Looking for Peace Among the Riots
Insanity reigns today. Trump was rushed to an underground bunker Friday night. Yesterday he declared, in response to domestic actions, that he would designate ANTIFA a terrorist organization — which he cannot do because it is not foreign. The U.S. can prosecute terrorist acts but cannot designate a domestic organization as a terrorist organization.
The United States of America has no legal authority to designate *any* domestic entities as “terrorist organizations.” https://t.co/NniZjEwaJl
— Steve Vladeck (@steve_vladeck) May 31, 2020
Innocent shopkeepers are beaten as celebrities and Biden staffers ostentatiously offer to bail out those arrested in the riots.
Wondering which celebrities would like to bail out these fellas?https://t.co/1IigqIjYig
— Ben Sixsmith (@BDSixsmith) May 31, 2020
Never mind the fact that many of the protesters are peaceful and are actually angry at the people, which in some cases are white punks on skateboards, who are vandalizing and looting — and in many cases protesters are fighting to prevent the looting and vandalism.
Some protestors in Brooklyn calling to loot the Target, but organizers are rushing in front of the store to stop them, keep things non-violent #nycprotest pic.twitter.com/6x70cpcjep
— Andrew Solender (@AndrewSolender) May 31, 2020
@TayAndersonCO in an altercation on the streets of Denver.  pic.twitter.com/u78fQdz1Yo
— Joshua Rodriguez (@Joshuajered) May 30, 2020
No matter; these knucklehead celebrities and Biden staffers still want the worst elements back on the street — ASAP.
Police cars are on fire everywhere. My son and I played basketball earlier than we had planned yesterday evening because of the countywide curfew to take effect at 6 p.m. Today all courthouses in Los Angeles County are closed as the area braces for whatever is coming next.
I keep thinking of the Gospel reading from yesterday. Particularly this part:
On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
Receive the Holy Spirit. Forgive others their sins as you would have them forgive yours.
Peace be with you.
Just another example of Donald J. Trump’s blithering idiocy.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:39 amI note that Culver City was not attacked. Wasn’t attacked in 1992, either, although L.A. buildings near it burned. Do you suppose that civic attitudes matter in this?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:44 amTrump does nothing. Biden’s people give money to the rioters. Pretty much the whole debate in a nutshell.
I would prefer a President that could think, or act, or at least speak coherently. But I’ll take a bag of rocks over a president who’s actively helping the other side.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:47 am2. Civic attitudes are crucial in sustaining a city.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:49 am#NotALawyer…
Antifa *is* an international movement that does seem to have some funding stream(s). They’re everywhere in Europe for example.
How are they different enough from other international terrorist (ie, ISIS/Hamas) organizations in that labeling them an international terrorist organization wouldn’t apply???
Furthermore, is something like that really needed? Don’t we have existing laws, like RICO, that can be used here? Or, similar laws like anti-mafia statutes?
whembly (c30c83) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:53 am@3
I’m not sure Trump is doing “nothing”.
Not sure what else he could do, as in a federal system the states need to request help from the Feds.
Or, do you consider all the riots under the Insurrection Act?
How is Trump “actively helping the other side”??
whembly (c30c83) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:56 amHow is Trump “actively helping the other side”??
WOW! Hard to see how you could have misread that, but you did.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:57 amSen. Cotton suggests use of Army division that specializes in air assaults to quell protests
…….
“ If local law enforcement is overwhelmed and needs backup, let’s see how tough these Antifa terrorists are when they’re facing off with the 101st Airborne Division,” Cotton said in one tweet, referencing the Army division nicknamed the “Screaming Eagles.”
In a subsequent tweet, the senator listed other military units that he said could be deployed, saying he favors “whatever it takes to restore order.”
Rip Murdock (90b76a) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:57 am………
Not a surprise, since he served in the 101st…..
Great slide show here. Those looters don’t really look like alt-right hooligans.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-06-01/lapd-tactics-during-protests-critiqued
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:58 amThe 101st was used by Ike to enforce desegregation orders at Central High in Little Rock.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/central-high-school-integrated
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:01 amwhembly is right. It is not only ultra vires, “without authority” (or “without manhood” really, choose your Latin), it is unnecessary. Just posturing, that’s all.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:01 amYeah…misread you. My bad.
whembly (c30c83) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:03 amThe terrorist designation, though probably meaningless domestically, is not really aimed at Antifa per se. I think the goal is to discredit journalists who use Antifa as sources, and who routinely and comically call them “anti-fascists” and generally treat them with kid gloves. It’s a total PR move, and in that context it may be effective.
beer ‘n pretzels (7d3bfd) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:04 amTrump slams governors as ‘weak,’ urges crackdown on protests
President Donald Trump on Monday derided the nation’s governors as “weak” and demanded tougher crackdowns on protesters in the aftermath of another night of violent protests in dozens of American cities.
Trump spoke to governors on a video teleconference with law enforcement and national security officials, telling the local leaders they “have to get much tougher” amid nationwide protests and criticizing their responses.
“Most of you are weak,” Trump said. “You have to arrest people.”
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The president told the governors they were making themselves “look like fools” for not calling up more of the National Guard as a show for force on city streets.
Attorney General Bill Barr, who was also on the call, told governors that a joint terrorist task force would be used to track the agitators and urged local officials to “dominate” the streets and control, not react to crowds, and urged them to “go after troublemakers.”
Rip Murdock (90b76a) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:04 am…….
Trump continued his effort to project strength, using a series of inflammatory tweets and delivering partisan attacks during a time of national crisis.
……..
Trump can only send angry, provocative tweets. He can’t express any other emotion.
Don’t blame the people who bail out the rioters. Some of the rioters may be lawful protesters or innocent bystanders caught in the drag net. Blame the judges who grant bail the dangerous ones. Blame the cops and prosecutors who don’t tell the judges who the dangerous ones are.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:08 am@10-
Rip Murdock (90b76a) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:09 amSo? What’s your point? Deploying an active duty combat unit against civilians is the same as integrating a high school? The National Guard was deployed against unarmed students at Kent State. That turned out well.
Not sure what else he (Trump) could do…..
Rip Murdock (90b76a) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:13 amHe can stay in his bunker and shut up
Tom Cotton should stick to polishing Trump’s brass.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:15 amWhoever, except in cases and under circumstances expressly authorized by the Constitution or Act of Congress, willfully uses any part of the Army or the Air Force as a posse comitatus or otherwise to execute the laws shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than two years, or both. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1385
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:18 amYesterday, the police chief of Bellevue did it right. After Belle Square was getting looted and cops were trying stop it, the chief came right into the thick of the protesters and dialogued.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:32 amThe mayor of Atlanta also struck the right chord.
Then you’d claim he was absentee and abandoned his post. Oh wait, that accusation was already made.
Heads I win. Tails you lose. That about covers it.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:33 amLooters and rioters should be jailed and charged accordingly.
Peaceful protesters should be treated with respect and not fined and threatened with ruin like Governor Murphy did to protesters a couple of weeks ago.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:35 amRip, the problem with Tom Cotton were these words.
“Whatever it takes”?
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:37 am“No quarter”? He’s an ex-military guy. Anyone who saw Rob Roy or served in the armed forces should know what “no quarter” means, which is basically shoot ’em dead, in an environment where there is already massive distrust of law enforcement and the use of excessive force. It’s about the stupidest thing I’ve heard a politician say these last few days this side of “when they start looting, we start shooting”.
#16: They were used to disperse mobs and to make utterly clear the attitude of the federal government.
From William Manchester’s “The Glory and the Dream”:
Wish I could quote more of it, but I highly recommend this cultural history of the mid-20th century to those that want to understand the feelings of those times.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:44 am‘Looking for Peace Among the Riots’
time.com/5842060/spacex-nasa-launch-watch
“In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream.” – ‘Alien’ 1979
DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:47 am16. For my part, I am thinking (NOT predicting) that this could turn into another Kent State. One for the history books, and not in a good way. I am sincerely hoping it doesn’t come to that, but it might.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:48 am@121
NJRob, that’s a false choice. There are options other than saying nothing and saying something harmful to the situation. Some of his political opponents will for sure attack him no matter what he says and does. But that doesn’t mean all criticism is only motivated by political ideology.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:49 amShooting looters on sight has been the rule for a long time. The idea is that you don’t have to shoot many. If you are clearly going to look the other way, you will have nothing BUT looters.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:49 amHeads I win. Tails you lose. That about covers it.
