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11/4/2022

Weekend Open Thread – Junior Varsity Writing – Election 2022 Edition

Filed under: General — JVW @ 8:54 am



[guest post by JVW]

As we head into the final weekend before the big Tuesday coming up (and the five weeks we will wait while votes are being re-counted and Georgia is holding their runoff), let’s traverse our fine land, west to east, and take a look at some key races:

Oregon
Democrat Tina Kotek, former legislative leader, is locked in a neck-and-neck battle with Republican Christine Drazan. It’s been 40 years since a Republican was last elected governor of the Beaver State, but outgoing governor Kate Brown is sooo unpopular (“How unpopular is she?” / She is rated as the least liked governor in the entire United States) that Kotek, her former ally, is now attacking her for inaction on homelessness, policing, and school closures. This will be a fun one to watch.

California
Gavin Newsom, Alex Padilla, and virtually any other Democrat running state-wide will cruise to reelection. An interesting race will be for State School Superintendent, a job that has been held for decades by various Democrat stooges propped up by the teachers unions. With California being the state where children lost the most classroom time during COVID, and with even the donkey party suck-ups at the Dog Trainer acknowledging that the incumbent has “a weak record,” this could finally be a year when Democrat parents decide that the state education bureaucracy needs to change direction and break from union domination. The last few union-backed State Sups have all run behind their party’s gubernatorial and senatorial candidates, so maybe Tony Thurmond won’t cruise to reelection on the Newsom/Padilla coattails.

And in Los Angeles, there’s a chance that the recent kerfuffle on the City Council along with the meaningless tenure of Eric Garcetti and general malaise in the City of Angels might get Angelenos/Angelenas (Angelenx?) wondering if electing the same cast of characters from the same noxious urban machine is such a great idea after all. I think the betting money is still on Karen Bass to be elected mayor on Tuesday, but don’t be too surprised if Rick Caruso manages to swipe it away.

Nevada
Republican Adam Laxalt appears to be holding on to a very slight lead over incumbent Senator Catherine Cortez Mastro. A longtime Nevada political journalist named Jon Ralston is tracking the early voting patterns and he finds evidence that there might not be a large enough Democrat presence in the Clark County (Las Vegas) vote to offset the overwhelming Republican advantages in the smaller counties.

Arizona
Kari Lake would seem to be cruising to a victory over the cowardly Democrat Katie Hobbs who refused to debate her. Say what you will about Ms. Lake and some of her more questionable stances, but as plenty of people have pointed out, she is absolutely fantastic on the stump and she parries hostile questions from journalists probably better than any other Republican candidate in quite some time. (Ms. Lake herself spent over 20 years as a television news reporter and anchor in the Phoenix area.) As I wrote in the other post, Democrats deserve to suffer though a Kari Lake governorship, since they were the ones who promoted her over a more moderate Republican thinking she would be easier to defeat in the general election.

But oddly enough, Republican Blake Masters lags behind incumbent Senator Mark Kelley. Several reasons have been offered for this: Lake is a more naturally charismatic candidate than is Masters, while Kelly (a former astronaut) is far more competent than Hobbs; Kelly continues to receive a measure of sympathy for the shooting which ended the Congressional career of his wife, Gabrielle Giffords; and voters have different expectations of their state officials than they do of their federal officials. But given that Mark Kelly has been a reliable vote for Joe Biden’s agenda (unlike his colleague Krysten Sinema) while President Biden’s popularity is tanking in the Grand Canyon State, it’s hard to see why a significant chunk of voters appear to be willing to split their ballot by voting Kari Lake for governor and Mark Kelly for senator. There are those who insist that Ms. Lake will win by a substantial margin and thus drag Mr. Masters across the finish line with him, but this could be a race that goes into overtime via recount and court challenges for the next month.

Texas
Future headlines we are bound to see:

Wednesday, November 9, 2022 — Abbot Cruises to Third Term with Blow-out Victory over O’Rourke

Tuesday, May 9, 2023 — O’Rourke’s Celebrity Donors and Supporters Prepare for Senate Rematch with Cruz

Minnesota
The guys at PowerLine would probably be telling us if they thought there was any chance of ousting the feckless Governor Tim Waltz, who so badly bungled everything to do with George Floyd. The fact that they are silent about it suggests that Waltz will cruise to reelection, just like Minneapolis’s clownish boy mayor Jacob Frey did last fall. The beatings will continue until morale improves.

Michigan
It would be great to see the obnoxious Gretchen Whitmer, she of the same sense of entitlement manifested by our own loathsome Gavin Newsom, suffer a major upset loss to Republican political novice Tudor Dixon. The incumbent was looking pretty solid throughout the summer, but a recent surge by Ms. Dixon has the Whitmer team sweating, and unions along with other Democrat advocacy groups have been forced to pour in money which they no doubt would rather have spent in states like Georgia or Nevada. It will be interesting to see how this winds up.

Ohio
All signs indicate that J.D. Vance will dispatch the melancholy Tim Ryan. You know what would be hilarious? If Senator Vance turned out to be in the Mitt Romney mold rather than the Josh Hawley mold.

Georgia
Brian Kemp, who heroically performed his sworn duty while fighting off the oafish interference attempts from old what’s-his-name, deserves to win on Tuesday, and let’s hope he wins big. His opponent, on the other hand, has earned nothing but our scorn, and if the Democrats and their media allies had one ounce of introspection available within them then they would acknowledge that. With luck, this will put an end to her political ambitions and she can go back to writing trashy romance novels and complaining about non-existent election fraud.

Over at NRO, Dan McLaughlin argues that Georgia pro-lifers should vote for Herschel Walker. The subhead of his piece sums up his argument: Voters should not lightly support candidates of bad character, but a man who commits even the gravest private sin is still better than one who wants the very same sin promoted by the government and funded by the taxpayers. I suppose that would be good enough for me if I lived in the Peach State.

New York
A Lee Zedlin victory next week would have two awesome ramifications: (1) it would demonstrate to upstate Democrats like Kathy Hochul that when you abandon the Blue Dog Democrat ethos (as Kristen Gillibrand did) in order to pander to New York City leftists, there will be consequences; and (2) it will remind everyone of just how much the wretched administration of Andrew Cuomo did to wreck the party in the Empire State. On the other hand, a Hochul loss might pave the way for a Cuomo return. Dumber things have been known to happen.

Pennsylvania
He may yet pull this out, but it doesn’t seem to be going all that well for John Fetterman, as chronicled here last week. It’s not really the stroke which is dooming his chances as Democrats would like us to believe; Teresa Mull at the Spectator plausibly argues that a healthy John Fetterman would be exposed as a fraud, having accomplished little as mayor of Braddock and being noted for nothing more than short workdays while serving as lieutenant governor. Combine that with his silly Sandersesque economics and his clunky and obvious flip-flop on fracking, and a healthy Fetterman would likely come across as a big dumb lug who advanced this far due to his family’s indulgence. And Dr. Oz played water polo at Harvard.
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I probably left out the state race that you would like to discuss, so my apologies for that. But please do bring it up in the comments section and let us know what you think. I have retired from prognostication and thus will not be telling you how I think it’s going to turn out on Tuesday (or whenever it is finally settled), therefore you are invited to make those predictions on your own, again in the comments section. Here’s wishing everyone a great weekend and be sure to set your clocks back an hour on Sunday. In the meantime, Dana sends along some of her always amazing pictures:

– JVW

487 Responses to “Weekend Open Thread – Junior Varsity Writing – Election 2022 Edition”

  1. Apologies to Kevin M — I know that the New Mexico governor race has turned interesting but I just haven’t followed it closely enough to know much about it. If a Latina governor loses in a state that is majority minority (and I think just under 50% Hispanic), then Democrats are going to have to worry a great deal about their ability to continue to hold the votes of that key bloc.

    JVW (15c733)

  2. Overheard in Arizona:
    — There’s a problem with the voting machines.
    — Can’t we fix them?
    — That’s the problem.

    nk (f4e10f)

  3. In WA State, the race between one of the dimmest bulbs in the Senate and her election denial challenger is tightening. A-minus and B level pollsters have the spread at 1 and 2, respectively. Ms. Smiley could pull it off.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  4. It would be crazy if Republicans pulled off upsets in both Oregon and Washington. Why, it might make me optimistic that someday the party will make a comeback in California. (Nah, just kidding.)

    JVW (15c733)

  5. The best commercial against Murray was the one with the ordinary-looking mom, sitting outside with the Space Needle in the background, saying “it didn’t use to be like this”, end commercial. “This” was open-ended but it was a clear indictment on Seattle’s inability to deal with crime, homeless, wokeness, etc., and Patty Murray is a product of that culture. Powerful.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  6. Unless inflation drops to zero in the next 96 hours– or Joey drops dead— nothing is really going to change; the jello is firming up fast in fridge. So defrost the Cool Whip. This should be a strong GOP sweep.

    Spinning the wreckage in aftermath should really be the clean-up show to watch.

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  7. 2… now do Chicago

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  8. — What is the defendant charged with?
    — Voting twice.
    — For whom?

    nk (f4e10f)

  9. New Mexico could be interesting. The incumbent governor (Democrat Michelle Lujan-Grisham), who won in 2018 by 15%, is hanging onto a much narrower lead (4% according to RCP, 5% via 538) and is running absolutely vicious (and frankly libelous) attack ads against the GOP challenger. (Picture an ad that is 60 seconds of screaming LIAR!!! and you’ve about got it)

    The state’s only major newspaper has come out for the GOP, not so much because they like the GOP candidate — he doesn’t have a deep record — but because Lujan-Grisham’s 4 years have been so completely terrible. They are also upset that she’s STILL claiming emergency powers, renewed most recently in September.

    NM is a funny state. Half the population lives in the ABQ metro area, and they trend Democrat (but not terribly so). The rest of the state is extremely rural, to the point of anti-social loners. All but 4 of the 50 or so counties declare themselves 2nd Amendment sanctuaries. Those 4, of course, are the ones with cities in them.

    If this election is a wave, NM will have some changes. The legislative supermajority is only a few years old and gerrymanders fail in wave elections.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  10. “They wanna keep you scared.” – Hillary Rodham Clinton

    You want a scare? Check this out: from June 20, 1969; over 53 years ago–

    https://clintonhousemuseum.org/hillary-rodham-appeared-in-life-magazine-fifty-years-ago-today/

    The only thing scarier -and staler- toady would be the box of Cold War Civil Defense saltines still sitting in a Wellesley College bomb shelter.

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  11. Here is a KOAT fact check of a Lujan-Grisham attack ad, where she accused Ronchetti of wanting to “defund police.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FU-oXR8qTQc

    This is one of the many lies that the governor’s people are using to deflect from the increased crime rate.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  12. Say what you will about Ms. Lake and some of her more questionable stances, but as plenty of people have pointed out, she is absolutely fantastic on the stump and she parries hostile questions from journalists probably better than any other Republican candidate in quite some time.

    Next to, as in alongside, soft-pedaling John Fetterman’s impairment, the media harped just as much that Mehmet Oz was a TV show host and a practiced speaker. Which brought to mind a famous movie line: “What do you want me to do, learn to stutter?”

    nk (f4e10f)

  13. Say what you will about Ms. Lake and some of her more questionable stances, but as plenty of people have pointed out, she is absolutely fantastic on the stump and she parries hostile questions from journalists probably better than any other Republican candidate in quite some time. (Ms. Lake herself spent over 20 years as a television news reporter and anchor in the Phoenix area.) As I wrote in the other post, Democrats deserve to suffer though a Kari Lake governorship, since they were the ones who promoted her over a more moderate Republican thinking she would be easier to defeat in the general election.

    Yep. She’s easy on the eyes and ears. The Ds strategy was a bad one- especially w/Lake. Such are the advantages of experienced media personalities in the television age.

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  14. The rest of the state is extremely rural, to the point of anti-social loners.

    This is hilarious and true, based on my experience. But terrific people and I love your(new home) State.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  15. KRQE analysis of race (youtube). Their poll has the race within the margin of error (and within the undecided spread).

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  16. NM is so rural in places that they set off an A-bomb here. In secret.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  17. Kevin @16. Okay, now I don’t feel so bad that my view of New Mexico is from 1960s spy fiction. Long skirts, turquoise, and only the men wear high heels. (Cowboy boots, cowboy boots!)

    nk (f4e10f)

  18. Along the trail you’ll find me lopin’
    Where the spaces are wide open
    In the land of the old A.E.C. Yee-hoo!
    Where the scenery’s attractive
    And the air is radioactive
    Oh, the Wild West is where I wanna be

    ‘Mid the sagebrush and the cactus
    I’ll watch the fellows practice
    Droppin’ bombs through the clean desert breeze
    A-ha!
    I’ll have on my sombrero
    And of course I’ll wear a pair o’
    Levis over my lead B.V.D.’s

    I will leave the city’s rush
    Leave the fancy and the plush
    Leave the snow and leave the slush
    And the crowds
    I will seek the desert’s hush
    Where the scenery is lush
    How I long to see the mush-room clouds

    ‘Mid the yuccas and the thistles
    I’ll watch the guided missiles
    While the old F.B.I. watches me
    Yee-hoo!
    Yes, I’ll soon make my appearance
    (Soon as I can get my clearance)
    ‘Cause the Wild West is where I wanna be

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  19. Malicious Georgia prediction:

    Kemp wins, defeating election denialist Stacey Abrams.

    Walker wins a plurality of votes in Senate race. But not enough to avoid runoff.

    Trump announces his candidacy for President November 14.

    Walker goes down decisively in the runoff, as Trump blusters, blovates, and reminds us all of the never in our nevertrumpiness. But not all will be gloom in Mar-a-Lago. Mitch will still not have a majority because of Georgia.

    Appalled (7e1a61)

  20. Where are the free speech advocates on the right defending Kyrie Irving’s right to free speech (we know where the left stands)?

    Rip Murdock (102247)

  21. Rick Caruso has gone full-blown leftist Democrat, running commercials endorsing abortion and enshrining it in the California constitution.

    Sad!

    Rip Murdock (102247)

  22. An early thank you to Democrats, their media operatives and nevertrump for having the wisdom to turn the Trump-endorsed candidates into stars… and pouring an estimated $53M into the effort.

    One would be excused for thinking that given the “81,000,000” votes Biden got in 2020, the mid-term elections would be a cinch for Biden.

    No joke!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  23. Nobody gives a juicy rip about irving.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  24. Irving’s just sharing the viewpoints of Farrakhan, Sharpton and other leading democrats.

    Why, it’s almost like their ingrained anti-Semitic actions over several decades weren’t noticed.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  25. Possibly the best places for predictions or outlook:

    http://www.electionbettingodds.com (translated into probabilities)

    (You see here just the Senate and the House and presidential winner in 2024

    https://www.predictit.org

    Senate. state by state Some Senate races are considered such sure things that there is no market

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  26. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2022 @ 11:03 am

    Irving’s just sharing the viewpoints of Farrakhan, Sharpton and other leading democrats.

    I think it is Kyrie Irving’s peculiar religion, which people may not have realized he had. Sharpton has disowned him because he doubled down. Irving does not consider it hate. But the purpose of these lies is more than just to build up blacks.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  27. Nobody gives a juicy rip about irving.

    So much for Voltaire.

    Rip Murdock (102247)

  28. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2022 @ 10:58 am

    An early thank you to Democrats, their media operatives and nevertrump for having the wisdom to turn the Trump-endorsed candidates into stars… and pouring an estimated $53M into the effort.

    Someone (Sean Patrick Mq
    Alney, head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Commmittee?) onn one of the Sunday interview shows said they did it in only one House race and it looks like the MAGA candidate is going to lose. He wouldn’t speak to Senate and Gubernatorial races.

    SSammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  29. Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 11/4/2022 @ 10:58 am

    An early thank you to Democrats, their media operatives and nevertrump for having the wisdom to turn the Trump-endorsed candidates into stars… and pouring an estimated $53M into the effort.

    Someone (Sean Patrick Maloney, head of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee whose going to lose his own House race) said on Face the Nation – one of the Sunday interview shows – that they did it in only one House race and it looks like the MAGA candidate is going to lose. He wouldn’t speak to what the Senate and Gubernatorial committees did nor about affiliated groups.

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sean-maloney-face-the-nation-transcript-10-30-2022

    MARGARET BRENNAN: On that topic, Democrats shelled out about 53 million to support 13 Republican candidates during the primaries. I know you’re part of strategy here, and the strategy was to elevate less electable Republicans in order to benefit Democrats, and some of this worked for you. But in at least two races, these guys have realistic shots at a victory. I’m looking at John Gibbs in Michigan, for example. Do you take responsibility for helping election deniers?

    REP. MALONEY: Well, at the DCCC, there’s only one race in the country, one where we- where we engaged in the- in the tactic you’re talking about. And what we did was we ran an ad that’s true, that said he’s too extreme for Western Michigan. And we ran that general election ad about two weeks early. And Hillary Scholten has been beating him consistently since she became our nominee. She’s a strong pro-choice Democrat–

    MARGARET BRENNAN: So you stand by that strategy?

    REP. MALONEY: and she’s going to- and she’s going to beat him. What I can tell you is that in a budget of $340 million, we spent about $400,000, running a true general election commercial two weeks early, calling John Gibbs an extremist which he is, and- and that’s all you’re talking about. And I can’t be – I can’t answer to what governors did or what senators did or what other people did. But the committee I ran in a budget of $300 million, put $400,000 into speeding up a general election ad that was truthful, and we’re going to win that race.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  30. R.I.P. Ray Guy, hall of fame punter for the Oakland Raiders

    Another piece of my childhood gone.😢

    Icy (18bb8c)

  31. Desperation Squirrel! What else ya got, RIP…

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Even in Wall Street Journal letters to the editor people do not realize the fallacy of the arguments against incarceration.

    It is argued that New York had a period of low imprisonment and low crime.

    The fallacy is that the argument made for decarceration assumes that crime is not affected by the criminal justice system and therefore dynamic.

    It allows for various social factors, and that prison disables criminals, but ignores deterrence and the power of a bad example (word of mouth learning of someone getting away with committing crimes – for awhile – it always catches up with them in the end)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  33. How did I miss this Peanuts segment. I do note the similarities in short-pants between Charlie Brown and Angus Young.

    Paul Montagu (753b42)

  34. New York Gubernatorial race.

    Zeldin projections are too optimistic. I think he’s not counting properly and being misled by tweaked polls. Zeldin is getting votes in New York City but he has to do more than carry areas carried by Joe Lhota in his race for mayor in 2013.

    Zeldin is probably doing better than Lhota, — and signs are appearing — the illegal ones, posted on lampposts, being torn down by Democrats

    Lhota got I think 27%. Zeldin has to get around 35%. (he doesn’t need 40%) He’s polling around 32% 33% He is likely to carry more than Staten Island and southern Brooklyn – maybe sections of Queens too (he should get a good majority in all other parts of the state, with the possible exception of Buffalo area)

    Zeldin is concentrating on upping turnout in areas likely to vote for him. He needs to campaign in places where Hochul iwould normally get 80% or 90%. And he should have used the argument in the debate that “you” voted for Giuliani and Bloomberg (Bloomberg ran as a Republican even in 2009)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  35. I heard on WOR 710 earlier this week that some political expert had it on good authority that Governor Andrew Cuomo intended to replace Kathy Hochul as as Lieutenant Governor in 2022 and had arranged for her, or was intending to arrange for her that she be offered the job of Deputy Secretary of Commerce in the Biden Administration.

    Kathy Hochul was his second Lt Gov – chosen first in Cuomo’s second term 2014.

    I read two different explanations as to why he wanted her: It was to show him more centrist and it was an olive branch to the Working Families party (unions and woke) That’s besides her being from upstate and western New York, and a woman.

    Cuomo just caved in to all the extreme progressive wing when the Democrats gained control of the state Senate — and he had something to do with bringing that about. He might have been afraid of losing a primary.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  36. Georgia’s Senate seat won’t be needed at that point, Appalled. I’m more in despair of rumblings that DeSantis might punk out for 24.

    urbanleftbehind (c3e317)

  37. Someone noted that Kathy Hochul always smiles, regardless of what she is saying.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  38. 33, wasn’t the Sliwa showing of mid 30s% last fall a better template on which to build. I don’t know how much of that was from the traditionally 80/90 Dem areas though. The NY Republican machine might be afraid of burning money on insincere actors in traditional Dem constituencies; Illinois Republican gubernatorial hopefuls tend to whip out the money on any revrun or contrarian rancho libertarian they can find only to see those votes not be cultivated as promised.

    urbanleftbehind (c3e317)

  39. Where are the free speech advocates on the right defending Kyrie Irving’s right to free speech (we know where the left stands)?

    What? Did the government throw him in jail?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  40. Possibly the best places for predictions or outlook

    Just because people put their money where their mouth is does not make them right. It may mean they have more money than brains.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  41. Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/4/2022 @ 11:54 am

    Just because people put their money where their mouth is does not make them right. It may mean they have more money than brains.

    That’s why things with a less than 1% chance trade at 5% and things with a near 100% chance trade at 95%, When the odds get further away from reality than that, other people get into the market.

    The best that was made by some was after the November 2020 election when the chance that Donald Trump would not be inaugurated president was trading at 80%. That was an easy 15% (or about $125) for people gambling on predict-it to pick up (maximum bet on a single prediction: $850)

    Someone once made (and then quit) a lot of money on number of Republican Senators when Congress assembled at the beginning of 2019. He realized, apparently, that Governor Rick Scott of Florida would not resign but serve out his full term before being sworn into the Senate.

    He picked up the contract at 5% and sold – at whatever. I guess he could ahve made several hundred dollars.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  42. I am glad the GOP is winning in the midterms in the national races. Divided federal government is a blessing with the poor policy positions in these sad Parties.

    And with some of the new GOP Senators and Representatives claiming to be Trump populists, it will make DC even more dysfunctional — like having 3 Parties. Nothing will get done.

    DRJ (350aab)

  43. Playing “The Trump Card”–

    ‘Oprah endorses Fetterman over Dr. Oz, whose career she helped launch’

    Oprah Winfrey said on Thursday that she was endorsing Democratic Lt. Gov. John Fetterman over Republican Dr. Mehmet Oz in the Pennsylvania Senate race. While Winfrey is a Democrat herself, it’s notable because Oz first came to prominence as a health expert on “The Oprah Winfrey Show” before he got his own talk show in 2009, which was produced her company Harpo. His show ended in January.

    “I’ll tell you all this, if I lived in Pennsylvania, I would have already cast my vote for John Fetterman for many reasons,” Winfrey said during a virtual conversation with community leaders. Fetterman’s campaign said Winfrey’s support for the Democrat over Oz “speaks volumes.” [But can Fetterman??? Nope. And that’s a tragically sad truth.]

    “Oprah is widely regarded as the person who helped launch Dr. Oz’s career, and knows him well,” the campaign said. Fetterman called her endorsement an “honor and privilege,” saying she is a “leader on so many issues — fighting for our democracy, passing common-sense gun reform, and ensuring racial justice. I’m grateful for Oprah’s support and trust on the issues that matter to people across the country and Pennsylvania as we close out this campaign.” Following the primaries, Winfrey previously declined to make an endorsement in the race, saying it was up to Pennsylvanians to decide. Since then, the polls have tightened, with Fetterman’s lead having shrunk.

