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10/4/2021

Priorities, Priorities

Filed under: General — JVW @ 8:57 am

[guest post by JVW]

When I lived in New England, Boston magazine used to run a funny recurring piece called something like “Why It’s Good to Live in a Two Newspaper Town.” In it, they would juxtapose coverage of issues based upon the ideology of the two local papers. For instance, a contentious budget deal between Republican Governor Bill Weld and the Democrat legislature might lead to a headline in the left-leaning Boston Globe of “Dems Manage to Partially Restore Weld Cuts in Services to the Poor,” whereas the headline to a similar story in the right-leaning Boston Herald might read “Weld Forces Dems to Accept First Welfare Cuts in Over 50 Years.”

And that’s kind of always been my retort to those (mostly left-leaning) journalists who claim that opinion is limited to the editorial page, and that newsrooms play it straight where reporting is concerned. While reporters and editors might want readers to believe that they are just relaying the who, what, where, when, why, and how of daily events, we all know that newsrooms continually shade the news based upon both how they approach a certain story as well as in their choice of what stories to showcase and pursue. And that leads me to what I just noticed on the two major national news websites, CNN and Fox. The ongoing stalemate within the Democrat Party over the infrastructure bill and the reconciliation spending spree is probably the biggest story in the country right now. Lord knows I’ve bored readers silly here with my obsessive coverage, so here is what each news site believes are the major stories going on at the moment:

and

I think that for my part I find the story about Sen. Sinema being hounded by activists to be quite a bit more newsworthy than CNN apparently does, even if perhaps I find it to be less newsworthy than Fox has determined. I am cynical enough to believe that had right-wing protesters attacked a Democrat Senator (or even a moderate Republican Senator for that matter) and hounded her to the degree of following her into the ladies room (Isn’t filming someone in the bathroom without their consent illegal, by the way? It’s hard to justify that as being “in public.”) that CNN would dial up the outrage to at least the level that Fox is appearing to do so. By the same token, perhaps if the roles were reversed Fox would be ignoring right-wing activists publicly harassing a Rob Portman or a Susan Collins. Instead, the only mention of Sen. Sinema on CNN’s homepage is a rather insipid “Analysis” piece which argues that Arizona Dems should demand more progressive action out of their senior senator. The network of Chris Cuomo and Jeffrey Toobin is now challenging MSNBC for the silliest opinion writers in all of news media.

Anyway, I thought it was an interesting way to start off the week, and it’s a further lesson in the perils of relying heavily upon one source for the news.

– JVW

UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Add this story to the story about immigrants’ rights activists blocking traffic on the Golden Gate Bridge a few days ago, and you have to wonder why these people think that behaving in the most off-putting manner possible is good for their cause. “Gee, maybe if we make people late to work and medical appointments, and follow them into bathrooms and videotape them, people will start agreeing with us” is not something you typically hear from rational people.

For what it’s worth, the university should identify the videotapers and discipline them, at a minimum. It won’t, but it should. And the traffic-blockers should have been arrested, but I never saw any evidence that they were.

Comments (47)

47 Responses to “Priorities, Priorities”

Notice how both CNN and Fox have “news” items which revolve around how comedians react to current events? That tells you right there why we live in such a garbage media climate these days.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:04 am
I want to know more about the Chili pepper story you have highlighted.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:11 am
I want to know more about the Chili pepper story you have highlighted.

Pretty interesting read. These scientists won the Nobel for research they have done into capsaicin and how it affects our nervous systems. My hometown grows some renowned chili peppers (I’ll fight any of you New Mexicans who want to go on and on about Hatch chiles) so this is a topic of peculiar interest to me.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:20 am
https://www.bioworld.com/articles/511993-nobel-prize-for-red-hot-chili-pepper-and-cool-mint-receptors

The 2021 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded today to David Julius and Ardem Patapoutian “for their discoveries of receptors for temperature and touch.”

The receptor for capsaicin, which furthermore is also responsive to temperatures above 110 degrees, and they discovered also “a series of channels whose actions combine to sense temperature range.”

About cooi mint this article explains nothing.

This potential Nobel Prize award must have been in the pipeline for some time, and anything with Covid was probably too new, and they don’t know what will hold up, at least as significant, and there was also maybe a wealth of thins to pick from.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:31 am
JVW, that is an incredibly cool story. Thank you for taking the time to reply to my somewhat tongue in cheek response.

