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Biden, Trump, And The Undecideds

Filed under: General — Dana @ 10:24 am

[guest post by Dana]

Axios reports why no one should count Trump out just yet, and why he could still take the election:

He’s doing better in some swing-state polls than he was at this point in 2016. And his floor of support holds strong, regardless of what he says or does.

Not only is the stock market on fire, but a lot of blue-collar workers in building, plumbing and other manual crafts are doing quite well, too.

Trump’s big bet is that there are a lot of working class voters, especially in rural areas, who did not vote in 2016 but will this time.

His other bet is that months of dumping on Joe Biden, often with lies or wild hyperbole, will do what he did to Hillary Clinton: Make the Democratic nominee seem slightly more unpalatable than himself.

The New York Times profiled a swath of Trump’s steadfast supporters who “outlined myriad reasons for wanting to re-elect him, ranging from the pragmatic … to a gut-level attraction to his hard-nosed personality.”

And the “social desirability” factor in polling — do we tell the blunt truth? — is a huge unknown this year because of the new attention to racial issues.

Behind the scenes: People in Trump’s orbit feel much better about the race than they did in mid-June.

These officials feel the operation is becoming more disciplined, and is more centered around a message — that Biden and Sen. Kamala Harris embrace leftist policies, and won’t stand up to the violent excesses of the far left.

An interesting difference between Joe Biden and Donald Trump is the likability factor. Trump supporters discount this as anything meaningful. When asked about how likable they think Trump is, there is often a reflexive and vigorous defense offered: “Well, he may not be likable, but he tells it like it is!”. And it’s true: 2016 certainly showed us that a swath of Americans not only didn’t mind, but actually embraced a bombastic blowhard who offends people on a seemingly daily basis. But clearly, likability matters to voters. Consider who Trump ran against in 2016. I think it’s pretty safe to say that Hillary Clinton has never topped any list of most likable politicians or public figures. Just ask Barack Obama. During the 2016 election campaign, no matter how hard (and awkwardly) she tried to convince us that she wasn’t a shrill and disapproving scold, we saw through it because history had already taught us otherwise. Biden, however, is a different animal. People like Biden, not just as a politician, but as a person. He has created long-lasting friendships with people from all walks of life as well as from across the political aisle. He has a likability quotient that Hillary could only dream about.

Anyway, the report points to a recent Wall Street Journal/NBC poll looking at the undecideds who could help close the Biden-Trump gap to Trump’s benefit:

A recent Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll revealed that just 13% of voters say their vote is up for grabs in the presidential election. That is compared with 50% who say there is no chance they will support President Trump and 37% who say there is no chance they will support presumptive Democratic nominee Joe Biden.

The up-for-grabs or persuadable voters are people who said that they currently don’t support either Mr. Trump or Mr. Biden or that they back one candidate but still might vote for the other. The small size of that group underscores the divisions in the nation’s politics. Still, they could have an outsize impact on the results. For Mr. Trump, who had 40% of support from all registered voters in the poll to Mr. Biden’s 51%, winning them over is one pathway to close the gap.

“Right now, Trump’s down 11 points. This is a group he’s got to run the table with. He’s got to win all of them,” said Democratic pollster Jeff Horwitt, who worked on the survey with Republican Bill McInturff.

An important note:

It also found Trump’s standing with Hispanics is as good if not better than 2016 — and had improved his image by 20 points among whites, who are more than 70% of the electorate.

And from this week, a reminder about how the undecideds helped push Trump to victory in 2016, and why they are just as critical in 2020:

As stark as the differences are between Donald Trump and Joe Biden, millions of Americans can’t seem to choose between them. They’re the 10 percent of prospective voters who, with less than three months to go until the election, are still technically “undecided:” They haven’t made up their minds between the Republican and Democratic nominees, currently back third-party candidates or, at this point, just don’t care. Analysts say there are fewer undecideds this year than in 2016, when a surge of last-minute converts to Trump among them helped decide the election. But it’s still a sizable enough cohort—particularly in key battleground states—to potentially determine the 2020 result. “They are a relatively small population but they are certainly enough to alter the outcome,” says Chris Jackson, head of public polling at Ipsos.

