at the time in DOJ. That’s one explanation.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  329. The What’s App extortion message by Hunter Biden. (and we also see in this month old CBS news article that the White House had already changed its answer before Karine Jean-Pierre yesterday

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinski-former-business-partner-grand-jury

    Shapley alleges that in August 2020, an iCloud search warrant recovered a July 2017 WhatsApp message from Hunter Biden to Chinese businessman Henry Zhao about an outstanding payment.

    Shapley testified that prosecutors “denied” investigators’ efforts to learn more about the message.

    [which goes]

    “I am sitting here with my father and we would like to understand why the commitment made has not been fulfilled. Tell the director that I would like to resolve this now before it gets out of hand, and now means tonight,” Hunter Biden allegedly wrote. “And, Z, if I get a call or text from anyone involved in this other than you, Zhang, or the chairman, I will make certain that between the man sitting next to me and every person he knows and my ability to forever hold a grudge that you will regret not following my direction. I am sitting here waiting for the call with my father.”

    Asked about Shapley’s testimony, Ian Sams, a White House spokesperson said, “As we have said many times before, the President was not in business with his son.”

    “As we have also said many times before, the Justice Department makes decisions in its criminal investigations independently, and in this case, the White House has not been involved,” Sams said. “As the President has said, he loves his son and is proud of him accepting responsibility for his actions and is proud of what he is doing to rebuild his life.”

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  330. U.S. Attorney David C. Weiss is not likely to testify till the fall.

    https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/24/politics/david-weiss-testify-congress-hunter-biden-irs-probe/index.html

    The new letter from the Justice Department proposes several dates in September and October when Weiss would be willing to testify to the House Judiciary Committee, which is led by GOP Rep. Jim Jordan of Ohio.

    Notably, those dates are all long after Hunter Biden’s scheduled guilty plea, which is set to take place Wednesday. He has agreed to plead guilty to two federal tax misdemeanors as part of a plea deal.

    The new letter, signed by Assistant Attorney General Carlos Uriarte, states that the Justice Department has reservations about public testimony while investigations and judicial proceedings are “ongoing.” But there are “misrepresentations” that need to be addressed, and it “is strongly in the public interest for the American people and for Congress to hear directly” from Weiss.

    “We are deeply concerned by any misrepresentations about our work – whether deliberate or arising from misunderstandings – that could unduly harm public confidence in the evenhanded administration of justice, to which we are dedicated,” Uriarte wrote…

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  331. I don’t think his concerns are crazy, Paul. This is from the study reached from your link:

    Conclusions:
    Overall, the risk of myocarditis is greater after SARS-CoV-2 infection than after COVID-19 vaccination and remains modest after sequential doses including a booster dose of BNT162b2 mRNA vaccine. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

    That is also what I noticed after reading several medical journals/articles. My family has immune problems and cannot get routine vaccines, so researching the Covid vaccines was a high priority for me.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  332. mRNA-1273 is Moderna vaccine. My research indicated the myocarditis risk with Pfizer was greater than the Moderna risk. Our only options were Pfizer and Moderna, and we chose Moderna for our young men for that reason.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  333. There are Many studies about myocarditis after Covid mRNA vaccines in younger men. Note this:

    Six studies reported an incidence greater than 15 cases per 100,000 persons (or doses) in males aged 12-24 after dose 2 of an mRNA-based vaccine.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  334. That is double the already elevated risk in men under 40.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  335. I should point out that a Canadian study showed more male myocarditis with Moderna than Pfizer BNT.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  336. The myocarditis is clearly an autoimmune reaction.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  337. https://nypost.com/2023/07/20/biden-bribe-file-released-burisma-chief-said-both-joe-and-hunter-involved

    The federal informant — a Ukrainian-American who has been a trusted, highly credible FBI source for over a decade and been paid “six figures,” according to Grassley — described four conversations with Zlochevsky, beginning with a meeting near Kyiv in late 2015 or early 2016 and continuing through a 2019 phone call.

    The informant said each of his conversations with Zlochevsky occurred in the presence of a man named Alexander Ostapenko — giving the FBI a possible supporting witness.

    Ostapenko “introduced” the informant to Zlochevsky and “works in some office for the administration of [Ukrainian] President [Volodymyr] Zelensky,” the file says.

    I don’t know any more about Ostapenko but this is a name to research.

    Incidentally, Zlochevsky appears from this to have given two quite different reasons for – he claimed – paying up one Biden and another Biden in cash. (I think the second Biden is Jim Biden, Joe’s rother) – Joe was referred to as the big guy) And the whole thing may not be true.

    One reason is to take care of all sorts of problems and the other reason is extortion. They are contradictory.

    Now some things should be clear:

    1) Joe Biden did not have some secret power over U.S. policy toward Ukraine. He later claimed to have had, but he lied.

    2) he did not cause the prosecutor to be fired. He wasn’t fired six hours after Joe Biden made a threat to withhold $1 billion in loan guarantees. he was fired or quit in June 2016 – and I think Joe Biden’s last visit to Kiev was in March, 2016. It’s hard to get the facts.

    Zlochevsky may have wanted to create the impression that this fix was in even if it wasn’t.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  338. You are correct. I should’ve known better than to think Paul would be concerned abput a conservative being attacked.

    It figures you’re goose-stepping with Kevin’s dishonest hypothetical, Rob.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  339. However, the risk of myocarditis after vaccination is higher in younger men, particularly after a second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine.

    That’s ambiguous. Does it mean the risk of myocarditis is higher in vaccinated young men than in unvaccinated young men, or that it’s higher in vaccinated young men than in vaccinated older men? The latter would be consistent with Paul’s claim; the former would partially contradict it.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  340. I read the reports as saying there is a greater risk after 2 mRNA shots. But I am open to being corrected.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  341. Noted, the higher post-vaccine incidences in young men, DRJ, but isn’t it a temporary condition?

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  342. I dunno. In my experience, Paul calls out both sides.

    I would not expect that kind of dishonest bait&switch for someone who had any empathy whatsoever for those on the right.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  343. None of those studies regarding myocarditis after a vaccine show a risk within an order of magnitude (likely not within 3) of serious COVID-caused disease.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  344. It figures you’re goose-stepping with Kevin’s dishonest hypothetical, Rob.