    Winfrey also endorsed Democrats in other races. That is not the only race that matters,” she said. “If I was in North Carolina, as you mentioned, Sister [Cheri] Beasley there, and if I was in Florida, I’d be supporting Val Demings. If I was in Wisconsin, it would be Mandela Barnes. In Nevada, [Catherine] Cortez Masto, and in Texas, Beto O’Rourke and Raphael Warnock and the incredible Stacey Abrams, of course, in Georgia.”

    She continued, “There are clear choices out there… the values we hold dear, the values of inclusion, the values of compassion and that so many of us share… Use your discernment and choose wisely for the democracy of our country.”

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/04/oprah-winfrey-endorses-john-fetterman-over-dr-mehmet-oz-in-high-stakes-pennsylvania-senate-race/

    Yet in 2016, it was this when it came to Hillary:

    Oprah: ‘You don’t have to like her’

    Oprah Winfrey’s message for undecided voters is simple: There’s only one choice, and you don’t have to like her. The former talk show host and media mogul, who endorsed Hillary Clinton in June, said she has been largely silent in this election because she wasn’t sure she had words that were loud enough to be heard over the tumult.

    https://www.politico.com/story/2016/10/oprah-winfrey-on-clinton-230148

    In 2008 and 2012- backed Obama. But this late in a game that clearly changed a great deal in 15 years, does a ‘celebrity endorsement’ even one so long off America’s TV screens, even matter anymore?

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  44. Rick Caruso has gone full-blown leftist Democrat, running commercials endorsing abortion and enshrining it in the California constitution.

    Rich guys like Caruso absolutely depend on abortion, otherwise their secretaries would all be baby mommas.

    JVW (15c733)

  45. ‘Oprah endorses Fetterman over Dr. Oz, whose career she helped launch’

    This would have been huge news back in 2004.

    JVW (15c733)

  46. 33. 39. Curtis Sliwa got 27.8%

    33% was the percentage of votes that went to someone other than Adams.

    https://www.cnn.com/election/2021/results/new-york-city/mayor

    Adams 67.0% 753,801 441,416 plurality

    Sliwa 27.8% 312,385

    https://www.politico.com/election-results/2021/new-york-city/mayor/

    And Sliwa was not a conventional Republican — he was very much a no Trumper.

    I honestly did not think of Sliwa. Sliwa did get a bit more than Lhota:
    Lhota actually got 24.3% – It was all others who got 26.7%.

    PARTY VOTES PCT.
    Bill de Blasio Dem. 752,604 73.3%
    Joseph J. Lhota Rep. 249,121 24.3
    Others 24,443 2.4

    Politico has: (updated JAn. 10 2022)

    New York City mayor results

    Eric Adams 753,801 67.4%
    Curtis Sliwa 312,385 27.9%

    100% of precincts reporting (5,901/5,901)

    Also see:

    https://www.thecity.nyc/2021/12/1/22813256/new-york-city-mayor-election-results-map

    Meanwhile, Sliwa picked up a total of 312,385 votes — 47,965 more ballots than 2013 GOP candidate Joe Lhota, who also ran in the Conservative ballot line.

    There was very low turnout in most places in the 2021 New York City mayoral general election.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  47. I’m more in despair of rumblings that DeSantis might punk out for 24.

    DeSantis has campaigned with Lee Zeldin, Kari Lake (controversially), Derek Schmidt in Kansas, Adam Laxalt (his roommate in the navy), and a few others I can’t remember. If a few of them win — especially key races like Zeldin and Laxalt — then DeSantis supplants Trump as the kingmaker in the Republican Party. And the Trump people damn well know it, even if the Big Cheese himself doesn’t. DeSantis would look weak if he decided to back down in 2024 and defer to someone far less popular.

    JVW (15c733)

  48. @45. LOL – right up there with this, from then:

    ‘Gateway offered shoppers a $300 DVD player that also records TV shows onto DVD — the first affordable DVD player that does what the old VCR could. And Panasonic already offers a combination digital video recorder with built-in DVD recorder but it costs $1,200.’

    https://www.forbes.com/2004/01/02/102techtrendspinnacor_ii.html?sh=4903df2e11f5

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  49. Fetterman has two impairments — one of which they want to talk about and one of which they don’t. The one they want to talk about is his difficulty in deciphering speech. The one they don’t want to talk about – and which is anyway much more difficult to measure – is his difficulty in coming up with words. (this des not apply to memorized or teleprompter text – he can deliver and read smoothlyporepared text.)

    It is interesting what Teresa Mull said, that Fetterman might have done worse had the Republicans focused on his record and his thinking but that is a big if and a big if if they could have done it properly.

    In New York Hochul is dropping for reasons like that, but she has a lot more to fall.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  50. OT- Saturday’s Powerball jackpot climbs to $1.6 billion.

    Cop to spending $10 on chances for a billion-plus, before taxes.

    DCSCA (5bf377)

  51. In New York State the governor has more than ten days to sign or veto legislation — I don’t know if there is any limit.

    https://www.crainsnewyork.com/politics/governor-kathy-hochul-has-yet-sign-441-bills-albany

    The New York Post listed possibly controversial bills that she has refused to sign or veto (Cuomo also took his time)

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/03/hochul-delays-action-on-420-hot-button-bills-before-election-day

    The Foreclosure Abuse Prevention Act (described as preventing sudden foreclosure proceedings after a long length of time) Opposed by real estate and banking interests.

    Comptroller auditing. Restores ability of Comptroller to audit contracts, removed by Governor Cuomo (she might have a personal interest in that not happening)

    MTA cameras: Required MTA to install cameras in all stations. (money issue?)

    Housing for ex-cons: Access to public housing. Details not explained.

    Medical debt: Prevents liens against primary residence or wage garnishment for medical debt owed to doctors and hospitals

    A bill that outlaws sales of dogs, cats and rabbits in retail pet stores. (animal rights activists complaining about puppy mills vs stores that go out of business)

    A ban on cryptocurrency mining at old fossil fuel plants (opposed on grounds that it simply will happen other places?? And of course by crypto-miners, some of whom she collected donations from. Supported by need to keep plants online as backup?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  52. On the other hand, Lee Zeldin has not said anything, pro or con about the proposed bond issue.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  53. Donald Trump has come out against re-electing Mitch McConnell as Republican leader and says he is sorry he endorsed him for re-election in 2020.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  54. “If the (D)s really cared about democracy they’d accept the drubbing they’re about to get, and take
    the L — to prove they are willing to abide an honest (if massive) defeat at the ballot box. This would do
    wonders to calm things down. But I don’t think the (D)s have it in them.”

    —- Brad R. Torgersen

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  55. 47, true…even if it’s the least likely of the flips, I wouldn’t mind a Joe O’Dea win especially in the event of an upset-D hold somewhere else because that’s the most stark of the “DeSantis but not Trump” endorsements.

    urbanleftbehind (c3e317)

  56. In az the rethugliKKKan candidates for secretary of state and attorney general are so bad they make kari (evan mecham II) lake look sane. They might win. Finchum the sos candidate wants to stop most vote by mail that most az voters use and tom horne left the ag office because of his involvement with pedophiles! He is running for school superintendent! Nationally moderate democrats in swing districts not progressives in blue districts are in trouble and will take over the party from the corporate donor class who will end up like never trumpers in the rethugliKKKan party. Since rethugs are evil and self destructive they will remind voters why they hate rethugliKKKans as biden and the corporate democrats remind voters why they hate establishment democrats. Have fun everybody on election day!

    asset (48ca11)

  57. New York ballot proposals:

    https://www.nycvotes.org/meet-the-candidates/2022-general-election/2022-ballot-proposals/

    ‘Clean Air, Clean Water, and Green Jobs Bond Act’ was originally proposed by Governor Cuomo in 2020, and the state legislature voted to put the issue on the ballot for voters to decide. However, the proposal was delayed due to the Covid-19 pandemic. Governor Hochul amended the proposal earlier this year, and the legislature once again voted to place it on the ballot this November.

    She added $500 million for electric school buses. That’s the only thing specific in it. I notice that they are not really making a claim it will fight climate change. It’s green jobs. A lot is for mitigation. It’s on the ballot because any official state borrowing must be approved by the voters. The amount ($4.2 billion) is small compared to the annual state budget, so it won’t squeeze out very much.. It creates a slush fund from which there is limited incentive not to spend too much money. On the other hand some necessary or useful things might not get done without it.

    The next three are New York City amendemnts to the city charter

    Questions 2 and 3 go together. Question 2 is mostly harmless. It creates preamble about equity. (which means equal outcomes mostly by race)Question 3 establishes all kind of requirements to plan for it.

    This is very harmful. It’s all code words, although it doesn’t strictly force anything, except hiring X number of people.

    Question 4 would require the city to calculate the true cost of living in the city, not counting any public, private, or informal assistance, anyone might receive. It’s the cash someone might need. This could be a useful statistic, but of course it would be used to create misleading arguments, for use in municipal labor bargaining maybe, and the figure would not mean much because the cost of housing varies so much by individual circumstance. Also it would include child care costs which can vary from nothing to people certified and paid high wages. food, childcare, transportation, and other necessary costs, Also transportation and food is to be included along with housing costs and other necessary costs. The city would produce a “true cost of living” . measure annually. (I think you could artificially raise it by say, requiring training for paid child care. It all depends on the people in charge.)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  58. 57. We don’t have a blow by blow account of how he managed to hit Paul Pelosi over the head several times and knock him unconscious for three minutes while the police were there.

    It was claimed in the charges that DePape told Paul Pelosi not to open the door, but he did and that (shortly, or before the door was opened?) they were struggling over the hammer with Paul Pelosi having his hand on the top and with DePape having his hand on the bottom.

    And then one of the policemen told (only the intruder, DePaper, or was this not directed specifically at anyone?) to drop the hammer and DePape gained control of the hammer and told the police “Nope” and proceeded to swing the hammer and strike Paul Pelosi’s head several times before the police managed to tackle him and grab the hammer away from him.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  59. Donald Trump has come out against re-electing Mitch McConnell as Republican leader and says he is sorry he endorsed him for re-election in 2020.

    Donald Trump is a pimple on a gnat on Cocaine Mitch’s ass.

    JVW (15c733)

  60. I think I stole that line from a mafia movie. Anyone remember? Was it Goodfellas? Casino? Something else?

    JVW (15c733)

  61. asset @58.

    tom horne left the ag office because of his involvement with pedophiles!

    Wait a second! Aren’t the pedophiles, or their helpers, according to the QAnon theories, supposed to be Democrats?

    https://blogforarizona.net/politifact-finds-tom-horne-has-been-making-false-statements-about-test-scores

    Tom Horne has shown he will do anything to win including taking support from known racists/sex offenders, sowing division, and his own versions of the education big lie.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  62. 61… “Gotti” starring John Travolta?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  63. I found this:

    https://tss.ib.tv/boxing/featured-boxing-articles-boxing-news-videos-rankings-and-results/66915-did-the-hoodlum-element-rule-boxing-in-the-1950s-a-dissenting-opinion

    I recently stumbled upon a book that contradicts the conventional wisdom that the mob had a stranglehold on boxing in the 1950s. “(Frankie) Carbo was no more than a pimple on a gnat’s ass when it came to boxing,” says the author, the late Truman K. Gibson.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  64. Here is a link to a public radio show about the New York ballot proposals:

    https://www.wnyc.org/story/everything-you-need-know-about-new-yorks-ballot-proposals

    Someone commented to me the other day that when you listen to (most talk radio) and when you listen to NPR it’s like you are in different universes.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  65. “Poor guy. He must’ve been confused…”

    Do you still think it was a gay hookup gone bad?

    Davethulhu (129a95)

  66. “Donald Trump has come out against re-electing Mitch McConnell as Republican leader and says he is sorry he endorsed him for re-election in 2020.”

    Without Mitch Trump would not have had the successes that he did.

    Davethulhu (129a95)

  67. It has been speculated or leaked that Gina Raimondo will be moved from Secretary of Commerce to Secretary of the Treasury to replace Janet Yellen. Willa Republican majority Senate create trouble for that?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  68. But Mitch McConnell is an opponent of Trump, although he is quiet about that.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  69. In az rethugs are accusing every democrat of advocating defund the police. No Xmas card to trump from cocaine mitch?

    asset (48ca11)

  70. It is interesting that Trump says this before the election.

    Trump is basing this on McConnell not trying to blackmail Biden over the debt ceiling:

    He incoherently used the word impeachment.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/3717824-trump-they-ought-to-impeach-mitch-mcconnell-if-he-backs-debt-ceiling-elimination

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  71. Some techy gamer, some place, has gotta be working on a “Where’s Nancy?” video game by now.

    DCSCA (b0f191)

  72. What is the republican solution to rising food prices besides tax cuts for the rich?

    asset (48ca11)

  73. @72 Where is nancy? Checking out living quarters in rome when biden appoints her ambassador to italy after democrats lose majority in house.

    asset (48ca11)

  74. In az rethugs are accusing every democrat of advocating defund the police.

    Are you surprised that after 70 years of Democrat campaign insistence that Republicans want to cut Social Security that Republicans might get a little bit of payback on the defund the police nonsense?

    JVW (15c733)

  75. Rasmussen reports that the GOP leads the Dems by five points on their final generic ballot, and that independents are +13 for Republican candidates. This is actually slightly down from last week, when it was plus seven for the GOP, and half of the ten-point advantage Rasmussen reported back in July. But it’s still pretty significant.

    JVW (15c733)

  76. @75 minority leader mccarthy came out last week and said they will use the debt ceiling to cut social security and medicare. Last night after their voters came after them for trying to cut social security like taking shots at their house in hickory n.c. candidates forced mccarthy to back track and say he now wont touch social security and medicare. Conserative economic libertarians like paul ryan may not like social security and medicare ;but trump’s populist voters do!

    asset (48ca11)

  77. Wow, even CNN seems to expect that it’s going to be bad for New York Democrats:

    Democratic officials and strategists in New York tell CNN they are bracing for what could be stunning losses in the governor’s race and in contests for as many as four US House seats largely in the suburbs.

    With crime dominating the headlines and the airwaves, multiple Democrats watching these races closely are pointing to New York City Mayor Eric Adams, accusing him of overhyping the issue and playing into right-wing narratives in ways that may have helped set the party up for disaster on Tuesday.

    “He was an essential validator in the city to make their attacks seem more legit and less partisan,” said one Democratic operative working on campaigns in New York, who asked not to be named so as not to compromise current clients.

    I would love to see the finger-pointing in that party should they take a drubbing on Tuesday: Adams, Cuomo, Hochul, Schumer, Gillibrand, the Adorably Ornery Clueless niece — hell, maybe even Hillary Clinton will come in for a scolding. How fun that would be.

    JVW (15c733)

  78. Don’t ever go changing, asset. Things around here just wouldn’t be the same.

    JVW (15c733)

  79. Kari Lake has talent and charisma. I can’t think of any politician, present or past, who is smoother when it comes to answering questions from the press. Bill Clinton, maybe?

    Here’s to hoping the Trumpy things she has said in the past were just shrewd sops to the kooks, and that she will be more like Mike Lee, who eventually came around to acknowledging the election wasn’t stolen from Trump (after first comparing Trump to Captain Moroni, a heroic figure in the Book of Mormon).

    norcal (a1f318)

  80. @76. JVW, assuming it’s an impressive GOP win across the board and it’s popcorn time, what do you think the Ds will prioritize to push through in the lame duck period until the new Congress is seated? They must have a shopping list.

    DCSCA (175923)

  81. …hell, maybe even Hillary Clinton will come in for a scolding. How fun that would be.

    A scold so old… over 53 YEARS of America being subjected to her head-nodding prattle.

    DCSCA (175923)

  82. . . . what do you think the Ds will prioritize to push through in the lame duck period until the new Congress is seated? They must have a shopping list.

    Great question. The problem is that they will still be dealing with a 50-50 Senate, and I think maybe they have gotten as much out of Manchin and Sinema as they can (though Manchin certainly has let me down before). Also, I don’t think they have any more attempts at budget reconciliation, so Cocaine Mitch and his band of outlaws can pretty much filibuster anything they want.

    JVW (15c733)

  83. The midterms don’t always go as expected.

    In the 1998 midterms the GOP was expected to run the table, but didn’t. It turned out that impeaching Clinton wasn’t as popular as it seemed. The Dems GAINED 5 seats in the House and the Senate was a wash.

    In 2002, voters had their first shot at W since he won that clustermuck in Florida. But the GOP gained 2 Senate seats and 8 House seats and we got to see James Carville with a trashcan on his head.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  84. . . . what do you think the Ds will prioritize to push through in the lame duck period until the new Congress is seated? They must have a shopping list.

    Lots and lots of judges.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  85. @83. That’s true. And cross-the-aile cooperation will be totally dead, too. All ‘Joe-joking’ aside, don’t believe the POTUS has much leverage to use, either. Weak. Especially if he gets the bulk of the blame for a bad night on Tuesday. Just can’t see him running again after the numbers are tallied.

    DCSCA (5b02b2)

  86. @85. That makes sense, too– but can they get confirmed in that 60 day time frame- even w/t holes from the holiday schedule?

    DCSCA (5b02b2)

  87. That makes sense, too– but can they get confirmed in that 60 day time frame- even w/t holes from the holiday schedule?

    McConnell changed the rules when the Dems tried to slow-walk every judge in 2019-20 by consuming the entire allotted 30 hours of debate on each judge.

    Now there is a two-hour debate period after cloture, and no filibustering. It can go pretty quick and I’m sure that the Democrat Senators will use the McConnell rule to every advantage.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  88. @89. Haven’t checked the Congressional calendar, but do you have any idea how many actual days will they be in session into the new year? They vacate for a lot of holiday time from Thanksgiving through New Years.

    DCSCA (7aeafc)

  89. @88. “Where’s Nancy?” could go down in urban folklore along side “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?”

    DCSCA (7aeafc)

  90. Twitter is absolutely hilarious right now.
    Musk’s purchase has been everything I’d hoped it could be.

    Time123 (baad7d)

  91. Biden says he was a professor, but didn’t teach a single class for nearly $1M gig

    “President Biden told an audience in New Mexico Thursday that he was a professor after leaving the vice presidency, despite never properly assuming that role. Biden slipped in the comment while touting the amount of time he has spent with Chinese President Xi Jinping. “I spent more time with Xi Jinping of China than any world leader has. When I was vice president and when I was out of the office for four years and I was a professor, and now president,” Biden said. The president was speaking at the Central New Mexico Community College in Albuquerque about his student debt relief plan and as part of a four-state, three-day campaign swing to support Democrats in competitive races in solidly blue California, Illinois and New Mexico as well as battleground Pennsylvania. Thursday was not the first time he brandished his supposed credentials as a former professor at the University of Pennsylvania. After leaving the White House, Biden was given the title Benjamin Franklin Presidential Practice Professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

    Biden’s claim to have been a professor has been looked into previously, with Snopes determining in April 2022 that “this role was honorary.” While Biden held the honorary post, he made about $900,000. He gave roughly a dozen lectures and talks but never taught a full semester’s course. Nor did he conduct any research or have any administrative responsibilities. At the same time, Biden held the honorary Franklin post, Penn also named him Senior Fellow at the Andrea Mitchell Center for the Study of Democracy.

    After launching his presidential campaign in April 2019, the university released a statement saying he would be taking an “unpaid leave of absence from his work at the Penn Biden Center.” – FoxNews.com

    OMG. It’s harder and harder to just chalk these up as routine ‘gaffes.’ It’s who he is and what his mental state is now.

    We’re a better people than this. We deserve better, competent performance from the folks who work for us.

    DCSCA (561df3)

  92. Albuquerque city government, which famously charged then-President Trump $211K for a campaign appearance a while back, views this trip by Biden as being job-related and not a campaign appearance. They charged only $1,000 for a venue rental.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  93. Biden was given the title Benjamin Franklin Presidential Practice Professor at the University of Pennsylvania.

    I would have preferred the title “Peter Principle Presidential Practice Professor” if he’d say it 5 times fast.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  94. While Biden held the honorary post, he made about $900,000.

    Sounds like an emolument to me.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  95. Hoping Katie Porter loses

    Hawkins (510887)

  96. I wonder how many elections will have the Republican winning on election night, and then losing days later

    JF (bd86f7)

  97. It will go on until Republicans choose to use the other available ballot options. If the let Dems have 30 days to vote and themselves just the one, Democrat turnout will beat them every time.

    Trump lost for this reason alone.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  98. Youtube banning Steven Crowder right before Election Day shows where their priorities lie. They don’t want people to get information from anywhere other than leftist sources and Crowder has built himself an impressive following. He interviews politicians regularly and had more active engagement election day 2020 than CNN or Fox News.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  99. Still waiting for the explanation of how Trump won 18 of 19 bellwether districts and improved his percentage of the minority vote in cities everywhere except the magical ones in the states that gave Biden the win.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  100. Polarization, NJRob.

    “There are more and more places in this country that are consistently red or blue, so there are fewer and fewer counties that swing back and forth from election to election.”

    DRJ (4653e0)

  101. I can accept that DRJ. Guess we will see with the House elections next week.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  102. https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-says-coal-plants-all-across-america-will-shut-down-replaced-with-wind-solar

    Biden wants to bankrupt our nation and destroy our system of producing energy to allow people to survive.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  103. Youtube banning Steven Crowder right before Election Day shows where their priorities lie. They don’t want people to get information from anywhere other than leftist sources and Crowder has built himself an impressive following. He interviews politicians regularly and had more active engagement election day 2020 than CNN or Fox News.

    NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/4/2022 @ 7:07 pm

    You can still find him on Rumble, which is quickly gaining a reputation for being less compromised by the SJW brigade for the time being than the Google-owned YouTube.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  104. What a weird election. Andrew Sullivan posts how he intends to vote Republican, staking out a position slightly to our host’s right.

    https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/will-biden-and-the-dems-finally-get-7a7

    So guess what? I’m going to vote for the Republican and the most conservative Independent I can find next Tuesday. And I can’t be the only Biden and Clinton and Obama voter who’s feeling something like this, after the past two years.

    There was no choice in 2020, given Trump. I understand that. If he runs again, we’ll have no choice one more time. And, more than most, I am aware of the profound threat to democratic legitimacy that the election-denying GOP core now represents. But that’s precisely why we need to send the Dems a message this week, before it really is too late.

    By “we,” I mean anyone not committed to the hard-left agenda Biden has relentlessly pursued since taking office. In my view, he and his media mouthpieces have tragically enabled the far right over the past two years far more than they’ve hurt them. I hoped in 2020 that after a clear but modest win, with simultaneous gains for the GOP in the House and a fluke tie in the Senate, Biden would grasp a chance to capture the sane middle, isolating the far right. After the horror of January 6, the opportunity beckoned ever more directly.