Question: Does Trump readjust his tone and messaging to reach the undecideds, and if he does, will anyone buy it and see it as being genuine?:

For Trump, trailing by eight points on average in the most recent polls, these undecideds present both an opportunity and a risk. Should he stick with the bombastic, polarizing persona that keeps his base energized or moderate his policies and tone in an attempt to woo undecideds—and possibly alienate his most fervent supporters?

And I’ll just mention that tonight is the third night of the Republican convention. Scheduled speakers include:

Vice President Mike Pence
Second Lady Karen Pence
Tennessee Sen. Marsha Blackburn
Iowa Sen. Joni Ernst
South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem
Texas Rep. Dan Crenshaw
New York Rep. Elise Stefanik
New York Rep. Lee Zeldin
Former Acting Director of National Intelligence Richard Grenell
Kellyanne Conway, counselor to the president
Keith Kellogg, the vice president’s national security adviser
North Carolina congressional candidate Madison Cawthorn
Civil rights activist Clarence Henderson
Lara Trump, wife of Eric Trump and a campaign advisor on Trump’s re-election campaign

Also speaking tonight, but not on the list, will be Trump’s press secretary Kayleigh McEnany. According to reports, she will be sharing her “personal story”.


73 Responses to “Biden, Trump, And The Undecideds”

  1. Hello.

    Dana (292df6)

  2. A good friend and neighbor has tested positive for Covid-19. Biden could shoot somebody on Michigan Avenue in broad daylight and not lose my vote. Trump has to go.

    nk (1d9030)

  3. Well, that’s one way to look at it…

    Dana (292df6)

  4. ‘People like Biden, not just as a politician, but as a person.’


    Read it. Absolutely damning piece by Liz Peek. He’s the kind of plagiarizing pond scum that can only thrive in a Swamp– or Hollywood.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  5. I’m surprised that there are that many undecideds. What are they waiting for? You couldn’t have to more opposing candidates ffrom which to choose. Whether personality, policy, or experience levels, they really are quite a distance from each other.

    Dana (292df6)

  6. @5

    I’m surprised that there are that many undecideds. What are they waiting for? You couldn’t have to more opposing candidates ffrom which to choose. Whether personality, policy, or experience levels, they really are quite a distance from each other.

    Dana (292df6) — 8/26/2020 @ 10:45 am

    Because most people really don’t patient attention to politics until much closer to the elections.

    That’s why grassroots and campaigning are crucial to success. These politicians need to break through this “political apathy” and create that preference cascade on election night.

    whembly (c30c83)

  7. I watched most of the RNC convention last night and it was really, REALLY well done.

    The DNC hatefest last week, imo, has been scrubbed of memory.

    whembly (c30c83)

  8. My daughter is starting college this week. We got a notification of the school’s “If Your Student Tests Positive” policy. So did a lot of other “suburban housewives”. Let’s see if Trump can sell that as Biden’s fault to them.

    nk (1d9030)

  9. Some Trump fans are credulously pointing to a poll suggesting that the President could win between 18-24% of the votes of black men this time around. Even if it is overblown, there is apparently some rumbling among Democrats and their media adjunct that he could improve upon his 2016 showing, in which he won 8% of the black vote. If he gets to 18% among black men, even with black women overwhelmingly voting for Joe Biden (as they did Hillary Clinton), the President would probably still win 10% or so of the black vote. I would imagine that would cause huge problems for the Biden campaign in the midwest, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina.

    JVW (ee64e4)

  10. Democrats highlight controversies facing convention speaker Burgess Owens
    Democrats sought Wednesday to highlight plagiarism allegations and other controversies involving Burgess Owens, a Republican congressional candidate from Utah and a former professional football player with a speaking slot on Wednesday’s convention program.