When Sinema votes against spending bill, or refuses to support unless it’s trimmed down further, I hope she highlights that violation of norms and generally gross behavior of the proponents is part of the reason.

If getting elected means that the public makes your life horrible we’re going to be left with only representatives like MTG or Omar.
Time123 (9f42ee) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:39 am
JVW, I continue to shake my head why anyone at all would care what comedians think, versus some pal of theirs. I blame Jon Stewart. Ugh.
Simon Jester (ff9c91) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:46 am
Unfortunately while we live in a “two-newspaper-town”, no one is reading both. The media we consume is media of choice, so half of the country is consuming right wing media and the other half is consuming left wing media, and neither is picking up the other “newspaper.”
Nate (8f526f) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:16 am
I think that for my part I find the story about Sen. Sinema being hounded by activists to be quite a bit more newsworthy than CNN apparently does, even if perhaps I find it to be less newsworthy than Fox has determined.

These sorts of things have stopped bothering me since a Democrat terrorist open fire on a softball field full of Republicans and the media put the story to bed as quickly as possible.

Is it any wonder CNN won’t report on activists doing that?
Hoi Polloi (093fb9) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:18 am
JVW – Decades ago, I was asked by the wife of a friend how she could be well-informed. I’ve been thinking about her question ever since, and have this tentative answer:
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:26 am
At NRO, Charlie Cooke has his usual insightful take:

[. . . ] The unusual feature of Sinema’s visit to the toilet was not that she “locked” the door while she used the facilities, but that she was pursued by a rabble of agitators wielding camera-phones and speaking in declarative slogans. Where I come from, “avoiding” others while using the lavatory is standard procedure. Being followed into the lavatory by angry crowds is not.

One imagines that this might be more obvious if the politics were slightly different. If, instead of a left-winger berating a moderate Democrat in the loo, a right-winger had berated a moderate Republican, it would have been the biggest news of the year. Within minutes, the occurrence would have had a name — the “Arizona Attack,” perhaps. Within a day, it would have been deemed to be representative of everything that was wrong with the American Right — and with the United States itself. Within a week, we would have been drowning in breathless TV segments, tendentious op-eds, and mawkish lectures about the sanctity of democracy in America.

I can hear the rhetoric now. Change a handful of inconvenient details, and this incident would be cast as an attack on “women,” on “the LGBT community,” and on “our democracy itself.” Put the motivating criticisms in the mouth of Tucker Carlson, instead of Chris Hayes, and the episode would be widely held as “the logical endpoint of the climate of hatred that has been whipped up.” Attribute the passion to a MAGA type instead of a progressive, and it would be said to “evoke the painful memories of January 6.” Noting the event, the Washington Post concluded that it was “representative of the dissatisfaction that many Arizona Democrats — and Democrats across the country — have voiced over Sinema’s resistance toward the reconciliation bill.” Is there anyone alive who believes that the Post would have been this sanguine if the roles had been reversed?

The affair brings to mind the politicized “irregular verbs” from the BBC’s satire, Yes, Minister: “I have an independent mind, you are eccentric, he is round the twist.” In the stylebook utilized by the establishment press, left-wing protesters are “passionate,” “frustrated,” “tired,” “dissatisfied,” “engaged,” and “peaceful,” while right-wing protesters are “bitter,” “hateful,” “dangerous,” “disturbed,” “misled,” and “violent.” Why, five years later, is the attack on the Pulse nightclub still being cast as an anti-gay hate crime somehow caused by the Republican Party, while the 2017 congressional-baseball-practice shooting — which was carried out by a fan of Bernie Sanders who hoped to murder a considerable portion of the Republican caucus — is treated as an anomaly that deserves to be consigned to the dustbin? I’ll tell you why: Because, almost to a man, the establishment press’s starting assumption is that conservatives are wrong and progressives are right, and because everything else flows ineluctably from there.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:44 am
Nate: “neither is picking up the other “newspaper.””

And they are more likely to be utterly indignant about the very existence of the paper….and the evil sob’s that subscribe to it and keep it going.