    And yet Biden instantly threw it away. In return for centrists’ and moderates’ support, Biden effectively told us to get lost. He championed the entire far-left agenda: the biggest expansion in government since LBJ; a massive stimulus that, in a period of supply constraints, fueled durable inflation; a second welfare stimulus was also planned — which would have made inflation even worse; record rates of mass migration, and no end in sight; a policy of almost no legal restrictions on abortion (with public funding as well!); the replacement of biological sex with postmodern “genders”; the imposition of critical race theory in high schools and critical queer theory in kindergarten; an attack on welfare reform; “equity” hiring across the federal government; plans to regulate media “disinformation”; fast-track sex-changes for minors; next-to-no due process in college sex-harassment proceedings; and on and on it went. Even the policy most popular with the center — the infrastructure bill — was instantly conditioned on an attempt to massively expand the welfare state. What on earth in this agenda was there for anyone in the center?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  105. Then he goes on to attack David Brooks from the Right. Read the whole thing. The sound you hear is the Blue Wall breaking.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  106. Chuck Norris just endorsed Blake Masters. No one can deny Chuck.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  107. In 2002, voters had their first shot at W since he won that clustermuck in Florida. But the GOP gained 2 Senate seats and 8 House seats and we got to see James Carville with a trashcan on his head.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/4/2022 @ 3:17 pm

    Gaining seats that soon after a bellwether event like 9/11 was going to be a tall order. The mid-terms were likely the catalyst that ultimately led Bush to decide to invade Iraq, since he figured he had a mandate.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  108. What a weird election. Andrew Sullivan posts how he intends to vote Republican, staking out a position slightly to our host’s right.

    Hopefully getting lied to and then put through a struggle session by Jon Stewart a few months ago opened his eyes to how mendacious and completely off the rails the Dems have gone. Bill Maher seems to be one of the few mainstream liberals these days with enough self-awareness to try and slap his side back into reality.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  109. Twitter is absolutely hilarious right now.
    Musk’s purchase has been everything I’d hoped it could be.

    Time123 (baad7d) — 11/4/2022 @ 4:43 pm

    These people are throwing a tantrum over an internet sticker.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  110. Andrew Sullivan is taking a position to the right of Country First Liz Cheney.

    BuDuh (bd3f88)

  111. This will disappoint Mr. Haiku.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/details-emerge-in-paul-pelosi-attack-a-break-in-conversation-911-call-then-violence/ar-AA13JjP0?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3bfe63908a854533b91ddff0b237b3b6

    The willingness, nay frenzy, to believe grotesque conspiracy theories has been fascinating.

    Appalled (acf034)

  112. CNBC says Shep Smith is out immediately, contradicting initial announcement

    ‘Former Fox News anchor-turned-CNBC host, Shepard Smith, is out effective immediately at the network. CNBC confirmed Friday that the “last newscast was Wednesday, November 2,” in an update to Thursday’s initial announcement.

    The network first reported Thursday that Smith would leave CNBC later in the month of November. However, it then quietly updated the announcement, contradicting its initial report and burying the news of the final broadcast.

    We’ve decided to do an additional hour of live market coverage next week at 7 p.m. ET as we are focused on identifying potential job opportunities for affected employees across the News Group. We thank Shep and the entire ‘News with Shepard Smith’ team for their incredible work and dedication over the past two years,” a spokesperson for CNBC said.

    It’s unclear what led to the abrupt change. Smith has not made any statements on his departure.

    According to CNBC President KC Sullivan, “We need to further invest in business news content that provides our audiences actionable understanding of the complex developments in global markets and the implications on institutions, investors and individuals.”

    Smith worked at Fox News from 1996-2019 before starting his program at CNBC in 2020.

    CNN similarly canceled programs with Jake Tapper and Don Lemon, as the new chairman and chief executive officer of CNN Worldwide seeks to reorganize the network. Reliable Sources with Brian Stelter was also canceled, and unlike Tapper and Lemon, Stelter won’t be continuing at CNN.

    On Friday, MSNBC’s Tiffany Cross’s program was canceled following her comments on Florida, which she said “literally looks like the d*** of the country.” Her departure is also effective immediately.’ – WashingtonExaminer.com

    DCSCA (7b8f0e)

  113. The willingness, nay frenzy, to believe grotesque conspiracy theories has been fascinating.

    Kinda like the whole Trump Russian Bounty conspiracy, huh?

    BuDuh (bd3f88)

  114. Appalled

    The Paul Pelosi story is more fiction than fact

    EPWJ (19507e)

  115. “Twitter is absolutely hilarious right now.
    Musk’s purchase has been everything I’d hoped it could be.”

    So I’ve been following this for a while. Here’s the timeline as I see it:

    April – Musk acquires 9.2% of Twitter. Initially he is offered a position on the board, but after learning that his maximum total stake would be limited as well as his ability to criticize Twitter, he instead decides to buy Twitter for $44 billion. After a bit of back and forth, Twitter accepts his offer. Notable is the fact that Muck declines due diligence and also that he is also significantly overpaying.

    May-June – Within a week or two of his offer, Musk gets a serious case of buyer’s regret. Musk raises the issue of “bot” accounts as a reason to put the deal “on hold” and later he attempts to withdraw from the deal.

    July – Twitter sues Musk in Delaware Chancery court.

    August-September – The pre-trial part of the lawsuit does not go well for Musk.

    October – Sensing the direction the wind is blowing (and probably wishing to avoid discovery), Musk agrees to purchase Twitter for his original asking price, so long as the suit is dropped. The judge gives him until October 28 to finalize things or else the trial will continue.

    October 27 – Musk buys Twitter. He immediately fires the existing Twitter leadership. He claims the firings are “for cause” in an attempt to avoid paying their golden parachutes, this will almost certainly result in further lawsuits which he will almost certainly lose.

    Ongoing – Musk fires a lot of staff, in many cases without the required notice. This will will result in more lawsuits that he will almost certainly lose. He says he plans to start charging $20/month for the verification checkmark (later reduced to $8 after Steven King (the author) say he has no intention of paying). Twitter is also facing issues with advertisers. Notable here is that several politicians (Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz) are threatening to hold congressional hearings about these advertisers.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  116. let’s think of ways to keep the Paul Pelosi story alive until 2024

    JF (bd86f7)

  117. Sad to see Smith go at CNBC — it was an actual newscast rather than a scream-fest. Considering what else is going on, I would not be surprised to see him land on his feet at CNN with much the same kind of show.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  118. Ongoing – Musk fires a lot of staff, in many cases without the required notice. This will will result in more lawsuits that he will almost certainly lose. He says he plans to start charging $20/month for the verification checkmark (later reduced to $8 after Steven King (the author) say he has no intention of paying). Twitter is also facing issues with advertisers. Notable here is that several politicians (Tom Cotton, Ted Cruz) are threatening to hold congressional hearings about these advertisers.

    Notice, Smotice. They can sue for notice all they want, but those that do will get a few weeks of pay and no severance, which is NOT required by any law. Those that simply take the severance payout (and sign the forms) will do much better in the end.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  119. I can see Twitter going ad-free for a while. Payment for service is a growing thing. See substack, among others. “Free” is worth what you pay for it.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  120. “They can sue for notice all they want, but those that do will get a few weeks of pay and no severance, which is NOT required by any law”

    The federal Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act requires businesses with 100 or more employees to provide 60 days’ notice before engaging in mass layoffs. The law defines mass layoffs as those affecting at least 500 employees during a 30-day period, or at least 50 employees if layoffs impact at least one-third of a company’s workforce. Employers can provide workers with 60 days of severance pay in lieu of giving notice.

    https://www.reuters.com/legal/will-twitter-layoffs-violate-us-law-2022-11-04/

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  121. And those workers can
    1) sue and wait quite some time
    2) collect what severance the company offers in exchange for a waiver of rights.

    And the company can just pay the 60 days wages and then treat them like sh1t when they try to get references.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  122. @78 AOC takes a scolding not hardly. She and the other progressives in deep blue districts will be busy taking over the democrat party say when you stand in the middle of the road you get run over! The donor class and corporate establishment will be once again discredited as in 2016. Ron desatan tells biden to stay and campaign in florida it will help republicans. Why because donor class demands when they go low we go high democrats. High in the air like that woman hit by the racists car in charlottesville. DNC says its more important to stop the left base from taking over the democrat party then win elections. Democrat establishment tells preachers and black women elected officials demand strict gun control in black areas so black men are not armed when desatan and his rethugs stop them from voting. Many black voters in georgia who have voted for years are being challenged anonymously because they are black and given provisional ballots that wont be counted under new law.

    asset (9af101)

  123. And there is an exception to the WARN Act:

    Unforeseeable business circumstances: When the closing or mass layoff is caused by business circumstances that were not reasonably foreseeable at the time that the 60-day notice would have been required (i.e., a business circumstance caused by some sudden, dramatic, and unexpected action or condition beyond the employer’s control, such as unexpected cancellation of a major contract)

    The action by hard left activists to scare off advertisers was unforeseeable and has cost Twitter several million dollars a day through the cancellation of several major advertising contracts.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  124. @101 I have explained in the past how trump lost by 44,000 votes in the electoral collage in az, ga. and wi. The democrats used ballot access laws that republicans put in place to try and keep the libertarian party off the ballot (they failed) to keep the green party off the ballot so they couldn’t siphon off votes from disgruntled democrats and independents. Green party not trump defeated clinton in 2016.

    asset (9af101)

  125. — Are the polls still indicating a landslide victory for me?
    — Up until yesterday.
    — What happened yesterday?
    — The election.

    nk (f4e10f)

  126. I thought Elon Musk was the richest man in the world. He can’t afford two months’ severance for the workers he’s kicking to the curb?

    I’d love to have Musky Elon testify under oath that laying off workers was not his plan before he even tweeted that he wanted to buy Twitter.

    nk (f4e10f)

  127. Nk.

    No, actually many Twitties fired is a great day for America

    EPWJ (650a62)

  128. Apples and naartjies, EPWJ. That’s not what we’re talking about.

    nk (f4e10f)

  129. Wordle in four with MUSKY as my starter word.

    nk (f4e10f)

  130. 121, for higher than 8 but less than 30 al mes Twitter they should bundle 10 Substacks, 1 Only Fans account, and willing newspaper/magazine provider subscriptions. There had been talk of a paywall breaker feature, but who knows with the newly created hole in the budget.

    urbanleftbehind (153056)

  131. Great for Andrew Sullivan, but he could at least finagle an address in Fairfax or Loudon County or any place more swingier (NPI!).

    urbanleftbehind (153056)

  132. @111, that + the morons crying that Musk hasn’t instantly fixed the problems that mostly exist in their own mind + musk learning that his actions have consequences. It’s all hilarious.

    Time123 (baad7d)

  133. I will say the layoffs weren’t funny.
    The cash burn at Twitter is mostly driven by the debt from the LBO.
    The layoffs were handled in a fairly callous way.
    I doubt the programmers will be out of work long, but it still was done poorly.

    Time123 (baad7d)

  134. Did the workers on the Keystone pipeline get their day in court against Joe Biden’s actions? They were mass fired due to his desire to harm our nation. Those were thousands of workers.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  135. Ecclesiastes 3: 1-2

    “To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to learn to code.”

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  136. 118… the Hide the Hammer guys?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  137. “The Democrats are facing an epic disaster that will make Hurricane Ian look like a springtime drizzle. We are at a moment in time rarely seen in politics, where the President of the United States can give a Prime Time address claiming that the very future of the Republic is at risk and the reaction is a complete shrug. Nobody cares. Nobody is listening. Biden owns the “bully pulpit,” but it is made of balsa wood and was nailed together by a 3 year old with a Playskool hammer.”

    —- David Strom

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  138. @VinceCoglianese
    When Democrats ask their focus groups about Jan 6, voters keep bringing up the 2020 riots

    @ThePlumLineGS
    Troubling: Dem focus groups find swing voters respond to cues about the MAGA threat to democracy by both-sidesing it.

    Troubling: Voters have brains

    JF (2ec49f)

  139. Nk.

    I love you. But thinking fired employees have some monetary compensation rights is crazy

    EPWJ (650a62)

  140. I thought Elon Musk was the richest man in the world. He can’t afford two months’ severance for the workers he’s kicking to the curb?

    They’re getting three months pay plus benefits during that time. It’s hilarious that you and Dave think his lawyers, after years of working in the Soviet Socialist Republic of California, didn’t anticipate having to do this.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  141. https://www.news-gazette.com/opinion/columns/real-talk-white-supremacy-in-white-and-black-face-part-ii/article_b5a0e8f8-abea-5847-83e2-a3ff60ff462d.html

    These are the types of racists the left has indoctrinating our kids. Far left radical who calls black men slurs for walking away from the leftist plantation.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  142. I doubt the programmers will be out of work long, but it still was done poorly.

    Time123 (baad7d) — 11/5/2022 @ 5:27 am

    Twitter is/was the equivalent of an adult daycare center, and if they weren’t actually prepared for this after months of media coverage, the workers probably need to do some growing up. Social media companies are mostly economic dead weight, anyway, that could all disappear tomorrow and literally nothing of value would be lost, other than a few internet windows that allowed the US government to spy on Americans.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  143. I’d love to have Musky Elon testify under oath that laying off workers was not his plan before he even tweeted that he wanted to buy Twitter.

    Or the workers that they did not get notice that he planned layoffs.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  144. Wordle in four with MUSKY as my starter word.

    I am disappointed if I don’t get it in four or less. I usually start with WEIRD. If I have nothing better to try, I have 4 set words that span 20 letters, roughly in increasing Scrabble value.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  145. NJRob (eb56c3) — 11/5/2022 @ 8:38 am

    That article is a scream. When you make a nice living as a professor and consultant just like fellow race mongers Kendi and DiAngelo, and your ideology is is supported by one of the two major political parties in the US, the country’s bureaucratic institutions, just about every globalist megacorps, the UN, and the WEF, you’re not being oppressed by WITE SOOPREMACEE, you’re benefitting from it.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  146. I love you. But thinking fired employees have some monetary compensation rights is crazy

    Then you must be the only sane person in the world, EPWJ, because the law, as well as millennia-old common sentiment, thinks they do.

    They’re getting three months pay plus benefits during that time.

    If that’s a fact, then New Twitter has complied with the warning rule.

    It’s hilarious that you and Dave think his lawyers, after years of working in the Soviet Socialist Republic of California, didn’t anticipate having to do this.

    What lawyers anticipate and what Elon “pedo guy” Musk does are two entirely different things. Also, see below.

    Twitter is/was the equivalent of an adult daycare center, and if they weren’t actually prepared for this after months of media coverage, the workers probably need to do some growing up.

    All the media coverage I’ve seen about Musk convinces me that only an idiot would go looking for another job based on what he says or tweets.

    nk (a9ec23)

  147. I doubt the programmers will be out of work long, but it still was done poorly.

    I imagine that there was a lot of hostility going in. Musk didn’t help it much, but this whole thing got adversarial pretty quickly; especially the leftist activists trying to ruin Twitter if they couldn’t control it. I think that’s a big part of this — an “if we can’t have it, no one can” attitude on the part of the Woke.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  148. If the benefits of an internet sticker are really that important to the people, they shouldn’t have a problem paying for it. What Musk is doing isn’t any different than people who pay for premium features on LinkedIn or Ancestry, or streaming services to cut down on ads.

    The only reason they’re mad about it is because they think their side took an L in the culture war, to a man who’s expressed support for the same globalist voodoo ideas that Klaus Schwab has, no less.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  149. All the media coverage I’ve seen about Musk convinces me that only an idiot would go looking for another job based on what he says or tweets.

    nk (a9ec23) — 11/5/2022 @ 8:59 am

    Fully functioning adults tend to exercise a level of future-time orientation that allows them to be prepared for setbacks. Twitter doesn’t operate in an industrial vacuum, and the employees should have been making contacts within other companies in Silicon Valley weeks ago in the event it went through, if they were actually emotionally developed enough to be ready for that.

    The fact they thought they could present Musk with a list of “demands” that included keeping on the entire workforce shows they don’t actually possess that in any substantive way.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  150. It says online that Washington is an at will employment state. If so, there would be no requirement to pay severance unless there is a public policy exception.

    However, with a company that large with so many employyes, my guess is that most of the fired Twotter employees have employment contracts. Employment contracts often require severance.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  151. Also, I don’t see any other way to notify employees uniformly and fairly than a mass email. They aren’t all in the same workplace and it is a tech company. They all have email.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  152. while we fret about twitter employees

    ‘We’re going to shut all coal plants in America, replace with wind and solar power,’ says Biden

    JF (32212e)

  153. Fully functioning adults tend to exercise a level of future-time orientation that allows them to be prepared for setbacks.

    They functioned well enough, and were emotionally developed enough, to build a Twitter that Musk $44 billion for. (BTW, has he paid yet?) And they had a right to include the 60-day warning granted them by law in their future-time orientation.

    nk (792eed)

  154. And it’s funny to see phrases like “fully functioning adult” and “emotionally developed” in a conversation about Elon Musk.

    nk (792eed)

  155. They’re getting 90 days severance which is more than the amount required by leftist labor law. Musk is a leftist that supports free speech. Evidently that’s too far a bridge for his fellow lefty travelers.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  156. that Musk *paid* $44 billion

    nk (792eed)

  157. They functioned well enough, and were emotionally developed enough, to build a Twitter that Musk $44 billion for. (BTW, has he paid yet?)

    But not enough to start floating their resumes beforehand and demand that he keep everyone on, apparently. Guess all that free wine at the Twitter HQ got in the way.

    And they had a right to include the 60-day warning granted them by law in their future-time orientation.

    LOL, it wasn’t even brought up until after Musk took over the company. And since they’re getting three months pay plus benefits as announced by Musk’s management team as part of the announced layoffs, your complaint here is irrelevant, anyway.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  158. And it’s funny to see phrases like “fully functioning adult” and “emotionally developed” in a conversation about Elon Musk.

    nk (792eed) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:34 am

    There’s more copium being inhaled here than Tony Montana in his coke stash.

    Sorry your team had to take an L here, nk.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  159. They’re getting 90 days severance which is more than the amount required by leftist labor law.

    WaPo says so, too, NJRob. And the U.S. Department of Labor says that’s more than they’re entitled to.

    I should have checked that first, and ignored the two cents’ worth from EPWJ and FWO.

    nk (792eed)

  160. My team? L? I don’t even have a Twitter account. I was drawn in by EPWJ’s and then your philosophical musings.

    nk (792eed)

  161. I haven’t been anybody’s employee since 1986. I have been an employer. You take care of your people.

    nk (792eed)

  162. nk

    Its crazy to think that fired employees have a right to pay from a company that declines to further employ them. I still stand by that statement, and I dont think according to my sources they are getting a thing – most were fired for insubordination which btw in most states – removes you from unemployment benefits – except for COBRA. The 60 days is the plant closing law – doesn’t apply to layoffs where the facility is still open

    EPWJ (650a62)

  163. I should have checked that first, and ignored the two cents’ worth from EPWJ and FWO.

    nk (792eed) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:47 am

    Thanks for admitting your were ignorant of these developments and I wasn’t.

    My team? L? I don’t even have a Twitter account. I was drawn in by EPWJ’s and then your philosophical musings.

    nk (792eed) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:51 am

    For someone white-knighting Twitter’s employees and snarking on Musk as hard as you are, you sure seem to have an emotional investment here.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  164. I haven’t been anybody’s employee since 1986. I have been an employer. You take care of your people.

    nk (792eed) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:52 am

    Cope harder.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  165. I apologize to all the other commenters, and to Patterico for wasting his bandwidth.

    nk (792eed)

  166. The only flaw in my blocking of nk is when people quote him. But it reinforces my decision, so there is a plus.

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  167. Donald Trump’s inaugural committee chair, Tom Barrack, was acquitted on all counts Friday at a federal trial in which he was accused of using his personal access to the former Republican president to secretly promote the interests of the United Arab Emirates.
    The jury deliberated three days before finding Barrack not guilty of acting as an unregistered agent of a foreign government, obstruction of justice and making false statements. Barrack had vehemently denied the charges.

    https://www.newsmax.com/politics/inaugural-probe-trial/2022/11/04/id/1094916/

    Oh?

    Makes some of the comments on this old thread pretty enjoyable to reread:

    https://patterico.com/2021/07/23/weekend-open-thread-94/

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  168. only two days of democracy left

    JF (3ec28e)

  169. BREAKING: Joe Biden on @ElonMusk’s Twitter Takeover:

    “And now what are we all worried about: Elon Musk goes out and buys an outfit that spews lies all across the world.. There’s no editors anymore in America.. How do we expect kids to be able to understand what’s at stake?”

    https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1588731410625761282

    LOL

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  170. “And now what are we all worried about

    No, not “we all,” Pudding Brain. And the best part is that all you can do is seethe, because Musk’s rockets are putting your defense and surveillance satellites into space due to NASA evolving into a jobs program for bureaucrats and commissars.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  171. nk

    I didnt mean disrespect – just stating my view – an alarming portion of our national debt is overpaid unemployment benefits – much of the rising costs of retail, manufactured, and services to the everyday consumer are these crazy “entitlements”.

    I was trying to convince not belittle

    EPWJ (650a62)

  172. Try try again

    NASA is making another run at launching the Artemis I spacecraft on its maiden voyage to the moon, rolling the $4.1 billion rocket back onto the launch pad Thursday at Kennedy Space Center after months of delays pushed the liftoff to Nov. 14.

    The launch is scheduled a week from Monday at 12:07 a.m., but NASA was keeping an eye on a low-pressure system in the Caribbean that threatened to bring heavy rain and strong winds to the area in the coming days.

    The agency still has about 10 days for a contingency plan if conditions worsen, although the rocket is built to withstand moderately strong weather.

    Some of those engineers are praying for a Category 4.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  173. @173: Joe misspelled “censors”

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  174. There’s no editors anymore in America..

    i mean, who’s going to spike the next hunter biden revelation days before the election?

    JF (3ec28e)

  175. @176. The engineers can only work with what they have on hand and do what they’re directed to do by management. The LV was essentially cobbled together w/leftover shuttle hardware per the direction of Congress, too. My own issues remain w/t management team as currently structured. Not fully confident in them. Hydrogen has always been a finnicky propellent as is. Their experience and current decision-making protocols were culled from shuttle times, too. The suits should be changed out every 5 years there- if only to avoid the inevitable crust that grows on middle aged bureaucracies. If Musk streamlines Twitter as well as he has managed SpaceX ops, it would be amusing to ponder how he’d clear out the deadwood at NASA as it is structured today. Aeronautics is part of their charter and they’re into a lot of areas other agencies could be shifted to for management– or just ended; community ‘reach out’ projects, PAO education programs– stuff like that.

    DCSCA (6014a7)

  176. Kevin M, I used to hope that Elon Musk was D.D. Harriman. Not so much. But better than NASA’s bureaucrat jobs program!

    Simon Jester (710d16)

  177. @117. He [Musk] says he plans to start charging $20/month for the verification checkmark (later reduced to $8 after Steven King (the author) say he has no intention of paying).

    And how much do King’s novels cost new? $25-$35? Even at a thrift store they sell for $4.

    “No intention of paying.” How did the USA survive before there was a Twitter– or a spooky storyteller?

    “Ghastly grim and ancient Raven wandering from the Nightly shore— Tell me what thy lordly name is on the Night’s Plutonian shore! ”Quoth the Raven ‘Nevermore.'” – Edgar Allen Poe, 1845

    DCSCA (6014a7)

  178. Simon,

    Musk’s problem is Asperger’s, bordering on sociopathy. He really doesn’t connect with people easily and may not know when he’s pushed things too far. This whole Twitter thing was a mistake, not really for business reasons, but social ones. He thought that the Woke would let him change Twitter. It turns out they’ll kill it rather than let that happen.