    “Plagiarist & QAnnon Conspiracist Burgess Owens to Speak at RNC,” the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee said in an email blasted to reporters regarding the issues at hand.

    On Tuesday, Media Matters, an organization that scrutinizes conservative media, detailed a dozen passages in Owens’s most recent book, “Why I Stand: From Freedom to the Killing Fields of Socialism,” in which he appeared to lift material from sources including Wikipedia and blogs.

    This year, Burgess came under scrutiny for having appeared on “The Common Sense Show,” a YouTube program that is affiliated with QAnon. While Owens did not directly talk about the baseless conspiracy theory, he thanked the hosts “for all you guys are doing because I’m just part of the team.”
    In their release targeting Owens, the DCCC also noted that he helped raise money for an organization called We Build the Wall. Last week, Stephen K. Bannon, a former Trump adviser, was arrested after prosecutors alleged he and others had used money for personal expenses that had been privately raised for border wall construction.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  11. Vote for Biden and reward the arsonists, rioters and insurrectionists. Support the gun confiscators, those who won’t support your right to defend yourself, and those who want to destroy your job, your livelihood and your life. Vote for Biden and it’s all yours.

    NJRob (eb56c3)

  12. 5. I’m surprised that there are that many undecideds.

    Well, it’s a fork in the road. One leads backwards to a known destination- the other forward, across a bridge to some place– or no place.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  13. America was founded by insurrectionists.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  14. RNC Speaker Facing Federal Charges Of Insider Trading
    Jack Brewer, a member of Black Voices for Trump who is scheduled to speak at the Republican National Convention on Wednesday, was charged with insider trading by the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) earlier this month.

    Brewer is a former National Football League player, who went on to work in financial services. The SEC alleges he sold 100,000 shares in a penny stock, because he had inside information that the company’s share price was likely to drop. The charges, filed August 6, are civil – not criminal. The SEC is seeking financial penalties, a return of “all ill-gotten gains he received directly or indirectly,” and a permanent ban on Brewer “from participating in any offering of a penny stock.”
    Brewer has become a prominent supporter of President Trump’s reelection, making frequent appearances on Fox News, and tweeting that “Trump has done more for blacks than any [President] since Lincoln.” At a White House event in February, Brewer called Trump, “the first Black President.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  15. Media matters is straight up garbage, go attaight into the toilet with raw story.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  16. ‘A video is making the rounds in which Biden boasts at a 1987 rally, “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship…[and] ended up in the top half of my class.”

    Biden also maintained that he “graduated with three degrees from undergraduate school” and was the “outstanding student in the political science department.”

    Not one of those claims was true, as newscasters at the time affirmed. In fact, Biden graduated 76th of 85 students in his law school class, had only a partial scholarship and did not win top honors in his undergraduate discipline.’ source,

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  17. ‘Biden’s 1987 campaign foundered also because he was caught lifting passages of a speech given by Neil Kinnock. Biden echoed (falsely) the British Labor leader’s history that he was the first “in a thousand generations” to graduate from college and repeated virtually verbatim the same story about his wife, just as Kinnock had.

    More shocking, Biden claimed: “My ancestors…worked in the coal mines of Northeast Pennsylvania and would come up after 12 hours and play football for four hours,’’ even though no one in Biden’s family tree ever worked underground. That was Kinnock’s family.

    It wasn’t the first time; Biden had also been caught plagiarizing during law school. He “borrowed” an entire five pages from a published law review article without attribution and had to beg not to be expelled.’ -source,

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  18. DCSA – by now you should know that decades of eating paste when no one has been looking has rotted what little brain cells Biden had at birth.

    Hoi Polloi (093fb9)

  19. ‘But Biden’s tendency to mislead did not expire in 1988. More recently, the former vice president has told audiences that after his stint in the White House, “I became a teacher. I became a professor.” While it is true that he took a lofty salary to make a handful of speeches for the University of Pennsylvania, Biden has never taught students.