    Paul, what you did was cynical, disrespectful and baiting. You should apologize to those you intended to laugh at as they fell for your “wit.”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  345. To call me dishonest, for calling your lie a lie, is beyond ironic.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  346. I liked it. But then, I click the link before I comment, so I won’t embarrass myself. Most of the time, anyway.

    nk (78befd)

  347. The inflammation may clear up but sometimes it is accompanied by other heart complications that may persit.

    DRJ (c59a8b)

  348. Persist.

    DRJ (c59a8b)

  349. To call me dishonest, for calling your lie a lie, is beyond ironic.

    You’re lying that I’m lying, Kevin. You implied, dishonestly, that I took no interest in academics attacked by the Left, but I brought up Weinstein for a reason. If anyone should be apologizing for dishonesty here, it’s you.
    Also, if you’re going to make an argument, don’t resort to weak-ass hypotheticals.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  350. @324

    As I understand it, Weiss is a Republican who started under Bush in the Delaware US Attorney’s office, then was elevated by Trump to US Attorney in February 2018.
    The Hunter laptop investigation didn’t start until December 2019, seven months after Mackler left.
    The look-see into Hunter’s “tax affairs” began in 2018, presumably after Weiss was appointed. If Mackler were somehow involved in investigating Hunter (his “brother”) while he worked under Weiss, that would be a conflict-of-interest on Mackler’s part, and I don’t see how a Republican like Weiss, especially in the Trump era, would be doing any favors for Hunter or the Bidens, particularly since he approved the investigation into Hunter’s tax issues, with Barr’s and Trump’s blessings, I assume.
    As for Shapley and Ziegler, I don’t doubt they would do things differently than Weiss, and we’ll see what Weiss says under oath.
    So far, this whole affair is loaded with a bunch of assertion and empty on anything solid, not unlike the “Joe-took-a-bribe” no-evidence allegation. Bottom-line, we’ll see what turns up, but if Weiss has a defensible explanation, story’s over.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 7/25/2023 @ 1:41 pm

    I really dislike the whole “Weiss is a Republican who started under Bush in the Delaware US Attorney’s office, then was elevated by Trump to US Attorney in February 2018” argument.

    As if, that gives Weiss 100% credibility, when he *HAD* to have been approved by the 2 super liberal Democrat Senators who approved (Blue slips). All that means, is that Trump put forth a prosecutor that the 2 Dems approved of. Make what you will of that.

    Paul…the point is this: Does the Biden’s behaviors constitute wanton “pay-to-play” access?

    And, did the FBI/DOJ conduct a good-faith investigation?

    What’s absolute frustrating, is that there are WAY BLOODY MORE evidence and allegations into the Biden’s corruption, than ANYTHING that Trump did. You cannot ignore that double-standard. What we should be advocating for, is that whatever standard is applied to Trump, must a least be applied to Biden. Anything less than that is a asymmetrical lawfare.

    You should be advocating for House Republican to start impeachment hearings, so that they have actual subpoena power to conduct a real investigation, such that the DOJ/FBI seems loathed to do (which is understandable, since it’s their boss we’re talking about).

    whembly (c88dc4)

  351. @345

    I read the reports as saying there is a greater risk after 2 mRNA shots. But I am open to being corrected.

    DRJ (ba8685) — 7/25/2023 @ 5:22 pm

    That’s what we’ve seen in the St. Louis area. (I work in healthcare IT and see community statistics like these)

    We’ve seen an almost triple the numbers of young men (and some women) suffering from myocarditis.

    The raw numbers are showing there’s a massive increase. That’s undeniable. Logic suggest, is that it’s a reaction of the covid vaccine, as well as various retrospective studies seems to support that.

    My wife’s entire family is at risk for Guillain-Barré, and chosen NOT to take any vaccine. There are studies being done in Europe and South America that is pointing to increased auto-immune reactions, like Guillain-Barré, is linked to the mRNA covid vaccines.

    But that doesn’t mean we should deep-six the mRNA vaccines, because these vaccines, at least the early phases of the rollout, did show dramatic reduction in ICU cases.

    So, like in ALL THINGS IN MEDICINES, doctors and policy-makers should be educating what mRNA does, their risks and any tradeoff. Meaning, ideally, the vaccines should really be for those whom are immunocompromised, elderly or have other dangerous co-morbidity diagnosis. Outside of that, the young and especially those with auto-immune diseases, should carefully weigh the risks between getting infected naturally vs. taking the vaccine and it’s associated risks.

    whembly (c88dc4)

  352. @346

    Noted, the higher post-vaccine incidences in young men, DRJ, but isn’t it a temporary condition?

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 7/25/2023 @ 5:26 pm

    Not all cases.

    You can develop longterm conditions the requires monitoring for the rest of your life.

    You can lose out being a pro athlete because cardiovascular strains while doing intense sports can be dangerous.

    Basically, the longterm effect of post-myocarditis is on a spectrum depending on the severity. Some may simply get better and resume normally as if it didn’t happen, some requires constant monitoring and yes permanent damage (and death) is possible, especially if there are other co-morbidities.

    whembly (c88dc4)

  353. You lost me, whembly, with this…

    What’s absolute frustrating, is that there are WAY BLOODY MORE evidence and allegations into the Biden’s corruption, than ANYTHING that Trump did

    …because the problem is you don’t have this evidence on Joe. You’re only at the allegation phase. With all of it.
    Nobody disputes that Hunter is a sleazoid who jumped from one sleazoid deal after the next. That’s not in dispute, and his overpriced “art” sold to Democrat high-rollers is only the latest.
    Also, nobody disputes that Father Joe is a dishonest political hack who was elevated to our nation’s highest office because his opponent was worse. But taking a $5 million bribe while VP is a serious charge that demands serious evidence, and it just isn’t there.
    And regarding Weiss, this feels like the insinuations that were levied against Mueller, another Republican who’s been a Republican longer than Trump, and even though Weiss had the blessing of both Barr and Trump, now all of a sudden he’s suspect because he didn’t nail Hunter hard enough?
    I’d say the summer silly season is upon us, but it’s been silly season since Trump went down that Golden Escalator.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  354. Non-political topic, but what the hell? It’s the Weekend Open Thread.

    I spoke with my 91-year-old mother today. She related a recent event. My twenty-something niece (my mother’s granddaughter) was visiting my mother. In tow were her twenty-something husband and 1.5-year-old toddler.

    My mother was playing with the great-granddaughter by whistling at her. My niece’s husband told my mother not to whistle, because that is something for dogs. My mother said, “My house, my rules”. At that point, my niece said, “That’s it. We’re leaving.” She, her husband, and their toddler departed.

