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6/23/2023

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 9:51 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

Former Texas Representative Will Hurd enters the presidential race:

The former congressman has been an outspoken critic of former President Donald Trump and said last month that a race between President Joe Biden and Trump would be a “rematch from hell.”

“Someone like me, right, a dark horse candidate, can pull this off…One, you can’t be afraid of Donald Trump. Too many of these candidates in this race are afraid of Donald Trump. But we also have to articulate a different vision.”

…“Our enemies plot, create chaos, and threaten the American dream. At home, illegal immigration and fentanyl stream into our country. Inflation, still out of control. Crime and homelessness growing in our cities,” Hurd says in the video.

Hurd said that he will refuse to sign the required loyalty pledge to back the eventual Republican nominee:

I won’t be signing any kind of pledges, and I don’t think that parties should be trying to rig who should be on a debate stage…

Hurd voted against impeaching Trump in 2019.

Second news item

President Zelensky warns:

Ukrainian spies believe Russia is planning a “terrorist” attack at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant involving a release of radiation, Volodymr Zelensky has said, after his intelligence chief warned Russian troops had mined the cooling systems.

“Intelligence has received information that Russia is considering the scenario of a terrorist act at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant – a terrorist act with the release of radiation,” the Ukrainian president said. “They have prepared everything for this.”

The Kremlin dismissed the allegation as “another lie”, and said a team of UN nuclear inspectors had visited the plant and rated everything highly.

Third news item

Trump team receives first batch of discovery material:

Special counsel Jack Smith has turned over the first batch of evidence in the classified documents case to former President Donald Trump’s legal team, according to a court filing Wednesday.

The first production of unclassified discovery includes “the grand jury testimony of witnesses who will testify for the government at this case,” according to the filing.

Trump seems to be taking this well:

Fourth news item

Enough is enough. Maricopa County recorder suing perpetual grifter Kari Lake:

I’m suing Kari Lake.

I’d hoped the defamation would stop after the election. I waited.

I’d hoped it would stop after the first election trial. I waited.

I’d hoped it would stop after the appeal. I waited.

I’d hoped it would stop after the second trial. I waited.

I’d hoped it would stop after she got a new job. I waited.

But then I realized I AM the job. Defaming me is her path to campaign donations, speaking opportunities, and national trips.

I live a very lucky, wonderful life.

But these defamatory statements have altered my life. For the worse. Materially.

And just because I live a great life doesn’t mean I have to sit back while somebody says false things about me and says I did truly horrible things — things that multiple courts found to be false.

I wish it would have stopped on its own.

But it didn’t.

So today I’m suing Kari Lake to hopefully put an end to the false statements.

Fifth news item

Supreme Court ruling gives President Biden a victory:

The Supreme Court, in an 8-1 ruling on Friday, revived the Biden administration’s immigration guidelines that prioritize which noncitizens to deport, dismissing a challenge from two Republican state attorneys general who argued the policies conflicted with immigration law.

The court said the states, Texas and Louisiana, did not have the “standing,” or the legal right, to sue in the first place in a decision that will further clarify when a state can challenge a federal policy in court going forward.

By ruling against the states, the court tightened the rules concerning when states may challenge federal policies with which they disagree. The Biden administration policy was put on pause by a federal judge nearly two years ago and the Supreme Court declined to lift that hold last year.

Justice Brett Kavanaugh wrote Friday’s majority opinion in the case.

“In sum, the states have brought an extraordinarily unusual lawsuit,” Kavanaugh wrote, in an opinion joined by Chief Justice John Roberts, and Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson. “They want a federal court to order the Executive Branch to alter its arrest policies so as to make more arrests. Federal courts have not traditionally entertained that kind of lawsuit; indeed, the States cite no precedent for a lawsuit like this.”

Sixth news item

President Biden fact checked:

Not true a brace increases gun caliber
Not true NRA can’t be sued
Not true gun firms are only firms shielded from suits
Not true 2A bans machine guns
Not true Beau Biden was first to enforce a red flag law

Read full report here.

Seventh news item

These are not serious people:

Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.) and Elise Stefanik (R-N.Y.) introduced resolutions “expunging” Trump’s 2019 and 2021 impeachments, respectively.

It would be “as if such Articles of Impeachment had never passed the full House of Representatives,” Stefanik’s office said in a press release.

Eighth news item

State rep tells parents to leave California:

California State Sen. Scott Wilk, R-Santa Clarita, urged parents to “flee” the state before it’s too late if they “love their children” in response to what he calls alarming language in a gender identity bill. Legislation AB 957 cleared the Senate Judiciary Committee with an 8-1 vote on Tuesday…”In the past when we’ve had these discussions and I’ve seen parental rights atrophy, I’ve encouraged people to keep fighting. I’ve changed my mind on that,” Wilk said. “If you love your children, you need to flee California. You need to flee.”

AB 957, was initially authored by Democratic Assembly member Lori Wilson and State Senator Scott Weiner, who also co-sponsored it.

A spokesperson for Sen. Wilson tried to downplay concerns over the amendment, saying previously, “It’s not saying [affirmation] is the most important factor or determining factor. It’s one of many factors that the judge should consider while working out a custody agreement.”

Weiner, a representative from San Francisco, also introduced a bill that would require foster parents to affirm the gender of a child entering their home and a third piece of legislation, SB 107, that would grant access to sex changes for minors without parental consent.

Related: New polling:

More than 40% of residents say they’re contemplating moving out of California, with nearly half of them saying they’re considering that “very seriously.” About 61% pointed to the high cost of living here as the reason they’d go.

Ninth news item

The Party of personal responsibility boos 2024 candidate for discussing Trump’s lack of leadership and failure to take personal responsibility for his actions:

Have a great weekend.

–Dana

280 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning!

    Dana (560c99)

  2. Seventh news item

    Is expunging impeachment even a thing?

    What a waste of time…

    I’d rather they spend their time with impeaching current officials than what was done in previous congressional sessions.

    whembly (d116f3)

  3. Did anyone predict this a year ago?

    WASHINGTON, D.C. – A Ways and Means Committee executive meeting resulted in a vote to release to the public whistleblower testimony of two different IRS employees who worked directly on the tax evasion case of Hunter Biden. That testimony outlines misconduct and government abuse at the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) in the investigation of Hunter Biden. The allegations point to a steady campaign of: unequal treatment of enforcing tax law; Department of Justice (DOJ) interference in the form of delays, divulgences, and denials, into the investigation of tax crimes that may have been committed by the President’s son; and finally, retaliation against IRS employees who blew the whistle on the misconduct.

    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/smith-testimony-of-irs-employees-reveals-biden-irs-doj-interfered-in-tax-investigation-of-hunter-biden-revealing-preferential-treatment-for-wealthy-and-politically-connected/

    The transcripts and letter:

    Whistleblower #1 redacted transcript

    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-1-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

    Whistleblower #1 redacted affidavit:
    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WB-1-Affadavit_Redacted.pdf

    Whistleblower #2 redacted transcript:
    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/Whistleblower-2-Transcript_Redacted.pdf

    Whistleblower #2 redacted supplemental submission:
    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/WB-2-Supplemental-Submission_Redacted.pdf

    June 7, 2023 letter:
    https://waysandmeans.house.gov/wp-content/uploads/2023/06/June-7-2023-Letter_Redacted.pdf

    We should probably assume that the whistleblowers lied on sworn affidavits and lied in testimony before congress.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  4. Re: Seventh news item

    How woke!

    Related: MTG Not Crazy Enough?

    ……..
    At least two hardliners have discussed — and proposed to Freedom Caucus Chair Scott Perry (R-Pa.) — trying to boot members who no longer meet the group’s standards, according to three Republicans with knowledge of the talks who spoke on condition of anonymity. The lawmakers declined to name who’s behind the ouster calls, underscoring the sensitivity of the situation.

    While the members suggesting a purge did not specify the people they want to remove, they are signaling that one target of any ejection push is Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.). Some in the Freedom Caucus have focused on Greene, who’s become a close ally of Speaker Kevin McCarthy, to illustrate their fears that certain group members are too aligned with GOP leaders and too outwardly critical of the group when it splits on certain issues.
    ………..
    Perry told POLITICO that he denied the removal requests.
    ………
    As for internal concerns about Greene, (Rep. Ralph Norman (R-S.C.)) said he wasn’t suggesting pushing her out but replied: “She’s been critical of us for a long time.”

    Compounding that sentiment: an ugly floor fight this week between Greene and Rep. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) over their competing resolutions to impeach President Joe Biden. Greene confirmed a Daily Beast report that she called her Freedom Caucus colleague “a little b!tch” on the House floor, telling reporters that the story was “impressively correct.”
    ………
    “It’s really unfortunate that somebody communicated the conversation that took place on the floor” between herself and Greene, Boebert added, “because I was willing to walk away [from] people wanting to stir up unnecessary drama.”

    She criticized reporters for focusing on “pettiness” rather than her impeachment proposal: “I didn’t leave my four kids and now my grandson to come up here and have cat fights and just to get in squabbles.”
    ……….
    As prized as party unity is in the House, some in the Freedom Caucus see the group’s issues as matters of trust — not disagreements over one vote or another. Two of the three group members who confirmed the ouster discussions said certain lawmakers hold back during weekly Freedom Caucus meetings, fearing that other conservatives in attendance will tell McCarthy and his allies about any talk that GOP leadership won’t like.
    ………
    To others in the group it’s more binary: You’re coopted by leadership, or you’re not.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  5. @3“It’s really unfortunate that somebody communicated the conversation that took place on the floor” between herself and Greene, Boebert added, “because I was willing to walk away [from] people wanting to stir up unnecessary drama.”

    She criticized reporters for focusing on “pettiness” rather than her impeachment proposal: “I didn’t leave my four kids and now my grandson to come up here and have cat fights and just to get in squabbles.”
    Uh… Boebert… cat fights and squabbles is de jure in Congress. What’d you think it was going to be?

    whembly (d116f3)

  6. First News Item:

    Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.

    Morning Consult Tracking Poll 6/21/23:

    ……….
    Fifty-seven percent of potential Republican primary voters back Trump for the party’s 2024 presidential nomination, a slight decline from an all-time high of 61% in mid-May. Despite the small dip in support, Trump is still well ahead of DeSantis, his closest competitor who is backed by 20% of the party’s electorate.

    Almost half of potential GOP primary voters (46%) hold unfavorable views of former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie, up from 39% ahead of his June 6 campaign announcement as he’s made headlines for criticizing Trump. His support has grown from 1% to 3% over the past couple weeks, putting his backing in line with former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott and entrepreneur Vivek Ramaswamy.

    ………. Fifty-eight percent of potential GOP primary voters haven’t heard of (Miami Mayor Francis Suarez), making him the second least-known candidate after North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum.
    ……….
    Former Vice President Mike Pence is supported by 7% of the party’s electorate, while Christie, Haley, Ramaswamy and Scott have 3% backing.
    Former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson has 1% support, while Burgum has 0% backing. (“Someone else” gets 1%).
    ……….
    Hypothetical head-to-head matchups show Trump trailing Biden by 1 percentage point among the general electorate, while DeSantis trails the incumbent by 2 points.
    ……….
    Trump is popular with 78% of the party’s potential electorate, while 20% view him unfavorably.
    ……….
    The share of potential primary voters who view Pence unfavorably increased from 32% to 42% following his campaign launch, while a larger share (49%) holds favorable opinions.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  7. resolutions “expunging” Trump’s 2019 and 2021 impeachments, respectively

    There is some precedent.

    Andrew Jackson was censured by the 1834 Whig-controlled Senate (the Whigs were largely a coalition of #NeverJackson). The Senate control had changed by 1836 and the now Democrat-controlled Senate voted to expunge the censure.

    This was the only time a President had been censured. To those who say it’s a toothless act neglect Jackson’s interest in having it expunged.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  8. CNN Poll: Trump’s GOP support appears to soften post-indictment, but he holds lead in primary field

    Overall, 47% of Republicans and Republican-leaning registered voters say Trump is their first choice for the party’s nomination for president, down from 53% in a May CNN poll. Support for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis held steady at 26% in the latest poll, with former Vice President Mike Pence at 9%, former United Nations Ambassador Nikki Haley at 5%, South Carolina Sen. Tim Scott at 4%, former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie at 3% and the remaining candidates at 1% or less.

    But also this:

    Most Americans approve of Trump’s indictment stemming from his alleged mishandling of classified documents after leaving office, even as 71% say politics played a role in that charging decision [emphasis mine].

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  9. First News Item:

    Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.

    Evan McMullin would be proud.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  10. As for Scott Weiner’s legislation to enforce Leftist morality, the state should be sued under the first amendment for imposing restrictions on the free exercise of religion, if not for imposing Godless moral dogma.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  11. From a previous thread:

    They don’t even want birthright citizenship

    Who is “they”? That is a fringe position. At best, “citizenship tourism”, where an expectant mother flies into the US to have a baby and then all depart, might be handled by the qualifying language of the 14th Amendment:…….

    “They” includes the Trump campaign, and Republicans are evenly divided between supporting and ending birthright citizenship. While it may be difficult if not impossible to change (it would require a or a constitutional amendment or a reinterpretation of Supreme Court decisions going back over a century), it has a powerful attraction. No one would win a Republican primary campaign supporting birthright citizenship.

    Almost 80 percent of Democrats and 60 percent of independents said they want the country to continue birthright citizenship. Only 42 percent of Republicans said they do, compared to 40 percent who said they want the policy to end.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  12. Evan McMullin would be proud.

    He got 41% of the vote in 2022, challenging Trumpist Mike Lee for the Senate. In hard-Red Utah.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  13. Was Evan known at that point?

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  14. @10: We were discussing Congress, not popular sentiment or Trump. As the article says, few would win a GOP primary with that as a campaign theme. Support in Congress doesn’t extend much further than the GOP rump in the ironically misnamed House Freedom Caucus.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  15. @7-

    From the same CNN poll:

    Few in the GOP want to see Trump drummed out of the race or repudiated by his party in response to the indictment. A 54% majority of Republican and Republican-leaning voters say that Trump’s conduct doesn’t matter much to them as they consider his candidacy, because a president’s effectiveness matters more.

    Just 12% say that in responding to the indictment, other Republican candidates for the nomination should focus on publicly condemning Trump’s alleged actions in this case, with 42% saying candidates should do more to publicly condemn the government’s prosecution of Trump, and 45% that they shouldn’t take a stand either way.
    ……….
    A sizable 40% minority of non-Trump GOP voters approve of his indictment on these federal charges. And those who do disapprove tend to feel less strongly about it (28% strongly disapprove among non-Trump Republicans) than do those currently backing Trump (76% strongly disapprove).

    Most Republican and Republican-leaning voters who support Trump for the nomination say he did nothing wrong in this case (58%) and just 3% that he acted illegally. Those Republican and Republican-leaning voters who support other candidates, though, broadly say Trump acted unethically (52%) or illegally (31%), with only 16% saying he did nothing wrong.

    A near-universal 97% of the former president’s current supporters say he did not put national security at risk, compared with a smaller 67% majority of those who do not support him for the nomination.

    Right now it’s not important what voters overall think of Trump’s indictment, what is important is what Republican voters think. And they don’t care.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  16. Was Evan known at that point?

    In Utah. He received 21.5% of the Utah presidential vote in 2016.

    I’ll point out that I (and others) voted for the man in 2016, so he wasn’t completely unknown.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  17. because a president’s effectiveness matters more.

    ROTFFLMAO.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  18. He received 21.5% of the Utah presidential vote in 2016.

    How many days was that after he announced his candidacy?

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  19. Earlier: “Trump’s support will increase as the result of these charges”
    Now: “Trump’s support has decreased”
    Takeaway for some: “See we said it would not fall by much!”

    I expect that, as people become aware of the actual charges, his support will continue to decrease. The only hitch is that people would have to try to find out, and, like Trump himself, many of his voters are incurious to the point of willful ignorance.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  20. ITEM #1: As I wrote at the Dispatch, I agree with Hurd’s assessment of Trump and about ending dysfunction in Congress, but in my estimation, his resume is a bit underwhelming to be the Chief Executive. If you want anti-Trump truth telling, there’s Christie and Hutchinson…both governors and prosecutors. It’s nice that Hurd has CIA experience and was a moderate in the House, but I’m unsure how that’s enough experience for an electorate to see that he’s ready for primetime. Granted he’s probably getting his name out there to get other jobs…but there’s already too many dark horses. Anyone can talk and take a position, heck people do it continuously on the internet. The job is more than that. You should have demonstrated leadership. This shouldn’t be on-the-job.

    ITEM #9: Christie getting boo’ed just show us where we are at. The GOP does not care about truth. Truth is only what Trump says. If we can’t get back to a party of Truth…with leaders committed to Truth, I don’t see how the GOP survives. You can argue: well, everyone spins facts to their benefit, Trump is just less polished at it. And that’s what I’m losing patience with. Yes, politicians spin all the time. Trump does it without consequence to what it is doing to the office, our other institutions, and to our democracy. He doesn’t care. We can’t have this.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  21. How many days was that after he announced his candidacy?

    WTF does that have to do with anything? There are definite lead-time requirements. He was serving as the policy director for the House Republican Caucus until July 2016, when he resigned both his job and party membership over Trump’s nomination, so it probably was after that, but not too long after.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  22. WTF does that have to do with anything?

    Let’s start here:

    Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.

    Did Evan have “national name recognition” when he “[entered] the race?”

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  23. AllahNick can’t make sense of Hurd’s unnecessary candidacy, but it was fun watching him try. Hurd has no place 2% lane that Christie-Hutchinson occupy and, as Nick notes, there is no policy lane.