    Then there was the inspiring tale of visiting Afghanistan to honor a heroic naval officer. Biden described the officer’s actions in detail, adding, “This is God’s truth, my word as a Biden.” But according to a review in the Washington Post, no such incident occurred. Biden was lucky not to be hit by lightning.

    There were also Biden’s claims of having been arrested in the 1970s because he tried to visit Nelson Mandela in prison. Nope, didn’t happen. He has also cast himself as a civil rights activist and co-sponsor of the Endangered Species Act; those things aren’t true either.’ -source,

    And this twit has been in government nearly half-a-century.

    Sure, Trump’s a showman and as a character, a complete scumbag, but after 50 years, Joe Biden does not elicit confidence as a source for solutions in the 21st century.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  20. “America was founded by insurrectionists.”

    – Rip Murdock

    Insurrection is only good when white people do it.


    Leviticus (efada1)

  21. What are they waiting for?
    Dana (292df6) — 8/26/2020 @ 10:45 am

    Speaking only for myself; intellectually, I waited to be persuaded. Emotionally, I waited to be wooed, Spiritually, I waited for an answer in the silence of my heart. Some take longer than others, in part*, due to the inner-struggle between faith** and doubt.

    * Ignorance and indifference, inter alia.
    ** I do not capitalize “faith” because even atheists have faith – just not in God.

    felipe (023cc9)

  22. Well said, Felipe.

    Dustin (5418f4)

  23. Suspect Charged With Murder After 2 Shot Dead At Kenosha Protest

    The suspect, 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse, was reportedly arrested in his hometown of Antioch, Illinois, and charged with first-degree murder on Wednesday. Police had been searching for him after a man holding a long gun was captured on video shooting several people during the protests and then fleeing the scene.
    The third night of demonstrations appeared to turn deadly when heavily armed white vigilantes entered into the mix.

    Investigators say they are focusing on a group of men with guns who were lined up outside some businesses a few blocks down the road from the courthouse, Beth told The New York Times. Ostensibly, the vigilantes were there to “protect” businesses from fires that had been set during previous nights of demonstrations.

    A now-deleted Facebook page that appears to belong to Rittenhouse featured almost exclusively pro-police imagery and photos of the suspect carrying guns. At some point he changed his profile image to a “Blue Lives Matter” sign and held a fundraiser for a police nonprofit called “Humanizing The Badge.”

    Militia members may have been drawn to the city through a Facebook post by a group calling itself the Kenosha Guard, which encouraged “patriots” to “take up arms and defend our city tonight from the evil thugs,” The Verge reported. It was unclear whether the suspect belonged to any militia groups.

    In one video circulating social media, a person with a long gun is jogging down a main road when he appears to trip, firing off shots at protesters around him before getting up and trotting toward police vehicles (in the video, embedded below, one person falls to the ground after approaching the shooter and does not get up).

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  24. A now-deleted Facebook page that appears to belong to Rittenhouse featured almost exclusively pro-police imagery and photos of the suspect carrying guns. At some point he changed his profile image to a “Blue Lives Matter” sign and held a fundraiser for a police nonprofit called “Humanizing The Badge.”

    Yes, Ruby though he was chummy w/t cops and doing the ‘right’ thing, too.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  25. If you take the Real Clear Politics “No Tossups” map, which has Biden winning, and flip PA, OH & FL — states Biden leads by small margins, you get Biden at 270 to Trump with 268. Anything else that moves to Trump wins it for him (WI, AZ to name two).

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  26. Of course the challenge is for Trump to be less stupid and offensive than his opponents.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  27. Insurrection is only good when white people do it.

    When you win, it’s not treason.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  28. I haven’t watched a political convention in three decades. Aren’t they just lengthy infomercials featuring people not hot enough for show business? I like beer, but I couldn’t watch three hours of beer ads a night, and beer ads often feature bikini clad hotties. The conventions provide no factual information just gut appeals.

