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8/18/2021

Moderna and Pfizer Booster Shots Coming Next Month

Filed under: General — Dana @ 8:58 am



[guest post by Dana]

NPR reports:

COVID-19 booster shots of the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are set to become available for all Americans beginning next month, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services said in a statement.

“Based on our latest assessment, the current protection against severe disease, hospitalization, and death could diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout,” HHS said Wednesday morning.

“For that reason, we conclude that a booster shot will be needed to maximize vaccine-induced protection and prolong its durability.”

The plan is set to go into effect the week of Sept. 20. In the meantime, the FDA continues “conducting an independent evaluation and determination of the safety and effectiveness of a third dose of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines and CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) issuing booster dose recommendations based on a thorough review of the evidence.”

It seems crazy that booster shots are already starting to roll out given that these states have not yet reached a 40% fully vaccinated rate: Arkansas (38.8%), Alabama (35.7%), Georgia (39.7%), Idaho (38.1%), Louisiana (38.7%), Mississippi (36.1%), West Virginia (39.3%), and Wyoming (37.6%).

–Dana

82 Responses to “Moderna and Pfizer Booster Shots Coming Next Month”

  1. Good morning.

    Dana (174549)

  2. “It seems crazy that booster shots are already starting to roll out…”

    Given the Biden Administration’s lack of a sense of urgency in other areas, no worries, it will soon slow to a crawl.

    Colonel Haiku (0c588c)

  3. Fox News’ Will Cain Suggests Covid-19 Booster Shots Are a Scam from ‘Big Pharma’

    ‘On Fox News Primetime Tuesday night, Will Cain suggested that a Pfizer study concluding that the shot becomes less effective as time goes on is simply part of a scheme to make more money.
    “Well, it’s about time to roll up your sleeves and get the jab, again,” said Cain. “The U.S. is expected to recommend a Covid-19 booster eight months after you’ve gotten the second shot.” Cain cited a Pfizer study stating that the vaccine is more effective after six months upon receiving a Pfizer booster.

    “Funny how that works,” he said. “But we’re not stupid. Big Pharma isn’t following science. It’s following the money and making an absolute killing off these vaccines.” Cain said the government is “throwing money at Big Pharma.” “A third shot could come as soon as September,” he said. “And who knows what’s after that? A fourth?”’

    – source, https://www.mediaite.com/tv/fox-news-will-cain-suggests-covid-19-booster-shots-are-a-scam-from-big-pharma/

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  4. One problem here is that there are certain people – like those taking immunosupressant drugs because of kidney transplants, for whom the vaccine did little or nothing.

    What reason is there to believe a third dose will do any good?

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  5. “The U.S. is expected to recommend a Covid-19 booster eight months after you’ve gotten the second shot.

    What they don;t say is that eight months after is probably the best time for the second shot, if what you want is maximum eventual immunity. It is also true that that extra level of immunity after the first shot probably isn’t really very important.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  6. sounds like a great idea

    let’s see how biden screws it up

    JF (e1156d)

  7. By trying harder and harder to get the holdouts in the United States vaccinated, and pretending that if he succeeds, Covid will be over.

    As Governor Disantis and others imply, we cannot fight an endless war against this virus.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  8. /sarc

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  9. Sorry, but as a 100% OG PRO GAMER I have to pass, as my religion (JOKER420X) dictates that I must never preorder, never buy on launch day, and never buy the DLC till it comes with the game.

    I know that non-gaming companies are looking to copy my cool money-making habit and its business practices, but this cash grab and compliance dance is all too transparent.

    Gamerman420 (d03950)

  10. What does this mean for vaccine mandates for employment? Are there a great many double jabbers that are no longer considered “fully vaccinated?”

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  11. Are they the sophisticated booster?

    mg (8cbc69)

  12. Here is the press release:

    https://www.hhs.gov/about/news/2021/08/18/joint-statement-hhs-public-health-and-medical-experts-covid-19-booster-shots.html

    No mention of natural immunity being studied. Only the tapering off of protection of the vaccine.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  13. 6.sounds like a great idea … let’s see how biden screws it up.