    What makes Will Hurd confounding is that he plainly has no chance of winning yet also has no obvious ulterior motive to run that I can discern.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  24. Christie was booed by a handful of attendees. He was applauded by more. This was not a room erupting in boos, and people should not spin it that way.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  25. Did Evan have “national name recognition” when he “[entered] the race?”

    He entered it as an independent, reacting to the lack of a better Utah name.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  26. That being said, I beleive that McMullin offered a needed alternative. Hurd’s is a head-scratcher, only more qualified and important than Miami’s Mayor Whatshisname.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  27. I think the Brett Baier interview is starting to expose Trump’s biggest issue: he’s got no real defense….and it’s only going to get worse as the campaign moves on. The debate in August is going to make this more apparent. I still give an edge to Trump NOT participating…because his legal team can’t trust what he will say. So, without Trump, he will look weak and someone like Christie will call him out in the harshest terms. It will get more uncomfortable as Trump can only respond with all-capitals screeds that smell of desperation and delusion. I predict that Trump will be under 40% by September.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  28. Let’s start here:

    Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.

    Did Evan have “national name recognition” when he “[entered] the race?”

    BuDuh (ef506d) — 6/23/2023 @ 11:08 am

    McMullin didn’t run as a Republican, he was an independent candidate in 2016. In late August 2016, polling nationwide and in most states placed McMullin in the 1-2% range. He also wasn’t on enough state ballots to win a majority in the Electoral College (he appeared only on the Arkansas, Colorado, Idaho, Iowa, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, New Mexico, South Carolina, Utah, and Virginia general ballots), receiving less than 800,000 votes. His campaign defined “quixotic.”

    I doubt you could find more than 1% of Americans who have any idea who Will Hurd is.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  29. Biden seems to think that he won something in the immigration case. I’m not so sure, as the decision suggested that establishing standing ensured “federal courts prevent the judicial process from being used to usurp the powers of the political branches.”

    Well, now, what powers does Congress have to redress usurpation by the President? One is clearly impeachment, and whaddayouknow, just that is being looked into. Also with Mayorkas. I think that this will result in more interest in such an impeachment, now that the courts have washed their hands of it.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  30. @26: Unlikely as it may be, the documents trial is scheduled to be started in August. That might put a big crimp on Trump’s debate appearance. If he shows anyway, outtakes will be seen the next day at the trial.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  31. From an article titled “Meet Evan McMullin, The #NeverTrump Movement’s Last Hope:”

    Although McMullin starts out virtually unknown to the general public, he has a lengthy history in government work. He spent 11 years working at the CIA as an undercover operations officer in several conflict zones in Africa, the Middle East and Asia. Before working at the CIA, he spent a year as a volunteer refugee resettlement officer in the Middle East and Africa for the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees. Earlier in May, he gave a Tedx Talk at London’s Business School discussing genocide and how individuals and companies can help to end it.

    https://www.npr.org/2016/08/08/489174101/meet-evan-mcmullin-the-nevertrump-movements-last-hope

    I realize that I will never make the case to anyone here that Evan, when he entered the race, fit the description of “Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.” Mostly because there is an argument about name recognition sometime after he entered the race.

    Oh well. At least they both have ties to the CIA…

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  32. Unlikely as it may be, the documents trial is scheduled to be started in August.

    With the motions the defense is planning, that is extremely unlikely. Cannon was required to set that date by the Speedy Trial Act.

    ……….
    The Act establishes time limits for completing the various stages of a federal criminal prosecution. The information or indictment must be filed within 30 days from the date of arrest or service of the summons. Trial must commence within 70 days from the date the information or indictment was filed, or from the date the defendant appears before an officer of the court in which the charge is pending, whichever is later.
    ……….
    Certain pretrial delays are automatically excluded from the Act’s time limits, such as delays caused by pretrial motions…….
    ………

    Legal citations omitted. For one thing, it will take at least a couple of months for Trump’s attorneys to obtain security clearances. Also, there will be pre-trial hearings under the Classified Information Procedures Act. And Trump’s attorneys will be challenging the use of former attorney Evan Cochran’s notes and recordings.

    My prediction is the trial won’t start for another year.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  33. I realize that I will never make the case to anyone here that Evan, when he entered the race, fit the description of “Another Lilliputian enters the race who has absolutely no national name recognition.”

    I wouldn’t disagree, and his campaign performed like a Lilliputian (or more appropriately, Don Quixote.)

    CIA=Deep State. 😜

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  34. it will take at least a couple of months for Trump’s attorneys to obtain security clearances.

    If they are still waiting after 2 months, they aren’t going to get them. WHile a TS clearance can normally take a year, there is an EXPEDITE flag on these. It is in EVERYONE’s interest, except of course Trump’s. that the trial happen this year. Next year will be a full-on national disaster.

    When everyone wants something to happen, it does. The trial will not be next year. The J6 trial might be, assuming there is one after Trump is locked up for the next 10 years. And, no, I don’t see the GOP being so crazy as to allow a jailed felon to run in their primaries.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  35. If they are still waiting after 2 months, they aren’t going to get them. ……


    Chris Kise could have a problem. He is/was a registered foreign agent for Venezuela.

    ……. after Trump is locked up for the next 10 years.

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  36. Since Hunter hasn’t come up yet, I’ll just say that the latest whistleblower (and he sounds like an actual whistleblower) is good reason for Weiss to have been bumped up to Special Counsel. I doubt the charges would’ve been much different than what came out, but it would’ve meant that Weiss only had to report to the AG and not others down the chain.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  37. “Someone like me, right, a dark horse candidate, can pull this off…One, you can’t be afraid of Donald Trump. Too many of these candidates in this race are afraid of Donald Trump. But we also have to articulate a different vision.”

    God bless Will Hurd, but in real life the Little Engine Who Could hardly ever makes it up the mountain. Who was the last President elected after serving solely in the House and having previously held no higher political office? James A. Garfield. And Garfield served eight House terms to Hurd’s three. Will Hurd may style himself the next Abraham Lincoln, but I’m not gonna hold my breath.

    Every candidate like Will Hurd who dips his or her toes into the water with pretty much no chance of winning the nomination is serving Donald Trump’s interests for the time being. All I can say is that if these fools haven’t gained any traction by New Hampshire, they need to do like the Dems did four years ago and one by one bow out and make way for someone who can win in November.

    JVW (1ad43e)

  38. Since Hunter hasn’t come up yet,…

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 6/23/2023 @ 12:40 pm

    I mentioned early on it in what used to be the third comment of the thread. Looking back now, the comment is completely gone. What gives?

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  39. I duplicated the missing comment and the duplicate is in moderation.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  40. Every candidate like Will Hurd who dips his or her toes into the water with pretty much no chance of winning the nomination is serving Donald Trump’s interests for the time being. All I can say is that if these fools haven’t gained any traction by New Hampshire, they need to do like the Dems did four years ago and one by one bow out and make way for someone who can win in November.

    JVW (1ad43e) — 6/23/2023 @ 12:42 pm

    All the candidates that are polling less than 10 percent are serving only one candidate’s interest-the one that is polling 59%.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  41. One, you can’t be afraid of Donald Trump.

    As noted above in the most recent Morning Consult poll, the candidate that has centered his campaign around criticizing Trump is losing favorability among Republican voters. It’s really a no-win situation.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  42. oooof.
    https://www.nationalreview.com/2023/06/the-explosive-irs-whistleblower-revelations-on-hunter-biden/

    The Explosive IRS Whistleblower Revelations on Hunter Biden

    If confirmed, explosive whistleblower testimony by a senior Internal Revenue Service agent released by a House committee yesterday adds to evidence that President Biden was up to his neck in his family’s lucrative business of cashing in on his political influence. Given that this business involves millions of dollars in suspiciously structured payments to Biden family accounts from corrupt and anti-American regimes, prominently including the Chinese Communist Party, national security demands that Congress prioritize this investigation.

    Of equally immediate concern, particularly after the sweetheart plea bargain the Biden Justice Department just announced it is giving the president’s son, Hunter Biden, to dispose of his serious tax and firearms crimes, someone in that investigation is lying. Specifically, if the testimony IRS supervisory agent Gary A. Shapley Jr. has provided to the House Ways and Means Committee is true, then the testimony Attorney General Merrick Garland provided to the Senate Judiciary Committee was false.

    Yet, as our Andrew C. McCarthy has recounted (here and here), Senator Chuck Grassley (R., Iowa) has reported that senior FBI officials colluded with congressional Democrats in 2020 to portray the substantial evidence of financial chicanery amassed by Senators Grassley and Ron Johnson (R., Wis.) as Russian disinformation; and, according to tech executives, senior FBI officials admonished them that social-media companies would be abetting Russian interference in the presidential election if they allowed late-breaking derogatory information to be disseminated on their platforms. This led directly to the suppression of the New York Post’s reporting on the incriminating laptop data in October 2020 (months after the FBI had established the data’s authenticity); and to the Biden campaign’s collaboration with former national-security officials to gin up a letter falsely suggesting that the laptop reporting was a Russian intelligence operation — a letter that then-candidate Biden used as cover when then-president Trump raised the laptop in the final debate shortly before Election Day.

    In the years leading up to the 2020 election, the Biden probe was assigned to Delaware U.S. attorney David Weiss, a Trump appointee whose confirmation in the president’s home state was supported by its Democratic senators (Biden allies Tom Carper and Chris Coons). Following the transition to a new administration, Weiss was retained to continue running the investigation by the Biden Justice Department, even though other Trump-appointed district U.S. attorneys were fired. Garland refused to appoint a special counsel despite the obvious conflict of interest in the Biden Justice Department’s investigation of the president’s son (and, more broadly, the Biden family influence-peddling business). The attorney general’s rationale was that the case was in the capable hands of a Trump appointee and vowed that there would be no political interference.

    Shapley recounts, however, that throughout 2020, the IRS was thwarted in its efforts to conduct a search of Hunter Biden’s residences, interviews with his business associates, and basic follow-up of investigative leads. For the most part, he says, the strictures and slow-walking were decreed by a career prosecutor in Weiss’s office, assistant U.S. attorney Lesley Wolf. She claimed that the Justice Department needed to be careful of the “optics” of investigating the son of the then-Democratic nominee because DOJ was under “fire” that was “self-inflicted,” requiring that it “repair” its “reputation” — apparent allusions to the dismal DOJ/FBI performance in the 2016 Clinton-email and Russiagate probes.

    The whistleblower agent maintains that Wolf and other Justice Department lawyers not only vetoed searches for which they acknowledged there was probable cause, but that Wolf also tipped off one of Hunter Biden’s lawyers about a storage locker to which Biden had transferred documents from his Washington business office.

    Furthermore, according to the whistleblower, when agents were planning to interview Biden associate Rob Walker about a now-notorious email, which related that Hunter was to hold a 10 percent stake “for the big guy” in an anticipated multimillion-dollar deal with Chinese government–connected CEFC, Wolf is said to have directed them not to ask questions about President Biden. According to Shapley, over objections from both FBI and IRS agents, Wolf insisted that there was “no specific criminality to that line of questioning,” and therefore they were not to ask about “the big guy” or “dad.”

    In the course of this dithering, the statute of limitations lapsed on key charges. Investigators had gathered proof that Hunter Biden failed to register as a foreign agent for Burisma, the corrupt Ukrainian energy company that put him on its board while his father was running point on Obama administration Ukraine policy. In addition, in 2014 and 2015, he evaded taxes on his lavish Burisma income. Such charges should have been the backbone of any tax and corruption prosecution against Biden; now they are time-barred.

    Garland vowed that the Biden investigation would proceed independently. That investigation has implicated the president in the shady business dealings of his son, who appears to have committed serious crimes. Now, the investigating agents claim the probe has been sabotaged by Garland’s department — the same Biden DOJ that just gave away the store in the plea bargain. Garland, Weiss, Wolf, and everyone connected to this growing scandal owe the nation answers, forthwith.

    It’s impossible now, to ignore the asymmetrical treatment of government powers based on your political leanings.

    I don’t see how DOJ/FBI can recover from this.

    whembly (d116f3)

  43. Although McMullin starts out virtually unknown to the general public……..

    And his campaign ended the same way.

    Rip Murdock (7d8253)

  44. whembly (d116f3) — 6/23/2023 @ 2:02 pm

    It would be more believable if there was documentation released by Congress that back up the allegations.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  45. @43

    whembly (d116f3) — 6/23/2023 @ 2:02 pm

    It would be more believable if there was documentation released by Congress that back up the allegations.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a) — 6/23/2023 @ 2:04 pm

    I’m not that upset of the Biden allegation. It doesn’t surprise me.

    I’m more upset at the disparities we’re seeing here…

    The Crossfire Hurricane spawned several investigations based on allegations that would be fit to print on the National Inquire.

    Yet, the Biden’s allegations, have had FAR more credible evidence worth investigation, that the FBI/DOJ is doing their damnedest to avoid pursuing.

    We shouldn’t HAVE to ask Congress to start investigation this…which really can only be done either Select Hearings or Impeachment Hearings. We should *expect* the DOJ/FBI to have absolute integrity in equally apply the law.

    whembly (d116f3)

  46. Breaking: From an Arutz Sheva news brief:

    Russia’s security service opens criminal case against Wagner Group leader Yevgeny Prigozhin after he accused the army of killing his troops.

    (Israel National News’ North American desk is keeping you updated until the start of Shabbat in New York. The time posted automatically on all Israel National News articles, however, is Israeli time.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  47. I think Yevgeny Prigozhin was aiming at a stab-in-the-back accusation in case Russia gave up the war, so this may mean that Putin is seriously considering abandoning the war if forced to retreat.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  48. Furthermore, according to the whistleblower, when agents were planning to interview Biden associate Rob Walker about a now-notorious email, which related that Hunter was to hold a 10 percent stake “for the big guy” in an anticipated multimillion-dollar deal with Chinese government–connected CEFC, Wolf is said to have directed them not to ask questions about President Biden. According to Shapley, over objections from both FBI and IRS agents, Wolf insisted that there was “no specific criminality to that line of questioning,” and therefore they were not to ask about “the big guy” or “dad.”

    They did ask one question.

    They were going to interview 12 people in one day but thiswas sabtaged and they only got to interview Ron Walker.

    But Donald Trump was still president at the time

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  49. https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/hunter-biden-used-joe-as-leverage-in-china-biz-deal-text

    When quizzed about the “big guy” email, written by Gilliar, Walker told investigators on Dec. 8, 2020: “I think that maybe James was wishful thinking or maybe he was just projecting that, you know, if this was a good relationship and this was something that was going to happen, the VP was never going to run [for president], just protecting that, you know, maybe at some point he would be a piece of it, but he was more just, you know — it looks terrible, but it’s not. I certainly never was thinking at any time the VP was a part of anything we were doing.”

    However, according to Shapley, Walker later recalled a CEFC meeting where Joe Biden “stopped in, just said hello to everybody. I don’t even think he drank water. I think Hunter Biden said, ‘I may be trying to start a company or try to do something with these guys and could you?’ And I think he was like, ‘If I’m around,’ and he’d show up.”

    In Shapley’s retelling, an FBI agent quizzing Walker asked: “”So you definitely got the feeling that that was orchestrated by Hunter Biden to have like an appearance by his dad at that meeting just to kind of bolster your chances at making a deal work out?”

    “Sure,” Walker reportedly said.

    “Any times when he was in office? Or did you hear Hunter Biden say that he was setting up a meeting with his dad with them while dad was still in office?”

    “Yes,” Walker replied again.

    “And, inexplicably, the FBI agent changed the subject,” Shapley recalled.

    Zhao, who is a Communist Party official, invested in Hunter’s firm Bohai Harvest RST Equity Investment Fund Management Co., also known as BHR Partners, which the first son cofounded with other Chinese entities in 2013 — 12 days after he joined then-Vice President Biden for a trip aboard Air Force Two to Beijing.

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  50. Can we talk about issues — ANY issues — instead of candidates, personalities, and resumes?

    Guns. Schools. Immigration. Inflation. Prisons. The Military. The War on Terror. Voting Machines. NATO. Free Trade …

    Genetically modified foods? Cyber-bullying? Gas stovetops? Recycled styrofoam? Climate? Killer Whales? A Trillion Dollar Platinum Coin?

    RFK Jr at least stands up and HAS an issue, and takes a side on his issue. “Vaccination of children is a risky business and parents should have a say…”

    I’m tired of personalities. “OH, I used to be a governor. Or a mayor. Or a movie star, professional wrestler, CIA bureaucrat, wife/son/brother of a former president…” Talk to me about problems and solutions, please.

    Or shut up and leave the stage.

    Pouncer (353e50)

  51. On open threads you can mostly talk about anything you want, Pouncer. Unless it is my comment about Hunter Biden with links to transcripts. In that case it disappears because reasons.

    But anything else should be ok.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  52. Yevgeny Prigozhin accused the Russian army of killing his troops with missile strikes, and called for aarch o=for justice on Moscow. Rusian radio says there is a rebellion We hear about Putin that he is aware of the situation.

    Sammy Finkelman (f51d3c)

  53. There are some serious factual disputes re: Hunter Biden investigation like whether or not Weiss ever asked to be madea special counsel.

    Sammy Finkelman (f51d3c)

  54. The IRS investigators alleged Justice Department prosecutors denied their requests to look further into Hunter’s texts or obtain their location data — and that DOJ attorneys suggested the first son may have been lying about his father being in the room with him.

    Shapley singled out Delaware Assistant US Attorney Lesley Wolf as one of the prosecutors who shut down their probe of a multimillion-dollar deal Hunter, first brother James Biden and their associate Rob Walker cashed in on with China’s CEFC Energy, saying “she did not want to ask questions about ‘dad.’”