    Fred (c79e7f)

  29. Trump calls for drug tests before Biden debate
    President Trump says he will call for drug tests for both former Vice President Joe Biden and himself before the first candidates’ debate on Sept. 29. In an Oval Office interview Wednesday, the president expressed suspicion at what he said was a sudden, marked improvement in Biden’s debate performance during the Democratic primary season and suggested that he believes the improvement was the result of drugs. The president offered no evidence to support his speculation.

    Biden took part in 11 debates during the primary season. Most were against a crowded field of candidates, but the final debate, on March 15, was just Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders. The president claimed to see a big difference between the last debate and those that came before.
    Q: “Is this like a prizefight, where beforehand you have a test?”

    “Well, it is a prizefight,” Trump answered. “It’s no different from the gladiators, except we have to use our brain and our mouth. And our body to stand. I want all standing; they want to sit down.”

    Trump based his call entirely on his own observations and not on any actual knowledge of Biden’s actions. “All I can tell you is that I’m pretty good at this stuff,” he said. “I look. I watched him in the debates with all of the different people. He was close to incompetent, if not incompetent, and against Bernie, he was normal … and I say, ‘How does that happen?'”

    …….Trump gave no indication of when he would make his drug test request or to whom, but he appeared to know that there is little chance such a thing would happen. “I think it’s appropriate,” Trump said. “I don’t know that they’ll let me do it, but I think that they should do it.”

    “Go back and watch his performances in some of those debates,” Trump continued. “He didn’t know where he was. And all of a sudden, he was not good, he was normal, and I don’t understand how. I don’t know if there is or not, but somebody said to me, ‘He must be on drugs.’ I don’t know if that’s true or not, but I’m asking for a drug test. Both candidates. Me, too. I take an aspirin a day.”

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  30. “I went to law school on a full academic scholarship…[and] ended up in the top half of my class.”

    My former law partner used to say that everything in life is a bell-shaped curve. He also used to say that 90% of the people are not in the top 10%.

    If Joe Biden thinks that lie is flattering to him, then he really is senile.

    Bored Lawyer (7b72ec)

  31. 29.Trump calls for drug tests before Biden debate


    A Juiced JoeyBee is a distinct possibility.

    Eisenhower went to Korea. Will Biden go to Kenosha?

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  32. With Kellyanne gone, who will give Trump his wet diaper test?

    nk (1d9030)

  33. With Kellyanne gone, who will give Trump his wet diaper test?
    nk (1d9030) — 8/26/2020 @ 3:57 pm


    felipe (023cc9)

  34. Tee-hee!

    nk (1d9030)

  35. Trump goes dark on TV as early voting looms

    Donald Trump is getting pummeled on the TV airwaves, alarming Republicans and prompting the president’s allies to plead for outside help.

    August has been a blowout: Trump has been outspent on TV more than 2-to-1 over the past month, according to the media tracking firm Advertising Analytics. And in the past two weeks, Joe Biden is outpacing the president more than 5-to-1.

    …… Trump has ceded the airwaves in Michigan and Pennsylvania, where he’s gone dark in August. In Wisconsin, Trump has been outgunned more than 8-to-1.

    It’s a jarring turn of events for a reelection effort that has long promoted itself as a financial powerhouse and until recently had a heavy TV presence. And it’s exceedingly rare to see a sitting president go dark so close to an election. But the Trump campaign has seen its long-standing cash advantage over Biden dwindle to just about $20 million, according to the most recent financial disclosures, even as Biden pours money into commercials.
    Yet it has worried senior Republicans, who argue the reelection effort erred by allowing Biden’s message to go unchallenged. Among Trump allies, there is a growing desire to see a super PAC fill the void. Many in the president’s sphere have long expressed dissatisfaction with America First Action, the principal pro-Trump outside group which has been outspent by its Biden-aligned rival.
    Yet even in most of those early voting states, Biden has dominated Trump. The former vice president spent more than three times as much as the president in North Carolina — where absentee voting begins next week — as well as in Florida and Arizona.

    The one state where Trump outpaced Biden was Georgia, where the president’s team made a small investment. Losing Georgia would likely signal a catastrophic election for Trump, who carried the state by 5 percentage points in 2016.