This brings me to another story on the screen capture above that I thought was fascinating….the Facebook whistleblower interview on 60 Minutes. That FB uses its advertising algorithm to lure viewers into confrontational divisive sites to use the site to keep viewers on line…..and consuming their advertisements. The controversy is that the hate and anger fest isn’t good for people…and it’s awful for governing. As the report indicated, European governments were being pulled more and more extreme to keep up with the extreme social media sites…and what people want. So again, we’re getting angrier and angrier….increasingly worried and desperate….and our politics is getting more and more corrosive…..because…in part…it’s good for FB ad dollars driven by 2B users. Talk Radio seems to work on the same principle….and when you think about it….most media venues are tilting that way to some degree.

The cynic might say….well that’s what people want….let the market speak. My fear though is that is how empires fall…that there is insufficient feedback in the system for people to see that things are unraveling. I’m not sure what the response is….but celebrating the dysfunction as some tend to do doesn’t seem right.
AJ_Liberty (ec7f74) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:45 am
I think it’s just darling the way these kids thing someone else wioll be paying for this waste.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:48 am
@10, JVW, I’ve never really found these counterfactuals very compelling. Because the possibilities never seem to be thought through in good faith. There are for sure differences, but just like this one the hypothetical stops with “the world is very unfair to my side.”
Time123 (9f42ee) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:50 am
7. Nate (8f526f) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:16 am

Unfortunately while we live in a “two-newspaper-town”, no one is reading both. The media we consume is media of choice, so half of the country is consuming right wing media and the other half is consuming left wing media, and neither is picking up the other “newspaper.”

Some people listen, at least occasionally, at least accidently, to bth NPR and most (right-wing talking point) talk radio, but neither seems to take cognizance of the other.

It’s different with newspapers – right wing papers often criticize things that have appeared in other newspapers, and “mainstream” newspapers will mention something that first appeared say in the New York Post when it is important to a story they want to write because politicians have taken it up. But they will often not tell the full story.

Right wing talking oint radio will often play excerpts of things that were said – but invariably, it was something on cable or broadcast TV, or something a politician said, but just about never NPR.

Cable TV will often cite (left wing) comedians, who do the same sort of thing right wing talking point point talk radio does. Much of what the comedians say misinforms people, which means few jokes are really good if you are aware of the facts.

Cancel culture doesn’t absolutely silence people, but what it does do is keep arguments from interacting with other arguments, which is what the people who want other people cancelled from off various platforms and public stages really want.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:54 am
Sorry, hit a wrong key, somehow: Here’s my tentative answer to that question:

1. Don’t watch national TV news.

2. Read the best newspaper you can find.

3. Read some news site, or magazine, that is routinely critical of that newspaper.

The first may require some explanation. The 20 minutes or so of news in the average half hour news program would not fill a typical front page of the New York Times. Any reasonably quick reader can read several pages in that 20 minutes. (The pictures provided for the TV news readers almost never add any information to the stories, other than in sports.)

And it is easier, for most of us, to read critically, than to watch critically.

(Do I follow my own advice? To some extent. I read the Washington Post regularly on line, the Tuesday New York Times (for the Science section), the Wall Street Journal on weekends, and the Seattle Times on Sundays.

I don’t subscribe to cable, and I don’t watch the national news programs.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:56 am
10. JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:44 am

The unusual feature of Sinema’s visit to the toilet was not that she “locked” the door while she used the facilities, but that

they were self-righteous.

Of course the idea was that people should reason backwards: they acted extremely, so they much be right.

It wasn’t a serious attempt to change her vote. It was a way to accuse her of being evil. Saturday Night Life mocked her position. They had her say things that wouldn’t come close to what she, or anyone, would say.

If, instead of a left-winger berating a moderate Democrat in the loo, a right-winger had berated a moderate Republican…

they would have talked about how this resembled what Corey Lewandowski did in keeping someone away from Donald Trump in 2016. (before the latest news came out about Corey Lewandowski)

Within a day, it would have been deemed to be representative of everything that was wrong with the American Right

No, they would be interested in getting the politician to let himself or herself be sked pointed questions ad told to answer them in 25 words.

Noting the event, the Washington Post concluded that it was “representative of the dissatisfaction that many Arizona Democrats — and Democrats across the country — have voiced over Sinema’s resistance toward the reconciliation bill.”

It’s normalizing anger. But they weren’t tricked. Sinoma did not run for election on this bill.