    The next day, my niece and her husband came to pick up my sister (my niece’s mother) from my mother’s house and take her to the airport. They entered my mother’s house and both of them used the bathroom. They studiously ignored my mother the whole time, as if to drive home the point that they were miffed.

    I ask the wise souls here. Who is being ridiculous?

    norcal (4e46bc)

  355. @358

    …because the problem is you don’t have this evidence on Joe. You’re only at the allegation phase.
    Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 7/25/2023 @ 9:22 pm

    Bro, what?

    We have more than just mere allegations!

    We have Biden, on camera, saying that he got the Burisma prosecutor fired (likely overstatement, but there was intent).

    We have Hunter’s WhatApp text string that can’t be interpreted to be anything other than an extortion.

    We have actual IRS whistleblowers claims of obstruction by political operatives, shielding the Bidens.

    We have House committees in Comer and Senator Grassley showing detailed, strange accounting of money being moved in a structured manner to hide it from IRS.

    Far more than what is needed to start an honest to god investigation to determine if there’s any violation of our laws.

    …and more.

    Please don’t play dumb by saying there’s only “allegations”.

    whembly (c88dc4)

  356. We have Biden, on camera, saying that he got the Burisma prosecutor fired (likely overstatement, but there was intent).

    No, whembly, you don’t have that because the problem was that Shokin wasn’t prosecuting Burisma, or investigating Burisma for that matter. The irony here is that the chances of an investigation into Burisma improved after Shokin was out of the picture.
    You do have Biden calling for Shokin’s sacking, but it was at the behest of his boss, Obama, along with the IMF and the EU and US diplomats in Ukraine. VP Biden’s biggest problem here is that, at best, because his son was taking cash from a corrupt Ukrainian oligarch, he had the appearance of a conflict of interest and shouldn’t have involved himself in Ukrainian affairs and should have recused. This speaks clearly to his poor judgment (and he has a long record of poor judgment in foreign affairs), not to any illegality.

    Two, you don’t have evidence of funds, illicit or otherwise, moving into a Joe Biden bank account from Zlochevsky (or his cut-outs) while he was VP. If there is evidence, yes, impeach his shriveled white butt.

    Three, you do have evidence that Hunter is a scuzbag who will use his dad’s name to make threats and cash in. This is established. Stipulated.

    Evidence-wise, this pales before the open-and-shut case in one of Trump’s criminal indictments, where the evidence is obvious that he willfully retained materials relating to our national defense (a violation of the Espionage Act) and obstructed their return, multiple times over. A Special Counsel isn’t going to bring a case like this against a former president without having the goods.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  357. @norcal@359 It sounds like there are some past issues there that you may not be aware of.

    Nic (896fdf)

  358. More on Bronny…

    Musk replied to the news of James’ cardiac arrest, saying, “We cannot ascribe everything to the vaccine, but, by the same token, we cannot ascribe nothing,” adding that “Myocarditis is a known side-effect” of the Covid-19 vaccine.

    Musk’s post was met with a since-removed fact-check that noted the risk of myocarditis, a rare condition involving the inflammation of a layer of the heart’s wall, is significantly higher after a Covid infection than after receiving a Covid-19 vaccine, citing articles from CBS News and the Yale School of Medicine.

    The fact-check also noted that in adolescent boys, the risk of myocarditis following a Covid infection was approximately twice that of the risk that follows a second vaccine dose.

    It’s not clear why the fact-check, which appeared through the platform’s “Community Notes” feature, was removed.

    Musk has not made any further comments on the matter following his tweet, which no longer has the fact check attached to it.

    It is not unclear if James suffers from myocarditis, and details about what caused his cardiac arrest are still unavailable.

    It’s also unclear if LeBron’s kid every caught Covid or was ever vaxxed, or if so, when.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  359. Nic (896fdf) — 7/25/2023 @ 10:46 pm

    My mother tells me everything. Yes, there is some background that is too long to get into. For one thing, my mother stopped believing in Mormonism, and my niece is a Molly Mormon who thinks my mother is debauched.

    Here’s how Molly she is. When returning home from her Mormon mission (2 years for men, 1.5 years for women because, you know, women need to get married and start making babies), she wouldn’t give her own father a hug because her boobs would be touching his chest. You think I’m kidding.

    norcal (4e46bc)

  360. Also, if you’re going to make an argument, don’t resort to weak-ass hypotheticals.

    And don’t resort to lying posts that misrepresent the actual facts. That was a real asshat move of yours. Please tell me why you think that would not be seen as such. It was intentionally disrespectful in the extreme to several posters here.

    Anything I said in response, you deserved.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  361. I ask the wise souls here. Who is being ridiculous?

    Possibly everyone, but the niece and her husband should have collected the sister on the porch. To enter the house and use the toilet both required permission and if anyone remains miffed it is probably mom.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  362. And don’t resort to lying posts that misrepresent the actual facts.

    I didn’t mispresent anything, Kevin, I was trying to make a point, which you obviously whooshed on.
    I don’t care how long you’ve squatted here or how many comments you’ve made, I’m not going to acquiesce to your dishonest hypotheticals.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  363. Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/25/2023 @ 11:21 pm

    My mother isn’t miffed. She’s incredulous, amused, and proud of herself (as I am proud of her) for not acting like a doormat anymore.

    And, she doesn’t care if the granddaughter or her husband visits again.

    norcal (4e46bc)

  364. norcal, you’re so naive. Your mom was obviously summoning the devil. I suggest you contact an exorcist, and ask about a volume discount in case mom’s demons got to niece and hubby when they came in to use the bathroom.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  365. I remember impeachment with honor bumper stickers for tricky dick! Had democrat corporate stooges had voted to impeach bubba al gore would have become president and no 9-11 or iraq war. Biden vs mccarty corporate stooges battle it out! Its like when hitler attacked stalin you don’t know who to BOO! For. Let see what harris can do and she can have AOC for her veep!

    asset (997fef)

  366. And don’t resort to lying posts that misrepresent the actual facts.

    That’s preposterous. “Actually, that thing I just quoted wasn’t really [A] saying [X]. It was [B (A’s opponent)] saying [Y (X but from the other side)]” is a common literary device on the internet. It’s used to expose partisanship and/or hypocrisy. You can dispute the implied arguments, but there’s nothing dishonest about the device. Everyone who doesn’t stop reading as soon as their bias is confirmed gets the whole truth. I’ve seen Eugene Volokh use it a thousand* times. Sometimes I’ve agreed with him, sometimes not, but I’ve never found the device at all dishonest. In fact I consider Eugene one of the most honest commentators on the internet. I can’t swear to it because I wouldn’t know how to search for it, but I may recall Patterico having used it too. I hope you’d agree his honesty is beyond reproach as well.