As long as the conclusion is “It’s Trump’s fault!” the lead-up doesn’t matter. As in “Blah blah blah blah, Trump’s fault!”
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:52 amYou know that. But do the majority of the readers of his tweets know that? The only thing is they probably don’t know what designating an organization as a terrorist organization means. Maybe to Trump, this declaration just sounds good.
The cliche trumps reality. I take it they are not judging this on a case by case basis or making any exceptions. It’s not clear that they are relying on the judges. (uncritically)
whembly (c30c83) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:53 am
Well that would mean Russia or international drug dealers.
They may actually be different groups that are only loosely linked. Anyway, here’s some background:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/articles/X56rQkDgd0qqB7R68t6t7C/seven-things-you-need-to-know-about-antifa
The name is being used by different groups, like the name Ku Klux Klan.
It seems like Attorney General William Barr isn’t actually going to do anything more than that.
If designated a terrorist group, anybody helping them could be guilty of a crime, even if what they did would not otherwise be a crime, and Antifa’s bank accounts maybe could be frozen. If it had any.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:52 amEven though I don’t much care for Trump, some of his detractors are (or ought to be) embarrassing.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:53 amSammy, it has been pointed out that Antifa is international.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:53 amYES
I’m less concerned with fines then with unnecessary uses of force. I’ve seen several videos of the police using pepper spray is a casual way. I’m sure they were under stress and I suspect that the targets had been rude/disrespectful. But that’s not a justification.
Check out this https://twitter.com/greg_doucette for several examples.
Time123 (c9382b) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:54 amNext week at the Santa Monica City Council meeting, two competing groups:
“Why didn’t the cops stop this looting?” and
“Why did the cops TRY to stop this looting?”
No bets taken as to which group wins. Those arrested for looting will be let go.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:56 amYou’re calling for summary execution in response to a systemic property crime, do you you also call for the summary execution of Police officers that improperly murder people in their custody? Or is that the point where you talk about the process, the rights of the accused and the challenging extenuating circumstances?
Time123 (c9382b) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:58 amThat’s the new attack Trump angle? He says Antifa are “Domestic Terrorists” but only foreingers can be “Terrorists”? Okey dokey. So, did any of these legal twitter geniuses contact AG Barr for the CORRECT label?
Of course not. Because Orange man is ALWAYS Bad, and the whole point of EVERY news story and comment is to show Trump in a bad light. So, assuming the CORRECT LABEL is “violent extremist group” I’m sure the DoJ can go after Antifa. Or is this a bad thing, according to the Anti-Trump Libertarians?
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:59 amTrump’s military bears as much resemblance to Eisenhower’s military as Trump’s voters bear to Eisenhower’s voters.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:59 amThis quibbling over ‘domestic terrorism’ reminds me of the endless quibbling over Trump’s claim that he was “wiretapped” in May 2017. Then all the Never trumpers played dumb and stated that TRump was lying because his phone didn’t have any wires. haha.
Now they’re pretending Terrorists can only be foreigners because there can only be ONE meaning of the word. Their meaning.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:01 amNo, NOT shooting looters on sight has been the rule for some time. Some Supreme Court case out of Kentucky or Tennessee or such similar place. They have to present a threat of death or great bodily harm to innocent people, or committing a violent felony and it’s necessary to shoot them to get them to stop committing it.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:05 amHere is AG Barr’s statement:
Federal law enforcement actions will be directed at apprehending and charging the violent radical agitators who have hijacked peaceful protest and are engaged in violations of federal law.
To identify criminal organizers and instigators, and to coordinate federal resources with our state and local partners, federal law enforcement is using our existing network of 56 regional FBI Joint Terrorism Task Forces (JTTF).
The violence instigated and carried out by Antifa and other similar groups in connection with the rioting is domestic terrorism and will be treated accordingly.”
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:06 amGuess the AG of the United States of America disagrees with some obscure leftist on Twitter. Wonder who the Never trumpers will believe.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:07 am24. The whole Little Rock school controversy in 1957 was ginned up in order to enable the corrupt Orval Faubus to win a third 2-year term. It had been traditional for a new Governor to get one free pass and then not run for re-election to a third term.
Orval Faubus was taking money to tolerate illegal Las Vegas style casinos in Hot Springs. Arkansas. The political machine there was run by one of the principle founders of organized crime in America, Owen Vincent (Owney the Killer) Madden (1891-1965), who had “retired” there in about 1935. Bill Clinton’s step uncle, Raymond Clinton, was an important member of the political machine that ran Hot Springs, Arkansas (meetings were held at his Buick dealership, and Raymond Clinton had slot machines scattered all over town. This was all 100% illegal.)
Once re-elected in 1958, Orval Faubus kept on being re-elected every two years until he was finally defeated by Winthrop Rockefeller on his second try in 1966. Bill Clinton (probably – his donors were both previously and later Clinton backers) had Orval Faubus brought back for a comeback attempt in 1984, so he could lose to him in the Democratic primary. Faubus probably didn’t understand what his role was in 1984.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:09 amWow, after going along with Every Civil Liberties restriction during the “Lockdown” – no matter how much the freedom of Religion, Assembly, and speech was effected, the ACLU is now SUPER concerned that Barr is calling Antifa “domestic terrorists”. Gosh, ’cause that label can be abused.
Looking forward to Goldberg, French, and Kristol siding with the ACLU. Because nothing says “Conservative” like Antifa.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:10 amHow many of the violent looters and rioters do you think were recently released by leftists politicians from jails due to the Wuhan Flu threat?
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:10 amWeird question…have recruits in any stage of basic training ever been called into use as riot forces in an adjacent polity?
urbanleftbehind (1b072e) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:12 amBTW, the sons and daughters of prominent Democrat politicians have all been arrested for acts of Domestic terrorism while having Antifa membership. Maybe that’s why everyone is so protective of them, even though they are organizing violence, looting and destruction.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:13 amYou’re calling for summary execution in response to a systemic property crime
Shooting a criminal in the act is not the same thing. And you know it.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:13 am#44 – Given that thousands of violent criminals were released by Democrat Governors during the lockdown, I don’t doubt that many of them are “protesting” for fun and profit.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:14 am36. rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:59 am
Only a non-U.S. based group can become an official “terrorist group”
It makes sense that Congress would put in that precaution and limitation (can one man declare a group illegal? For safety’s sake you’d limit that power to foreign groups) and there may also have been a First amendment issue (freedom of association)
Being designated as a “terrorist group” has certain legal consequences.
“violent extremist group” probably has no legal meaning beyond the descriptive.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:16 amRush Limbaugh states it well:
In Minneapolis, you can’t reopen your own store, but someone else can loot it.
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:17 am#49 Thanks. Do you have an official cite I can look up?
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:17 amHere’s something I just found:
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:19 amWeird question…have recruits in any stage of basic training ever been called into use as riot forces in an adjacent polity?
Probably not since U.S. Senators commanded troops on the Kansas/Missouri border, urbanleftbehind. See e.g. The Outlaw Josey Wales. The first Posse Comitatus Act (see my 19 above) was passed in 1878 I think.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:21 amHow is domestic terrorism defined?
The FBI defines domestic terrorism as acts “perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.”
The USA Patriot Act from 2001 defines domestic terrorism as a dangerous act occurring within U.S. territory that violates criminal laws in ways that are “intended to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination or kidnapping.” That definition is also in the U.S. Government Code, the 53 title compilation of federal legal statutes.
According to McCord, domestic terrorism was first defined in the federal code in 1992. Prior to that period, McCord is doubtful domestic terrorism was even a part the public consciousness or law enforcement radar. “I don’t think people back then were even using that verbiage. We didn’t even have internal terrorism at that time,” she said.
How does “terrorism” differ from “domestic terrorism”?
Acts of terrorism that “transcend national boundaries” are federal crimes. The U.S. Code of laws lists several violent crimes under the umbrella of terrorism that can be prosecuted if committed against persons within the U.S.