    He’s a bum – so naturally he’ll announce the booster is available as a suppository.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  14. 10. So far there are no signs that the definition of “fully vaccinated” will change, That would be in a different press release, if it happens.

    At that time, the individuals who were fully vaccinated earliest in the vaccination rollout, including many health care providers, nursing home residents, and other seniors, will likely be eligible for a booster.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  15. Still no regular approval from the FDA on the vaccine though.

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  16. Can the amateur doctors on this thread please just stop. Thank you so much.

    COVID has been around for two years. We are doing the best we can as a society. Mostly. To the extent our response has been a flashpoint in the culture war — well people who choose badly might die ugly. I guess it’s a small one rice to pay for winning the news cycle on NEWSMAX TV.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  17. DCSCA, that was an interesting link. Thank you.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  18. COVID has been around for two years. We are doing the best we can as a society. Mostly. To the extent our response has been a flashpoint in the culture war — well people who choose badly might die ugly. I guess it’s a small one rice to pay for winning the news cycle on NEWSMAX TV.

    Two years? You are making fake news! And how much rice will it cost?

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  19. Government sure had it’s nerve
    “Two weeks to flatten the curve!”
    We have to be bold
    Or so we were told
    As guinea pigs we will have to serve!

    The Limerick Avenger (3867c9)

  20. Mr Duh asked:

    What does this mean for vaccine mandates for employment? Are there a great many double jabbers that are no longer considered “fully vaccinated?”

    It means, if we allow the government to impose a vaccine mandate, the government will have the authority to order us in to Present Arms! at any time Our Betters decide that another booster shot is needed.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  21. As I said before; “they oppose it because someone they don’t like said it was a good idea.”

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  22. Oh colonel of haiku,
    How much rice have you?
    Have you stacks and stacks and stacks
    Cause you win all days says NewsMax
    Or just some angry bags of rocks
    Cause you just got dissed on Fox.

    Appalled (1a17de)

  23. Biden to require vaccines for nursing home staff

    The Biden administration will require that nursing home staff be vaccinated against COVID-19 as a condition for those facilities to continue receiving federal Medicare and Medicaid funding.
    …….
    The new mandate, in the form of a forthcoming regulation to be issued by the Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services, could take effect as soon as next month.

    Hundreds of thousands of nursing home workers are not vaccinated, according to federal data, despite those facilities bearing the brunt of the early COVID-19 outbreak and their workers being among the first in the country to be eligible for shots.
    …….

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  24. (Sorry Col. Never let a typo go to waste)

    Appalled (1a17de)

  25. Booster shots are set for 8 months after the 2nd shot, which for most people puts them into 2022. So, the idea these are being “rushed out now” isn’t really accurate.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. There are a range of reasons that people give for not being vaccinated, but that range runs from ignorant to idiotic. The best reason I have heard — the one that seems most truthful — is “I’m afraid of needles!” Everything else is downhill from that.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. For the life of me, I cannot understand how getting a vaccine is political. Would you decide on cancer treatment on the basis of who the president is? It is absolutely insane and yet we have people — right here! — doing it.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  28. Still no regular approval from the FDA on the vaccine though.

    That’s because you need top get a bunch of ass-coverers to uncover their asses.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  29. By trying harder and harder to get the holdouts in the United States vaccinated, and pretending that if he succeeds, Covid will be over.

    As Governor Disantis and others imply, we cannot fight an endless war against this virus.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c) — 8/18/2021 @ 9:40 am

    Covid will never be “over”:

    Dr. Scott Gottlieb expects coronavirus to be an ‘endemic’ virus in U.S. after delta surge
    ……
    “We’re transitioning from this being a pandemic to being more of an endemic virus, at least here in the United States and probably other Western markets,” Gottlieb said on “Squawk Box.” An endemic virus is one that remains in the American population at a relatively low frequency, like the seasonal flu, for example.
    ……
    “It’s not a binary point in time, but I think after we get through this delta wave, this is going to become more of an endemic illness where you just see sort of a persistent infection through the winter … but not at the levels that we’re experiencing certainly right now, and it’s not necessarily dependent upon the booster shots,” Gottlieb added Friday.