    (*See, that was hyperbole, another literary device that’s also superficially inaccurate. It’s not dishonest either.)

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  367. https://nypost.com/2023/07/25/hunter-biden-lawyer-accused-of-deception-to-seal-damning-evidence/

    First son Hunter Biden’s legal team appeared to pull a dirty trick Tuesday to block the release of damning evidence ahead of his expected guilty plea to federal charges of tax evasion and weapons crimes.

    The drama began in the morning when the House Ways and Means Committee filed an amicus brief to Delaware US District Judge Maryellen Noreika arguing that the 53-year-old had benefited from “political interference which calls into question the propriety of the investigation” into alleged crimes including money laundering, felony tax evasion and failure to register as a foreign agent.

    The filing included testimony by two IRS whistleblowers who sat for transcribed interviews May 26 and June 1.

    What happened next was outlined in a letter sent to the judge Tuesday afternoon by the committee’s top lawyer, Theodore Kittila.

    “[A]t approximately 1:30 p.m., we received word that our filing was removed from the docket,” Kittila said. “We promptly contacted the Clerk’s office, and we were advised that someone contacted the Court representing that they worked with my office [emphasis original] and that they were asking the Court to remove this from the docket. We immediately advised that this was inaccurate. The Clerk’s Office responded that we would need to re-file. We have done so now.”

    What’s the penalty?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  368. It’s also unclear if LeBron’s kid every caught Covid or was ever vaxxed, or if so, when.

    Not that this lack of information would cause concern for those who quote Axios trashing republicans with Yale “research.”

    BuDuh (d196b7)

  369. What’s the penalty?

    Up to six months if the judge does it through her inherent contempt authority. A lot more if it’s by way of indictment and trial by jury. We’ll know by the end of the day.

    nk (bb1548)

  370. Still, it was a dirty trick for the Republican lawyers not to file the confidential tax information and secret grand jury information under seal. Hundreds of pages, Mr. Google says.

    nk (bb1548)

  371. What’s the penalty? </i?

    First, you have to catch them.

    You don't know what person called the court and impersonated someone else..

    Sammy Finkelman (f01dff)

  372. norcal,

    I am sorry that happened but it is nice if your Mom feels good about what she said and that they won’t be visiting. It also sounds like you feel good about it, and I trust your judgment.

    As for me, I agree with “My house, my rules.” I think the young couple were being childish in essentially demanding respect for their baby by objecting to treating it “like a dog.”

    I also agree with “My baby, my rules.” Even young parents get to decide how people treat their baby. Leaving is appropriate if they disagree with behavior. It is a shame they are too childish to handle their objection and leaving in a kinder and more respectful manner, especially when dealing with family members.

    The silent treatment and bathroom incident is simply more evidence of their childishness, but they are still children. It was kind of your Mom not to make a scene, but I would communicate to them and their mother that further visits would not be welcome until they can act more respectfully.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  373. It’s used to expose partisanship and/or hypocrisy.

    It’s a disrespectful dick move.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  374. I didn’t mispresent anything, Kevin, I was trying to make a point, which you obviously whooshed on.

    No, I got it. Your point was that some of the posters here would respond differently to the flipped facts than to the real ones. Why not just be honest and call them names?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  375. al gore would have become president and no 9-11 or iraq war.

    Good God. Can you hear yourself? Next you’ll say that JFK would have kept us out of Vietnam.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  376. Still, it was a dirty trick for the Republican lawyers not to file the confidential tax information and secret grand jury information under seal. Hundreds of pages, Mr. Google says.

    It was already a public document. Ways & Means has a recent habit of dumping confidential taxpayer information into public reports.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  377. As I understand from Mark Twain, the Mormon matriarchy does not follow the same rules of seniority as the patriarchy. A granddaughter can claim higher status than her grandmother and boss her around without it being considered inappropriate.

    nk (1eb47c)

  378. Forgot 😉

    nk (1eb47c)

  379. Bronny’s cardiac arrest may have nothing to do with a vaccine:

    Q&A: Why would a young, healthy athlete go into cardiac arrest?
    ……….
    ………(C)ardiac catastrophes in otherwise healthy young athletes are not unheard of, said Dr. Satyajit Reddy, a sports cardiologist with the Mayo Clinic in Phoenix. In the U.S., 75% of all sudden deaths that occur while NCAA athletes are playing sports are attributable to cardiovascular conditions, he said.

    A 2016 study found that NCAA athletes ran a 1-in-53,703 risk of sudden cardiac death. That burden is not equally shared. If the athlete was Black, their risk more than doubled to 1 in 21,491. And if they were a men’s basketball player, the risk was 1 in 8,978.

    ……..The Times spoke with Dr. Reddy about the factors that cause cardiac emergencies in athletes, and what contributes to survival.
    ………

    Why do we see cardiac arrests in seemingly healthy young athletes?

    Things like electrolyte abnormalities or the blood pressure and heart rate changes that come with exercise can exacerbate an underlying condition that would otherwise go unnoticed.

    A number of different conditions can lead to cardiac arrest: arrhythmic causes [relating to an irregular heartbeat], arterial causes [when the arteries can’t provide enough blood to the heart], heart muscle causes. It’s unclear what happened in this particular case.

    Are heart attacks in young athletes on the rise?

    To be honest, I’m not 100% sure, but I know it’s now gaining a lot more media coverage. From a medical standpoint, it’s good to have these events be broadcast so that people understand how to respond in the future and get education for these things.
    ……….
    What is recovery like for survivors?

    It depends on the underlying cause of the cardiac arrest. If it is something that was reversible, or that can be prevented with medications and other therapies, then certainly they can continue to play their sport.

    That being said, there are some conditions where we say that despite all treatments, competitive sports may not be the best thing. Ultimately it comes down to a discussion with the athlete about whether they want to take on that risk.

    Some on social media have speculated that these events are linked to the COVID vaccine. Can you comment on that?

    I don’t think there’s any evidence for that. The vaccine is associated with a slight increase in myocarditis, which is inflammation of the heart muscle, especially in men under 30. But if you get COVID-19, the risk of having sudden cardiac arrest due to myocarditis is a magnitude higher than the risk that comes potentially with taking the vaccine. If you’re looking at it from that perspective, it’s a no-brainer to take the vaccine.
    #########

    If you recall, Hank Gathers had exercise-induced ventricular tachycardia (treated with beta-blockers) and the autopsy found that he suffered from a heart-muscle disorder, hypertrophic cardiomyopathy. No vaccine was involved.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  380. Biden plea deal withdrawn?

