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5/5/2023

Weekend Open Thread

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:59 am



[guest post by Dana]

Let’s go!

First news item

President Zelensky has denied Russia’s claims that Ukraine was responsible for the drone attack over the Kremlin:

VOLODYMYR ZELENSKY: You know, I can repeat– repeat this message, and I think it will– at least will be understandable for– for everybody. We don’t attack Putin or Moscow. We fight on our territory. We are defending our villages and cities.

We don’t have, you know, enough weapons for this. That’s why we don’t use it anywhere. For us, that is the deficit. We can’t spend it. And we didn’t attack Putin. We’ll leave it to tribunal.

Meanwhile, Russia is also accusing the U.S. of masterminding the attack:

On Thursday, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said the US was “undoubtedly” behind the alleged attack, without providing evidence.

“Decisions on such attacks are not made in Kyiv, but in Washington,” Mr Peskov said.

The U.S. has, of course, forcefully denied having any role in the event.

The two obvious explanations for the event:

1) It was a Russian false flag operation (which is what Ukraine claims)
2) Ukraine sent the drone (which is what Russia claims)

Of course, while both Russia and Ukraine could be lying, I just don’t see how sending a drone over the Kremlin benefits Ukraine. So I was glad to see Timothy Snyder address this:

Ukrainian[s]…would have nothing to gain from such an operation, and very much to lose. Their allies already deny them weapons on the grounds that they might use them to attack Moscow. Such a high-profile Ukrainian attack would thus hurt Ukraine by making it less likely that they get the supplies they need to win the war and stop the killing in their own country. The question of Ukrainian motivation tends to lead us back to the Russians.

With regard to Ukraine’s claims that they don’t have the capabilities to send drones to Moscow:

[L]et us assume the Ukrainians are lying…and do have the capability to carry out operations in Moscow. Even if all of that were true, would such a special Ukrainian team then expend such a capability and reveal its own existence by attacking a symbolically resonant but operationally meaningless target — a flag tower on top of a building? That doesn’t make much sense. If they were to take such a risk, they would do something meaningful.

Snyder goes on to point out why it is likely a Russian false flag operation, despite their denials:

Why would Russia stage the Kremlin incident? That is the easy part: to try to rally Russians to support the war, and to claim that Russia is its true victim and is permitted to do whatever it wants. Russian propaganda television used the incident to call for war crimes measures. Russia’s former president, Dmitri Medvedev, called for the murder of Ukraine’s president. The day after the attacks, Russia’s own press spokesman said essentially the same thing, in less wild language: this gives us permission to “retaliate” in Ukraine. In other words, the idea is the reframe the narrative so that Putin and Russia are the victims….

There is a final reason why Russia might have staged such an incident at this moment. On May 9, there were to have been the usual parades in Moscow and throughout Russia, celebrating the victory of the Red Army in the Second World War. Traditionally, Russians carry photographs of relatives who fought and died then. Horrifying numbers of young Russian men have died in Ukraine. If Russians marching on 9 May carried photographs of those loved ones, the men killed in this war, things could get out of control. Russians might look at one another and realize the scale of the calamity their leader has brought to them. Russian authorities are hastily cancelling those marches. Staging an attack on the Kremlin gives them an excuse to do so.

Note too that after the Kremlin was hit, Ukrainian cities reported widespread bombardments.

Anyway, here is another interesting view:

Whereas, for the average Russian, I’d imagine the takeaway from a drone exploding over the Kremlin isn’t, “We must have revenge on Ukraine.” It’s, “Putin can’t even protect the seat of government from Ukrainian attack. He’s weaker than we thought.”

Which, of course, is precisely why Ukraine might want to execute such an attack. They weren’t trying to assassinate the czar; they can’t afford to do that, as an escalation that momentous would spook their American patrons and risk ending Western support. But sending a drone to buzz the Kremlin a few days before Victory Day is a pithy way of demonstrating how badly Russia’s winter offensive has failed. Not only aren’t the Ukrainians licked, they’re capable of delivering payloads to the enemy’s capital if they want to.

It’s the Doolittle Raid, in other words, except in this case the good guys can’t take credit since even a symbolic incursion by Ukraine into Russia’s capital might make the White House jittery. Better for Zelensky and his aides to maintain plausible deniability.

Second news item

A.I. poses problems:

Top scientists and tech experts are calling on the federal government to restrain ChatGPT following the development of its new version, ChatGPT-4, which achieves top scores on common standardized tests.

ChatGPT-4, the new model released in March, can score in the 93rd percentile in SAT reading, 89th percentile in SAT math, and can achieve the highest score on multiple AP subject exams, according to OpenAI’s website.

The software also passed a simulated bar exam with a score around the top 10 percent of test takers and “is more reliable, creative, and able to handle much more nuanced instructions than GPT-3.5,” according to the site.

Further problems:

The major ethical challenges for human societies AI poses are presented well in the excellent introductions by Vincent Müller (2020), Mark Coeckelbergh (2020), Janina Loh (2019), Catrin Misselhorn (2018) and David Gunkel (2012). Regardless of the possibility of construing AGI, autonomous AI systems already raise substantial ethical issues: for example, the machine bias in law, making hiring decisions by means of smart algorithms, racist and sexist chatbots, or non-gender-neutral language translations (see section 2.c.). The very idea of a machine ‘imitating’ human intelligence—which is one common definition of AI—gives rise to worries about deception, especially if the AI is built into robots designed to look or act like human beings (Boden et al. 2017; Nyholm and Frank 2019). Moreover, Rosalind Picard rightly claims that ‘the greater the freedom of a machine, the more it will need moral standards’ (1997: 19). This substantiates the claim that all interactions between AI systems and human beings necessarily entail an ethical dimension

Third news item

Oh look:

Tucker Carlson, the former Fox News prime-time host whose exit from the network sent shockwaves through political media last week, is reportedly floating the idea of hosting a Republican primary forum…

Carlson has even chatted about the idea with former President Trump, according to the report, who has threatened to skip one or both of the first Republican debates that are scheduled for the summer. The first GOP debate is slated to be hosted by Carlson’s former network, Fox News.

Carlson’s contract with Fox News reportedly runs through the end of 2024, which could limit his ability to dip his toes into other ventures until then.

Totally unsurprising:

The first Republican presidential debate is at least three months away, but Donald Trump is already stirring the pot.

He first declared last week on Truth Social that he’s inclined to skip one or both of the first two debates, and he blamed media hostility:

“When you’re leading by seemingly insurmountable numbers, and you have hostile Networks with angry, TRUMP & MAGA hating anchors asking the ‘questions,’ why subject yourself to being libeled and abused?”

That seemed like a pretty forceful statement that he’s going to blow off the early debates – the first one on Fox News, set for August – despite the schedule set by the RNC.

The former president soon offered a different explanation during a New Hampshire swing: “I have people at one half of 1%, one quarter of 1%, 1%, 3%, 2%, 4%, 7%. And Desanctis (sic) is very low and crashing… We’re at 60 and 70%. Why would you do that?”

Fourth news item

Border news. While President Biden will be sending 1,500 active-duty military personnel to the U.S.-Mexico border to do administrative work, thus freeing up Border Patrol officers to do their jobs, a bipartisan piece of legislation is in the works:

A Trump-era policy is set to expire next week, sparking warnings of an increase of migrants along the southern border. And now, a bipartisan pair of senators is trying to buy the Biden administration more time.

Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) are working on legislation that would grant a temporary two-year authority to expel migrants from the United States similar to what is currently allowed under Title 42, a law that permits the U.S. to deny asylum and migration claims for public health reasons.

Sorry, but I’m sick today and this is the best I can do.

Have a great weekend!

–Dana

475 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (560c99)

  2. The two obvious explanations for the event:

    1) It was a Russian false flag operation (which is what Ukraine claims)
    2) Ukraine sent the drone (which is what Russia claims)

    Let’s not overlook the possible role that Andorra might have played in all of this. They are a treacherous people, all 80,000 of them.

    I hope you feel better, Dana.

    JVW (3e0f6c)

  3. The two obvious explanations for the event…

    There are other possibilities, such as (1) Russians who are sickened by Putin’s war and trying to embarrass or topple him, (2) Ukrainian partisans not affiliated with the Ukrainian government.
    I would put the above two possibilities ahead of the cesspool that is Andorra.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  4. Hunter Biden laptop letter recruitment email wanted to give Joe Biden a debate ‘talking point’

    EXCLUSIVE – A recruitment email sent by Mike Morell, co-author of the infamous Hunter Biden laptop letter, wanted former intelligence officials to become signatories to help give Joe Biden a “talking point” during a crucial presidential debate against Donald Trump.

    The revelation comes after Morell, the former Obama CIA acting director, admitted that now-Secretary of State Antony Blinken “triggered” him to write the October 2020 laptop letter.

    The recruitment email from Morell was sent to former intelligence officials and included the laptop letter co-authored by him and former senior CIA operations officer Marc Polymeropoulos as an attachment….

    Morell has previously testified that one of the reasons he helped put the letter together was to help Joe Biden “because I wanted him to win the election.”

    Mark Zaid, an attorney representing Polymeropoulos and a number of other laptop letter signers, also told the media last month that “when the draft was sent out to people to sign, the cover email made clear that it was an effort to help the Biden campaign.”

    BuDuh (1ce8aa)

  5. Here’s a comment that I left on the NRO version of the border story about the Sinema-Tillis legislation. Keep in mind that they would likely need to have 60 votes in order to force Chuck Schumer to bring it to the Senate floor for a vote:

    Here are the Dems, and the independents who caucus with the Dems (denoted with *), up for reelection in 2024:
    *Sinema – AZ
    (open) – CA
    Murphy – CT
    Carper – DE
    Hirono – HI
    *King – ME
    (open) – MD
    Warren – MA
    (open) – MI
    Klobuchar – MN
    Tester – MT
    Rosen – NV
    Menendez – NJ
    Heinrich – NM
    Gillibrand – NY
    Brown – OH
    Casey – PA
    Whitehouse – RI
    *Sanders – VT
    Kaine – VA
    Cantwell – WA
    Manchin – WV
    Baldwin – WI

    At best, I count eight (Sinema, King, Tester, Rosen, Heinrich, Brown, Casey, Manchin) who might join with the GOP, not enough to get to that 60 vote threshold. I doubt that the retiring Senators (Feinstein, Cardin, Stabenow) will cross leadership in their final year. Thus, I’m not too optimistic about this.

    So sadly, I think a true bipartisan solution is not going to happen, because it would vex the hard left open borders Democrats. I hope to be proven wrong.

    JVW (5b7eeb)

  6. Get well, Dana. Vitamin D, C, and Zinc for the win.

    BuDuh (1ce8aa)

  7. I would put the above two possibilities ahead of the cesspool that is Andorra.

    Another apologist for the treachery of the Andorrans. Has everyone forgotten the role they played in the attempted assassination of Gerald Ford by Squeaky Fromme?

    JVW (8da2de)

  8. Dana – I hope it is nothing serious, and you are completely over it — soon.

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  9. It’s Covid.

    Dana (560c99)

  10. Feinstein might be worth crossing fingers on and dragging along- a la the McCain Obamacare vote. Hubby would make money somehow. And Stab Me Wow was always the principaled/UAW token no vote on these type of bills back in the 2000s and 2010s.

    urbanleftbehind (aa841f)

  11. 62 years ago today: May 5, 1961– when the U.S. was challenged to be great, tens of millions of Americans stopped, watched and listened– along with much of the Free World– as “Jose’ was sent ‘on his way…’

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMptAi6Z8io

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Qd-t3vFsxc

    DCSCA (4ab320)

  12. @10

    It’s Covid.

    Dana (560c99) — 5/5/2023 @ 9:26 am

    Lots of rest and lots of fluid Dana!

    Get better!

    whembly (d116f3)

  13. Whereas, for the average Russian, I’d imagine the takeaway from a drone exploding over the Kremlin isn’t, “We must have revenge on Ukraine.” It’s, “Putin can’t even protect the seat of government from Ukrainian attack. He’s weaker than we thought.”

    …which is why they blamed the United States

    Sammy Finkelman (34ae93)

  14. Sad!

    Lawyers for failed Arizona gubernatorial candidate Kari Lake have been ordered to pay sanctions for making what the state supreme court called “false factual statements” during Lake’s ongoing litigation over unproven claims of interference in the state’s 2022 election.
    …………
    “Candidates are free to timely challenge election procedures and results, and the public has a strong interest in ensuring the integrity of elections,” Chief Justice Robert Brutinel wrote in the ruling. “Sometimes campaigns and their attendant hyperbole spill over into legal challenges. But once a contest enters the judicial arena, rules of attorney ethics apply.”
    ………
    “[S]he has repeatedly asserted that it is an ‘undisputed’ fact that 35,563 ballots were added or ‘injected’ at Runbeck, the third-party vendor,” the ruling says. “Not only is that allegation strongly disputed by the other parties, this Court concluded and expressly stated that the assertion was unsupported by the record, and nothing in Lake’s Motion for Leave to file a motion for reconsideration provides reason to revisit that issue. Thus, asserting that the alleged fact is ‘undisputed’ is false; yet Lake continues to make that assertion in her Motion for Leave.”
    ……….
    “[M]ore to the point here, this was certainly disputed by the Respondents,” Brutinel wrote. “The representation that this was an ‘undisputed fact’ is therefore unequivocally false.”

    Having noted that sanctions against attorneys may be appropriate if a their actions have affected “public confidence in our judicial system” and when the “truth-seeking function of our adjudicative process is unjustifiably hindered,” Brutinel said that Lake’s lawyers, in this case, met that bar.
    ………
    The $2,000 must be paid within 10 days.
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  15. $2000!!!!!! OH NOOOOO!!!!!!

    This is a terrible setback….

    Any wins for Lake in the ruling?

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  16. Sens. Kyrsten Sinema (I-Ariz.) and Thom Tillis (R-N.C.) are working on legislation that would grant a temporary two-year authority to expel migrants from the United States similar to what is currently allowed under Title 42, a law that permits the U.S. to deny asylum and migration claims for public health reasons.

    Fact: Biden wanted to scrap Title 42 while he still had the authority to use it

    so, to say that this will “buy the Biden administration more time” is just another media lie

    JF (958c58)

  17. Trump was banned from social media, but how dare he skip debates on national teevee.

    JF (529073)

  18. Meanwhile, Biden can’t even hold an unscripted presser in front of a fawning press corps

    JF (529073)

  19. Russian and Prigozhin are losing Bakhmut, so they’re resorting to white phosphorus for incendiary purposes, which is a war crime.

    Regarding the drone “attack” on the Kremlin, Laughing Wolf has some options:

    So, to my mind, it comes down to two choices. An act of provocation by the ultranationalists; or, a false flag by the government.

    For the first, there are several groups that have been pushing to go all in, from some of the Russian milbloggers to a variety of politicians. I could easily see some of them launching such an “attack” and doing a bit of self-destruct to prevent doing any real damage. They understand how this will be perceived by the government and the public, and wanted to provide that opportunity to the government.

    On the second, it is very easy to see Vladimir doing something like this so he can escalate things. After all, after blowing up apartment buildings to gain power this is nothing. Send them in, have them heroically destroyed at the last possible moment, and you have an excuse to escalate. It fits in cultural and political constraints.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  20. Trump was banned from social media, but how dare he skip debates on national teevee.

    What has one got to do with the other?

    Dana (560c99)

  21. BuDuh (eaef9b) — 5/5/2023 @ 11:45 am

    Sarcasm aside, the sanctions should have been 10x the amount to be meaningful.

    Lake is still a loser.

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  22. Trump was banned from social media, but how dare he skip debates on national teevee.

    JF (529073) — 5/5/2023 @ 12:38 pm

    Why should Gulliver debate the Lilliputians?

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  23. Kari Lake, Political Kingmaker

    Arizona Republican Kari Lake has delivered a not-so-subtle message to Gov. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), saying if he “wants a political future,” he should sit out the 2024 presidential election.

    ………… Her comments come on the heels of Trump sharing a post on his Truth Social platform that claims there isn’t “one true Trump supporter” who would vote for DeSantis if he wins the GOP presidential primary.
    ………..
    Lake expanded on her concerns during a recent podcast with former Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani on his radio show.. ………..
    “I think DeSantis’s political career is in trouble if he doesn’t get smart,” Lake said. “He has been an effective governor — there is no double about it. He has been effective. The people just voted him in. Can you imagine if you were just voted in for your second term as mayor of New York and, within weeks, you were already plotting and planning your next [venture]?”

    ………..(She) added: “All I’m saying is I really believe DeSantis needs to realize that if he wants to have a political future he needs to wait until 2028. I think he could if he does the right thing and handles it. I think if DeSantis was to back out now, it would be really smart for him to do that. He’s got a big career ahead of him, and the question is, does he want a big political career? If he does, I think he backs out now and supports Trump wholeheartedly and then continues to run Florida.”
    ………….
    Lake downplayed the idea of being Trump’s running mate on Kimberly Guilfoyle’s eponymous Rumble show, saying she was still focused on challenging the outcome of the Arizona governor’s race.

    “Once it runs through the courts, then I’ll make my next move, and hopefully, my next move is moving into the governor’s office,” she said. “But if for some reason it’s so far gone, then I certainly will look at the Senate race.”
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  24. Feel better.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  25. Ouch!

    …………
    By mimicking former president Donald Trump’s mockery of Ron DeSantis as “sanctimonious” and supporting the Disney Corporation in its feud with the Florida governor over its woke policies, Haley is kissing up to the current frontrunner. Helping Trump attack DeSantis may seem like smart politics. But since her campaign remains stuck in the low single digits, despite years of working towards her presidential goal, it’s just as likely that Haley is only validating those who have said all along that her only realistic shot is to become Trump’s running mate.

    That might make her the Republican equivalent to Vice President Kamala Harris. ……….
    ……….
    Those Republicans who are siding with Disney, as Haley did by inviting the company to move its Orlando theme parks to South Carolina ………simply fail to grasp that the neo-Marxist woke campaign to tear down our history and values is an even greater threat to the country’s future than Biden.
    ………..
    ……….. Anyone who claims to want to roll back the woke tide can’t also be with Disney.
    ……….
    ……….(A)s crucial as the identity of the GOP nominee will be, it pales beside the question of whether Republicans will embrace, as DeSantis has done, so-called culture war issues like the battle with Disney. Those Republicans who embrace this challenge are derided as extremists. But issues like the sexualization of children and the disastrous consequences of gender madness and critical race theory are actually far more important than concerns about budgets and spending.

    ………….. Haley is smart enough to understand the stakes but is either too cynical or too wedded to establishment concerns to join DeSantis on the front lines defending traditional values against Disney.
    …………….

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  26. “It might not matter whom Republicans run for president in 2024.
    America’s propaganda press traffics in disinformation. Its Big Tech oligarchs censor news and information helpful to conservatives, while elevating biased news and information that helps the Left. And its election systems have been overrun by privately funded groups that run Democratic “get out the vote” campaigns to traffic ballots into ballot boxes. We catalogued this particularly complex problem in Rigged: How the Media, Big Tech, and the Democrats Seized Our Elections.

    Instead of election day, we now have an “election season”–during which, over a period of months, we flood homes across the country with tens of millions of mail-in ballots, regardless of whether secretaries of state or local registrars have any idea if those ballots are being sent to the correct addresses. This in a country where 11% of residents move every year. We then wait for sophisticated partisan turnout operations funded by activist billionaires and run by ideological statisticians to round up those ballots in entirely selective ways.

    This culminates with us all glued to our TVs on a Tuesday evening in November listening to “journalists” who spent the months leading up to the election smothering any accurate information about the state of the country with a pillow, making empty judgments about the health of American democracy based entirely on how much the results will further advance policies that favor a toxic admixture of their own corporate paymasters and woke Montagnards.”

    https://americanmind.org/salvo/unrigging-our-elections/

    Colonel Haiku (517275)

  27. The two obvious explanations for the event:

    1) It was a Russian false flag operation (which is what Ukraine claims)
    2) Ukraine sent the drone (which is what Russia claims)

    Two more:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/04/world/europe/kremlin-drone-explosions-analysis.html

    Or was it executed by neither government, but by local Russian partisans opposed to the war, or rogue Ukrainian saboteurs?

    m It wasn’t the Ukrainian government because when it has done secret attacks in Russia, officials talk about it in a different way, and also this makes no sense.

    It wasn’t anything like an assassination attempt.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  28. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/05/teachers-union-goes-full-communist-n548657

    The headline is not hyperbole. The Colorado Education Association has actually adopted a resolution committing the organization to fight capitalism as a fundamentally exploitative economic system that must be destroyed.

    The Colorado Education Association is the state’s affiliate to the National Education Association, the country’s largest teachers’ union. The NEA has long been a left-wing organization utterly unconcerned with the actual education of students, but in the past, it has at least claimed that its goal was at least marginally related to education.

    Now it is a full-blown admitted communist front group. At least they admitted it in Colorado.

    NJRob (ce79be)

  29. @10…Dana, would you consider sharing your “vaccination” status with us?

    Horatio (3fb8b5)

  30. A possible Russian government motive is to have a plausible excuse to cancel May 9 parades where families of veterans typically carry pictures of soldiers who died.

    If this was done for the current war, in many places people would be shocked by the number of deaths.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  31. 29. A front for ghosts?

    Or something else?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  32. Trump Civil Litigation Watch, NYT Loser Edition:

    A New York state court judge schooled Donald Trump in the high cost of misunderstanding media law Wednesday by dismissing the former president’s lawsuit against the New York Times then ordering Trump to foot the bill for the defense’s legal fees.

    Trump sued the newspaper and his niece, Mary Trump, over a 2018 article entitled “Trump Engaged in Suspect Tax Schemes as He Reaped Riches from His Father.” ………..Trump later sued the Pulitzer board for recognizing journalists for their coverage of his misdeeds — a lawsuit deemed “cartoonishly vexatious” by legal experts.
    …………
    ………..,(Trump) sued the newspaper for tortious interference with contract and unjust enrichment, claiming that Mary Trump and reporters Susanne Craig, David Barstow, and Russell Buettner, forged “an insidious plot” to divulge his private records for for the award-winning story. Trump claimed in his court filing that his niece and the Times “were motivated by a personal vendetta and their desire to gain fame, notoriety, acclaim and a financial windfall and were further intended to advance their political agenda.”
    …………..
    (Justice Robert R. Reed of the State Supreme Court in Manhattan) smacked down Trump’s case against the paper as precisely what is forbidden by New York’s 1992 anti-SLAPP statute — the law that prohibits meritless lawsuits filed simply to chill free speech via threat of costly litigation. ………
    …………
    “Plaintiff does not cite a single case where any court, whether state or federal, has held that a reporter is liable for inducing his or her source to breach a confidentiality provision,” wrote Reed.

    Reed continued and said even if the Times’ reporting would have constituted tortious interference with Trump’s settlement agreement, it was justified by the need to report on a newsworthy story — and that justification is an “absolute defense.”
    ………….
    Reed also made short work of Trump’s claim that the Times was “unjustly enriched” at his expense. Reed called Trump’s claim “vague” and noted that Trump “refus[ed] to identify the harm he suffered,” and concluded that these failures alone warrant dismissal of the dubious claim. ……..
    …………
    Alina Habba, Trump’s lawyer, said in a statement that “we will weigh our client’s options and continue to vigorously fight on his behalf,” though she did not say whether she planned to appeal Reed’s ruling.
    ########

    While Justice Reed’s ruling did not apply to Mary Trump, it does discuss the fact that she legally obtained the tax files from her own lawyer, and that as the client she was the legal owner of the records. Further, the prohibition on releasing tax records only applies to the government, not private parties.

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  33. @30

    …Dana, would you consider sharing your “vaccination” status with us?

    Horatio (3fb8b5) — 5/5/2023 @ 2:37 pm

    That matters… why?

    whembly (d116f3)

  34. Get well quick, Dana. A good friend of mine who came down with it snarfed a lot of Gatorade, and it seemed to help.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  35. @10…Dana, would you consider sharing your “vaccination” status with us?

    Horatio (3fb8b5) — 5/5/2023 @ 2:37 pm

    That’s a rather impertinent question, and it smells like some kind of trap to score points off of.

    There is plenty of data out there regarding Covid and vaccines.

    Feel better soon, Dana! Read, rest, and hydrate.

    norcal (15fce4)

  36. https://www.city-journal.org/article/race-and-gender-narcissism-at-the-university-of-texas

    The University of Texas has created a radical DEI bureaucracy that equates “objectivity” with “white supremacy,” recommends the word “wimmin” as a replacement for “women,” and affirms “polyamory” and “polyfidelity” as positive sexual identities.

    I have obtained a cache of documents through public-records requests revealing the DEI bureaucracy’s stunning conquest of Texas’s flagship state university.

    The transformation began in the aftermath of the George Floyd riots, when university officials adopted the narrative of critical race theory, arguing that America was saturated with “white supremacy.” During this period, UT’s College of Communication promoted the idea that “objectivity,” “individualism,” and “worship of the written word” were all “characteristics of white supremacy culture.” As a professor of educational psychology and African and African Diaspora Studies explained, “white supremacy is so pernicious . . . it is responsible for virtually every ill that we see within our communities.”

    This narrative justified a massive expansion of “diversity, equity, and inclusion” programming. The university’s DEI bureaucracy has now embedded itself within virtually every administrative and academic unit. These programs employ dozens of full-time staff and organize hundreds of seminars, trainings, courses, reports, student groups, and political activism.

    More communist indoctrination in our supposed institutions of education.

    NJRob (7a555b)

  37. Not THAT Jose Padilla:

    ………..
    Testifying in his own defense, Padilla conceded he was guilty of some crimes but said he wasn’t guilty of others. He insisted that the violent rhetoric he posted online about the Capitol attack wasn’t reality-based but was for “internet cool points.” He said that exaggeration was part of “gaming subculture” and that he engaged in “heated political rhetoric” because he liked to “shock people.” He said he was trying to fit in with the community of Trump supporters (known as “TheDonald” which no longer exists).

    “If we could have occupied the Capitol, we could have invoked the right given to us in the 2nd paragraph of the Declaration of Independence,” Padilla wrote after the attack, referring to part of the declaration that states people have the right and the duty to “alter or to abolish” a government and “institute new government” when it becomes a destructive force.

    “We would have been in the Seat of Power. All we would need to do is declare our grievances with the government and dissolve the legislature, and replace it with Patriots who were there. Then simply re-adopt the Constitution with amendments added to secure future Federal elections,” Padilla wrote.
    ………
    “My conscious is clear,” he wrote. “Treason my ass. Keep on being jealous that I’m not a cowardly worm.” Padilla wrote that he thought he would die in the fray on Jan. 6 but that “God was on my side.”

    ……….. He testified that when he called officers at the Capitol oath breakers, he meant that he thought they were breaking their oath by not allowing rioters to go inside the building.

    ………. Padilla testified that he wasn’t talking about overthrowing the government or killing politicians, as he had discussed extensively online. Instead, he told Bates, the judge, under oath, the mob would have entered the Capitol to “convince legislators” to “adopt constitutional amendments” and get Trump in for a second term, when, Padilla said, he believed Trump would “fire everyone he could legally fire” and probably fire some people illegally, too.
    …………..

    Padilla was convicted of the following felonies:


    •civil disorder (two counts)
    •assaulting, impeding, or resisting officers;
    •assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers with a dangerous weapon;
    •obstruction of an official proceeding;
    •entering and remaining in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon;
    •disorderly and disruptive conduct in a restricted building or grounds with a deadly or dangerous weapon; and
    •engaging in physical violence in a restricted building or grounds with a dangerous weapon.

    He was also convicted of two misdemeanors: disorderly conduct in the Capitol grounds or buildings and an act of physical violence in the Capitol grounds or buildings.

    The other Jose Padilla is safely imprisoned in ADX Florence, also known as Supermax or the or “the Alcatraz of the Rockies” (at least until 2026).

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  38. The unemployment rates dropped lightly again, making this a good time to mention the April 15th Economist cover story.

    Titled “Riding High: The lessons of America’s astonishing economy”. The Economist describes, in considerable detail, how the US has pulled ahead of competitors since 1990. For example: Despite the rise of China, India, and other developing nations, the US still has about 1/4 of the global GDP, which means that the US has gained, while Japan and the EU, for example, have lost ground, relatively.

    (As free traders would, the magazine worries that we may be losing our competitive advantages.)

    I have worried about our nation for decades, as have many others, but we can only clarify our thinking if we sometimes ask: Compared to who?

    (For instance, if there is a long-term solution to China’s demographic problems, it is not evident to me.

    Their work force is already shrinking, having lost, net, about 40 million workers inthe last three years.)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  39. “slightly”, not “lightly”

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  40. @36 – No trap, just curious. I ask everyone who gets COVID these days the same question. Just hear the answer, it goes no further, and I don’t shake my head when they say they’re “vaccinated”. No recriminations, no argument, no gotcha.

    My own private poll

    Horatio (3fb8b5)

  41. I’m reposting this for comment from another thread

    Unique marketing campaign from a Russian businessman/warlord
    https://twitter.com/i/status/1654300206328864769

    steveg (3b0381)

  42. Horatio

    I got Covid after being vaccinated, boosted. I’ve been sicker and for longer with other things like the flu. I work outdoors, and most of my work is in or outside (3-8 feet) the range of what was called social distancing, so I don’t get sick very often. I can go years without cold or flu. That said, I did need cervical fusion surgery a couple years back so I guess its a trade off.
    I much preferred COVID to the condition that led to cervical fusion. COVID was easier than pre surgery, post surgery. I much preferred a very bad cold to constant burning gnawing pain punctuated by lightning bolts that only some oxycontin formulation could dull

    steveg (3b0381)

  43. I laughed. (Who doesn’t love some 19th-century-German-mathematician-emotional-intelligence humor?)

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  44. Not the first time a math nerd didn’t read the room, lurker. Good story.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  45. I’ve told the story here before where the lawyer didn’t read the math nerd in the jury box during voir dire. “Oh you are a math professor at UCSB? You must be good with numbers..” She says “Oh, no, that is a very common misconception, we primarily deal with symbols….” Lawyer tries to make the pain stop, opposing counsel is enjoying it all immensely. The opposing counsel would probably think she should do the eulogy, but truth was, it had already been delivered… to his career at least

    steveg (3b0381)

  46. After latest Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy convictions, Trump says Justice Dept. is ‘destroying lives’
    …………
    “Back in the USA, but sadly I see so many really bad things happening to our Country,” Trump, who broke ground earlier this week on a golf course in Scotland, wrote on Truth Social, his social media platform.