    Gottlieb said he expects the spread of the highly transmissible delta variant to remain noteworthy in the weeks ahead.
    ……..

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. If you missed our two top military leaders presser that just ended, you missed quite a schiffshow. I’m sure you’ll hear see and hear the lowlights though.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  31. 22…

    appalled has some gall
    it only seems like two years
    ain’t yo Uncle Ben

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  32. Booster shots are set for 8 months after the 2nd shot, which for most people puts them into 2022. So, the idea these are being “rushed out now” isn’t really accurate.

    I’m going to guess that you didn’t open the link I posted to the Administration’s statement.

    Joint Statement from HHS Public Health and Medical Experts on COVID-19 Booster Shots

    Today, public health and medical experts from the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) released the following statement on the Administration’s plan for COVID-19 booster shots for the American people.

    The statement is attributable to Dr. Rochelle Walensky, Director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC); Dr. Janet Woodcock, Acting Commissioner, Food and Drug Administration (FDA); Dr. Vivek Murthy, U.S. Surgeon General; Dr. Francis Collins, Director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH); Dr. Anthony Fauci, Chief Medical Advisor to President Joe Biden and Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID); Dr. Rachel Levine, Assistant Secretary for Health; Dr. David Kessler, Chief Science Officer for the COVID-19 Response; and Dr. Marcella Nunez-Smith, Chair of the COVID-19 Health Equity Task Force:

    “The COVID-19 vaccines authorized in the United States continue to be remarkably effective in reducing risk of severe disease, hospitalization, and death, even against the widely circulating Delta variant. Recognizing that many vaccines are associated with a reduction in protection over time, and acknowledging that additional vaccine doses could be needed to provide long lasting protection, we have been analyzing the scientific data closely from the United States and around the world to understand how long this protection will last and how we might maximize this protection. The available data make very clear that protection against SARS-CoV-2 infection begins to decrease over time following the initial doses of vaccination, and in association with the dominance of the Delta variant, we are starting to see evidence of reduced protection against mild and moderate disease. Based on our latest assessment, the current protection against severe disease, hospitalization, and death could diminish in the months ahead, especially among those who are at higher risk or were vaccinated during the earlier phases of the vaccination rollout. For that reason, we conclude that a booster shot will be needed to maximize vaccine-induced protection and prolong its durability.

    “We have developed a plan to begin offering these booster shots this fall subject to FDA conducting an independent evaluation and determination of the safety and effectiveness of a third dose of the Pfizer and Moderna mRNA vaccines and CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices (ACIP) issuing booster dose recommendations based on a thorough review of the evidence. We are prepared to offer booster shots for all Americans beginning the week of September 20 and starting 8 months after an individual’s second dose. At that time, the individuals who were fully vaccinated earliest in the vaccination rollout, including many health care providers, nursing home residents, and other seniors, will likely be eligible for a booster. We would also begin efforts to deliver booster shots directly to residents of long-term care facilities at that time, given the distribution of vaccines to this population early in the vaccine rollout and the continued increased risk that COVID-19 poses to them.

    “We also anticipate booster shots will likely be needed for people who received the Johnson & Johnson (J&J) vaccine. Administration of the J&J vaccine did not begin in the U.S. until March 2021, and we expect more data on J&J in the next few weeks. With those data in hand, we will keep the public informed with a timely plan for J&J booster shots as well.

    “Our top priority remains staying ahead of the virus and protecting the American people from COVID-19 with safe, effective, and long-lasting vaccines especially in the context of a constantly changing virus and epidemiologic landscape. We will continue to follow the science on a daily basis, and we are prepared to modify this plan should new data emerge that requires it.

    “We also want to emphasize the ongoing urgency of vaccinating the unvaccinated in the U.S. and around the world. Nearly all the cases of severe disease, hospitalization, and death continue to occur among those not yet vaccinated at all. We will continue to ramp up efforts to increase vaccinations here at home and to ensure people have accurate information about vaccines from trusted sources. We will also continue to expand our efforts to increase the supply of vaccines for other countries, building further on the more than 600 million doses we have already committed to donate globally.”