In a 2008 speech to the Anti-Defamation League, Jonathan Solomon, special agent in charge of the FBI’s Miami, Florida division, explained this difference:
“What makes domestic terrorism different is that domestic terrorists are based or operate solely in the U.S., and their acts target the U.S. government or U.S. citizens,” Solomon said. “They can be ‘right-wing’ or ‘left-wing’ extremists, such as white supremacists, anti-government militias, or anarchists. They can be ‘single-issue’ groups, such as animal rights or environmental rights extremists. And they can be ‘lone wolves’ with their own agendas. Think of Unabomber Ted Kaczynski.”
Under the Patriot Act, the federal government has multiple resources to combat international terrorism. It has the authority to conduct surveillance of suspected terrorists, and can mount undercover sting operations an
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:21 amIOW, all this nonsense about “There are no domestic terrorists” was just being used to attack Trump. AS USUAL!
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:22 amThere’s not some bearded left-wing Antifa nutjob in Germany or some other European state who is directing or collaborating with bearded left-wing Antifa nutjobs in America on how to conduct their operations. So, no, I’m buying that they’re “international” in that sense.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:24 amNo, NOT shooting looters on sight has been the rule for some time.
*sigh*
No wonder we have so many looters now. It’s like free stuff or something. It really is not a property crime, it’s insurrection. Which is a different thing entirely. I bet you that they aren’t even charged with a felony.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:25 amHere’s the definition directly from the US Code:
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States; and
(6) the term “military force” does not include any person that—
(A) has been designated as a—
(i) foreign terrorist organization by the Secretary of State under section 219 of the Immigration and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1189); or
(Added Pub. L. 102–572, title X, § 1003(a)(3), Oct. 29, 1992, 106 Stat. 4521; amended Pub. L. 107–56, title VIII, § 802(a), Oct. 26, 2001, 115 Stat. 376; Pub. L. 115–253, § 2(a), Oct. 3, 2018, 132 Stat. 3183.)
rcocean (2e1c02) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:27 amrcocean, please do not lie to us about what we see with our own eyes. There’s a big difference between labeling a crime domestic terrorism and labeling a domestic organization a terrorist organization.
But since you asked for a label for Antifa, how about “Fifth Avenue Orange Poofter Boy Needs Deflection To Improve Chance Of Reelection Organization”?
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:27 amThe media still calls these actions as “mostly peaceful.”
Sigh.
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:28 amSo, no, I’m buying that they’re “international” in that sense.
They ARE anarchists, so I’m guessing their organizing is ad hoc, at best. But their fundraising may be organized internationally.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:30 amAgain, nk, with the sure-fire slope of any argument to “It’s Trump’s fault.” The sun could go nova and it would be Trump’s fault somehow.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:32 amSome things ARE Trump’s fault. But when everything is Trump’s fault, nothing is.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:32 amEr, not buying.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:37 amThe media told us without a doubt that everything in the FusionGPS document was true and verified. That Trump was a foreign agent of Russia.
And yet, they won’t even investigate whether Antifa has any foreign ties. Nope. Just assumes they are totally a domestic organization and receive no direction, money, or influence from outside the U.S.
There has to be an Antifa Pee Tape out there somewhere…
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:37 amIt’s a way to go after their funding and makes sense. Find out who is pulling the strings behind their anarchy.
NJRob (4d595c) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:37 amAnd Xi smiles…
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:40 amocean, I can’t tell if you’re being wittingly or unwittingly obtuse. These are Trump’s words:
Emphasis mine. No one is saying that there are no domestic terrorists, except you with your stupid strawman argument. The problem is that Trump cannot classify Antifa as a “terrorist organization” because there is no way under law for him to do so. This doesn’t preclude that an untold number of Antifa are domestic terrorists, just like the Planned Parenthood shooter is a domestic terrorist, just like the El Paso shooter is a domestic terrorist, just like the Congressional baseball shooter is a domestic terrorist.
Paul Montagu (466a99) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:52 amI doubt that the public concern about a pandemic and a rash of riots arises exclusively from a desire to say something bad about Trump.
But some people do seem to be worried first and most that the current newsworthy events might hurt Trump.
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:55 amBut their fundraising may be organized internationally.
I would be skeptical of that. What they do does not necessarily need much money to carry out, and what expenses there are would probably be personal. Everyone buys his own blunt weapon and gets to the designated place of rioting as individuals. Organizing is done online. And probably the profits of looting are enough to cover that.
Since they’re domestic they don’t need international travel or fake passports. And they don’t seem to go in for IEDs or anything like that. They probably use fake IDs, however.
I would assume whatever funding they do is via cryptocurrency.
Kishnevi (96e42d) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:55 amAgain, nk, with the sure-fire slope of any argument to “It’s Trump’s fault.”
Everything Barr does he does for Trump. There’s songs about it.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:58 amWhat is that “old” song about a Bonnie and Clyde kind of couple with the chorus: “Do you love me? Say you do. Because everything I do, baby, I do for you.”
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:07 amDoesn’t seem like they have to work to hard to “show” Trump in a bad light. From what I see, he does all the heavy lifting himself. Maybe he should stop giving them so much to work with.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:12 amRCocean, As usual you’re very worked up because people are mocking and criticizing Donald Trump for saying something that makes him look clueless. Also as usual you’re off target in your anger.
There’s a difference between designating an organization ‘a terrorist organization’ and referring to an act as terrorism. I’ve linked wikipedia for you. To make your life even easier I’ve pasted the impact of officially declaring an organization “A Terrorist Organization below.
Next time, before you start ranting that everyone is just picking on the Clown in Chief for being wrong you should try to understand what they’re actually talking about.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:21 amDid Trump just realize that Antifa is a sack full of problems? They’ve been violent jack@$$ for years. Is the DOJ just now investigating them?
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:25 amPeace be with you, too, Patterico.
felipe (023cc9) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:34 amIs this Trump’s fault? No.
Is he helping? No.
Is he making it worse? Kinda yeah.
Conclusion? Maybe he should stop that.
(He can’t. He can’t help himself and he’s a coward and is scared of the mean people yelling at him in the distance so he says mean things back on twitter and goes to hide in his reinforced concrete bunker so that he feels safer.)
Nic (896fdf) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:34 amThey’ve been violent jack@$$ for years. Is the DOJ just now investigating them?
I think they’ve been investigating them all along, but they just figured out Flynn and Page weren’t Antifa.
beer ‘n pretzels (3a6a1d) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:37 amI didn’t think that was what you meant. I thought you meant that when the police arrive on the scene they should start shooting people in order to discourage looting.
How about you lay out exactly what you do mean?
Time123 (c9382b) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:44 am@78 It’s amazing that after three years of being president you don’t think Trump should have accomplished anything beyond tough tweets and appointing judges from the federalist society.
Time123 (c9382b) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:46 amIn order for something to be an organization, it has to be organized. Antifa isn’t an organization any more than rescuing shelter animals or growing pumpkins is an organization.
JRH (52aed3) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:52 amUrban centers and thousands of innocent people are now paying the price for the lies being told that there is systemic racism permeating all of American society.
People of all races have been victims of bad police. This excuse for this rioting distracts from the fact that in a state with a Dem governor, in a city with a Dem mayor and Dem city council, police misconduct has been swept under the rug for years.
Now Dems and the media (is there a difference?) are actually excusing huge outdoor gatherings just a couple weeks after declaring people protesting excessive lockdown policies (or just wishing to go to a beach or attend church) as irresponsible and a ‘death cult’.
Maybe if the Dems in Minneapolis had worked harder for police victims past, there wouldn’t be riots and looting in the name of George Floyd today.
And right on time ANTIFA and it’s band of destructive clowns are capitalizing on the smears and false memes and goading people into destroying their own communities in hopes of anarchy finally making enough of the masses believe revolution is the answer.
And yes I’m just as disappointed by Trump’s nonsensical and tepid response as anyone. BUT I’m also even more incensed that Barack Obama is not being blamed for the discord between the races he helped perpetuate for eight years.
And now it’s all being shifted as somehow the fault of Trump and white nationalists, completely ignoring the Democratic/Liberal Frankensteins who created this monster.
This could get really bad. If you think it already is you aren’t aware of what a media that is 90% on one side is capable of.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:56 amWe nevertrumps have to take this pearl of wisdom from the President to heart:
So you Haikus and narcisos at harkins and oceans better watch out. I will dominateyou.