    WILMINGTON, Del.—A plea deal that President Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, had reached with prosecutors appeared to be in jeopardy on Wednesday, after a dramatic court hearing in which prosecutors sparred with defense lawyers about the prospect of further charges.

    The younger Biden had expected to plead guilty to misdemeanor tax charges and entered into an agreement to avoid another gun charge. Prosecutors insisted on Wednesday that the investigation into Hunter Biden’s activities remained ongoing, and said in response to a question from the judge that he could face additional foreign lobbying charges.

    In response, Hunter Biden’s lawyer Chris Clark said he disagreed with that interpretation, believed the agreement foreclosed the possibility of additional charges, and said: “As far as I’m concerned, the plea agreement is null and void.”

    The judge took a brief break to give both sides time to see whether they could reach an agreement after all.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  381. Lower the boats! Queequeg, with me!

    nk (1f68ba)

  382. We had the reverse. None of us siblings allowed my mom to stay in their home with the grandchildren past the first day. It was hard because it denied my dad access and made him have to deal with an impossible person to reason with over a touchy issue, but he picked her (and has stayed with her for over 70 years).
    I am guessing this is the first for your relatives? Back when families had 12 kids or more, a whistle was the only way to go. My grandmother came from a huge (in size and numbers) family she said my great grandmother would just start yelling down the list of names until she hit the right one. Great grandfather would whistle and all the boys would run to the barn for work instructions.
    It wasn’t all good because great grandpa Jake was pretty rough on the boys. They were all big (shortest was 6′-3″) and to be fair, Grandpa Jake had his hands full with big unruly boys, but my grandma told us that the oldest boys caught their dad whupping on the youngest boy(at that time) and threatened their dad with pitchforks. They all turned out more or less OK, best the oldest ones were also very hard men. They learned to like my dad, but when my dad went to the farms to ask permission to marry my mom, the uncles straight out told him and her that at 5′-8″ he was too small and they illustrated it by picking him up and crowd surfing him

    Hopefully these two relatives of yours will be self aware enough to learn. Maybe one day they will find themselves whistling at their kids for attention and everyone can have a good laugh at themselves

    steveg (666f88)

  383. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/07/26/swiss-study-heart-injuries-from-covid-vaccine-3000x-higher-than-thought-n567151

    In fact, in a study with only 777 participants with a median age of 37–all medical professionals getting the COVID vaccine–the incidence of elevated cardiac enzymes 3 days after injection was pretty substantial, at almost 3%.

    Drip drip drip…

    NJRob (b08b8b)

  384. Brett Weinstein was a leftist eaten by Maoists for the sin of being a white guy and not submitting to the next left’s radical heirarchy that puts white guys last.

    NJRob (b08b8b)

  385. If they had tested the vaccine for the normal number of years, how many lives would have been saved?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  386. NY Times:

    From the start, the judge seemed highly skeptical of the unusual deal — which offered Hunter Biden broad immunity from prosecution in perpetuity, questioning why it had been filed under a provision that gave her no legal authority to reject it. When she asked Leo Wise, a prosecutor, if there was any precedent for the kind of deal being proposed, he replied, “No, your honor.”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  387. My grandmother came from a huge (in size and numbers) family she said my great grandmother would just start yelling down the list of names until she hit the right one

    That was my parents’ families, too. Typically, Grandmother would only say part of the names before moving on to the next ones, only stopping when she got to the one she wanted. One older child was named Helen so, inevitably, the roster included “Hell..” and that always got a giggle from the boys.

    Maybe one day they will find themselves whistling at their kids for attention and everyone can have a good laugh at themselves

    Absolutely. It really is funny. I hope thay can all see that someday.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  388. If they had tested the vaccine for the normal number of years, how many lives would have been saved?

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/26/2023 @ 9:40 am

    My guess is far less than were saved from rushing it, but we will never know.

    I have always favored letting people choose for themselves. My family has elevated risks with all vaccines so some of us got the vaccine and some didn’t. Vaccines are not tailored, even the ones with long-term studies. So people should decide based on their health issues.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  389. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 7/25/2023 @ 10:42 pm

    Two, you don’t have evidence of funds, illicit or otherwise, moving into a Joe Biden bank account from Zlochevsky (or his cut-outs) while he was VP.

    Not too long ago, Joe Biden seemed pretty confident none would be found – maybe much more than other things..

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=np3–_VcyhM

    Republicans look for signs everywhere that Joe personally got money (including twisting the meaning of a text message Hunter Biden sent to his daughter on Jan 3, 2019) but that’s likely not what was going on.

    Sammy Finkelman (f01dff)

  390. My guess is far less than were saved from rushing it, but we will never know.

    That was, of course, tongue-in-cheek. I’d say far far far less.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  391. So people should decide based on their health issues.

    If only. People were more likely to decide based on their politics, their general belief in western medicine or even their horoscope. If our society was more than 10% numerate, it might be different, but it isn’t. Most people find fractions hard, let alone statistics.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  392. I am the one who started the vaccine speculation because of what my doctor said to me. I found it surprising but not convincing. Rip 384 is right that there can be many reasons. I would add that we don’t know what he was doing. Reports said he was at basketball practice. While incredibly rare, if there was contact, it could even be a Damar Hamlin commotio cordis event.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  393. Most people I know decided based on their health and by how much they were exposed to other people, Kevin. People with serious health issues consulted their doctors. But I agree that as time went on, other issues became more important — especially when they started recommending multiple boosters and as we learned more about Covid’s origins.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  394. I never see sarcasm online, Kevin. It’s easy in person but almost twenty years online, and I still can’t spot it.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  395. Most people I know decided based on their health and by how much they were exposed to other people, Kevin.

    Well, I can’t dispute that of course. Your experience is your experience.

    Most people I know that didn’t get the vaccine did so for 1) general anti-vaxx sentiment, 2) political orneriness, or 3) they didn’t feel that the virus was dangerous to them. I know of no one who stated any particular medical condition for fearing it (other than “causes autism”).

    As for how they might be exposed, they were all living in cities so random contact was inevitable.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  396. I never see sarcasm online, Kevin. It’s easy in person but almost twenty years online, and I still can’t spot it.