    “The DOJ and FBI are destroying the lives of so many Great American Patriots, right before our very eyes,” he wrote. “The Court System is a RUBBER STAMP for their conviction and imprisonment. All this while the Radical Left protects and coddles extremists and murderers at a level, and with intensity, never seen before. GET SMART AMERICA, THEY ARE COMING AFTER YOU!!!”
    …………..
    Trump has increasingly expressed solidarity with those arrested in connection with the Jan. 6 attack that injured more than 140 members of law enforcement and resulted in the deaths of five people.
    …………..
    In September, Trump said he would issue full pardons and a government apology to rioters who stormed the Capitol and violently attacked law enforcement to stop the democratic transfer of power. “I mean full pardons with an apology to many,” he said.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  47. Continuing evidence mounts that God is a woman:

    NASA Selects Emily Nelson as Chief Flight Director

    NASA has named Emily Nelson its new chief flight director, leading the group that directs human spaceflight missions from the Mission Control Center at the agency’s Johnson Space Center in Houston.

    Norm Knight, the agency’s director of flight operations, selected Nelson to replace Holly Ridings, who held the position from 2018 to 2022, and now helps lead the agency’s Gateway Program, an international partnership to establish humanity’s first space station orbiting the Moon. Nelson has been the acting chief flight director since Riding’s departure.

    “Being a flight director is about accepting great responsibility and exercising excellent leadership and judgment – responsibility for the mission, for your team, and for the astronauts we fly,” Knight said. “Emily’s tenure leading our flight control teams has proven that she is remarkably knowledgeable on the realities of human spaceflight and eminently composed when facing daunting challenges. She is unequivocally the right person to lead our flight director office as we endeavor to push the boundaries of human spaceflight exploration.”

    In this role, Nelson manages 31 active flight directors and flight directors-in-training who oversee a variety of human spaceflight missions involving the International Space Station, including integrating American-made commercial crew spacecraft into the fleet of spacecraft servicing the orbiting laboratory, as well as Artemis missions to the Moon.’ – https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-selects-emily-nelson-as-chief-flight-director

    Nobody- not even POTUS– can override Flight.

    “NASA’s original flight director Chris Kraft once said, “Flight is God.”

    DCSCA (a45012)

  48. @10…Dana, would you consider sharing your “vaccination” status with us?

    Say what?

    How about a heaping helping of MYOFB

    Patterico (bee212)

  49. I hope you feel better Dana.

    Nic (896fdf)

  50. (4) Hey they are soon to be democrat voters for AOC’s presidential run!

    asset (e0912d)

  51. Dana, hopefully it’s just a minor case and you will be back to full power soon

    AJ_Liberty (de2f99)

  52. The worst crime that Trump committed during his Presidency, against America, against men, against women, against children, against unborn babies, against all HUMANITY, at Warp Speed, was the Covid vaccine. That is undeniable.

    But why did he do it? That is inexplicable. Was it for money? From whom? Was it to impress a girl? Who? Was it out of envy of the Rothschilds-Soros Leftist Communist Globalist Liberal Conspiracy, with their climate-changing space lasers and mind-corrupting subliminal indoctrination devices in every public school?

    nk (3da6af)

  53. Get well soon, Dana!

    nk (3da6af)

  54. Another Misunderstood Tourist:

    A Pennsylvania welder who attacked police officers at the Capitol with a chair and then chemical spray was sentenced on Friday to slightly more than 14 years in prison, the most severe penalty handed down so far in connection with the events of Jan. 6, 2021.
    ………….
    (Peter) Schwartz was convicted at a trial in December of, among other acts, three counts of assault with a dangerous weapon, one count of interfering with law enforcement officers during a civil disorder and one of obstructing the certification of the election……..
    ………..
    Prosecutors claimed that the chair he hurled created an opening in the police line, enabling hundreds of other rioters to flood the terrace as police officers retreated. Mr. Schwartz, the prosecutors added, then stole a canister of pepper spray and other chemical munitions the police had left behind and used them “to attack those same officers as they desperately tried to escape the growing and increasingly violent mob.”

    Prosecutors noted that Mr. Schwartz was already on probation in at least one other case involving charges of assault and illegal firearms possession. Mr. Schwartz has had nearly 40 prior convictions over more than 30 years for crimes such as assault or threatening officers.
    ………….
    At the hearing, Mr. Schwartz’s lawyer, Dennis Boyle, argued that his client had been steered to the Capitol on Jan. 6 by the lies about fraud in the 2020 election told by former President Donald J. Trump and his allies. Mr. Schwartz knew little about the presidential race and got his information from bad media sources, the lawyer said, adding that the sentence prosecutors requested “reeks of revenge and retribution.”

    “There remain many grifters out there who remain free to continue propagating the ‘great lie’ that Trump won the election, Donald Trump being among the most prominent,” Mr. Boyle wrote in court papers filed last month. ………
    …………..

    Schwartz was convicted of:

    •Assaulting, Resisting, or Impeding Certain Officers Using a Dangerous Weapon (3 counts)
    •Civil Disorder;
    •Obstruction of an Official Proceeding;
    •Entering and Remaining in a Restricted Building or Grounds with a Deadly or Dangerous Weapon;
    •Disorderly and Disruptive Conduct in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
    •Impeding Ingress and Egress in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
    •Engaging in Physical Violence in a Restricted Building or Grounds;
    •Disorderly Conduct in a the Capitol Grounds or Buildings; •Impeding Passage Through the Capitol Grounds or Buildings; and
    •Act of Physical Violence in the Capitol Grounds or Buildings

    Indictment and Statement of Facts

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  55. How about a heaping helping of MYOFB

    How about a big helping of put your money where your mouth is if you advocated for the “vaccine”, took the shots, and got COVID. How about transparency from those who advocated for the “vaccine”, supported the insane government controls to “stop the spread” and the punitive actions taken by both the public and private sectors?

    Whether Dana was vaxxed or not, I can understand her refusal to provide info…if not vaxxed, she might be feeling regretful and and as such not offer her experience to those who refused the shots. If she was vaxxed, then she might be feeling embarrassed and angry that she fell for the government’s BS.

    I don’t know whether you or she promoted the insanity of the last couple of years, but if you did, you deserve scorn from those of us who were of the contrary opinion

    Horatio (3fb8b5)

  56. For the advocates of the government’s actions and what what ultimately transpired, don’t pull a Naomi Wolf seeking absolution, and hide behind “it’s none of your effing business”.

    Be a mensch. State what you did, accept that you were either correct or incorrect, and go from there.

    Horatio (3fb8b5)

  57. Another Misunderstood Tourist Group:

    Prosecutors are seeking the most severe sentence yet in connection with the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol — a 25-year prison term — for the founder and leader of the far-right Oath Keepers militia, characterizing it as a necessary punishment to deter future attacks against democracy.
    …………
    In seeking the stiff sentence for Rhodes — on a rare seditious conspiracy conviction — prosecutors said that lengthy sentences are necessary for the survival of American democracy.
    …………
    “These defendants were prepared to fight. Not for their country, but against it,” prosecutors wrote in their sentencing memo. “In their own words, they were ‘willing to die’ in a ‘guerilla war’ to achieve their goal of halting the transfer of power after the 2020 Presidential Election. … These defendants played a central and damning role in opposing by force the government of the United States, breaking the solemn oath many of them swore as members of the United States Armed Forces.”
    …………
    The other person convicted on the marquee charge was Kelly Meggs, a leader of the Florida Oath Keepers. Three Oath Keepers members tried with Rhodes and Meggs were acquitted of seditious conspiracy, but convicted on other felony charges.

    Four other Oath Keepers were convicted of seditious conspiracy at a second trial in January. And three more pleaded guilty to seditious conspiracy over the past year.
    …………..
    Prosecutors also announced in their Friday night submission that they are seeking similarly lengthy sentences for others convicted in the Oath Keepers trials to date, including: 21 years for Meggs, 18 years for Jessica Watkins, 17 years for Roberto Minuta, 17 years for Ed Vallejo, 15 years for Kenneth Harrelson and 14 years for Thomas Caldwell. Each of them would equal or exceed the lengthiest sentences given to Jan. 6 defendants so far.
    …………….
    Prosecutors arrived at those steep sentencing recommendations in part by labeling the actions of Rhodes and his co-conspirators “terrorism,” defined in the criminal code as “acts that were intended to influence the government through intimidation or coercion.” ………..

    Prosecutors also dinged Rhodes and several allies for participating in post-trial interviews in which they defended their actions on Jan. 6. Rhodes, in particular, they said “continues to invoke the words and deeds of the Founding Fathers in not-so-veiled calls for violent opposition to the government.”
    …………..

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  58. Russian Media Watch:

    Russian officials and state media breathlessly proclaimed that Ukraine launched an alleged drone strike on the Kremlin in an attempt to assassinate Russian President Vladimir Putin, who wasn’t even there. Anticipating that this incident will be perceived as Moscow’s false flag operation, the head of state-owned news channel RT, Margarita Simonyan, tweeted a short thread asserting that Russia would have done it more skillfully. She concluded, “No, it wasn’t us. Unfortunately.”

    Simonyan’s suspicions that Russia would be accused of staging the episode were well-founded: Moscow has more to gain from this event than Ukraine could have hoped to accomplish. ………

    Attempts to gin up public support have quickly reached a grotesque level on Vladimir Solovyov’s show, The Evening With Vladimir Solovyov, where the blame for the incident was immediately attributed to the United States. First, the program broadcast a meme featuring President Joe Biden walking alongside Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky, with the Kremlin ablaze behind them. Solovyov exclaimed: “Show the organizers! Here, look at them!”
    …………..
    Referring to the earlier statements of former Israeli Prime Minister Naftali Bennett, who said that he persuaded Putin to make a promise not to kill Zelensky, Russian political scientist Vladimir Kornilov expressed his hope that the alleged drone attack would render this guarantee null and void. He also suggested that Moscow should pull out of the deal allowing export of Ukrainian grain, since it does not benefit the Russian Federation.

    State Duma member Andrey Gurulyov, a former military commander, demanded more blood and not only that of Zelensky. “We should officially declare that all of the leadership of this terrorist nation is subject to being physically eliminated. We shouldn’t be shy about it. They simply shouldn’t exist on this earth,” he argued. “Let [Zelensky] hide and never be seen in public—and still he will be eliminated. It will be the main result when he is finally destroyed. When some say, ‘If we destroy Zelensky, there will be someone else,’ we will destroy the other one too! And the third one! And the fourth one! And the fifth one! After that, no one else will want that position.”
    …………..
    ………….. To Solovyov, the drone incident seemed like a convenient excuse to get rid of the city and its inhabitants, once and for all. The host advocated for Kyiv to be destroyed and clarified that he wasn’t talking about nuclear strikes—perhaps to be taken seriously, considering his propensity for threatening to nuke other countries on a weekly basis. Solovyov proposed: “We should calmly notify our American colleagues that this will be a non-nuclear strike and the city of Kyiv will cease to exist.”
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  59. Wow, just wow.

    AJ_Liberty (de2f99)

  60. How about a big helping of put your money where your mouth is if you advocated for the “vaccine”

    You lost me when you put “vaccine” in scare quotes, Horatio, which is just another flavor of anti-vax nuttery. The evidence is pretty clear that areas of the US with lower vaccination rates have higher death rates.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  61. https://thepostmillennial.com/denver-councilwoman-says-white-owned-businesses-should-pay-higher-taxes-and-excess-revenue-should-go-to-black-owned-businesses

    Denver City Council member Candi CdeBaca, who is reportedly running for re-election, has suggested that white-owned businesses should be taxed at a higher rate than black-owned businesses, and that this revenue should then be given directly to black-owned businesses.

    Her apparent justification for this is that white people have built what they have on “stolen land, stolen labor, and stolen resources.”

    In a recent video posted to TikTok, CdeBaca suggested that a one-time check in the form of reparations would not be enough to sufficiently address the three areas that white people have exploited to their advantage. She instead suggests that “there are structures that we have that could be flipped to begin to” address the issue of expoitation.

    Leftists are loud and proud speaking their racism. They aren’t shunned, but lead the Democrat party.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  62. https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/05/why-are-they-hiding-the-manifesto-n548600

    Remember the Covenant school shooting in Nashville?

    You are not supposed to. It is supposed to fade quietly into the background because, well, the facts are inconvenient to the Narrative™.

    Immediately after the horrific events we learned that there was a “manifesto” left behind by the shooter making it abundantly clear why she committed the act. In her last message to a friend, she also indicated that she left behind writings about why she committed evil acts.

    So far that manifesto has been withheld from public scrutiny. The powers that be don’t want you to see it.

    For a brief period, the authorities tried to reverse course and claim that there were only the ramblings of a disturbed person that made no sense. That was their first excuse for hiding what the shooter left behind.

    Nobody bought that for a number of reasons, so a fallback position soon emerged for why the tender eyes of the public must be protected from exposure to the rantings of a lunatic: the words are magically dangerous and hearing or reading them might make people spontaneously explode or something.

    No issues releasing the documents of the evil racists in Buffalo and South Carolina. That helped the goal of pretending there’s a racial divide within the nation.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  63. Russian Media Watch II:

    ……….
    (On Solovyov Live, host Roman Golovanov) said that the perennial tale (of David versus Goliath with) the underdog triumphing should be flipped around and that Russia “was in fact the David” because “at least 50 countries are against us with all of their weapons” supplied to Kyiv.

    Noting how Goliath’s forehead was pelted by rocks before falling down, Golovanov said the heroic protagonist snatched his sword and “cut off his head” before displaying the spoils of his victory to Jerusalem and King Saul.

    “In the same way, the head of this tiny druggie Goliath will also be carried away. There is no other way out of this,” said Golovanov, who described the Ukrainian leader at the start of the monologue as a “legitimate target for us.”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (a1e7d1)

  64. Every Statement is a Confession:

    When the Walt Disney Co. went looking for evidence to feature in its new lawsuit against Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis, its lawyers found much of what they needed in DeSantis’s own recently published memoir.

    Buried in Disney’s complaint against DeSantis is something surprising. Numerous quotes taken from “The Courage to be Free” appear to support the company’s central allegation: that the Republican governor improperly wielded state power to punish Disney’s speech criticizing his policies, violating the First Amendment.
    ………..
    It boasts extensively about his war on Disney to advertise how he would marshal the powers of the presidency against so-called woke elites. ………

    Disney’s lawsuit cites exactly these passages. ……..

    DeSantis’s book brags about his rapid mobilization of the state legislature to target Disney’s tax district. The same passage declares that this happened because of the company’s “support of indoctrinating young schoolchildren in woke gender identity politics.” That admits to retribution against speech opposing his legislation.

    The book rips Disney for vowing to work to repeal the governor’s law, describing this as “a frontal assault” on it. That, too, is a description of political speech……….

    The book describes DeSantis’s discussions with Republicans in the Florida legislature about whether they were prepared to tackle the “thorny issue involving the state’s most powerful company.” That confirms Disney was the unique target of legislative action.
    …………
    ………… “You have pretty clear statements from Governor DeSantis that he is seeking to punish a corporation for its speech,” (Scott Wilkens, senior counsel at the Knight First Amendment Institute said). “That’s prohibited by the First Amendment.”
    …………
    Which points to another way DeSantis might have undermined himself. Because Disney’s case is real, it will likely end up in discovery, says Lee Kovarsky, a law professor at the University of Texas at Austin. That could yield damaging internal communications that undercut DeSantis’s excuse that this was just about revoking Disney’s special privileges in the name of good governance.
    …………

    Like it was for Fox News, discovery for DeSantis is going to be a b!tch.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  65. Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 5/6/2023 @ 9:43 am

    Weaponizing someone’s health to make a political point is way beyond tasteless, but apparently it will be part of the presidential campaign.

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc)

  66. AllahNick has a piece on Jordan Neeley, the erratic homeless guy who was choked out in a subway. No, AOC, it wasn’t murder, but it was tragic.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  67. How about a big helping of put your money where your mouth is if you advocated for the “vaccine”, took the shots, and got COVID. How about transparency from those who advocated for the “vaccine”, supported the insane government controls to “stop the spread” and the punitive actions taken by both the public and private sectors?

    Whether Dana was vaxxed or not, I can understand her refusal to provide info…if not vaxxed, she might be feeling regretful and and as such not offer her experience to those who refused the shots. If she was vaxxed, then she might be feeling embarrassed and angry that she fell for the government’s BS.

    I don’t know whether you or she promoted the insanity of the last couple of years, but if you did, you deserve scorn from those of us who were of the contrary opinion.

    Horatio,

    There are plenty of places on the Web where you can go be a giant asshole. This is not one of them.

    You are hereby banned.

    Patterico (eea38f)

  68. RIP Newton Minow (97); former FCC Chairman who in 1961 described television as a “vast wasteland.”

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  69. Jill Biden’s Political Statement at Coronation Condemned: ‘Hate America’

    Jill Biden and her granddaughter Finnegan Biden wore coordinated yellow and blue dresses to the coronation ceremony, representing the flag of Ukraine. The move was viewed as a sign of solidarity with the Eastern European country, which for more than a year has been fighting off an invasion from Russia… “Jill Biden was disrespectful to the United States and her office of First Lady by wearing the colors of the Ukraine flag with her granddaughter instead of representing our flag and our nation,” tweeted Jenna Ellis, an ex-attorney for former President Donald Trump. “First Lady Melania would have been pure elegance and patriotism.” -newsweek.com

    Joe just farted for Camilla; but these two insulted themselves, their hosts and embarrassed the United States of America. “Red, white and blue; what does it mean to you?” To Biden Bums, not much:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGrES89AKz4&t=4s

    DCSCA (9e8611)

  70. @71. And how did the television industry respond?

    Guess why the boat wrecked on the perpetually airing TV series, Gilligan’s Island was named the ‘S.S. Minnow.’ 😉

    DCSCA (9e8611)

  71. A couple of thoughts come to mind.

    One: why someone thinks they need to heap “scorn” on someone who has a different opinion about the vaccines.

    Two: partisan media is amazing if it has convinced people like Horatio that the vaccines are bad. They are one of the miracles of modern science and saved countless lives. Yet there are so many people like Horatio who are cocksure that the vaccines were actually bad for society. Amazing.

    Patterico (eea38f)

  72. A third thought is so obvious it goes without saying but I’ll say it anyway:

    The idea that one of my commenters would use the occasion of Dana’s illness to berate her for (possibly) having taken the life-saving vaccines demonstrates a level of cretinism that will never be tolerated here.

    Patterico (eea38f)

  73. Rookie:

    ………….
    Despite the legal turmoil surrounding him, Trump has been methodically undercutting Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis — snatching up congressional endorsements, blasting attack ads and dominating news cycles. It’s a campaign operation characterized by an unusual level of organization and discipline — one that’s chipping away at his likely chief rival before he even jumps in the race.
    ………..
    In recent weeks, Trump’s team has worked to bank wins before DeSantis officially enters the race. They have rolled out policy videos focused on a second Trump term and made hires in early voting states. They have developed relationships with state party leaders, met with lawmakers at Mar-a-lago and worked the phones to steal endorsements from DeSantis in his home state. ……….
    ………….
    “The challenge that DeSantis and others face is that Donald Trump has a several years head start on this, they’ve continued to foster a significant organization across states that will make it difficult for later entrants who haven’t built that same infrastructure,” said a Republican strategist who has been in contact with almost every Republican presidential campaign. DeSantis, he said, “has a ton of money and not much organization.”
    …………..
    Never Back Down, a super PAC formed by ex-Trump staffer Ken Cuccinelli, has raised $33 million so far to support DeSantis’ pending campaign, according to a representative for the group, who was granted anonymity to speak about the fundraising ahead of an official filing in July. In addition, the $85 million war chest DeSantis built up during his gubernatorial campaign can likely be transferred into a PAC supporting his presidential bid — giving him an enormous financial advantage heading into the election.
    …………
    The PAC, which has reportedly received $20 million from real estate mogul Robert Bigelow, has been running ads in four early voting states touting DeSantis’ blue-collar roots and conservative record.
    ………..
    “They’re going to use the super PAC as the ground game operation,” said someone else close to the DeSantis team, who was granted anonymity to speak openly about strategy. “The campaign is going to be basically in charge of TV messaging, the candidate’s scheduling and time. Paid media is going to be the campaign and grassroots operation is going to be the Super PAC.”
    ………..
    “Donald Trump is Donald Trump. We don’t have to spend a single dollar telling people why you should vote for him,” said the strategist, who was granted anonymity to discuss this stage of the race freely. “All we need to do is beat the sh-t out of DeSantis. So their money has to do a whole lot of different things: their super PAC has to build a ground game, tell who he is, and tell people why they shouldn’t vote for Trump.”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  74. @36. Don’t mind sharing my own ‘vaccination’ experience. Did not get any government sanctioned Covid vaccinations, for two reasons. First, suspect I’d contracted a form of it in February, 2020 before the ‘epidemic’ became full blown and more defined and understood; as for that month was coughing deeply and incessantly- literally drank cough medicine for 4 weeks and was ready to go to the ER then it subsided and ended. Probably natural immunity… Remained masked and gloved, very limited travel and wiped down everything- from mail to groceries. Secondly, witness a terrible experience during the Swine Flu epidemic in ’75/’76. The government rushed out vaccines and some batches, then fermented in eggs, were tainted. While in college in PA, half the frat went to the infirmary for shots one day and the rest of us were due to go the next day if we chose to. But the guys who went first got pricked w/a bad batch and got violently ill that night. It was an awful sight; vomiting, fevers… really frightening. So the rest of us declined to subjecting ourselves to rushed out, suspect government vaccines. Still won’t trust them to this day.

    DCSCA (9e8611)

  75. Dana, hang in there! Took me a little while to get over COVID myself. I did find that good vitamins, lots of fluids and rest, helped. The common sense stuff.

    Dustin (ca9131)

  76. Yeah, hang in there, Dana. You’ll be okay… know it’s rougher as we get older… just pamper yourself, stay well hydrated and eat properly… and above all, rest and don’t subject yourself to any further exposure opportunities– like allergies that may pop up this time of year. Listen to your body talking to you and give yourself time to mend.

    DCSCA (9e8611)

  77. Meanwhile, Russia is also accusing the U.S. of masterminding the attack

    If the US wanted to kill Putin with a drone, it would have come a lot closer than blowing up uselessly. It at least would have trashed that flag.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  78. I really dislike some of the interactions and posters here based on their posts, but there are some people on this site whom I very much like and respect. In the interests of time:

    1. Get well soon, Dana. If you need any advice or background on treatment from someone with a doctorate in biology and a lot of experience with this pandemic, Patterico can put you in touch with me. I’m happy to discuss my own positive experience with this mess if you wish, and any biology or genetics based questions you might have.

    2. I fully support Patterico banning people for being braying jackwagons to other people. Patterico, I am currently applauding your actions.

    3. I believe that everyone has a right to their own opinion…but they need to accept that their opinion is informed…or based on personal prejudices, usually tinged by politics. I am very unhappy with how this pandemic has been handled by just about everyone—so tired of people with axes to grind. Since I have taken coursework in virology, worked with viruses, and teach about molecular biology (including how vaccines work), my opinions are based on facts. This must be how DRJ, nk, and Patterico feel when folks with no background in the law pop off about the topic.

    Simon Jester (c8876d)

  79. I don’t have enough information to be confident on the origin of the drone attack on the Kremlin, but I do think we should not dismiss this possibility: It was staged by a Russian (or Russians), possibly inside the government, who is opposed to Putin’s war on Ukraine. And, possibly, it was intended as much as a warning, as an attempt to kill or do signficant damage.

    (There have been a few much-publicized attacks on Putin supporters. In the latest, a group claimed responsibility:

    A prominent Russian writer and pro-war blogger has been wounded by a car bomb, officials say.

    Zakhar Prilepin, an vehement supporter of the Ukraine war, was reportedly conscious after the attack in the Nizhny Novgorod region but his driver was killed.
    . . .
    The partisan group Atesh, which is made up of Ukrainians and Crimean Tartars, claimed it was behind the attack.

    “We had a feeling that sooner or later he would be blown up,” they wrote on Telegram. “He was not driving alone, but with a surprise on the underside of the car.”

    When Putin decided not to follow the Geneva Conventions, he made it more likley that his enemies would not, either.)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  80. Vaccines are great science. They are imperfect and I detest when people imply that a vaccine should prevent anyone from getting Covid ever again in their life. It’s awful that vaccines got so horribly politicized. It’s also awful that people had to lose their jobs over not getting vaccinated. It’s not awful that Horatio is gone.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  81. If you get COVID after being vaccinated, you are likely to have a milder case, and less likely to die of the disease. That’s what the numbers show us and that’s what happened in my own family. My brother and sister-in-law, both of whom have some health problems, were vaccinated, caught COVID anyway, and recovered fairly quickly. (They are younger than I am, but past retirement age.)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  82. Covid

    Paxlovid. Really. Don’t delay. It was designed to rescue unvaxxed ^H^H^H^H^H people, but it works fine if you are vaxxed, too.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  83. (For instance, if there is a long-term solution to China’s demographic problems, it is not evident to me.

    The Sixty

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  84. In September, Trump said he would issue full pardons and a government apology to rioters who stormed the Capitol and violently attacked law enforcement to stop the democratic transfer of power. “I mean full pardons with an apology to many,” he said.

    I wonder how many times I will see that tape in the coming months. I see no downside to his GOP opponents using it as a wedge.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  85. My experience with Covid.

    After two people I knew died in March 2020, one a friend of 30 years time, and neither in particularly bad health, I did the whole masking and social distancing thing, although in my state the governor implemented it stupidly (Walmart could not have more than 50 people in the store at the same time, same as for a 7-11). I actually had bought some real N95 masks in February, jic.

    When the vaccine was finally available, after being reserved for emergency and medical workers, and teachers (who would not go into the classroom as it turned out), I got my shot the first day I could. As did my wife, who is generally included towards alternative medicine.

    And I stayed masked in public for most of 2021. Did not get COVID until May 2022, when I went to a convention, unmasked, in Austin. Came back mildly ill (masked on the plane) and the real problems hit me overnight, and I was unable to keep any liquid in my system for the next 12 hours. Not even water. Doctor sent me Paxlovid, and that dropped my symptoms to tolerable later in the day.

    So, I recommend Paxlovid. The only downside (this may have changed) was that the prescription was for only 5 days, and I rebounded (as did Biden and Fauci and others) but unlike them I could not get a second series of the drug.

    If I had not been vaxxed, I probably would have gotten it sooner, before better treatments were available, and the prognosis might have been poor.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  86. *included inclined

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  87. https://legalinsurrection.com/2023/05/eu-approves-dutch-governments-plan-to-shutter-farms-forced-sales-not-ruled-out/

    A new plan approved by the European Union will allow the Dutch government to buy-out farms and bar the displaced farmers from ever returning to their way of life.

    The buy-out scheme is part of the EU’s plan to cut greenhouse gas emissions by destroying the European farming sector. “A key part of the Dutch strategy involves buying up and halting work at farms responsible for large-scale emissions of nitrogen,” the Associated Press noted Tuesday.

    The so-called “voluntary definitive closure” plan, approved by the European Commission (the EU’s executive arm), will ban farmers, who sell their livestock farms to the state, from returning to livestock farming in the Netherlands or anywhere else in the European bloc.

    “Under the schemes, the beneficiaries guarantee that the closure of their production capacity is definitive and irreversible, and that they will not start the same breeding activity elsewhere in the Netherlands or within the EU,” the EU declared in a statement issued Tuesday.

    The scheme worth over $1.60 billion seeks to close around 3000 farms across the Netherlands. “Nearly €1.5 billion will be used to compensate farmers who voluntarily close farms located near nature reserves. Some 3,000 farms are expected to be eligible,” the Frech TV channel Euronews reported Wednesday. “The Dutch ruling coalition wants to cut emissions, predominantly nitrogen oxide and ammonia, by 50 per cent nationwide by 2030.” the broadcaster added.

    Soylent Green soon to a supermarket near you.

    NJRob (b542f0)

  88. I was onto Horatio’s game from the beginning.

    @36 – No trap, just curious. I ask everyone who gets COVID these days the same question. Just hear the answer, it goes no further, and I don’t shake my head when they say they’re “vaccinated”. No recriminations, no argument, no gotcha.

    My own private poll

    Horatio (3fb8b5) — 5/5/2023 @ 6:35 pm

    followed by this

    How about a big helping of put your money where your mouth is if you advocated for the “vaccine”, took the shots, and got COVID. How about transparency from those who advocated for the “vaccine”, supported the insane government controls to “stop the spread” and the punitive actions taken by both the public and private sectors?

    Whether Dana was vaxxed or not, I can understand her refusal to provide info…if not vaxxed, she might be feeling regretful and and as such not offer her experience to those who refused the shots. If she was vaxxed, then she might be feeling embarrassed and angry that she fell for the government’s BS.

    I don’t know whether you or she promoted the insanity of the last couple of years, but if you did, you deserve scorn from those of us who were of the contrary opinion

    Horatio (3fb8b5) — 5/6/2023 @ 7:51 am

    Comedy gold!

    norcal (15fce4)

  89. No recriminations, just a pronouncement that you deserve scorn.

    Comedy gold indeed. What a maroon

    Patterico (eea38f)

  90. Allahnick continues to dazzle. This is funny, sad, and true:

    Republican politics is a simple matter of sticking a mirror under Trump’s nose periodically to make sure that he’s still breathing and, if it fogs up, taking care to stay on his good side until the next mirror check.

    https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/elected-republicans-have-no-reason-to-endorse-desantis/

    I now know why Patterico likes him so much.