Appalled (1a17de) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:58 amRemember, the most successful ‘anti-fascist’ of all time was Josef Stalin, and he killed four times as many of his own countrymen as he did Nazis.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 11:58 am“ I will dominateyou”
Whether Muslim, Communist or Anarchist, the same chirp.
I prefer freedom.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:01 pm_
And look out America. Trump has gone to the fire alarm and broken the glass…
Appalled (1a17de) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:01 pmHarkin,
Black people seem to think that they’re disproportionately impacted the police abuses that you cite, and that the system as it stands fails to consistently bring them justice.
You can blame it on the media or Obama and claim that black people are being duped. But that seems to be what they genuinely believe.
Time123 (c9382b) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:03 pm87
Harkin — FYI, I was quoting Trump. As I am here:
The way this guy talks, you’d think this was President Obama while launching Obamagate.
Appalled (1a17de) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:05 pmIn order for something to be an organization, it has to be organized. Antifa isn’t an organization any more than rescuing shelter animals or growing pumpkins is an organization.
You should tell us more about the investigation into Antifa you undertook and how you obtained evidence to support your conclusion.
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:05 pm@87: Black people…
If you’re not sure whether or not there’s racially disproportionate police abuses, I guess you ain’t black.
beer ‘n pretzels (db18ad) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:09 pmWere those the flames of the Holy Spirit descending on St. John’s church in DC? Pentecost was Sunday.
Hoi Polloi (7cefeb) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:18 pmSean Spicier
@sean_spicier
We can end this if we can somehow convince the democrat mayors & governors that the rioters were also spotted playing catch with their kids in the park
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harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:26 pm@nittibang
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Meanwhile the parks in my local city are still roped off. Can’t let kids play gotta convince them to riot too!!
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“Black people seem to think that they’re disproportionately impacted the police abuses that you cite, and that the system as it stands fails to consistently bring them justice.
You can blame it on the media or Obama and claim that black people are being duped. But that seems to be what they genuinely believe.”
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I have no doubt they believe it, they’ve been fed this tripe for decades. For some reason though while they embrace the smear of systemic racism, they also ignore the very real black crime rate:
“ The FBI released its official crime tally for 2016 today, and the data flies in the face of the rhetoric that professional athletes rehearsed in revived Black Lives Matter protests over the weekend. Nearly 900 additional blacks were killed in 2016 compared with 2015, bringing the black homicide-victim total to 7,881.
Those 7,881 “black bodies,” in the parlance of Ta-Nehisi Coates, are 1,305 more than the number of white victims (which in this case includes most Hispanics) for the same period, though blacks are only 13 percent of the nation’s population. The increase in black homicide deaths last year comes on top of a previous 900-victim increase between 2014 and 2015.
Who is killing these black victims? Not whites, and not the police, but other blacks. In 2016, the police fatally shot 233 blacks, the vast majority armed and dangerous, according to the Washington Post. The Post categorized only 16 black male victims of police shootings as “unarmed.” That classification masks assaults against officers and violent resistance to arrest. Contrary to the Black Lives Matter narrative, the police have much more to fear from black males than black males have to fear from the police.In 2015, a police officer was 18.5 times more likely to be killed by a black male than an unarmed black male was to be killed by a police officer.
Black males have made up 42 percent of all cop-killers over the last decade, though they are only 6 percent of the population. That 18.5 ratio undoubtedly worsened in 2016, in light of the 53 percent increase in gun murders of officers—committed vastly and disproportionately by black males. Among all homicide suspects whose race was known, white killers of blacks numbered only 243.”
https://www.city-journal.org/html/hard-data-hollow-protests-15458.html
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You won’t see any of this in the media but you could help pass it along if you truly believe facts are needed before you can even hope to solve a problem.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:39 pm_
If that didn’t sink in, when men like George Floyd are killed by police whether through bad training or malice, they should expect justice.
Since Minneapolis has systemic injustice towards police victims, instead of holding incompetent democratic politicians and police chiefs responsible they misdirect their anger and frustration towards their own communities and the innocent people the failed scholarship of BLM has told them is the real enemy.
This is by design and anybody ignoring, or worse, promoting the riots as justifiable are part of the problem. They are actually helping destroy the community they profess to care about.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:48 pm_
Harkin, those are legitimate facts. It’s strange that you think black people living in black neighborhoods don’t know it already. Part of the problem is that the choices are ineffective law enforcement, brutal and racist law enforcement, or both of the above.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:50 pmJust saw 94, They don’t expect justice because they often don’t get justice. I know you don’t want to admit it, but that’s what it is.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:52 pmIt’s irrational to riot over a couple dozen (if it’s that many) blacks wrongfully killed by police every year, while ignoring the hundredfold greater death toll inflicted by other blacks.
Unfortunately, rioters aren’t known for their rationality.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 12:59 pm“Since Minneapolis has systemic injustice towards police victims, instead of holding incompetent democratic politicians and police chiefs responsible they misdirect their anger and frustration towards their own communities and the innocent people the failed scholarship of BLM has told them is the real enemy.”
https://twitter.com/lynnellmick/status/1266489791018721280
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:01 pmI don’t think of Antifa as a domestic terrorist organization. They’re an amorphous group with no real leadership, and they don’t even hold meetings. They have organized some protests that became violent in the past, but I doubt they’re capable of directing these vandalism, arsons and looting sprees. As a group, they’re too small in number to exert that kind of influence. Besides, most of the vandals, arsonists and looters probably don’t even know or care about Antifa.
No, the criminals committing these acts are more like street gangs. They’re mostly young people, 18-30, taking advantage of a chaotic environment to steal what they want, using fire to destroy evidence and vandalism to disguise their motives.
This weekend was particularly brutal, and it appears to have been timed and coordinated. With the phase 1 reopening, scheduled for today, they must have known stores and businesses would have been restocked.
High end stores in Santa Monica, Soho, and elsewhere, but also retail stores like Target and Home Depot, small businesses and restaurants were left in ruin across the country. There’s nothing political about that. It’s just plain thievery.
The attacks that were overtly political, such as those against municipal buildings and historical monuments may have been organized by groups like Antifa, remnants of Occupy Wall Street, and the like, other amorphous anarchist groups. Attacks on police stations and cars, assaults on officers, are acts of rage, promulgated by Black Lives Matter.
All these combined represent a complete breakdown of the rule of law.
https://www.city-journal.org/terrifying-collapse-of-the-rule-of-law
The government at all levels needs to get real serious real quick, because this simply cannot continue.
Peaceful protesters should be required to get permits to march or assemble in certain areas. We can’t have thousands of people crowding the Brooklyn bridge, shutting down traffic. Strict curfews need to imposed nationwide and stringently enforced. The National Guard needs to secure government and municipal buildings, freeing the police to patrol the streets. A hard crackdown is necessary, and violators dealt with harshly.
The economic damage caused by these outbursts will be severe, making any hope of a recovery or a return to any sense of normalcy years away. This anarchy has go to stop. Now.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:15 pm98. If you take the less charitable view of these tweets, It’s also worth noting and bears repeating that Minnesota has been a solidly Democrat stronghold (in the form of DFL state politicians who go on to caucus with the federal Dems) since at least 1944 with the merger of the state Dems with the nigh-socialist Farmer-Labor party. I don’t think you can divorce the current chaos from the state’s overall political climate.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:20 pmLOL! This is the funniest thing I’ve ever read. Yeah, they’re not an organization, they don’t hold public meetings, have conventions or even do charity Drives! When I think of organizations, I think of the Shriners or the Girl Scouts. When does Antifa ever have a cookie drive? And sure “violence breaks out” whenever they show up in masks and carrying clubs but hey, its not like they’re violent or nuthin’
rcocean (846d30) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:21 pmDavethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:01 pm
The obvious response to that is, why did the Democrats in charge do nothing before this, if the police were that bad?
Kishnevi (e4a4c9) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:23 pm101. I think Antifa uses the Earth Liberation Front as their model for raising a ruckus. The whole point of the disorganization and dearth of leadership is to provide those that do get caught with plausible deniability.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:23 pm102. The Dems hold the people in contempt just as much or worse than the municipal police officers do. That’s the ugly elephant in the room.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:24 pmWhen I think of domestic terrorists I think of the 21st century KKK. Remember when they did..uh that thing? Or rioted and destroyed that city…y’know the one. Or desecrated that national monument or famous church, y’know that one in some city somewhere. And now the KKK is infiltrating Antifa, who just want to sell Girl Scout cookies, and have turned them to violence.