    There are more involuntary drunk drivers out there than you realize.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  33. 30.If you missed our two top military leaders presser that just ended, you missed quite a schiffshow. I’m sure you’ll hear see and hear the lowlights though.

    They should be talibanned from further government service.

    Immediately.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  34. “Unexpected evacuation challenges may occur”…

    You abandoned Bagram a few months ago, pretty sure they will occur.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  35. Scott Gottlieb has been right about all matters CV19 more than anyone else I know, and he say yes to boosters.

    Paul Montagu (5de684)

  36. Combat!

    Starring Vic Morrow and Rick Jason.

    Tonight’s Episode: Minefield!

    Guest star: Joseph Biden

    Da-da-da-da-Da-Da. =boom=

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  37. From Paul’s link:

    …The former FDA chief said the U.S. government has purchased enough vaccines to give booster shots to its entire population, stockpiling the vaccines as a “national security matter.”…

    …“My guess is sometime by September or October we will be giving booster shots to older individuals and certainly immunocompromised,” said the former Food and Drug Administration chief, currently a board member at several companies including Pfizer. “I just think we’re on a slower path here,” he said on “Squawk Box,” referring to other countries’ booster shot plans…

    I have to admit that this is the first time I read that Gottlieb was on Pfizer’s board. Normally the otherwise skeptical group that posts here would find that type of conflict to alarming. Maybe not so much anymore.

    To me it seems almost reasonable to wonder what the expiration date is on the shots they didn’t get into a bunch of arms and if part of the third shot recommendation is to clear the inventory before it spoils.

    Maybe that is the stuff of crackpots, so I won’t subscribe to it. But I still find it problematic that the company’s salesman is the preferred expert.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  38. You abandoned Bagram a few months ago, pretty sure they will occur.

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/18/2021 @ 12:58 pm

    Quite possibly the stupidest move the Biden administration has done to date.

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  39. Mr M wrote:

    Still no regular approval from the FDA on the vaccine though.

    That’s because you need top get a bunch of ass-coverers to uncover their asses.

    Thalidomide was first sold in Germany in 1957, one of the purposes for it being the treatment of morning sickness in pregnant women. It took until 1961 before people started to connect the birth defects showing up to Thalidomide.

    But Thalidomide was never approved for use by pregnant women in the United States, because one determined doctor wanted to see full studies on the long term effects, and the effects on pregnant women.

    Maybe, just maybe, the FDA is remembering its history and slow walking something that would normally take years of study before being approved.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  40. BuDuh:

    Ok, good catch on Gottlieb’s current affiliations.

    So, what’s your problem with the idea of a booster shot?? Particularly when we live in the world of the annual flu shot? Do you suspect it’s unnecessary? Are you of the immunizations don’t really work school?

    Appalled (1a17de)

  41. Maybe, just maybe, the FDA is remembering its history and slow walking something that would normally take years of study before being approved.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9) — 8/18/2021 @ 1:42 pm

    I should hope so. Until then I would hope governments and corporations would not mandate citizens and workers to take an experimental vaccine or face legal and/or monetary consequences.

    Hoi Polloi (ade50d)

  42. This imbecile is completely disconnected from reality, trying to peddle his vaccine policy ‘plan’ in a speech as his Afghanistan departure ‘plan’ collapses and people are dying.

    Remember when Reagan [yes Reagan!!!] was supposed to deliver his SOTU speech the evening of January 28, 1986, and Challenger exploded that morning? He quickly changed gears and delivered one of the better addresses of his presidency [thanks to Noonan]. No such awareness here from Stuttering Joe.

    This idiot mick is totally out of it. If he was an old collie dog you’d have him sent ‘up state to the farm.’

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  43. He’s a bum.

    And a coward.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  44. Kevin M, Some of it is pure Stupidity and tribalism. Some is based on more pragmatic concerns. There’s a frustratingly large group of people who hesitant for real life reasons. Think of a healthy 30 year old who makes 15$/hr and have paid sick leave.