    By the way, I see you getting big acclaim in the comments section at The Dispatch, AJ. (As you should).

    norcal (15fce4)

  91. I took all the shots, social distanced and wore a mask and didn’t get covid so far. A far higher rate of republicans/trumpsters died of covid because they didn’t take precautions then democrat voters (non democrat/minority rate slightly lower then republicans as they seem to have taken less precautions democrat voters) Thanks republicans for helping us out in 2022 election as only in chicago can dead people vote!

    asset (4c008e)

  92. Mr. Mylozanov has a definite pro-Ukrainian take on things but, because of the 2022 invasion, Putin made it more likely that the Ukrainians could reclaim the Crimean peninsula.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  93. Most Americans support anti-trans policies favored by GOP, poll shows (WaPo free link)

    Clear majorities of Americans support restrictions affecting transgender children, a Washington Post-KFF poll finds, offering political jet fuel for Republicans in statehouses and Congress who are pushing measures restricting curriculum, sports participation and medical care.

    Most Americans don’t believe it’s even possible to be a gender that differs from that assigned at birth. A 57 percent majority of adults said a person’s gender is determined from the start, with 43 percent saying it can differ.

    A majority of all age groups held this opinion.

    Conversely, a large majority (up to 75%) oppose anti-trans discrimination in jobs, housing, school, medical care, etc.

    Two thirds oppose transwomen participating in women’s sports.

    Majorities oppose use of puberty blockers or hormone therapy in children, but are in favor of counseling or other psychiatric therapy.

    Large majorities oppose trans information being taught before middle school. People are 50-50 about middle school and heavily in favor of the topics being taught in high school.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  94. Thanks republicans for helping us out in 2022 election as only in chicago can dead people vote!

    asset, if Trump had won re-election and pushed the vaccine, you would never have gone near it, and RFK Jr would be the leading Democrat candidate. Kamala Harris would still be going on about how it wasn’t tested enough.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  95. It is interesting to see how the WaPo spins “concerns about children’s welfare” into “anti-trans.”

    A better spin would be “majorities of Americans oppose genital mutilation and chemical experiments on children”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  96. I wonder how many times I will see that tape in the coming months. I see no downside to his GOP opponents using it as a wedge.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 1:39 pm

    You won’t see it being used by any of the other Republican presidential candidates. They are all in not offending Trump’s base, because they will need that base (in the unlikely event) that Trump is not the nominee.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  97. Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/6/2023 @ 4:08 pm

    The GOP minor candidates will wedge themselves right out of the race. I expect to hear at the Republican debates if not vocal, at least some support for the J6 defendants. At best candidates will say nothing.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  98. In September, Trump said he would issue full pardons and a government apology to rioters who stormed the Capitol and violently attacked law enforcement to stop the democratic transfer of power. “I mean full pardons with an apology to many,” he said.

    That is one of my top reasons for voting for anybody but Trump. We shouldn’t pardon or otherwise reward those J6 goons. Yes, Trump egged them on, and probably won’t do any time for it, but we can’t let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

    norcal (15fce4)

  99. norcal (15fce4) — 5/6/2023 @ 4:27 pm

    the media is lying, and of course you’re happy to swallow it whole

    What Trump actually said:

    “Another thing we’ll do, and so many people have been asking me about it, if I run and if I win, we will treat those people from Jan. 6 fairly,” Trump said to applause. “We will treat them fairly. And if it requires pardons we will give them pardons. Because they are being treated so unfairly.”

    He didn’t say he would pardon all of them. He didn’t say he would pardon those who “violently attacked law enforcement.”

    “Fairly” is open to interpretation. I suggest considering the fact that white collar insurrectionist Kevin Clinesmith, who doctored a Fisa warrant, served just a year of probation and got his law license reinstated in full, and the TN insurrectionists got invited to the White House.

    JF (9688d4)

  100. https://www.foxbusiness.com/small-business/chicago-police-department-tells-businesses-buy-riot-glass-product-prevent-burglaries

    The Chicago Police Department advised businesses in one area of the city to purchase a special kind of glass shield in order to help prevent burglaries.

    In a community alert sent out after a string of burglaries in Chicago’s Wicker Park and Humboldt Park, police recommended businesses use ArmorPlast, a type of invisible shatterproof shield produced by a company called Riot Glass that is installed over existing glass, to protect themselves, according to a CBS News report Monday.

    The advice came after a string of burglaries in the area, with Chicago Police noting that most of the burglaries showed similar characteristics. According to the alert, thieves typically break in from side or front glass windows using rocks, bricks or a crowbar, then enter the business to steal money and other items such as liquor.

    Nk, you still live in this leftist utopia, right?

    NJRob (b542f0)

  101. He didn’t say he would pardon all of them. He didn’t say he would pardon those who “violently attacked law enforcement.”

    He didn’t limit his statement to only those who non-violent offenses either.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  102. “I will tell you, I will look very, very favorably about full pardons. If I decide to run and if I win, I will be looking very, very strongly about pardons. Full pardons,” Trump said on Wendy Bell Radio Thursday, adding: “We’ll be looking very, very seriously at full pardons because we can’t let that happen. … And I mean full pardons with an apology to many.”

    Source

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  103. The GOP minor candidates will wedge themselves right out of the race. I expect to hear at the Republican debates if not vocal, at least some support for the J6 defendants. At best candidates will say nothing.

    They have to differentiate themselves from Trump, or get out of the race. If they can’t call him on his bullsh1t, then they don’t deserve the job. If they want to keep their head down, they can do that at home.

    No one is going to vote far a fake Trump when they have a real Trump to vote for. So, the rest of the pack needs to stop kissing the effing ring and call him for the criminal that he is.

    They think that if they do that, they’ll be on the outs forever, and maybe they will be. But if he dies, or is disqualified, or simply loses again, they are going to be SOL when the deTrumpfication happens.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  104. Which is why I think that DeSantis won’t last. He’s already too tied to Trump to be anything but VP (and would Trump really “move” back to NY?).

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  105. That is one of my top reasons for voting for anybody but Trump. We shouldn’t pardon or otherwise reward those J6 goons.

    At best, I could see pardoning minor offenses (e.g. trespassing or stealing an ashtray). But that’s not what Trump is talking about.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  106. They are all in not offending Trump’s base, because they will need that base (in the unlikely event) that Trump is not the nominee.

    If Trump is not the nominee, don’t they still have to vote against Biden? Binary choice, amiright?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  107. They have to differentiate themselves from Trump, or get out of the race. If they can’t call him on his bullsh1t, then they don’t deserve the job. If they want to keep their head down, they can do that at home.

    Which is why none of the minor candidates have a chance. Hutchinson is the only candidate who openly opposes Trump, and he has no chance anyway. Haley and Scott will never take Trump on, and DeSantis and Vivek are Trump’s Mini-Me. They are hoping that Trump stumbles or is indicted, neither of which will change the minds of TrumpWorld to support someone else.

    As long as Trump has an iron grip on the Republican Party nothing will change. There is no polling (as of now) that shows his support is diminishing.

    The only candidate that will bring up Trump’s pardon promise will be Biden.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  108. If Trump is not the nominee, don’t they still have to vote against Biden? Binary choice, amiright?

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 5:51 pm

    No. They always just not vote at all. Remember, they still believe 2020 was stolen.

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc)

  109. Morning Consult Tracker: Trump Holds Formidable Lead Over DeSantis

    ……….
    Just under 6 in 10 potential Republican primary voters (56%) would back Trump if the primary or caucus were held in their state today, compared with 22% who would support DeSantis.

    Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and Vivek Ramaswamy are backed by 4% and 3% of the party’s electorate, respectively, while former Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson has 0% backing, showing meager support for Trump’s declared challengers for the GOP’s nomination.
    ……….
    DeSantis is the second choice of 44% of potential GOP primary voters who are backing Trump, while 42% of the Florida governor’s supporters view Trump as their top backup option.

    Haley is the second choice for 16% of DeSantis supporters, while Ramaswamy is the backup option for 7% of Trump and DeSantis supporters. ……….
    …………
    Trump is popular with 79% of the party’s potential electorate, while 20% hold an unfavorable view.

    Despite his decline in the primary polling, over 7 in 10 potential Republican primary voters (73%) hold favorable views of DeSantis.
    …………
    Few potential GOP primary voters are paying attention to Trump’s current challengers for the Republican nomination, with 81% saying they’d not recently heard anything about Hutchinson, 66% saying the same about Ramaswamy and 59% saying the same about Haley.
    ………….

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  110. Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/6/2023 @ 6:13 pm

    DeSantis’s 22% is close to RFK Jr.’s 20% RCP average.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  111. Which is why I think that DeSantis won’t last. He’s already too tied to Trump to be anything but VP

    The freefall of DeSantis started when Bragg indicted Trump

    For Trump, NeverTrump is the gift that keeps giving

    JF (396642)

  112. Trump hugged and praised the nutter convicted for her J6 crimes so, to me, he sent a clear message about pardons and apologies.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  113. @101. Not much of an argument. Peruse these folks pardoned by other presidents… just for example:

    -Federalist president John Adams pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 20 people. Among them are: David Bradford, for his role in the Whiskey Rebellion and John Fries, for his role in Fries’s Rebellion; convicted of treason due to opposition to a tax; Fries and others were pardoned, and a general amnesty was issued for everyone involved in 1800.

    -Thomas Jefferson pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 119 people. One of his first acts upon taking office was to issue a general pardon for any person convicted under the Sedition Act.[5] Among them are: David Brown – convicted of sedition under the Sedition Act of 1798 because of his criticism of the U.S. federal government, receiving the harshest sentence of anyone; pardoned along with all violators of the act. Benjamin Fairbanks – Convicted with Brown of erecting a Liberty Pole in Dedham, Massachusetts. He received the lightest sentence of anyone under the Act.

    -Democratic-Republican president James Madison pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 196 people. Among them are: William Hull – while Governor of the Michigan Territory, sentenced to death for surrendering Fort Detroit during the War of 1812; pardoned due to his heroic conduct during the American Revolution. Jean Lafitte and Pierre Lafitte and the Baratarian Pirates for past piracy, granted due to their assistance during the War of 1812; granted February 6, 1815.

    -Democratic president James Buchanan pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 150 people. Among them are: Brigham Young – pardoned for role in the 1857 Utah War.

    -Republican president Abraham Lincoln pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 343 people. Among them are: 265 of 303 Dakota Indians who attacked white settlers in the Great Sioux Uprising of 1862.
    Clement Vallandigham – Copperhead Congressman from Ohio sentenced for disloyalty in 1863; sentence commuted, and deported to the Confederacy. Emilie Todd Helm – wife of Confederate General Benjamin Hardin Helm and half-sister of Mary Todd Lincoln. During his presidency, Lincoln issued 64 pardons for war-related offenses; 22 for conspiracy, 17 for treason, 12 for rebellion, 9 for holding an office under the Confederacy, and 4 for serving with the rebels.

    Democratic president Andrew Johnson pardoned about 7,000 people in the “over $20,000” class (taxable property over $20,000) by May 4, 1866. More than 600 prominent North Carolinians were pardoned just before the election of 1864. President Andrew Johnson pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 654 people. Among them are: Charles D. Anderson; Richard H. Anderson; Eli Metcalfe Bruce; Horatio Washington Bruce; Charles Clark; Jefferson Davis; Harris Flanagin; Augustus Hill Garland; Benjamin Harvey Hill; Wade Keyes; Enoch Louis Lowe; Andrew Gordon Magrath; Eugenius Aristides Nisbet; James Byeram Owens’ Walter Preston; James Seddon; Alexander H. Stephens; George Trenholm; Samuel Arnold – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln Samuel Mudd – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln; Edmund Spangler – charged with conspiring to murder Lincoln

    -Republican president Ulysses S. Grant pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 1,332 people. Among them are: Ex-Confederate leaders – All but 500 former top Confederate leaders were pardoned when President Grant signed the Amnesty Act of 1872.

    -Republican president Rutherford B. Hayes pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 893 people. Among them is: Ezra Heywood – an Anarchist convicted of violating the 1873 Comstock Act; pardoned after 6 months.

    -Republican president Benjamin Harrison pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 613 people.[3] Among them are: Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints – On January 4, 1893, granted amnesty and pardon for the offense of engaging in polygamous or plural marriage to members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

    -Republican president Warren G. Harding pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 800 people. Among them are: Eugene V. Debs – Socialist convicted of sedition under the Espionage Act of 1917; sentence commuted in 1921; Kate Richards O’Hare – convicted of sedition under the Espionage Act of 1917; sentence commuted in 1921.

    -Republican president Calvin Coolidge pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 1,545 people. Among them are: Marcus Garvey – Jamaican immigrant and founder of Universal Negro Improvement Association UNIA, convicted of mail fraud in 1923; sentence commuted and deported in 1927 Lothar Witzke – German spy and saboteur convicted in 1918; pardoned and deported in 1923.

    -Democratic president Harry S. Truman pardoned, commuted or rescinded the convictions of 2,044 people. Among them are: George Caldwell – Louisiana building contractor convicted in 1940 of income tax evasion and bribery for requiring kickbacks from contractors, paroled the following year; pardoned; Oscar Collazo – A Puerto Rico nationalist, Collazo attempted Truman’s assassination in 1950; Commuted death sentence to life sentence James Michael Curley – Mayor of Boston, Massachusetts convicted of fraud and mail fraud in 1947; pardoned in 1950; Richard W. Leche – former Governor of Louisiana, convicted of mail fraud in 1940; pardoned in 1947; Andrew J. May – former Congressman convicted of accepting bribes in 1947; pardoned in 1952; Seymour Weiss – hotel executive and Democratic Party campaign financier, convicted of tax evasion and mail fraud in 1940, released in 1942; pardoned in 1947
    1,523 people convicted of violating the Selective Training and Service Act of 1940; full pardon.

    -The Big Dick pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 926 people. Among them are:

    Jimmy Hoffa – prominent labor union leader convicted of fraud and bribery (tax evasion) in 1964; sentence commuted (with conditions) on December 23, 1971 Angelo DeCarlo – convicted of conspiracy to commit murder and extortion in March 1970; was pardoned in late 1972 due to poor health, died on October 20, 1973.

    – Republican president Gerald Ford pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 409 people. Among them are: Richard Nixon – granted a full and unconditional pardon in 1974 just before he could be indicted in the Watergate scandal. This was the only time that a U.S. president received a pardon. Ernest C. Brace – pardoned of his 1961 court-martial from the United States Marine Corps in light of his almost eight years as a POW in Vietnam. Iva Toguri D’Aquino, aka – “Tokyo Rose” – convicted of treason in 1949, paroled in 1956. She was pardoned on January 19, 1977, Ford’s last day in office. The only U.S. citizen convicted of treason during World War II to be pardoned. Robert E. Lee – Confederate general during the Civil War, full rights of citizenship were posthumously restored. Vietnam war draft resisters – Ford offered conditional amnesty to over 50,000 draft resisters. Maurice L. Schick – military court-martial for brutal murder; commuted to life with the possibility of parole.

    Democratic president Jimmy Carter pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 566 people, and in addition to that pardoned over 200,000 Vietnam War draft evaders. Among them are: Oscar Collazo – Attempted assassination of President Harry S. Truman in 1950; commuted to time served in 1979
    G. Gordon Liddy – Watergate figure. Convicted for 20 years for conspiracy, burglary, and illegal wiretapping; commuted after serving 4½ years in 1977. Peter Yarrow – Singer-songwriter of Peter, Paul and Mary, had pleaded guilty to a morals charge involving a 14-year-old girl in 1970 and served three months in prison, was pardoned in 1980. Vietnam war draft resisters – Unconditional amnesty issued in the form of a pardon in 1977. Jefferson Davis – President of the Confederate States of America, was arrested and accused of treason in 1865. Charges were brought in 1868 but was absolved of any guilt for participation in the Civil War by President Andrew Johnson’s Fourth Amnesty Proclamation on Christmas Day of that year. Posthumously pardoned. Patty Hearst – Convicted of bank robbery in 1976 after being kidnapped and allegedly brainwashed; sentence commuted in 1979. Lolita Lebrón, Rafael Cancel Miranda, Irving Flores Rodriguez – opened fire in the U.S. House of Representatives and wounding five Congressmen in 1954; clemency; Frederic B. Ingram – Heir from Tennessee, convicted of bribing government officials in Illinois in 1977; jailed for 16 months. His sentence was commuted by Carter in December 1980.

    – Republican president Ronald Reagan pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 406 people. Among them are: Mark Felt and Edward S. Miller – FBI officials convicted in December 1980 of authorizing illegal break-ins and fined. Pardoned on March 20, 1981. Mark Felt later in life admitted to being Deep Throat, the informant during the Watergate affair. Marvin Mandel – former Governor of Maryland convicted of mail fraud and racketeering in 1977; granted clemency in 1981; conviction later overturned in U.S. district court. Junior Johnson – a former NASCAR driver convicted of moonshining in 1956; pardoned in 1986; George Steinbrenner – Convicted of illegal Nixon campaign contributions and obstruction of justice in 1974; pardoned in January 1989

    – Republican president George H. W. Bush pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 77 people. Among them are: For their roles in the Iran–Contra affair Elliott Abrams; Duane Clarridge; Clair George; Alan Fiers; Robert McFarlane – National Security Adviser to President Ronald Reagan; Caspar Weinberger – Secretary of Defense under President Ronald Reagan; Armand Hammer – CEO of the Occidental Petroleum Company, contributed $110,000 to the Republican National Committee just before his pardon. Pardoned for illegally contributing $54,000 to Richard Nixon’s presidential campaign in 1972. Myra Soble – 1957 conviction of Conspiracy to Receive and Obtain National Defense Information and transmit same to foreign government in the Rosenberg spy ring; served four years, pardoned in 1991, died one year later.

    – Democratic president Bill Clinton pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 459 people. Among them are: Almon Glenn Braswell – Nutritional supplement magnate, convicted of mail fraud and perjury in 1983; pardoned Henry Cisneros – Clinton’s Secretary of Housing and Urban Development. Pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor count for lying to the FBI in 1999 about payments to a mistress, and was fined $10,000. Roger Clinton, Jr. – Half-brother of Bill Clinton. After serving a year in federal prison (1985–86) for cocaine possession. John Deutch – Director of Central Intelligence, former Provost and University Professor, MIT. He had agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor for mishandling government secrets on January 19, 2001, but President Clinton pardoned him in his last day in office, two days before the Justice Department could file the case against him. Edward Downe, Jr. – convicted of wire fraud, filing false income tax returns, and securities fraud in 1992; pardoned Elizam Escobar – Puerto Rican artist and activist, convicted of seditious conspiracy in 1980; pardoned FALN – commuted the sentences of 16 members of FALN, a Puerto Rican clandestine paramilitary organization operating mostly in Chicago and New York City. Henry O. Flipper – The first black West Point cadet was found guilty of “conduct unbecoming an officer” in 1882. Posthumously pardoned. Patty Hearst – Convicted of bank robbery in 1976 after being kidnapped and allegedly brainwashed. Prison term commuted by Jimmy Carter and was released from prison in 1979. She was fully pardoned by Clinton in 2001. Rick Hendrick – NASCAR team owner & champion; convicted of mail fraud in 1997; pardoned. Susan McDougal – business partner with Bill Clinton and Hillary Rodham Clinton in the failed Whitewater land deal. Guilty of contempt of court, she served her entire sentence starting in 1998 and was then pardoned. Samuel Loring Morison – former Naval intelligence officer, convicted of espionage and theft of government property in 1985; pardoned; Mel Reynolds – Former Democratic member of the United States House of Representatives from Illinois. Convicted of bank fraud and obstruction of justice in 1997; sentence was commuted. Marc Rich, Pincus Green – business partners; indicted by U.S. Attorney on charges of tax evasion and illegal trading with Iran in 1983 and fled the country that year. Pardoned in 2001 after Rich’s ex-wife, Denise Eisenberg Rich, made large donations to the Democratic Party and the Clinton Foundation. Dan Rostenkowski – Former Democratic member of the US House of Representatives from Illinois, indicted for his role in the Congressional Post Office scandal and pleaded guilty to mail fraud in 1996. Served his entire 17-month sentence, then pardoned in December 2000. Fife Symington III – Governor of Arizona convicted of bank fraud in 1997, the conviction was overturned in 1999; subsequently pardoned. Susan Rosenberg – a former radical activist and domestic terrorist of the early 1970s, was convicted of illegal explosives possession in 1984, commuted on January 20, 2001.

    – Republican president George W. Bush pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 200 people. Among them were: José Compeán and Ignacio Ramos – Two US Border Patrol agents who wounded drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete Dávila on February 17, 2005, and tried to cover up the incident received commutation in 2009. John Forté – Hip-hop singer and songwriter sentenced for smuggling cocaine in 2000 was commuted.
    Lewis “Scooter” Libby – Assistant to President George W. Bush and Chief of Staff to Dick Cheney was convicted of perjury in connection with the CIA leak scandal involving members of State Department who ‘outed’ CIA officer Valerie Plame. Was sentenced to 30 months in prison and fined him $250,000 on June 5, 2007. Libby received commutation of his prison sentence, not a full pardon, on July 2, 2007. Libby later received a full pardon from President Donald Trump in 2018. Issac Robert Toussie – Brooklyn real estate developer, convicted of making false statements to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development in 2001; pardoned in 2008 and the pardon revoked one day later. Charles Winters – Posthumous pardon for smuggling three B-17 Flying Fortress heavy bombers to Israel in the late 1940s; served 18 months in prison; died in 1984.

    – Democratic president Barack Obama pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the conviction of 1,927 people. Among them were: James Cartwright, retired US Marine Corps four-star general, he pleaded guilty to giving false statements to federal investigators in 2016 and was awaiting sentencing. Pardoned on January 17, 2017.
    Dwight J. Loving, U.S. Army private sentenced to death in Texas for murdering two taxi drivers in 1988. Commuted to life without parole on January 17, 2017. Chelsea Manning, U.S. Army whistleblower convicted by court-martial in July 2013, sentenced to 35 years in prison for providing classified documents to WikiLeaks. Commuted on January 17, 2017. Willie McCovey, professional baseball player, pleaded guilty to tax evasion in 1995 and received two years probation and a $5,000 fine. Pardoned on January 17, 2017. Ian Schrager, former co-owner of the famed dance club Studio 54, pleaded guilty to tax evasion in 1979 and received three and a half years in prison and a $20,000 fine. Pardoned on January 17, 2017. Oscar López Rivera, FALN member sentenced in 1981 to 55 years in prison for seditious conspiracy, use of force to commit robbery, interstate transportation of firearms, and conspiracy to transport explosives with intent to destroy government property, and subsequently to an additional 15 years for attempted escape in 1988. Commuted on January 17, 2017

    – Republican president Donald Trump pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the convictions of 237 people. Among them were: Joe Arpaio, former Sheriff of Maricopa County, Arizona, was convicted of contempt of court for refusing to end the practice of “immigrant round ups,” and was awaiting sentencing. Pardoned on August 25, 2017. Sholom Rubashkin, an Iowa meatpacking magnate sentenced to 27 years in prison for bank fraud in 2010. Commuted on December 20, 2017. Kristian Saucier, a former U.S. Navy sailor pleaded guilty to unauthorized possession and retention of national defense information in 2016, released the following year. Pardoned on March 9, 2018. Lewis “Scooter” Libby, former chief of staff to the vice president of the United States, convicted of perjury and obstruction of justice in connection with the CIA leak scandal. The sentence was already commuted to time served by President George W. Bush in July 2007, shortly after Libby’s conviction. Pardoned on April 13, 2018. Jack Johnson, a champion boxer who was convicted in 1913 while traveling with his white girlfriend for violating the Mann Act, which made it illegal to transport women across state lines for “immoral” purposes, released after one year. Posthumously pardoned on May 24, 2018. Dinesh D’Souza, author and documentary filmmaker, convicted of campaign finance violations in 2014. Pardoned on May 31, 2018. Alice Johnson, an unemployed parcel delivery worker and first-time drug offender sentenced to life without parole in 1996 for conspiracy to possess cocaine, attempted possession of cocaine, and money laundering. Commuted on June 6, 2018. Dwight Hammond and Steven Hammond, father and son Oregon ranchers convicted in 2012 of two counts of arson on federal land. Commuted and pardoned on July 10, 2018.
    Michael Behenna, former United States Army First Lieutenant who was convicted in 2009 of murdering an unarmed prisoner during the Iraq War. Sentenced to 25 years in military prison, paroled in 2014. Pardoned on May 7, 2019. Conrad Black, a British newspaper publisher convicted in 2007 of fraud and obstruction of justice for scheming to siphon off millions of dollars from the sale of newspapers, spent 3+1⁄2 years in prison and was deported. Pardoned on May 15, 2019. Pat Nolan, former California state legislator who pleaded guilty to racketeering in 1994, served 2 years and 2 months in prison. Pardoned on May 16, 2019.
    Zay Jeffries, a mining engineer and former vice president of General Electric. He was convicted in 1948 of violating of the Sherman Antitrust Act of 1890 and fined; died in 1965. Posthumously pardoned by Trump on October 10, 2019. Mathew L. Golsteyn, a US Army officer who served in the War in Afghanistan. He was accused of murder after the 2010 killing of an unarmed Afghan bomb maker who was a prisoner of war, and the U.S. Army had opened an investigation of him in 2016. Pardoned on November 15, 2019.[70]
    Clint Lorance, a former first lieutenant with the 4th Brigade Combat Team, 82nd Airborne Division in the U.S. Army and veteran of the War in Afghanistan. He was convicted on two counts of second-degree murder for ordering soldiers in his platoon to open fire at three men sitting on a motorcycle in southern Afghanistan in July 2012 while his platoon was on combat patrol. During the trial all platoon members testified that the men were sitting, unmoving on a motorcycle while the defendant claimed the motorcycle was approaching at a high speed. He was sentenced to 19 years in prison in August 2013, and sent to Fort Leavenworth. Pardoned on November 15, 2019.] Rod Blagojevich, former Governor of Illinois, was charged with attempting to sell an appointment to the U.S. Senate to succeed President-elect Barack Obama. Was convicted of soliciting bribes, extortion, and wire fraud on June 27, 2011, and sentenced to 14 years in prison. Was commuted to time served on February 18, 2020 Bernard Kerik, former New York City Police Commissioner, pleaded guilty to tax fraud and perjury in 2010 for concealing apartment renovations paid for by a contractor that the city had blacklisted because of suspected ties to organized crime. Was sentenced to four years in prison in 2010; was released in May 2013. Pardoned on February 18, 2020. Roger Stone, a longtime political operative and friend of Donald Trump, was convicted in November 2019 on charges of witness tampering, obstructing an official proceeding, and five counts of making false statements in the course of inhibiting the investigation of the Trump campaign by Robert Mueller. He was sentenced to 40 months in prison, but on July 10, 2020, President Trump commuted the sentence before Stone reported to prison. Trump pardoned Stone on December 23, 2020. Susan B. Anthony, suffragist and long-time proponent and organizer for women’s suffrage in the United States who was convicted of voting in the 1872 election. Posthumously pardoned on August 18, 2020, the 100th anniversary of the ratification of the 19th Amendment to the Constitution of the United States which gave American women the right to vote. The president of the National Susan B. Anthony Museum and House wrote, without legal authority, to “decline” the offer of a pardon on the principle that, to accept a pardon would wrongly “validate” the trial proceedings in the same manner that paying the $100 fine would have. Michael Flynn, retired United States Army lieutenant general and the 25th National Security Advisor. Flynn withdrew his original guilty plea for making false statements to the FBI, and federal district judge Emmet G. Sullivan had ruled the matter to be placed on hold. Flynn was pardoned on November 25, 2020. Alex van der Zwaan, a New York–based Dutch lawyer who was convicted on a guilty plea in Feb. 2018 of making false statements to law enforcement officers in the investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. Mr. van der Zwaan served his 30-day jail sentence, paid a $20,000 fine, and was deported after his release from .Trump pardoned him on December 23, 2020. Kodak Black, an American rapper who confessed to lying on background checks associated with purchasing firearms during two separate instances in 2019.Commuted on January 20, 2021, after already having served “nearly half” of his 46-month sentence. – source, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_granted_clemency_by_the_president_of_the_United_States

    DCSCA (c2679f)

  114. He didn’t limit his statement to only those who non-violent offenses either.
    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/6/2023 @ 5:22 pm

    he didn’t limit it to only those from Earth either

    so he meant space aliens, Rip

    JF (396642)

  115. Unlike in LA Story, there isn’t a shooting season, it just happens every single week, the latest being a Dallas suburb. My guess is that it’s another mental case who legally obtained his firearm, and nothing will happen to stop mental cases from getting firearms.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  116. thirty years ago, shootings didn’t happen every week

    our culture has normalized it

    but, we’re not supposed to talk about that, only guns

    our slop culture is owned by the left, and therefore it’s untouchable

    JF (7cc437)

  117. Anybody can get a gun in Texas. Last week, it was a four-times deported illegal alien who felt secure enough in his “constitutional carry” to practice shooting it in his backyard.

    nk (3da6af)

  118. nk (3da6af) — 5/6/2023 @ 7:08 pm

    Anybody can get a gun in Chicago too, and Chicago has a murder rate three times higher than Texas.

    JF (7cc437)

  119. Two of the nine victims taken to the hospital after the mall shooting in Allen, Texas, were pronounced dead on arrival, a law enforcement source told CNN.

    @118. ‘nothing will happen to stop mental cases from hijacking airplanes.’

    FIFY.