    She also reportedly opposed some investigative tactics because it would be bad optics (Trump was still president) and asked whether the juice was worth the squeeze (>>)

    Sammy Finkelman (f51d3c)

  55. juice? squeeze?

    https://nypost.com/2023/06/22/irs-whistleblowers-say-doj-covered-up-hunter-biden-tax-fraud

    The Walker interview, on Dec. 8, 2020, was one of 12 investigators had planned to conduct on a so-called “day of action.” However, Shapley said, he learned the night before that “FBI headquarters had notified Secret Service headquarters and the transition team about the planned actions the following day. This essentially tipped off a group of people very close to President Biden and Hunter Biden and gave this group an opportunity to obstruct the approach”. According to Shapley, the first son’s attorneys refused to allow him to be interviewed.

    Biden was going to become the president-elect.

    Sammy Finkelman (f51d3c)

  56. Trump was still president,

    Sammy Finkelman (f51d3c)

  57. Whembly,

    you’ll get silence or people saying there isn’t enough evidence to discuss it.

    Biden is a crook. The only way the evidence will come out is if the left decides it’s time to dump him and they want a new candidate. That time may be soon at hand.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  58. Lots of comments get filtered, Buduh. The reasons are understandable and not targeted at any person or idea. It usually involves words used by spammers or swear words.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  59. Thanks, DRJ.

    My comment was up for a while before it was taken down.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  60. On open threads you can mostly talk about anything you want, Pouncer. Unless it is my comment about Hunter Biden with links to transcripts. In that case it disappears because reasons.

    But anything else should be ok.

    “Reasons” include the well-known tendency of the filter to block comments with multiple links. In this case, yours has six. That is always going to trip the filter, I think it maxes out at five.

    Rather than sarcastically and falsely imply you’re being censored, BuDuh, you could have reposted with fewer links per comment or emailed me to ask if I could release your comment, People do that all the time.

    I have released the comment.

    Patterico (3d96e4)

  61. My comment was up for a while before it was taken down.

    Your comment was never up until I released it, nor was it “taken down.” For whatever reason, people have told me in the past that comments in moderation (always? sometimes? I don’t know) appear to be visible after they have been posted — perhaps until the user refreshes the page.

    Patterico (3d96e4)

  62. Thanks, Patterico.

    That is exactly what happened. I had your site opened and then I opened it again in a new window. So I was seeing the comment in the 1st window as I went about my daily activities but I was commenting on a different window regarding Hurd. I didn’t notice. I must have closed both windows and started anew.

    I did not know about multiple links being a barrier.

    As for my conspiracy allegations regarding moderation, I apologize. Sometimes I type things thinking they are tongue in cheek and don’t really go back to see how the really come across. You have mentioned that to me before, and I promised to do better. I should have. I will email next time.

    Thanks again.

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  63. Here is the link to my comment this morning:

    https://patterico.com/2023/06/23/weekend-open-thread-181/#comment-2718483

    BuDuh (ef506d)

  64. I read the transcript and here’s what it looks to me like what might’ve happened if Shapley’s being accurate:

    The case is a case that should’ve gone through the civil process rather than the criminal process with the IRS and it should’ve gone through either DC and/or California. Instead it went through the criminal process and the US attorney in Delaware. Why did this happen? My opinion is that someone in the Trump administration didn’t really want just a tax evasion case, they wanted something more criminal and against President Biden, so they put the case into the criminal realm under a guy who could charge in Delaware and that this ended up screwing over the actual case against RHB.

    In addition, the statute of limitations was already almost up in the 2014 case and would shortly be up on the 2015 case. 2014 seems to be the year in which RHB probably owed the most back taxes. Really they should’ve had their case for those years ready to go before Biden was in office, since the statute of limitations for 2014 would’ve been up in April of 2021.

    I can’t say what was going on with the communications issues in the upper echelons of the case. Shapley seems to be saying that Weiss was totally on their side about the evidence, but Weiss was Wolf’s boss and Shapley seems to say that Wolf was the problem, however if that was the case, Weiss should’ve been able to overrule her and it was Weiss who was the Trump political appointee who worked for Barr and so it seems unlikely that he would’ve been in the tank for Biden, even though Biden did not fire him with the rest of the US attorneys (can you imagine what the headlines would’ve been if he had?).

    Shapley seems to be upset that the 2014 and 2015 cases weren’t extended and charged and under the impression that RHB’s lawyers would’ve signed an extension for that statute of limitations, but I can’t see why they would’ve. If they knew they were pretty much on the hook for 2016-2019 anyway (which seems likely to have been the case by late 2022, since that deal just got signed), why would they agree to let the bigger and more serious investigation into 2014 and 2015 continue?

    Shapley also seems to have perhaps been not exactly politic in his responses to things not going the direction he thinks they should and then surprised that people didn’t continue communicating with him. He clearly did not manage to get the message from the email the boss sent, which basically said “this is what is going on. I can’t be involved in what you want, you need to talk to these people instead.” And instead sent him back a defensive screed about the case.

    He seems to be a dedicated investigator, but not good at the kinds of assessments for charging and/or asset allocation that some of the other people involved had to make. They had a major investigative team of 12 expert investigators on this case for years with very few results. In addition, the prosecutors I know are not particularly impressed with the US Attorneys willingness to take risks or abilities to prosecute cases along the lines of couldn’t prosecute their way out of a wet paper bag but that’s OK because they find wet paper bags too challenging and wouldn’t go near them regardless.

    It seems to me that we the people would’ve gotten better results if they had done what they should’ve done in the beginning and put the case through the civil audit process because they would’ve had plenty of time to collect taxes on RHB’s income for 2014 and 2015 and the IRS team of crack experts could’ve worked the cases they were supposed to be working on and not on what was probably meant to be a political hit job that didn’t end up amounting to much.

    My end conclusion is that RHB was particularly unskilled at tax evasion and that the IRS needed their best investigative team using the very brightest of search lights to even get near him, which makes me think that maybe there is A LOT of money out there that rich people aren’t paying taxes on when they should and that the middle class is subsidizing them as much or more than we are the poor people.

    Nic (896fdf)

  65. It’s fog-of-war in Russia, or is fog of civil war?
    Either way, there’s some sh-t going down and it involves Prigozhin. If it’s real, now would be a opportune time for a lightning strike on Melitopol by the Ukrainians.

    Here’s the unofficial reaction from Zelenskyy.
    And here’s an update from ISW, and below are their key takeaways.

    • Wagner Group financier Yevgeny Prigozhin appears to have launched an armed rebellion on June 23 to force a leadership change within the Russian Ministry of Defense (MoD) which is unlikely to succeed.
    • Early reports following Prigozhin’s statements suggest that Russian internal security forces are activating in response to Prigozhin’s statements and possible Wagner moves, primarily in Moscow and Rostov, and the Kremlin appears opposed to Prigozhin’s actions.
    • Prigozhin set informational conditions for this effort earlier in the day by accusing the Russian MoD and unnamed oligarchs of deceiving Putin and the Russian public in order to launch the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine.
    • Prigozhin likely intends to truly conduct an armed rebellion against the Russian MoD, rather than expecting Kremlin support to compel MoD leadership changes or only escalating rhetorically.
    • It is therefore most likely that Prigozhin fully intends for Wagner to move against MoD leadership and forcibly remove them from power, more likely against the Southern Military District command in Rostov-on-Don but possibly also against Moscow.
    • An armed Wagner attack against the Russian military leadership in Rostov-on-Don would have significant impacts on Russia’s war effort in Ukraine.
    • Prigozhin’s apparent start of an armed rebellion is the culmination of his campaign to retain control over his military forces, and he likely views the rebellion as an existential survival effort.
    • Prigozhin’s likely intention was to gain the allegiance of senior Russian officers and military personnel, but he is unlikely to secure sufficient military support considering that Wagner-affiliated Army General Sergei Surovikin denounced Prigozhin’s call for armed rebellion.
    • Even if the Wagner Group can credibly threaten the MoD, Putin is incredibly unlikely to acquiesce to a successful effort by Prigozhin to topple the MoD.

    This is not a good sign for Putin, having trouble on his own turf by his own people while he’s undertaking an illegal invasion chock-filled with war crimes.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  66. BTW, here’s Prigozhin said earlier today in a rare moment of Russian candor, basically saying that Putin’s reasons for invading were a raft of lies.

    Prigozhin has flatly dismissed the denazification and demilitarization rationales cited by Vladimir Putin.
    He also says that the war had nothing to do with preventing a Donbas genocide or protecting ethnic Russians.

    Prigozhin attributes the war’s outbreak to 2 factors.
    The first is the personal ambitions of Sergei Shoigu.
    The second is oligarch interests, which sought to plunder Ukraine and leverage sanctions to plunder nationalized Russian companies.

    The masterplan was to put Viktor Medvedchuk in charge of Ukraine.
    Oligarchs were not content with plundering Donbas and now wanted to plunder the whole of Ukraine.
    Prigozhin dismisses denazification as a rationale by highlighting the Azov-Medvedchuk exchange.

    Prigozhin highlights the plunder of construction equipment and from factories in Kherson, Zaporizhzhia and Popasna in Luhansk as evidence.
    Prigozhin claims that this institutionalized kleptocracy predated the war with the FSB, Surkov and Kozak plundering assets from Donbas.

    While Prigozhin has previously blasted oligarchs for not sacrificing appropriately in the war and called out “fifth columns” as well as military strategy, this is perhaps the fiercest critique of the rationale for war by any major Russian figure.
    It absolves Putin though.

    So far, his absolving Putin is what kept Prigozhin from being a defenestration casualty, but I don’t think that applies anymore, because these events are embarrassing to the Russian dictator.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  67. whembly (d116f3) — 6/23/2023 @ 2:02 pm

    The NRO excerpt starts with “If confirmed…….”

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  68. Prigozhin could be trying to conquer Rostov, where the Russian Southern Command is located and a strategic chokepoint. I hate to cite a Trump Acquiescent like Rubio, but…

    Whoever controls Rostov will also control the primary resupply line for virtually the entire Russian force in Ukraine.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  69. Well, now, what powers does Congress have to redress usurpation by the President? One is clearly impeachment, and whaddayouknow, just that is being looked into. Also with Mayorkas. I think that this will result in more interest in such an impeachment, now that the courts have washed their hands of it.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/23/2023 @ 11:39 am

    LOL!

    The ruling in United States v. Texas is that States don’t have standing to sue over any Administration’s policy because they disagree with them, or to compel the Executive Branch to adopt their preferred solution. Each Administration in the past has prioritized immigration enforcement differently because Congress has not provided enough funding for immigration courts, detention facilities, or Border Patrol agents. It one of most bipartisan decisions in recent memory, as the vote was 8-1, with only Justice Alito dissenting.

    The policy at the center of the case, United States v. Texas, was outlined in a September 2021 memorandum by Secretary of Homeland Security Alejandro Mayorkas. The memorandum explains that because the Department of Homeland Security does not have the resources to apprehend and deport all of the more than 11 million noncitizens who could be subject to deportation, immigration officials should prioritize the apprehension and deportation of three specific groups of people: suspected terrorists; noncitizens who have committed crimes; and those caught recently at the border.
    …………
    In the end, the justices reached only the first question – whether Texas and Louisiana had standing to bring their lawsuit. In his 14-page opinion for the majority, Kavanaugh framed the dispute as an effort by the two states to obtain a court order that would require DHS to “alter its arrest policy so that the Department arrests more noncitizens.” But there is no history of courts “ordering the Executive Branch to change its arrest or prosecution policies so that the Executive Branch makes more arrests or initiates more prosecutions,” Kavanaugh wrote. To the contrary, Kavanaugh emphasized, the court in 1973 held that a plaintiff lacked standing to challenge a state’s policy of not prosecuting some violations of child-support laws.

    Moreover, Kavanaugh noted, the Constitution gives the executive branch broad discretion to enforce the laws. And in the immigration context, Kavanaugh observed, it has long been the case that the executive branch has not had sufficient resources to arrest or deport all of the noncitizens potentially covered by federal immigration laws. …….

    Source

    So if Texas or Louisiana want their immigration enforcement preferences, they should lobby Congress to pass them into law.

    And the next Republican administration will benefit from this decision, as it will protect them from Democratic state lawsuits attacking Republican policies.

    It’s been a bad week for Texas at the Supreme Court, it also lost a challenge to the Indian Child Welfare Act.

    By a vote of 7-2, the court ruled that Congress had the power to enact the law, and it rebuffed arguments that the law violates the 10th Amendment’s “anticommandeering” doctrine, which bars the federal government from requiring states to adopt or enforce federal law. The court declined to reach two other claims, including an argument that ICWA discriminates based on race, explaining that neither the individuals challenging the law nor the state of Texas have standing – that is, a legal right to bring the lawsuit in the first place.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  70. Rip Murdock (5be45a) — 6/23/2023 @ 7:46 pm

    Paxton should focus on his upcoming impeachment trial. Too bad his wife can’t vote for him.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  71. Paul,

    I’m following the reports with great interest. I don’t think any kind of mutiny will succeed but we’re certainly seeing a divided Russia (soldiers, at least). Anyway, @wartranslated reminds us: A lot of things are being thrown around here and there about things happening in Russia but I have so far not seen a single photo or video evidence of anything, only text and audio messages. We’ll see.

    Dana (560c99)

  72. But Donald Trump was still president at the time

    Doesn’t matter if the real decision-makers are partisans covered by Civil Service protections. And besides, Trump was pretty inept at the whole bureaucracy game.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  73. Can we talk about issues — ANY issues — instead of candidates, personalities, and resumes?

    This is what is meant by “consuming all the oxygen in the room”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  74. Trump was still president

    Stop saying that, Sammy. Technically it’s true, but Trump was OUT in December 2020 and NO ONE was going to investigate the President-Elect.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  75. @69:

    And particularly the Court refuses to interfere with a political question for the political branches. One of those political optionss, reserved to Congress, is removing people from power through impeachment. They don’t actually USE those words, but they expect people to see them.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  76. So if Texas or Louisiana want their immigration enforcement preferences, they should lobby Congress to pass them into law.

    Considering that Biden would veto, it’s actually easier to impeach and convict.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  77. Revolutions kick in a rotten door! Wagner group marches on moscow does putin do something rash like “NUKES???” Russian army full of conscripts and draftees. Not good news for putin. America went to all volunteer army after vietnam because of draftees, like drafted black soldiers sitting down on runway not going to kill their black brothers rioting in detroit. What will russian draftees do? They usually join the revolution! October revolution and the storming of the winter palace. Lates people/soldiers on streets of moscow using up sides. Russian state televison in full panic mode as anchors desperate. When it comes this is how it will come suddenly.

    asset (597aac)

  78. Too bad his wife can’t vote for him.

    But the rules make her a FORCED acquittal vote since an abstention is the same as a no vote in their stupid system.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  79. Considering that Biden would veto, it’s actually easier to impeach and convict.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/23/2023 @ 9:31 pm

    Impeach maybe, convict never.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  80. McCarthy doesn’t have the votes to impeach anyone.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  81. Impeach maybe, convict never.

    It is demonstrably easier to get 2/3rds in one house than 2/3rds in both.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  82. McCarthy doesn’t have the votes to impeach anyone.

    Yet.

    But it’s looking like, even if Trump goes away, the dials are all turned up to 17. It will take an independent to be elected president (or come close enough to scare the politicians) before they get down to actual business. I fear that MTG and AOC are the wave of the future. And/or our Doom.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  83. Paul,

    Interesting: “Special Rossiya air squadron flew over Moscow last night: Two presidential helicopters were spotted over the Simferopol highway, the Moscow Ring, and flying toward Putin’s residence in Novo-Ogarevo. (outside Moscow near Rublevka)”
    This might mean Putin has fled Moscow.“

    Dana (560c99)

  84. A lot of things are being thrown around here and there about things happening in Russia but I have so far not seen a single photo or video evidence of anything, only text and audio messages.

    There’s video of Prigozhin meeting peacefully with senior Russian military officials in Rostov. He took over Rostov with hardly a shot fired. There are several possibilities:

    (1) Prigozhin’s uprising had Putin’s tacit approval, and the dictator is letting Prigozhin take over the theater of operations. The argument against is that Prigozhin was just in an interview where he called Putin a liar, that he invaded on bullsh-t pretenses.
    (2) This is a true uprising, and Putin can’t do a damn thing about it.

    My hope is that Russians spend time and effort fighting each other and not Ukrainians.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  85. Here’s video of a Wagner convoy on its way to Voronezh, which is right up the M4 from Rostov, a highway that leads directly to Moscow.

    Apparently, Putin will address the nation about that little kerfuffle in Rostov, just some high-spirited kids, no big deal. Meantime, what about those cute dogs.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  86. If Putin is deposed by this, it’s gonna make a great movie.

    norcal (8b5267)

  87. My hope is that Russians spend time and effort fighting each other and not Ukrainians.

    My hope is that the Ukrainians catch them with their pants down.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  88. If Putin is deposed by this, it’s gonna make a great movie.

    What makes you think that things will be better?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  89. Here’s a good summation. The final paragraph is both key and a little jarring.

    Over the coming hours, the loyalty of Russia’s security forces, and especially the Russian National Guard, will be key to how the crisis plays out. This represents the most significant challenge to the Russian state in recent times.

    This seems kind of important.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  90. What makes you think that things will be better?

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/24/2023 @ 12:10 am

    I didn’t say I thought things would be better.

    norcal (8b5267)

  91. FWIW, I put up a new post on the coup attempt. It might make sense to take comments devoted to that topic to the new post.

    Patterico (01004a)

  92. Prigozhin crossed the Don? The borscht is cast.

    If Donald Trump had been commander of Wagner Group, this never would have happened. He would have made a beautiful deal with Shoigu to resolve the situation peacefully.

    nk (bb1548)

  93. Well, it’s a start:

    Four Chinese companies and eight of their employees have been indicted on charges they sold key chemicals used by Mexican cartels to manufacture fentanyl, federal authorities announced Friday, signaling increased law enforcement scrutiny of China’s role in the U.S. overdose crisis.