    Harriman? Well, Harriman was a scoundrel and I don’t see Musk being that. But I do see Musk getting to Mars. Not clear if his colony will succeed, but I think he’ll get there soon enough.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  179. But I do see Musk getting to Mars.

    ROFLMAOPIP. It is November 5, 2022; there are There are then 56 days left in 2022…

    Elon Musk targets Mars by 2022, and using rockets for Earth travel [9/29/2017]

    We always knew Elon Musk was an ambitious guy, but now he’s taken it up a notch. At the International Astronautical Conference in Adelaide, Australia on Friday, Musk presented his goal to get to Mars by 2022 — before preparing for a human crew in 2024. “That’s not a typo. But it is aspirational,” Musk said, upon revealing his plans.

    How Musk plans to do it is by not only via reusable rockets, which is the core of SpaceX’s model, but also focusing the company’s efforts on developing an even bigger, fully reusable vehicle. That vehicle has been codenamed “BFR” (for Big F*cking Rocket) and is slated to replace the Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy and Dragon. – https://mashable.com/article/elon-musk-mars-bfr

    Deadly radiation issues aside, the only Mars Musk can get to in 56 days… is Mars, Pennsylvania.

    “Do the hustle…’ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZyT6QW5Pdo

    DCSCA (6014a7)

  180. Two days left for democracy? The corporate media libs are working themselves up into a frenzy! Establishment democrats are terrified of being exposed as the weaklings they are. They remember their utter helplessness after the 2016 election when they were discredited. Yelling russian collusion! DNC being led by senile old fool. Pretending they are more terrified of maggots then they are of AOC and the left taking over the party Wednesday what me worry? Focus groups you suck! ;but maggots are nazis! Focus group we don’t care you suck! Fortunately rethugliKKKans are evil and self destructive whos answer to all problems are tax cuts for the rich. The voter in time for 2024 will remember why the hate rethugliKKKans.

    asset (a62fdd)

  181. “I dont think according to my sources they are getting a thing – most were fired for insubordination”

    I would *love* it if you would post your sources.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  182. @Kevin@182 I don’t think it’s a “the Woke” problem at twitter. Businesses have been pushing a bunch of internet companies to be less controversial and more family friendly for years now with threats to remove advertising dollars if they don’t comply. Musk is making twitter more controversial and less family friendly, so it is consistent with their actions of the last several years that they would remove their advertising dollars. Also, I would think that it might be a good business strategy to not renew an advertising contract at current rates if you think the rates will go down shortly as twitter attempts to win advertisers back.

    Nic (896fdf)

  183. More vote suppression in georgia. 1000’s of black voters who asked for mail in ballots in just one county have not received them. One rethugliKKKan has challenged the eligibility of 30,000 black voters forcing them to use provisional ballots and not told by law why they are being challenged and wont be counted unless they can go down to election office and prove they are eligible. (CNN) Stand by for more voter surppression of black and latinx voters. No wonder donor class and corporate establishment wants gun control for black voters!

    asset (a62fdd)

  184. Also, I would think that it might be a good business strategy to not renew an advertising contract at current rates if you think the rates will go down shortly as twitter attempts to win advertisers back.

    Yep. A change in management changes much.

    DCSCA (6014a7)

  185. Davethulhu (19f7f6) — 11/5/2022 @ 1:15 pm

    Sure – just learn to read – cultivate important business contacts – cause captain obvious needs even more proof…

    EPWJ (650a62)

  186. Corporations should think carefully before throwing in their lot with the far left of the Democratic Party.

    https://twitter.com/tomcottonar/status/1586167045745684480

    Tom Cotton threatening GM for suspending ads on Twitter.

    The Fortune 100 have become the economic enforcers for the radical Left.

    The Dems support censorship & Big Business is in bed with them trying to silence Americans.

    If you value your liberties, fight back.

    https://twitter.com/tedcruz/status/1588596717838299136

    Ted Cruz threatening other companies for suspending ads on Twitter.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  187. “More vote suppression in georgia. 1000’s of black voters who asked for mail in ballots in just one county have not received them. One rethugliKKKan has challenged the eligibility of 30,000 black voters forcing them to use provisional ballots and not told by law why they are being challenged and wont be counted unless they can go down to election office and prove they are eligible.”

    Strange those pesky voter fraud laws

    EPWJ (650a62)

  188. More vote suppression in georgia. 1000’s of black voters who asked for mail in ballots in just one county have not received them.

    i asked for a blue or black pen and didn’t get one

    JF (dd11cc)

  189. @190 rethugs threatening business? I thought that was the democrats job! You know free enterprise and all that freedom from government intimidation.

    asset (a62fdd)

  190. I don’t think it’s a “the Woke” problem at twitter

    I don’t know that the average age of a Twitter moderation is 23, but I suspect it’s something like that. That cohort has been raised in a bubble where conservative thought has been excluded and the entire “woke” phenomenon is pretty much centered there.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  191. Joe Biden must believe that Democrats are going to receive a thrashing on Tuesday. Despite the party’s public bravado about their chances of retaining the Senate, the President has apparently decided that the Dems can cut Joe Manchin loose:

    On Saturday, West Virginia Democratic senator Joe Manchin denounced a statement made by President Biden on Friday that he would shut down coal plants all around the country.

    In a scathing statement, Manchin called Biden’s comments “outrageous … offensive and disgusting” and said Biden’s remarks “ignore the severe economic pain the American people are feeling because of rising energy costs”[.]

    Manchin is up for reelection in 2024, and if he wants to run for another term he can’t be excited about the prospect of running on the same ticket as a guy who lost the state by 30 points four years earlier. I think Manchin will come to regret not switching over to the GOP last year. He probably could have cut a sweet deal with Cocaine Mitch and put himself in a very strong position. Now, Cocaine Mitch not only will probably offer him nothing to switch, but he’ll probably also throw his support behind Manchin’s opponent. I expect that Joe Manchin is going to be announcing that he intends to retire from the Senate and spend more time with his family after 2024.

    JVW (15c733)

  192. Hi Kevin M…I never saw DD Harriman as a scoundrel, but that is probably because I read the story about the end of his life, “Requiem,” as a little boy.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delos_D._Harriman

    And I realized that (even at that age), no matter how much I wish differently, Harriman will get farther out into The Black than I will.

    Simon Jester (710d16)

  193. @195. Yep. [Recall the HRC gaffe and subsequent apology over ‘putting coal out of business’ in 2016.]

    Joe was Joed: used, abused and abandoned.

    Just another example of these ancient, old pols not being very bright bulbs.

    DCSCA (d43fb0)

  194. Anyone who lets Coca-Cola turn the Moon into their trademark is a scoundrel.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  195. As or Musk, I do think he’ll get to Mars. I also think it’s a mistake. Getting to, and sustaining a colony on, Mars will be a lot easier with significant lunar infrastructure.

    Moon First.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  196. Moon First.
    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/5/2022 @ 2:39 pm

    Yes. Moon first.

    felipe (484255)

  197. @Kevin@194 I suspect that a lot of twitter moderation is/was automated.

    Nic (896fdf)

  198. I was also reading Heinlein during the Apollo missions, and I also dreamed of space travel. But it was not much later, that if offered the choice, I would have picked John McCain’s and not Neil Armstrong’s.

    nk (7978d5)

  199. Kevin, felipe, nk…

    I am one of “Heinlein’s Children,” I guess.

    I’m with you with Luna City (or Tycho Under), provided there is ice to crack. Looks like there is, and even some caverns we might be able seal up.

    https://earthsky.org/space/moon-caves-pits-comfy-63-degrees/

    We might not need Mars, if we schlep out to the asteroids, and then MAYBE to some of the icy Jovian moons.

    We may not have the will to do so. But someone will, if nothing else via Dyson style Project Orion.

    I was born too soon.

    “I should be in the Black, pushing c, instead of pulling 1G at the bottom of this dirty gravity well.”

    Thank you for those posts, in advance of what is sure to follow.

    Simon Jester (710d16)

  200. I expect that Joe Manchin is going to be announcing that he intends to retire from the Senate and spend more time with his family after 2024.

    JVW (15c733) — 11/5/2022 @ 2:07 pm

    Wouldn’t surprise me.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  201. Kevin, as far as turning poor old scarred Luna into a billboard, lots of people wanted to do so.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/14/magazine/14Ideas-Section2-C-t-009.html

    It even invaded cartoons:

    https://youtu.be/kOOl6xKRQ_4

    And popular culture, sort of:

    https://www.imao.us/docs/NukeTheMoon.htm

    But I concede your point. It’s just crowded, dirty, and mean spirited down her.

    Simon Jester (710d16)

  202. One of the “Big Four” advertising giants has reportedly recommended that its clients enact a “temporary pause” on spending on Twitter ads following Elon Musk’s takeover of the social media giant.

    Interpublic Group, or IPG, is the parent company of Universal McCann, with a roster of blue-chip clients that includes American Express, Coca-Cola, Johnson & Johnson, Spotify and others.

    MAGNA, IPG’s media intelligence arm, told clients in an email that Twitter “has been silent in any direct comms with marketers and agencies,” email newsletter Morning Brew’s Ryan Barwick reported.

    “The current situation is unpredictable and chaotic, and bad actors and unsafe behaviors thrive in such an environment,” the message reportedly added.

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/01/top-ad-firm-ipg-advises-clients-to-pause-twitter-ads-report/

    Tragic to see the woke mind virus has infected one of the world’s largest ad agencies.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  203. If the benefits of an internet sticker are really that important to the people, they shouldn’t have a problem paying for it. What Musk is doing isn’t any different than people who pay for premium features on LinkedIn or Ancestry, or streaming services to cut down on ads.

    The only reason they’re mad about it is because they think their side took an L in the culture war, to a man who’s expressed support for the same globalist voodoo ideas that Klaus Schwab has, no less.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:06 am

    I believe this has it backwards. The accounts I’ve seen tweeting about it aren’t protective of their blue check marks. On the contrary, they’re saying they could give a flip about them, so if Musk wants the credibility advertisers perceive in accounts being verified, he can get it on his one dime because they’re not going to pay for it. That’s why he dropped the price so quickly from $20 to $8 when Stephen King made essentially that point.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  204. On the contrary, they’re saying they could give a flip about them, so if Musk wants the credibility advertisers perceive in accounts being verified, he can get it on his one dime because they’re not going to pay for it.

    If they could give a flip about them, they wouldn’t be spazzing out about having to pay to keep their internet sticker. Having that little blue jpeg is a status marker for them, and they don’t like the idea of some prole being on equal footing with them.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  205. Tragic to see the woke mind virus has infected one of the world’s largest ad agencies.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6) — 11/5/2022 @ 3:30 pm

    They were amplifying the movement that was rioting through the summer of 2020, so that’s hardly a surprise.

    Like I pointed out about the professor who called Walker a “coon,” if your movement is sponsored by global megacorps, you’re not nearly as oppressed as you’re claiming to be. It also just reinforces the fact that this is about their curated hugbox being compromised, not for any real principle.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  206. @199.@200. Kev/felipe: Armstrong and associated aerospace experts presented and supported the ‘moon first’ plan before Congressional hearings long ago, well before Neil passed away. And it has been a mainstay of predicted progress outward by the likes of Arthur C. Clarke in writings over fifty years ago. Opponents battled for the ‘Mars Direct’ plan.

    Essentially ‘moon first’ – which I have long supported from inception- is the proper plan for perfecting cislunar operations, associated technologies to build toward a progression toward Mars- as the Gemini program did for perfecting methods and procedures for Apollo. The general rationale is to develop and perfect methods, procedures and hardware and ground support networks for proficient cislunar space operations- particularly w/a 3-4 day time frame to return home in case of problems- and add to the knowledge base w/lunar exploration techniques – given range of topography and harsh extremes of the lunar environment- that can be used when reaching Mars. Then once proficient, press on w/a Mars expedition.

    The GHWBush administration embraced this sketched out plan in 1989 but did not make any efforts to find funding– so it was shelved and the ISS- then in planning and which was part of the plan- barely survived in Congress. Dubya’s administration revisited the return to the moon then on to Mars proposals w/Constellation but like Pappy Bush, again ran into budgeting issues– resistance from the Mars First proponents and w/Obama’s famous “We’ve Been There’ speech at KSC cratered the return to the moon plans along w/t Ares LV and the agency was again redirected to Mars Direct proposals– and the Orion spacecraft was forced into a redesign to fly atop the SLS- the rocket they’re trying to launch again this month- which Congress directed NASA to develop [to protect jobs in key districts and make use of existing hardware.] All this back and forth lost many years of time and money over several administrations.

    Keep in mind that when JFK directed NASA to reach the moon by the end of the 1960s, Congress allocated funds to support the effort w/proper oversight and it was NASA that made the determinations and decisions on how to do it, not Congress. Congress did not tell NASA to ‘build the Saturn V’ as it did w/t SLS. In Apollo days, NASA administrator Tom Paine made the cogent point- you set a goal and then find the budget for it. Today, it’s the other way around; Congress allocates a budget and then asks NASA to tell them what they can accomplish within that range. So NASA presents proposals and Congress selects from the list. It has cost a great deal of time and money.

    Sure, Musk may get to Mars eventually- but not in the near term on his own and not w/o big government financing- which SpaceX has that w/t contract w/NASA for Starship HLS to ferry crews to the lunar surface as part of the Artemis program. But a solo, crewed Musk Mars project is a doubtful venture any time soon; particularly w/t serious, deadly radiation problem- it is a major hurdle for any long term flight and stay on the Red Planet.

    Someone will go some day- but by then it may be a moot and redundant effort given the number of rovers at work there so far and looming sample return missions in work– and the increasing efficiencies and miniaturization of technologies. It might be just as easy- and ultimately cheaper- to send a humanoid styled robot designed w/vision and sensatory systems with no need to carry an environmental control system or any sort of food supply other than battery/solar cell as an energy source to replenishment to endure the radiation issues and conduct the ‘exploration’ w/o physically risking biological life. And no need for a Mars outhouse.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  207. The best part about the Twitter drama is that if the people complaining about this follow through on what they’re threatening, they get to see a cultural institution they loved get hollowed out and left a lifeless husk for once, instead of the other way around, and all because their massive sense of entitlement and historic determinism. Talk about turnabout being fair play.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  208. @203. Simon: Messing w/t subtle orbits and resonances of asteroids and smaller planetary bodies is suspect– and really needs some lengthy, super-computer analysis before humans disturb them. Modifying the natural orbits of the bodies settled in place over eons may present significant long term problems- thousand if not millions of years ahead. Don’t really believe this has been well through in the immediate.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  209. DCSCA (6f3d97) — 11/5/2022 @ 3:59 pm

    The dreams that people had in the 50s and 60s that someday we’d have colonies on the Moon or Mars are and will be just that, short of some alien race providing the technology out of the goodness of their hearts. Those places simply will not support life, and to do so would require the creation of low-scale, self-sustaining biodomes that would require extraordinary vigilance and maintenance just to keep them operational, so any kind of shutdown in critical support systems (food, breatheable air, etc.) doesn’t result in a bunch of dead colonists.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  210. @202. nk: what’s emerging today is essentially what Arthur C. Clarke sketched out in his epilogue to the 1970 book, ‘First Men On The Moon.’ It was quite prescient on projecting how LEO ops versus BEO ops would develop.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  211. @214. Nah. A lunar colony is a certainty in the near future. Somebody- some nation or some firm, will go to stay. We’ve already managed to keep people alive on Luna for at least 3 day stays- and the men who went said the only thing that limited their stay was the amount of consumables on hand with them– and any pre-prep for a 2 week lunar night. What has slowed progress are the costs- not the technologies available to do it. If you told someone 150 years ago a trip to the moon was possible but we can’t find the $ for it- they’d tell you to find it. My late grandfather was born nearly a year before the Wrights first flew and marveled at how by the time he retired at 65 people had flown to the moon and walked on it in his lifetime. Someone will go- when the cost/benefit analysis fits a rationale for the venture.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  212. Moderation?

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  213. @Kevin@194 I suspect that a lot of twitter moderation is/was automated.

    Sure. Basic nanny filter stuff. But a lot of more complicated moderation fell one way. You could post that W personally ordered the planes into the WTC, but you could not say that Covid came from a lab.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  214. Musk ought to make EVERY account a blue check. Identify yourself or eff off. It’s the only way to make a dent in the bots. If people don’t want to pay per account, let them pay per tweet. Ten cents sounds about right. Not worth 10 cents? Maybe you shouldn’t say it then.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  215. @212: Small perturbations won’t matter much. And good luck trying to figure things out exactly. THREE bodies are hard. A jillion? HAH! It’s not like we’re talking about moving Ceres. Moving a small rock won’t make much difference, even on nearby small rocks. Space is REALLY big.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  216. @213:

    This is categorically wrong. Amazingly, stupendously, unbelievably wrong.

    Unless of course government is doing it.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  217. @219. There’s no certainty on ‘enough’ and given the primitive era we’re in it certainly is not a risk worth taking. Yes, space is really big… but not big enough; ask a dinosaur.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  218. That’s why he dropped the price so quickly from $20 to $8 when Stephen King made essentially that point.

    I think this is simply replacing “wh ore” with “narcissist” in the old “we have already established what your are, now we are haggling over the price joke.
    King is a dingdong. His twitter is his tiny step out of his nutball shell. He needs it more than Elon.
    I guess we will see what happens when the $8 comes due.

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  219. I repaired a couple of words and bypassed moderation.

    BuDuh (80ef74)

  220. @219: This is innumerate and silly. Orbits that have stood for a billion years don’t just up and change because someone move a marble a million miles away. One of the reasons I’m sanguine about Earth-crossing asteroids. Anything that would have hit has already hit.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  221. @220. Unless of course government is doing it.

    Actually, the government has done it- albeit for 3 day stays. And, of course, they’ve kept humans on orbit now for 20 years aboard the ISS, which I argued w/Lori Garver should have been anchored firmly to the floor of the Sea of Tranquility, 240,000 miles away, not circling the 280 miles up, going in circles, no place, fast.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  222. @224. Except it’s not. And certainly not a priority to meddle with in this era.

    ‘Anything that would have hit has already hit,’ said the brontosaurus to the T-Rex. 😉

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  223. 66 million years ago. I’m far more worried about Yellowstone.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  224. @227. Now that is a wise concern. The place is wired like a patient in an ICU. And the computer projects of what could occur if/when it blows are not pleasant scenarios.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  225. Trump rally in Latrobe, PA – home of Arnold Palmer and Rolling Rock beer.

    He all but said he’s running tonight. Meanwhile:

    Biden calls protesters ‘idiots’ during speech in Illinois

    President Biden referred to a group of protesters as “idiots” while stumping for Democratic candidates in Illinois on Saturday. The president delivered remarks at rally in Joliet, where he touted Democratic legislation to cap prescription drug prices and issued a scathing attack on Republicans, whom he has repeatedly accused of plotting to put Social Security and Medicare “on the chopping block.” Election forecasters are increasingly favoring the GOP to retake the House of Representatives. The Cook Political Report this week moved seats in California’s 9th, 47th and 26th Congressional Districts toward the Republican column, as well as Illinois’ 6th and 14th Congressional Districts, and New Jersey’s 3rd Congressional District.

    Fox News’ Power Rankings project Republicans to win at least a 19-seat majority in the House and list four Senate races in Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia and Nevada as “toss-ups” that will determine control of that chamber. – FoxNews.com

    Not ‘Deplorables’… but ‘idiots,’ Joey?

    Takes one to know one: IDIOT.

    DCSCA (6f3d97)

  226. White House: President Biden ‘regrets’ comments about shutting down coal plants.

    https://twitter.com/lucasfoxnews/status/1588956460515753984?s=46&t=iRxgOb5bkYqDF31kQ-BkKw

    Obudman (a1c23a)

  227. @Kevin@217 It’s a bit more complicated Article on Twitter bias study from MIT (study attached)

    Nic (896fdf)

  228. I think this is simply replacing “w[][]re” with “narcissist” in the old “we have already established what your are, now we are haggling over the price joke.

    Who pays whom in both instances?

    nk (bf7ef2)

  229. Extraordinary statement by MSNBC host to NY’s Hochul:

    “Here’s the problem: We don’t feel safe…I walk into my pharmacy, and everything is on lockdown because of shoplifters. I’m not going in the subway. People don’t feel safe in this town…..Right now, we’re not feeling good, we’re worried we could be San Francisco.”

    https://twitter.com/rncresearch/status/1588891259053252609?s=46&t=iRxgOb5bkYqDF31kQ-BkKw

    How crazy is it that even some liberal apologists are realizing how crazy the Dems are and yet just two years ago some conservatives were advocating for this party to lead us?

    Obudman (a1c23a)

  230. The most persuasive argument for exploring more of space and building to colonization of mars is that it’s an extraordinary catalyst for technology innovation. Of course there are a fair amount of terrestrial problems that could use a Manhattan-project-scale infusion of investment. Certainly there’s overlap, like energy storage and new fuels, though the requirements are really different. Terraforming is the long-term hope, but how long exactly….thousands of years, millions? Bio-domes in the interim where a lot would have to go right for long-term survival. It’s like antartica but without air or great options for food. Is it living or just existing?

    And with Mars, we’re facing radiation, extreme cold, toxic soil, low gravity, and a difficulty in getting water, if it’s even there. We don’t even know the long-term effects of putting humans there…not just physically, but psychologically. If we wrap in the poor conditions for generating wind, solar, and nuclear via in situ Martian resources, the question becomes are there better problems to tackle? Our imaginations love space. To boldly go and all that. The struggle to stave off extinction. Building international cooperation. Finding out what else…who else….might be out there. But there’s so much that would need to be done….down to the littlest details like insects and managing run-away novel bio-dome viruses.

    If anything, I see the first “colonists” being robots. Robots to largely lay out the infrastructure and, most importantly, establish a reliable means to grow food. The question though becomes are we THAT forward thinking and willing to sacrifice…for…at best….a long-term maybe? Our collective attitudes about climate change, managing finite resources like coal and oil, and not letting differences divide us makes me skeptical. Yes, Yellowstone can blow, an asteroid can hit, a super-virus can get unleashed, or a madman could initiate nuclear Armageddon, I’m still not sure all that implies Mars…or even Alpha Centauri.

    AJ_Liberty (15d88c)

  231. @234. And with Mars, we’re facing radiation, extreme cold, toxic soil, low gravity, and a difficulty in getting water, if it’s even there.

    Water is there. Confirmed seven years ago, AJ:

    September 28, 2015: NASA Confirms Evidence That Liquid Water Flows on Today’s Mars

    https://www.nasa.gov/press-release/nasa-confirms-evidence-that-liquid-water-flows-on-today-s-mars

    There are clearly problems and challenges to overcome if an expedition is seent– but they can be managed:

    Is Mars habitable? With the right technologies, yes

    https://www.planetary.org/articles/20170921-mars-isru-tech#:~:text=Long-term%20habitation%20on%20Mars%20will%20require%20us%20to,the%20solar%20system%2C%20other%20than%20the%20Earth%20itself.