    The Trump campaign was also absent in Ohio and Nevada.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  36. Sailor Investigated for Arson After Burning of Navy Warship

    A sailor is being investigated for arson in the fire that engulfed the warship U.S.S. Bonhomme Richard in July, according to a senior Navy official who did not want to speak publicly during the inquiry.

    The Naval Criminal Investigative Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives have focused their investigation on one sailor from that ship, the official said. No motive has been identified and no one has been charged, the official said.
    The fire that rendered the ship inoperative began on July 12 while it was pierside at a Navy base in San Diego. More than 400 sailors from 16 nearby ships fought the blaze, which reached temperatures of 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit and took four days to extinguish.

    Rip Murdock (d2a2a8)

  37. @36. A general question- just wondering, in this day and age is an asset like the U.S.S. Bonhomme Richard insured by the DoD??

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  38. Lou Holtz is going to speak tonite. That should be a hoot.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  39. Oh my. Lou’s been sucking on some lemons.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  40. DCSCA (797bc0) — 8/26/2020 @ 6:14 pm

    I liked the way He closed. Would you be missed if you didn’t show up? Great stuff, strong close. Who cares about his speaking voice?

    felipe (023cc9)

  41. @40. This is true. He was just looking a little ‘sour.’ But it was a solid presentation.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  42. South Dakota governor praises First Lady’s speech, says ‘no mother in this country’ wants to raise children in Democratic-led cities

    Oh, really? How many mothers are raising children in her state? Besides coyote mothers, gopher mothers, and rattlesnake mothers, that is. These people!

    There was video of Melania doing her Zsa Zsa impression at that same link. Is she getting an encore?

    nk (1d9030)

  43. I’d really like to know who the producer is of this. They’ve been doing a great job.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  44. That’s funny. Thought of Zsa Zsa; definitely more her than Eva.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  45. Rocco Siffredi?

    nk (1d9030)

  46. Sorry about your friend/neighbor, nk. Here’s to a complete, quick recovery.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  47. Thank you, Paul.

    nk (1d9030)

  48. Melania doing her Zsa Zsa impression – nk (1d9030) — 8/26/2020 @ 6:37 pm

    Yep. Melania’s voice sounded to me like Zsa Zsa’s, as well. “Lisa!”

    felipe (023cc9)

  49. OT but Laura is ballooning into a helluva nasty storm. Hope everybody along the Gulf is safe and secure.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  50. There is no Hurricane Laura, DCSCA. It’s a Democrat hoax to keep President Trump from fully participating in the Convention, and to distract the country’s attention from his beautiful speeches. He talked to the Weather Service and they told him they have the storm contained, and they reached a beautiful deal to have beautiful weather on Election Day.

    nk (1d9030)

  51. Really disco where is your snark from 2017 over harvey, but truly ‘there but for the grace of god, go we’

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  52. Your daily reminder for those not opting for willful ignorance:

    US % of world population: ≈4
    US % of world COVID deaths: ≈22

    Heckuva job, Donnie. I don’t know how you do it with all that time you spend fighting Russia’s interference in our elections.

    (I’m now up to five infected friends, two of whom survive. One’s fine, the other has difficulty breathing and no sense of taste 12 wks later.)

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  53. @50. Really hope the folks in Texas and along the LA/Gulf area are prepared. CNN just reported it’s worse than Katrina and just a few mph., short of a CAT 5. Really blew up fast into a monster storm. Warm waters. This could be a spinning-win for Trump–if he doesn’t say salt water kills Covid-19 and the wind will blow it away into Mexico–and shows up in Galveston to toss paper towels out to people.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  54. @51. Snark? Screw the Sandy-denier, Cruz. Sympathies to the Lousiana coastline. God is giving Cruz payback, daily– by making him live up Trump’s butt.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  55. You just want to see Melania in a sou’wester and high heels.

    nk (1d9030)

  56. @55. Ahhhh, to dream: wind swept and lovely.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  57. Another riot in minneapolis, thanks to some bogus ‘witnesses’, like palliwood north

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  58. Sorry for your friends, but you think there is some magic solution that prevents all spread.