    The Justice Department billed the indictments as the first prosecutions targeting Chinese chemical companies over the sales of so-called precursor chemicals, which can be turned into fentanyl in clandestine Mexican labs, then smuggled into the United States to deadly effect.

    Possibly an overdue start — I don’t know what evidence was available earlier — but a welcome start, nonetheless.

    Do I think the ChiComs could do more to control the flow of “precursor chemicals”? Yes, probably, though I admit I have not seen a good description of what, if anything, they have been doing.

    The general problem of drug overdose deaths in the US has been growing rapidly:

    Overall, drug overdose deaths rose from 2019 to 2021 with more than 106,000 drug overdose deaths reported in 2021. Deaths involving synthetic opioids other than methadone (primarily fentanyl) continued to rise with 70,601 overdose deaths reported in 2021.

    Jim Miller (1aabf6)

  94. Abortion Politics Takes Center Stage at Evangelical Event, but Trump Remains the Focus

    In a speech (at the annual Faith and Freedom Coalition conference, a major two-day evangelical gathering, and) one year after the reversal of Roe v. Wade, former Vice President Mike Pence challenged the entire 2024 Republican presidential field to support a national abortion ban at 15 weeks, demanding that the party go further than its primary front-runner, former President Donald Trump, has so far been willing to go.
    ……….
    Trump was a focus of attention for candidates and attendees alike. Chris Christie, the former governor of New Jersey, was booed for rebuking the former president for his lack of leadership. Pence settled for drawing contrasts with Trump without naming him. And Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, Trump’s leading — yet still far behind — rival in the polls, gave a speech that was well received, in part because he referred to his disagreements with Trump only implicitly.

    “Everyone is running to bring Trump down, not to be the nominee,” said Veronica Steinkirchner, 75, who came to the conference from the Pittsburgh area and supports Trump. “If you look at the polls, they’re not going to catch him.”
    ………..
    Still, the Republican candidates present, including Pence and DeSantis, see abortion as providing an important political opening on Trump’s right flank and a chance to appeal to evangelical voters, who are an especially large voting bloc in two of the early-voting states, Iowa and South Carolina.

    “There is no path to the nomination that doesn’t run through the evangelical community,” Ralph Reed, who is the chair of the Faith and Freedom Coalition and a decadeslong fixture on the Christian right, said in an interview.
    …………
    Pence, who has sought to position himself as a leading opponent of abortion, pressed that point, declaring, “Every Republican candidate for president should support a ban on abortion before 15 weeks as a minimum nationwide standard.” He told the audience that “we must not rest and must not relent until we restore the sanctity of life to the center of American law in every state.”

    Trump has repeatedly avoided taking a clear stance on whether he would support a national abortion ban that would curb access to the procedure even in Democrat-controlled states.……….
    ………..
    “I challenge everybody wanting to be the standard-bearer for the Republican Party to be proudly pro-life,” (Senator Lindsey) Graham said. “You should want to talk about this. You need to talk about this.”
    …………
    ………… (I)t was a different story when candidates talked about Trump, including when Christie criticized him for blaming aides for his own shortcomings.

    “That is not leadership, everybody,” he said, “That is a failure of leadership.” The crowd hissed, with some shouting, “We love Trump!”

    “You can love him all you want, but I can tell you, doing that kind of thing makes our country smaller,” Christie retorted.
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  95. NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist National Poll 6/21/23

    ……….
    •63% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say it is more important that the 2024 Republican nominee stand on conservative principles rather than have the best chance to defeat President Joe Biden (35%) in the presidential contest.

    •76% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents have a favorable opinion of Trump, up from 68% in February. Ron DeSantis, Trump’s chief rival for the Republican nomination, receives a favorable rating of 67%, nearly identical to the score he received in February. Tim Scott (50%) is the only other Republican hopeful whose favorability rating hits 50%.

    •45% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents have a favorable opinion of Mike Pence, down from 51% a few months ago. Pence’s negatives are up (41% from 30% previously). Nikki Haley receives a favorable rating of 41%, unchanged from February. As Haley has become better known to the GOP, her negative rating, though, has nearly doubled (23% from 12%). Yet, Chris Christie has the highest negative score of the field. 50% have an unfavorable view of Christie, and 22% have a favorable view of him.

    •Asa Hutchinson, Vivek Ramaswamy, and Doug Burgum suffer from low name recognition. ………

    • 83% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents have a favorable impression of Biden, unchanged from February. Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. receives a favorable rating of 35%. 34% have an unfavorable view of him, and 31% have either never heard of or are unsure how to rate him. Fewer than one in five (18%) Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents has a favorable impression of Marianne Williamson. 23% have an unfavorable view of her, and 59% have either never heard of Williamson or are unsure how to rate her.
    ………..

    Poll top lines and demographics. Of course, no one has accused Trump of being a conservative.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  96. •63% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents say it is more important that the 2024 Republican nominee stand on conservative principles rather than have the best chance to defeat President Joe Biden (35%) in the presidential contest.

    And then they pick Donald Trump. What is “conservative” about careless handling of eyes-only documents? What is “conservative” about undermining American elections? What is “conservative” and supporting Kim Jong Un? What, for that matter, is “conservative” about racism, sexism and nativeism? That was a smear from the 1960s, made by people who actually were racists; there is no reason to dredge that up again.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  97. The general problem of drug overdose deaths in the US has been growing rapidly

    I expect a rush to sterner treatment of fentanyl dealing. The death penalty even for possession of an ounce or more. Trump will go there if no one else will.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  98. Monmouth University Poll 6/20/23

    ………..
    A majority (55%) of Americans are very concerned that their fundamental rights and freedoms are under threat – with Republicans (63%) being somewhat more likely than Democrats (53%) or independents (51%) to feel this way. Another 29% of the general public is somewhat concerned about threats to their rights and about 1 in 6 is either not too (11%) or not at all (5%) concerned.

    While both Republicans and Democrats express concern about risks to their freedoms, the specific types of rights they worry about losing are very different. Among Republicans, 38% say their freedom of speech or First Amendment rights are under threat and an identical 38% say the same about their Second Amendment right to bear arms. Other concerns Republicans mention include specific references to freedom of religion (12%) and concerns about government overreach and Fourth Amendment infringements such as illegal search and seizure (6%).

    Democrats, on the other hand are most concerned with restrictions to abortion access along with other women’s rights (36%). They also mention threats to freedom of speech (14%), voting access and the election process (12%), freedom from gun violence and other safety issues (8%), as well as LGBTQ+ rights (8%).
    ………….
    The poll finds that 3 in 10 Americans (30%) – including two-thirds (68%) of Republicans – believe that Joe Biden only won the presidency because of voter fraud. This result has been a nearly constant percentage in Monmouth’s polling since the November 2020 election. About two-thirds (66%) of the public says the incident at the U.S. Capitol on January 6, 2021 is appropriately described as a riot while 35% say it can be called a legitimate protest. Americans are more divided on whether it is (47%) or is not (43%) appropriately described as an insurrection.

    Democrats and independents have been fairly consistent in their description of these events over the past two years. Republicans, on the other hand, have become less likely to cast the Capitol attack in negative terms. Just 44% of Republicans call it a riot, which is down from 62% in June 2021, and only 15% say it is appropriately described as an insurrection, which is down from 33% two years ago. Just over half of Republicans (51%) describe January 6 as a legitimate protest, which is similar to two years ago (47%).
    …………
    Just 42% of Americans feel our system of government is basically sound. This result is down from 50% in September……… 29% of Americans say that the system is not at all sound and needs significant changes. Republicans (38%) are more likely than independents (28%) and Democrats (21%) to feel this way.

    Just 16% of the public says that Americans are united and in agreement about the most important values while 81% feel we are greatly divided. This marks a numerical high for the view that the country is divided since Monmouth started asking this question in 2016.……… Just 11% of the public has a great deal of trust and confidence in the American people as a whole when it comes to making judgments under our democratic system and 44% have a fair amount of trust and confidence. ……….
    …………

    Paragraph breaks added. Poll questions and cross tabs.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  99. I expect a rush to sterner treatment of fentanyl dealing. The death penalty even for possession of an ounce or more. Trump will go there if no one else will.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/24/2023 @ 11:41 am

    Trump already has; unfortunately his proposal would have required the execution of someone he pardoned.

    His proposal would only apply to federal drug crimes, but most drug cases are prosecuted in state courts.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  100. “I expect a rush to sterner treatment of fentanyl dealing. The death penalty even for possession of an ounce or more. Trump will go there if no one else will.”

    Surely this time we will win the drug war.

    Davethulhu (f37fbd)

  101. Trump All In:

    Former President Donald Trump appeared Thursday at a fundraiser for supporters charged in connection with the Jan. 6, 2021, riot at the United States Capitol.

    The event was hosted at Trump’s private golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey, in an effort to raise money for the rioters charged with a variety of crimes for their participation in the riot. ……..

    “You have police officers, you have firemen, you have teachers, you have electricians, you have great people, and they’ve been made to pay a price — in many cases, not all cases,” Trump said of the rioters. The former president, who is currently running to be the 2024 Republican nominee, went on to lament voting procedures in various states that make it “easy to cheat.”

    “I’m going to make a contribution,” Trump announced to a room of applause. It is unclear how much the event raised Thursday.
    …………

    Make certain Trump’s contribution is in cash. His check might bounce.

    Rip Murdock (7d8253)

  102. Quoting Hitler To Make A Point Is Never A Good Idea:

    ………
    The Hamilton County (Indiana) chapter of Moms for Liberty quoted Hitler’s remarks at a 1935 rally on the front page of its new newsletter on Wednesday. The quote, placed directly below the masthead, read: “He alone, who OWNS the youth, GAINS the future.”

    After the Indianapolis Star first reported this story on Wednesday, the local chapter of Moms for Liberty added additional “context” to the original newsletter, saying the quote from this “horrific leader should put parents on alert.”

    “If the government has control over our children today, they control our country’s future,” the note read.

    A day later, Paige Miller, the chapter’s leader, apologized for quoting the Nazi leader in a statement posted to the Moms for Liberty Facebook group.

    “We condemn Adolf Hitler’s actions and his dark place in human history,” Miller wrote. “We should not have quoted him in our newsletter and express our deepest apology.”
    ………..
    A bipartisan chorus of local politicians condemned the group’s quoting of Hitler, who led the systematic genocide of at least 6 million Jewish people, along with other groups.
    ………..
    “I don’t think that we as a society can say enough about the atrocities that the poor Jewish people had to go through,” (Mario Massillamany, the chairman of the Hamilton County Republican Party) said.
    ………….

    RFK, Jr. will be a guest speaker at Moms for Liberty’s annual meeting, along with most the Republican candidates.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  103. Speaking of Nazis, here is a video that the tweeter claims:

    – Pro-America Patriot rally ongoing
    – Feds show up dressed as “Nazis”
    – Patriots force Feds out of rally
    – Unmask the Feds, who PANIC
    – The “Nazis” cry, tremble in fear
    – Cops rush to save Feds

    I have no idea how he makes the leap to “Feds.” What I did notice is that the cops step in to protect the Nazis.

    Hopefully RFKjr and other republican candidates stay away from cops because of guilt-by-association.

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  104. Minus “other.” RFK is not a Republican.

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  105. Surely this time we will win the drug war.

    Give up on some, fine. But fentanyl? Allow the sale of everything, up through, oh, powder cocaine, and then get nasty with anyone selling something else. The market will respond.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  106. The event was hosted at Trump’s private golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey

    I wonder what portion of the donations went to pay the venue fees.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  107. I was going to comment on this earlier, but the Putin-Prigozhin Unpleasantness got in the way.

    The US justice department has filed criminal charges against four Chinese chemical manufacturing companies and eight individuals over allegations they illegally trafficked the chemicals used to make fentanyl, a highly addictive painkiller that has fueled the opioid crisis in the United States.

    It is the first time the United States has charged Chinese companies for trafficking fentanyl precursor chemicals inside the United States, rather than shipping them to Mexico, the origin of most of the fentanyl found in the country.

    “These companies and their employees knowingly conspired to manufacture deadly fentanyl for distribution in the United States,” the attorney general, Merrick Garland, announced on Friday.

    “Just one of these China-based chemical companies shipped more than 200 kilograms of fentanyl-related precursor chemicals to the US for the purpose of making 50 kilograms of fentanyl, a quantity that could contain enough deadly doses of fentanyl to kill 25 million Americans,” said Garland.

    “25 million” sounds like a massive exaggeration, but it’s serious business that ChiCom firms and individuals are involved in this, and it would be surprising if an authoritarian like Xi wasn’t aware of the situation. The state visit by Modi is a good sign that the US should divest from China and send business to India and other Asian nations that are Not China.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  108. Could a new currency be set to challenge the dominance of the dollar? Perhaps, but that may not be the point.

    In August 2023, South Africa will host the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa – a group of nations known by the acronym BRICS. Among the items on the agenda is the creation of a new joint BRICS currency.

    https://fortune.com/2023/06/25/dollar-reserve-currency-brics-brazil-russia-india-china-south-africa/amp/

    Bedfellows.

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  109. BuDuh:

    How to lose control of your economy and currency in one easy lesson. And why would China want to tie themselves to Russia’s adventures. I think they would prefer Siberia to the Ruble.

    Talk to Italy and Greece on how well losing their currency has worked out for them.

    Appalled (adc92c)

  110. “what is the purpose of schools telling little kids that they can change their sex if they want?”

    And what does it even mean? It seems like hyper-gender dysphoria is the new attention card (yes there are genuine sufferers, no I don’t buy that it’s as many as claimed). I get that schools are de facto parents in many cases and have to manage the bullying, depression, and anxiety that seems to be overwhelming too many kids, but I’m not sure school teachers and counselors understand the path they may be nudging…especially if we are talking drugs and eventually surgery.

    AJ_Liberty (2020f2)

  111. “South Africa will host the leaders of Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa”

    I’m surprised India sees a future with that crowd

    AJ_Liberty (2020f2)

  112. Or, for that matter, Brazil.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  113. ……..RFK is not a Republican.

    BuDuh (9c9dfd) — 6/25/2023 @ 8:45 am

    As I’ve said before, Trump and RFK, Jr. should be running mates. It would be a bipartisan and they share much in common as they are both conspiracy theorists and wannabe authoritarians.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  114. I’m not sure school teachers and counselors understand the path they may be nudging

    There’s a lot of propaganda that says puberty blockers and hormones are “reversible”, as if puberty was like switch you could choose not to throw.

    Puberty is instigated by a flood of hormones, released on schedule by the body. Blocking their effect with drugs does not mean it will happen again later. Because it won’t, and even if you later try to recreate puberty with (more) drugs, much of the body has moved on.

    I suggest the following challenge: States accept full liability in these cases, waiving their sovereign immunity. I bet they won’t.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  115. 112-

    India and Brazil are using that grouping to counterbalance US influence.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  116. NBC News National Poll 6/25/23

    Former President Donald Trump has expanded his lead over Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis and the rest of the Republican presidential field since Trump’s latest indictment on federal criminal charges, according to a new national NBC News poll.

    Still, the survey finds half of Republican primary voters say they would consider another leader besides Trump — which suggests a potential opening for a rival to capture the GOP nomination, even as 6 out of 10 Republicans believe the indictments and investigations Trump faces are politically motivated.
    ………..
    Fifty-one percent of national Republican primary voters pick the former president as their first choice in the race for the 2024 GOP presidential nomination, followed by 22% who choose DeSantis, 7% who select former Vice President Mike Pence and 5% who want former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie.

    No other Republican candidate gets more than 4% support.
    ………..
    When the GOP presidential race gets reduced to just two candidates in the current survey, Trump gets support from 60% of Republican primary voters, while DeSantis gets 36%.

    A combined 77% of GOP primary voters say the federal charges against Trump in the classified document case give them either minor concerns (14%) or no real concerns at all (63%).
    ………..
    And 64% of Republican primary voters believe that the multiple indictments and investigations Trump faces are politically motivated, and they say they must support him to stop his opponents from winning……..
    ………..
    Biden gets support from 49% of registered voters, while Trump gets 45%. Biden’s 4-point lead is within the poll’s margin of error.

    In this hypothetical rematch, Biden enjoys advantages among women (55%-38%), voters 18-34 (65%-30%), Latinos (66%-26%) and Black voters (73%-20%), as well as independents (47%-33%) and those who “somewhat” disapprove of Biden’s job as president (50%-39%).

    Trump, meanwhile, has the edge among white voters (51%-43%), men (51%-42%), whites without college degrees (60%-35%) and rural voters (68%-26%).

    When the hypothetical contest is between Biden and DeSantis, the two men are tied at 47% each.
    …………
    Still, majorities of all registered voters have concerns about both Biden and Trump, according to the poll.
    …………
    A combined 44% of registered voters say they’d “definitely” or “probably” consider voting for a third-party or independent candidate for president — if the other candidates include Biden and Trump.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  117. It’s Not Too Late for the Republican Party
    …………
    The former president’s behavior may have invited charges, but the Republicans’ spineless support for the past two years convinced Mr. Trump of his political immortality, giving him the assurance that he could purloin some of the nation’s most sensitive national security secrets upon leaving the White House — and preposterously insist that they were his to do with as he wished — all without facing political consequences. Indeed, their fawning support since the Jan. 6 insurrection at the Capitol has given Mr. Trump every reason to believe that he can ride these charges and any others not just to the Republican nomination, but also to the White House in 2024.