    DCSCA (c2679f)

  120. DCSCA (c2679f) — 5/6/2023 @ 6:28 pm

    And how many of those Presidents who issued pardons were coup planners? Just one, and his last name rhymes with rump.

    norcal (15fce4)

  121. And how many of those Presidents who issued pardons were coup planners? Just one, and his last name rhymes with rump.
    norcal (15fce4) — 5/6/2023 @ 9:38 pm

    Name one coup planner Trump pardoned. Should be easy.

    JF (7cc437)

  122. Try reading it again, JF.

    norcal (15fce4)

  123. My suspicion is that a high per capita gun ownership rate in combination with people living close together is probably part of the problem. Add to that a lot of people who work long hours, don’t get enough sleep, are on edge about economics and a culture that thinks it’s OK to respond to insults with violence and you get a lot of people in close proximity to other people, who are likely to have the ability to shoot another person, a mindset that it’s OK as long as they can “justify it”, and who are very easy to tip over the edge, so you get shootings.

    Nic (896fdf)

  124. @125 ah yes, reading it again I see you’re claim is no more aligned with the truth than when I read it wrong

    but, that conviction is just around the corner for sure

    JF (7cc437)

  125. you’re your

    JF (7cc437)

  126. >@123. And how many of those Presidents who issued pardons were coup planners?

    Coup planners? Depends on which side of the pond you were on. Rebellious, treasonous types like Jefferson and Adams certainly were ‘coup planners’… and succeeded… in the eyes of the Crown.

    …and George III frowned.

    DCSCA (be4f8d)

  127. @116: No one will read that.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  128. Haley and Scott will never take Trump on

    They only have a chance if they do. Back in 2015 the other GOP candidates planned to outlast Trump, then pick up his voters. I see no sign it will work this time either.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  129. No. They always just not vote at all. Remember, they still believe 2020 was stolen.

    Then they deserve Biden and they will hang separately.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  130. The freefall of DeSantis started when Bragg indicted Trump

    And after that, DeSantis kissed the ring and made many of his backers say “Why bother?”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  131. Trump hugged and praised the nutter convicted for her J6 crimes so, to me, he sent a clear message about pardons and apologies.

    She was convicted of “defying police orders”

    Half of Portland did that. People need to stop Trumping up misdemeanors into the Crime of the Century. It debases the charges against the violent trhugs and tried to kill police (who Trump seems to like, too).

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  132. nothing will happen to stop mental cases from getting firearms.

    Maybe “boiling in oil on national TV”? OK, cable PPV.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  133. Philadelphia, September 15, 1787:

    Art: II. sect. 2. “he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offences against the U. S. &c”

    Mr Randolph moved to “except cases of treason”. The prerogative of pardon in these cases was too great a trust. The President may himself be guilty. The traitors may be his own instruments.

    Madison’s Notes.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  134. DCSCA (be4f8d) — 5/6/2023 @ 10:46 pm

    I’d say there’s a difference between a coup to overthrow a monarchy, and one to overthrow a democracy.

    norcal (15fce4)

  135. The President may himself be guilty. The traitors may be his own instruments.

    Madison’s Notes.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 11:11 pm

    And that’s analogous to the prospect we face: Trump the coup planner pardoning the instruments of his attempted coup.

    Trump would pardon them all, because there’s no re-election to consider.

    norcal (15fce4)

  136. My suspicion is that a high per capita gun ownership rate in combination with people living close together is probably part of the problem.

    There were more gun owning households in 1980 (45% nationally) than in 2015 (32%).

    It varies greatly per state, but Texas is only slightly above average (37%). It was 58% in 1980.

    California has gone from 40% to 16%. Almost no state has increased household ownership in the last 40 years.

    The point here is that the increase in gun violence is not a function of gun availability. It must be some other factor. Multiculturalism and Us vs Them, extremely violent entertainment, drugs, the end of state institutions for the dangerously insane, a general lack of community involvement (except to complain).

    We have a culture that is pretty sick, and we are focusing on a symptom and not the problem.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  137. Guns are not easier to get hold of today. Oswald bought his rifle mail order. There were almost no rules 50 years ago. Now there are a lot of rules and gun violence is way up. I invite anyone to explain how more rules will help.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  138. …….. (Haley and Scott) only have a chance if they do. Back in 2015 the other GOP candidates planned to outlast Trump, then pick up his voters. I see no sign it will work this time either.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 10:57 pm

    At least we agree on that. Also, the minor Republican candidates are clearly auditioning to be Trump’s VP (Darling Nikki, see here) or in his cabinet (Vivek and Scott).

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  139. The eventually decided not to limit the President’s power, suggesting that a traitorous President could be impeached, then tried. And, in fact, it was that prospect that stopped Trump from issuing a blanket pardon after J6. It would have changed votes, and he was probably told that, too.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  140. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 11:33 pm

    I blame social media and bad parenting more than anything else.

    In the before times, crazies tended to get checked by all the people around them. Neighbors, family, friends.

    Now, the demented can connect with the smattering of nutcases scattered around the world.

    And too many children have parents who confuse wants with needs, and thus both parents work full-time jobs, leaving their children to the mercies of social media.

    norcal (15fce4)

  141. @Kevin@139 We do have more and more people living in cities and cramped suburbs though. I wouldn’t disagree that there are also issues of mental health concerns and drugs. I don’t know that multiculturalism is the major issue. I would say that on the whole there’s more violence between people in the same culture (intra-family violence, gang violence, violence in a person’s own neighborhood), rather than between cultures, though we hear more about between cultures violence.

    Nic (896fdf)

  142. @130. The one who it was meant for did.

    ________

    @137. I’d say there’s a difference between a coup to overthrow a monarchy, and one to overthrow a democracy.

    History says different: a coup is a coup– and you might want to pitch your POV to dead Dwight Eisenhower, who backed a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government in Iran and install a monarchy:

    Eisenhower approves coup in Iran, Aug. 19, 1953

    The 1953 Iranian coup d’état, known in Iran as the 28 Mordad coup d’état (Persian: کودتای ۲۸ مرداد), was the U.S.- and UK-instigated, Iranian army-led overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of the shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, on 19 August 1953.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat#Aftermath

    https://www.politico.com/story/2018/08/19/eisenhower-green-lights-coup-in-iran-aug-19-1953-788012

    DCSCA (b5dd82)

  143. @97 You are wrong I couldn’t wait to get vaccinated. I don’t take my marching orders from DNC talking points. I vote green party for president in 2020 as I had to write them in and this is why trump lost. I preferred trump winning to biden so AOC would become president in 2024. Now she has to wait till 2028/2032. Abortion trumps trannies. Like me the 80% of voters who don’t want abortion banned and have reservations about the drag queen stuff will go into the voting booth and vote out every anti-abortion republican on the ballot as they did in 2022. If NY had not run corrupt corporate democrats they would have held the house. Yelling trannys! as they do on talk radio because they don’t dare talk about abortion is not working.

    asset (f7677e)

  144. Kevin,

    you forgot the obvious. We are a less Christian society and secular hedonism is the religion of the day.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  145. Guns are not easier to get hold of today. Oswald bought his rifle mail order. There were almost no rules 50 years ago.

    Oswald had a five- shot bolt action.

    There were almost no high-capacity fast-firing firearms available to civilians 50 years ago, and the “almost no” is a literal fact.

    There were a handful of five-shot, internal magazine, automatic rifles in deer-legal caliber and a like handful in .22 plinkers.

    You’d need a stunt double with a lifetime’s training to pump out bullets from a Winchester 92 like The Rifleman on TV and then you’d need to reload the tubular magazine one round at a time.

    There was only one pistol, in any caliber, the Browning Hi-Power, with a magazine capacity of more than 10 rounds.

    nk (bb1548)

  146. https://jonathanturley.org/2023/05/04/shes-a-professor-albany-professor-arrested-after-obstructing-pro-life-display-and-resisting-arrest/

    Fascist, leftist professor attacks pro-life display. Shocked when she’s arrested.

    NJRob (8718f8)

  147. The fact is that AR-15s comprised only 1.2% of total firearms production in 1990 and today it’s 23.4%, and a disturbing number of mass shootings involve AR-15s.
    I’m not saying ban them, but I’m in favor of testing prospective buyers, that they’re mentally or psychologically proficient to possess them.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  148. I’m in favor of testing prospective buyers (of AR-15s), that they’re mentally or psychologically proficient to possess them.

    Something that absolutely would not past constitutional muster.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  149. a day later, and can’t find the name of the shooter in the news

    must be hard to figure out who was wearing the tactical gear

    could be anyone I guess

    JF (4f7385)

  150. Something that absolutely would not past constitutional muster.

    Why didn’t Clinton’s assault weapons ban get thrown out by the courts?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  151. Two things we don’t know right now that we should: (1) the Nashville shooter’s manifesto, (2) anything about the Allen, TX shooter.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  152. I did find this:

    The agents have been inside talking to his family. They have also asked for a translator.

    FBI agents showed up Saturday evening, neighbors said, and have been there ever since. They say the suspected shooter is in his 30s and has lived here for as long as anyone can recall.

    They say he drives a gray Charger that was always parked in front of the home — except in the last few weeks, when they noticed he had not been around.

    Neighbors say they don’t recall any police activity or problems at the residence.

    They even know his pronouns. But, they can’t figure out who he is. And we’re supposed to believe that.

    At this time, the suspect’s name is not being released because his identity and connection to the shooting in Allen has not yet been officially confirmed.

    yeah umm BS

    JF (4f7385)

  153. Trump Enabler Horrified:

    ………….
    “It is a horror show, you know, when… (Trump’s) left to his own devices,” Barr said in remarks at the City Club of Cleveland in Ohio on Friday.

    “If you believe in his policies, what he’s advertising is his policies, he’s the last person who could actually execute them and achieve them,” Barr said to a reporter who asked if Trump is fit to be president again.
    …………
    “He does not have the discipline……….He does not have the ability for strategic thinking and linear thinking or setting priorities or how to get things done in the system.”

    “And, and so you may want his policies. But Trump will not deliver Trump policies,” Barr said.

    “He will deliver chaos, and if anything lead to a backlash that will set his policies much further back than they otherwise would be.”
    ……………..

    TrumpWorld disagrees:

    ……..I sure hope so because we need it. ………. Isn’t that what we want?……… It will be horror show for treasonous slime like you, Billy. ……… Oh no!! Not chaos! Can’t have any chaos!! ……… Trump supporters would have us believe that Trump would make better appointments during his second term as President, but what is the evidence to support that opinion? ………. Bring on the horror now!………… He’s a traitor, hang his ass.……… Trump won the election in 2020. They instituted a coup to deny him the office. ……….

    ………… More wind from bagpipe Bill. ……… Chaos = Justice……….. Assuming the country makes it to 2024………… More like the Senate RINOs had lousy confirming skills. ……… Trumps biggest problem is that nobody is afraid of him, especially after he let Hillary go free even before he took office. ………

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  154. The freefall of DeSantis started when Bragg indicted Trump
    …………..
    JF (396642) — 5/6/2023 @ 6:20 pm

    I think that was the point. The Democrats want to run against Trump, so they are doing everything they can to make him more popular with his base.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  155. The Democrats want to run against Trump, so they are doing everything they can to make him more popular with his base.
    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 8:46 am

    yeah, I said NeverTrump

    you say Democrats to acknowledge there’s no difference

    JF (4f7385)

  156. @148, nk, I’m sure gun enthusiasts will point out that Bereta and Colt options of semiautomatic rifles and pistols were available earlier. But maybe your broader point is proliferation and what gun owners mostly had in the ’60’s. A revolver, a bolt-action rifle, and/or a shotgun were adequate and typical for home or self defense and hunting.

    Would it be today? For 99% of cases probably. Are they as accurate and easy to use as modern semi-automatic options? Probably not. Are they as fun to shoot? Well fun is relative but consensus would be “no”. I think many people will always imagine themselves in a gun battle and feel limited by the chamber capacity of a revolver. Those same people would concede that with enough practice, someone can become proficient enough for self defense with a revolver or shotgun.

    I think we’ve grossly over-romanticized the gun and that cultural predilection gives us more senseless shootings. The NRA has gone from a hunting organization to a gun advocacy organization, promoting the need for self defense. There’s big money involved and there’s a lot of identity involved too. There’s no easy way to back out of this situation but let’s be honest…it hasn’t always been like this.

    My starting point would be (1) licensing, (2) red flag laws with due process, (3) background checks for private sales, (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and (5) banning large-capacity magazines. Personally I would favor registration too, just like with cars, limiting mass purchases of guns/ammo, and setting age limits on buying a gun. Yes the last one will push the bounds on the 2A but more lives will be saved than lost. The 2A never imagined the collective action problem we now have.

    AJ_Liberty (f31db3)

  157. I don’t know that multiculturalism is the major issue.

    Well, it has fractured the idea of a common culture, which you might call “Americanism”, and left us disconnected from each other, fighting for whatever spoils “our” faction can wrest from the others.

    Now what meant to be “American” in 1920 and in 1980 were different things, but there was a cohesion of communities still in 1980. The splintering of Americans into racial, ethnic, sexual and economic groups has not been a good thing. In the end it has led to those groups in power ignoring the needs of the groups out of power, and in self-serving brought us to the day when electing Trump seemed like a good idea.

    As so disaffected people go to the mall where all those “others” shop and shoot up the place, acting out their rage.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  158. RIP Vida Blue (73):

    The 1971 winner of both the AL MVP and Cy Young awards, Blue’s playing career spanned three decades with the Oakland Athletics, Kansas City Royals and two stints with the San Francisco Giants.
    …………
    The left-hander played an integral role in the 1973 and 1974 (Oakland World Series) titles. …….
    …………
    Blue threw a no-hitter in 1970 and was part of a combined no-hitter in 1975. He appeared in six All-Star Games and was the first pitcher to start All-Star Games for each league, the AL in 1971 and the NL in 1978 while a member of the Giants.
    ###########

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  159. OTOH, Nic, this from John Brunner’s 1968 Hugo-winning novel “Stand on Zanzibar“, a prescient look forward to 2010.

    “It’s no coincidence … that we have muckers.

    (Background: ‘mucker’ is an Anglicisation of ‘amok’. Don’t believe anyone who says it’s a shifted pronunication of ‘mugger’. You can survive a mugger, but if you want to survive a mucker the best way is not to be there when it happens.)

    “Prior to the twentieth century the densest concentration of human beings was almost certainly found in Asian cities. … When too many people got in your way you armed yourself with a panga or a kris and went out to cut some throats. It didn’t matter if you were educated in their use or not—the people you came up against were in their normal frame of reference and died. You were in the berserk frame of reference.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  160. yeah, I said NeverTrump

    So, we are either for Trump or against America? Why is Trump your God?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  161. you forgot the obvious. We are a less Christian society

    We never really were one, in practice. Even 100 years ago, religion was an act of conformity, not one of belief.

    and secular hedonism is the religion of the day.

    Well, I’d call it Secular Humanism, but yes. And it has been Established as such by the government.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  162. So, we are either for Trump or against America? Why is Trump your God?
    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:26 am

    LOL ask someone who backs Trump in the primary

    JF (4f7385)

  163. (DeSantis is) already too tied to Trump to be anything but VP (and would Trump really “move” back to NY?).

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 5:47 pm

    Trump could move back to New Jersey, I’m not sure which one is worse.

    Also, it’s a common misconception that the Constitution requires presidential and vice presidential candidates be from different states.

    Article II, paragraph 3 states that “The electors … shall vote for two persons, of whom one at least shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves.” It’s a bit of unclear, but what it prohibits is an elector from casting both of his or her votes for candidates from the same state in which the elector lives.

    So an elector from Florida could cast his vote for Trump but not a VP candidate also from Florida.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  164. @148:

    nk, perhaps, but NONE of that was due to regulation. Only automatic weapons were banned. Creating a semi-auto version of the AK-47 would have been technically possible since the 1950s. It just wasn’t done due more to lack of demand than anything. Double-stacking was an innovation that came later, but you could do plenty of damage with a 1911 and a sack of clips anytime in the last 100 years.

    Pretty sure that anyone with the money could have bought his choice of semiautos and reloads in Dallas in 1960, subject only to the judgement of the gun store owner.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  165. To summarize JF:

    Democrats want Trump.

    Nevertrump wants Trump

    So who doesn’t want Trump? Besides himself?

    Appalled (d1fce3)

  166. I’m in favor of testing prospective buyers (of AR-15s), that they’re mentally or psychologically proficient to possess them.

    I’ve said that a national gun license, based on a thorough background check that included interviews, might be the solution. If done evenhandedly (and this means it has to be national), it need only be done once, perhaps with periodic callbacks.

    The current system, where a “background check” is done every time one buys a gun, is inherently cursory and probably electronic. It has proven to be inadequate, but a more involved one cannot be done frequently without being costly and so time-consuming that it would impose a unconstitutional burden.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  167. So who doesn’t want Trump? Besides himself?

    Melania?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  168. LOL ask someone who backs Trump in the primary

    And you criticize #NeverTrump?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  169. My starting point would be (1) licensing, (2) red flag laws with due process, (3) background checks for private sales, (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and (5) banning large-capacity magazines. Personally I would favor registration too, just like with cars, limiting mass purchases of guns/ammo, and setting age limits on buying a gun. Yes the last one will push the bounds on the 2A but more lives will be saved than lost. The 2A never imagined the collective action problem we now have.

    I would oppose most of this. A solid background check (something like getting a SECRET clearance*) for a license, coupled with red-flag license revocation, should be sufficient.

    I really object to blocking suicide — suicide is a basic human right, if not the most basic one.

    Banning large magazines is a feel-good thing that does little. Every mass shooter takes a bunch of reloads anyway. If you restrict them, lessening the ability for self-defense, why not restrict them for cops? I’ll bet they dislike losing their double-stacked Glocks.

    There should be no rules on ammo. Target shooters need a lot of ammo. “One size fits all” is usually a lie.

    ———–
    * or at least how it’s supposed to be

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  170. And you criticize #NeverTrump?
    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:52 am

    you mean the #NeverTrump who opposes Trump’s main primary opponent?

    JF (4f7385)

  171. The NRA has gone from a hunting organization to a gun advocacy organization, promoting the need for self defense.

    To be fair to you, you do not specify when this was ever so, but originally a hunting organization? All lot of people thought that a while back, too:

    “Sixty-seven years ago, when the National Rifle Association held its first tournament, sportsmen ran the show,” TIME reported in 1940, by which point there were more civilian rifle clubs in the U.S. than there were golf clubs. “But in 1903, when Congress recognized the N. R. A. and appropriated funds to help stage a bigger, broader tournament, the national rifle and pistol matches became the War Department’s baby.

    That’s Time‘s take, for just one. The NRA has its own, too, but can they be trusted to be truthful?

    My father was a great hunting enthusiast, just like his friends, but never a member of the NRA. Maybe because he was a Democrat. But I never asked him about it. of course, I grew up in a childhood bubble – like we all do did.

    felipe (34a009)

  172. Bah! I messed up the quoting format. A pox on this site’s lack of preview! I’ll be going back to my dotage, now…

    felipe (34a009)

  173. I’m in favor of testing prospective buyers (of AR-15s), that they’re mentally or psychologically proficient to possess them.

    The AR-15/M-16 was designed for feebs. (Well, officially, for Air Force base personnel but that’s not important.)

    It has no recoil to speak of, and any 90-lb. myasthenic can hold it by the pistol grip and forearm and empty a 30-round magazine as fast as he can bend his butt-scratching finger, spraying a whole room like it was a play-pool water blaster. Very little practice needed, the most at changing magazines. The noise is the hardest part.

    nk (bb1548)

  174. A license shouldn’t be required for a constitutional right. Also such things as background checks, limitations on the quantity of gun/ammo purchases, mental exams, etc. will not pass Bruen’s reliance on how firearms were regulated throughout American history.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  175. …………
    Federal courts tasked with makes difficult empirical judgments regarding firearm regulations under the banner of “intermediate scrutiny” often defer to the determinations of legislatures. While judicial deference to legislative interest balancing is understandable—and, elsewhere, appropriate—it is not deference that the Constitution demands here. The Second Amendment “is the very product of an interest balancing by the people,” and it “surely elevates above all other interests the right of law-abiding, responsible citizens to use arms” for self-defense. Heller, 554 U. S., at 635. Pp. 15–17.

      (3) The test that the Court set forth in Heller and applies today requires courts to assess whether modern firearms regulations are consistent with the Second Amendment’s text and historical understanding. Of course, the regulatory challenges posed by firearms today are not always the same as those that preoccupied the Founders in 1791 or the Reconstruction generation in 1868. But the Constitution can, and must, apply to circumstances beyond those the Founders specifically anticipated, even though its meaning is fixed according to the understandings of those who ratified it. See, e.g., United States v. Jones, 565 U. S. 400, 404–405. Indeed, the Court recognized in Heller at least one way in which the Second Amendment’s historically fixed meaning applies to new circumstances: Its reference to “arms” does not apply “only [to] those arms in existence in the 18th century.” 554 U. S., at 582.

     To determine whether a firearm regulation is consistent with the Second Amendment, Heller and McDonald point toward at least two relevant metrics: first, whether modern and historical regulations impose a comparable burden on the right of armed self-defense, and second, whether that regulatory burden is comparably justified. Because “individual self-defense is ‘the central component’ of the Second Amendment right,” these two metrics are “ ‘central’ ” considerations when engaging in an analogical inquiry. McDonald, 561 U. S., at 767 (quoting Heller, 554 U. S., at 599).

     To be clear, even if a modern-day regulation is not a dead ringer for historical precursors, it still may be analogous enough to pass constitutional muster. ……….

    Source

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  176. I think Desantis is winning. We’re early on here. All the die-hard politicos are opposed to Desantis, much as they were Cruz in 2016. Desantis is a lot better than Cruz, and the things people complain about are his biggest assets. He’s not a polished guy, he’s not lively on TV, he’s boring. He won a swing state twice, the second time with the same people hoping to make him lose that want him to lose the primary. He’s taken in Disney, which is clever – some will say it was stupid because they only believe in the status quo, but the status quo in our country is decline and ugly shock politics.

    Polls right now aren’t a measurement, they are a manipulation. Trump will get lots and lots of free media to help him overcome, and it’s a fight against the people who want to change us back to normal, vs the ones who live on the internet debating politics.

    Biden or Trump criticism is kinda like the folks complaining about global warming. If you mean it, you don’t hop in a private jet every couple weeks. I want to get back to the time when Bush was called Hitler and a chimpanzee, but we all knew he was a moderate guy playing the hands he’s dealt as best as he could for the USA, not really for partisan politics too much. I want to get back to laughing when President Desantis is labeled the existential threat to all that is good, but this time, we all realize it’s plausible.

    As for Trump vs Biden again, I sincerely doubt Biden’s really running.

    If it’s Harris, M. Obama vs Desantis, Abbott, that’s a true question about the direction of the country, rather than a contest over who we are most scared of (though the click-bait bloggers and such only really know the chords to one song).

    Dustin (ca9131)

  177. I don’t want Trump to be the Republican nominee for the obvious reasons, but I also don’t want a President DeSantis (with a compliant Republican majority in Congress) punishing corporations for taking positions or enacting policies that he disagrees with.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  178. Some people are having trouble adjusting to work life after Covid. That may be especially true for Texas Hispanics that don’t speak English. There used to be jobs for them but there aren’t as many now.

    DRJ (fda1b5)

  179. @148. Yep.

    @152. The ‘starting point’ – in so far as the U.S. is concerned- is the source from the first failed 18th century try; the Articles of Confederation; the then immediate reference to those times for the after thoughts quilled in the BoR, post ratifying the second 18th century try- the ancient Constitution for thirteen young, vulnerable, loosely bound-states-rights-clutching fledgling former colonies when militias were a necessity and single shot Brown Bessers were essentially the only firearm of choice available to arm a mustered militia– and bag squirrels and deer for dinner. No grocery stores of 7-11s then.

    It’s pretty straight forward. The fatal Heller error be damned; wrongly quilled by berobed, politicized and increasingly discredited bureaucrats– protected themselves by government security elements. The Founding Fathers quilled it: own arms; serve in a well-regulated militia.

    To obtain arms today- in the 21st century- as the first licensing step: you must serve in some capacity for a given period of time in a ‘well regulated militia.’ That alone would weed out plenty of lard-assed 21st century toy soldiers who wanna play army and power hungry nut bags and kerk-offs who stroke their rifles with penis envy. A well-regulated militia– that was the intent of the Founders in the 18th century trying to hold together 13 new independent states. Not the national carnage that has made the United States the laughing stock of the 21st century world and clearly NOT projecting a governmental model for emerging nations now reassessing and realigning in a New World Order. The FFs would be horrified witnessing the breadth and scope of self-inflicted citizen slaughter they’d unintentionally unleashed.

    As a problem emerged when freedom of travel was abused by a few; inhibited by a rise in aircraft hijackings– the 99.99999% of people who’d never even dream nor try to hijack a plane were FORCED to endure layer upon layer of restrictions and security checks to simply fly from one place to another turning travel from a pleasure to a nightmare by the powers that be– for their own safety. In my own lifetime a passenger could actually buy a plane ticket, obtain only a boarding pass, walk through passport control, board, uninhibited, a 707 and fly safely from NY to London. It was that easy. Unimaginable today. The many good were forced to change by a bad few. So it must be with gunownership in America and the original intent of the 2nd Amendment quilled in that centuries ago for a time long past.

    Then we can get around to dumping the 3rd Amendment, wholly irrelevant in the 21st century: ‘The Third Amendment to the United States Constitution prohibits the quartering of soldiers in homes. While the relevance of the third amendment in modern times is limited, at the time the Constitution was ratified, quartering of soldiers was a major issue.’

    DCSCA (3be5f3)

  180. So an elector from Florida could cast his vote for Trump but not a VP candidate also from Florida.
    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:32 am

    Thank you Captain Obvious. More of your “Smartest Person in the Room” syndrome.

    Florida has 29 electoral votes, and is a must-win state for the GOP. No campaign is going to kiss those 29 votes off at either end of the ticket.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  181. Trump’s full court press:

    ………….
    Trump has told advisers he remembers well what happened in Louisiana during the 2016 race. After winning the primary, he was outmaneuvered by his chief rival, Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas), who understood that it was the state’s delegates that mattered at the Republican National Convention.
    ……….
    Now engaged in another delegate battle, Trump has been aggressively courting party leaders — in Louisiana and elsewhere — who are expected to be delegates at the party’s 2024 convention in Milwaukee. …….
    …………
    ………… State party leaders and others who are active in Republican politics typically become delegates — and Trump has lavished attention on them since leaving the White House.
    …………
    …………(L)ast year the former president spoke remotely to a meeting of the South Carolina GOP executive committee. He also has placed full-page ads in Iowa Republican Party publications. And when Trump launched his 2024 bid, his first campaign stop was at a meeting of the New Hampshire Republican Party.
    …………
    ………… When Trump isn’t with future delegates in-person, he is finding other ways to reach them. When the Missouri Republican Party met in February, Trump called the state party chair, Nick Myers, who put the former president on speakerphone so he could address the audience.

    In Michigan, he has worked to ensure he is on smooth footing with Kristina Karamo, the state’s newly elected party chair. ………

    Trump has used his much-coveted endorsement as a tool to win over would-be delegates. Early this year, the former president provided his support to Caleb Heimlich during his successful race for reelection as Washington State GOP chair. ………
    ………….
    Trump advisers believe their early outreach will give them a head start over rival candidates, who lack Trump’s long-standing connections to party officials.
    ………..
    ……..(M)any state party leaders say, that Trump has a massive organizational head start over other candidates when it comes to wooing future delegates.
    …………
    “They have done quite a bit in the way of staying in touch,” (Mike Brown, the chair of the Kansas Republican Party) said of the Trump campaign. “When it comes to the other campaigns, candidly, I haven’t heard from anybody.”
    ##########

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  182. 181, in addition to post COVID, there is more direct competition for fewer jobs -probably more native born teenagers moving in with their families and less wanderlust to see other places amongst young adult lifetime Texans (TX always had a disproportionate presence within the Navy, for example).

    urbanleftbehind (3057a8)

  183. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 11:38 am

    Your comment saying

    (DeSantis is) already too tied to Trump to be anything but VP (and would Trump really “move” back to NY?).

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/6/2023 @ 5:47 pm

    implied that Trump would need to move back to NY if DeSantis ran as his VP. I don’t know what other interpretation there could be.

    As far the “smartest man in the room” goes, that is obviously Sammy. 😉

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc)

  184. I think we’ve grossly over-romanticized the gun and that cultural predilection gives us more senseless shootings. The NRA has gone from a hunting organization to a gun advocacy organization, promoting the need for self defense. There’s big money involved and there’s a lot of identity involved too. There’s no easy way to back out of this situation but let’s be honest…it hasn’t always been like this.

    This is flatly untrue. The NRA initially opposed the National Firearms Act of 1934, which originally attempted to put revolvers and other pistols on the same restricted list as Tommy guns, sawed off shotguns and heavier weapons. In a deal to get the NRA’s acquiescence, legislators removed the restriction on pistols and would not attempt to add that later. But they did try again a few years later, something the NRA has never forgotten.

    An organization that adamantly protects the rights to keep and bear handguns is not “just a hunting group” but firmly in the self-defense civil-rights arena. As far back as 1934.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  185. I don’t know what other interpretation there could be.

    If you assume it was a legal, and not a political observation, you’d be correct. But that’s your assumption, not what I said.

    And you give Sammy a run for his money, but I accept the point. Unlike Sammy you never tell us what someone was “really thinking.”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  186. It’s been a bloody weekend in TX.

    BROWNSVILLE, Texas (ValleyCentral) – Brownsville police say seven people were killed Sunday morning and it appears they may have been intentionally run over by a motorist.
    […]
    Lt. Martin Sandoval said seven victims died at the scene and another 10 victims were taken to area hospitals.

    Sandoval said the driver was arrested on charges of reckless driving. Sandoval said more charges will likely be filed. He said it is looking more and more like an intentional act.