    The issue in decades to come may ultimately become one of cost/benefit in this era; whether it is worth the expense of sending humans- especially as micro-technologies keep improving and robotic developments improve in sophistication. Especially w/sample return missions in work. But a ‘cyborg’ style robot– human-like in design, w/o a need for an environmental control system, consumables or other biological necessities – and capable of autonomous movement and independent decision making w/control from Earth could do the job w/o risk to life– and that may not seem like so much science fiction as it sounds. Example:

    Six Life-Like Robots That Prove The Future of Human Evolution is Synthetic
    They have skin. They have eyes. But they are not made of flesh and bone.

    https://futurism.com/the-most-life-life-robots-ever-created

    DCSCA (3c1291)

  232. Astros win World Series!

    A really good series of ball games. Too bad it didn’t go seven games into Sunday– anything to distract from all the political crap.

    DCSCA (3c1291)

  233. “Musk ought to make EVERY account a blue check. Identify yourself or eff off. It’s the only way to make a dent in the bots. If people don’t want to pay per account, let them pay per tweet. Ten cents sounds about right. Not worth 10 cents? Maybe you shouldn’t say it then.”

    Kevin, you’ve argued in the past that Twitter is a “town square”. How to you mesh that view with requiring pay for access?

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  234. Kevin, you’ve argued in the past that Twitter is a “town square”. How to you mesh that view with requiring pay for access?

    Davethulhu (19f7f6) — 11/5/2022 @ 8:43 pm

    Taxes are the price we pay for civilization.

    Factory Working Orphan (bce27d)

  235. Kevin, you’ve argued in the past that Twitter is a “town square”. How to you mesh that view with requiring pay for access?

    Davethulhu (19f7f6) — 11/5/2022 @ 8:43 pm

    Why do socialists want everything free

    EPWJ (650a62)

  236. Kevin, you’ve argued in the past that Twitter is a “town square”. How to you mesh that view with requiring pay for access?

    I think that Twitter could be a great “town square” but only if it’s not filled with drunk hooligans. I don’t so much need there to be a large fee as I need there to be some control over who shows up. At the very least a known identity (if only known to Twitter), and the easiest way to do that is with a fee payment.

    Now it is said that advertisers want the thing tamed down so that no one is offended by anything. Eff that. Rather do without advertisers, and to do that you need a fee structure. I accept that this could limit participation to the bourgeoisie, but there must be some way around that. Then again, you can’t be absolutely indigent and have a lot of easy net access.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  237. That doesn’t mean no controls, of course. But I don’t want to see broad subject censorship or paternalistic “misinformation” monitors. Sure, there are certain words and behaviors that need to be dealt with, but if I want to claim that flying saucers are real, why shouldn’t I be able to do that without some corrective banner?

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  238. The internet isn’t free. Nor is the device you hook up to it.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  239. Youtube, which is in the same business as Twitter (selling eyeballs to advertisers) allows me to watch videos all day long, for free, so long as I put up with some ads. They also pay content creators a portion of that ad revenue.

    In 2021, Twitter made around $5 billion from ads, which was pretty much is sole source of income. They reported a net loss of $221 million. Interest on debt was $51 million. That number is going to jump to $1 billion due to new debt associated with the acquisition. Let’s say he mitigates that by cutting payroll (also around $1 billion I think) in half. In order to stay right were they are now they’ll need to make $5.5 billion. There are about 400,000 verified users. To make up the difference, each would have to pay $1250 per year. In order to run twitter without ads, they’d have to pay $13,750 per year. Alternatively, he could get about 57 million people to pay $8 per month. If they keep the ads, they need to sell 5.2 million $8 subscriptions.

    Davethulhu (19f7f6)

  240. Astros win the World Series.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  241. Astros SS Jeremy Peña is the first rookie position player to be named World Series MVP.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  242. ‘thulhu,

    One, there may be 400,000 verified users, but there are millions of unverified users, bots, Russian trolls, etc. A Twitter that was only verified users would have more than 400,000 such. A Twitter than charged by the tweet would have other forms of income.

    By your own figures, that $5 billion in ad revenue went somewhere. If it’s mostly not salaries, what is it?

    Musk desires a Twitter that doesn’t have advertisers (or governments) controlling content. Maybe some advertisers aren’t such shrinking violets, and maybe a lighter hand on the controls would be good enough. But the real problem with Twitter is the depth of the troll-bench, and that is what needs to change. The old methods didn’t work.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  243. “By your own figures, that $5 billion in ad revenue went somewhere. If it’s mostly not salaries, what is it?”

    I think mostly salaries – didnt the CFO and chief lawyer get 200+ million dollar golden parachutes?

    EPWJ (650a62)

  244. This New Yrok Times Sunday Business article also mentions also the more venerable Iowa Electronic Markets
    ts

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/business/election-prediction-markets-midterms.html

    https://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/

    So far the markets are small and not distorted by pweople who hope to influence the results.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  245. Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/5/2022 @ 10:15 pm

    The internet isn’t free. Nor is the device you hook up to it.

    It depends where you go. There’s the public library, and there’s acess a person may have for other reasons.

    Food can be free, too.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  246. AJ_Liberty (15d88c) — 11/5/2022 @ 6:53 pm

    The most persuasive argument for exploring more of space and building to colonization of mars is that it’s an extraordinary catalyst for technology innovation.

    That could be an argument for decarbonization or electric cars, also, provided you don”’t rush to hand out contracts. It could be an argument for building pyramids.

    Thiis was an old argument for the spce program but nobody applies it anywhere else.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  247. Sammy, did you read the rest of my comment or did you fall exhausted after the first line? I think my ultimate point was that we shouldn’t let the romanticization of space keep us from addressing more pressing and practical issues here on earth.

    AJ_Liberty (15d88c)

  248. It depends where you go. There’s the public library, and there’s acess a person may have for other reasons.

    Sure, and schools. But they ARE paid for, and access is limited.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  249. JVW @ 195

    Joe Biden must believe that Democrats are going to receive a thrashing on Tuesday.

    Not necessarily.

    The Democrats (and maybe Republicans) get worried if their candidate in an otherwise solid Dem elections risks coming in at under 55%, which would mean it would be considered a tossup in the next election and there could be another tough fight.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  250. I didn’t really read the rest of it which seemrd to be irrelevant. I guess the same with the other comment where your point was that Joe ||Biden was acting contrary to what he should do because of the upcoming thrashing.

    They get worried about going from a landslide to 55%

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  251. This was an old argument for the space program but nobody applies it anywhere else.

    It is not necessary for government to spend money on advancing electric cars, and there are good arguments that government is not the best source of these funds. There is a clear private ROI and a business case to do it.

    Up until recently, though, it was not economically possible for private funding of space activity — the ROI was far too distant. In the past, other exploratory ventures only worked with state funding, such as the Lewis & Clark expedition — there was no way to return money to investors for that in 1804.

    Sure, Apollo and such returned technology, but that was mostly serendipitous. A few things could be seen in advance, such as hand-held calculators, but it is unclear if the extensive R&D required to make the HP-65 would have been forthcoming that decade without the NASA money.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  252. Nic:

    I suspect that a lot of twitter moderation is/was automated.

    Done in resposns to complaints using the right keywords, kept secret to avoid manipulation but manipulated anyway because they became known to activists on the left.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  253. Somewhat off-topic:

    Assuming the Dems get thrashed on Tuesday, there is going to be some heavily-armed postmortems. Biden’s ineffectiveness and/or senility is going to come to the fore. I expect his resignation, for health reasons, in late January. My only questions is how they go forward.

    The Democrats need to coalesce around some direction, something Biden has been unable to do — his presidency is characterized by sop-throwing to each internal faction with very little cohesion or control. VP Harris does not seem to be an improvement on this as “cohesion and control” are not her watchwords. If she becomes president I don’t see her doing anything except being a symbol of FIRST!

    So, who then do they pick as VP? If they want to avoid anointing a successor, there is only one choice. Hillary. She’s tanned, rested and ready. Let her figure out how to get rid of Harris.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  254. 93. Biden was a professor, just not an ordinary one He had the title. This is noot a blatant lie, like claiming to have fired a prosecutor in Ukraine or gotten arrested in South Africa in 1977 because he wanted to visit Nelson Mandela in prison.\

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  255. According to an article linked here, Dems are getting ready to blame New York City mayor |Eric Adams for a Hochul loss because they say he gave credence to the crime issue (which can’t be serious in their eyes because crime is still lower than it was 10 years ago or so.

    The other day an article appeared in the NYT:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/04/nyregion/new-york-subway-safety.html

    A New York Times analysis of M.T.A. and police statistics shows that the possibility of falling victim to violent crime in the subway remains remote, even as the rate of violent crimes — murder, rape, felony assault and robbery — per subway ride has more than doubled since 2019, before the pandemic’s disruption.

    Put into perspective, the current rate of 1.2 violent crimes for every one million rides is roughly equal to the chance of getting injured in a crash if one drives a car two miles.

    Of course what everybody notices is the trend, and the human mind cannot tolerate a risk greater than zero. If it is low it is treated as zero.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  256. According t NYPost column a week ago, when Predict-it gives a probability of 63% it is 63%

    But probably below 63% the odds are lower and above 63% the odds are higher.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  257. 256. Maybe even chosen as keywords in the first place by insiders trying to bias Twitter moe=deration.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  258. @203. Simon: Messing w/t subtle orbits and resonances of asteroids and smaller planetary bodies is suspect– and really needs some lengthy, super-computer analysis before humans disturb them.

    I may be wrong (big surprise!), but is this not the way California goes about things (you know what I mean!) when demanding onerous studies for new projects?

    Modifying the natural orbits of the bodies settled in place over eons may present significant long term problems- thousand if not millions of years ahead. Don’t really believe this has been well through in the immediate.
    DCSCA (6f3d97) — 11/5/2022 @ 4:05 pm

    Rivers and damns come to mind, so yes, I’m with you there. “Measure twice -cut once.” Hey, doesn’t this support the “onerous studies?”

    felipe (484255)

  259. Anything that would have hit has already hit.
    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/5/2022 @ 5:11 pm

    I don’t know Kevin, didn’t someone already say “Everything that can be invented, has been invented!”?

    felipe (484255)

  260. If people don’t want to pay per account, let them pay per tweet. Ten cents sounds about right. Not worth 10 cents? Maybe you shouldn’t say it then.

    To get people to pay you must first offer it free.

    Say for 180 days or 120 tweets (counting only those above 3 a day

    And then 2 cents a tweets till $10 is reached.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  261. Books can be gotten for $ on eBay and other places. It seems now the lowest price for clearance at the Strand in \new York is $3 with more at $5 It used to be $1 – later $1.50 with some small paperbacks at 48 cents or 5 for $2.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  262. I don’t know Kevin, didn’t someone already say “Everything that can be invented, has been invented!”?

    Asteroids aren’t particularly creative.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  263. Someone said asteroids might be more common than you think

    https://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/14/science/14WAVE.html

    \The exact date is only possible because they throw in a solar elipe — ad then they are wrong because astrommers use a year zero but historians do not and they failed to account for, I think, the difference between the Julian calendar and a more accurate calendar.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  264. This also assumes that the second month was Iyar.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  265. Books can be gotten for $ on eBay and other places

    e-books can be had for free if you know where to look, such as certain newsgroups.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  266. https://www.techdirt.com/2022/04/18/fascinating-new-study-suggests-again-that-twitter-moderation-is-biased-against-misinformation-not-conservatives

    Yes, Twitter had a policy against hacked documents so people who tried to suppress the Hunter Biden story made complaints that the material was hacked.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  267. You can;t get a particular book for less than $4, though. (including shipping)

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  268. The Democrats are crazy indeed not to believe that the criminal justice system has any effect on the number of crimes (except for the possible disabling effects iof incarceration)

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  269. Factory Working Orphan (bce27d) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:15 pm
    EPWJ (650a62) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:57 pm

    Nice rejoinders. Good comments by everyone today -especially Davethulhu whose comment was inspired. What a great pleasure to be here.

    felipe (484255)

  270. Asteroids aren’t particularly creative.
    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/6/2022 @ 8:19 am

    I see what you did there…

    felipe (484255)

  271. When I grow up, I hope to be as honest as Sammy.

    felipe (484255)

  272. It is wonderful to read so many comments from Simon. It’s like Summer rain.

    felipe (484255)

  273. It is wonderful to read so many comments from Simon. It’s like Summer rain.

    Agreed. And your contributions are also always highly valued here, felipe.

    JVW (15c733)

  274. Oh dear, Stacey Abrams is already blaming black men for her upcoming loss:

    Stacey Abrams explaining her poll numbers: "Unfortunately, this year, black men have been a very targeted population for misinformation. Not misinformation about what they want but about why they want what they deserve." pic.twitter.com/HhPxK0vVgj— Zaid Jilani (@ZaidJilani) November 6, 2022

    So even she thinks that they make a good scapegoat? She really is just perfectly awful at this.

    JVW (15c733)

  275. That’s very kind of you both to write. I have a lot of unpleasant things happening at work, so I have little energy for things that make me irritable. Your posts never do, and are very much appreciated.

    The key is to disagree without being a jackwagon. I am not always good at it. But trying is what matters.

    I appreciate what Patterico has tried to create here, and the folks who do their best to keep it going.

    I do miss some folks, though. Beldar, JD, Machinist, etc.

    Simon Jester (710d16)

  276. 93. Biden was a professor, just not an ordinary one He had the title. This is noot a blatant lie. . .

    I don’t know, Sammy. It’s like receiving an honorary doctorate and then referring to yourself as “Dr.” for the rest of your life. It’s true that Biden carried the title of professor, but even he knows that the title was just an honorific, and to describe himself as such, as if he were teaching and researching at Penn, is one of his usual ways of inflating himself through his ongoing bunkum and hokum.

    JVW (15c733)

  277. Youtube, which is in the same business as Twitter (selling eyeballs to advertisers) allows me to watch videos all day long, for free, so long as I put up with some ads. They also pay content creators a portion of that ad revenue.

    So long as you have a gadget you paid for to watch them on– and a service provider/wifi you pay for to access it– and the browser folks are gathering data on what you watch and how frequent– so ‘free’ isn’t truly free — as with, say the public library- and you still have to get a library card and your tax base supports that as well.

    DCSCA (9ede49)

  278. Kevin: “So, who then do they pick as VP? If they want to avoid anointing a successor, there is only one choice. Hillary. She’s tanned, rested and ready. Let her figure out how to get rid of Harris”

    Biden’s team knows he can’t run for a second term. The only questions will be when he announces and if he makes it to the end of this term. I agree that the field is thin of charisma and accomplishment. Harris is a train wreck that is difficult to imagine leading a ticket. Newsom is positioning but he’ll be a hard sell to middle America, who can only look at California and shake their collective heads. Two from Virginia that might do better there are Warner or Kaine, but then the DEMs lose a Senate seat….and it’s not clear Warner wants it.

    Hillary will be 77 in 2024 and she’s no more energetic or likable than she was in 2016. She has her die-hard supporters, but talk about past the expiration date….and what message does it say after sleepy Joe? The DEMs have played themselves into a corner with trans this trans that, CRT mischief, and being the last in line for stoking inflation with handouts. No one is jumping out as being that sensible Democrat that also gets the base fired up. Now if only the GOP can take advantage of the vacuum.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  279. And you have to wash occasionally to get into some libraries.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  280. AJ, I was suggesting Hillary in ’23, after a few resignations.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  281. It’s really not; ‘spinoff’ was the PR pitch w/respect to space in the 70s as the aerospace industries layoffs hit post Apollo. [Not unlike advances made during war efforts.] Marketable, freeze-dried ice cream wasn’t a motivator. But weather and certainly communications satellites [our neighbor in ’62 was a BellLabs guy who worked on Telstar] and into the ’70s, geo sats and such, were a benefit to be sure– and the secret programs – the spysat crowd- produced a great deal of ‘spinoff’ as well; Hubble components were derived from that research. The civilian space efforts were a political move and w/Apollo, an engineering enterprise- not science driven. As the level of science increased w/lunar flights, public interest waned in direct proportion. Medical advances aside, the byproducts generated and industries spawned by the engineering developments are undeniable. Particularly w/IC use and development. The specs for the Apollo guidance computer required a component given about a square foot in area to fill in the command module. So the challenge in the 1960s was to fit basic elements of a room sized computer into that space- and the engineers went w/IC elements over the tubes/transistors designs etc., and invented a basic computer that worked, w/an interface for astronauts to talk to it- the ‘noun/verb’ concept to access programs and which eventually evolved into the mouse. My personal favorite remains the evolution of the small, compact, lightweight, high speed electric motor used in the Apollo life support backpacks- to operate fans and pumps. A simple but essential element. They evolved into the small, light, high speed and inexpensive electric motors used to spin the video head drums in home VCRs which made them increasingly affordable long after Apollo ended.

    DCSCA (9ede49)

  282. I get it, but I have a hard time seeing Biden resigning. Maybe dying….just don’t have him on a death watch…yet. Can Hillary be the filler in that case? Harris would need someone with some gravitas. The question would be does that someone have to be a 2024 hopeful or someone with no interest? John Kerry has elder statesman about him, but at 78 it’s more elder than statesman. It’s got to be someone with actual executive experience…..which means a current or past governor. If people are looking for buzz and giving it to MAGA, then maybe Hillary makes sense. A Harris-Hillary White House would be a boon to punditry…but I’m gonna hope better for the country.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  283. ^@250. An earlier comment, essentially the same, was moderated – likely due to the lettering of some of the abbreviations off the components. Sorry ’bout that.

    DCSCA (9ede49)

  284. I get it, but I have a hard time seeing Biden resigning.

    Biden won’t resign- he’ll either be told by the powers that be in the D party to concede he will not run again- or he will be primaried by reality. LBJ learned the hard way when McCarthy nearly upset him in NH in ’68. So the ‘I will not seek nor will I accept, the nomination of my party for another term as your president’ speech was made– and may similarly be made by Joe, if common sense prevails. He turns 80- and begins his 81st year on Earth- in just 14 days.

    DCSCA (9ede49)

  285. Hillary will be 77 in 2024 and she’s no more energetic or likable than she was in 2016.

    But remember, she won the popular vote over Trump, and remains much more cognitively articulate than what Joe displays- and clearly much more qualified for the gig than Kamala. She’s been running toward the POTUS gig since 1969- and this would be her last shot; first woman POTUS, glass ceiling and all that. Still believe her best ‘in’ is as the insurance policy as VP w/Joe- if he runs again. Already vetted, no primaries, no fundraisers, no heavy campaigning- just ride the coattails in. And she can step into the Oval if he croaks in office. The powers that be can orchestrate somethiung a la Eagleton at the convention — moving Kamala “up” to a gig ‘in the front office’ – ambassador to XYZ or some other prestigious spot. [Golly, howzabout NASA administrator? LOL] But she is expendable baggage now.

    DCSCA (9ede49)

  286. Tell me again that Trump is not out to destroy the Republican Party. Determined that if he cannot have it, no other Republican will either.

    Trump derides Gov.DeSantis as ‘Ron De-sanctimonious’

    Trump’s first public derogatory nickname for DeSantis came just three days before Tuesday’s Florida election in which the governor faces Democrat Charlie Crist. Most polls suggest DeSantis has a comfortable lead in the race. (emphasis added)

    It happened during a rally in Pennsylvania, where Trump was stumping for Republican U.S. Senate candidate Mehmet Oz.

    I put it to you, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, that Tiny Donnie is a person of questionable masculinity and unsanitary sexual practices [or what Alex Baldwin called the paparazzi]. Don’t go be complaining about NeverTrump, Democrats, and rigged elections. You have met the enemy, and he is an orange Fifth Avenue fancy boy whom Roy Cohn picked up in a bar.

    nk (56f678)

  287. nk,

    If DeSantis can’t take a tiny little slap from an old man, then he should resign immediately, find a warm safe space, surround himself with comfort dogs and clutch his blanky while sucking his thumb.

    Guy wants to be president – face Putin and China – yet tends to whine a bunch

    EPWJ (650a62)

  288. On the lighter side, just because I don’t like Elon Musk doesn’t mean he doesn’t know how to be the world’s richest person.

    Twitter in tres partes diviso est:
    — A bucket shop for the Wall Street managers that make their money by churning its stock. (It does not pay dividends.)
    — Six and seven figure workfare for IT executives.
    — Solid infrastructure and goodwill (as in customers for whatever product it provides).

    By taking it private, Musk got rid of the first thing, and is in the process of taking care of the second. If he can maintain the infrastructure, and preserve and expand the goodwill, he might do very well.

    On the $7.99 checkmark, he might have done better to have grandfathered the existing ones, and only charged the fee for new ones. But I guess if he ever had a checking account that went from no-fee to fee, he didn’t notice or didn’t care.

    nk (56f678)

  289. nk, I love it when Trump points out the flaws in others. Such refreshing irony.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  290. nk,

    I suspect Musk spends millions on “bank” fees, and doesn’t care. Just keeping track of it all would require a decent-sized office.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  291. Musk could do a tiered fee structured set-up; like a cable system; pay for access to various levels for discourse. Or bust it up into smaller topic specific platforms and the ones most profitable survive. He’ll consider business models to make it profitable. Give him time. SpaceX and Tesla took time; [ At one point, SpaceX was one launch away from closing down back in the day.] Shedding deadwood from previous management at Twitter is SOP.

    DCSCA (ade71d)

  292. Another thing would be to allow “Twitter Blue” subscribers to close posting on their feeds to non-Blue members. This might be welcome to keep out the hoi palloi, and might encourage people to subscribe.

    btw, I’m reacquainting myself with Twitter. It’s been a while.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  293. Hillary only won the popular vote because she won bigger margins in blue states. The popular vote is an interesting detail but elections aren’t run to maximize it….in fact winning a state narrowly probably means you spent just the right amount there. Decisively winning California or New York doesn’t score you any more electoral votes…in fact it might mean losing other states like Wisconsin narrowly, as happened.

    Compared to her husband Bill, Hillary just doesn’t have that gift of connection. She just never had that “aw shucks” charm….and she comes across as more ideologically rigid than Bill.

    She’s old….when old is the current problem. If she runs against Trump, it won’t bring out her best. I’m not saying it won’t happen….the field is sparse….but she’s a shrieker. Her negatives are too high and she supercharges the GOP base.

    AJ_Liberty (5f05c3)

  294. If you want free books Project Gutenberg is a good place to look. Mostly, they have classics from a century or more ago.

    You can read them on line, or download them.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  295. If DeSantis can’t take a tiny little slap from an old man, then he should resign immediately, find a warm safe space, surround himself with comfort dogs and clutch his blanky while sucking his thumb.

    To my knowledge, DeSantis hasn’t said a word about Trump’s little barb. It’s those of us who don’t want Donald Trump anywhere near the GOP nomination two years from now who are pointing out what a small-minded petulant little asshole the former President is being.

    JVW (15c733)

  296. She’s old….when old is the current problem. If she runs against Trump, it won’t bring out her best.

    I know that people inside of the media/academic/entertainment/bureaucratic Democrat bubble can’t see this, but if the Democrats were to put forth Hillary Clinton in 2024 it would be an open acknowledgement that they have zero legitimate non-Baby Boomer leadership figures within that party. Outside of the bubble, it seems like it would be seen as a major embarrassment for the party. Better that they go with Michelle Obama (which, I believe, is fantastically unlikely) than to try a re-tread like Hillary.