    And, to be fair, it bordered on what I was upset with Paul for doing. Hmmmn.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  397. BTW, regarding the quote in 391, how is it that the judge cannot reject the Biden plea? I thought judges had a lot of discretion there.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  398. It will make for interesting reflection on the covid vaccine mandates and its proponents.

    BuDuh (304493)

  399. I think the plea deal is as rejected and that is why Hunter had to plead.

    Buduh (304493)

  400. Meanwhile, the plea deal blows up.

    Hunter Biden pleads not guilty after plea deal derailed

    WILMINGTON, Del. — Hunter Biden pleaded not guilty to federal charges Wednesday, a surprise development after a disagreement arose with prosecutors over a gun charge.

    The president’s son had been expected to plead guilty to two tax charges under a deal with the government, but the judge delayed ruling on the agreement until she receives additional information. The parties will reconvene at a future date, which could be within the next four to six weeks.

    U.S. District Judge Maryellen Noreika, appointed by Donald Trump, pressed about the terms of the deal that was struck with U.S. Attorney David Weiss of Delaware, another Trump appointee who was kept on by President Joe Biden to oversee the case.

    Noreika quizzed the lawyers about the terms of the gun charge, concerned that the judiciary would not normally oversee such an agreement. She also expressed concern that the agreement on the tax charges did not give her the ability to reject or modify the deal.

    Earlier in the hearing, Noreika asked if there were more serious charges that could still be brought and the prosecutors and Hunter Biden’s lawyer both said there were not.

    Noreika later asked if the investigation was ongoing, to which Weiss responded that it was, but said he could not share any further details.

    She raised a hypothetical, asking if Hunter Biden could face charges for failing to register as a foreign agent and whether the agreement block his prosecution for such a charge. The defense said they believed the agreement would prohibit him from being charged and the prosecution then disagreed.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  401. …”is as”… should have been …”was”…

    BuDuh (304493)

  402. Since Daniel Cameron is running for Gov…Bevin or Massie?

    (per KY state law, the party of the resigning US Senator decides the appointee, not the Governor)

    urbanleftbehind (1dd6d7)

  403. lurker (cd7cd4) — 7/26/2023 @ 1:02 am

    Funny!

    You are officially in nk realm now. When I first read your comment, I thought it was nk.

    norcal (145e0e)

  404. nk (1eb47c) — 7/26/2023 @ 8:19 am

    That wasn’t my impression during my Mormon days, but you are much more versed in Mark Twain than I am.

    On a heavily Mormon site I frequent, my mother received overwhelming support. Here is my favorite response:

    Grandma actually sounds awesome. My house my rules. Classic stuff. Grandson
    In law sounds like he needs to loosen up the Capri man pants a little

    norcal (145e0e)

  405. DRJ (ba8685) — 7/26/2023 @ 7:58 am

    Thank you for those kind words.

    I should have clarified that both my niece and her husband are BYU graduates, and are over 25 years old.

    My niece’s husband also made a big deal out of my mother asking the toddler where the dog was when the toddler was looking at a package of dog food. (There was no dog there that day.) My niece’s husband didn’t like it because he thought the question would confuse the toddler. My mother is a retired schoolteacher, and she excels at stimulating and provoking thought in children.

    Both my niece and her spouse are extreme Mormons. Mainstream Mormons would roll their eyes at them. I think that has a lot to do with it.

    norcal (145e0e)

  406. steveg (666f88) — 7/26/2023 @ 9:21 am

    Yes, it is the first child of my niece and her husband.

    Just to clarify, my mom was whistling at the toddler early on, before she could even walk. The father said something back then, and my mother stopped whistling. Later on, she realized how ridiculous the objection was, and then my mom saw the father of my niece’s husband whistling at the baby. At that point, she decided (with my encouragement) to grow a backbone.

    My niece and her husband expect my 91-year-old mother to feed them whenever they come over, and they expect payment–beyond the cost of the groceries–when they do grocery shopping for my mother. My niece’s younger sister won’t take any payment for doing it.

    My niece somehow got into BYU despite a glaring lack of knowledge. She didn’t even know where New England was! I think it was down to her application essay, where she said she wanted to come to Provo to take care of her grandmother (my mother) while she was attending college. She lived with my mother during her freshman year, and instead of taking care of my mom, was just an aggravation.

    norcal (145e0e)

  407. Most people I know that didn’t get the vaccine did so for 1) general anti-vaxx sentiment, 2) political orneriness, or 3) they didn’t feel that the virus was dangerous to them. I know of no one who stated any particular medical condition for fearing it (other than “causes autism”).

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 7/26/2023 @ 11:13 am

    With his doctor’s support, my brother adamantly refused the vaccine. His stated reasons?

    1. He had Guillain-Barré syndrome.

    2. Covid was a leftist hoax, no more deadly than the flu.

    3. The mortality stats were 90% lies.

    4. The vaccines were a malicious fraud, something to do with Bill Gates….

    5. Etc., etc., etc….

    On his COVID deathbed, he repudiated all the Trumpist conspiracy theories, blaming himself for his condition and impending demise. I had to remind him repeatedly, even knowing as he finally did that those conspiracy theories were dangerous bullsh1t, that Guillain-Barré by itself was sufficient reason to refuse the vaccine. He’d been unlucky, not irresponsible. Nonetheless, he made me promise to prevail on everyone we loved, none of whom needed prodding, to take the vaccine, and to promise on my own behalf to vigilantly protect myself from exposure. Out of respect for his memory and that promise I continue to mask up in all public indoor settings.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  408. Ironically, I had to contact the doctor who filled out my brother’s death certificate to explain why the certificate made no mention of COVID, despite my brother having been admitted to the hospital for COVID, treated in a COVID-only wing, and put on COVID end-of-life hospice care before succombing to the inevitable cardiac arrest, which was listed as the sole cause of death. He apologized, admitting it was a lazy omission, and suggested there was probably an untold number of such COVID deaths erroneously attributed to pneumonia, respiratory failure, or cardiac arrest, all of which are inevitable consequences of COVID, and all of which he included on the corrected death certificate, along with COVID itself as the incipient cause.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  409. https://nypost.com/2023/07/26/members-of-congress-had-ufo-sightings-of-their-own-rep-burchett/?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=nypost&utm_medium=social
    Story: Ex-intel official claims feds ‘absolutely’ have UFOs, bodies of ‘non-human’ origin during bombshell hearing

    My initial reaction: meh.

    UFO aficionado: Are you serious?!?!