End result, they’ve given Antifa a bad name. That’s what the KKK is up to. Now that’s domestic terror.
rcocean (846d30) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:25 pm105. You forgot your sarcasm tag, RC.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:26 pmA couple of Federal cops were assassinated in Oakland a couple nights ago, during a “Protest”. Does any one know their names? Its hard to find. Unlike Mr. Floyd. Lots of people injured, lots of property destroyed, lots of people’s lives changed for the worse.
But to some that’s just Antifa raising a “ruckus”. Just some crazy kids, trying to change the world and speak truth to power. Good thing the Hollywood millionaires are paying their bail money and providing them support. That’s what SOME Think. Not me.
rcocean (846d30) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:32 pmYou do not understand the distinction even though I explained it in the post.
People can commit *acts* on domestic soil that are terrorist acts under the law.
You can’t label a domestic group a “terrorist organization.”
Those are two different concepts, rcocean.
Patterico (115b1f) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:35 pmAs George Floyd well knew.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52871936
I’ve seen a frame of that video (without sound) on TV but am not able to find this video.
It wasn’t violence by the police he was decrying. It was violence by people who were not the police.
He was an ex-drug addict (starting probably sometime during his college years which possibly put an end to his athletic career) with a criminal record for theft and drug possession and finally armed robbery (in 2007) and the BBC says he was sentenced to five years in prison.
It doesn’t say how much time he spent in jail but does indicate that some time after he got out, he found religion.
He moved to Minneapolis in 2018, with the help of that religious group, to make a fresh start, where he became a part time security guard as well as a dance club bouncer and a truck driver.
Only to fall off the wagon (alcohol and cigarettes) and, while drunk, try to pass a very poor quality counterfeit $20 bill (that he had received as a tip or as payment for something?) to pay for some cigarettes, and, a little after leaving the store, when the clerk followed him out, refuse to give back the cigarettes.
And he wound up in the hands of some very bad policemen, one of whom, because he was squirming, even though handcuffed, and maybe annoying him by complaining loudly about his arrest, (or was he threatening to file a complaint against him?) decided to take him out of the police car and render him unconscious, or maybe worse, even to kill him. In front of witnesses and cell phone and other cameras.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:37 pmIt’s understandable that non-lawyers don’t understand some legal distinctions.
But to be haughty about displaying that lack of understanding makes one look foolish.
Patterico (115b1f) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:38 pmLook, there is no way Antifa could have coordinated the level of carnage seen over the weekend. They simply don’t have the influence. Trump is casting them as the boogeyman to distract attention away from his utter lack of leadership and abject failure to unify the country in a time crises, three actually–the pandemic, social unrest, and economic destruction.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:42 pm102. Kishnevi (e4a4c9) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:23 pm
The police union.
https://www.motherjones.com/crime-justice/2020/05/minneapolis-police-union-president-kroll-george-floyd-racism
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:43 pmMuch of this doesn’t take Law School, it takes 30 seconds of Googling. Or just reading the whole post.
Of course, when a Trumplican twitter bot tells you the sun is cold and the sky is made of whiskey, why bother to question, they have told you the answer.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:43 pmI don’t think he was being sarcastic, I think he legitimately sympathizes with the POV of the KKK.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:53 pmPatterico, in RCoceran’s defense your post didn’t really explain what it meant to be officially designated as a terrorist organization and why doing that to a domestic group would violate peoples rights to free association.
If you were intending a broad audience that might be a significant miss. If you were anticipating a certain level of familiarity with the subject than not to much. FWIW I wasn’t sure what the difference was and had to look it up before I commented.
Time123 (b87ded) — 6/1/2020 @ 1:59 pmThis riot has gotten out of hand, it’s by far the worst in the history of the country. All the death, all the destruction. It’s just shameful.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:00 pm“In Space, No One Can Hear You Scream.” – ‘Alien’ 1979
‘This movie gives a whole, new meaning to “in your face” !’
— Colonel Haiku “Alien” review
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:08 pmThis.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:08 pm114… keep the generosity level on the down low… k?
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:11 pmBut it’s what Trump would do!
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:14 pmForgive others their sins as you would have them forgive yours.
Peace be with you.
So does this mean people who have been banned will again be able to comment again or have I confused international forgiveness with domestic forgiveness?
And also with you.
PTw (451820) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:14 pmThe Tulsa riot haopeed during a period of time that lasted from 1898 to 1921 when white supremacists , who had succeeded in imposing Jim Crow, worried that it could be reversed because it was unconstitutional, and decided that whole African American communities might have to be eliminated in order to preserve it. It stopped because of the 1920 Census.
Southern representatives were able to prevent a reapportionment (it helped that the number of seats had been frozen at 435 with the 1911 apportionment – till then the number of seats had been increased ever tn years so that no state would lose representatives) but the more moderate and business people knew that reapportionment could not e stopped forever, amd were afraid of where the violence could go.
While they put all of those pogroms into the memory hole, they did successfully undermine the KKK and other signs of Southern revivalism – among other things, destroying the attempt to sculpture a mountain in Georgia with the heads of Confederate military leaders, eventually diverting the architect into building Mount Rushmore in South Dakota. (The Geergia project was re-started and completed in the 1960s.)
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:17 pmNo justice No peace. Demographics have changed. The battle is joined.
asset (33313b) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:20 pmHomeland Security says the government does not designate domestic terrorist organizations but does identify domestic terrorist threats. The FBI investigates domestic terrorism, or criminal violent acts by groups with domestic influences. Both international and domestic terrorist acts are covered by 18 USC 2331 et seq.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:21 pmSo you Haikus and narcisos at harkins and oceans better watch out. I will dominateyou.
I opt out. 335 lbs, stiletto heels, fishnet stockings, an 8th grader’s mustache and a lisp doesn’t sound like much fun.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:22 pm114. Yeah, that thought had crossed my mind. I tried throwing in a smidgeon of irony with my accusation of sarcasm, but that doesn’t always come across really well in the written word.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:28 pmNow they are going to try a citywide curfew at 11 pm. Yesterday, protest or demonstrations were mostly peacefull during the day, then the criminal activity stated at night. (sunset is at about 8;20 pm)
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:29 pmI guess they arrested him for disorderly conduct?
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:29 pmI am not sure what designating a domestic organization as a terrorist group means or does, but the ACLU wrote some time ago that designating a crime as domestic terrorism opens the door to expanded investigatory powers including seizure of assets, educational records, taxpayer information, and this:
DRJ (15874d) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:29 pmRound them up and knock ‘me down…
https://twitter.com/AdamMilstein/status/1267237725209411584
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:30 pmAutocorrect!
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Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:31 pm“Round them up and knock ‘me down…
https://twitter.com/AdamMilstein/status/1267237725209411584”
I’ve got a bridge you might be interested in buying.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:34 pmhttps://www.foxnews.com/us/results-of-george-floyd-independent-autopsy-expected-today (results were released. Death caused by asphyxia from sustained pressure.)
George Floyd’s brother Terence has made some kind of appeal to looters and arsonists etc that none of what they’re doing is going to bring his brother back – and they should simply vote.
But if he thinks they are trying to help anybody but themselves and/or the cause of robbery, he’s naive.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:43 pmSounds quite cryptic. What would changing demographics have to do with the decision to engage or not engage in this “battle”? And what battle, exactly? What constitutes a “win” or “loss”?
Paul Montagu (c5b2c2) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:43 pmHe probably won’t sway many people who are taking advantage of a protest for their own purposes, though there’s a chance his words might prompt a bit of shame in a few.
The statement does serve the purpose of drawing distinctions for the wider public that’s watching it all.
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/1/2020 @ 2:57 pmThe reason why looters have historically been treated more harshly than normal burglars is that the losses that businesses incur are not insurable. As we will see, mom & pop merchants are usually wiped out. Sure corporations can self-insure, but that corner dress shop just lost everything. Destroying peoples lives and trashing their life’s work are NOT harmless property crimes and should be treated harshly. I really don’t understand people who think it’s just acting out.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:01 pm@123 That sounds an awful lot like you are advocating for a race war. Are you advocating for a race war?