    JVW (15c733)

  297. JVW,

    i hear you. Its Trumps presidency if he wants it. He never got the administration appointed he nominated in his 1st term This time he will. A whole raft of governors and AGs are coming who will stop much of the nonsense.

    EPWJ (650a62)

  298. I apologize to all the other commenters, and to Patterico for wasting his bandwidth.
    nk (792eed) — 11/5/2022 @ 9:56 am

    Wow! To what syzygy is this rarity due?

    felipe (484255)

  299. 299. Project Gutenberg is free book files, not free books.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  300. I didn’t think Trump could get any more narcissistic. I was wrong.

    He appears in Pennsylvania, ostensibly to support Oz and Mastriano, and uses the occasion to fire the opening shot in an internecine war, targeting Ron DeSantis, a conservative Republican, and one of the best governors in the country.

    “You see, cult members, Ron would be bad, BAD for America. Only I, I am good for America.”

    Disgusting.

    norcal (a1f318)

  301. Twenty five years ago Musk had an idea for an all purpose platform, which he called X. It eventually mergeed into PayPal but fir many years you could quickly get PayPal by typing x + (Ctrl-Enter)

    A few years ago, Musk bought the x.com domain

    Right noe, that gets you nothing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X.com

    .com was an online bank co-founded by Elon Musk, Harris Fricker, Christopher Payne, and Ed Ho in 1999 in Palo Alto, California. In 2000, X.com merged with competitor Confinity Inc., a software company also based in Palo Alto. Musk was attracted to Confinity because of its easy payment system. The merged company changed its name to PayPal. eBay bought PayPal for US$1.5 billion in 2002. In 2015, PayPal was spun off and became an independent company.,,,

    ….On July 5, 2017, Musk repurchased the domain name X.com from PayPal.[19][20] He explained later that he bought the website because “it has great sentimental value”.[21]

    On July 14, 2017, X.com was launched again, consisting of a blank white page with one “x” in the top left corner,[22] and a custom error page displaying a “y”.[23][24] The site displays this way due to having nothing in its source code except the single letter “x”. In December 2017, X.com redirected visitors to The Boring Company’s website, which Musk also owns. This was done in order to advertise a hat sale.[24]

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  302. You will be able to tell that Lee Zeldin will win the contest for Governor of New York if he and his people stop making their upper level optimistic prediction that he will win by 1% or 2%

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  303. Ronna McDaniel says RNC ‘cannot pay legal bills’ for Donald Trump if he announces a 2024 bid

    This is old news,

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  304. \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\best guesses for United States \senate:

    Penn. Oz (Rep)

    Ohio (Vance (Rep)

    Nevada – Laxalt (Rep) a flip

    Arizona Kelly (Dem)

    georgia – runoff in December. \\Senate otherwise 48 D 51 R

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  305. @306. He just wrapped up a fun rally in Florida. So much energy…

    “Where’s Nancy?” 😉

    DCSCA (1411cc)

  306. The New York Times ran an article attribbuuting Hochul”s trouble to independent spending by Ron Lauder

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/06/nyregion/ronald-lauder-zeldin-governor.html

    Mr. Lauder has long been a gale-force disrupter, throwing millions of dollars behind conservative causes and candidates, including creating term limits in New York City and even his own failed mayoral campaign….Millions of dollars more, some of it not previously reported, have gone to successful legal and public relations campaigns to stop Democrats from gerrymandering the state’s congressional districts.

    But he did nothing about the State Senate or the Assembly. The State Senatee will lose its supermajority.

    The Assembly needs to be independently reapportioned before the 2024 election so that may scare them inot changing the criminal justice lws.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  307. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/11/05/us/politics/pelosi-attack-misinfo-republican-politicians.html

    ….Former President Donald J. Trump questioned whether the attack might have been staged.

    The world’s richest man helped amplify the stories. But none of it was true.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  308. EPWJ (650a62) — 11/6/2022 @ 2:05 pm

    {Trump] never got the administration appointed he nominated in his 1st term This time he will. A whole raft of governors and AGs are coming who will stop much of the nonsense.

    \\\\\\if he didn’t get what he wanted that’s because \Senatee cofirmation was needed for many positions and that affected even positions for which it wass not needed.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  309. Off-topic, somewhat: Does anyone believe inflation is 8%? Groceries are up much more than that.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  310. The Assembly needs to be independently reapportioned before the 2024 election so that may scare them inot changing the criminal justice lws.

    The only fair reapportionment I’ve ever seen was done by judges. Every “independent” commission is either stacked or gamed, or filled with such nitwits that they accept whatever they are told.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  311. Off-topic, somewhat: Does anyone believe inflation is 8%? Groceries are up much more than that.

    Ralph’s Frozen Lasagna was $9.99/pan in August. Today: $14.99. Ralph’s spaghetti was .99/box in August; today, $1.39. Lettuce: $1.99/head. Was $1 in July. Coffee. $5.99/can- now $8.99/can.

    That’s jussssssst a tad higher than 8%. Ain’t it.

    DCSCA (1411cc)

  312. Eggs were $1.39/dozen, now $3.39
    Butter was $4-something, now $6-something.
    Even the new iPad is $449, up from $329 last year.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  313. Thank you, JVW!

    Re: inflation %

    The number always excludes Food and Fuel. Gas and groceries are considered too volatile. Funny that.

    felipe (484255)

  314. Kevin,

    If we used the same metrics we used under Carter, inflation would be recognized at 18%.

    NJRob (ba8f28)

  315. Wow! To what syzygy is this rarity due?

    I was wrong on my facts. I accepted as true the allegation that Musk would need to be compelled to pay out the two months’ compensation in lieu of notice, when he is in fact promising three months’ in the layoff notices. I bought into Democrat spin.

    nk (263cb4)

  316. ‘Tell me again that Trump is not out to destroy the Republican Party. Determined that if he cannot have it, no other Republican will either. ‘Trump derides Gov.DeSantis as ‘Ron De-sanctimonious’…’

    Hmmm. Seem to recall <Lyin' Ted and Little Marco at odds w/The Donald. Today Little Marco was on stage bets buddies w/The Donald in Florida– so far up Trump's butt along with Cruz, both 'senators' are looking and talking out of Trump's nostrils.

    _________

    I know that people inside of the media/academic/entertainment/bureaucratic Democrat bubble can’t see this, but if the Democrats were to put forth Hillary Clinton in 2024 it would be an open acknowledgement that they have zero legitimate non-Baby Boomer leadership figures within that party. Outside of the bubble, it seems like it would be seen as a major embarrassment for the party. Better that they go with Michelle Obama (which, I believe, is fantastically unlikely) than to try a re-tread like Hillary.

    JVW- Hillary’s ambitious; has had the POTUS bug for half a century. I can see HRC taking the VP slot knowing an 82 year old Joe would have one foot in the grave by a 2024 run– then just walking into the Oval w/minimal hassle when he cashes in his chips. A Biden/Clinton ticket would be a tough battle for a Trump/Haley, a Trump/Pompeo or a Trump/DeSantis ticket. Both Joey and Hillary beat Trump in popular vote counts- albeit the EC tally loss by HRC. So there is a pool of voters who’d consider them. ‘Course the state of the world- domestic and foreign- has changed over the past decade. But Kamala offers nothing now. Just embarrassment– and excess baggage to lose.

    DCSCA (2e8f2b)

  317. https://therightscoop.com/elizabeth-warren-tells-radical-moveon-group-that-running-for-any-office-as-republican-is-insurrectionist/

    Elizabeth Warren says the quiet part out loud where she says no one running as a Republican is legitimate and they are all insurrectionists who should be dealt with.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  318. Felipe: Here’s an explanation of the different measures of inflation.

    In my area, I am beginning to see food prices ease, often indirectly by increases in coupons and specials. For example, I drink lactose-free milk, and am beginning to regularly see coupons giving me $1, or even a $1.50 off on a half gallon.

    Last week Fred Meyer had specials on chicken drumsticks and thighs, 99 cents a pound, and a two-for-one special on short ribs that let me buy three pounds for about 5 dollars a pound. (The specials would have been even better if I have remembered to ask for my over-55 10 percent discount.)

    A fairly large part of our recent inflation has been caused by China’s determination to shut down in order to control COVID, and, of course, Putin’s brutal invasion of Ukraine.

    And some of it has been caused by our own COVID, and our poor response to the disease.

    Despite all that, the US has lower inflation than most other advanced industrial nations.

    (Some commodity prices — lumber, for example — are way down from their recent highs.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  319. But Jim, there have always been coupons and specials. But the new coupon price is just as much over the old coupon price as the normal ones are.

    Eggs may be marked down, but it’s down to $2.50 instate of $0.99. A 3lb block of Kroger bacon (I like bacon and it freezes well) is marked down today to $15.99 (from $18.99). Was $10.99 just last year on special.

    Doesn’t wash.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  320. Despite all that, the US has lower inflation than most other advanced industrial nations.

    No, we just measure it differently. This is just gaslighting. It all goes back to Biden trying to kill oil production. Gasoline is up 100% and so is everything else.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  321. #319 – Link?

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  322. @325 who do we have to thank for measuring it differently? Did he star in bed time for bonzo?

    asset (a7c2bc)

  323. @322 If warren said that it will make me have a higher opinion of her.

    asset (a7c2bc)

  324. @321 Gavin newsom/AOC 2024. The ny times told hillary to take up knitting. Democrat base tells biden he will cause civil war in party if he trys to runs in 2024 and he is more liked then clinton. SNL is doing biden skits not trump. Late night comedians have more success with biden jokes then trump jokes.

    asset (a7c2bc)

  325. Kari lake campaign claims suspicious substance sent to her office. If its toxic she may be right. if it is talcolm powder or some other non toxic substance she and her campaign sent it to themselves for sympathy vote.

    asset (a7c2bc)

  326. Jim; worked for a promotion group at BBDO/NY back in the day. Anchor client; Campbell’s Soup. Here’s a tip- the redemption costs are already built into the retail prices of products. So if you don’t use a coupon on a product, it’s their gain and your loss– and they figure on low redemption percentages; there’s a redemption formula where the client calculates what percentage of coupons will be redeemed for a given product. At times, they use what’s callesd a ‘short fuse coupon’ strategy where the expiration date are just 30 days. But they figure on low redemption rates as is. If there’s a spike- the product group cuts back on issuing them over a given marketing budget cycle. But the bottom line is everybody should use a coupon for anything if that have one for a product.

    DCSCA (b03f5f)

  327. Kevin- Kroger turkeys are in the bin at $1.27/lb., this week- much higher than last year, but they haven’t run their ‘spend $25 on groceries and get a turkey for X $/lb.,’ yet, but it certainly won’t be the .39 or .49 /lb., range of last year. Ocean Spray cranberries are $3/can. They were .99/each last year. It’s the shipping costs. That bacon price seems right, too– it is quite steep here as well- so just aren’t buying any.

    DCSCA (b03f5f)

  328. who do we have to thank for measuring it differently? Did he star in bed time for bonzo?

    I’m not sure that Alan Greenspan starred in anything.

    Besides, you cannot both call Reagan an idiot AND blame him for sinister mathematical changes.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  329. I should point out that I know what the prices are, what the specials are, what is cheaper at Walmart (assuming the carry it) and why I never shop at the TX/NM wing of Albertson’s (not to be confused with the CA/AZ wing) which is stupidly high priced for people who can’t check themselves out or bag their own groceries.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  330. Conservatives seem happy that the democrat establishment is going down to defeat. Be careful what you wish for. If they go down to defeat there will nobody to stop the left from taking over the democrat party. Establishment we must have strict gun control in black areas so only criminals are armed to help control. Left: the john brown gun club and armed black liberation army will be passing out guns and teaching how to shoot back at racism and racists. See the difference. When the left wins enemies of the people will not be allowed to influence elections. Actually they will have more serious problems then voting. Since 1932 when FDR prevented a communist revolution. Even so communist party got over a million votes for president. The democrat establishment has prevent the left from taking over and setting up re-education camps for those who need to be re-educated. So on tuesday night while you are happily watching centrist establishment democrats go down to defeat the left will be cheering too!

    asset (a7c2bc)

  331. asset, which part of the hard left’s policy agenda is broadly popular? It’s interesting to me that you so rarely speak about the details of what the hard left actually wants to do. It’s just aggrievement and the implied promise of violence or revolution. Do you think this persuades people? Do you think middle America wants to turn over their 401K’s and economic future to AOC and her wishful Utopian thinking?

    AJ_Liberty (15d88c)

  332. Six years ago, Trump’s supporters were looking forward to owning their foreign-born neighbors’ houses and cars after the neighbors had been “relocated”.

    Soylent Green is people, asset.

    nk (e972d6)

  333. But be of good cheer. If DeSantis is reelected tomorrow, he is going to show Leticia James “how it’s done”.

    Mr. President Trump who wants you think of him whenever some good-looking guy comes along holding a prenup is just about to lose his political asylum in Florida.

    nk (e972d6)

  334. DeSantis will cruise to victory. He’s running the best state in the nation.

    Jim,

    it’s easy to find if you look for it. The CPI removed housing and rentals for a reason. They wanted to hide the cost that takes the biggest chunk out of the middle class.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  335. 299. Project Gutenberg is free book files, not free books.

    If by “files” you mean complete, meticulously-formatted e-books that you can read online as HTMLs or download to your hard drive or external storage device in several formats including Kindle, EPUB, and Plain Text.

    nk (e972d6)

  336. 330, possibility “C” is a staffer had a hell of a date with some booger sugar and needed an out. I’m surprised that Ducey hadn’t yet assigned her a DPS detail, although not going as hard as Abbott on a key issue was probably nth dimension chess – preserves his status as a RINO complement (for VP) and preserved an issue for Lake to campaign on. I still stand by statement that the very first thing the newly Dem 2007-2009 Congress should have done was given Arizona a wall.

    urbanleftbehind (d25a8d)

  337. For about 18 hours yesterday I thought DeSantis would be subject to some “vote-shaving” by some Trump loyalists (like Ted Cruz in 2018).

    urbanleftbehind (d25a8d)

  338. If by “files” you mean complete, meticulously-formatted e-books that you can read online as HTMLs or download to your hard drive or external storage device in several formats including Kindle, EPUB, and Plain Text.

    They are searchable, but not as readable.

    II have Whiston’s collected works of Josephus (with the older numbering dic=visions) saved on my hard drive and elsewhere,

    nk (e972d6) — 11/7/2022 @ 5:14 am

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  339. Housing is included in the CPI but the figures change every six months and more seriously, once a year every October. A lot of it is owner equivalent rent, hard to determine.

    https://www.brookings.edu/blog/up-front/2022/05/18/how-does-the-consumer-price-index-account-for-the-cost-of-housing/

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  340. Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/6/2022 @ 7:20 pm

    ls. But the new coupon price is just as much over the old coupon price as the normal ones are.

    Maybe not just as much, (prices do not rise for sll thing uniformly) but also.

    A neighborhood grocery store used to have a regular special (with card, but the cashier will use store’s card) of 3 for $5 for some brand of 2 liter ginger ale every week. One week it was $1.69 (total ($5.07) but this week it is 3 for $6, Don’t know if 3 for $5 will reappear.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  341. Sammy, you are very wrong. Very, very, very, very, very, wrong! I have been reading and downloading Gutenberg books for as long as there have been ebooks.

    Folks, don’t nobody pay no mind to him. See for yourselves. Here is “Call Mr. Fortune”, the first volume of an excellent British detective series of short stories and novels by H. C. Bailey.
    Link to initial page where you can can choose your format.
    Link to book in HTML format.

    nk (e972d6)

  342. I don’t believe that Trump is out to destroy the Republican Party. It does everything he wants it to do. Don’t be surprised if there is an effort in the party to eliminate our pare back primaries if it appears that Trump is in any danger of losing a contested nomination.

    One of posters correctly notes that Cruz and Trump, former opponents, are now deeply intrenched in Trump’s hindquarters. He could have added McCarthy, who almost got around to criticizing the whole 1-6 thing in public. Trump has to feel secure in people like that — folks who prefer their power to any former principles.

    Yes, this might fall apart quickly and then Trump will bellow about how he needs a new party. But it’s likely that any such declarations will be coming from a jail cell. That’s the only way the current GOP will abandon him.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  343. nk,

    If you are making them read Reggie Fortune stuff, you’ll scare them off golden age mysteries for life. The true golden age stuff is just now starting to become public domain (and Project Gutenburg eligible.)

    Really, children, ignore nk and go here instead for your short mystery (and good natured conservative instruction)

    https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/204

    Appalled (03f53c)

  344. The New York State apportionments for Congressional districts and the New York State Senate were done by a special master picked by a judge, and the primaries postponed from June till late August. The Assembly has an illegal apportionment because nobody sued till later aand the judge(s) held it was too late for this year.

    they state legislature (now controlled in both |Houses by the Democrts) rejected the lines drawn by a bipartisan commission and |I think the commission deadlocked for its second try.\\In addition to a commission the 2014 amendment to New York State constitution specifically foorbids partisaan considerations and even paying attention to the address of the incumbent, although the special master did make a few adjustments.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  345. De gustibus, Appalled, de gustibus. I have tried Father Brown. Who hasn’t? I prefer a detective (Reggie Fortune) who surreptitiously switches the cup with the poison that the killer intends for him with the killer’s cup and watches calmly as the killer drinks it.

    nk (e972d6)

  346. https://www.wuft.org/news/2022/10/06/attorney-general

    During a news conference last month, Moody dismissed the idea of debating Ayala, saying she’d prefer “discussions with those that are serious about being an attorney general that enforces the law, indeed, and works with law enforcement.”

    New York ||State’s Democratic Attorney General, Leticia James, also refused to agree to even onedebate but didn’t give a final no till late October.

    A former Hillsborough County circuit judge, Moody, 47, is the favorite in the race for a number of reasons, including incumbency, fund-raising, support from Gov. Ron DeSantis and former President Donald Trump and name recognition from media appearances on Republican-friendly television networks.

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  347. #350 — It’s more a question of style than plot. There is a sniffy superiority to Fortune that makes him (to me) unbearable, Plots like you mention seem better suited to the world of the Continental Op or, for that matter, John Buchan.

    Appalled (03f53c)

  348. https://www.nycourts.gov/ctapps/Decisions/2022/Apr22/60opn22-Decision.pdf

    No one disputes that this year, during the first redistricting cycle to follow adoption of the 2014 amendments, the IRC and the legislature failed to follow the procedure commanded by the State Constitution. A stalemate within the IRC resulted in a breakdown in the mandatory process for submission of electoral maps to the legislature. The legislature responded by creating and enacting maps in a nontransparent manner
    controlled exclusively by the dominant political party — doing exactly what they would have done had the 2014 constitutional reforms never been passed.

    When they were passed the State Senate was controlled by Republicans and the usual result was gerrymnader of each house to its liking and equal pain for Congressional districts

    The Constitution now requires that the
    IRC — a bipartisan commission working under a constitutionally mandated timeline — is
    charged with the obligation of drawing a set of redistricting maps that, with appropriate
    implementing legislation, must be submitted to the legislature for a vote, without
    amendment (see NY Const, art III, § 4 [b]; § 5-b [a]).

    If this first set of maps is rejected, the IRC is required to prepare a second set that, again, would be subject to an up or down vote by the legislature, without amendment (see NY Const, art III, § 4 [b]).

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  349. As a result of their disagreements, the IRC submitted, as a first set of maps, two
    proposed redistricting plans to the legislature — maps from each party delegation — as is
    constitutionally permitted if a single consensus map fails to garner sufficient votes (see NY
    Const, art III, § 5-b [g]). The legislature voted on this first set of plans without amendment
    as required by the Constitution and rejected both plans.

    They even rejected the partisan redistricting of the Democrats on the commission. (They shot for the moon, in other words, trying to afffect the 2022 resuklts for the House of Representatives plus whatever they wanted to do to improve the lines for themselves)

    Sammy Finkelman (b434ee)

  350. There is a sniffy superiority to Fortune that makes him (to me) unbearable.

    I agree about the sniffy superiority. He is not a character I can identify with, either.

    And certainly not in the same class as the Continental Op. (Who, as you note, also sets bad guys up to get killed, in more than one story.) And I would never claim that H. C. Bailey is in the same class as Dashiell Hammett.

    Thank you for the John Buchan mention. I tried to read
    The Thirty-Nine Steps, but it was too “Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion” for me. Maybe I’ll give him another chance.

    nk (cf15e0)

  351. nk,

    Buchan’s politics are awful — even bad for the day. I have found him easier to deal with either through the audiobooks from LibriVox (they have a youtube page — its a great thing to wash dishes and run errands to), or some excellent BBC radio adaptations I found through archive.org.

    Funny thing — Mickey Spillaine affects me the same way. I can’t usually read him, but I can listen to him.

    Appalled (906371)

  352. #319 and #339 –

    Jim,

    it’s easy to find if you look for it. The CPI removed housing and rentals for a reason. They wanted to hide the cost that takes the biggest chunk out of the middle class.

    So I looked, and here’s what I found:

    What goods and services does the CPI cover?▾
    The CPI represents all goods and services purchased for consumption by the reference population (U or W). BLS has classified all expenditure items into more than 200 categories, arranged into eight major groups (food and beverages, housing, apparel, transportation, medical care, recreation, education and communication, and other goods and services). Included within these major groups are various government-charged user fees, such as water and sewerage charges, auto registration fees, and vehicle tolls.

    In addition, the CPI includes taxes (such as sales and excise taxes) that are directly associated with the prices of specific goods and services. However, the CPI excludes taxes (such as income and Social Security taxes) not directly associated with the purchase of consumer goods and services. The CPI also does not include investment items, such as stocks, bonds, real estate, and life insurance because these items relate to savings, and not to day-to-day consumption expenses.

    The calculation of the CPI has been revised many times, but it does not exclude housing.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  353. https://web.archive.org/web/20220625195729/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/24/technology/inflation-measure-cpi-accuracy.html

    Try again Jim.. and that’s using the lefty site covering for Bidem’s economic destruction.

    Now do an apples to apples comparision using the same metrics as we did under Carter.

    NJRob (89ab3b)

  354. #359 – NJRobb you said the CPI was revised to exclude housing; the BLS says it includes housing as one of its main areas. And then I added a BLS link to show how that part of CPI has changed as economists tried to get a more accurate measure.

    If you can’t admit that the CPI does not exclude housing, I don’t see any reason to continue the discussion. (You would do yourself a failure by figuring out why you were incorrect, and us a favor by telling us the source of that failure.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  355. Biden Promises ‘No More Drilling’ Just Days After Demanding More Drilling

    Just a day after not exactly apologizing to West Virginia Sen. Joe Manchin for promising a San Diego audience to replace coal fired power plants with wind farms, President Joe Biden turned to promising a New York audience to shut down drilling for oil instead.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidblackmon/2022/11/07/biden-promises-no-more-drilling-just-days-after-demanding-more-drilling/?sh=1d6845dd78e7

    President Joe Biden made an apparently unscripted remark Sunday night that there will be “no more drilling” under his watch, in response to someone in the crowd at his rally with Gov. Kathy Hochul (D-NY)… “No more drilling,” he said, waving his hand with a back and forth motion. “There is no more drilling. I haven’t formed any new drilling.” The person was holding up a sign that read, “5 more years of drilling is a lose lose!,” and could be heard yelling back at Biden about offshore leases. He responded, “that was before I was president. We’re trying to work on that to get that done. Thank you.” – WashingtonExaminer.com

    DCSCA (f1ac06)

  356. it’s easy to find if you look for it. The CPI removed housing and rentals for a reason. They wanted to hide the cost that takes the biggest chunk out of the middle class.