Why, five years later, is the attack on the Pulse nightclub still being cast as an anti-gay hate crime

Why, you can ask, is the murder of Matthew Shepard in Wyoming in 1978 treated as anti-gay hate crime, which it wasn’t?

In this case, people on the left are more comfortable with an anti-gay villain than an Islamic terrorist. The nature of the people at the Pulse was not the key factor in the murderer choosing it, but the number and the nationality.

while the 2017 congressional-baseball-practice shooting — which was carried out by a fan of Bernie Sanders who hoped to murder a considerable portion of the Republican caucus

Here what you have is people NOT saying anything wrong. They don’t make unfair attacks against people they support.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 11:15 am
15. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 10:56 am

. (The pictures provided for the TV news readers almost never add any information to the stories, other than in sports.)

Radio is faster than TV, but now there tends to be limited content in radio before it repeats. TV news sometimes does add some details not in the newspaper. In fact every source may add something. TV is best with developing stories.

I wouldn’t always look for critical outlets, but disinterested ones (in the arguments) Often both sides are wrong, albeit about different things.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 11:20 am
3. Read some news site, or magazine, that is routinely critical of that newspaper.

I generally look at the Fox News website first, but then I will go over to CNN to see if they have a different take on things. But just as I outlined in this post, I am always surprised by the degree to which those two disparate news sites simply choose to focus on entirely different news stories, and ignore the one that possibly doesn’t reflect well on their overall ideological bent.

My local newspaper runs wire service items from the Washington Post and the New York Times, so I figure I have a pretty good idea of what the conventional progressive media take is at any given time. So then I can read sites like this, NRO, Spectator US, and some of my other favorites to see what the conservative reaction is.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 11:25 am
Bot sides are often wrong.

Take the Arizona election audit.

The most significant fact about it is that it was a hoax:

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/01/us/arizona-election-review.html

And yet they chose not to fake a Trump victory

The New York Times broke that story.

The story has dropped like a rock because it undermines everybody’s arguments.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 11:25 am
Newspapers
those were the days
mg (8cbc69) — 10/4/2021 @ 11:38 am
UPDATE BY PATTERICO: Add this story to the story about immigrants’ rights activists blocking traffic on the Golden Gate Bridge a few days ago, and you have to wonder why these people think that behaving in the most off-putting manner possible is good for their cause. “Gee, maybe if we make people late to work and medical appointments, and follow them into bathrooms and videotape them, people will start agreeing with us” is not something you typically hear from rational people.

For what it’s worth, the university should identify the videotapers and discipline them, at a minimum. It won’t, but it should. And the traffic-blockers should have been arrested, but I never saw any evidence that they were.
Patterico (e349ce) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:11 pm
Apparently five were arrested.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:32 pm
California Highway Patrol officers escorted the suspects to the Vista Point parking lot and detained them on suspicion of obstructing a road and failing to obey a lawful order, Officer Andrew Barclay said. Their four vehicles were towed.

Source
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:34 pm
absent left wing bias, fox news doesn’t exist

absent right wing bias, lefty media would carry on
JF (b13d68) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:41 pm
I think it fair to say that Senator Kyrsten Sinema has “evolved” during her long political career, having gone from condemning capitalism to earning the endorsement of the Chamber of Commerce. Presumably some of her early supporters are unhappy about that. I have no idea whether her move to the center was partly, or wholly, tactical. But I can say that she has gotten a lot of help from Kelli Ward.

(For the record: From what I can tell from a distance, Martha McSally was a better senator, and is a better person. FWIW, both ladies were high school valedictorians.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:53 pm
21. Patterico (e349ce) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:11 pm

and you have to wonder why these people think that behaving in the most off-putting manner possible is good for their cause.

It worked for Martin Luther King and others, didn’t it? Maybe something like that (sit down strikes) helped unionize the auto industry about 1937. And it was done by the suffragettes in England about 1910.

But the problem is that there is not general agreement about equal rights. Also, Martin Luther King didn’t quite do what they are doing. Maybe they teach both too much, and not enough about that in schools, and you get a caricature of that. And I’m not sure how much it helped the suffragettes.

https://www.loc.gov/exhibitions/women-fight-for-the-vote/about-this-exhibition/confrontations-sacrifice-and-the-struggle-for-democracy-1916-1917/suffrage-and-world-war-i/obstructing-traffic-or-exercising-free-assembly
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:57 pm
Patterico – There have been similar road blockages in Britain — over home insulation (to reduce climate change).