Nic (896fdf) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:04 pmI watched a video where a black man who identified himself as being age 31 had an impassioned exchange with a somewhat older black man, basically imploring the older man to stay away from violence because it did nothing for the cause, etc.
Then he addressed himself to a teenager, and what struck me was how intently the teenager listened to him, nodding now and then. The teenager appeared to be thinking: “This guy may be really worked up, but he’s probably wiser than me, and he seems really serious about this, so I’d better listen.”
Some other young people might be getting the message that looting and mayhem are all part of the “justice” agenda. But if someone with a claim to their respect says otherwise, it might have an effect on some of them.
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:07 pmGovernor Abbott declared a state of disaster for Texas and called up the National Guard, after protests turned violent in Austin, Houston and Dallas, along with reports of sporadic vandalism and looting in all three.
So I went on a short whiskey and beer run, because I believe in the Morrison Creed–“I’m gonna get my kicks before the whole sh!thouse goes up in flames!” I’m driving along University on my way to the liquor store, and there was a man walking down the sidewalk, wearing camouflage fatigues with a large American flag on the shoulder and military boots, carrying an AR-15, like he was on patrol.
I told the guys at the store about him, and they said they had already called the police. Well, the police came, talked to the guy, then let him go. Maybe the gun wasn’t loaded, and he was just carrying it for show. Or perhaps he’s in the National Guard, I don’t know. But that’s not something you see down here very often. In fact, I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:14 pmKamala Harris
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If you’re able to, chip in now to the @MNFreedomFund to help post bail for those protesting on the ground in Minnesota.
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@redsteeze
Dems could be asking for funds to rebuild businesses destroyed. Instead, they are asking for funds to bail out the people who set the fires.
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You’re assuming they want the businesses to recover.
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harkin (8cfa8b) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:21 pm@TheRightWingM
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She’s not even linking to the Minnesota Bail Out Fund. Kamala is linking to Act Blue & that funds Democratic Candidates & whatever organizations & non-profits they choose.
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“I told the guys at the store about him, and they said they had already called the police. Well, the police came, talked to the guy, then let him go. Maybe the gun wasn’t loaded, and he was just carrying it for show. Or perhaps he’s in the National Guard, I don’t know. But that’s not something you see down here very often. In fact, I’ve never seen anything like it in my life.“
Just a few weeks ago people with guns peaceably assembled to protest and broke no laws, destroyed no property and harmed no people.
The Dems and the media called them terrorists.
harkin (8cfa8b) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:24 pm_
“ Some other young people might be getting the message that looting and mayhem are all part of the “justice” agenda. But if someone with a claim to their respect says otherwise, it might have an effect on some of them.”
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One of the main reasons for the pathologies in the community is a lack of older males to set boundaries on behavior.
These are known as ‘fathers’.
harkin (8cfa8b) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:26 pm_
The way to find peace among these divisons is to ostentatiously ask the question: “Does the urban blue voter deserve responsibility for everything their Democrat candidates do?”
The answer is yes. I feel bad for out-of-staters and passers-by caught up in these riots. I feel little to nothing for those urban provincial hicks who chose to vote in their big-city and big business party machines in perpetuity, hoping that their hordes of cheap labor enforcers would eat them last. It’s like feeling bad for the Saudis when their various terrorists start fouling their own nests.
We may maintain diplomatic relations, but ultimately, riots in major cities are disturbances to be contained, not emergencies requiring expensive NATION-BUILDING measures. Ever since 1968, the left has been running the ‘riot’ playbook in their own cities hoping for an overreaction as surely as al-Sadr. No need to keep sinking millions of middle class tax dollars into rebuilding places they’ll willingly let others burn down for the insurance money again.
Meth&Fentinhim (7bfc00) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:35 pm“I will deploy the United States military to swiftly solve the problem…” – President Donald J. Trump 6/1/20
Hey! Hey! Trump, Donald J.: how many kids have you killed today?!?!
DCSCA (797bc0) — 6/1/2020 @ 3:50 pmHey! Hey! Trump, Donald J.: how many kids have you killed today?!?!
Hey! Hey! Trump, Donald J.: how many kids have you killed today?!?!
Stay calm, everyone. Dear Leader posed in front of a church, holding a Bible aloft and looking Very Serious. That’s gotta mean he’s doing the Lord’s work.
Radegunda (89f220) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:02 pmShould maybe you talk to the pastor at the church? Or is just walking by for a photo op all he wanted?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:07 pm“Just a few weeks ago people with guns peaceably assembled to protest and broke no laws, destroyed no property and harmed no people.”
The first day of the protests were also peaceful, until the police fired tear gas and flashbangs. I wonder what the difference was.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:09 pmTalked today to an African American man that lived in the Twin Cities not long ago. He spoke of one day when he got lost driving to a business in a northern suburb and was pulled over by the police. After checking into his story, the officer told him he could go, but not to come back to that neighborhood because “we don’t want your kind here”.
I would guess that this isn’t as uncommon an occurrence as we think. Similar things happen to many minorities at least once. But when it is done by a cop, they feel totally helpless. This man wanted to complain to the officer’s boss but worried things would only get worse for him.
As for the radicals who are itching for chaos… they would love for some Governor, Mayor or the President to overreact. Any bets on who might do that?
noel (4d3313) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:10 pmDavethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:09 pm
Did they have guns like the other people?
felipe (023cc9) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:12 pmApparently Barr had the police clear Lafayette Park of peaceful protestors with tear gas, so the Great Leader and his Bible could pass through it on the way to their photo-op:
D.C. Police Use Tear Gas To Clear Protesters From Lafayette Park Moments Before Trump Speech
George Will is right: with Trump, the worst can always get worse:
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:15 pm“Those who think our unhinged president’s recent mania about a murder two decades ago that never happened represents his moral nadir have missed the lesson of his life…” George Will
That is right on, Dave. I know I will be lowering my expectations. Again.
noel (4d3313) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:30 pmTrump walked over there for 1 minute and 53 seconds, and looked like an idiot. Spouted some nonsense, then left.
Loser.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:30 pmWell, in my defense the post made only a passing reference to it and was not designed to make the case. But, also in my defense, somehow I don’t think any level of proof, detail, argument, citations, or evidence would ever make rcocean say: gee, now that I have been presented with the arguments, I see Donald Trump’s tweet was nonsense!
Do you? Really?
Convincing people who are determined never to be convinced is a pastime I value just below that of repeatedly banging my head against a brick wall, and I decline to accept any responsibility for not doing it more thoroughly.
Patterico (115b1f) — 6/1/2020 @ 5:42 pmCommon sense and peace amongst the ignorance and mayhem:
“ “[S]ometimes I get angry, I want to bust some heads, too,” Terrence Floyd told ABC News. “I wanna just go crazy. But I’m here. My brother wasn’t about that. My brother was about peace. You’ll hear a lot of people say he was a gentle giant.” …
“Don’t tear up your town, all of this is not necessary because if his own family and blood is not doing it, then why are you?” said Terrence Floyd. “If his own family and blood are trying to deal with it and be positive about it, and go another route to seek justice, then why are you out here tearing up your community? Because when you’re finished and turn around and want to go buy something, you done tore it up. So now you messed up your own living arrangements.So just relax. Justice will be served. ”
Floyd’s brother demands end to violence: “If his own family and blood is not doing it, then why are you?”
https://hotair.com/archives/ed-morrissey/2020/06/01/floyd-brother-calls-peace-family-blood-not/
harkin (9c4571) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:01 pm_
More on the White House’s terror attack against peaceful Lafayette Park demonstrators:
Turning the military on Americans for the sake of a photo op.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:02 pmExcuse me while I throw up.
FFS.
Dana (0feb77) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:16 pmThe Episcopal Diocese of DC was just on Anderson Cooper and she said that Trump profaned that Episcopal church by clearing out peaceful protesters with tear gas and rubber bullets, and then standing in front of the church, holding up the Holy Bible (that Trump does not read, neither opening it nor reading it) for a photo op.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:17 pmIt’s something an anti-Christ would do, not a Christian.
Earlier today, Trump said that governors were being “weak” because they wouldn’t “dominate” the situation. Well, today Trump showed that he is the weak man and the coward. Peter Nicholas is right. Trump is afraid of protests, which means that wherever Trump is, the masses should be right outside and peacefully protest against Trump’s “leadership” and see if he brings out the “vicious dogs” and “ominous weapons”.