    Me responding: It’s been a day homie.

    whembly (5f7596)

  410. I never see sarcasm online, Kevin. It’s easy in person but almost twenty years online, and I still can’t spot it.

    DRJ (ba8685) — 7/26/2023 @ 10:43 am

    On behalf of myself and my fellow sarcastic SOBs, I apologize for the confusion. We’re unlikely either to discontinue the sarcasm or explain it contemporaneously — for some inexplicable reason, most of us share a near religious aversion to explaining jokes — but at least for my own part the apology is sincere.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  411. : Ex-intel official claims feds ‘absolutely’ have UFOs, bodies of ‘non-human’ origin during bombshell hearing

    It’ll be tonight on Star Trek; Deep Space Nine on Heroes and Icons.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  412. lurker (cd7cd4) — 7/26/2023 @ 2:13 pm

    I had forgotten about your brother’s death, but now I remember the video you shared of him playing the guitar or ukulele.

    You are noble for honoring your brother’s wishes, but I suspect he would let you off the hook when it comes to wearing a mask now.

    norcal (145e0e)

  413. @380 There is some evidence that JFK was having second thoughts about are involvement in vietnam. Even conspiracy theories about his killing. Gore would never have invaded Iraq and you know this. As for 9-11 gore would have taken bin ladin’s threat more seriously as he didn’t need a second pearl harbor to invade Iraq. He would not have told CIA when handed brief in aug. 2001 bin ladin determined to attack america with aircraft OK you have covers your ass I am off to the ranch!

    asset (0fd9d4)

  414. Were the ufo’s calling mitch mcconnell at his press conference today?

    asset (0fd9d4)

  415. Thanks, norcal, but I don’t mind. In fact, having this small ritual, the most minor of inconveniences, to remind me of my brother is something for which I’m only grateful. Plus, I’ve dodged the COVID bullet so far. If I stopped masking now and contracted it, I’d really have to kick myself. As I write that I realize how superstitious I am, for which I can only mock myself. Consider myself mocked.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  416. lurker (cd7cd4) — 7/26/2023 @ 3:14 pm

    😁

    norcal (145e0e)

  417. @norcal@364 Ah. Yes, religious conflict can def be an issue. But as long as your mother is satisfied with the outcome, then it’s probably for the best.

    Nic (896fdf)

  418. 261.

    No, whembly, you don’t have that because the problem was that Shokin wasn’t prosecuting Burisma, or investigating Burisma for that matter

    That’s where we have claims (possibly originating with Putin in 2019 and conveyed to Giuliani) that he was.

    And he may have made some gestures to protect himself.

    Sammy Finkelman (f01dff)

  419. Yesterday there was a sudden big rainstorm in New York in the middle of the day but well after 2pmm

    Many branches and could be some small trees were knocked w=down somehwat like Hurricane Gloria and Hurricane Sandy.

    Sammy Finkelman (f01dff)

  420. 418, W was told of al Qaeda threat to Group of Seven meeting in Genoa. He asked what about USA? He was told yes bin Laden also had intent of targeting the USA. There was nothing actionable in that, and nobody d=said anything would happen soon.

    Sammy Finkelman (f01dff)

  421. lurker

    I am sorry about your brother. I had not read that before.

    We have family members who have had GBS. It made the vaccine decision difficult. Ironically, the only one who got Covid was the vaccinated GBS survivor. I have decided some people are more susceptible than others no matter what they do.

    As for the sarcasm apology, take it back. I feel like I should apologize for not getting the witty jokes. In my defense, I totally get it in real life.

    DRJ (ba8685)

  422. Thanks, DRJ. As for the apology, I’ll leave it out there. It’s a safe bet I’ll need it sooner than later. 🙂

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  423. Your point was that some of the posters here would respond differently to the flipped facts than to the real ones.

    No, that wasn’t my point at all, Kevin, and it has nothing to do with the posters here. It’s larger than that.
    My point was this: I expect the Left-Wing Academic Establishment to shut down dissent, even the modest kind like what happened to Weinstein, who basically could not return to work because the socialist hardliners would not brook the notion that he wouldn’t take a day off so that he could attend a seminar that guilt-tripped him because of his skin color.

    I did not expect that the Right-Wing Academic Establishment would do the same thing as the Left-Wing Academic Establishment, that my side was so intolerant of political dissent that they would shut it down and sack a professor who criticized an elected Republican official. Call me naive, but I thought that my party and the conservative movement were better than that (at least it should be better than that), that we could handle the criticism, that our ideas were so superior that, instead of autocratically canceling dissent, we would make the stronger argument, the better case in defending the conservative point of view, not resort to the Clintonesque “they did it, too” defense.
    But no, the authoritarian steak in the Left today is apparently as strong and prevalent in the Right, and the case at A&M is Exhibit A, and it signifies the increasingly bullying and autocratic tendencies of the Trumpist Right. For me, this Jack Kemp conservative never signed up for that. It’s that hypocrisy I was trying to point out.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  424. BTW, I gave myself a 24-hour cooling off period, not just at my irritation with you, Kevin, but at my larger irritation that the erstwhile Party of Reagan is still supporting a non-conservative con man, so much so that he leads the field by over 30, despite the fact that he’ll be under four criminal indictments before long, and the next “best” choice is an increasingly obvious deutschebag who thinks that an anti-vax crank is qualified to run the CDC, and the candidates who aren’t docile suck-ups to the con man can hardly get 3% support. This GOP needs to blow up, like, years ago.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  425. Speaking of extraordinary claims requiring extraordinary evidence……….

    Rip Murdock (44fc19)

  426. A Congress to be proud of.

    nk (a346df)

  427. I think we saw that at the other whistleblower hearings.

    Rip Murdock (44fc19)

  428. Brand-new Seattle Times columnist David Volodzko wrote a piece about the Lenin statue prominently placed in the Fremont district of Seattle, and it was quite good (the article, not the statue). The final paragraphs.

    So why is Lenin still there? If you talk to people or search online, you’ll find three main defenses. Some claim the statue is critical of Lenin because it depicts him marching with guns and flames instead of playing with children or reading. Others say it’s just a joke. Still others claim it’s another oddball feature of quirky old Fremont, like the Fremont Troll or the summer solstice festival.

    None of these arguments work. Lenin and the Bolsheviks emphasized the need for violence, so depicting him with guns is, if anything, a celebration of his legacy. People can say “it’s just a joke” if they like, but that works no better than it does to excuse wearing blackface for Halloween. Nor is Fremont’s freedom to be peculiar any more an excuse than it would be if we were talking about a statue of Joseph Goebbels.