    In a word, the Republicans are as responsible as Mr. Trump for this month’s indictment — and will be as responsible for any indictment and prosecution of him for Jan. 6. One would think that, for a party that has prided itself for caring about the Constitution and the rule of law, this would stir some measure of self-reflection among party officials and even voters about their abiding support for the former president. Surely before barreling headlong into the 2024 presidential election season, more Republicans would realize it is time to come to the reckoning with Mr. Trump that they have vainly hoped and naïvely believed would never be necessary.

    But by all appearances, it certainly hasn’t occurred to them yet that any reckoning is needed. ……. Building the Republican campaign around the newly indicted front-runner is a colossal political miscalculation, as comedic as it is tragic for the country. No assemblage of politicians except the Republicans would ever conceive of running for the American presidency by running against the Constitution and the rule of law. But that’s exactly what they’re planning.

    The stewards of the Republican Party have become so inured to their putative leader, they have managed to convince themselves that an indicted and perhaps even convicted Donald Trump is their party’s best hope for the future. ……..
    ………..
    If the indictment of Mr. Trump on Espionage Act charges — not to mention his now almost certain indictment for conspiring to obstruct Congress from certifying Mr. Biden as the president on Jan. 6 — fails to shake the Republican Party from its moribund political senses, then it is beyond saving itself. Nor ought it be saved.
    ………..
    There is no path to the White House for Republicans with Mr. Trump. …….

    When Republicans faced an 11th-hour reckoning with another of their presidents over far less serious offenses almost 50 years ago, the elder statesmen of the party marched into the Oval Office and told Richard Nixon the truth. He had lost his Republican support and he would be impeached if he did not resign. The beleaguered Nixon resigned the next day and left the White House the day following.

    Republicans have waited in vain for political absolution. It’s finally time for them to put the country before their party and pull back from the brink — for the good of the party, as well as the nation.

    If not now, then they must forever hold their peace.
    ########

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  118. Sigh. Less than half of one percent of our student body have told an adult at our school that they might be trans (I sit on our at-rsik and mental health team, it’s the kind of info that teachers bring us). Over my entire career I am only aware of one student who took puberty blockers.

    Nic (896fdf)

  119. Schools do not have sovereign immunity. They are deemed to be in loco parentis and the standard of care is wanton and willful.

    nk (359027)

  120. ‘A Righteous Crusade’:

    ……….
    “For seven years, you and I have been fighting side-by-side to rescue our country from evil and from the sinister forces who hate it,” Trump said during the Faith & Freedom Coalition’s Road to the Majority Police Conference. “I believe they hate it, and I believe they actually want to destroy it.”

    “Together, we’re warriors in a righteous crusade to stop the arsonists, the atheists, globalists and the Marxists — and that’s what they are — and we will restore our Republic as one nation under God with liberty and justice for all” he added.
    ………….
    In his speech, he incorrectly claimed that a president “has the absolute right to take them, he has the absolute right to keep them or he can give them back to [National Archives and Records Administration] if he wants and talks to them like we were doing and he can do that if he wants.”

    But the former president also used the indictment to rally his base, at one point saying, “Every time the radical left Democrats, Marxists, communists and fascists indict me, I consider it a great badge of courage” that gave way to cheers.

    When Trump later noted that his indictments and the fact that his poll numbers had increased, the audience offered loud cheers again.
    ………..
    ……….. Trump suggested “there of course remains a vital role for the federal government in protecting unborn life,” he offered little insight into a possible framework on a national abortion ban. Former Vice President yesterday had urged every 2024 GOP candidate to agree to a national limit of around 15 weeks.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  121. Did Hunter Biden Get a Sweetheart Deal? Prosecutors Weigh In
    ………….
    The Wall Street Journal reviewed more than a hundred federal court dockets and interviewed almost a dozen former federal prosecutors to see whether the deal struck with Hunter Biden was different than it would have been for anyone else.
    …………
    “When people are prosecuted for possessing a gun while using drugs it is usually because authorities believed they posed a danger,” said Rod Rosenstein, former deputy attorney general under Trump who also focused on violent crime cases when he was U.S. attorney in Maryland.

    In many cases, prosecutors added the charge to a litany of other drug-trafficking or possession charges filed against defendants. They also at times used the charge in conjunction with the separate crime of lying on the form required to pass a federal background check to obtain a firearm. Some former prosecutors said Biden could also have faced that charge, but it is also rarely brought in federal court on its own.
    …………
    Though Hunter Biden hasn’t been described as a threat to others nor did he have any prior criminal history, prosecutors have a significant amount of discretion to pursue charges as they see fit.

    Some former prosecutors said the high-profile nature of the Biden case combined with his well-documented crack addiction, which he chronicled in detail in his memoir “Beautiful Things” necessitated pursuing a case against him. ……..
    ………….
    Most tax cases involve felony charges, such as tax evasion or fraud. Hunter Biden intends to plead guilty to misdemeanor offenses. But it is not unusual for the Justice Department to pursue misdemeanor charges in cases where the defendant has just failed to file or pay taxes over multiple years and owed significant sums.

    To bring more serious felony charges against Hunter Biden, as some critics say the Justice Department should have considered, federal prosecutors would have required compelling evidence that showed the younger Biden took deliberate steps to evade taxes or fraudulently lower his tax bill beyond failing to pay. ………..

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  122. Rip Murdock (5be45a) — 6/25/2023 @ 11:38 am

    Biden took deliberate steps to evade taxes or fraudulently lower his tax bill beyond failing to pay. ………..

    For 2 years, tax years 2014 and 2015, he simply did not report some income and (maybe later) said it was a loan.

    For the next three years, 2026, 2017 and 2018, he didn’t file a tax return, maybe because he had blown all the money.

    Sammy Finkelman (d48c4e)

  123. Nic (896fdf) — 6/25/2023 @ 10:56 am

    Less than half of one percent of our student body have told an adult at our school that they might be trans (I sit on our at-rsik and mental health team, it’s the kind of info that teachers bring us).

    It could be that people do not realize that it is a small minority. But 1 out of 200 is still a lot.

    Over my entire career I am only aware of one student who took puberty blockers.

    Aren’t they the same drugs that used to be given to stifle male homosexuality by people convicted of it?

    Sammy Finkelman (6054db)

  124. @Sammy@124 I think that people who don’t work with kids think it’s an epidemic, because that’s what it’s being treated as, especially by religious conservatives, but also by some Democrats trying to make points.

    IDK about any history of giving puberty blockers to gay people, it would’ve been before my time. It is what some countries have surreptitiously given their female gymnasts so they don’t grow hips and breasts that might make tumbling more difficult.

    Nic (896fdf)

  125. Murdock (5be45a) — 6/25/2023 @ 11:38 am

    Biden took deliberate steps to evade taxes or fraudulently lower his tax bill beyond failing to pay. ………..

    Sammy Finkelman (d48c4e) — 6/25/2023 @ 1:19 pm

    Note that you misquoted what the WSJ said. The full quote is:

    To bring more serious felony charges against Hunter Biden, as some critics say the Justice Department should have considered, federal prosecutors would have required compelling evidence that showed the younger Biden took deliberate steps to evade taxes or fraudulently lower his tax bill beyond failing to pay. ………..

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  126. “Planted by scoundrels”: Trump melts down on Truth Social after DOJ reveals evidence against him

    Former President Donald Trump erupted on social media early Thursday after special counsel Jack Smith began turning over evidence Wednesday from his investigation into Trump’s handling of classified documents and alleged attempts to obstruct government retrieval efforts.

    A Wednesday court filing signals that investigators obtained several recordings from “interviews” of Trump “conducted by non-government entities” — not just the previously reported audio of Trump during an interview for former chief of staff Mark Meadows’ memoir.
    ………..
    “The Radical Left Investigations of me now, Federal, State, and City, are a SCAM and continuation, tightly coordinated with each jurisdiction and run by the now fully exposed as being corrupt and shameless, DOJ & FBI,” he wrote in the first post. “The Boxes Hoax, where I come under the NON CRIMINAL Presidential Records Act and have done NOTHING WRONG, has exposed Biden, who is not protected by the PRA because he was not President. He has literally thousands of Boxes, numerous in Chinatown, & containing really bad ‘STUFF!'”
    ………..
    Legal experts, however, clarified for Salon last week that Trump is not facing charges for violating the PRA but rather the Espionage Act, which instead pertains to national defense records from agencies like the CIA that the indictment accuses him of willfully retaining.
    ………..
    “Congress will hopefully now look at the ever continuing Witch Hunts and ELECTION INTERFERENCE against me on perfectly legal Boxes, where I have no doubt that information is being secretly ‘planted’ by the scoundrels in charge, the Perfect Phone Calls (Atlanta), the illegal DOJ/Pomerantz/Manhattan D.A. Hoax, where virtually EVERYONE agrees THERE IS NO CASE, and the NYSAG SCAM, where I have proven beyond a doubt that there is no case, but have a hostile Judge who should not be on this case!” Trump continued.

    “CONGRESS, PLEASE INVESTIGATE THE POLITICAL WITCH HUNTS AGAINST ME CURRENTLY BEING BROUGHT BY THE CORRUPT DOJ AND FBI, WHO ARE TOTALLY OUT OF CONTROL,” the Republican frontrunner concluded. “THIS CONTINUING SAGA IS RETRIBUTION AGAINST ME FOR WINNING AND, EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY TO THEM, ELECTION INTERFERENCE REGARDING THE 2024 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION. IT WILL BE THERE UPDATED FORM OF RIGGING OUR MOST IMPORTANT ELECTION. LOOK AT THE POLLS – THEY CAN’T BEAT ME (MAGA!) AT THE BALLOT BOX, THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN WIN IS TO CHEAT. STOP THEM NOW!”
    …………

    Sad!

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  127. Legal experts, however, clarified for Salon last week that Trump is not facing charges for violating the PRA but rather the Espionage Act

    This wasn’t obvious to Salon?

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  128. This wasn’t obvious to Salon?

    BuDuh (9c9dfd) — 6/25/2023 @ 3:53 pm

    I’m sure that was written for their readers; for at least one person it hasn’t been obvious.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  129. for at least one person it hasn’t been obvious.

    Who thinks Trump is being charged </em for a violation of the PRA?

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  130. Or do you meant that Salon has one reader? 😃

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  131. Who thinks Trump is being charged </em for a violation of the PRA?

    BuDuh (9c9dfd) — 6/25/2023 @ 4:12 pm

    Trump, as quoted below, believes he was allowed to retain the classified documents under the PRA.

    “The Boxes Hoax, where I come under the NON CRIMINAL Presidential Records Act and have done NOTHING WRONG, has exposed Biden, who is not protected by the PRA because he was not President. He has literally thousands of Boxes, numerous in Chinatown, & containing really bad ‘STUFF!’”

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  132. Trump, as quoted below, believes he was allowed to retain the classified documents under the PRA.

    Making my point.

    If he said he was erroneously charged by a provision of the PRA, it would make your point.(or at least the point that Salon’s lawyers had to resolve for nothing more than a gratuitous comment.

    BuDuh (9c9dfd)

  133. 126. I wasn’t agreeing with and amplifying the quote, I was saying there could be such evidence – failure to file.

    Sammy Finkelman (6054db)

  134. Christie: Trump Doesn’t Have the ‘Character’ to Be President, His Claims Are ‘Absurd’
    ………,
    (On ABC’s This Week, Chris Christie said), “I’ve been in the race for less than three weeks and already in third place in New Hampshire, only four points behind Ron DeSantis, who has been in the race for a longer time and is supposed to be the co-front-runner. Look, people understand that folks need to take responsibility for what they do. And my message to the folks at Faith and Freedom (Conference)………. they need to hear the truth, too. Character is the single most important element of a president of the United States because you can’t know every issue that’s going to come across the president’s desk. It’s not a litmus test with checkboxes in them. What you need to know is what is the character of that person.”

    He added, “Frankly when I listened to Donald Trump’s speech last night, he had the audacity to say that he got indicted for us. ………It’s absurd.

    The same way he has absurdly claimed in the last week, he still won the 2020 election, and he said that’s how he’s going to persuade suburban female voters to vote for him in 2024 that didn’t vote for him in ’20. ………… It’s not about whether you think Donald Trump has been treated fairly or not by the media or by elements of the Justice Department. It is about whether he is a man of character who can lead this party to victory, and I don’t believe he can.”

    TrumpWorld not amused:

    ……….. Christie has no chance of being elected. He is part of the kill Trump with 1000 knife cuts strategy. He, Asa Hutchison, and others running against Trump are assigned the role of making a statement every few days……….. Amazing that a crowd of people of faith is a Trump crowd to Christie…….. Somebody tell Chris, that Trump was already President. …….. There are plenty of “characters” in government. We need a lot less of them. ………. Trump was the first true outsider who took the reigns and demonstrated without question that those of you who have made government your careers are essentially wannabe emperors who have no clothes. ……….. Trump soared in GOP polls after indictment……….. If you don’t have the self control to limit what goes into your pie hole and respect your own body, you don’t have the self control to run a nation. Gluttony and sloth are both deadly sins. It’s not some arbitrary idea. They are the basis of many other problems. ………. Trump doesn’t even need to debate – he’s a proven entity. And his second term will be a barn-burner, I suspect. ………. There’s nothing about character in the Constitution. ……….

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  135. Sammy Finkelman (6054db) — 6/25/2023 @ 4:43 pm

    Still a misquote of what was said.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  136. Sammy Finkelman (6054db) — 6/25/2023 @ 4:43 pm

    Your truncating the quote changed its original meaning. Uncool.

    Rip Murdock (5be45a)

  137. Over my entire career I am only aware of one student who took puberty blockers.

    Then why does the idea of banning them — since they are hardly ever used — cause you such angst? It’s like the “pro-choice” position that 1) no one ever gets a late-term elective abortion, and 2) they will die on that hill anyway.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  138. said Rod Rosenstein, former deputy attorney general [secure in his position despite serving] under Trump.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  139. Justice Dept. asks for Trump trial to begin in December
    ………..
    Federal prosecutors said in its Friday court filing that they have asked to delay Cannon’s proposed timetable by about four months — with jury selection beginning Dec. 11 — because Trump’s lawyers will need up to two months to obtain the security clearance required to view some of the classified documents. ……….
    …………
    In its Friday court filings, the government formally declared to Cannon that the case involves classified documents and requested a pretrial CIPA conference — a necessary step to begin the CIPA proceedings.

    “The case does involve classified information and will necessitate defense counsel obtaining the requisite security clearances,” the filing reads. “As the Court is aware, that process is already underway.”

    The filing, which was signed by Smith, also noted that starting the trial before the end of the year is reasonable because the case “is not so unusual or complex.”

    “It has only two defendants, involves straightforward theories of liability, and does not present novel questions of fact or law,” the filing states.
    …………..
    The government said Friday that it has submitted a list of 84 witnesses that Trump should not speak to about the case as it proceeds. The names of those witnesses are under seal, and the government says that list is not the exhaustive list of witnesses it might call at trial.

    Smith and his team said they already started producing nonclassified evidence earlier this week for Trump’s attorneys to view as part of the discovery process.

    Those nonclassified materials include, according to the court filing, “documents obtained via subpoena, evidence obtained via warrants, transcripts of grand jury testimony, memorialization of witness interviews, a reproduction of key documents that in the government’s view are pertinent to the case, and copies of closed-circuit television footage the government has obtained during its investigation.”

    Assuming Trump’s lawyers have obtained the necessary security clearance, the government said it could give them the initial batch of classified materials to review by July 10.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  140. @119: Nic,

    If you are ever in a contract discussion and someone says “Oh, don’t worry, we never use that” about some section you object to, you need to stand up and walk out.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  141. Assuming Trump’s lawyers have obtained the necessary security clearance, the government said it could give them the initial batch of classified materials to review by July 10.

    And if not, Trump needs to get different lawyers who already have clearances. The judge should tell him that intentional delays will end up with his bail revoked. A week with no ketchup for his bologna sandwiches and Trump will be demanding an immediate trial.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  142. Trump Civil Litigation Watch:

    Former President Donald Trump will post a more than $5.5 million cash deposit (equal to 111% of the judgment) as he appeals a verdict in favor of E. Jean Carroll for sexual abuse and defamation.
    ……….
    Former federal prosecutor Mitchell Epner said that the posting of a bond like this is “standard operating procedure” during such an appeal.

    “The bond allows the defendant to stay execution of the judgment during the pendency of the appeal,” said Epner, who is now a partner at the firm Rottenberg Lipman Rich PC. “The money is put up in a form where the plaintiff is guaranteed to collect if she wins the appeal. Absent Trump posting a bond or depositing the full judgment (plus interest) to the court, Carroll could collect her judgment 30 days from when it was entered. If she collected and Trump won on appeal, he would have to chase her for the money.”

    Epner found it unusual, however, that a wealthy civil litigant like Trump would seek a cash deposit rather than a traditional bond.

    “In my 25+ years as an attorney, I’ve never seen an appellant who had the money that couldn’t get a supersedeas bond,” he told Law&Crime.
    ………..
    Other possible liabilities for Trump remain, whatever the outcome of the appeal. Carroll has a pending defamation case about comments that Trump made as president that she was not his “type.” ……….

    A trial in that remaining case is slated for Jan. 15, 2024, unless it resolves or is dismissed before that time.
    #########

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  143. And if not, Trump needs to get different lawyers who already have clearances.

    I’m sure he’s tried.

    The judge should tell him that intentional delays will end up with his bail revoked.

    Trump was released on his own recognizance.

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  144. A week with no ketchup for his bologna sandwiches and Trump will be demanding an immediate trial.

    I’m sure such coercion to give up constitutional rights is illegal.

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  145. @Kevin@138- I’ve repeatedly said that I think the issue is overblown. And I’ve said repeatedly that I don’t think medical intervention is the best idea for kids who are the age I work with. OTOH, I am also not a psychiatrist and there may be very rare situations where medical intervention is appropriate so it seems like leaving it as a possible treatment option if necessary seems like the wiser choice. I don’t think that qualifies as “angst”.