    Bolivar di griz (7404b5)

  59. There is no miracle, narciso? It is what it is?

    nk (1d9030)

  60. Radio-talk-show Pence is on the air. He knows how to use that skill in the TeeVee medium.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  61. Damn, lurker. Tragic.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  62. Thanks Paul. It’s hard to watch. I’m sure I’ve known more than five people who had cancer, but not in six months.

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  63. I know a half-dozen people personally who caught the virus and survived, and they are all from my current and prior churches. All were hit pretty hard and a couple were touch-and-go (in the ICU), but they all pulled through. So, from what I know, CV19 kicks you in the a$$.
    I was also involved in valuing the estate of a guy who didn’t make it, and it was sad to see the people who grieved for him. It couldn’t be clearer to me that we should take this thing seriously, which is why it’s so frustrating to see this president and his enablers not do so.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  64. It’s great that all of them survived. I wonder if they’re younger than my friends. (All five, deceased and survivors were/are 50’s and early 60’s).

    lurker (d8c5bc)

  65. Is there any reason we should trust the 2020 poll numbers? The 2016 polls were garbage. Did anything change in how they do the polls over the last 4 years?

    Mattsky (55d339)

  66. Really looking forward to another basement bunker ‘Max Headroom’ video from Plagiarist JoeyBee empathizing w/t storm victims– which they won’t see because their power is off.

    DCSCA (797bc0)

  67. I wonder if they’re younger than my friends. (All five, deceased and survivors were/are 50’s and early 60’s).

    A couple are in their 50s, another couple in their 60s, and the two who spent a few weeks in the ICU were late 70s or early 80s. Out of them all, the oldest couple were the most physically fit, which is probably why they survived.

    Paul Montagu (a2078e)

  68. “ I know a half-dozen people personally who caught the virus and survived..”

    You know more than that, the ones you are unaware of didn’t know they had it.

    The ranching community where I own a small farm got slammed by the Chinese Virus for some reason. Over 20 people within five miles got sick and tested positive. None died. Others in their immediate circles also tested positive but were asymptomatic.

    One local in his late 80s got it a couple months ago and everyone told him he was a goner. They even had a Group FaceTime call so everyone could tell him goodbye. He had a bad cough for a week but never even had to be admitted to a hospital.

    The person who got nailed the worst there was a local meth head dairy worker who also did not go to the hospital but instead chose to fight the killer bug with booze and other home remedies. He pulled through too.

    harkin (cd4502)

  69. “ It’s great that all of them survived. I wonder if they’re younger than my friends. (All five, deceased and survivors were/are 50’s and early 60’s).“

    One of the more remarkable stats I’ve read about the virus is that the average age of Americans who died from the virus is higher than the current male US life expectancy.

    harkin (cd4502)

  70. Really looking forward to another basement bunker ‘Max Headroom’ video from Plagiarist JoeyBee empathizing w/t storm victims– which they won’t see because their power is off.

    Ideally, John Bel Edwards doesnt let him on the stage, should Biden find enough medication gumption and a crate of Depends. For better or worse it’s a 2024 audition for JBE, provided the Dem party can find its vintage Carville soul again.

    urbanleftbehind (5f9c18)

  71. ‘no mother in this country’ wants to raise children in Democratic-led cities

    Beverly Hills and Santa Monica are fairly comfortable, and the cops are very polite.

    Kevin M (ab1c11)

  72. The 2016 polls were garbage.


    The 2016 national polls predicted the popular vote within better than 2%. Better than in 2012.

    Also, on the morning of election day Trump was within one battleground state of victory according to the RealClearPolitics poll averages.

    And he won the states that put him over the top by a tiny fraction of a percent.

    Dave (1bb933)

  73. @72. Fact: Hillary though she’d won– right up to the night she lost.


    He’s just a Love Machine; And he won’t work for nobody but you:

    DCSCA (797bc0)

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