    Time123 (9f42ee)

  45. 31

    Appalled did typo
    Flung rice at Col. Haiku
    Sticky mess for him

    Appalled (1a17de)

  46. Mr Murdock wrote:

    Biden to require vaccines for nursing home staff

    The Biden administration will require that nursing home staff be vaccinated against COVID-19 as a condition for those facilities to continue receiving federal Medicare and Medicaid funding.

    As I noted here, foul, fetid, fuming, foggy, filthy Philadelphia was already trying the same thing.

    Trouble is, all of these people working in health care settings have been subjected to the get the vaccine programs for months, and a large number — over 50% in some facilities, including “more than a dozen” in the City of Brotherly Love — have chosen not to comply.

    So, what will happen? Some will grit their teeth and take it, very reluctantly, and some will say, “F(ornicate) that!” and force the facilities to fire them. With the lax requirements for getting unemployment these days, they’ll still be getting paid.

    But this will leave these facilities seriously understaffed, and nursing homes have always had trouble retaining staff, because it’s depressing, nasty work. It ain’t like McDonald’s, where you can hire and train a burger flipper in a day or two; it takes two or four years to train an RN, a year to train an LPN, and one to three months to get a nursing assistant certified.

    More, since black Americans have been the most vaccine hesitant group, firing people who refuse the vaccine will mean, especially in nursing homes, firing a ‘disproportionately’ high percentage of black workers.

    The Philly regulations would include home health aides, too, so you can count on people who needed that service going without.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  47. 45…

    sushi grade, flounder
    don’t mess with Boy with Joy Toy
    Boss with the Hot Sauce

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  48. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/biden-withdraw-afghanistan-chaos-ensuing/story?id=79507930

    This is terrifying.

    He can’t even tell time anymore.

    It’s like your great grandfather insisting he was in the 101st Airborne fighting the Germans at Bastogne when in reality he was stationed at Alameda in San Francisco for the entire Second World War– in the Navy.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  49. So Biden takes to the podium and reminds us about COVID, this time booster shots in our future. Nothing about our situation in Afghanistan.

    Once again, Biden takes no questions, turns his back and wanders off stage.

    Brave Sir Robinette!

    Colonel Haiku (2601c0)

  50. @49. Wait ’til you watch his chat w/Georgie S.

    Utterly disconnected from reality– it’s frightening… and he’s going to try to bluster and blarney his way through everything like a senator.

    DCSCA (f4c5e5)

  51. Have you noticed how quiet people have gotten over Sweden lately? Where they did very little shutdown/mask mandates, if at all?

    Pretty quiet. Wonder why… might this be the reasons?

    Share of cases that are Delta: Sweden = 99.5%, US = 95.4%. About the same.

    People fully vaxxed: Sweden = 49%, US = 50%. About the same again…

    7-day avg cases per million: Sweden = 87, US = 416. Huh. Anyone care to explain that where the US in various places are masking up?

    7-day average deaths per million: Sweden = 0.01, US = 2.22. What gives? Maybe the US has more co-mobidity or more morbidly obese population… but, by THAT much factor?

    Cumulative deaths per million: Sweden = 1452, US = 1883…

    Maybe the answer is something we’ve always known about mask usage with respect to what we’ve always understood about the cold/flu viruses (which covid is in same family). In that, masks hasn’t been shown to be effective, if at all, against the ‘Rona.

    whembly (fd0490)

  52. @25

    Booster shots are set for 8 months after the 2nd shot, which for most people puts them into 2022. So, the idea these are being “rushed out now” isn’t really accurate.

    Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/18/2021 @ 12:36 pm

    *waves*

    Healthcare working here…

    Got my 2nd dose in Feb… so, I’m looking at November.

    The timeline is baffling to me.

    whembly (fd0490)

  53. Sweden’s COVID czar blames night clubs and travel abroad for rising cases
    …….
    There were 3,451 new cases of COVID-19 in Sweden last week, a 30% increase compared to the week before, the authority said, adding that at 59 cases per 100,000 people the spread of the infection was no longer at a low level.

    “We see a lot of cases with people who have been infected abroad in popular travel destinations in Europe,” state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell said in a statement, adding that 17% of new cases were linked to such tourism.