    (you’ll notice I didn’t say that it was never used, just that it was very very rare.)

    Nic (896fdf)

  146. Grifters Gonna Grift

    Facing multiple intensifying investigations, former President Donald J. Trump has quietly begun diverting more of the money he is raising away from his 2024 presidential campaign and into a political action committee that he has used to pay his personal legal fees.
    …………
    When Mr. Trump kicked off his 2024 campaign in November, for every dollar raised online, 99 cents went to his campaign, and a penny went to Save America.

    But internet archival records show that sometime in February or March, he adjusted that split. Now his campaign’s share has been reduced to 90 percent of donations, and 10 percent goes to Save America.

    The effect of that change is potentially substantial: Based on fund-raising figures announced by his campaign, the fine-print maneuver may already have diverted at least $1.5 million to Save America.

    And the existence of the group has allowed Mr. Trump to have his small donors pay for his legal expenses, rather than paying for them himself.
    ………….
    The different rules governing what political action committees and candidate campaign committees can pay for are both dizzying and somewhat in dispute. But generally, a PAC cannot spend money directly on the candidate’s campaign, and a campaign committee cannot directly pay for things that benefit the candidate personally.

    For more than a year, before Mr. Trump was a 2024 candidate, Save America has been paying for bills related to various investigations into the former president and his allies. In February 2022, the PAC announced that it had $122 million in its coffers.

    By the beginning of 2023, the PAC’s cash on hand was down to $18 million, filings show. The rest had been spent on staff salaries, on the costs of Mr. Trump’s political activities last year — including some spending on other candidates and groups — and in other ways. That included the $60 million that was transferred to MAGA Inc., a super PAC that is supporting Mr. Trump. And more than $16 million went to pay legal bills.

    Mr. Trump’s rivals are not similarly splitting their online proceeds with an affiliated PAC. ……..
    …………
    In the run-up to Mr. Trump’s latest campaign, his legal bills exploded in size. Save America spent $1.9 million in what it identified as legal expenses in the first half of 2022. That figure ballooned to nearly $14.6 million in the second half of last year, federal records show.
    …………
    And Mr. Trump’s usual legal strategy — delay, delay, delay — could prove costly as overlapping teams of white-collar lawyers defend him in the federal case and the Manhattan criminal case, as well as in the investigation in Georgia………

    “He can use the campaign to pay for legal bills that arise out of candidate or officeholder activity — and of course, some of the current legal matters fall into that category, and some do not, and some are in a gray area,” (said Adav Noti, senior vice president and legal director of Campaign Legal Center.) “It really depends on what matter we’re talking about.”

    Jason Torchinsky, a Republican election lawyer, said he believed Mr. Trump was barred from using Save America donations to pay his personal legal expenses now that he’s a candidate, arguing that doing so would be “an excessive contribution” under Federal Election Commission precedent. And he said Mr. Trump could not use campaign money at all, because it would qualify as personal use.
    …………

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  147. @Kevin@138- I’ve repeatedly said that I think the issue is overblown.

    I don’t think so. I think you are either minimizing it or (more likely) just don’t see it from the outside. The idea of teaching 8 year-olds about sexual preference, gender identity, and suggesting that sex changes are just part of the way things are done is abhorrent to many people (and most everyone over, oh, 40).

    These are innocent kids who do not have any referent; no way to tell fact from propaganda. They are new to the world and still think that adults — and especially teachers — have all the answers. They don’t know that this entire range of topics is far from accepted, but they are being told that it is, as a matter of fact.

    This is why everyone is upset. This is why they react VERY poorly to those who call this “Don’t say gay” which not only misstates the entire problem, it denigrates their opposition as a pack of yahoo idiots.

    It the kind of things that gets you more Trump. I don’t want that, do you?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  148. I wonder though if kids tell you what they really thing about all this. You’re an adult, and they have long since learned to not say certain things to adults unless you want a strident and/or petty response. By the time they get to college, they’ll know how to keep their head down.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  149. Shorter: Things that CAN be used WILL be used. I’m not comfortable relying on good sense here.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  150. I’m sure such coercion to give up constitutional rights is illegal.

    They do it to poor people all the time.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  151. As far as how many children have been treated for gender dysphoria, it’s not zero.

    In 2017, there were 15,000 cases
    In 2021, there were almost 3 times as many.

    The curve everywhere is up. This didn’t just happen, it’s been normalized.

    But wait. What about puberty blockers or surgical intervention? Again…

    2017: 633 puberty blockers initiated
    2021: 1390 puberty blockers initiated, over twice as many

    Hormone therapy:

    2017: 1900
    2021: 4200

    There were 750 “top surgeries” 2019 through 2021.

    This may seem like “very very rare” but it is an order of magnitude more than kids shot at school. Imagine if I tried to minimize that and said that school shootings “weren’t a meaningful issue.”

    —–

    BTW, Nic, this isn’t really about what you believe of support, but what the issue is to others.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  152. @Kevin@148/152 I can’t help what other people think is happening other than to share the information and experience that I have and say that the CDE health curriculum framework doesn’t say what this or that click-baiter says it does and that the actual picture in actual schools is different than he says it is. That’s it, that’s all I can do. And people like you can decide if I’m being honest or dishonest about it, but I can’t control that either.

    As far as whether or not kids tell me what they really think, some do and some don’t. I try to keep an open line of communication with them regardless of whether or not I share their belief system and I try to help other staff members understand that it’s important to do the same, especially if it’s an issue they themselves are sensitive about. (I am apparently the go-to adult to talk to about their confirmation classes, I have no idea how that happened. Yes, I’m Catholic, but I don’t tell the kids that unless they ask).

    There are medical decisions that parents make about kids that I don’t approve of, just like a lot of people don’t like parents deciding their kids can get transgender treatment or puberty blockers (I don’t particularly think it’s a great idea to put your 13 year old on birth-control, though I guess it’s better than having a pregnant 13 year old and I don’t think it’s useful to having your hallucinating kid exorcised.) but I certainly don’t think the parents should go to prison over it either.

    Nic (896fdf)

  153. @152. Those stats don’t say how many of those kids learned about transgenderism from teachers, how many from other kids, how many from their parents or siblings, how many from social media, and how many just raised the issue unsolicited to teachers or parents because they were convinced something felt wrong. How many 8 year olds are actually told “sex changes are just part of the way things are done,” and how many of those were taught it at school? Those are questions I’d like the answers to before deciding whether kids are being indoctrinated, and if so by whom.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  154. Republicans june 2022 supreme court rules on abortion republicans think they are winning and put it up to a vote in republican controlled kansas and lose by 60%! Oh! wait lets talk about drag queens and trannies! 2022 mid terms 80% of voters who oppose ban on abortion come out and vote. Red wave fizzles out. Only 4 corrupt democrats voted out in very pro-choice NY allows mccarthy 4 seat majority of trumpsters. 2024 is coming with abortion on many states ballots. Mississippi republicans say no ballot initiative on abortion we would lose. Conservative talk show screeners told not to allow calls on abortion only drag queens and trannie callers.

    asset (10669b)

  155. It’s a horsesh!t issue, but when both sides have large constituents whose intellect and understanding qualify them only for cleaning out stables ….

    nk (86e0f8)

  156. Yeah as a populace we don’t want a Cronkite telling us ‘That’s the way it is’, we want freakin’ Jesse Waters stoking our partisan prejudices. Apparently, ‘you be you’ is the highest currency…always. Being perpetually mad at the other team in a ridiculous hyperbolic fashion drives how we get informed any longer. Is it any surprise that it leads to ridiculous hyperbolic candidates…..who are more reality-TV drama queens than leaders?

    There is no longer social shame in publicly lying or being painfully ignorant. In a way, it gives us more to rage about and the cycle perpetuates. Shameful behavior has been monetized. Trannies are a sad distraction.

    AJ_Liberty (2a8b4b)

  157. large *constituencies*

    Well, okay, they have large constituents, too, but I meant to say constituencies.

    nk (86e0f8)

  158. I’m sure such coercion to give up constitutional rights is illegal.

    They do it to poor people all the time.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/25/2023 @ 10:54 pm

    As noted before, Trump was released on his OR without any restrictions (except not to talk to witnesses). He didn’t even have to surrender his passport.

    Two-tiered justice.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  159. That “no cash bail” that everyone gets the vapors over is the rule in the federal courts. Everybody gets released on their own recognizance unless they’re a flight risk and/or continuing menace to society.

    nk (0420d1)

  160. the CDE health curriculum framework doesn’t say what this or that click-baiter says it does

    Reuter’s is not actually a click-baiter.

    Those are questions I’d like the answers to before deciding whether kids are being indoctrinated, and if so by whom.

    Then why did Disney go to war to protect something that does not happen?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  161. Everybody gets released on their own recognizance unless they’re a flight risk and/or continuing menace to society.

    I’m sure you meant this ironically, but I thought it needed emphasis.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  162. Everybody gets released on their own recognizance unless they’re …… (a) continuing menace to society.

    nk (0420d1) — 6/26/2023 @ 9:31 am

    How do you explain Trump’s release on OR? 😉

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  163. Drip drip drip.

    NJRob (f50fbb) — 6/26/2023 @ 10:34 am

    A non-member of Congress telling them what they should do is not “drip drip drip.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  164. Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/26/2023 @ 9:47 am

    Then why did Disney go to war to protect something that does not happen?

    Disney did not attempt to protect anything.

    Disney decided to go along with those of its employees who were claiming some law did something it did not do – not this version anyway.

    Underlying issues had nothing to do with it.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  165. Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/25/2023 @ 10:48 pm

    The idea of teaching 8 year-olds about sexual preference, gender identity, and suggesting that sex changes are just part of the way things are done is abhorrent to many people (and most everyone over, oh, 40).

    But there are people very interested in doing just that – in normalizing. not just premarital sex, (which was normalized back in the 1960s) not just homosexuality, but gender changes too, and anything else that comes along that isn’t outright illegal or considered unethical. (adultery is considered sort of unethical)

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  166. Hunter Biden was one of six people who got kicked out of a sex club (as soon as he joined it) because he thought it was a license to grab.

    He also tried to deduct it from his taxes. And the result was:

    And Hunter’s $10,000 payment led to Lawner receiving an IRS subpoena.

    Lawner claimed that the payment was made through a mystery woman in 2018 and that he was later informed of a probe by the IRS criminal division who “asked me about book-keeping and records.”

    Lawner said he decided to disclose Biden’s sex club membership after Biden was given a virtual slap on the wrist on Tuesday in an income tax and a gun case after a five-year federal investigation.

    The whopping fee, Lawner said, was made through an LLC that hid Hunter’s name and paid by a mystery woman who accompanied the president’s son — “high as a kite and zonked out” — to the club.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  167. 137. Rip Murdock (5be45a) — 6/25/2023 @ 4:57 pm

    Your truncating the quote changed its original meaning. Uncool.

    I was having technical difficulties. I often do on that Windows 10 laptop computer. The mouse pointer even gets lost.

    But today the Wall Street Journal went into detail as to how what Hunter Biden did might have been felonious.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/hunter-biden-fair-tax-share-fraud-irs-special-agent-whistleblower-charges-misdemeanor-scheme-d8813133

    Here’s one example of possible felonies (according to the Wall Street Journal)

    Also notable are Hunter’s filings in 2018 and 2019, for which the IRS team also recommended felony charges of tax evasion and false returns. The second whistleblower testified that Hunter underreported his income for 2018 by anywhere from $267,000 to $500,000—depending on how conservatively the IRS counted. He did this, claims the whistleblower, by falsifying “business” deductions.

    It’s worse to claim false deductions than to underreport income.

    The whistleblower says this included deducting thousands paid to “no-show employees”—including “a prostitute” that Hunter claimed was a “West Coast assistant.” He deducted $10,000 for a “golf club member deposit,” money that IRS agents say “went to pay for a sex club.” He deducted $30,000 for a child’s Columbia University tuition. He also deducted a hotel room for who agents believed to be “one of his drug dealers,” hotel rooms for his girlfriend at the time, and two nights for “a hotel room for his dad, Joe Biden.”

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  168. And there were severe problems with his 2014 and 2015 returns, for which the statute of limitations was eventually allowed to run out

    ….IRS supervisory special agent Gary Shapley said Hunter’s 2014 and 2015 returns involved a “scheme to evade his income taxes through a partnership with a convicted felon.” …he “didn’t report any of the money he earned from Burisma”—about $400,000 in 2014.

    Incidentally, I read in passing the other day that Burisma is now defunct, so I guess Zelensky went after it eventually after all..

    What did Hunter do in 2014?

    He directed Burisma to pay his money to Rosemont Seneca Bohai, or RSB, an entity owned by his business partner Devon Archer (convicted later of fraud in 2018) RSB would send the money to Hunter, who then “booked it as a loan.”

    One obvious tax problem, explains the second whistleblower, is that “you can’t loan yourself your own money.”

    I don’t know. If it’s pass through, and the entity reports it as income, maybe, but RSB booked it as an expense. Gary Shapley says this is something IRS agents learn about in basic training. They look for three things to see if something is truly a loan: Is there a promissory note; what is the interest, and where are the repayments?

    Then, in 2017, a Hunter business partner, Eric Schwerin, told Hunter that he had “unreported Burisma income” and needed to “amend your 2014 returns.” Hunter ignored the warning and broke off the relationship.

    He did more. He had some personal expenses paid directly. RSB paid more than $10,000 in Hunter medical bills (I suppose that could have been done before taxes if it had been structured some other way) and a $142,000 Porsche for Hunter’s benefit was paid for via other money from a Kazakhstan businessman.

    He also again attempted to describe income as a loan .

    his accountants rejected the request. All told, the IRS team recommended that Hunter face felony charges for 2014, 2018 and 2019. They also recommended misdemeanor charges for “failure to file or pay” for five of the six years.

    The editorial was motvated by the fact that President Biden has said

    that America’s rich should pay their “fair” share of taxes, and he’s giving the Internal Revenue Service billions more to enforce it.

    They ask:

    Does he include his son Hunter among the rich who should pay what they owe?

    Of course Hunter blew all the money on drugs, on sex, and on travel.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  169. I think a possible solution to one contradiction (about Delaware prosecutor David Weiss, either having or not having the authority to bring charges in Washington, DC, or in California) is that he had the authority, but he didn’t have the budget, and he tried to lay off cases against Hunter Biden on other U.S. attorneys and they wouldn’t accept.

    As for being denied or not being denied the possibility of being named a special counsel, maybe he never made a formal request, and what he was really looking for was money ad he was maybe told by underlings to Merrick Garland that he wouldn’t get any extra money.

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  170. RP John Goodenough, inventor of the lithium ion battery age 100

    https://www.newser.com/story/336968/worlds-oldest-nobel-winner-leaves-a-lasting-impact.html

    Now there’s another battery, used a lot by the military, twice as expensive, but recharges faster and lasts longer and cannot start fires.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-titanate_battery

    A lithium-titanate battery is a modified lithium-ion battery that uses lithium-titanate nanocrystals, instead of carbon, on the surface of its anode.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  171. Exclusive: CNN obtains the tape of Trump’s 2021 conversation about classified documents

    CNN has exclusively obtained the audio recording of the 2021 meeting in Bedminster, New Jersey, where President Donald Trump discusses holding secret documents he did not declassify.
    ……….
    “These are the papers,” Trump says in the audio recording, while he’s discussing the Pentagon attack plans, a quote that was not included in the indictment.
    In the two-minute audio recording, Trump and his aides also joke about Hillary Clinton’s emails after the former president says that the document was “secret information.”

    “Hillary would print that out all the time, you know. Her private emails,” Trump’s staffer said.

    “No, she’d send it to Anthony Weiner,” Trump responded, referring to the former Democratic congressman, prompting laughter in the room.

    Trump’s statements on the audio recording, saying “these are the papers” and referring to something he calls “highly confidential” and seems to be showing others in the room, could undercut the former president’s claims in an interview last week with Fox News’ Bret Baier that he did not have any documents with him.
    ………..
    The recording obtained by CNN begins with Trump claiming “these are bad sick people,” while his staffer claims there had been a “coup” against Trump.

    “Like when Milley is talking about, ‘Oh you’re going to try to do a coup.’ No, they were trying to do that before you even were sworn in,” the staffer says, according to the audio.

    The next part of the conversation is mostly included in the indictment, though the audio makes clear there are papers shuffling as Trump tells those in attendance he has an example to show.

    “He said that I wanted to attack Iran, Isn’t it amazing?” Trump says as the sound of papers shuffling can be heard. “I have a big pile of papers, this thing just came up. Look. This was him. They presented me this – this is off the record but – they presented me this. This was him. This was the Defense Department and him.”

    The indictment includes ellipses where the recording obtained by CNN shows where Trump and his aide begin talking about Clinton’s emails and Weiner, whose laptop caused the FBI to briefly re-open its investigation into her handling of classified information in the days before the 2016 election she lost to Trump.
    ……….
    “I was just thinking, because we were talking about it. And you know, he said, ‘He wanted to attack Iran, and what…,’ ” Trump says.

    “These are the papers,” Trump continues, according to the audio file.

    “This was done by the military and given to me,” Trump continues, before noting that the document remained classified.

    “See as president I could have declassified it,” Trump says. “Now I can’t, you know, but this is still a secret.”

    “Now we have a problem,” his staffer responds.

    “Isn’t that interesting,” Trump says.

    While that’s the last line included in the indictment, the audio recording obtained by CNN includes several additional lines from the conversation:
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  172. RIP actor Frederic Forrest (86). Highly regarded supporting actor in Apocalypse Now, The Conversation, Tucker: The Man and His Dream, One From The Heart (all directed by Francis Ford Coppola) and The Rose.