    Good grief.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  187. Desantis is a lot better than Cruz, and the things people complain about are his biggest assets

    DeSantis is not as good as the 2016 model of Cruz. Things have changed, though.

    I don’t see Abbot adding anything to a DeSantis ticket (unless he wants to point at someone meaner). It would be good if he could pick someone from the Northeast, Midwest or Northwest to balance the ticket. As much as I’d like Nikki or Tim there, and all-south ticket is unbalanced. Charlie Baker, Phil Scott or Larry Hogan. Maybe Chris Sununu.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  188. Phil Scott

    ?

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  189. https://nypost.com/2023/05/06/texas-mall-shooter-caught-on-dash-cam-opening-fire-on-shoppers/

    Allen, TX., dashcam slaughter. Horrid.

    There’s no excuse for local authorities failing to inform the public and hold pressers. It has the stink of Uvalde. Texas is one fvcked up state.

    DCSCA (056bda)

  190. The Iowa chicks and Noem make RDS look short, ugly, and possibly a child with his mom.

    I’m trying to think who from the NW, but WA, OR doesn’t have a bench yet. Perhaps the ID gov or Zinke? Gianforte might bring out the Sopranos theme music.

    I would say Sununu, that’s as far you get out of Trump without being never Trump

    urbanleftbehind (002e5b)

  191. A license shouldn’t be required for a constitutional right. Also such things as background checks, limitations on the quantity of gun/ammo purchases, mental exams, etc. will not pass Bruen’s reliance on how firearms were regulated throughout American history.

    They are all part of regulating a militia. The ban of felons (and the insane and drug addicts) is less than 100 years old and yet Heller and Bruen found it passable. A full background check to determine if an applicant falls into a prohibited class (particularly the “insane” group) is not unreasonable.

    I very much doubt that laws along those same lines, or to use modern enforcement methods, will be a problem for the Court.

    Licensing is a form of regulation of who may be part of the greater militia, especially if the reasons for exclusion pass other constitutional tests, and — in keeping with the 1st part of the 14th Amendment — is nationally uniform.

    I agree about local laws about limits on ammo, numbers of weapons or common magazine capacities, or arbitrary, capricious and harassing limits on what weapons are available. These can all be handled with federal preemption, if necessary.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  192. The Iowa chicks and Noem make RDS look short, ugly, and possibly a child with his mom.

    I’m trying to think who from the NW, but WA, OR doesn’t have a bench yet. Perhaps the ID gov or Zinke? Gianforte might bring out the Sopranos theme music.

    I would say Sununu, that’s as far you get out of Trump without being never Trump

    Noem, Little and Reynolds trail their state’s generic R+ ranking by double digits, meaning that sizable numbers of GOP voters in those red states don’t like them. Gianforte is barely above par. The ones I mentioned are well-liked in Democrat states.

    DeWine is possible.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  193. Allen, TX., dashcam slaughter. Horrid.

    And, in a crowded TX mall, no one was packing except the shooter and a cop who just happened to be there. Nowhere does the MSM disclose why this is, but it’s pretty obvious. Leaving that fact out is part of the MSM lie.

    The only “fact” leaking out is that maybe he was a white supremacist. When that doesn’t play out, it’s the last thing we will hear. The narrative must be protected.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  194. Ruby’s Diner, continued.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  195. “I would oppose most of this.”

    Background checks for private sales has 70% approval. On what basis would you be against it?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  196. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 12:05 pm

    It’s a little early to think of a DeSantis VP-right now he’s a huge underdog for the nomination.

    Charlie Baker or Larry Hogan probably don’t support DeSantis’s culture war crusade (I haven’t heard any statements from them); Sununu definitely doesn’t; and TrumpWorld wouldn’t support a ticket with Darling Nikki (except with Trump).

    Phil Scott is too far left for the national Republican Party:

    Of his views, Scott has said: “I am very much a fiscal conservative. But not unlike most Republicans in the Northeast, I’m probably more on the left of center from a social standpoint … I am a pro-choice Republican.”

    He also supported Trump’s impeachment and said he voted for Biden.

    Maybe Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  197. @NJRob@147 “secular hedonism” I don’t think people are shooting each other because they are getting off too much.

    @Kevin@160 I don’t think we ever had a more united idea of Americanism, I think that’s a myth we tell ourselves. Some of the fractures used to look different: urban vs rural, industrial vs agricultural, slaveholders vs abolitionists, nativists vs Irish, Polish, Italian, Chinese; but they were still there. Frex, in the 1920s the KKK burned a cross in front of my gr gr aunt’s one room (live in) school house for daring to be a CATHOLIC school teacher.

    Nic (896fdf)

  198. He also supported Trump’s impeachment and said he voted for Biden.

    Maybe Sarah Huckabee Sanders.

    That’s the basic problem with Republicans who can get votes from Democrats (or even the center). They are not alt-Right zealots. Another Southerner will reinforce the argument (one Biden will surely make) that the GOP is a regional party (with pictures of Klan rallies).

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  199. The ban of felons (and the insane and drug addicts) is less than 100 years old and yet Heller and Bruen found it passable.

    Bans on felons possessing firearms weren’t directly addressed in either case as you know, it was dicta as examples of being possibly constitutional under the new standards.

    I think that a felon that committed financial fraud poses a much lower threat to society than one who committed a violent crime. I expect in the future there will be challenges to the blanket prohibition on felony possession based that distinction.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  200. DeSantis is not as good as the 2016 model of Cruz. Things have changed, though.

    I disagree with this. Desantis is a successful veteran, and a re-elected governor of a swing state with good economic progress. Cruz is, at the end of the day, a very smart appellate attorney. In 2016, he had yet to really show his character. Desantis has shown us his character for the most part. He’s got a similar populist MO, which I recognize is unpopular with Trump’s critics, but it’s not just words for a re-elected governor.

    Also, Desantis is handling Trump more maturely, learning from Biden’s dominant performance vs. Trump, and obviously improving it. You don’t beat Trump by treating him like a normal person and addressing his arguments. You beat Trump by treating him like a senile moviestar who brags about groping young, intimidated women.

    Dustin (22db23)

  201. TX mass shooter identified as 33-year-old Mauricio Garcia is a gun, and Republicans who let people have guns.

    Brownsville driver mass murderer yet to be identified, though there’s a picture of him and his car and they have his license plate. Could be you, could be me, anybody, just can’t figure out who it is is a vehicle.

    JF (8c6454)

  202. Update on Dallas shooting:

    The suspect in a deadly mall shooting in Allen, Texas, that left eight dead and several others injured Saturday has been identified by law enforcement sources, Fox News Digital has learned.

    Records obtained by Fox News Digital indicate the suspect is 33-year-old Mauricio Martinez Garcia of Dallas, Texas.

    The suspect’s age, address, and vehicle matches the description of details law enforcement provided.

    The suspect’s last known address is approximately 30 miles south of the shooting at Allen Premium Outlets in Dallas, Texas, and appears to be the Budget Suites of America.

    Multiple FBI agents reported to a home in the Northeast Patrol division of Dallas, with several Dallas Police officers standing outside on Sunday. Multiple sources said the home is where the suspected 30-something-year-old shooter lives with his parents.

    The agents were reportedly speaking with family inside the home. A translator was reportedly requested by the family.

    FBI agents also joined police Sunday morning to search the suspect’s home, where neighbors said he has been living for years.

    Fox News Digital has reached out to Texas Gov. Greg Abbott, Texas DPS, and Allen police for comment.

    Some interesting details in there, for certain.

    JVW (850d21)

  203. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 12:28 pm

    South Dakota’s party registration is the polar opposite of California’s:

    49% Republican
    25% Democratic
    24% Non-partisan

    She won her last election with 61% of the vote, so a lot of non-Republicans voted for her. The problem is that she would be perceived as the next Sarah Palin: woman, relatively unknown, small state governor.

    But her advantages are that her political views already support either Trump or DeSantis and she is relatively young (51).

    In the end people vote for the head of ticket, not the VP.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  204. Looks like I have a comment in moderation…not sure why….though the word gun was in there

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  205. “I really object to blocking suicide — suicide is a basic human right, if not the most basic one.”

    Around 20,000 people die by gun suicide. Mostly because it’s so easy. What do you think those red flag laws you say you support in part protect against? A lot of suicide ideation is untreated depression. Maybe therapy and some time away from lethal weapons are better options.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  206. I released it, AJ.

    Dana (560c99)

  207. The “DeSantis is a veteran” argument is pretty weak. He was JAG officer (aka lawyer) deployed to Gitmo and Iraq. Not exactly at the point of the spear.

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc)

  208. A license shouldn’t be required for a constitutional right.

    OFGS: you must register – aka- be ‘licensed’ to exercise your right to vote.

    DCSCA (000d33)

  209. Texas shooter lived with his mother — and was ‘right-wing death squad’ member interested in neo-Nazis: police

    Fox News is reporting more information about the man who opened fire at the mall in Allen, Texas on Saturday. According to the report, the police were searching the home of the shooter, which he shared with his two parents. The 33-year-old Mauricio Martinez Garcia lived in Dallas.

    “Neighbors said Garcia had lived in the home with his parents for years,” said Fox, “and they had never seen him in possession of a weapon. They told WFAA that he could often be seen going to and from the house in an outfit that suggested he worked in a security role. Despite the regular sightings, neighbors added that both the man and his gray Dodge Charger had frequently been missing in recent weeks.”

    Eight people were killed and seven injured. After the gunman was shot by a responding officer, a photo showed the man with an AR-15 and many rounds of ammunition strapped to him, CNN reported Sunday.

    “We are horrified by today’s senseless tragedy and outraged by the violence that continues to plague our country. Our thoughts and prayers are with the victims, their families and others affected by this heinous act. We are thankful for the police officer’s heroic actions and for the support of all the first responders,” the mall said in a statement about the ordeal.

    The motivation for the attack was right-wing extremism, CNN said, citing a local law enforcement official. He had RW-DS on his clothing, which police claim means “right-wing death squad.” NBC News explained in greater detail, “suspected Allen, Texas mall shooter Mauricio Garcia interacted with neo-Nazi and white supremacist content online, according to two senior law enforcement officials. – https://www.rawstory.com/allen-texas-shooter-right-wing-squad/

    Memo to Texas authorities; Nature abhors a vacuum; failure to hold pressers and only allow speculation to fill the void. Silence is your enemy.

    DCSCA (000d33)

  210. OFGS: you must register – aka- be ‘licensed’ to exercise your right to vote.

    DCSCA (000d33) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:23 pm

    Voting is a privilege, not a right, which is why states can bar felons from voting:

    In 23 states, felons lose their voting rights only while incarcerated, and receive automatic restoration upon release. ……..

    In 14 states, felons lose their voting rights during incarceration, and for a period of time after, typically while on parole and/or probation. ……..

    In 11 states, felons lose their voting rights indefinitely for some crimes, or require a governor’s pardon for voting rights to be restored, face an additional waiting period after completion of sentence (including parole and probation) or require additional action before voting rights can be restored. ……..

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  211. 211. The rumor that gets passed around is that he was a gatherer of urine samples.

    urbanleftbehind (002e5b)

  212. A$$hole of the Month: Keith Self [R], an American politician and former county judge who is the United States representative for Texas’s 3rd congressional district.

    Self, a lifetime member of the NRA, stated following the mass shooting in his district at the Allen Premium Outlets on May 6th, 2023, that killed 9, including a 5yr old child, and injured 7 others, that the reason [thoughts and] prayers are not working as a solution to gun violence is because “Well, those are people that don’t believe in an almighty god who has, who is absolutely in control of our lives.”

    God helps those who help themselves. IDIOT.

    DCSCA (000d33)

  213. The “DeSantis is a veteran” argument is pretty weak. He was JAG officer (aka lawyer) deployed to Gitmo and Iraq. Not exactly at the point of the spear.

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:16 pm

    That’s profoundly disrespectful to the vast majority of the military.

    As you said, he was deployed more than once, and he served honorably, and surely understands the military on a level Biden, Trump, Cruz, Harris, Obama, Romney, etc do not.

    I didn’t say DeSantis was in Delta Force. I said he was a vet. My argument isn’t weak, it’s actually just plain 100% true. I’m sorry if the military service of so many others did not live up to your high standards.

    What was your MOS, might I ask?

    Dustin (22db23)

  214. @213. 15th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution:

    Section 1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. Section 2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

    DCSCA (000d33)

  215. DCSCA (000d33) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:23 pm

    See also Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974), in which the Court held, 6–3, that convicted felons could be barred from voting without violating the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  216. Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:40 pm

    I served in the Office of Naval Intelligence for most of my 20. That’s all I will say.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  217. @218. Which doesn’t refute the point that to ‘register’ is aka being licensed to vote.

    DCSCA (000d33)

  218. She won her last election with 61% of the vote, so a lot of non-Republicans voted for her.

    With the 59% voter turnout, she could have won 61% of the vote with zero help from non-Republicans.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  219. I served in the Office of Naval Intelligence for most of my 20. That’s all I will say.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:52 pm

    Were you enlisted or an officer in the US Military? Seems like you’re being evasive about it, but you judged someone’s military service as, I quote you, “pretty weak.”

    What was your MOS?

    Dustin (22db23)

  220. any 90-lb. myasthenic can hold it by the pistol grip and forearm and empty a 30-round magazine as fast as he can bend his butt-scratching finger, spraying a whole room like it was a play-pool water blaster

    nk (bb1548) — 5/7/2023 @ 10:43 am

    Good stuff, nk!

    norcal (15fce4)

  221. How many presidential candidates are plausible for Rip to support who have war-veteran military service that Rip Murdock isn’t going to insult as too weak?

    Is this a Tulsi Gabbard thing? Or is it that DeSantis is the one guy that we’re supposed to bash irrationally, to the point of crapping on the military service of millions of people, like Rip Murdock did?

    Dustin (22db23)

  222. Dustin,

    Rip doesn’t want DeSantis to gain traction so he will say whatever is necessary to justify his position. It’s partisanship.

    I admit to being a partisan, but I can see the big picture. If people cannot admit that DeSantis has been a successful governor and good for the state (he beat Gillium and Christ) well I don’t know what to say.

    NJRob (f6a0a8)

  223. Crist*

    NJRob (f6a0a8)

  224. Dustin (ca9131) — 5/7/2023 @ 10:52 am

    Great comment, Dustin. I believe DeSantis is a significant improvement from Trump, and will pivot to the center (and away from the more concerning things he has said and done) if he captures the nomination. That’s just how the dance works.

    It’s not a matter of who the most “pure” candidate is, as certain commenters here seem focused on. No, no, no. It’s where the people are. Sure, leaders are supposed to persuade, but even persuasion has an Overton window. The further away you get from the voters’ climate of opinion, the less chance you have.

    DeSantis (whom some refer to as Trump lite) may be the limit as to what the voters will accept when it comes to deviating from MAGA orthodoxy.

    norcal (15fce4)

  225. Yikes! One more time.

    Dustin (ca9131) — 5/7/2023 @ 10:52 am

    Great comment, Dustin. I believe DeSantis is a significant improvement from Trump, and will pivot to the center (and away from the more concerning things he has said and done) if he captures the nomination. That’s just how the dance works.

    It’s not a matter of who the most “pure” candidate is, as certain commenters here seem focused on. No, no, no. It’s where the people are. Sure, leaders are supposed to persuade, but even persuasion has an Overton window. The further away you get from the voters’ climate of opinion, the less chance you have.

    DeSantis (whom some refer to as Trump lite) may be the limit as to what the voters will accept when it comes to deviating from MAGA orthodoxy.

    norcal (15fce4)

  226. Thinking Big:

    ………..
    “I will be the first presidential candidate to say I will end race-based affirmative action.”

    It is a questionable assertion, because Ben Carson made ending affirmative action central to his 2016 campaign. But to the overwhelmingly white audiences that Mr. Ramaswamy, the son of Indian immigrants, is addressing, the promise goes over well. ……… But his pledge to end racial preferences by executive order could be more complicated than he makes it sound.

    “I will shut down the fourth branch of government, the administrative state. You cannot tame that beast. You must end it.”

    Mr. Ramaswamy insists that he will go much further than former President Donald J. Trump did to “drain the swamp” of the “Deep State.” And he says he will do it unilaterally, ending Civil Service protections by executive order, imposing eight-year term limits on federal positions, shuttering the Education Department and replacing the F.B.I., the I.R.S., and other agencies. ………

    “We will use our military to annihilate the Mexican drug cartels.”

    ………Mr. Ramaswamy mused about using a (New Hampshirite) precision-weapons plant to elaborate on his threat of military action against organized crime across the southern border in Mexico. Never mind that such a strike would be against a U.S. ally and neighbor. ………

    “How about a constitutional amendment to make the voting age 25, but you can still vote at 18 if you serve the country or pass the civics test my mother passed to become a citizen?”
    ………..
    “Today we depend on our main enemy for our entire modern way of life. That is a problem. The Declaration of Independence that I will sign as your next president will be our Declaration of Independence from Communist China.”

    Mr. Ramaswamy says confronting China would be his top foreign policy priority, and it will entail short-term pain. He would prevent American businesses from expanding into Chinese markets unless “our demands are met” by Beijing. Those include more intellectual property protections and an end to required joint ventures with state-controlled businesses. Unwinding consumer dependence on China would be difficult and economically distressing, he concedes, but he said the endeavor would be the essence of citizen sacrifice and would forge national unity.
    ##########

    Related:

    The Smooth-Talking Republican Who Would Rule by Fiat

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  227. 69. Paul Montagu (8f0dc7) — 5/6/2023 @ 12:00 pm

    Jordan Neeley, the erratic homeless guy who was choked out in a subway. No, AOC, it wasn’t murder, but it was tragic.

    I think it was probably first degree murder (except we don’t have that any more) unless you want to say the Marine was angry and out of control of himself, and maybe you want to give him some credit for acting in the capacity of a “Good Samaritan”

    Don’t Marines get survival training? Don’t they get training about drowning? Don’t they know that somebody can’t go for more than 2 or 3 minutes (and that’s a lot) without oxygen? And then he might have crushed his windpipe.

    What did he think he was doing? Fulfilling Neely’s stated wish to die?

    He killed an obviously brain damaged individual. He didn’t give him an opportunity to surrender.

    Yes Jordan Neely was harassing people – a bit, and had been arrested 40 times over the years, sometimes for assault. He should have been ignored, or argued with, or, at worse, punched- because even brain damaged individuals pay attention to physical force

    This was worse than Bernard Goetz. Bernard Goetz confronted 4 people who were trying to frighten people into handing them money, Here he was dealing with only one individual.

    But the protests are wrong or unbalanced. There’s people who have pushed people onto the tracks.

    Sammy Finkelman (5929e2)

  228. Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:22 pm

    How many presidential candidates are plausible for Rip to support who have war-veteran military service that Rip Murdock isn’t going to insult as too weak?

    Service in the military is not a requirement for me to support a presidential candidate. The two plausible (but unelectable) candidates I could support (Sununu or Hutchinson) didn’t serve in military. I like them because of their opposition to using government to punish corporations for their political statements or internal policies.

    Criticizing one person’s military service isn’t “crapping” on all military vets (as noted above I am one also). It’s just like a military lawyer is not same as someone who served on the ground in combat in Afghanistan or Iraq.

    DeSantis’s Iraq service was limited to serving as the legal advisor to the the SEAL Commander of the Special Operations Task Force-West, not in combat. Those are the ones who deserve our thanks.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  229. Those are the ones who deserve our thanks.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:47 pm

    I have to disagree, Rip. They all deserve our thanks.

    Just concede Dustin’s point, and move on. It’s okay to be fallible once in a while.

    norcal (15fce4)

  230. I believe DeSantis is a significant improvement from Trump, and will pivot to the center (and away from the more concerning things he has said and done) if he captures the nomination. That’s just how the dance works.

    He’s stuck with the six-week abortion law he signed and Disney’s lawsuit. And discovery should be occurring sometime in 2024.

    No getting away from these positions.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  231. Service in the military is not a requirement for me

    Weird, you JUST SAID DeSantis’s military service was “pretty weak” as an argument for him, yet the standard you’re expressing for everyone else is “zero.” Seems like DeSantis’s service is not weak by your standard, and drastically surpasses it, as he served honorably in a war and all.

    Dustin (22db23)

  232. Just concede Dustin’s point, and move on. It’s okay to be fallible once in a while.

    norcal (15fce4) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:53 pm

    There’s no point to concede. We just have different opinions.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  233. Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:01 pm

    Yeah, I don’t like either of those things, but if they help him beat Trump, so be it. A new abortion law could be enacted once people start to squirm under the draconian one, and I suspect the lawsuit could be settled without mortally wounding DeSantis.

    Once again, you have no argument from me about who the most “pure” candidate is. The question is what is politically feasible.

    norcal (15fce4)

  234. Weird, you JUST SAID DeSantis’s military service was “pretty weak” as an argument for him, yet the standard you’re expressing for everyone else is “zero.” Seems like DeSantis’s service is not weak by your standard, and drastically surpasses it, as he served honorably in a war and all.

    Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:04 pm

    As a lawyer.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  235. The agents were reportedly speaking with family inside the home. A translator was reportedly requested by the family.

    So, not the white supremacist, as was rumored yesterday. How did they get it so wrong?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  236. Yeah, I don’t like either of those things, but if they help him beat Trump, so be it. A new abortion law could be enacted once people start to squirm under the draconian one……..

    Will those two issues help him beat Biden (or whoever is the nominee)?

    I’m shocked he worked to enact the abortion ban just to win the Republican nomination. And if he bails on the Disney lawsuit during the primaries he will get roasted by Trump and Vivek.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  237. DeSantis’s military career is weak compared to anyone who has served in actual combat operations or in a combat unit.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb)

  238. DeSantis (whom some refer to as Trump lite) may be the limit as to what the voters will accept when it comes to deviating from MAGA orthodoxy.

    norcal (15fce4) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:29 pm

    Thanks for your great comments, as usual.

    All the persuasive arguments we’ve heard about Trump’s character, his flip flopping from supporting Pelosi and Schumer and Clinton into being a Republican, his flip flopping on bashing his loyal staff, his getting things handed to him, etc… Desantis isn’t a diet version of that… he simply isn’t like that at all.

    I don’t like DeSantis that much. I also don’t dislike him. He’s fine. He’s kinda boring, which I really do love, he served his country, which puts him way ahead of most politicians, he’s a re-elected executive, better yet, in a swing state. So he’s probably going to get his ass kicked, because the closer you get to Mitch Daniels, the less possible it is to survive in American politics. The thing that gets me are the people who act like the guy is terrible. Obviously he is not. I hear he’s horrible at politics… objectively speaking, nope.

    Trump got this weirdo advantage in 2016 because Hillary really did want to run against him. It fit her glass ceiling shattering narrative to run against the moviestar womanizer paying off Stormy and all that. It’s different now. Trump is extremely polarizing… far more than 8 years ago, so I think one reason he’s being pushed is simply that people pay attention. They click. They donate (either way). It’s good for CNN, it’s good for Steve Schmidt, it’s good for the corpse of the Breitbart projects. It’s good for America’s adversaries to keep us this polarized.

    And DeSantis isn’t really like that. That’s why people act like he’s more like a Bush family guy. He reminds them of a time when things were better, and for some reason they don’t like that, I guess.

    Dustin (22db23)

  239. She won her last election with 61% of the vote, so a lot of non-Republicans voted for her. The problem is that she would be perceived as the next Sarah Palin: woman, relatively unknown, small state governor.

    Her approval/disapproval is +14, in a R+31 state (SD).

    Charlie Baker, by contrast, has an approval margin of +53 in an R-33 state (MA)

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/how-every-senator-and-governor-ranks-according-to-popularity-above-replacement/

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  240. Background checks for private sales has 70% approval. On what basis would you be against it?

    Because it would be unnecessary with firearms licenses.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  241. it was dicta as examples of being possibly constitutional under the new standards.

    Dicta of that sort is pretty indicative of how that court would rule.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  242. DeSantis’s military career is weak compared to anyone who has served in actual combat operations or in a combat unit.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:17 pm

    No one but you is comparing him to a war hero. The vast majority of deployed soldiers weren’t combat arms. Frankly your argument is dumb. Anyone who served in the sand knows that the risks were there for anybody moving around. Almost half of my battery was killed in friendly fire, almost random, and I definitely don’t appreciate when people pretend there is some level of military service that isn’t good enough for them. The one category of person who will never talk crap like you have today is the war hero. They don’t need to.

    You already admitted you don’t even care if your president served at all. So in the context of a presidential candidate, you calling him ‘pretty weak’ was obviously not very honest.

    We live in a time of constant war. Obama threw away our Iraq victory. Biden and Trump threw away Afghanistan. Kurds, Ukraine, Taiwan. If it didn’t help their little angle, they can throw it away. I want the people willing to send others on deployments to have been deployed, or at least been willing.

    Dustin (22db23)

  243. The motivation for the attack was right-wing extremism, CNN said, citing a local law enforcement official. He had RW-DS on his clothing, which police claim means “right-wing death squad.” NBC News explained in greater detail, “suspected Allen, Texas mall shooter Mauricio Garcia interacted with neo-Nazi and white supremacist content online, according to two senior law enforcement officials. – https://www.rawstory.com/allen-texas-shooter-right-wing-squad/

    Sure.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  244. Will those two issues help him beat Biden (or whoever is the nominee)?

    I’m shocked he worked to enact the abortion ban just to win the Republican nomination. And if he bails on the Disney lawsuit during the primaries he will get roasted by Trump and Vivek.

    Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:14 pm

    Probably not, but he won’t even be able to take on Biden unless he gets the nomination first. All the candidates have to make their best guess as to what stances to make to secure the nomination before pivoting to the center after the primaries.

    It’s more art than science, because voters are fickle, and want contradictory things.

    norcal (15fce4)

  245. Voting is a privilege, not a right, which is why states can bar felons from voting:

    Voting is subject to the state, which can lose representation in the House if they curtail it significantly. The state is also subject to US law, under the 14th Amendment, about ways they CANNOT deny the ability to vote. There is also a hard age floor and a ban on poll taxes.

    It’s closer to a right than a privilege.

    Gun possession is a right, but there is a constitutional limitation of regulation. The current argument is what is the scope of that regulation. The current Democrat prescription is to ban some guns and add-ons from all people more than to ban all guns from some people.

    The current red-flag regime fails as half the mass shooters should have been red-flagged but weren’t. There is no data on people who were red-flagged out of spite, but the number is not zero. The background check system is rife with mistakes and bad/old data, and the need to give a result quickly and cheaply. It’s also inconvenient.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  246. He’s kinda boring, which I really do love, he served his country, which puts him way ahead of most politicians, he’s a re-elected executive, better yet, in a swing state. So he’s probably going to get his ass kicked, because the closer you get to Mitch Daniels, the less possible it is to survive in American politics.

    Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:17 pm

    Spot on.

    Mitch Daniels, alas, appears to be outside the Overton window of today’s voters. He’s a pre-Trump Republican, after all. The WORST kind.

    norcal (15fce4)

  247. Voting is subject to the state, which can lose representation in the House if they curtail it significantly.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:34 pm

    Are Congressional Districts allocated based on population, or number of eligible voters?

    norcal (15fce4)

  248. With driver’s licenses (and yes, driving is not a right), most people get a license on their first application and lose it only (and usually temporarily) for cause. They have to demonstrate a passing acquaintance with the traffic laws, minimal competence driving a car (there is no 16yo who is actually competent), and pass an eye test and not be subject to certain medical conditions.

    I see no reason why the same requirement is not placed on gun owners. It’s a reasonable regulation. I am not happy with all the things the do-gooders want to add to that though (bullet taxes, insurance, safe gun registries, storage rules) which are mostly harassment akin to poll taxes and literacy tests.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  249. Are Congressional Districts allocated based on population, or number of eligible voters?

    Amendment XIV, Section 2:

    Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age,* and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.

    This was mildly changed by Amendments XIX and XXVI to include women, and those over 18.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  250. You already admitted you don’t even care if your president served at all. So in the context of a presidential candidate, you calling him ‘pretty weak’ was obviously not very honest.

    It’s honest because that is how I feel about DeSantis personally, not how I judge others. Calling him a veteran is technically true, and to say he is an Iraqi veteran is also true, but it deserves more context. It’s like claiming that Dan Quayle was a veteran. Technically true, but……..

    If his campaign starts to emphasize his veteran status, one should remember he fought the war from behind a desk.

    Sadly, we cannot add a military service requirement (I would make 5 years) to the qualifications for President without a constitutional amendment.

    Thanks for the discussion, Dustin, but I think we have taken it as far as it can go.

    Rip Murdock (1370f4)

  251. See also Richardson v. Ramirez, 418 U.S. 24 (1974), in which the Court held, 6–3, that convicted felons could be barred from voting without violating the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.

    Considering that the text in 253 says exactly that (“except for participation in rebellion, or other crime”), it’s hard to see the other side’s argument.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  252. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:44 pm

    I see. Thank you.

    norcal (15fce4)

  253. <blockquote>Rip Murdock (3526bb) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:30 pm

    Bipartisan odd couple:

    On Wednesday night in Windham, New Hampshire, Ramaswamy suggested he would name Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the Democratic vaccine skeptic challenging President Joe Biden, as his running mate.

    Rip Murdock (94b93e)

  254. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 3:53 pm

    Section 2 makes an exception for denying voting rights to citizens because of “participation in rebellion, or other crimes. The Court said that this distinguishes felony disenfranchisement from other forms of voting restrictions, which must be narrowly tailored to serve compelling state interests in order to be constitutional.

    The Court also reviewed the legislative history of Section 2, and relied as well on the fact that when the Fourteenth Amendment was adopted in 1868, over half of the U.S. states allowed denying the right to vote to “persons convicted of felonies or infamous crimes.”