    Perhaps, but I own my house outright and the inflation hit on me is still way more than 8%.

    A utility example: natural gas costs are up a factor of almost 4 over two years ago. In October 2020 I paid 26 cents per “therm” (10^5 BTU). In October 2022 I paid 98 cents per therm on roughly the same usage. NM is an oil and gas producing state.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  357. NJRob,

    From your NYTimes link….

    The CPI includes housing –it just measures it by RENT not HOUSE PURCHASE. The latter includes an investment component that isn’t a housing cost per se. Rent (and rent-equivalent of owned housing) is a better measure of the pure cost of housing. It tracks consumption and not other things, too.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  358. From NJRob’s article:

    Another estimate — using calculations used in a paper for The Quarterly Journal of Economics and updated for the newsletter Full Stack Economics — found that including home prices and interest rates instead of rent would have pushed the inflation rate to 11.5 percent in February, the latest date available, up 3.6 percentage points from the official figure that month. That’s more than Mr. Sharif’s estimate but still less than the 1980s.

    Others argue that the C.P.I.’s rent measure understates the cost of other types of shelter, pointing out that real-time rent trackers tend to capture rising prices much more quickly. But that is for a simple reason: They track new rents, while the C.P.I. tracks a sample of existing rents, including for people who renew their leases.

    “This divergence means that at the moment, the C.P.I. does not do a good job telling the story of how costly it is for an individual or household to secure housing in a new city,” said Jeff Tucker, a senior economist at the real estate website Zillow. Yet the point is to better reflect what prices look like for all consumers, not just ones looking for a new home, he said.

    SO, not only does the CPI measure rent, not home purchases, but it includes existing rental contracts and renewals along with new rentals. For any number of reasons, ongoing rents don’t jump like new rentals on vacant apartments. To measure the average costs to all consumers you have to include ALL rentals, not just new leases.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  359. @363. It does. The costs are being averaged out but when you go any specifics, like your bacon, or beef – or any food items needed to be trucked in- the 8% is lowballing for sure. We’re just putting stuff back on the shelves and doing without certain specifics. And utilities- yep, all up as well. And no end in sight for months, if not years. The Brits have a better system; Truss was screwing up and was gone in 45 days or the Cs would face a general election. Here, we’re stuck w/Joey and his green gang for 2 more years.

    DCSCA (f1ac06)

  360. The other change in CPI is product substitution. This one I have issues with. Sure, when butter goes from $3 to $5, some people may decide to use margarine or some other spread that is cheaper. Yuck, but they might. My problem here is that it builds in an acceptance of a lower standard of living as a normative factor.

    It’s like saying that if the cost of a Honda Accord is too high, you’ll buy a Honda Fit so we won’t factor in so much of a price hit. I think this is wrong. Substitution of essentially equivalent products (e.g. cookies for cupcakes) is fine, but I’m not sure about substituting Wonder Bread for La Brea sourdough.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  361. Rep. Maloney [D., NY] recalls ‘eating Chef Boyardee’ as kid during inflation talk, says it’s ‘what families have to do’

    Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee chairman Rep. Sean Patrick Maloney, D-N.Y., said during a late-October interview that his family would be “eating Chef Boyardee” when gas prices went up during his childhood and added “that’s what families have to do” if they find themselves in financial hardship.

    “Hudson Valley residents are feeling pain at the pump and at grocery stores, what have you done, and what do you plan to do to help solve our inflation problem?,” Maloney was asked. “Yeah, well, I grew up in a family where, you know, if the gas price went up, the food budget went down,” Rep. Maloney said. “So by this time of the week, we’d be eating Chef Boyardee if that budget wasn’t gonna change. So that’s what families have to do. Here’s what we should do,” Maloney said before discussing actions that he says would lower inflation. – FoxNews.com

    Maloney’s baloney: a can of Chef Boyardee Ravoli was selling for .99/can in August at our Ralph’s/Kroger. On Friday, it was selling for $1.39/can.

    IDIOT.

    DCSCA (efa020)

  362. And so it begins:

    Republicans sue to disqualify thousands of mail ballots in swing states

    Republican officials and candidates in at least three battleground states are pushing to disqualify thousands of mail ballots after urging their own supporters to vote on Election Day, in what critics are calling a concerted attempt at partisan voter suppression.

    In Pennsylvania, the state Supreme Court has agreed with the Republican National Committee that election officials should not count ballots on which the voter neglected to put a date on the outer envelope — even in cases when the ballots arrive before Election Day. Thousands of ballots have been set aside as a result, enough to swing a close race.

    In Michigan, Kristina Karamo, the Republican nominee for secretary of state, sued the top election official in Detroit last month, seeking to toss absentee ballots not cast in person with an ID, even though that runs contrary to state requirements. When asked in a recent court hearing, Karamo’s lawyer declined to say why the suit targets Detroit, a heavily Democratic, majority-Black city, and not the entire state.

    And in Wisconsin, Republicans won a court ruling that will prevent some mail ballots from being counted when the required witness address is not complete.

    I agree with holding vote counting to the requirements of the law. You either have Rule of Law, or you have Calvinball. The PA and WI rulings are in line with that. The MI case is not and further disqualifies the SoS nominee.

    For reasons I have given before, I don’t see telling supporters to wait for Day-of is a good strategy. It’s an own-goal gives a terrible advantage to the other side and if anything will lose the GOP this election, it’s that. And maybe Trump — the fat man has some singing left in him.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  363. @367: The SPAM argument.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  364. Watch the GOP win big in the midterms and then watch Trump continue to claim the election process is is corrupt. He should know. He is the King of corruption.

    DRJ (4653e0)

  365. SPAM isn’t a cheap meal either these days. Even a lousy bottle of generic ketchup is up from .99 to $1.25. And nothing in The Dollar Store is a dollar anymore. A can of Progresso Soup is going for $2.69 at Kroger/Ralph’s. Last autumn- they were .99 ea., if you bought 10. The ‘Pantry Loading’ period has evaporated- [ it’s a specific period when marketers like Campbell’s Soup usually move a lot of product at retail at special prices.]

    Housewives, who manage the family budgets, know this. And they’ll vote accordingly. This should be a massive sweep election for the GOP.

    DCSCA (efa020)

  366. Watch the GOP win big in the midterms and then watch Trump continue to claim the election process is is corrupt. He should know. He is the King of corruption.

    DRJ (4653e0) — 11/7/2022 @ 9:45 am

    It will be an interesting election for sure:

    Politico Suggests Election Fraud Could Cost Democrats the Election

    https://redstate.com/bonchie/2022/11/07/politico-suggests-election-fraud-could-cost-democrats-the-election-n655664

    BuDuh (97e2e6)

  367. A can of Progresso Soup is going for $2.69 at Kroger/Ralph’s. Last autumn- they were .99 ea

    They were .99 on special if you bought 8 of them. Recently they’ve been as low as $1.50 again on special if you bought 8 of them. It seems they cycle through these specials when inventory piles up. The trick is to get your pantry shelf in sync.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  368. ……but I have a hard time seeing Biden resigning. Maybe dying…….

    I would prefer lots of impeachments…..oh wait. But lots of investigations leading nowhere.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  369. No sooner do I suggest something that it shows up on Drudge.

    Trump wants to announce he is running for president ‘ASAP’; could come as early as today

    Several Republican operatives are reportedly on edge amid speculation that former President Donald Trump will make his 2024 presidential bid official Monday evening.

    Confidants close to Trump believe he is chomping at the bit and could expedite his timetable for debuting his comeback bid to Monday night’s rally in Ohio where he will be stumping for Republican Senate hopeful J.D. Vance and others, according to Axios reporter Jonathan Swan.

    The groom at every wedding….

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  370. ……but I have a hard time seeing Biden resigning. Maybe dying…….

    Well, find a way to replace Harris with Hillary, and the “falling down stairs” will take care of itself.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  371. He thinks it will help him avoid indictment.

    nk (0e2be8)

  372. He thinks it will help him avoid indictment.

    Some think it will speed it. Maybe even in Florida.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  373. Friday surprise:

    All lanes of I-5 in Seattle are now re-open after protestors condemning the Tigray genocide in Ethiopia took over the interstate Friday afternoon.

    Protestors said they’re looking to bring awareness to “the nearly 2-year long genocidal war committed against the people of Tigray, Ethiopia,” according to the group in a news release.

    They blocked northbound traffic for hours on the main north-south route through Seattle, I-5.

    The two sides just signed a truce, so I guess that the demonstrators objected to the terms of the truce.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  374. Jim,

    My remarks were hyperbolic because of the immediate downward shift when they adjustwd from ownership to renting. Just like when they remove staple items when they get too expensive and just substitute garbage items in its place.

    But it’s good to see you feel home ownership isn’t worthy of considering.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  375. But once again we are getting off topic. Compare like to like and we arr worse off now than we were under Carter

    Thanks for playing defense for this awful, corrupt administration.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  376. The twitter stuff is continuing to entertain. I’m not sure how long Musk can carry the platform by playing / being a Boratesque character but his latest bit is a KILLER.

    Banning accounts that have been doing “Elon Musk” parodies is hilarious in the context of his previous statements on moderation.

    Trying to hire back software engineers he callously fired last week is another good one. Very interested to see how that turns out. I’m hoping that it cost Musk/Twitter something public as a object lesson. Anything that makes wealthy people & large corporations more likely to treat their employees with a little dignity is a good thing.

    Which doesn’t mean twitter should die. Hopefully he can be keep this going long enough for the advertisers to come back, i read the debt from his LBO is pretty hard to service and with the continued decline in Tesla’s stock price I doubt he wants to see twitter fold. I like the products from Tesla & Space-X and would like to see him continue to grow those products.

    None of the accounts I’m most interested in are threatening to leave twitter. Several have said they’ll stay as long as Twitter continues to drive revenue to their paying work. Many of them are talking about creating backup accounts on Mastadon or countersocial, but it’s “just in case”. So I’ll probably check those out and spend few minutes a day there. More if the conversation moves there.

    Time123 (99d45c)

  377. So, what’s everyone’s prediction tomorrow?

    Imma say it’s going to be a decent red wave where GOP will get 52-53 Senate seats and 240-ish House seat.

    An absolute tsunami would be 54-55 Senate seats and 245+ House seats.

    whembly (b770f8)

  378. I expect the GOP to have modest gains. Likely take the house and have the senate by 1 or 2 seats.

    Time123 (a544b6)

  379. The real vote fraud. Pennsylvania put into law to disenfranchise as many voters as possible philadelphia says nearly 4,000 votes so far will not be counted because date was not put on outside envelope. Atlanta thousands of voters who requested mail in ballots were not sent to them and lawsuits have been filed to allow them to vote in person. Nashville polling places have been switched so people who vote in their local precinct votes wont be counted 400 have been found so far. More to come. This is real vote fraud by government!

    asset (f953f2)

  380. Kevin- just got back from Ralph’s/Kroger. That 3 lb. package of unsliced bacon is priced here at $18.99. Butterball turkeys- $2.00/lb. Ralph’s/Kroger turkeys- now $1.79/lb. Still plenty of empty shelves, too- supply chain issues.

    All Americans should go to the grocery store – then the gas station… then go to vote. Should cinch it for the GOP with ease.

    DCSCA (55865c)

  381. Kev- BTW: SPAM- $3.99/can.

    DCSCA (55865c)

  382. whembly (b770f8) — 11/7/2022 @ 11:42 am

    Imma say it’s going to be a decent red wave where GOP will get 52-53 Senate seats and 240-ish House seat.

    An absolute tsunami would be 54-55 Senate seats and 245+ House seats.

    There’s not much difference between those two results. A tsunami is Republicans getting 270+ House seats.

    But they won’t be the ones to vote to certify or not certify Presidential electors, although all the other stages will be affected by the people elected this week. (also Senators of course will still be serving at the beginning of 2025)

    A New York Times editorial blundered on that: (They’ve since corrected it)

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/opinion/midterms-win-control-congress.html

    The second paragraph originally had a sentence that said:

    The next Congress will count the electoral votes in the presidential election of 2024, and its members will be the ones to consider and act on any objections to the votes legitimacy

    That went into the memory hole.

    But here it is, retrieved from the memory hole:

    https://web.archive.org/web/20221107061212/https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/opinion/midterms-win-control-congress.html

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  383. DCSCA (55865c) — 11/7/2022 @ 12:02 pm

    All Americans should go to the grocery store – then the gas station… then go to vote. Should cinch it for the GOP with ease.

    Look, the rise in prices was temporary, and caused by supply chain disruoptions and by alimited degree by less oil production (which <i< can be blamed on Biden but things were not allowed to get back to normal because the federal Reserve Board began raising interest rates “to fight inflation”

    Jerome Powell dies not have the slightest idea of what he is doing. He’s not willing to make any predictions. It’s a black box to him.

    Deficits did not cause inflation.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  384. Sammy,

    The printing press causes inflation. Increasing labor costs increases product costs which is inflation. Paying people to sit at home is inflation.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  385. asset (f953f2) — 11/7/2022 @ 11:53 am

    The real vote fraud. Pennsylvania put into law to disenfranchise as many voters as possible Philadelphia says nearly 4,000 votes so far will not be counted because date was not put on outside envelope.

    So far it’s not decided. They must be segregated.

    It might affect more Republicans except that Democratic areas are making more effort to cure balllots.

    https://publicintegrity.org/politics/elections/who-counts/ballot-curing-chaos-looms-over-pennsylvania-midterms

    …Republican lawsuits have argued that the absence of ballot curing in the election codes means the prohibition of ballot curing in the state.

    …Despite the state Supreme Court consistently backing the right to offer ballot curing, the lack of explicit requirement for it in state law will mean local election officials in various parts of Pennsylvania this fall are unlikely to offer it.

    In some states problems like that can be cured if action is taken before Election Day is over.

    Re: Nashville” A person should not be able to vote at any polling place where he or she is not on the books, and they should be told where to go. But it is possible that people might cast aprovisional vote at the wrong polling place that weill not be counted.

    In any in person vote, including early voting, you get
    logged in” before you vote. With absentee ballots you get logged in after you have filled out and submitted the ballot. In most states requesting an absentee ballot takes you off the poll site list. New York switched from giving priority to in person votes to giving priority to absentee ballots

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  386. Whembly,

    Those are my expectations as well. And 30 governors.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  387. Republicans sued this year to have any in person affidavit vote count instead of the absentee ballot (as one court ruled ina compromise position)

    The contention in part rests on the fact that no excuses absentee voting violates the state constitution and argues that fear of Covid cannot become a permanent excuse.

    https://gothamist.com/news/ny-republican-conservative-parties-sue-to-upend-absentee-ballot-counting-in-general-election

    https://spectrumlocalnews.com/nys/central-ny/politics/2022/11/02/new-york-s-absentee-ballot-laws-survive-legal-challenge

    PUBLISHED 7:21 PM ET NOV. 02, 2022

    A New York state Appellate Court ruled on Tuesday that the state’s absentee ballot laws are constitutional and will allow voters to use COVID-19 as a reason to vote via absentee ballot and allow Boards of Elections to continue counting the ballots before Election Day….

    The case can still be challenged up to the state’s highest court, the Court of Appeals, if they decide to hear it. Goldfeder said the Court of Appeals rarely takes cases like this and that he is “confident” that the high court will agree with the lower court’s ruling.

    Goldfeder adds that the Supreme Court has said that election laws should not be changed so close to an election.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  388. In 1980, Ronald reagan carried New York State. Reagan had to be deemed acceptabble. Zeldin only has to be deemed not dangerous, but it might be harder for him to win.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  389. Time123 (99d45c) — 11/7/2022 @ 11:11 am

    Trying to hire back software engineers he callously fired last week is another good one. Very interested to see how that turns out.

    That might be the way to find out who’s really needed, but Musk should have announced he would hire back some people he fired before he fired them (and he should have had the brains to realize he would need to do so)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  390. @391 your post does not address not being allowed to vote if you requested a mail in ballot and not sent one by state (ga.) As many thousands were not sent requested mail in ballots.

    asset (f953f2)

  391. NJRob (f337ac) — 11/7/2022 @ 12:25 pm

    The printing press causes inflation.

    No it doesn’t. In 1923 Germany when the printers went out on strike, there was no money, but not an end to inflation.

    That inflation was caused by some people with good credit, like Hugo Stinnes, borrowing money in marks and then exchanging it for Dollars.

    The mark’s value was whatever someone was willing to pay for it in dollars. It was related to the amount of marks sold, not the amount of marks printed.

    Increasing labor costs increases product costs which is inflation. Paying people to sit at home is inflation.

    Increased demand creates increased supply.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  392. asset (f953f2) — 11/7/2022 @ 12:33 pm

    @391 your post does not address not being allowed to vote if you requested a mail in ballot and not sent one by state (ga.) As many thousands were not sent requested mail in ballots.

    This is handled in different ways in different states.

    In Geirgia:

    https://faq.georgiavoter.guide/en/article/what-to-do-if-youve-lost-never-received-or-need-to-cancel-your-absentee-ballot-and-vote-in-person

    …This is a fixable problem. You have two main options that are the same whether you lost your ballot or it never arrived in the mail.

    Option 1: Contact your County Elections Office and request a new ballot.

    Note: If it’s less than three weeks before Election Day, use option #2 if at all possible! Mail delivery delays make it unlikely that you’ll be able to resolve the problem using this option (#1) in time for your ballot to be received and returned….

    Option 2: Vote in person, either early or on Election Day.

    Note: To be safe, vote early in person if you’re able. Don’t wait until Election Day unless you have no other choice. Going early gives you more time to correct any problems that you may encounter.

    If Early Voting has already begun, you can go to your early voting location and cast your vote in person. If early voting has ended, you will have to go on Election Day. Let the poll worker know that you lost or never received your absentee ballot. The poll worker will need to contact the county to have your ballot cancelled. You will also have to sign an affidavit attesting to the fact that you lost or never received your ballot. This can take a little time and the poll worker may need to ask the Poll Manager for assistance, so be prepared. Once your absentee ballot has been cancelled, you should be able to proceed to vote on the voting machines.

    Remember: Sometimes poll workers don’t know some of the less common scenarios that voters encounter. Never let a poll worker tell you that you cannot vote. You always have the option to ask to speak to the Poll Manager. If you encounter any problems, ALWAYS be sure to contact the Election Protection Hotline at 1-866-OUR-VOTE (1-866-687-8683).

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  393. Over 30,000 mostly black registered democrats have their right to vote challenged by one rethugliKKKan operative in georgia thanks to new voter suppression law forcing them to vote provisionally and have to go to election board to prove they have the right to vote or their votes wont be counted. Other rethugs are challenging other black voters right to vote. When you here about large number of votes many of these are provisional ballots that wont get counted. RethugliKKKans are being prosecuted for telling democrats voters they can vote on their internet site or on wednesday. (du)

    asset (f953f2)

  394. Watch the GOP win big in the midterms and then watch Trump continue to claim the election process is is corrupt. He should know. He is the King of corruption.

    DRJ (4653e0) — 11/7/2022 @ 9:45 am

    Trump’s already claiming that they will win so big, the Democrats couldn’t cheat.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  395. All lanes of I-5 in Seattle are now re-open after protestors condemning the Tigray genocide in Ethiopia took over the interstate Friday afternoon.

    I would treat such protestors rather a lot like the J6 folks. They stole decades of time from the polulace, which they will never get back. Add up all the time lost, divide it by the protestors and you have your sentence.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  396. My remarks were hyperbolic because of the immediate downward shift when they adjustwd from ownership to renting.

    You mentioned nothing o/f the kind, as if you didn’t get past the bold headers in the article you linked.

    Just admit you were wrong (and you were) and it will actually help your credibility.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  397. OT: There was a record high temperature in New York City of 75 degrees F yesterday, Sunday November 6. The leading marathon runner collapsed six miles short of the end of the race but he survived without any lasting trouble…

    Also, what’s nobody is mentioning about Kyrie Irving is that he is not alone and seems to believe in what the Black Hebrew Israelites say – they they are the true Jews and the current Jews are imposters. The book he endorsed contains other anti-Jewish lies.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  398. Trying to hire back software engineers he callously fired last week is another good one.

    It will work just time, so long as he actually paid them 90 days severance. A COLA raise would be good, too.

    I was laid off once, with significant severance, then they discovered that there were problems with my logic design. I had known there were bugs that needed fixing, but a layoff is a layoff, right? So they hired me back as a contractor for two months at twice my salary. Not a problem.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  399. I don’t think most people know enough to argue with what can be loosely called MAGA propaganda.

    For instance the report that glass was outside the Pelosi residence instead of inside. You may feel that that must be made up or has a reasonable explanation, but if someone recites that, most people do not know the answer.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  400. The war in Ethiopia is over possibly because sanctions or worse were threatened on the Ethiopian government when food aid deliveries were stopped (The fact that European governments do not want to grant asylum) gave that credibility

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  401. The CPI removed housing and rentals for a reason.

    It didn’t remove it, but the cost for a lot of housing is only changed twice a year.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  402. The real vote fraud. Pennsylvania put into law to disenfranchise as many voters as possible philadelphia says nearly 4,000 votes so far will not be counted because date was not put on outside envelope. Atlanta thousands of voters who requested mail in ballots were not sent to them and lawsuits have been filed to allow them to vote in person. Nashville polling places have been switched so people who vote in their local precinct votes wont be counted 400 have been found so far. More to come. This is real vote fraud by government!

    The law is the law, and unless it’s unconstitutional we have the Rule of Law, not the Rule of “how can I get over.” The PA law went to the state’s high court which said yes, that is the law.

    Upthread someone has called BS on the Atlanta thing by quoting the law and procedures and giving a phone number to call.

    Polling places change all the time. Mine changed from 2020 to 2022. Had to look it up online. Google knew. If I had received a sample ballot (I told them not to mail one), the polling location would have been printed on it. Voting takes some effort. Your 400 people didn’t make one. Tough.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  403. 376. Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/7/2022 @ 9:57 am

    The groom at every wedding….

    The famous quote is:

    https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/alice_roosevelt_longworth_115487

    My father always wanted to be the corpse at every funeral, the bride at every wedding and the baby at every christening.

    Alice Roosevelt Longworth

    About Theodore Roosevelt.

    Donald Trump is no Theodore (TeddyZZZZ) Roosevelt.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  404. Sammy, they removed the costs of ownership, but not the costs of rent. Owned houses are carried as putative rentals. The point being that even if new apartment rents are up 25%, that does not reflect the average rent paid by the bulk of renters who are not moving into new apartments.

    For various reasons (from landlord preferences to rent-control) rents on occupied apartments do not usually go up a lot, even now.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  405. Donald Trump is no Theodore Roosevelt.