    Rip Murdock (28d7d9)

  173. … and not to be confused with DCSCA’s favorite actor, Forrest Tucker.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  174. Kevin, what the CDE framework says about gender identity and 3rd graders is that if they are curious, you can say that some people with female organs don’t feel like girls and that some people with male organs don’t feel like boys. That’s it. Maybe you think that that is too much acknowledgement, IDK.

    Nic (19e047)

  175. … and not to be confused with DCSCA’s favorite actor, Forrest Tucker.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 6/26/2023 @ 10:03 pm

    Who?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  176. Kevin, what the CDE framework says about gender identity and 3rd graders is that if they are curious

    Maybe the world has moved further than I thought, but when I was in third grade kids weren’t thinking about those things at all. And Rob and Laura Petrie slept in twin beds.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  177. https://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2023/06/26/federal-conversion-therapy-ban-therapeutic-fraud-prevention-act/5311687809234/

    So leftists claim that cutting off a child’s genetalia is a private act between thw child and it’s doctor, but a different type of therapy must be banned. So I guess it’s not about respecting the wishes of a family getting medical treatment, but instead about pushing a radical left agenda and mutiliating children.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  178. I really don’t know what to make of the Hunter Biden thing, but there are a LOT of liars involved, including his father. I see it as a case of corrupt family influence (in several aspects) and not as some bargaining chip for Mr Trump.

    It’s possible they all need to go to jail.

    Yesterday it was reported that the IRS wanted felony charges for multiple fraudulent deductions — the kind of thing that the Trump Organization fella got imprisoned for — but that didn’t happen in this case. Who shut the IRS down isn’t clear. But obstruction of justice charges seem appropriate for whoever did.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  179. If we had a really independent press in this country, a corrupt Democrat would get the same treatment as a corrupt Republican. But in the press we do have, you will screw your entire career by “getting” a Democrat officeholder.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  180. “It’s possible they all need to go to jail.”

    It seems like it’s difficult to make a tax charge stick (read convince a jury) when the defendant has paid the taxes plus fines, elocuted, had a drug problem he’s working on, and has no priors. I’m not seeing analysis that says that these particulars always or even usually result in prison time. There are no aggravating charges like in the case of Manafort or Cohen.

    The lying on the gun form is a crime, but it’s not at all connected with a violent crime. He possessed the gun for 11 days and then his girlfriend got rid of it for fear he was contemplating suicide. Isn’t the usual result of this when the defendant elocutes diversion?

    Joe Biden is a horrible candidate for multiple reasons, including that having a substance-abusing son always makes this an issue. I think the GOP out punts its coverage and then is stuck whining about the DoJ and special prosecutors. It’s been five years. At some point isn’t it time to sh*t or get off the pot?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  181. AJ, the fraudulent 2013 & 2014 returns were never acted on at all, even though the IRS wanted felony charges brought. A number of contemporaneous reports now about how prosecution was blocked.

    AFAIK no amended return was filed, and fraudulent deductions are generally not fixed by payment of tax anyway because they are so easily proven to be perjury & fraud.

    Do you think a perjurer can correct his testimony years later with a “My bad!”?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  182. I think you need to check the updates.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  183. Will New Hunter Biden Claims Lead to Impeachments?

    [S]hortly after Hunter reached a deal with federal prosecutors to plead guilty to two misdemeanor tax offenses last week, the Ways and Means Committee—which has jurisdiction over the IRS—released interview transcripts of two witnesses who had previously testified about possible political interference in the Justice Department’s investigation. The transcripts run for hundreds of pages and provide Republicans with new ammunition to make their case.

    The two witnesses—one named Gary Shapley and another whose name was redacted—were both criminal investigators for the Internal Revenue Service and worked under Delaware U.S. Attorney David Weiss as he investigated tax violations by Hunter Biden. Both witnesses testified that the Department of Justice “slow-walked” the case and didn’t give Weiss full authority to follow the facts. Weiss sought to bring charges against Hunter Biden in Washington, D.C, and California but was denied, and he requested special counsel status from the Justice Department and was denied that too.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  184. BTW, the Trumpians are after Bill Barr now, for speaking ill of the Master. Go over and check the comments over at InstaTrumpist.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  185. Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/27/2023 @ 12:46 pm

    Impeachments, possibly, convictions unlikely.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  186. While I favor impeachment hearings to get the facts out, I think the net result will be energize Democrats no matter who the Republican nominee will be.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  187. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP in the House impeaches Biden and Garland, but I’d first like to know what actual evidence-backed crimes were committed.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  188. I wouldn’t be surprised if the GOP in the House impeaches Biden and Garland, but I’d first like to know what actual evidence-backed crimes were committed.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 6/27/2023 @ 1:45 pm

    It’s time for Comer, Jordan, and McCarthy to put up or shut up.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  189. I don’t put much faith in Comer, or his committee, but Ways & Means is a different breed.

    They actually have authority over tax matters, and the testimony they got from IRS agents attached to the Weiss team indicates (heck, states) that Hunter Biden had multiple senior officials riding shotgun for him throughout the investigation. They claim that several felony indictments were blocked, and that Weiss never had the authority Garland and others testified he had been given.

    * Despite the fact that IRS officials recommended that Hunter Biden be charged with criminal activity that includes attempts to evade or defeat taxes, fraud and false statements, and willful failures to file returns, supply information, or pay taxes for over $8.3 million in income, Mr. Biden received preferential treatment in the course of the investigation, and has struck a plea deal that will likely keep him out from behind bars.

    * Recurring unjustified delays pervaded the investigation, including in authenticating the message between Hunter Biden and Chinese officials. Investigators were told by U.S. Attorney Lesley Wolf that “there is no way” a search warrant for evidence would get approved because the evidence of interest would be found in the guest house of former Vice President Biden.

    * Investigators found out that attorneys for Hunter Biden were tipped off about actions relating to the investigation in advance. For example, even as investigators had probable cause to search a Northern Virginia storage unit in which Hunter Biden had stored files, attorneys for Biden were tipped off.

    * U.S. Attorney of Delaware David Weiss tried to bring charges in District of Columbia around March 2022 and was denied. Weiss sought special counsel status from DOJ in the Spring of 2022 and was denied. Weiss sought to bring charges in the Central District of California in the Fall of 2022 and had that request denied in January 2023.

    * Actions were taken to cut the IRS investigative team out of the process after they raised concerns up their chain of command. One whistleblower was not selected for a position, when he was more qualified than the candidate who was selected. Limits and pauses have been placed on other, unrelated investigations that the whistleblowers are working on – which hamper the investigators’ ability to do their work or advance. The whistleblowers and their entire team were removed from the investigation on May 15, 2023, after blowing the whistle to Congress.

    This is not “old news” except to people who are afraid to look at it. The Rule of Law means something, or it does not. There are 200 pages of testimony at that link. Isn’t insider testimony “evidence”?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  190. This is so reminiscent of Watergate. Not the crime, but the widespread refusal to admit there was a problem.

    It took well over a year after the break-in to get any real investigation started, and that only happened because a disgruntled FBI whistleblower gave some reporters some clues.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  191. Sorry, those bullet points should be quoted.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  192. I’ll note that, after finding out what Trump had in his possession, I also think that undue deference was granted to Donald Trump.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  193. Those are questions I’d like the answers to before deciding whether kids are being indoctrinated, and if so by whom.

    Then why did Disney go to war to protect something that does not happen?

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/26/2023 @ 9:47 am

    What a strange diversion. Disney sued to challenge Florida’s allegedly unconstitutional termination of a statutory benefit as punishment for Disney’s exercise of its First Amendment rights. How does that answer my question? I never denied there are 8 year olds hearing about this stuff from their teachers. I assume there are. But that doesn’t tell us anything about prevalence or context. How many teachers are discussing it at all? How many do it unsolicited, and how many, as nic reports, are responding to inquiries from troubled or confused students? How do those numbers compare to the number of kids who first hear about it elsewhere? And how many of those kids then ask their teachers to make sense of something they heard from parents, siblings or friends, and vice versa? Don’t you think that data would inform a more reasoned, productive debate than the “groomers” vs “transphobes” cage match that’s been foisted on us by the demagogues on both sides?

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  194. Who?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/27/2023 @ 9:42 am

    Forrest Tucker was the star of DCSCA’s favorite referenced ad nauseam TV show, F-Troop.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  195. What a strange diversion. Disney sued to challenge Florida’s allegedly unconstitutional termination of a statutory benef

    What a strange obfuscation. Disney started it all by pinning the company’s prestige on opposing a law setting little kids off limits for sexual prodding.

    Your comment is about like saying that the US started WW2 by invading France.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  196. As for the rest of it … if it was never done and no one was at risk, why did Disney (and/or its employees) get involved in a nothingburger over a state law that did nothing? You have to explain that, first.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  197. Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/27/2023 @ 2:57 pm

    For the most part it’s all hearsay.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  198. For the most part it’s all hearsay.

    So was Watergate until they held hearings. Most of didn’t rise to hearsay, actually.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  199. Who?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/27/2023 @ 9:42 am

    Forrest Tucker was the star of DCSCA’s favorite referenced ad nauseam TV show, F-Troop.

    lurker (cd7cd4) — 6/27/2023 @ 3:54 pm

    I know who Forrest Tucker was, I meant who is DCSCA? Out of sight, out of mind.

    It was a joke.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  200. RIP actor Julian Sands (65).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  201. It was a joke.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/27/2023 @ 4:28 pm

    Sorry. My bad.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  202. Disney started it all by pinning the company’s prestige on opposing a law setting little kids off limits for sexual prodding.

    Your comment is about like saying that the US started WW2 by invading France.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/27/2023 @ 4:01 pm

    Kids were already off limits for sexual prodding. And sure, if you assume the necessary bias-confirming conclusions, then you’re obviously correct about who fired the first shot. My intuition is that both sides are drunk on outrage, and thus have misconstrued and overstated the relevant law, motives and and events. As I said, I don’t have nearly enough information to form reliable conclusions about who has the better argument, so for starters I’d like more data. I’m sorry if that looks like obfuscation to you.

    As for Disney, they made a business decision, and DeSantis retaliated. There’s a plausible likelihood that retaliation was unconstitutional. We’ll see.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  203. Here’s the way the Culture War works:

    1) Conservatives are almost never the instigators, as conservatives are generally not trying to change things radically. I exempt Trumpists from this as I have no idea why they do things.

    2) It usually starts with a child coming home with an attitude. Let’s take up a (made up but eventual) school initiative to promote veganism:

    Little Billy comes home and announces he’s a Veegan. Like Mr Spock. At dinner, he begins lecturing Mom and Dad about how they are murdering defenseless animals like Bambi and shouldn’t eat meat. Mom and Dad are a little nonplussed and ask where this came from, and Billy says that his teacher talked about her Veegan beliefs and why “Meat is Murder.” And he didn’t want to be like those people who killed Bambi or Old Yeller.

    Needless to say that Mom and Dad call the school principal the next morning and are given a run-around. “Doesn’t happen. But if it did, we’ll look into it. And teachers have a right to teach, don’t they?”

    Billy’s attitude does not improve, and he starts calling his parents “Vegiphobic.” Clearly something is going on.

    3) This is repeated several times (it doesn’t take many) and suddenly the empty school board meetings are filled with irate parents. Then one parent says their child was punished for having a bologna sandwich in their brown-bag lunch. True? Maybe. Maybe not. Does it matter? After a few meetings, with school principal’s repeating the “didn’t happen” line, things get unruly.

    4) Politicians begin to notice…

    ————

    At this point it no longer matters what the truth is. Politicians who want to woo Vegans, companies with 20% Vegan Gen X workers, and of course PETAS and the rest pile on in support of the schools. Trump chimes in with his burned prime ribeyes covered in ketchup. The legislature meets to defend eating meat.

    Some repeat the “didn’t happen” line, when clearly something did happen. Parentts are sure that the schools are full of card-carrying Vegans. Axe-grinders grind axes. The Meat Council, um, meets and denouces the public schools. Etc.

    Pretty soon a presidential candidate has to apologize for saying “Where’s the meat?”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  204. Billy, of course, still won’t eat his broccoli.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  205. By the way, this isn’t new. I remember back in my childhood in the early 60s, when the school sent out a questionnaire asking for private information (race, marital status, income, etc) so that they could use it to apply for federal education money. My dad was of the opinion that the feds had no —- business in a child’s education.

    He didn’t live to see the “Life of Julia” as a model for the nation.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  206. @208. That’s a nice story, Kevin, but if it’s OK with you I’ll keep preferring data over anecdotes, real or imaginary.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  207. Classic. It sounds very close to “I am not a crook”.

    “I don’t do things wrong, I do things right. I’m a legitimate person.”
    –Donald J. Trump, twice impeached, twice criminally indicted, university and foundation shuttered by judges due to fraud, organization criminally guilty for fraud, adjudicated in court as a liar and sexual abuser, 6/27/2023

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  208. “I’m a legitimate person.”

    At least we know Trump is not an AI creation. Or is “Trump” lying?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  209. Again, apply the Turing Test to rump and you’ll see he may be “A” but not also “I”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  210. @208. That’s a nice story, Kevin, but if it’s OK with you I’ll keep preferring data over anecdotes, real or imaginary.

    It may be simplified, but it is almost exactly how the school transgender thing went down. It’s the focal point of the whole they/them thing.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  211. This is why Mr. Weiss should’ve been elevated to Special Counsel, reporting directly to AG Garland, because one part of Mr. Shapley’s claims was independently confirmed, although you wouldn’t know it if you stopped reading after the 20th paragraph (and the title is too innocuous, as if they were trying to downplay what they confirmed).

    A similar request to prosecutors in the Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles, was also rejected, Mr. Shapley testified. A second former I.R.S. official, who has not been identified, told House Republicans the same story. That episode was confirmed independently to The New York Times by a person with knowledge of the situation.

    While Mr. Weiss had the authority to pursue leads that led to jurisdictions other than his own in Delaware, the department’s practices dictated that he secure the approval and cooperation of the U.S. attorneys in those districts before proceeding.

    If Mr. Weiss wanted to move ahead without their approval, he could have brought the issue to Mr. Garland’s attention, and the attorney general could then appoint him “special attorney,” which would allow him to bypass the standard chain of command. There is no indication that Mr. Weiss appealed for help from Mr. Garland or his top deputies — or that he even communicated about the case with anyone in leadership beyond the department’s top career official at headquarters.

    The best case is that Weiss was being squirrely about not being hindered, and the worst case is he was lying. AG Barr missed the Special Counsel opportunity as well, elevating Durham but not Weiss.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  212. This is why Mr. Weiss should’ve been elevated to Special Counsel, reporting directly to AG Garland…..

    Isn’t the point of a special counsel not to report to the AG, but act independently, ala John Durham?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  213. RIP Lowell Weicker, former Connecticut governor and U.S. senator (92).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  214. This is why Mr. Weiss should’ve been elevated to Special Counsel, reporting directly to AG Garland…..

    Isn’t the point of a special counsel not to report to the AG, but act independently, ala John Durham?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/28/2023 @ 11:06 am

    And Jack Smith.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  215. 217ff The New York Times has a story (the one that Paul Montagu linked to) that I think clears it all up (and one by Peter Baker that is bad)

    Merrick Garland was being very tricky and the investigation was being subtly hindered. Gary Shapley was telling the truth about what David Weiss said in that October 7,2022 meeting with half a dozen IRS investigators. What he said was confirmed by a NYT source.

    Weiss did have the authority under law to bring prosecutions in another district, but he did not under DOJ rules or maybe just customs.

    And Weiss wasn’t asking specifically to be named a special counsel but another title, (a “special attorney,” ) which would have authorized him to bring prosecutions in DC (for tax years 2014 and 2015) or California (for tax years 2016 through 2018)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/06/27/us/politics/irs-official-justice-dept-hunter-biden.html

    It is not clear if Mr. Weiss was convinced those strands of the investigation should be prosecuted or was simply making sure all potential charges were pursued thoroughly. But in mid-2022, Mr. Weiss reached out to the top federal prosecutor in Washington, Matthew Graves, to ask his office to pursue charges and was rebuffed, according to Mr. Shapley’s testimony.

    A similar request to prosecutors in the Central District of California, which includes Los Angeles, was also rejected, Mr. Shapley testified. A second former I.R.S. official, who has not been identified, told House Republicans the same story. That episode was confirmed independently to The New York Times by a person with knowledge of the situation.

    While Mr. Weiss had the authority to pursue leads that led to jurisdictions other than his own in Delaware, the department’s practices dictated that he secure the approval and cooperation of the U.S. attorneys in those districts before proceeding.

    Sammy Finkelman (d007a3)

  216. This makes you wonder how he was able to do the plea bargain. He must have been given permission.

    More:

    If Mr. Weiss wanted to move ahead without their approval, he could have brought the issue to Mr. Garland’s attention, and the attorney general could then appoint him “special attorney,” which would allow him to bypass the standard chain of command. There is no indication that Mr. Weiss appealed for help from Mr. Garland or his top deputies — or that he even communicated about the case with anyone in leadership beyond the department’s top career official at headquarters.

    When Mr. Grassley, at the hearing in March, pressed Mr. Garland on that point — without referring explicitly to Mr. Shapley’s claim, which would not become public for months, but tracking closely what Mr. Shapley would tell the Ways and Means Committee — the attorney general said he would “assure” that Mr. Weiss would be able to bring charges outside Delaware if that was his wish. At a news conference after the transcript was released, Mr. Garland repeated that message.

    As the investigation ground on, Mr. Shapley had grown disenchanted with the lack of progress in the investigation, and by his account was so upset over the conduct of the Justice Department he found it hard to sleep.

    He testified that Mr. Weiss, despite his public statements to the contrary, was also unhappy, and that he complained about being handcuffed by higher-ups in the department.