    Source

    Rip Murdock (94b93e)

  255. These shootings didn’t happen every day 30 years ago because our population has grown by 50% since 1990. When USA hits 1 Billion in population, the 1% of people who are brain damaged and violence prone will reach 10,000,000. It only takes 730 people out of 10,000,000 to create a 2 mass shootings per day average, or 365 very high achieving, hard working, competent at their chosen craft people who think killing others is the best and only appropriate solution for all disagreements.
    The other reason it seems like more is that back in newspaper days, 5 people shot in Chicago got 2 inches of newsprint somewhere in the middle of the national news pages, below the fold of the LA Times. I used to read two newspapers a day. National, Metro/Local and Sports. LA Times and SB New Press. I used to skim over articles in the “people shot in other locales besides home and LA” category, because there was nothing I could do about it. In my local paper, those shooting might not be mentioned at all unless 5 people died and 2 of them were babies. I think back then it also took 5 people, 2 of them babies to make network news. Now we have a front row seat view on a doorbell cam in high def

    steveg (5d18df)

  256. https://twitter.com/IAPolls2022/status/1655075868866228226

    ABC/WP POLL: 2024 Presidential Election Poll (𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬)

    (R) Trump — 49% (+7)
    (D) Biden — 42%

    (R) DeSantis — 48% (+7)
    (D) Biden — 41%

    ABC/WP (A) | n=1,006 | 04/28-05/03

    Rip,

    you somehow missed this poll.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  257. Rip,

    you somehow missed this poll.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 5/7/2023 @ 5:11 pm

    I love it!

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  258. I really don’t care about Bide’s performance, I really more interested in the Republican primary race. I don’t think Biden will be the Dem nominee anyway.

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  259. I was hoping Biden would have been impeached by now-don’t understand why it’s taking Comer so long to start hearings.

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  260. The 2024 presidential election should be a Republican blowout.

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  261. Ouch!

    ………….
    …………. Republicans Larry Elder, Perry Johnson, and Vivek Ramaswamy and Democrats Marianne Williamson and (Robert F.) Kennedy, all of whom have announced they are running for president, are lucky they are getting any attention at all.
    ………….
    Elder is a Black conservative who seems to be following Alan Keyes’ path to political obscurity, while Johnson and Ramaswamy are wealthy businessmen with no national name recognition.

    The 37-year-old, Ivy League-educated Ramaswamy got an inexplicably large chunk of time on Sunday’s Meet the Press. He has no experience in government, though he is smart enough to try to turn that into an asset by calling himself an “outsider.”

    “Outsider” is one word that comes to mind.
    ………….
    Democratic “no shots” Williamson and Kennedy at least have famous names. But both have political baggage from years outside the political mainstream.

    Williamson, 70, has already run for Congress (in 2014) and for president (in 2020). She is widely associated with “New Age” spiritual books and public appearances.

    Kennedy, who will turn 70 in January, is the son of former attorney general and Sen. Robert F. Kennedy. He is best known as an opponent of mandatory vaccinations, and his views on energy, the environment and foreign policy place him on the left fringe of the Democratic Party.
    ………….
    Of course, unforeseen events could intervene to change the fundamental parameters of the 2024 race. But even if that happens, the presidential long shots I’ve mentioned will fall back into obscurity. They simply can’t compete with former Govs. Nikki Haley of South Carolina and Asa Hutchinson of Arkansas, let alone Trump, DeSantis and Biden.
    ###########

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  262. The 2024 presidential election should be a Republican blowout.

    Like a Firestone tire on a Ford Explorer?

    nk (bb1548)

  263. The 2024 presidential election should be a Republican blowout.

    … just like the 2022 ‘Red Wave.’

    Oh. Wait.

    DCSCA (8c3ab8)

  264. ABC/WP POLL: 2024 Presidential Election Poll (𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐥𝐞𝐚𝐧𝐞𝐫𝐬)

    (R) Trump — 49% (+7)
    (D) Biden — 42%

    (R) DeSantis — 48% (+7)
    (D) Biden — 41%

    ABC/WP (A) | n=1,006 | 04/28-05/03

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 5/7/2023 @ 5:11 pm

    Should polls like this continue, the Dems will find a way to jettison Biden.

    norcal (15fce4)

  265. If his campaign starts to emphasize his veteran status, one should remember he fought the war from behind a desk.

    Yeah, I’m sure Democrats used to say that about Dwight Eisenhower too.

    I can’t stand my Congressman, Ted Lieu, who I think is a conniving popinjay, a preening demagogue, and an all-around phony. He has an annoying habit of deflecting criticism by citing his service in the Air Force JAG Corps, and saying bullstuff such as “I served my country so that you would have to freedom to say those things.” I know because he pulled that crap on me on Twitter one time. Yet I never had the inclination to denigrate his service just because he didn’t carry a weapon into combat. I guess if he ever pulls that line on me again, I can just reply that Rip Murdock doesn’t think his service amounts to very much. I’ll see how that goes over.

    JVW (d1812d)

  266. Like a Firestone tire on a Ford Explorer?

    nk (bb1548) — 5/7/2023 @ 5:42 pm

    Don’t be dissing Fords, Mister nk!

    And, by the way, my Mustang has Eagle GT tires, so take that!

    norcal (15fce4)

  267. my Congressman, Ted Lieu

    JVW (d1812d) — 5/7/2023 @ 6:46 pm

    Condolences

    norcal (15fce4)

  268. my Congressman, Ted Lieu

    JVW (d1812d) — 5/7/2023 @ 6:46 pm

    But hey, a nice climate, and excellent Mexican food! 😛

    norcal (15fce4)

  269. On Wednesday night in Windham, New Hampshire, Ramaswamy suggested he would name Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the Democratic vaccine skeptic challenging President Joe Biden, as his running mate.

    Well, that’s different at least. Not sure what demographic he’s aiming at though.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  270. “Yeah, I’m sure Democrats used to say that about Dwight Eisenhower too.”

    DeSantis is no Dwight Eisenhower.

    Davethulhu (fe2f72)

  271. @258:

    I’m a layman, Rip, so when the Constitution says something in fairly clear English, it surprises me every time some lawyer tries to say it’s unclear and should be reinterpreted his way. Probably why I chose engineering and not law or theology.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  272. […]

    I admit to being a partisan, but I can see the big picture.

    […]

    NJRob (f6a0a8) — 5/7/2023 @ 2:28 pm

    Are you saying the big picture you see isn’t partisan? Have you ever articulated it here? I haven’t seen it, but I don’t see everything. So in case I missed it, would you consider humoring me and saying it again? I’m genuinely interested. Thanks in advance.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  273. But hey, a nice climate, and excellent Mexican food!

    Hey, before that I for one brief moment was represented in Washington by Henry Waxman. I’m coming to believe that perhaps he was better than Taxing Ted of Torrance and Twitter.

    JVW (c2a049)

  274. Should polls like this continue, the Dems will find a way to jettison Biden.

    The odd thing is that they never ask whether people would prefer Harris.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  275. DeSantis is no Dwight Eisenhower.

    Tell that to those who seem to believe that both of them are just glorified desk jockeys in uniform.

    JVW (c2a049)

  276. my Congressman, Ted Lieu

    My Representative in L.A. was Maxine Waters. Top that!

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  277. Top that!

    My last four reps have been Barney Frank, Ron Dellums, Henry Waxman and Ted Lieu.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  278. This is a fun little exercise.

    My last four reps have been Tom Lantos, Jackie Speier, Dean Heller, and Mark Amodei.

    It appears I’m headed in the right direction, while you ne’er-do-wells (with the exception of Kevin M, because whoever New Mexico has can’t be worse than Maxine) are clearly on a downward slope. 🤣

    norcal (15fce4)

  279. Oops. I forgot Pelosi.

    So, Speier, Pelosi, Heller, and Amodei.

    norcal (15fce4)

  280. I would like to say I had a Republican rep who called Trump on his bullschiff, but Wyoming is just too damn cold.

    norcal (15fce4)

  281. DeSantis is no Dwight Eisenhower.

    Davethulhu (fe2f72) — 5/7/2023 @ 7:40 pm

    Well, you’ve got him there. But be careful with that line of thought.

    If you assign any merit to the idea of greater service to your country as a good pre-req for leadership, it’s going to advantage DeSantis against any realistic opponent. We are decades from the time when the man or woman deploying the troops knows what it’s actually like. Respectfully, that’s why some hyperpolitical guys who just want to shrug and pretend service doesn’t matter. It’s transparent. 2022 showed us that the GOP is in deep kimchi, and someone actually turning it around is a bigger deal than, say, the guy y’all were really worried about. As a guy who actually did like conservatism but not Trump due to his character and flailing style, it’s annoying.

    Just give the guy his point in this category and move on to the fact he’s Team R and you aren’t on his side. Which is fine… Lord knows Team R hasn’t earned any of our votes, but elections can be about … you know… us the people, instead of them the celebs in the offices.

    Where’s Beldar when you need him.

    Dustin (22db23)

  282. Dustin, I am with you.

    Simon Jester (ca4340)

  283. DeSantis is no Dwight Eisenhower. Tell that to those who seem to believe that both of them are just glorified desk jockeys in uniform.

    The Disney-warring DeSantis is a bit ink-and-pennish, easily wiped away with a little acetone; wholly cartoonish…. just like the sailor uniformed Donald Duck.

    OTOH, the take on Eisenhower by another uniform demigod was a little more scathing:

    “I think he’ll make a fine president. He was the best clerk who ever served under me.” – Douglas MacArthur [Gregory Peck] ‘MacArthur’ 1977

    DCSCA (4feb30)

  284. Here are my congressional representatives since I came of voting age:

    Joseph P. Kennedy II
    Jane Harman
    Steve Kuykendall
    Jane Harman
    Janice Hahn
    Henry Waxman
    Ted Lieu

    A pretty unpromising mix of hacks and fools, though I did have two nice years with Rep. Kuykendall who was a decent and honorable fellow.

    JVW (2dc5c1)

  285. As a guy who actually did like conservatism but not Trump due to his character and flailing style, it’s annoying.

    Doesn’t prevent you from coddling your conservatism; just not in a position of power and influence in the Republican Party. They can stay or leave– or start their own party— but not run the GOP anymore. Thankfully, those fleas have been brushed out of the tail which no longer wags the dog. Welcome to 1964, kiddo.

    DCSCA (4feb30)

  286. Let’s not forget that our Representatives are generally indicative of the mindset of the people in our communities. If they are consistently bad, that says something about the people among whom you’ve chosen to live.

    norcal (15fce4)

  287. Dustin, I am with you.

    Simon Jester (ca4340) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:46 pm

    No sarcasm, that’s great.

    Dustin (22db23)

  288. @147 less christian today because society frowns on the catholic church and boy scouts hiding child molesters and no more lynchings too!

    asset (9a1394)

  289. @140 ask the people of australia how it helps.

    asset (9a1394)

  290. latest washington post/abc poll Trump up 49% to 42% over biden. Seems the biden’s are catching up with the clinton crime family despite media still trying to protect biden “somewhat” and for the time being.

    asset (9a1394)

  291. “Where’s Beldar when you need him.”

    At The Dispatch

    AJ_Liberty (3e5304)

  292. Bobby Rush, Luis Gutierrez (660 ft wide connective tissue from Roosevelt Rd to 13th Street), Mark Kirk, Bob Dold, Brad Schneider, Bob Dold, Randy Hultgren, Lauren Underwood, Brad Schneider.

    urbanleftbehind (2cc899)

  293. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-reparations-panel-approves-payments-1-2-million-every-black-resident?intcmp=tw_fnc

    Congratulations Californians. You now have your baseline. Enjoy the riots and racism from the left when it doesn’t materialize.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  294. The debt limits that Congress has imposed over the decades may not just be arbitrary, they may be unconstitutional under Section 4 of the 14th Amendment, which states that “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  295. Tom McClintock for more than decade has been arguing correctly, in my opinion, that the Constitutional obligation is to pay the debt, not to increase the debt.
    Introduced 2011: https://mcclintock.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/full-faith-and-credit-act-introduced-in-the-house

    Introduced 2013: https://mcclintock.house.gov/newsroom/press-releases/hr-807-full-faith-and-credit-act-approved-by-house

    He is again trying to push the sensible and responsible interpretation of debts and debt ceilings:

    I want to thank the Ways and Means Committee for taking up my HR 187, the Default Prevention Act. Similar bills I have introduced passed the House in 2013 and 2015, and I am gratified the Committee would take it up in this session. The bill simply provides that even if there is a fiscal impasse in our deliberations over the debt limit, the debt of the United States will always be paid in full and on time.

    Frankly, that’s already the law. Our revenues vastly exceed our debt service costs. As every family knows, if you’re living off your credit cards, you’d better make the minimum payment first. The law and the Constitution require it.

    The organic act that established the Treasury Department in 1789 is clear on this point. (Quote) “It shall be the duty of the Secretary of the Treasury to digest and prepare plans for the improvement and management of the revenue, and for the support of public credit.” REPEAT: “The management of the revenue and the support of public credit.” The Constitution is also crystal clear. The 14th Amendment commands that “the public debt is not to be questioned.” The GAO spelled it out so there would be no doubt in answering the Senate Finance Committee in 1985: “Treasury is free to liquidate obligations in any order it finds will best serve the interests of the United States.”

    And yet, over the years, various Presidents have threatened to default on the debt as a way to roil markets and pressure lawmakers to bend to their will. This president is no different.

    But even while the Obama Treasury Department was denying it had the ability to prioritize payments to pay the debt first, we later discovered it was making preparations to do exactly that. We also discovered documents that revealed that Federal Reserve officials were appalled that the administration would suggest defaulting because such statements ran a severe risk of panicking credit markets. We are hearing those same statements today from some Democrats in this Congress and in this administration….

    His speech on his 2023 Default Prevention Act:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UhMuDCiXKjU

    Text:
    https://mcclintock.house.gov/newsroom/speeches/rep-mcclintock-delivers-house-floor-remarks-on-the-default-prevention-act

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  296. The Default Prevention Act simply takes this threat off the table. Amendments being offered by the committee also require priority be given to Social Security, Medicare and Defense to assure no president can threaten to hold seniors or servicemembers or veterans hostage as well.

    Nor is this unusual. Most state constitutions provide that first call on any revenues is to maintain and protect their sovereign credit. Indeed, several years ago, in testimony to the Senate, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke praised these state provisions for maintaining confidence in their state-issued bonds.

    This is not to endorse a prolonged impasse over the debt limit. Postponing prompt payment of other bills is not a good thing. But the full faith and credit is fundamental to paying all of those other bills – and that is why we should prevent any president from threatening to default on that credit.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  297. The most preposterous claim we hear is that this prioritizes paying China before other obligations. The fact is, most debt is held by Americans, including most likely, your pension fund. China holds around 3.2 percent of our bonds.

    The debt limit is there for a reason. If your family is living beyond its means and needs to seek an increase in its credit limit, it had better sit down around the kitchen table and have a serious discussion over the circumstances that have gotten it into this predicament and what steps it needs to take to get out. That’s why we have a debt limit – to have exactly that discussion as a nation.

    Which is why it is so disturbing when the President says he is not even willing to discuss the subject. Considering the fact that he has added $3.7 trillion to the national debt in just 25 months in office, that’s irresponsible. Not discuss it? Why in the world does he think we have this building with the dome on top in the very center of our capital city? It was built exclusively to have these discussions, to talk out our differences and to reach a wise and satisfactory conclusion to our public policy questions. Not discuss the biggest fiscal threat our nation has ever faced? He can’t be serious!

    But serious or not, no President should have the ability to threaten to default on our debt, to destroy the full faith and credit of the government or to take hostage our seniors, our veterans and our servicemembers. This bill prevents him from ever threatening to do so again, and it needs to be enacted.

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  298. @159


    My starting point would be (1) licensing, (2) red flag laws with due process, (3) background checks for private sales, (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and (5) banning large-capacity magazines. Personally I would favor registration too, just like with cars, limiting mass purchases of guns/ammo, and setting age limits on buying a gun. Yes the last one will push the bounds on the 2A but more lives will be saved than lost. The 2A never imagined the collective action problem we now have.

    AJ_Liberty (f31db3) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:00 am

    (1) licensing,

    NO. That’s a pathway for gun registry. History is loaded with examples that registry leads to confiscatory policies.

    (2) red flag laws with due process,

    I’m open to this, but I’ve yet seen one that really respects ‘due process’ as it’s a system that can be abused. I’m in a “no” camp, unless I can be convinced that the due process side is robust and obvious abuse is vigorously prosecuted.

    (3) background checks for private sales,

    The current NICS is not made for the public, as it’s used by FFL dealers.

    Besides, there are laws on the books RIGHT THIS VERY MOMENT, that would be illegal for the seller to sell to a prohibited possessor. If, the seller is in any doubt, seller can still go to a FFL dealer and have them run the buyer’s background check for nominal fee.

    (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and

    This is the holy grail and still in its infancy. We probably won’t see anything meaningful in our lifetimes.

    (5) banning large-capacity magazines.

    This is absolutely silly.

    whembly (840a86)

  299. @203

    I disagree with this. Desantis is a successful veteran, and a re-elected governor of a swing state with good economic progress. Cruz is, at the end of the day, a very smart appellate attorney. In 2016, he had yet to really show his character. Desantis has shown us his character for the most part. He’s got a similar populist MO, which I recognize is unpopular with Trump’s critics, but it’s not just words for a re-elected governor.

    Also, Desantis is handling Trump more maturely, learning from Biden’s dominant performance vs. Trump, and obviously improving it. You don’t beat Trump by treating him like a normal person and addressing his arguments. You beat Trump by treating him like a senile moviestar who brags about groping young, intimidated women.

    Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 12:54 pm

    Exactly this.

    DeSantis has issues and some fair criticisms. (who doesn’t?)

    But, he’s heads and shoulders better than Trump and Biden.

    whembly (840a86)

  300. @210

    The “DeSantis is a veteran” argument is pretty weak. He was JAG officer (aka lawyer) deployed to Gitmo and Iraq. Not exactly at the point of the spear.

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc) — 5/7/2023 @ 1:16 pm

    I despise this.

    DeSantis, nor his supporters, are making the case that they’re the “point of the spear”.

    There is honor in serving, and it should be celebrated. No matter if you’re a tip of the spear SEAL or an administrative paper pusher.

    whembly (21b824)

  301. @291

    Dustin, I am with you.

    Simon Jester (ca4340) — 5/7/2023 @ 9:46 pm

    No sarcasm, that’s great.

    Dustin (22db23) — 5/7/2023 @ 10:19 pm

    You, me, “waving hands”… SAME!

    whembly (21b824)

  302. He claimed Iowa as his native soil, and all that Iowa could do about it was to issue a warrant for his arrest on a charge connected with the misappropriation of funds.

    Charles E. Van Loan Old Man Curry: Race Track Stories

    nk (bb1548)

  303. Just one more:

    Now, Mulligan was small, but he had the heart of a giant and the courage of one conviction and two acquittals on charges of assault and battery.

    Charles E. Van Loan, Old Man Curry: Race Track Stories

    Blame it on the bossa nova.

    nk (bb1548)

  304. Let’s not forget that our Representatives are generally indicative of the mindset of the people in our communities.

    Except they’re not. They’re indicative of the party power brokers who finance their runs for office, which is a very small and elitist group. Example: two of my previous congresscritters- both GOP- were crooks and sent to jail: Duncan Hunter and Randy ‘Duke’ Cunningham. Neither representative of the community as a whole, just the culture of congressional corruption. Storm the castle.

    DCSCA (d07e06)

  305. @258:

    I’m a layman, Rip, so when the Constitution says something in fairly clear English, it surprises me every time some lawyer tries to say it’s unclear and should be reinterpreted his way. Probably why I chose engineering and not law or theology.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 7:42 pm

    I’m surprised then that no one has successfully challenged this precedent of nearly 50 years.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  306. A pretty unpromising mix of hacks and fools, though I did have two nice years with Rep. Kuykendall who was a decent and honorable fellow.

    Before Maxine…

    John G Schmitz
    Andrew Hinshaw
    Robert Badham
    Carlos Moorhead
    Anthony Beilenson
    Julian Dixon
    Anna Eschoo
    Jane Harman
    Steven Kuykendall
    Jane Harman

    then the gerrymander to give Jan Harman a safe district, and Maxine Waters.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  307. “The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned.”

    There’s the rub.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  308. (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and

    This is the holy grail and still in its infancy. We probably won’t see anything meaningful in our lifetimes.

    The fingerprint sensor on my phone is really pretty good. Even a sensor that allowed a few false positives would be acceptable, so long as false negatives were rare. The problem with this strategy is that it quickly leads to 1) a mandate and 2) making all existing weapons illegal. The pressure to use that to restrict gun ownership further would be heavy.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  309. Ouch!

    Wall Street is firmly in the Never Trump camp. Finding a Republican who can make “never” happen is another question.
    ………
    But as (DeSantis) stumbles through gaffes over everything from his personal demeanor and stance on Ukraine to his snacking habits, Wall Street donors are keeping the door open to his competitors, according to more than a dozen bankers, attorneys and political consultants interviewed for this story.
    ………
    Where Wall Street puts its money matters because financial industry executives are among the biggest donors in presidential elections. And while bankers and asset managers generally favor lower taxes and lighter-touch regulation, they also value stability and experience — and they spread their money around to candidates of both parties, meaning they’re very much in play in each cycle.

    On paper, that should give DeSantis an advantage. …….
    ……..
    With Trump surging in the polls following his indictment on criminal charges stemming from alleged hush money payments, one executive at a New York bank said confidence in DeSantis’s ability to win is flagging.

    “DeSantis is certainly a better option than Trump at this point,” the executive said. “But he’s a really weak option.”
    ………
    “What we probably wind up with is a choice between a guy who is very old and wants to raise our taxes and reregulate everything, and a guy who could be running from prison,” the executive said.

    In the meantime, any hesitation about DeSantis’s viability could be good news for Republicans who have tried to carve out space as business-friendly alternatives to Trump. Former South Carolina Gov. Nikki Haley and Sen. Tim Scott — another South Carolina Republican who has launched an exploratory committee — have started lining their war chests with checks from major investors, according to campaign filings released in April.
    ………
    Scott is a fixture in New York, turning up for meetings at various big banks, and is beginning to draw backers at firms like Goldman Sachs. Bankers say they appreciate both his personal narrative — rising from humble beginnings — and his positive message about the power of American capitalism.

    Still, Scott and Haley’s fundraising totals remain modest compared to those of DeSantis-aligned groups — one state-level committee, Friends of Ron DeSantis, has more than $85 million on hand.
    ………
    But Scott, Haley, former Vice President Mike Pence and other potential GOP nominees face their own challenges. While DeSantis has shown he can win big in a swing state, other nominees have won in Republican strongholds. Many also lack national name recognition that would put them within striking distance of Trump or DeSantis.
    ………
    The first executive at the large New York bank said Wall Street would love a candidate like former House Speaker Paul Ryan “or a younger Mitt Romney.”

    But they acknowledged that Trump would likely obliterate any candidate from the increasingly small centrist segment of the GOP.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  310. On Wednesday night in Windham, New Hampshire, Ramaswamy suggested he would name Robert F. Kennedy Jr., the Democratic vaccine skeptic challenging President Joe Biden, as his running mate.

    Well, that’s different at least. Not sure what demographic he’s aiming at though.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/7/2023 @ 7:39 pm

    Anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theorists.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  311. bellingcat’s Arik Toler found the Allen TX shooter’s OK.RU social media profile, and the SS and swastika tats are pretty convincing about who this guy was.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  312. “NO. That’s a pathway for gun registry. History is loaded with examples that registry leads to confiscatory policies.”

    Kevin is a gun enthusiast and he’s for licensing. I think your view is the minority. People are growing tired of weekly mass shootings and the only response being “hardened schools”, “more guns”, or something nebulous about mental health.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  313. @316

    “NO. That’s a pathway for gun registry. History is loaded with examples that registry leads to confiscatory policies.”

    Kevin is a gun enthusiast and he’s for licensing. I think your view is the minority. People are growing tired of weekly mass shootings and the only response being “hardened schools”, “more guns”, or something nebulous about mental health.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 5/8/2023 @ 11:15 am

    I assure you, when people read the fine print, most won’t want a licensing scheme.

    In fact, it’ll be challenged in court.

    What part of “shall not be infringe” do people have trouble with?

    The government MUST show a compelling reason to restrict a right, not because its “popular”.

    Besides, a licensing scheme will do NOTHING for most shooting events.

    whembly (7bfbb3)

  314. @312

    (4) exploring biometric-enabled guns especially to cut down on accidental shootings and suicides, and

    This is the holy grail and still in its infancy. We probably won’t see anything meaningful in our lifetimes.

    The fingerprint sensor on my phone is really pretty good. Even a sensor that allowed a few false positives would be acceptable, so long as false negatives were rare. The problem with this strategy is that it quickly leads to 1) a mandate and 2) making all existing weapons illegal. The pressure to use that to restrict gun ownership further would be heavy.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/8/2023 @ 10:55 am

    They are technological/for-factor issues right now.

    Every single biometric equipped firearms I’ve seen/used has been finickly. If the technology cannot be 100% accurate and reliable, there won’t be any interest in it.

    Better to secure the firearms in a biometric safe and encourage proper storage.

    whembly (7bfbb3)

  315. The government MUST show a compelling reason to restrict a right, not because its “popular”.

    They already have. Rights are restricted all the time. Unless you’re prone to shouting ‘Fire!’ in theaters and have a F-16 hangered in your backyard.

    DCSCA (14d5f7)

  316. License and mandatory service in a militia, as the Founders intended.

    DCSCA (14d5f7)

  317. @320 You ARE the militia DCSA.

    whembly (7bfbb3)

  318. @321. Never owned any guns and have no plans to… ever.

    DCSCA (71a4a2)

  319. People are growing tired of weekly mass shootings and the only response being “hardened schools”, “more guns”, or something nebulous about mental health.

    Only response???? There’s this response- ‘thoughts and prayers’- from the Republican idiot who represents Allen, TX:

    Keith Self [R], an American politician and former county judge who is the United States representative for Texas’s 3rd congressional district.

    Self, a lifetime member of the NRA, stated following the mass shooting in his district at the Allen Premium Outlets on May 6th, 2023, that killed 9, including a 5yr old child, and injured 7 others, that the reason [thoughts and] prayers are not working as a solution to gun violence is because “Well, those are people that don’t believe in an almighty god who has, who is absolutely in control of our lives.

    DCSCA (71a4a2)

  320. @323 People are growing tired of weekly mass shootings and the only response being “hardened schools”, “more guns”, or something nebulous about mental health.
    The people ought to support reinstitutionalizing involuntary commitments.

    People ought to demand state/federal prosecutors to prioritize illegal gun ownership.

    People ought to have an informed debate of what it means by “hardening” schools.

    Demanding bans, restrictions, licensures or any of the flavor-of-the-month gun control policies are doing the same things, over and over again.

    What’s the definition of insanity again?

    whembly (d116f3)

  321. Interesting, one of my comments is stuck in limbo…

    whembly (d116f3)

  322. “What’s the definition of insanity again?”

    Thoughts and prayers.

    Davethulhu (fe2f72)

  323. As far the “smartest man in the room” goes, that is obviously Sammy. 😉

    Rip Murdock (b7d6fc) — 5/7/2023 @ 11:50 am

    I just know how to look up things on the Internet before I make a counter-argument.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  324. The Texas outlet mall was a gun-free zone. I wonder if as many would have been killed if customers defended themselves, rather than relying on a police officer who just happened to be nearby.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  325. Sad!

    Donald Trump started a new ad campaign on Facebook last week that insists the U.S. is doing worse under President Joe Biden. The Facebook ads even include photos trying to suggest the chaos we see in those images is a direct result of Biden’s policies. The only problem? The two most prominent photos in the ad are from Trump’s time at the White House.

    The first thing people will probably notice in the ad is a photo of a burning cop car. But that photo was taken in Chicago, Illinois on May 30, 2020. Trump was president from January 20, 2017 until January 20, 2021, which means the image you’re seeing happened on Trump’s watch.
    ……..
    What about the image on the right of Biden, showing people wading through some water? Again, that image is from Trump’s time in office.

    The photo was captured by photographer Moises Castillo and was distributed to media outlets through the Associated Press. And while Trump’s presidential campaign probably wants to make it look like the photo depicts migrants crossing the U.S.-Mexico border, it doesn’t even depict that. The photo actually shows migrants crossing from Mexico to Guatemala.

    The photo bears the caption, “Central American migrants cross the Suchiate River from Mexico to Guatemala, near Tecun Uman, Guatemala, Tuesday, Jan. 21, 2020.”

    That’s right—apparently these people aren’t even traveling north to the U.S. They’re heading south, according to the stock image service Alamy……..
    ………
    ………(I)f Trump’s current tactics are any indication, he’s going to keep lying as we get closer to election day. This is the guy, after all, who famously posted photoshopped images that made his fingers look longer in 2019. Seriously.
    #########

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  326. @326

    Thoughts and prayers.

    Davethulhu (fe2f72) — 5/8/2023 @ 1:22 pm

    And?

    whembly (d116f3)

  327. #329 I am not a big fan of the Loser — as some of you may have guessed — but I can’t help wondering whether whoever picked out those photos wasn’t deliberately undermining him.

    (On the other hand, the Loser appears to be responsible for music choices like “Fortunate Son” and “YMCA”.)

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  328. On a far more important matter: Natan Sharansky explains “Why Putin’s repression is worse than what I endured under the Soviets”>

    He makes a solid case for that argument, beginning with:

    Forty-seven years is not a round number. Nevertheless, May 12 will mark a significant anniversary in the history of the Moscow Helsinki Group: It will be the first since the organization’s offices have been shuttered and its very existence criminalized, a consequence of severe repressive measures taken by Vladimir Putin’s regime.