    Under Tegnell’s watch, Sweden has relied mainly on voluntary measures to stem the spread of infections, though curbs on opening hours for restaurants and limits on crowds at venues such as shopping malls had been implemented until recently.
    ……..
    He said the vaccine rollout continued according to plan, with just over 79% of adults having had at least one dose and just over 53% of adults having had two shots.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  54. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 8/18/2021 @ 12:40 pm

    For the life of me, I cannot understand how getting a vaccine is political. Would you decide on cancer treatment on the basis of who the president is? It is absolutely insane and yet we have people — right here! — doing it.

    Can you see the difference between deciding to do something and being forced to do something? You have no idea why a government mandate is political?

    Who – right here – is saying don’t get the vaccine because Biden is POTUS?

    frosty (f27e97)

  55. On Biden’s presser with George S; come on man, everything is no big deal after 4 days. You’ve just got to wait it out.

    frosty (f27e97)

  56. @56 OMG, that’s going to get a lot of play, politically.

    whembly (ae0eb5)

  57. #27 “For the life of me, I cannot understand how getting a vaccine is political.”

    Kevin – Because almost everything is in our increasingly tribal society — unfortunately. Examples: Which chicken sandwich you buy, Levis or Wranglers, whether you root for a US team in the Olympics, and so on and on and on. As far as I know, we haven’t gotten as far as gang colors yet, but we are headed in that direction.

    And because unscrupulous politicians and talkers can get support and money by aggravating those differences.

    Obama (with help from Al Sharpton and company) and Trump made this worse, but they didn’t start it.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  58. #52 Whembly – Compare Sweden, not to the United States, but to its neighbors: Norway, Denmark, and Finland — and then come back and tell us what you learned.

    (If you want a nation to compare to the United States, the obvious one is Canada.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  59. (If you want a nation to compare to the United States, the obvious one is Canada.)

    Why is that obvious?

    Hoi Polloi (998b37)

  60. If you want a nation to compare to the United States, the obvious one is Canada.

    I’m not even sure that is true anymore. The minority population in Canada is 19%, while it is 42% in the US.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  61. It is even a less of a comparison when you look at Sweden and the US. The Swedish minority population is 17% v. 42% in the US.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  62. Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/18/2021 @ 3:44 pm

    Obama (with help from Al Sharpton and company) and Trump made this worse, but they didn’t start it.

    Jimmy Carter and Tip O’Neill didl Among the Republicans, small station talk radio did. But for a long time, only the Democratic Party was completely dishonest.

    Sammy Finkelman (51cd0c)

  63. #60 and 61 – Because Canada is our neighbor and because the countries are both wealthy, urbanized multi-ethnic societies, though Canada uses different categories than our common (and increasingly outdated) tripartite categories.

    I can’t think of a nation that is more similar to the US than Canada.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  64. @64 canada doesn’t have a 2000 mile border with an unvaccinated subcontinent

    JF (e1156d)

  65. #65 No, Canada has a much longer border with a nation that was completely unvaccinated at the beginning of the pandemic — and is now only partly vaccinated. That’s why they closed the border, until just recently.

    Incidentally, since some people are obsessed with this, I will remind you that the timing suggests strongly that Mexico caught the virus from the United States, rather than the other way around. The virus showed up there weeks after it did here, the holiday peak hit there weeks after it did here, and so on.

    Mexico is beginning to catch up on COVID vaccinations, although they have a problem much like ours.

    By the beginning of June 2021, Mexico has administered 21.9 vaccine doses per 100 people which equals a total 28,506,527 doses.[1] Mexico has purchased 310.8 million vaccines doses which covers 141.2% of its population.[2]

    Wealthy Mexicans were reported to travel to the neighbouring United States for receiving their vaccinations.[3] In March, the White House announced that four million of doses of COVID-19 vaccines manufactured in the USA will be sent to Mexico.[4][5]

    In a survey conducted in March 2021, 52% of the Mexicans said that they were willing to get vaccinated against COVID-19, 20% said they were not sure and 28% said they would not get vaccinated.[6]

    On 20 April 2021, President López Obrador televised himself receiving the AstraZeneca vaccine.