    Things came to a head during a meeting among investigators on Oct. 7, when Mr. Weiss made an unexpected admission to him in the presence of several other federal law enforcement officials, according to Mr. Shapley’s account.

    “He surprised us by telling us on the charges, quote: ‘I’m not the deciding official on whether charges are filed,’” said Mr. Shapley, a longtime Republican who has said he is motivated by the evenhanded application of justice, not politics.

    “To add to the surprise, U.S. Attorney Weiss stated that he subsequently asked for special counsel authority from Main D.O.J. at that time and was denied that authority,” he added.

    Mr. Weiss, he said, was then told “to follow D.O.J.’s process.”

    Mr. Shapley did not say if Mr. Weiss told him who had turned down his request to appoint a special counsel, a decision that can only be made by an attorney general under department regulations.

    Incidentally the statute of limitations was tolled with the agreement of Hunter Biden’s lawyers, until eventually it wasn’t. His lawyers have also accused Gary Shapely of violating grand jury secrecy.(His claim to being a whistleblower is disputed – it is based on his not getting a promotion he expected to get)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  217. Unlike Watergate, this concerned a member of the president’s family.

    Also, we don’t know what an impartial prosecutor would have decided todo. Perhaps nothing more on the gun charge. But at least Hunter would have been required to tell all about the people who gave him money.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  218. Isn’t the point of a special counsel not to report to the AG, but act independently, ala John Durham?

    As I understand it, the Special Counsel bypasses all chains of command but for the AG.
    Mueller reported to Rosenstein, the deputy AG, because Sessions recused himself, which drew all kinds of ire from Trump, and Durham reported to Barr (who were peas in a pod), then Garland.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  219. RIP Lowell Weicker, former Connecticut governor and U.S. senator (92).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/28/2023 @ 11:17 am

    Isn’t he the guy who was responsible for Connecticut adopting a state income tax?

    I remember Bill Buckley’s Political Action Committee helping Joe Lieberman defeat Weicker in the Senate primary. Good times.

    norcal (8b5267)

  220. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy has indicated that if things come out [sic – should be turn out] to be the way [it’s looking – that there was secret interference with the investigation of Hunter Biden] he will support impeachment.

    Sammy Finkelman (208c64)

  221. It may be simplified, but it is almost exactly how the school transgender thing went down.

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/28/2023 @ 9:27 am

    I have zero doubt that from your point of view, based on everything you’ve digested, that’s an honest, accurate depiction. But that doesn’t make it representative, much less complete. My own impression overlaps a fair amount with yours, but when I interrogate how I got there, I can’t escape the fact that it’s almost entirely anecdotal. So I give it little credence. Do you doubt there are equally honest, equally well-informed people whose (I assume equally anecdotal) narrative would be very different, yet from their point of view equally accurate? Isn’t that why we eschew anecdotes for data?

    I doubt you’d dispute that if there’s a single teacher somewhere telling a single third grader that cutting off his pen1s is normal, that might be disturbing and worthy of inquiry by her superiors, but hardly worth the oxygen the subject has consumed. Conversely, if the entire left-leaning half of the 1.5 million third grade teachers are all routinely teaching it, we should be very alarmed. I’m quite certain the reality is somewhere in between, but I have no idea where. Until I have a better idea where that and a raft of related answers land, I feel utterly unqualified to draw conclusions about the social implications of this dynamic. And frankly I’m inclined to dismiss the outraged conclusions of pretty much everyone else, left or right, whose judgment is equally uninformed, and guess that in the vast majority of cases it coincidentally conforms to their political/cultural priors.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  222. RIP Lowell Weicker, former Connecticut governor and U.S. senator (92).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/28/2023 @ 11:17 am

    Isn’t he the guy who was responsible for Connecticut adopting a state income tax?

    I’m sure the Connecticut Legislature also had something to do with it.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  223. lurker,

    The problem is that these movements have small changes and they have extremes. At one end there’s the penis-cutting, rare if not apocryphal, and at the other end there are, um, microaggressions, like demanding that “your” pronoun be used. It wasn’t that long ago that some colleges put preferred pronouns in student directories. Now they all do, and failing to use the correct one can get a tenured professor fired at some institutions.

    None of that is really physically harmful, and one hopes it’s just a idiotic fad, like the Little Red Book or Peter Max.

    But now we have the idea that some schools in some states can decide to offer heavy medication, with life-altering results, to children without the approval of the parents. CA now has a bill to justify the State removing a child from the home if gender-affirmation rules are not followed. It’s unclear if that’s puberty blockers or pronoun usage.

    As I said, a range. But complain about any of it and the response is “no, we are not cutting off children’s penises.”

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  224. The way to stop discriminating by race is to stop discriminating by race.

    Finally overturning the most atrocious remaining decision since Dred Scott, affirmative action has been ruled unconstitutional. We know the left will ignore the ruling and find other ways to maintain their racial discrimination.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  225. Damn… just finished reading the opinion.

    Some conservatives has been hard on CJ Roberts in other rulings, but here? He really takes the dissents to the woodshed, and its beautiful.

    Getting ready to read Thomas’ concurrence, as I know it’s going to be good.

    whembly (5f7596)

  226. We know the left will ignore the ruling and find other ways to maintain their racial discrimination.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/29/2023 @ 7:39 am

    That’s true-they will use economic disadvantage as a proxy, and will allow applicants to discuss how tough it was growing up in their essays. Both need to be banned.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  227. That last page in Thomas’ concurrent is simply a work of art.

    Send it to the Louvre.

    whembly (5f7596)

  228. @233

    We know the left will ignore the ruling and find other ways to maintain their racial discrimination.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 6/29/2023 @ 7:39 am

    That’s true-they will use economic disadvantage as a proxy, and will allow applicants to discuss how tough it was growing up in their essays. Both need to be banned.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/29/2023 @ 8:45 am

    They’ll certainly try.

    But, even with this opinion, there’s an “read between the lines” sense that any “backdoor” proxy for race-based admission will be overturn with ease.

    whembly (5f7596)

  229. NBC:

    However, universities may still consider an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. “In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race,” Roberts added.

    Race can be a factor if the school wants it to be.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  230. This decision doesn’t square with the Louisiana and Alabama redistricting cases.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  231. How will denied applicants know about, let alone overturn, the fact that other applicants were admitted based on their life stories vs their race?

    DRJ (fd3827)

  232. Race can be a factor if the school wants it to be.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 8:49 am

    They shouldn’t have the opportunity.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  233. @236

    NBC:

    However, universities may still consider an applicant’s discussion of how race affected his or her life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise. “In other words, the student must be treated based on his or her experiences as an individual—not on the basis of race,” Roberts added.

    Race can be a factor if the school wants it to be.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 8:49 am

    Only on an individual basis… re-emphasizing the use of merits.

    He also stated that:

    But despite the dissent’s assertion to the contrary, universities may not simply establish through application essays or other means the regime we hold unlawful today.

    whembly (5f7596)

  234. This might make it easier for colleges to discriminate.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  235. The colleges will deny their decisions were based on race. They will claim the admissions committees looked at the life story of each applicant.

    The only solution is for states to prohibit race as a factor. 9 states already do that.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  236. The only discrimination that should be allowed is academic achievement.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  237. This case also cannot be squared with the Indian Child Welfare Act case.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  238. This opinion has other downstream implications as well.

    We can infer that race-based equity policies in DEI programs are a violation of the 14th amendment.

    I expect to see a lot of challenges looking to rule DEI initiative unconstitutional.

    whembly (5f7596)

  239. I am glad the Court took the next step and actually ended race-based affirmative action. But I doubt a college would admit a student whose life story involves race-based inspiration or discrimination as a Caucasian, Asian, or Jew. So colleges can still use this to benefit some races, not all.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  240. In the other case today, the Court (in a 9-0 decision) broadened the accommodations an employer must make for workers’ religious practices after a postal worker refused to work on Sundays for religious reasons.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  241. I am glad the Court took the next step and actually ended race-based affirmative action. But I doubt a college would admit a student whose life story involves race-based inspiration or discrimination as a Caucasian, Asian, or Jew. So colleges can still use this to benefit some races, not all.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:05 am

    As I said above, life stories should have no place when considering college applications. It should be only academic performance.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  242. For example, a _____ applicant could write about his or her life story, talking about how being ___ has affected his or her life.

    Fill in the blanks using “black” or “brown” and most colleges will look at the applicants as overcoming obstacles. Fill in the blanks with “white” and the colleges will see a White Supremecist.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  243. In the other case today, the Court (in a 9-0 decision) broadened the accommodations an employer must make for workers’ religious practices after a postal worker refused to work on Sundays for religious reasons.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:05 am

    Link to opinion.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  244. @248

    In the other case today, the Court (in a 9-0 decision) broadened the accommodations an employer must make for workers’ religious practices after a postal worker refused to work on Sundays for religious reasons.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:05 am


    Good.

    It’s a shame it took a SCOTUS case to reassert that.

    This was about a Jewish USPS driver refusing to work on Sabbath.

    whembly (5f7596)

  245. Fill in the blanks using “black” or “brown” and most colleges will look at the applicants as overcoming obstacles. Fill in the blanks with “white” and the colleges will see a White Supremecist.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:10 am

    Which is why college application essays should be banned. Admissions should only look at transcripts.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  246. Most colleges want to help disadvantaged students, Rip. I have no problem with stories about students who were orphans, in foster care, or were raised in bad circumstances getting consideration, if they show promise. They can tell convincing life stories without identifying their race, but Roberts has left that door open.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  247. This was about a Jewish USPS driver refusing to work on Sabbath.

    whembly (5f7596) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:11 am

    He is a Christian evangelical who refused to work on Sundays.

    Petitioner Gerald Groff is an Evangelical Christian who believes for religious reasons that Sunday should be devoted to worship and rest.

    First sentence of the opinion.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  248. Most colleges want to help disadvantaged students, Rip. I have no problem with stories about students who were orphans, in foster care, or were raised in bad circumstances getting consideration, if they show promise. They can tell convincing life stories without identifying their race, but Roberts has left that door open.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:13 am

    Colleges and universities should be about academic achievement, not life stories.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  249. Group preferences are insidious because they make unwarranted stereotypes. It is interesting that the service academies are still allowed to use race as part of their admissions, likely because there is a compelling argument that the officer corps should reflect that of the enlisted ranks.

    The element of affirmative action at the university that always bothered me was mismatch. Specifically, mismatching a minority’s academic achievement with the institutional average. So, a minority gets into MIT but struggles to achieve passing grades because everyone else has much higher standardized testing scores. Diversity is always tricky because sometimes it comes down to only diversity of appearance, but there’s a lot to diversity.

    The ruling was anticipated. O’Connor had predicted AA would no longer be needed in 2028. The urgency to break down barriers and make up for discrimination stealing opportunity seems to have passed. Society is not perfect but opportunity is much different today than it was in 1960. Recognizing progress and how we view race is a good thing. Doing AA at all was always controversial….and stopping it would also be controversial. Once you have a group right, it becomes entrenched and hard to remove. Universities are always pushed to create a student body that reflects America. To achieve critical mass. Economic disadvantage always seemed like the better way to ensure an opportunity for someone who has a solid academic record…whether that’s for someone from Appalachia or Detroit.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  250. @354 oof… I was going from memory, thanks for the correction. I think I was remembering a hypothetical during arguments.

    whembly (5f7596)

  251. DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:13 am

    Orphans, foster children, or those “raised in bad circumstances” can show promise by receiving top grades. They shouldn’t gain an advantage just because of their “stories.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  252. My opinion of these affirmative action circuses has not changed since Bakke, when I had yet to apply for law school. If you need to sue to get into an elite school, the odds are that you don’t really belong there.

    nk (6570dc)

  253. @260

    My opinion of these affirmative action circuses has not changed since Bakke, when I had yet to apply for law school. If you need to sue to get into an elite school, the odds are that you don’t really belong there.

    nk (6570dc) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:33 am

    Yeah, I don’t agree with that.

    The petitioners had amazing academic and social pedigree that were extremely deserving to be accepted an any elite schools. They were obviously denied based on their race only.

    whembly (5f7596)

  254. I would agree with you if we had good public schools, but we don’t. Students at some schools get a big leg up on college admissions (but not necessarily performance). Colleges will end up with the kids in the top high schools getting first choice unless the life stories are considered.

    I don’t think the Highland Parks of Chicago and Dallas have enough great minds to deserve all those spots. But there are students in low performing schools who *might* be able to make it.

    Having said that, I would like college admissions to be based on the students’ SAT scores, but that ship has sailed.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  255. If you need to sue to get into an elite school, the odds are that you don’t really belong there.

    nk (6570dc) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:33 am

    I’m sure Asian-Americans with top grades who have been denied admittance to elite universities in favor of lesser-qualified applicants would disagree.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  256. Colleges will end up with the kids in the top high schools getting first choice…..

    I have no problem with that.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  257. Having said that, I would like college admissions to be based on the students’ SAT scores, but that ship has sailed.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:41 am

    Perhaps this decision will prompt their return.

    norcal (8b5267)

  258. US NEWS rankings did a great job making colleges care about GPAs and SATs. More of that would be good.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  259. Not me, Rip. There are some great kids in those schools, and some entitled rich kids.

    Norcal,, some schools will. Texas A&M but not UT Austin, sadly.

    DRJ (fd3827)

  260. @261

    I would agree with you if we had good public schools, but we don’t. Students at some schools get a big leg up on college admissions (but not necessarily performance). Colleges will end up with the kids in the top high schools getting first choice unless the life stories are considered.

    I don’t think the Highland Parks of Chicago and Dallas have enough great minds to deserve all those spots. But there are students in low performing schools who *might* be able to make it.

    Having said that, I would like college admissions to be based on the students’ SAT scores, but that ship has sailed.

    DRJ (fd3827) — 6/29/2023 @ 9:41 am

    I think unstated, people are trying to “fix” something. The debate is WHERE it should be done.

    I think we all can agree that race-based admission policies are wrong. SO, how do we ensure that people of all race, creed or nationality can have a ‘fighting’ chance at one of the elite institutions?

    It’s start with education in all facet of that child’s life – if there are under performing schools, advocate to fund students, rather than school.

    Point being, redressing failures in the past by actually instituting systemic racist admission polices is the wrong method to “fix” those failures.

    whembly (5f7596)

  261. Not me, Rip. There are some great kids in those schools, and some entitled rich kids.

    If the “entitled rich kids” have the grades to make it into college, that’s fine. If not, then they shouldn’t.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  262. how do we ensure that people of all race, creed or nationality can have a ‘fighting’ chance at one of the elite institutions?

    Attending an elite university is an earned privilege, not a right. Government shouldn’t “ensure” a fighting chance, it is up to the student’s performance. And public schools aren’t the only option, there are plenty of private schools (both religious and secular) that can provide an education that would qualify them to attend an “elite institution.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  263. The elite only compete with other elite.

    nk (234cb7)

  264. The elite get the grades they pay for. That is why I like the SAT.

    DRJ (2046b4)

  265. The only discrimination that should be allowed is academic achievement.

    So, if two students submit SAT scores of 1500 they should be treated the same, with no other factors? Even if one of them got his education at a public high school in Watts and the other got theirs at Exeter and had all the tutors and test coaches his super-rich parents could buy?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  266. Having said that, I would like college admissions to be based on the students’ SAT scores, but that ship has sailed.

    Alumni can make that ship sail back. Refuse to contribute, stating why, and stick to it.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  267. The only solution is for states to prohibit race as a factor. 9 states already do that.

    There are ways around that, but they all tilt away from race somewhat. In CA, the top 10%(?) of each high school graduating class is guaranteed admission to the UC system. Somewhere. That might not be Berkeley or UCLA though. But it combines race with economics and allows thouse who do well at bad schools a chance, even if that performance wouldn’t cut it at Beverly Hills High.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  268. So, if two students submit SAT scores of 1500 they should be treated the same, with no other factors? Even if one of them got his education at a public high school in Watts and the other got theirs at Exeter and had all the tutors and test coaches his super-rich parents could buy?

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/29/2023 @ 11:55 am

    Correct.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  269. ……..Even if one of them got his education at a public high school in Watts and the other got theirs at Exeter and had all the tutors and test coaches his super-rich parents could buy?

    Kevin M (2d6744) — 6/29/2023 @ 11:55 am

    Why do you want to discriminate against someone, who through no fault of their own, comes from a wealthy family?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  270. The real problem though is the grade schools, and perhaps even the grammar schools. Fail early and the rest does not matter. All these attempts to create avenues for advancement into college try to make excuses for this lack of early education. E.g.:

    “We have to stop requiring standardized tests because Black kids don’t do well on them!”

    Why? Because statistically they don’t have the expected knowledge, not that they can’t think. The public schools have failed them.

    If those liberal billionaires who meddle in the system really wanted to affect things they’d sponsor private academies in the inner-city with admission based on ability (I’d base it on reading ability at age 5). Admission open to all, but much cheaper to those in certain zip codes.

    But I expect they’ll sink their money into equity initiatives for adults.

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  271. Why do you want to discriminate against someone, who through no fault of their own, comes from a wealthy family?

    It’s only “discrimination” after you put on the blinders. There are meaningful factors other than test scores. Such as motivation and degree of difficulty.

    Would you judge all high dives by the size of the splash?

    Kevin M (2d6744)

  272. This is Roberts’ Court. For him, every change is incremental. I suspect he even tried to put the brakes on overturning Roe v Wade.

    DRJ (22eb3c)

  273. It’s only “discrimination” after you put on the blinders. There are meaningful factors other than test scores. Such as motivation and degree of difficulty.

    The only meaningful factor is academic excellence, of which test scores and grades are the best markers. Nothing else matters.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)


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