    The Helsinki Group was founded on May 12, 1976, when Soviet dissidents from a variety of political, religious and national backgrounds — 11 of us, led by physicist Yuri Orlov — joined together. Our aim was to monitor the Soviet Union’s compliance with the Helsinki Accords, signed the previous year by the U.S.S.R. and 34 other nations. The accords, in addition to other provisions, committed the Soviet regime to respect its citizens’ human rights.

    (Links omitted.)

    Helsinki_Accords

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  329. @324. “People” ‘ought to be put through’ the PITA, hellish nightmare of tedious security checks to be licensed to own a firearm just as they’ve been forced to endure the sanity-testing nightmare to pass through security at government funded airports and board modern aircraft today– thanks to the abuse of a very, very, very, very small few who’ve hijacked the joy od travel and turned it into a miserable hell for the law-abiding-most.

    DCSCA (ca0bc8)

  330. Never owned any guns and have no plans to… ever.

    DCSCA (71a4a2) — 5/8/2023 @ 12:35 pm

    I dare you to put a “Gun-Free House” sign in your yard. You won’t, because that would just encourage criminals. In other words, you’re riding on the coattails of other people in your neighborhood who do own guns, and benefitting from the fact that criminals don’t know who has a firearm.

    norcal (15fce4)

  331. DeSantis Doubles Down (as does Disney):

    ……….
    The company Monday amended its federal lawsuit against the governor and other officials, which it originally filed last month, to address House Bill 1604, a law adopted last week. That measure, which seeks to retroactively void a contract that Disney signed to lock in planning approvals to potentially expand its theme parks and hotels in Florida, escalated a year-long fight between Disney and Florida Republicans.
    ……….
    Disney in its filing pointed to both measures to bolster its case that Mr. DeSantis and his allies are retaliating against the company.
    “Governor DeSantis and his allies have no apparent intent to moderate their retaliatory campaign any time soon,” Disney’s lawyers wrote in the updated filing. The company called the new legislation “precision-engineered to target Disney alone, just as Governor DeSantis intended.”
    ………
    ………The company argued that the state has violated the free speech and takings clauses of the U.S. Constitution by retaliating against the company.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  332. Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/8/2023 @ 4:02 pm

    More:

    ……….
    To support the overarching claim of political retaliation, the introduction to Disney’s amended complaint now begins with a DeSantis quote from Friday, May 5: “[T]his all started, of course, with our parents’ rights bill.”

    At a press conference marking the end of the legislative session, DeSantis was asked for his response to criticism of his efforts to dissolve the RCID.

    “First of all, this all started, of course, with our parents’ rights bill. And the most important thing about all of this is that we won the fight about parents’ rights,” DeSantis answered at around 35 minutes into the press conference. “We won the fight this legislative session to pass great legislation that conflicted with the woke agenda, and we did not see any opposition mounted. And so, in the state of Florida, our political process I think worked well and it was not perverted by one very powerful company, which is I think what most people want.”
    ………
    The updated lawsuit also cited a Newsmax interview from the same day, in which DeSantis likened Disney’s RCID to “corporate welfare.” The suit argued that DeSantis himself linked Disney’s recent silence on issues to his targeting of the company — having “trumpeted” to Newsmax “the unequivocal intent and perceived success of his retribution campaign” against Disney.

    “They exercised a lot of political influence in this town and they tried to fight us on things like parents rights and things that are really important to the people of Florida,” DeSantis said in the interview. “We beat ’em on that. We signed the parents’ rights bill, and we’ve expanded protections and we’ve done a lot of stuff to go back and fight woke ideology. Since our skirmish last year, Disney has not been involved in any of those issues. They have not made a peep. That, ultimately, is the most important, that Disney is not allowed to pervert the system to the detriment of Floridians.”
    ………

    Every DeSantis statement is a confession.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  333. Texas Solutions to Mass Shootings:

    ……….
    (Texas State) Senate Bill 1515 and its House companion, HB 3448, requires that all public schools in Texas display a “durable poster or framed copy of the Ten Commandments” that is at least 16 inches by 20 inches and, “in a size and typeface that is legible to a person with average vision from anywhere in the classroom.”

    The constitutional issues raised by SB 1515 are blatant: requiring public schools to post religious texts raises a clear First Amendment issue. Under the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment, the government may not establish or endorse an official American religion, and legislation that involves religion must have some legitimate secular or legislative purpose.

    The Supreme Court specifically addressed the posting of the Ten Commandments in classrooms in 1980 in Stone v. Graham. …….
    ……….
    Another set of proposed laws, SB 1396 and its companion, HB 4949, also sponsored by a cohort of Republican legislators, allows public school districts to adopt policies allowing for Bible or other religious text readings and moments of prayer during the school day. The proposed legislative text includes language meant to squash any lawsuits based on violation of the First Amendment.

    For a student to participate in Bible readings or prayer time, that student’s guardian must provide not only written permission, but also “an express waiver of the person’s right to bring a claim under state or federal law arising out of the adoption of a policy under this section, including claims under the United States Supreme Court’s interpretations of the Establishment Clause, which forever releases the school district and all school officials from any such claims that the signatory might assert in state or federal court.”
    ……….
    Two Texas House Democrats, Barbara Gervin-Hawkins and Ryan Guillen, co-sponsored legislation that would require third graders (and up) in public schools to have access to bleeding control stations and tourniquets “approved for use in battlefield trauma care by the Armed Forces of the United States.”
    ……..
    “Bleeding Control stations” include chest seals, specialized bandages, space emergency blankets, latex-free gloves, markers, scissors, and instructional documents developed by the American College of Surgeons or the U.S. Department of Homeland Security “detailing methods to prevent blood loss following a traumatic event.”…….
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  334. @334. Nonsense. No need. HOA paid security patrolled.

    DCSCA (fc0d72)

  335. HOA paid security patrolled.

    LOL!

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  336. Trump New York Trial Watch:

    Former President Donald Trump cannot post sensitive discovery materials from his criminal hush-money case on “any news or social media platforms,” a Manhattan judge ruled on Monday.

    The judge’s six-page protective order bars Trump from disseminating the “covered materials” on platforms “including, but not limited, to Truth Social, Facebook, Instagram, WhatsApp, Twitter, Snapchat, or YouTube, without prior approval from the court.”
    ………
    For example, Trump cannot disclose the names and identifying information of “New York County District Attorney’s Office personnel, other than sworn members of law enforcement, assistant district attorneys, and expert or fact witnesses (other than summary witnesses)” until jury selection. Bragg’s office can redact those names and identifying information from the discovery materials, the judge added.
    ………
    The former president is allowed to review portions of forensic images of witness cellphones containing five categories of information. Those include materials related to events discussed in the indictment, information about prior crimes of a witness, communications about any person identified on the government’s witness list, and notes with any prosecutor or law enforcement officer, state or federal.

    Trump can also review information about himself on those cellphones.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  337. Mr. DeSantis on the job:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGQ0Ge6kiz8&t=128s

    DCSCA (fc0d72)

  338. Democratic rising star Andrew Gillum found not guilty of lying to the FBI, jury deadlocked on 17 other charges
    ………
    The former Tallahassee mayor faced 17 counts of wire fraud and a wire fraud conspiracy count, each carrying a maximum of 20 years behind bars. He was also charged with a single count of lying to the FBI, which carries a five-year maximum sentence. He pleaded not guilty to all of the charges.

    The jury reached a verdict on the FBI charge relatively quickly but struggled for nearly a week to find a consensus on the conspiracy charge and the wire fraud charges.
    ……..
    Gillum’s attorneys rested their case Thursday without calling any witnesses.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  339. @339. Yeah, we think it’s waste of $ and joke, too. So the cops follow after them.

    DCSCA (fc0d72)

  340. @334. Only one person definitely known to own guns in the neighborhood, norcal. Illegally— and unregistered. And he keeps them locked up in a safe deposit box.

    DCSCA (fc0d72)

  341. Gillum not guilty of lying to FBI as jury deadlocks on other charges

    In a stunning defeat for the government, jurors acquitted former Tallahassee Mayor Andrew Gillum on charges that he lied to the FBI about a “Hamilton” ticket and other gifts he took from undercover FBI agents in New York.
    ………
    The 12-person jury, which rendered its decision Thursday after five days of deliberations and behind-the-scenes drama, was unable to reach consensus on one count of conspiracy and 17 counts of wire fraud against (Gillum and his co-defendant Sharon Lettman-Hicks). District Judge Allen Winsor declared a mistrial on those counts.
    ………
    Assistant U.S. Attorney Gary Milligan II said the government will retry Gillum and Lettman-Hicks on the conspiracy and wire fraud charges. ………
    ………
    ………Undercover FBI agents cozied up to Gillum in 2016 and tried to get him to take a bribe, which even government witnesses acknowledged he never did.
    ………
    Both opted not to take the stand in their own defense. In a sign of confidence in their case, Gillum’s lawyers didn’t call a single defense witness.

    The acquittal and partial mistrial marked major setbacks for the government and its long-running and costly Operation Capital Currency investigation, which saw undercover FBI agents posing as crooked developers descend on Tallahassee starting in 2015.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  342. @334/339 What would you say to a gun nut who moves afrom the East coast to the West coast but leaves cans of explosive black powder, loaded shells and assorted reloading equipment in his parents hot attic w/o telling them, stored up against the fireplace chimney for several years no less, to be discovered later as a move was planned?

    A. [ ] irresponsible

    B. [ ] a sociopath

    C. [ ] a lawyer

    D. [ ] all of the above

    ________

    What would you say to gun nut who threatens you w/a visit from the ATF, informing you he’d hidden his Colt revolver in a home for 20 years, never told the owner or current residents it was there [when it actually never was to begin with,] then waits three years after the owner died to make the accusation w/o ever making a move to reclaim the weapon that never was?

    A. [ ] irresponsible

    B. [ ] a sociopath

    C. [ ] a lawyer

    D. [ ] all of the above

    This is the type of nut bag that needs watching…

    DCSCA (fc0d72)

  343. Sorry for the double post on Andrew Gillum. When I posted the first time it didn’t seem to appear.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  344. Texas gunman fantasized over race wars on social media before mass killing
    ……..
    The social media posts, the last of which went online Saturday shortly before he stormed into the shopping mall, included violent, hateful references that included singling out Asians with slurs. Mauricio Garcia, 33, also used his account on Odnoklassniki, a Russian social media platform, to reference “the noble war,” a phrase that many white supremacists use to describe their belief in an impending race war.
    ……..
    Authorities have not released a motive for Garcia’s rampage, but they are investigating his suspected links to white supremacists and neo-Nazi beliefs. Garcia arrived at the mall wearing a patch that read “RWDS,” which stands for Right Wing Death Squad. The phrase is popular with extremist groups including neo-Nazis and white supremacists, and authorities are trying to determine whether Garcia carried out a hate crime.
    ……….
    According to his social media posts, Garcia appeared to have staked out the mall using Google to determine the busiest times.
    ……….
    The last post on Garcia’s account, dated Saturday, resembled a suicide note and included more than 500 words of violent, hateful fantasies, self-aggrandizement and pop-culture references. Older entries expressed admiration for other mass killers and described a dark worldview that included apocalyptic “accelerationist” ideology, which is associated with calls for a violent collapse of society.

    Other posts on the account showed off tattoos, including a swastika and other Nazi symbols.
    ……….
    Although Army officials declined to specify why Garcia had been discharged, administrative separations like the one he received are meant to quickly force out recruits who can’t perform military duties as a result of various physical or behavioral conditions. They are not typically punishments and would not show up on background checks. ……..
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  345. “Texas gunman fantasized over race wars…”

    At least it wasn’t asset

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  346. Texas mall mass shooter Mauricio Garcia bought AR-15, other weapons legally

    The AR-15 rifle used in the Texas mall shooting was among multiple weapons that were legally purchased by gunman Mauricio Garcia, according to a report.

    A law enforcement source told CNN Monday the weapons were mostly bought from private sellers, which is legal in Texas.

    The collection of weapons was obtained “over time,” leading up to the attack that left eight people dead at Allen Premium Outlets Saturday afternoon, the source said.

    This after being booted from the military for “mental health reasons.”

    I don’t know if Texas will ever require background checks for private sales, or pass a red-flag law, but anyone who sold this guy guns should have a real bad day. The message ought to be “You want to skip the background check? Fine. But this could come back to you as criminal negligence.”

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  347. are meant to quickly force out recruits who can’t perform military duties as a result of various physical or behavioral conditions. They are not typically punishments and would not show up on background checks. ……..

    It’s not just crimes that make one a prohibited person.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  348. A 14-year-old was shot in the head as she played hide and seek, Louisiana deputies say. Now a neighbor is facing multiple charges.

    David V. Doyle, 58, was arrested Sunday, May 7, after the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff’s Office said he opened fire on a group of kids playing on his property and “unknowingly hit the girl.”

    Deputies were called about a shooting at a home in Starks early that morning, authorities wrote in a news release. They arrived to find a teen who was shot in the back of the head.

    Several kids were playing in the area and used a neighbor’s property to hide, according to the sheriff’s office. The property owner, identified as Doyle, told deputies he went inside and grabbed his gun after he saw shadows outside his home, the release said.

    Doyle said when he went back outside, he saw several people running from his property and opened fire.

    The girl, who wasn’t publicly identified, was taken to a hospital with non-life-threatening injuries, according to deputies.

    https://www.sunherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article275197271.html

    Davethulhu (fe2f72)

  349. I said “Jill, if there’s ever a problem just walk out on the balcony here, walk out, put that double-barrelled shotgun and fire two blasts outside the house.”

    nk (bb1548)

  350. Great. It now appears that Bret Baier participated in the crazy cabal at Fox.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-anchor-bret-baier-s-reputation-takes-hit-after-text-messages-reveal-what-he-said-in-wake-of-2020-election/ar-AA1aVxTu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7de8e8a4f2db4ab483437b626a02c89b&ei=7

    How about an apology, Bret, and a vow to do better?

    I’m waiting, but I’m not holding my breath.

    norcal (15fce4)

  351. The Baier story is a nothing-burger. He thought that Fox was calling races too soon on election night. The Arizona call was clearly too soon as the race was really closer than they thought.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  352. @349 I don’t want and think we can avoid a race war when AOC becomes president. If biden degenerates further we may get a gavin newsome/AOC unity ticket in 2024 instead of 2028.

    asset (c3b423)

  353. Kevin,

    It’s a something-burger.

    Baier responded to Tuckyo with, “I have pressed them to slow. And I think they will slow walk Nevada.”

    A straight news anchor should not be lobbying the decision desk. He otherwise comes off as a cheerleader.

    And, like the Fox statement in defense of the Arizona call said, Fox had a new tool that enabled more accuracy sooner.

    I don’t give a f*ck if the Arizona call “hurt” Tucker’s idea of their business model.

    norcal (15fce4)

  354. It’s a something-burger.

    Indeed. It’s a blatant violation of journalistic ethics. I was among the camp, described in the article, that believed there are two Fox Newses walled off from one another and effectively independent: the barking outrage mongers and the serious newsers who adhere to a canon of journalistic ethics. Baier was what allowed me to believe in and defend the latter while reviling the former. I feel like a chump. He played me.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  355. @357/358 the real issue is biden won by over 8 million votes BUT! he won the electoral collage by only 43,000 votes az 10,000 ga 13,000 wi 20,000. What do you think would of happened if the green party was on the ballot instead of being kicked off by democrat party and green party siphoned off enough democrat votes to re-elect trump? I know the democrats were planning a general strike and other less moderate things.

    asset (c3b423)

  356. @350

    This after being booted from the military for “mental health reasons.”

    I don’t know if Texas will ever require background checks for private sales, or pass a red-flag law, but anyone who sold this guy guns should have a real bad day. The message ought to be “You want to skip the background check? Fine. But this could come back to you as criminal negligence.”

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/8/2023 @ 7:14 pm

    If true, did the military report his “mental health” reasons to the NICS database?

    The background check system is only good if the data feed is accurate.

    Furthermore, it’s ALREADY against federal law to privately sell firearms to a prohibited possessor.

    whembly (d116f3)

  357. It was enough of a “something” that FoxNews sacked Stirewalt for doing his job and correctly calling Arizona. It was an issue because of one guy who couldn’t stop whining about losing.

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  358. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/ron-desantis-bets-big-disney-feud-rcna82734

    I think this is right.

    tl;dr – DeSantis’ critics of his move against Disney are mostly insiders, big-Donors and other high elected GOPers.

    DeSantis’ grassroots supporters, pollsters and primary voters are either ambivalent (“it’s a land use issue”) or outright supports FL’s movement because Disney is viewed as a corporate bully.

    What remains to be seen, is if independents would flock to DeSantis, and that indeed is a very real danger for DeSantis.

    whembly (05eb5c)

  359. Fox had a new tool that enabled more accuracy sooner.

    Why didn’t they use that tool to call a wider margin state, like Florida, in the same record time?

    BuDuh (eaef9b)

  360. I heard something today that made me want to actually look at Paul’s Bellingcat thread on the shooter in Texas. Indeed this was posted on that thread:

    Aric Toler
    @AricToler
    ·
    20h
    One last thing, noticed by @JakeGodin: the Allen shooter was a big fan of @libsoftiktok
    and signed off on one of his posts with “Heil Hitler”

    I assume the Nazi had no idea that Libs of TikTok is run by an Orthodox Jew.

    BuDuh (7ac4f6)

  361. gavin newsome/AOC unity ticket

    Unity with whom? The Bolsheviks are all dead.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  362. “Furthermore, it’s ALREADY against federal law to privately sell firearms to a prohibited possessor.”

    As a seller, how would you know? Isn’t it essentially an honor check for the buyer: “no of course I’m not on a prohibited list”. Isn’t that a problem that is easily resolvable by requiring private sales to do an official background check?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  363. It’s not just crimes that make one a prohibited person.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/8/2023 @ 7:16 pm

    For someone to be denied a firearm for mental illness under federal law they need to be involuntarily committed to a mental institution or judged to be “mentally defective.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  364. Baier responded to Tuckyo with, “I have pressed them to slow. And I think they will slow walk Nevada.”

    A straight news anchor should not be lobbying the decision desk. He otherwise comes off as a cheerleader.

    Or perhaps he comes off as an employee whop cares about the company he works for. Unlike Tucker, his motive wasn’t to question the counting, but to not be the first news outlet to call Biden the winner.

    If you want to see actual cheerleading, look at Dan Rather’s reed-grasping in 2004, where another anchor had to drag him off the ledge.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  365. Indeed. It’s a blatant violation of journalistic ethics

    Only honored in the breech.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  366. Furthermore, it’s ALREADY against federal law to privately sell firearms to a prohibited possessor.

    Yes. Where did I say differently? I said “skip the (optional in Texas) background check at your own risk.” Any FFL can do it for you.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  367. If true, did the military report his “mental health” reasons to the NICS database?

    The background check system is only good if the data feed is accurate.

    Furthermore, it’s ALREADY against federal law to privately sell firearms to a prohibited possessor.

    whembly (d116f3) — 5/9/2023 @ 6:29 am

    The military apparently not required to, as his discharge didn’t meet the standards that prevent a mentally ill person from purchasing firearms.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  368. Isn’t that a problem that is easily resolvable by requiring private sales to do an official background check?

    They are allowed to, through an FFL. Not doing so, where legal, should not let the seller off the hook.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  369. Flashback February 2017:

    President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

    The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.
    ……….
    The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.
    ………..
    The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  370. The military apparently not required to, as his discharge didn’t meet the standards that prevent a mentally ill person from purchasing firearms.

    They should still be required to report the discharge reasons, for those states with red-flag laws. And, again, we would be better off with licenses, periodically renewed, than haphazard point-of-sale checks.

    Would a system that allowed 80% of applicants to be licensed pass 2A muster, as long as equitable considerations were followed? This is a nod to “well-regulated militia” without being discriminatory or overly restrictive.

    I think we’d all be better off with an in-depth interview every 10 years, than some cursory list-checking at point-of-sale.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  371. The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.

    Those are two rules, and they are not the same thing at all. The first is a voluntary assessment and would be a good reason to withhold gun access. The second is an involuntary assessment and only partly correlative with gun safety. I can see opposing the package while supporting the first rule.

    One-size-fits-all is a bureaucratic convenience, but it does not compare remotely well with individual assessment.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  372. Would a system that allowed 80% of applicants to be licensed pass 2A muster, as long as equitable considerations were followed?

    Licensing would definitely be opposed by the NRA, Gun Owners of America, etc. as the first step toward gun confiscation. Texas also does not have a red flag law, so it wouldn’t have made a difference.

    Equating the process to obtain a gun license (or even a permit) with the process to obtain a security clearance is ridiculous. The clearance process takes anywhere from 3-4 months to up to a year. It’s a complete non-starter.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  373. Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:24 am

    I would assume that if someone is receiving Social Security because they have a mental illness (or has a conservatorship) then it has already been determined they have a mental illness or unable to handle their own affairs.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  374. The clearance process takes anywhere from 3-4 months to up to a year. It’s a complete non-starter.

    Top Secret, yes. Secret, no.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  375. Licensing would definitely be opposed by the NRA, Gun Owners of America, etc. as the first step toward gun confiscation.

    Gun registration has been in effect for almost a century in California, and as yet the threatened confiscation has not happened.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  376. Top Secret, yes. Secret, no.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:35 am

    Secret clearances take at least a few months. Still not gonna happen.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  377. @366

    “Furthermore, it’s ALREADY against federal law to privately sell firearms to a prohibited possessor.”

    As a seller, how would you know? Isn’t it essentially an honor check for the buyer: “no of course I’m not on a prohibited list”. Isn’t that a problem that is easily resolvable by requiring private sales to do an official background check?

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3) — 5/9/2023 @ 8:59 am

    No, it’s not an honor check. The seller is still obligated to ensure whomever they’re selling isn’t a prohibited possessor. IF the buyer is a prohibited possessor, the seller is legally liable.

    For some reasons, federal prosecutors don’t make these crimes a priority.

    Requiring private sales is problematic for host of reasons, but the main reason is that the NICS system isn’t designed for the public.

    It’s much easier to ask the seller to go to a FFL dealer to run the background check on their behalf.

    whembly (d116f3)

  378. @371

    The military apparently not required to, as his discharge didn’t meet the standards that prevent a mentally ill person from purchasing firearms.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:06 am

    Then we need to assess whether or not that standard should be updated.

    Again, there’s no system or silver bullet here guys. And, when you implement a surveillance system, it’s only going to be as good as the DATA.

    whembly (d116f3)

  379. @373

    Flashback February 2017:

    President Donald Trump quietly signed a bill into law Tuesday rolling back an Obama-era regulation that made it harder for people with mental illnesses to purchase a gun.

    The rule, which was finalized in December, added people receiving Social Security checks for mental illnesses and people deemed unfit to handle their own financial affairs to the national background check database.
    ……….
    The original rule was hotly contested by gun rights advocates who said it infringed on Americans’ Second Amendment rights. Gun control advocates, however, praised the rule for curbing the availability of firearms to those who may not use them with the right intentions.
    ………..
    The National Rifle Association “applauded” Trump’s action. Chris Cox, NRA-ILA executive director, said the move “marks a new era for law-abiding gun owners, as we now have a president who respects and supports our arms.”

    ………..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:13 am

    I remember this… that Obama era rule was dumb as it was way too broad.

    You can qualify for SS for mental illness or be deemed unable to handle your financial affairs and STILL be sound of mind to exercise your 2nd Amendment rights.

    It was a bureaucratic workaround to hamfastly appease the gun control advocates.

    What we need is a robust system whereby someone could go to court and make the case that “a person” is mentally unfit. We don’t have that now, and gun control advocates are latching onto anything they can use to push their agenda.

    whembly (d116f3)

  380. @379

    Licensing would definitely be opposed by the NRA, Gun Owners of America, etc. as the first step toward gun confiscation.

    Gun registration has been in effect for almost a century in California, and as yet the threatened confiscation has not happened.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:37 am

    The gun registry in CA (which in reality is mandated by federal laws) are for full automatics and firearm importers (I’m pretty sure concealed carry is required, but not sure).

    There’s no house-to-house gun registry in CA, that much I know.

    whembly (d116f3)

  381. Gun registration has been in effect for almost a century in California, and as yet the threatened confiscation has not happened.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 9:37 am

    It’s just around the corner…..

    As far as I can tell, individual gun owners do not need to have a license to own a gun in California, the California Dept. of Justice keeps records of sales and transfers through gun dealers. You do need a permit to carry a concealed weapon, which are only issued to specified individuals (private investigators, security guards, etc.)

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  382. Requiring private sales is problematic for host of reasons, but the main reason is that the NICS system isn’t designed for the public.

    The potential for abuse is obvious.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  383. Gunownership & ammo sales & purchase: a) licensing, b) registration c) mandatory service in a well regulated militia required. End of story. C outta weed out the lardassed-play-armyman types and the nut bags.

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  384. Texas Shooter’s ‘White Power’ Social Media Posts Revealed After Right-Wing Pundits Cast Doubt on White Supremacist Links
    ……….
    The new reporting, which was backed up by NBC News and investigative journalism outlet Bellingcat, came just hours after several prominent right-wing figures cast doubt on reports that the shooter had Neo-Nazi links, given that he was Latino.

    “BREAKING: @KenPaxtonTX tells me law enforcement gave him NO details in a briefing yesterday that the Allen, TX shooter was a ‘white supremacist’ or held ‘neo-Nazi’ views. Unlike the FBI & media, they were waiting for facts to come in before jumping to a political conclusion,” wrote Glenn Beck on Monday.

    Donald Trump Jr. replied to Beck and added “don’t get ahead of yourself, maybe the Mexican national with cartel tats identifies as a white supremacist & therefore we must totally go along with that narrative! Though the same logic does not apply to the Trans Terrorist Nashville shooter who was clearly ‘driven to it.’” Trump Jr. ended his tweet with several clown face emojis.
    ……….
    Ann Coulter offered a similar take, sarcastically quipping, “MEDIA: Texas shooter is Mauricio Garcia, 2d generation immigrant … and white supremacist. So we could have been spared this horror if only someone had told the shooter: ‘Mauricio, you’re not white!’”
    ……..
    Right Side Broadcasting Brian Glenn, who is dating Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-GA), made a similar argument while talking with Steve Bannon on Monday, noting the shooters’ parents spoke Spanish.
    ………
    “And people now know that it wasn’t a white neo-national supremacist. That’s not the narrative,” Glenn raged, while accusing the Wall Street Journal of first reporting on the shooter’s ideology:
    ………
    However, those doubts were quickly rebutted as NBC News also went through the shooter’s posts, reporting he regularly went on “rants against Jews, women and racial minorities posted on the account since September, as well as posts about struggling with mental health.”

    The shooters’ posts also reference “content from white nationalists, including Nick Fuentes, an antisemitic white nationalist provocateur,” added NBC News. …….

    “He also posted photos of a flak vest emblazoned with patches, including one with the acronym for “Right Wing Death Squad,” a popular meme among far-right extremist groups. Another post included a series of shirtless pictures with visible white power tattoos, including SS Lightning Bolts and a swastika,” reported NBC News.
    ……….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  385. El Al does a very good job of vetting its passengers. Up close and personal. It takes maybe a half hour.

    Vetting someone from gun ownership should not take much longer. A background check plus an in-person interview with a qualified examiner would solve a lot of these whackjob problems. The current point-of-sale checks fail repeatedly, or just don’t happen. We need something a lot stronger, but infrequent. That means a license.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  386. Still waiting for the trans shooter’s manifesto.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  387. mandatory service in a well regulated militia required.

    This was the Klan’s method of keeping guns out of the hands of blacks. You have to be in the (whites-only) militia.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  388. @387

    Gunownership & ammo sales & purchase: a) licensing, b) registration c) mandatory service in a well regulated militia required. End of story. C outta weed out the lardassed-play-armyman types and the nut bags.

    DCSCA (edf70d) — 5/9/2023 @ 10:59 am

    “Well regulated” means “in working order” boyo.

    whembly (0a8536)

  389. What we need is a robust system whereby someone could go to court and make the case that “a person” is mentally unfit. We don’t have that now

    Actually we have had that in California since 1967. It’s called civil commitment.

    In California the process by which someone is civilly committed to a state hospital is described in the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. The act requires that the person being committed is a danger to himself or others for successive periods of time and that a judicial review is conducted.

    Source

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  390. @291. Who knew the Founding Fathers quilling the Articles of Confederation and the BoR were Klansmen… no labels on the BoR’s well-regulated militia.

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  391. A background check plus an in-person interview with a qualified examiner would solve a lot of these whackjob problems.

    Who would conduct the interview? The gun dealer? Would there be “qualified examiner” in each gun store? There would be such a huge backlog of legitimate gun purchasers that it would make the DMV look like a smooth operation.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  392. Who knew the Founding Fathers quilling the Articles of Confederation and the BoR were Klansmen….

    Many were slave owners.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  393. @392. Except it doesn’t. Don’t wanna have to play army? Don’t like what the Founders expecgted you to do? What could you possibly be afraid of… soldiers quarter in your living room, too?

    ‘During the Revolutionary War era, “militia” referred to groups of men who banded together to protect their communities, towns, colonies and eventually states, once the United States declared its independence from Great Britain in 1776.

    Many people in America at the time believed governments used soldiers to oppress the people, and thought the federal government should only be allowed to raise armies (with full-time, paid soldiers) when facing foreign adversaries. For all other purposes, they believed, it should turn to part-time militias, or ordinary civilians using their own weapons. Those who argue it is a collective right point to the “well-regulated Militia” clause in the Second Amendment. They argue that the right to bear arms should be given only to organized groups, like the National Guard, a reserve military force that replaced the state militias after the Civil War.