    In my opinion, it is very much in our national interest — as well as being the right thing to do, not that that matters to some — to help Mexico in its vaccination effort.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  66. #60 and 61 – Because Canada is our neighbor and because the countries are both wealthy, urbanized multi-ethnic societies, though Canada uses different categories than our common (and increasingly outdated) tripartite categories.

    Your link leads to categories of national origin (Ukrainian, German, Portuguese, etc.) in the Canadian population, rather than race. You can find a similar breakdown for the US here.

    The Canadian census uses the category “visible minority population, ” each of which is a check-off box on their census form.

    Visible minority refers to whether a person belongs to a visible minority group as defined by the Employment Equity Act and, if so, the visible minority group to which the person belongs. The Employment Equity Act defines visible minorities as “persons, other than Aboriginal peoples, who are non-Caucasian in race or non-white in colour”. The visible minority population consists mainly of the following groups: South Asian, Chinese, Black, Filipino, Latin American, Arab, Southeast Asian, West Asian, Korean and Japanese.
    ……
    Visible minority is derived from responses to the Population group and Aboriginal group questions, and is defined for federal employment equity purposes.

    For example:

    The “South Asian” category includes persons who gave a mark-in response of “South Asian” only or “South Asian” and “White” only. This category also includes persons with no mark-in responses who gave a write-in response classified as “South Asian”.

    The US census uses five categories: White, Black or African American, American Indian or Alaska Native, Asian, and Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander. Persons are allowed to check more than one box and identify as more than one.

    So while Canada categorizes its minority population with a little more detail than the US, it is still substantially smaller the US minority population.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  67. Biden orders Education Department to take action against governors who ban school mask mandates
    …….
    At a news conference, Biden said his administration would not “stand by” and allow governors to prevent local districts from “keeping students safe” with masking mandates for the new academic year as cases from the delta variant of the coronavirus are skyrocketing.
    …….
    “I’m directing the secretary of education to take additional steps to protect our children,” Biden said. “This includes using all of his oversight authorities and legal action if appropriate against governors who are trying to block and intimidate local schools officials and educators.”
    …….
    In letters to the governors of Arizona, Florida, Iowa, Oklahoma, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Utah, (Education Secretary Miguel) Cardona said bans on school masking mandates are putting students at risk and “may infringe upon a school district’s authority to adopt policies to protect students and educators as they develop their safe return to in-person instruction plans required by federal law.”
    ……..
    “The department will also receive and respond as appropriate to complaints from the public, including parents, guardians, and others about students who may experience discrimination as a result of states not allowing local school districts to reduce virus transmission risk through masking requirements and other mitigation measures,” (Cardona wrote on the Department’s Homeroom Blog). “As always, the Department’s Office for Civil Rights evaluates allegations of discrimination on a case-by-case basis, looking at the specific facts of each case.

    “In addition, the Department’s Office of Special Education Programs monitors states’ implementation of the federal special education law that requires that students with disabilities receive a free, appropriate public education,” Cardona said.
    ………

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  68. #67 Rip – In most discussions among our talking heads, and in our newspapers, you’ll see three: white, black, and Hispanic, and you will see just those three in many other places, including official government documents. (I think this is wrong, but have no power to change it.)

    And I am sure it has just slipped your mind, but French Canadians are an extremely important minority in Canada. (Quebec has had a disproportionate share of COVID cases in Canada. It has about 21 percent of the population and about 38 percent of the cases.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  69. Correction: Quebec has between 22 and 23 percent of Canada’s population. (I used the population estimate for Canada and the census for Quebec in the previous comment.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  70. The interactive graph at the bottom of this site is a quick way to compare COVID among Canadian provinces — or among many nations.

    Jim Miller (edcec1)

  71. Biden orders Education Department to take action against governors who ban school mask mandates

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8) — 8/18/2021 @ 5:15 pm

    This is yet another illustration why a federal Department of Education was and is a bad idea. The federal government should limit its concerns to those that can’t be handled by the states (like printing money and providing for the common defense).

    norcal (a6130b)

  72. If you get a COVID-19 booster shot, you are raaaaacist!

    WHO Africa: COVID-19 booster shots make ‘mockery’ of equity

    NAIROBI, Kenya (AP) — Rich countries’ decisions to roll out COVID-19 booster shots while so many people across Africa remain unvaccinated “threaten the promise of a brighter tomorrow” for the continent, the Africa director for the World Health Organization said Thursday, warning that “as some richer countries hoard vaccines, they make a mockery of vaccine equity.”