It’s a photo-op for the “law and order” president. I knew he would milk this for everything possible to rally his base, and get them excited for the election because he can’t do it in person at a rally. I wonder if Mr. Bible is aware of these words: Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows, this he will also reap. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction…
Dana (0feb77) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:20 pmI look at what is going on in DC and wonder: suppose, back September 2009, as Obamacare was being voted on and the Tea Party march on DC was in progress, that the crowd of several hundred thousand had decided to attack the White House or the Capitol using firebombs and whathaveyou.
The government would have mowed them down with machine guns and we’d be hearing to this day how they had no choice.
Those on the right should remember what the DC authorities are allowing to happen, if not encouraging, at the White House. There3 should be water cannon, pepper spray, tear gas and batons. I don’t care what they are pretending to protest, this just cannot be.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:37 pmWell, I can see all the usual suspects are dancing like jackals as Trump comes under attack.
This isn’t patriotism, but the opposite.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:45 pmTell me, Kevin, what is patriotic about a guy who has his quasi-military personnel clear out an area of peaceful protesters with tear gas and rubber bullets so that he could stand in front of a church and hold up a Bible for a photo op.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:50 pmYou’re right, what Trump did isn’t about patriotism, just the opposite.
That’s nice. It’s not a thing that happened. You made it up.
Today happened in reality world, you watched it. You had to make up a thing that didn’t happen to somehow justify a thing that did.
Suppose tiny alien space monkey’s came down and invaded Trump’s brain, controlling him from within to ensure the emancipation of all monkey’s on earth. Just as plausible.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:52 pm“Round them up and knock ‘me down…
https://twitter.com/AdamMilstein/status/1267237725209411584”
Hey Haiku:
https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1267626627967725570
Looks like the big brains at RedState were fooled as well, is that where you found it?
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:53 pmAlternative hidtory much, Kevin?
In 2014 Obama’s administration held back from using force on Cliven Bundy because they knew the optics ere bad. And his group was acknowledged as a fringe group.
Your speculative Tea Party riot would get roughly the same treatment as those protesters today.
Kishnevi (01788b) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:54 pmPatriot!
–Donald J. Trump, 6/1/2020
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:58 pmI think it is helpful to explain why a domestic (terrorist) organization is treated different than an international (terrorist) organization under US law, and why law enforcement can target domestic crimes but is limited in targeting domestic organizations. The distinction may not matter to everyone but it will matter to some, and it is a protection for us all.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/1/2020 @ 6:58 pmNot a Christian or a patriot.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:05 pmWow, I hadn’t heard about this photo-op. Did Trump even go inside? Did he view the burned children’s nursery? Did he attend service? I know he didn’t take confession. But did he at least volunteer to pay for the repairs and renovation?
From what I’m reading, no. This isn’t his, the president’s, church. He’s a follower of prosperity gospel, and has his own quack spiritual adviser. He might have attended one sermon at St. John’s, just for show.
But that’s not Christianity, standing in front of a burned church, holding an unread Bible. That’s blasphemy.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:18 pmTexas has had open carry of longarms for a long time. There were Black Panthers with AK-47s picketing prisons to protest executions decades ago.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:37 pm“Did they have guns like the other people?”
Oddly enough, they did not. Unfortunately, neither do these people:
https://twitter.com/greg_doucette/status/1267645435705012224
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:41 pm“There were Black Panthers with AK-47s picketing prisons to protest executions decades ago.”
Also in California. It was enough to make Ronald Reagan and the NRA push for gun control.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:46 pmAn employee of St. John’s Episcopal (didn’t catch the name) said that the last time Trump attended service there was St. Paddy’s Day, 2019.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:47 pmTell me, Kevin, what is patriotic about a guy who has his quasi-military personnel clear out an area of peaceful protesters with tear gas and rubber bullets so that he could stand in front of a church and hold up a Bible for a photo op.
Well, you’ve stacked the deck pretty deep there. Were you there? Did you see it?
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:54 pmAlso in California. It was enough to make Ronald Reagan and the NRA push for gun control.
The Panthers entered the CA state Capitol with loaded rifles and shotguns — legal at the time. But not legal a few days later. I’m not sure I’d call a ban on parading with loaded weapons “gun control”, I don’t think the NRA was involved, and I’m pretty sure there were no dissenting votes.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:56 pmIn 2014 Obama’s administration held back from using force on Cliven Bundy because they knew the optics ere bad.
After shooting only one of them.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:58 pm172, that one tidbit should make Rep. Peter King real real mad.
urbanleftbehind (f1f6b4) — 6/1/2020 @ 7:58 pmSo Michigan should restrict the rights of citizens in their state house too?
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:00 pm“I’m not sure I’d call a ban on parading with loaded weapons “gun control””
I want to print out this post and hang it on my wall.
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:01 pmAssume for a minute that the reporting is accurate, Kevin. Where’s the patriotism or Christianity by Trump in any of this? BTW, there will be a lot more reporting on it tomorrow, little of it to the good for Trump, as it should be.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:02 pmAfter shooting only one of them.
That was in Oregon, when even the locals were against Bundy and the optics was against him. I was thinking of the earlier confrontation in Texas. I don’t remember any shooting there.
Kishnevi (01788b) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:09 pm” I was thinking of the earlier confrontation in Texas. I don’t remember any shooting there.”
This one: https://i.imgur.com/9jdeAC5.jpg
Davethulhu (55869f) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:12 pmSo if you’re talking about the Bundy Ranch standoff, zero people were shot.
If you’re talking about the Malheur National Forest occupation, which was mostly his son Ammon, then the shooting took place when an idiot, I mean LaVoy Finicum, charged a police road block and got out of the car with his gun. After saying that he wouldn’t be taken alive, he was later proved correct.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:13 pmYou mean the one where they murdered a member of his family?
NJRob (35827d) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:27 pmNot a Christian or patriot, Part II:
To me, it’s offending to me as a Christ follower that a non-Christian would violently clear out a crowd and use a church and Holy Bible as political props for photo op. There’s no excuse.
Paul Montagu (b03059) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:43 pmYou’re making things up again. Please identify the Bundy family member killed.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:49 pmAre we sure it was a Bible? I couldn’t see it well enough.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:54 pmYou may be thinking of Ruby Ridge, NJRob.
DRJ (15874d) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:56 pmNote: Taking Trump’s word for anything is foolish. But he claimed it was “a” Bible.
Dave (1bb933) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:59 pmmr. president donald trump, whose jawbone figures prominently in an Old Testament story, is showing the same competent leadership with the riots that he showed with the coronavirus
except that now more people are paying attention
10% more at least
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:30 pm@188 I wonder whose bible they borrowed. 😛
Nic (896fdf) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:40 pmWhy, Nic, maybe it was Trump’s own Bible!
Dana (0feb77) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:43 pm@191 but the reported asked him if it was his Bible and instead of saying yes, he said it was A Bible. So he musta borrowed someone’s.
Nic (896fdf) — 6/1/2020 @ 9:55 pmPaula White’s? There was also a Bible study group in the White House before her, and it might still be there. And whose Bible was Melania holding when she swore him in?
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:05 pmOk, ok, Roberts swore him in, but Melania was holding the Bible he had his tiny hand on.
nk (1d9030) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:06 pmYeah, it looked like a baby picking up an Encyclopedia Britannica, and that was a pocket Bible. What I’m saying is he has a tiny… Weenie. You thought I was going somewhere else with that, didn’t you.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (305827) — 6/1/2020 @ 10:23 pmOh the optics are far worse than that, Paul Montagu. I finally saw the news report, several actually, and it was truly stunning.
First, in his speech, Trump says, “I am the president of law and order, and an ally to all peaceful protesters.” Then he walked out of the Rose Garden.
In Lafayette Park, there were protestors. It was about ten to twenty minutes before 7:00 PM, when the curfew began. And they were protesting peacefully, unlike the mob the night before, which stayed late into the night, lit fires and torched the church nursery. Maybe it was a different crowd on this night, but these protestors were behaving peacefully, not storming the fences, starting fires or causing damage.