    I think he rates above Buchanan, but below Fillmore (who managed to put off the Civil War by a decade, which gives him points).

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  406. Nikki Haley says Warnock should be deported at Walker rally
    ……..
    “Legal immigrants are more patriotic than the leftists these days,” Haley said at the Hiram, Ga., rally. “They worked to come into America and they love America. They want the laws followed in America. So the only person we need to make sure we deport is Warnock.”
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  407. Tom Suozzi, if he had somehow won the Dem nomination, (he came in third) would be a better candidate.

    Candidates often can’t count properly. They don’t see how it is other areas. So you can’t rely on optimistic statements.

    But Ronald Reagan carried New York State in the election of 1980 (and 1984 also) Bush lost New York in 1988 but carried Pennsylvania.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  408. Biden says he was a professor, but didn’t teach a single class for nearly $1M gig

    “President Biden told an audience in New Mexico Thursday that he was a professor after leaving the vice presidency, despite never properly assuming that role. Biden slipped in the comment while touting the amount of time he has spent with Chinese President Xi Jinping. “I spent more time with Xi Jinping of China than any world leader has. When I was vice president and when I was out of the office for four years and I was a professor, and now president,” Biden said.

    I would say that Biden was trying to make himself look more ordinary actually.

    JVW:

    It’s like receiving an honorary doctorate and then referring to yourself as “Dr.” for the rest of your life. It’s true that Biden carried the title of professor, but even he knows that the title was just an honorific, and to describe himself as such, as if he were teaching and researching at Penn, is one of his usual ways of inflating himself through his ongoing bunkum and hokum.

    It’s not honorary. Some people, have had the title with few duties, like Isaac Asimov, who was professor of biochemistry at Boston University for a many years after he was fired because he wanted only to teach, and he only had to give one lecture a year or something, but Biden got paid a lot. This was a sinecure.

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  409. I aheven;t noticed that the Republicans are anxious to enforce the income tax laws. They oppose adding more agents to the IRS. So not all laws are created equal in their eyes. (maybe they can claim the IRS would enforce things that are not the law)

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  410. More electoral lawfare:

    In a blistering opinion issued the day before the midterm election, Wayne County Circuit Court Judge Timothy Kenny Monday rejected a request from Kristina Karamo — the Republican vying to serve as Michigan’s next chief elections officer — to expand election observers’ access in Detroit’s absentee ballot counting room and subject Detroit voters and election officials to a different set of rules than the rest of the state.

    “Plaintiffs have raised a false flag of election law violations and corruption concerning Detroit’s procedures for the November 8th election,” Kenny wrote in his opinion. “This Court’s ruling takes down that flag.”

    Kenny said that those who brought the lawsuit “sat on their hands for months before bringing a complaint” that “would create the potential harm of disenfranchising tens of thousands of Detroiters” in the election Tuesday.

    “This is unacceptable and cannot be permitted.”
    ………
    Kenny wrote that in “the 48 hours between November 2nd and November 4th, Plaintiffs’ relief requests changed three times.” And he dismissed the request for the court’s intervention in future elections as moot.

    He said that during an evidentiary hearing that lasted nearly nine hours last week those who brought the lawsuit “failed… to produce any shred of evidence.”Kenny wrote that in “the 48 hours between November 2nd and November 4th, Plaintiffs’ relief requests changed three times.” And he dismissed the request for the court’s intervention in future elections as moot.

    He said that during an evidentiary hearing that lasted nearly nine hours last week those who brought the lawsuit “failed… to produce any shred of evidence.”
    ………
    “Such harm to the citizens of the city of Detroit, and by extension the citizens of the state of Michigan, is not only unprecedented, it is intolerable,” he wrote. “The idea that the Court would single out one community in the state to be treated adversely when Plaintiffs have provided no evidence in support of their allegation simply cannot be allowed to occur.”
    ……..
    In a new request for relief filed Friday, Karamo’s lawsuit also argued that poll challengers empowered to contest the eligibility of voters to cast a ballot should have the authority to oversee election workers who verify voter signatures on absentee ballot applications. It asked Kenny to order Detroit City Clerk Janice Winfrey to create a public record of how Detroit election workers verified signatures of the city’s voters, provide a livestream of the camera surveillance of drop boxes in the city for future elections and grant challengers access to a platform in the Detroit absentee counting room housing the computers that collect election results. Kenny dismissed the allegations supporting the request for expanded access, writing they were “unsubstantiated and/or misinterpret Michigan election law.”
    ………
    “While it is easy to hurl accusations of violations of law and corruption, it is another matter to come forward and produce the evidence our Constitution and laws require,” he wrote. “Despite Plaintiffs’ arguments to ‘shed light on a dark place’, they have failed dramatically.”
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  411. I never was able to get a Kindle to work.

    What was the acronym that Isaac Asimov gave for BOOK?

    Sammy Finkelman (1d215a)

  412. Kevin,

    I read the entire article. It’s why I linked it because of how they admit to goosing the numbers by changing how they measure housing.

    But renting is a great way to destroy our belief of ownership rights.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  413. Sammy,

    Yes it does.

    It devalues currency.

    NJRob (f337ac)

  414. Final Public Policy Institute of California Poll:

    ………
    These are among the key findings of a statewide survey on state and national issues conducted from October 14 to 23 by the Public Policy Institute of California:
    ………
    Among likely voters, 55 percent would vote for Gavin Newsom and 36 percent would vote for Brian Dahle if the governor’s election were today. ……. Sixty percent are very or fairly closely following news about the governor’s race. Sixty-two percent are satisfied with the candidate choices in the governor’s election.

    When likely voters are read the ballot title and labels, 34 percent would vote yes on Proposition 26 (sports betting at tribal casinos), 26 percent would vote yes on Proposition 27 (online sports gambling), and 41 percent would vote yes on Proposition 30 (reducing greenhouse gases). …….
    ……….
    Forty-five percent of Californians and 40 percent of likely voters are satisfied with the way that democracy is working in the United States. Republicans are far less likely than Democrats and independents to hold this positive view. There is rare partisan consensus on one topic: majorities of Democrats, Republicans, and independents are pessimistic that Americans with different political views can still come together and work out their differences.

    Majorities of California adults and likely voters approve of Governor Gavin Newsom and President Joe Biden. About four in ten or more California adults and likely voters approve of US Senator Dianne Feinstein and US Senator Alex Padilla. These approval ratings vary across partisan groups. Approval of the state legislature is higher than approval of the US Congress.
    ………

    Likely Voters Crosstabs. Questions and responses at main link.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  415. …….renting is a great way to destroy our belief of ownership rights.

    Not if you are the landlord.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  416. My upsets or spread beats…
    Dahle clears 45%
    Bailey clears 47%

    urbanleftbehind (d25a8d)

  417. Sucks to be in the PNW.
    A windstorm knocked out our electricity Friday night, in the 3rd quarter of the Husky game, and we’ll be lucky to get it back tomorrow. It also sucks to not have a generator.

    Paul Montagu (793ae8)

  418. @391 your post does not address not being allowed to vote if you requested a mail in ballot and not sent one by state (ga.) As many thousands were not sent requested mail in ballots.

    But did Stacey Abrams get her pizza delivery? Or was it tofu and grits? Hog jowl and quinoa?

    nk (0e2be8)

  419. If you are interested in a scientific discussion of climate science, you might want to read Steven E. Koonin’s “Unsettled”.

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  420. Paul – Hope your power comes back on, soon.

    (One of the things that has surprised me about my little street in recent years is seeing people plant trees that touch the power lines. I understand the thinking of people who plant trees below power lines, not realizing that the trees will eventually touch the lines, but I don’t understand starting with the trees touching the lines.)

    Jim Miller (85fd03)

  421. @384. So, what’s everyone’s prediction tomorrow? Imma say it’s going to be a decent red wave where GOP will get 52-53 Senate seats and 240-ish House seat. An absolute tsunami would be 54-55 Senate seats and 245+ House seats.

    The Almighty has already cast His vote by way of the Celestial Calendar: a total ‘Blood Moon’ lunar eclipse for November 8, 2022.

    A decidely Red Wave from on high.

    DCSCA (55865c)

  422. @425 it will get settled in a hurry when the methane frozen at the bottom of the ocean thaws out and bubbles to the surface. Usually I don’t get a response to what happens when methane gets to the surface.

    asset (d4ba75)

  423. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvU683JUrBc

    White male democrat physically accosts Hispanic female republican. Only Fox News reports on it.

    Now just imagine if the political affiliations were reversed.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  424. Nikki Haley says Warnock should be deported at Walker rally

    Given the number of things that have been said in that race, this is not even in the top 100. Would I say it? No. But I would say a number of other unkind things about Ralph Warnock. Such as “What kind of Christian wants to kill babies?”

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  425. Is there any doubt that Karamo will view any loss as “a steal”? As the court said, if they really had an issue they ignored it for months. They bring these charges now to get newsprint mention. This is just the kind of self-interested cockroach that Trump attracts and whose antics harm other candidates on the ballot.

    It’s time to take out the trash.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  426. I read the entire article

    Then your comments based on it were unaccountably inarticulate.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  427. Approval of the state legislature is higher than approval of the US Congress.

    Approval of pornography is higher than approval of the US Congress.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  428. My upsets or spread beats…

    Doubtful, but Katie Porter will lose.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  429. Re 424-nk and the Kevin-DC supermarket sweep:

    I saw a Facebook post from a high school friend that lamented the high cost of chitterlings:

    “25 dollars for a literal bucket of S4!t!”

    urbanleftbehind (153056)

  430. Here’s my CD guesses for CA (all statewide offices go to Dems):

    GOP Holds 1,5,20,22,23,40,41,48
    GOP Gains 9,47,49
    Open seats 3,13

    GOP Holds: LaMalfa, McCLintock, McCarthy, Obernolte, Valadao, Steele, Kim, Calvert, Steele, Issa
    GOP Gains (loser) Patti (Harder), Baugh (Porter), Maryott (Levin)
    Open seats: Kevin Kiley, John Duarte

    My guess for NM:
    A very close race for governor. Could go either way.
    Down-ballot probably a Dem sweep. Hopefully the denier SoS candidate gets creamed.
    CDs: Dems hold 1 & 3, GOP holds 2

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  431. @425 it will get settled in a hurry when the methane frozen at the bottom of the ocean thaws out and bubbles to the surface. Usually I don’t get a response to what happens when methane gets to the surface.

    Heat does not move very quickly to the bottom of the ocean. If at all. In any event, the methane is not “frozen” (that would be extremely cold and the water near it would have frozen 116 degrees earlier). Instead it is trapped in compounds and formations which break down at various temperatures and/or stresses. Most seabed methane is consumed by organisms that use it for oxidation.

    What you should worry about is methane trapped in permafrost peat bogs (aka Siberia). That is much more susceptible to global temperatures, and once it starts it’s self-sustaining. And, oops, it’s already started.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  432. What about the Mike Garcia (R incumbent) / Christy Smith re-tilt, 25th district.

    urbanleftbehind (153056)

  433. You’re right, although it’s the 27th district now. RCP and 538 have that “Leans R” So, add that to my holds.

    I had that in the list at one point, but I must have flubbed an edit.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  434. Then your comments based on it were unaccountably inarticulate.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9) — 11/7/2022 @ 5:19 pm

    I’m quoting a leftist site that’s trying to excuse the administration in the best light possible. And that’s what you get out of it.

    Fascinating.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  435. So, maybe 14 seats out of 14. That’s barely over a quarter. It shows what happens when the “independent” commission announces a (successful) racial gerrymander. The state is about 60-40 voter-wise.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  436. *14 seats out of 52

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  437. I’m quoting a leftist site that’s trying to excuse the administration in the best light possible. And that’s what you get out of it.

    I found their explanations o/f the changes to be amazingly clear and needing no interpretation. You just assumed they were lying and ignored what they said. Not everyone lies.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  438. Dear God McClintock is terrible. I hope he loses so that they can actually vote for an R that has visited their district more than like 3 times and has some idea of the actual needs of the district. I bet if you put him on 49 without GPS he couldn’t find his way from Placerville to Auburn. (highway 49 is the main road between Placerville and Auburn)

    Nic (896fdf)

  439. The Times lies. Period. Ask Sen Cotton.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  440. Nic,

    Is there a single Republican tou support?

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  441. What are the worst 10 things McClintock did to his district?

    BuDuh (97e2e6)

  442. Met the Houston Astros new ‘short stop’ – Rafael Edward Cruz:

    Ted Cruz booed, hit with beer can during Astros World Series parade

    ‘Sen. Ted Cruz was showered with boos by otherwise jubilant Houston Astros fans and pegged with a beer can during the team’s World Series victory parade on Monday. Cruz (R-Texas) rode atop a military Humvee with his family during the parade through the city celebrating the Astros’ second World Series win in six years when he was hit by the cacophony of jeers, some one-finger salutes, and what appeared to be a full can of beer. “Loud boos and middle fingers for Ted Cruz,” Houston sports reporter Ben DuBose wrote on Twitter. Cruz and another man on the Humvee attempted in vain to stop the beer can as it hurtled toward the senator, video footage from the incident showed. Houston Police later confirmed that a 33-year-old man believed to have thrown the beer can at Cruz was arrested. The department added that the 51-year-old senator did not need medical attention.

    The unidentified alleged beer-thrower was jailed on prospective assault charges. Formal charges were still pending as of Monday night.’

    https://nypost.com/2022/11/07/ted-cruz-booed-hit-with-beer-can-during-astros-world-series-parade/

    If it was a soccer celebration, he coulda put a head on that beer. 😉

    On the bright side, if he was parading in Acapulco– it might have been a bottle of tequila.

    DCSCA (8a075e)

  443. ^Meet

    DCSCA (8a075e)

  444. @NJRob@446- Well, I live in CA, so most of the moderate Rs became moderate Ds (I have tended to vote for them) and often the R candidates are crazypants. I like Chuck Hagel and Ben Sasse. I voted for GHW Bush and GW Bush in his first go around. I wanted to vote for McCain, but he had too many health issues and I couldn’t risk Palin.

    @BuDuh@447 He voted for the Trump tax cuts which meant the most of the home owners in Eldorado Hills and some in Roseville got a tax raise instead (confusingly he voted against and then for, so he got to say both things, but in the end he voted for). He voted against infrastructure that would’ve improved and widened highway 50. He’s voted against several National Forest fire management bills. He’s bailed on many of his town halls over the last 10 years and rarely shows up in his district.

    Nic (896fdf)

  445. US attorney in massachuetts under investigation for improper political actions at democrat rally. To bad I can’t be on the jury of the guy who nailed cancun turd crud with the beer can. Jury nullification action time.

    asset (57f6f1)

  446. Nic, I could not find the afflicted group that had their taxes raised in your district:
    https://taxfoundation.org/2018-tax-reform-congressional-districts-map/

    BuDuh (97e2e6)

  447. Oddly enough, i’m voting for several republicans in statewide races, although that’s more because the democrats they’re running against are unacceptable.

    * Ricardo Lara, the first insurance commissioner since Quackenbush to accept campaign donations from insurance companies, and who appears to be allowing those donations to effect his decision making. he’s got to go.

    * Fiona Ma, the incumbent controller who has a serial sexual harassment problem, has got to go.

    aphrael (4c4719)

  448. @BuDuh@452 It’s not actually my district. I worked there for a while and I still have friends and family there. The Trump tax bill eliminated a tax deduction on mortgage interest above a certain point, which raised taxes on a lot of people in El Dorado Hills, Granite Bay, and some parts of Roseville.

    Nic (896fdf)

  449. Well, I live in CA, so most of the moderate Rs became moderate Ds (I have tended to vote for them) and often the R candidates are crazypants

    Hunh? Name one. Most of the moderate Republicans just left office after losing their primaries. But there is a vast gulf between them and so-called “moderate” Democrats.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  450. Nic,

    I sold a house in Los Angeles in 2018. 20 years of equity that was well over the capital gains exclusion. The loss of the SALT deduction that year cost me over $10,000 in additional federal taxes (out of my retirement money). Really bad timing. Yes, I was pissed. It’s why all those Orange County seats flipped to D in 2018. It’s not like the Orange County coast has gone liberal. And why many of those seats are coming back to R this time.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  451. BuhDuh,

    California taxes capital gains as straight income, at a rate of about 10%. Houses within 20 miles of the ocean are $1 million and up, leading to sizable property tax payments. Sales tax is pushing 10%. A $10K on state tax deductions hits everyone who itemizes. Given the cost of houses, everyone with a mortgage itemizes interest (also limited now), even after the increased standard deduction.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  452. The 2018 tax “cut” played really well in Red America with its $300K homes and 5-figure incomes. With the folks on the coasts, especially college-educated careerists, it was not a cut at all. But of course that was the point.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  453. @kevin@455 Brian Maienschein of San Diego, Rick Caruso of LA (not in my area, but easy to find the storiea about) There were 3 or 4 on my ballot in 2016, but I can’t tell you who they were off the top of my head.

    Nic (896fdf)

  454. It’s going to rain tomorrow in California, especially in the north. Rain traditionally helps Republicans.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  455. Rick Caruso is no Democrat. He just did that to avoid a label. Maienschein just recently. It’s not a trend. Most just dropped out of politics as the party moved right. The Democrat party moved left at the same time so few could go from one to the other without abandoning all principles.

    Kevin M (eeb9e9)

  456. Rick Caruso is no Democrat. He just did that to avoid a label.

    Wasn’t that nic’s point? I have no idea how common it is, but you asked for an example. Seems to me Caruso fits the bill.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  457. There is a total eclipse of the moon going on right now.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/science/lunar-eclipse-when-where.html

    Sammy Finkelman (56d3d9)

  458. November 8th (the first Tuesday after the first Monday in november) is the latest date a federal election can take place in the United States. It was also on November 8th in 1960, 1988 and 2016.

    Sammy Finkelman (56d3d9)

  459. Early voter turnout was low but 37% of that was in NYC. Ths=is is taken to benefit Democrats but I think alot of anti-Hochul voters voted early disproportionately. I think there was also an increased amount of straight ticket voting on the Republican line by registered Democrats although this was not promoted at all.

    Sammy Finkelman (56d3d9)

  460. Zeldin said he needs to get 33% in NYC. He also has no iea what he would do to stop crime – said he would ask NYC mayor Eric Adams what he wants.

    Sammy Finkelman (56d3d9)

  461. DCSCA

    First, it almost hit his teenage daughter, and could have caused serious injury, I guess that’s funny to you, someone of such low morals that child assault is okay.

    Second, video isn’t showing what some left wing sports caster twitted about – I hear he’s going to be fired – good. The person who threw the beer, is being charged with 4 counts of various felonies – He was trying to throw more but he was tackled by bystanders, not some random hate Cruz thing.

    You seem fixated on his 6 hour trip to Cancun, which was trumpeted by his wife’s liberal relatives.

    I know you seem terribly concerned with where he was – during 6 hours of the Freeze. But where was Jackson Lee (Florida) Green (California) and most of the Democrat legislature left the state during the entire time – ted was gone for 6 hours. They were gone for 3 weeks.

    So proud to have your filth infect every discussion here…

    EPWJ (650a62)

  462. To bad I can’t be on the jury of the guy who nailed cancun turd crud with the beer can. Jury nullification action time.

    asset (57f6f1) — 11/7/2022 @ 8:22 pm

    Too bad you dont know right from wrong – you are one sick person, who has nothing left in this life but to spew stupid stuff on the internet

    EPWJ (650a62)

  463. Trump with the great psyche out last night; I would have flown to a Ore/ Washington
    or Alaska rally and announced late at night.

    Speaking of the exact date of Election Day, Biden probably loses decisively had 2020’s been on November 8 instead of November 3. The red wave gets/got enhanced by the latest possible date.

    urbanleftbehind (153056)

  464. Well said EPWJ.

    NJRob (8d4680)

  465. Thanks, Jim.
    We’re still without power, but we’re down from 130,000± customers to under 14k in the county (and Camano).
    A couple years back, the PUD came by and gave us a $150 credit to buy a replacement tree or three because our maple was growing into the power lines. Great deal. We got three really nice crabapples in exchange.

    Paul Montagu (793ae8)

  466. I hope whoever threw a beer can at Cruz is caught and prosecuted.

    Time123 (c94a62)

  467. They did, but I don’t know what for. It was two cans, unopened. Since when is it a crime to toss somebody a couple of beers at a World Series celebration?

    nk (bb1548)

  468. Is Harris a dry county?

    nk (bb1548)

  469. Someone in Los Angeles County is very happy today, and it has nothing to do with the election.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  470. Harris County produces 15% of Americas beer

    think its wet

    EPWJ (650a62)

  471. @468. Stay prouder: Houston fans be a lot like Philly fans after all.

    DCSCA (da0134)

  472. FIFY: Canadian Cruz seems fixated on his 6 hour trip to Cancun, where the heat forced him to see the light.

    DCSCA (da0134)

  473. EPWJ, remind us of how many major league baseball games Edward Raphael Cruz played for Houston to help them get into the World Series, cinch the win and merit riding in their parade. The boys and girls at ESPN can’t seem to find ’em.

    DCSCA (da0134)

  474. DCSCA,

    How many did Judge Garcia play? – the Democrat Harris county Official who was sitting next to him and his daughter? So were three other Democrat Politicians in the Humvee – but its Ted who is wrong, but not the others?

    Are you still advocating violence against children?

    Stupid filthy comment clown cant stop himself from soiling himself further

    EPWJ (650a62)

  475. Swing and a miss. Keep pitching.

    DCSCA (da0134)

  476. 480 Look at all the rethugliKKKan jokes about paul pelosi who was injured. People in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. Turd crud is scum. I don’t whine why do you?

    asset (91c3b0)

  477. I hope whoever threw a beer can at Cruz is caught and prosecuted.

    Time123 (c94a62) — 11/8/2022 @ 10:17 am

    I’d ask “how does that even need to be said?” if there weren’t people, including here, making excuses.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  478. @482. Stop the whatabouting. It was a violent assault. It’s wrong. It’s criminal. It should be prosecuted. End of story.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  479. Harris County produces 15% of Americas beer

    think its wet

    EPWJ (650a62) — 11/8/2022 @ 10:55 am

    Moore County, TN produces 100% of America’s Jack Daniels.

    It’s dry.

    lurker (cd7cd4)

  480. For Appalled:

    So I picked up a “new” Reggie Fortune book, Mr. Fortune Speaking, and I thought you might be amused by the opening paragraph of one of the stories:VI.

    THE WOMAN IN WOOD THAT summer was a long time dying. Mr. Fortune came back from bathing in the Bay of Biscay and lay in his garden. But he is supercilious about the later roses, and to the flowers which bloom after roses, kind but cold. These vain prejudices reveal a weakness in his character as man and gardener: also they were the cause of his leaving the country for London, where he had nothing to do, and thus introduced an unforeseen force into a scheme which had no room for it. If only he had felt the common human interest in dahlias, the lives of several people would have come to a different end. But we all have our limitations.

    nk (ba1559)

  481. Oops. I’ll just properly reformat the first couple of lines.

    VI. THE WOMAN IN WOOD

    THAT summer was a long time dying.

    nk (ba1559)

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