(And there was an attack on a former leader of the Conservative Party, Ian Duncan Smith. A small group chased him and one mad threw a traffic cone at him.)
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 1:04 pm
Jim Miller (edcec1) — 10/4/2021 @ 12:53 pm

I think it fair to say that Senator Kyrsten Sinema has “evolved” during her long political career

And then there’s Harriet Hageman, Trump’s candidate to take on Liz Cheney in running for the House in 2022.

In 2016 she was a die-hard Never Trumper, who wanted to find a way to deliver the Republican nomination for president to Ted Cruz. In 2018, when she ran for Governor, Trump was against her and she came in third in the Wyoming Republican primary for governor. But then, in 2020, when she ran for a seat on the Republican National Committee, she was all out for Trump. (her competition was a moderate.)

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/27/us/politics/harriet-hageman-liz-cheney-trump.html

Elise Stefanik also “evolved” in this direction It’s not all like Kirsten Gillebrand.
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 1:10 pm
New York City has three, or maybe four, daily newspapers (if you count the Wall Street Journal, which recently got rid of its New York pages. There’s also the Lg Is;and based Newsday which also corculates in Queens)
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 1:12 pm
JVW wrote:

When I lived in New England, Boston magazine used to run a funny recurring piece called something like “Why It’s Good to Live in a Two Newspaper Town.”

LOL! It’s difficult to find a one newspaper town anymore.

Before I left the Bluegrass State, in 1984, the Louisville Courier-Journal was the Commonwealth’s purported ‘newspaper of record,’ and it was a fine paper, on a par with, at the time, The Philadelphia Inquirer. As things happened, I rarely got back to Kentucky while living in the diaspora, and never saw what I used to call the Curious-Journal again until 2012. While I’d seen the Inquirer go downhill gradually, what happened to the CJ was almost shocking: it went from a fine paper to a couple of local news pager wrapped around the low-rent USA Today.

The closer-to-me Lexington Herald-Leader is now a McClatchy rag, doesn’t even publish on Saturday anymore, and if it weren’t for its coverage of University of Kentucky sports, it would probably have folded by now. It outsourced its printing to a Gannett plant in Shelbyville, 40 minutes west of Lexington, and sold its building. Lexington and the surrounding counties have been left being half newspaper towns.
The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (fcc309) — 10/4/2021 @ 1:17 pm
Apparently five were arrested.

But I think P. was referring to the ASU students. And I agree with him; students who harass and film anyone — whether a public official or not — in a restroom are due some significant punishment. I checked the ASU website today to see if the university had made any kind of formal announcement and nothing was there. I saw somewhere earlier today (can’t remember where) that the young activist at the heart of this matter is unapologetic about her behavior, so I think it does kind of fall upon the university to clarify whether or not this is acceptable.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:19 pm
I find it fascinating too that so many comedians — from what I have heard, the cast of Saturday Night Live and the other usual halfwit comedy hosts — have been piling on Sen. Sinema in a way in which they are not piling on Joe Manchin. Yeah, I know that Arizona is a lot more hospitable to Democrats than West Virginia is, so activists feel more let down by her than they do by him, but I think another huge part of this is that Sen. Sinema is a proud member of the LGBTQ community and a former Code Pink activist, so lefty radicals feel especially betrayed by her. Maybe she’s just “grown in office” as we are always told happens when a John Paul Stevens or David Souter becomes a dependable progressive once exposed to the ways of Washington.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:32 pm
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:19 pm:

Patterico wrote:

And the traffic-blockers should have been arrested, but I never saw any evidence that they were.
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:50 pm
Ah, then comment withdrawn. Thanks for pointing that out, and I’m glad they were arrested. Now the ASU students need to face the music.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:52 pm
In Facebook news:

Facebook and all of its apps go down simultaneously.
And:

Zuckerberg Loses $6 Billion in Hours as Facebook Plunges
……..
A selloff sent the social-media giant’s stock plummeting 4.9% on Monday, adding to a drop of about 15% since mid-September.