As they were approached by a fully armed paramilitary squad of federal police, with helmets, shields, batons, and rifles, tactical gear for a riot. They raised their hands, saying “Don’t shoot! Don’t shoot!”
They were shot. Not just with rubber bullets, the federal police also used flash bangs, smoke grenades, and tear gas, as they pushed the protestors back with their shields and batons. The crowd quickly dispersed. Trump proudly strode across the street to St. John’s, probably thinking “That’s what I’m talking about.”
As he stood before the boarded up, desecrated church and raised “a” Bible and posed for pictures. Did anyone else besides me notice he held the Bible upside down and backwards? He said nothing, offered no prayer, just pointed his finger to various photographers as cameras clicked, because he wanted to get the best angle. He probably wants to blow up the photo to make a campaign poster, maybe a larger-than-life size cardboard cutout. Then he left, went back to the White House.
Worst. Photo-Op. EVER!
I also saw the interview with Bishop Budde. She was outraged, clearly upset. But the best interview I saw was with Chris Cuomo and his family priest, Father Beck, who made the most salient point. “Jesus was a peaceful protester.”
The hypocrisy here is rank, the malignant narcissism evident, and the cruel authoritarianism on full display. Real Christians, people of faith, treat their Bibles with respect. Trump uses “a” Bible as a prop, and he doesn’t even know how to hold it respectfully.
By the way, his poll numbers are down double digits among Evangelicals, Protestants and Catholics.
Even worse from an optics standpoint, peaceful “I Can’t Breathe” protests are being held in multiple countries around the globe. Now, these are anti-racism protests, but they are not surrounded by violence, mayhem, vandalism, arson, looting, wanton destruction, as the ones here are. The contrast is stark. These protestors are not destroying their communities and ruining their economies. That says a lot.
More to the point, CNN broadcasts worldwide. So when these peaceful protestors and other people in other countries see the President of the United States say, “I am an ally of all peaceful protestors,” walk out of the Rose Garden and have an armed paramilitary force shoot, throw flash bangs and smoke grenades, use tear gas on peaceful protestors, just because Trump wants a picture, none of them are going to respect or trust him.
Even more to the point, most of all these other people are deeply religious and faithful. To see the President of the United States stand in front of a burned out, boarded up historical church and not even know how to hold a Bible is disgraceful.
They proper way to hold a Bible is with the back cover on your left hand and with your right hand on the front cover. Then say a prayer, perhaps read from Scripture. The whole purpose is promote the teachings of Christ our Lord–heal the sick, comfort the suffering, help the poor, raise up the children, love one another.
Trump is incapable of that. He’s a follower of prosperity gospel and his fraudulent advisor, whose name I will not speak. I doubt he’s ever read the Bible or believes in the Sacraments (especially marriage). He’s never given confession, asked for forgiveness, performed penance, or taken communion in his life.
All he’s capable of doing is lying in a speech, ordering storm troopers to forcibly remove peaceful protestors, so he can hold “a” Bible upside down and backwards for the worst photo op ever, in front of a desecrated church.
Not a Christian. Not a Patriot III. Now he’s threatening to unleash the full force of the US military on peaceful protestors. Not only is he blasphemous, he’s dangerous. Dangerously deranged.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRE9vMBBe10
Tin soldiers and Nixon’s coming
We’re finally on our own
This summer I hear the drumming
Four dead in Ohio
Got to get down to it
Soldiers are gunning us down
Should have been gone long ago
What if you knew her
And found her dead on the ground
How could you run when you know?
Unless you lived through the late 60s and 70s, you will never get it. America has serious systemic and structural problems. The same ones we had decades earlier. Unless you are willing and able to address those problems, and offer some reasonable solutions, then they’re just going to repeat themselves. That was then, this is now. Now it what is important, because this is now.
Vote.
Gawain's Ghost (b25cd1) — 6/2/2020 @ 4:47 amNever get between Trump and a camera. Remember that Montenegro leader that our President pushed aside to get to the front of the pack for a photo. If he had to tear gas a crowd of peaceful protesters and plug them with rubber bullets to do it again, of course he would.
And then there’s Trump’s Bible prop. Are his supporters really that gullible?
noel (4d3313) — 6/2/2020 @ 4:53 am197. Yes. Yes they are.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/2/2020 @ 5:19 amI don’t think there’s anything you could ever write that would change RCocean’s mind. He seems to evaluate current events entirely around how much respect the discussion of a given event shows his tribe. That’s not a POV that alters based on facts.
My point was that while this difference might be clear to you it will not be clear to people who lack your specific education and background. If it’s an aside or if those people aren’t who you’re writing for that’s fine. But if you wanted less legally educated readers to get that part of what you’re saying additional information was needed. I wasn’t trying to say you needed to stress that point or write for those people.
I think you presented a weaker defense of yourself by the way. I’ve read you for years and when I didn’t get your point i assumed I was missing something and not that you were wrong or biased. It didn’t take long to figure out what you were saying. I think a stronger defense would be to expect long time readers to give you a small benefit of the doubt and not jump to the conclusion you’re presenting biased, incomplete or wrong information. Especially on a point as straightforward as the difference between calling something a terrorist organization in rhetoric and officially designating it one.
Time123 (52fb0e) — 6/2/2020 @ 5:44 amReuters
@Reuters
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Four St Louis police officers were hit by gunfire during protests, hours after President Donald Trump vowed to use the military to halt the spreading clashes https://reut.rs/3dp93VD Follow our live updates here https://reut.rs/2AvHOdH
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Just in case you weren’t sure who the media is blaming for all this.
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 5:45 am_
After the anti-stay at home protests guns may be banned from the Michigan state capitol.
not everyone is Ok with it.
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Time123 (53ef45) — 6/2/2020 @ 5:51 am197. noel (4d3313) — 6/2/2020 @ 4:53 am
Would they know the back story behind that picture?
But I doubt that they are very, very impressed.
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:44 amABC News
@ABC
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Joe Biden: “We can’t leave this moment thinking that we can once again turn away.”
“The moment has come for our nation to deal with systemic racism; to deal with the growing economic inequity that exists in our nation; to deal with the denial of the promise of this nation.”
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Bill Kristol
@BillKristol
It’s not the case–I wish it were–that today Joe Biden became president. But today Joe Biden did his part. He rose to the occasion. Now we have to do our part. It’s up to all of us to save the country from a Trump second term, and to elect Joe Biden president.
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Doug Powers
@ThePowersThatBe
If only Biden could have been a senator for 40 years and VP for 8 years he could have done something about these systemic problems. #OhWait
harkin (9c4571) — 6/2/2020 @ 7:57 am__
We have some people who have infiltrated the meeting
There are a ton of questions hidden here.
Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/2/2020 @ 8:36 amWhen do we start applying the Charlottesville rules and stop claiming that fine people are showing up for these riots?
frosty (f27e97) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:32 am205. I don’t think “we” ever made that claim, Frosty. 😉 But on a more serious note, don’t hold your breath waiting for the MsM to retract that claim.
Gryph (08c844) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:34 am“After shooting only one of them.”
– Kevin M
I see you’re against shooting the white lawbreakers, at least. You probably have some principled distinction between breaking into a wildlife refuge and breaking into a Target, right?
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:05 am“This isn’t patriotism, but the opposite.”
– Kevin M
I’m done with “patriotism.” You are demonstrating clearly that “patriotism” is a blanket for people to pull over their eyes, so they don’t have to see the violence being inflicted in their names.
Leviticus (efada1) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:07 am205. frosty (f27e97) — 6/2/2020 @ 9:32 am
When they impose a curfew, (if targeted) so that the only people there are people who came to steal (or divert the police to facilitate stealing.)
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/2/2020 @ 10:37 amRich Galen at mullings.com tells a story:
https://www.mullings.com/06-01-20.htm
He easily (or maybe not so easily) could have wound up as one of the National Guardsmen at Kent State.
Read it for the back story. As we approach the meat:
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/2/2020 @ 12:30 pmI’m done with “patriotism.”
Gone in 60 Seconds!
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 6/2/2020 @ 12:54 pm2. Kevin M (ab1c11) — 6/1/2020 @ 8:44 am
Maybe that’s where a warehouse with stolen goods is.
https://www.loopnet.com/california/culver-city_warehouses-for-lease
Sammy Finkelman (fd3539) — 6/2/2020 @ 6:58 pm