    On the other side are those who argue that the Second Amendment gives all citizens, not just militias, the right to own guns in order to protect themselves. The National Rifle Association (NRA), founded in 1871, and its supporters have been the most visible proponents of this argument, and have pursued a vigorous campaign against gun control measures at the local, state and federal levels. Those who support stricter gun control legislation have argued that limits are necessary on gun ownership, including who can own them, where they can be carried and what type of guns should be available for purchase. – https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/2nd-amendment

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  394. The gun registry in CA (which in reality is mandated by federal laws)……

    I’m not sure how the registry is “mandated by federal laws” since it effectively bans newer models sold elsewhere in the country, and is currently being challenged in federal court. Two different judges have ruled the State’s Unsafe Handgun Act unconstitutional; no new firearms have been added to the list since 2013 when the microstamping requirement (a non-existent technology) was added.

    (Judge Dana Sabraw in the Southern District of California) wrote that under the new Bruen standard, “The State is unable to show the (Unsafe Handgun Act’s) chamber load indicator, magazine disconnect mechanism, and microstamping requirements are consistent with the Nation’s historical arms regulations.” The result, he wrote, is that the plaintiffs “have shown likely success on their claim that (those) … requirements violate their Second Amendment rights.”

    Sabraw issued a preliminary injunction of those three provisions, as well as the provision requiring three handguns be removed from the approved roster for every one that’s added. He issued his own stay on those injunctions rather than leaving that for the 9th Circuit.

    None of the enjoined provisions are required by federal law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  395. Those who argue it is a collective right point to the “well-regulated Militia” clause in the Second Amendment. They argue that the right to bear arms should be given only to organized groups, like the National Guard, a reserve military force that replaced the state militias after the Civil War.

    On the other side are those who argue that the Second Amendment gives all citizens, not just militias, the right to own guns in order to protect themselves.

    The other side won.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  396. @396. Such was the character of the times and society they lived in when such thoughts set forth in the AoC C, and afterthougfhts of the BoR were quilled… Many wore wigs, pantaloons, frilly shirts and leg stockings; peed and pooped in holes outside, sniffed & smoked unfiltered, unhealthy tobacco; kept their wives and mistresses from voting, but pursued happiness at the local knocking shops; supped on squirrel stew off highly leaded pewter plates and swilled warm, fermented ale out of leaded tankards, too– used leaches to bleed and feared smallpox more than the Redcoats:

    ‘In the spring of 1776, [smallpox] wreaked havoc on the American army and killed more soldiers than combat.’ – https://www.amrevmuseum.org/read-the-revolution/revolutionary-medicine

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  397. @399. All evidence and dead bodies to the contrary. When it touches your family or friends, you’ll learn the hard way. A close friend lost her cousin in the Aurora mass shooting…saw the images of her corpse. A hole the size of your fist blown into her chest. Yeah! That a win!

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  398. Who would conduct the interview? The gun dealer? Would there be “qualified examiner” in each gun store? There would be such a huge backlog of legitimate gun purchasers that it would make the DMV look like a smooth operation.

    GOOD!!!! Tough sh!t.

    No different than the hellish nightmares air travellers have been forced to go through because a few nutbags hijacked airplanes forcing unwelcomed change on the many.

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  399. @399. All evidence and dead bodies to the contrary. When it touches your family or friends, you’ll learn the hard way. A close friend lost her cousin in the Aurora mass shooting…saw the images of her corpse. A hole the size of your fist blown into her chest. Yeah! That a win!

    DCSCA (edf70d) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:35 am

    All you need to do is convince the SC that Heller et. al. were incorrectly decided or pass a constitutional amendment to overturn them. Good luck.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  400. @403. It was. As if the politicized, berobed and bumblnig bureaucrats don’t make mistakes, eh. God knows; he called the paper jockey who quilled it home for eternal lecturing.

    DCSCA (edf70d)

  401. Who would conduct the interview? The gun dealer? Would there be “qualified examiner” in each gun store? There would be such a huge backlog of legitimate gun purchasers that it would make the DMV look like a smooth operation.

    Way to effing ignore my string of comments. I guess I have to spell out the general idea.

    The idea is to license. To get a license you go down to the licensing bureau and are interviewed as part of your application. You previously have demonstrated proficiency at an accredited school/range and passed a test of gun law. The only thing that happens at the gun store or private sale is to check that your license is still in force — a simple electronic transaction.

    How is this so hard to understand?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  402. All you need to do is convince the SC that Heller et. al. were incorrectly decided or pass a constitutional amendment to overturn them. Good luck.

    No, all you have to do is not be obstinate about how to reduce both frequent government intrusion WHILE seriously vetting people’s responsibility.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  403. DCSCA (edf70d) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:16 am

    https://www.history.com/topics/united-states-constitution/2nd-amendment

    . They argue that the right to bear arms should be given only to organized groups, like the National Guard, a reserve military force that replaced the state militias after the Civil War.

    It didn’t replace the state militias. It is the state militias. It was simply renamed in an effort to confuse people about what the word “militia” meant — and to sell rifles.

    It was undertaken by the National Guard Association and in 1903 Congress enacted the unhistorical definitions into law with its nonsense about the “organized” and “unorganized” militias. And some relationship was set up with the national army. The Republican Party was running out of Union veterans as an organizing force..

    The renaming ior nick-naming was first done in New York State, and in New York it is still sometimes known as the militia.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Guard

    Sammy Finkelnan (ef91cc)

  404. @291. Who knew the Founding Fathers quilling the Articles of Confederation and the BoR were Klansmen… no labels on the BoR’s well-regulated militia.

    There was no noise about regulating who could have guns until the South wanted to get the guns out of Black hands after the Union troops left. Then they invented that stupid argument about how you had to be a militia member.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  405. Heller is based on the notion that there exists some kinds of firearms that are “in common use” or some such phrase. That’s how it gets to exclude gadget guns. Congress can outlaw the manufacture and sale of any kind of weapon.

    Instead of background checks, try insurance against crime with 10 people being required to put up their own money – either in esrow or a credit line. Red flag laws don’t work.

    Sammy Finkelnan (ef91cc)

  406. How is this so hard to understand?

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:58 am

    A constitutional right shouldn’t require a license, and I doubt such a scheme would pass the Bruen test.

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  407. @405. The point is to make the process itself such a miserable hell to go through for the casual nutbag who wants a gun on reflex.

    The fact all of us are forced to be subjected to the hellish misery of modern air travel simply because a handful of imbeciles hijacked planes surely infuriates EVERYONE– but we have to tolerate it for safety reasons because a few ruined air travel for the many. Zero reason why those who desperately crave gunownership shouldn’t have to be put though a similar bureaucratic hell; they can blame the small group of crazies who forced it upon them for the safety of the many: the greater good.

    DCSCA (926343)

  408. @410. But not guilty of rape.

    Too bad she waited 20 years to make it a political jab. Because Americans do love their bad boys.

    Watch his poll numbers spike.

    DCSCA (926343)

  409. A constitutional right shouldn’t require a license…

    That would be news to the First Amendment platforms… like NBC, CBS and ABC- all required to obtain licenses to express the constitutional right to ‘freedom of speech’ along w/adhering to standards and practices.

    https://www.fcc.gov/consumers/guides/obscene-indecent-and-profane-broadcasts

    DCSCA (926343)

  410. A constitutional right shouldn’t require a license, and I doubt such a scheme would pass the Bruen test.

    Voting requires registration. In some places you must present a government ID.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  411. @415. That ‘doesn’t register’ w/him. 😉

    DCSCA (926343)

  412. There is a constitutional right to travel, but air travel requires ID, vetting against a list, and an intrusive search by federal officials.

    You CAN get special IDs (“licenses”) to skip most of the security bother, for a fee, and after a de novo background check and an in-person interview with a federal officer.

    This latter process is pretty much what I’m thinking of fore gun buyers, although I’d add competence and understanding of the laws.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  413. @397 DCSCA (edf70d) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:16 am
    There are contemporaneous meaning that “well regulated” meant “in working order”.

    http://constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm#:~:text=The%20phrase%20%22well%2Dregulated%22%20was%20in%20common%20use%20long,calibrated%20correctly%2C%20functioning%20as%20expected.

    The phrase “well-regulated” was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people’s arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

    whembly (5c393e)

  414. But not guilty of rape.

    I am pretty sure that if you called Trump a “rapist” he wouldn’t be able to sue you for slander. Look for Liz Cheney to bring this up, and perhaps others.

    That’s GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY!

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  415. Is mowing down innocent civilians with a machine gun “functioning as expected”?

    Paul Montagu (8f0dc7)

  416. Wanna operate a shortwave radio platform? Get a license to exercise your First Amendment ‘constitutional right’…

    Any qualified US citizen, company, or group may apply to the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) for authority to construct and operate a high frequency (HF) (shortwave) international broadcasting station. Licensing of these facilities is prescribed by the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, which sets up certain basic requirements. In general, applicants must satisfy the Commission that they are legally, technically, and financially qualified, to build and operate the proposed HF international broadcasting station.

    In the US there are three license classes— Technician, General and Extra. The Technician class license is the entry-level license of choice for most new ham radio operators. To earn the Technician license requires passing one examination totaling 35 questions on radio theory, regulations and operating practices.

    DCSCA (926343)

  417. @398

    The gun registry in CA (which in reality is mandated by federal laws)……

    I’m not sure how the registry is “mandated by federal laws” since it effectively bans newer models sold elsewhere in the country, and is currently being challenged in federal court. Two different judges have ruled the State’s Unsafe Handgun Act unconstitutional; no new firearms have been added to the list since 2013 when the microstamping requirement (a non-existent technology) was added.

    (Judge Dana Sabraw in the Southern District of California) wrote that under the new Bruen standard, “The State is unable to show the (Unsafe Handgun Act’s) chamber load indicator, magazine disconnect mechanism, and microstamping requirements are consistent with the Nation’s historical arms regulations.” The result, he wrote, is that the plaintiffs “have shown likely success on their claim that (those) … requirements violate their Second Amendment rights.”

    Sabraw issued a preliminary injunction of those three provisions, as well as the provision requiring three handguns be removed from the approved roster for every one that’s added. He issued his own stay on those injunctions rather than leaving that for the 9th Circuit.

    None of the enjoined provisions are required by federal law.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:25 am

    The gun registry I was referring to are those mandated by:
    The Federal Firearms Act of 1938
    &
    The National Firearm Act of 1984 (which defacto banned automatics).

    You can purchase/own an automatic that was made before ’84, but its ridiculously expensive AND you’d have to register it with the ATF. (state/local may have additional requirement, ie letting local sheriff that you have these)

    whembly (0a8536)

  418. @418. Go to the source point whe it was quilled- the failed first try: the 18th century Articles of Confederation… and the afterthought quilled into the BoR. The context of the times, the then immediate, tenuous concerns over vulnerable, loosely bound, independent states w/o a national military, fearful of other world powers gobbling some or all of them up again- hence their desire to have a ‘well regulated militia’ at the ready. Wanna a gun today? Qualify for a license, have it registered and be at the ready to serve in a ‘well regulated militia.’ What’s to fear, if you really wanna own a firearm. Exercise? That alone should weed out plenty o/t play army types and the dark-minded crazies.

    DCSCA (926343)

  419. @410. But not guilty of rape.

    Trump was found liable for sexual abuse.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  420. The gun registry I was referring to are those mandated by:
    The Federal Firearms Act of 1938
    &
    The National Firearm Act of 1984 (which defacto banned automatics).

    You can purchase/own an automatic that was made before ’84, but its ridiculously expensive AND you’d have to register it with the ATF. (state/local may have additional requirement, ie letting local sheriff that you have these)

    whembly (0a8536) — 5/9/2023 @ 12:53 pm

    Which banned those weapons nationwide, so it is not particular to California.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  421. @417

    There is a constitutional right to travel, but air travel requires ID, vetting against a list, and an intrusive search by federal officials.

    You CAN get special IDs (“licenses”) to skip most of the security bother, for a fee, and after a de novo background check and an in-person interview with a federal officer.

    This latter process is pretty much what I’m thinking of fore gun buyers, although I’d add competence and understanding of the laws.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 12:46 pm

    The problem here, is that none of that is going to stop bad actors from breaking the law.

    All of this, is akin to this argument:

    Say, in effort to decrease drunk driving a local jurisdiction issues a curfew against driving except for public transport & ride shares starting at 7pm every night.

    Drunk driving kills more than these mass shooting events.

    Explain to me why someone with no record and who may not even drink need to accept “this effort to reduce drunk driving”?

    I’m not saying we should do anything. I’m saying, we should be careful what we ask for and to really, REALLY figure out the root causes. What part of the system, if it exist, failed? Things like that.

    whembly (0a8536)

  422. Voting requires registration. In some places you must present a government ID.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 12:42 pm

    Registering to vote doesn’t require the anal exam you propose for firearm purchases. You need to present government ID to purchase a firearm already.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  423. @417. Yeah– and in CA your DL requires that ID stamp to even board a plane – though they bumped the mandatory date back from ’23 to ’25. But still- it’s looming… it costs to get it and you’re required to produce three forms of ID to get it beyond your DL– and they scan it all into the files along w/your thumb print…’ for your own good’ and the safety of the many. And you MUST do it in person at the DMV offices. A real PITA– no reason gun owners should be exempt from having to be subjected to a similar licensing bureaucratic hell ‘for their own good’… and the safety of the many, too.

    DCSCA (926343)

  424. Registering to vote doesn’t require the anal exam you propose for firearm purchases.

    Tough sh!t. Registering to vote can’t kill you at a movie theater.

    DCSCA (926343)

  425. Voting requires registration. In some places you must present a government ID.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 12:42 pm

    Law-abiding citizens should be able to purchase a firearm with the same ease that it takes to register to vote.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  426. Which banned those weapons nationwide, so it is not particular to California.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 5/9/2023 @ 1:04 pm

    California’s gun registry prohibits the sale of post 2013 standard semi-automatic handguns. As you noted, fully automatic weapons are currently banned by the federal government.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  427. @430. FIFY:

    Law-abiding citizens should be able to purchase clothing at an outlet mall, send their kids to school, go food shopping and go to the movies with the same ease that it takes to register to vote without the fear of being slaughtered by a gun nut.

    DCSCA (926343)

  428. “Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected”

    Would you categorize the current militia as calibrated correctly and functioning as expected?

    Davethulhu (fe2f72)

  429. Law-abiding citizens should be able to purchase a firearm with the same ease that it takes to register to vote.

    Which begs a question.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  430. Registering to vote doesn’t require the anal exam you propose for firearm purchases. You need to present government ID to purchase a firearm already.

    Care to take up the air travel analogy?

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  431. Which begs a question.

    Kevin M (f94f4f) — 5/9/2023 @ 2:08 pm

    Which is?

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  432. Drunk driving kills more than these mass shooting events.

    Hey, I’d ban drunk drivers from possessing alcohol. Card everyone and have a big red MAY NOT PURCHASE ALCOHOL across the driver’s licese of convicted drunk drivers.

    I will tell you for a fact that being barred from obtaining alcohol is about 1000 times more of a threat to an alcoholic than any driving restriction.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  433. Which is?

    How does one demonstrate that they are a law-abiding citizen? Currently we do this by a negative (and cursory) check that has so many holes in it that it is almost meaningless.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  434. Rip,

    The gun registry is indeed unconstitutional. I also oppose blanket CCW restrictions or other harassment (e.g. gun insurance and bullet taxes). I want a SIMPLE regulatory scheme that does not provide opportunities for petty harassment.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  435. Drunk driving kills more than these mass shooting events.

    Whataboutism. And the solution is simple; a breathalyzer gadget as part of the ignition system on all new vehicles– but manufacturers won’t install them due to the added costs– and they can be illegally disconnected. Similar resistance to installation of seat belts back in the day.

    DCSCA (77e1e7)

  436. The gun registry is indeed unconstitutional.

    No it’s not. Gun manufacturers stamp them w/registration numbers as it is which aids both authorities and antique collectors to trace them.

    DCSCA (77e1e7)

  437. I want a SIMPLE regulatory scheme that does not provide opportunities for petty harassment.

    Having persons undergo an investigation equivalent to receiving a Secret security clearance and/or in-person interview with a “qualified examiner” would not be a “simple regulatory scheme” but would provide myriad opportunities for petty harassment. It is too much power to give someone who could then arbitrarily deny a firearms purchase after an investigation or interview. Better the current neutral NICS records check.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  438. The gun registry is indeed unconstitutional.

    No it’s not. Gun manufacturers stamp them w/registration numbers as it is which aids both authorities and antique collectors to trace them.

    DCSCA (77e1e7) — 5/9/2023 @ 2:27 pm

    California’s gun registry doesn’t record gun serial numbers to aid authorities, it arbitrarily bans certain handguns because they lack certain physical features, some of which (like micro-stamping) don’t even exist.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  439. Proposing new gun laws is akin to calling for “comprehensive immigration reform” legislation.

    How about enforcing already-existing laws before suggesting new ones?

    norcal (15fce4)

  440. @443. That doesn’t mean the guns do not have registration numbers to use. The fact they’re not used as w/a VIN number w/car registrations w/a state is up to the state- but the Feds can surely use them.

    DCSCA (77e1e7)

  441. I want a SIMPLE regulatory scheme that does not provide opportunities for petty harassment.

    Tough; too bad. I’d like to be issued a boarding pass show my ticket, have my passport stamped and board my jet to London in less than 15 minutes; not have to be wanded entering an airport, jhavecameras on me going to the head, or passing through a gate, having my luggage rifled, my carry-ons restricted or my little Swiss Army pen knife on my key ring confiscated… Abusers of gun rights force the necessity of layered restrictions for the good of the many, many, many… due to the irresponsibility of the 99.999999% few.

    DCSCA (77e1e7)

  442. @365 Unity with in the democratic base establishment and left base.

    asset (ee30dd)

  443. A democrat who runs on get rid of guns or get rid of those in power who oppose getting rid of guns. Will be coming soon and will win!

    asset (ee30dd)

  444. A democrat who runs on get rid of guns or get rid of those in power who oppose getting rid of guns. Will be coming soon and will win!

    asset (ee30dd) — 5/9/2023 @ 6:11 pm

    That wouldn’t even be successful in the Bay Area, unless things have drastically changed. There was a surprising amount of support for gun rights when I lived there.

    norcal (15fce4)

  445. Breaking: Tucker Carlson Has Announced His Next Job

    “We’re back,” he announced. Carlson announced he will be bringing his show to Twitter. Carlson said he is very grateful to be on the platform, which is now owned by Elon Musk.

    “See you soon,” he said.

    DCSCA (1bba31)

  446. Breaking: Tucker Carlson Has Announced His Next Job

    DCSCA (1bba31) — 5/9/2023 @ 6:40 pm

    Nobody ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people.

    norcal (15fce4)

  447. @451. They don’t call it ‘Twitter’ for nothing. 😉

    DCSCA (33b1fb)

  448. @452 👍

    norcal (15fce4)

  449. The 2024 presidential election should be a Republican blowout.

    … just like the 2022 ‘Red Wave.’

    Oh. Wait.

    DCSCA (8c3ab8) — 5/7/2023 @ 6:04 pm

    A one on one election is easier to win than depending on the outcome of 435 different elections.

    Rip Murdock (479f9d)

  450. A new Supreme Court case seeks to legalize assault weapons in all 50 states

    The Supreme Court could hand down a decision any day now in National Association for Gun Rights v. City of Naperville, a case that could legalize assault weapons and high-capacity magazines in all 50 states.

    The case challenges a Naperville, Illinois, ordinance and a similar Illinois state law, both of which ban assault weapons, which the state law defines to include certain semiautomatic rifles such as AR-15s and AK-47s. Additionally, the state law prohibits the sale of a “large capacity ammunition feeding device,” which the statute defines as long gun magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, or handgun magazines that hold more than 15 bullets.

    The plaintiffs, which include a gun shop owner and a gun rights group, claim the two statutes violate the Second Amendment.
    …………..
    Although the Supreme Court’s decision in District of Columbia v. Heller (2008) permitted lawmakers to ban “dangerous and unusual weapons,” (then District of Columbia Court of Appeals Judge Brett Kavanaugh) read that decision narrowly in his 2011 opinion. He reasoned that semiautomatic rifles are neither more dangerous than lawful weapons such as handguns, nor are they especially unusual — among other things, he argued that at the time of his opinion, “about two million semi-automatic AR-15 rifles have been manufactured.”
    …………

    Rip Murdock (f90b1e)

  451. Rip Murdock (f90b1e) — 5/9/2023 @ 8:36 pm

    More:

    ……….
    In his 2011 dissenting opinion on assault rifles, Kavanaugh explained why he thinks that semiautomatic rifles like the ones captured by DC’s assault weapons ban do not qualify as dangerous or unusual.

    ………….Heller concluded that handguns enjoy special constitutional protection because they are “the most preferred firearm in the nation to ‘keep’ and use for protection of one’s home and family.”

    Kavanaugh argued in his 2011 opinion that, if handguns do not qualify as “dangerous” weapons, then neither can semiautomatic rifles of any kind — because “semiautomatic handguns are used in connection with violent crimes far more than semi-automatic rifles are.”

    He has a point. According to the FBI, more than 10,000 people were murdered by a firearm in 2019 alone — and nearly 6,400 of these murders were committed by a handgun. Meanwhile, only 364 gun murders were committed by a rifle of any kind.
    …………
    Similarly, Kavanaugh argued that assault rifles are not “unusual” because they are widely owned by civilians (Congress banned assault weapons in 1994, but that law expired after 10 years and was not renewed). As noted, Kavanaugh argued that over 2 million AR-15s had been made when he wrote his 2011 opinion. He also argued that “the AR-15 alone accounted for 5.5 percent of firearms and 14.4 percent of rifles produced in the United States for the domestic market.”
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (f90b1e)

  452. He also argued that “the AR-15 alone accounted for 5.5 percent of firearms and 14.4 percent of rifles produced in the United States for the domestic market.”
    ………..

    Rip Murdock (f90b1e) — 5/9/2023 @ 8:47 pm

    What about AK-47s? Also, are Uzis and similar guns classified as handguns or rifles?

    norcal (15fce4)

  453. @454 The democrats will be demanding protect abortion rights and handing out coat hangers. Also republican voters are dying off faster then democrat voters. Non voters closer. 2022 example. Also democrats are younger demographic. Generation Z gave highest percent of vote over millennials and much higher over boomers. Only half of generation Z was 18 in 2022.

    asset (ee30dd)

  454. @norcal, I had an Uzi back when, believe it or not, it was legal to own in California. I don’t know if there are any variants that qualify as rifles, but the one I had, chambered in .45 ACP which I think was the most common configuration, was a pistol.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  455. A 9mm Uzi in a carbine configuration with a 16-inch barrel and a gizmo that would not allow the gun to fire unless the folding stock was extended was one of the earliest “assault style” rifles imported around 1980. Heckler & Kocha had a similar version of their MP5.

    There was also a Finnish Valmet in 7.62×39 which had been made into a semi-auto by the simple expedient of a pin through the receiver which would not allow the selector lever to move into the full-auto position, and some actually got past the ATF for a while.

    By the mid-1980s there were any number of semi-auto “machine pistol” configurations in semi-auto, without stocks and handgun-length barrels, mostly in 9mm, for mall ninjas. You can see them in action movies of that era in the hands of Kurt Russell, Lee Marvin, Chuck Norris, and Arnold Schwarzenegger.

    nk (bb1548)

  456. Heckler & Koch

    nk (bb1548)

  457. I thought this was an interesting article about guns and psychology https://www.nature.com/articles/s41599-019-0373-z

    AJ_Liberty (6f3cdc)

  458. Saying some weapons are unusual is begging the question.

    Sammy Finkelnan (ef91cc)

  459. Busted!

    CENTRAL ISLIP, N.Y. — Representative George Santos, the Republican whose pivotal victory in New York was soon followed by revelations that he had falsified his biography on the campaign trail, has been charged by federal prosecutors in a wide-ranging indictment accusing him of wire fraud, money laundering, stealing public funds and lying in federal disclosure forms.

    Mr. Santos surrendered to the authorities at federal court on Long Island on Wednesday morning, after which the indictment was unsealed. He is expected to appear before a magistrate judge on Wednesday afternoon.

    nk (bb1548)

  460. Having persons undergo an investigation equivalent to receiving a Secret security clearance and/or in-person interview with a “qualified examiner” would not be a “simple regulatory scheme” but would provide myriad opportunities for petty harassment.

    We do this now with TSA PreCheck and Global Entry for air travel. Why? Because it is cheaper and safer than trying to validate every passenger, every time they fly, and a lot easier on the passenger, too.

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  461. Also republican voters are dying off faster then democrat voters

    Indoctrination and propaganda works!

    Kevin M (f94f4f)

  462. @464.

    … and Hunter smiled.

    DCSCA (f71000)

  463. @Dana or @JVW… new post on lastest Biden news?
    https://www.nationalreview.com/news/bidens-used-web-of-shell-companies-to-conceal-foreign-cash-bank-records-obtained-by-house-gop-reveal/

    Dunno how you’d read this as anything other than a money laundering scheme from foreign officials to the Biden family.

    If even half of this is true, should be the biggest story in the country.

    whembly (d116f3)

  464. Institutional betrayal; the DOJ: corrupt; the SCOTUS, wholly politicized; the rule of law: dead.

    39 years ago, a KGB defector chillingly predicted modern America

    https://bigthink.com/the-present/yuri-bezmenov/

    … and Putin smiled; Xi merely grinned… as their Eurasian Alliance with New World Order marching orders rolls on.

    DCSCA (f71000)

  465. A few people are discussing important issues — and even solutions. I don’t know if the Washington Post is right in this editorial, but I commend their effort:

    The covid-19 pandemic brought on a flood of loss — of lives, of jobs and, in a less-discussed tragedy, of learning. Students are still suffering the effects of the months and even years spent away from the classroom. The longer schools dawdle in catching them up, the less chance they have of succeeding.

    The problem was not just that some students lacked internet access; it was also that online learning, the evidence suggests, did not work as well as in-person instruction. The National Assessment of Educational Progress, an evaluation commonly referred to as the nation’s report card, came in last year with alarmingly low marks for the country’s children: Two decades’ worth of progress in math and reading among 9-year-olds was gone. Eighth-graders’ math scores fell in 49 of 50 states. Worse, those already the furthest behind fell behind further still. Black and Hispanic students, as well as students in high-poverty districts, suffered particularly. The longer kids took classes remotely, the worse the numbers look.

    (Links omitted.)

    The Post believes that money should be spent on “high dosage-tutoring”:

    This is basically what it sounds like. Students get relatively individualized instruction, and they get it often — ideally, three or fewer kids per teacher for three hours each week.

    I haven’t had time to follow all the links to research in the editorial, but I see nothihng implausible in their argument.

    Jim Miller (0e46f9)

  466. The covid-19 pandemic brought on a flood of loss — of lives, of jobs and, in a less-discussed tragedy, of learning.

    no, the covid-19 pandemic did not cause this

    lockdowns caused this

    but, as usual, for WaPo and those who advocated for the lockdowns the solution to problems caused by government is more government

    JF (35f8ca)

  467. it was also that online learning, the evidence suggests, did not work as well as in-person instruction.

    If not planned that way from the beginning.

    Online learning has been successful if done right, with contact with the family.

    https://www.onlineschools.org

    https://learn.pearsononlineacademy.com/us

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  468. What about AK-47s? Also, are Uzis and similar guns classified as handguns or rifles?

    norcal (15fce4) — 5/9/2023 @ 11:48 pm

    Fully automatic AK-47s are illegal, however, semi-auto versions are legal and conversion kits are legal. Uzis made after 1986 are illegal and classified as machine guns.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  469. https://twitter.com/WWLTV/status/1655987506293161984?

    They wanted to murder a white person.

    Crickets from our MSM.

    NJRob (5e1950)

  470. whembly (0a8536) — 5/9/2023 @ 1:04 pm

    What part of the system, if it exist, failed? Things like that.

    You could ask what part of it works.

    Deterrence – the near certainty of either being killed, or arrested and jailed for up to 40 years, deters mass shootings. (But it doesn’t work with someone willing to commit suicide.)

    Jack Teixeira was probably deterred, maybe also by the idea that if he killed a lot of people he’d be doing what the FBI, or other government agency, wanted.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/06/us/politics/jack-teixeira-leaks-discord-messages.html

    …“The FBI and other 3 letter agencies contact these unhinged mentally ill kids and convince them to do mass shootings,” Airman Teixeira, 21, wrote in an online chat group, sharing a debunked conspiracy theory after a gunman killed three people at a mall in Indiana last summer.

    In messages posted on Discord, a social media platform popular among gamers, Airman Teixeira claimed that the 20-year-old gunman behind the rampage at Greenwood Park Mall was one of many mass shooters groomed by the American government as part of a secret plot “to make people vote for” gun control.

    At least that’s better than what Alex Jones said about Sandy Hook.

    His messages show a clear fascination with mass shootings, and at times, he adopted the same sense of detachment that he exhibited in posts about the war in Ukraine, focusing more on gear than on the human toll of their use.

    “I think analyzing mass shootings is cool. And fun,” he wrote on Sept. 5, 2022, during an exchange about similarities between shooters in Uvalde, Texas, and Buffalo.

    In October, when another user posted a video of a police officer being fatally shot during a traffic stop, Airman Teixeira responded, “one of my favorite shooting vids.” He was not interested in the circumstances of the shooting, saying he was trying to examine the firearms used in the encounter.

    In a series of posts last summer, Airman Teixeira said the cost and sophistication of firearm kits used by gunmen in mass shootings suggested they had been supplied by the government. He also claimed he had received tips from co-workers in intelligence who had advance knowledge of mass shootings. On one Sunday in June, for example, he wrote: “theres going to be another shooting this wednesday. possible smaller one on monday.”

    Several members of the chat group also echoed this conspiracy theory and put stock in Airman Teixeira’s predictions, none of which came true.

    Teixeira also seems t have into Russian propaganda, at least about the United States making biological and chemical weapons in Ukrainian labs, and creating the Islamic State (and not by accident, by killing all of Abu Bakr al Bagdadi’s rivals – maybe using information supplied by Bagdadi himself.

    Russian propaganda some years ago had the creation of ISIS as being on purpose.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)


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