    Matshidiso Moeti and other African health officials, including the Africa Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, had warned against booster shots in recent weeks as less than 2% of the population on the continent of 1.3 billion people is fully vaccinated against COVID-19.

    Moeti noted that the latest resurgence in cases across Africa is leveling off and more vaccine doses are finally arriving on the continent, but “Africa is encountering headwinds” as rich countries like the United States decide to roll out booster shots.

    The situation in Africa remains “very fragile” as the more infectious delta variant is now dominant in most of the continent’s 54 countries, she said. More than 7.3 million cases, including more than 186,000 deaths, have been confirmed across the continent and health systems are straining to provide medical oxygen and other care.

    There’s more at the original.

    The libertarian, but not Libertarian, Dana (3867c9)

  73. But Thalidomide

    Every homicidal delay has that as its rallying cry. If these vaccines had been approved in August of 2020, several hundred thousand fewer Americans would have died. And they knew in August they would stop Covid and probably wouldn’t kill people.

    But Thalidomide! Jesus wept.

    (which, btw, is currently in use, on label, to delay the end for some cancer patients, for the same reason it caused birth defects.)

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  74. Think of a healthy 30 year old who makes 15$/hr and have paid sick leave.

    Well, he should have stayed on Joe’s dole if that was his reason. I know some $15/hr workers who made more than that after being furloughed.

    More like: Bill’s waiting for his aged rich aunt to kick the bucket, and thinks that passing along Covid might be the ticket.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  75. Trouble is, all of these people working in health care settings have been subjected to the get the vaccine programs for months, and a large number — over 50% in some facilities, including “more than a dozen” in the City of Brotherly Love — have chosen not to comply.

    Then they should be fired for endangering their charges. For the nursing home to NOT fire them is gross negligence and possibly criminal. Not only will the cursing home be reamed by liability lawyers, but the managers could do serious prison time.

    Two years down the line, a jury that hears that patients were dying in nursing homes due to infected staff who refused vaccinations is going to empty the bank accounts of the Atrias and Sunrises of the world.

    Oh, maybe not the publicly run ones. One reason not to be in one of those.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  76. *nursing hone, not cursing home. Freudian slip.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  77. Mr “Libertarian” Dana:

    Do you think nursing homes should be required to post the percentage of staff that is vaccinated, so that clients could judge the risk? What do you thin would happen if kids found that the nursing home they were paying to care for their parents was only 40% vaccinated? So they don’t.

    I am happy to report that, after several times refusing to comment when I asked, the local medical conglomerate I patronize has ordered all its workers to vaccinate. I guess they got tired of refusing to comment or repeating some mealy-moused privacy drivel.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  78. Do you think nursing homes should be required to post the percentage of staff that is vaccinated, so that clients could judge the risk?

    I do. I also think that their date of achieving full vaccination and the brand of vaccine they chose should be posted as well. In addition their booster shot schedule needs to be posted.

    That way, if a kid finds out that the caregiver had reached the end of the 8 month effective period, and didn’t care enough to get revaccinated, he can sue the crap out of everyone when his loved one gets ill.

    BuDuh (fdd65e)

  79. And I am sure it has just slipped your mind, but French Canadians are an extremely important minority in Canada. (Quebec has had a disproportionate share of COVID cases in Canada. It has about 21 percent of the population and about 38 percent of the cases.)

    Jim Miller (edcec1) — 8/18/2021 @ 5:28 pm

    A cultural (and separatist) minority, but again, not a racial minority.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  80. New anti-vaxx argument (or at least new to me): vaccines cause virus mutations and therefore endanger the naturally immune.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  81. That way, if a kid finds out that the caregiver had reached the end of the 8 month effective period, and didn’t care enough to get revaccinated, he can sue the crap out of everyone when his loved one gets ill.

    He can do that anyway.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)


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