The stock slide on Monday sent Zuckerberg’s worth down to $121.6 billion, dropping him below Bill Gates to No. 5 on the Bloomberg Billionaires Index. He’s down from almost $140 billion in a matter of weeks, according to the index.
……..
Sad!
Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 10/4/2021 @ 2:55 pm
When Sinema votes against spending bill, or refuses to support unless it’s trimmed down further, I hope she highlights that violation of norms and generally gross behavior of the proponents is part of the reason.

Time123 (9f42ee) — 10/4/2021 @ 9:39 am

I couldn’t disagree more. Like Sineam I oppose the Bernie Spend-a-thon. I also find the entitled brats who chased her into the bathroom despicable. But the latter is a terrible reason for the former. Policy should be informed by policy concerns, not by personal retribution, however righteous.
lurker (59504c) — 10/4/2021 @ 3:30 pm
Policy should be informed by policy concerns, not by personal retribution, however righteous.

I would want Sen. Sinema to sort of compromise when she explains her no vote: point out that she thinks it spends too much money too haphazardly at a time when the need isn’t really apparent, but I would also want her to tell the raving foaming-at-the-mouth lunatic left that they do not win over converts through cheap intimidation tactics and incessant bullyragging and that rather than win her over, their antics helped convince her that her decision was a wise one.
JVW (ee64e4) — 10/4/2021 @ 4:24 pm
37.

I would want Sen. Sinema to sort of compromise when she explains her no vote: point out that she thinks it spends too much money too haphazardly at a time when the need isn’t really apparent, but I would also want her to tell the raving foaming-at-the-mouth lunatic left that they do not win over converts through cheap intimidation tactics and incessant bullyragging[…].

End it there and I agree with every word.
lurker (59504c) — 10/4/2021 @ 4:48 pm
Brigham Young turns them out well. She won’t be at a loss as to what to say or how to turn this lemon into lemonade.
nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2021 @ 5:44 pm
Senator Sinoma will not vote against reconciliation.

If she makes it known she would vote against the budget resolution as written, and she will, it won’t be put up for a vote – even in committee. (unless Senator Schumer miscalculates about her position.)
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/4/2021 @ 7:41 pm
Brigham Young turns them out well.

nk (1d9030) — 10/4/2021 @ 5:44 pm

Well, would you rather have 5% of a man, or 100% of a woman?
norcal (b9a35f) — 10/4/2021 @ 8:24 pm
Good point, lurker. The high road is all too often forgotten in politics.
norcal (b9a35f) — 10/4/2021 @ 8:25 pm
It is erroneous to believe (and fyi, I don’t think you fall into this trap, JVW) that watching CNN and FOX News covers the spectrum of political opinion. CNN gives the lefty take, and FOX puts out the Trumpy spin.

What about the conservative Never Trump people, or the libertarians? Is there a network where their views are welcome?

The CNN/MSNBC versus FOX News comparison is a false dichotomy. I have a friend who watches both, and thinks he’s well-informed. He isn’t.
norcal (b9a35f) — 10/4/2021 @ 8:35 pm
Well, darn, but would they join Team JVW? Though I would like to see KS threaten to join R if she is harassed one..more..time..

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/campaigns/why-liberal-protest-tactics-wont-drive-manchin-and-sinema-to-become-republicans

Also made me think, could they be in on there own protests (“I stood up to the nuts on both sides”) or could it be R hires trying to agitate them out of the D party?
urbanleftbehind (b39650) — 10/5/2021 @ 4:57 am
Teams? As in playing for? Playing for both? Is that the hint you’re dropping? Betcha the whole Democrat establishment must be dying to say it out loud and holding it in fit to bust.
nk (1d9030) — 10/5/2021 @ 7:24 am
I think that’s already known about Sinemax and hence the profound disappointment from da’ Libs.
urbanleftbehind (b39650) — 10/5/2021 @ 7:28 am
I think they are not in it (what makes you think that maybe is that there are one against Manchin, bu there; s no remote possbility of electing one of them there) It’s just that protests are the best way

Manchin and Synoma differ like this: Manchin talks of negotiating and also makes public some of his positions; Synoma wants to say nothing (so they think she is afraid of being opposed by the
“progressives.”

Meanwhile Joe Biden says he’s got 99% of his own party in agreement, so why can’t it be all? In the first place, 48 out of 50 is 96%, not 99%, and secondly don’t things get harder, not easier, the closer to 100% you get?
Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 10/5/2021 @ 7:47 am

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