Federal Gun Charges in connection with Dayton Shooting
[Headline from DRJ]
Friend of gunman in Ohio mass shooting to face federal gun charges: prosecutors:
(Reuters) – A friend of the Ohio man who killed nine people, including his own sister, in Dayton this month will be charged on Monday with lying on a form related to guns, federal prosecutors said on Monday.
There aren’t many details yet but charges will be released at 2:00 PM (probably CST so an hour from now).
— DRJ
Hopefully, they will prosecute him to the full extent of the law.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:11 amStraw purchase, eh? Adios, amigo!
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:13 amEthan Colley (sp)? Purchased drum type magazine and body armor that was used
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:14 amAccused of lying about being a substance abuser.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:15 amOn the form
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:15 amThere’s a federal form for drum magazines and body armor? Nobody tells me anything.
All I knew about was the federal form for a firearm manufactured after 1898 and designed to fire fixed ammunition, or if manufactured before 1898 fires fixed ammunition which is currently commercially available.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:26 amWhat?!!? It cannot BE! There was an existing law that prevented this crime? And it still happened?!1!
There are not enough sarc tags.
Kevin M (21ca15) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:35 amWay more details need to come out, because from what the local news says, the kids in trouble for lying on the FFL about drug use, but none of that actually are the parts for the AR pistol that Betts used, the magazine, body armor, and AR upper, none of which requires any federal form. So he’s getting in trouble so they can charge someone with something, even though everything done by Betts was legal, right up until he started shooting people.
An AR upper is not a registered part, you can order it in the mail. The lower is the registered firearm. So you don’t need to fill out any form for an upper. Maybe Betts lied on his 4473 for the lower, but it’s going to be hard to charge him at this point.
A magazine is available for cash, online purchase, and isn’t regulated in Ohio, or the US, in any way. whether it’s 5 rounds or 500.
Same with body armor.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 8/12/2019 @ 11:48 amHe was charged because they were doing an all out investigation, even though this is (mostly) irrelevant. They run across something, they do it.
I suppose that would be agood reason for anyone talking to the FBI to take the 5th amendment even in a case like this. Did they klearn this because he told them?
Now if the Dayton killer had lived, they’;s use him as a witness.
Incidentally, Senator Schumer wants to outlaw the prurchase of body armor.. In this case the person who bought it actually inteded to use it to facilitate murder, but it seems like it had no practical effect.
Sammy Finkelman (102c75) — 8/12/2019 @ 1:59 pmI just heard a report that Betts did use the stuff in his 8/4 attack that his buddy had purchased.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:18 pmSince everything else this guy had was cheap, I’m going to assume he had level IIA armor, which is only pistol rated, and of course, not helpful if you hit him in the pelvic girdle or head with anything above a pellet gun. A rifle cartridge, the police were also firing 5.56, just like him, and that will go straight through IIA at ranges out to 300 meters or so.
As far as I know, they haven’t said how many rounds he was hit with, but I’d bet it was around 10–15% of the 65 or so rounds by the police, of which every rifle round would penetrate, plus any pistol rounds not impacting the armor, plus lots of shots from the police were lateral to the body armor, so most shots in the side would penetrate, regardless of armor.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:24 pmHe did, but none of that was illegal, or even needed a background check for. You can buy all of them online with no more regulations than a book.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:34 pmYou had said it was not used, but they are saying it was. The friend lied on the form when answering questions about drug use, whether the purchased items were legal or not.
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:39 pmCNN has pretty clear footage of the cops taking him down:
https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/12/us/dayton-body-armor-connor-betts-charges/index.html
The relevant part starts at 00:25, as Betts runs past the camera, turns to enter the entrance of the bar and collapses to the pavement just outside as he starts taking rounds.
Then, in a clip from a different camera, you can see three cops (one of whom is visible in the periphery of the first shot) shooting at him.
He seems to have ignored the cops running straight at him with guns drawn, and turned his side/back to them in his rush to get to the entrance of the bar. That was the last bad decision he made.
There’s no evidence in this footage that his body armor did him any good at all, because he goes down very fast.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:40 pmNo, he lied on a 4473 that he didn’t take illegal drugs when he purchased a gun for himself. That is 100% unrelated to anything to do with Betts. Nothing to do with Betts was illegal in any way, other than Betts also lying on his 4473 when he bought his lower.
Colonel Klink (Ret) (6e7a1c) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:44 pmThe clip definitely shows what others said at the time – that the timely and effective intervention of police prevented a much bigger massacre, because he was less than one second from reaching the entrance of the bar when they waxed him.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/12/2019 @ 3:49 pmAccording to CBS, (he told the FBI?) that both he and Betts were smoking marijuana and taking LSD several times a week in 2014 and 2015, when Bets bought some weaponry or whatever. He lept it in his home until 6 to 8 weeks agi so Bettts could hide it from his mother. (was Betts then living on his own> Not sure, he as his sister and her companion or date arrived at the shooting site in his father’s car)
This story is actually from CNN, although used by a CBS affiliate I suppose:
https://www.cbs58.com/news/friend-who-provided-dayton-shooter-with-100-round-magazine-and-body-armor-faces-federal-charges
Sammy Finkelman (324ec1) — 8/12/2019 @ 4:25 pmKlink… gotcha, understood…
Colonel Haiku (2601c0) — 8/12/2019 @ 4:31 pmIt also apparently makes him too stupid to talk to a lawyer before confessing to multiple felonies…
Dave (1bb933) — 8/12/2019 @ 9:11 pmHe has already earned his pardon by being black and helping keep the Dayton shooting out of the white supremacist narrative.
nk (dbc370) — 8/12/2019 @ 9:16 pmHe’s the hero America deserves, but not the one it needs right now.
Dave (1bb933) — 8/12/2019 @ 9:25 pm