    That said, should we tear it down? And with all the millions he killed, would we even be asking this question had Lenin owned so much as a single Black enslaved person?

    “It’s a slap in the face of millions whose loved ones were victims of genocide,” said Vladislav Davidzon, former editor-in-chief of The Odessa Review, when I told him about it. “But it should not be taken down by fiat.”

    Volodzko’s problem, however, is that he got a little too chatty on Twitter, particularly this inartful comment, where he said…

    “In fact, while Hitler has become the great symbol of evil in history books, he too was less evil than Lenin because Hitler only targeted people he personally believed were harmful to society whereas Lenin targeted even those he himself didn’t believe were harmful in any way.”

    He followed up with an explanatory and this part made sense…

    I was only speaking in terms of intention—of who wanted to kill more, not who actually did, and in a follow-up tweet I explained: “Hitler was more evil than Lenin if we’re looking at what they did to people and that’s a pretty important metric for assessing evil!”

    Let me be absolutely clear: actually killing more people, which Hitler did, is more evil. Lenin killed 4 million people, possibly up to 8 million, whereas Hitler killed roughly 20 million, including 6 million Jews. “In terms of death and destruction, the Nazis were more evil,” I wrote on Twitter. I also wrote, “Hitler was more evil in terms of how many he killed.”

    …but it was too late, the Times sacked him, which is unfortunate because his inaugural article was promising. I heard him talk about it on KUOW, and he’s a smart eloquent guy, so I wish him well. The Times’ loss is someone else’s gain.
    Seattle used to be a more tolerant city, but it ain’t today, and it’s another example of how the evils of Soviet communism–which snuffed out the lives of more human beings than Hitler ever did–still gets soft-pedaled in “polite” society.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  429. It’s looking probable that Trump will get indicted today or tomorrow, for electoral fraud at the least.
    Two signs: (1) The grand jury is convening today and will likely vote “aye” on prosecuting Trump, and (2) Trump’s attorneys are meeting with Jack Smith, presumably to serve notice and discuss logistics.
    Fulton County next.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  430. Paul Montagu (d52d7d) — 7/27/2023 @ 8:31 am

    To misquote Josef Stalin, “The death of one man is a tragedy, the death of millions is a statistic.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  431. Shadow docket: Supreme Court rules in favor of Mountain Valley Pipeline

    The Supreme Court on Thursday cleared the way for the completion of the Mountain Valley Pipeline, a controversial $6.6 billion natural-gas pipeline spanning just over 300 miles, from West Virginia’s northwestern border to southern Virginia. In a brief unsigned order, the justices lifted orders by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit that had put construction in the Jefferson National Forest, in southern Virginia, on hold while challenges from environmental groups to the construction continue. There were no recorded dissents.

    Thursday’s order by the Supreme Court was the latest chapter in the long-running dispute over construction of the pipeline, which began in 2018 and is – according to the pipeline company – nearly finished. The company contends that finishing the pipeline will provide a more reliable supply of natural gas at reasonable prices, while environmental groups counter that the project will harm waterways that are the home of endangered fish species.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  432. The Lenin statue is, ironically, private property. It’s even for sale if you want to buy it and melt it down.

    Davethulhu (695073)

  433. 435. The Wikipedia page links to this:

    https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/21/death-statistic

    The earliest evidence known to QI linking this saying to Joseph Stalin was published in 1947 by the popular syndicated newspaper columnist Leonard Lyons in “The Washington Post”…[Stalin supposedly said this in the early 1920s, during the first famine in the Ukraine, when he was not in charge of the Soviet Union] …QI does not know what source Lyons used to obtain the details of this noteworthy scene and quotation…

    ….In 1925 a journalist and satirist named Kurt Tucholsky wrote a piece in a German newspaper that included a statement that was similar to the quotation. Here was the original text together with an English translation:[4]

    Darauf sagt ein Diplomat vom Quai d’Orsay: „Der Krieg? Ich kann das nicht so schrecklich finden! Der Tod eines Menschen: das ist eine Katastrophe. Hunderttausend Tote: das ist eine Statistik!”

    At which a diplomat from French Ministry of Foreign Affairs replies: “The war? I can’t find it too terrible! The death of one man: that is a catastrophe. One hundred thousand deaths: that is a statistic!”

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  434. The Special Counsel just indicted a third guy in the Trump’s documents, a maintenance worker named Carlos De Oliveira, who could be the Trashcan Man in this Mar-A-Lago drama (“My life for you!”).

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  435. Maybe there was no J6 indictment because Jack Smith wasn’t done with the first one.

    Special counsel Jack Smith has brought additional charges against former President Donald Trump in the case alleging mishandling of classified documents, including one additional count of willful retention of national defense information and two additional obstruction counts, related to alleged attempts to delete surveillance video footage at Mar-a-Lago Club in summer 2022, court documents show.

    New charges were also filed against Trump’s aide Walt Nauta and Mar-a-Lago maintenance worker Carlos De Oliveira was added to the case. Trump and Nauta were charged in the probe last month and have pleaded not guilty.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  436. SC Smith added a 32nd document to the document count, the Iran invasion plan that he showed off at Bedminster to people who didn’t have the clearance to see it.
    Additionally, on 6/27/2022, well after the FBI request for security camera footage, De Oliveira ordered “Trump Employee 4” to delete them off the server. It’s now 40 federal counts against Trump.

    Paul Montagu (d52d7d)

  437. #433 Paul – Sometimes I wish there was less evidence for the cynical theory: “No good deed goes unpunished.”

    The Seattle Times also ran two letters atacking David Volodzko’s piece last Sunday.

    I assume no one at the newspaper has read this little book. Either in the original French, or in a translation.

    It is these kinds of action that led me to give up my subscription to the Times, much as I love newspapers, and despite the occasional solid article they do publish. But I am even more disturbed by their inactions, the things they don’t publish.

    For example, in recent years, they haven’t bothered to even mention Lincoln’s birthday. Which seems, among other things, incredibly stupid. People all over the world love to read about Lincoln.

    (Full disclosure: I have the oriignal French version and have read parts of it.)

    Jim Miller (a64eef)

  438. Jim, you may be interested to know that here in Reno there is a company called Lincoln Heating and Air Conditioning. Its radio ads feature little stories from Lincoln’s life, mostly things I didn’t know. I have even more appreciation for the man now.

    norcal (a92452)


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